WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:05.000 So I have a story here that came from CNN and was written by Zachary 2 00:00:05.080 --> 00:00:07.719 B. Wolf, and I knew it's going to give a lot of people 3 00:00:07.960 --> 00:00:11.560 hope for the future, maybe bring a little bit of happiness to some people 4 00:00:11.800 --> 00:00:16.719 when I first and it is about the fact that pet Robertson has finally passed 5 00:00:16.719 --> 00:00:20.199 away. Yes he made it to ninety two, but ding Dong the Wicked 6 00:00:20.239 --> 00:00:25.079 Witch's dad. Seriously, this man was probably the worst of the worst on 7 00:00:25.160 --> 00:00:29.280 the far far Christian right, and a lot of the things that we're dealing 8 00:00:29.320 --> 00:00:35.399 with today in the political spectrum were really started by pat Robertson. Aaron, 9 00:00:35.520 --> 00:00:37.679 I know, you had a lot to say about it. You want to 10 00:00:37.679 --> 00:00:42.640 follow up. Yeah, So I wasn't too much. I was raised Mormon, 11 00:00:42.679 --> 00:00:46.880 so I didn't really know too much about Pat Robertson. But in my 12 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:50.479 research, this guy he is super smart. You know. He graduated from 13 00:00:50.479 --> 00:00:55.079 a private high school with honors. He earned a bachelor's in history, graduated 14 00:00:55.159 --> 00:00:59.679 magna cum laude. He was a member of an academic society, five Eta 15 00:00:59.759 --> 00:01:02.560 cap Well. He then got a law degree near the top of his class. 16 00:01:02.600 --> 00:01:04.879 He got a Master of Divinity. After all this, this guy was 17 00:01:06.439 --> 00:01:11.920 really smart and he got a lot done. He founded CBN University that has 18 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:14.599 a really good online program today. That's right, very highly in the state 19 00:01:14.599 --> 00:01:17.840 of Virginia. He founded the American Center for Law and Justice, the seven 20 00:01:17.959 --> 00:01:22.319 hundred Club. This guy was really busy doing a lot of things. Unfortunately, 21 00:01:22.359 --> 00:01:26.200 he was doing things that I don't agree with and that I don't appreciate, 22 00:01:26.319 --> 00:01:30.359 and that is trying to get Christianity built into our country. He was 23 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:37.200 basically the founding father of Christian nationalism in the United States. He was very 24 00:01:37.200 --> 00:01:41.640 successful at it. He was so successful at it that he got he was 25 00:01:41.680 --> 00:01:46.400 able to get his group of voters to turn out in higher percentages than in 26 00:01:46.480 --> 00:01:49.879 almost any other group in the country. And they still vote. They still 27 00:01:49.879 --> 00:01:53.640 registered to vote and vote at higher rates than any other group in the country. 28 00:01:53.120 --> 00:01:57.719 So they have a lot of say in what goes on in the United 29 00:01:57.760 --> 00:02:00.439 States. Cindy, do you have something you wanted to ask? Yes? 30 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:04.760 Uh, Well, just like you, I didn't know him very much as 31 00:02:04.760 --> 00:02:07.039 a European, you know, is the kind of figures that don't make the 32 00:02:07.080 --> 00:02:12.560 news too much over there. Um. Since his death, I've seen several 33 00:02:12.599 --> 00:02:16.840 memes talking about the impact he had on American politics. Um and Uh, 34 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:23.800 the articles mentions something else. Uh and the article says he helped elect Roald 35 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:29.439 Reagan. And I'm not sure which is worse, honestly, because I don't 36 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:36.680 know which which one of both outcomes had a worse impact on the American society 37 00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:39.639 right now. Because on one hand you have Reagan who implemented the trickle down 38 00:02:40.360 --> 00:02:47.280 politics. He Um, he revived racism for his campaign and his political gain. 39 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:53.120 Uh. He removed a lot of the taxes on the reach. And 40 00:02:53.319 --> 00:02:58.360 so the the extreme inequality that we see in the US is mostly because of 41 00:02:58.439 --> 00:03:00.879 him, and only on the other side you have there it's it's like choosing 42 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:05.800 between carib Dian and Sea like. On the other side, you have a 43 00:03:05.800 --> 00:03:10.159 group that's been dead focused on trying to put down everyone they don't like. 44 00:03:10.560 --> 00:03:15.599 Um. And so he's also a symptom of something we talked about sal times 45 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:23.000 here on the show, how the right built their Victorian on road for fifty 46 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:27.039 years from the ground up. Like you said, Aaron, he motivated people 47 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:34.919 to vote for their agenda and that's something that other candidates should invest in as 48 00:03:34.919 --> 00:03:38.319 well. And just for the record, I would like to point out because 49 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:43.879 a lot of responses were heading that way. There is absolutely nothing wrong in 50 00:03:44.039 --> 00:03:50.919 saying good riddance to the death of an absolutely despicable person that's rich. Yeah, 51 00:03:50.919 --> 00:03:53.680 it's this how you know you must respect them because they died. Yeah, 52 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:57.560 of course that's how it works, because we all respect styled in Paul 53 00:03:57.639 --> 00:04:00.960 pot and hit the dummy. Um. He's he's an interesting figure. I 54 00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:04.280 knew. I knew of him vaguely because he's on the radar to be one 55 00:04:04.319 --> 00:04:10.719 of these weird preachers who occasionally predict things that don't happen and just gets on 56 00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:14.439 TV a lot to become very rich, a phenomena that we in Britain find 57 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:19.839 baffling and fascinating an equal measure. And you're right, he had this way 58 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:25.439 of galvanizing people to vote based on this thing has happened. We don't like 59 00:04:25.560 --> 00:04:28.639 it. To change it, you need to get out there and vote and 60 00:04:28.720 --> 00:04:30.600 be part of it. And for that I agree with. The guy is 61 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:38.439 absolutely right. And the overturning of Row maybe that should be a similarly galvanizing 62 00:04:38.519 --> 00:04:43.000 thing for a different group of people. Let's hope and other things that are 63 00:04:43.000 --> 00:04:46.560 happening. There's some small matters of legal matters and things going on that might 64 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:51.639 galvanize people to vote a certain way. And in my country's small matter of 65 00:04:51.800 --> 00:04:57.920 an ex primis, current primis are having a massive row at the moment might 66 00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:00.800 be something we can focus on as well. We don't on anymore, that 67 00:05:00.879 --> 00:05:04.680 let's do something different. But yeah, Pat Robinson's a very very interesting, 68 00:05:04.720 --> 00:05:11.120 colorful character, and that kind of those kind of preachers the want to make 69 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:13.360 a lot of money and gain a lot of ground and have a lot of 70 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:19.240 power do tend to be very very smart. We on the sort of atheist 71 00:05:19.279 --> 00:05:23.759 antitheiside, we kind of like to laugh at them and laugh at their arguments 72 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:27.399 and laugh at what they do book and pretend like they're not smart, but 73 00:05:27.439 --> 00:05:30.079 they are, which always raises the question to me, does they know exactly 74 00:05:30.079 --> 00:05:35.319 what they're doing? Is everything planned? Is the religion of vehicle for the 75 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:41.560 money and the power rather than something that's are actually central to them? Really? 76 00:05:42.040 --> 00:05:46.439 How psychopathic? What's the guy? I don't know, but it's always 77 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:49.560 it's always raised the red card and somebody sort of thinks that their god is 78 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:55.160 short of cash. It's always kind of old that their god needs more power 79 00:05:55.199 --> 00:05:59.879 because apparently these things can't just happen by God deciding they're going to happen. 80 00:06:00.279 --> 00:06:01.600 Humans have got to get it in there and do it. Funny, that, 81 00:06:01.680 --> 00:06:05.600 isn't it. He's yeah, he's a very very curious the whole thing, 82 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:09.879 and he's a great emblem of that sort of culture of mega churches and 83 00:06:10.120 --> 00:06:15.800 wealth and power and how the Christian right and some exteps the Christian left like 84 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:20.240 to try and influence politics in the US in particular, and we've had it 85 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:24.399 here in the UK with every thing called the National Conservatives, who are trying 86 00:06:24.439 --> 00:06:28.040 to be a sort of the UK's version of the Tea Party. It didn't 87 00:06:28.079 --> 00:06:30.600 go well. We just pointed and laughed at them. So a bit more 88 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:34.199 of that I would suggest as well. But yeah, that shows you're a 89 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:41.279 little smarter than us over there. Well my answer to that will be Brexit. 90 00:06:41.399 --> 00:06:47.079 But other than that, fair enough. Sometimes I think I think over 91 00:06:47.160 --> 00:06:54.240 here what's happened is the older generation are voting less and Jen everything from Jen 92 00:06:54.480 --> 00:07:00.439 zen Z to gen X are voted more. And we are happy with without 93 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:03.000 a lot in political life because those are there that were about they've owned all 94 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:06.240 the houses and we don't. So it kind of makes sure want to vote 95 00:07:06.279 --> 00:07:11.759 for something different. So yeah, maybe we're getting smarter. Anyway, I'm 96 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:15.160 going to finish my waffling about our houses, and I think Aaron wants to 97 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:19.720 talk about that, the isolationism that happened as a result of his preaching. 98 00:07:19.959 --> 00:07:24.439 Yeah, so he um as part of his preaching. You know, he's 99 00:07:24.600 --> 00:07:27.519 he preaches. And I got this a little bit too when I was in 100 00:07:27.560 --> 00:07:30.720 my when I was in religion, to keep themselves separate from the world. 101 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:33.160 Right, we're separate from the world. We're special, We're a special group, 102 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:36.160 and we need to stay away from the world and live live righteous lives. 103 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:41.439 And he kind of took it a step further where it wasn't just about 104 00:07:41.959 --> 00:07:45.360 separate themselves, was about demonizing the other groups too, right, and that 105 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:51.000 I think that demonization of the other groups calling people names, uh what He 106 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:57.240 and Jerry Folwell were talking about the causes of nine to eleven Hurricane Katrine, 107 00:07:57.279 --> 00:08:01.079 and they blamed it on the abortionists and the feminists. And that's just the 108 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:05.600 demonization of other people. And when you can demonize people, make them look 109 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:07.480 like they're other people and they're not to be trusted. And so when they 110 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:11.199 open their mouth to talk, oh no, I can't listen to you. 111 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:15.000 You're you're you're an abortionist, you're a feminist. I can't listen to you. 112 00:08:15.040 --> 00:08:16.759 That's that's not what God wants me to do, and that really that 113 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:22.279 doesn't have any place in my view in politics. Politics should be about our 114 00:08:22.319 --> 00:08:24.199 government, should be about what we want our country to be, how we 115 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:28.360 want to move forward together solving problems. And when you're demonizing other groups of 116 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:31.000 people, you're not going to be able to do that because you're gonna spend 117 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:35.840 your time like we are now, where you're just fighting culture wars and you're 118 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:39.159 fighting fighting against things that aren't really important in the in the scheme of things, 119 00:08:39.200 --> 00:08:43.120 and you're not solving problem. You're not making people's lives betters, you're 120 00:08:43.159 --> 00:08:46.559 not making people's lives better better. I don't want you can't say that word, 121 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:50.000 doctor rich You had something to add, Yeah, I love the word 122 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:56.240 usement that you structurate the fantastic And yes, I'm just thinking about the whole 123 00:08:56.320 --> 00:09:00.759 process of the sort of in grouping and grouping that the religion in general goes 124 00:09:00.799 --> 00:09:03.320 for. And Pat Robinson was fantastic at that what you were saying. Those 125 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:07.440 people are different to us, they have a different idea, of different belief 126 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:11.960 therefore their back. Therefore they're not part of our group. Therefore they can't 127 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:13.720 get away with the things we can get away. And the most fascinating thing 128 00:09:13.720 --> 00:09:18.000 I've always found about in grouping is the way that someone in your group can 129 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:22.080 Let's imagine somebody took a load of state secrets and stuck him in a boardroom. 130 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:26.080 You might allow them the benefit of the doubt once they'd done that if 131 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:30.200 they're part of your in group. Whereas if the opponents so they did a 132 00:09:30.240 --> 00:09:33.360 similar thing and then cooperated and get stuff back, they will be some kind 133 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:37.919 of demon. They'd be awful, they'd be terrible because it's a lopsided thing. 134 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:41.240 And I think it played on that very much. That's why his side 135 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:45.519 never actually looked at him and went, but you're a jerk. You were 136 00:09:45.559 --> 00:09:48.799 just horrible. You do all the things we don't like about. Then they 137 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:52.000 didn't mind because it was part of the group, because he made it that. 138 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:54.799 Yeah, yeah, but he thinks devulsion is bad to he's actually cool. 139 00:09:54.879 --> 00:09:58.559 Let's not worry about that. The other dodgy stuff is up to It's 140 00:09:58.799 --> 00:10:01.840 yeah, it's a it's the way that of that side of things. It's 141 00:10:01.879 --> 00:10:05.320 the way politics works at the moment. It's the way politics has been heading 142 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:09.639 for a long time, ever since our our friend Ronald Reagan and people who 143 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:13.559 came after me. So you know, Kelly helped me out. Yeah, 144 00:10:13.639 --> 00:10:16.360 yeah, you know a lot of what you said the first time, I 145 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:20.840 totally agree with. I mean this, he was not a dumb person. 146 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:24.639 He was really, really smart. He ran for president. He didn't make 147 00:10:24.679 --> 00:10:28.960 it, he got soldly defeated in the early stages of the primaries, but 148 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:33.000 he was not a dumb person. And his show, The seven hundred Club 149 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:37.440 had a viewership of over six hundred and fifty thousand people. And it doesn't 150 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:39.360 seem like a lot when you look at the whole scope of the country, 151 00:10:39.519 --> 00:10:45.200 but it really is. And like the last election in my state was only 152 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:48.559 decided by a difference of about twenty five thousand votes, so six hundred and 153 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:54.360 fifty thousand can be very significant depending on where parts of those votes are at. 154 00:10:54.600 --> 00:10:58.480 Right, just twenty five twenty five thousand, and those six hundred and 155 00:10:58.480 --> 00:11:01.840 fifty thousand would have given mission again the Trump So it is. It is 156 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:05.799 quite a large group of people voting, and it was not something that we 157 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:11.480 should have ignored and still shouldn't ignore. This movement isn't dying with pat Robertson. 158 00:11:11.600 --> 00:11:15.919 It's it's not, so we still have to fight back at it. 159 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:18.559 Um. Yeah, I think I think that's a big, a big thing 160 00:11:18.679 --> 00:11:22.720 that we have to remember, is that just because pat Robertson is dead, 161 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:28.320 this movement that he started, that he began is still very much alive, 162 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:31.240 and we still need to be fighting back at it. Aaron, I know 163 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:33.919 you had something else you wanted to add, so go ahead. Yeah, 164 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:35.200 you know. Pat Robertson worked hard, and we have to work harder. 165 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:37.960 We have to. We have to get to the voting booth. We can't 166 00:11:37.960 --> 00:11:41.279 be apathetic apathetic. We have to be active. We have to encourage people 167 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:46.679 to to care, because there's a group of people that cares a lot of 168 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:50.840 turning this country into a Christian theocracy, and so we have to care more 169 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:54.039 than them and show up and encourage people to show up. I think one 170 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:56.679 of the kind of switch gears a little bit. One of the problems I 171 00:11:56.720 --> 00:12:01.200 think that pat Robertson did is he created single a single issue voter, and 172 00:12:01.240 --> 00:12:05.480 I've known people like this where they would only vote based on somebody's stance on 173 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:07.759 one thing, and that was usually abortion. They would always vote for the 174 00:12:07.799 --> 00:12:11.679 pro life candidate no matter what. And I'm going to I'm going to say 175 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:16.679 that when you only vote on one issue, the people you vote for don't 176 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:20.720 suffer any consequences for their views, for how they vote on certain issues, 177 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:24.159 on who they are as people, on their character, and if they care 178 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:28.759 or not. And so we need to not be single issue voters. We 179 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:33.720 need to focus on all the issues and picking candidates that are honest, not 180 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:37.159 just ones that have a single issue that we agree with. Cindy, you 181 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:39.840 got something something to say. Yeah. I keep thinking about what you guys 182 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:46.679 said about him being smart, and still he's using he's been using the very 183 00:12:48.039 --> 00:12:52.320 simplest trick in in groups. It's if you want to fire up people, 184 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:58.879 the easiest way and the simplest way is to give them a common enemy and 185 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:03.919 everything you said about in group and our group, that's that's the purpose of 186 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:07.919 this. It's fire up by base so that I can do whatever I want 187 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:13.480 with them. And we see a lot of politicians do that today, not 188 00:13:13.519 --> 00:13:18.639 just in the US, but targeting one group is extremely useful and and and 189 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:26.399 practical to fire up someone, because hate fires of people, whereas compassion and 190 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:31.320 empathy they tend to create less strong emotional responses. But rich you wanted to 191 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:35.360 say something, you're muted. It's a very simple thing that's been used very 192 00:13:35.480 --> 00:13:37.399 very well. Um, sorry about that. I just got the small electric 193 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:41.159 shock, as you do. It's just this way of saying, pointed them, 194 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:45.639 point at them, they're the problem. And it's it's it's used by 195 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:50.200 politicians forever, issues, by all sides forever, and issues whenever they've got 196 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:54.200 no policies, you know. And it's the interesting thing about a lot of 197 00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:56.879 the Christian fundamentalism I say in the US is I don't think it's a partisan 198 00:13:58.039 --> 00:14:01.639 thing. I think if you're somebody on the right who's very strong over the 199 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:05.559 constitution, defend the constitution. If there's someone left it doesn't like what's happening 200 00:14:05.559 --> 00:14:11.480 in social justice, fight the social justice Robinson is a figure that should unite 201 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:18.159 everybody in disgust, something I am quite a lot about, really rather than 202 00:14:18.440 --> 00:14:22.679 and it's it's again I can say he is using a very symmetry. It's 203 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:26.600 a very smart man who knows that if you find a group to point out 204 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:30.240 and say it's them. Whenever you're going to problem, then that's what will 205 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:33.240 happen. People will look at them and go, it's their fault. And 206 00:14:33.279 --> 00:14:35.720 it does work. It really works, and it works all the time. 207 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:39.519 It works everywhere, and it has worked forever, and sadly, I think 208 00:14:39.519 --> 00:14:43.600 it will work forever. So those of us who were like not drawn into 209 00:14:43.639 --> 00:14:48.279 that, well, and we need to fight back. We need to vote 210 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:52.399 so that we can stop that, we can stop this sort of othering which 211 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:56.000 happens all too often, and that Pat Robinson is an example of, and 212 00:14:56.039 --> 00:14:58.159 the people who come after him are continuing to do. Yeah, Kelly, 213 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:03.559 M Yeah, I was just gonna type something else down. Um I. 214 00:15:03.039 --> 00:15:07.759 One of the things I did want to say expound off of what Cindi said 215 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:11.559 about getting people motivated by Hay. He didn't just use hate. He used 216 00:15:11.600 --> 00:15:13.519 fear too, which can really be a big motivator. I mean, he 217 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:18.600 had a lot of people convinced that liberals were gonna come, We're gonna start 218 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:22.759 building re education camps and start rounding up Christians and stuff. And he really 219 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:26.960 used that fear to again get those six hundred and fifty thousand people out of 220 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:33.360 the pole and he worked not just down a let's get this done tomorrow level. 221 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:37.679 But he had a really slow strategy. It was little chip here, 222 00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:41.360 a little chip there, a little chip here, until all the chips added 223 00:15:41.440 --> 00:15:46.360 up to one big thing. And that one big thing became kind of normal 224 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:48.720 because it wasn't just rushed overnight, which just happened a little bit, a 225 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:52.440 little bit, a little bit, a little bit, and fifty years later 226 00:15:52.519 --> 00:15:56.600 he got rov Wade taken you know, reverse, So it seemed to work 227 00:15:56.639 --> 00:16:00.600 for him. I don't think that that's the tactics we should take can trying 228 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:03.480 to take back the things that we that I feel we have lost in our 229 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:08.960 society because of him pushing these ideals. But it was a pretty good strategy. 230 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:11.120 I don't think it's necessary to do that. I think we could do 231 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:15.000 it a lot faster, reverse everything. So Aaron and Jeff something you want 232 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:18.000 to wrap it up with, Well, I just find it really interesting that 233 00:16:19.039 --> 00:16:22.240 people would vote for people that are other people that are obviously not Christian. 234 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:26.120 It just goes to show that they're voting for the ends justify the means, 235 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:30.720 right, This is this is supposedly the group that cares about family values and 236 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:37.320 morality, and yet they constantly vote in people that are immoral, that don't 237 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:41.679 have family values, just because they again happen to agree with them on one 238 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:45.919 or two issues that they want to shove through, Cindy, Yeah, responding 239 00:16:45.919 --> 00:16:48.519 to what you just said and what doctor Rich said, I mean earlier saying 240 00:16:48.519 --> 00:16:52.960 that it will always work. I don't know if you saw it, but 241 00:16:52.519 --> 00:17:00.200 last weekend the Future Republican, he explicitly said something like, Hey, if 242 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:04.480 you talk about taxing the people, yeah, there will be like this, 243 00:17:04.680 --> 00:17:08.720 but if you talk to them about social issues, they will be cheering up 244 00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:12.119 like those trans things. You know, five years ago, what you talked 245 00:17:12.119 --> 00:17:15.559 about trans people, nobody knew anything about them, and now look at us. 246 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:22.119 And so he directly said to his people that he was cheering on them. 247 00:17:22.279 --> 00:17:25.440 Basically, he was laying to them he was misiting them, and they 248 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:30.160 chaired him for that. And that was just astonishing, both both of the 249 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:33.559 fact that he admitted to that on camera in front of thousands of people and 250 00:17:34.039 --> 00:17:37.920 the fact that he was admitting his tactics to the people who foll for it, 251 00:17:38.079 --> 00:17:41.319 and those same people just cheered Hi up, cheered him up. But 252 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:45.119 was astonishing. Yeah, Yeah, it always works, It always works, 253 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:49.119 and it's happening here. Our government are going Yes, I know, after 254 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:53.119 drags, everything's terrible. People are crossing the Channel on small boats and they're 255 00:17:53.119 --> 00:17:57.720 not English British. I mean, honest, look look at them. Look 256 00:17:57.759 --> 00:18:00.839 at them. And what I was saying, I was just saying now as 257 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:04.039 the whole what we're saying earlier about how you let people get away with things 258 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:07.079 if they're part of the in group. In someone that he's about as Christian, 259 00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:12.680 as a as an Islamic hitler who's married to Satan, doesn't matter to 260 00:18:12.759 --> 00:18:15.599 them. They're sort of well, yeah, but he agrees with that things. 261 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:18.200 It's part of the group. Will let that go. But you, 262 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:22.400 on the other side, you're not perfect. Even if they actually really really 263 00:18:22.440 --> 00:18:27.079 religious so fundamentally sleftist Christian, they'reill dislike more than this parody of a Christian. 264 00:18:27.319 --> 00:18:32.200 Pat Robbins, yeah, the former president. I remember once he said 265 00:18:32.279 --> 00:18:36.799 that he could shoot somebody in the middle of New York City and people would 266 00:18:36.799 --> 00:18:40.319 still vote for him. And it's true. I think he demonstrated to his 267 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:44.359 party that they can do whatever they want and they're still going to get reelected. 268 00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:48.920 And that's really unfortunate. Kelly yeah, I think you're right and this 269 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:52.440 you're it's all because they actually can just justify the ends by the means, 270 00:18:52.440 --> 00:18:56.400 and I don't. I don't understand it. I've never thought that that was 271 00:18:56.480 --> 00:19:00.240 correct. But I really had a good conversation here and I don't want to 272 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:03.160 thank everybody for watching and listening to it. And if you want to hear 273 00:19:03.279 --> 00:19:04.359 more nonprofits, you can click here.