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See it work all right, Okay, before my fucking shit goes up.

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My light's been sick and what's up
everybody? And welcome Episode one hundred and

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eighty one of Let me get that
potograph our Postment Collectible special Scott, What

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is going on? Man living a
life? Man living the life? Yeah,

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I know. We're rolling a little
bit late this week due to some

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scheduling issues and some late trips getting
back and some storms and dog issues and

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kid issues. And my plane got
delayed for about seven and a half eight

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hours. And when I finally got
out of Vegas, we go to get

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on the plane, and they were
asking people, you know, if they

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wanted to be on standby, if
they would change flights. I had changed

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flight vouchers and everything, and I
thought the plane was packed. We get

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on the plane. There's about six
of us on a thirty five row plane

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and the entire thing, so I
think they were just trying to get us

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all to change tickets. They didn't
have to make the flight period, That's

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probably That's probably what it is,
which is surprising because usually they need the

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plane back wherever going for the morning. I was on a flight pre nine

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to eleven once coming from Fort Myers
to Chicago. I was traveling with a

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guy and it was literally just the
two of us and three flight attendants on

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the flight. And that's the reason. The only reason they made it was

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they took you know, they took
the flight was because they needed the plane

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back in Chicago the next morning.
And we were throwing a football around in

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the aisles and you know, you
know, flight attendantion like here, you

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know, just whatever whatever you want
from the bar, you know, the

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bar Khart. And it was had
this not been a red eye arriving around

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three am, there probably would have
been some football playing. There was just

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I think six people sleeping at that
point. Yeah, it sounds about right.

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I would have been hitting up the
bar. I don't yeah, yeah,

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I may or may not have during
my seven hour delay in the Las

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Vegas Airport, heavy on the may
chance. But and I that's the most

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dangerous airport in the world to get
delayed in. It is you got the

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slot machines there. I mean,
you can get in a lot of trouble

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in it are every concourse is a
fricking mall. Like it's a mall too,

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Like you got you could go shopping
at lids, you could go like

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you spent play slot machines. You
can do whatever the hell you wanted in't

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that airport? Yeah, it's it's
absolutely insane that you know that is like

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I dread getting delayed there just because
I wind up coming home even broker than

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I was when I left. Right. Yeah, So but that's this week.

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This week, guys, is going
to be a shorter episode than when

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we got a couple of things we're
gonna cover today, but mostly we're gonna

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do a mint recap, come over, go over some of the big things

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that went on there, and some
big news that's about to drop. We're

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kind of kind of semi break it
to you. We kind of broke it

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on Hobby News Daily, the new
website there I'm writing for a couple of

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days ago, but we're really gonna
dive into it a little bit more today.

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Then, we have an awesome update
regarding our interview with John Scanlin from

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a few weeks ago. I got
a phone call from him today and a

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really cool phone call that he got
after our interview, and I was I

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was pleasantly surprised when you send me
that text earlier today about it with the

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details about that, but we will
get into that at the end of the

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show tonight. Um, and it
is going to be a quickie compared to

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normal, yes, or or so
we or so we think right now we

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dude, we can we can do
an entire like three week segment on you

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know what happened at the Mint?
Yeah? Uh, you know going forward?

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And you know, it kind of
makes me really look forward to the

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National this year because if all that
stuff happened at the Mint, magine what

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is going to happen. Yeah here
in Chicago and July. And I've already

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heard some rumblings of some stuff and
I heard at the Mint that was being

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planned for the National. Talk to
quite a few people there, and and

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yeah, the National is definitely going
to be crazy. And I would expect

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quite a quite a lot to be
announced at the National. And you know

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how it is not a month before
the National Normally a big scandal comes up

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and then a lot of big news
drops and then we have the National.

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So I'm sure we'll get that here
in a couple of and about a month

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or two anyway leading up to it, I'm thinking we're probably gonna have several

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scandals that bop before that even you
know, that time frame even hits so

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absolutely all right, so you were
there, you were on the ground.

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Yeah, your overall impression of this
year's meant compared to last year's absolutely okay.

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Well, the first of all,
I'll say, the entire weekend was

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awesome. This year. I did
yet to stay at the MGM compared to

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not at the actual MGM, which
is where it was held, So that

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was very nice, cutting down on
a lot of travel and a lot of

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carrying boxes and things like that,
and saving a little bit of money as

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well. But for the first thing
I do want to say is last year

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was very much them testing the waters
and it was very much geared as a

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as a trade show. And that's
kind of what I mentioned on this show

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earlier that you know, this isn't
your regular old card show. Don't expect

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to see dollar boxes, don't expect
to see smaller stuff, Expect to see

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big time displays and then more of
a trade show field. That's how it

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was last year. Man, this
year, so many people brought out the

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dollar boxes, the lower end slabs, like really, you see, I

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was out of the impression that you
that the dealers weren't allowed to do that

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well Game Day Cards, which we
went myself, Jared and Mark from Double

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a Mint down in Orlando, who
was just featured on most expensivest with what's

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her name two chains they were.
We all went with Jeff Wilson from Sports

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Card Investor down to Game Day Sports
checked all that out. If you watch

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Jeff's video, you can see me
playing NBA jam and kicking some asks with

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Tim Hardaway and Christmas maman as they
shot some b roll footage. But they

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set up and had incredible deals all
weekend. Multiple other vendors ended up having

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amazing boxes of lower end stuff like
anything from a dollar to ten dollar cards

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all the way up the cards I
was expecting to see, like last year,

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the ten twenty fifty hundred thousand dollars, you know, iconic cards.

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I still had those all over the
place, but you had so much more

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to choose from that you could actually
go sift through a dollar box. Now,

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there weren't rows and rows of dealers, but last year there was literally

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none. This year there was a
good ten fifteen boots that had a lot

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of affordable stuff, whether it be
waxed cards, everything. And that's another

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thing that wasn't there. Last year
was whax. You couldn't really find much

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outside of people selling expensive cases or
people selling you know, a couple of

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boxes of the brand new product here
and there. Now you know, not

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too much. But this year it
was everywhere. And you probably last year

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you probably saw like individual boxes of
let's say late kineties Skybox metal basketball,

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right, you know that's the stuff
that's a go for ten grand plus a

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bob. Yes, and you saw
that, you don't get me wrong.

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That was all still there. But
the mix of the actual card show really

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impressed me, and I thought was
something that they were severely lacking the year

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before. And the reviews I know, and stuff that people saw. It

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turned a lot of people off.
But if you go to our Instagram at

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LGT Podograph, you'll see, as
I did a lot of live shows through

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there. They're also up on Facebook
as well, that the floor was a

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good mix of the super high end
but also the mid tiers, the low

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end. And if you want to
discount slabs, shoot, I hit up

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a discount slab booths and bought like
twenty five thirty slabs or like forty bucks.

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There you go. Now, also, I will I do want to

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say though, that it is it's
not necessarily a fair comparison to compare it

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this year's to last year's because the
date got moved I think at least twice

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last year due to you know,
COVID restriction and things like that. So

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it's not a you know, it's
not apples to apples. Yes, some

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of those guys could have backed out. There were other big card shows that

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were this weekend, you know,
as well Shantilly things like that, so

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you know that that was also their
last year that people probably couldn't probably backed

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out once it was changed and went
to Shantilly instead, And this year ended

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up coming through the mint like since
it wasn't pushed back, they didn't have

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to change hotels and all that.
So, yeah, this is the original

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date for this year. Yes,
so there there are some factors that could

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have led to the change, but
that was that was my biggest surprise was

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walking the floor seeing you still saw
all the innovation, all the new products

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that are coming out soon. Zion
Cases debuted their new mag pros, which

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are absolutely sick. They're they're basically
oversized magnetics, which I'll be doing a

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feature on our Instagram in a few
weeks showing you guys these in detail,

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and you can also check out multiple
videos on our ig from the Mint.

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But they're basically like an oversized mag
that has a little customizable flip on it,

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so you can customize your own flip
at the top. But it's an

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actual mag case and it's not too
much bigger than a normal magnetic little smaller

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maybe than a PSA slab. But
man, these things look good. They're

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so nice, they're so cool.
Um, they'll be dropping in a few

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weeks, I believe, Zion Cases
said. But there's a lot of a

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lot of really cool innovation that was
on the floor Clints. Clint's been working

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on those for for a while now, so I'm glad, glad to see

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he's finally finally got it down and
you know, ready to ready to pop

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out. Yep, they're doing a
business of business right now. It'll be

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available to the general public here in
just a few weeks. But I highly

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recommend checking out the videos on the
magpro was I detailed him in pretty in

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depth at the Mint while I was
there, But you know, walking the

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floor this year, it was amazing
once again, running into so many people

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that you know, maybe don't even
head to the National anymore as much,

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or are too busy at the National
to talk people like too far or too

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far west for the National because you
know, it doesn't go it does not

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go west to the Mississippi, or
it hasn't in at least twenty years.

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So you know, being out in
Vegas is a little bit different. To

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get a lot, they can get
there in about an hour plane ride.

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You know, it makes it a
lot easier for most people on the West

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coast. So you did see a
couple, you know, a little more

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people that you might not normally see
like at every you know national things like

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that. So it was really nice. It was really cool to see the

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overall floor layout. I thought they
did a great job organizing the event.

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No, there were some major issues
with some stuff, but overall they did

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a really good job. I do
have to slight a couple of companies here

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in just a little bit, but
they did a really good job with the

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floor layout. Panini's booth was awesome. I basically Tops had a really huge

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booth. Tops brought back the one
of my favorite things. They put up

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a wall of cards and it's basically
take a card leave a card type of

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deal, and I would go up
there every now and then and just drop

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off an auto when I saw a
bunch of kids there or something, you

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know, throw something cool in instead
of just a bass card. But by

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the end of the weekend it was
filled with people just hooking that wall up

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and seeing the kids run up to
it and grab stuff was awesome. And

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that's also another thing. I saw
a lot of kids this year. So

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many kids at this show, and
for a show that you see is so

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much of a trade show, it
surprised me. But these kids were interested

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in all of it, and I
was quite impressed. The overall presentation was

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great. The after hour events,
I will say need a little work this

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year. You know, when we
went to one of the quote unquote parties

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or whatever, the carnival or whatever, it was far from it. It

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was a room with a couple of
drinks, you shoot basketball with Adam Morrison

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for about five minutes and then there
was nothing to do. Yeah, so

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it really wasn't a collector's carnival or
whatever, which was supposed to have white

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chocolate. He backed out last minute
due to travel problems and we ended up

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getting Adam Morrison instead, which you
know, I'm fine with. But and

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Adam Morrison was cool. But the
events left a little to be a mat

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like, a little more to be
desired considering what you were paying to get

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into those events, you know what
I mean. It really wasn't anything.

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It was literally just walking to the
room with people that you had just seen

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and that you talk to on the
floor all day long, see them for

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a few minutes and you know,
grab some finger food and leave. But

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yeah, and with an open bar, right yes, and so other than

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that, you know, it was
cool. The panels I did, you

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know, I was working at the
gem Mint PSA booth and so didn't get

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a chance to check out a lot
of the panels, but did get to

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sneak into a couple when I had
some time, and they were good.

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I thought the hobby Talk was really
well. The couple others that I was

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able to check out just for some
content which I'll be releasing here this week

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on video, they were great.
I thought they were wonderful. And I

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thought the layout this year was great. It was in the same basic general

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spot. But I think they're finding
their footing. You know, it's here

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two of a show. They're trying
to do completely different and they're trying something

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like no other show in the country
does, which I commend them for.

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I think the more types of different
types of shows we can have, the

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better for the hobby, instead of
everybody feeling like every shows the same.

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And so I love the idea that
they're doing. I do think they've got

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a couple of things to flesh out, but I mean, compared to year

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one, I would say that this
was a drastic improvement. I think that

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there was still something to be desired
and let you know, left to be

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desired in my opinion, but the
access to everybody was well. Obviously this

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is a time where everybody wants to
talk and discuss business. A lot of

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business was talked in discussed, and
you know, I thought it was an

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awesome show. I highly and I
say this all the time, even if

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you're just in this a little bit
in the business aspect of the hobby.

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It's a show that I highly recommend
everybody going to and experiencing at least once.

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And now that I've seen what they're
building it too, I would almost

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extend it to collectors because if you
like to see what's coming up in the

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hobby in the future if you want
to see up close and personal what's going

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on in the future, as well
as grabbing a bunch of lower and stuff,

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checking out dollar boxes, which I
ever expected to see there, but

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apparently it's going to be a real
thing going forward. You know. I

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thought it was awesome, so a
great year two improvement, although I do

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think they're still finding their balance between
trade show and card show, if that

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makes sense. Well, I think
from what I saw, you know,

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from all the way out here and
you know, the cold hell hole that

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we call struggle, I think I'm
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next year because I think it's one
of those things where you know it's not

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it's not going to be something that
you want to miss. No, I

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absolutely think it is a can't miss
show. I would definitely put it on

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my can't list show from this year. All right, now, speaking of

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things that nobody missed, Yeah,
um, let's talk about the elephant in

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the room. Yes, what the
hell was Beckett thinking? Now, I

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made a meme. I don't know
if you guys saw it. I was

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able to get pictures of the entire
process of their their first reveal when they

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tarped it when they replaced it,
and then when it ultimately they pulled it

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down. Um, but yes,
if you guys did miss it, that

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get as soon as it started ripped, opened their curtains to their booth,

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revealing and all new grading scale that
made absolutely no freaking sense saying that quad

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nine five that equal to ten.
Now, I'm gonna tell you, I'm

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gonna tell you Drew before we get
into the meat and potatoes of this doctor.

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Doctor Beckett is rolling over in his
grave right now, and he's not

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even dead. I was about to
say he's gonna be on I'll be hotline

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this Saturday. No, I dude
is rolling over in his grave and he's

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not even dead. So look,
this was like we you know, when

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we had Jeremy and canal on back
in August after the National we had the

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conversation about the new slab design that
the marketing department you know, kind of

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got ahead of their skis on and
they threw up there any way, and

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it created a whole bunch of madness. Yeah, and now we've got this

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here we are again. So basically
what happened was they were going to change

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their grading scale, and if you
had, so where a gem Mint is

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now going to be a ten but
instead of a nine point five. But

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they're also going to have the pristine
ten. Yeah, they're gonna have the

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black label ten. Yes, which
is fine, no issue, fine if

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you want to distinguish between that stuff. Correct. However, what they didn't

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do was make changes to the subgrades. So now in order to be a

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gem Mint ten, you had to
have at least one of the subgrades be

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a ten. Now as part of
this also they're adding it. They were

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going to add in the nine point
five grade, but as a mint plus

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grade, very similar to what SGC
started, and then CSG you know,

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decided to do that as well and
things like that. But which okay,

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I'm supportive of. Now here's the
problem. If you have a card that

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is a quad nine five, so
all the subgrades are nine fives, what

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we in the hobby like to refer
to as a true true jem, yeah,

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true gem. Immediately once that change
gets made to the grading scale,

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that card is no longer considered gem
mint right because it doesn't have a ten

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at least one ten as one of
the subgrades. Well, so, initially,

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initially they announced that if you had
quad nine fives, it would be

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a ten, and so a lot
of people went and bought on the floor

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quad nine fives, expecting to do
it day one before it opened. The

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preview show, they were talking and
saying that you could bring it to them

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and get it swapped out with the
new flip and everything if you had that

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stuff for a small fee. Then
the next day it popped up that you

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had to have one ten on there
to get it popped up. So it

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didn't just start with one ten.
They were gonna give all Quade nine fives.

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They were just gonna give him a
bump that they didn't deserve. And

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then they got backlash, so they
tarked it and then they threw out that

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you had to have one ten.
And then people still, i mean,

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despite the fact that they said screw
all the people that you know, went

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and bought the Quade nine fives to
you know, flip up. Then they

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decided to say, you know,
hey, all you have to have is

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one tens. Then what do you
think people do? They go find someone

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they have one ten, then they
say scratch it. You know, we're

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not gonna do any of it.
So yeah, a lot of people were

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very pissed about that. And now
here's what I well, let's let's you

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know, let's get into the details. Here's what I don't understand. So

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under the current well i'll call it
the current grading scale, because they backtracked

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everything and said, we're not making
any changes yet. We're gonna you know,

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you know, well that having read
on that, we're gonna we're gonna

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get into that in a minute.
But I just didn't want to get ahead

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of myself there. Yeah. So, according to their grading scale, a

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nine point five was a gem mint
HM, which means that if you had

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quad nine fives as subgrades, the
card was gem a mint. That would

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be no difference than if you were
look at subgrades for a PSA ten,

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right, you know, you would
see at least three of the four subgrades.

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If they did subs on a gemment
ten would be three or four set

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bridge would be tens. In theory, this is you know, again,

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it's not exactly like that, but
look, let's you know, I'm trying

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to trying to make an Apple's ten. Yeah, right, so why not

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change the subgrades as well? Yeah, because you immediately you know, if

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you've got quad nine fives. Yeah, and they're gonna say, hey,

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it's a ten. You know,
it needs to have at least one ten

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in order to do that. Well, what if you what if you got

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a card that's three nine fives.
I'm sorry, that's got two nine fives,

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a ten and a nine. Right, yeah, you know, but

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what you're really doing is taking all
those quad nine fives. Imagine all the

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quad nine five Jordan rookies that are
out there. Okay, you are immediately

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downgrading those, yes, instantly and
instantly, and all the National Treasures rpas,

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the basketball because that's what Beckett was
always known for, if anything,

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was the bow men chrome and the
ntrpas and stuff, and the Cup rpas

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because they wanted those subgrades just in
cases, well, the subgrades, but

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they also you also gotta keep in
mind, you also gotta keep in mind

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that PSA in order to get a
card like an nt you know, RPA

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or something like the cup slabbed.
Back in the day it was they had

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that. Yeah, it was like
this monster size slab. Yes, now

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it's different, right, but a
lot of those are still going to plus,

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they also have the inner liner m
uh, you know, the inner

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sleeve that they put the card into. Before they put it in the slab.

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There's a lot of people that still
love that me included. Yeah,

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um, you know, because it's
that added layer of protection for the card.

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If you should, you know,
you shake it around or whatever you

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should, it's not gonna get you
know, it's not. There's no potential

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for it to get scratched by the
plastic and the slat, which which PSA

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is now added to some some cards
that fit a criteria on their on their

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grading now. But yes, the
Inner Sleep definitely helped as well. But

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you saw those cards all the time, and the quot the true gems were

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the ones that would sell for astronomical
amounts compared to having one nine on like

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nine. It was a massive increase
and like you said, it basically made

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the completely downgraded them one thousand reason
overnight. Yeah. Instead of those cards

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being gem mint in in the like
the snap of a finger right there,

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it just they became mint plus.
Yeah. And had they gone through with

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it, the amount of value that
that would have wiped out of the hobby,

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yes, would have been astronomical.
Oh yes, there probably would.

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You know, if you take all
the cards that are nine fives that are

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either quad nine fives or maybe three
nine fives and a nine. Um,

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you're probably and you downgrade all of
those to a mint plus instead of jem

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mint. Yeah, you're probably wiping
out a good eight figure number easily.

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And you know, one of the
funniest things was at the at the start

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of the show when they announced all
this stuff. The line at Beckett and

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the conversation around Beckett was massive.
After that first preview day, it was

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a ghost town the entire weekend.
Like I've never seen so many people walk

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by a booth and have so much
tension at that booth and then that booth

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literally be a ghost town the rest
of the weekend. It was mind blowing

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to me. So before we get
into the update, regard that and kind

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of what they did and the you
know, a couple of days past the

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mint, I have a question.
Sure, I have a question. It's

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not for you. I'm not going
to get an answer on the show.

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But Jeremy and Kunal, what were
you guys thinking, Yeah, well,

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we'll hold on, hold on,
hold on, we'll get to that.

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We'll get to that because I know
it's part of the update. Um,

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and who's getting fired? Yeah,
because a mistake like look, a mistake

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like this cannot go. This isn't
a slap on the wrist, you know,

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error right, This isn't something small, this is this is something that

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has the potential to completely and utterly
destroy Yes, the company. Yes,

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Now, I will say that two
of the names that you said are absolutely

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right. They appeared on our show
and did there for the first interview Beckett

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had in a couple of years.
I highly recommend you check that episode out

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if you haven't, probably a couple
of months ago, but I will tell

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you right now a lot of stuff
that they said listening to that and then

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seeing at the Mint and where they've
gone since then, it's quite interesting and

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still very very current event related.
So if you haven't heard that episode,

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definitely check it out. But you
said, what, we're Canaan Jeremy thinking

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that's two of the people. Now, I spoke to somebody very high up.

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They may or may not basically run
the National and they may or may

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not also run a very very well
known hobby website in the industry. But

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had a long conversation with this man
or a woman, and they happen to

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tell me that there are three people
at Beckett that right, now are making

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those decisions. You had two of
them, right, third one I'm not

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going to name, but basically they
all three have completely different visions on where

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they think all this stuff could go, and they all put their ideas up.

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They all tried to push for what
they thought was right, but they

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are being overruled at every single corner
and are being shut down completely by one

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person. And I'm sure if you
connect the dots and play a little game

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and do a little diagram, whatever
you need to do, a yarn chart,

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like a serial killer does whatever you
need to do, you can cross

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names, You cross names, figure
out who it is it's making those ultimate

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decisions. But they're being shot down
at every single corner, and ultimately somebody

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decided to take this completely on their
own reins and say, hey, this

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is exactly what we're doing. What
you guys think does not matter. And

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quite honestly, the people that are
making those decisions are not the one out

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of the three that has any idea
about the actual collector they have. And

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i they might have the best idea
on the market. They may be brilliant

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with technology, they may be brilliant
advertising. They can may be brilliant and

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all this other stuff, but when
it comes down to the collector, the

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actual person grading the cards, and
the people on the ground floor of the

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hobby, the people in that company
that are ultimately shutting everyone else, like

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Jeremy for example, down, they're
silencing them. They're they're blocking their ideas

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out and they don't understand the collectors
in this industry. And that's something that

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you and I spoke about that we
were worried about, and you're seeing it

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now. Yeah, now that brings
us to the next thing. Yes,

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So they put out an update shortly
shortly after the mint yea that they were

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gonna, you know, start doing
some focus groups talking to people in the

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hobby. You know, they put
out a survey then you can go and

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fill out. Um. You know, they're gonna be reaching out to two

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people in you know, who's got
got the experience in the hobby and um,

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finding out what their views are.
I'm still waiting for my phone call.

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Um. But don't you think this
is something that should have happened first?

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Uh? Yeah, hell, what
do you? Yes, Yes,

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this is this is something that should
have happened. This is you know,

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if you're gonna if you're thinking about
making a change like this, maybe we

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should have focused grouped this with people
from within the hobby first. You could

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focus group, but within your own
damn company. There's I know enough freaking

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collectors there at the own company that
they had actually listened to people. I

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know for a fact, people in
the company that were heavily against this,

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because I spoke to them at the
MINT. I know for a fact they

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were heavily against this, but had
no choice. They could have focused grouped

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this, They could have spoken to
everyone they needed to do. But that's

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just it. The people making these
decisions don't care until it's too late.

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They think this is some industry where
you can throw crap out there and if

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it doesn't work, you can just
immediately backtrack and fix it. You've seen

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it a million times. But this
is not a freaking website or a new

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shopping cart. This is not the
internet tech space. This is physical,

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tangible collectibles. And like you said, that change would have cost at least

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eight figures in the hobby at a
minimum mini minimum. And that's a very

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low estimate, you know, that's
that's very forgiving. You know, at

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that point, the amount of value
they could have lost is extraordinary, So

409
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for them to come out and do
the crap they did, which I've got

410
00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:56.960
their statement here, Like you said, to get there and do a hobby

411
00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:02.960
wide survey, reaching out to specific
people in the hobby. I know they're

412
00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:06.720
gonna be reaching out to a lot
of us. I'm sure we'll get those

413
00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:09.960
colleges soon, if not from Cronal, from Jeremy or someone else. And

414
00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:14.160
they're also going to be hosting,
like you said, focus groups and things

415
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:16.319
like that. And you can go
fill out the survey. Check out Beckett

416
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:20.359
on Facebook. They've got a link
to it, you can or on Twitter

417
00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:23.079
and you can click and take that
survey, and I highly recommend you do

418
00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:29.319
because I mean, I mean,
I'm not using Becket anymore. I'll be

419
00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:34.839
quite honest, unless I'm authenticating something
because their authentication department is still phenomenal.

420
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:39.680
What Brooke and Steve built has been
absolutely insane, although Brook's not in that

421
00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:45.240
that side of it anymore. What
those two are really responsible for building has

422
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:51.000
been phenomenal. But the grading side
of stuff is a fricking mess. And

423
00:32:51.400 --> 00:32:55.640
like we kind of talked about before, if I'm Beckett after all of this,

424
00:32:57.880 --> 00:33:01.759
I move and focus all my tension
on authentication and I come up with

425
00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:07.000
whatever the hell kind of tech stuff
they want to do and easier. Damn

426
00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:12.680
ass is out of grating if you
need to, because if you're not going

427
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:15.440
to listen to the people that can
actually make changes. And I'm talking about

428
00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:20.039
people I know there that are greaters, people that I know there that are

429
00:33:20.119 --> 00:33:23.720
high ups in the company that I
just spoke to in person that hated this

430
00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:28.839
idea. You could have All you
had to do is walk the office floor

431
00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:31.000
and talk to five people and you
could have focused grouped it in ten minutes.

432
00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:37.319
But they thought they knew everything because
they think they know this space and

433
00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:45.640
they don't. And it's frustrating because
a Beckett is a part of my childhood

434
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:47.920
growing up. I think it's part
of it's part of all of our childhoods.

435
00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:52.920
Yes, B I have a great
relationship with doctor Jim, who founded

436
00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:59.039
the company, and although he doesn't
own it anymore, is still part of

437
00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:02.359
his legacy. I would like to
see that preserved and taken care of and

438
00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:06.519
not run into the ground by people
that have no fricking clue what they're doing.

439
00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:12.320
But it's just it's frustrating to me, and it's getting to the point

440
00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:14.679
where I just want to say,
look, you got a lot of awesome

441
00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:19.159
cards and a lot of awesome Becketts
labs. If either keep things the same

442
00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:23.760
or get rid of the grading because
you gotta do something, you can't have

443
00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:29.599
these reactionary I mean, this isn't
the first time they've done this. Like

444
00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:32.920
we just said, they keep throwing
out new things, throwing it at the

445
00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:36.840
wall, throwing it at collectors,
and as soon as there's an uproar,

446
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:39.559
they pull it right back. And
for good reason they pulled it back.

447
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:44.599
I'm glad they did because it was
stupid. But now, no, no,

448
00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:51.599
We'll hold on a second though.
I understand why they wanted to make

449
00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:57.880
the change where the Gemen became a
tad. I get that. I understand

450
00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:05.320
that. I'm supportive of that.
Right, the issue became what then are

451
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:09.480
the qualifications? Yes, as far
as subgrades go, there is a way

452
00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:16.519
to do this. No, be
able to make this change and still preserve

453
00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:23.760
things where what was a gem mint
at nine point five remains a gem mint,

454
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:29.360
yes, and still holds that value
in collector's eyes. Correct, because

455
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:35.360
all we're really doing is changing a
label. Right, You're saying, what

456
00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:38.119
was a nine to five is now
at ten. Well, and the slab,

457
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:43.360
the slab is going to get thinner. That is going to say,

458
00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:49.480
the slab is getting changed just for
everyone's knowledge. I'm I'm less focused on

459
00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:53.960
that. That is not that is
not the issue. The change in the

460
00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:59.639
physical slab, that's not the problem. That was never the problem. Nope.

461
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:05.519
Now there is a way to do
this, but you will also you

462
00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:12.840
also have to change the subgrade structure
as well. Right, yea, And

463
00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:15.920
there there is a way. And
I'm not going to give away all my

464
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:20.119
secrets. No, no, I
would. I'm gonna to do their job.

465
00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:22.079
Let's see, I'm gonna I'm gonna
no, no, no, no,

466
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:24.920
I will gladly tell them how to
do their job. So I'll tell

467
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:30.360
your out. You know, Conal, Jeremy. You want to know how

468
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:32.079
to do it, how to do
it right, and how to fix it

469
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:37.400
and how to relaunch it and how
to be successful with it. You got

470
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:40.920
their contact impact, you've got my
number. You have my number? Yeah,

471
00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:45.159
you know how you know where to
find you know where the rainbow ends

472
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:50.400
exactly, all right, call me. I'll tell you exactly how to do

473
00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:54.000
it, how to do it right, and how to do it without pissing

474
00:36:54.119 --> 00:37:02.079
off of the hobby. Oh yeah, and guys, I know you are

475
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:07.519
listening because I know one of you
as a weekly listener, but you definitely

476
00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:09.960
give us a call. We can
help you out with a lot of that.

477
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:14.840
But yeah, when you say pissing
off the community, you have no

478
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:19.880
idea that first night of the Mint
turned from a celebration of the Mint opening

479
00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:23.800
to a straight up bunch of pissed
off Beckett people, not employees, but

480
00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:29.519
people going to be Beckett Ruth and
then everyone else just laughing like crazy,

481
00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:32.679
like it literally became a laughing stock. You had. Yeah, from what

482
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:37.800
I heard, you had half the
people that had torches and pitchforks and the

483
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:43.960
other half they were just sitting back, drinking a beer and watching the show.

484
00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:46.519
There's Beckett again. I mean I
heard this, I heard this more

485
00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:52.960
times than once. This exact phrase
exactly what I'd expect from Beckett. And

486
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:57.960
is that's what's sad? Yeah,
Yeah, you had you had your pitchforks

487
00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:00.800
and torches guys, and you had
your Michael Jack some bucket of popcorn guys.

488
00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:05.880
Yep, And you know those would
you there know that gift you know

489
00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:07.679
or Jeff or whatever you want to
call it. Um, you know what

490
00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:14.320
I'm referencing. So you know again, you guys know where to find me.

491
00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:17.320
Yeah, I can tell you how
to fix it. Call me.

492
00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:27.360
Yeah, absolutely, moving on.
Yes, So in addition to to that

493
00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:36.119
debacle, UM, you also were
able to dig up some additional I don't

494
00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:38.119
I don't want to. I don't
want to use the word scandalous information because

495
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:45.760
it's it's a really scandalous some upcoming
news. I will say, yeah,

496
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:52.159
yeah, so all this has nothing
to do with back. But um,

497
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:55.480
I was able to talk and confirm
over the last few days, which we

498
00:38:55.519 --> 00:39:00.079
did drop on Hobby News Daily a
little piece on it. Hasn't been talked

499
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:05.039
about a lot yet. I know
it will be discussed on Hobby Hotline in

500
00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:10.360
depth on Saturday with doctor Beckett and
a few other people I believe Victor Roman

501
00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:20.360
and Adam Palmer. But over the
weekend, fanatics had a bunch of meetings,

502
00:39:20.480 --> 00:39:25.039
or at least a bunch of dinners
and conversations with a lot of people

503
00:39:25.199 --> 00:39:31.000
at Panini. Those conversations, I
can tell you right now have led to

504
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:39.119
already eight people or more. This
is eight that we've confirmed, eight people

505
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:46.000
that left Panini and have now joined
Fanatics in some sort of role. Now,

506
00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:51.400
these announcements will start coming out very
soon. I find it a little

507
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:54.559
odd that they haven't made the announcements
yet. I have a couple of theories

508
00:39:54.599 --> 00:40:00.480
as to why, but we'll get
into that in just a moment. But

509
00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:04.320
Panini, we've been talking about for
a while now. There weren't a lot

510
00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:08.519
of people there left anyways. There
were there were people taking over that were

511
00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:15.000
hired for one job that we're running
four different departments. As soon as a

512
00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:22.000
month ago. Now eight people,
including at least three that are very high

513
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:29.960
up in Panini's in Panini's food chain, have left Panini to join Fanatics.

514
00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:32.000
Now I'm not going to get the
names at this moment because it has not

515
00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:37.079
been made official, and it's not
my business to put their personal business out

516
00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:39.559
there till they want to, So
I will let them make the announcements.

517
00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:44.199
If you do enough digging, you
can find it if you know their names.

518
00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:50.440
But at least eight employees from Panini
have now headed to Fanatics. So

519
00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:54.079
the first thing I want to do
is ask your opinion on what you think

520
00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:58.480
about this, because I have a
little theory I want to run by you

521
00:40:58.559 --> 00:41:07.039
as well. Okay, so I
I'm a little torn on which way I

522
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:17.280
kind of want to go because I
don't think that this is a pre buyout

523
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:24.519
move. Yeah. Typically typically if
they're gonna make it, you know,

524
00:41:24.519 --> 00:41:29.000
if they're gonna if they're gonna try
to buy out the company, Yeah,

525
00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:36.400
they don't want to steal the employees
before they buy out the company. Typically,

526
00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:39.800
typically you just leave them there and
you say, yes, we want

527
00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:43.880
to buy the company. Here's here's
how much, here's a check. And

528
00:41:44.039 --> 00:41:47.880
it couldn't not be them, because
what they did was they made him an

529
00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:52.800
offer. They they didn't take it. Like at the Mint, they all

530
00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:55.760
waited till they got back and then
handed in their papers. When I see

531
00:41:55.840 --> 00:41:59.239
something like this, it kind of
makes me seem like, well, they're

532
00:41:59.239 --> 00:42:02.000
trying to take the executives to then
make a enough because we all know a

533
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:07.880
couple months ago that they were very
close to purchasing Pemini. I know for

534
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:10.679
a fact, I have confirmed they
made offers and it was very close to

535
00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:14.480
being done and it ended up not
being done. And that you know,

536
00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:17.239
we haven't heard much of that story
at all since then. So the only

537
00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:21.960
we're on the table, so are
they siphoning them to then offer them pennies

538
00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:25.199
on the dollar. Well, I
think the longer that they wait, they're

539
00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:30.840
gonna wind up getting a pennies on
the dollar offer anyway, because the closer

540
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:35.800
you get to the beginning of the
Fanatics contracts with the NBA in the NFL,

541
00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:44.760
you have a product that is going
to generate less revenue at the higher

542
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:49.920
revenue percentage, which is what the
current contracts are at compared to the one

543
00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:57.119
that's the ones that Fanatics has.
I think the only way, the only

544
00:42:57.159 --> 00:42:59.639
way that I think that they're going
to wind up being able to pull that

545
00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:04.679
off if this is indeed a move
to force a buy out, If if

546
00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:09.440
it is top executives that they're you
know, stealing way right now, it

547
00:43:09.559 --> 00:43:15.519
is they what they might come to
the table with now and say, well,

548
00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:20.519
you have nobody there running the company. Let us come in and you

549
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:22.039
know, let us buy it out
and we'll get it. But I don't

550
00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:27.199
think they're I don't think they need
the company. They don't need the company

551
00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:30.960
the company. Know. What they
need is the intellectual property, right,

552
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:36.239
That's what they really that's what they
really want. They really don't care about

553
00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:38.840
the company. But I but I
will say that for those of you that

554
00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:45.280
you know are expecting like a two
year weight on redemptions, it's probably going

555
00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:50.639
to be closer to five at the
moment, or or they're gonna start creating

556
00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:53.159
no sparkle packs for pretty much every
product and saying you know, it's screw

557
00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:58.599
it, We're done, and here
you go sparkle packs. Um. I

558
00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:05.840
honestly don't know now that I think
the interesting. In addition to all the

559
00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:10.119
Panini people moving forward, Fanatics also
announced their plan to have NBA cards in

560
00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:15.800
late twenty twenty three and twenty twenty
four, which is before they have the

561
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:21.440
license. But they but in twenty
twenty one they did tops Finest Basketball right.

562
00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:28.280
But are they expecting to get that
intellectual property from Panini? Are they

563
00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:31.400
expecting to be able to use stuff
early or they expect like, what are

564
00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:35.519
they expecting to do with this?
A lot? Just the announcement of the

565
00:44:35.639 --> 00:44:39.719
NBA was a little shocking to me
because there was no need to announce anything

566
00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:44.119
about it, but they did.
And at the same time, they're taking

567
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:47.679
all the key executives. The amount
of brain power that just left Panini.

568
00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:53.519
When the names come out and you
see the positions is astonishing, like they

569
00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:59.840
literally chopped them in half. Almost. Well, so here's here's my thinking.

570
00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:05.039
So, and this is gonna be
a weird one just but just follow

571
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:14.119
me here. First, last year's
Bowman Bowman University, Yeah, complete straight

572
00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:22.840
up nil product, no school logos, just players and colors. This year's

573
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:27.239
Bowman University aside from the fact that
they got rid of paper, like,

574
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:31.800
oh yeah, awesome, great job
on that one. Tips Um they it

575
00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:37.559
is now it's an still an NIL
product, but it's also an NC double

576
00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:45.119
A product. Yes, So my
thinking is for those basketball products. Fanatics

577
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:54.079
already has deals with individual basketball players
for autographs, including Lembayana. Yeah they

578
00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:59.800
got that now, ya Um what
I am thinking it's gonna be. I'm

579
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:06.199
and they're gonna be it's gonna be
very similar to first year Bowman University.

580
00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:10.639
Yeah, where they're just gonna airbrush
off the uniforms. Well, I think

581
00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:15.480
they will too. Look back at
the football, even Bowman when they had

582
00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:21.199
the license. If you look at
Bowman football right before they lost a license

583
00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:25.679
in twenty fifteen, I believe to
Panini Bowman was already airbrush down right like

584
00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:30.119
while the rookies and everything is they
still air brush even when it was,

585
00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:34.519
Well, the difference is going to
be before the contract hits. The only

586
00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:37.199
way the player can have a card
is if they have an individual contract with

587
00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:43.639
that player. Yes, which means
we're not going to see Lebron. I

588
00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:45.360
don't think we'd see him anyway,
because he'd be retired and he and then

589
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:51.079
he reverts back to upper deck exclusive. But the only reason he's got cards

590
00:46:51.079 --> 00:46:54.480
with Panini is because he's still playing. He's an active player. Um,

591
00:46:57.039 --> 00:47:01.480
I think it's gonna be I think
they're gonna go sign individual tracks with one

592
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:07.119
hundred plus players, sure, and
they're gonna do a They're gonna do a

593
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:09.119
product out of it. Well,
I think they are too. I honestly

594
00:47:09.199 --> 00:47:14.719
think the main reason they wanted to
do it was to capitalize on Victor Winbayonna

595
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:19.039
like, yeah, I mean it's
the biggest prospect since Lebron, and let's

596
00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:22.800
face it, Brownie Junior, he'll
get some hype, but he's not gonna

597
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:27.440
have near the hype that Victor is
going to have. And so I think

598
00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:30.360
honestly they were like, yeah,
there's no way we're missing that trial and

599
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:31.559
now, but here's it. But
here's the other side of the Brownie Junior

600
00:47:31.639 --> 00:47:37.360
thing. Do you think he'll have
I don't think he'll have autograph products in

601
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:42.480
any whether it's Panini or Fanatics or
anything. I think I think Daddy's gonna

602
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:45.840
wind up talking them into going upper
Deck exclusive. From autograph standpoint, well,

603
00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:50.480
I think eventually they do. But
I mean Fanatics has already announced we'll

604
00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:53.519
have some at least in the upper
in the in the McDonald donalds and things

605
00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:59.760
like that, So we might have, we might have some under some pre

606
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:07.840
NBA cards. Those maybe those maybe
his only autographs. That was very posible

607
00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:13.480
because he could easily follow in his
father's footsteps at upper Deck, which a

608
00:48:13.559 --> 00:48:16.519
lot of athletes have done lately Garland, a lot of other people had also

609
00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:22.480
done it outside of just Lebron Jordan, things like that. But that greatly

610
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:25.039
influences the card market. I mean
that, I mean hell, signing in

611
00:48:25.159 --> 00:48:30.920
exclusive with Upper Deck is literally what
made Prism popular. Thank you, Ben

612
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:35.440
Simmons. Like if Ben Simmons did
not sign that exclusive, Prism would not

613
00:48:35.480 --> 00:48:38.719
be what it was like, it
wouldn't it would never have taken off because

614
00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:43.719
people wouldn't have been looking for that
one rookie to Chase because there were no

615
00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:46.679
autos and people settled on the silver
Prism and look what happened to the Prism

616
00:48:46.679 --> 00:48:51.480
brand. Thank you again, Ben
Simmons at Leasha did the only thing.

617
00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:55.360
It's the only thing Nicia did something
positive for the hobby, because you sure

618
00:48:55.360 --> 00:49:00.519
didn't for anyone that bought your cards. But yeah, it very well could

619
00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:06.239
be his only autographs could be in
the lower end products, because I definitely

620
00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:10.000
think with obviously your dad attached to
it, I'm assuming he's gonna want to

621
00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:15.679
have probably the same type of deal. I'm assuming Lebron obviously loves the deal

622
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:21.320
because he's not signing a billion things. Upper Deck is very good with their

623
00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:25.639
exclusive athletes, and I really haven't
seen a company ever use their athletes that

624
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:30.840
they have signed to an exclusive as
well as upper Deck does. Yeah,

625
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:35.920
and so anyone that's offered that contract, honestly would be kind of crazy not

626
00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:43.039
to take it unless Fanatics starts putting
in some crazy, crazy incentives that make

627
00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:45.119
it a little more appealing than upper
Deck. But I just don't know.

628
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:49.960
Now, I will say there's a
company out there that is going to do

629
00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:53.119
that. Fanatics is the one because
they've got deeper pockets than upper Deck does.

630
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:59.400
But yes, but yes, I
still see I still see him going

631
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:00.639
upper deck. But anyway, but
that's besides, that's besides. But that's

632
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:05.360
the reason I think to be a
basketball. But they I don't know what.

633
00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:10.719
I honestly don't know what their play
is pilfering the Panini executives. Um,

634
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:15.360
what I do know is if that
collective brain trust is gone. And

635
00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:21.239
I use the word brain trust loosely
because let's be honest, Panini hasn't exactly

636
00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:24.960
in the you know, the shining
example of what a card company should be

637
00:50:25.480 --> 00:50:30.400
the last you know, five years
or so. Um, if they're stealing

638
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:35.159
away that brain trust, like I
don't, I don't know what they're gonna

639
00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:37.880
I don't know if they I mean, what are they gonna do? Hire

640
00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:44.719
They're gonna hire replacements for these people
knowing that there's a definitive shelf life on

641
00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:49.760
the product. That's that's the biggest
thing. And that's why I'm so confused

642
00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:54.159
on do they want the Panini brand
or are they trying to get the people

643
00:50:54.239 --> 00:51:00.079
from Panini so they can get what
you said earlier, the intellectual property in

644
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:06.159
Panini, And maybe Panini pushes out
back to stickers, NASCAR things like that,

645
00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:10.079
and maybe moves on with some things
and sells some intellectual property. I

646
00:51:10.119 --> 00:51:16.000
mean, when Tops finished the first
original football license, we'll guess what they

647
00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:20.480
did with the inception plates and things
like that. They handed them over to

648
00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:23.679
Panini and they created this thing called
Origins. Go check out the first year

649
00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:27.320
of it, and go look at
that same year of inception, the same

650
00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:30.360
plates. Guys. So intellectual property
gets transferred all the time. I mean

651
00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:35.440
upper Deck has metal now, they
never created metal in the past. I

652
00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:39.599
mean it was Skybox in a completely
different company well, and didn't Panini didn't

653
00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:47.239
do Donerus right, so he all
the time. So maybe this is a

654
00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:52.400
power plate and not. Maybe since
the offer to buy the company fell through,

655
00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:54.320
they figured, screw it, We'll
just take the people. We'll try

656
00:51:54.360 --> 00:52:00.480
and grab what they want, which
I'm assuming is prison, optic, national

657
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:07.199
treasures, flawless, and then say
bye, you know, and they but

658
00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:09.280
here's the thing. Do they really
need optic? They don't need an optic.

659
00:52:09.639 --> 00:52:14.400
Optic is to optic is tops chrome? They don't need it. They

660
00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:19.159
don't need optic. But see,
then you get into a much deeper conversation.

661
00:52:19.239 --> 00:52:22.199
We'll have to have on another show
where okay, well, now Prism

662
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:27.559
needs to change encard Autographs because you've
got to have that chromium product one card

663
00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:30.960
autographs, yep, which was optics
main thing. You also, you know,

664
00:52:31.159 --> 00:52:37.000
do you want that rated rookie logo
that's massively valuable and that is in

665
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:43.400
Optic and so Dons. So but
I don't I honestly don't think that that's

666
00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:46.639
as I don't think that is as
valuable a right, you know, at

667
00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:51.599
least in the current market as Prism. No, no, I agree that

668
00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:52.960
I'd rather have, you know,
between those two brands, I think the

669
00:52:53.360 --> 00:52:59.639
Prism brand is definitely more valuable than
either Dons or Donos optic brands. But

670
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:02.360
I think if you gave Panini ten
more years with Optic, I think there

671
00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:09.119
would take over that. Maybe that
may be true, Um, but what

672
00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:14.599
I what I will say is Panini
is in a tough position right right now

673
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:19.360
because you know, because of this, and it greatly If somebody a Panini

674
00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:23.480
came to me tomorrow and said,
hey, we'd like to take you for

675
00:53:23.559 --> 00:53:28.159
this job that you know is the
top whatever, the top person that you

676
00:53:28.159 --> 00:53:32.239
know, they wind up leaving.
Um, I'm gonna turn that down.

677
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:37.719
Same here, I'm gonna turn it
down because there there is a there is

678
00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:42.360
a definitive shelf life on this.
It's like, hey, we're gonna you're

679
00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:47.840
gonna go roll with this for two
to three years and then now now you

680
00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:52.039
could wind up orchestrating, as you
know, a buy out to Fanatics and

681
00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:53.880
you could wind up moving over to
Fanatics and you know, a similar type

682
00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:58.480
role. But whatever. But there's
no guarantee. I was about to say,

683
00:53:58.519 --> 00:54:01.119
there's no guarantee on it. There's
no guarantee on that. No,

684
00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:07.320
So Panini is a Panini isn't a
world hurt? Yes, No, this

685
00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:13.760
is a massive blow to Panini.
Now, I will say, I'm going

686
00:54:13.800 --> 00:54:15.760
to reach out to a lot of
Panini contacts I have. Are the few

687
00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:20.679
that are still there as a few
of mine did, are some of the

688
00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:28.119
eight now that have left. But
I'm interested to see what happens going forward,

689
00:54:28.119 --> 00:54:31.000
because like you said, you I
mean, there was already so much

690
00:54:31.079 --> 00:54:35.760
change in the last six months.
There was already so many new people brought

691
00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:38.000
in. Some people didn't even last
a year. Some of these people that

692
00:54:38.119 --> 00:54:43.760
left just came into these positions a
year ago and they're already moving like this

693
00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:50.559
is a massive, massive exodus at
Panini, and I'm gonna be really interested

694
00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:55.719
to see what happens from now until
National time. Maybe, like as we

695
00:54:55.800 --> 00:55:00.360
said at the beginning of the show, is maybe this leading up to something

696
00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:05.800
at the National Who knows, But
one thing's for sure, Pannini might not

697
00:55:05.880 --> 00:55:08.480
have happened at the Mint. Is
I think Beckett was dealt the biggest blow

698
00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:13.880
at the Mint. But post all
right, as soon as everybody got back

699
00:55:13.880 --> 00:55:19.000
to work that Tuesday or Wednesday this
week, Yeah, Panini, I got

700
00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:22.480
a stack of audio, so I'm
out of here. Letters, and I

701
00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:27.079
do and I will say, I
understand why those people waited. So do

702
00:55:27.159 --> 00:55:30.880
I completely understand why if you don't
do that at the show? No,

703
00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:34.880
no, no, absolutely not,
especially when you're not especially when the show

704
00:55:34.960 --> 00:55:37.760
is not in your hometown. Right, because they could say, all right,

705
00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:42.679
great, have fun getting home.
You're yeah, exactly, paid for

706
00:55:42.719 --> 00:55:47.280
your flight here, you're going you
know, yeah exactly, Yeah, you

707
00:55:47.320 --> 00:55:52.559
don't. You don't do that.
Plus you've already committed to, you know,

708
00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:55.480
doing a job for a company at
this show. You don't like,

709
00:55:55.559 --> 00:56:00.920
Look, these people are not you
know gen Z people. Exactly, Yeah,

710
00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:04.519
They're not the ones that will just
you know, I, hey,

711
00:56:04.599 --> 00:56:07.320
screw this, I'm out of here. I don't like this, you know,

712
00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:12.000
and just walk away. That's not
you know what it is. You

713
00:56:12.199 --> 00:56:15.760
actually have a little bit of respect, correct And I'm willing to bet they

714
00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:20.360
put in a notice. Two oh
they I know for a fact that they

715
00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:23.639
did. No, I'm not I'm
not doubting that at all. I'm I'm

716
00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:27.159
just you know, because we have
a lot of people that are gen Z

717
00:56:27.320 --> 00:56:30.159
that do listen to the show,
and I just want to I just want

718
00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:35.199
to point that out, non hobby
related, don't ever walk away from a

719
00:56:35.320 --> 00:56:39.840
job. If you're going to leave
the job, give a proper notice to

720
00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:46.320
allow your employer to find a replacement
for you. Yep, don't just walk

721
00:56:46.360 --> 00:56:51.239
away. No, that's either.
Okay. So that that's my non hobby

722
00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:57.159
you know, gen Z advice right
here. So all right, so we

723
00:56:57.199 --> 00:57:00.800
are actually, you know, before
we started recording, we actually joked around

724
00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:05.960
about how we could literally talk about
this for a week and find that's that's

725
00:57:05.960 --> 00:57:08.480
exactly like we were. We were
anticipating like a thirty minute episode tonight.

726
00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:13.079
Yeah, sorry about just because it
is it is Friday night. It's late.

727
00:57:13.280 --> 00:57:15.119
I got a soccer game in the
morning, we have, you know,

728
00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:21.199
I got I'm refereeing in the afternoon. Yeah, you gotta flight tomorrow.

729
00:57:21.719 --> 00:57:27.079
So before we wrap things up,
Yes, one quickie hit that we

730
00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:34.079
want to do, and it revolves
around the little teaser that we throughout at

731
00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:38.159
beating of the show. So drew
details on this one. All right,

732
00:57:38.280 --> 00:57:43.440
So we did mention the Beckett interview
that we had from a couple of months

733
00:57:43.480 --> 00:57:46.000
ago. But if you check out
a couple of weeks ago when we had

734
00:57:46.079 --> 00:57:51.599
John Scanlon on the show from Denver
Card Shows, where we talked all about

735
00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:58.880
the new trimming scandal, when everybody
was when the quote unquote trap house of

736
00:57:58.920 --> 00:58:04.519
the Hobby, when that beautiful beautiful
slogan was coined forever by John. On

737
00:58:04.599 --> 00:58:07.199
the show, we talked a lot. He talked a lot about his PSA

738
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:13.440
experience and about how he was blown
off when he tried to speak with them,

739
00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:16.039
and about how he was really upset
at how he was treated. And

740
00:58:16.039 --> 00:58:21.400
you went into some pretty good detail
on that and I highly recommend you check

741
00:58:21.440 --> 00:58:24.559
out that episode. Well, I
got a phone call from John this morning

742
00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:30.239
Friday morning, are as we're recording
Friday night, the seventh, I got

743
00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:31.920
a phone call from him and I
was like, oh, this is interesting,

744
00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:35.480
and I picked up, so what's
up and he was like, Hey,

745
00:58:35.480 --> 00:58:38.079
I just wanted to let you know
that PSA reached out to me,

746
00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:43.679
and I was like about what.
I was confused. I honestly forgot that

747
00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:45.800
we had talked so much about that, And he was like, well,

748
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:51.880
they actually called and said you just
did an interview on a podcast recently about

749
00:58:51.960 --> 00:58:54.440
PSA and stuff, right, And
he's like, well, yeah, it

750
00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:59.320
was more about the trimming scandal and
everything and about how y'all treated me like

751
00:58:59.360 --> 00:59:02.280
shit, but yes I did,
yeah, and PSA wasn't the focus.

752
00:59:02.400 --> 00:59:07.119
It was more about the you know, the guy that just got arrested because

753
00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:12.840
scammed like eight hundred thousand dollars worth
of car, you know, fake car.

754
00:59:12.880 --> 00:59:15.960
Yeah, the interviews all about that. PSA was just a side thing

755
00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:21.800
where he was telling his story about
how he tried to notify people. Well,

756
00:59:21.840 --> 00:59:25.559
PSA reached out to him, spoke
to him about for about twenty minutes,

757
00:59:27.239 --> 00:59:31.239
and apologized greatly for everything that happened, assured him that you know,

758
00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:36.800
obviously the regime has changed significantly since
then. None of those people that were

759
00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:39.880
there really there anymore if they are
there not in any of those same positions,

760
00:59:40.360 --> 00:59:45.039
but spoke to him, talked to
him, got his feedback on things

761
00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:51.320
that they could do better, talked
about how they would handle social media dms

762
00:59:51.360 --> 00:59:54.719
and people bringing this stuff to their
attention in the future, and really had

763
00:59:55.119 --> 00:59:59.679
a small little focus group conversation kind
of like what back it's doing if you

764
00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:02.760
will with them and said how much
they appreciated him going on the show,

765
01:00:02.800 --> 01:00:07.840
how much they loved the interview,
and how much they wanted to help in

766
01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:12.840
the future. And I thought that
was awesome. I mean, we I

767
01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:15.000
already knew that when people at PSA
listen to the show. Look, I

768
01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:20.440
talked to him. A lot of
people at PSA listen to the show.

769
01:00:20.719 --> 01:00:24.880
Yes, yes, very and so
I'm glad. I'm glad to hear that,

770
01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:29.800
and I love to see stuff like
that. And like I said,

771
01:00:29.800 --> 01:00:31.360
again, guys, if you didn't
listen to that interview, it's one of

772
01:00:31.400 --> 01:00:35.840
my favorites of the year so far, definitely a leading contender for one of

773
01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:39.199
my favorites of the year so far. I mean, look, no disrespect

774
01:00:39.239 --> 01:00:43.079
to John, but it's only April. Yeah, I know, no,

775
01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:46.199
I agree. I agree, but
but John's got the heads up on the

776
01:00:46.239 --> 01:00:52.280
first quarter. And you know,
I just thought it was awesome that PSA

777
01:00:52.320 --> 01:00:57.320
actually reached out to him found his
information because I didn't give it to him.

778
01:00:57.000 --> 01:01:00.400
UM got his number, he didn't
give it to him, and was

779
01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:02.000
able. It's not hard look at
that he runs it. You know,

780
01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:07.280
he's a show promoter. I'm just
saying they couldn't hit him up on Instagram

781
01:01:07.320 --> 01:01:12.159
and send him some bullshit message or
send him some bs email. But the

782
01:01:12.199 --> 01:01:15.719
fact they took the time out to
actually call him and have a discussion with

783
01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:19.559
him about it and actually talk to
him about you know, what did you

784
01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:23.480
do in this process? How can
we improve this and you know, sharing

785
01:01:23.559 --> 01:01:27.639
him of you know, new safeguards
in place and things like that. I

786
01:01:27.679 --> 01:01:31.519
thought it was pretty awesome. So
yeah, I'm happy. I was pleasantly

787
01:01:31.559 --> 01:01:38.639
surprised when you sent me that this
afternoon, and you know, happy with

788
01:01:38.679 --> 01:01:40.599
the way they did it. Now, I do want to, you know,

789
01:01:40.679 --> 01:01:45.239
point out that for those of you
remember the story behind this and the

790
01:01:45.239 --> 01:01:50.800
interview and all that kind of stuff, um PSA wasn't really a fault other

791
01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:54.880
than just blowing him off. Right
for you know, DMS things like that.

792
01:01:54.880 --> 01:01:58.599
That was the only thing that they
get it wrong. Yeah, they're

793
01:01:58.639 --> 01:02:04.000
not gonna you know, somebody was
down there counterfeiting their slabs. Yeah.

794
01:02:04.119 --> 01:02:12.360
Um, it's very difficult, you
know, to say that PSA was responsible

795
01:02:12.360 --> 01:02:15.559
for that, because they're not.
No, you know, I just want

796
01:02:15.559 --> 01:02:16.039
to put it. I just want
to so, I just want to,

797
01:02:16.039 --> 01:02:21.199
you know, for those people that
are you know that ever thought that you

798
01:02:21.199 --> 01:02:23.360
know, there was an impression that
that we gave me like oh no this

799
01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:25.840
said, oh it is a PSA
scandal that no, no, no,

800
01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:29.360
no, no, no no no
no, no, no no. The

801
01:02:29.440 --> 01:02:34.400
scandal itself had nothing to do with
PSA other than the fact that the guys

802
01:02:34.400 --> 01:02:39.239
that were counterfeiting the slabs counterfeited there's
instead of somebody else's. And when they

803
01:02:39.239 --> 01:02:45.119
were provided the information, they didn't
take it. They should have outside exactly

804
01:02:45.239 --> 01:02:47.000
nothing to do with it, no, exactly. And we we did point

805
01:02:47.000 --> 01:02:52.679
out during the ship during that interview
that it was the old regime, yes

806
01:02:52.880 --> 01:02:55.800
at PSA, not the current you
know, not the current regimes run the

807
01:02:55.800 --> 01:03:00.119
company now. Um, you know, but I just don't, like I

808
01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:00.960
said, I just want to put
that out there because it's you know,

809
01:03:01.239 --> 01:03:05.519
It was not a you know when
we discussed, was not a slam on

810
01:03:05.639 --> 01:03:08.360
PSA. No, no, you
know, but there there might be some

811
01:03:08.360 --> 01:03:12.960
people out there that you know,
hear us giving the update and old PSA

812
01:03:13.079 --> 01:03:16.840
reached out and apologize. Nor Look, the only thing they had to apologize

813
01:03:16.840 --> 01:03:22.480
for was something that somebody did years
ago, and that all they did was

814
01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:27.039
just brush they guy, you know, brush off. That was it.

815
01:03:27.199 --> 01:03:30.159
But again, we're talking about people
that are probably aren't with the company ay

816
01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:35.039
and probably haven't been for several years. So you know, the fact that

817
01:03:35.039 --> 01:03:37.639
they reached out now even though it's
you know, it's all new people that

818
01:03:37.679 --> 01:03:43.440
are running a show over there.
Um, you know that apologize that,

819
01:03:43.519 --> 01:03:46.159
hey, you know, how can
we do things better and spend twenty minutes

820
01:03:46.159 --> 01:03:52.000
talking to John about it. Um. I think it says a lot as

821
01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:57.039
a company, and that's really why
I wanted to bring it up, because

822
01:03:57.079 --> 01:04:00.159
I think it does show how much
the uh, the new regime does pay

823
01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:05.440
attention to everything's going on, and
I was very happy about that. I

824
01:04:05.480 --> 01:04:11.840
do have to say, guys,
you're at the mint next time, maybe

825
01:04:11.880 --> 01:04:15.679
don't do on site grating and if
you do, uh, maybe uh stack

826
01:04:15.760 --> 01:04:19.719
yourself a little bit better because I
really don't want to have to handle y'all's

827
01:04:19.800 --> 01:04:24.480
line on Saturday, because you can't, even though we took care of it

828
01:04:24.519 --> 01:04:28.079
in about an hour. But that's
a completely different story for probably off the

829
01:04:28.159 --> 01:04:33.199
air. But yeah, that's a
private that's a private conversation. Whoever is

830
01:04:33.239 --> 01:04:38.719
responsible for that slide into the jerwisdems
and yeah, you know you guys,

831
01:04:39.280 --> 01:04:43.719
we'll we'll discuss that. I'll talk
to the right people on that later.

832
01:04:43.920 --> 01:04:47.480
But yeah, I loved I loved
hearing that. And like I said,

833
01:04:47.519 --> 01:04:51.360
that's why we do these interviews.
It's not just it's to get the attention

834
01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:55.320
to people sometimes, you know,
it's we want to tell a story.

835
01:04:55.400 --> 01:04:58.559
We wanted John's story to be out
there. But at the same time,

836
01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:02.840
you've got a major company in the
industry that's listening to that interview and just

837
01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:06.000
here's their name being brought up.
And like you said, they were not

838
01:05:06.079 --> 01:05:11.679
the focal point of this at all, but they heard something and said,

839
01:05:11.719 --> 01:05:15.159
wait a minute, we can do
better at this. Maybe we should reach

840
01:05:15.159 --> 01:05:17.079
out to this guy. And they
did and they told him. They said,

841
01:05:17.119 --> 01:05:20.079
we absolutely loved the interview. We
thought it was excellent, they said,

842
01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:24.840
but we wanted to make sure that
we talk to you, and so

843
01:05:24.920 --> 01:05:28.920
I think that's the type of that's
what I want to see. Since we

844
01:05:28.920 --> 01:05:33.519
were talking about Becketting everything before and
their disconnect from the customer and the actual

845
01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:40.119
hobbyist, here's a major example of
the difference. Yep, this company understands

846
01:05:40.199 --> 01:05:45.880
the hobbyist and the collector and wants
to reach out to them to make sure

847
01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:53.360
that everything's cool and see what they
can do better, as opposed to thinking

848
01:05:53.440 --> 01:05:59.199
they know everything and thinking they can
just ride and depend on their name and

849
01:05:59.280 --> 01:06:01.519
they can make any change they want. And people are just kind of blindly

850
01:06:01.599 --> 01:06:08.199
following because that's the that's the observation
from the other quote unquote big whatever number

851
01:06:08.239 --> 01:06:12.360
you want to call them, probably
fourth now, but you know, and

852
01:06:12.400 --> 01:06:15.079
hey, look at us, look
at us affecting change in the industry.

853
01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:19.360
I know, who would it die? It's our good it's our good.

854
01:06:19.440 --> 01:06:24.079
Date of the year it is,
and it's only April and we're knocked and

855
01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:30.039
we're tapped out. I know that's
what you guys are all screwed until January.

856
01:06:30.400 --> 01:06:35.559
Yeah, yeah, we're only look, we're only given you know,

857
01:06:35.599 --> 01:06:41.719
we're only given one of these a
year, and we used it up early,

858
01:06:43.519 --> 01:06:46.880
so we are we are out of
Fox to give. I'm sorry it

859
01:06:46.920 --> 01:06:54.000
resets resets January first, so good
luck with that. Yeah, no Fox

860
01:06:54.039 --> 01:07:00.360
and no Fox given until twenty twenty
four. And on that note, mister

861
01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:04.000
Rappaport, I think it's probably a
good time to end this week's show.

862
01:07:04.039 --> 01:07:06.639
What do you think I would agree? I gotta get over early to play

863
01:07:06.679 --> 01:07:11.679
soccer. I'm right there, or
whatever words would ever come out of my

864
01:07:11.760 --> 01:07:15.920
valve, I didn't either tell you
the truth, but hey, I like

865
01:07:16.079 --> 01:07:19.480
it. But before we go,
guys would like to, of course,

866
01:07:19.519 --> 01:07:26.360
thank our awesome sponsors. We gotta
show your slabs, Slab Strong, Denver

867
01:07:26.559 --> 01:07:30.360
card shows of course, Treasure Hunter, Sports Cards, Card Ladder, and

868
01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:35.400
our brand new sponsor, stand Up
Displays. Thank you guys so much for

869
01:07:35.480 --> 01:07:40.280
us sponsoring the show. Really looking
forward to having stand up displays on board.

870
01:07:40.559 --> 01:07:43.119
You guys will be able to check
out some of their awesome stuff and

871
01:07:43.760 --> 01:07:46.920
some of our awesome displays that we
actually will probably grab some and put some

872
01:07:47.079 --> 01:07:49.519
up for sale if you guys would
like some as well. For letter it,

873
01:07:49.679 --> 01:07:53.079
let me get that potograph of a
lot of that stuff here in the

874
01:07:53.119 --> 01:07:56.199
near future. I think you know
what I think we may we may,

875
01:07:56.239 --> 01:08:00.440
I think we may offer up some
autograph versions of those two Yes, yes,

876
01:08:00.599 --> 01:08:02.119
definite. Well yeah, well we'll
sign you know, I say,

877
01:08:02.119 --> 01:08:04.199
well, we'll have the regular versions
up and then you know, if you

878
01:08:04.199 --> 01:08:09.000
guys want autograph versions of that,
we are glad to do that. Yeah,

879
01:08:09.039 --> 01:08:12.719
we're gonna do some really fun stuff
with that. And I will say

880
01:08:12.800 --> 01:08:16.159
there's a couple of things that works
in the pipeline that we're very excited about

881
01:08:16.239 --> 01:08:20.439
as we make the road now from
April until the end of July beginning of

882
01:08:20.520 --> 01:08:25.079
August for the nationals, and really
cool stuff coming up that you guys are

883
01:08:25.199 --> 01:08:29.960
not gonna want to miss. But
very glad to welcome stand up displays on

884
01:08:30.039 --> 01:08:33.199
board to all of our awesome sponsors. Once again, thank you guys so

885
01:08:33.279 --> 01:08:38.319
much. Of course, new episode
of letter Rip will be out next week.

886
01:08:38.439 --> 01:08:41.239
We have an episode Live from the
Mint. If you didn't get a

887
01:08:41.279 --> 01:08:45.000
chance to check it out with Jeff
Hoffer from Panini, he was able to

888
01:08:45.079 --> 01:08:47.000
join me. Make sure to check
that episode out if you haven't. As

889
01:08:47.000 --> 01:08:50.239
a giveaway, we'll be put up
this week, but you must watch the

890
01:08:50.279 --> 01:08:54.680
episode otherwise you won't know how to
get in the giveaway, so make sure

891
01:08:54.680 --> 01:08:58.640
to check that out as well.
Another new episode will come back next week

892
01:08:58.680 --> 01:09:02.920
when I'm back from floor with Revolution
Soccer, which Scott has some great luck

893
01:09:02.960 --> 01:09:08.800
with. We'll see how Oh yeah, hopefully mine's as good as his was,

894
01:09:10.560 --> 01:09:15.399
but you hope, so I hope, so, yes, that episode

895
01:09:15.439 --> 01:09:19.000
will be up. And then also, of course Hobby Hotline every single Saturday

896
01:09:19.119 --> 01:09:24.199
and then the first Tuesday of every
month is instead of every Tuesday, it's

897
01:09:24.199 --> 01:09:28.119
gonna be the first Tuesday of every
month and then every Saturday as usual.

898
01:09:28.880 --> 01:09:31.159
But yeah, so a lot of
awesome stuff coming up, guys, But

899
01:09:31.279 --> 01:09:34.680
Scott always a pleasure to do the
show man. I'm glad to be back.

900
01:09:35.319 --> 01:09:39.760
Yeah, enjoy Florida. We'll talk
when you get back. Absolutely,

901
01:09:39.880 --> 01:09:43.199
we'll tell then, guys, you
know the deal. Keep ripping those packs,

902
01:09:43.439 --> 01:09:45.800
pulling those hits. We'll talk to
you then. Pace