1 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:08,240 All right, here we are once again in our hotel lobby, and this 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:12,160 time we've got quite a crowd. We've got Dominic Trice here with me. 3 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:17,320 And if you're unfamiliar, I am JD. And this is Audio Theater Central. 4 00:00:17,359 --> 00:00:20,320 What are you doing here? If you don't know what this is? 5 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,600 Also I have Josh Rodriguez again, and Darby Kern, Hey, how are 6 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:29,280 you doing? And Nato Jacobson, Hey, I'm just an innocent advistander. 7 00:00:31,039 --> 00:00:36,880 So let's talk about Saturday, day three of Sonic on twenty twenty three, 8 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:47,159 as the noisy bin rolls by. So the first session was another one of 9 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:51,200 those blocks where there was multiple ones that I would like to have gone to, 10 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:56,039 but Darby one out. So I went to Darby's script writing class, 11 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:02,280 next level script writing, and it was a very and Garby was the only 12 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:07,079 masterclass teacher who brought snacks. Yes, that is the trick, until your 13 00:01:07,079 --> 00:01:11,959 class with snacks missed out, one said fellow. It didn't bring any snags, 14 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:22,079 So Darby give us the fifteen or thirty second to recap. I walked 15 00:01:22,159 --> 00:01:27,519 around and talked a lot, said some things that some people have said were 16 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:34,000 helpful and will propel them forward. In their writing journey. Basically, what 17 00:01:34,079 --> 00:01:40,040 the information I wanted to get out is to help people write better audio drama 18 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:45,879 because I'm selfish and I want to hear better audio drama. So that was 19 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:51,959 a point of that, and also to to debut the first scene of the 20 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:57,480 next Jake Muller Adventures called Blood, which you can talk about how much you 21 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,079 like that or didn't like it or whatever, but I'm really proud of the 22 00:02:01,159 --> 00:02:07,079 job Michael Touchet did putting that together. He is brilliant. All credit to 23 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,599 him on that so well. I mean, I wasn't going to bring it 24 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:14,879 up. I thought, no, I'm just kidding, just kidding. I 25 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:23,080 actually thought it was very intending. We're going there. That is hilarious. 26 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:28,639 I love that you just did that. I forgive you because before the temple 27 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,439 came after it. Oh yeah yeah. And I really enjoyed the class. 28 00:02:32,439 --> 00:02:36,240 And you know, I'm I'm not much of a writer. I've done a 29 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,400 little bit and I would like to do more, usually on the director of 30 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:44,560 producer side of things, and so I found it very helpful and loved hearing 31 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:49,560 that a new piece of the new Jake Mueller. And I think if you're 32 00:02:49,599 --> 00:02:53,360 still amenable we might be sharing that in a future episode of the podcast. 33 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:57,080 Absolutely absolutely, I want you guys to hear it. I want to when 34 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,919 to hear it. Like I said, Michael does such a great job with 35 00:03:00,039 --> 00:03:04,400 that that I want I'll share that with everybody. And that's just a taste 36 00:03:04,439 --> 00:03:07,960 of things to come. Yeah, what what What were the top takeaways from 37 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:15,680 Film's class for you? Dominic just was mastering the scene? What does that? 38 00:03:15,719 --> 00:03:20,639 What does that mean? Actually he was just taking us through more story 39 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:27,360 structure and and how to first how to analyze a I had a very detailed 40 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:35,240 way of analyzing a film or movie were you yes, okay? And and 41 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:39,199 then having us actually practiced it on a small scale. Right, It's the 42 00:03:39,199 --> 00:03:45,080 the exercise that he would have his college students go through. He said it 43 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:49,080 would take three quarters of the semester. I think, very detailed, in 44 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:53,520 depth look at at a film, because he said film was easier to talk 45 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,599 about than audio, drama, than visual and but just gave us the structure 46 00:03:57,919 --> 00:04:03,680 that broke down the movie, the film of the movie, and then each 47 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:12,479 scene into acts and then broke down just in minute detail. Wow, you 48 00:04:12,479 --> 00:04:15,240 know, so you have to say the story structure not just overall arching for 49 00:04:15,279 --> 00:04:20,560 the entire show. But each scene is broken down, and it was just 50 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:25,319 an act of the movie, right, break it into three acts, but 51 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:30,160 two are in the middle. One of them is longer in the middle. 52 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,199 But then he said, then each each of the scenes can be broken down 53 00:04:33,519 --> 00:04:36,199 everything. It was interesting. He took us and he showed us a clip 54 00:04:36,199 --> 00:04:40,600 and he wanted us to see it twice. The first time, enjoy it 55 00:04:41,079 --> 00:04:44,399 and the second time, put your analytical head on, dig into the story 56 00:04:44,399 --> 00:04:47,959 structure. Super helpful, get your enjoyment out, is what he said. 57 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,519 Like, well, I'm still gonna enjoy it the second time, but he 58 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:58,240 gave a lot of like practical structural instruction that you can take away and then 59 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,959 really dig into stories. Yeah, that would really help when you're creating. 60 00:05:01,399 --> 00:05:05,079 Yeah, well that makes total sense too, because from my perspective as a 61 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:11,360 reviewer, I always like to listen through to an audio drama at least twice, 62 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,360 ideally three times, because I do want to just enjoy the story. 63 00:05:15,399 --> 00:05:18,240 I want to get lost in it, and if I don't, then that 64 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:23,160 means it's probably not a very good audio drama. And then the second time 65 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:28,839 I want to start taking notes and and and then if I can a third 66 00:05:28,879 --> 00:05:32,079 time just to pick up all the things that I may have missed that second 67 00:05:32,079 --> 00:05:36,399 time through m Yeah, so that was it. That was It seemed like 68 00:05:36,439 --> 00:05:42,079 a pretty uh packed class. Yeah, it wasn't a lot of fluff, 69 00:05:42,079 --> 00:05:43,920 it was. It was. It was a good one to take notes from 70 00:05:43,959 --> 00:05:46,879 him to revisit later on. Yes, it's really really, really good stuff 71 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,639 from Phil. Of course he knows story so well, that's his whole message. 72 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,439 It's like story story, Where are you at in the story? Story? 73 00:05:55,720 --> 00:06:03,079 Story? You know? So then we had our The next block was 74 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,000 I think this is the only one that had four, isn't it, Or 75 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:10,279 maybe there was at least at least in the last couple of days, there 76 00:06:10,319 --> 00:06:13,040 was four. At the same time, we had John for and Off, 77 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,480 Jered Deepest Squall, Paul McCusker, and Kara O'Brien all on the same block. 78 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,480 Yeah, Austin PG just walked up so he may join in the conversation. 79 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:28,040 So I ended up going back to Jared's class again or not. I 80 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,279 mean, it was a different class, but I wanted to because this one 81 00:06:30,319 --> 00:06:34,319 was specifically about the director composed a relationship, and I felt like that would 82 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:42,079 be the most beneficial for me where I'm at, and so it was it 83 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:46,720 was really good. Yeah. Well, and that was the thing too, 84 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:51,920 is that he would always just he tossed out a question and just he wanted 85 00:06:51,959 --> 00:06:55,759 to get a feel for the room and see what kind of answers he might 86 00:06:55,759 --> 00:06:59,279 get. And most of the time, even I mean I I tried to 87 00:06:59,319 --> 00:07:01,480 participate when I could, they weren't always the answer he was looking for. 88 00:07:02,079 --> 00:07:06,360 But he would then build off of the different points that people were making, 89 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:11,399 and it made the I don't think anybody was dozing off in his class. 90 00:07:11,959 --> 00:07:16,240 Well, and the last thing he did was the most amazing for me because 91 00:07:16,439 --> 00:07:20,360 he had to take a few pages of scripts played the dialogue track, had 92 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:25,399 to mark where we thought the cues should swell, like, the cues should 93 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:29,120 god like, where should the high points of emotion in the cue, where 94 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:33,639 should it drop? What words are important you know? And where should the 95 00:07:33,639 --> 00:07:38,199 fuel change the point of view? And then we went through together, and 96 00:07:38,199 --> 00:07:42,879 and and went through some of that, and then he played the finish scene 97 00:07:43,279 --> 00:07:47,160 with his and and then we while we were looking at Jared and Paul McCusker's 98 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:54,199 marks, and boy, that was incredible, Like I got goosebumps because he 99 00:07:54,319 --> 00:07:58,759 hit every single action point that Paul and and he, you know, touched 100 00:07:58,839 --> 00:08:03,000 on. So he had a couple of scenes and two copies of the script 101 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,800 of that, so one was just blank where we could make our notes, 102 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:09,560 and then the same exact scene again with all of his handwritten notes. And 103 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:16,920 I'm like, I'm gonna be keeping this. Oh yeah, I should have. 104 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:20,560 I had Andy Harvey sign his the little script that we did on the 105 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:26,519 Live ADC podcast. Yes, I should have done that with Nato the last 106 00:08:26,519 --> 00:08:33,399 time. Yeah, you're not You're not any less. You guys, ain't 107 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:43,120 the only thing I gave you. I attended Paul McCusker's class about adapting and 108 00:08:43,159 --> 00:08:48,360 writing biographical audio. Okay, that's exactly what my show is about, you 109 00:08:48,399 --> 00:08:54,200 know, World World War two veterans, and his current shows with Air Theater 110 00:08:54,279 --> 00:08:58,679 are all biographical. Right, it's going back quite a few years, you 111 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:03,960 know, hundreds of years in history. Once again, Paul opened the class 112 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:09,240 and just asking why are you all here? Why are you interested? Because 113 00:09:09,879 --> 00:09:15,000 biographical you know, historical audio drama is not exactly what everybody's interested in doing. 114 00:09:15,039 --> 00:09:16,000 But and so he wanted to kind of dig in and find out, 115 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,240 So that was super cool, like we got the opportunity to share why we 116 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,320 were there. And then he kind of structured I'm sure he had class already 117 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:28,960 structured, he kind of went that direction and just such a like a relaxed 118 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:33,919 atmosphere too, and then he dug into you know, the most current show, 119 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,240 the Joan of Arc show and his process for that, and really was 120 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:45,720 like really explained his own creative process. And he got into once again like 121 00:09:45,759 --> 00:09:50,360 you did earlier and at Sonic kon using the or not using a narrator but 122 00:09:50,519 --> 00:09:56,720 using a story teller character, which which I've always really admired and talked about 123 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:01,960 how to create that. Just a real in depth a look into his entire 124 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:07,720 process and how they create these incredible shows you know, of historical figures, 125 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,919 and you know, research is a big thing. Character was the beginning. 126 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:15,879 You know, we always talk about how story is is everything, but his 127 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:20,240 statement was, when you're researching or creating a show based on a person history, 128 00:10:20,639 --> 00:10:26,080 you absolutely have to know that character. You have to digest everything about 129 00:10:26,399 --> 00:10:30,679 that person, not just them, but the time period they're in and all 130 00:10:30,799 --> 00:10:33,440 the how they would be interacting with everything in their in their lives at that 131 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:37,320 point. So that was really good to be able to hear from start with 132 00:10:37,639 --> 00:10:41,440 the person that you're actually gonna be writing about. Yeah, it's good stuff. 133 00:10:41,759 --> 00:10:46,480 Anybody else go to any other of the sessions from that block that was 134 00:10:46,519 --> 00:10:54,200 a delinquent student. I mean they looked both interesting. Our story to Change 135 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:58,679 your Change the World, the part of your story to Change the World with 136 00:10:58,759 --> 00:11:03,399 John Pornoff, and then Carol O'Brien the Business of voice over acting. I 137 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,600 talked to her about that. She said she had a really good class and 138 00:11:05,919 --> 00:11:09,360 just going over kind of giving people what the hard truth. You know, 139 00:11:09,399 --> 00:11:11,919 this is going to take work. It's not easy. You're not going to 140 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,559 just go buy a USB microphone and suddenly be making a ton of money. 141 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:22,480 And and so she kind of attest to that. I was probably I can't 142 00:11:22,759 --> 00:11:24,840 already talked about your class, Like you were very upfront with the writers, 143 00:11:24,879 --> 00:11:28,200 like you're not going to make money money from this right away, you may 144 00:11:28,279 --> 00:11:35,600 not make much money. Ever, So having those having those hard troops right 145 00:11:35,639 --> 00:11:39,799 away, yeah, it takes away. It takes away the disappoint that you 146 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,840 may have later if you don't know that going into it. That's a good 147 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:50,440 point. Yeah, my daughter went to John Thorno's class, and she she 148 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,679 said it was very good. She said she learned a lot from it. 149 00:11:52,879 --> 00:11:58,679 So no surprise. John. Yeah is a writer too, isn't she. 150 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,799 She is. She's writing the second draft of her second novel right now. 151 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:07,080 Wowesome, she's motivated, she's serious, and she is good too. She's 152 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:13,600 eighteen. She's writing better than I did at thirty. So that's awesome. 153 00:12:13,799 --> 00:12:18,480 That's good, that's amazing. Well about the next block, I I was 154 00:12:18,519 --> 00:12:26,720 a delinquent student this time. I took a break and just went and sat 155 00:12:26,759 --> 00:12:31,799 in the green room for this block because I just was pretty tired at that 156 00:12:31,879 --> 00:12:35,320 point. But I would have loved to have hit it. I wanted to 157 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,480 go see Cindy's class, but just went to that one. Okay, how 158 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:43,279 was that? I loved it? So I knew about river Cross before then. 159 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,759 I listened to holding esther and Ja butter Bridge, and I heard the 160 00:12:46,799 --> 00:12:50,919 interview JD. You interviewed her the first one the con I face, Yes, 161 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:56,720 and Cindy is such a great personality reality. She really gets to engage 162 00:12:56,759 --> 00:13:01,399 with what they're talking about and learning more about how what they do, what 163 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:07,120 they do make you feel for these kids and what they're going through and then 164 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,000 also too making it really interactive to like she us like the whiteboard, how 165 00:13:11,039 --> 00:13:15,440 how many of the teachers use their whiteboards or not, but she really used 166 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:20,000 it and like got us asking us questions like things like causes that we're really 167 00:13:20,039 --> 00:13:24,039 interested in or passionate about, or you know, our experiences and things like 168 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:28,720 that, and just breaking these things down and also like what they're doing with 169 00:13:28,759 --> 00:13:33,480 the aud dramas. And she played another clip from a Bridge of Freedom that 170 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,919 wasn't played for the first episode, but it was almost like a their mission 171 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:43,200 statement almost in that clip about the bridge of the water trying to keep kids 172 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,639 from being sucked into that river and that being pulled away in that bridge so 173 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:54,679 that cycle can can be ended of that down the spiral, and how did 174 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:58,639 she apply that to the students and how they can do the same well, 175 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:03,000 also just kind of bringing out how, you know, find what you're passionate 176 00:14:03,039 --> 00:14:11,039 about and doing your best to you know, follow God and help help those 177 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,759 people in those situations, and also how to how to pray for them, 178 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,440 how to get involved and help them out. And they actually had a lot 179 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,519 of a lot of gifts there, like they had like mugs, and some 180 00:14:20,679 --> 00:14:24,919 merchants and cards with some stuff on it, and actually some I think it 181 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,919 was authentic stuff like from Africa, like kind of like Moroccas or like some 182 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,320 other like bags and things like that, like you no, not a nation 183 00:14:33,399 --> 00:14:35,360 or anything. You just picking what everyone's more of. That kind of suff 184 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,960 was more like something to keep with you to remember to pray for those children 185 00:14:41,039 --> 00:14:45,320 and organization or something like that. And yeah, she was. She was 186 00:14:45,399 --> 00:14:48,799 really really wonderful. I note there are people talk to her even afterwards that 187 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:54,960 even during the talk, people I felt or really engaged in and really enjoyed 188 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:56,879 it and really wanted to talk to her and share with her their stories. 189 00:14:58,279 --> 00:15:01,440 That's awesome. Yeah, I love what they're doing, and I mean to 190 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:05,360 a certain extent, what you're going to be doing, Josh with retold you 191 00:15:05,759 --> 00:15:07,120 have a mission with what you're doing there. It's not the same kind of 192 00:15:07,159 --> 00:15:11,960 thing. It's very different, but it is there is a goal with that 193 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,720 project. Well, it's pretty bringing up. I wasn't gonna mention it, 194 00:15:15,799 --> 00:15:20,159 but I had about a thirty minute conversation with Cindy in the exhibit hall because 195 00:15:20,399 --> 00:15:26,960 step four or five of our mission is to actually use these audio dramas to 196 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:33,320 help veterans that are affected by PTSD to insert help them out with you know, 197 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:37,559 therapy or whatever it is. And using the model that Cindy's been using, 198 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:43,480 we're gonna connect with her and find out how we can take what she's 199 00:15:43,679 --> 00:15:46,480 established and then, like I said, this is a little bit down the 200 00:15:46,519 --> 00:15:50,480 road, but then use the shows in very much the same way to help 201 00:15:50,559 --> 00:15:54,039 veterans that are struggling with issues. So that's very it matches up with our 202 00:15:54,039 --> 00:15:58,480 mission, I really will. I think it's also worth mentioning that that Bostin 203 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,679 is involved with a prob called Heart Matters, which is to me, doing 204 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,399 something very similar. Yes, she actually she actually gave that a shout out. 205 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,960 She definitely did not need to do that. But I talked to her 206 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:15,440 before the listening lounge on Friday, I think it was, and told her 207 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,039 like house when the inspiration for what we're doing now came from River Cross, 208 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:22,840 and she was so excited about that. I think she's I think she's gonna 209 00:16:22,039 --> 00:16:25,879 call you out to in your project, Josh, but you weren't there for 210 00:16:25,879 --> 00:16:34,840 some reason. I wasn't a wall though some of us. Yes, delicious 211 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:45,919 Barbie mission, Barb Well you were on a mission too well, and and 212 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:52,000 will definitely we'll definitely be talking up more about what Austin's involved in in UH 213 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:56,159 in a future episode because it is very important stuff. So yes, and 214 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:02,879 then and then that brings us to the next sessions were a couple of roundtables 215 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:10,440 and I moderated one with Gered Dipa Squall and David Shin and we knew we 216 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,759 were gonna have a lower attendance just because the other one was happening in the 217 00:17:12,759 --> 00:17:18,680 Tower Theater and it was most of the Odyssey people were involved in that one. 218 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:26,160 Ye, Paul John philed and then Suzizo was another one of the producers 219 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:30,680 on that panel, And so I was not in there at all for that 220 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,640 one because we were doing the other one. And we actually had a pretty 221 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:41,319 decent turnout considering and because we had such a few number, I think there 222 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:45,400 may have been like or ten or twelve people in there. We just got 223 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:51,000 to just talk directly with them. It's in a smaller venues in the black 224 00:17:51,039 --> 00:17:55,519 Box theater, and so they were all just like in the first row or 225 00:17:55,519 --> 00:17:57,960 two, and you know, we just we had more of a back and 226 00:17:59,039 --> 00:18:03,279 forth directly with them. They could ask follow up questions, and it seemed 227 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:07,359 like it was pretty helpful. Several of them came up to us afterwards and 228 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,759 we're asking more questions, and so I think it went pretty well. It's 229 00:18:11,839 --> 00:18:15,799 kind of the same way with the other one they just did. They invited 230 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,599 us all to come up close and really to questions. So there was a 231 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,079 little bit more than I think for your class, But I don't think there's 232 00:18:22,079 --> 00:18:23,480 a whole lot. I think some people probably still getting a lunch around that 233 00:18:23,519 --> 00:18:27,000 top. Yeah, Oh, lots of people are hungry. Barbecue place is 234 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:33,799 pretty popular. I love this. I've heard colon questers about vermon Andy Serkis 235 00:18:33,799 --> 00:18:36,680 for screwtap players in the past, but I think the one part I don't 236 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,519 think I've ever heard before or it's been a while about how aften like he 237 00:18:38,599 --> 00:18:41,480 said, like, you know, uh, it's like, don't do anything 238 00:18:41,519 --> 00:18:45,359 like this again. I feel like this kind of recording. Yeah, yeah, 239 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,680 you think it's like was it a picture or a script or something like 240 00:18:48,759 --> 00:18:52,480 that said, He's a little like sure, and he's like, Paul never 241 00:18:52,559 --> 00:18:56,240 asked me to play a role like this. It was the hardest role he's 242 00:18:56,319 --> 00:19:00,680 ever done. Well yeah, yeah, harder than calling around on all four 243 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:07,000 years. And then Paul's wife, Elizabeth, she get some comic cons and 244 00:19:07,039 --> 00:19:08,359 she saw Andy there. She told, Hey, yeah, like, my 245 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:15,759 husband's uh pulm cusker and I'm blanking. What did he say? Thanks for 246 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:23,440 reminding me? Wow, that's funny the stories that come out. You get 247 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:30,680 people like John and Phil and Yeah and Paul together. Yeah really well, 248 00:19:30,799 --> 00:19:34,000 yeah, those guys are so great. I could listen to them talk about 249 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:38,559 the moisture level and leaves that are falling from the would be awesome. Yeah, 250 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,319 they need to do a podcast. We got to get them do the 251 00:19:41,319 --> 00:19:48,000 podcast together. Boy, that'd be I'd listen talked about Phil's talked about doing 252 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,039 a podcast for like for teaching kind of stuff. So I mean, yeah, 253 00:19:52,079 --> 00:19:55,240 well, I mean John and and Phil have done a couple of episodes 254 00:19:55,279 --> 00:19:57,039 of story Chat. Has he had Paul on there. I don't think he 255 00:19:57,079 --> 00:20:00,480 has yet, not yet. That would be. That would be cool to 256 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,039 have to hear them talk about some of the stuff that they worked on together, 257 00:20:04,079 --> 00:20:10,440 because I know that Paul really helped John when you first started writing for 258 00:20:10,519 --> 00:20:18,160 Odyssey and was very instrumental. There wasn't a tornado, or I think it 259 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:23,319 was tornado yeah. Well, then we had the New Works Festival, which 260 00:20:23,319 --> 00:20:26,319 is which is always fun and also nerve wracking for me when I have to 261 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:33,160 be one of the respondents. But we had three actually really solid scripts this 262 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:40,680 year. I thought, I mean, it's always unfair when there's a comedy, 263 00:20:40,799 --> 00:20:44,000 because that one always is the one that everybody seems to latch onto the 264 00:20:44,039 --> 00:20:47,640 most, just because comedy, I don't know, when you're when you're in 265 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,480 a room together with people and you're laughing together, it just works a little 266 00:20:51,519 --> 00:20:56,839 bit more than a dramatic script. But overall, I thought they were all 267 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:03,759 pretty solid and good acting from somebody here. Dominic was Yes, it was, 268 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:12,559 Yeah, I guess I was laugh lines. Yeah. There were a 269 00:21:12,559 --> 00:21:15,839 few, yeah, a few humor humorous moments. And one thing that I 270 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,880 did tell you afterwards that I didn't get a chance to say at the time 271 00:21:21,039 --> 00:21:25,960 was I did really appreciate how you And again I can't remember the other actor's 272 00:21:26,079 --> 00:21:32,519 name. His character Felix, Yeah, Felix and Oliver, not Oscar Twist, 273 00:21:33,519 --> 00:21:36,480 because he did say he messed up that one line. He told you 274 00:21:36,519 --> 00:21:38,200 Oscar at one point. I don't think I've noticed that. I was just 275 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,440 trying to figure out, I noticed, but I was not going to say 276 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,119 anything about that. It's live. It's live, you mess up things. 277 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:49,960 But for anyway, the way that you guys were really not just looking at 278 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,559 the words that are on the page and just reading the line. And you 279 00:21:52,599 --> 00:21:56,920 know, there are times when you want to stick exactly with what's on the 280 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,720 page. But the way you were inserting those really strategy pauses and some of 281 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,599 some little stammers like that, it just to make it sound more natural. 282 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,240 And it really it really worked in several of those scenes because there were a 283 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:15,400 couple of parts that were really really dialogue heavy in that particular script, and 284 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,880 that stuff like that helps make it make it seem a little bit more realistic. 285 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,720 Sure, and and so I appreciated how you how you guys were handling 286 00:22:23,799 --> 00:22:27,279 that. That was Lewis Devin Lewis, Okay, it was really fun. 287 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:33,599 I mean I enjoy those new Works festivals a whole lot, just whether I 288 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,200 am sitting in the audience or whether I'm acting them out. I just but 289 00:22:37,559 --> 00:22:41,240 just the new creativity that's going on it gets to be performed live. Yeah, 290 00:22:41,759 --> 00:22:44,400 the first year was a bit uncomfortable, but now it's gotten a lot 291 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,880 better. I mean, I wasn't there a few submissions this year, I 292 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,680 think, yeah, there were, there were quite a few. Yeah. 293 00:22:51,799 --> 00:23:00,720 So it's actually the first year Randy Strew did his Superhero Yeah, and he 294 00:23:00,799 --> 00:23:03,440 blew everybody away, and like everybody was loving that one because it was the 295 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,359 comedy that again, yeah, because the first one. I think it was 296 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:11,680 the first one last or the first year. There was one that was very 297 00:23:11,759 --> 00:23:17,079 very serious, like the whole premise behind it. It was a good idea, 298 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,519 but it was so I don't want to say depressing, but it was 299 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:27,640 very It was deep and emotional and probably not the right type of story for 300 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:33,160 that venue. Yeah, that was an infant if I was if I don't, 301 00:23:33,279 --> 00:23:38,559 if I'm not, I'm misremembering. Yeah, but and it was a 302 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:45,640 very personal story for the writer. And so yeah, the most amazing script. 303 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:49,519 But at the same time, just the room is heavy. Yeah, 304 00:23:49,599 --> 00:23:56,400 it was very heavy. Yeah. Yeah, the writer, I can't remember, 305 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,200 it's it's something along those lines. I was so impressed with her, 306 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,160 Like, I wish I could write as good as she does at sixteen sixteen. 307 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,119 When I was sixteen, she did so awesome, you know, being 308 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,920 brave enough to oh yeah, work out there and get you know, live 309 00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:15,559 critiques and things like that would amazing. Her first audio drama, her first 310 00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:21,160 director at time ever directing. You know, she's sixteen. You know this 311 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,119 is this is awesome, you know, first time standing in the front of 312 00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:30,319 Phil Lawler as he's being very positive and helping his own way, you don't 313 00:24:30,319 --> 00:24:33,200 feel all their ways. I mean, that was that was well. And 314 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,200 here's the thing, like, if you're putting a script up for consideration for 315 00:24:37,319 --> 00:24:41,599 something like this, it doesn't help you for us to all just say, 316 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,640 well, that was nice. I enjoyed that. So I always and and 317 00:24:45,839 --> 00:24:52,400 usually I always do find something to say that's constructive. But I don't want 318 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:59,160 to just he praised, because that doesn't help. And I'm also considering who 319 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,559 else is here. They're learning from the feedback that we're giving. It's not 320 00:25:02,599 --> 00:25:04,880 just we're giving feedback to this writer, although that's the primary purpose, but 321 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,039 other people in the room are learning as well. In fact, I had 322 00:25:07,319 --> 00:25:11,000 a couple of women stopped me in the hall after that and they said, 323 00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:15,319 we were taking notes because the things that you guys were saying are helping us 324 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:22,839 too. Yeah, it's definitely definitely an opportunity for everyone. Then the blind 325 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,759 Reaper. Yeah. Then yeah, the Blind Reaper by Jeff Dixon. That 326 00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:30,480 that one's I really like it. It's just here's the other thing. I'm 327 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:37,279 stuttering a little bit, but they're I think, yeah, it's more realistic. 328 00:25:38,839 --> 00:25:42,279 It's hard because when you're submitting a script for this too, you have 329 00:25:42,559 --> 00:25:47,839 you have a certain number of pages you're you know allowed. And also it 330 00:25:47,839 --> 00:25:51,079 seems like every year there's people who are submitting things that are like the first 331 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,319 episode of a series. So we're not getting the full story, which I 332 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:59,519 think is a little bit unfair to the writers because we don't we don't know 333 00:25:59,519 --> 00:26:03,480 where things are going, and a lot of times there's set up and and 334 00:26:03,519 --> 00:26:07,319 we don't get the payoff, and so we just have to try to guess 335 00:26:07,319 --> 00:26:11,119 where things are going or or you know, trust it. Yeah, And 336 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:17,240 so I think if you're listening and considering submitting something in the future, try 337 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:22,359 to write a self contained story like Glenn Haskell did with his drag Net parody 338 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,240 that we don't we don't have to wonder where things are going or try to 339 00:26:26,279 --> 00:26:30,119 figure out things. It's all right there and we can really gauge you're writing 340 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,960 a little bit better. I don't think it's the best place to pitch a 341 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,799 first episode kind of thing. Although that seems to be what a lot of 342 00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:41,440 people do, but I think that's good advice because then you're going to get 343 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,839 the most amount of out of the feedback, so you don't have to be 344 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,279 you won't have to explain, well, this is where the story's going. 345 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,160 You know. The respondents can consume it as a as an entire piece and 346 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,599 then really give you some good feedback and you can get from there the audience 347 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,960 as well. Right right, Yeah, you could do a sort of a 348 00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:03,200 pilot, you know, treat it like a pilot of a of a series. 349 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,559 But a good pilot has its own, its own arc to it, 350 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,960 with a cliffhanger at the end, you know, something that that really gives 351 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,799 you a sense of the the flavor of the whole series. That doesn't doesn't 352 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,000 like, you know, the pilot is the selling point for the whole series. 353 00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:21,960 So if you treat if you treat it that way, you know, 354 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:27,480 then with you just it's not requiring people to sort of sort of you know, 355 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:32,559 take for granted that you know, well, I hope you know this 356 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,000 is going to go somewhere later. You know, it has to go somewhere 357 00:27:36,319 --> 00:27:38,720 right away. The Reaper did end with a cliffhanger. Yeah, so that 358 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,519 they kind of did what you were suggesting there. Yeah, Like one of 359 00:27:42,519 --> 00:27:45,880 the one of the best notes that Phil gave was started in the middle, 360 00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:52,519 like, that's such a good note. So that's always an interesting time. 361 00:27:55,519 --> 00:27:59,319 There's always some it's cool to see new people starting to come in. And 362 00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:03,480 you said, I think you said it a moment ago, Josh, it 363 00:28:03,559 --> 00:28:08,680 takes a lot of guts to put your material out there and and just you 364 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,319 never you don't know what what's going to come back at you, you know. 365 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,640 But even even that young writer, she did say that even the notes 366 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:22,519 that came back from the the committee who reviewed the was helpful to her. 367 00:28:22,599 --> 00:28:27,200 So so that's good. And yeah, I hope she keeps writing. I 368 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:33,279 hope all of them think, well, we know Glenn will Glen scripts today, 369 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,079 Paul, what did Phil say? It's like and this is my forty 370 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:45,599 seventh I've wrapping up forty seven scripts this afternoon. And then yeah, that 371 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,839 was a good Dragonet was so fun. Love his titles for them too, 372 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:55,920 There's so much fun. Yeah, Al he's going with the alliteration and it 373 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,839 almost sounds like you know those Rocky and bullcal cartoon titles, you know where 374 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:04,799 they have you know, just little spooks or plays on words in oh yeah 375 00:29:04,839 --> 00:29:11,400 in the titles joined in next time when we'll hear, you know, some 376 00:29:11,599 --> 00:29:15,079 funny twist on what might happen in the next episode, you know. Yeah, 377 00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:19,000 Yeah, he's he's a lot of fun and I've always enjoyed his stuff. 378 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,039 And so did you say that this is his fifth or there will be 379 00:29:23,079 --> 00:29:27,759 a total? So he's released the Daniel one and recent the Christmas one deliveries 380 00:29:27,759 --> 00:29:33,079 delivered day. I think there's one thing is an Esther one and what was 381 00:29:33,079 --> 00:29:36,079 the other one? I think so, I think he's done five total scripts 382 00:29:36,079 --> 00:29:38,480 of these, but not all of them produced yet. Yeah, so that 383 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,759 that's that's always fun and and those are going up on Drama pi As also 384 00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:47,519 said, there's already two up there right now, so you can always check 385 00:29:47,519 --> 00:29:52,039 out what Glinn's doing. First Ax productions. He's resurrected that old brand that 386 00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:57,119 he had used many years ago, and what I had originally connected with him 387 00:29:57,279 --> 00:30:00,039 was under that brand, and so it was cool to see him start using 388 00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:03,680 that again for his productions, just for a little while. It was just 389 00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:06,960 under he was just saying, you know, by Glenn Haskell, and I'm 390 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,640 glad that he's got a brand now to start building. But you know that 391 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,680 that's always the final event, and then we have the closing ceremonies where Chris 392 00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:19,359 just you know, kind of thanks everybody, and it's always bittersweet. I 393 00:30:19,359 --> 00:30:22,359 know, I said this to a couple of different people last night as things 394 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,839 were wrapping up. It's just, you know, you're glad it's coming to 395 00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:30,759 an end because you're absolutely exhausted, but you're also not glad because it's like 396 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,200 I don't want to say goodbye to all of these awesome people, you know, 397 00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:38,079 very melancholy. Yeah. Yeah, but it wasn't quite the end because 398 00:30:38,079 --> 00:30:44,599 then we went and got some ice cream and yeah yeah, and then just 399 00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:51,240 hung out in the hotel lobby again for hours. Yeah, everybody stood out 400 00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:55,759 on the street in forty three degrees and kept talking because nobody wanted to go 401 00:30:55,799 --> 00:30:57,960 home. Yeah, even with a big smooky outside. Yeah. Yeah right. 402 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,519 I've heard more than once the reference to leaving summer camp. Yeah, 403 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,680 it has that same feeling truly. Yeah. Well, and then you get 404 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,319 back to the hotel, you just keep sitting and docking, which great. 405 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:17,119 Yeah, you know, Austin bailed out a little bit earlier, and and 406 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:22,559 then this morning, I like, I like a little bit more this morning 407 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,319 He's like, what time did you go up? And I was like, 408 00:31:25,359 --> 00:31:30,640 well, probably an hour later than I should have, but I bailed like 409 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,200 an hour after you. I don't know how you got you guys, it 410 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:42,599 was nearly two two AMA. But back Airbnb. There's that way right. 411 00:31:45,559 --> 00:31:49,240 All the football people are gone, well, well we'll wrap it up here. 412 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,680 But man, it is such a blast. It's the highlight of my 413 00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:59,119 era every time we have this event, and I'm just looking forward to build 414 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:05,039 built keeping on building these connections and hopefully not waiting until the next event, 415 00:32:05,119 --> 00:32:09,920 you know, just keeping those lines of communication open throughout the year and some 416 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:15,599 exciting stuff. There's such an energy in the community, and there's so many 417 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:20,240 new projects that I'm hearing about, and it's just a great time for family 418 00:32:20,319 --> 00:32:23,319 friendly audio drama. So it might be good to know that Chris mentioned the 419 00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:27,599 next would be two years. He did, Yeah, he said the next 420 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,000 one will be in twenty twenty five. Didn't say what time of the year 421 00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:36,200 or anything. But as soon as we have more detail. We will definitely 422 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:42,000 share that, but I already expressed my dissatisfaction with that. Yeah, I 423 00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:46,720 don't think you were the only one. But there is also the Odyssey event 424 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:52,759 in August of next year, so I've been just been telling some people maybe 425 00:32:52,759 --> 00:32:58,640 we should just meet up there at Focus headquarters in August or something. So 426 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,039 so all right, all right, well we'll wrap it up. Thank you 427 00:33:01,079 --> 00:33:02,720 guys, Thank you, thank