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In public perception. A common misconception
links secular individuals to immorality due to the

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assumption that with what out belief in
a deity, morals are not possible.

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Recent research by Professor Will serve As
reveals this bias impacting political and social interactions.

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Historical influence of religious authorities, complexity
of morality, and projection contribute to

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this stereotype. Projection is that when
the negative qualities are projected onto others.

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When one's own or one's own groups, negative qualities are projected onto others,

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seen in stereotypes of Native Americans as
savages or Black men as predators. Interestingly,

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projection might explain why the stereotype of
atheists as a moral persists. Theists

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may project their own moral shortcomings onto
atheists to avoid self examination. Ironically,

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nonreligious people often hold the more compassionate
just stances on issues like gun control,

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climate change, immigration, and healthcare. The stereotype is flawed. Empirical data

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indicates nonbelievers often advocate for empathy and
justice. This raises questions about the true

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sources of morality and who truly demonstrates
it. This comes from the center in

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the mirror. Why atheists are stereotyped
as in World Moral on Secular Humanism dot

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org by Professor Phil Zuckerman in February
March twenty twenty three issue and Cynthia,

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would you like to take this?
Sure, I'll take it. It's so

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weird to be told that you are
not moral because you don't believe in a

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God. And it's interesting that we
have reports from multiple religious sources and organizations

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about sexual assaults, about grooming,
about financial impropriety and downright theft, that

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we are still saying them atheists don't
believe in God and they ain't shit,

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you know, So I find it
very interesting about that, But I know

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that I have panelists and hostess that
have more interesting SISIs things to say about

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this infidel. Please tell me your
sisters is about morality and atheistsiss. Well,

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you know, I read the article
and it mentioned free will and different

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arguments regarding morality. But truthfully,
I think that missus point Christians aren't going

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to church over a serious philosophical position. They're just regurgitating what they're told on

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Sunday. They say their morals come
from the Bible, but they really have

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no idea what the Bible says.
On traditional marriage. The Bible sets a

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price for a rape victim to forcibly
marry her rape abortion. The Bible has

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a recipe for the priest to cause
an abortion, but only to protect a

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man's right. Christ is deeply misunderstand
what it actually means to be an ace.

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They've been told so many lies about
But for many of us, you

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know, it wasn't a thing like
change churches like they would think. It's

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a deconstruction process, removing those bad
ideas that come from the same place.

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Oftentimes that they're getting what they think
are good idea. I know that,

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speaking personally, I'm a far more
moral and balanced person than I ever could

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have been. I'm not defined by
a lack of belief. I'm a father,

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a husband, a friend, and
I hope sometimes a positive influence.

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You know, they look at their
morality, but they have a guide to

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get out of jail free car.
I don't have that. I don't have

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a guy to forgive me when I
do wrong. I live with it those

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kinds. If you're good because of
God, then you're just not good,

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you know. As I said,
it's my job to be a better job,

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better person. It's not It's not
some God that's gonna dictate that,

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and it's not a God dictating dictating
it to them. Now, Phil,

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what were your thoughts? Well,
yeah, we usually heard from the oh,

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my morality is objective. Your is
a subjective because I have an objective.

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But then you ought secress. Okay, what do we mean by moral?

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What is more? Really, let
me use the word moral. What

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do we really mean in my case? And I guess in the case of

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the others here and they think they
will agree, is that let me talk

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about being moral? We're talking about
anything that is related to kindness towards others,

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where we also minimize harm to others, fairness, justice, I don't.

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I am still a bit puzzled as
to what the theist means by moral

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because I was saying some cases,
some of them will say about Okay,

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yes that is so, but usually
in multiple cases is whatever God says,

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whyever? God says, whyever?
God says that's moral? No? How

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do we just that morality? Right? And we so Usually then you get

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these uh then persons saying, oh, but look look at him, some

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of those if his countries where it
is suppressed and do terrible things to people

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like North Korea. But I usually
point out to them, Yeah, they

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might not hold a belief in the
God. But the thing is is that

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it is not necessary there if he
isn't that is it is that is causing

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them to do that. A lot
of them set up themselves as a quote

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unquote idol, like inself in North
Korea. Right, So it's not really

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that. But when we look at
the morality of the church, morality of

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church, and you look in history, you realize the church is not these

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some moral and then they got into
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They everybody else suffered, right,
And as someone correctly said, it raises

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the question when we look at the
Bible, it talks about the morality.

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Okay, you want to say God
is moral? What about the genocide?

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What about these slavery? What about
they taking young women and for your from

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spells of war and marrying them without
their consent? Look at the misogyny.

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So on the other hand, usually, especially when we have humanism, humanists,

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we care these are this is what
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kindness, all of those things we
we we we we relate to and

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that is then using that we can
judge whether or not your God is moral

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because that is it? Not because
of God says so right, and and

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again it is I think yes,
it's projection because a lot of them are

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projecting. And as we've seen earlier, you know, sometimes people do they're

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they're they're persons within the church that
do some very despicable stuff like like abusing

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children, practicing pedeophilic behavior, pediophiles. So are they really any more moral

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than us? That's good what you
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are any more moral than we are. When I was reading this article,

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I found a lot of things that
I was curious about. One of them

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is some of the historical references he
made, like John Locke. I've read

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Locke mandatory reading for political science majors, but I never came across this that

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he atheists shouldn't. This is a
sixteen eighty five that atheists should not be

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granted any legal or civil rights because
promises, covenants, and oaths are obviously

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meaningless to them. And that's just
an idea. How long this is a

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cultural and societal can documentation? Can
I just say, Jonathan and Panel,

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what if that were today? Like
can you actually imagine like if they took

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that particular sensibility from the sixteen hundreds
to say that any person that does not

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believe in God has no civil rights, has no same society. You know,

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don't vote, can't talk against your
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I almost feel like they were here
today. I'm not sure. I

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just had to just put that in
because I found that also very very interesting,

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that this is an old sensibility that
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again in some cases a way of
forms. But I digress, and the

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please continue. Yeah, Well,
the culture and societal views and indoctrination are

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what caused a lot of the tropes. And I think it's at least fifteen

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hundred years that we've had Christian thought
that had taken over. By fifteen hundred

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years ago, they taken over most
of Europe, and they this was a

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common thought at that point, and
they were considered like heretics. There were

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some godless people back there, especially
I know of one in Romania, but

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I'm not going to get into that. Clarence Thomas, thinking about today's problems

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we have with us, has suggested
that taking an oath is clearly pointless for

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atheists because we have no supernatural power
to swear to it or buy. So

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you know, these beliefs still persist. And this guy's a Supreme Court judge.

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Well he's not a very good one, and he's also not a very

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law abiding one, but he's there. Yeah, we want to go there.

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Yeah, we'll do a story on
that some other time. We probably

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will. But you know, two
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and most people intuitively and automatically see
atheists and moral and the article he really

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tried to dig into a little bit
of why that is. The one point

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I liked was because morality is a
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and bio evolutionary components to it.
It is one of the most difficult areas

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of human activity to understand or explain. And then he says, it knows,

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just take an ethics class, you
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with the trolley? He was referring
to the trolley problem. So it is,

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and anybody who's studied any kind of
philosophy will tell you that it's not

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easy to get so, says John
is trying to nuke his way through Nietzsche

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again. Anyway, Dictators the dictator's
problem. Well, we don't know for

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sure. The only people I'm sure
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If you think about the others,
Mao, Kim Jong un, they

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have different forms of religion in the
Far East that don't necessarily are not necessarily

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antithetical to communist philosophy. So we
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if all of the hated members of
the dictatorships of the early to mid nineteen

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hundreds, some periods of which I
lived through, you know, if they

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were truly anti religion or not.
I don't remember hearing that Mao destroyed any

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of the temples in China. He
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it. So that's another point that
I wanted to make. But it doesn't

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matter, because it was the propaganda
involved in that that the anti communism was

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also projected onto atheists. These guys
are atheists, Marks, Lenin, Trotsky.

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You know, there's a whole pile
you could list, Yeah, right,

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and so those can that that follows
that you can project that same problem

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with atheism, whereas once again,
this is a projection because they're the ones

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who want to basically ethnically cleanse and
do all the things that they are accusing

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these dictators of doing. So it's
but that's because they cannot internalize that they

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are that evil, even though they
may be. So it's that unconscious thought

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has to go somewhere, so they
put it onto other people. And this

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is show soal psychological projection is a
thing, particularly an identity group or at

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a group think kind of level,
like people identify with a group. We

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talked about earlier about how with that
kind of emotional coming from an isolation into

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a group, that group can do
no wrong because you want to belong to

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that group. So that then when
that group is projecting their distastes and dislikes

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onto atheists or other group groups that
are marginalized and basically powerless in comparison,

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that's what's happening. And he talks
a lot about a social psychological projection in

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this and it's a thing, and
we can see it in everything. In

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the introduction, I mentioned American Indians
for two hundred years, we were saying

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how brutal and brutish and savage they
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our move west. We burned villages, women, children, We did a

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lot of that, and then they
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in Prince Phillip's King Phillip's Rebellion in
New England. They didn't necessarily do that.

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So it's like, I get that
really really kind of irks me a

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little. Phil Zuckerman is actually a
professor and he's, you know, like

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I said, at the he's at
the a university in uh he's at the

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university blah blah blah, Sorry my
mouth isn't working, and in California as

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a professor of sociology and secular secular
thought, secular or something like that.

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And so this is coming from a
guy who has spent his academic career studying

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this kind of stuff, so he
really got into the psychological, social,

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psychological aspect of it. And my
opinion on the whole thing is that basically

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old tropes die heart because they have
been indoctrinated, but not just indoctrinated,

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inculcated. They're part of our culture
and rewriting that script out of our culture

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is incredibly difficult, and we need
some better marketing and better branding, and

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we have to be actively debunking this
in the public sphere, in the public

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state, if we want to start
to make these people realize that you don't

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need a supernatural being or magic pixies
or lepre cons to be moral. What

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you need is just the society that
says it's bad to do harm to other

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people, you know, and then
people will be inculcated into that idea,

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you know. And that's what we
need to do. And we need to

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get this Christian national takeover the schools
in the trash as fast as we can.

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So agreed, you know. With
that being said, I guess I'm

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going to hand it to you,
Cynthia, to take us out. I

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guess sure, Yes, let's all
go to a restaurant. It's on me.

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I'll get on a plane. I'll
be there. Yeah, exactly,

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get on a plane, come on
down. I'll take you out for dinner

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or something, you know. I
want to go back to something that you

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mentioned, Jonathan, about how communism
in the modern not not necessarily the concept,

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but in practice, how it became
an agaalous to atheist and one of

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the things that I've heard when I
used to be a Christian and I used

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to watch Trinity Broadcasting Network with Paul
Crouch and jam Crouch when she had purple

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hair that they talked about when the
Soviet Union was still in you know,

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still around and what have you.
And and they used to go to some

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of the summits and and they would
talk about, yeah, she had purple

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hair. Come on, y'all,
she you know, she had purple hair.

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But anyway, they But but the
thing about it is is that like

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I remember, specifically Paul Krouch talking
about, like how these particular regimes like

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the USS are because it was a
communist state, and China was a communist

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state and it was without God.
Then you know, if the United States

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actually adapted these particular practices, that
that's what we would become, right and

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and and and I think that the
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I believe it's called statu us statu
literally stattra litery. My mouth is not

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working right now, but it's basically, but it's st a t o l

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a t r y And it's literally
the worship of the state, analogous to

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idolatry, worship of idols. So
the glorification and the the ingrandizement of the

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state or the nation is what we
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rather than something else. And this
is what we have in in North Korea,

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and this is what we had in
the USSR. And this is where

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we had, you know, because
like one of the things that I even

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said to other people when you know, when they talked about, oh,

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that Darren's socialism, that's what the
atheists want. You know, you left

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this comedy Pink goes and I ses, I believe pink all day. But

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that's just me. But regardless of
that, we never really had a state

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of government where true communism and socialism
was practice. You never had it,

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never had it. This it was
just concepts that were actually used in order

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for you know, as far as
like oh I cannot talk, I'm getting

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Jonathan's disease. But yes, we
wanted to use no worries I have this

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disease all the time. I was
about to say, you've got cynthiast disease.

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Regardless, they use these thank you, Phil. They use these particular

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concepts in order for them to garner
power. This is a dictatorship. This

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is this is you know, true
fascists, and this is something that you

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know, we're constantly like you know, fighting to this particular day because we

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don't want it, but you know, the article it actually brings up,

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you know, the whole thing about
you know, is morality objective versus uh

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subjective? And is it relative?
Do we have free will? What is

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the epistemic conflict versus the ontological conflict? Oh? My goodness, I just

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got triggered. Is doctor William Lane
Craig in the room. I feel the

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klam coming down any moment exactly.
But you know these are all like the

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you know, the very the very
things that we hear on some of our

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column shows that come on on Sundays
one at one pm Central Standard Time,

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Talk Heathen and also the eighth these
Experience at four thirty pm instance of a

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central time where you can have these
particular arguments with the hosts. All you

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want to bring up the ontological argument
in the colom cosological argument, and the

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whole thing about free will and realism
all until you want, regardless, that

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is not going to actually solve the
whole issue about morality being subjective versus objective.

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And I am of the mind that
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very subject to the individual and how
we have been indoctrinate, like Johnathan said,

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into society. But I'm of the
mind of like Sam Harris, even

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though like I'm not a fan anymore. But when it comes to his when

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he said that morality and ethics are
actually driven by well being, I agree

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with that. We can't live in
a society or without laws and without some

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type of you know, rule that
we're supposed to be going through. Its

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anarchy is not the way. Sorry
Essex And if you don't, don't,

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who know who Essex is. It's
a T ANDG reference. Look it up

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my Star Trek people will know.
But if we had any type of giving

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up God belief, and I think
that that's something that's happening as time goes

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on, as we gain more knowledge
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we thought was God to an actual
natural phenomena, then we can also see

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that in order for us to consider
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a supernatural divining rod to And with
that being said, if you want another

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divining rod that's actually naturally imposed,
that just means that you want to listen

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