WEBVTT 1 00:00:12.320 --> 00:00:15.480 Welcome to the Crown and Anchor Greyhounds. This is Richmond Till We Die, 2 00:00:15.720 --> 00:00:19.559 the conversation about the Apple TV Plus show ted Lasso, where we explore the 3 00:00:19.640 --> 00:00:23.000 characters, their relationships to each other, and how they're able to make a 4 00:00:23.079 --> 00:00:26.519 slap until we can hardly breathe one moment and feel with the deepest parts of 5 00:00:26.519 --> 00:00:32.119 our hearts the next. I'm Christian and to air for today's interview, I 6 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:38.399 listened to copious amounts of big crit the most notable rapper of all time from 7 00:00:38.439 --> 00:00:44.359 the state of Mississippi. Our guest today is Alex McDaniel. Alex is the 8 00:00:44.399 --> 00:00:49.000 managing editor at USA Today's For the Win, a social news hub that focuses 9 00:00:49.039 --> 00:00:53.880 on sports and entertainment. Of course, Alex is a huge, huge fan 10 00:00:53.960 --> 00:00:57.159 of ted Lasso as well. She's written about ted Lasso for at the Win 11 00:00:57.560 --> 00:01:02.479 and has had the opportunity to interview principal cast member for the site. Alex 12 00:01:02.560 --> 00:01:07.640 also co host ted Lasso episodes for the Big Screen Sports Podcast. Is one 13 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:11.719 of our favorite Twitter follows, and as such is the primary reason we have 14 00:01:11.799 --> 00:01:18.000 a working knowledge of news. Emanating from the University of Mississippi Athletic Department, 15 00:01:18.319 --> 00:01:22.920 and this is your official warning there are some light spoilers for ted Lasso season 16 00:01:22.959 --> 00:01:29.640 three up through episode five, So Greyhounds please join us in giving a warm 17 00:01:29.640 --> 00:01:33.719 welcome to Alex McDaniel. Thank you so much for being here with us this 18 00:01:33.799 --> 00:01:37.439 morning. Alex, this is so exciting y'all. Thank you so much for 19 00:01:37.480 --> 00:01:40.120 asking me to come on. I feel this is just a treat. Y'all 20 00:01:40.120 --> 00:01:42.079 are great. I love what you do. Oh well, thanks, Well, 21 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:46.280 we're fans of your work too, and the reason one of the reasons 22 00:01:46.280 --> 00:01:49.079 we connected with you on the internet is because we are all fans of the 23 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:53.560 show ted Lasso, of course. So why did you decide to start watching 24 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:56.040 ted Lasso? And what was the moment you knew Okay, yeah, I'm 25 00:01:56.079 --> 00:01:59.560 in this. Yeah. So it's a few things. I mean, I 26 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:02.120 think one of the one of my favorite things just about I think the collective 27 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:06.560 fan base who've been watching from the beginning is we all know we were pretty 28 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:08.960 much in the same situation, right and it was different levels of terrible in 29 00:02:09.080 --> 00:02:15.560 summer twenty twenty. So you know, like right after COVID hit, I 30 00:02:15.639 --> 00:02:19.319 kind of had a dream job at ESP Nation. I loved it, and 31 00:02:19.759 --> 00:02:24.000 we all got unceremoniously laid off, and I spent that summer playing animal crossing 32 00:02:24.159 --> 00:02:29.159 and being just like waiting to find out, Like I was doing freelance stuff, 33 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:31.240 but I felt so lost, and I think all of us did, 34 00:02:31.280 --> 00:02:36.919 and it was just kind of this collective isolation and sadness. And I forget 35 00:02:36.919 --> 00:02:38.240 where I saw it, but it was just something that had popped up, 36 00:02:38.240 --> 00:02:42.879 maybe on an ad. And you know, I've been an SNL fan since 37 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:46.360 birth, and I've loved Jason Sadigis forever, and I especially love his dramatic 38 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:51.599 work. I think I've seen all of his movies, and I you know, 39 00:02:51.639 --> 00:02:52.960 in my head, I was like, oh, that'll be funny. 40 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:54.919 Yeah, it's another funny shot, but that'll be really good. And so 41 00:02:55.159 --> 00:02:59.680 I just started watching it. I guess it was that August or whenever it 42 00:02:59.759 --> 00:03:01.840 draw, I think it took. I knew I was going to watch it 43 00:03:01.879 --> 00:03:05.680 regardless, because it was one of those things I just think you invest in 44 00:03:05.680 --> 00:03:07.000 certain people and you're like, this could be kind of garbage, and I'll 45 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:12.680 still watch the whole thing, right, But I think it was episode three 46 00:03:13.479 --> 00:03:15.280 with Trent Krem. I think that was the one where it really clicked for 47 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:19.479 me and a lot of people where I was like, oh, this is 48 00:03:19.520 --> 00:03:22.000 more than what we thought. It was, like, this is going to 49 00:03:22.080 --> 00:03:28.120 go deeper than just this major league esque plotline. And that's when I started 50 00:03:28.199 --> 00:03:32.319 squawking on Twitter every day, like bullying people like you've got to watch the 51 00:03:32.319 --> 00:03:36.560 show because there's just something here and I don't know what it is, but 52 00:03:37.120 --> 00:03:39.159 yeah, So that's how I got into it. Now here we stand, 53 00:03:39.319 --> 00:03:45.319 we're about halfway through season three as we're having this conversation right now, and 54 00:03:45.719 --> 00:03:49.039 at the beginning of this season, you wrote a piece at for the Win 55 00:03:49.159 --> 00:03:53.800 titled te Lasso's third season feels like the end. Now we have to trust 56 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:59.240 them to stick the landing. How are you holding up now with your trust 57 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:03.280 to the process meter as to them sticking the landing, I think they're going 58 00:04:03.360 --> 00:04:08.159 to do it. I think this season is so different for a lot of 59 00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:10.840 reasons. Number one, we had to wait so long for it. Number 60 00:04:10.840 --> 00:04:15.439 two, these episodes are twice as long, and so we're the experience of 61 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:18.120 watching it is so different. We're getting all of these storylines that are progressing 62 00:04:18.160 --> 00:04:23.959 and wrapping up, and it's certainly not the simple like season one. You 63 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:27.040 know, is Rebecca going to be nice. You know, it's like so 64 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:30.199 much happening, but you know, this writing team and as a writer myself, 65 00:04:30.199 --> 00:04:34.199 like I just really love good storytelling, and I have no reason to 66 00:04:34.199 --> 00:04:40.160 believe they won't. Like I think in that column, my biggest point was 67 00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:44.600 when you get invested in the show and you love it for whatever reasons you 68 00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:46.519 have, you do get an idea in your head of like what does a 69 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:49.600 good ending look like to me? Like what would make me happy for these 70 00:04:49.639 --> 00:04:53.959 characters? And so I think my point was like you may not get that, 71 00:04:54.120 --> 00:04:57.480 you might not get what you want, you know, pun intended, 72 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:00.639 But I do think think it's going to end the way it's supposed to end, 73 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:04.480 and so I'm still very confident in that. But I kind of like 74 00:05:04.560 --> 00:05:08.120 how clueless we are about a lot of things right now. It's kind of 75 00:05:08.279 --> 00:05:13.959 anything could happen. So it's been good. Yeah. One of the really 76 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:18.199 interesting things as this show has developed is kind of taking what you said about 77 00:05:18.279 --> 00:05:21.399 first season. It was very like clear what the focus was, like, 78 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:25.160 you know, we were learning about Ted, but really it was like is 79 00:05:25.240 --> 00:05:28.759 Rebecca going to be redeemed? Like is she gonna actually like sort of start 80 00:05:28.759 --> 00:05:31.439 to heal and now they've done so much work with all of these characters, 81 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:33.959 who, like in a lot of shows, would be more of like supporting 82 00:05:34.040 --> 00:05:38.519 characters, like they would have some kind of B or C plot stuff. 83 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:42.720 But in the second and third season especially, like that has really come into 84 00:05:42.759 --> 00:05:45.560 focus and become part of, like a major part of the show. So 85 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:48.160 it's not just what is Ted or what is Rebecca doing, Like we're seeing 86 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:51.560 lots of growth from Roy and Keiley and Nate, like, there have been 87 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:57.160 so many other characters that have very weighty storylines and that I think has contributed 88 00:05:57.199 --> 00:06:00.160 to the sort of feeling of what's going to happen, because it feels like 89 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:04.360 there's a lot to resolve with seven episodes left. If this is indeed the 90 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:08.519 final season, you know, if we if we're wrapping up this you know, 91 00:06:08.560 --> 00:06:10.959 this arc, this chapter, however you want to think about it right 92 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:13.920 now, it's a lot And I think that's a credit to the writers that 93 00:06:13.959 --> 00:06:16.839 they've made these characters so interesting that we care about all of them, I 94 00:06:16.959 --> 00:06:20.360 know, and we really do care about all of them. I think when 95 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:24.160 you do kind of a rundown, it's like I need to know this is 96 00:06:24.199 --> 00:06:28.759 going to work out for everybody involved here, and so you know, it's 97 00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:30.439 exactly what you said. It's just a credit to the to the writer's room, 98 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:35.959 because they are so intentional about both how they've structured the show but also 99 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:41.120 in the micro sense of like how they've you know, made these episodes kind 100 00:06:41.160 --> 00:06:44.680 of further these stories. Yeah, it's their fault for making us so invested, 101 00:06:44.839 --> 00:06:48.800 is what you're right? Hate it? You alluded to earlier how this 102 00:06:48.920 --> 00:06:58.199 question has shifted from will Rebecca be nice to kind of how can Rebecca process 103 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:02.199 the trauma that she's been through to the best of her ability in this moment. 104 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:08.079 And you did write a piece called What ted Lasso taught Us about Abuse 105 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:13.560 Recovery in the Pitfalls of Revenge way back in the dark ages of twenty twenty 106 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:17.120 one. It's probably one of the best pieces of writing on to quote Higgins, 107 00:07:17.160 --> 00:07:24.600 the goddamn Internet thoughts. What thoughts or insights would you add to that 108 00:07:24.759 --> 00:07:30.279 article now that we've seen more of Rebecca's story play out? You know, 109 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:33.720 it's so interesting too, because kind of going back to that story I started 110 00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:36.199 telling twenty twenty where I'd lost my dream job. I didn't know if I'd 111 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:43.680 land anywhere. I started it for the win that month that season two is 112 00:07:43.680 --> 00:07:46.079 coming out, and so that first week I was like, so, um, 113 00:07:46.279 --> 00:07:48.480 can we do a Ted Lasso week? You know? And I like 114 00:07:48.519 --> 00:07:51.800 a lot of my team, my employees, like they had followed me on 115 00:07:51.800 --> 00:07:55.639 Twitter and they knew I was obsessed and like, yeah, let's do it. 116 00:07:55.759 --> 00:07:59.439 And so I hadn't written anything for the site yet because I was getting 117 00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:03.720 acclimated as an editor and trying to learn everything. And I told my deputy 118 00:08:03.839 --> 00:08:05.439 editor, I'm like, I'm gonna write something really light and fun. Okay, 119 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:07.800 I'm about ted last time. I'll just hand it to you. And 120 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:11.720 then like he gets on at six am and sees like this, you know, 121 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:13.639 this long thing. And so I went back and because I don't like 122 00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:18.040 to reread old stuff. I think when you're a writer or any kind of 123 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:20.839 artist, you just it's part of it is like I see a million things 124 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:24.519 I would change, and part of it is when you write something personal, 125 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:26.639 it's like, get that is exactly where I was two years ago, and 126 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:31.360 I don't know if I want to revisit it or look at it with fresh 127 00:08:31.360 --> 00:08:35.159 eyes. But I did go back, and I was glad I had written 128 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:37.279 some of the things I had. I didn't feel like it was a total 129 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:41.080 stranger right back at me. And I think Rebecca's story to me has been 130 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:45.440 the most personal for sure, and the one I've related to the most. 131 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:48.480 It's you know, I see a lot of obvious I see a lot of 132 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:54.240 people on Twitter talking about things this season that I don't necessarily agree with, 133 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:56.039 where some people have said, oh, this baby things out of nowhere, 134 00:08:56.039 --> 00:09:01.360 Well that's not true, or you know, she's regressing and you know her 135 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:05.320 hatred towards Rupert is clouding your judgment, which I do think, but I 136 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:07.559 don't think it's as simple as oh, all of her healing is gone. 137 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:11.480 I think, you know, there are a lot of there's a lot of 138 00:09:11.559 --> 00:09:16.639 nuance there behind why she feels the way she does and the fact that she 139 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:20.919 you know, we season two was such a big mental health season and we 140 00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:24.200 saw a lot of healing, especially on Ted's part and everything, but she 141 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:26.840 hadn't really started that process yet, like we saw it in the funeral where 142 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:31.039 she started talking about things. But she's very closed off and a very British 143 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:35.879 kind of like I'm going to keep everything buried down deep and who needs a 144 00:09:35.919 --> 00:09:39.080 therapist when you can just bother your friends with your problems or whatever. So 145 00:09:41.559 --> 00:09:43.879 you know, I think she's still has a lot to figure out. I 146 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:48.679 think for me, it's just she's trying to find what happiness is to her 147 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:54.200 and what it will take to make her feel like she's lived a fulfilling life 148 00:09:54.279 --> 00:10:01.240 for what she's wanted. When people talk about the pregnancy or just going to 149 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:05.240 become a mother thing, and we go back to that episode in season one 150 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:09.799 where Rupert says, you know, I suppose I just didn't want a baby 151 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:13.200 with you know, or like this is better or whatever he says in her 152 00:10:13.240 --> 00:10:15.679 face, and she's the best face actor I've ever seen, but you can 153 00:10:15.679 --> 00:10:18.639 tell her just devastates her and she feels like she's missed out on something. 154 00:10:18.679 --> 00:10:24.279 And so I think people are wrongly interpreting this as, oh, well, 155 00:10:24.279 --> 00:10:26.279 she's just like so desperate for love, she's looking for a baby. It's 156 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:28.200 like, no, this is actually a part of her she's really wanted. 157 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:33.879 She has maternal instincts that have shown through the show. So I'm really interested 158 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:37.559 to see how that comes about and what that family looks like for her, 159 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:41.480 because I don't if it is romantic love, great if it, but if 160 00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:45.720 it's if it's her adopting a child or you know, becoming a stepmother or 161 00:10:45.720 --> 00:10:48.360 something like whatever form that takes. I think that's when we're going to really 162 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:54.120 see kind of the evolution and completion of that character's journey because she, you 163 00:10:54.159 --> 00:10:58.080 know, I think she's going in the right direction. She knows where she 164 00:10:58.120 --> 00:10:58.879 wants to go. We just don't know how it's going to end up. 165 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:03.679 But you know, I love Rebecca. I just think she's a great character. 166 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:11.200 Being press can be tricky because there are some people in some press outlets 167 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:16.360 where you have to remain objective or neutral or whatever. One of the nice 168 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:20.320 things about some of the places you've written is that you still get to be 169 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:24.440 a fan of things, and so anybody who follows on social media knows there 170 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:28.519 are some things that you really really love. Was that tricky when you were 171 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:33.799 part of the official Ted Lasso press junkett to keep your fangirl at bay as 172 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:41.000 you were interviewing primary cast members. So it's interesting because you know, my 173 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:43.960 career, I started in traditional news and magazines and you know, went to 174 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:48.240 J school and I'm definitely one of those that I do not believe you need 175 00:11:48.279 --> 00:11:52.600 a traditional journalism background to make it in this business. That's just where I 176 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:56.600 came from. And early in my career, and I wasn't in sports at 177 00:11:56.679 --> 00:12:00.879 all until about six or seven years ago. Early in my career, there 178 00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:03.399 would be people who would call into like a newspaper I worked for, and 179 00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:05.440 they would see on my Twitter that I went to All Miss and I was 180 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:09.559 an Ole Miss fan, and they would accuse me a bias even though I 181 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:11.720 wasn't covering the team. I wasn't. It was wild and it was this 182 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:16.279 whole and I was confronted by a few bosses that were like, you need 183 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:18.360 to keep your opinions to yourself as if I was out there doing politics, 184 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:22.480 you know. And so that was really tricky for me because it, you 185 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:26.720 know, I which I'm not going to get into like my media philosophy here, 186 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:31.480 but basically that we have focused so much on objectivity, which I think 187 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:33.960 is a really unrealistic goal for people, that we have ignored the importance of 188 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:37.000 fairness. And so my argument for years has always been, because I do 189 00:12:37.039 --> 00:12:41.200 have I have had to write about almost sometimes if I'm when I was working 190 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:46.840 in Mississippi, My thing is be honest about where your loyalties lie. And 191 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:48.840 where your biases are, and then make sure there's a system in place that 192 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:52.840 if you are covering them, you are covering them fairly. You have verification, 193 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:56.759 you know, Like I just you know, I don't. I just 194 00:12:56.759 --> 00:13:00.559 don't buy into the idea of like journalists must be objective. Can look up 195 00:13:00.559 --> 00:13:03.120 any journalists passed and look into their history and what they like. We're people 196 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:07.320 and we should be people. Then I did when I was able to pivot 197 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:09.360 into these websites that celebrated being a fan, it was certainly more comfortable for 198 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:15.559 me, and with the junket, I wasn't worried about because I've done enough 199 00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:18.679 interviews that like you just kind of go into interview mode. I was worried 200 00:13:18.679 --> 00:13:22.039 about getting starstruck or anything like that. But it was different than any celebrity 201 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:28.679 interviews I've done because of how personal it was to me. And you know, 202 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:33.159 it's we haven't shared the full interviews yet. We're kind of letting those 203 00:13:33.159 --> 00:13:37.799 come out as the season goes on. But like in Jason's interview, I 204 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:39.840 don't know what came over me, but I had like one question left and 205 00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:45.799 it was going to be a good one, and I lost my mind and 206 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:48.039 was like, I just need you to know, like how much this show 207 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:52.120 meant to me at a time when I thought my whole life was falling apart. 208 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:56.360 And you know, it's weird to think that three years ago I was 209 00:13:56.440 --> 00:13:58.320 unemployed and lost and I just kind of fall in love with the show and 210 00:13:58.360 --> 00:14:01.720 then here I am with a job. I absolutely love interviewing you. And 211 00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:05.519 then it occurred to me what I was doing, and I caught myself like, 212 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:07.879 all this is on video. It's very embarrassing, Like that's so unprofessional. 213 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:11.279 I'm sorry, and Jason's like, who cares? Who cares if it's 214 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:16.279 unprofessional. I think it's important. It was just such a lovely moment, 215 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:20.759 and I felt like such a dork I got done, But then looking back, 216 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:22.559 I was like, I'm glad I said it, you know, because 217 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:26.600 I normally would would keep things very straight. But you know, I think 218 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:31.360 it was just fun. I think Brett was just a delight. More than 219 00:14:31.399 --> 00:14:33.440 anything. I wanted to ask him about Greece too, probably more than anything 220 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:37.240 in the world, so I got to do that. But yeah, it 221 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:41.919 was just it was really fun and nerve wracking, and I think the high 222 00:14:43.039 --> 00:14:45.600 leading up season three, the fact that we waited a year and a half 223 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:48.559 for it, and even like, you know, and this is what I 224 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:52.759 would I don't envy anybody who's famous. The fact that you have headlines about 225 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:56.919 Jason's personal life playing out at this just as strongly at the same time as 226 00:14:56.960 --> 00:15:00.279 the show. I think there's just a lot going into it, and so 227 00:15:00.360 --> 00:15:03.240 getting the opportunity to kind of just talk to them all for a few minutes 228 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:09.879 was very heavy and a blast. But yeah, I can't watch the videos 229 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:13.480 because I just can't do it. I feel like it's written all over my 230 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:20.120 face. I was recently very glad that you were a fan of Oldness because 231 00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:26.440 they just recently hired a men's basketball coach who lost his previous job because he 232 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:31.759 was arrested on a This is always so tricky to talk about because you don't 233 00:15:31.759 --> 00:15:37.600 want to like misrepresent it and get sued. But the police were called to 234 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:41.000 a domestic violence disturbance and he was arrested, and then he lost his previous 235 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:43.879 job, and a lot of people when he lost his job, we're like, 236 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:46.879 call me and he's never going to coach again. And then he is 237 00:15:46.919 --> 00:15:48.440 now coaching again, like just a few months later, and I was like, 238 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:52.879 well, it sucks for I know a lot of old miss fans like 239 00:15:52.919 --> 00:15:56.240 it sucks for them. But I do know one journalist that's not going to 240 00:15:56.320 --> 00:16:02.440 let him get away with anything. So I guess that's that's not a good 241 00:16:02.440 --> 00:16:06.159 thing about it. But no, I mean it's true. That's why. 242 00:16:06.600 --> 00:16:08.159 And I will say this, I don't care if Godrey. A lot of 243 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:12.639 people who work for that university cannot stand me for that reason because they can't 244 00:16:12.759 --> 00:16:17.080 reconcile in their minds. How can you love a place and I do what 245 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:21.519 that place gave to me built my entire life. They don't underly how you 246 00:16:21.559 --> 00:16:22.919 can love a place and criticize it at all. And I'm like, yeah, 247 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:27.440 that's life. I mean think about just even with your family relationships or 248 00:16:27.480 --> 00:16:32.200 your personal relationships, like you're fighting for something you care about, right, 249 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:34.919 and it would make no sense for like you married me, you can't criticize 250 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:37.120 what I do or anything. It's like, well, if we're gonna live 251 00:16:37.120 --> 00:16:41.759 together forever, you know we're gonna have to talk about things that I don't 252 00:16:41.799 --> 00:16:45.000 like. So yeah, I've been very vocal over the years, and even 253 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:51.120 in college. I mean, that university has a very contentious history with race, 254 00:16:51.159 --> 00:16:56.000 related symbolism, and I have covered all of that for like fifteen years 255 00:16:56.000 --> 00:17:00.279 at this point, but it hasn't been easy because then you know, run 256 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:02.399 into somebody at a football game and they're just like, Oh, I'm shocked 257 00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:04.160 to see you here. I figured you would just reject it. I'm like, 258 00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:06.839 man, I just want it to be the best it can be. 259 00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:07.920 I mean, let's how I feel with the South in general, Like, 260 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:14.799 obviously this is a place that needs major overhauling on so many levels, but 261 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:17.119 like I'm a Southern girl at heart, like I want it to be the 262 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:22.759 best it can be. So, yeah, that basketball hires. We'll talk 263 00:17:22.759 --> 00:17:26.400 a lot about it in the future obvia some Twitter rants. But yes, 264 00:17:27.079 --> 00:17:33.039 yeah, we've made the correlation here on our show that SEC football and ACC 265 00:17:33.200 --> 00:17:38.960 basketball are the closest analogs to the EPL in terms of both quality, like 266 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:45.240 being very high quality and having intense fan culture. And so speaking of you 267 00:17:45.279 --> 00:17:48.880 know, your rivalries and allegiances, you have, I think, as an 268 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:55.200 external person, a cheeky and good natured relationship with Mississippi State fans. So 269 00:17:55.279 --> 00:17:59.240 can you please explain to our audience why you went so far as to dress 270 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:04.599 in missus SUPPI State Colors for a recent football game that they played against your 271 00:18:04.640 --> 00:18:10.519 beloved University of Mississippi. Not just the colors. I had the cowbell to 272 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:14.720 select a special cowbell. It's a special cowbell it was. It was a 273 00:18:14.759 --> 00:18:18.519 ted Lasso cowbell um. So I was in the marching band. I was 274 00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:22.160 actually a music major for most of college. Oh yeah, yeah. I 275 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:26.279 wanted to be a here, a band director. That's what I wanted to 276 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:29.319 be. So I was a semester. I was a semester away from finishing 277 00:18:29.319 --> 00:18:32.440 my music D degree. I was like, you know, I'd always been 278 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:37.039 a writer too, and it was really bothering me that I hadn't done anything 279 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:40.480 with it, and I'm like, you know, I need to try it. 280 00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:42.640 It was just the fear of like what if you fail and music ad 281 00:18:42.680 --> 00:18:47.720 even though education jobs certainly and don't come with a lot of works or money 282 00:18:47.799 --> 00:18:51.319 or anything. But I was confident. I was more confident that I would 283 00:18:51.599 --> 00:18:55.440 have a consistent music I career than I was that I could. There is 284 00:18:55.480 --> 00:18:59.319 a stability in that, yes, exactly, And you know, if even 285 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:02.559 if you're not a band, really there are different elements of that you could 286 00:19:02.599 --> 00:19:06.680 you could do. But I just really felt to my god, I was 287 00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:08.160 like, you need to try the writing. You just need to see where 288 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:11.000 it takes you. So my parents were thrilled for me staying in college an 289 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:17.039 extra year after that, but I stayed in the marching Man and I stayed 290 00:19:17.079 --> 00:19:21.880 and went ensemble and and just loved it. And you know, for an 291 00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:26.920 SEC school, which most SEC schools have money at their disposal, and really 292 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:32.519 college bands in general at that level usually have decent practice facilities. They at 293 00:19:32.559 --> 00:19:36.400 least have a practice field similar to what the football team would have where it's 294 00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:41.599 an actual you know field with turf and lines and you want to replicate the 295 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:44.480 stadium atmosphere as much as possible. Well, it's never had that. They 296 00:19:44.480 --> 00:19:48.079 had an open field behind the baseball stadium with ant piles and it was like 297 00:19:48.119 --> 00:19:52.119 a little valley so it would get muddy when it rained, and it wasn't 298 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:56.160 even a hundred yards long, so we would like there were some sets during 299 00:19:56.160 --> 00:20:00.200 practicing we run into the trees and it was it was pitiful, and the 300 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:04.559 band was just mistreated for the longest time. And you definitely in Mississippi anyway, 301 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:07.640 you were not part of that band because like it was a great scholarship 302 00:20:07.799 --> 00:20:10.880 or because you've got a lot, you did it for the love of it. 303 00:20:11.359 --> 00:20:17.200 And so a few years ago they started raising money for a new bandfield 304 00:20:17.279 --> 00:20:22.359 or they launched a campaign, and it just wasn't moving because again the university 305 00:20:22.839 --> 00:20:26.960 hasn't neglected that program for a long time, and even people who donated considerable 306 00:20:26.960 --> 00:20:30.279 amounts of money, like they were trying to reach a five, six, 307 00:20:30.319 --> 00:20:34.720 seven million dollar goal. And the university had reached out to me in early 308 00:20:34.759 --> 00:20:37.880 twenty twenty one and said, we do this thing every year. It's Giving 309 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:42.440 Day. We asked some of our alums if they would be ambassadors on social 310 00:20:42.440 --> 00:20:45.640 media, you know, to support some of these funds. So they wanted 311 00:20:45.640 --> 00:20:48.640 me to work for free basically, and I was like, you know, 312 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:51.920 and I'm again, I'm a journalist, so I'm never going to be like 313 00:20:51.960 --> 00:20:55.519 a million dollar downer to my alm motter. But I am always happy to 314 00:20:55.519 --> 00:21:00.920 do things that I am able to provide. But I I just started thinking 315 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:03.400 about it. I'm like, nobody wants to donate to the band. It's 316 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:04.759 just truely, like, how do we get innovative with this? And I 317 00:21:04.960 --> 00:21:11.559 called I called my friend who he covers Mississippi State, and I said I've 318 00:21:11.559 --> 00:21:15.880 got a wacky idea. Just hear me out. I want to. I 319 00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:18.200 know we're not going to raise a lot of money, but like, what 320 00:21:18.279 --> 00:21:21.839 if we did a thing where if we can get one hundred Mississippi State fans 321 00:21:21.880 --> 00:21:23.759 to donate any amount It could be a dollar, but if we get a 322 00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:27.599 hundred, I will go as a Missisippi State fan to the Egg Bowl this 323 00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:32.000 year, which is our big rivalry football game. And he was like, 324 00:21:32.039 --> 00:21:33.279 I don't know, Alex. I mean, people are not gonna want to, 325 00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:36.799 Like, you know, money's tight for everyone right now. We're still 326 00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:38.440 kind of the throws of COVID, And I'm like, let's just try it. 327 00:21:38.440 --> 00:21:41.640 Will you support me if we do anything? Yeah. So we get 328 00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:45.039 to the day of or I think it was like a two day campaign, 329 00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:48.960 and I lay it out and like, you know, I think I'm friendly 330 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:51.839 with a lot of Missisippi State fans. I mean, I'm not from Mississippi, 331 00:21:51.920 --> 00:21:55.319 but my dad was and his whole family was Mississippi States. So to 332 00:21:55.440 --> 00:21:59.319 me, it's like there's a you know, there's a familiarity there. But 333 00:21:59.400 --> 00:22:02.960 a lot of them really hate me. And so I didn't know how this 334 00:22:03.039 --> 00:22:07.680 is going to go. But we ended up tweeting and retweeting, and we 335 00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:11.839 hit the one hundred very quickly, and then suddenly all this other money started 336 00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:18.480 coming in from people from different schools like auburnel Obama and outside the SEC and 337 00:22:18.519 --> 00:22:21.920 like, and people were just so fascinated. But like, she is going 338 00:22:21.960 --> 00:22:26.000 to do the thing that will make her throw up physically probably, Like it's 339 00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:30.279 really that just to do this. So we ended up raising twenty five thousand 340 00:22:30.279 --> 00:22:33.039 dollars, which again drop in the bucket, you know, but it was 341 00:22:33.079 --> 00:22:37.160 more and then the band had ever raised. And the point wasn't to raise 342 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:40.440 the five million. The point was to get that story out there to people 343 00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:45.200 that you know, I was tweeting out pictures of like George's field and Alabama's 344 00:22:45.240 --> 00:22:48.640 field and saying, how is this okay to let a university that spends so 345 00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:52.400 much money on all this other stuff? And you know, this is a 346 00:22:52.400 --> 00:22:55.839 classroom, A marching field is a classroom, and this is it's not cool. 347 00:22:56.480 --> 00:23:00.720 So yeah, so he did that, and I held up my end 348 00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:03.960 of the bargain, and my friend I'm as State friend who helped me. 349 00:23:03.319 --> 00:23:08.000 He made an itinerary for the whole day the cowbell thing for them is really 350 00:23:08.039 --> 00:23:11.279 important. So you I was going to buy one. No, you don't 351 00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:15.119 buy your first cowbell. You have to be given the cowbell. And I'm 352 00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:17.759 like, oh, no, one's gonna give me one. And this amazing 353 00:23:17.799 --> 00:23:21.279 thing. I have to shout him out. It's a man called his company's 354 00:23:21.279 --> 00:23:26.759 called the bell Smith and it makes these beautiful custom cowbells. And so you 355 00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:29.519 know, the day of like I'm tailgating with state fans and everything, wearing 356 00:23:29.599 --> 00:23:33.359 my maroon and white. It was terrible, and he hands it to me 357 00:23:33.799 --> 00:23:37.400 and I see the AFC Richmond logo on it, like shut up, and 358 00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:42.000 then on the back I have it like at my office, so I can't. 359 00:23:42.039 --> 00:23:45.279 I think the back says like be curious, not judgmental. But it 360 00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:49.400 was just so kind and such a treat, and I'm like this is it 361 00:23:49.480 --> 00:23:52.079 was awesome. I had the best day. We won, which was very 362 00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:56.279 cool. I think I lost, it would have been worse, but you 363 00:23:56.319 --> 00:24:00.359 know the cool thing about that though, And again this kind of goes back 364 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:03.240 to what I just said about people at the university. Not really, I'm 365 00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:07.359 not their favorite gal. The university finally broke down and went it said okay, 366 00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:11.880 just if she'll just stop you know, like here's the money, like 367 00:24:11.920 --> 00:24:15.920 they reserved the funding and they never said me specifically, but it was just 368 00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:19.480 it was very much conveyed, at least as far as my sources say, 369 00:24:19.759 --> 00:24:22.720 like because I had written a story about it, it was like this is 370 00:24:22.759 --> 00:24:26.359 embarrassing, like Okay, here's your money, you can have the field. 371 00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:30.960 So they are almost done with the field. It's beautiful and this I'm actually 372 00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:33.160 going down in a month to see it, and it's just incredible. It's 373 00:24:33.160 --> 00:24:38.559 something I never thought would happen. And you know, getting helping in any 374 00:24:38.559 --> 00:24:41.279 way to get that done because I certainly wasn't able to donate a lot of 375 00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:45.160 money. It means a lot to me because that program gave me a lot 376 00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:48.279 and so you know, I'm never doing that again. I've never trust you 377 00:24:48.319 --> 00:24:52.440 as articulars again, but it was worth it for something like this. Do 378 00:24:52.480 --> 00:24:57.839 you anticipate being presented with a Nobel Peace Prize for your acts of diplomacy when 379 00:24:57.839 --> 00:25:02.960 the project is finished? No, you know, And that's the other thing 380 00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:07.559 I there's I have to be careful how I see this the spin And when 381 00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:11.119 I say the university, I do not mean the band directors because I've wonderful 382 00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:15.480 relationships with them, but it's been spun that this was going to already happen 383 00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:19.200 for years, and this was just kind of you know, and fine, 384 00:25:19.400 --> 00:25:22.759 I don't want, you know, I do want the people who donated that 385 00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:26.440 day to be recognized in some way, because it's very cool to have people 386 00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:30.960 from other schools say, hey, we support you too. But no, 387 00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:34.039 I don't think I'm going to be like invited to a ribbon cutting or anything. 388 00:25:34.160 --> 00:25:37.759 But it's cool because I, you know, the band director and I 389 00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:41.759 are good friends, and so I just can't wait to see it. It'll 390 00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:48.519 be great. Well, since we're already on the topic of music, and 391 00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:52.079 you are a known fan of lots of things on the internet, I'm just 392 00:25:52.119 --> 00:25:56.599 wondering. We geek out about the music use on the show all the time, 393 00:25:56.720 --> 00:26:00.119 especially in our episode conversations where we sometimes pick specific songs or moments. 394 00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:04.400 Do you have like a favorite song or artist that's shown up in the ted 395 00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:08.599 Lasso soundtrack, or like, did you think that a song was particularly well 396 00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:12.359 placed in a scene? Yeah, so, I you know, I totally 397 00:26:12.400 --> 00:26:18.640 agree. I think they're so amazing and beautifully intentional with how they use music 398 00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:22.440 in the show and I have, like, honestly, like a list of 399 00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:26.799 like twenty moments where I could probably write individual essays on them, like this 400 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:29.240 is why it you know, but have you interpret it? This is why 401 00:26:29.240 --> 00:26:33.720 it matters. I think I'm so partial though to season one. I think 402 00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:36.720 just because that was the music had so much to do with why it hit 403 00:26:36.759 --> 00:26:38.759 me. And I think, you know, when he and Michelle are saying 404 00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:42.559 goodbye in the rain and Forever is playing, that gets me every time. 405 00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:47.599 I will never walk again, right, I mean, just like you can 406 00:26:47.680 --> 00:26:52.160 hear Marcus Mum's voice. And I think you know, we did a on 407 00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:56.599 the Big Screen Sports podcast that I am the guest on whenever we do ted 408 00:26:56.680 --> 00:27:00.720 last episodes. We did a Ted Lasso draft and I took my first pick 409 00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:06.480 was the season one finale, largely because of how they use You'll Never Walk 410 00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:08.759 alone. You know, I just thought that was beautiful too, But I 411 00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:12.519 you know, I think it's just it's all so good. And something I 412 00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:17.799 say I've said before on different podcasts that I want everyone to do is, 413 00:27:18.200 --> 00:27:23.359 you know, the the use of celesque strange in the Liverpool episode. I 414 00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:26.319 don't know if you're Saint Paul and the Broken Bones fans. Yes, I 415 00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:30.279 love Saint Paul and the Broken Bones. Okay, so Paul, the lead 416 00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:33.200 singer during COVID. He he has a video on YouTube where he did a 417 00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:37.400 cover of Strange and he talks about like he said, I'm watching ted Lasso 418 00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:40.839 and it's this great show that just kind of makes you feel warm inside. 419 00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:45.039 It's his version, Like I wish he had recorded it, because they should 420 00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:48.000 put it on the show. It's absolutely gorgeous. So please google that and 421 00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:53.039 listen to it a lot. But yeah, you know, I just think 422 00:27:53.079 --> 00:27:56.319 like they're really smart about it. I know there was a bit of commotion 423 00:27:56.359 --> 00:28:03.400 about how Apple released the entire season three soundtrack or the playlist rather on everyone 424 00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:06.960 than they went back and like changed it, and now people are reading into 425 00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:11.079 what a lot of those songs might mean. So yeah, you know, 426 00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:15.119 I just don't think there's a single thing wasted on this show, and definitely 427 00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:17.599 never a moment where it's like we've got to put something there. I guess 428 00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:21.519 we'll just go with this song. It's just another layer. I think that 429 00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:25.920 makes the show really good. Yeah, when we've talked to actors or other 430 00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:30.599 sort of creative or technical team members from the show, They've often commented on 431 00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:33.359 how there will be there will be multiple choices, but it will be like 432 00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:36.960 a song like this or one of these like four or five songs will be 433 00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:38.680 here, and so I think there's sort of like a power ranking of like 434 00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:42.640 this is what we want if not, like here's several other suggestions. So 435 00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:45.720 it's never just like it will be something like hey, Jude, you know, 436 00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:51.119 like there's like we specifically want this, and I you know, we've 437 00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:53.400 talked about that on a handful of episodes of like how difficult it can be 438 00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:57.599 to secure those placements, to get rights to actually use a song in your 439 00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:00.720 show, which seems wild to me as an outsider, because I'm like you, 440 00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:03.519 if your song is getting used in a hit show like that can only 441 00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:07.200 be a good thing. But made by the company that has dump trucks full 442 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:11.079 of gold. I guess that's the thing that Apple money man. Yeah, 443 00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:15.160 I guess I do get their reticence. That's like, you know, especially 444 00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:17.759 with the Disney story that we've talked about, where at first for Frozen, 445 00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:18.759 they were like, yeah, we don't think you can use let it go, 446 00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:22.559 like never mind, but then they went and like shot the scene and 447 00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:25.200 pitched it back to Disney and they were like, okay, yeah, that's 448 00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:29.799 great. And I just like recently saw that the composers of the music for 449 00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:33.720 Frozen had like shortly after that episode aired back in twenty twenty, they like 450 00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:36.079 tweeted at Hannah and they were like, this is so beautiful, like you 451 00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:38.319 did it justice, like which is another nice, like great moment and just 452 00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:42.240 speaks to like the tenacity of the music team. I mean, they're obviously 453 00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:47.119 Christa Miller works on all of Bill Lawrence's shows as his wife as the music 454 00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:52.359 director too, but Antony Purview's work is just really amazing and as someone who 455 00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:56.319 loves music and studied music, like that's just something that drew me to the 456 00:29:56.319 --> 00:29:59.880 show instantly. Is like Okay, yeah, this like they're very intentional about 457 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:03.519 what's happening here, Like there's a lot of subtext here to really like sink 458 00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:07.279 your teeth into. And that's just a wonderful, like a wonderful thing, 459 00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:11.279 absolutely, And I you know two things on that. I think you know 460 00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:15.519 the story we've all heard about how Jason had called Marcus and he didn't he 461 00:30:15.519 --> 00:30:18.160 just didn't listen to the voicemail forever, and like I can't even imagine the 462 00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:22.440 show without Marcus's influence. And like, you know, I'm a big mum 463 00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:26.079 for and SNCE fan, and I remember, like back in I Forget when 464 00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:30.319 that Hopeless Wanderer came out and the video with Jason Sadeki is in Baven And 465 00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:37.279 so I love that there's that personal part of it because Jason's obviously friends with 466 00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:40.960 him and connected with his music. And I think that's great And the only 467 00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:44.119 other thing it's going to say, going back to what shows go through to 468 00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:48.240 secure rights, one of my favorite little like I love the Office, one 469 00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:52.640 of my favorite Office facts is the most money they ever spent on a song 470 00:30:52.880 --> 00:31:00.279 was that scene. I believe it's the episode when they're finding out if Dunderman's 471 00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:04.319 gonna go bankrupt or something, and yeah, Steve Carrel's in his office, 472 00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:08.880 Michael's in his office and Sean Mullin's lullaby comes on and the other opened the 473 00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:12.200 doors like he amything, and like, you know, it's just it's such 474 00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:15.680 a funny scene, but it's kind of a throwaway. And I think they 475 00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:18.839 spent something like forty thousand dollars just for that three seconds of that song because 476 00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:22.200 they're like this is the song, this is the joke, We're It's worth 477 00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:26.200 it, this is what We're gonna be for just that's one of my favorite 478 00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:30.960 little trivia facts about the Office. So yeah, I agree with you one 479 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:34.680 hundred percent. Like the show felt like it needed Marcus Mumford, like in 480 00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:37.160 the DNA. Now that we've seen it this way, it's hard to imagine 481 00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:41.200 it any other way, and especially like you see his influence and things like 482 00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:45.079 you mentioned with his version of You'll Never Walk Alone, which I think was 483 00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:48.079 a brilliant choice by everyone involved to slot that in, to create a new 484 00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:52.000 version to sort of fit this moment at the end of season one. Right, 485 00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:56.839 We've talked about it on our pod. Many people know that comes from 486 00:31:56.880 --> 00:32:01.799 the American Golden Age musical Carousel, Um, and it speaks to a larger 487 00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:07.240 love I think of musical theater among the characters and the creators of this show. 488 00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:09.559 So I'm wondering, do you have any favorite musical theater references that have 489 00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:14.640 been made so far across the three seasons. Um, I'm trying to I 490 00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:17.440 don't know if I have a specific reference, though I did. I have 491 00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:24.559 to say I loved the Julie Andrews that I thought it was just oh, 492 00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:28.279 I know, it was just so brilliant. I think, um know, 493 00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:31.440 another reason I was pumped about the show in general was because of Hannah Waddingham. 494 00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:36.279 Yeah, and obviously like for musical theater nerds, like she's just you 495 00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:39.119 know, she's a Lady of the Lake and she is just like such a 496 00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:45.319 big star. And I love I just I love anything that incorporates kind of 497 00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:49.880 a quirky subgroup of society as if it's just commonplace, because you know, 498 00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:52.799 theater and music kids would get this rep for being theater and music kids and 499 00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:54.599 like, right, oh, you're in drama in high schooling. Yeah, 500 00:32:54.640 --> 00:33:00.200 I was, actually, But it's like I love how like seamlessly the kind 501 00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:01.960 of weave a lot of that stuff in is that everybody in society knows that 502 00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:06.920 this is fine. I can't think of like a reverence on the top of 503 00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:08.839 my head. I do think it's interesting that, you know, I just 504 00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:14.799 talked about the season three playlist that was released and Party is kind of hoping 505 00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:19.119 it's a fake out, but the last few songs from it came from Lakajo 506 00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:22.319 Fault. Yeah, and like, yes, very excited to find out what 507 00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:27.920 that is all about Yeah. I have tried very hard not to speculate, 508 00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:30.559 but yeah, it's on them for putting out the whole soundtrack. They did 509 00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:32.759 it, wouldn't it be. I just like, I really hope it's a 510 00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:37.039 trick though. I hope they start, they keep releasing and then it's just 511 00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:40.000 all something different. They are kind of doing the Kanye thing of like I'm 512 00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:43.839 just like switching this up in real time, Like I'm just I know, 513 00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:45.240 just changing it. I was like, I went back on there the other 514 00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:49.440 day and I was like, there's like six songs here that we're not here 515 00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:52.720 a couple of weeks ago. I know. So from now I'm going to 516 00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:57.440 refer to the soundtrack as Life of Lasso. Yeah, I love it. 517 00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:00.519 Before we leave Musical Theater, I did just see on your Twitter we mentioned 518 00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:04.839 how fun you are as a follow on social media, and you recently had 519 00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:07.880 the opportunity to travel to New York and see a show on Broadway. Do 520 00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:10.239 you want to tell us a little bit about why you decided to take a 521 00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:16.719 last minute trip to see Mulin Rouge in New York. So I love Aaron 522 00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:22.880 Debate more than air. I think he is just delicious and I've followed him 523 00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:28.960 for years and years and years. It was back during the dark COVID times. 524 00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:31.639 He was on Broadway for this, and you know, you just kind 525 00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:34.840 of make a plan in your head, like, Okay, well he's gonna 526 00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:37.719 be there for a while, I'll go see him whenever. And I had 527 00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:42.880 made plans with my friend to go in the fall of twenty twenty one, 528 00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:46.559 yes, and they fell through, and like, I had just started a 529 00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:51.519 new job, so I really didn't feel comfortable like just taking off for something. 530 00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:53.000 So I was like, it's okay, he'll be there a while, 531 00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:59.119 and then he left that I was devastated. We missed it, We missed 532 00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:01.559 our shot. And then of course last year he came back and announced another 533 00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:06.719 limited run this year, but the same thing happened where it's like, okay, 534 00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:07.360 I'll make it a point to go, I'll make it a point to 535 00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:10.039 go, and then you get caught up with life and it just doesn't happen. 536 00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:15.400 And so my Sun's spring break was last week and he was spending it 537 00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:20.800 with his dad and his family in New Jersey, and I just that same 538 00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:22.960 friend that I was going to go with two years ago. I was like, 539 00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:27.960 Okay, here's the deal. I can only see this show like Sunday 540 00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:30.519 at five pm. That's it. That's our shot. And this is like 541 00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:32.199 three days before. You know, I don't want to go, That's fine, 542 00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:36.199 I'm gonna go and get a hotel. So it's a very last minute 543 00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:40.079 and we got really great seats. And you know, the last thing I 544 00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:44.280 had seen on Broadway was like right before COVID it was Tom Hilston, another 545 00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:49.079 love of mine in Betrayal and so and I used to like go to show 546 00:35:49.159 --> 00:35:51.199 us all the times. This is just kind of a big deal for me 547 00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:54.559 anyway, and we went. It was just an incredible show for so many 548 00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:59.639 reasons, and his last show with them it was actually this past Sunday, 549 00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:02.320 So yeah, it was great to kind of see that. And just there's 550 00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:07.079 nothing more energizing for me than live music or musical theater or something. It 551 00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:12.719 just recenters me and it again reminds me of like being that performer and being 552 00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:19.559 that music kid. And there's something so light and free about being in the 553 00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:22.559 presence of really talented people and seeing what they can put together. So yeah, 554 00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:27.679 that was such a treat, no regrets. Yeah, and it's nice 555 00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:31.519 that we get to see Aaron debates talent on Display Weekly at the moment on 556 00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:36.760 Shamika Dune season two, also known as Schmicaco. So, I mean, 557 00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:43.719 he's just doing incredibly excellent work as the character tofur in this season, I 558 00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:46.400 know, and you know that show oddly enough, even though like I'm pretty 559 00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:51.880 trusting in most of what Apple TV does because I haven't seen a show yet 560 00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:53.519 that's been like, O, well, you know, like everything they've done 561 00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:58.239 this incredible. I did not know how they were going to pull that show 562 00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:00.360 off in the beginning. I'm like, ah, is it going to work? 563 00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:02.000 Is it going to be? I don't know, And they did, 564 00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:05.639 of course in that first season was great, but I was like, well, 565 00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:07.719 it's got to end here, right they can't. How are they going 566 00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:09.840 to do this? Yeah, that doesn't even make sense. And again it's 567 00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:12.760 kind of like I am with Ted Lasso, where I'm like, how are 568 00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:15.519 they going to do this? And then they always pull it off so beautifully, 569 00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:17.599 and yeah, I shouldn't get Dunes one of those that I'm like, 570 00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:22.280 this is just such a such a wonderful treat that we have, but it's 571 00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:27.480 not for everyone. Night and that speaking of wonderful treats that may not necessarily 572 00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:31.559 be for everyone. You're a big fan of this video game called Animal Crossing 573 00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:37.519 that I don't personally understand a whole lot about. However, very much in 574 00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:43.159 awe of the fact that you made a ted a Lasso Island in the midst 575 00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:49.000 of this game. Podcasts are not very good for giving people like tours, 576 00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:52.159 but could you please give us a little tour of ted Lasso Island and maybe 577 00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:58.880 explain to me what Animal Crossing is. Animal Crossing was truly just one of 578 00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:01.480 those things that came out right when COVID hit and my son suddenly at home. 579 00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:04.639 I was at home, I had lost my job, and he was 580 00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:09.679 like he was gosh six at the time, seven six six wow, And 581 00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:13.039 we had a switch and I was like, oh, a little kid's game 582 00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:15.599 because I never got into the old Animal Crossing and my sister was into that 583 00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:19.079 because a little you know, I just I didn't play a lot of video 584 00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:21.599 games as a teenager. I played them more as a kid with like my 585 00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:25.159 Super Nintendo. So I got the game for him and then I'm watching him 586 00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:30.440 play it and it's just this lovely like you're just on an island and you're 587 00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:36.760 like working to renovate everything, and you're doing these little quests where you're trying 588 00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:40.679 to earn enough money to like build the town store and you know, get 589 00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:45.920 your house upgraded and buy furnishings and you can build things. You can change 590 00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:51.199 your island. But it's not it's not like my set also plays Minecraft and 591 00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:54.039 I played with them. Sometimes it's just my brain that's way too overwhelming for 592 00:38:54.119 --> 00:39:00.199 me because there's too many possibilities. But Animal Crossing is controlled and enough, 593 00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:04.320 I feel like and cute enough that you don't get overwhelmed by all this stuff 594 00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:07.760 you could do. So yeah, so you can have a little house, 595 00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:13.119 you can. What's amazing about this game is just the thousands of things you 596 00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:19.159 can buy, whether it's furniture or like anything you would put in your home, 597 00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:22.199 or like structures you can buy like market stalls that you can do whatever, 598 00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:24.960 and they let you customize it. So a lot of the items you 599 00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:30.199 can customize with either designs that you make in the game, or there's a 600 00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:36.000 way that you can transfer logos or really anything to the game to make it 601 00:39:36.039 --> 00:39:39.519 look like anything you want. We had to take a mandatory one week furlough 602 00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:45.400 at Christmas, and I'm not good at not working like I have to be 603 00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:47.199 working all the time, and suddenly I'm not even allowed to check my email, 604 00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:50.719 and I was stir crazy, and we hadn't played in a long time, 605 00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:53.800 so I restarted Our Island. And it takes a lot of work to 606 00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:57.440 get to the point where you can even customize this stuff. And I'm like, 607 00:39:57.760 --> 00:39:59.719 I'm going to make it ten last. So I went, so, 608 00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:02.559 what the what it actually is like my house. When you walk in my 609 00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:07.360 house, my living room is the locker room. I have that set up 610 00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:13.639 with like the Beliefs sign on the wall, and I use like a flat 611 00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:17.880 screen TV to be the window looking into Ted's office. Then you go upstairs 612 00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:22.760 and there's Rebecca's office and like, of course you can't ever get anything exactly 613 00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:24.920 right, but it's kind of the same layout of like her desk and the 614 00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:30.960 art on the walls and the couch and I they have one of the objects 615 00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:32.599 in the game is like a little takeout box, and so I was able 616 00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:36.760 to make that pink to look like her little biscuit box. And you know, 617 00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:40.719 it's huge. If you go to the basement, that is where they 618 00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:46.079 have press conferences, So it's set up with like the chairs and the desk 619 00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:50.719 and like the I have the fizzy water on the desk and the things in 620 00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:53.480 the back. It's just so silly. But when I get caught on a 621 00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:58.800 project, I'm like, let's make this as accurate as possible. And then 622 00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:00.760 the rest of the island I had set up just kind of like a little 623 00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:06.840 English town, so I've got like, you know, I used castle walls 624 00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:09.119 to kind of make everything a little more elegant, or tried to anyway, 625 00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:15.320 and like these cobblestone walkways and everything else. So I never fully finished it. 626 00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:20.960 And here's the terrible thing that I so regret that I posted photos of 627 00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:25.360 that island like three days before I interviewed them, but I had deleted it 628 00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:29.320 because we wanted to start over again. And I was like, I'm okay, 629 00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:30.960 you know, the game is just like you played as long as you 630 00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:34.360 want and then you can erase it all and start over. And I kind 631 00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:37.039 of like doing that. It was all gone, but I shared photos of 632 00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:39.760 it online. Suddenly people are like, can I take a tour? Can 633 00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:43.159 I see it? Can you make a dream address for me? Because you 634 00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:46.280 can, you can make a little code where anybody can like they don't visit, 635 00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:50.480 so it's not a live visit to you, but anyone. They essentially 636 00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:52.599 make like a copy of your island where people can run around. And I 637 00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:58.519 had just I had deleted all of it. So I recently started rebuilding it 638 00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:02.280 again, which is just a lot to work. But you know, I 639 00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:07.880 now I want to like add KJPR And I also I did have the pub, 640 00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:12.639 so I had the little pub and try to design that the best way 641 00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:15.320 I could. But the cool thing about it, you know, I was 642 00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:21.480 able to import the Richmond logos and the Belief sign and everything else, and 643 00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:25.760 you can just it's so easy to make things customize and cute and I don't 644 00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:29.039 know, it's just the cutest game. It's a cozy game, is what 645 00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:32.440 I call it. Have you added Zavaville to the corner of the locker room? 646 00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:37.000 That's what I'm working on right now. Actually, so I was playing. 647 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:37.840 I had a few minutes the other day and I was like, okay, 648 00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:40.559 this is We're going to read you the corner and and I've got the 649 00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:45.679 little like numbers above all the lockers. So I've got to go back and 650 00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:51.000 make the the Zava thing. Yeah, So it's just you know, it's 651 00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:53.599 fun, but it's silly, and I tweeted photos of it. Like I 652 00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:57.519 said, like, the three days before I did those interviews, well, 653 00:42:57.519 --> 00:43:00.039 I didn't even know I had those interviews yet, is the thing. I 654 00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:01.960 know, if I was going to actually get them, ide the photos with 655 00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:06.400 something like, oh, like you've never made your animal crossing island, knew 656 00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:08.280 a ted Lasso island. And I tagged a few of the cast members, 657 00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:10.679 which is just something I do anyway, not so much because I think they're 658 00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:14.519 going to respond, but back in the day when you could depend on the 659 00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:16.960 algorithm, you know, if you tagged people that other people followed, you 660 00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:20.480 might see the tweets suggest in the feed. So I was trying to reach 661 00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:24.159 ted Lasso fans and then I just put Twitter away and didn't come back to 662 00:43:24.199 --> 00:43:28.039 it for the night, and I got an email then I was like, 663 00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:30.559 hey, we approved these interviews for next week. And I'm like, oh 664 00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:32.800 my gosh, that's wild. And then I get so I had Jason that 665 00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:36.719 Monday, and I get to the Jason thing, and like I said, 666 00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:38.480 before I made, you know, I felt like such a dork revealing my 667 00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:43.239 heart and soul to him. And after he said He's like, I don't 668 00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:45.159 care if it's unprofessional. I think, you know, human connection is great 669 00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:49.960 or whatever he said that was so super inspiring. Then he says, by 670 00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:52.320 the way, my kids really appreciate your Animal Crossing Island and they want to 671 00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:55.800 know they want to know how to do all that. And I actually made 672 00:43:55.800 --> 00:44:01.239 a TikTok about this moment because I was just nervous and you know, running 673 00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:07.280 on autopilot, and I say something like, I'll show them. I'll show 674 00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:12.920 your kids since we have such a close personal relationship. And so that was 675 00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:15.079 the coolest because it's like, oh my god, he saw it. But 676 00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:19.320 then the next day when I interviewed Brendan, they like, you know, 677 00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:22.159 the screen pops up. The way it works these virtual interviews is like you're 678 00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:24.639 in a waiting room with a bunch of other journalists where it's just like a 679 00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:28.280 zoom call or everybody's on it. Then they send you a link to a 680 00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:31.360 breakout room and I click the link and there's Brendan and he's like Animal Crossing 681 00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:37.159 for Life, Like I'm rebuilding it because a lot of fans reached out and 682 00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:38.559 they're like, how do you get the design codes and all this? And 683 00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:42.840 I'm gonna make like a little I'll probably just put a post on the website 684 00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:45.119 about if you want to do it, you know, this is how you 685 00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:47.119 do it. But so mad at myself for deleting it because I just never 686 00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:51.400 I just wasn't thinking like other people would want to do it. It was 687 00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:53.119 more of me saying, look at how much of a dork I am that 688 00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:57.280 I would devote all this time to, you know, making it if you 689 00:44:57.400 --> 00:45:00.079 gotta play it, And I love that Now. Crossing is also part of 690 00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:02.960 the DNA of the show because just in the most recent episode there was the 691 00:45:04.039 --> 00:45:07.639 mention from Isaac of saying that's the only game that they were allowed to play 692 00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:12.599 before bed because it's so soothing it is. And I just it's wild how 693 00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:16.320 Animal Crossing and ted Lasso like really played into my life journey the Fast Years, 694 00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:20.199 because it's, like I said, during COVID, those were the things 695 00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:22.320 that I kind of clung to as just sort of keeping me sane a little 696 00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:25.679 bit, and like that game came at the perfect time. Everybody was obsessed 697 00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:29.440 with it, so playing that a lot, and then ted Lasso comes and 698 00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:35.719 it's just like these little life jackets essentially that everybody had to find peace somehow, 699 00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:38.400 and they had to cope somehow, and there were healthy ways to do 700 00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:42.679 that in unhealthy ways, and I'm sure like my wine consumption probably wasn't the 701 00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:46.239 best buy then, but you know, those to me were healthy things that 702 00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:50.960 you could you could do to get through that time. So I love that 703 00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:54.559 they referenced it. I want to close with a very important topic, and 704 00:45:54.639 --> 00:45:59.519 that is tea. It's not exactly a Midwestern thing. It's very much the 705 00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:05.440 English and I iced tea is very much a Southern thing. So yeah, 706 00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:12.119 that is explained for everybody. How sweet tea is its own wonderful creation. 707 00:46:12.199 --> 00:46:15.800 And whether or not you think Ted would enjoy sweet tea, Oh yeah, 708 00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:19.239 you know, tech you get down with some sweet tea. I have no 709 00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:23.760 doubt in my mind. It's interesting because I moved to northern Virginia last August, 710 00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:28.360 and I know what I was getting into. People would be like, 711 00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:30.920 Virginia is still the South, not this part of Virginia. This is not 712 00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:35.960 nothing southern, and so but I you know, I lived in New York 713 00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:37.840 right out of college, and so like I've moved around. I even though 714 00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:40.199 I grew up in the South, I've certainly spent most of my life here 715 00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:45.480 and I think when I was younger, the funny thing was like going to 716 00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:49.480 a northern state or you know, my mom is from Chicago originally, so 717 00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:52.760 we spent a lot of time visiting our family there. And you would go 718 00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:55.360 to a restaurant and ask for a sweet tea and they're like, we'll bring 719 00:46:55.400 --> 00:47:00.400 sugar to you. It's like, no, because it won't mix again sweet 720 00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:02.800 tea. And so it's it's even funny to hear people say iced tea because 721 00:47:02.840 --> 00:47:06.360 in the South there is no iced tea. You either want sweet or on 722 00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:07.920 sweet. Like, if you want on sweetee, that's how you order it. 723 00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:12.760 I want an unwe like tea. It's just yeah, if you say 724 00:47:12.760 --> 00:47:15.559 tea, you're getting a sweet tea. If you don't want sugar in your 725 00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:20.320 tea, you need to be specific absolutely, and so um, and I 726 00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:22.159 don't you know, I'm I'm one of those I can do a half and 727 00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:24.719 half because I try not to have too much sugar when I was younger. 728 00:47:24.760 --> 00:47:30.880 Record yeah, but so I really am an unsweet tea person. But yeah, 729 00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:35.639 it's just you know, it's different, it's regional stuff. And um, 730 00:47:35.679 --> 00:47:39.840 it's always funny to like live in a place like this and to go 731 00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:45.000 and kind of forget where you are for a second. It's already unsweetened. 732 00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:49.719 You can get iced tea, so um yeah. Ted's aversion to hot tea, 733 00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:52.119 though, just cracks me up. Alex. We are so grateful for 734 00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:55.960 your time today for coming in chopping up some ted with us. This has 735 00:47:57.000 --> 00:48:00.840 been super fun and we hope that everybody will check out your work and your 736 00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:07.159 tweets and your podcast and enjoy ted Lasso and all the things that you love 737 00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:08.679 along with you. Thank you all so much. This is a blast, 738 00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:16.519 and that's our show. We hope you enjoyed our conversation with Alex McDaniel, 739 00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:22.400 who can find links to her work, her social media accounts, and everything 740 00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:24.960 else we mentioned in the show notes. We'll be back soon with more ted 741 00:48:25.039 --> 00:48:29.440 Lasso goodness, but you can keep the conversation going with us on Twitter and 742 00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:34.119 Instagram in the meantime. 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