WEBVTT 1 00:00:40.159 --> 00:00:47.000 Hello, and welcome to Open Minds Radio. I am Alejandro Rojas, and 2 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:54.799 as usual I have with me the incredible Jason McClellan, who reading is Alejandro. 3 00:00:54.920 --> 00:00:58.719 Thank you so much for having me on today. Yes, I'm glad 4 00:00:58.759 --> 00:01:00.880 you could join us, and I'm I'm glad you can join us pretty much 5 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:04.400 every week. Yep. It's always a sad week when I am unable to 6 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:08.519 join you on Open Minds UFO Radio, the show that I love very much. 7 00:01:08.799 --> 00:01:12.079 Not necessarily because if you can't join us often it means you're on vacation 8 00:01:12.280 --> 00:01:18.560 and that's fun. It still does depress me slightly when I don't get to 9 00:01:18.640 --> 00:01:22.519 join you. You say, and then roll over and go back to sleep. 10 00:01:22.799 --> 00:01:25.840 That's right. Yeah, Well what can you do? What can you 11 00:01:25.920 --> 00:01:30.640 do? So we have a really cool guest today, another person from Hollywood. 12 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:37.239 We've got Matty Beckerman, who is a director and producer for this new 13 00:01:37.319 --> 00:01:42.719 movie found footage movie that has come out called Alien Abduction. So it's been 14 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:48.560 kind of slowly rolling out that you can watch it online. But what's cool 15 00:01:48.599 --> 00:01:53.439 about this is we found out that the guy who did the movie and we're 16 00:01:53.439 --> 00:01:56.280 going to talk all about it, he really wasn't into this topic. He 17 00:01:56.359 --> 00:01:59.760 was a skeptic, and then when he researched for the movie, he's really 18 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:02.799 into it. And in fact, he's had kind of his own experiences since 19 00:02:02.840 --> 00:02:07.479 and we'll talk about that soon here in just a minute with Maddie. So 20 00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:10.479 that's gonna be really cool. So, and you've written about this, right, 21 00:02:10.520 --> 00:02:14.000 have you watched it yet? I have not watched it. I really 22 00:02:14.080 --> 00:02:17.280 want to see this. And so this is the one that's based on the 23 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:22.759 Brown Mountain Lights, right right exactly. It's kind of it happens in the 24 00:02:22.759 --> 00:02:28.960 Brown Mountains where that all takes place, and it is kind of attached to 25 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:31.960 all of that, and there's more to the Brown Mountains and all of those 26 00:02:32.039 --> 00:02:37.759 legends and mysteries, and I even knew, So we'll talk to him about 27 00:02:37.800 --> 00:02:39.919 that as well. Yeah, do you find that whole story fascinating? And 28 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:45.080 it's fascinating that that's sort of what this movie is based on. And I 29 00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:47.919 love that the guy did did his research into this and so much so that 30 00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:52.199 it's kind of convinced him of some things. So I'm really excited to see 31 00:02:52.199 --> 00:02:57.199 this movie. All right. So before we bring on mister Beckerman, let's 32 00:02:57.199 --> 00:03:01.400 talk some UFO news. So Jason, from the last week of UFO news, 33 00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:05.000 and we've got quite a few. What was your favorite? All right, 34 00:03:05.039 --> 00:03:07.439 Well, I'm going to go with a cool video. There was this 35 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:12.080 video of a UFO buzzing of football stadium in Argentina. Now football, of 36 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:15.240 course, we're meaning football to the rest of the world, soccer to us. 37 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:20.120 There was a soccer match taking place in Buenos Aires, Argentina, and 38 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:24.879 this video is from a camera and reportedly at the television camera that was set 39 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:30.680 up, and it's kind of at the sidelines and it's recording. It's capturing 40 00:03:30.719 --> 00:03:36.039 the final goal of the game and showing everybody celebrating and everything. But there's 41 00:03:36.039 --> 00:03:38.000 this UFO that you see from one end of the stadium. It appears in 42 00:03:38.039 --> 00:03:43.879 the sky and kind of it seems to change its direction and shoot and move 43 00:03:43.960 --> 00:03:46.800 at a very quick rate of speed. So this had a lot of people 44 00:03:47.360 --> 00:03:51.280 say, wow, there was a UFO. Check out its maneuverability. And 45 00:03:51.319 --> 00:03:55.800 even mister Scott Waring from the site UFO Sightings Daily that's routinely cited in a 46 00:03:55.840 --> 00:04:01.520 lot of these incredible UFO videos, he was quoted as saying, the UFO 47 00:04:01.560 --> 00:04:06.360 demonstrates incredible agility as it moves up and down in altitude. But what's even 48 00:04:06.400 --> 00:04:11.639 more remarkable is its speed and less than five seconds that circled half the stadium. 49 00:04:12.280 --> 00:04:15.360 It does look pretty impressive, and it does seem to cover a lot 50 00:04:15.399 --> 00:04:18.000 of the stadium in a very short period of time. When you watch the 51 00:04:18.040 --> 00:04:24.000 full video. There seem to be several UFOs in this video, and some 52 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:27.600 people pointed out that, you know, they could very easily be bugs or 53 00:04:27.680 --> 00:04:30.160 things like that that you know, would explain the fast movement, the blurs 54 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:33.600 and things like that, And I think we're looking at different things here. 55 00:04:33.639 --> 00:04:39.240 I think we are looking some of these mysterious lights that we see zoom off 56 00:04:39.240 --> 00:04:45.600 in the video are bugs or birds or anything else that would be flying quickly 57 00:04:45.639 --> 00:04:48.519 through the air. The main UFO, though that seems to have gotten the 58 00:04:48.519 --> 00:04:56.120 most attention, does appear very strange. Now, one possible identification for this, 59 00:04:56.279 --> 00:05:00.120 and I think it's a good possible identification, is what's called a There 60 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:03.079 are various names for it, but one is a skycam, and you get 61 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:09.120 the sense of what it is from the name skycam. It's these wire suspended 62 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:13.759 cameras that you'll see at all sporting events that are really used a lot in 63 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:17.079 American football games, and they're becoming more used in concerts and things like that. 64 00:05:17.480 --> 00:05:23.199 They provide production crews with these aerial views and they can zip these things 65 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:27.800 along the cables very quickly, and they do move very quickly, and they 66 00:05:27.800 --> 00:05:30.360 would especially be moving quickly. It would make sense at the end of the 67 00:05:30.360 --> 00:05:32.279 game when the production crew is getting ready to take all this stuff down. 68 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:39.199 That's one possibility. And yes, they do move quickly, and the camera's 69 00:05:39.240 --> 00:05:41.600 not focused on it, so it's going to be blurry. You wouldn't necessarily 70 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:46.839 make out the detail of it. That's just a possibility. Now, another 71 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:50.639 thing that we've seen in past videos that resembles the behavior of this light a 72 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:56.680 lot is airplanes coming in for landing at a nearby airport, and there are 73 00:05:56.879 --> 00:06:01.279 many airports in the vicinity of that stadium in Buenos Aires, and it would 74 00:06:01.720 --> 00:06:06.560 particularly look like an airplane landing if this were a time lapse video. Now, 75 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:10.759 look, judging by the light alone, I was ready to jump on 76 00:06:10.839 --> 00:06:14.279 board and say that this was in fact a time lass video like we see 77 00:06:14.319 --> 00:06:18.600 a lot of sporting events, because with the apparent change in altitude of this 78 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:24.800 thing and the way it turns and stuff spot on how an airplane would maneuver 79 00:06:24.920 --> 00:06:28.959 coming in for a landing at a nearby airport. But if you look at 80 00:06:28.959 --> 00:06:33.839 the audience and the players on the field and the flashes from cameras in the 81 00:06:33.879 --> 00:06:38.399 stands, it doesn't appear to be a time lapse video, and if it 82 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:46.680 is, it's you know, not time loss very much. So I wouldn't 83 00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:53.480 think that the movement of this unidentified object would be exaggerated that much. So, 84 00:06:53.639 --> 00:06:58.879 Alejandro, I think it's pretty mysterious. I am not entirely sure what 85 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:01.759 to make of this light. Yeah, I kind of agree with you on 86 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:08.199 the skycamp thing. I think that's a real strong possibility because it comes from 87 00:07:08.800 --> 00:07:14.800 over where the goal was being made and then zooms off of camera. So 88 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:19.079 I think that's a strong possibility. But I don't, I guess with this 89 00:07:19.160 --> 00:07:26.279 one. There's so many possibilities, you know, that are tip normal kind 90 00:07:26.319 --> 00:07:31.399 of things that you know. I certainly would not be too quick to jump 91 00:07:31.439 --> 00:07:36.480 to extra trestroal on this one, right, And I'm not going to jump 92 00:07:36.519 --> 00:07:40.879 to hoaxed video either. I mean, I did notice an anoma in the 93 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:44.519 video when I was listening to it, and watching it. There is a 94 00:07:44.560 --> 00:07:48.360 point in the video where the audio track fades out and then fades in again. 95 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:53.399 There's no reason for that, at least that we know. Of course, 96 00:07:53.439 --> 00:07:56.240 there could be a reason, but you know, that's that's a minor 97 00:07:56.319 --> 00:08:00.800 red flag showing that the video has for whatever reason, been edited at least 98 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:05.600 one time. So that was mysterious. But I don't really suspect any sort 99 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:09.839 of hoaxing here. Yeah, I think skycam is a good possibility, but 100 00:08:09.879 --> 00:08:15.680 it's just that the possibility. Yeah, and I mean this one. And 101 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:18.920 we're getting a lot of this certain people, and I guess this is nothing 102 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:24.800 unusual. Certain people are getting a lot of attention by immediately jumping to this 103 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:33.840 extraterrestrial conclusion with anything that is remotely different in the sky, and so many 104 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:39.039 of them turned out to be something mundane. But it's certainly working to make 105 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:43.159 certain people popular, and that gets a little frustrating because it's just putting out 106 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:52.120 more not as impressive stuff out there and getting pressed to stuff that and overshadows 107 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:54.000 some of the stuff that is more impressive. I think, yep, I 108 00:08:54.039 --> 00:08:58.159 agree with you completely. Yeah, Well, I thought the video was interesting, 109 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:01.919 you know, it was. There's not something that could easily be identified. 110 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:05.559 So there, there is definitely a mystery there. I think there are 111 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:11.039 some some possible and even probable answers to it. But it's still a fascinating 112 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:13.279 video and it has a mystery there. Yeah, But I mean the way 113 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:18.720 you covered it is right. You covered a lot of different possibilities and pointed 114 00:09:18.759 --> 00:09:22.240 out a lot of the different things going on, and you did a full 115 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:26.159 examination here. But unfortunately, a lot of the people who post this stuff 116 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:28.720 at first just say, oh, look at this weird video. It's got 117 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:31.159 to be an alien and and that's it. You know, they really don't. 118 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:33.000 I don't know what it is, so I know what it is, 119 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:37.320 right, So they really should do a full examination like you do before they 120 00:09:37.360 --> 00:09:41.000 come to any conclusions. But of course, jumping to a quick conclusion gets 121 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:46.840 you a lot of eyes and it gets a lot of people talking about you 122 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:50.320 and not so many people's focus. Yeah, that you are. You're a 123 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:52.720 little too kind to me there, sir, with thank you your kind words. 124 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:56.480 All right, so what is your story of the week? Well, 125 00:09:56.519 --> 00:10:01.080 and they're not just kind with their dessert because it's the best coverage of that 126 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:07.679 story I've seen that he wrote So another story that gets really popular on our 127 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:09.840 site, the one that I'm going to talk about. We have a few 128 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:13.159 other sightings that people can go check out, but I'm going to talk about 129 00:10:13.159 --> 00:10:18.480 this thing that Ben Hansen did. So Ben Hanson worked for the FBI. 130 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:24.600 He's worked for in law enforcement for several years for different groups, and he 131 00:10:24.639 --> 00:10:28.000 talks about how, you know, in law enforcement, of course, being 132 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:31.000 able to tell if someone is lying or not is really important, or if 133 00:10:31.039 --> 00:10:37.159 they're deceitful at all. And so he's studied, you know, the nonverbal 134 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:43.279 cues to find out if someone is being deceitful, and he mentions he's no 135 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:48.159 expert in it, but he's used it in his professional career as a law 136 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:52.519 enforcement agent with the different places he's worked, and so he's learned quite a 137 00:10:52.519 --> 00:10:58.320 bit about it. So he wanted to take a closer look at Jimmy Kimmel's 138 00:10:58.360 --> 00:11:03.440 interview with Clinton about UFOs, and so he did this long He said he 139 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:07.440 just wanted to kind of take a quick look, but it ended up being 140 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:11.120 like this thirty five minute YouTube thing that I know he spent a lot of 141 00:11:11.159 --> 00:11:15.000 time on because, like he said, he's not a professional editor or anything, 142 00:11:15.600 --> 00:11:18.000 but he did a good job and putting it together. It's very well 143 00:11:18.039 --> 00:11:22.639 done. But he analyzes it bit by bit and he's pretty convincing, I 144 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:30.200 think, and pointing out a lot of cues movements. How Clinton kind of 145 00:11:30.279 --> 00:11:35.759 changed his position and changed his It wasn't as open. He seemed to be 146 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:41.120 a little more reserved when he talked about UFOs and careful, and he seems 147 00:11:41.240 --> 00:11:46.879 nervous, if not a little stressed when he was talking about this stuff, 148 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:52.080 and that, to Hanson makes him think that perhaps there's some deceit or at 149 00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:56.559 least some stuff that he isn't sharing. You know. He kind of goes 150 00:11:56.600 --> 00:12:01.000 on to think that maybe Clinton knows a lot more at this and maybe he 151 00:12:01.039 --> 00:12:05.639 did find something unusual when he researched for oswell. But even though he says 152 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:11.720 that he is Clinton's stress, and I think he makes a good argument for 153 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:16.240 that, it's hard to say exactly why though, because of course, you 154 00:12:16.279 --> 00:12:20.679 look at someone like Kusinich who had a UFO siding, and when that was 155 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:22.759 brought up, you know, they made fun of him and it really damaged 156 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:26.519 him, I think a lot when he was running for president, and so 157 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:31.159 I think, you know, it could be just that Clinton's nervous about that, 158 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:33.399 careful and choosing what he says, so he doesn't seem like he's he's 159 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:37.320 a lunatic or really gone off the deep end or something like that. So 160 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:41.000 it's hard to say why he was nervous, but I think Hanson makes a 161 00:12:41.039 --> 00:12:46.080 good argument that he was more nervous during that part than other parts of their 162 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:50.399 talk. Yeah, I think you're right. I agree with you that the 163 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:58.480 body language analysis is great and determining possible elevated stress there, but anything beyond 164 00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:05.519 that is just presumption and an educated guess on VN. Hansen's part, and 165 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:09.000 it's certainly a possibility. But you know, as we've talked about a lot, 166 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:15.840 Clinton is very interested in UFOs, and you know, it would be 167 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:20.519 understandable if he's more stressed or agitated with that topic, because, as he 168 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:24.759 points out, it's been a topic of frustration for him and you know, 169 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:28.559 something that he's hit roadblocks with well. And what's cool is that he's never 170 00:13:28.600 --> 00:13:31.799 denied that he had an interest either. He did look into things and didn't 171 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:37.480 find much there. But of course I could say it would be hard to 172 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:43.080 say that and at the same time not be labeled a goofball, and of 173 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:46.639 course you know how the media can go crazy and go wild with stuff like 174 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:52.360 this, and so you have to really be careful with how you choose your 175 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:54.960 words. That doesn't happen. I think, Yeah, if it's a topic 176 00:13:54.120 --> 00:13:58.159 you know that, you know it's kind of a fringe topic and you're on 177 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:01.600 a comedy show it comes up, you know, this is something that you 178 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:05.200 are passionate about, something you believe in. That topic comes up, you're 179 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:09.320 not really sure how the questions are going to come and how how the audience 180 00:14:09.399 --> 00:14:13.240 is going to receive it. So I understand that's that's something that you and 181 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:16.960 I face, right, you know, when that comes up, especially in 182 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:20.759 an environment like that, I could see how it could be frustrating and a 183 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:24.440 little stressful. Here, all right, where's this gonna go? Right? 184 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:28.799 Yeah, exactly. So yeah, even like you said, we can feel 185 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:31.919 a little stressed when we're doing that sort of thing. So a little bit. 186 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:37.000 But it is really interesting and I think people have found it interesting that 187 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:39.960 that there was any stress there at all. The headlines that have come out 188 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:45.919 from from articles talking about Ben's and Ellis has been hilarious talking about how Clinton 189 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:50.399 stressed about UFOs and yeah, that's been a lot of fun. Yep, 190 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:54.559 yeap, so because I liked that, right and ires that what was ours 191 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:58.240 talking UFOs with Kimmel's stresses out Clinton? Yeah, that's kind of fun. 192 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:03.279 You're right, so cool. So there's the news, Thank you, Jason. 193 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:07.000 Of course you can go to Open Minds dot tv to see all of 194 00:15:07.039 --> 00:15:09.720 our news and we post stuff daily. Yes, we do, and we 195 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:15.519 do spacing out every week now, so look for spacing Out every week on 196 00:15:15.559 --> 00:15:20.080 our YouTube channel or just at Openlindes dot tv. Right, so let's go 197 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:24.879 ahead and talk with Matty Beckerman. All right, I am very excited to 198 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:31.559 have Matty Beckerman on the show, the director and producer for Alien Abduction, 199 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:35.480 the new movie. Hello, Hi, thank you so much for having me. 200 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:39.240 Yeah, I'm really excited to have you on the show, especially because 201 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:43.360 you're kind of a UFO enthusiast. I understand. Yeah, you know, 202 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:48.080 I really only became that way through making this film. Oh really, Yeah, 203 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:54.039 it kind of converted me into Initially I went into very skeptically, and 204 00:15:54.080 --> 00:15:58.480 then after interviewing people and really talking to them, locals who've been abducted and 205 00:15:58.480 --> 00:16:04.000 people who've seen the Brown Mountain Lights, their whole life. I converted into 206 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:10.679 someone who definitely believes and really follows it and studies it. Well, how 207 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:14.799 did you first? What inspired you then to make the movie? Was it 208 00:16:14.799 --> 00:16:18.000 a movie your idea or was it a project that was brought to you? 209 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:22.679 Now, it was my idea. My family have lived in the mountains of 210 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:29.399 North Carolina since the nineteen seventies, and I'd always heard the stories of the 211 00:16:29.399 --> 00:16:33.759 Brown Mountain Lights. And if someone's not familiar with it, for over eight 212 00:16:33.879 --> 00:16:41.559 hundred years, there have been these mysterious lights that appear and disappear around western 213 00:16:41.639 --> 00:16:48.919 North Carolina and it dates back to the Cherokee and Kataba Indians. And it's 214 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:52.600 real. I mean, I've seen the lights myself. I've took taken pictures 215 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:59.399 of them, and there's all these abduction stories that have happened right around that 216 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:03.519 area. Mm hmm. Yeah. I looked into the Brown Mountain Lights, 217 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:07.319 of course, on and off over the years. I got to be on 218 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:11.799 a travel channel show talking about it. But and I've seen lots of video, 219 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:17.480 and you're right, it's one of these mysteries that has never gone solved 220 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:22.720 but continues to take place. Yeah, it's it's pretty wild. I mean, 221 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:27.599 I'm you know, it's one thing to see these lights like across a 222 00:17:27.680 --> 00:17:33.880 parking lot and across a giant valley. It's another thing to see it ten 223 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:40.160 fifteen feet away, and then it chased you down the highway. Now pretty 224 00:17:40.160 --> 00:17:42.640 wild. I think you said you've had you had your own sighting. Was 225 00:17:42.640 --> 00:17:47.680 it during the shooting or was this trior? It was during the shooting. 226 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:52.680 I went up there with my wife, and you know, because the Brown 227 00:17:52.720 --> 00:17:56.559 Mountain area has a lot of its Native American, you know, history of 228 00:17:56.640 --> 00:18:03.079 the Cherokee and Kataba Indians. I brought a friend of mine who is a 229 00:18:04.039 --> 00:18:11.279 shaman who trained with the Caro in Peru, and we, the three of 230 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:17.599 us, sat up there and he saw and we all saw like a nine 231 00:18:17.680 --> 00:18:22.440 or ten of these giant orbs. It was massive. And I wasn't prepared 232 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:26.799 because we're just going there in like a whim. So I picked up my 233 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:30.200 iPhone and started trying to take pictures of him, and they're just too far 234 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:36.000 away for me to capture anything, but we took pictures of us standing around, 235 00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:41.200 and what shows up in those images is amazing. We actually have these 236 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:45.759 beams of light that are shooting around us. And off of us. And 237 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:52.240 then John, my shaman friend, started doing some energy work up there and 238 00:18:52.279 --> 00:18:56.960 you can clearly see these just beams of energy coming out of him. It's 239 00:18:57.079 --> 00:19:02.200 so cool. And I put it up on our website if you checked out 240 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:07.319 Alien abductionfilm dot com and went to my blog section, there's a whole bunch 241 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:11.640 of pictures we took that night, right. Actually, I was looking at 242 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:18.400 those so really strange and and with that, were there other encounters that happened? 243 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:22.359 Could you actually filmed in that area? Right? Yeah? You know 244 00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:26.480 we the whole movie is shot where the real lights are seen. You know. 245 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:32.480 We we were on location there the whole time, and everybody up there 246 00:19:32.559 --> 00:19:36.519 was affected by it, for sure. We all kind of felt that that 247 00:19:36.599 --> 00:19:42.480 vibe and energy. And the first night everybody moved into their places where they're 248 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:48.400 going to stay at this like old Ski Lodge and Corey, who plays the 249 00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:52.720 older brother, flipped out, came and found me at four o'clock in the 250 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:57.039 morning and said, there's there's something in my room standing over my bed. 251 00:19:59.599 --> 00:20:03.759 And it was enough to wake him up and freak him out and demand that 252 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:08.200 he switched rooms. Wow, So we did have a bunch of crazy experiences 253 00:20:08.279 --> 00:20:14.640 up there, and there's these lights and in this experience, I mean, 254 00:20:14.680 --> 00:20:19.039 there are some people who feel that, of course they might be extraterrestrial nature, 255 00:20:19.279 --> 00:20:22.519 but some feel that they could be ghosts too. Right. Yeah, 256 00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:26.359 there's you know, there's stories throughout history, being that it dates back so 257 00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:33.960 long. The original story was that there was a giant battle between the Cheroke 258 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:40.599 and Kataba Indians and that in that process the large amount of people died, 259 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:47.240 and the lights are the maidens of these Native Americans who go out looking for 260 00:20:47.279 --> 00:20:53.519 them that night. And then there's another amazing folk song called the Brown Mountain 261 00:20:53.599 --> 00:21:00.799 Lights where a plantation owner goes out hunting and he gets lost, and then 262 00:21:02.440 --> 00:21:07.359 all the workers go out looking for him and they also go missing. So 263 00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:12.319 this repeats itself, and it's a constant story of large groups of people going 264 00:21:12.359 --> 00:21:18.680 missing in the area throughout history. And it's always you know, people equated 265 00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:22.039 to ghost stories, people equated to all different types of things. But the 266 00:21:22.079 --> 00:21:27.839 people that I've interviewed directly who talk about being abducted and talk about gray aliens, 267 00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:33.480 that just makes it all the more compelling that something larger is going on 268 00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:37.599 here. And so I guess when you first came across this, you kind 269 00:21:37.599 --> 00:21:42.960 of noticed that the government had didn't done some research into this, and you 270 00:21:45.279 --> 00:21:51.000 first had chosen the title Project blue Book after that study, right, Yeah, 271 00:21:51.079 --> 00:21:53.680 Project blue Book had studied the brown mountain lights, you know, back 272 00:21:53.680 --> 00:21:57.640 in the nineteen fifties, and they could not explain what it was. It 273 00:21:57.680 --> 00:22:03.279 was one of the unexplained to five out of the tens of thousands of cases 274 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:07.960 that they took on. And we were contending was that Project blue Book has 275 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:11.400 not actually shut down, and it was a you know, fictional but it's 276 00:22:11.519 --> 00:22:15.920 kind of a fun premise that they just went into black ops, uh, 277 00:22:17.240 --> 00:22:21.960 and they kept the department alive and well, and that was kind of kind 278 00:22:21.960 --> 00:22:25.720 of just a fun way of thinking about how, you know, how the 279 00:22:25.799 --> 00:22:30.079 government still involved in the military is still involved now. I saw that on 280 00:22:30.119 --> 00:22:34.559 the viral website that you had. But is this a premise that's also introduced 281 00:22:34.559 --> 00:22:38.839 in the movie very slightly, I mean, we don't really get into the 282 00:22:38.880 --> 00:22:45.279 heavy details, but at the end of the film, when the camera has 283 00:22:45.319 --> 00:22:53.440 been found, what you see is a US Air Force you know, tent 284 00:22:55.079 --> 00:23:00.119 surrounding now where this camera has fallen, a Geiger counter reading the meter and 285 00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:07.759 a guy walks up with a gas mask and a Project Blue Book coverall you 286 00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:11.599 know, that's a hazmat suit in order to pick this camera up. And 287 00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:15.720 that's just a real flight like hint and saying like thank you to ufologists who 288 00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:18.920 follow this stuff, and saying like you know, if you guys get this, 289 00:23:19.839 --> 00:23:22.599 you know, you get it all right. You know what Project blue 290 00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:26.079 Book is, You'll you get that kind of wing well, and that's what's 291 00:23:26.160 --> 00:23:29.680 kind of cool. You know what with this movie is you've got lots of 292 00:23:29.720 --> 00:23:33.519 links to actual UFO research and all of that in here that there are different 293 00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:38.119 aspects you tried to stick to. And you even have a ufologist that was 294 00:23:38.160 --> 00:23:42.319 a consultant of yours and was in the movie, right. Yeah, So 295 00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:48.279 Joshua P. Warren, who you know, I met through the process of 296 00:23:48.279 --> 00:23:53.200 making this film. We interviewed him and his interview was great. So we 297 00:23:53.319 --> 00:23:59.680 ended up leading the entire opening of the film with interviews with you know, 298 00:23:59.799 --> 00:24:06.039 with local people and Joshua Warren and as professor of physics and astronomy who studies 299 00:24:06.039 --> 00:24:11.160 the Brown Mountain lights at Appalachian State University, Dan Cayton. You know, 300 00:24:11.519 --> 00:24:15.640 I still think and I keep on saying this, I think the Brown Mountain 301 00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:22.240 lights is bigger than Roswell. It's bigger than Area fifty one because people can 302 00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:27.240 actually go there today and see these lights, as have thousands of people for 303 00:24:27.480 --> 00:24:33.640 hundreds of years. This is a real phenomenon and it's freaky, and that's 304 00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:40.160 a really good point, you know. I think that's what makes this phenomenon. 305 00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:42.000 There's a couple of places in the world that are like this, but 306 00:24:42.880 --> 00:24:48.079 not too many in America, where like you've said, it's a continuing thing 307 00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:53.720 that people witness on a regular basis and has been reviewed on a regular basis 308 00:24:53.759 --> 00:24:59.200 throughout the years and has never been explained. Yeah, completely unexplained. And 309 00:24:59.279 --> 00:25:03.240 some and there's and it's been studied by the US government three separate times that 310 00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:07.839 we know of, and the military are definitely running some operations up there. 311 00:25:08.839 --> 00:25:15.480 There's you know, there's definitely reports of like large groups of military throughout the 312 00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:19.640 area, and you know, strange guys in in uh in black SUVs, 313 00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:25.599 you know, monitoring people who go out there with any kind of testing equipment. 314 00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:29.440 That happened to Joshua Warren. He was telling me that, you know, 315 00:25:29.480 --> 00:25:32.960 they were when he went out there with a whole National Geographics crew to 316 00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:37.200 try to figure out what the lights were with some pretty heavy duty equipment. 317 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:48.160 They were pursued by unmarked you know, SUVs, and seems to seems to 318 00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:55.000 be some kind of cover up going on there, mm hmm. And less 319 00:25:55.480 --> 00:26:00.839 commonly known, I think, is are all these cases of missing persons. 320 00:26:00.920 --> 00:26:04.279 Like I was aware of the song, but I didn't wasn't aware that this 321 00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:10.640 was a phenomenon as continued through the years as well. Yeah, yeah, 322 00:26:11.039 --> 00:26:15.440 And it's a typical thing. People see the lights, then someone goes missing. 323 00:26:17.559 --> 00:26:21.799 People got looking for that person, and then those people end up missing 324 00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:26.400 as well, and that is that is a folklore kind of story. That's 325 00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:33.880 what happens throughout throughout history. But the modern occurrences of abduction there are are 326 00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:38.839 pretty startling. So one interview we have in the film, a woman goes 327 00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:42.119 and she sees these these lights in the sky, the Brown Mountain lights. 328 00:26:42.279 --> 00:26:49.200 She heads home and she is sucked up against the ceiling of her bedroom. 329 00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:53.839 She wakes up as if in a dream, in her bed, and her 330 00:26:53.920 --> 00:26:57.000 husband jumps out of bed next door and says, oh my god, I 331 00:26:57.119 --> 00:27:02.039 just had the worst nightmare. I was sucked up against the ceiling of the 332 00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:07.240 house. Right as that happened, their daughter comes running in the room and 333 00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:11.799 says, where have you two been for the past day and a half. 334 00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:18.720 We've been looking everywhere for you. Wow. Yeah, that's the that's like 335 00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:23.160 one of the you know, time loss stories, one of many of people 336 00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:30.240 seeing the lights, losing time, waking up somewhere unfamiliar to them or familiar. 337 00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:34.759 But this happens over and over. So prior to you know, you 338 00:27:34.839 --> 00:27:40.680 getting into the movie, you hadn't really known about these stories, and worse, 339 00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:45.160 skeptical, this had to be kind of shocking to you. It was, 340 00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:47.680 you know, I went into this really just making a movie. It 341 00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:52.119 was going to be fiction and kind of you know funds. And then you 342 00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:57.519 know, I started interviewing people. And these were police officers, these were 343 00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:04.680 school teachers, these were people who salted the Earth's just great people who had 344 00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:11.400 no reason to create a story. And actually, when I interviewed the sheriff 345 00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:18.720 there and I won't say his name, he asked that we not use the 346 00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:22.880 interview after the fact. Wow. And I said, you know, of 347 00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:29.839 course, he was cared that his reputation would be harmed and that he could 348 00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:34.240 lose his job and the ridicule that would come down on him from the department, 349 00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:38.200 you know, and I don't I don't blame them at all. And 350 00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:44.880 these are you know, these are constant stories of abduction throughout that area, 351 00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:48.799 I know, for me and for others. You know, like when you 352 00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:53.960 accept that these other realities or these other possibilities could be going on, it 353 00:28:55.039 --> 00:29:00.240 kind of changes your worldview and it can be kind of a shock to that, 354 00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:04.720 to the system. Did you experience that, Yeah, completely. And 355 00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:08.599 I feel like this is gonna sound a little hokey, but I was almost 356 00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:15.000 meant to make this film so that it would change my concepts from skepticism to 357 00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:19.839 open mindedness. And uh, my life has changed because of it. You 358 00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:23.079 know, I'm really looking at things in a different light and I have a 359 00:29:23.119 --> 00:29:30.000 little bit more faith and kind of the unknown around me now when it comes 360 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:33.799 to the nature of the phenomena, I mean, what what do you think 361 00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:40.759 when it comes to you know, possibly ghosts, possibly extraterrestral or other given 362 00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:44.799 your research in your interviews, what do you think you know? There there 363 00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:48.799 is an energy there, there is some kind of you know, main like 364 00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:56.359 vortex type you know, feeling, it's it's so hard to describe, but 365 00:29:56.440 --> 00:30:03.359 while I was up there, it was it was electrifying. It was it 366 00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:08.000 was a different kind of vibe. So the lights coming there, it must 367 00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:14.599 just be attracting this type of energy there, And I think it is extraterrestrial, 368 00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:22.400 whether it's the actual Graves who we actually depict in the film, or 369 00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:26.599 some kind of energy being that can travel and connect with these universe right at 370 00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:32.079 that spot. You know, I don't know for sure, but I know 371 00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:37.599 it definitely is real. There's something there, and I've been affected by it. 372 00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:41.920 You mentioned the how it would just you know, you covered the aliens 373 00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:47.519 and how the extraterrestrial was kind of an answer to the phenomena that you went 374 00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:52.000 with and that you're talking about, you know, abduction stories and things like 375 00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:55.599 this, and it was important for you. It looks like to portray the 376 00:30:55.720 --> 00:31:02.160 beings in an accurate way as to what witnesses had described as well. Yeah, 377 00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:07.000 you know, I tried to keep the you know, the stories of 378 00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:11.000 people had told me. I tried to stick to that. And you know, 379 00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:19.200 the classic gray alien is in most abduction stories, and so I felt 380 00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:26.279 the obligation to keep that, keep that look and keep that feel. So 381 00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:29.680 it seems like you had a sense, I mean, in a lot of 382 00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:33.640 the movie to kind of try to get out some of this research that you 383 00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:40.279 were finding, not just kind of stick to a complete fictional kind of interpretation. 384 00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:45.960 Yeah, every scene is based on reality, based on things that have 385 00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:52.119 happened, and based on people's recollection of their abduction stories. One of the 386 00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:55.400 scenes, you know, one of the clips that was released that got a 387 00:31:55.400 --> 00:32:00.599 lot of attention was that the birds falling from this guy. Was that something 388 00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:04.880 that's been reported in that area. Yeah, so in West Virginia not too 389 00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:09.839 far from there, Like you know, tens of thousands of birds died and 390 00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:15.519 just fell out of the sky and there was no understanding of what it could 391 00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:20.880 be. There's also you know, these giant fish kills that have been happening 392 00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:29.279 recently where millions of fish will beach themselves on shorelines, and you know, 393 00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:38.400 these mass extinctions I would call them are are something that no one can explain. 394 00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:43.599 They don't know why it's happening, and we just put a little twist 395 00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:50.559 on it that it is something that's being controlled, right and that yet it's 396 00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:52.839 kind of a scary scene where these people are kind of pelted with all these 397 00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:57.400 things. Yeah. Yeah, I even imagine being in the middle of that 398 00:32:57.519 --> 00:33:04.799 with it's almost out of hitchcocks and the birds. You know, you've got 399 00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:10.160 tens of thousands of birds raining down from the sky. Yeah. Speaking of 400 00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:15.759 coming down from the sky, it's kind of interesting too, the footage or 401 00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:22.240 that you have of the found the camera that the producers that found footage comes 402 00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:27.960 from from the sky. And how did you get this shot, you know 403 00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:32.319 where it's the camera going out into the lower orbit. Well, what we 404 00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:38.720 did was our director of photography, Luke Geisbueler, had created this viral video 405 00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:45.839 where he took a weather balloon launched it into low earth orbit with a GoPro 406 00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:51.799 camera attached to it. And I had no idea he had done this when 407 00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:55.599 we first started production. But I had this scene I had written in where 408 00:33:55.599 --> 00:34:00.680 the family gets abducted and sucked up in a space and yeah, I didn't 409 00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:04.519 know how we were going to do that because nothing we do is CG. 410 00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:09.320 I just didn't have the budget for it. Yeah. I mean we did 411 00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:15.480 do tiny little CG things, but we definitely didn't there's not one full CG 412 00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:20.719 scene. Wow. Yeah, So we had to really practically do this So 413 00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:24.159 when we get on set, I see this giant weather balloon and all the 414 00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:27.599 gear started coming in. I'm like, Luke, what are we doing? 415 00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:30.920 He said, Oh, We're going to launch the family and into space. 416 00:34:31.159 --> 00:34:36.519 Uh. So we actually did it. We did this. We launched the 417 00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:42.079 balloon and we were tracking it with these GPS trackers and one of them was 418 00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:46.119 an iPhone, but it would find my iPhone in it. But those shots 419 00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:54.000 we got were of the real curvature of the Earth actually space, and the 420 00:34:54.039 --> 00:34:59.119 balloon goes up and at a certain point it explodes because of the pressure and 421 00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:04.960 then the camera falls back to Earth. All those shots are real. We 422 00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:08.480 did not know where the camera was going to land, and we lost two 423 00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:15.320 cameras. Two Oh my gosh. Yeah. The first one is somewhere in 424 00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:22.280 the Great Smoking Mountains National Forest and the last no GPS coordinates are. I'm 425 00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:24.920 going to post them at some point and then I'm going to give a reward. 426 00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:30.159 That is so cool because we've thought of doing that, because I've seen 427 00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:35.760 these kits you can buy to do that and send up a go pro and 428 00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:38.000 they kind of try to sell them to companies to you know, because you 429 00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:45.559 can mount your logo or something in the foreground this concept. But my DP 430 00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:50.039 was the first guy to do this, and then City Bank did it and 431 00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:52.559 made a commercial out of it, and people have done this now based on 432 00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:58.960 his his initial design. Oh that is really cool. Yeah, it was 433 00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:00.679 so much fun, let me tell you. I mean it was. It 434 00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:05.760 was a blast, so cool to try to track this thing and figure it 435 00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:09.920 out, and it was so cool. Well, and it's also kind of 436 00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:14.159 cool that this And just like you described, a lot of the shots were 437 00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:19.199 done without CG, which especially these days, is kind of unheard of, 438 00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:23.800 especially with sci fi. Did it offer up a lot of challenges? Were 439 00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:28.320 there some benefit to that you found? I think there are tons of benefits 440 00:36:28.360 --> 00:36:30.440 to it. I mean I'm a fan of the first you know, Star 441 00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:37.280 Wars original and then episode one like destroyed it for me with CG. Like 442 00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:44.960 I mean, I think when you have you have too much computer graphics, 443 00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:50.800 it becomes fake feeling. Yeah, and everything we did was practical. Everything 444 00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:54.840 we did was in camera. I mean, the aliens are real, and 445 00:36:55.239 --> 00:37:01.039 we hid them from site from the actors up until the moment they see it 446 00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:06.639 for the first time. Wow, no actors had seen this thing and it 447 00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:13.199 freaked them out. And it's legitimate fear, legitimate scare. It's different when 448 00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:16.639 you're doing that versus some computer graphic that's not there yet in the scene the 449 00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:21.480 actors can't work with it. Yeah, it seems like that would be a 450 00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:25.639 lot harder, which is what they do these days, you know, fearing 451 00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:31.519 the grease green screen as opposed to something that's actually chasing you down. Yeah. 452 00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:37.559 I mean we didn't do any green screen. We actually, I couldn't 453 00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:40.159 afford it, right, Yeah, well that's cool, And you know, 454 00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:45.880 it's funny you bring that up because especially in the transition, you know, 455 00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:52.000 when two CG from the Models was happening, I was so different disappointed because 456 00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:58.320 I'm a big sci fi buff and I hated the CG stuff because it was 457 00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:00.679 just so fake looking. Like I remember, you know, I love the 458 00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:05.800 Star Trek shows and I wouldn't watch like Babylons five because of all the CG 459 00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:09.840 and and it does the land. I mean, of course, film is 460 00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:14.960 beautiful, the camera work with a lend is all of that can look really 461 00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:19.000 cool. And of course Star Wars like you mentioned, oh and two thousand 462 00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:22.760 and one, you know, did an amazing job with models. So yeah, 463 00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:25.119 although you know, when you go back and you actually physically can see 464 00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:30.559 something and you don't have to recreate every little piece, it makes a huge 465 00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:38.199 difference. I mean it shows like you know, Star Trek and even what 466 00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:43.559 is it Farscape? Well, yeah, a lot of the models actually there. 467 00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:46.920 I mean I'm a huge science fiction geek, so yeah, I get 468 00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:52.239 into this stuff. Yeah, totally cool. That's really interesting and which is 469 00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:59.039 also great because people have talked about how the film looks so good. You 470 00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:00.960 know, the de camera works well done, and I mean I think that's 471 00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:09.119 especially important when there isn't tg work, which everything has these days. Yeah, 472 00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:14.280 I'd like the constraint of not being able to do that, the constraint 473 00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:19.199 of having to be creative in a different way or you can fix that in 474 00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:22.280 posts, you can't because you have to have everything there. I mean, 475 00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:25.880 the birds are real. Like what we did was when the birds are falling 476 00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:31.159 from the sky, we actually had four hundred plus birds that I had a 477 00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:37.760 crew of like forty people standing on the sides of the roads throwing them and 478 00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:49.159 the birds are actually physically raining down in that car and the like stuffed we 479 00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:52.880 ordered. Like for some reason, people on Amazon like to create crafts with 480 00:39:52.920 --> 00:40:00.400 these giant crows and it's like a thing. So we ordered like every stuffed 481 00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:05.280 bird that you could find on the internet. That's funny. Wow, weird. 482 00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:09.280 There's probably a stuff crow shortage out there. Yeah, this for like 483 00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:14.519 witchcraft work or something like that. The heck nos. But we have all 484 00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:16.719 of them, so hands off. Well, now you can put them up 485 00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:21.519 on eBay and that. But we couldn't find Oh yeah we could. We 486 00:40:21.519 --> 00:40:23.199 could do that. It'd be funny. Yeah, make the money, yeah, 487 00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:27.039 make the money because people buy them. They're using them for their whatever 488 00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:31.360 dark arts. That right. But we we ran out of birds and we 489 00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:36.480 needed more, and uh we we figured that you know, the ones that 490 00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:38.360 are closer to camera, you could really make out what they are, but 491 00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:43.639 the ones that are further down the road, those ones are just a black 492 00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:49.400 dot. So we got water bottles and painted them black, got a piece 493 00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:54.880 of carpeting and cut them out a black carpeting and it looks almost perfect and 494 00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:59.960 has the good weight to it too, because it's filled. And we were 495 00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:07.239 throwing these water bottles with carpeting ripped out in order to get these shots. 496 00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:10.840 It was a ton of fun and I loved it. I mean, we 497 00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:16.480 couldn't get We had to do that shot about fifteen times. Wow, and 498 00:41:16.519 --> 00:41:20.519 it wasn't working. Like, I was having a real hard time getting a 499 00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:25.559 first bird impact the windshield of their car. We tried throwing it, we 500 00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:31.239 tried getting a rope and like having them run directly into it just wasn't working. 501 00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:35.079 And we had, you know, a huge group of people out there 502 00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:38.840 that day, at least one hundred and fifty working on the scene, mainly 503 00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:43.559 volunteers, mainly people you know from the university who wanted to help out. 504 00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:47.440 Trying to coordinate everybody and keep them all, you know, in place, 505 00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:52.079 it's tough. So finally I was like, it's through it, and I 506 00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:58.760 got one of these birds and I put it on a fishing pole and I 507 00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:06.400 got on on the roof of the car and I was smashing this bird into 508 00:42:06.440 --> 00:42:12.440 the windshield well while it was while the car was moving, so it was 509 00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:17.320 it was pretty treacherous. My wife is gonna kill me for doing that's hilarious. 510 00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:22.960 That's funny. Well, and what's funny too is that it seems counterintuitive 511 00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:28.800 that you know, doing it the way you did it would be cheaper than 512 00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:31.320 CG. I think, you know, people when this verse came along. 513 00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:35.159 You think, Oh, people can sit in their basement and make their movie. 514 00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:38.679 I have, And it's weird that that it's come about that way. 515 00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:45.960 Yeah, it's it's so expensive because the processing power you need is massive. 516 00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:50.800 And these guys are artists who do the CG work. I mean they're they're 517 00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:57.239 highly skilled and I they're too, We're just expensive. When you get a 518 00:42:57.280 --> 00:43:00.719 big CG house who knows how to do it the correct way, they cost 519 00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:04.440 a fortune and because they're used to getting paid that. I mean you look 520 00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:07.960 at Avatar and they spend two hundred and fifty million dollars to make a movie. 521 00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:13.800 I mean our film was under eight hundred thousand dollars to make. Right. 522 00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:17.599 Wow, it's funny and you know what it reminds me of, And 523 00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:22.480 I'm sure you're familiar with this because it was kind of before CG was really 524 00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:28.920 a rolling and it's certainly not a well produced piece, I think, but 525 00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:35.320 very effective. Was Alien Abduction, same title incident in Lake County. Oh 526 00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:37.480 yeah, yeah, that was in like nineteen eighty nine, right, And 527 00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:40.679 I'm so I'm sure you're familiar with that, and that was you know, 528 00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:49.239 kind of found footage aliened to this family being abducted, and even though it's 529 00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:52.639 kind of cheesy, it's really scary. Yeah, you know, for what 530 00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:58.880 it was back then, it definitely you know, impacted people. I mean 531 00:43:59.079 --> 00:44:02.800 I remember, I don't think I saw it until after we made our movie. 532 00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:07.599 I didn't, but but people pointed it out to me, of course 533 00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:09.760 afterwards, and we're like, hey, you need to see this. I 534 00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:13.840 was like, oh, man, you know, it's funny because you can 535 00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:19.360 see some well known actors in it. Now. Yeah, yeah, you 536 00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:24.199 go back, you watch it, and I mean the show Entourage, Sloan 537 00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:30.199 who's his girlfriend, is clearly in it. Oh, It's it's so funny 538 00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:37.159 to see that guess when they're first starting off, you know, when when 539 00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:40.880 she was first starting off as an actress. Right our movie is you know, 540 00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:46.159 on demand right now, we're like climbing the charts. It's like such 541 00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:52.800 an amazing thing to see. I'm just so happy that things have worked the 542 00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:59.079 way they have and that IFD put us out and we had these amazing producers, 543 00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:07.119 Lawrence Bender and Mike Flice and Lawrence Bender, uh did every Tarantino movie 544 00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:14.719 from Reservoir Dogs, Wow J and Kill Bill and Glorious bastards like he's Laurence 545 00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:21.440 Lawrence is Tarantino's producer, and he got involved really early, and it was 546 00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:24.119 incredible to have someone like that. And that's probably why we've done what we 547 00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:29.400 have, is because we had support from from producers like Lawrence and Mike, 548 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:35.320 and Mike did Hostel and Texas Chainsaw Massacre mm hm, and so our little 549 00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:37.360 movie, it's like a little engine that could we just keep on plugging away? 550 00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:42.079 Yeah, Well, I wanted to ask another question about that, the 551 00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:46.719 found footage genre and taking that aspect. So like when Lake County happened, 552 00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:51.360 I mean, found footage was not a big thing. Uh, you know 553 00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:54.920 that, and but it was effective in the Lake County peace. But now 554 00:45:54.960 --> 00:46:00.840 it seems like, especially for alien movies, that found footage is really popular. 555 00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:05.280 Why did you choose to do it and why do you think that is? 556 00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:10.320 Well? I had met with this psychologist and he had an autistic patient 557 00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:16.519 who was a kid about eleven years old, and Uh, this kid stopped 558 00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:24.599 speaking at all. He kind of went went quiet and kind of inward and 559 00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:30.639 wouldn't speak to anybody, wouldn't react to people. And the he used to 560 00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:37.400 you know, play with uh with his mom's phone and and and that's about 561 00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:43.119 what he would do. So the psychologist gave him a flip camera. Uh, 562 00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:49.840 and this kid started using the flip camera as almost his like security blanket, 563 00:46:49.960 --> 00:46:53.400 and he would start talking when he would make these videos with that flipcamp 564 00:46:54.079 --> 00:46:59.440 it would allow him to somehow filter out all the input he was getting from 565 00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:05.920 the rest of the world and use that camera as his security blanket. So 566 00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:09.599 I really found it fascinating, and I said, this is a great premise 567 00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:14.280 for how, you know, in like Colverfield or a movie like that, 568 00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:19.639 I think someone would drop the camera at some point they're in the midst of 569 00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:23.440 this scary, crazy stuff when the giant got zillo like beaf shows up, 570 00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:29.480 I'm dropping that thing. I'm running right, But if it is my safety 571 00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:34.760 blanket, if it is something that I can't be without, like this autistic 572 00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:37.119 kid, you're going to keep that camera on. You're going to keep rolling 573 00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:43.199 right. He's the only thing that keeps your saying right. And that's what 574 00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:45.519 we did here, is exactly that. Yeah, that makes a lot of 575 00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:51.360 sense, and you're right it It justifies because that can kind of, you 576 00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:53.519 know, deter from the reality of some of the movies where you're like, 577 00:47:53.519 --> 00:47:58.360 why are they still holding this camera? Like you said, this giant monsters 578 00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:00.599 coming at him or killing people in front of them in there, still holding 579 00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:05.960 the stupid camera. Yeah, they're still in it. But I think we 580 00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:09.960 solve that issue with this this way of telling the story. Cool yea. 581 00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:19.880 So now that you take this phenomena more seriously, how do people react when 582 00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:22.360 you tell them that? Because I'm sure some people ask you, well, 583 00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:25.840 you don't really believe in this stuff, right, how do you? I 584 00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:31.639 defend it full on. I completely defend it because it's important to me that 585 00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:37.079 when people come and share their stories of abduction with me, they know I 586 00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:42.800 will I will be on their side. They know that I will not ridicule 587 00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:45.639 them, I will not think they're not telling the truth. I'll listen completely, 588 00:48:46.239 --> 00:48:51.159 you know, open hearted, and say, you know, I understand. 589 00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:54.800 And I think that's super important. I think anytime you're making a film 590 00:48:54.840 --> 00:49:00.719 and you're trying to get the realism there, you have to fully engage yourself 591 00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:05.559 in that topic. You have to completely immerse yourself in the universe that is 592 00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:13.400 this, this storyline and I'm in man, are you planning on doing anything 593 00:49:13.400 --> 00:49:21.119 else in this this kind of arena influenced by this this newfound knowledge. Yeah. 594 00:49:21.159 --> 00:49:25.880 I think the thing that's fascinating me the most right now is hypnotic regression 595 00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:37.840 and quantum what is it called the qh H T and quantum quantum healing hypnotherapy, 596 00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:45.719 and people are being regressed into past lives and they go back beyond the 597 00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:50.159 past lives into are you familiar with this stuff? Yes? Okay, So 598 00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:54.480 they go beyond the past lives and suddenly they hit this higher self, this 599 00:49:54.679 --> 00:50:00.840 master, if you will, who kind of is a god in their own 600 00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:08.639 life and is your subconscious level higher self coming through, And then people are 601 00:50:08.639 --> 00:50:17.960 going back even further beyond that and contacting what they're calling alien life, extraterrestrial 602 00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:25.400 life. It's a little known piece of science right now, and I think 603 00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:32.000 it hasn't been talked about. And I'm really fascinated with it because one I 604 00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:38.440 was regressed myself about a month ago, and the things that were coming out 605 00:50:38.440 --> 00:50:45.039 of my mouth were insane. And you know, it's one thing to sit 606 00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:51.079 down with a medium and have them tell you blah blah blah your relatives or 607 00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:54.519 this and that who have passed another thing for it to come out of your 608 00:50:54.599 --> 00:51:00.920 own mouth out of another voice that is not yours speaking through you, right, 609 00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:07.000 and that actually happened to me. Now, finally, when it comes 610 00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:12.960 back to the Brown Mountain lights and all of these people you interviewed, was 611 00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:16.639 there one story that stands out or maybe if there are a few, if 612 00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:23.599 you could pick one of them that had really made you think and really struck 613 00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:29.800 you. Yeah. So the police officer I interviewed, so he was on 614 00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:36.920 patrol, riding past the overlooks, stopped there for a moment, and a 615 00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:43.880 giant orb came up over the gorge, up right onto the highway. It 616 00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:51.280 stationed itself above his car. He flipped out, started racing away from it. 617 00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:54.039 It chased him down the highway for a long time. The next thing 618 00:51:54.079 --> 00:52:00.920 he knows, he's waking up in his car, like a day and a 619 00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:06.199 half later. Uh, And he has no recollection of what happened to him. 620 00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:12.960 Wow, And this is a typical story. This is something that keeps 621 00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:16.199 repeating itself. Right, And why do you think people don't pay more attention 622 00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:22.000 to it? I mean, that's so shocking. Why isn't this a bigger 623 00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:23.960 deal? You know, with the media and everybody out there. People are 624 00:52:24.039 --> 00:52:29.039 dismissive. You know, you hear a story like that and they're like, 625 00:52:29.079 --> 00:52:32.119 oh, this person is just nuts. But the problem is you hear a 626 00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:37.119 hundred stories like that and you that's that's where you know, I can't get 627 00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:42.880 past it. Maybe maybe it's just like a group think mentality where people are 628 00:52:42.880 --> 00:52:46.280 feeding off of one another. But these are not people who want to have 629 00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:51.960 this story out there, right, These are these are people who are terrified 630 00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:55.880 by it. And I don't know, I think it's easy for you know, 631 00:52:55.960 --> 00:53:02.480 the modern media to kind of look past people as wackos, right, 632 00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:06.760 And I think, you know, people don't realize kind of like you said, 633 00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:10.360 when these things happen, it's not like people want to go share that 634 00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:15.039 this happened to them or you know that. I think they think, oh, 635 00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:19.920 well, this cop would have gone to the police station and gotten all 636 00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:22.280 of his buddies and they would have all gone to figure out what's going on 637 00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:27.920 and talk to the media. No, well, if he would have gone 638 00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:30.079 to the police station and talk about this, they would have all made fun 639 00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:35.599 of him for the rest of his career exactly. They would have torn this 640 00:53:35.719 --> 00:53:38.360 poor guy apart. And that's not I mean, there's a few of those 641 00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:44.440 stories. There's actually a group of people. Josha Warren told me about this, 642 00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:47.440 So he interviewed a group of about ten people who were there this night. 643 00:53:50.119 --> 00:53:54.280 This guy and his group of friends went to their life and they were 644 00:53:54.280 --> 00:53:58.719 about to go see the life of they overlook and by the way, this 645 00:53:58.800 --> 00:54:02.320 is a clearly marked area on the side of two major highways and its own 646 00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:07.239 overlook called Wiseman's View where there are signs of that say brown mountain lights, 647 00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:12.280 here's the history, and that's where he look to him. No, it's 648 00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:15.599 not like it's a hidden thing. So they all go to the overlook and 649 00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:23.480 they're about to leave, and suddenly two major major orbs show up, come 650 00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:30.159 right up onto the overlook. Everybody's running away from them, except this one 651 00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:37.960 dude who is crazy enough to walk straight up to it. Everybody's like no, 652 00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:40.519 no, no, no, get away, freaking out, and he 653 00:54:40.599 --> 00:54:45.119 takes his arm and he sticks his hand right into it. Wow. And 654 00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:51.159 there's two different sides of this story. One is his perspective and then the 655 00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:54.880 others the people who actually witnessed it. He said it was like sticking his 656 00:54:54.880 --> 00:54:59.960 finger in an electrical socket, and it was an instant he said it happened 657 00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:04.159 like in moments. I got a few seconds. The people that were with 658 00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:08.400 him said he was stiff as a board with his arm out for a good 659 00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:15.360 five or six minutes and they couldn't do anything about it. Wow. So 660 00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:22.320 there's definitely some time disortion going on there perceptually, you know. So there's 661 00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:25.639 all these stories that come out of this area cost Now, when with these 662 00:55:25.679 --> 00:55:29.480 stories, it makes you kind of think, Okay, cool, there's a 663 00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:31.440 place where you can go to witness this phenomena. But then when you tell 664 00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:35.280 some of these more scary stories, it's like, well, maybe I don't 665 00:55:35.280 --> 00:55:38.199 want to go there and check it out. After all. There's there's a 666 00:55:38.239 --> 00:55:45.559 guy that used to live there who passed away named Ralph Lale. And Ralph 667 00:55:45.719 --> 00:55:51.280 owned a gem shop. He would sell like you know, geo's and cool 668 00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:54.400 stuff up there. But he was you know, good redneck hillbilly kind of 669 00:55:54.400 --> 00:56:00.760 guy. And he would pack a one and you know, walk out into 670 00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:07.000 the woods and say I'm going to meet my alien friends now. And he 671 00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:13.800 would disappear for weeks at a time with nothing with him and show back up, 672 00:56:14.639 --> 00:56:17.039 and you know, everyone thought he was just a kookie. Ralph Rayle. 673 00:56:17.880 --> 00:56:22.840 But what he had in his shop, and I don't know how true 674 00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:25.880 this is, but I've seen the pictures. He had what he claimed was 675 00:56:25.920 --> 00:56:34.199 an extraterrestrial body, and he would take people into this back room and show 676 00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:39.920 them this thing. And this is all at Brown Mountain and he said the 677 00:56:40.039 --> 00:56:45.159 lights are definitely you know, the UFOs, And he has a picture of 678 00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:50.039 this thing up and actually, if you get at Joshua P. Warren dot 679 00:56:50.079 --> 00:56:52.800 com, he has the picture up there and it might be actually Brown Mountain 680 00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:57.840 Lights dot com too. Yeah, the picture of this alien body is there. 681 00:56:59.119 --> 00:57:02.800 It's funny you say that because I had this very picture up when you 682 00:57:02.920 --> 00:57:07.360 started talking about it. I was at Joshua Horren site. So yeah, 683 00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:12.239 pretty weird stuff, that's for sure. Yeah. I mean you can't really 684 00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:15.159 tell what it is. It's not as clear as that body they found in 685 00:57:15.199 --> 00:57:22.360 the out of Comma Desert, and it definitely looks inhuman. You can't really 686 00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:28.960 see what it is. But you know, when Ralph Leal died, his 687 00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:37.039 shop was bulldozed. Nobody knows why, and the body has never been recovered. 688 00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:44.119 Do you get a sense that there is some sort of cover up at 689 00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:49.880 the government or somebody knows more and the information is being hidden. Oh yeah, 690 00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:54.679 for sure. I didn't think that at first, but I definitely think 691 00:57:54.679 --> 00:57:59.840 it now. I mean because I've talked to people who have seen massive an 692 00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:05.519 eye so military and moving through that area and and you know, so this 693 00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:10.519 was a hot spot for UFOs or that plasma energy that's been created by the 694 00:58:10.599 --> 00:58:15.679 light is something if I was in the military, I would try to figure 695 00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:21.320 out a way to harness that energy and use it. And that's what Joshua 696 00:58:21.400 --> 00:58:25.360 Warren's theory was, is that that plasma energy is something you know, it's 697 00:58:25.559 --> 00:58:30.880 powered by that's the power of the sun. So if you could tap into 698 00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:37.880 that and weaponize it, it could be something pretty formidable. Wow. Interesting, 699 00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:44.320 So your movie started. It was premiered about a month ago. People 700 00:58:44.320 --> 00:58:47.119 can see it on video on demand on all of the major places Google Play, 701 00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:52.760 Amazon, iTunes, and if they go to Alien abductionfilm dot com they'll 702 00:58:52.800 --> 00:58:57.039 be able to see all of this. And then also a listing of theaters. 703 00:58:57.920 --> 00:59:00.480 Yeah, yeah, we were in movie theaters and you know we're in 704 00:59:01.159 --> 00:59:06.719 Portland, Oregon right now. I think that was the last showing we have. 705 00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:10.719 But now you can watch it on demand and see it on most major 706 00:59:10.840 --> 00:59:15.159 cable networks as well. Okay, cool, all right, Well, thank 707 00:59:15.199 --> 00:59:19.920 you so much for coming on. I think, you know, talking to 708 00:59:19.960 --> 00:59:22.800 someone, especially like you, someone who was involved with creating the movie and 709 00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:28.760 everything, and knowing all of this background and what you went through makes viewing 710 00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:32.559 the movie so much more enjoyable because you get to see these parts. Oh 711 00:59:32.639 --> 00:59:36.559 yeah, you talk about this, and I know where that came from and 712 00:59:36.599 --> 00:59:39.480 everything. So and especially for my listeners who are really into the topic, 713 00:59:40.440 --> 00:59:45.079 I know they're going to be really excited to hear that this whole experience has 714 00:59:46.079 --> 00:59:52.480 kind of opened your eyes to this incredible phenomenon. Yeah. Absolutely, I'm 715 00:59:52.480 --> 00:59:59.599 glad it did. I'm happy that it's opened me up and I embrace everything 716 00:59:59.679 --> 01:00:04.320 now. Yeah, yeah it is. But I mean it feels like for 717 01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:07.079 me, and especially for a creative person, that I would think, you 718 01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:12.519 know, all the possibilities, so much more possibilities in life. Yeah. 719 01:00:12.559 --> 01:00:15.119 Absolutely, thank you so much for having me. Yeah, thank you, 720 01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:21.079 Okay, thank you so much to Maddie for doing this interview. It was 721 01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:25.360 a lot of fun, really interesting stuff. It's really interesting to hear from 722 01:00:25.400 --> 01:00:29.920 someone who kind of goes from from zero to one hundred miles an hour, 723 01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:31.559 in other words, being skeptical about all of this stuff to all of a 724 01:00:31.639 --> 01:00:37.440 sudden, you know, his eyes opening to new possibilities and getting into a 725 01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:40.400 lot of different stuff, as he said. So I think it'll be interesting 726 01:00:40.639 --> 01:00:45.320 what comes comes from this in the future that he works on. And I 727 01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:47.880 think it's a lot of fun when you talk to these guys and then go 728 01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:53.119 watch these movies. You get to actually see how they incorporated some of their 729 01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:59.159 beliefs or research into the film, and so when you're watching certain scenes, 730 01:00:59.199 --> 01:01:00.559 you can go, oh, yeah, I remember he said this about that, 731 01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:04.840 or he said this about this, and it makes kind of watching the 732 01:01:04.880 --> 01:01:07.079 movies a lot more fun. So if you haven't watched Day in Abduction, 733 01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:10.119 of course, if you go to our website and look at the radio show, 734 01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:15.480 we've got a link to his website where you can go get it. 735 01:01:15.480 --> 01:01:21.639 It's on iTunes, Amazon, Google Play, Xbox, the Sony Entertainment Network, 736 01:01:21.679 --> 01:01:24.000 so it's all over the place online where you can download it and watch 737 01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:27.039 it, which is what a lot of people are doing, of course, 738 01:01:27.480 --> 01:01:34.400 and then you can also go see it in some films or in some theaters, 739 01:01:34.440 --> 01:01:37.360 and they've got a listing of the theaters and of course you'll be able 740 01:01:37.360 --> 01:01:39.719 to buy it on DVD. I'm not sure if it's out yet. I 741 01:01:39.760 --> 01:01:45.599 don't think so, but I'm sure it will be soon. But cool stuff. 742 01:01:45.639 --> 01:01:49.840 So thank you so much to Maddie. That was an awesome interview and 743 01:01:49.840 --> 01:01:54.039 that was a lot of fun. Also, don't forget to check us out 744 01:01:54.159 --> 01:02:00.480 on all of the top social networking apps. We're on Twitter at open dot 745 01:02:00.559 --> 01:02:05.519 tv, and of course we're on Facebook at open Minds Radio and open Mindsmagazine. 746 01:02:05.920 --> 01:02:09.199 You can also find me personally on Twitter at astro ATR and Jason's at 747 01:02:09.199 --> 01:02:15.199 ace Centric. You can find us both on Facebook just by looking for our 748 01:02:15.320 --> 01:02:19.320 names, and of course Marine's up there too. From spacing Out, you 749 01:02:19.360 --> 01:02:22.800 can also find all the stories that we talked about in the news section at 750 01:02:22.880 --> 01:02:27.360 openminds dot tv, where we update you on the latest UFO news on a 751 01:02:27.519 --> 01:02:31.679 daily basis. You can also catch our UFO news webcast spacing Out on our 752 01:02:31.719 --> 01:02:37.599 YouTube channel, So find all of that and more at openminds dot tv. 753 01:02:37.199 --> 01:02:40.960 Thank you very much to the artists who created our music, Caleb Hanks. 754 01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:45.519 You can find out more about his music and download some of it for free. 755 01:02:45.599 --> 01:02:50.519 I listened to it often actually think it's really cool. But that's at 756 01:02:50.599 --> 01:02:54.480 the clerk Chronicles dot com, and thank you all so much for listening, 757 01:02:54.559 --> 01:02:59.880 and we'll be back next week with another great show, So until then, 758 01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:00.719 are you smooth chatoes.