1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,960 Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is not intended for all 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:14,759 audiences. Listener discretion is advised. And sometimes I observed anything. It's it's 3 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:20,679 just the picture is I mean amazingly close. I mean it's you know, 4 00:00:20,679 --> 00:00:26,039 it looks just like my brother. Sword and Scale episode two sixty five. 5 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:45,719 Let's go, Well, you simply haven't lived until you've cowered in a small 6 00:00:45,759 --> 00:00:49,920 closet with three cats in your significant other thinking you're gonna die in the next 7 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:53,679 five minutes. Yeah, for a second there, I thought episode two sixty 8 00:00:53,679 --> 00:00:57,399 four was gonna be the last Sword and Scale. Ever, I'm lying. 9 00:00:57,799 --> 00:01:00,039 I wasn't thinking about Thorn Scale at all. In fact, I was thinking 10 00:01:00,039 --> 00:01:06,319 about death, the imminent death that was coming via tornado. I'm not lying 11 00:01:06,359 --> 00:01:11,040 when I say this. The entire sky turned black, It turned tonight in 12 00:01:11,079 --> 00:01:15,840 the middle of the day, and this was the entire city of Houston. 13 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,599 And if you've ever been to Houston, you know how fucking big it is 14 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:23,079 that when we emerged from that closet, it was literally like a bomb had 15 00:01:23,079 --> 00:01:27,920 gone off. But we're still here, So go check out the latest episode 16 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:34,640 of swordscal Television, Episode three. Sure E c Iyberson before the next twister 17 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,760 hits. I hear Big Daddy Government's doing some weird shit with the weather. 18 00:01:38,599 --> 00:01:59,959 Just look at you buy two weeks ago. Sarasota Springs sits in the western 19 00:02:00,079 --> 00:02:06,359 coast of Florida, about halfway between Tampa and Fort Myers. Sarasota, being 20 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:13,159 so close to the ocean is beautiful. It's lush and green in some areas, 21 00:02:13,199 --> 00:02:19,719 specifically the safer inland neighborhoods in the suburbs. Blocks upon blocks of residential 22 00:02:19,759 --> 00:02:27,000 neighborhoods house a community of about fifteen thousand residents. Sarazota Springs is arguably one 23 00:02:27,039 --> 00:02:32,000 of the best places to live in Florida, specifically if you're raising a family. 24 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:38,759 There's lots to do, the beach is right there, and crime rates 25 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:43,319 are low. February one, two thousand and four, was Super Bowl Sunday, 26 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,240 Josh Grobin saying you raise me Up right before the kickoff of Super Bowl 27 00:02:47,319 --> 00:02:53,400 thirty eight, a game between New England and Carolina. That year, the 28 00:02:53,479 --> 00:02:58,840 game was in Houston, my hometown. The song choice and location of the 29 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:04,199 game were tributes to the seven astronauts who lost their lives in the tragic Space 30 00:03:04,199 --> 00:03:09,280 Shuttle Columbia disaster exactly one year prior. Just to set this scene with pop 31 00:03:09,319 --> 00:03:16,479 culture landmarks, this was also the super Bowl that featured Janet Jackson's infamous nipple 32 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:22,840 slip, remember that one. It's weird how you remember where you were during 33 00:03:22,879 --> 00:03:27,560 moments like that, and I'm sure you'll remember that. All of the supermarket 34 00:03:27,599 --> 00:03:35,199 tabloids obsessed over this for the next several weeks. Many residents of Sarasota Springs, 35 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,479 like the rest of the country, were tuning in for the game, 36 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:45,039 having parties eating buffalo chicken wings and drinking beer. But light, of course, 37 00:03:45,759 --> 00:03:51,240 as the tranquil hush of the Sunday evening sunset enveloped the surroundings, the 38 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:59,879 unexpected cries of a terrified mother desperately searching for her child shattered the serene silence. 39 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:35,319 Eleven year old Carly Brushaw, a sixth grader at Macintosh Middle School, 40 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:41,439 was staying at her friend Danielle's house off of b Ridge Road, just a 41 00:04:41,439 --> 00:04:46,240 little over a mile from where Carly and her family lived. Just after dinnertime 42 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,839 around six PM, Carly and her friend got into a little tiff over something 43 00:04:49,879 --> 00:04:55,319 trivial, but being a kid, her emotions were very real to her, 44 00:04:56,079 --> 00:05:00,639 and she was angry. Carl abruptly decided she wanted to go go back home 45 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,079 and watch the Super Bowl with her family, so she called her stepdad, 46 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:09,879 Steve Chansler, and told him she wanted to come back, which during the 47 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:14,240 game is an annoying at all. My daughter called, says she wanted to 48 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,920 come home. What was set on the phone? I don't know. A 49 00:05:16,959 --> 00:05:21,360 couple minutes later kind of calls, says Carly standing across the street, come 50 00:05:21,439 --> 00:05:25,480 pick her up. You remember what it was like being a kid, right, 51 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:30,199 I mean it hasn't been that long. Emotions feel twice as intense, 52 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:35,040 at least twice, I mean probably more like five times, and you have 53 00:05:35,439 --> 00:05:42,800 almost no patience whatsoever. Carly was mad and she wanted to go home right 54 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,240 that minute. She didn't want to wait for her stepdad to get there, 55 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:53,519 you know, like the logical thing to do, so she just took off 56 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:58,720 walking. Carly's friend Danielle, watched Carly standing on the corner of the street 57 00:05:58,959 --> 00:06:04,399 by her house just before she began her mile long trek home. It was 58 00:06:04,519 --> 00:06:12,240 six eighteen pm. Though Sarrizonta Springs has a ton of residential areas. Carly's 59 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:16,360 walk back to her house would be along a very busy main road. There 60 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:21,480 were sidewalks, but the houses lining those sidewalks quickly disappeared and were replaced by 61 00:06:21,519 --> 00:06:28,399 businesses like bars, mini golf and car washes. As she continues to walk 62 00:06:28,439 --> 00:06:33,160 west towards her home. It was basically a straight shot from Danielle's house. 63 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:39,480 Carl would walk west on b Ridge Road for about twenty minutes before turning right 64 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:45,040 onto her street, Macintosh Road. Then she'd walk for another few minutes and 65 00:06:45,639 --> 00:06:49,639 she'd be home to an eleven year old. I'm sure this plan seemed easy 66 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:54,240 enough. I've washed my hands and out the door I went, and I 67 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:58,600 got down there. I didn't see her. So maybe I passed through Bee 68 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:03,000 Ridge her and come back, drove real slow and see her. Went into 69 00:07:03,079 --> 00:07:08,399 EV's, looked inside, see if she is an arcade fears. So maybe 70 00:07:08,439 --> 00:07:12,480 she went the back way behind Nick's bar, the na in the street. 71 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,000 I went back around and came back. Didn't see her. So I went 72 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:24,879 back to there Connie's house, and I swears Carly, and so she left 73 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,800 walking. I said, I can't find it. So I went back home 74 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:33,360 and got my wife. Were driving around, took her back to the house 75 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:38,480 with the girls for she yielded the girls or whatever she said. We got 76 00:07:38,519 --> 00:07:40,920 in the van. We drove down. So I came down be rich. 77 00:07:40,959 --> 00:07:44,839 I was going real slow, my flash was on. She was screaming out 78 00:07:44,839 --> 00:07:50,079 the one side. I was looking across eastbound traffic trying to see so going 79 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:54,279 across. She said, I'm going to get out because it's a bunch of 80 00:07:54,519 --> 00:08:00,399 wooded area that had houses. Heart's just all rubble and just trees. So 81 00:08:00,439 --> 00:08:03,120 she'll stop when I get out. She got out, screaming Carly. So 82 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,800 and she did. I pulled into Eve's and parked, took my little boy 83 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,600 out with me, and we started walking back to where my wife was. 84 00:08:09,199 --> 00:08:13,879 Carly's mom, stepdad, and younger brother continued looking for her for another hour. 85 00:08:15,879 --> 00:08:18,199 They took all the back roads home, weaving in and out of different 86 00:08:18,199 --> 00:08:24,480 neighborhoods. Carly's mother, Susan, screaming Carly's name out the window as they 87 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:31,639 drove, but the effort was fruitless. Susan's only wish was to witness her 88 00:08:31,759 --> 00:08:35,840 daughter, with her thick, ash blonde hair and smile on her face, 89 00:08:35,799 --> 00:08:41,320 emerge from the woods unharmed. You don't see you walking on Berridge. You 90 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:45,559 get all the way to La Lania address. I didn't go to La Liai. 91 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,799 I passed it because I've only been there, you know once or twice. 92 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:54,080 I passed La LIAI. Go down to the next intersection. I was 93 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:58,399 there when I made a U turn come back. Then I recognized the house 94 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,679 during the corner now because I've passed it once. I saw it was too 95 00:09:01,759 --> 00:09:05,200 late. So that's when I make a U turn come back, and I 96 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:09,320 didn't see her outside. So I made it just right there the little circle 97 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,960 and I come back out wet, back down be Ridge to see her when 98 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,159 never saw her, all right, So I went all the way down to 99 00:09:16,279 --> 00:09:22,039 Macintosh, come in the back way by Nick bark Is. Sometimes she'll come 100 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:26,879 the back way because it's stay enough. It's shorter for her that way, 101 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:30,840 so I come down that way. I don't see her. So just before 102 00:09:30,879 --> 00:09:35,200 I get to the golf course, I come out whatever that little road is 103 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:41,120 there. I turned left and then another left into Eve's and I looked. 104 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,200 I didn't see nobody, I said, because that makes she went inside. 105 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:48,279 But you at this point EV's is actually open. Yeah, there's people full 106 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:52,720 of people okay. Eve's was a landmark for Carly, given that it was 107 00:09:52,759 --> 00:09:58,519 a center point between her and her friend's house. It was a multi building 108 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:03,840 collection of businesses all under the same name, EV's Express car Wash and Mobile 109 00:10:03,879 --> 00:10:09,360 Detailing, EV's Tavern and Grill on b Ridge, and Eve's Family Golf Center. 110 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,840 Ev seems to have quite the enterprise. Inside the main building was a 111 00:10:16,039 --> 00:10:20,960 kid's arcade somewhere. Stephen thought his stepdaughter might have stopped on her walk home. 112 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:26,600 When he didn't find her there, he thought perhaps she cut through EV's 113 00:10:26,639 --> 00:10:31,480 parking lot and through another neighborhood to get back home quicker. Over an hour 114 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:37,480 had passed since they began looking for Carly, and Susan's heart was in the 115 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:43,159 pit of her stomach, so she decided to call nine one one at about 116 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:48,759 seven thirty pm a location of the emergency. My daughter is missing the ship 117 00:10:48,759 --> 00:10:52,559 and missing. Before now, she had a fight with her girlfriend. She 118 00:10:52,679 --> 00:11:00,559 decided to walk home and we end well, I only house. They have 119 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:05,960 to walk go on. We can't mind running where I could blo friends add 120 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:11,080 eleven and when was the last time that she was what she was seeing? 121 00:11:13,639 --> 00:11:20,120 It was just six o'clock. Jean Round six o'clock and she was at a 122 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:26,879 friend helge. Yeah, okay. What's her name? Man? Carle c 123 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:33,000 A R L I think and the last name? Who? Sha b are 124 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:37,000 you b i A? She's a white female? Yah? O'kay? What's 125 00:11:37,039 --> 00:11:46,399 your date of birth? Sixteen eighty two? How polishing? Who she too? 126 00:11:46,519 --> 00:11:54,440 Shy f gener what she weighs? Were nice? And what color her? 127 00:11:54,519 --> 00:11:58,639 Does she have? Pretty? Blood? And the colors? Lou do 128 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:09,039 you remember what she was wearing? She over come? Don't? Don't you 129 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:13,919 have? I can try to seven. That's okay. The deputies look at 130 00:12:13,919 --> 00:12:16,720 that from me when they come out. Okay, does she have a medical 131 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,480 problems? You know? Okay? Where was the last place that she was 132 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:22,679 seeing? Was she did? She had leave her friend's house and that was 133 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:28,600 the last time that anybody saw her? Yes, okay for somebody there was 134 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,159 here. Okay, all right, we got the deputy coming over to meet 135 00:12:31,159 --> 00:12:33,879 you. Okay, if you can get any information about what she was wearing 136 00:12:33,919 --> 00:12:37,519 when she left her friend's house, so no, you can tell the deputy. 137 00:12:37,759 --> 00:12:41,440 Can you get that right now? We're getting that right now. Okay, 138 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,960 you can give that to the deputy. Okay, Okay, they'll be 139 00:12:46,039 --> 00:12:50,279 there as soon as they can. Okay, okay, did you say you 140 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:54,039 were looking around her for the last hour and a half and was somebody what 141 00:12:54,159 --> 00:13:00,799 you looking around? Driving? All right, ma'am, we'll get the deputy 142 00:13:00,799 --> 00:13:07,399 shout to you. Okay, okay, thanks you. Carly Brusha never made 143 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:13,679 it home that night. Police searched on and around Carly's potential path home until 144 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,080 three o'clock in the morning. They resumed the search the next day, and 145 00:13:18,919 --> 00:13:24,559 by noon, a bloodhound tracked Carly sent to an area behind Evie's car wash. 146 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:31,720 That's where the scent trail stopped. But Eve's had security cameras everywhere. 147 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,919 You know, Evie, she doesn't miss a thing. Surely one of them 148 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,879 caught Carly on tape. Carly Brusha vanished February first, two thousand and four, 149 00:13:43,399 --> 00:13:46,039 never making it home from a sleepover at a friend's house. The next 150 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:50,840 day, after talking with police about a missing girl in the area, car 151 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:56,279 wash owner Mike Evanoff looks at tape from his surveillance cameras. Just came in 152 00:13:56,399 --> 00:14:01,039 and saw her walking and walking and it's just right away and I saw it. 153 00:14:01,279 --> 00:14:05,559 Just threw chisen shivers right in my body. The video grainy and only 154 00:14:05,759 --> 00:14:11,279 ten seconds long, is chilling. Carly is a half mile from her home. 155 00:14:11,759 --> 00:14:15,240 A man in a mechanic's uniform walks up to her outside the car wash. 156 00:14:15,799 --> 00:14:20,440 He leads her away the man hunt begin. The video surveillance from Evie's 157 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:26,679 car wash showed Carly clear as day. She was facing the camera, walking 158 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:31,480 towards it unknowingly, and a man in a blue mechanic shirt with a white 159 00:14:31,559 --> 00:14:37,480 name tag appears to approach her from the opposite direction. We see his back 160 00:14:37,039 --> 00:14:41,919 to the camera, but clearly he grabs her arm and pulls her closer to 161 00:14:41,039 --> 00:14:46,480 him in a kind of aggressive way. Then he turns around to face the 162 00:14:46,559 --> 00:14:52,240 camera and pulls Carly out of frame by the wrist. That footage is the 163 00:14:52,399 --> 00:14:58,840 last time she's ever seen again. Shown on local and national television, the 164 00:14:58,919 --> 00:15:03,159 video brings hundred of leeds. Surely someone would recognize the man on the grainy 165 00:15:03,279 --> 00:15:07,840 tape, and they do. On February third, just two days after Carly's 166 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:16,039 abduction, numerous tips came into the Sarasota Sheriff's office, all pointing to one 167 00:15:16,159 --> 00:15:20,840 man, thirty nine year old Joseph P. Smith. One of these callers 168 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:26,399 even new where the guy worked Joseph was apparently a mechanic at a place called 169 00:15:28,039 --> 00:15:33,120 Saurus Autos. When detectives arrived at the auto body shop, they were greeted 170 00:15:33,159 --> 00:15:37,440 by a man who admitted he'd been the one to call him the tip himself. 171 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,559 He told detectives that Joseph was his friend and co worker, but he 172 00:15:43,679 --> 00:15:50,960 had just seen the clip of Carly Brush's abduction on television and he immediately recognized 173 00:15:50,039 --> 00:15:54,440 Joe. The guy said that he called the shop's landlord and told him to 174 00:15:54,480 --> 00:16:00,200 turn on the news. He watched the clip and agreed the guy in the 175 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:07,120 footage was Joe. It had to be. I seeing Joe with the uniform 176 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,200 from the backside, from the front side, of the way his hair was 177 00:16:11,279 --> 00:16:15,799 cut, the way that he walked his gate was just like you know Joe 178 00:16:15,879 --> 00:16:21,120 walking through the shop. I mean, he's got a different type of walk 179 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,879 to him. And then when I watched him reach out for the you know, 180 00:16:25,039 --> 00:16:29,639 reach for the girl, I know it was him. The coworker told 181 00:16:29,679 --> 00:16:33,360 police he didn't want to believe Joe would be capable of such a thing, 182 00:16:33,519 --> 00:16:40,120 but he wasn't sure because he knew Joe did hard drugs and at the time 183 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:45,360 he was separated from his current wife. This coworker decided to call in so 184 00:16:45,559 --> 00:16:48,960 quickly because he thought of his own eleven year old daughter and what he'd want 185 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:55,559 his community to do if she were missing. Imagine if we all lived by 186 00:16:55,639 --> 00:17:00,960 that role. The man in the CCTV footage, apparently easily recognized by his 187 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:07,640 community, was wearing a name tag on his mechanics uniform, but the grainy 188 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:15,000 resolution of the video footage made it difficult to decipher. Interestingly, NASA at 189 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:19,920 software all the way back in two thousand and four that was able to enhance 190 00:17:21,039 --> 00:17:30,279 grainy footage. It was called Video Image Stabilization and Registration or VISOR for short. 191 00:17:30,759 --> 00:17:36,759 It was a million dollar piece of software, almost as expensive as our 192 00:17:36,839 --> 00:17:42,359 new app. But NASA offered it to law enforcement in this case, and 193 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:48,680 guess what, it fucking worked. The name tag matched what all of the 194 00:17:48,839 --> 00:18:23,720 callers were saying. It read Joe. On February first, two thousand and 195 00:18:23,799 --> 00:18:29,079 four, eleven year old Carly Brushaw was staying at her friend's house just a 196 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:33,640 little over a mile from where her own family lived in Sarasota Springs. Carly 197 00:18:33,759 --> 00:18:37,160 decided that she wanted to go home. Following a little argument she had with 198 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:42,880 her friend and said she was going to walk. When Danielle's mother called Carly's 199 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:48,319 parents to confirm she had permission to walk home, they said no, and 200 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:55,119 Carly's mother sent her stepfather to pick her up, but when Steve arrived, 201 00:18:56,039 --> 00:19:02,079 Carly was gone. After a massive search, Carly's scent was picked up by 202 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:07,839 a bloodhound at EV's car Wash, a business located about halfway between Danielle and 203 00:19:07,039 --> 00:19:15,440 Carly's houses. CCTV camera footage showed Carly's abduction in broad daylight. Law enforcement 204 00:19:15,599 --> 00:19:19,079 narrowed the suspect down quickly, with the help of hundreds of tips from the 205 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:27,960 community and NASA's million dollar Visor technology. As if all that wasn't enough of 206 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:34,240 a jump start on this case, the suspect's own brother contacted law enforcement to 207 00:19:34,319 --> 00:19:41,599 say the exact same thing everyone else had said. I recognized that guy you 208 00:19:41,759 --> 00:19:45,119 called in a couple of days ago, right, well, a couple of 209 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,480 days ago, Yes, it was yesterday. Okay, it's been a blur 210 00:19:48,599 --> 00:19:52,440 as we lost track of time as we've been in Golden But can you tell 211 00:19:52,519 --> 00:19:56,200 us about what you know what led to your call, and what you saw 212 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:00,200 or what you observed or what it's not that I observed anything. It's it's 213 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:06,119 just the picture is I mean, amazingly close. I mean it's you know, 214 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,799 it looks just like my brother. Okay, the voice you're hearing is 215 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:15,160 John Smith. Now the other one, that's a joke because you know the 216 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:22,160 name's John Smith. Anyway, this one was his brother, and he suspected 217 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:29,599 thirty nine year old Joseph Smith as responsible for Carly's abduction. Joe Smith, 218 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,279 then John Smith. Their parents were really creative with the names, huh. 219 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:40,160 Anyway, As you can probably tell by his accent, John and his brother 220 00:20:40,319 --> 00:20:45,240 Joseph were originally from Brooklyn, New York, along with every other annoying New 221 00:20:45,319 --> 00:20:52,039 Floridian. John moved to Sarasota County in the nineties, and Joseph followed him 222 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:57,359 in two thousand and three. Joseph Sarasota's main suspect was an auto mechanic. 223 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:03,640 He was a two time devorce a is it divorcee or devorcee? I don't, 224 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:11,279 I don't know. And he had three toddler age daughters, a dad 225 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:17,279 were they full time job? And three little girls. Is not someone you'd 226 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:23,559 usually suspect of kidnapping someone else's little girl. But as we know, the 227 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:30,119 world is a wretched place. Sunday he called me just out of the blue. 228 00:21:30,559 --> 00:21:32,960 I spoke to him a month or so. I don't know how I'm 229 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:33,960 doing. I said, I gotta go, and I hung up on them. 230 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,559 Then on Monday, you know, this this thing happened. I saw 231 00:21:38,599 --> 00:21:41,240 it on the ten o'clock news and I said, my girl said, damn, 232 00:21:41,279 --> 00:21:45,799 it looks like my brother, isn't it. And then at eleven o'clock, 233 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,759 don't don't don't my brother knocking on my door Monday morning? No, 234 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,000 at eleven o'clock at night? Oh, Monday night? Did I say Monday 235 00:21:52,039 --> 00:21:55,559 morning? No? No, you said eleven o'clock. I was just eleven 236 00:21:55,559 --> 00:21:57,200 o'clock at night, okay, Monday night. And remember he lives fall from 237 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,720 me, so it's kind of odd of him out of his way and opened 238 00:22:00,759 --> 00:22:03,599 the door. You know. I was in my just my bottom pants. 239 00:22:03,839 --> 00:22:07,319 Came in and go to bed, like, what do you want? He's 240 00:22:07,319 --> 00:22:08,160 like, oh, I thought you wanted to talk to me. I'm like, 241 00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:11,119 what made you think I wanted to talk to you. He's like, 242 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,240 no, I got to go to bed, and he's like, well, 243 00:22:14,279 --> 00:22:17,279 I need to talk. I'm like I don't really care. I'm going to 244 00:22:17,319 --> 00:22:21,160 bed. I gotta go and closed the door and then he left. It 245 00:22:21,279 --> 00:22:22,920 was just real strange, And like I said, the next day came and 246 00:22:23,039 --> 00:22:26,119 you know, everyone's talking about it and people calling me, hend I seeing 247 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,720 your brother on the news, and I'm like, you know, don't, 248 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:30,880 don't don't say that's my brother, because you don't know. You know, 249 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,279 it might look like him, but you know, unless you're hndre percent sure, 250 00:22:34,279 --> 00:22:37,559 I don't, don't say it's him. And I just I was just 251 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,920 getting a lot of phone calls. You know, he's got a very bad 252 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,759 habit of drugs. You know what was his drug of choice when he got 253 00:22:44,839 --> 00:22:48,039 when he was on that when we're kids, it was cocaine. And then 254 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:53,000 when he when I came down to Florida ninety yeah, ninety, he he 255 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:59,440 got into heroin. And heroin was this thing for a long time, sniffing 256 00:22:59,519 --> 00:23:03,960 it and then in the past few years pushing it. Joseph had apparently struggled 257 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:10,880 with back pain his entire life, turning the pills to self medicate and eventually 258 00:23:11,079 --> 00:23:18,200 escalating to intravenous heroin use. So he maintained a job somehow and looked and 259 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:26,200 behaved relatively normally. Joseph's drug addiction got him into trouble numerous times for things 260 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:32,559 like theft and possession. His most frequent target was his own brother John. 261 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,839 A friend of his called me and said that he was going around asking people 262 00:23:36,839 --> 00:23:40,240 if they wanted to buy a snake, so he didn't have an immediate buyer, 263 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,240 unlike the other things that he stole from me in the past. Most 264 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:47,559 of its electronics, power equipment. Yeah, stuff that I usually leave out 265 00:23:47,559 --> 00:23:49,160 in the bag guard. Like one time it was a paint sprayer. My 266 00:23:49,279 --> 00:23:52,519 mom was coming and I was doing a few test spots and I got interrupted. 267 00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:56,680 I left it there and a couple of days later it was gone. 268 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:57,920 You know, I lived in a pretty good need with it. You guys 269 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,799 know, it's you know, you know, we're part of ten again, 270 00:24:02,079 --> 00:24:04,400 sever sort of golf club. There's no it's a circle, so there's no 271 00:24:04,519 --> 00:24:10,000 passive buyers, there's no people walking around and for things to missing. You 272 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:11,839 know who it is. I mean, it doesn't just it doesn't happen over 273 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,720 there. We're too close over there. So you know, like I said, 274 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,359 he's gotten me about four or five times. So before you said he 275 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:26,240 came over Monday night at eleven eleven. Prior to Monday night at eleven, 276 00:24:26,279 --> 00:24:30,200 when's the last time you had saw him face to face? So on December 277 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,279 twenty fourth, Christmas Christmas Eve, if he went to do a shake my 278 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,039 hand, I pushed him and shoved him. But we were all posted to 279 00:24:37,039 --> 00:24:41,240 me to my sister's house and he just robbed me that the day before, 280 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,880 so I was still pretty mad. And then he picked up his kids and 281 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,440 left them. So that was like a family Christmas. Yeah, well, 282 00:24:48,599 --> 00:24:52,440 everyone was going to my sister's house, and you know, I hadn't found 283 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,720 out about that until a few hours earlier that it was actually him that day. 284 00:24:56,839 --> 00:24:57,559 I mean, I knew it was him when I first went home with 285 00:24:57,599 --> 00:25:02,880 this first way he was missing his wife's is. At three o'clock, he 286 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,400 said, I'll be right home to his wife. Three o'clock came, four 287 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,160 o'clock came, five, six, seven, eight o'clock came. His wife 288 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,400 called me. I said, I got to run home, drop money on 289 00:25:11,519 --> 00:25:15,279 to my girlfriend, and then I'll come back and I don't know what I'll 290 00:25:15,319 --> 00:25:18,720 do, but I'll be there for you. I did just that, and 291 00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:21,400 when I got home, I seen the spot where it was. I went 292 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:22,960 inside. I said, Babe, did you put that snake in the garage 293 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,200 because it's too heavy and didn't think she'd do it. He's like, no, 294 00:25:26,319 --> 00:25:27,720 I thought you did. I was like, the fuck it? So 295 00:25:27,839 --> 00:25:30,640 anyway, I know, but him missing, I know exactly put two and 296 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,799 two together. So the first time I went to his house, waited for 297 00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:37,440 a little while. Then he called me in his cell phone and he said, 298 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:38,839 John, I'm trying to get in touch at everybody, but no one's 299 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,920 answering the phone, Like, Joe, cut the shit. I'm at your 300 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,039 house. Come here now. I want my snake back. And he's like, 301 00:25:45,319 --> 00:25:48,160 what snake? What snake? I said, Joe, whatever, just 302 00:25:48,319 --> 00:25:52,000 get home. Your kids are crying, wife's crying. Just get home. 303 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,319 He was right around the corner. He came home, and when he got 304 00:25:55,319 --> 00:25:56,519 out of the car, the first thing he said was I mean, you'd 305 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,799 expect him to say I'm sorry, babe, and I'm missing while he's out. 306 00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:03,359 No, He's like, what is John talking about the snake? I 307 00:26:03,519 --> 00:26:07,000 was like, hello, whatever, you know. I said a few words 308 00:26:07,079 --> 00:26:10,039 to him, and his eyes were like this, you know I know what 309 00:26:10,079 --> 00:26:12,799 he was doing. And I left and then Christmas Eve came and we had 310 00:26:12,839 --> 00:26:17,240 that altercation and that was it, and I didn't see him toild Monday. 311 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:23,079 Here's the biggest red flag of all. Joseph had no alibi for the time 312 00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:27,559 Carly went missing, so you know, definitely he was also missing Sunday. 313 00:26:29,599 --> 00:26:30,279 I don't know, you guys where we heard that? All right? He 314 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,880 was missing Sunday? What do you what do you know about that? He 315 00:26:34,039 --> 00:26:40,279 was missing between I think three and seven, thirty three and eight, and 316 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,319 he lied to three different people. That's the part that I mean. I 317 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,079 haven't know my brother, but if he did it, he's gonna rot in 318 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,279 hell because that's pretty shitty to go for, you know, the little child 319 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,680 he told. Let me see, he told the people that he the stories 320 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,680 that you know of or what he told the people he was staying with. 321 00:26:59,799 --> 00:27:03,119 He took their car, Mimi and Jeff, that's who he's staying with, 322 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,319 because they had problems at home because of all his drug shit. He told 323 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,519 them he was going to work. No, he told them he was going 324 00:27:11,559 --> 00:27:12,880 with his wife, I think, and they told his wife that he was 325 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:17,640 working on someone's car. They told my mom they was sitting at Marina Jack's 326 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,680 looking at the water. You know, that's not like my brother. He's 327 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,079 not you know, a sight seeri or whatever. So everything was just like, 328 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,319 oh, you know, you did it again, you know, the 329 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,680 hell with you? And those were the hours he was missing. And then 330 00:27:29,759 --> 00:27:33,640 to see that on TV, you know Monday, I mean that looks damn 331 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,240 clothes like him he was now Monday. He didn't have a white sneakers though, 332 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,319 he hit on black boots, and I did think that was strange because 333 00:27:40,599 --> 00:27:41,759 I never seen him with black boots on. You know, he usually does 334 00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:45,799 have the white sneakers on, which in the video he has white sneakers, 335 00:27:45,799 --> 00:27:48,960 which his wife said he was wearing those white sneakers Sunday morning, and she 336 00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:52,279 also confirmed that he was wearing his mechanic thing. Looks like the police had 337 00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:57,079 the right guy in their crosshairs and his brother John was spilling the beans. 338 00:27:59,319 --> 00:28:04,279 Granted it was probably because he had such a resentment built up against his brother 339 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:11,559 after years of repeated thefts, but either way, John Smith was useful to 340 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:17,519 police, and he'd proved useful later on. Also, the tips led police 341 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:22,759 right to Joseph Smith three days after Carly disappears. Joseph Smith is arrested at 342 00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:27,319 his house on cocaine possession and a probation violation. Police believe they have their 343 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:33,200 man. These charges give them enough to hold him. Law enforcement pulled up 344 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,880 to Joseph's last known address in an unmarked vehicle and knocked on the door. 345 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:42,359 Joseph was staying with a friend because of his impending divorce. One of the 346 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:48,839 neighbors indicated there was someone inside the house, so an officer knocked. There 347 00:28:48,039 --> 00:28:53,440 was no answer. The officer called his supervisor to ask for some instruction, 348 00:28:53,559 --> 00:29:00,599 and the supervisor told him Joseph Smith was on probation, so they called his 349 00:29:00,759 --> 00:29:06,240 probation officer to the scene. Eventually, Joseph's sister showed up and told the 350 00:29:06,319 --> 00:29:10,759 cops she would go get her brother. They brought him out. They asked 351 00:29:10,839 --> 00:29:15,319 him a few questions regarding his whereabouts the day Carly was abducted, and they 352 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:21,559 searched his room and car Joe acted like he had no knowledge of the abduction. 353 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,079 Detectives even showed him a still photo from the CCTV footage as the car 354 00:29:26,319 --> 00:29:30,240 wash, and he replied, that looks like me, but it's not me. 355 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:37,920 You're right, okay, it's been a long day it's been a long 356 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:42,079 day with you. I've spent a long day with you. I know we 357 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,960 went together the whole time, but it's been a long day with you. 358 00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:53,519 This is going to be exactly like out at your house. Okay, We've 359 00:29:53,559 --> 00:30:00,160 got to sit down and we have to talk. Certainly, since I've up 360 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:08,000 to your house, I've been at work. But just like just like your 361 00:30:08,039 --> 00:30:12,200 house, I want to just talk. You and I have some things to 362 00:30:12,279 --> 00:30:18,160 talk about, okay, because some of the things at the house we got 363 00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:22,759 to get straight. That's the most important thing, okay, in this room, 364 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,039 it's about the truth. Mm hmm. Okay, it's the most important 365 00:30:26,079 --> 00:30:33,359 thing that goes on in this room is the truth. But we're not at 366 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,359 your house. We're at my house. Okay. And because we're at my 367 00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:41,279 house and you're here, and I'm a law enforcement officer and this is a 368 00:30:41,319 --> 00:30:45,400 police station. Before we can talk, I have to read to your rights. 369 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,400 Have you heard that before? Yeah, Adam twelve and TV and it 370 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:56,880 was already advised to talk to a lawyer who advised you, friend of mine? 371 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:03,920 When did you invite that? Wonderful okay, when did that happen? 372 00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:11,559 When did that happen? Well, we talked to Okay, that means you 373 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:19,920 and I can't talk, should talk to a lawyer. The detective left Joseph 374 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:26,640 in the interrogation room for about fifteen minutes before returning. It's always a drag 375 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:33,519 for cops when the suspect of an exceptionally horrible crime decides he needs to speak 376 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,559 with a lawyer. But it's you know, also his right. In Joseph's 377 00:31:38,599 --> 00:31:42,200 case, he didn't have a lawyer yet. When I came out to you 378 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:49,279 house, I told you the grave seriousness of my job. The most important 379 00:31:49,319 --> 00:31:56,279 part of my job is to attempt to locate this child. As such, 380 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,759 I am willing to go to any links in order to work. Do you 381 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,000 have an attorney right now that I can contact to come down and talk to 382 00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:09,119 you. Would you like me to contact the Public Defender's office and have a 383 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:14,240 lawyer come down and talk with you right now? I'd like to talk to 384 00:32:14,359 --> 00:32:20,720 my family. This is an ongoing investigation. I have got to find that 385 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:25,640 little girl. You have asked and request a lawyer. I must provide you 386 00:32:27,079 --> 00:32:31,279 that lawyer, but this investigation has to go on for it. In order 387 00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:36,440 for this investigation to continue, I need you to talk to that lawyer? 388 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:43,400 Do you have one in mind? Can I contact the Public Defender's office for 389 00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:46,960 you and they can bring a lawyer down here? Yeah? Would that be 390 00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:52,519 okay? I guess, And you know, I'd rather talk to my family 391 00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:58,359 see what they will suggest it with a lawyer. Do they have suggestion? 392 00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:01,720 Do they know a lawyer? Sure? My brother, my mother wouldn't know. 393 00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:07,279 Is that a lawyer that you want to represent you? I know, 394 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,640 I guess that they wouldn't know the direction would take. I mean, I 395 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,200 don't know. You know, I didn't give this much thought. You know, 396 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:21,839 well that's obvious you were caught on camera. Joseph also had no idea 397 00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:25,640 that his brother had been blabbing up a storm about him. His family would 398 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:32,039 be of no help at this point. I don't. I mean, you 399 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:37,799 tell you tell me first that it's something different, and you go into the 400 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:43,240 house and you tell me something different there. I mean, I don't understand 401 00:33:44,279 --> 00:33:47,640 you weren't totally honest with me there. What's my job to be honest with 402 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:52,960 you? Or find a little girl? That's number one? Number one? 403 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:58,720 Yeah, but I mean I can't discuss this case with you anymore. But 404 00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:02,720 I need to talk. You need to talk because this case has got to 405 00:34:02,839 --> 00:34:07,480 go. It's got to continue. You're the key person as such. I 406 00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:09,920 need to get a lawyer in here, and he is going to sit down 407 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:15,559 and talk with you, and then maybe through him we can talk. Then 408 00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:20,039 again, you won't. You won't tell me what's going on. I don't 409 00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:24,360 understand. I guess how would I even know that? His lawyers from the 410 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:30,280 Public Defender's office. I have a set of rules that I've sworn to a 411 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:37,440 bed and like you said, you know this is a serious thing. I 412 00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:40,760 mean, I was supposed to be clear to this thing. That's not so 413 00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:46,480 simple. When cameras show you committing the crime, the whole community agrees it 414 00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:52,199 was you, and your alibi doesn't add up. Things are not looking good, 415 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:57,239 Joe. What is the public defender going to tell me? Is he 416 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,199 going to tell me what's going on? Does he have any information? He 417 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:05,920 will, and then we can talk. That's what's gotta bean. I'm my 418 00:35:06,039 --> 00:35:10,000 contacting Now. Okay, did you say something? Do you think do you 419 00:35:10,039 --> 00:35:15,000 think that I could smoke up? But it is a federal buildings smoking here, 420 00:35:15,159 --> 00:35:21,280 I mean like outside or something. All right, now you gotta tell 421 00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:24,480 Yeah, we're working. We're working on right now. I don't need to 422 00:35:24,559 --> 00:35:30,760 talk to you know, my family. See what's cold on, Joe. 423 00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:37,039 Once you have decided to speak to a lawyer, I am under an obligation 424 00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:43,039 to respect that right unless you revoke it and say, take of Davis. 425 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,679 Okay. I want to talk to you, but you have to do that. 426 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:51,000 Okay. As such, I can't talk to you. You have asked 427 00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:53,480 for a lawyer. I am going to get you one from the Public Defender's 428 00:35:53,519 --> 00:36:00,199 office. Okay, I can't talk to you. You have requested a What 429 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:07,920 about my family? Why can't I quote them? M You can't call them 430 00:36:08,599 --> 00:36:15,519 because they're not part of this m HM. And these are the these are 431 00:36:15,559 --> 00:36:22,400 the people that are telling me to get a lawyer. You know, I 432 00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:27,199 want to I want to talk to my ANNs or my brother Joe, the 433 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:32,360 people they give you legal advice. I ain't here, of course I want 434 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:37,400 to talk to them. It's just a phone call. Let them know what's 435 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:43,519 going on. And my mom's real concerned, you know, my brother, 436 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:49,679 everybody Okay, Yeah, Joe's brother was concerned, but he was concerned about 437 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:54,800 whether or not Joseph had really committed this horrible crime, because it sure was 438 00:36:54,920 --> 00:37:00,800 looking that way. Once they put Joseph in jail, they set up a 439 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:07,039 little scheme with his brother John. John knew Joe would never ever confess to 440 00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:12,559 the crime. If it was something he really did, it was so horrible. 441 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,519 This would be a truth that Joe would take to his grave. John 442 00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:22,440 suggested that if someone went to Joe and confessed to crimes that they'd committed that 443 00:37:22,559 --> 00:37:29,000 were similar to the ones Joe was accused of, then perhaps maybe he might 444 00:37:29,039 --> 00:37:32,639 be willing to open up about what he'd done. Well, that didn't work. 445 00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:37,599 Then a meeting between John, Joe, and their mother was arranged at 446 00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:42,880 the jail, but he wouldn't crack. He knew they were trying to get 447 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,000 a confession out of him and didn't say a thing. But on February fifth, 448 00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:54,440 it all came spilling out. Tell me about and I'm talking about today. 449 00:37:54,880 --> 00:38:00,800 Tell me about your first contact with him, May Smith. Contact today 450 00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:07,199 was the beginning of the shift. We have to feed the inmates normally around 451 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:13,159 four point thirty, and I handed him a food tray and a cold beverage 452 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:20,440 and that was it. What was his mannerisms or did you observe anything about 453 00:38:20,519 --> 00:38:24,159 him? He looked like he was under a lot of stress and his eyes 454 00:38:24,199 --> 00:38:30,239 were glassy, like you just got done crying. Did he say anything to 455 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:36,719 you? No, and he gave him his food and left right. Tell 456 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,920 me about the next contact you had with him. The next contact I had 457 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:45,559 with mister Smith was when I got back the food tray from him. When 458 00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:51,639 he was done eating. He was staring at me in a manner that he 459 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,400 wanted to talk to me and that he had some things on his mind that 460 00:38:55,480 --> 00:39:00,239 he wanted to talk about. When he handed me to the food t right, 461 00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:07,119 he told me that all that was going on around him was very stressful 462 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:13,280 and he wanted to end it tonight. While I instructed him that first of 463 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,880 all, I wasn't clear on what he meant by ending it, if he 464 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:22,239 wanted to end his life or end the ongoing investigation. His response was that 465 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,639 he wanted to speak to his attorneys because there was just too much going on 466 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:30,199 in his head and he wanted to get it out of his head now. 467 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:35,639 He made it clear to me that he wasn't suicidal and that he wanted to 468 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:42,679 confess to what was on his mind to his attorneys. Again, he said, 469 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,760 I have to end this tonight. And at this point he was demanding 470 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:52,119 to see his attorneys. He wasn't hollering, but he was standing up against 471 00:39:52,159 --> 00:39:55,880 the bars talking to me, squeezing the bars. You could see that, 472 00:39:58,159 --> 00:40:01,840 you know, the frustration in his forearms, that he wanted to speak to 473 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:07,679 his attorneys right now. He then said that he wanted to put closure to 474 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:15,360 this tonight. He then stated, I really fucked up. He then he 475 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:21,519 asked me, Divino, how big is this right now? Meaning the media 476 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:28,119 type of thing? And then he said, I think I guess he finally 477 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:35,480 realized that this is all over the place, meaning it's all over the country 478 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,159 within the news media. Did you respond to when he asked how big it 479 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:46,679 was? I told him that there's flyers around the county because that's what I 480 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:52,400 witnessed. Joseph then asked the officer if he can have the phones turned back 481 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,599 on, as they'd been turned off for the night already. He'd done this 482 00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:01,960 before for other inmates, so the officer greed. Joseph called his brother, 483 00:41:02,119 --> 00:41:07,800 and the officer tried hard to listen in on the conversation. According to the 484 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:14,000 timeline of events in this case, I'm assuming these Jael house calls weren't recorded 485 00:41:14,199 --> 00:41:21,360 for some reason, and I guess John said to mister Smith that Joe, 486 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,800 I can't hear you. I can't hear you can speak up, and Joe's 487 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:30,000 mister Smith started talking a little louder. I guess there was a big connection 488 00:41:30,119 --> 00:41:36,519 in the phone or there was noise in the background because John could not hear 489 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:43,960 mister Smith. He then said, she's between two trees, not too far 490 00:41:44,159 --> 00:41:49,599 back. He then said maybe by the tree line. And then he said 491 00:41:49,679 --> 00:41:54,039 to John. And at this point he was very emotional. His eyes were 492 00:41:54,639 --> 00:42:00,360 wading, he was choked up. He said, John, tell mom, 493 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:05,639 I'm sorry. I was not thinking right. Please tell Mom, I'm sorry. 494 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,239 Did he hang up or you think he was cut off? No, 495 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:15,199 he hung up the phone very softly and walked back through the home. After 496 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:20,800 his arrest, Smith's brother John visits him in jail, and later the brothers 497 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,559 talked by phone. Later at the trial, John Smith testified about those conversations 498 00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:32,199 and against his brother. Did he say anything about how it ended? I 499 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,639 asked he was to show what do you mean? What did you ask? 500 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,079 And try to speak up again? Remember you've got she was dead, and 501 00:42:40,199 --> 00:42:45,280 what did he say? I don't know she could be John Smith testified, 502 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,800 Joseph told him what he'd done to Carly Brusha and that the body was hidden 503 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,039 near a church. Was there an open field at the church? Yes? 504 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:58,920 John Smith tells police where to find Carly Brushaw. February fifth, two thousand 505 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,400 and four. Her body is found on the grounds of the Central Church of 506 00:43:01,519 --> 00:43:07,119 Christ in Sarasota. The body of beautiful love you, old girl, Carly 507 00:43:07,199 --> 00:43:15,119 Yusha has been found. Joseph Smith is under arrest for the abduction and murder 508 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:22,119 of Carly. Joseph's phone confession detailed that he had raped Carly in a borrowed 509 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:28,000 beige station wagon before strangling her and driving her to a field behind a church 510 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,360 on Proctor Road. In a letter to John, Joe said that he took 511 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:38,159 Carly's pink backpack and threw it into the water at Marina Jack in Sarasota. 512 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:45,039 Later on, Joe had more conversations with his mother and brother. In one 513 00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:49,679 of them, Joe's mother comforted him by telling him the best thing he could 514 00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:55,119 do was to try to explain it was an accident. Nice right. Then 515 00:43:55,440 --> 00:44:00,280 she went on to tell him she knew he would never do something like this 516 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:06,360 on purpose, but the news media and the community were all up in arms 517 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:12,920 because of the severity of his charges. Joe clarified with his mother, asking 518 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:17,360 her if she knew what his charges were in she said she did. She 519 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:23,519 also asked him what she should relay. Towards the end, the brothers seemed 520 00:44:23,519 --> 00:44:28,639 to be discussing a plan that would have made them a lot of money. 521 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:34,320 Here's a later interview of John Smith explaining what really went down during and after 522 00:44:34,559 --> 00:44:39,159 Joseph's first confession. He told me and he strangled her. You know, 523 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,000 that was what he told me when they put me together in a little jail 524 00:44:43,079 --> 00:44:47,159 cell, a little meeting there. And the reason why when I came out, 525 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:50,599 they said, well, you know, what did he say? What 526 00:44:50,679 --> 00:44:54,360 did he say? Isaiah said nothing, because he told me that he tied 527 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:59,519 her up, and I thought I'd just drove over there, let it go 528 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:05,920 like that. But after that he started sending me a letter and so forth, 529 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,480 and you know, in his own admission, and you know, he 530 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:15,079 talked to her death. John's admission is still slightly unclear, so let me 531 00:45:15,159 --> 00:45:20,119 fix that. When Joseph originally confessed to his brother, he seemed to be 532 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:24,159 under the impression that though he raped Carly and choked her out. She may 533 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:30,880 still be alive. Joseph told his brother John where he could find the body, 534 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:35,519 and John planned to drive out there to untie her, take a photo 535 00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:39,800 of her, and sell it to the media, then report his findings. 536 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:45,360 I guess they thought they would make John look like a hero, like a 537 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:52,039 Batman character. So John did actually drive out to the church with intentions to 538 00:45:52,199 --> 00:46:00,039 carry out this ridiculous plan, but he couldn't find Carly's body. Joseph's mother 539 00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:07,159 and brother seemed to be enablers, even participators. Perhaps that's the reason John 540 00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:14,440 would later testify against his brother at trial, acting as the prosecution's key witness. 541 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,360 When Carly's body was found, she was of course no longer living. 542 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:25,039 She wasn't found bound, but her extremities had marking suggesting she had been. 543 00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:32,079 She was found partially undressed, corroborating Joseph's confession of sexual assault, and they 544 00:46:32,119 --> 00:46:38,639 were marking suggesting Joseph had dragged Carly's body to its final resting place on the 545 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:45,719 ground amidst some trees. This man, who had young daughters himself, had 546 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:52,000 raped and murdered an innocent little girl. He didn't even know whether he was 547 00:46:52,079 --> 00:47:00,119 using drugs or not. He felt entitled to someone else's child for her his 548 00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:07,599 own sexual deviancy, and he jumped on the first opportunity he saw. Joseph 549 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:13,159 pleaded not guilty to the charges of first degree murder, kidnapping, in sexual 550 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:17,440 battery. He wouldn't go to trial until late two thousand and five. In 551 00:47:17,559 --> 00:47:24,400 the meantime, journalists and detectives were digging up disturbing things in Joseph's past that 552 00:47:24,519 --> 00:47:30,519 should have had him locked up long before he saw eleven year old carl Brusha 553 00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:57,639 walking alone on that fateful Super Bowl Sunday. Thirty nine year old Joseph P. 554 00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:02,039 Smith pleaded not guilty to the crimes he committed against an innocent child, 555 00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:07,559 eleven year old Carly Brushaw on February first, two thousand and four. His 556 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:14,519 DNA was found on her clothing. Her body showed evidence of strangulation and sexual 557 00:48:14,559 --> 00:48:20,679 assault, and the fibers from the station wagon Joe was driving were retrieved from 558 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:27,280 Carly's body. Joseph was unaccounted for during the exact stretch of time Carly went 559 00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:32,679 missing and was murdered. Joseph had even confessed his crimes in many different ways 560 00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:37,280 to his brother and mother. He spoke with them over the phone, he 561 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:45,480 wrote letters, and eventually his brother John Smith was called to testify against him. 562 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:52,159 This was cut and dry. It retraumatized the community to have to relive 563 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:57,480 this crime two years later, but the jury made quick work of the whole 564 00:48:57,639 --> 00:49:00,679 ordeal. You could feel the tension in the court room. The judge warned 565 00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:06,079 everyone scream or shout and you're tossed out. And then came the verdict, 566 00:49:06,119 --> 00:49:08,960 broadcast across the country. Will the jury find as follows as to count one 567 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:13,119 of the charges, the defendant is guilty of murder in the first degree as 568 00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,440 charged. Carly Bruce's mother broke down, crying and said thank you Jesus. 569 00:49:17,079 --> 00:49:22,760 Carly's father simply nodded in approval. Joseph Smith guilty on all counts. Baylis 570 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,599 to give the ring to take Smith away when the judge had to slow them 571 00:49:25,639 --> 00:49:30,800 down. I need to just slow down for one second. Smith will be 572 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,639 back in court a week from Monday when the same jury returns to recommend a 573 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,039 life or death sentence. I will now be preparing to present further evidence on 574 00:49:38,119 --> 00:49:43,159 November the twenty eighth, and will be arguing that a sentence of life in 575 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:47,679 prison without possibility of parole is the best decision in this case. I almost 576 00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:52,079 one of the most precious things to me in my life because of an animal, 577 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:58,519 a disgusting, perverted animal. The jury took five hours to pull over 578 00:49:58,599 --> 00:50:01,480 the evidence, the surveillance video, the letter that Smith sent to his brother, 579 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:06,880 and the recorded conversations between Smith and his mother where he admitted killing her. 580 00:50:07,559 --> 00:50:12,320 Joe, the best thignque you could do is just try and explain it 581 00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:16,800 with an accident. I know that, Joe. You don't think that I 582 00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:22,639 would do that off as well. And if Carly's mother could speak to Smith, 583 00:50:22,039 --> 00:50:24,920 if I could speak to him, I'd like to know why he chose 584 00:50:25,159 --> 00:50:30,840 my daughter and why he had to kill her. And I'm sure she let 585 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:35,000 him know that she was only eleven years old. How could he go through 586 00:50:35,039 --> 00:50:38,239 with it? Carly's family members weren't the only ones affected by this horrible crime. 587 00:50:39,159 --> 00:50:45,840 All of Carly's friends and classmates were on high alert. Joseph's former wives 588 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:51,320 and children had to deal with the shame of being connected to such a monster 589 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,480 and take this with a grain of salt. Given John's involvement in the aftermath 590 00:50:55,519 --> 00:51:00,960 of his brother's crimes, but he sees himself as a victim. Also, 591 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:07,760 my life, my life crashed, like you have no idea when all this 592 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,840 shit happened, and he's the cause of it. He's the direct cause of 593 00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:15,719 it. You think he cares how many legs you ruined? He doesn't give 594 00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:20,000 a fuck. All he wants is money for her comments are he does not. 595 00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:25,119 He does not give a fuck. I don't think he realizes, you 596 00:51:25,199 --> 00:51:31,079 know what he's done to everybody, But still don't you people realize who he 597 00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:36,360 is. He's a monster. The money killed a little kid. And you're 598 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,400 not gonna talk to me because I testifyed and that's crazy, but that's not 599 00:51:39,519 --> 00:51:43,400 happened. I have no family. None of my family would talk to me. 600 00:51:43,679 --> 00:51:50,679 He's my sister, so not only my whole life crash. No family 601 00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,800 talks to me. He's been rough, you know, you know, I 602 00:51:53,920 --> 00:52:00,159 die. I don't real hard and the drugs and the women since this habited 603 00:52:01,159 --> 00:52:07,840 my life, just it just it just died. I can't explain it. 604 00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:13,840 I testified, I did the right thing. None of my family talked to 605 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:21,599 me, only my sister. Nobody, not my end because it won't even 606 00:52:21,679 --> 00:52:25,280 take a Facebook request because I'm a rat. You don't talk to cold. 607 00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:30,599 That's bullshit. You know, he did something wrong, the worst crime you 608 00:52:30,679 --> 00:52:35,280 can do. You murdered, you raped it, you killed a kid. 609 00:52:36,119 --> 00:52:39,920 You know, so how could you? How could you look at me as 610 00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,440 a riot? It doesn't even have any First of all, they didn't even 611 00:52:43,519 --> 00:52:47,079 need me. They had all the events. Joseph's life was not virtuous, 612 00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:55,320 not before he murdered Carly and not after. Joseph had already been arrested thirteen 613 00:52:55,719 --> 00:53:01,559 times prior to his final act of vice violence, and he'd been on probation 614 00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:09,360 nearly constantly since nineteen ninety three, often violating the terms. Joseph's brother believes 615 00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:14,880 Joe may have also been responsible for the murder of a young woman named Tara 616 00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:21,920 Riley in Bradington, Florida, just four years before Carly's murder. Tara Riley's 617 00:53:22,039 --> 00:53:27,760 naked body was found in a retention pond behind a Bradington Walmart in two thousand. 618 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,599 Detectives looked into the case when it occurred, but it still remains unsolved 619 00:53:34,159 --> 00:53:38,599 to this day. Long story short, Joseph wasn't likely to have any willing 620 00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:45,480 character witnesses to speak on his behalf at sentencing, and a jury swiftly voted 621 00:53:45,639 --> 00:53:51,360 ten to two in favor of the death penalty. During his time on death 622 00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:55,119 row, Joseph watched TV, got some marriage proposals for some reason. I 623 00:53:55,159 --> 00:54:00,360 don't know what's wrong with you people, and his dear old mother even moved 624 00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:05,119 closer to the prison so she could visit him more often. How sweet. 625 00:54:06,119 --> 00:54:10,320 He began writing a fifty nine chapter manuscript detailing the woes of his life. 626 00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,280 Oh boy, can't wait for that on audible. In it, he blames 627 00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:20,519 all of his transgressions on his drug use. So you, poor little victim, 628 00:54:20,639 --> 00:54:23,800 poor baby, Oh, society should bend over backwards to help you. 629 00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:29,320 He and his lovely mother tried to shop the book around to publishers, but 630 00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:35,639 thankfully they weren't interested. At least some of the media hasn't gone to complete 631 00:54:35,639 --> 00:54:43,320 shit, not entirely anyway. Joseph ended up living on death row until twenty 632 00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:47,800 eighteen, when the unthinkable happened. A sun cohost prosecutor says the state will 633 00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:52,880 again see the death penalty for the killer of Carlis Busha. A four to 634 00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:57,239 three decision by the court Thursday vacates the death sentence of Joseph P. Smith, 635 00:54:57,519 --> 00:55:00,800 who was convicted of raping and murdering the eleven year old on the sun 636 00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,840 Coast in two thousand and four. In twenty sixteen, the US Supreme Court 637 00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:10,159 decision vound FDA's death penalty process unconstitutional. The held of being reports juries must 638 00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:16,480 now unanimously agree on critical findings before judges can impose death sentences. Carly's father, 639 00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:21,760 Joseph Brusia, calls the vote a travesty. It's one of two things. 640 00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:27,519 It's it's a trend of favoring the criminals over of the innocent and the 641 00:55:27,639 --> 00:55:31,360 victims. Or is it just, you know, more way for attorneys to 642 00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:36,239 make billible hours, Because it certainly doesn't make any sense. I mean, 643 00:55:36,679 --> 00:55:40,320 it's a fellest thing from justice that comes to my mind. The David Smith's 644 00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,679 new penalty phase has not yet been announced, but Brushes says he will be 645 00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:52,559 attending alongside family. Two years later, Joseph's death penalty status was reinstated. 646 00:55:52,519 --> 00:55:58,400 Then, on July twenty sixth, twenty twenty one, Joseph Smith passed away 647 00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:06,199 at Union Directional Institution in Rayford. He was fifty five years old. Carly 648 00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:12,920 Brusha was a little girl who liked classic little girl things. She had a 649 00:56:13,159 --> 00:56:17,840 lavender bedroom and a pink book bag, posters of her favorite pop stars on 650 00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:23,400 the wall, stickers all over the surfaces of the furniture in her bedroom. 651 00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:30,320 And she was an innocent little girl, so full of excitement for life. 652 00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:40,599 This degenerate fuck, this evil person, this inhuman monster, decided to take 653 00:56:40,679 --> 00:56:46,199 this sweet child away from her parents, away from her family, away from 654 00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:52,639 her friends, away from her home, away from this world. A memorial 655 00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:59,800 garden was set up for the beloved Carly, and it sits behind the Central 656 00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:07,320 Church of Christ at the spot where her body was recovered. Carly's ashes were 657 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:14,639 built into the memorial site itself. Unfortunately, Carly's mother, Susan Shorpen, 658 00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:21,599 passed away in twenty seventeen, and since then reports seemed to suggest that Carly's 659 00:57:21,639 --> 00:57:28,000 memorial has fallen into disarray. Though this was a case that law enforcement in 660 00:57:28,039 --> 00:57:32,079 the community seemed to come together in perfect harmony to solve, it was a 661 00:57:32,199 --> 00:57:39,519 case that really never should have happened. An innocent eleven year old girl made 662 00:57:39,559 --> 00:57:45,119 the impulsive decision to walk home, and there are monsters out there. She 663 00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:53,920 unfortunately encountered one of them, an evil adult man who had his own impulses, 664 00:57:54,039 --> 00:58:04,199 his own deviant mind, and zero self control. Like a wild animal 665 00:58:04,679 --> 00:58:12,559 waiting in the forest for slowly moving prey, Joseph spotted Carly and attacked. 666 00:58:22,159 --> 00:58:27,440 All right, that does it. Go check out episode three shres iverson Swordscale 667 00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,559 Television. It's one of the best ones we've done so far. I mean 668 00:58:30,639 --> 00:58:35,239 it really made me physically ill. Go check it out and stay safe.