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All right? Well, I don't do we do a non spoilers for this.
I guess we have to and just not. Yeah, we'll do it
for all thoughts. Oh yeah yeah yeah. So my first question for you,
though, is have you did you watch Tales of Jedi? I can't
remember if you've Jedi. Yes, you've seen it. Okay, I believe
I was on the review. Okay, so my next I'm sorry, My
next question is how how familiar were you with these characters in here and in
relation to the Clone Wars and other Yeah. No, interesting enough. I
haven't seen Ahsoka, and I haven't seen pretty much all of Clone Wars.
I've seen a handful of episodes in there. I haven't seen any of bad
Batch and what's the other one I'm missing Rebels. Yes. Yeah, so
there was obviously familiar faces that I did recognize in this, but for the
most part, the main heavy hitters, I didn't know who they were.
I've heard of them, maybe just like in anticipation of the show, I
just saw their names and then knew that they were already established characters. But
no, I was actually going in pretty blind for my viewing here, which
was actually pretty interesting because I really really like this. Not knowing who these
characters were, it was just like it really much felt like a like a
brand new story for me, with some of course familiar characters kind of crossing
their paths. But no, I really really enjoyed this. I really enjoyed
one of the character's story just a little bit more than the other one,
and but for the most part, I think both their stories were pretty solid.
I think in hindsight, just because I did like the one story more
than the other, I would have wanted more of a focus on that.
But because it is six episodes, you know, it makes sense to split
them kind of down the middle in that aspect. But no, I went
into it pretty blind and like I basically just finished all of it in one
sitting. It is pretty short mini series, fifteen minutes per episode. I
watch all of them except for the finale, in one sitting, and when
I came out of it, I'm like, man, I think I like
that more than Tails of the Jedi. Actually, like, like, I
was really really into just the more darker tone of what this show is,
and I am glad that they did that because it is it's supposed to be,
right, supposed to be falling more dark side of the forest with the
whole tales of the Empire. Personally, I feel I feel like it's still
ended a little bit lighter than maybe I would have wanted, But at the
end of the day, it is a Disney show. They kept it somewhat
light hearted of a finish for this show. But no, I was really
really impressed by this, and I really want them to just keep doing these
tales of whatever stories. I know, we got tales of Empire, but
I'm like, man, do it tales of the Scyth and like just just
focus like only on that stuff more so than what the empire is. I
was kind of surprised because I did like a lot of the actual empirical empirical
imperial type, not really politicking, but just more like peering behind the curtains
of like what's going on in their like war rooms and stuff. It's not
that that stuff isn't interesting. I just feel like how it's been done in
other Star Wars media that I've seen has been a little bit weaker than what
I know that they can do in the books and stuff like the throw In
series, for example. I've never read those novels, but I just heard
amazing things, and I was really intrigued with some stuff that was going on
in here, particular with you know, a certain character. But yeah,
I know, I was really really impressed by this, and I, yeah,
I just want more, so I'll pass off to you with that.
Yeah, I think I know that I would put Tills the Jedi above this.
I feel like the focal point of them tackling certain empire storylines here was
not It was all really really good and entertaining, but it was not all
exactly what I was kind of hoping for and craving. I personally feel like
it's probably just three episodes out of here that I really really liked. That's
it. I mean, that's that's fifty to fifty odds. I guess that's
not terrible, but I loved. I love probably like four to five out
of the six with the Tales of the Jedi, so I think they're on
the right track. I just wish that a lot of these episodes were much
more imperial centric. And you're right, there's a little bit more not a
spoiler, but a little bit behind the scenes, behind the curtain, and
like the war rooms with certain imperial officers, and I love seeing that.
It's so wonderful to see to see all that, and then you get some
cool dialogue that follows too. But I think that the follow up with some
of the characters that was done in this was great, and some of the
things are very terrifying and freaky and I think that they do a good job
at making the Empire feel scary to a degree, but it's just, yeah,
some of the storylines didn't really pull me in as much as it did
for the Jedi stuff. And maybe it's just because I guess I'm biased.
I like the I'm craving the Jedi stuff more because I feel like we've been
on the Empire's train for quite some time. Although thro On stuff always gets
me hyped. That definitely is top tier. But I think that hopefully this
will give us more. I remember we were talking about rumors before, like,
oh, they're looking at maybe doing tails like Bounty Hunters, Tales of
Sith, kind of stuff like that, and so then we got Empire.
But I hope you're you're onto something with the Sith. I hope we get
that. That would be cool to get High Republic give us like a six
six episodes, a three episode arc with like Bane or Revin or something like
that would just be so juicy, and that will be eating that up.
It would be great. It's so easy to do as well, like with
the like the title system of Tales of Tales of the High Republic, Tales
of the Old Republic, stuff like that that could be really fun. Yeah.
Absolutely, Tales of the fucking Confederate Trade Company. Yeah, just follow
them better see of Independent Systems? Oh yeah, yeah yeah, the Trade
Trade Federation. I got nothing else I can add non spoilers. No,
I'm ready ready to spallu straight in spoosh. Okay, we're gonna take our
first ad break and then we're gonna get into some spoilers and we are back.
So how do you want to do this? You just want to talk
about everything as an old role? Actually, maybe like the first three part
and then the second three part or how about that? Yeah, we could
do that. Which one do you want to focus on first? I'm gonna
go in chronological order, and I'm also gonna start there because this was the
arc that I actually was really interested in the story of Morgan Elsbeth. Which
it's funny. I was talking to Travis just off cast the other night we
were playing cod and like he said that he had lost some interest when he
heard that, like it like that was the character Morgan Elsbeth and I don't
know who that is, so I didn't have like any I guess biases going
into it. But for what they showed of her story. I actually I
was really intrigued by it, and I thought she was a pretty interesting character
where she is like pretty much a bad guy like throughout the whole part,
especially comparing it to the other character that's focused, you know, in the
in the back half with the inquisitor Baress. But I don't know, I
think it's mostly just kind of her role and just the different places that she
was at in in her just throughout her life that was shown here. It's
it's only like, what forty five minutes of screen time of following her,
but I still found it really interesting, just kind of seeing her village and
at the beginning getting absolutely destroyed by Grievous and foes, and man, she
has a to Grievous just one of the best designs of a character like ever,
and Man Disney just loves just recycling his character too, because he is
just so badass. They whenever, whenever they like, they have like an
era that kind of combines over with him. I feel like they're just gonna
pull him and throw him in there, which is such a great idea.
He's just he's fantastic. I love Grievous, But anyway, it's just just
her like interactions between Yeah, the stuff that happens early on when she is
very just weak, I guess, and like just alone because her whole village
just gets absolutely destroyed. But later on when she's kind of doing the more
Paula taking and like playing along with the Empire, and then when she meets
Throng and all that stuff, interactions with her, like she just also exudes
like a certain commandment that I was really liking. So, yeah, interesting
character that's not really like a force user, but I still found her to
be very interesting. You would have seen her once in live action? Really?
Yeah? Is it in one of the series. It's in the Mandalorian
series season two? Okay, when Soca was okay, I was gonna say,
because that location that they're at, it seemed like one of the sets
from Mando. Is that the same place that's where goes That's exactly it.
Yeah, so that's when you see Morgan Elsbeth and they take her down and
like where's thrown? So I forgot that detail, but thanks for showing that
out. Uh that Uh, Yeah, I think I think she's a really
interesting character. And and ah, Soca the live action show really expand upon
her a lot more and might have checked that out now, I you really
should, man, it's good, like there's a lot of shit in there.
I think you're really gonna like. But yeah, this the first episode
was it was actually coming by surprise. I actually enjoyed it. I like
seeing her come up from just being a young Dathamerian witch and her her whole
village is basically executed. And this is the fallout too, because I'm not
sure if you got this far in the Clone Wars Assage Ventures Palpatine was basically
like, Okay, Dooku, your prentice is getting too strong. You need
to axe her. So Douku's he was kind of reluctant about it, but
he he agreed and he was going to try and execute her. She managed
to escape and then Mother Tulsan, who is a Dathamiria and clan mother,
basically helped her and they thought, okay, we're going to assassinate Douku.
And Douku found out okay, Ventures is alive and like the Mother Talls and
the Sisters, the Night Sisters are trying to come and kill me. So
they basically send Grievous and a fleet to Dathamir to destroy all of them,
and that's why Grievous is here, and the whole episode he's just laughing,
and he is such a cool character in this episode. Yeah, just laughing,
Like when the when El's best mother says run and then he just turns
and he laughs and looks at her and it's like run, run Run.
It's like, this is fucking terrifying. I love it. It was so
good. And she has like after the battle ends and she's sitting by the
fire and she's kind of like daydreaming and she's just it's I had the subtitles
on and it's like Grievous aha laughing and he's just she's thinking about it.
It's absolutely brilliant. I love that. But I think this is something I
didn't know was that Dathamir had other clans that were on the planet, and
so this other group from the mountains that existed. It was really really cool
to see that and see how they how just equally powerful. This this clan
mother was as well. And I like the quote that she dropped. Just
because I don't want to fight doesn't mean that I don't have the power to
or I'm not strong enough to and like she decimated that whole little fleet of
droids. But Morgan Elsbeth learns a lesson here too, of I think responsibility
and taking action and getting into episode two now where you have here much older
and you have Thron being introduced. Captain Palian really cool character. He's brought
in from the Legends books of the original Throng trilogy. He's kind of hand
in hand with Throng. We see him in Mandalorian season three as well with
the Shadow Council dealing with math Gideon. So we've seen pat Palion in live
action. He's mentioned in Rebels as well. This is the little alien that
attacks Morgan Elsbeth. That's Rook and he is a Nogree, one of the
compatriots of Thron. He's pretty pretty cool. He's from the Legends book as
well. But just I love whenever Thron comes in and this is his demeanor.
And even though the idea that the Tie Defenders were not Thron's, they
were initially Morganel's best I like that. I think that's really really cool and
I think it gives just a pacase why Thron is really advocating and pushing for
the Tie Defender Project to take precedence over Project Stardust, which is the Death
Star. You had a neat thing too in that political war room when Elisabeth
is pitching this plan and the the imperials are like, oh, well,
what where do you where your factories all that kind of stuff, and she
just basically says this on this planet and they just express interest, like we're
gonna take the resources, and it's very imperialistic, and it's very basic imperialistic,
but I'm okay with that Thron being in there to expand upon it and
talking with her about how short sighted they all are, and then just a
portion of his fleet looming in. Was like, oh that was chef's kiss.
I really really really loved that. I believe, Sorry, go ahead,
I was just gonna say that whole sequence was just so bad. I
feel like that's also my first experience with Thron, like ever, like him
speaking. I don't think I've seen him anywhere else other than just the Legends
of Right and talking about rebels. Yeah, I haven't seen rebels Haveme's he
to Soka, So that the first time like heard his voice and just the
way that he kind of carried himself in Yeah. Great, first impression,
I thought he was just fantastic. And the lighting of that sequence too,
where it was like it's dark but like you can see them, but it's
also not like super well lit, and the way that his eyes just kind
of glow, like it's man, this guy like just I'm loving this character
from just this first introduction here. So yeah, I thought it was great.
He's like he's the perfect Star Wars character. He's incredible, like Beasney's
top dog. That warm is my heart that you said. All that there
was I think it was the beginning of this episode. There's a scene with
the two Venitors or multiple Venitor class cruisers and then a star destroyer. I
hope I'm not getting that confused with the bad Batch. I think it was
in here too. It was a fleet of like four Venitors and then one
Imperial Star Destroyer. I'm pretty sure I think it was this. I think
it was the opening or of the episode. Okay, okay, yeah with
bad Batch ending it had a very scene. But just to see the scale
of the star destroyer point on par with the Venitor cruisers, Oh, it's
just beautiful. It's just beautiful. But with Thron being an absolute delight and
all that we get the next episode, and this one was just kind of
just meh. I didn't really need much of it. It just shows Morgan
Alsabeth solidifying her position here. It was neat to kind of get a little
bit of context that, Okay, this is the empire has fallen, so
the new Republic is branching out, but Morgan Elsbeth doesn't give a shit,
and that's that this is Probably I would say this could be like a few
weeks before ah Sosoka arrives, because the calm that has that boken Tan pops
off on the com like who is this? Who is this? And then
we know from Mando season two that Boke ten basically knew where Soca was and
I'd dispatched Ahsoka to come here to help. So there's a whole chain of
intertwined storylines here that I really appreciate. I like that a lot. But
yeah, overall, I probably give this two out of three episodes I really
enjoyed. So I give this like a seventy five percent, like out of
one hundred, like a stamp of approval. And I really really liked it
for the first half of the Yeah, for the first two out of three.
Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, I I see what you're saying
with like some of your cons that you have for specifically this episode. I
feel like this episode, even moments of the first episode as well, when
she's speaking with the Mountain tribe or whatever their name was, like a lot
of like the interactions between those characters, it was it was pretty men in
my mind, Like some of the dialogue wasn't too interesting. There is mostly
just the focus on Morgan's character and kind of her role here, and I
love the consequence of her actions and how they actually just like cause the death
of the the like the chieftain's daughter or whoever that character was. I liked
how that was just shown from like the very get go that like, yeah,
she's on this path of revenge and there's going to be consequence with it,
and I just loved how that actually played out. Second episode. I
definitely think that was just like a ten out of ten, just just seeing
again like her in the in the war rooms basically just like doing her sales
pitch on these imperials and they're just they're getting what they're really after and they're
not really trying to hide it or like be They're not trying to soften the
blow. It's just like, yeah, we never cared about your presentation,
we just want your resources. And her just kind of realizing that this is
this is the reality of dealing with the Empire and seems like a fucking waste
of effort, especially on her behalf, but you know, it led to
her pairing up with Throng in the long run. So I just loved how
all that played out. And then in the third episode, I think what
I loved about this one was mostly just the effect of what this kind of
the sub faction. I guess that like just had like the grip that they
have. It's okay, the Empire defeated and they have this new republic,
but it's not like that just changes overnight, and there is just still so
much fear in this little town of where Morgan's kind of running and she's very
much just not afraid right of this republican officer type character. So I just
really like the I think just the miasthma of fear that the Empire has through
like this entire first half of the show. So for ratings wise, I
feel like it would be a thumb and a half if we're going to the
thumb scale. I don't know, eight out of ten, probably eight,
eight and a half out of ten, I think on those three that translates
over roughly from the one and a half thumbs up. But no, I
was really really impressed by this, and I was kind of bummed because I
thought that we were just kind of ramping up with this story and then of
course we jumped to the other character going forward, So I was a little
bit bummed by that. I was hoping that we would like come back to
it, not realizing that it was just six parter. Like I knew there
wasn't many episodes, but I think just because I was watching them like back
to back, I didn't really realize like when episodes were jumping, so I
was hoping for more of that story. But yeah, it is what it
is. But we know you got Ahska with this character a lot more,
and it's sitting right now. After we talk tonight, you can go binge
Soka. Do these do these events too, like crossover like with the show
or like other parts of maybe Clone Wars or wherever this character pops off pops
up in? Uh, well, I mean the characters Morgan as with this
never popped up in the Clone Wars, okay, so she is definitely a
new character that was created in Mendo season two, But I mean path the
third episode Path of Hate. We obviously seen the fallout of that that was
with the Ahsoka episode of Mendo season two, But everything else that continues from
her story is all in the Ahsoka show. You get to see directly what's
what's going on with with her character and where that's leading to. So yeah,
I highly I recommend it. Man, you go. Now, I'm
really curious how much you knew about our next arc here with unless you have
anything else had on the previous one, but how much you knew about barrass
Yeah? No, I I don't know Barriss particularly. I've I think all
my interactions with inquisitors have been what we've experienced them in the live action shows
minus Ahsoka. I don't know if they're in ah Soca, but I guess
Jedi follow in Order that was like my first introduction to them. I didn't
play too much of that game, just kind of like the opening sequences.
That was really just yeah, again, my introduction to like the the first
sister, second sister, whatever the hell their their ranking systems are. But
yeah, no, I didn't know at all. I recognized the big q
ball dude, the big Baldi from from Obi Wan. Of course I like
this version a lot more, but uh, yeah, no, I I
was pretty in the dark, I will say, as just kind of seeing
them going through their training. I'm such a sucker for those moments, man,
like especially when I was going through like the Dark Baine books and just
like peering into like how brutal like the recruitment system is and how truly uh
how awful it should be, you know, because it's it should just be
like weaning out all the weakness and like really is just like the strongest man's
left standing. I love how the the recruitment final trial kind of went right
where it's just like, hey, these are the last two standing. We
only have room for one spot. It's it's very much like the Dark Knight
Jokers recruiter method. But no, I love that whole sequence, So the
whole like training aspect of the inquisitors and just like getting them up and running.
I absolutely loved. I think I kind of tapered off once I I
don't know, like it's not even a bad story, but once Baress kind
of makes the switch and like just turns over. That's where it was,
just like, this is just kind of like a Tale of the Jedi type
story now, like it just seems like almost like a fall Order type situation,
right where like you have this one Jedi that had been hunted and then
I guess, well, I guess it's different. Col was never an inquisitor
to my knowledge, But no, I didn't love this one as much as
as the other one for sure, I think just because of the actual subject
matter of what it was. But it was still really cool to see the
inquisitors in action and get some red Blades on screen. Yeah. Absolutely.
I'll give you some context about barrass now in this is the I think the
second to last season because when Disney was when Disney was in the process of
getting Lucasfilms, Star Wars was doing Clone War season five, and then Disney
bought Star Wars. Then they put out the Clone Wars season six like the
Lost episodes basically, but season five had a really cool arc where a bombing
happened at the Jedi temple and then it was proven that the person I did
the bombing was executed and all that everything that was going on. It framed
Ahsoka as being the murderer and the planet and the instigator of this and the
bombing of the Jedi Temple. It claimed lives. So Anakin went through this
whole thing trying to prove that she was innocent, and with Palpatine pulling like
the plugs here a little bit, it was at the point where Soka was
going to be executed for her crimes against the Republic. It was bad and
the Jedi Council was not supporting her standing by her. It was only Anakin.
So with Anakin's investigation, Assage Venturesses brought in briefly and they managed to
figure out that Barriss Offi was the actual perpetrator here, and you get an
intense scene where Anakin walks into Barras's room with the Jedi Temple and it's just
he's very calm and he's trying to instigate her a little bit, and he
does that and then she Barris had stolen Venturess lightsabers and was using them,
and so she's there. Anakin and barrass are moving around the Jedi Temple in
a fight. They're fighting each other and it gets so intense with the score
and everything that eventually Anakin just like is like forced choking her and holding her
back and like it's just it's the craziest shit. I loved it. She
gets arrested, Ahsoka gets vindicated, and Ahsoka chooses to lead the Jedi Order
because not even all the Jedi apologized to her, but they offered her a
chance to come back to the Order, but she's like, no, I'm
out. So that's how she leaves the Jedi Order. Barris was imprisoned,
and now here you have the continuation of her story. Shout out to Barris,
isn't is actually in Star's Attack of the Clones and the Battle of Genosis
briefly, but yeah, so we see her here and I I think it's
interesting and I love how her journey in this episode, I guess throughout all
these episodes, but the reflection of this and her journey shows that the war
really just crushed what the Jedi were supposed to be. And that's one of
the reasons why she bombed the Jedi temples, because she sees the Jedi now
like their decision is really only to act on violence, and it's not the
Jedi way. The Jedi need to be very different, and I think while
she went through a dark path, she definitely reaffirms herself as a Jedi,
and I like how at the end of her arc she has really chosen.
To me, she is what a Jedi really really should be. It's unfortunate
that she bombed and killed innocent people. That's not good, but she definitely
has gone through this journey and this change to really achieve what it means to
be a guardian of peace and to help and just to be a defensive prospect
of a Jedi night and I just really really happy to see where this character
has gone and where she ended up. But in this episode particularly, it
was crazy, crazy good seeing all three of them together, just their recruitment
process. One of the inquisitors there does appear in one of the other live
action shows. But then of course you have the one in Quizer. I
can remember which tell he was. He was in Tails the Jedi. You
see him die and Tails the Jedi you probably recognize him with like the bone
beak helmet. And then you get, yeah, the Grand Inquisitor we've seen
already, and then Lynn, who we've seen in Obi Wan as well,
and then just the I love this scene so much. When the Grand Inquisitor
is like, pair to meet your new master, and Darth Vader just comes
in. There's a part where he sits down and it's a close up of
his helmet. The animation looks so fucking phenomenal. It looks like it's an
actual real person sitting in this chair with the Darth Vader suit on and just
the helmet. The quality was immaculate, immaculate animation, but just the sorry,
go ahead, no, you keep going it just just inconclusion of this
episode, I just loved the tension and how the last time these two characters,
Barrissed and Anakin were face to face was when Anakin was just forced choking
the shit out of her and was arresting her. And now here we are
and she doesn't know that's Anakin. Yeah, that's crazy. I I mean,
I didn't know that was Anakin. That that scene would have been so
much more intense if you did know that little detail there, but that that
sequence was already just ten out of ten in my mind. Just also like
realizing from like Bear's perspective, like this is this is her life now,
Like like she's at the end of her training here, this is who she's
working for. And then like the Grand Inquisitor just has such a presence and
like commanding force to him. But then the second that Vader comes through like
the the door, like even he like kneels down and they all just like
like totally like give their respect to the the fucking just that's Darth Vader man,
that's the chosen one. Like you're kneeling in your living room down.
Oh yeah, exactly what I'm watching it. Don't look up. But no,
that that sequence was so well done and uh yeah, no it was.
It was awesome. Thanks for a little detail. That's really interesting,
no problem. I think the the little fight scene that they had to and
the Grand Quizors like you both could choose not to fight, but you both
will die. And I like that Barris was apprehensive, like we don't have
to do this, and the other guy is like fuck that he just like
goes in to like kill her. That was crazy, especially because he seemed
like he was kind of a kind person before. Yeah, but we don't
know what he what he had to do in his test when they split them
up separately. So yeah, it was just that was that was freaky freaky
deeky. How'd you feel about the the other the other two episodes, Yeah,
so the next one realization that was where she kind of makes the turn.
I did like the like the I guess the town interrogation where they're looking
for the Jedi, and obviously was the one character's name Lynn. You have
Lynn, that's like a lot more of the stereotypical, you know, Empire
looking for the Jedi, just yelling at everyone, and I like that you
had Bears that was still like on the Empire's side, but like she kind
of had a more tactful, tactful approach, less aggressive than Lynn and just
trying to get the answers, but like still trying to I don't know,
be somewhat kind and like although it is a nice way that she got the
information, like she's she is still hunting Jedi and gonna murder these Jedi.
So like it's it's just an interesting, I guess way of seeing how the
Empire these inquisitors can do their investigating, because it's it's not how it's normally
shown, right, Like normally it is the more Linn approach where she's just
straight up ready to murder people. Yeah, no, I liked all that.
I did, like the moment when Bears makes the turn and like just
force force pushes her off the cliff there. Like it's just like a really
intense moment, and I love it because at no point am I thinking that
Linn's dead there, but it's like, oh, man, like she just
like she just basically has a death Warren on herself now, like she's gonna
be coming not only for that Jedi but for her now. Like I just
thought it was really intense of a scene, and uh yeah, no,
it was really really good. I think my cons with it was just more
so like the decision to just focus on this character's kind of redemption side as
opposed to just focusing more on the actual maybe inquisitors and like just focusing on
that and like really just making it feel like a dour story because you know
they're they're not good guys, and I would have wanted just more focus on
that as a post to this this character that's definitely veering back to the light
side by the by the end of it. But I still think the execution
of the episodes is really well done. It's just don't really like the decision
to go that route, but no, like the final kind of duel with
Linn when when she comes to the cave, I thought that was like somewhat
lackluster and it was just like, Okay, yeah, that's that's how that
happened. And I also felt like Lynn's whole redemption in that moment it just
seemed very very fast and like not really not really earned. I guess,
like maybe it's tough because you only have these three episodes to really like show
this little you know, like the turn of the morals, I guess by
the end of it. But yeah, it just seemed a little bit quick
there, but no, I still think it was it was well done.
I did laugh when like you have Lynn that's just like totally getting mind fucked
in this cave, like she's there's no way to get out, and like
really, Morgan or sorry not Morgan embarrassed is just like fucking with her,
like like taunting at her, like you know, like you don't have to
die here. Why does she have to like approach her and get that close.
She just turns and like takes the lightsaber right to the stomach. It's
like bad judgment call there, but I guess it was necessary to turn Lynn,
maybe she wouldn't have turned in that moment, but yeah, I don't
know. I still think these three episodes were just not as interesting as what
was shown with kind of Morgan's growth of a character in the first half.
That's why I would give my, you know, my favoritism to that side
of the story. But I still think it was good. Yeah, I
don't. Uh, well, actually I'll take a quick ad break and then
again in my thoughts and we're back. So I don't actually know the fate
of Lynn, because I mean, as far as I'm aware, she was
a character that was created during the Obi Wan show, I don't remember seeing
her at all before. So that being said, where she is here with
Barris, I don't know if this is after or before obi Wan. It's
interesting to know because if it's after the fact of obi Wan, then yeah,
then very well we could see her actually having been turned and she she
leaves because we never saw her in Rebels. So maybe that's kind of the
gist here. Maybe they're implying that Barras successfully does bring her back to the
light a little bit, so that actually be a cool redemption arc. This
this scene here where we get barrass and Lynn going into the village and Barras
approaching the child and just really being on his level, engaging. It was
very much very Jedi like at times, and that you could kind of get
the a lot of sympathy from her character. I really appreciated that. And
then when Lynn was choosing to act out of anger and violence because the guy
lied to her, just the This is a I guess to a slight degree,
a kids show, but just the terrifying vibe and atmosphere that emitted from
this When it pens to outside this little patio area and you're on the outside
of the walls and you hear the screaming and the red swim around and this
the lightsaber red blasting through the wall. It's like, fuck, there was
like thirty miscellaneous innocent villagers here and she just killed all of them. And
I thought she was going to kill this kid for sure, but no,
that's thankfully not the case. But yeah, it was very interesting to see
the fight, I guess because Barras saves this Jedi and pushes Linn off the
cliff. And then we continue on where Lynn approaches Barris here at the camp.
Because we've jumped ahead multiple years and Barris is now basically acting like a
healer. It seems like she was applying that she's still in cahoots with Ahska
now because they she sent her team off to go and meet with an old
friend who would help them, and we have Lynn approaching. I really thought
this was Darth Vader, and I was getting so fucking giddy. I was
like, oh man, this is gonna come full circle. I really am
excited for this. But it was Lynn. It was okay. I guess
it makes sense because their friends. Major step down. Oh it was a
major step down. If that was Vader. Fuck, this would have been
like a ton out of ten show, just to get them fight again and
for her to figure out like you're an again. Oh my, oh oh
what could be? What could have been? I feel like there's no chance
that that would have been a close fight though, Like Vader just would have
walked up. She doesn't you know a lightsaber? Like you just you would
have been in the cave. She would have been taunting him, yes,
freaking them out, you'll never get out of the like gign like fucking grievous.
But I'm I'm kind of on somewhere playing here. These two episodes are
just going they're down on heale. For me, that first one of this
little arc was wonderful. I think it hit so many things strong and so
many things right. But yeah, with this, not not much much going
for me, So I don't have anything else. I think I can add
to this, uh if you do speak now or we get into our final
thoughts. I did like the I forgot to shout them out in the earlier
episodes. But those bows that they had, like the uh, like the
laser bows that were shown in the beginning. I don't know if that's a
new weapon. Probably not. It's probably shows up in Clone Wars or something.
But they look sweet. Mm hmm. Yeah, they're very cool.
That's all. That's all I have to show. That's all. What's uh,
what's what's your overall here? And where do you place it with Tales
of Jedi? Yeah, I think like I was saying earlier, like when
I first finished this show, I was like, man, I think that
I think that is stronger than Tales of the Jedi. But after after it
was done, I just went back and didn't watch all of Tales of the
Jedi. But I was just like looking up some of the episode was like
I think I would probably put this up a little bit higher. Sorry Tales
the Jedi above Tales the Empire slightly just because of some of the lesser episodes
that we were mentioning here. They just kind of bring it down a little
bit too much. But those those high moments really really carried it and made
me think that perhaps the overall episode quality was just right up there. And
like, you know, I don't want to sound too harsh, like the
episode quality is still really good, but just some of the focus on what
they were doing with the the the character stuff to show and what they wanted
to do with some of the characters, I just I think I would have
wanted a little bit more of a darker taale, you know, like I
wanted it to feel like at the end of this like oh wow, like
Tales the Empire, like the Empire bad guys, and not feel like,
you know, there's there's hope, there's hope out there, because there shouldn't
when it comes to the Empire in my mind. But no, I still
think it's really really solid. I don't know what I don't try to remember
how we details of the Jedi, did we give it episode by episode or
just memory. Yeah, I don't remember, unfortunately, but I would put
this slightly below it, not not too much lower, maybe like one full
point or maybe half point below it. I still think it's really really good
and I want more of these, keep the coming Disney and Star Wars.
Yeah, I would rank Tales of the Jedi above this. I think that's
it just focuses focused on stories that I liked a lot more and getting focused
on time periods that were outside of what we've had consistently already, Like a
little bit of pre Clone War stuff was really really cool. But I think
that these stories, though definitely do characters justice and are great at kind of
adding more context to characters stories that have been written, are in the process
of being written about, or have just kind of been left open ended.
So I think that there's a little bit of something here for everyone to really
enjoy. And I like how spread it is across the time where you have
it still Clone Wars going all the way to the time of the New Republic
and a little bit there in between. So I think they cover a lot
of really neat ground. But the stories I wish were a little bit stronger
and more imperial centric. I would have taken one full episode of those Imperial
officers in that room just squabbling and squawking, and just put Thrawn in there
just to deal with them. I would have loved something like that the Tales
of the Empire, Like we didn't even get Sidious in here. Vader was
an absolute delight. I love that. But Sidious in here bring back Ian
McDermott. He's fantastic, and bad Batches Palpatine just utterly incredible. So there's
a lot more in here that would have been really really welcomed in regards to
the Empire. So that's it, and I think you're right. The episode's
like the way Out and Realization do feel very very hopeful. Those don't feel
like empire centric episode. It just feels like barrass It feels like a Tail's
the Jedi episode again. It's just so it's it is what it is.
But I would give this, this whole show probably, uh probably a seven
out of ten, which I feel like is still positive. It's high,
but it's not too too high because it's not focused on some things that I
would have personally chosen. Thrown makes up at least five of those points.
He's fifty percent, and then the one point six is the grievous episode,
and then the seventh point is the devoted first one with barrass being recruited.
So that's a that's how I rank point. I like the point breakdown.
Yeah, uh well, that is it. Lady and gentlemen, thank you
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