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For thirty five years, Cindy Stumpo
has been a female home builder with a

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passion for design, a mastery of
detail, and a commitment to her crack.

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With daughter Samantha Stumpo by her side, I don't need my whole family

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on a date with me. That's
a good note. It's goddemn weird.

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See. Stumpo Development is the only
second generation female construction company in the country.

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You're crazy, You're a wacko,
You're insane. I mean, it

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just doesn't end together. Cindy and
Samantha welcome guests to explore the world of

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construction, real estate, development,
design and more. Unpredictable. Every time

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I think I know what you want, you'd switch it out. But that's

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what makes your houses all your day. Discuss anything that happens between the roof

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and the foundation. Nothing is off
limits. You truly do care about everybody.

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She can yell at chi can scream, but when you get her alone,

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she's the best person on the planet. Cindy Stumpo is tough as nails

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and welcome to Cindy Stumpo Tell the
Nails on WBZ News Radio ten thirty and

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I'm here tonight with Sammy and who
else here? What's turname? Dan?

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Demadia? Dan? What do you
do so work in real estate? Really

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give us a whole bio on you. Okay, I'll give you the whole

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bios. So thank you both for
having me toy today. Thank you for

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coming my pleasure. So I grew
up in Dennis. We won't hold that

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against you. Father was a law
enforce and retired as police chief, and

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Dennis mom was in the restaurants.
Grew up real blue collar. It's actually

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funny. I remember when I was
twelve years old. I said to my

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dad, I wanted a PlayStation.
He said sure. Two days later,

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I found myself on a plumbing truck
doing commercial and residential plumbing all the way

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up to Boston Beacon Hill Chester.
Oh. So I didn't buy you the

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PlayStation. No, I went and
bought myself after I got some money.

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Okay, I like that. I
like you, Dad, go ahead.

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So long story short, eighth grade
comes around. All my buddies were going

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to the regional high school. I
made the really unpopular decision at the time,

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which was actually the best decision I
ever made my life, was to

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go to Cape Cod Tech, which
was the vocational High School to continue learning

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plumbing. And it was really cool
because we got to go there on we

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had two weeks of shop, two
weeks of academics, which was amazing.

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But the two weeks once you get
your drivers. But how old do you

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My mask is thirty years old.
Okay, so that there's a different generational

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gap then now, so go ahead. That's great, absolutely, and that's

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definitely what we're seeing. But it
was really cool going to the vocational high

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school. And it was funny when
you know, when I decided to go

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there, everyone's like, oh,
you'll never go to college, you'll never

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be successful, it's very un sexy, so on and so forth. I

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heard that at fifty nine and when
I was in school too. So for

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my generation, if you went to
the vocational pile of the school, you

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were a grease monkey, they called
you because you're a mechanic, or you're

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the dumb kid going to learn workshop
or whatever. Right, Like I turned

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out really dumb, didn't I Yeah, really dumb? Okay, dumb move.

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But I didn't go to the vocational
end of my school, right.

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I wish I did now, But
you know, it was a label.

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It's that that that stupid label that
still exists on electricians, plumbers, h

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vacy guys like, we're just the
dumb dumbs that option in front of you,

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that all note for you to make
that choice. Well, when I

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started plumbing at twelve, I realized
that I was going to fix water heaters.

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I was going to do service calls
and you know, drinking water and

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some of these things that we have
in our home are really important. And

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going to the regional high school I
know that, but that was an option

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to learn some of these trades.
And when I learned about Cape Cod Tech

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was the two weeks that you're in
shop as soon as you get your driver's

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license you get to instead of going
to school, you go out and you

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work and you get so you're building
your aprenticeship. So they're letting you do

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an internship at this point in high
school paid internship, paid internship, which

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also goes to our apprenticeship hours.
So then you get out of trade school,

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you have well over your two thousand
hours and you can begin taking your

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classes to get your journeyman's license,
really, which is fantastic. I didn't

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know that, so I wonder if
it's like that with mid and Man two.

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I don't think so. I'd have
to check on that. Yeah.

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So it was a great experience.
And you know, everyone says you can't

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go to college. You know,
I ended up playing in three national championships

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when I was in high school all
over the country. We won state championships

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at Cape con Tech. I was
the captain of all my sports teams and

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I just was really had it.
Was on some great teams, which was

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fantastic. Eighteen years old, I
found myself playing in the Cuban National Baseball

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League Series, which was an unbelievable
experience. I ended up did going to

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college at Westfield State. Was the
captain of my baseball team there. Oh,

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so you did go to college.
You did go to college. Oh

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okay, And everyone said that there's
no way to go to college. It's

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kind of a sim You glad you
didn't fall to that peer pressure of your

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stupid friends. And now they're all
working for the plumbers and the electricians and

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the HVACY love to hear it.
Yeah. So after that, went to

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college. Found out real quick after
going to spring training with the Phillies that

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I was not going to be making
it to the big league. So I

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became an EMT and worked in emergency
medicine, got my master's degree at Westfield.

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So it's then't terrible that we really
forgot, you know. Like my

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fiance Ray, he went to Saint
Leo's for baseball and realized once he got

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down to Florida, I was good
for Reveal, but I'm not good for

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Florida. Right then it's a rude
awakening like okay, like I'm a good

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baseball player, but not that good. But I'll take the you know,

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the college and get my degree and
you know, and so on. So

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okay, you realize that day like
you weren't going to be a professional player.

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I realized very quickly that was the
case, and then I needed to

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do something out So I became an
EMT. By the way, that's holding

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youself accountable. That's a good thing
at your at that age, by the

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way. Absolutely, And then came
an EMT, worked a nine one and

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one in Springfield, got my master's
degree, and one of my buddies that

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I played in the Cape with lived
on Nantucket. So I went and did

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emergency medicine out on Nantucket for about
two and a half years. Unbelievable experience,

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you know, any shift could have
been working a code, helping to

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deliver a baby, it could have
been getting I lived on tom Nevers,

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which is at the end of the
island, so there were times when I

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get a call from the State Police
and say you need to be at the

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hospital in five minutes to hop on
a chopper to bring a trauma patient to

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MGH. They would close down Milestone
Road. I'd be going one hundred and

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twenty down Milestone Road hopping on a
chopper. And we would only fly if

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Boston MedFlight and Main MedFlight weren't flying, So we would fly during a tropical

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storm if it was really dangerous out. So you could imagine when you're working

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on patients, you know, with
the coast Guard and working in those conditions

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is very difficult. Yes, by
it was very long. I just want

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you know, you've done a lot, and and you have thirty years.

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And for the first like eighteen,
you were a kid, so you've hall

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only been in the real worl for
like maybe ten because then you went to

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college till twenty one. Yeah,
exactly, you've had nine years in the

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real world. Yeah, it sounds
like he's been the real world since twelfth

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though. Yeah, I again,
different upbringing, different philosophy, but I

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got out of that. The father
said, you want to what was the

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PlayStation? PlayStation? Go to work
and get a job, and you will

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get you a PlayStation. Best lesson
you could have learned. And I thank

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him to this day. And I
think my pack call them every day,

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both my mom and my dad,
and I thank them every day for them

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helping me make these decisions. And
it's so funny. A lot of my

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buddies that I look back that went
to the regional school I didn't even go

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to college, look back and say, man, I really wish I went

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to Cape Contec, which is so
even at thirty years old, that stigma

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was still there for you. Yes, do you think now in twenty twenty

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four that stigma's finally dying? Now? Okay, hold on, I have

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my opinion too. I'm going to
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you answered because you're in that field, You're you're I really don't. I

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would have to agree with both of
you. It's a very unsexy thing for

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people to talk about. Oh so
it still is unsexy from an icee.

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Yeah, well, let me give
you my opinion. I think it's sexy.

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You're pretty sexy over there, miss
brunette over there. Now my blondie

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is brunette over there. And I've
never found construction to be not sexy.

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By the way, okay, and
by the way, I'm the type of

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person that if you told me go
left, I went right anyway. So

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I didn't listen to either right.
So I didn't care what you had to

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say, and I didn't here my
parents are very proud to say my daughter

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was a general contractor, and they
got to a point where, oh,

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you mean your son in law.
No, that's my daughter's company, not

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my son law's company. It's thirty
six years later and people still say to

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my parents, your sun laws killing
it out there like you that dumb does

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it say? J period snumbo,
We'll see period snumpo. I don't think

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we try to make a difference.
I was on HGTV and we all got

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together and we tried to make a
run on trying to tell people being like

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Christians, plumbers, HVAC guys and
women are is a sexy trade. You'll

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make a lot of money stigma,
but a lot of them schools are weightlessed.

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Now that is the time I know, but because they're weightlessed Sammy.

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First of all, we had a
good opportunity to help build a minute Man

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built on off our radio show,
for sure, and we brought them to

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the Ellen Degenerate Show, not Ellen
carry Connick, so Harry Connick. It's

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just just said Harry Connick. And
then we end up on the Harry Connick

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Show with them and that was a
big deal. So we help man build

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there and then they were fully loaded. But again it's still there because I've

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talked to enough parents in the last
ten years where they say to me,

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well, Cindy, I want my
son to be a doctor, my daughter

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be a lawyer. And I always
said, that's great, that's wonderful.

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Is your kid a an AB student
or a CD student CD? So why

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do you want to put them through
four more years of stress? Is your

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kid at doudler you know what I
mean, like doodles around? It's good

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at their hands. Yes, there
goes to show you. But it's again

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I blame parents because parents always want
to vicariously live with their children. You've

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already had your time. Your time
is up. Whatever you decide to do,

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you're doing. Let your kids do
something constructive. Let them feel good

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what they do. But the big
one is, and I will debate this,

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the guys that work at C Stumble
Development, whether subcontractors or not,

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make more money than the average doctor, average lawyer, average accountant with no

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student debt period and a story.
Hold my thought, we're going to break.

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I'm Sitty Stumbling and listening Toughest Nails
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by Floor and Decor, National Lumber
and Village Back and welcome back to Toughest

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Nails on WBZ News Radio ten third
and I'm City Stumpo and I'm here with

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Sammy and Dan Mario. Okay,
damn pick it up for what I just

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said. What I just said was
that I feel parents stop their children because

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they want them to be an accountant, doctor, lawyer. And I said

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to you, my guys make more
than the average doctor, average lawyer,

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average accountant. I domean the brain
surgeon that's going into your brain and removing

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a tumor. And I'm not talking
about the cardiologists that's actually in their plane

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with your heart, talking about the
interness whatever, the average real estate lawyer,

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the ambulance chaser. I'm not talking
about the big criminal attorney. I'm

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not talking about the accountant that you
know works as partners at Price water House,

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the average accountant. Okay, can
you debate me on that? Yeah,

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no, I couldn't agree more.
And those brain surgeons, as you

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very well know, they're not getting
out and starting to make that money until

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they're probably in their forty their forties
exactly. Oh you know where where folks

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in the trades have already made millions
of dollars by that point, you know,

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when they get out of school,
which good point. So no,

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I couldn't couldn't agree more with that, And I couldn't be prouder to say,

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I look at look back from guys
that went to Cape Contech, didn't

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go to college, and now they're
making you know, a quarter million more

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than that a year owning their companies
on the Cape and the Islands and expanding

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to the South Shore and into Boston. And again you know a lot of

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the that went to the regional school
now working for these folks in the back

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office that are the admint work because
they just never had the opportunity, they

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never took the initiative to go learn
a trade. And as we all know,

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the trades and the backbone and the
bedrock of our community here in Massachusetts

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and across the country. Well here
it is. Kids are not coming into

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the trades, okay. They want
to be YouTube famous, TikTok famous,

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whatever they want to be, okay, And again one percent will turn out

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to be and make a lot of
money. Who's the guy the Beast boys

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would have Beastie Man whatever his name
is. Huh, I don't know the

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Beast guy, mister beast whatever he
is. He's making millions and millions of

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moons alls. I don't ever you
talking them out. You don't even follow

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no, oh you need to.
But that's the one percent that will make

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it on you know, TikTok YouTube. The real world is getting out there

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and making a living and getting our
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make a living and stand on their
own two feet. But again, I

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would have to say, you got
to love your job. If you don't

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love your job, then it's a
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as it's a job I have fun
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now. I'm fifty nine, right, thirty six years. I think that's

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a long enough time in construction and
development. I think, I like have

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ran my course, but that's what
gets me up every morning. What can

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people do? What can you do
to make a difference in these parents' brains?

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I know your generation calls in the
mindset. I don't. I don't

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even like that word. What's the
other word? I don't like sammy manifest.

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Yeah, I want to manifest that
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years old again and I'm a supermodel. I don't believe in any of that.

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I believe in knowledge in action.
You learn the knowledge you take the

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action. The more action, the
more knowledge you learn. It goes to

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Ferris Wheel, knowledge and action.
Got there, learn a little bit,

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take action. Action brings you knowledge. More knowledge brings you more action.

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Before you know it, your daughter, your son that's a plumber, owns

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a plumbing house that's employing fifty at
one hundred people out there being plumbers right

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the hardest trade right now to find
the good plumbers right now? For me,

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some people say electricians say right now, it's plumbers because they extended the

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school time. So for me,
plumbers are seemed to be the harder trade

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to find right now, but in
less than five years. You're gonna call

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a plumber and you're gonna say my
water heat I think blue, and they're

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gonna say, okay, give me
a credit card. Then we'll come out.

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Then we'll diagnose the problem. And
this is what's gonna cost you.

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I'll take that all day long.
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not to get into the trades.
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agree more into the sentiment you just
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something, then you teach something.
That's how you really master action, knowledge,

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action and knowledge. What's the sense, Dan? I have this question.

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There are people your age, especially
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six years. You all read read, read, read, read, Okay,

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you get all the knowledge, and
then you read another book on how

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to be successful. Then you list
all these idiots on these social devices that

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go you can do it. But
you've never done nothing with your life.

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So stop talking to talk and say
you've walked the walk. And then you're

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telling people this this, like do
this, do that. So I have

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all these people that read books how
to be successful. Dan, I've never

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read a book on how to be
successful. I've never read one book on

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how to be successful. I don't
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be successful. I don't need to
write read a book. It's common sense.

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It's going out doing the right thing, building your business, being a

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good human being, and everything else
will follow. Do what you say,

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say what you're going to do.
I need to read somebody else's life to

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know how to be successful. But
the point is, I know people have

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read ten twelve books and have taken
no action on it. So what do

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you do? You get all this
knowledge, but then you do nothing with

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the knowledge. So that's why I
say knowledge and action go together. As

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one read all the books, I
think that they're trying to find a reason

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to be inspired, but they have
to be inspired by themselves to actually do

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it. Agreed that percent Again,
like I'm going to say, you can

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read, read, read, but
if you don't take the action, then

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what's the sense of the knowledge?
I hate reading. I hate reading too,

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Okay, all three of us hate
in school. Who are we getting?

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Okay? I always got slow reading
comprehension It still exists at thirty six.

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Okay, I think we all got
some comprehension problem. But when we

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found all three of us what we'd
love to do. Yep, who's better

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than us at what we do?
Nobody. It's just finding what your passion

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is. And once you find that
passion is no stopping whether you're a good

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student or a bad student. I'll
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I will put ninety nine percent of
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and very proud to say that.
Could I say that at twenty three and

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at thirty three, absolutely not.
By thirty five thirty six, absolutely could

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start to say that I felt good, by the way, because they rag

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on me all the time. They're
still ragging on me. It's thirty six

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years later, and I don't care. So if I could take the beatdowns

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out here, you take the beatdowns
out here. Good. No, couldn't

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agree more. It's funny. A
lot of the folks that are reading these

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ten twelve books, you know,
they'll what they'll do is they'll find the

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quote they'll post on Instagram. One
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our generations, your generations before us, not my generation, definitely not your

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generation, your generation, our generation, the ones and the ones younger than

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us. And but you know,
there's a real big difference between motivation and

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discipline people and get all motivated raw
rah for a couple of days, and

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they find something doesn't work for a
week and then they just move on to

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something else. I would call the
attention span of a fleet. But go

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ahead. Yeah, And unfortunately that
is our generation with the social media and

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being addicted to their screens instead of
you know, I'm even getting like that

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maybe longer than fifty nine seconds on
bored Yes, understood. And I mean

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if you put ten people that work
in accounting or surgeons or people in all

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these different issues, not in the
trades, in a room and said there's

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a leaky faucet over there, and
ask them to try to fix that faucet.

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They're not going to open the faucet
and look for the little O ring

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that's probably messed up. Right,
They're going to call and say we need

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a new foster. We're going to
need new this, We're going to need

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to do that. So, just
to your point, they're being able to

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work with your hands. I'm being
in college. I would do playing baseball

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on the weekends. I would do
a couple of service calls, and I'd

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have a thousand bucks in my pocket
when none of my buddies had any money.

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So I was always buying at dinners. I was buying this, I

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was buying whatever. Are you a
virgo of cancer? Cancer? I always

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pick them done. I see amy
pics. Who am I caking? I'm

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a piscey. That's even worse.
Yeah, okay, you're a piscey.

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So you just had a birthday,
hadday. So pisces are very generous people.

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Cancers are very generous people. But
we're also very empathetic people. Yes,

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we care about people. That's our
biggest prom. Yeah, as Ray

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says, when Cinny says she's done
with you, she's just getting started you

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too. By the way, when
Samantha says she's done, she's done,

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got it, she's an ares.
She's done. She had not few.

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We we just come back from more, more and more. We just like

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that. So again, you come
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the trades with no debt. Let's
talk about that. You're spending four years

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going to college. You don't even
know what you want when you come out.

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So you do four more years of
high school, which is called liberal

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lots, and you have all this
debt and you're making eighteen dollars an hour.

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Where's the philosophy? It's absolutely crazy. Again, kids belong in school.

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I never will ever put down school. It's just going to be for

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the right kid. And you got
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That's it. Absolutely And then most
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had good parents because they sat down
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them and they were in line with
what you want to do. I thank

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god, I'm very lucky to have
the best parents in the world. Hey,

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parents said listening right now, he
had good parents. You might want

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to take a page out of their
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You raised a good kid here.
Good. No, I couldn't agree

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more. And it's just cool like
going to school and actually getting the hands

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on like going to work and you're
not just sitting behind the desk all day

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reading a book. To your point, going out there learning things, putting

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your hands into places and actually touching
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it's just such an important important skill
to have. And the text schools in

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the high school, and I know
the ones post high school. I mean,

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you're making money when you're going out
with these apprenticeship programs, which is

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just absolutely fantastic. Can you get
into that so people understand People don't always

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understand a printce programs our business.
What becomes a journey man? Can you

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break that down? Take it through
how a plumber starts to where he becomes.

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Yeah, so summer starts off as
apprentice. Okay, explain to people

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what an apprentice means. So an
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So apprentice means that you're working under
a master plumber for around two thousand

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hours. After you do your two
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can apply to go to Journeyman School, which they have in the Cape that's

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in Highness. Once you go to
the journey Well that break. I'm sorry

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they're sticking the liddle in my face. Yeah, I'm sidy stumping you.

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Toughest Nail WBZ. Who's ready at
ten thirty And I'm here with who hear

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me stumping? Thank you and Dan
Demadio and my boot and I'm city stump.

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But we have one thing in common. All three of us know what

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that is tenacity. No, we
all have always at the end of our

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name. God, what's wrong with
you people? You all really have a

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comprehension problem. You didn't even notice
that one. Okay, go ahead,

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No, I couldn't agree more so
after the apprenticeship program, but the two

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thousand I was in two thousand apprenticeship
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which I think is you can spread
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two years, depending on how fast
do you want to do it.

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Explain what Journeyman's school is so people
really understand it's actually working out in the

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field and in the classroom. Yeah, so it's a ton of classroom hours.

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I think it's around fifteen hundred class
hours. It could have changed a

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little bit. Now you can do
it online. You can do it online.

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There are options to do it online, which is great, which you

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can do it at your convenience.
You work during the day and if you

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want to do some stuff at night
or early morning. It allows you to

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kind of accelerate the program. So
the difference in pay in Massachusetts, I'm

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a journeyman. We don't know,
let's not even talk union to apprentice is

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how much money? Pretty significant?
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you're making about how much an hour? So that was thirty five okay,

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I pay that to labors an hour
an hour. See how the world's

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changing. Yes, okay, So
the plumber apprentice is making thirty five dollars

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an hour, and once he makes
that journeyman position, he makes how much

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he's probably billing out the company at
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Okay? And then one day the
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the master plumber, and he has
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the subs like that's the running joke. When she sees have boats like that,

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it's like, dude, that's the
wrong name on a boat. Absolutely,

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but do you see where I'm going
that eighty dollars an hour? And

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then if your union the union rates
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so union rates are even more than
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and I think for me, and
I was union for many years and open

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shop clothes shop unions are great for
kids. I think that need the discipline,

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that need to be at work at
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seven, have your coffee at ten, have your lunch, check out a

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three, go golf the rest of
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whole day after three o'clock. So
I sometimes think and I see the money

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the unions are spending to get kids
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They are spending millions, but then
they get the first pick at all the

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good kids, right that are coming
out. The girls are getting in the

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unions. You know. It's I
see a positive the era, but the

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residential division, I don't see it
as much. And the sad part about

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my career is I've got to work
with the best of the best. When

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men actually showed up at six thirty
in the morning, our job sites were

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going at seven oh one, equipment
was up and running. No one's walking

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in with their Stabucks coffee. So
we have two types of crew guys.

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Right, we get the donkeys while
I'm holding and then we got the what's

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the stop wars? Starbucks? Thank
you Starbucks. So my pretty boys with

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the Starbucks and my real men creak
donkeys. Right. I always say that,

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But the old days they came with
their thermosis. They came with their

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lunch, their wife packed them lunch, and I got to work with the

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best of the best. So when
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six years ago to now, somewhere
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I used to say I on a
development and a construction company. Now I

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just say I own an adult day
care center because all I do every morning

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for three four hours is chase men
around. Guys, not the older guys,

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the younger guys. Where are I'm
on one twenty a dude? Was

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there a snow star in July that
I don't know about? Because you've been

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on one twenty eight for two days
late? Stop just stop right now,

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Okay. So I must be the
only woman that's been chasing men around most

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of my career, right. And
I don't even want to have sex with

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you, Budy, Okay. I
just want you to come to work.

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Okay. Is that really a lot
to ask? So that's what I've seen,

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and that's you, my daughter.
You guys have never seen that generation

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of men's when men were men and
they came to work and they were actually

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proud of their work, and they
were skilled labor, and they got on

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their backs, and they plastered ceilings
on on scaffolding, doing designs on my

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ceiling, not applied molding. This
is what I saw. Now, you're

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lucky if a guy knows the difference
between two by four and two by six.

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And that's really the truth. So
it's only going to get worse.

406
00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:30.039
So what can we do because parents
are listening right now, right, what

407
00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:33.839
can you teach these parents to say, listen, stop being so stubborn in

408
00:24:33.880 --> 00:24:37.559
the way you think, and stop
being with your girlfriends having to say,

409
00:24:37.960 --> 00:24:41.720
oh, my kid's going north East, then my kid's going to be you.

410
00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:47.680
My kids going to University of Miami. Be proud of what choices your

411
00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:51.519
kid makes. Be proud because that
kid's not coming back to your basement to

412
00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:56.599
live right or wrong? Right?
Yeah, okay, No, couldn't agree

413
00:24:56.640 --> 00:24:59.400
more. And I mean, I'm
definitely proud of being in the trades.

414
00:24:59.440 --> 00:25:02.319
And I I think, as again
mentioned, as folks get older, they

415
00:25:02.359 --> 00:25:03.720
realize how important they are again going
back to they are the better rock of

416
00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:07.279
the communities here and across the country. So without the trades, without people

417
00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:11.200
building, without development, you know, there could be no more businesses,

418
00:25:11.240 --> 00:25:14.200
there could be no innovation, there
could be no of these beautiful things that

419
00:25:14.279 --> 00:25:17.519
are happening here in Massachusetts that you
folks are working on all the time.

420
00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:21.480
So well, let's look at this
way. We're seven million houses short right

421
00:25:21.519 --> 00:25:23.160
now in the country. We're in
a housing crisis, right you know that?

422
00:25:23.319 --> 00:25:26.799
Yes, Okay, how are you
going to make up that housing crisis?

423
00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:32.640
Hear me out? First of all, products are way up, and

424
00:25:32.720 --> 00:25:37.000
they've been up since COVID and they're
not leveling. The only thing that's come

425
00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:40.440
down in my business lumber, and
it's still double than what was in twenty

426
00:25:40.640 --> 00:25:45.359
nineteen. Okay, concretes up.
Pello just went up on windows. And

427
00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:47.799
by the way, we don't get
like three months notice, we get like

428
00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:51.680
a week notice. So if you
start taking the numbers we're spending on product,

429
00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:56.200
you stop paying that skill gap right
for skilled labor. We pay skilled

430
00:25:56.279 --> 00:26:02.079
labor out there, We pay laborers
what we're paying laborers to just keep job

431
00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:04.359
sites clean. And then the interest
rate, if you need to borrow money

432
00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:10.640
from the bank, that's a problem
right there, So you cannot catch up

433
00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:15.759
on the housing supply. You're looking
at thirty years, twenty five years.

434
00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:19.160
Interest rates need to come down.
Place needs to come down. We get

435
00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:22.759
to get to a new norm.
But right now the subs are naming their

436
00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:27.440
prices and they're getting it and we're
paying it as builders because we're paying for

437
00:26:27.559 --> 00:26:32.960
responsible, reliable, and dependable.
Do you hear what I'm saying? You're

438
00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:36.799
responsible, you're reliable, and you're
dependable. You're worth twenty percent more to

439
00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:40.839
me because you're going to show up, you're going to come to work,

440
00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:42.319
and you're gonna be there on time, and you like what you do.

441
00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:47.559
I'm going to add twenty percent onto
that for coming and then knowing what you

442
00:26:47.680 --> 00:26:52.160
know. Do you see the difference
what we as builders the new builders.

443
00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:55.839
I don't know what they're thinking.
The days are sitting with a subcontractor and

444
00:26:55.960 --> 00:27:00.960
try to negotiate their contract down.
That ain't happening. H. Just don't

445
00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:04.640
hire the guy that's got five things
on the truck that says we do windows,

446
00:27:04.759 --> 00:27:10.640
gutns, insulation, finish work,
flooring, stayway flows. Dudes,

447
00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:14.359
Okay, they're master of everything and
mayment of nothing. Is that the same?

448
00:27:14.599 --> 00:27:17.480
M H. Find the guys.
If you're going to hire guys in

449
00:27:17.559 --> 00:27:21.519
your home to do work that specialize
in that, don't go for the cheapest

450
00:27:21.559 --> 00:27:26.079
bid. Go for the moderate bid. Do your references, get good references

451
00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:27.839
on these guys, Let them come
in your home, hire them for your

452
00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:33.000
businesses. Do you agree? Couldn't
agree more. And it's it's just absolutely

453
00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:36.400
insane to me that you have to
pay somebody a premium just to show up

454
00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:38.680
on time. I mean, that
is just Yeah, that's called being responsible,

455
00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:41.759
liable, and dependable. Yes,
I pay you for that. It's

456
00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:44.359
just unbelievable that that's even a thing. I mean, I feel like back

457
00:27:44.359 --> 00:27:45.039
in the day of showing up,
that was just you were there early.

458
00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:48.000
If you're no, that was you
were supposed to do that. Yeah,

459
00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:52.960
because you want to hold your job
with that company. You want to prove

460
00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:56.720
yourself with that company. You want
to show that person that you come with

461
00:27:56.920 --> 00:28:02.400
value. In our world today,
all you need to show somebody like me

462
00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:07.480
is you care and I'll love you
for the rest of the time I have

463
00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:11.160
out here. Right. So,
but Sammy, we're kind of very unusual.

464
00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:15.799
Our subs have been with us from
ten years to thirty six years.

465
00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:21.319
Yeah, and the only way we've
lost ever suba SI stampo is retirement of

466
00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:26.519
death. It's called loyalty. I
give you loyalty. You get. If

467
00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:30.480
you're mister plumber, you get first
shot everything. Second plumber that comes on,

468
00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:34.359
he gets second shot, third,
third, keep going. I'm loyal

469
00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:37.799
to you. I expect loyalty back. Some of these kids come in,

470
00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:40.720
they don't know what loyalty is.
But let me tell you. When they

471
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:42.880
do an internship with me. Every
summer we take on ten twelve kids,

472
00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:48.440
they know what loyalty is real fast, and I teach them loyalty because that's

473
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:55.440
a word most people don't know unless
you're born a Pisces Virgo cancer. Well,

474
00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:57.559
the signs, what the water signs? Yeah, we're all loyal.

475
00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:03.079
Out of the way Scorpio Pisces cancer
our water signs, I don't know,

476
00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:07.839
just a certain signs that will oil
Virgo's crazy. But they'll be very loyal

477
00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:11.799
too. But okay, what are
you guys doing to make kids come in

478
00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:15.480
and understand? Yeah, So the
biggest thing for us is we're trying to

479
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:19.079
educate and get the community to and
get involved too. So meeting with you

480
00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:22.160
know, elected or appointed officials,
talking about you know, how do we

481
00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:25.680
in these middle schools talk to you
know, the importance of Hey, guys,

482
00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:26.839
when you're going to the cafeteria and
you're you're getting a drink out of

483
00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:29.759
the water fountain. You're getting drink
out of here. You know, it's

484
00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:32.279
fixing that. You know who's you
know? You know why you have these

485
00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:34.400
things. It's because of the folks
working in the trades that maintain the buildings

486
00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:37.279
and to do all these things.
So I think just educating at a younger

487
00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:41.039
age. I mean I knew very
young that if the water heater wasn't working,

488
00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:44.160
we weren't having taking a shower.
Correct, no hot water? Yeah,

489
00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:45.799
so no water, no water,
no water at all because the tank

490
00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:48.599
dried out. So it's just emptied
out on all of your floor, of

491
00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:52.119
your basement or wherever you And that's
how that thought, we're coming, We're

492
00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:53.240
going to break. We'll be right
back. I'm city stumbling. You listen

493
00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:59.359
to Tough as Nails all well,
Sammy WBZ News Radio ten their sponsored by

494
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:03.200
new Brook Real Group, Boston Wood
Smaller Insurance, World Auto Body and Tosca

495
00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:19.960
Drive Auto Body. I'm waiting and
I'm sty stump on. You listen to

496
00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:25.000
Toughest Nails on WBZ News Radio ten
thirty. And I'm here with a bunch

497
00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:29.680
of o's. What's your name,
Sammy Stumpo and Dan Demadio. Okay,

498
00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:32.039
damn, before I hit the mic
over to you for the fourth segment,

499
00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:34.720
I'm just gonna remind people, mister
missus Jones out there, better listen.

500
00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:38.519
Listen. Good your water heater breaks
in the next I don't know, maybe

501
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:41.799
three years, four years, five
years. Good luck finding Sammy to replace

502
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:45.920
it. Good luck finding a guy
to come out and not charge you an

503
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:49.240
almond leg to change your water heater. And by the way, you'll be

504
00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:52.640
living in a hotel for five days
because what happens Dan, when a water

505
00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:56.160
heater blows you have no water?
Was that that be just hot? Or

506
00:30:56.319 --> 00:31:00.640
in cold? Hot and cold?
Thank you? And you can't but pressia

507
00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:02.680
te do how do you live in
a house with no water? You have

508
00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:06.079
no water? Okay, take home
there. I want my listeners to know

509
00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:08.799
everything that you do. Yeah,
no, thank you very much. Yeah.

510
00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:11.039
I couldn't agree more about the trades. So, by the way,

511
00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:15.720
can you supply me with subcontractors?
I can absolutely supply you with subcontractors.

512
00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:18.400
So I'm down three guys, and
I need three guys. I just call

513
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:22.559
your company and say send me over. Blah blah blah, you can call

514
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:25.200
my company cook and Sons and yeah. But by the way, my new

515
00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:30.359
word is blah blah blah. That's
called meta what pause, bray, thank

516
00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:33.319
you, go ahead, No,
absolutely, So what we're doing at Cape

517
00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:38.279
Tech and with Cooking Sons my consulting
firm is we're putting together a repository of

518
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:44.160
plumbers that journeyman, master plumbers,
electricians, HVAC, volts, really automotive.

519
00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:48.000
There's sixteen different trades and sixteen different
types of industries that we work with.

520
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:51.599
And essentially, if we have somebody
call us in a certain demographic area

521
00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:55.640
where we have an alumni graduate,
we call, make the introduction and they

522
00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:56.640
kind of work things out, send
the quote, go take a look at

523
00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:00.559
the job, so on and so
forth. So it's really good. So,

524
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:02.279
as I mentioned that, I'm the
chairman of the Cape cod Tech Alumni

525
00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:06.759
Association, where essentially the board is
made up of folks. Let me let

526
00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:09.440
me hold you the how do people
reach you there? So they can reach

527
00:32:09.559 --> 00:32:15.000
me at my email which is d
Demadio at Capetech dot us. I'll ask

528
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:16.880
you that again at the end of
the show, but go ahead. Just

529
00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:21.920
want people know perfect thank you,
and what we're really looking to do is

530
00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:25.160
promote because Cindy mentioned I had somebody, had somebody call last week and say,

531
00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:29.160
hey, something's up with my water
heater. I live in Brewster and

532
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:30.599
you know, they said they can't
come up for two weeks. And it's

533
00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:34.440
just you know, that's we're starting
to see a lot of that different stuff.

534
00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:37.839
And you know, to Cindy's point, if if you do go out

535
00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:40.319
in a quicker fashion, I mean, the premium is going up thirty percent,

536
00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:43.480
which as we know, with inflation, a lot of folks can't pay

537
00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:45.519
these bills. Is are very expensive
and plumbers do not come cheap and I

538
00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:50.279
do not ever see them coming any
cheaper than they are currently are right now.

539
00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:53.079
No, so the new norm is
going up, not down. Absolutely

540
00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:58.000
So I saw statistic recently too.
You know, the average master plumber in

541
00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:00.119
the countries in their forties exact,
and ask you that, did you know

542
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:05.400
that the average plumbers in their forties
and the average electrician is the same.

543
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:09.279
So what's going to happen if new
people don't come in the business. We

544
00:33:09.400 --> 00:33:12.920
can't build, We can'ts twenty years. You got no more plumbers. They're

545
00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:15.880
gonna go out, They're gonna go
out absolutely, and you know, you

546
00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:17.759
look at these other jobs around the
country where AI is starting to become a

547
00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:22.599
component to those companies, and kind
of AI can't build houses. AI cannot

548
00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:27.640
come out and plumb your house.
AI cannot do electrical AI is great,

549
00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:31.319
it's wonderful for architects, civil engineers. I'm using it for emails now.

550
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:36.559
It's a great tool until it can
build and come in and fix your house

551
00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:40.279
or fix your leky roof you get
here with a snowstorm. I don't even

552
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:44.799
want to hear about it until we
have robarts. Is that the word?

553
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:47.640
Yes, I pronounce my ass you'r
ai. Okay, we don't have it

554
00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:52.119
in our industry yet, so it's
like a dumb conversation right for us to

555
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:55.839
even have because we don't have any
of that. It doesn't serve us a

556
00:33:55.880 --> 00:34:00.440
purpose in our world. Absolutely,
And to that point to kind of run

557
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:01.480
in alignment there, it's you know, do you want to talk about job

558
00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:05.839
security? I mean, the trades
is probably the most secure job to get

559
00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:09.039
into in the world because of that
specific reason. So for a younger generation,

560
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:13.000
I mean, I would be flocking
to get into the trades because these

561
00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:15.800
folks that are in their forties are
going to retire in the next ten fifteen

562
00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:19.039
years, and it's just going to
be all the taking for the folks that

563
00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:22.920
are the experts and are hyper focused
in their craft. Okay, do you

564
00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:27.719
understand that we started taping Tough as
Nails on HGTV what yes say? In

565
00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:30.960
two thousand and nine to ten,
nine to ten we talked about this.

566
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:37.519
It's twoenty and twenty four. I
discussed this on Bloomberg Radio more than what

567
00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:43.199
was that twenty eleven they came into
Boston. I was talking so over those

568
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:45.639
reporters heads. They're like, what
are you talking about? What skill gap?

569
00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:49.239
But nobody was listening. I could
feel it, and I said,

570
00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:53.639
after the Oway crisis, guys are
going in and getting full time jobs or

571
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:59.280
they're tiring out right, So we're
going to have a problem here. If

572
00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:02.360
you, if you any common sense, you saw this coming. Nobody sawt

573
00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:07.039
coming. Mike Homes did, Mike
ro did. They spent a lot of

574
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:12.320
time. You know, both great
guys, love them. But I thought

575
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:15.119
we weren't making a difference. So
I'm out, I'm stepping out right.

576
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:19.159
So I push it on radio all
the time, but me running to schools

577
00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:22.519
talking to students. No way,
I'm done done doing that because the parents

578
00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:28.159
are just they're blind. They were
blinders on, so go ahead finishing.

579
00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:30.400
No, they absolutely do put blinders
on. And again I feel so fortunate

580
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:34.280
that growing up very young, at
a young age, I understand the importance

581
00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:37.079
of trades. But I really think
it's up to our communities. It's up

582
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:39.800
to our state and local government to
kind of, you know, educate folks,

583
00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:43.639
maybe provide some type of subsidies,
because if we don't get people in

584
00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:45.639
the trades again, we cannot continue
to innovate. Massachusetts known as one of

585
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:50.360
the most innovative places in the country, arguably the world. So if you

586
00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:53.000
know, we're definitely going to see
a shortage in the labor and if we

587
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:57.039
don't do something about it, whether
it is a shortage, sorry the idea,

588
00:35:57.320 --> 00:36:00.159
yep, only to get worse,
to get worse, but go ahead,

589
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:02.239
No, only to get worse.
And we're in time, We're in

590
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:05.960
a huge housing crisis, that one
of the bigger housing crisis I think that

591
00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:08.039
we'll probably see in our time.
And so in order to do that,

592
00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:12.559
we really do need to get folks
in the trades. And that's what you're

593
00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:15.599
doing, and that's exactly what we're
doing. So again, I need a

594
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:19.880
plumbing company or is it that I
just need one plumber to join in on

595
00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:22.039
my crew. I can call you, you can call me, So you

596
00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:28.039
supply one or two guys and they
can jump on my plumbing crew, one

597
00:36:28.119 --> 00:36:30.480
or two electricians, they can jump
on my life. Explain. Yeah,

598
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:32.920
So we can kind of assess situation, learn a little bit more about the

599
00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:36.960
project. Where the resources that you're
kind of looking forward are the skill sets

600
00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:37.920
you're looking for. You're looking for
an apprentice, you looking for a journeyan,

601
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:39.800
and you're looking for somebody that can
come do the rough finish, so

602
00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:44.079
on and so forth. So we'll
really kind of assess the situation, teriologist

603
00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:46.599
situation, then identify the resources that
we appropriate for the job. And these

604
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:51.000
kids are aging from what to what? So it spans, I mean,

605
00:36:51.079 --> 00:36:54.440
you know, from twenty five to
forty really, so Cape Contech's been so

606
00:36:54.519 --> 00:36:58.559
the high school was nineteen seventy five, so we're actually coming up on our

607
00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:02.400
fifty year anniversary and sense nineteen seventy
five, we've averaged putting forty students from

608
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Cape con Tech into the Cape and
Islands and the south Shore and Boston workforce,

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which is significant. That's a big
one because we get more calls to

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go to the Islands, and I'm
not coming to the Islands anymore. Those

611
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days are long gone for me,
long gone, right, Sammy, I

612
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can't. I can't do the islands
transport everything over the boat. Oh my

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god. That's like a disaster.
And the truth is, the island they

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don't really want us. They don't
the Islanders don't want Mainland guys coming over

615
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there and working. Right, even
though you guys got a big alcohol problem

616
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over there. Okay, we big
huge over there, but huge. And

617
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my clients call me, they have
homes there and there's nothing can do,

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can't help you. They're waiting months
for a tracy. They're waiting months for

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everything over there. Yeah. I
lived on Nantucka for a couple of years,

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and they're exactly right. They definitely
keep trying to keep everything in house.

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Yeah, try to keep everything for
themselves out there and take care of

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the people out there, because I
mean, it is very, very difficult

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to live out there and the off
season folks that live over there full time.

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But I will say it is definitely
a community. I mean, working

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in the hospital. I mean,
someone would come into the er, for

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example, and if they didn't,
the taxis weren't running in the middle of

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the winter. I mean, I
would just drive them home. And that's

628
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just kind of how people just drove
the drove home. Yeah, it's just

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kind of people. Everyone takes care
of each other over there. And to

630
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your point about kind of promoting doing
the right things, I mean, I've

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told anyone that I work with it's
worked for me in the past, so

632
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on and so forth. You know, if you always, always, always

633
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try to do the right thing in
every single situation, there's two things that

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are going to happen. Number One, you're gonna sleep pretty damn good at

635
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night. And number two, if
you made a mistake, you can always

636
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explain the route as to why you
made that decision. Are you sure that's

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not my kid? You wish?
But I wish. Where's Chad when you

638
00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:40.880
need him to hear the conversation?
And he's Chad's age. So you see

639
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how you have philosophy is you're a
lot like me. I was like you

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at thirty. I don't change this
is who I am. So just listening

641
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:52.119
to you talk is just like a
breath of fresh. Yeah, well it's

642
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an honor for you to compare yourself
to me. That means a lot.

643
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So thank you for You're very welcome. But that's the truth. So what

644
00:38:57.239 --> 00:39:00.920
I when I always meet people that
your age that speak the way you do.

645
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:06.599
I look at you guys as phenoms. Now you're not living in Disney

646
00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:08.039
World going yeah, I'm gonna be
TikTok famous. Yeah, I would be

647
00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:12.719
Instagram famous. You can do that, and maybe you will be. But

648
00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:15.480
get a job during the day and
then do that as your side hustle,

649
00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:19.400
right, absolutely, and maybe a
side hustle will become your main hustle.

650
00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:23.239
Absolutely, So I keep talking.
Tell me what else? No, No,

651
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:25.639
I could couldn't agree more. Yeah, just get to work. I

652
00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:28.800
mean at the end of the day, Like if you people that wake up

653
00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:30.400
and don't get tough, I just
don't get it. You got to just

654
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:31.800
get to work. Do something,
Go learn something, go do something,

655
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:34.920
make a mistake, do it again, jump on the horse, and just

656
00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:38.000
keep grinding. So if there's any
builders listening to you right now and they

657
00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:42.360
need guys to jump on their cruise, they can get in touch with you.

658
00:39:42.519 --> 00:39:44.920
They can absolutely get in touch with
me. So you need people like

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00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:49.559
me to hire your people coming out
of school. Am I correct? Absolutely,

660
00:39:49.719 --> 00:39:53.440
and place them absolutely with HVAC companies, plumbing companies, electrical companies,

661
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:59.320
good companies that are going to pay
them, absolutely right, because those guys

662
00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:04.280
like the worst because they great guys, but collecting money, and builders are

663
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:06.840
always trying to hurt them, you
know, they're always trying to sink the

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00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:08.800
subs and then they can't. They
don't have the money to pay the guys.

665
00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:12.239
So you got to learn how to
be a little bit of a businessman

666
00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:15.800
too, That's what. And I've
taught all my guys that, like,

667
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:19.840
don't tolerate anybody not paying you.
All that thought, I'm stay stumbling.

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You listen to Top of Nails on
WBZ News Radio ten thirty and welcome back

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to Toughest Nails on WBZ News Radio
ten thirty. Go ahead, buddy,

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00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:35.440
take us out. Yeah, so
thank thank you all very much for having

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me here today. So to kind
of little give but my company Cooking Sons

672
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with the old group by the way, Cooking Sons. So essentially what we

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do is we develop public private partnerships, so we go into different communities across

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the Commonwealth. We identify real estate
development programs that can positively benefit all societal

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00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:52.280
layers of the community, from youth
all the way up to senior citizens.

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So for example, we're looking to
build sports complex with after school programs for

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00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:00.119
kids to come to and then during
the week when the kids are in school,

678
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where haven't senior citizens you know,
use it for bingo and for dancing

679
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:07.920
and for different programs like that to
make sure the community remains engaged. Best

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contact for me would be danat Cookansuns
dot com. Dan at Cookansuns dot com.

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Dan, I'm Cindy Stumpo. It
was a pleasure meeting you. I

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want to shake your hand. You're
a phenom at thirty years old. Everybody,

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have a great, safe weekend and
we'll see you next weekend. I'm

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Cindy Stumpo. Toughest Nails on WBZ
News Radio ten thirty