WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.520 --> 00:00:06.719 This is the baseline, discussing the hot button topics of the nb A. 2 00:00:07.160 --> 00:00:11.640 Welcome everybody, your tune to the baseline. Cali Warrenshaw discussing the hot button 3 00:00:11.679 --> 00:00:17.760 topics of the NBA back and add it again doing our coveted autopsy reports. 4 00:00:18.359 --> 00:00:25.359 The boy Cali aka doctor kill Patients, and my man, uh the most 5 00:00:25.399 --> 00:00:31.160 knowledgeable one, the doctor Shivago of basketball a man Christin Warrenshaw rapping out of 6 00:00:31.160 --> 00:00:34.679 Fort Lauderdale, Florida, joining me as always, brother, what is good? 7 00:00:34.719 --> 00:00:39.719 What's happening? We are now fully embedded in spring, so it's time 8 00:00:39.759 --> 00:00:43.119 for us to spring into action as we continue to body up some of these 9 00:00:43.119 --> 00:00:47.520 teams and are coveted at autopsy reports, zip them all the way up here, 10 00:00:47.520 --> 00:00:50.200 and just doing a little spring cleaning, you know, on our end, 11 00:00:50.200 --> 00:00:53.280 getting these bodies up out of here and getting out of here pretty early 12 00:00:53.560 --> 00:00:57.399 for us. I'm excited to talk about these two teams because they have some 13 00:00:57.640 --> 00:01:00.359 they have some they have something that they should be excited about it in terms 14 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:03.920 of like future stars or potential stars already in the making, if you will, 15 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:06.920 And I'm interested to see what fans and listeners have to say about that. 16 00:01:06.959 --> 00:01:08.840 But they did not have good seasons this year, so here they are 17 00:01:08.879 --> 00:01:12.040 on the slab, ready to take a list. Your level of optimism is 18 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:18.959 quite refreshing. At least I can say that for one team, because what 19 00:01:19.079 --> 00:01:22.120 did our guy Tyler? He called me benevolent the other day and I was 20 00:01:22.120 --> 00:01:23.159 like, wow, look at you know the F cat word there. But 21 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:26.120 uh, you know, I'm trying to trying to be optimistic. I was 22 00:01:26.120 --> 00:01:29.200 a little I was a little bit of a downer last week, so, 23 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:30.760 you know, trying to bring it out business. I can definitely hear it 24 00:01:30.799 --> 00:01:34.200 in your voice. It seems like now that you're around the dead a little 25 00:01:34.239 --> 00:01:37.640 bit more, you seem to be a little bit more lively. Oh, 26 00:01:37.640 --> 00:01:42.359 by the way, are you excited for Beetle Juice twenty twenty four? A 27 00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:47.120 d Yeah. They could have just kept that in their back pocket, but 28 00:01:47.200 --> 00:01:49.799 uh, you know whatever, And like I said, maybe we could lose. 29 00:01:51.319 --> 00:01:53.959 Wasn't a beetlejuice guy to begin with. So that's why I'm not excited 30 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:57.439 to see I say our podcast name three times man who knows what you know? 31 00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:05.120 Who knows? Isn't that how it always starts? Though it's always it 32 00:02:05.239 --> 00:02:07.639 always winds up being you got to say something like three times for it for 33 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:13.520 you to start raising holy Hell. So that's what it basically takes for us 34 00:02:13.560 --> 00:02:16.360 to raise Holy Hell in the podcast game. Anyway, we appreciate you and 35 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:19.719 yours for hopping on board with us this week. Be sure to get up 36 00:02:19.719 --> 00:02:23.840 my man at Shaw Sports NBA or get at me a game face Leader Shows 37 00:02:23.840 --> 00:02:25.919 twinnan NBA basedline available on all the major platforms. You know where to find 38 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:30.840 is go to www dot the Baseline NBA dot com to check out this episode 39 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:34.759 and all of our previous episodes. And if you see us on the YouTube 40 00:02:34.840 --> 00:02:38.759 channel, definitely hit us up give us a subscribe. 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And 50 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:23.120 it's it's hard to say that the team you can assess properly when their star 51 00:03:23.240 --> 00:03:28.280 player is virtually on the slabs on let's say, on the men. You 52 00:03:28.280 --> 00:03:30.080 know, the team is on the slab, but he is on the men. 53 00:03:31.080 --> 00:03:35.319 But I think the first thing that we have to really address, right, 54 00:03:35.400 --> 00:03:37.520 like the thing that we have to call out the elephant in the room 55 00:03:37.520 --> 00:03:40.400 about this shaw is this is again another year in which they do not have 56 00:03:40.479 --> 00:03:46.560 their star fully healthy through the stretch of a regular season. And while all 57 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:51.240 eyes are on the talent of LaMelo Ball and what his potential could be and 58 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:57.240 what everyone has been hoping for, let's not act like this is something that 59 00:03:57.280 --> 00:04:01.319 has to be taken into consideration. If you're Mitch cup Check, if you're 60 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:04.680 Steve Clifford, you know they choose to keep him around. Like, what 61 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:10.360 are we speaking of now when we say the future of the Charlotte Hornets, 62 00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:15.839 when we say has to rest upon the health of LaMelo Ball, I mean 63 00:04:15.839 --> 00:04:19.120 it absolutely does. I think that you can't talk about this Hornet's team without 64 00:04:19.279 --> 00:04:23.519 talking about LaMelo and the fact that he's only played fifty eight games in the 65 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:27.360 last two years. They, for whatever reason not that I saw, have 66 00:04:27.480 --> 00:04:30.879 not officially ruled him out for the rest of this season, whatever fourteen games 67 00:04:30.959 --> 00:04:33.759 left or whatever it is. But he hasn't played since January or whatever it 68 00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:36.560 is. He's done. He's not coming back, and there's no reason for 69 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:40.680 that to happen. And I think now you have to really think about what 70 00:04:40.839 --> 00:04:45.800 is the evaluation of their medical staff and his body, what's what continues to 71 00:04:45.839 --> 00:04:46.879 happen. He doesn't want to be heard, he's not trying to be heard. 72 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:51.360 But that's the reality of their situation now. To me, as optimistic 73 00:04:51.399 --> 00:04:56.560 as I was saying coming into the outset, if he's not around, then 74 00:04:56.600 --> 00:05:00.399 there's not a whole lot here unfortunately, Like that's just the reality of this 75 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:03.240 here too. While good player, bad human, you know, in terms 76 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:08.560 of Miles Bridges, sure can he score? Can he rebound a little bit 77 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:12.519 and do some things for you? Absolutely? And if that's who they're hitching 78 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:15.720 their wagon to, then that then that's their business. So from a talent 79 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:17.879 standpoint, he gives them a little bit of something there, but it doesn't 80 00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:21.879 it goes nowhere without LaMelo being there, like absolutely nowhere. And this is 81 00:05:21.920 --> 00:05:25.920 a lot of rebound team. And while they're taking a couple of swings, 82 00:05:25.920 --> 00:05:29.680 that's some you know, youthful talent and Trey Mann and you know Pokasewski from 83 00:05:29.680 --> 00:05:31.920 from okc Uh. None of these guys are sloted as like, oh my 84 00:05:31.959 --> 00:05:34.079 god, I can't wait to have them in here. And you know they're 85 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:38.079 going to elevate this team to being at least in them playing contention next year. 86 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:41.720 So it starts an end with LaMelo and whatever they decide to do with 87 00:05:41.759 --> 00:05:46.519 Bridges and the draft picks. Because of what you just said in regards to 88 00:05:46.600 --> 00:05:53.040 Miles Bridges. Do you think that the Charlotte Hornets elected to keep Mile Bridges 89 00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:57.120 around more because of what they potentially saw with him and LaMelo Ball, or 90 00:05:57.160 --> 00:06:00.000 do you think that this is more about LaMelo Ball's influence about wanting to keep 91 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:04.560 Miles Bridges because I find it interesting. Look, you know, I don't 92 00:06:04.920 --> 00:06:09.000 the fact that he scores a little almost twenty two points a game is not 93 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:13.199 anything to sniff at, but part of my thought process was is when you 94 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:17.120 brought Brandon Miller onto this team. This essentially was you hitting the reset button 95 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:21.439 and the potential about what this could look like if you had a combination of 96 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:26.879 LaMelo Ball and Brandon Miller. Now, granted, Brandon Miller's had his struggles, 97 00:06:27.360 --> 00:06:29.920 He's had his ups and down so far this year, but you can 98 00:06:29.920 --> 00:06:31.519 clearly tell Look, I don't think it's a far lead from a guy who's 99 00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:35.720 almost averaging seventeen points per game to get you somewhere between twenty one twenty two. 100 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:41.000 I think the question is if if Miles Bridges was that much of a 101 00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:46.040 problem, so to speak, someone who's focus seemed clearly more off the court, 102 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:48.839 then the focus should be about what he could give you on the court. 103 00:06:48.839 --> 00:06:53.120 And it's going to be a while before we even see that aspect of 104 00:06:53.160 --> 00:06:56.839 his life or the aspect of his game, so to speak. Then my 105 00:06:56.959 --> 00:07:00.000 question is is what's influencing why the Charlotte Hornet is sitting fully hit the reset 106 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:04.879 button when the opportunity presented itself with Moles Bridges. Yeah, I mean, 107 00:07:04.920 --> 00:07:09.160 I think it's a great question in terms of they didn't know going into this 108 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:12.560 year exactly what Brandon Miller was going to be, and maybe they had some 109 00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:15.920 conversations with mister Bridges as well too to kind of like, all right, 110 00:07:15.959 --> 00:07:17.519 well, because he has what he has a qualifying offer, right, so 111 00:07:17.560 --> 00:07:20.319 he doesn't have a new extension, so he's basically playing this year route to 112 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:23.560 say, hey, well let me show you what I can do and now 113 00:07:23.600 --> 00:07:27.040 we'll probably get some sort of a lucrative offer potentially to stay. They could 114 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:29.639 have tried to move him at the deadline, none of that kind of came 115 00:07:29.680 --> 00:07:32.279 into play. They elected to keep him for all for the presumable reasons that 116 00:07:32.399 --> 00:07:35.079 they want him to be here long term, and LaMelo probably wants him to 117 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:38.399 be here there long term. So you're right. I think, you know, 118 00:07:38.439 --> 00:07:43.879 Brandon, Miller, LaMelo and Bridges are an interesting three. Un offensive 119 00:07:43.920 --> 00:07:46.600 minded, you know Front's three. It's like it's kind of like when you're 120 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:49.720 doing forensics, like, oh, this is something interesting. You know that 121 00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:55.360 that I didn't see this bullet hole. I mean there's underneath, there's something 122 00:07:55.519 --> 00:08:00.959 there, but primarily offensively, and I think that the respect of that too. 123 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:03.879 As you mentioned Clifford before, and Clifford has not truly been an offensive 124 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:07.199 minded coach. So like their skill sets don't necessarily play to what his coaching 125 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:09.759 skill set is, and I think they're gonna to figure out a way to 126 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:13.519 marry that or you know, we do a lot of teams do get the 127 00:08:13.959 --> 00:08:16.680 proverbial assistance on the sign lines that have those specialties and you have, you 128 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:20.720 know, an offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator and that type of stuff as well 129 00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:24.639 too. So to me, Brandon Miller, Bridges, and LaMelo are are 130 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:28.319 solid. And then whatever I said, whatever they end up doing in the 131 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:31.199 draft, everything else on this roster, I think they're more or less taking 132 00:08:31.240 --> 00:08:35.120 flyers on. You know, got Grant Williams from Dallas and traded PJ Washington 133 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:39.320 where we talked about tree Man and Pocoteski. Their bigs have not really not 134 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:43.679 had the years that they think they that they wanted to have. And Nick 135 00:08:43.759 --> 00:08:46.000 Richards and Mark Williams, both of those guys have battled injuries and been in 136 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:48.799 all the line up. I don't think we've seen Williams since I don't know, 137 00:08:48.919 --> 00:08:52.759 like maybe November December. I can't remember if this guy even played this 138 00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:54.559 year. You know, after coming off coming on the scene and having a 139 00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:58.639 pretty good start in the first fifteen or twenty games, or so. And 140 00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:00.759 then outside of that, like I said, it's just tough. You know, 141 00:09:00.919 --> 00:09:03.759 Davias Berton's you know, non guaranteed, like what are you really going 142 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:07.799 to do with that contract long term? So this is a situation where they've 143 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:11.519 got to figure out what they want to be on both sides of the basketball. 144 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:15.720 Because even though we've kind of lot at Clifford's potential defensive chops here, 145 00:09:15.879 --> 00:09:18.399 that hasn't translated to them being a good defensive team. And they're not even 146 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:22.480 in the top fifteen, if you will, so just league average in almost 147 00:09:22.519 --> 00:09:26.480 any significant statistical category. They're in the bottom half of that and mostly in 148 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:30.840 the bottom third of the of the league in almost anything that that matters when 149 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:33.080 it comes to statistics. So a lot of growth growth here, but it 150 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:39.039 starts with the mellow ball being actually on the list. It's weird because you 151 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:43.279 look at this team roster and this is a relatively young team. Shaw, 152 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:48.600 you can make the comparisons that you know, this team can be what maybe 153 00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:54.840 top top five, top six as far as you know, you know, 154 00:09:54.879 --> 00:10:00.440 the average age of this team being among one of the younger teams, you 155 00:10:00.480 --> 00:10:03.919 know, Cody Martin, I think is like twenty eight on this team, 156 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:11.039 you know, or something like that. So this team has a very has 157 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:16.559 an extended learning curve. Let's use that terminology for them, which again then 158 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:20.519 brings this question to Steve Clifford to the forefront. It's still Steve Clifford, 159 00:10:20.559 --> 00:10:28.480 the right person that you want for this kind of youthfulness to extract the level 160 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:35.919 of talent expectations that I think cup Check has put together with this roster, 161 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:41.639 right, and I understand that like a lot of this dynamic has been impacted 162 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:46.879 since Michael Jordan has exited stage left. But I think now we can finally 163 00:10:46.919 --> 00:10:50.320 say this is really on cup Check, and this is really on cup Check's 164 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:56.000 decision making about what the organization from top to bottom wants to do in giving 165 00:10:56.039 --> 00:11:00.440 people the interpretation about what this team wants to be in the next three to 166 00:11:00.519 --> 00:11:03.360 five years. And I mean, these are the core years based on if 167 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:07.559 your belief is in LaMelo Ball, if your belief is in cup Check's ability 168 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:11.559 to scout the right talent and put the pieces together that they can collectively become 169 00:11:11.679 --> 00:11:18.440 whole, right, you know, Well, I mean, but the well, 170 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:20.080 the other aspect of it too is that cup Check is also stepping down 171 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:22.840 right, so that that announcement came and it kind of was like almost like 172 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:26.919 a news dumps. I feel like it happened around All Star or shortly thereafter, 173 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:31.039 So, you know, he's not intended to be here. He might 174 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:33.279 be taking I think he might be taking some sort of advisory role, so 175 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:37.240 to speak, but he's not looking to be the general manager. You know 176 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:39.360 what that also says to me, Shaw, That basically says to me that 177 00:11:39.639 --> 00:11:46.039 if he's taking an advisory role, his advice is still going to be resonant 178 00:11:46.360 --> 00:11:50.200 and even whoever else comes on board, right, I'm more curious about whether 179 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:54.759 or not there is transparency to the idea that cup check no longer wants those 180 00:11:54.840 --> 00:12:00.399 responsibilities. Therefore he's going to put somebody else that the organization going to put 181 00:12:00.440 --> 00:12:05.399 somebody else in place. Is that person going to be independent of and really 182 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:11.720 kind of carve out what he believes should be the real culture of how Charlotte 183 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:15.720 Hornett basketball needs to be played or is he just gonna be another puppet string 184 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:18.039 to the idea that cupchick just doesn't want to deal with the business anymore. 185 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:20.600 He doesn't want to get his hands dirty in this anymore. He doesn't want 186 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:24.919 to get thrown the mud, getting thrown for what he hasn't been able to 187 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:28.559 achieve in doing. And I think that to me is gonna speak loudly when 188 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:33.320 we see what takes place in this offseason, because no matter what you do, 189 00:12:33.360 --> 00:12:35.600 Shaw, even if you bring somebody new in to assume the role of 190 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:39.440 what cup Check is doing, if he's gonna have an imprint on this, 191 00:12:39.480 --> 00:12:41.200 it means he's gonna have to clean house on the roster that cup Check is 192 00:12:41.240 --> 00:12:46.799 put together. So we already ready to give up on that when you've already 193 00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:50.240 basically given up the house sort of speak to put yourself in this position to 194 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:54.240 get LaMelo Ball, to have gotten Miles Bridges, to have gotten Brandon Miller, 195 00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:58.279 and then when the opportunity presents of you threw money at Graham, you 196 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:03.480 threw money at Rose, you threw money at Hayward, and now you're only 197 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:05.879 now starting to clean house. It's just kind of interesting how these things are 198 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:11.720 intersecting with themselves. Well, I mean, I think you're your point though, 199 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:15.279 is will he be there? The answer to that is no again advisor 200 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:16.639 role, And then I think that does bring up the longer, larger question 201 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:20.799 for Clifford as well too, And I think at this stage this has been, 202 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:24.279 you know, a failed return and failed experiment. And I don't think 203 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:28.679 Steve there's a lack of effort in any capacity on that. But I think 204 00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:33.879 we both questioned that coming in, Why this is a guy you fired whatever 205 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:35.919 it was two years previous to that, then you bring it back. It 206 00:13:35.039 --> 00:13:37.840 just it just did. None of it made sense and it just hasn't worked. 207 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:41.240 Yes, the injuries are a huge part of that, unfortunately, but 208 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:46.000 now you've got to turn that proverbial page and ultimately come with the decision. 209 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:50.039 And the one good thing I can say about this season as well too is 210 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:52.559 that, well, in some ways they've picked a youthful direction in some ways, 211 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:56.480 right Bridges, I don't know how old his Bridges twenty five, twenty 212 00:13:56.519 --> 00:14:01.440 six, so still within the proverbial timeline. But if they got off Rogier, 213 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:05.879 they got off off of Hayward. Those are two big deals that didn't 214 00:14:05.879 --> 00:14:09.879 really make sense for even their timeline and even their talent level. Now you're 215 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:13.519 starting to try to reset and see what happens, but you're one thousand percent 216 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:18.399 correct. The general management and the coaching position of the Seed is probably going 217 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:20.320 to be whatever. Whenever the season ends, you know that it will be 218 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:24.679 like that Black Monday in the NFL. The Clifford will probably be out of 219 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:28.720 there, or they'll he'll gracefully resign, you know what I mean. Maybe 220 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:30.759 they won't fire us, they ride them back in the way it is. 221 00:14:30.919 --> 00:14:35.919 I would like, yeah, like for him to mutually agree that if the 222 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:39.480 direction of this team does not comport with the way that he wants to coach 223 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:43.320 this basketball team, that he should step aside. And I think this is 224 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:46.519 a great opportunity. And I know we've got a couple other things we want 225 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:48.519 to get into with regards to the Hornets, but I think this is a 226 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:54.399 great opportunity to highlight Shaw. We're starting to see something different now. I 227 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:58.919 believe that we're kind of starting to turn the corner where we're bringing in from 228 00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:05.399 sure voices who and and and are extending themselves a little bit more, showing 229 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:07.720 a little bit level of patience. And I think it's starting to bear fruit. 230 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:13.759 Right, look at Willie Green, look at doganaw look at uh uh 231 00:15:15.519 --> 00:15:22.279 Darko out in Toronto, right, I feel like a lot of great guys 232 00:15:22.279 --> 00:15:26.240 and I think especially in this this this this era right now that we're dealing 233 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:30.919 with the offensive movement of basketball, I think we're seeing that they're starting to 234 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:33.399 kind of squeeze a couple of guys in there that I really think are gonna 235 00:15:33.399 --> 00:15:35.480 be helpful. Let's keep it, let's keep it one hundred. While there's 236 00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:39.879 still conversations about trying to be a defensive minded type thing. The NBA doesn't 237 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:43.799 want to go backwards to a point where the game becomes so sluggish, So 238 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:46.559 I think that there's gonna be something of a happy medium and balance. What 239 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:50.840 I want to see more of is those guys who are showing their innovativeness, 240 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:54.960 their innovation to what you have, especially if you've got younger players that have 241 00:15:56.080 --> 00:15:58.679 the capabilities to execute in that kind of way, and the warrants are in 242 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:02.320 a possosition to do that. Now, whether or not they pull the trigger 243 00:16:02.360 --> 00:16:04.159 on doing it. To your point, show and to what we were saying, 244 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:11.360 really comes down to the executive part of the organization recognizing that they are 245 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:15.080 going to have to get younger, even with the mentality of the culture that 246 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:19.720 they're trying to build around for the Hornets. Yeah, So, I mean, 247 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:22.360 we always have to talk about the finances right, So one hundred and 248 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:26.840 sixteen million dollars in committed salary next year. You know, they have team 249 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:30.200 options on guys like Mark Williams, Trey Mann, you know, Evin jt 250 00:16:30.360 --> 00:16:36.399 Thor shown some things as well. Probably pick those things up and you know, 251 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:38.720 carry the season out for you just because you want to have the proverbial 252 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:41.960 bodies. But then what is the extension that that you give Bridges at what 253 00:16:42.080 --> 00:16:48.440 number do you bring him back that you're comfortable understanding that LaMelo's max contract kicks 254 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:51.039 in next year will be making thirty five million dollars is one thing to be 255 00:16:51.039 --> 00:16:53.279 on the rookie scale, right, and you know, playing twenty five to 256 00:16:53.399 --> 00:16:57.000 thirty five games a season now when you're going to pay thirty five million and 257 00:16:57.039 --> 00:17:00.799 at the end of this contract forty six to forty eight million dollars, that's 258 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:03.960 that's gotta you gotta be there. You got to be on the damn basketball 259 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:07.799 court. So they have some big financial decisions to make here, especially in 260 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:12.079 the case of Bridges, but then even some of those supplemental pieces as I 261 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:15.839 mentioned in Williams and trey manner, you know, what are the options that 262 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:18.680 you'd want to pick up or you know, do you try to thin this 263 00:17:18.720 --> 00:17:21.920 out some even some more and see what you can do? And we know 264 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:25.759 they haven't been traditionally been a free agent destination unless they're going to throw money 265 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:29.200 at somebody aka like how they did for Gordon Hayward. And this isn't a 266 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:32.160 great free agent class. So to me, I think you did everything that 267 00:17:32.200 --> 00:17:36.680 you just said, right, Cup checkers out, Clifford gracefully bows out. 268 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:38.519 Maybe you get a young, you know, hot shot coach to kind of 269 00:17:38.519 --> 00:17:41.799 come in here and try to boost up the offense if you will get them 270 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:45.359 kind of learning and trying to play the right way. And then you fill 271 00:17:45.400 --> 00:17:47.960 the roster out for this year, which this next year which would be another 272 00:17:47.960 --> 00:17:49.759 growing year. But really see what you have in Brandon Miller now too? 273 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:55.559 And is he the number two? Is he the number three? Can he 274 00:17:55.599 --> 00:17:57.640 coexist with Bridges? You know? I meaning kind of code number two roles 275 00:17:57.759 --> 00:18:00.960 assuming LaMelo is healthy, and I think it's a growth here for their Wholene's 276 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:04.680 going your tunes to the baseline CALLI warned Shot discussing the hot button topics of 277 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:11.039 the NB A couple of points I guess you know before we properly eulogize this 278 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:14.640 team. Shot Like, so when you look at this roster, right, 279 00:18:15.400 --> 00:18:18.839 if we were gonna believe that this roster, from a young, youthful side 280 00:18:18.880 --> 00:18:25.039 of things, has the potential to have a breakout, who should we be 281 00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:27.799 paying attention to? Who are you saying, yo, man, I don't 282 00:18:27.799 --> 00:18:32.640 want to throw any more dirt on your name and on your game. So 283 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:34.920 in this off season, I need you to be on one. I need 284 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:40.640 you to come back looking like a completely different person who's gonna have an initial 285 00:18:40.720 --> 00:18:44.319 impact for this team, for this roster, for us to buy in, 286 00:18:44.720 --> 00:18:48.920 you know, whether or not this Hornet's team is gonna take strides, especially 287 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:52.599 if they're anticipating a fully healthy Lamello ball and they're obviously, you know, 288 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:56.240 gonna have an improved Brandon Miller, and you know you're gonna get what you 289 00:18:56.240 --> 00:19:00.720 get from Miles Bridges. But who out of out of oh, those are 290 00:19:00.759 --> 00:19:03.920 the three are we saying? You know what, homie, I need you 291 00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:07.400 to take that next step? Well, it's interesting, is again the easiest 292 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:11.200 answer in terms of who they need is Brandon Miller? Right, Like, 293 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:14.720 you need that just that gradual progression coming and seeing into second year or third 294 00:19:14.799 --> 00:19:17.440 year et cetera, et cetera. But I think it's honestly the position that 295 00:19:17.440 --> 00:19:19.559 they've had a lot of problem with, and that's at that five and that 296 00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:22.200 five man and we've just talked about, you know, Mark Williams, Nick 297 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:26.519 Richards, which one of those two guys is the guy you know who's going 298 00:19:26.599 --> 00:19:29.720 to be willing to kind of step in there and say, listen, I'm 299 00:19:29.720 --> 00:19:32.400 a double double threat every single night. No, you don't have to be 300 00:19:32.440 --> 00:19:34.359 twenty and ten, but can you be twelve and ten? I mean, 301 00:19:34.480 --> 00:19:38.440 just consistently be there, not necessarily even as a post presence, but as 302 00:19:38.440 --> 00:19:41.480 a lab threat or where the case to be, put backs energy big whatever 303 00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:45.480 it is. I think most of those two guys have been They just haven't 304 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:48.519 been healthy enough to kind of really give the horness what they've needed to man 305 00:19:48.559 --> 00:19:52.839 that middle. I mean, and they've always been talking about this since the 306 00:19:52.839 --> 00:19:56.079 Plumbley days or whatever the case to be. They just haven't had consistency at 307 00:19:56.079 --> 00:19:57.680 that five spot. So, you know, with with Mark Williams being the 308 00:19:57.759 --> 00:20:02.039 younger of the two, and he had earned the starting position, and I 309 00:20:02.319 --> 00:20:04.119 speaking about it from a fantasy standpoint, ironically, like he was a guy 310 00:20:04.119 --> 00:20:07.400 who was like, Yo, watch him, there's nobody else really worthy there, 311 00:20:07.400 --> 00:20:10.279 and then he just got hurt and hasn't been there. To me, 312 00:20:10.400 --> 00:20:12.799 those are the two guys, even if they are even if they end up 313 00:20:12.799 --> 00:20:15.440 splitting minutes down the middle twenty four minutes a night over the case of what 314 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:18.480 are they getting at? Can they get eight and eight, you know, 315 00:20:18.519 --> 00:20:21.200 out of those guys on a regular basis, And I think that'd be an 316 00:20:21.240 --> 00:20:25.880 amazing progression for both of them and be a great benefit to to LaMelo specifically, 317 00:20:26.200 --> 00:20:29.400 you know, if he's hoisting shots or all having a dump off threat, 318 00:20:29.400 --> 00:20:30.160 if he's driving you know what you mean, to get into the dunker 319 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:33.880 spot. Those are things that those two guys can potentially do, and they 320 00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:36.920 just got to put in the work this offseason. Who do you have who 321 00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:42.119 do you think has the most confidence to really, I guess kind of elevate 322 00:20:44.039 --> 00:20:51.039 the team between the three, between ball, between bridges, between Miller. 323 00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:55.200 I'm leaning a little bit more on Miller because I really feel like he has 324 00:20:55.279 --> 00:21:00.319 a more sound, mechanically polished game where he can you know, rests ablish 325 00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:03.319 the fact that the Hornets can hit a jump shot. He can you know, 326 00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:06.799 really you know, open up the floor a little bit better, and 327 00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:10.960 it could mean in some respects that Miles Bridges might have to take a back 328 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:14.720 seat, you know, if LaMelo Ball is out there. But I also 329 00:21:14.759 --> 00:21:18.079 say LaMelo Ball and his ability to pick the you know, to to to 330 00:21:18.119 --> 00:21:22.519 pick up the pace, you know, to get them out open more in 331 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:26.440 transition, that definitely plays more to Miles Bridges. So I'm just curious, 332 00:21:26.680 --> 00:21:30.319 you know, who you think really will thrive more when that opportunity presents itself 333 00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:34.720 and then we see all three of these guys on the court together. Well, 334 00:21:34.759 --> 00:21:40.240 I mean, it's an interesting question because I think the playmaking responsibilities fall 335 00:21:40.279 --> 00:21:42.839 with LaMelo and so the elevation, if you will, of all players, 336 00:21:42.960 --> 00:21:47.359 all things, you know, the the what is it, the the tide 337 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:48.759 that lifts all ships or whatever the case it be, has to be LaMelo 338 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:52.680 in that capacity. So he's the one who can take less shots, you 339 00:21:52.680 --> 00:21:56.359 know, can rebound the basketball and push it on the break and throw all 340 00:21:56.359 --> 00:21:59.720 off the bridges if so it be, or secondary break, have Brandon Miller 341 00:21:59.720 --> 00:22:02.160 fill in the you know, on the corner and maybe pop a three. 342 00:22:02.519 --> 00:22:04.640 To me, he's him and his health are the key to what the Hornets 343 00:22:04.640 --> 00:22:08.519 do. Regardless, but it's also so much of the aspect of what he 344 00:22:08.599 --> 00:22:14.279 means to everybody else, not just what he brings statistically by himself. There's 345 00:22:14.319 --> 00:22:18.000 no other a guy on this team that can elevate everybody's skill level and get 346 00:22:18.039 --> 00:22:22.079 them open shots in the way that LaMelo can. And there's I mean truly 347 00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:23.039 he has. He has a special skill set. There's not a lot of 348 00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:26.319 players in the league that can do that, but for this team specifically. 349 00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:30.559 Listen, Trey Man and I can't say the the Europeans name meet Hits or 350 00:22:30.599 --> 00:22:33.799 whatever. Uh, those aren't the guys, you know what I mean. 351 00:22:33.799 --> 00:22:37.839 And I think Trey Man's a good basketball player. Love him in a backup 352 00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:41.759 role potentially, you know, behind LaMelo, But it has to be LaMelo 353 00:22:41.799 --> 00:22:47.160 who's out here bringing, bringing the energy and allowing everybody to be better than 354 00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:52.000 what they would be without him on the basketball right Charlotte Hornets probably are gonna 355 00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:56.960 wind up mm hmm, maybe twenty wins this year. Shaw, I'm kind 356 00:22:56.960 --> 00:23:00.880 of I'm picking the under on that. Right now, they're sitting with seventeen 357 00:23:02.440 --> 00:23:04.000 with what a handful of games left to go, like fourteen. I think 358 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:07.559 you said earlier at fourteen fifteen games left to go. Yeah, they got 359 00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:11.319 twelve. I'm not feeling confident that they're gonna wind up, you know, 360 00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:15.440 getting the twenty. But if they do, I would think that that at 361 00:23:15.519 --> 00:23:21.400 least, you know, give give coach Steve Clifford a good send off like 362 00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:25.079 this. Don't be hovering around like, you know, among one of the 363 00:23:25.079 --> 00:23:27.640 worst worst teams in the NBA in NBA history, you know what I mean? 364 00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:33.799 So all right, Cali Warrenshaw basedline NBA podcast coming up, We're gonna 365 00:23:33.799 --> 00:23:37.200 be talking about the San Antonio Spurs. 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And I don't know, given the way 409 00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:56.079 everyone is in a fervor about Victor Weinbanyana and you know, you know, 410 00:26:56.160 --> 00:27:00.400 the next generational levels to the way he plays this game of bass football, 411 00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:03.480 we may not be talking about the San Antonio Spurs come next year the way 412 00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:07.359 that we do, burying them, the way that we do, eulogizing him 413 00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:15.000 the way that we do because of the Wemby well, you're optimistic there. 414 00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:18.680 I think, did I play it up really well? Because I played it 415 00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:23.039 really well. That was trying to sell myself so much on the idea that 416 00:27:23.079 --> 00:27:29.240 everyone believes that he is going to suddenly turn this team into like a forty 417 00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:33.880 five win team come next year. Yeah, I mean not not not so 418 00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:41.160 fast. I think we'll continue to see his growth potential to be defensive Player 419 00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:42.680 of the Year next year. They won't have enough wins for him to be 420 00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:47.759 in the MVP race, but he'll be putting up MVP type numbers, assuming 421 00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:49.640 he gets off these minutes restrictions and things like that. Like he's he's a 422 00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:53.519 real deal, and I think you can't gush enough about how amazing he's been 423 00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:57.519 this season and been just delivered on everything that we have hoped for and again 424 00:27:57.599 --> 00:28:06.240 inlimited minutes. Specif it's the others that makes you very concerned about next year's 425 00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:11.759 prospect, they are not quite sure what they're doing with Keil Non Johnson, 426 00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:15.359 and I don't think he's had the bounce back that they would have hoped he 427 00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:18.559 would have had in various roles, whether he's coming off the bench or starting. 428 00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:22.079 While Devin vacill Is somebody who they seem to be attached to in some 429 00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:26.279 ways. I don't know that he's it. Obviously, they love Sohan and 430 00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:29.839 he's been a nice I think, you know, middle piece for that there's 431 00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:33.359 continued to develop, but he still has limitations, especially offensively. The Spurs 432 00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:37.400 don't really know who they are just yet. They just know they have this 433 00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:41.839 amazing foundational piece and now they got to figure out how they fill in around 434 00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:45.920 it. And that doesn't seem like a likely thing that they'll be able to 435 00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:49.440 do just over the course of this summer, and that that makes me very 436 00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:52.559 concerned. In addition to the fact that, as I could continue to allude 437 00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:57.000 to, it's not an amazing free agent class. Biggest names that could potentially 438 00:28:57.039 --> 00:29:00.400 come to them Tobias Hair, so we talked about, you know, last 439 00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:03.680 week, maybe if he were return to Detroit or something like that too. 440 00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:07.400 Maybe Demarta Rozen who's obviously had a tour of duty with Greg Popovich and San 441 00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:11.960 Antonio. But that's not it's getting them closer to being competitive, which is 442 00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:15.039 what Wenby needs, but it doesn't put them in the in the throes of 443 00:29:15.079 --> 00:29:18.920 the playing conversation. I think next year either, and I think that's what 444 00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:22.680 it is. Like they need to decide, now, how fast do we 445 00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:25.519 want to get there? How fast is realistic for us to get there? 446 00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:27.839 You know, with Wenby in tow as I said before, I use anaja, 447 00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:30.880 Hey, he's a Ferrari and he's ready to ride, but you may 448 00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:36.400 not have the requisite ability to drive as fast as you want to because the 449 00:29:36.759 --> 00:29:40.400 other pieces just aren't there. And I think that's where they are ultimately going 450 00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:42.079 to have to decide and figure out they'll get a top three, top five 451 00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:45.720 pick this year unless they move it. I guess potentially for some maybe some 452 00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:48.920 star who we don't know, might become available. But to me, this 453 00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:52.440 is still at least two years out before the Spurs are back to relevance. 454 00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:57.400 But I don't know if Wenby's willing to wait that long. So you sound 455 00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:03.720 and I'm not know trying to diss or critique or anything like that show, 456 00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:07.279 but you sound like someone who is of the mindset that like, because Wemby 457 00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:11.200 is like a Ferrari and it's ready to go, that the San Antonio Spurs 458 00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:17.960 seemed to already be like stuck in the in the garage right like they're still 459 00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:22.359 stuck in the pit and have no preparation, have no plan in place, 460 00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:26.799 you know, for ready to ride out. And I guess part of me 461 00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:33.240 is a little concerned with that thought process because I'm like, if anyone is 462 00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:37.519 trying to trying to, you know, reconnect what the Spurs did to create 463 00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:42.839 that dynasty that they had. The missing part of this was that the team 464 00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:48.039 was already foundationally sound when they had David Robinson. When they finally had Tim 465 00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:52.920 Duncan, then everything started to come into place. Right And because we're in 466 00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:57.319 a different error with the way that free agency operates, I don't know if 467 00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:02.039 I'm of the mindset that if you're San Antonia Spurs, you're playing this game 468 00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:07.400 through the level of free agency as much as you should be buying into getting 469 00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:11.920 it right with the picks that you're You're You're you're drafting the players the rosters 470 00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:15.599 with right like so to your point, you're saying that you don't see where 471 00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:19.359 so so hand, where Johnson and and and in the parts that are right 472 00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:23.079 now around one man Yama, they don't fit, correct, So do you 473 00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:29.039 think nothing? They don't fit. They're not the accelerant that I think a 474 00:31:29.079 --> 00:31:33.480 person of his talent is like so they can they can work. But if 475 00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:37.599 you could move Vasilla and Johnson to get you know what I mean, another 476 00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:41.039 star or somebody you know that's in the same atmosphere. These are right now, 477 00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:44.720 complimentary guys and if you give a Sill enough shots, he's gonna score 478 00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:47.319 twenty a game. If you give kel Johnson enough shots, same thing. 479 00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:52.160 But that doesn't mean they're they are the overall right parts for the accelerant. 480 00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:56.519 They're fine, complimentary players, but how do they get enough? That's those 481 00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:00.160 two guys are their path to a potential another star. And you're what you're 482 00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:02.799 saying, I think as well too. It's like, well, well they 483 00:32:02.839 --> 00:32:06.640 could draft that. But that's where it goes back to my earlier point. 484 00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:08.759 Well, then you're probably two or three years away from really being able to 485 00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:12.359 see the fruits of that, even if you get a top five pick this 486 00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:15.319 year, right, And so I think that to me is what I'm alluding 487 00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:19.799 to. More so, are you leaning into the ideas like you don't think 488 00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:22.680 that the Spurs can afford to wait that long or you don't think that based 489 00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:30.440 on the way that when Byama is that he has the patience to cultivate and 490 00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:34.880 elevate those guys that would be coming on board that would be the fit for 491 00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:38.079 how he plays. It's interesting to me because when I think about guys like 492 00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:43.920 Sohan and Caldon Johnson to your point, yeah, they can go out, 493 00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:45.559 they could probably score, and they could be complementary pieces. As if it's 494 00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:51.400 baked into this idea that they won't be able to make when Byanda a greater 495 00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:54.640 better player and based on the way that when Benyama plays, it doesn't look 496 00:32:54.680 --> 00:33:00.319 like he'll make them better players. So you know, where where would we 497 00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:05.000 see a veteran like what kind of player are we talking about that could make 498 00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:09.079 win Ba Yama a better player than he's already as sending himself to where it's 499 00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:14.880 translating to the level of success that I think, you know, San Antonio 500 00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:17.720 Spurs fans are are trying to say it's going to be within the next couple 501 00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:22.240 of years, right. I mean, I do think they'll need some semblance 502 00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:24.880 of you know, dynamic truly dynamic wing play or guard play, and I 503 00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:29.559 don't think they have that in in any player right now currently. And that's 504 00:33:29.559 --> 00:33:34.599 why I'm saying Lacil and Johnson can be pieces that get you maybe whatever guy 505 00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:38.720 the draft pick that they'll have this this upcoming this upcoming summer could maybe get 506 00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:43.759 them another piece that gets them that that that other guy Wemby to me, 507 00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:45.960 and I don't obviously don't know him, you know, personally, when you 508 00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:50.480 have somebody, I think of that talent level, you're you're thinking, maybe 509 00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:52.920 the first two years can be growth, all right, learn the game, 510 00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:57.440 play the best you know plays, play your minutes, understand with or whatever. 511 00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:00.240 But by year three you're expecting to kind of really see some fruits of 512 00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:02.799 that label. So I think they can toil around so this week for maybe 513 00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:07.799 another year in this, but they've got to start putting the plan into place 514 00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:10.239 here now. Again, they knew what Wenby was, or hoped they knew 515 00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:14.159 what he was going into it. I think he's probably even exceeded some of 516 00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:17.079 those expectations, which makes it a little bit more pressure pack now to like, 517 00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:21.480 hey, no, we gotta we got to get moving. So you 518 00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:24.000 have again another year where you can kind of buy this being this, you 519 00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:28.880 know, eighteen to twenty two win team whatever it is. But year three, 520 00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:31.239 that guy's gonna want to go. And I think that's that's what I'm 521 00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:35.480 getting at and do you have the records at pieces that can get you there? 522 00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:38.320 And what I say now is again not a strong free agent draft class, 523 00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:43.920 So can you conjure up the assets within your internal roster? Currently they 524 00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:45.760 still have a bunch of picks again from the Johntay Murray trade, you know, 525 00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:49.320 moving him over to Atlanta a couple of years ago as well too, 526 00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:52.280 a couple first round picks that got from Boston and the Derek White deal as 527 00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:55.920 well, so they can move some stuff around and be creative, you know, 528 00:34:57.000 --> 00:35:00.239 to pry away another you know, potential All star type level talent with 529 00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:02.400 them, But there's not another ulstar on this roster currently constructed, like not 530 00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:07.360 even close. Yeah, and I agree with you, there's not any potential 531 00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:09.920 All star caliber. I just wonder if whether or not you see that there's 532 00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:15.559 potential for them to become one, right, And so it doesn't sound like, 533 00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:17.840 you know, from the way that you're evaluating and what you've seen from 534 00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:21.800 how they play in their style of play, that any of that's going to 535 00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:24.159 happen. Here's the thing that really becomes unfortunate. Shaw And I don't know 536 00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:28.559 I whether or not people recognize us or speaking to this. If you really 537 00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:31.159 look at this, this is bad timing for the San Antonio Spurs. You 538 00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:35.320 know, there was a window of opportunity where they could be able to just 539 00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:40.119 kind of be marginally bad, and because the Southwest Division was marginally good, 540 00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:45.360 the gap between you know, what a bad San Antonio Spurs team would look 541 00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:49.039 like and the rest of you know, that division would be maybe like three 542 00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:52.800 or four games. Now you look at the way that this division is reflective 543 00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:58.000 of You got Emai Udoka in the turnaround of what he's done with the Houston 544 00:35:58.039 --> 00:36:01.679 Rockets, which is absolutely phenomenal. The New Orleans Pelicans have a new gear. 545 00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:07.079 Don't know whether or not it's viable. We'll see how this translates, 546 00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:09.719 but it's definitely trending in the direction where there you know it's gonna be a 547 00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:14.480 reoccurring theme that they're going to be a part of the playoff picture. The 548 00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:20.480 Dallas Mavericks right with this combination of Luca and Kyrie Irving and the talent that 549 00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:27.039 they're making those guys essentially better very quickly. And you know, to me, 550 00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:30.920 the Memphis Grizzlies when they eventually get back Jahn Morant like, I know 551 00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:34.239 that they may be the slowest of the two because of the pieces they couldn't 552 00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:37.639 keep, but you're always gonna feel, like with Jah Morant and Desmond Bane 553 00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:42.599 that this team is gonna be competitive. So this division is stacked from top 554 00:36:42.639 --> 00:36:45.239 to bottom. So I get to your point where there's that level of impatience 555 00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:47.760 if you're one ban Yama, like, yo, we got to be able 556 00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:52.440 to ride with these thoroughbreds that are already in our division. I'm just curious, 557 00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:58.239 though, Shaw, like, if next year is not going to be 558 00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:02.360 a good free agency class, then this year, this year, this year, 559 00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:06.079 but this is not going to be a good free agency class, then 560 00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:12.440 I would think that the emphasis has to be focused on the current parts and 561 00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:17.159 this off season for them to significantly take a step forward, because even if 562 00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:23.679 worst case Scenarioshaw, you don't see them being at least they will elevate themselves 563 00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:28.320 to where they can be tradable pieces. Like you look at these guys right 564 00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:30.559 now, they're not even tradable pieces. I don't know what you could possibly 565 00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:36.239 get even for you know what I'm saying. You know bad players that are 566 00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:37.280 out there, so to speak. I'm not saying they're bad, but I'm 567 00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:42.639 just saying what they bring to the table doesn't invite anyone to be saying, 568 00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:45.679 yeah, yo, bring bring me him. I want this dude, I 569 00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:47.679 want that dude from your roster. There's not a whole lot of pickings from 570 00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:52.280 that, but they've got to be able to play significantly better so that their 571 00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:57.039 trade value is even worth the conversation. Well, I mean, but remember 572 00:37:57.039 --> 00:37:59.239 that's that's a double edged short. It can go both ways, right, 573 00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:01.920 So, and beauty is always in the behigh and the eye of the beholder 574 00:38:02.119 --> 00:38:06.199 who looks at Keldon Johnson potentially and says, hey, I can do something 575 00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:07.800 with that. Or some people's like, no, he's topped out. This 576 00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:10.880 is who he ultimately is. Do you give him another year? Does he 577 00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:14.400 play worse? You know what I mean? So, I mean it's just 578 00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:17.199 a cause of benefit analysis. The one thing one of the things that birds 579 00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:19.559 have in that, and again, as you were talking, is like, 580 00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:21.119 well, let me just make sure I have my facts right. No, 581 00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:24.320 they have three first round picks this year, first round picks this year, 582 00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:29.360 and they have three first round picks next year, so you know there's some 583 00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:31.079 protections on it, you know. I think with Toronto, I think this 584 00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:35.920 year. I think there's protection with Charlotte next year as well too, But 585 00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:38.800 they can be trading picks within the lottery and their own if they were so 586 00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:43.280 inclined. If another superstar, if you will, or at least even all 587 00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:46.639 Star wars become available in either of the next two years. But sometimes, 588 00:38:46.719 --> 00:38:50.519 as we all know, it's like, all right, well, the picks 589 00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:54.559 don't create the equity that's needed to bring superstar or all star level talent in, 590 00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:59.079 so you need the salaries in essence to match. And that's where Johnson 591 00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:00.400 and the Seal kind of come into play. So just you know, got 592 00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:05.519 his extension. He's gonna be making twenty twenty million dollars or something like that 593 00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:07.280 over the next couple of seasons. So that's where I'm like, well, 594 00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:09.719 yeah, you can keep those guys, but if you're really trying to add 595 00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:14.360 that accelerant, you know that that's your path to do it. But they 596 00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:17.320 do have some leeway between this year and next year, having six first rounders, 597 00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:20.920 three in each of the next first year, three each in the next 598 00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:24.880 two years. Where do you think Greg Popovich leans on the most to see 599 00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:32.280 the rapid improvement of this basketball team? Right, Like you know, Greg 600 00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:42.039 Propovic started as a defensive minded guru. He has you know, transitioned where 601 00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:50.800 he's put together offensively talented rosters and you know we've seen him basically play patchwork 602 00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:54.920 orange with marginal rosters to be competitive and compete in the playoffs. Where do 603 00:39:54.960 --> 00:40:00.360 you lean on with us trying to kind of be in the mind of Greg 604 00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:05.159 Popovitch going into this offseason to say, look, we're not so good on 605 00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:07.719 this, and even when we bring in what we bring in from our draft 606 00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:14.079 class, I'm thinking this might be the best pathway forward for us to start, 607 00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:16.320 you know, getting some of those ls that we could not get and 608 00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:20.039 listen, by all stretch of the imagine, by all accounts, Shaw, 609 00:40:20.280 --> 00:40:22.599 it wasn't like the San Antonio Spurs or just this horrible basketball team. They 610 00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:27.599 have been a very competitive basketball team. This is a basketball team that can 611 00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:30.760 compete, whether or not. The level of confidence that they can compete and 612 00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:34.440 do this through the course of a regular season, I think to your point 613 00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:37.079 is what speaks to the fact that maybe some of the talent has topped itself 614 00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:40.519 out and you can only get away with doing this when you're playing against bad 615 00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:44.960 competition. But when you're playing against the best of the best. You're not 616 00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:49.079 really seeing these guys elevating themselves to the level that you see Victor woman Yama 617 00:40:49.239 --> 00:40:52.320 elevating himself too. So, if you're Greg Popovich, what do you lean 618 00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:54.599 on as far as being a competitive basketball team? Mores and more of the 619 00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:58.360 defensive side of the basketball is going to be more on the offensive side of 620 00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:00.679 the basketball. And I think you even know the answer to that. I 621 00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:05.519 think you know Papaovich has tradiously been probably a better defensive coach than offensive coach, 622 00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:08.760 not that he's been a bad offensive coach and as any aspect of capacity, 623 00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:14.639 but ultimately, defense often revolves around scheme and effort, and those are 624 00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:19.000 things you can intimately control on a regular basis, you know. The offense, 625 00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:22.199 it's that's more skill based and that you can't always just teach. That 626 00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:25.840 takes a lot of time in essence, develop or acquire the requis and talent 627 00:41:25.880 --> 00:41:30.360 in essence to kind of get you there. Right now, they're thirtieth and 628 00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:32.760 three point shooting. They're one of the worst teams you know in an offense 629 00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:37.679 in general. They're not great in defense either. Twenty second, but those 630 00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:40.400 are things to think especially with a Wenby as as a lighthouse if you want, 631 00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:45.000 and the overall to turn in the middle that can be the centerpiece of 632 00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:49.320 of what you do defensively, and so sure if you can buy. What 633 00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:51.639 the NBA is saying is like, hey, we're going to look to see 634 00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:53.960 how we can you know, empower defenses more going into next season. We're 635 00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:58.000 seeing scoring come down here since the All Star break here a little bit. 636 00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:00.679 That's where Sanentennial can make the most post amount of Hey, they can't ignore 637 00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:04.800 offense, but that's where they can hang the proverbial hat on and say like, 638 00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:07.159 all right, well we're going to be a defensive minded team first, 639 00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:09.559 knowing that we mainly score one hundred or one hundred and five, and see 640 00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:13.440 what we can do there to get some recordsent shooting, and see if we 641 00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:15.920 can get timely offense, you know, as I like to talk about, 642 00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:19.599 especially when games get closed in those clutch minutes late in the fourth quarter. 643 00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:22.840 All right, ChIL, let's properly eulogize the San Antonio Spurs. I want 644 00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:29.639 you to give me an ideal situation of who you would love to see Victor 645 00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:34.599 Winmbanyama paired up with in the next couple of years. That gives you the 646 00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:39.159 confidence that you know, this would be a San Antonio Spurs team that would 647 00:42:39.159 --> 00:42:44.800 be considered as one of the more dangerous, you know teams to probably be 648 00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:49.719 considered, you know, in in maybe its franchise history. If we're talking 649 00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:52.079 about wimban Yama in the way that we're speaking about him, who would you 650 00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:58.440 see would love to see be paired up with to kind of elevant to emulate 651 00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:02.440 that level of danger? You know. Well, I mean there's you can 652 00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:07.119 have the wishless, right, and then I think that's the aspect of what's 653 00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:10.239 potentially realistic, and I'm going to go on on that lens, you know, 654 00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:14.159 and you know, maybe you can bring more you know, color to 655 00:43:14.199 --> 00:43:15.239 it in terms of like, hey, you know, here's what you'd want 656 00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:19.559 to see. But I think if I canvass the league and think, okay, 657 00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:23.360 realistically, is there another star or all star level guy who the Furge 658 00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:29.280 could potentially get and that guy actually is Trey Young, I think, you 659 00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:32.119 know, they could visit the Atlanto situation, especially with Trey Young potentially may 660 00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:35.480 or may not be coming back this year and whatever happens with the playoff, 661 00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:38.280 with their playoff run. Can you say, hey, let's bring you over 662 00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:42.800 here and see if we can build something here. Especially you have that one, 663 00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:45.800 you have that five, that could be really good. I don't think 664 00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:49.920 Donovan Mitchell is somebody who would would go there, and especially when he his 665 00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:52.559 contract is up, so that would take a lot of workability and some doing. 666 00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:57.920 But I could see that being a pairing that could bring them some some 667 00:43:57.920 --> 00:44:00.559 some positivity in the in the short Treman a long term in and then giving 668 00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:04.119 and taking a lot of pressure off of Wenby as well too, to be 669 00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:07.559 the offensive hub and the defensive hub. So I think in that regard, 670 00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:12.480 whoever that second star is can't be more defensive minded, and sure it can 671 00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:15.280 be two way if you will, but has to be somebody who's elite I 672 00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:17.320 think, offensively to help the Spurs get to what ultimately need to go to. 673 00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:21.199 So I'll try the question back around to you, who would you like 674 00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:23.159 to see I guess best case scenario Wenby potentially pair it up with Man. 675 00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:32.159 Who would I love to see best case scenario? If I wanted to see 676 00:44:34.119 --> 00:44:40.960 the future of the NBA from a back court front court perspective, I would 677 00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:51.639 love to see. I would love it'll never happen, but I would I 678 00:44:51.639 --> 00:44:57.679 would love to see John Morant and Victor That would be my That would be 679 00:44:57.719 --> 00:45:05.639 my dream situation, dream scenario. But if I'm saying something more realistic with 680 00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:13.719 what's currently out there in the landscape of the NBA, pay attention to the 681 00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:21.199 Lonzo Ball situation. I would be very curious to see what the San Aatolia 682 00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:23.159 Spurs might be able to do and would want to do. At some point, 683 00:45:23.199 --> 00:45:25.800 I think if you are the Chicago Bulls, you really have to start 684 00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:30.599 reassessing how much longer you can continue to keep Lonzo Ball on your roster, 685 00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:35.760 if you're talking about trying to do a move forward. And I think that 686 00:45:35.800 --> 00:45:39.079 there can be a point where Lonzo Ball can can can be a healthy, 687 00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:46.239 you know, like adequate, still young. But I find that, like, 688 00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:51.800 I don't see where the longevity of his career stays in Chicago. I 689 00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:57.800 see guys like Rudy Gay. I've seen other veteran guys out there maintain their 690 00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:00.960 longevity playing like either Insanity, Atonio Phoenix are out in the west, mid 691 00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:05.639 the West, southern, southern, West, western, you know places. 692 00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:09.800 So if there's there's that level of seriousness of us considering what kind of combination 693 00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:15.400 you would love to see and it be more realistic. I think if you're 694 00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:17.599 the Chicago Bulls, you have to start kind of twirling with the idea like 695 00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:21.519 what can we do, what might need to happen? And if you're to 696 00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:25.039 San Antonio Spurs, what kind of skill set player would I love to see 697 00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:30.800 without compromising the elevation of when Byama, but the both of them paired together 698 00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:35.159 can really really kind of take this team to like another level. I would 699 00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:38.239 love to see that type of combination go down. Well, it's interesting because 700 00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:43.679 I think Chicago poses a lot of interest for a couple of different teams. 701 00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:47.000 You know, Kobe White's are just his emergency if you will this season to 702 00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:51.840 being one of the most improved players this year? Does that negate the need 703 00:46:51.880 --> 00:46:54.639 for for for Lonzo moving forward? Like Kobe has really developed and I really 704 00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:58.719 like that young man a lot. So yeah, could they explore something that 705 00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:00.360 gets them? They still have exactly be situation they need to figure out, 706 00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:05.320 you know, from an offensive and defensive standpoint too. So Spurs, I 707 00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:08.360 don't think they would because the contract is just so so ALBATROSSI if you will, 708 00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:14.360 but would make some sense, who is that one of your el cat 709 00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:19.559 words but making stuff up here on the fly, right, But it's you 710 00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:22.559 know, Levigne would bring some offense to a to a team that very very 711 00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:28.000 much needs it. Ironically, though, I think my wish kiss scenario for 712 00:47:28.039 --> 00:47:30.559 Wemby coming into this before he got drafted was like, I did want to 713 00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:32.239 see him with the aforementioned team, you know, the other ball brother and 714 00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:37.760 Charlotte. Had Charlotte been so fortunate and while Brandon Miller is great and all 715 00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:40.519 listen to, combination and theory of LaMelo and Wenby would have been something that 716 00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:46.159 would have been striking the fear of whatever to a lot of people for a 717 00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:51.519 very long time. Nobody wants that crystal ball in the Eastern Conference at all. 718 00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:54.639 But ultimately it didn't happen, and Wenby goes to the organization that is 719 00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:59.800 probably better equipped to develop him for the majority majority share of his NBA career, 720 00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:01.920 which I think is obviously amazing for him. But yeah, I think 721 00:48:01.960 --> 00:48:06.880 you know, there will be no shortest of guys lining up to potentially play 722 00:48:06.920 --> 00:48:09.159 with him if the opportunity to arise. As for for the Spurs, especially 723 00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:15.719 fiscally, all right, So final final thoughts, Shaw, how confident are 724 00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:21.039 you do you think that this next year will be an improved year for the 725 00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:23.159 San Antonio Spurs or do you find them to be kind of like the type 726 00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:29.440 of team that you know is based on whatever they their season ends, that 727 00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:34.239 they're going to probably wind up right back into the same fold roughly numbers wise 728 00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:37.880 as far as wins go. Before we start talking about this, this type 729 00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:40.039 of turnaround of team coming, you know, raising themselves out of the dead. 730 00:48:42.079 --> 00:48:45.320 You know, there to me are a great unknown because I in some 731 00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:50.559 ways you feel like their general management is astute and that they will at least 732 00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:52.719 kick the tires, but they're not going to do anything that doesn't behoove them 733 00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:57.320 in the short term. So that I think they'll do everything they can to 734 00:48:57.400 --> 00:49:00.920 investigate opportunities to make some semblance of around an improvement, especially with three first 735 00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:05.719 round picks this year and maybe some guys that you know could be high level 736 00:49:05.800 --> 00:49:08.559 role players on some other teams in addition to their own. But they won't 737 00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:12.360 do anything that's just like listen, that doesn't that doesn't make any sense. 738 00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:15.519 We're not going to just they're not dumping assets in any capacity, So that 739 00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:20.400 depends on what the market bears for them this this upcoming season, you know, 740 00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:22.599 and what happens in the playoffs and which team gets eliminated. It's just 741 00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:24.679 like that, you didn't think they should have been gone that far, and 742 00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:30.000 then can you make a magical run at some player that we're not even talking 743 00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:34.000 about here currently. So there's too many unknowns and variables. But I trust 744 00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:38.519 that they will be investigative in all ways possible that improves their roster. So 745 00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:42.960 that answer has to be has to kind of stay in my back pocket until 746 00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:45.400 I can kind of see how how the market shares for them. All right, 747 00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:47.400 man, well this has been good stuff. I'm looking forward to see 748 00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:52.880 what version of the San Antonio Spurs are going to become in the off season. 749 00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:54.519 I'm not even really concerned about what even a draft pick looks like as 750 00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:58.920 much as I'm concerned as much as I would be very curious to see what 751 00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:02.599 which guys are put and in that work for the off season, because I 752 00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:07.880 agree with you, I think for us to really really assess the direction of 753 00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:10.360 this team, the mindset of this team, it has to come down to 754 00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:15.079 us not completely focusing on what we already have come to understand regarding the greatness 755 00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:17.719 of Victor women Yama, it has to be about the rest of these other 756 00:50:17.800 --> 00:50:22.679 guys for us to be able to better depict on what direction the Spurs want 757 00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:25.599 to go, whether it's keeping the assets or moving the assets along, because 758 00:50:25.639 --> 00:50:29.679 I think that will go a long way into your point, Shaw, what 759 00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:35.599 kind of rebuild process are we talking about with this organization? Awesome stuff, 760 00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:39.199 Shaw, as per always Man, you know, I love when we get 761 00:50:39.199 --> 00:50:44.480 to talk about these teams, the way that we do properly bury them, 762 00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:50.199 the way that we do autopsium, get into the in the forensics state of 763 00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:52.159 mind, so to speak. When we get with these teams, Man, 764 00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:54.440 yeah, I think there's a little bit more optimism than the first two teams 765 00:50:54.440 --> 00:50:59.840 we talked about here, just because they have at least in theory talent that 766 00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:04.440 is elite in some way or another, that has all star level capability. 767 00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:07.360 In both LaMelo and Wemby. You know, conversely, while we talked we 768 00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:13.159 spoke about Washington and the Detroit last last week. Those two guys have fringe 769 00:51:13.239 --> 00:51:15.159 level guys. If you will, if a if this person gets hurt, 770 00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:19.239 this person gets hurt to make all stars, but all stars don't make you 771 00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:22.880 a good basketball team or a basketball player in any capacity. I think with 772 00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:27.440 LaMelo and Wemby specifically, those guys have talent that can really truly elevate their 773 00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:31.599 proverbial franchises on both sides of the basketball court. And hopefully, hopefully we'll 774 00:51:31.599 --> 00:51:36.039 they'll be both be healthy next year with some tweaks, I think, all 775 00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:38.039 the rosters that can get them in a better position to be successful in the 776 00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:42.400 years of coop. Absolutely man, well said, Well said, Well said, 777 00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:45.679 you should, you know, get into the business of doing these these 778 00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:49.519 these these eulogies and sendoffs. Man, I'm telling you, the families of 779 00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:53.559 these organizations would be Yeah, this could be a business for you just basically 780 00:51:53.599 --> 00:51:58.239 just they put it up on LinkedIn. Bro. Well, well, this 781 00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:00.679 is definitely a partnership. We do this together. So I think you know, 782 00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:04.119 if in your local soon, did you'd like us to come and properly 783 00:52:04.239 --> 00:52:07.719 utilogize your team, We'll be happy to take the baseline on the road here 784 00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:10.920 courtesy of nineteen Media. Absolutely all right, once again, man, thank 785 00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:14.639 you everybody for hopping on board. We'd like to get your thoughts to be 786 00:52:14.679 --> 00:52:16.519 sure to get us on get at us on all the social media outlets, 787 00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:20.400 you know where to find us. For the baseline, Cali Warrenshaw. We 788 00:52:20.440 --> 00:52:23.000 appreciate you guys, you know we do, and we'll catch up with you 789 00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:23.519 next time.