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Well, whiskey, come and take
my pain. Honey, all right,

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don't you let me? From power
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dot Com, this is the three
Whiskey Happy Hour with your bartenders Steve Hayward,

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John You and power Lines International Woman
of Mystery Lucretia have gotta giving.

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Let that whiskey bloat where you're being
in love down in Loon. Welcome everybody,

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believe it or not, it is
John you join, don't believe whiskey

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happy Yeah, So glad you're back. John. I missed you so much.

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It's a poster Steve for months it
seems like well I've been listening to

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the podcast from the jungles of the
Amazon, the heights of the and D's

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and yes, I agree, it
sounded like Steve was on for months and

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months. Toolsia, what's happened to
you? You've got to control this guy.

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Let him talk for more than thirty
seconds without interruption. What is going

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on here? It probably fell asleep
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Well, I am coming to you
from Washington, d C. Where I've

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spent the last two days at the
Federal Society National Symposium, where I have

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to say Lucretia has many, many
fans. I have to to At least

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ten people have come up to me
and said, I love that podcast with

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the alcohol and that woman. Okay, well, I'm tending to respond saying

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it takes some alcohol to put up
with that woman. By the way,

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Oh, I've got a balveny twenty
one year old tonight from a Caribbean rum

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casks. I have something like that. It's very nice. It looks awful.

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It's dark. Yeah, well,
because the class is dark. It's

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it's a fake class. It's a
dark lass. It's a smoky glass.

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That's it. How about you,
Lucretia. What are you drinking? It's

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past my drinking hour. I hate
to tell you, so I'm drinking sort

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of water. Oh yeah, well
I've had I've had a knob creek on

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the rocks at the Edgar Bar and
the Mayflower Hotel, which is currently overflowing

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with federal judges, law students,
and practicing lawyers, amongst whom is one

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Allison Hayward is at the Federal Society
convention, where I've been performing the Hayward

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husband duties because Steve's not around longer
and the cold to make sure she had

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a drink to make sure she had
dinner. Steve's lounging around in the warmth

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of California while it's like forty degrees
here in Washington. Well, first of

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all, where are you? I'm
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why I was in Portland this morning. Now I'm in Seattle a little later

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riving. But by the way,
John, all that proofs that you're supplying

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my wife with meals and alcohol,
is that, in fact you don't believe

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in the non delegation doctrine. That's
pretty good. Whatever you do. Don't

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tell Mike Pence. You know.
Of course, all the Federal Society panels

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and events are going to be our
live stream and will be on YouTube.

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I was on a fun panel about
reauthorizing the Patriot Act, which expires in

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the most important parts. At the
end of this year, there was a

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great, great lecture in honor of
Barbara Olson, who was killed on nine

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only Ted Olsen's wife, who by
Bari Weiss oh I see okay, who

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gave a great, great, I
mean really compelling lecture about why the United

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States should defend Israel, in part
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and defending westernsation. I would not
say any new arguments that people aren't familiar

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with. But she delivered in such
a compelling style that she had a five

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minute standing ovation from about one thousand
people who was really quite Is it likely,

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John, that a transcript will be
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it'll be? I'm sure there will
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really a great speech. There's all
been all kinds of fun there was.

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We'll get to this later. There
was a good debate about between Will bod

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and Michael McConnell about Trump being disqualified
under the fourteenth Amendment. Bod is the

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one who started all this by writing
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Did anybody throw spitballs at him?
Verbal only? Verbal only? But

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it's been a great conference. And
now that here's the other funny thing.

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I wasn't here for the dinner last
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there have been some protests, and
in fact, so all the blocks around

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the Mayflower Hotel where this is being
held have been postered with pictures of Leonard

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Leo calling for his investigation. Of
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have no idea who he is or
why he should be investigated. He holds

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no office, he hasn't done anything. But anyway, so that's a little

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bit of fun from Washington. But
enough about enough about conservative lawyers and their

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bleak ideas of fun. Let's talk. I just want to know where you

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came down on the Patriot Act really
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can if we're either going to raise
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whether you're going to just make yourself
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that, But honestly, question is
the what's called Section seven two, which

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allows for the basically collection of data
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can be searched. And so my
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is in charge of gathering intelligence on
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counter terrorism. Now, and I
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ends up, though I don't.
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end up thoughing. And so I
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function. Congress can't take it away. Congress can choose not to fund it.

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But I don't think Congress has the
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the Patriot Act therefore is not a
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the separation of powers where Congress creates
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not a real court, allows it
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under the Fourth Amendment, and then
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make it seem like, oh,
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all agree that you can have warrantless
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to the president, and then he
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So there have been abuses. There
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tens, if not hundreds of thousands
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were done on this database, all
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the answer is not to say,
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under threat by Russia and Ukraine,
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preussing Israel, I would not say
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how much information we can gather.
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the ones doing the abuse. Actually
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CIA nor the NSA has abused these
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So I said, what we should
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It's too powerful, it's too big. Should have a small age.

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See that does the counter espionage,
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I would say much smaller of it
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the FBI that's the problem in my
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I said, yeah, no,
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if I'm wrong, John, because
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Clinton administration of the nineties wanted a
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I think liberal civil libertarians said no, no, we don't like this.

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This is bad, and so whatever
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And then also an organizational detail.
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things got swept up under the Department
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Intelligence, but not the FBI that
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So here's why this is an interesting
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latest on the Eric Adams investigation.
So what several days ago they arrested or

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tossed or whatever, you know,
service on adams campaign fundraiser. Who's a

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twenty five year old lady, Which
is that's a little weird for the mayor

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of New York to have a I
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Is the Hold on a minute,
Lucretia, because the second part is today,

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this afternoon, the news came out
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Lucretia, that they have seized all
of Eric adams telephones. They stopped him

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in the street, pushed his security
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and yeah, it sounds like what
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of years ago. Right. But
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uh, you know, maybe Adams
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these things. On the other hand, is it purely a coincidence that Adams

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gets targeted by the FBI after he
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the immigration business. You know,
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doesn't seem quite whatever. He actually
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he fully intended to, because he
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left without ever actually having the full
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the White House. Oh you're talking
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the like he got there and he
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audience he was supposed to have.
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I can't remember, or clan or
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the phone call and he left back
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in any case, John, you
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your patriot axe stance, so only
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back by the end of the show. I actually had a question, though,

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John, not that I want to
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but doesn't Congress under it's excuse me, Article three powers have the power

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to create courts. Uh? It
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made sense, But when you said
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FISA court, can't they make any
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three? You know, the different
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The problem with this kind of court
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What the FIZI Court's been doing is
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gather intelligence, they must follow the
following six rules. Right, So they're

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they're issuing like management decisions and rules, not deciding cases. Is that different

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from a bankruptcy court? Yeah?
I think so, okay, and the

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bankruptcy court is still resolving, you
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a bankrupt company's assets. This is
actually what people identify back on nine to

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eleven that got the pies a court
in so much trouble and why they missed

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everything is the phiz of judges were
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going and not paying attention to,
oh, is there actually an individual here

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whose writes about, you know,
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criticism. Yeah, yeah, no, No, That's that's my point is

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that that's that's the concern. They
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court, but it's not really doing
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of management. But by calling a
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seeing who's really responsible or Now.
One interesting thing Linda might like is on

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the panel was carter Page's lawyer.
So carter Page's lawyer was going off on

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all this, and I said,
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error. Is this should never happen. He should be given a lot of

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money by the government. That's right, Like, how you those are the

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damages you should get for a mistake. But that doesn't necessarily mean should do

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away with the surveillance. We just
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remedy people who are harmed. So, yeah, you know. The problem

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I have with that though, is
that as is sort of what I want

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to talk about a little bit later, but as we see our country becoming

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more bifurcated and divided, and I
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Security Agency. Did I get it
right the acronym. I mean it was

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created just to, yeah, I
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against cyber attacks and you know,
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cetera. And we find come to
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agency. It was created in twenty
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biggest and perpetrator of spying on Americans, censoring Americans, shutting down Americans a

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speech they don't like, and you
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right now. But I don't know
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or all of the things that follow
that they do after surveillance. Maybe that's

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just a crazy idea, but I
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might be doing here than what our
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want to know the truth. Yeah, that's where Oh I'll disagree with you

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somehow, John, you know,
yeah, well, we will do a

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show on this as we get closer
to the expiration of the because the thing

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expires at the end of December,
so there's going to have to be a

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big fight in Congress about whether to
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thing is, I said so,
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if Congress didn't reauthorize it, and
we got back to the PREFISA world where

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you know, presidents from Lincoln,
Lincoln's the first president who did this.

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Actually presidents from Lincoln on authorize this, but then they're on their own right,

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they bear full responsibility, and the
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mean that's really true too. I
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in con law yesterday and trying to
make them understand that when when you dissipate

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executive power across all these agencies and
ultimately to Congress and so on, nobody's

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accountable. Remember what a Alma said
when some reporter brought up the IRS scandal

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to him and his answers, Well, I found out about it when I

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read in the newspapers, just like
everybody else. It would have as ainine

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thing to say, but nobody cared, nobody said people for it. Yeah

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yeah, anyway, So yes,
I do agree with you on that whole

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lack of accountability thing. Yeah.
Well, let's let's move on to uh,

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who might be the next president?
So we had a debate on Wednesday

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night, actually hosted by one of
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not by Fox, by NBC.
So, uh, what Suzz Lucretia didn't

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watch? Steve, did you watch
the debate? And who do you think

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did best? Who do you think
did worst? What impact do you think

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will have on the race? Yeah? So I didn't watch it because I

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was traveling. Also, I actually
can't stand watching these things. However,

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uh, I did take in some
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and so three quick observations. One
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Haley's Nicki Haley's high heels and calling
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it for the singers. And so
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That's just well, I know,
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what always gets the attention on Twitter
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uh and and it does sound like
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way, which meant it board the
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did really well. And here I
can't resist bating everyone. I was just

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gonna say, what's uh, I'll
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is, Lucretia, what's your problem
with Nicki Haley? Yeah? Why don't

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they like, maybe you don't have
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definitely doesn't. You can't the people
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of the creatures making every time you
mention her name, Why Lucretia? Why

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Nikki Haley stumped when debate moderator asks
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Yeah, okay, that's the Babylon
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But she's a warmond. You think
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yeah, she's she's she's a hack. She's just another rhino. Wait a

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minute, set aside this. I
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have to object. What What in
her record makes you say that aside from

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her foreign policy views? What's your
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That's what presidents are supposed to be
doing? Well? Right? But what

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what? But before this, what
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look, I think she was a
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she was pretty good at the UN
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Why? Why on earth would that
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be something that's catching on because I
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I I kind of do see that. It's she's female she's ethnic,

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she's not Trump. Well, we
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inclusion and inequity too, because well, Nikki Hayley, Well now wait

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a minute, remember though a minute
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the whole Lucretia finished. Let Lucretia
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her. I mean, she's not
she's she's fine, she's not. She

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has no deep understanding of things.
The fact that she just I can't,

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I'll just say this. Uh.
There's a history now of the Republican

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electorate and primary season swooning over some
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or twelve and then nine nine,
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was ahead of the polls for a
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yeah right, and then what's his
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until people thought he was on sleeping
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the top of the polls for a
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down to size. And so the
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Nicky Haley is a appeals that same
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the last fifteen twenty years. That
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with musician. What do you think
about Lucretious Clean That she's shallow, that's

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what she's saying. Yeah, shallow. I don't think she told her in

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a podcast with us. Oh yeah, she's definitely not. Definitely not being

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invited. I mean, after I
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Wax. I'm happy to be left
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I mean, he's caught between Lucretian
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it's amazing he's still alive. I
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yeah, I don't know. I
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didn't think. I think Vivek didn't
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he had these kind of pre canned
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about the Russia hoax, but he
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and Hailey spent a lot of time
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the better of him. Not because
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he was actually a little bit shocked
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and so the polls seemed to show
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quite a bit since the first debate. Well now he is gone. Kay,

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he is the He's the Ron Paul
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in twenty eight, twenty twelve.
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is that younger voters, younger Republicans
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focus group is my son's college Republican
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debate, twenty of them this week, and they all love the vic.

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the form of these people, and
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a lot of other people think.
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that you know, Ron Famous Rong, not so much Rand Paul. But

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that's a different story. But you
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young Republicans back when he was still
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in twenty twelve, and partly that's
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his anti war vibe. Ron Paul
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ahead of the curve on non interventionist
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in the Republican Party after Trump.
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his libertarianism. But well, do
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it was the very first debate in
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had what twelve or fifteen candidates up
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I forget what the question was,
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was ahead of the polls gets the
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question, Trump points down at the
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at the end and says, why
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he's a one percent in the poll, he's a libertarian wackle. Why

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is this guy even on the stage. I don't deserve to be here.

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me how shrewd Trump was the one
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war Republican vote was Rand Paul.
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very popular with the media. You
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kind of guy you the next Republican
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MSNBC, which shows you how little
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there's Trump moving right away to take
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anyway, well, the polls seemed
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different, but the poles seemed to
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the only alternatives Trump the other.
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the debate was who's not going to
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even there. He seems so strangely
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he does. That was the big
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then Chris Christy, you know,
God bless him. His views are just

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out of step with the primary voters. And he seemed not to really get

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engaged. It seems like it's really
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present some kind of alternative or challenge. You mean, Mike pet Oh,

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Mike Pen's dropped out. Why was
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leave that one alone. Yeah,
I think that that. I'm also surprised

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by all of the slightly center media
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always you know, that bothers me. It's a little bit like what you

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said about rand Paul. She's become
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even the damn New York Post.
For God's sakes. Hey, I thought

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we liked the Post. I do, but when not when they're stupid?

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You know, we might be able
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Okay, moving on to issue number
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we didn't just have a presidential debate
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results and two big election results.
One does seem like Glenn Youngin is going

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to be running in twenty twenty four
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there was all this chatter Glenn Youngkin, the governor of Virginia, was going

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to gain Republican control of the State
House in these Virginia legislative elections, which

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would provide the springboard for him to
run for the presidency. But on the

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way to the ballot box, what
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both the Assembly and the Senate in
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was Ohio voted on basically whether to
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constitution. And it seems to me
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Now since Doobbs where Democrats and the
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another electoral victory they won in Ohio
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another case another election Sincetobbs where abortion
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This is just and so the Democrats
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John, because there's a longer answer
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talk for just a moment about the
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guy, Cameron Cameron, the McConnell. But yeah, he was a McConnell

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pee, and I think that that's
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because McConnell is so unpopular for all
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just leave that one alone, I
think. But Sheer actually found his way

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back, you know, he he
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was a year or so ago.
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McConnell did that guy in why would
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an acolyte of McConnell's. You know, you've got to be embarrassed that you

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ever voted for McConnell in the first
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that's my my commentary in that.
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me just say in Virginia, so
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from that twit what's her name,
McDaniel Royal, requested some money because this

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was a big deal, this Virginia
legislature and you know, keeping it in

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the hands of the Republicans or getting
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and the rn C turned them down. Meantime, Biden put a million dollars

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into those legislative races in Virginia,
and here where is million dollars? Sorry,

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okay, but but it's a million
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They aren't huge, huge spending.
This isn't Senate US Senate in California,

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and Republicans lost the House in the
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hundred votes respectively in Virginia. Yeah, yeah, no, they're very close

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criminal on the part of our ridiculous
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wait a minute, I'll give a
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totally agree with you about the rottenness
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they could have spent five million more
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changed the outcome if they didn't have
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Henry Olsen, you know who shoots
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heard him say, actually, Republicans
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I mean, it's not just sugar
coating a bad night. Who's pointing out

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that they improved their standing over two
years ago. In the twenty twenty one

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election. In twenty twenty in a
lot of the districts that Biden had won

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and they just didn't get over the
finish line. But just take one race

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as emblematic of this. There was
that woman Gibson who had been outed for

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doing live porn for money on the
internet. They barely beat her well,

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it turned out her message was and
by the way, this was across the

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board in Virginia, the Democrat message
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above all abortion, abortion abortion.
The guy running against Gibson Randy's generic feel

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good plain vanilla ads. I want
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of Virginia. I don't care if
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message like that, you're gonna lose. He didn't lose. He managed to

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you know, a crazy woman,
right, and he barely beat her when

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that should have been to lose.
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Ohio question. Is yes, Republicans
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and you're gonna lose every time if
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kind. It's not just that Steve, I agree with you. I actually

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agree with everything you just said.
It's worse twice in one podcast, John,

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I'm gonna because you're not really right. You're only right so far.

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Okay, Okay, I'm kidding,
I'm kidding. No. But here's the

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real point and why I sent you
what I sent you. It goes back

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to something we talked about I think
the last time we actually had John with

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us. And what is absolutely the
case now is that not only has the

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left taken over every single one of
our institutions in ways that really matter,

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but so call it from K twelve. They don't teach civics. They don't

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teach anything to students that would cause
them to be able to make even the

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slightest critical judgment about an election on
their own thinking. So they are dupes

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for stupid arguments like abortion, pro
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You know, start there, but
that goes across all of society. The

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left has made absolutely sure that most
people are idiots about and I really mean

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that not so much. They don't
care. They're taught not to care.

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They're not taught that politics are important. But well then we'll add idiot,

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right. I mean, look,
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in the Greek which you know,
yes, of course, sorry, But

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as people saying, oh, well,

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you know the terrible Republicans. You
probably saw that guy who went up to

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the guy in Virginia and he was
some nut job leftist and just screaming obscenities

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at him, and you know,
they're like that, they're they're so over

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the top. That person was a
federal employee apparently by yes. But but

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like what they said in Ohio that
that Republicans wanted women who had abortions to

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get the death penalty, and you
say that to stupid voters over and over

409
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:57.480
and over again, and like and
what Steve said, you don't counter it

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with a real argument. You don't
counter it with all of the things we

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know about abortion, about how abortion
is bad for women, whatever it might

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be. There's all sorts of great
arguments against abortion on demand, but Republicans

413
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won't make them because they're afraid to. Yeah, well that's what, right,

414
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I mean, that's my point is, Look, I mean, if

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they're going to say crazy stuff like
that, our team ought to be saying

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yeah, and you Democrats, you
want abortion to be legal up until the

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kid goes off to college. I
mean it's some healings, but I mean

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there's a more serious version of that, as you know. But the point

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is there's not even the instinct to
hit back in any way, and it's

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it's proving quite favorable. How many
times, you know, how many times

421
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have you seen an ad about that
famous nurse who watched, you know,

422
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stayed with a baby that had been
lived through a part of birth abortion and

423
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watched it die right right? You
know how many you play that one night

424
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after night after night, and you're
going to have a very different outcome.

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And then, don't forget I brought
this up to you, guys, I

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haven't seen anybody talk about it.
But guess what else was on the Ohio

427
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ballot this time? Yeah? Marijuana? Yeah, yeah, that's a lot

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of stupid laws were passed in Arizona
when recreational marijuana was on the ballot.

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Well, let me try to offer
a last thought on this, John,

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unless you have one, and Lucretia
will correct me in any case, because

431
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this is it falls in the category
of what she dislikes of my eternal,

432
00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:37.039
infernal optimism, which is look,
the the the silver lining here in one

433
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:39.519
sense is this is going to allow
Biden the Democrats into a false sense of

434
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security. And you know, because
prior to the election, you had all

435
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these stories and these polls out showing
Biden losing the Trump and the Key States,

436
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and you know, there was Axel
Rod tweeting gay and Obama gosh,

437
00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:55.839
Biden really ought to drop out the
good of the country. Well, that's

438
00:33:55.839 --> 00:33:59.359
all ended with the election result,
because they're saying, gee, you know

439
00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:02.720
he's not a If Republicans had run
the table in this election, uh,

440
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and you'd connected it to Biden's unpopularity, I guarantee you keeping in a world

441
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hurt right now. Instead, I'll
bet all of Biden's people are saying,

442
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Hey, we're good to go.
What's all this fussing about and being old

443
00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:16.039
or whatever. Forget it, We're
good. I know I disagree with you,

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Steve on that one, but there's
one more point. I do want

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to make no different point. And
so we know that there was widespread,

446
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if not fraud, necessarily that they're
using electronic voting machines, and that even

447
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the election officials this time around admit
that the voting machines in Pennsylvania and Kentucky

448
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or was it Pennsylvania and Ohio forget
which I know? Pennsylvania again, John,

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your home state. What did it
do? Now? The electronic voting

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machines, Uh, wouldn't when when
you go to vote, when you vote

451
00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:01.719
for this person, it would log
somebody else and do all sorts of things

452
00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:07.519
like that. And even though they
supposed to really oh yeah, yeah,

453
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:09.679
there's been massive stories about it,
but not in the New York Times of

454
00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:13.880
the Washington Post, John, So
you probably didn't see him. Yeah.

455
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:23.480
Probably Between between the misinformation, between
the censorship of social media, between cheating

456
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or you know, making sure that
everybody can vote even if they've been dead

457
00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:32.880
for twenty years absentee and all of
it. At some point you go back

458
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to what Lincoln said. I wanted
to make this point. I wanted to

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00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:43.239
bring in Lincoln for you, John, ballots are the rightful and peaceful successor

460
00:35:43.239 --> 00:35:46.719
of bullets, and that when ballots
are fairly and constitutionally decided, there can

461
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be no successful appeal back to bullets. I agree with that, can we

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any longer say that a significant portion
of the American people believe that ballots fairly

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in constitution will decide anything in this
country, because what we know, we

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can see it on our friend John
Eastman's trial. Everything has been done,

465
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everything possible has been done to make
sure not that the election was fair and

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fraudulent, and to prove that to
the absolute nude, so that there could

467
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:22.519
never be any doubt whatsoever to intelligent
people, rational people, at least,

468
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no anybody who even thinks about bringing
up the idea that something about the twenty

469
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twenty election wasn't fair gets their license
taken away, They get held off to

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court, they get I mean,
they've got FBI agents and state troopers in

471
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Maine or somewhere chasing after a guy
who walked into the Capitol on January sixth,

472
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:54.400
why because we can't dare talk about
it. And that doesn't help for

473
00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:59.840
people who are already a little bit
conspiracy minded to think that there's any chance

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this next go round is going to
be fair. And then we saw this

475
00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:09.360
last time just the other day,
all go figure electronic voting machines actually do

476
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:14.559
have glitches and they count things wrong
or they're you know, whatever, it

477
00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:21.920
might be paper ballots on the day
of election that with an ID and you

478
00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:24.440
would probably solve a lot of those
problems. But they won't do it.

479
00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:29.639
Why why won't they do it?
What's the problem with a paper ballot?

480
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:34.119
What's the problem with an ID?
What's the problem with voting on election day?

481
00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:40.760
Right? I'm looking for an answer? You know, all tell you

482
00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:45.400
yeah. I mean, first,
I don't think that most Americans believe there

483
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was fraud in the election. If
you go buy the polls, I mean,

484
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there's no I think two thirds of
the American people feel that the election

485
00:37:52.159 --> 00:38:00.239
was It's the opposite, John,
not that it was fraud. No,

486
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I think two thirds of Americans think
the election result was accurate, that Biden

487
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:09.159
did win. I think the figures
are two thirds of Republicans think something funny

488
00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:14.480
happened. But in terms of the
entire population, I think it's a clear

489
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:20.960
majority believe the election was I think
so that Biden. Well, yeah,

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00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:24.840
I think it's still true that sixty
percent of Democrats still think the Russians slung

491
00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:29.280
the twenty sixteen election of Trump.
I mean, this is part of these

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00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:32.840
polls are not something to rely on
very much. I think and that's all

493
00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:35.840
lot of Well, look, the
same point is, you know you referred

494
00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:39.440
to Eastman, and I did testify
in his disbarment proceedings. I'm not sure

495
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to any good effect because while I
was away, I understand that the bar

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00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:52.639
judge signaled that she will rule against
Eastman, and he tried to litigate all

497
00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:55.400
these facts in the proceedings, which
I think was a mistake. I think

498
00:38:55.440 --> 00:39:01.719
he should have focused more on the
reasonableness of his league position because I still

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00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:09.000
don't find any court or any governmental
agency finding that there was fraud. Again

500
00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:12.760
we argue this before. I mean, I don't see how you or I

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00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:15.400
could decide whether there was fraud.
We'd have to see the ballots, see

502
00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:20.800
the machines. But there's thousands of
jurisdiction in this country and they can conduct

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00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:24.920
an investigation. None of them have
found it. Well, you have John

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00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:30.159
presenting evidence by you know, people
he says are experts, people who says

505
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:34.880
study these machines. But there's no
court, state legislative body, state agency

506
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:38.039
that has accepted these claims as being
true. Most of the time, they

507
00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:43.119
wouldn't even grant standing to people to
make those claims. John, But now

508
00:39:43.480 --> 00:39:45.000
you can do it after and we've
done. You know, there have been

509
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:50.760
audits by state legislatures controlled by Republicans. Have I don't know. I think

510
00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:53.079
every politician have been in Arizona.
They did an audit in Arizona. You

511
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:57.960
know what they did. They counted
the ballots and said, oh, yeah,

512
00:39:57.960 --> 00:40:01.239
these are the ballots they do look
at the exists. You know that

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00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:07.079
one of the practical problems a vote
fraud is once a ballot is in a

514
00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:08.920
box, it's hard to get it
back out again if it's a phony ballot.

515
00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:12.719
So even auditing them doesn't really work
for you. Well, it's when

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00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:15.679
you have discrepancies of what the vote
county is and the number of ballots you

517
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:19.079
have on hand or that you can
verify or cast. That's one problem.

518
00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:22.360
But I think it is separated into
two parts. John. One is is

519
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what did they know at the time
and what they had the time? Well,

520
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:28.199
first of all, a lot of
wild rumors. Maybe a few of

521
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:30.920
them not so wild, but some
are crazy and wild. But the second

522
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:34.480
thing was you had these circumstantial factors. There's so many things. I mean,

523
00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:37.519
I'll just mention one that you know, Republicans game to what twelve or

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00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:42.400
fourteen seats in the House. It
has never happened before in one hundred and

525
00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:47.360
fifty years that a winning presidential candidate
in the initial election lost seats in the

526
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House. It's one of the things
that doesn't add up on the macro level.

527
00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:52.920
And there's four or five hothers like
that. Now I can, as

528
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:57.800
a political scientist explain those things away, but not at the time. At

529
00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:00.159
the time, you're thinking, wait
a minute, something stinks here. So

530
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:02.400
you make the arguments Eastman made,
and so it turns out the fullness of

531
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:07.239
time, you can't verify these things. These are like correlations. These are

532
00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:09.599
just streams, right, correlations of
data, right, which can be explained

533
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:15.880
by people really hate Trump, yeah, so much that change their voting patterns

534
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:19.960
for the downbell off. I mean, remember what Trump got what ten or

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00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:23.199
twelve million more votes in twenty sixty. Turnout was way up on both sides.

536
00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:27.440
It was just up more on the
Democratic side, whether fair or foul.

537
00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:30.960
We leave that for other time.
Maybe we should talk about I mean,

538
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:34.480
you go on a long time about
this, but John was on sixty

539
00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:37.280
minutes and I heard it's gonna be
on sixty twenty and not me. Yeah,

540
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:42.079
johnnyastan sorry, and I thought this
is a and I watched that this

541
00:41:42.119 --> 00:41:45.400
is a bad idea because sixty Minutes
always edits to make you look bad,

542
00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:50.159
and I he stuck to his guns
like he did in his dispartment procedure.

543
00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:53.840
But here's an interesting thing, a
little backstory here. Thirty years ago,

544
00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:59.679
when John and I were classmates and
then housemates, we knew a businessman from

545
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:02.679
Ark and I saw who moved to
California. I don't mention his name,

546
00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:07.159
but he had been a subject of
a sixty Minutes investigation for some kind of

547
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:10.960
fraudulent business practices. But he did
a clever thing. He had his own

548
00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:15.199
video camera in the room and recorded
the whole interview separately from the sixty minutes

549
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:19.679
crew. And after it was all
over and it was clear to him that

550
00:42:19.719 --> 00:42:22.440
they were going out to get him. You may remember this. This was

551
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:24.360
in the press. We probably know
you're probably too young. He leaked to

552
00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:29.519
the press some of the racist things
that Mike Wallace had said during the interview,

553
00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:32.440
and it caused a big fuss,
and the sixty Minutes people called him

554
00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:35.400
up and said, would you give
us that tape? He said, I

555
00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:37.880
don't know I'm not gonna give you
that tape. Well, we'll go easier

556
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:39.760
on you if you give us the
tape. There's a big fuss over this,

557
00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:44.719
and so the lesson ever since has
been and I'm sure John Eastman Oughtiver

558
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:47.760
might remember this is if you're going
to do a sixty minutes interview these days,

559
00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:51.719
you'd have a little go pro camera
something, run your own dang camera,

560
00:42:51.840 --> 00:42:57.639
so you have the entire interview and
can correct any omissions, correct any

561
00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:01.840
selective editing. And I'm wondering if
John did that. If he didn't,

562
00:43:02.199 --> 00:43:06.480
he not remembering things very well,
but I hope he did. And maybe

563
00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:09.239
we'll hear the whole interview at some
point, because I thought it they could

564
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:13.480
have been tough for on him than
they were. On the other hand,

565
00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:15.079
I think some of the answers of
his they did used maybe not have helped

566
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:20.159
him that much. So I don't
know, we'll see. I watched the

567
00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:23.840
interview too. I'm more Steve is. I don't think it would make a

568
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:28.400
difference that much. I don't think
he changed his answers. I mean,

569
00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:31.400
he was consistent with what he's been
saying before, and so in that respect,

570
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:36.760
I don't think the sixty minutes interview
really helped or hurt him, because

571
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:39.880
you would hear John saying this stuff
if you watch the Bar proceedings or watched

572
00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:45.000
him, you know, in his
very speaking engagements. Well, one thing

573
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:45.960
I'm not saying. Six of me
has tried to help him. I'm sure

574
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:51.280
they tried to screw him over,
but he just repeated what he's been saying

575
00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:52.960
this whole time. So well,
you know, could they hurt him?

576
00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:57.440
One thing he did that may have
been very clever and very effective, is

577
00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:00.199
they press him on some specifics,
and John would I think he knew that

578
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:02.360
if he tried to get in too
many specifics, it would end up on

579
00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:06.519
the cutting room floor. And he
said more than once in different forms.

580
00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:09.519
Look, the real issue here is
whether we are still a self governing country

581
00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:15.480
or not. And me and other
people we worry that we have lost a

582
00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:20.239
self governing country without election integrity and
a few other aspects of this administrative state

583
00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:22.679
argument. But stayed in very plain, direct language. And I'll bet there

584
00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:25.639
were you know, to the extent
that many people watch sixty minutes anymore,

585
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:29.519
I'll bet a lot of them were
saying, yeah, that sounds right to

586
00:44:29.559 --> 00:44:32.960
me. By the way. I
think this is a related point. You

587
00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:37.800
know, somebody's polls showing Trump running
very well with black males. It never

588
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:40.559
seems to show up on election day
as much as the polls show. But

589
00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:45.199
I wonder how much of that is
a people's looking at all these legal actions

590
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:47.679
bought against him and saying, yeah, that's kind of what we feel about

591
00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:52.679
our legal system. That was right, That was a crucial I mean,

592
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:58.519
they were walking down in different urban
areas and there's all these black males walking

593
00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:02.239
around with I don't remember exactly what
they said. It was something something urban

594
00:45:02.440 --> 00:45:07.079
about Trump, and I forget it
was funny. I would have bought one

595
00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:13.119
if I if I could have found
one. But today I saw an article

596
00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:19.519
today that the Black Lives Matter co
founder what's his name I can't remember,

597
00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:25.360
of course, said Trump's the only
candidate worth voting for. The Black Lives

598
00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:31.320
Matter co founder is supporting Trump.
I don't know what to think about that,

599
00:45:32.840 --> 00:45:36.760
honestly. Yeah, that's a psyop
of some kind. I don't know.

600
00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:42.679
I have seen people making this argument
that Steve's making, that Trump's claims

601
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:47.159
of persecution by a biased criminal justice
system will resonate with you know, some

602
00:45:47.199 --> 00:45:52.599
people live in the inner city.
Yeah, and maybe that explains why if

603
00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:57.000
you look at these polls, not
only is Trump you know, beating Biden

604
00:45:57.280 --> 00:46:01.280
in all but one of the battleground
states, and he's really cut into Biden

605
00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:07.920
support amongst minorities by os and Hispanics
in particular. It's incredible. But by

606
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:09.679
the way, you know, you
know who really beats Biden in those battleground

607
00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:17.280
states. Nikki Haley, Nikki I
couldn't resist. At what point though,

608
00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:23.480
can we never mind Nicki Haley talking
about, but at what point do we

609
00:46:23.639 --> 00:46:30.280
also want to credit the idea that
maybe all of these minority voters are not

610
00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:36.559
as dependent and stupid and all of
the other things. You know, they

611
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:42.400
can't get IDs to vote, and
at some point they don't want to be

612
00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:45.679
you know, creatures of the state. They you know, there was a

613
00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:52.599
great I think it was when Reagan
was president, the largest increase in the

614
00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:59.239
number of black owned new small businesses
that have ever happened in history. And

615
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:05.360
I know something happened with Trump.
But the idea that of this sort of

616
00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:10.559
a nanny state that the Democrats want
to hand them at some point between that

617
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:15.199
and you know, being persecuted and
being you know, uh, you know,

618
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:19.360
put in jail by the man.
There's a lot to be said for

619
00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:24.440
Trump's appeal over somebody like Biden who
says, if you don't vote for me,

620
00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:29.920
you ain't black. I mean,
my view is a little different,

621
00:47:29.960 --> 00:47:34.920
which is, I do think that
it is possible to bribe people of you

622
00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:37.719
know, lower income people. You
offer them government goodies, they're going to

623
00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:40.480
be attracted that. However, I
think they don't want to be condescended to.

624
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:44.679
They want to be treated with respect, and you know, a lot

625
00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:50.000
of our social welfare system doesn't do
that. And of course the whole the

626
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:52.519
whole meaning of intersectionality and all the
rest of the social justice crowd is to

627
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:58.000
deny them agency and self respect.
And I think that may be starting to

628
00:47:58.039 --> 00:48:00.159
occur to Aboule. So there's a
conflict. There's a conflict there. You

629
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:01.679
want to vote Democratic as they're going
to give you more goodies and your life

630
00:48:01.719 --> 00:48:06.199
is insecure. On the other hand, they treat you like crap. Yeah,

631
00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:12.559
the intersectionality stuff doesn't help either,
because what if you're an inner city

632
00:48:13.400 --> 00:48:19.000
young blackmail, what do you have
in common with a transgender Well sorry,

633
00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:23.239
sorry, okay, I'll be quiet
Okay, let's move on to But that

634
00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:28.280
was my revolution, top John,
you missed that entirely, just so you

635
00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:31.159
know, No, I think you
got it. Okay, Well, moving

636
00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:39.400
on to one more piece of election
news. Was the Supreme Court of Minnesota

637
00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:49.079
denied as lawsuit trying to disqualify President
Trump under Section three of the fourteenth Amendment,

638
00:48:49.159 --> 00:48:55.679
which we've discussed on the show earlier
decisions interesting because it only really postpones

639
00:48:57.400 --> 00:49:00.480
the lawsuit what the although I do
think what the Minnesota Supreme Court said was

640
00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:08.320
interesting and correct. The Minnesota Supreme
Court said primaries are just up to political

641
00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:14.960
parties, they're not actually functions of
the government. And so if the Republican

642
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:20.280
Party in Minnesota wants to have a
primary election to decide whether they want President

643
00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:24.760
Trump to be their candidate or not, that's not implicated under the fourteenth Amendment

644
00:49:24.760 --> 00:49:30.119
because it's just the political party making
the choice. So they kicked the lawsuit

645
00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:32.480
out of court, but they essentially
said, but if his name goes on

646
00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:37.239
the general ballot, maybe that's an
issue. Although I actually think if you

647
00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:45.400
take their logic to its natural conclusion, you would have to say, actually,

648
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:49.079
the only time you'd really look at
it is if Trump won, like

649
00:49:49.360 --> 00:49:52.760
even putting him on the general suppose
he loses, then you don't actually have

650
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:58.679
a Fourteenth Amendment violation. But the
opposite, though, would be the case

651
00:49:58.719 --> 00:50:04.039
that if you didn't allow him on
the ballot, and that whole decision was

652
00:50:04.079 --> 00:50:07.800
appealed and they determined it was wrong, which of course any honest judge or

653
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:12.400
court would have to, then what
ye done them harm? Exactly? You

654
00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:16.360
know, I can't believe any court
out there, even as corrupt and awful

655
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:22.599
as most of them are, would
actually go that far to say Trump should

656
00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:28.679
not be on the ballot. There's
certainly nothing in the fourteenth Amendment that gives

657
00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:30.920
judges the power to do that,
right, I mean, we've already discussed

658
00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:36.760
that, Yes, But I think
what's interesting is that I think Lukutia's right

659
00:50:36.800 --> 00:50:40.360
on the merits. It should lose
anyway. But the Minnesota case gives all

660
00:50:40.360 --> 00:50:45.119
the other courts hearing this an easy
way out, that gives them an easy

661
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:49.159
way to just kick these cases out
of court and let the elections proceed.

662
00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:52.239
Yeah. I mean, my political
hunch on this is that no state wants

663
00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:59.559
to go first. John, let
me ask you a question, a legal

664
00:50:59.639 --> 00:51:04.320
question, A lawyer question, it's
very true at the federal level that there

665
00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:09.280
is in fact no constitutional recognition whatsoever
for the political parties and so on.

666
00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:15.079
We've got some legal recognition from Congress, but constitutionally not. But isn't there

667
00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:22.920
at the state level constitutional recognition for
political parties in different states? Or am

668
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:25.559
I wrong about that? No?
No, So, first, under the

669
00:51:25.559 --> 00:51:32.440
federal constitution, the idea is that
your right to speak and petition leads to

670
00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:38.480
the right of political parties because you're
effectively associating together and then speaking together.

671
00:51:38.599 --> 00:51:44.880
So the courts have held there is
a constitutional right to have these political parties

672
00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:50.119
mean I mean, I mean the
regulation of political parties does not happen by

673
00:51:50.119 --> 00:51:53.880
the constitution, because that's a better
way to put it, would be the

674
00:51:54.480 --> 00:52:00.039
role of political parties in the electoral
process is not built into our federal constitution.

675
00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:05.000
Yes, that's right, you're exactly
right. There's no power in Article

676
00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:07.039
one, section eight for Congress to
regulate political parties. As we all know,

677
00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:14.840
the Constitution doesn't even mention the word
party. So the or presidential nominations

678
00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:20.719
or or yes, and the other
interesting thing is, just to make Lucrecia's

679
00:52:20.719 --> 00:52:28.079
point even clearer, is that right? Primaries are pretty recent innovation. Were

680
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:31.400
there were no primaries one hundred years
ago, or maybe there were a few,

681
00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:36.039
like dot doesn't John F. Kennedy
only win a few primaries, But

682
00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:39.599
that creates the momentum or the appearance
that the people want to But when the

683
00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:44.840
political parties we just get together at
the conventions and they would pick the president

684
00:52:44.920 --> 00:52:49.039
there, their nominees there, that
makes especially obvious. It seems to me

685
00:52:49.480 --> 00:52:52.320
that this really is a function that
the Minnesota courts right, that this is

686
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:55.559
a function of the political party.
It's not the government's actions to which the

687
00:52:55.559 --> 00:53:01.280
fourteenth Amendment really applies. Yet,
ask you a further question about that issue,

688
00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:05.960
John, because it came up last
week. What's that guy's name,

689
00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:12.679
Hans. What's his name again,
Steve Spokowski? Yeah, yes, and

690
00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:15.360
he wrote it. Really did you
have him on the show too? I

691
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:20.000
was. I read his article on
John, and I compared it to yours.

692
00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:22.519
And I know Hans pretty well.
You probably do too, John,

693
00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:28.119
Yeah, he's been here at the
Federal Society well so here. So his

694
00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:31.199
argument was more or less across the
board the same as yours, except what

695
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:38.960
he said was that those two pieces
of legislation that happened in the period after

696
00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:43.480
the Civil War, after the passage
of the fourteenth men, the first one

697
00:53:43.480 --> 00:53:46.360
that removed the disabilities for some,
and then the second one that removed the

698
00:53:46.360 --> 00:53:52.239
disabilities for all. His argument was
that there was no time limit on that,

699
00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:57.360
and that those two pieces by Congress
was so if you look at the

700
00:53:57.440 --> 00:54:01.760
very last line of section three,
it says Congress may buy a two thirds

701
00:54:01.840 --> 00:54:08.480
vote remove this disability. And his
argument was basically that that was not specific

702
00:54:08.599 --> 00:54:14.719
to the Civil War or to people
engaged in insurrection in the Civil War,

703
00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:19.840
but that in fact, when Congress
did remove those disabilities by legislation after the

704
00:54:19.880 --> 00:54:23.199
fact, they removed him forever.
What do you think of that, because

705
00:54:23.239 --> 00:54:25.599
you talked about those laws. Yeah, so, I mean, I think

706
00:54:25.639 --> 00:54:30.480
the better argument is that this just
doesn't apply to the president because the text

707
00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:34.559
doesn't mention the president. The talks, yeah, talks about officers of the

708
00:54:34.639 --> 00:54:39.599
US who are always discussed differently as
the president, and the text actually says

709
00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:44.400
it applies to electors for the president, which makes it obvious they could have

710
00:54:44.440 --> 00:54:47.079
said and it applies to the president, but they chose not to. The

711
00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:55.400
question about these disability statutes that Congress
passes really interesting because the question and the

712
00:54:55.440 --> 00:55:01.159
courts haven't really addressed this is whether
those actments apply in the future. Could

713
00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:07.559
Congress say, for example, not
only are we removing the disability for everyone

714
00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:14.079
who currently participate in insurrection, but
we are also moving to disability for everyone

715
00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:17.719
in the future too. So that's
the question people are not sure about,

716
00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:23.440
is whether the statute is forward looking, prospective as well as retrospective. Yeah,

717
00:55:24.079 --> 00:55:29.360
Steve, you have anything to add
about the Minnesota Supreme Court or the

718
00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:35.119
Nope, not really except speechless ladies. So well, Lucretia has trouble saying

719
00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:39.159
Hans bon Spokowski. I have occasionally, in casual conversation just referred to him

720
00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:43.599
as count Chocolate because it's simpler and
he kind of likes that. So if

721
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:47.679
you want to go with that,
you can count Schocula. Okay, Well,

722
00:55:47.719 --> 00:55:52.719
I think for the last issue we
should discuss, even though we are

723
00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:58.239
starting to run short in time,
is the continuing, in fact rising anti

724
00:55:58.280 --> 00:56:02.760
semitism we are seeing not just on
campus but in city streets. Now we've

725
00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:10.400
seen major protests and demonstrations going on
at places like Harvard and Yale and Columbia

726
00:56:10.719 --> 00:56:15.880
and Penn but also in the city
streets in New York City, in places

727
00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:22.320
like Chicago, and in places like
Washington, DC. Let me and having

728
00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:25.840
you know, been out of the
country for two weeks, I'm shocked to

729
00:56:25.920 --> 00:56:31.320
see the anti Semitism is on the
rise. So Steve, let's start with

730
00:56:31.360 --> 00:56:37.320
you. What explains this? Have
there been anti semits all around and we

731
00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:42.679
just didn't know about it and they're
just coming to the foe? Or is

732
00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:45.880
this, I mean, is this
in some way a legitimate response to what's

733
00:56:45.920 --> 00:56:52.280
happening in Gaza and Israel? What
explains this? Or is it they're being

734
00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:57.920
encouraged in some way by faculty and
administrative What explains this? Steve? Well,

735
00:56:57.920 --> 00:57:00.840
so, first of all, in
reverse order, has this seminism always

736
00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:02.599
been out there? I think the
Andrews No, I think there's something different

737
00:57:02.679 --> 00:57:06.480
happening right now. We'll explain that
in a moment. But I mean,

738
00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:08.360
you know, you have been out
of the country. It gets so I

739
00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:13.679
think maybe you know, cowardly college
administrators they hoped, Okay, this is

740
00:57:13.719 --> 00:57:15.639
a spasm of protest, it's going
to die down, it's going to go

741
00:57:15.639 --> 00:57:21.960
away. That's not happening. The
intensity is building, So you know MIT

742
00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:25.000
has had some really ugly incidents in
the last seventy two hours on their campus

743
00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:31.559
of the's pro Palestinian pro hamas demonstrators
blocking Jewish students from going to class.

744
00:57:34.159 --> 00:57:37.039
There was a demonstrator. We got
a video up on power line of a

745
00:57:37.480 --> 00:57:42.280
demonstrator who walked into some math class
and waved the Palestinian flag around and the

746
00:57:42.320 --> 00:57:46.159
instructor was totally clueless about this and
didn't stop it. But then there was

747
00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:51.039
a sit in at the University of
Chicago, I think Friday, maybe Thursday,

748
00:57:51.039 --> 00:57:52.920
but late in the week. The
sit in a bunch of students and

749
00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:57.440
two faculty members and they were all
arrested. Chicago, going back to the

750
00:57:57.519 --> 00:58:02.039
Vietnam Mears was actually very tough on
sit insdministration buildings and in the sixties expelled

751
00:58:02.039 --> 00:58:07.000
some students and they never had a
problem after that. And what I think

752
00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:09.440
now is is if there are any
faculty members arrested for sitting in on the

753
00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:13.639
building, they should be instantly fired. I don't care what their tenure rights

754
00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:17.880
are. This is not going to
change until there are serious consequences for faculty

755
00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:22.239
and students and also arrest. In
the case of MIT, I don't know

756
00:58:22.239 --> 00:58:24.599
if it's a student or not,
but if they have people on the campus

757
00:58:25.119 --> 00:58:30.840
agitating who aren't students, they should
be arrested for trespassing and prosecuted. The

758
00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:36.360
bigger point is this. The problem
here is that administrators, including you know,

759
00:58:36.440 --> 00:58:39.360
our dean, who you know,
we kind of like in the number

760
00:58:39.400 --> 00:58:43.639
of ways personally and has been very
good on free speech issues. But Dean

761
00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:45.960
Chimerinsky had an article a week ago
saying, nothing prepared me for the anti

762
00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:50.239
semitism we're seeing. Here's the problem
with that. It's not that he was

763
00:58:50.360 --> 00:58:54.599
naive or not paying attention. He's
emblematic of the entire class of the university

764
00:58:54.719 --> 00:59:01.199
leaders today who thought it was costless
to indulge Capis radicalism, who never fought

765
00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:05.159
for a moment. You know,
we can let them have these land acknowledgment

766
00:59:05.159 --> 00:59:07.760
statements because it's just virtue saying that
it doesn't amount to anything, and they

767
00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:12.440
thought it was a free thing to
do. It would cost them more to

768
00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:16.480
object to land acknowledgements, cost them
more to block expansions and hirings radical faculty,

769
00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:20.840
and now they're seeing that, in
fact, it was not costless.

770
00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:25.480
And I think part of the reason
for the anti Semitism now is not the

771
00:59:25.639 --> 00:59:30.119
historic Jew hatred that was always the
core of it. In fact, Jews

772
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:36.000
fit the class of oppressors who represent
all of the things that work in our

773
00:59:36.039 --> 00:59:40.199
civilization that progresses hate, and I
think that's what fuels the ferocity of this

774
00:59:40.280 --> 00:59:45.159
among people who otherwise probably wouldn't care
about the subject very much, or don't

775
00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:49.840
actually have much to say about Jews, or think about some of the historic

776
00:59:49.880 --> 00:59:52.840
grievances of Jews as money lenders and
all the rest of that. And I

777
00:59:52.880 --> 00:59:54.320
think the final proof of that,
and I'll stop because I think Lucrease is

778
00:59:54.880 --> 01:00:00.559
very indulgent of my rant here is
the fact that they're using settler colone is

779
01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:05.840
their main ideological hook, not the
Jews were you know, a particular avaricious

780
01:00:05.880 --> 01:00:08.199
minority, you prayed on others,
or conspiratory some of the stuff that's been

781
01:00:08.239 --> 01:00:12.039
around for centuries. That's not with
the rest of the song. It's on

782
01:00:12.679 --> 01:00:17.239
very recent ideological grounds. And this
is why nothing's going to change until a

783
01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:22.599
lot of people are fired and a
lot of campus departments are closed down completely.

784
01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:28.599
So I'll stop there. So the
anti Semitism is really just the highest

785
01:00:28.639 --> 01:00:32.199
stage of wokeism. Yes, yes, exactly, that's that's shorter summary.

786
01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:37.599
Yes, yeah, so awesome college
kids. You don't know the difference between

787
01:00:37.639 --> 01:00:43.159
men and women have all be come
as experts on the Israeli Palestine conflict,

788
01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:46.719
you know, I mean, yeah, it's it's I think it's that it's

789
01:00:46.760 --> 01:00:52.639
certainly trendy. I don't give the
Irwin Timerinskis of the world quite as much

790
01:00:53.239 --> 01:00:58.719
credit as Steve does. I think
he's right, But I don't think that

791
01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:04.559
they thought about cost or the lack
of a cost one way or the other.

792
01:01:04.639 --> 01:01:12.519
They hired these awful people. They
hired dei people. They hired critical

793
01:01:12.679 --> 01:01:17.400
race theorists in English departments instead of
people who could actually speak and teach English.

794
01:01:17.480 --> 01:01:22.920
You know, they brought in the
students and bragged about it, you

795
01:01:22.960 --> 01:01:25.639
know, the whole affirmative action thing, like you said when you say peak

796
01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:32.199
wokeism. And so is it any
surprise that every single college student is now

797
01:01:32.320 --> 01:01:38.559
as stupid and ideologically much as much
of a moron as AOC and elan omar.

798
01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:45.440
I mean, this is what they've
been pushing this for years, and

799
01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:49.679
now they're surprised. I mean it
just it drives me crazy. That's my

800
01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:52.079
problem with it. But the other
thing about I do want to say quickly

801
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:59.079
Steve, is that I really don't
disagree with anything you said. But again

802
01:01:59.400 --> 01:02:07.559
I am so times just appalled at
forgive this the narrative. Yeah, And

803
01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:09.039
what I mean by that, of
course, is that, you know,

804
01:02:09.599 --> 01:02:15.719
occupiers. One of my favorite things
I saw on Twitter was isn't it crazy

805
01:02:15.840 --> 01:02:23.519
that Israel has to invade a land
they already occupy? You know? Yeah,

806
01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:30.119
And there's no concern whatsoever about is
the Palestinians are refugees? What the

807
01:02:30.159 --> 01:02:35.719
hell are they a refugee from?
I mean, seriously, what are they

808
01:02:35.800 --> 01:02:38.519
refuge refugee camps? They bond a
refugee camp? What in the hell are

809
01:02:38.519 --> 01:02:45.679
the refugee camps in Gaza for anymore? Does anybody understand what's happening there?

810
01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:52.480
Obviously not right? And why you
know Egypt when Egypt says no, we're

811
01:02:52.519 --> 01:02:55.880
not going to take them, We're
not going to take them, and Jordi

812
01:02:57.000 --> 01:03:00.400
kicked them out thirty five years ago, right yeah, and Lebanon kicked them

813
01:03:00.440 --> 01:03:04.639
out on and on and on,
and we're gonna play this game. We're

814
01:03:04.639 --> 01:03:07.760
gonna let I mean, at least
they did, in fact censor that ugly,

815
01:03:08.119 --> 01:03:14.320
nasty excuse for a woman. I
guess she's a woman. I don't

816
01:03:14.320 --> 01:03:16.719
know. I'm with Katangi on this. I can't tell if she's a woman.

817
01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:22.559
Rashieta to leave. She's so ugly
nasty. I'm being lukis them again.

818
01:03:23.119 --> 01:03:27.039
Yeah, yeah, but she's just
awful. And you know, it's

819
01:03:27.079 --> 01:03:30.000
just the ugliness of her soul.
I think comes out in because I don't

820
01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:34.800
think i'd care otherwise. But they
censor during Congress. I guess that's something

821
01:03:35.039 --> 01:03:38.000
in the House of Representatives center censre, not censor. Censure, yeah,

822
01:03:38.119 --> 01:03:43.000
censure. Yeah. Yeah, they
didn't censor her. They shut her up.

823
01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:46.760
They should put a gag on her. But anyway, So that's that's

824
01:03:46.760 --> 01:03:49.760
that's all. John, What do
you think, I mean, they're lying

825
01:03:49.840 --> 01:03:55.159
about everything. I mean, so
you both think that anti Semitism now is

826
01:03:55.239 --> 01:04:01.159
really the product of this kind of
Marxist cultural ideology and not this kind of

827
01:04:01.199 --> 01:04:05.840
more primitive, uh you know,
hatred of the other, which is,

828
01:04:06.039 --> 01:04:11.760
you know, beset human society for
thousands of years. This is something new

829
01:04:11.800 --> 01:04:15.119
and different, as Steve said,
which is this is not this is not

830
01:04:15.159 --> 01:04:18.079
something a lot of people are right
saying right now. This is a this

831
01:04:18.159 --> 01:04:23.960
is an interesting, provocative new idea. It's it's multifaceted. Of course,

832
01:04:24.039 --> 01:04:27.679
John, what you say, what
the what you your example of course is

833
01:04:27.719 --> 01:04:33.000
true also as is you know some
what Steve calls a more sophisticated kind of

834
01:04:33.880 --> 01:04:39.239
anti Semitism. You know, the
Jews are avaricious, and you know money

835
01:04:39.320 --> 01:04:43.280
lenders, and sure there's a little
bit of that, and you know,

836
01:04:43.400 --> 01:04:49.599
there's there's just let's get on the
bandwagon with wocism. Let's it's it's it's

837
01:04:50.079 --> 01:04:54.679
it's one of those things that it's
a moment where it's all coming together.

838
01:04:55.039 --> 01:04:59.599
Maybe like you say, peak wocism. Yeah, I don't know, it's

839
01:04:59.639 --> 01:05:02.519
it's what do you think should be
the next steps? You're saying the arrest

840
01:05:02.679 --> 01:05:11.599
and defrocking, as it were,
a faculty expulsion of students you've heard.

841
01:05:11.920 --> 01:05:15.719
In fact, I was getting into
arguments with people at the Federal Society convention

842
01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:23.559
because I was making fairly pro strong
Israel arguments and I was told, well,

843
01:05:23.760 --> 01:05:28.599
are you engaging in cancel culture too? Then? Oh, are you

844
01:05:28.800 --> 01:05:33.920
are you expelling wanting to expel students
or in post consequences on them because of

845
01:05:33.960 --> 01:05:41.360
their deeply held political beliefs and exercising
the right to speech. What do you

846
01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:45.559
think, Steve, Well, the
point is we're seeing it's clearly going beyond

847
01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:51.239
that. I mean sit ins,
you know, actually physically intimidating Jewish students

848
01:05:51.280 --> 01:05:56.360
on some campuses and assaulting them.
Right. And again, you know,

849
01:05:56.639 --> 01:06:00.000
we've had these universities all concerned for
twenty years now, fit ten, twenty

850
01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:06.679
years on microaggressions and having the campuses
be safe for everybody, and we're now

851
01:06:06.679 --> 01:06:12.519
seeing are macroaggressions. These aren't microaggressions. This isn't misgendering somebody in the classroom,

852
01:06:12.599 --> 01:06:16.280
as you know you and I have
done, but it is for yourself,

853
01:06:16.840 --> 01:06:20.559
okay. But the point is these
are real macro aggressions going on,

854
01:06:20.639 --> 01:06:25.199
and there's a malignancy to it.
And you know, I've gone through my

855
01:06:25.239 --> 01:06:27.880
theoretical stuff on this actually action.
I've talked about this, and we're going

856
01:06:27.960 --> 01:06:30.519
to do this sometime. I've been
rereading Lucretia. I read I dusted off

857
01:06:30.519 --> 01:06:33.599
Frank Canavan's old book, which is
mostly about obscenity, is old freedom of

858
01:06:33.639 --> 01:06:39.400
expression book, but it builds on
Jack Old right. But and I read

859
01:06:39.639 --> 01:06:43.920
Jaffa's old essay about this, which
I think also applies Java's essay John,

860
01:06:43.960 --> 01:06:45.840
which I won't try and do now
because we're running over time. It was

861
01:06:45.880 --> 01:06:50.239
all about why it would be right
to ban the Communist Party in America.

862
01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:56.079
However, he thought it wasn't necessary
to do so, because our democratic culture

863
01:06:56.079 --> 01:07:00.559
is so robust that you can apply
prudence to the matter. And Pruden says,

864
01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:01.880
we don't need to do that.
We can defeat them with arguments,

865
01:07:02.159 --> 01:07:08.440
but with a malign exactly. That's
what I'm saying. Circumstances now are different,

866
01:07:08.800 --> 01:07:12.760
and I'll just stop there. We
should take this up sometime soon,

867
01:07:12.800 --> 01:07:15.079
Man, when you and I seize
the microphone from John. Next week or

868
01:07:15.079 --> 01:07:19.320
the week after, we'll do that. Yes, I look forward to hearing

869
01:07:19.440 --> 01:07:26.039
what the Jaffies theory of free speech
is. It's a subtle argument, John.

870
01:07:26.159 --> 01:07:29.679
It takes a little bit of time
to run it through, but we

871
01:07:30.039 --> 01:07:32.760
will. I'm sure that Steve will
post a link to it to the Power

872
01:07:33.119 --> 01:07:36.639
to the power Line blog so we
can all read in anticipation of the next

873
01:07:36.679 --> 01:07:43.800
episode. There will be a quiz
at the end of the show, and

874
01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:49.840
as the listeners no doubt know,
Lucretia is not an easy grater. I

875
01:07:49.840 --> 01:07:54.920
think that brings us to the end
of our top I have to confess.

876
01:07:56.599 --> 01:08:00.360
I was in Peru and Brazil in
this last which I found very encouraging.

877
01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:04.719
I loved both countries and had wonderful
food, great hosts, and I really

878
01:08:04.760 --> 01:08:10.039
came away thinking both of them had
a kind of spirit of the frontier that

879
01:08:10.079 --> 01:08:14.599
we are kind of losing and America
I really felt that. But most important

880
01:08:14.599 --> 01:08:20.960
of all, they were both great
countries because to those far reaches of civilization,

881
01:08:21.199 --> 01:08:27.319
no word of Kamala Harris could reach. So I have I have no

882
01:08:27.439 --> 01:08:31.319
coalism because there was no news about
Kamala Harris in Peru or Brazil, which

883
01:08:31.359 --> 01:08:35.000
made me a good thing. My
line on this is she's being as quiet

884
01:08:35.119 --> 01:08:42.560
right now as a diversity, Equity
and Inclusion Dean be very quiet about they're

885
01:08:42.600 --> 01:08:45.439
out ofly silent or radio silence,
the DEI people, this anty Semitism stuff.

886
01:08:45.439 --> 01:08:50.640
It's kind of conspicuotd. She's so
silent. There's no Camalism, no

887
01:08:50.760 --> 01:08:55.560
Cobalism exactly. There's now. I
will say. The only thing I did

888
01:08:55.600 --> 01:09:00.000
see about her with all this was
that her staff are deathly worried that actually

889
01:09:00.119 --> 01:09:06.159
some of these anti Israel protests were
going to be launched at her because she's

890
01:09:06.600 --> 01:09:12.279
because of Joe Biden's strong support for
Israel, but also because she's married to

891
01:09:12.319 --> 01:09:17.199
a Jewish husband. But her her
stepdaughter is doing pro Palestine demonstration eight million

892
01:09:17.239 --> 01:09:24.920
dollars she's raised one. Yeah,
yeah, So how about you, Lucretia,

893
01:09:24.960 --> 01:09:29.039
do you have some Babylon although you
have used up one of the best

894
01:09:29.079 --> 01:09:31.840
ones, are you ready used up
the best one? I have more very

895
01:09:31.920 --> 01:09:35.800
relevant to things you talked about,
Jonah. To start with the FBI and

896
01:09:35.840 --> 01:09:39.720
your your call, I of course
call for it to be abolished, but

897
01:09:40.600 --> 01:09:45.479
I'll go with yours for the moment. But so the the Babylon b says,

898
01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:48.920
here's here's what you how you can
judge if you'd actually make a good

899
01:09:49.079 --> 01:09:55.960
FBI agent. So its being an
FBI agent is a sweet gig excitement,

900
01:09:56.199 --> 01:10:00.960
carrying a badge and gun, wearing
one of those cool FBI windbreakers, spying

901
01:10:00.960 --> 01:10:05.399
on law abiding citizens and cracking down
on dangerous terrorists like anti Mabel who voted

902
01:10:05.399 --> 01:10:10.760
for Trump doesn't want to become an
FBI agent, right, And so here's

903
01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:13.800
I'm not going to read them all, just a couple. Uh. You

904
01:10:13.800 --> 01:10:17.840
always you always got in trouble at
school for being a tattletale. Willingness to

905
01:10:17.880 --> 01:10:24.359
snitch on your fellow citizens is number
one. You're absolutely convinced, Lee Harvey

906
01:10:24.359 --> 01:10:33.680
Oswald acted alone. This is non
negotiable. You're a sorry. Your favorite

907
01:10:33.720 --> 01:10:39.520
part of watching a movie is the
FBI piracy warning. Reading the criminal penalties

908
01:10:39.560 --> 01:10:44.159
for bootlegging movies is always better than
the movies themselves. It's actually pretty funny.

909
01:10:45.920 --> 01:10:48.560
But yeah, you could get a
leg up on the competition if you

910
01:10:48.680 --> 01:10:55.119
if you can pass all nine all
right, Republican Party checks into rehab for

911
01:10:55.319 --> 01:11:01.640
addiction to losing. Oh yeah,
ooh yeah, I know it's really bad.

912
01:11:01.760 --> 01:11:06.439
What can we say? Although I
lost my page? Oh here we

913
01:11:06.479 --> 01:11:15.680
go. Trump swing state lead expected
to hold on till three am on election

914
01:11:15.880 --> 01:11:25.359
night. This one for you,
guys. Viveck emerges as front runner of

915
01:11:25.520 --> 01:11:31.840
people who are never going to be
president. And then, just just to

916
01:11:31.880 --> 01:11:38.600
tie it all together for you guys, Gavin Newsom quickly bands high capacity assault

917
01:11:38.720 --> 01:11:44.720
high heels. That is great,
all right, you guys, it's nice

918
01:11:44.760 --> 01:11:46.720
to see you again, John,
I really missed. Yeah, glad to

919
01:11:46.760 --> 01:11:51.920
be back, everybody. So let
me send us out with our usual farewells.

920
01:11:53.000 --> 01:11:59.520
So always drink your whiskey meat.
Let's go Brandon and Steve. God

921
01:11:59.680 --> 01:12:04.680
save queen Man. All right,
next week, Gang bye everyone. Bye.

922
01:12:05.520 --> 01:12:15.720
Least comment, I said, Hey, least comments here, least coming,

923
01:12:15.720 --> 01:12:24.159
I said, hey, least comment
hell okay, hell please comment,

924
01:12:25.760 --> 01:12:39.720
Hey hell please come hell LEAs comment? Hey hell lease comments here, least

925
01:12:39.800 --> 01:12:48.600
come in here, least coming here
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926
01:12:48.800 --> 01:13:02.520
HEAs comment, heyles comment, Hey, hell, lea's comment? This come

927
01:13:02.680 --> 01:13:15.399
in here, this is coming.
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928
01:13:16.039 --> 01:13:28.880
He's coming in my boss Holder's coming. Ricochet Join the conversation.