1 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,119 Hello ladies, gentlemen, welcome to another episode of the geek Verst Podcast. 2 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,440 I am one of your hosts, the always to Taylor Field, and I'm 3 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,920 joined by I am the devoted KIRKLM. Patzer. Yes, we are here 4 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:26,239 because well Star Wars, Star Wars they made the Fourth happened, and we're 5 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,280 here Revenge of the Fifth, Revenge of the sixth, whatever suits your boat, 6 00:00:29,519 --> 00:00:32,799 I like it. We're here to talk Tales of the Empire that just 7 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:37,000 released all six mini episodes of the theology series. Very exciting. But before 8 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:38,840 we get to that, a couple of plugs. You can find us with 9 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,439 your internc connection in the search par geek Verse out sas or home based Keep 10 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:44,920 firstcast our Twitter geek Verse is our Facebook. Also do is a big, 11 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,280 big favor and just take a look at our patron. We got ad free 12 00:00:48,399 --> 00:00:52,439 early available episodes up there for you guys to tune into. We have a 13 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:56,000 lot of retrospective content that's popping off in celebration of Kingdom of the Planet of 14 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:00,000 the Apes. We got the entire every single Plant of the Apes movie retrospective 15 00:01:00,039 --> 00:01:03,400 available on there early for your your entertainment. We also have all the mad 16 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:10,239 Max available on there as well for retrospective reviews, because in celebration of Furiosa, 17 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,040 we decided to take that upon ourselves to dish out for you guys. 18 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,120 We also are going to be starting our Alien retrospective. It's gonna be a 19 00:01:15,159 --> 00:01:19,239 good time. Addition, We're Al's gonna be doing our Strangers one and two 20 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,680 retrospective. So there's just tons, tons and tons and tons of stuff. 21 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,640 It's crazy. What else have I missed? Oh? I know what I 22 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,159 missed. Fuck? You gotta thank these fucking fantastic people. Aaron Braden, 23 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,640 April of Darkness, Jack Grant, Muzz and Sam. You guys are amazing. 24 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,719 I'm trying to actually convince my wife to become a patron. I want 25 00:01:37,719 --> 00:01:41,760 her to. I might like force her into it. Well, yeah, 26 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,200 I might force her in I might. I'm gonna plant the seed of like, 27 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,480 I know what movie you should make us watch put in her ear? 28 00:01:46,519 --> 00:01:49,560 But she she has an idea of what she wants us to watch. So 29 00:01:49,879 --> 00:01:53,000 we'll see if I convinced her to join a tier or not. Do you 30 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:57,000 know, do you have an idea of what that movie is that she's thinking 31 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,799 of? Yeah? Spirit, Spirit to the Dream movie. The horse One. 32 00:02:01,159 --> 00:02:06,480 Yeah, not a fan of that movie. No really, I thought 33 00:02:06,519 --> 00:02:08,080 you guys would be down for it because we'll see if it actually comes through. 34 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:12,439 But we'll see because we just did Hidalgo. That reviews up there, 35 00:02:12,479 --> 00:02:16,400 so yeah, that's true. Pretty similar legal boardings. Yeah, he's not 36 00:02:16,439 --> 00:02:20,680 in that one. What else have I missed? You got anything anything going 37 00:02:20,719 --> 00:02:23,199 on, Kirklam, I don't know. I think you hit all of them. 38 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,319 We got tons of retros going on and you didn't. You didn't forget 39 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,599 any any of them. Were not doing a Twisters retro. Unfortunately for the 40 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,879 Big Twisters we could. We could do a one off. I mean, 41 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,879 is it just the one movie? It's just one movie. Yeah, maybe 42 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,240 it's gonna happen. There you go. Brand new retro just formulated at the 43 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,719 start of this. But uh, we'll talk. I won't commit to that 44 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,439 yet. But no, I think you got all the plugs. Cool? 45 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:53,199 All right? Well, I don't do we do a non spoilers for this. 46 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:54,000 I guess we have to and just not. Yeah, we'll do it 47 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:58,800 for all thoughts. Oh yeah yeah yeah. So my first question for you, 48 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,039 though, is have you did you watch Tales of Jedi? I can't 49 00:03:01,039 --> 00:03:05,280 remember if you've Jedi. Yes, you've seen it. Okay, I believe 50 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,280 I was on the review. Okay, so my next I'm sorry, My 51 00:03:08,319 --> 00:03:14,960 next question is how how familiar were you with these characters in here and in 52 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:20,840 relation to the Clone Wars and other Yeah. No, interesting enough. I 53 00:03:21,759 --> 00:03:25,719 haven't seen Ahsoka, and I haven't seen pretty much all of Clone Wars. 54 00:03:25,719 --> 00:03:30,479 I've seen a handful of episodes in there. I haven't seen any of bad 55 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,599 Batch and what's the other one I'm missing Rebels. Yes. Yeah, so 56 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,879 there was obviously familiar faces that I did recognize in this, but for the 57 00:03:39,919 --> 00:03:44,719 most part, the main heavy hitters, I didn't know who they were. 58 00:03:44,759 --> 00:03:47,759 I've heard of them, maybe just like in anticipation of the show, I 59 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:53,159 just saw their names and then knew that they were already established characters. But 60 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:57,039 no, I was actually going in pretty blind for my viewing here, which 61 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:02,159 was actually pretty interesting because I really really like this. Not knowing who these 62 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:06,080 characters were, it was just like it really much felt like a like a 63 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:11,479 brand new story for me, with some of course familiar characters kind of crossing 64 00:04:11,479 --> 00:04:15,479 their paths. But no, I really really enjoyed this. I really enjoyed 65 00:04:15,439 --> 00:04:19,040 one of the character's story just a little bit more than the other one, 66 00:04:20,519 --> 00:04:25,639 and but for the most part, I think both their stories were pretty solid. 67 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,639 I think in hindsight, just because I did like the one story more 68 00:04:29,639 --> 00:04:31,360 than the other, I would have wanted more of a focus on that. 69 00:04:31,439 --> 00:04:34,120 But because it is six episodes, you know, it makes sense to split 70 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:38,680 them kind of down the middle in that aspect. But no, I went 71 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:43,800 into it pretty blind and like I basically just finished all of it in one 72 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,639 sitting. It is pretty short mini series, fifteen minutes per episode. I 73 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,639 watch all of them except for the finale, in one sitting, and when 74 00:04:50,639 --> 00:04:53,079 I came out of it, I'm like, man, I think I like 75 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,360 that more than Tails of the Jedi. Actually, like, like, I 76 00:04:55,439 --> 00:04:59,399 was really really into just the more darker tone of what this show is, 77 00:04:59,519 --> 00:05:02,240 and I am glad that they did that because it is it's supposed to be, 78 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,639 right, supposed to be falling more dark side of the forest with the 79 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:10,560 whole tales of the Empire. Personally, I feel I feel like it's still 80 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:15,600 ended a little bit lighter than maybe I would have wanted, But at the 81 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,319 end of the day, it is a Disney show. They kept it somewhat 82 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:24,160 light hearted of a finish for this show. But no, I was really 83 00:05:24,199 --> 00:05:27,720 really impressed by this, and I really want them to just keep doing these 84 00:05:27,879 --> 00:05:30,439 tales of whatever stories. I know, we got tales of Empire, but 85 00:05:30,519 --> 00:05:33,639 I'm like, man, do it tales of the Scyth and like just just 86 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:38,560 focus like only on that stuff more so than what the empire is. I 87 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:44,199 was kind of surprised because I did like a lot of the actual empirical empirical 88 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:48,480 imperial type, not really politicking, but just more like peering behind the curtains 89 00:05:48,519 --> 00:05:53,920 of like what's going on in their like war rooms and stuff. It's not 90 00:05:53,959 --> 00:05:57,040 that that stuff isn't interesting. I just feel like how it's been done in 91 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,439 other Star Wars media that I've seen has been a little bit weaker than what 92 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,720 I know that they can do in the books and stuff like the throw In 93 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,959 series, for example. I've never read those novels, but I just heard 94 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:11,439 amazing things, and I was really intrigued with some stuff that was going on 95 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:15,360 in here, particular with you know, a certain character. But yeah, 96 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,480 I know, I was really really impressed by this, and I, yeah, 97 00:06:18,519 --> 00:06:20,720 I just want more, so I'll pass off to you with that. 98 00:06:21,519 --> 00:06:27,240 Yeah, I think I know that I would put Tills the Jedi above this. 99 00:06:27,879 --> 00:06:32,519 I feel like the focal point of them tackling certain empire storylines here was 100 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:39,160 not It was all really really good and entertaining, but it was not all 101 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:44,000 exactly what I was kind of hoping for and craving. I personally feel like 102 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:50,360 it's probably just three episodes out of here that I really really liked. That's 103 00:06:50,399 --> 00:06:53,879 it. I mean, that's that's fifty to fifty odds. I guess that's 104 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,759 not terrible, but I loved. I love probably like four to five out 105 00:06:57,759 --> 00:07:00,160 of the six with the Tales of the Jedi, so I think they're on 106 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,680 the right track. I just wish that a lot of these episodes were much 107 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,360 more imperial centric. And you're right, there's a little bit more not a 108 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,759 spoiler, but a little bit behind the scenes, behind the curtain, and 109 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,560 like the war rooms with certain imperial officers, and I love seeing that. 110 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,079 It's so wonderful to see to see all that, and then you get some 111 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,879 cool dialogue that follows too. But I think that the follow up with some 112 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,600 of the characters that was done in this was great, and some of the 113 00:07:23,639 --> 00:07:26,800 things are very terrifying and freaky and I think that they do a good job 114 00:07:26,839 --> 00:07:31,360 at making the Empire feel scary to a degree, but it's just, yeah, 115 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,319 some of the storylines didn't really pull me in as much as it did 116 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:41,160 for the Jedi stuff. And maybe it's just because I guess I'm biased. 117 00:07:41,199 --> 00:07:45,920 I like the I'm craving the Jedi stuff more because I feel like we've been 118 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:51,480 on the Empire's train for quite some time. Although thro On stuff always gets 119 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:56,800 me hyped. That definitely is top tier. But I think that hopefully this 120 00:07:58,399 --> 00:08:01,920 will give us more. I remember we were talking about rumors before, like, 121 00:08:01,959 --> 00:08:03,639 oh, they're looking at maybe doing tails like Bounty Hunters, Tales of 122 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,839 Sith, kind of stuff like that, and so then we got Empire. 123 00:08:07,079 --> 00:08:09,120 But I hope you're you're onto something with the Sith. I hope we get 124 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:13,680 that. That would be cool to get High Republic give us like a six 125 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:18,519 six episodes, a three episode arc with like Bane or Revin or something like 126 00:08:18,519 --> 00:08:20,360 that would just be so juicy, and that will be eating that up. 127 00:08:20,399 --> 00:08:24,439 It would be great. It's so easy to do as well, like with 128 00:08:24,519 --> 00:08:28,199 the like the title system of Tales of Tales of the High Republic, Tales 129 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,120 of the Old Republic, stuff like that that could be really fun. Yeah. 130 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:37,159 Absolutely, Tales of the fucking Confederate Trade Company. Yeah, just follow 131 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,440 them better see of Independent Systems? Oh yeah, yeah yeah, the Trade 132 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:46,759 Trade Federation. I got nothing else I can add non spoilers. No, 133 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,399 I'm ready ready to spallu straight in spoosh. Okay, we're gonna take our 134 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:56,600 first ad break and then we're gonna get into some spoilers and we are back. 135 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:58,080 So how do you want to do this? You just want to talk 136 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,799 about everything as an old role? Actually, maybe like the first three part 137 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:03,320 and then the second three part or how about that? Yeah, we could 138 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:09,720 do that. Which one do you want to focus on first? I'm gonna 139 00:09:09,759 --> 00:09:16,120 go in chronological order, and I'm also gonna start there because this was the 140 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,200 arc that I actually was really interested in the story of Morgan Elsbeth. Which 141 00:09:20,799 --> 00:09:24,399 it's funny. I was talking to Travis just off cast the other night we 142 00:09:24,399 --> 00:09:28,279 were playing cod and like he said that he had lost some interest when he 143 00:09:28,279 --> 00:09:31,200 heard that, like it like that was the character Morgan Elsbeth and I don't 144 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:37,639 know who that is, so I didn't have like any I guess biases going 145 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,559 into it. But for what they showed of her story. I actually I 146 00:09:41,639 --> 00:09:45,320 was really intrigued by it, and I thought she was a pretty interesting character 147 00:09:45,399 --> 00:09:50,120 where she is like pretty much a bad guy like throughout the whole part, 148 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,720 especially comparing it to the other character that's focused, you know, in the 149 00:09:54,799 --> 00:09:58,919 in the back half with the inquisitor Baress. But I don't know, I 150 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:05,240 think it's mostly just kind of her role and just the different places that she 151 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:09,519 was at in in her just throughout her life that was shown here. It's 152 00:10:09,639 --> 00:10:13,879 it's only like, what forty five minutes of screen time of following her, 153 00:10:13,919 --> 00:10:18,360 but I still found it really interesting, just kind of seeing her village and 154 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,720 at the beginning getting absolutely destroyed by Grievous and foes, and man, she 155 00:10:22,759 --> 00:10:26,440 has a to Grievous just one of the best designs of a character like ever, 156 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:31,080 and Man Disney just loves just recycling his character too, because he is 157 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:35,159 just so badass. They whenever, whenever they like, they have like an 158 00:10:35,279 --> 00:10:37,960 era that kind of combines over with him. I feel like they're just gonna 159 00:10:37,159 --> 00:10:39,240 pull him and throw him in there, which is such a great idea. 160 00:10:39,399 --> 00:10:43,600 He's just he's fantastic. I love Grievous, But anyway, it's just just 161 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:48,919 her like interactions between Yeah, the stuff that happens early on when she is 162 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:58,039 very just weak, I guess, and like just alone because her whole village 163 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,519 just gets absolutely destroyed. But later on when she's kind of doing the more 164 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,039 Paula taking and like playing along with the Empire, and then when she meets 165 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:11,799 Throng and all that stuff, interactions with her, like she just also exudes 166 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,679 like a certain commandment that I was really liking. So, yeah, interesting 167 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,559 character that's not really like a force user, but I still found her to 168 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:24,879 be very interesting. You would have seen her once in live action? Really? 169 00:11:24,399 --> 00:11:28,679 Yeah? Is it in one of the series. It's in the Mandalorian 170 00:11:28,159 --> 00:11:33,919 series season two? Okay, when Soca was okay, I was gonna say, 171 00:11:33,919 --> 00:11:37,919 because that location that they're at, it seemed like one of the sets 172 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:41,960 from Mando. Is that the same place that's where goes That's exactly it. 173 00:11:43,039 --> 00:11:46,080 Yeah, so that's when you see Morgan Elsbeth and they take her down and 174 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:52,519 like where's thrown? So I forgot that detail, but thanks for showing that 175 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,720 out. Uh that Uh, Yeah, I think I think she's a really 176 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:01,519 interesting character. And and ah, Soca the live action show really expand upon 177 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,679 her a lot more and might have checked that out now, I you really 178 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:07,720 should, man, it's good, like there's a lot of shit in there. 179 00:12:07,759 --> 00:12:11,879 I think you're really gonna like. But yeah, this the first episode 180 00:12:11,919 --> 00:12:15,799 was it was actually coming by surprise. I actually enjoyed it. I like 181 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:20,799 seeing her come up from just being a young Dathamerian witch and her her whole 182 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,000 village is basically executed. And this is the fallout too, because I'm not 183 00:12:24,039 --> 00:12:30,559 sure if you got this far in the Clone Wars Assage Ventures Palpatine was basically 184 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:31,840 like, Okay, Dooku, your prentice is getting too strong. You need 185 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,159 to axe her. So Douku's he was kind of reluctant about it, but 186 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:39,919 he he agreed and he was going to try and execute her. She managed 187 00:12:39,919 --> 00:12:45,120 to escape and then Mother Tulsan, who is a Dathamiria and clan mother, 188 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:50,600 basically helped her and they thought, okay, we're going to assassinate Douku. 189 00:12:50,639 --> 00:12:54,120 And Douku found out okay, Ventures is alive and like the Mother Talls and 190 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,679 the Sisters, the Night Sisters are trying to come and kill me. So 191 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:03,360 they basically send Grievous and a fleet to Dathamir to destroy all of them, 192 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:07,960 and that's why Grievous is here, and the whole episode he's just laughing, 193 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:11,759 and he is such a cool character in this episode. Yeah, just laughing, 194 00:13:13,159 --> 00:13:18,080 Like when the when El's best mother says run and then he just turns 195 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:22,080 and he laughs and looks at her and it's like run, run Run. 196 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:26,840 It's like, this is fucking terrifying. I love it. It was so 197 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:31,200 good. And she has like after the battle ends and she's sitting by the 198 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:35,320 fire and she's kind of like daydreaming and she's just it's I had the subtitles 199 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:43,159 on and it's like Grievous aha laughing and he's just she's thinking about it. 200 00:13:43,159 --> 00:13:46,039 It's absolutely brilliant. I love that. But I think this is something I 201 00:13:46,039 --> 00:13:50,360 didn't know was that Dathamir had other clans that were on the planet, and 202 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:54,759 so this other group from the mountains that existed. It was really really cool 203 00:13:54,799 --> 00:13:58,759 to see that and see how they how just equally powerful. This this clan 204 00:13:58,879 --> 00:14:01,279 mother was as well. And I like the quote that she dropped. Just 205 00:14:01,279 --> 00:14:03,240 because I don't want to fight doesn't mean that I don't have the power to 206 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,039 or I'm not strong enough to and like she decimated that whole little fleet of 207 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:13,360 droids. But Morgan Elsbeth learns a lesson here too, of I think responsibility 208 00:14:13,399 --> 00:14:18,799 and taking action and getting into episode two now where you have here much older 209 00:14:18,799 --> 00:14:22,159 and you have Thron being introduced. Captain Palian really cool character. He's brought 210 00:14:22,159 --> 00:14:26,159 in from the Legends books of the original Throng trilogy. He's kind of hand 211 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,039 in hand with Throng. We see him in Mandalorian season three as well with 212 00:14:28,039 --> 00:14:31,759 the Shadow Council dealing with math Gideon. So we've seen pat Palion in live 213 00:14:31,799 --> 00:14:37,480 action. He's mentioned in Rebels as well. This is the little alien that 214 00:14:37,519 --> 00:14:41,960 attacks Morgan Elsbeth. That's Rook and he is a Nogree, one of the 215 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:46,559 compatriots of Thron. He's pretty pretty cool. He's from the Legends book as 216 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,919 well. But just I love whenever Thron comes in and this is his demeanor. 217 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,919 And even though the idea that the Tie Defenders were not Thron's, they 218 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,960 were initially Morganel's best I like that. I think that's really really cool and 219 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,440 I think it gives just a pacase why Thron is really advocating and pushing for 220 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:05,120 the Tie Defender Project to take precedence over Project Stardust, which is the Death 221 00:15:05,159 --> 00:15:11,480 Star. You had a neat thing too in that political war room when Elisabeth 222 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,919 is pitching this plan and the the imperials are like, oh, well, 223 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,200 what where do you where your factories all that kind of stuff, and she 224 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:22,679 just basically says this on this planet and they just express interest, like we're 225 00:15:22,679 --> 00:15:26,799 gonna take the resources, and it's very imperialistic, and it's very basic imperialistic, 226 00:15:26,879 --> 00:15:31,919 but I'm okay with that Thron being in there to expand upon it and 227 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:35,200 talking with her about how short sighted they all are, and then just a 228 00:15:35,279 --> 00:15:39,279 portion of his fleet looming in. Was like, oh that was chef's kiss. 229 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:43,879 I really really really loved that. I believe, Sorry, go ahead, 230 00:15:43,159 --> 00:15:46,480 I was just gonna say that whole sequence was just so bad. I 231 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:52,279 feel like that's also my first experience with Thron, like ever, like him 232 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:56,240 speaking. I don't think I've seen him anywhere else other than just the Legends 233 00:15:56,279 --> 00:16:00,279 of Right and talking about rebels. Yeah, I haven't seen rebels Haveme's he 234 00:16:00,399 --> 00:16:03,320 to Soka, So that the first time like heard his voice and just the 235 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,919 way that he kind of carried himself in Yeah. Great, first impression, 236 00:16:06,919 --> 00:16:10,399 I thought he was just fantastic. And the lighting of that sequence too, 237 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:14,320 where it was like it's dark but like you can see them, but it's 238 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:15,799 also not like super well lit, and the way that his eyes just kind 239 00:16:15,799 --> 00:16:19,759 of glow, like it's man, this guy like just I'm loving this character 240 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:23,639 from just this first introduction here. So yeah, I thought it was great. 241 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:29,399 He's like he's the perfect Star Wars character. He's incredible, like Beasney's 242 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:33,399 top dog. That warm is my heart that you said. All that there 243 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:37,559 was I think it was the beginning of this episode. There's a scene with 244 00:16:37,639 --> 00:16:42,720 the two Venitors or multiple Venitor class cruisers and then a star destroyer. I 245 00:16:42,759 --> 00:16:47,840 hope I'm not getting that confused with the bad Batch. I think it was 246 00:16:47,919 --> 00:16:51,559 in here too. It was a fleet of like four Venitors and then one 247 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,440 Imperial Star Destroyer. I'm pretty sure I think it was this. I think 248 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,399 it was the opening or of the episode. Okay, okay, yeah with 249 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:03,000 bad Batch ending it had a very scene. But just to see the scale 250 00:17:03,039 --> 00:17:07,039 of the star destroyer point on par with the Venitor cruisers, Oh, it's 251 00:17:07,079 --> 00:17:11,240 just beautiful. It's just beautiful. But with Thron being an absolute delight and 252 00:17:11,279 --> 00:17:15,640 all that we get the next episode, and this one was just kind of 253 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,799 just meh. I didn't really need much of it. It just shows Morgan 254 00:17:18,799 --> 00:17:22,960 Alsabeth solidifying her position here. It was neat to kind of get a little 255 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,079 bit of context that, Okay, this is the empire has fallen, so 256 00:17:26,519 --> 00:17:30,680 the new Republic is branching out, but Morgan Elsbeth doesn't give a shit, 257 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:36,160 and that's that this is Probably I would say this could be like a few 258 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:41,319 weeks before ah Sosoka arrives, because the calm that has that boken Tan pops 259 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,319 off on the com like who is this? Who is this? And then 260 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:48,759 we know from Mando season two that Boke ten basically knew where Soca was and 261 00:17:48,799 --> 00:17:52,559 I'd dispatched Ahsoka to come here to help. So there's a whole chain of 262 00:17:52,599 --> 00:17:56,440 intertwined storylines here that I really appreciate. I like that a lot. But 263 00:17:56,519 --> 00:18:00,359 yeah, overall, I probably give this two out of three episodes I really 264 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,839 enjoyed. So I give this like a seventy five percent, like out of 265 00:18:03,839 --> 00:18:07,400 one hundred, like a stamp of approval. And I really really liked it 266 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,599 for the first half of the Yeah, for the first two out of three. 267 00:18:10,799 --> 00:18:14,680 Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, I I see what you're saying 268 00:18:14,839 --> 00:18:18,680 with like some of your cons that you have for specifically this episode. I 269 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:23,240 feel like this episode, even moments of the first episode as well, when 270 00:18:23,279 --> 00:18:30,640 she's speaking with the Mountain tribe or whatever their name was, like a lot 271 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,039 of like the interactions between those characters, it was it was pretty men in 272 00:18:34,039 --> 00:18:37,359 my mind, Like some of the dialogue wasn't too interesting. There is mostly 273 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,839 just the focus on Morgan's character and kind of her role here, and I 274 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:48,200 love the consequence of her actions and how they actually just like cause the death 275 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:52,440 of the the like the chieftain's daughter or whoever that character was. I liked 276 00:18:52,519 --> 00:18:57,039 how that was just shown from like the very get go that like, yeah, 277 00:18:57,079 --> 00:19:00,079 she's on this path of revenge and there's going to be consequence with it, 278 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:07,000 and I just loved how that actually played out. Second episode. I 279 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,359 definitely think that was just like a ten out of ten, just just seeing 280 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:15,200 again like her in the in the war rooms basically just like doing her sales 281 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:21,000 pitch on these imperials and they're just they're getting what they're really after and they're 282 00:19:21,039 --> 00:19:23,319 not really trying to hide it or like be They're not trying to soften the 283 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,519 blow. It's just like, yeah, we never cared about your presentation, 284 00:19:26,559 --> 00:19:30,480 we just want your resources. And her just kind of realizing that this is 285 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,599 this is the reality of dealing with the Empire and seems like a fucking waste 286 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:38,440 of effort, especially on her behalf, but you know, it led to 287 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,400 her pairing up with Throng in the long run. So I just loved how 288 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:48,200 all that played out. And then in the third episode, I think what 289 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:53,759 I loved about this one was mostly just the effect of what this kind of 290 00:19:53,759 --> 00:19:57,039 the sub faction. I guess that like just had like the grip that they 291 00:19:57,079 --> 00:20:02,000 have. It's okay, the Empire defeated and they have this new republic, 292 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:06,279 but it's not like that just changes overnight, and there is just still so 293 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:11,839 much fear in this little town of where Morgan's kind of running and she's very 294 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:18,400 much just not afraid right of this republican officer type character. So I just 295 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:23,440 really like the I think just the miasthma of fear that the Empire has through 296 00:20:23,799 --> 00:20:29,640 like this entire first half of the show. So for ratings wise, I 297 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,319 feel like it would be a thumb and a half if we're going to the 298 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:36,519 thumb scale. I don't know, eight out of ten, probably eight, 299 00:20:36,519 --> 00:20:40,039 eight and a half out of ten, I think on those three that translates 300 00:20:40,039 --> 00:20:42,079 over roughly from the one and a half thumbs up. But no, I 301 00:20:42,599 --> 00:20:45,599 was really really impressed by this, and I was kind of bummed because I 302 00:20:45,599 --> 00:20:48,400 thought that we were just kind of ramping up with this story and then of 303 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,200 course we jumped to the other character going forward, So I was a little 304 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:56,279 bit bummed by that. I was hoping that we would like come back to 305 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,799 it, not realizing that it was just six parter. Like I knew there 306 00:20:59,799 --> 00:21:02,480 wasn't many episodes, but I think just because I was watching them like back 307 00:21:02,519 --> 00:21:06,920 to back, I didn't really realize like when episodes were jumping, so I 308 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:11,240 was hoping for more of that story. But yeah, it is what it 309 00:21:11,319 --> 00:21:15,400 is. But we know you got Ahska with this character a lot more, 310 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,559 and it's sitting right now. After we talk tonight, you can go binge 311 00:21:18,759 --> 00:21:22,319 Soka. Do these do these events too, like crossover like with the show 312 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:26,960 or like other parts of maybe Clone Wars or wherever this character pops off pops 313 00:21:27,079 --> 00:21:32,480 up in? Uh, well, I mean the characters Morgan as with this 314 00:21:32,599 --> 00:21:36,480 never popped up in the Clone Wars, okay, so she is definitely a 315 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:41,240 new character that was created in Mendo season two, But I mean path the 316 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:45,440 third episode Path of Hate. We obviously seen the fallout of that that was 317 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,000 with the Ahsoka episode of Mendo season two, But everything else that continues from 318 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:52,720 her story is all in the Ahsoka show. You get to see directly what's 319 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,839 what's going on with with her character and where that's leading to. So yeah, 320 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:03,000 I highly I recommend it. Man, you go. Now, I'm 321 00:22:03,079 --> 00:22:07,440 really curious how much you knew about our next arc here with unless you have 322 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:08,839 anything else had on the previous one, but how much you knew about barrass 323 00:22:10,319 --> 00:22:17,119 Yeah? No, I I don't know Barriss particularly. I've I think all 324 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:22,799 my interactions with inquisitors have been what we've experienced them in the live action shows 325 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:27,119 minus Ahsoka. I don't know if they're in ah Soca, but I guess 326 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,880 Jedi follow in Order that was like my first introduction to them. I didn't 327 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,519 play too much of that game, just kind of like the opening sequences. 328 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:40,519 That was really just yeah, again, my introduction to like the the first 329 00:22:40,519 --> 00:22:42,880 sister, second sister, whatever the hell their their ranking systems are. But 330 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,559 yeah, no, I didn't know at all. I recognized the big q 331 00:22:48,759 --> 00:22:52,799 ball dude, the big Baldi from from Obi Wan. Of course I like 332 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,960 this version a lot more, but uh, yeah, no, I I 333 00:22:56,079 --> 00:23:00,839 was pretty in the dark, I will say, as just kind of seeing 334 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,279 them going through their training. I'm such a sucker for those moments, man, 335 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,359 like especially when I was going through like the Dark Baine books and just 336 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:14,480 like peering into like how brutal like the recruitment system is and how truly uh 337 00:23:15,599 --> 00:23:18,799 how awful it should be, you know, because it's it should just be 338 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:22,160 like weaning out all the weakness and like really is just like the strongest man's 339 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:27,440 left standing. I love how the the recruitment final trial kind of went right 340 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,079 where it's just like, hey, these are the last two standing. We 341 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,799 only have room for one spot. It's it's very much like the Dark Knight 342 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,880 Jokers recruiter method. But no, I love that whole sequence, So the 343 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,039 whole like training aspect of the inquisitors and just like getting them up and running. 344 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:47,400 I absolutely loved. I think I kind of tapered off once I I 345 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,599 don't know, like it's not even a bad story, but once Baress kind 346 00:23:49,599 --> 00:23:52,720 of makes the switch and like just turns over. That's where it was, 347 00:23:52,759 --> 00:23:56,359 just like, this is just kind of like a Tale of the Jedi type 348 00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:00,079 story now, like it just seems like almost like a fall Order type situation, 349 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,960 right where like you have this one Jedi that had been hunted and then 350 00:24:04,279 --> 00:24:08,400 I guess, well, I guess it's different. Col was never an inquisitor 351 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,319 to my knowledge, But no, I didn't love this one as much as 352 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:17,359 as the other one for sure, I think just because of the actual subject 353 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:18,799 matter of what it was. But it was still really cool to see the 354 00:24:18,839 --> 00:24:25,480 inquisitors in action and get some red Blades on screen. Yeah. Absolutely. 355 00:24:26,839 --> 00:24:30,880 I'll give you some context about barrass now in this is the I think the 356 00:24:32,519 --> 00:24:36,640 second to last season because when Disney was when Disney was in the process of 357 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:41,880 getting Lucasfilms, Star Wars was doing Clone War season five, and then Disney 358 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,359 bought Star Wars. Then they put out the Clone Wars season six like the 359 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:51,839 Lost episodes basically, but season five had a really cool arc where a bombing 360 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:56,440 happened at the Jedi temple and then it was proven that the person I did 361 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,279 the bombing was executed and all that everything that was going on. It framed 362 00:25:00,319 --> 00:25:03,519 Ahsoka as being the murderer and the planet and the instigator of this and the 363 00:25:03,559 --> 00:25:07,640 bombing of the Jedi Temple. It claimed lives. So Anakin went through this 364 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:12,559 whole thing trying to prove that she was innocent, and with Palpatine pulling like 365 00:25:12,599 --> 00:25:15,519 the plugs here a little bit, it was at the point where Soka was 366 00:25:15,559 --> 00:25:19,119 going to be executed for her crimes against the Republic. It was bad and 367 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:23,480 the Jedi Council was not supporting her standing by her. It was only Anakin. 368 00:25:25,319 --> 00:25:32,039 So with Anakin's investigation, Assage Venturesses brought in briefly and they managed to 369 00:25:32,039 --> 00:25:37,799 figure out that Barriss Offi was the actual perpetrator here, and you get an 370 00:25:37,799 --> 00:25:42,720 intense scene where Anakin walks into Barras's room with the Jedi Temple and it's just 371 00:25:42,759 --> 00:25:47,640 he's very calm and he's trying to instigate her a little bit, and he 372 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:52,720 does that and then she Barris had stolen Venturess lightsabers and was using them, 373 00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:56,319 and so she's there. Anakin and barrass are moving around the Jedi Temple in 374 00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:02,400 a fight. They're fighting each other and it gets so intense with the score 375 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,720 and everything that eventually Anakin just like is like forced choking her and holding her 376 00:26:06,759 --> 00:26:10,400 back and like it's just it's the craziest shit. I loved it. She 377 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:15,160 gets arrested, Ahsoka gets vindicated, and Ahsoka chooses to lead the Jedi Order 378 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,279 because not even all the Jedi apologized to her, but they offered her a 379 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:19,400 chance to come back to the Order, but she's like, no, I'm 380 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:25,319 out. So that's how she leaves the Jedi Order. Barris was imprisoned, 381 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,079 and now here you have the continuation of her story. Shout out to Barris, 382 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,799 isn't is actually in Star's Attack of the Clones and the Battle of Genosis 383 00:26:32,839 --> 00:26:38,480 briefly, but yeah, so we see her here and I I think it's 384 00:26:38,519 --> 00:26:42,559 interesting and I love how her journey in this episode, I guess throughout all 385 00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:49,079 these episodes, but the reflection of this and her journey shows that the war 386 00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:55,039 really just crushed what the Jedi were supposed to be. And that's one of 387 00:26:55,079 --> 00:26:57,720 the reasons why she bombed the Jedi temples, because she sees the Jedi now 388 00:26:57,759 --> 00:27:02,319 like their decision is really only to act on violence, and it's not the 389 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,880 Jedi way. The Jedi need to be very different, and I think while 390 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:11,119 she went through a dark path, she definitely reaffirms herself as a Jedi, 391 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,960 and I like how at the end of her arc she has really chosen. 392 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,279 To me, she is what a Jedi really really should be. It's unfortunate 393 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,440 that she bombed and killed innocent people. That's not good, but she definitely 394 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,960 has gone through this journey and this change to really achieve what it means to 395 00:27:27,079 --> 00:27:33,440 be a guardian of peace and to help and just to be a defensive prospect 396 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,680 of a Jedi night and I just really really happy to see where this character 397 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,799 has gone and where she ended up. But in this episode particularly, it 398 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:48,000 was crazy, crazy good seeing all three of them together, just their recruitment 399 00:27:48,079 --> 00:27:52,359 process. One of the inquisitors there does appear in one of the other live 400 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:57,160 action shows. But then of course you have the one in Quizer. I 401 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,720 can remember which tell he was. He was in Tails the Jedi. You 402 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,599 see him die and Tails the Jedi you probably recognize him with like the bone 403 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:10,319 beak helmet. And then you get, yeah, the Grand Inquisitor we've seen 404 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,240 already, and then Lynn, who we've seen in Obi Wan as well, 405 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,480 and then just the I love this scene so much. When the Grand Inquisitor 406 00:28:19,559 --> 00:28:22,240 is like, pair to meet your new master, and Darth Vader just comes 407 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,920 in. There's a part where he sits down and it's a close up of 408 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:32,000 his helmet. The animation looks so fucking phenomenal. It looks like it's an 409 00:28:32,079 --> 00:28:36,640 actual real person sitting in this chair with the Darth Vader suit on and just 410 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:42,119 the helmet. The quality was immaculate, immaculate animation, but just the sorry, 411 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:47,079 go ahead, no, you keep going it just just inconclusion of this 412 00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:51,920 episode, I just loved the tension and how the last time these two characters, 413 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,759 Barrissed and Anakin were face to face was when Anakin was just forced choking 414 00:28:55,759 --> 00:28:57,200 the shit out of her and was arresting her. And now here we are 415 00:28:57,359 --> 00:29:02,079 and she doesn't know that's Anakin. Yeah, that's crazy. I I mean, 416 00:29:02,119 --> 00:29:03,319 I didn't know that was Anakin. That that scene would have been so 417 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,000 much more intense if you did know that little detail there, but that that 418 00:29:07,119 --> 00:29:11,880 sequence was already just ten out of ten in my mind. Just also like 419 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:17,119 realizing from like Bear's perspective, like this is this is her life now, 420 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,000 Like like she's at the end of her training here, this is who she's 421 00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:25,640 working for. And then like the Grand Inquisitor just has such a presence and 422 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,839 like commanding force to him. But then the second that Vader comes through like 423 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,680 the the door, like even he like kneels down and they all just like 424 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,960 like totally like give their respect to the the fucking just that's Darth Vader man, 425 00:29:37,119 --> 00:29:38,599 that's the chosen one. Like you're kneeling in your living room down. 426 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:44,000 Oh yeah, exactly what I'm watching it. Don't look up. But no, 427 00:29:44,119 --> 00:29:47,960 that that sequence was so well done and uh yeah, no it was. 428 00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:51,000 It was awesome. Thanks for a little detail. That's really interesting, 429 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,160 no problem. I think the the little fight scene that they had to and 430 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,240 the Grand Quizors like you both could choose not to fight, but you both 431 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,720 will die. And I like that Barris was apprehensive, like we don't have 432 00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:04,039 to do this, and the other guy is like fuck that he just like 433 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,720 goes in to like kill her. That was crazy, especially because he seemed 434 00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:11,519 like he was kind of a kind person before. Yeah, but we don't 435 00:30:11,559 --> 00:30:15,599 know what he what he had to do in his test when they split them 436 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,359 up separately. So yeah, it was just that was that was freaky freaky 437 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:26,039 deeky. How'd you feel about the the other the other two episodes, Yeah, 438 00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:29,559 so the next one realization that was where she kind of makes the turn. 439 00:30:30,759 --> 00:30:37,039 I did like the like the I guess the town interrogation where they're looking 440 00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:41,599 for the Jedi, and obviously was the one character's name Lynn. You have 441 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,799 Lynn, that's like a lot more of the stereotypical, you know, Empire 442 00:30:45,799 --> 00:30:49,200 looking for the Jedi, just yelling at everyone, and I like that you 443 00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:53,079 had Bears that was still like on the Empire's side, but like she kind 444 00:30:53,079 --> 00:31:00,359 of had a more tactful, tactful approach, less aggressive than Lynn and just 445 00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:04,279 trying to get the answers, but like still trying to I don't know, 446 00:31:04,359 --> 00:31:11,200 be somewhat kind and like although it is a nice way that she got the 447 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,920 information, like she's she is still hunting Jedi and gonna murder these Jedi. 448 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,200 So like it's it's just an interesting, I guess way of seeing how the 449 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:23,000 Empire these inquisitors can do their investigating, because it's it's not how it's normally 450 00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:26,119 shown, right, Like normally it is the more Linn approach where she's just 451 00:31:26,519 --> 00:31:32,559 straight up ready to murder people. Yeah, no, I liked all that. 452 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,960 I did, like the moment when Bears makes the turn and like just 453 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,839 force force pushes her off the cliff there. Like it's just like a really 454 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:45,839 intense moment, and I love it because at no point am I thinking that 455 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,599 Linn's dead there, but it's like, oh, man, like she just 456 00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:53,680 like she just basically has a death Warren on herself now, like she's gonna 457 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,759 be coming not only for that Jedi but for her now. Like I just 458 00:31:56,839 --> 00:32:00,200 thought it was really intense of a scene, and uh yeah, no, 459 00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:06,839 it was really really good. I think my cons with it was just more 460 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,880 so like the decision to just focus on this character's kind of redemption side as 461 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:15,519 opposed to just focusing more on the actual maybe inquisitors and like just focusing on 462 00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:20,559 that and like really just making it feel like a dour story because you know 463 00:32:20,599 --> 00:32:22,799 they're they're not good guys, and I would have wanted just more focus on 464 00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:28,920 that as a post to this this character that's definitely veering back to the light 465 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,240 side by the by the end of it. But I still think the execution 466 00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:36,400 of the episodes is really well done. It's just don't really like the decision 467 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,400 to go that route, but no, like the final kind of duel with 468 00:32:43,839 --> 00:32:46,640 Linn when when she comes to the cave, I thought that was like somewhat 469 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:51,400 lackluster and it was just like, Okay, yeah, that's that's how that 470 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,559 happened. And I also felt like Lynn's whole redemption in that moment it just 471 00:32:55,559 --> 00:33:01,160 seemed very very fast and like not really not really earned. I guess, 472 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,359 like maybe it's tough because you only have these three episodes to really like show 473 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,720 this little you know, like the turn of the morals, I guess by 474 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,240 the end of it. But yeah, it just seemed a little bit quick 475 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,599 there, but no, I still think it was it was well done. 476 00:33:16,279 --> 00:33:23,720 I did laugh when like you have Lynn that's just like totally getting mind fucked 477 00:33:23,759 --> 00:33:27,599 in this cave, like she's there's no way to get out, and like 478 00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:31,039 really, Morgan or sorry not Morgan embarrassed is just like fucking with her, 479 00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:35,160 like like taunting at her, like you know, like you don't have to 480 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,279 die here. Why does she have to like approach her and get that close. 481 00:33:37,359 --> 00:33:39,799 She just turns and like takes the lightsaber right to the stomach. It's 482 00:33:39,839 --> 00:33:45,319 like bad judgment call there, but I guess it was necessary to turn Lynn, 483 00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:49,440 maybe she wouldn't have turned in that moment, but yeah, I don't 484 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,559 know. I still think these three episodes were just not as interesting as what 485 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:57,440 was shown with kind of Morgan's growth of a character in the first half. 486 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,359 That's why I would give my, you know, my favoritism to that side 487 00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:04,759 of the story. But I still think it was good. Yeah, I 488 00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:07,200 don't. Uh, well, actually I'll take a quick ad break and then 489 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:12,800 again in my thoughts and we're back. So I don't actually know the fate 490 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,519 of Lynn, because I mean, as far as I'm aware, she was 491 00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:19,000 a character that was created during the Obi Wan show, I don't remember seeing 492 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,519 her at all before. So that being said, where she is here with 493 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:29,320 Barris, I don't know if this is after or before obi Wan. It's 494 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,400 interesting to know because if it's after the fact of obi Wan, then yeah, 495 00:34:31,519 --> 00:34:35,760 then very well we could see her actually having been turned and she she 496 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,280 leaves because we never saw her in Rebels. So maybe that's kind of the 497 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,679 gist here. Maybe they're implying that Barras successfully does bring her back to the 498 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:47,320 light a little bit, so that actually be a cool redemption arc. This 499 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:52,599 this scene here where we get barrass and Lynn going into the village and Barras 500 00:34:52,599 --> 00:34:57,480 approaching the child and just really being on his level, engaging. It was 501 00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:00,559 very much very Jedi like at times, and that you could kind of get 502 00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:05,960 the a lot of sympathy from her character. I really appreciated that. And 503 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,960 then when Lynn was choosing to act out of anger and violence because the guy 504 00:35:09,079 --> 00:35:14,199 lied to her, just the This is a I guess to a slight degree, 505 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,920 a kids show, but just the terrifying vibe and atmosphere that emitted from 506 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,920 this When it pens to outside this little patio area and you're on the outside 507 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,159 of the walls and you hear the screaming and the red swim around and this 508 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,360 the lightsaber red blasting through the wall. It's like, fuck, there was 509 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,880 like thirty miscellaneous innocent villagers here and she just killed all of them. And 510 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,960 I thought she was going to kill this kid for sure, but no, 511 00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:44,079 that's thankfully not the case. But yeah, it was very interesting to see 512 00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:46,559 the fight, I guess because Barras saves this Jedi and pushes Linn off the 513 00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:52,679 cliff. And then we continue on where Lynn approaches Barris here at the camp. 514 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:58,039 Because we've jumped ahead multiple years and Barris is now basically acting like a 515 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,840 healer. It seems like she was applying that she's still in cahoots with Ahska 516 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,920 now because they she sent her team off to go and meet with an old 517 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,119 friend who would help them, and we have Lynn approaching. I really thought 518 00:36:08,119 --> 00:36:12,119 this was Darth Vader, and I was getting so fucking giddy. I was 519 00:36:12,159 --> 00:36:15,440 like, oh man, this is gonna come full circle. I really am 520 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:16,719 excited for this. But it was Lynn. It was okay. I guess 521 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,960 it makes sense because their friends. Major step down. Oh it was a 522 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,960 major step down. If that was Vader. Fuck, this would have been 523 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,159 like a ton out of ten show, just to get them fight again and 524 00:36:25,199 --> 00:36:30,280 for her to figure out like you're an again. Oh my, oh oh 525 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,719 what could be? What could have been? I feel like there's no chance 526 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,079 that that would have been a close fight though, Like Vader just would have 527 00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:38,599 walked up. She doesn't you know a lightsaber? Like you just you would 528 00:36:38,639 --> 00:36:40,960 have been in the cave. She would have been taunting him, yes, 529 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:50,760 freaking them out, you'll never get out of the like gign like fucking grievous. 530 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:58,920 But I'm I'm kind of on somewhere playing here. These two episodes are 531 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,719 just going they're down on heale. For me, that first one of this 532 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:05,880 little arc was wonderful. I think it hit so many things strong and so 533 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:12,159 many things right. But yeah, with this, not not much much going 534 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,159 for me, So I don't have anything else. I think I can add 535 00:37:15,159 --> 00:37:19,199 to this, uh if you do speak now or we get into our final 536 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,119 thoughts. I did like the I forgot to shout them out in the earlier 537 00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:25,440 episodes. But those bows that they had, like the uh, like the 538 00:37:25,519 --> 00:37:30,239 laser bows that were shown in the beginning. I don't know if that's a 539 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,320 new weapon. Probably not. It's probably shows up in Clone Wars or something. 540 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:37,039 But they look sweet. Mm hmm. Yeah, they're very cool. 541 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,000 That's all. That's all I have to show. That's all. What's uh, 542 00:37:40,039 --> 00:37:43,920 what's what's your overall here? And where do you place it with Tales 543 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:49,519 of Jedi? Yeah, I think like I was saying earlier, like when 544 00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:52,159 I first finished this show, I was like, man, I think that 545 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,719 I think that is stronger than Tales of the Jedi. But after after it 546 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,320 was done, I just went back and didn't watch all of Tales of the 547 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,440 Jedi. But I was just like looking up some of the episode was like 548 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:05,639 I think I would probably put this up a little bit higher. Sorry Tales 549 00:38:05,679 --> 00:38:10,639 the Jedi above Tales the Empire slightly just because of some of the lesser episodes 550 00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:14,159 that we were mentioning here. They just kind of bring it down a little 551 00:38:14,199 --> 00:38:16,840 bit too much. But those those high moments really really carried it and made 552 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:22,559 me think that perhaps the overall episode quality was just right up there. And 553 00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:24,280 like, you know, I don't want to sound too harsh, like the 554 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:30,039 episode quality is still really good, but just some of the focus on what 555 00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:34,800 they were doing with the the the character stuff to show and what they wanted 556 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,880 to do with some of the characters, I just I think I would have 557 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,639 wanted a little bit more of a darker taale, you know, like I 558 00:38:42,199 --> 00:38:45,280 wanted it to feel like at the end of this like oh wow, like 559 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,360 Tales the Empire, like the Empire bad guys, and not feel like, 560 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,199 you know, there's there's hope, there's hope out there, because there shouldn't 561 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,800 when it comes to the Empire in my mind. But no, I still 562 00:38:54,840 --> 00:39:00,960 think it's really really solid. I don't know what I don't try to remember 563 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,719 how we details of the Jedi, did we give it episode by episode or 564 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:10,000 just memory. Yeah, I don't remember, unfortunately, but I would put 565 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:15,679 this slightly below it, not not too much lower, maybe like one full 566 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,519 point or maybe half point below it. I still think it's really really good 567 00:39:19,559 --> 00:39:22,960 and I want more of these, keep the coming Disney and Star Wars. 568 00:39:24,639 --> 00:39:30,239 Yeah, I would rank Tales of the Jedi above this. I think that's 569 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:37,639 it just focuses focused on stories that I liked a lot more and getting focused 570 00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:42,559 on time periods that were outside of what we've had consistently already, Like a 571 00:39:42,559 --> 00:39:45,639 little bit of pre Clone War stuff was really really cool. But I think 572 00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:52,280 that these stories, though definitely do characters justice and are great at kind of 573 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:58,400 adding more context to characters stories that have been written, are in the process 574 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,400 of being written about, or have just kind of been left open ended. 575 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,719 So I think that there's a little bit of something here for everyone to really 576 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,800 enjoy. And I like how spread it is across the time where you have 577 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:13,199 it still Clone Wars going all the way to the time of the New Republic 578 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,280 and a little bit there in between. So I think they cover a lot 579 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,960 of really neat ground. But the stories I wish were a little bit stronger 580 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:23,320 and more imperial centric. I would have taken one full episode of those Imperial 581 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:29,239 officers in that room just squabbling and squawking, and just put Thrawn in there 582 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,079 just to deal with them. I would have loved something like that the Tales 583 00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:36,119 of the Empire, Like we didn't even get Sidious in here. Vader was 584 00:40:36,159 --> 00:40:38,480 an absolute delight. I love that. But Sidious in here bring back Ian 585 00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:45,360 McDermott. He's fantastic, and bad Batches Palpatine just utterly incredible. So there's 586 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,199 a lot more in here that would have been really really welcomed in regards to 587 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:54,000 the Empire. So that's it, and I think you're right. The episode's 588 00:40:54,039 --> 00:40:58,639 like the way Out and Realization do feel very very hopeful. Those don't feel 589 00:40:58,679 --> 00:41:02,719 like empire centric episode. It just feels like barrass It feels like a Tail's 590 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:07,519 the Jedi episode again. It's just so it's it is what it is. 591 00:41:07,559 --> 00:41:12,000 But I would give this, this whole show probably, uh probably a seven 592 00:41:12,039 --> 00:41:15,360 out of ten, which I feel like is still positive. It's high, 593 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,519 but it's not too too high because it's not focused on some things that I 594 00:41:17,519 --> 00:41:22,519 would have personally chosen. Thrown makes up at least five of those points. 595 00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:28,199 He's fifty percent, and then the one point six is the grievous episode, 596 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,519 and then the seventh point is the devoted first one with barrass being recruited. 597 00:41:32,639 --> 00:41:37,559 So that's a that's how I rank point. I like the point breakdown. 598 00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:42,400 Yeah, uh well, that is it. Lady and gentlemen, thank you 599 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:47,760 for tuning in to this breakdown of tales of the Empire. We may do 600 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:54,039 a quick coverage of Kirkland maybe maybe maybe not. Maybe you can come to 601 00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:58,159 that quick coverage of the acollate trailer that dropped for me the fourth Oh yeah, 602 00:41:58,159 --> 00:42:00,679 of course, yeah, okay, okay, well, well we'll see 603 00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:02,440 you guys in a couple of seconds here then if you stick around, so 604 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:08,079 we'll be we'll be back next time. Bye, mhm.