1 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,320 Well, good morning, Welcome to Hobby Hotline, episode two ninety eight. 2 00:00:39,039 --> 00:00:43,039 And this is the addition with Victor, Chris and me having no internet this 3 00:00:43,119 --> 00:00:51,479 morning. It came on literally like three minutes ago. So that was a 4 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,640 restart of the computer, a boot up, a load, and a get 5 00:00:54,679 --> 00:00:58,560 in the room. You know what, I think it was a pretty good 6 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:03,319 job. So I to be fair, I'm sweating, I'm at a breath, 7 00:01:03,439 --> 00:01:07,719 I'm like flourished, I'm nervous. So you know, we're just gonna 8 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,760 get through this. Guys, what's going on? How you doing? Chris? 9 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,799 Yeah, to be fair, it is April the twentieth, and you 10 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:22,640 know what that means? Happy Earth in everybody? Uh yeah, Happy Earth 11 00:01:22,879 --> 00:01:30,799 Day. No. I wish I had a better excuse. I will a 12 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,640 drink of smoke, cleaning up the neighborhood. I wish I could blame it 13 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:41,000 on anything, but thank you Exfinity the problem. Yeah, Denny, Like 14 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:42,959 they say it where I work. You got to work at least one day 15 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:49,959 a week. Let me tell you something. I do a lot of shows 16 00:01:49,959 --> 00:01:55,879 on this I have never had Internet down until the minute of panic. I've 17 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:57,959 had it down ten minutes before. All Right, nobody cares about my internet. 18 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:04,359 Good morning sang everybody, stoops, Mad City Brew, Philly, Joe 19 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:09,560 boll five. I love this one, Love this one. Aloha from Hawaii, 20 00:02:09,599 --> 00:02:15,120 Gordon where it's five a m. First time live chatter. Nice, 21 00:02:15,159 --> 00:02:19,879 Well you got up at five am, but we're here every Saturday morning. 22 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:25,520 Yep, thanks for the welcome. Good morning, Abel, good morning, 23 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:32,400 good morning chat, Good morning Steven. Oh a lot of chat already, 24 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:37,960 It's good. Yeah. Rubins has taking a break from Strongsville show to peak 25 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,879 in Danny. We miss you, guys. I wish I could be in 26 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:45,400 Strongsville so much. You have no idea, but you know, sometimes stuff 27 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:50,000 happens in life. I've never been there. I and I googled it yesterday 28 00:02:50,159 --> 00:02:53,240 and it's only like four hours from my house, and I'm like, why 29 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,360 have I never gone to Strongsville? Victor? Like I was at a place 30 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,560 last night at about eight o'clock at night where I was I had a serious, 31 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:05,680 serious mental discussion about getting in the car. Yeah, yeah, I 32 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,039 would have. I could have picked you up, or we could have met 33 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:14,759 there or something. Mookie, I'm spending earthday. You can serving cards and 34 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:19,919 top loaders that you know what doing God's work. Mooki. We appreciate it. 35 00:03:21,159 --> 00:03:22,879 You know, it's a hard job. Somebody's got to do it. 36 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,479 If Mooki's not doing and I think, well, we all want Rex. 37 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:30,400 Good morning from New Buffalo Valparaiso. You're on the big screens. I apologize. 38 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,719 If our faces are on the big screens, that may or may not 39 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:38,680 be helping business at the shops. But if anybody's looking for cards in that 40 00:03:38,759 --> 00:03:44,520 area, sports card shop, vintage goats. Ten hour drive from me to 41 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,520 Strongtion, that's a drive. Even for me. It's it's six or seven, 42 00:03:49,759 --> 00:03:54,039 so ten hours, you know, you might be into plane territory there. 43 00:03:54,439 --> 00:03:57,800 It's the heck of a show. Though, if you're going for three 44 00:03:57,879 --> 00:04:00,680 days, maybe it's worth the drive. And if you're and if you're really 45 00:04:00,719 --> 00:04:04,000 buying and selling, it's probably worth the drive. But to just check it 46 00:04:04,039 --> 00:04:09,199 out for the first time, good oh gosh, ten hours is a hike. 47 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:15,879 But Victor, I will tell you phenomenal vintage show. Yeah, it 48 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,199 used to be more of a speakeasy type of feel, you know, but 49 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:25,199 it's gotten as it's gotten out a little bit vintage goods. I also have 50 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:29,959 no money. That's another good point. YEA factor. You know what, 51 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,480 when you talk to dealers that comes up. That's a good one. You 52 00:04:32,519 --> 00:04:40,439 can't go to Strongsville with one hundred dollars apparently, you know what you long 53 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:46,839 nineteen seventy eight common beater. Uh. They used to have a rule that 54 00:04:46,879 --> 00:04:50,720 you couldn't bring in anything that was not vintage. It was a hard fast 55 00:04:50,800 --> 00:05:00,199 rule, which which to me was both so something and so cool. It 56 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,879 was. It was, uh, like I said, it really had a 57 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,920 speakeasy feel to it. They moved into a new venue this year, and 58 00:05:08,319 --> 00:05:13,319 uh, absolutely curious to see how that works out. Yes, this is 59 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:18,519 a book I recommend all the time, The Bubblegum card Wares. Yes, 60 00:05:18,879 --> 00:05:25,920 Uh, definitely a here into the history of of of the cards and specifically 61 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:34,160 the fifties Tops Bowman battles that is worth a read. Some guy logan logan 62 00:05:34,399 --> 00:05:44,600 Ward says, good morning, fellow hobby hotliners, good morning Halts. And 63 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:49,319 I think belated birthday in there also, so the belated birthday Logan. Here's 64 00:05:49,319 --> 00:05:54,079 a plot twist for your internet issue there, Danny, I have no idea 65 00:05:54,079 --> 00:05:58,920 what we're talking about. Oh dude, we're just winging it, folks. 66 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:05,759 This this is not a problem Victor, Victor, I can't. I have 67 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,879 years that I don't know what I thought. All right, just a disclaimer 68 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:15,519 before we get started. We're absolutely fine. Have you guys heard of Victor 69 00:06:15,519 --> 00:06:26,519 Webber Yama? I believe so. Tall guy, Yeah, tall guy, 70 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:32,879 French. Yeah. He had a tops NFT sell for one hundred and fifty 71 00:06:32,959 --> 00:06:41,399 thousand and a card sell for like a half a million. I love Wemby. 72 00:06:42,199 --> 00:06:45,759 Just been drowning in my stars from watching people look at six hundred thousand 73 00:06:45,759 --> 00:06:49,120 dollars cards while I look at my fifty five tops Wally Moon and Don Mossy. 74 00:06:49,519 --> 00:06:55,720 Yeah, Vin, Yeah, Strongsville will humble you. Whatever your collection 75 00:06:55,920 --> 00:07:00,959 is, Strongsville will humble you. Yes. What kind of ice cream do 76 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,839 you like? Victor? I think he's easing into the topics for you, 77 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:13,360 is what he's doing, Victor. Your ice cream A choice is oh man 78 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:19,720 oreole, Oh nice pick solid, Chris more of a peanut, butter ripple 79 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:29,279 man myself. So Victor wins. Here's so getting back to Wenby, and 80 00:07:29,279 --> 00:07:31,720 I am going to keep his training on the tracks today. Wemby eventually will 81 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,959 put an end to the Lebron versus Goat discussion. Wow, that's a lot 82 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:41,480 of pressure on. Wow, that's a lot of pressure on around that discussion. 83 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:47,759 So Victor, let's talk rookies in the NBA. I mean, there's 84 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,600 a lot of pressure on this guy. I get it. But you're talking 85 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:57,160 about buying a house or buying a car. Yeah, I mean, and 86 00:07:57,439 --> 00:08:05,639 and please I understand it's it's it's a limited special card. My understanding is 87 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,720 not auto. Chris, I don't know if you're up on this, but 88 00:08:09,959 --> 00:08:15,279 my understanding is not auto. And in the Top's NFT block top shot, 89 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:20,079 his top shot is still around and somebody paid one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. 90 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:24,000 I don't know. Are there people in the hobby that are just they 91 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:28,920 see the Honus Wagner and they just think that they're in on the next one. 92 00:08:28,519 --> 00:08:31,720 I mean, I don't want to knock fit. I think there is 93 00:08:31,759 --> 00:08:37,919 some fomo involved here. Okay. Yeah, So in general, like Kitlyn 94 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:41,240 Clark going for a half million dollars, not a shot at Kaitlyn Clark, 95 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,559 A lot of money for somebody who's yet to play a game, I'm going 96 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:48,279 to say the same thing in baseball prospects. Prospecting in general, I think 97 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,759 runs a little out of control. So I'm using Wenby as an example, 98 00:08:50,879 --> 00:08:56,519 and it's not a shot at him. But yeah, here we go six 99 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:00,240 hundred K for an M one on one nineteen sixteen, Baby Ruth in an 100 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:05,720 SGC three and a half. Wow, h slash. I want to see 101 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:11,320 an SGC, right, would you rather? There you go? Victor a 102 00:09:11,399 --> 00:09:22,039 one of one by any chance? Yeahs the Shimmer one of one. Victor 103 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:28,320 has no idea what we're talking about. I'm actually dropping a video on Sunday 104 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:33,240 about But really, I think a lot of it has to do with a 105 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,960 couple of things. Number one is just kind of where the market is at, 106 00:09:37,039 --> 00:09:41,399 right. There's a different market out there that has a different budget than 107 00:09:41,399 --> 00:09:46,879 most people, and and that creates, uh, some competition with those who 108 00:09:46,919 --> 00:09:50,360 have deep pockets. Uh. It's a flex purchase, right and and that's 109 00:09:50,399 --> 00:09:54,360 okay. I mean there's room for them in the space, right. Uh. 110 00:09:54,399 --> 00:10:01,159 But also I think it's the unicorn that Victor wiben Yama is becoming. 111 00:10:01,799 --> 00:10:07,840 I've been keeping a close eye on his play, really critiquing his play. 112 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:13,120 In my opinion, the kid's the real deal, and he has a body 113 00:10:13,159 --> 00:10:18,960 type and an aggression about his play that I think he's going to make an 114 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:22,879 impact on the game, and he's going to make an impact on the hobby. 115 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,639 And that's as of April twentieth, twenty twenty four, subject to change, 116 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:31,399 right, But the kid is impressive. Well, I'm going to put 117 00:10:31,399 --> 00:10:35,440 this question at you. Then, is this too far to say? Well 118 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:43,200 he passed Lebroad and MJ. Yeah, that's too far. He's great, 119 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:50,360 he's great, he's great. Not quite that great here we are. Rex 120 00:10:50,399 --> 00:10:58,480 says we sold a Wemby auto redemption early of nineteen. K. Wow. 121 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:03,399 I mean, you know what if you're running a store, nice good on 122 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:07,120 you, and this is a fair question, and this is, you know, 123 00:11:07,519 --> 00:11:09,720 probably something the hobby doesn't talk about enough. I wonder how many of 124 00:11:09,759 --> 00:11:15,399 these big modern card sales are real, verifiable sales. Would we be naive 125 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,200 to think that some of the auction houses, you know, do some of 126 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:22,000 it for marketing, or some of the sales don't get paid for on eBay? 127 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,039 You know, it gets shilled up. Yeah, it happened in the 128 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,799 hobby in the past, you know, are we naive to think it would 129 00:11:28,799 --> 00:11:33,480 never happen again? So I don't know. I'm not saying that Wenby card 130 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,799 is the example of that or rex. That's a good point in general. 131 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:43,440 Yeah, it is a good point. But it also bears fact of the 132 00:11:43,639 --> 00:11:48,879 value that card lighter provides where they actually go in depth into those kind of 133 00:11:48,879 --> 00:11:52,960 purchases to verify it, those kind of sales. So yeah, really, 134 00:11:54,320 --> 00:12:01,120 but Twitter does not go that far. They'll just type stuff out right away. 135 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,120 You gotta you gotta find. But a half million is wild for a 136 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:09,039 modern basketball card. Half million, I'm sorry, half millions wild for any 137 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:16,000 card, even if it's vintage. And I'm a vintage guy. What about 138 00:12:16,039 --> 00:12:20,919 the Wemby versus Curly Neil debate. That's hysterical. Curly Neil, I have 139 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:28,120 the same number of rings. Oh is that a Homer line? You know 140 00:12:28,159 --> 00:12:35,639 who Curly Neil is? Yes, Harlem Globe Trotter Trotters. Yes, well 141 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,879 they beat Washington General's every game. Yeah, that's true, so they're kind 142 00:12:39,879 --> 00:12:48,000 of undefeated, you know. And that you're a sports cards what's going on? 143 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:52,600 Excited to see Johnnyman Syracuse show tomorrow? One time? The whole Hobby 144 00:12:52,639 --> 00:12:58,159 Holline cruise should descend on Syracuse. I think I can safely say the whole 145 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:03,960 Hobby Holline crue if we ever decid. It will not be Syracuse. We 146 00:13:03,039 --> 00:13:07,679 love you Syracuse. But I heard that after ten p m. Nothing's open 147 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:13,159 once Applebee's closes. So you know, that's just that's just that's just what 148 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,879 I heard. You guys ever been up there before? My wife went to 149 00:13:16,919 --> 00:13:24,200 Ithaca, which was not But if you ever made the pilgrimage to Jefferson Burdick's 150 00:13:24,159 --> 00:13:28,440 gravestone, you're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna pull pull out the flex 151 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:33,600 here. I'm so you your video. I did that years ago, and 152 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:39,320 you have a link to your video. I want to put that. It's 153 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,440 actually a two part video. I'll I'll see if I can find it. 154 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:48,159 If it's if you can find it. Uh, do you think Jackson Holly 155 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,840 will turn it around? Well? Speaking of high price prospects, this is 156 00:13:50,919 --> 00:13:56,720 right in my backyard here, Yes, I think I'll turn it around. 157 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:01,960 They're the list of players and they went through the have had a hiccup at 158 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:05,759 the start of their career and still had good careers. I mean, is 159 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:11,200 tremendous, Victor. I mean, you know, there's probably better than anybody. 160 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:15,759 Do you can you judge a rookie's performance after two weeks? No, 161 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:20,840 definitely not. And it's just again, you know, the the hype that 162 00:14:20,919 --> 00:14:26,240 we've been putting on this kid and the pressure that this kid is under is 163 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:31,600 just I mean, it's it's difficult to be that age. And some do 164 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,919 right, but the majority, when you look at it, when when a 165 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,840 kid comes up where his dad was a ballplayer, he comes up with an 166 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:45,120 enormous amount of pressure. Most of them do not really make it into the 167 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,360 big leagues. Now, there are some unicorns, you know, Ken Griffy 168 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:54,159 Junior obviously that that did not affect him at all. But for the majority, 169 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:58,000 man, when when you're coming in with that much pressure, it's it's 170 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:03,240 hard to surpass. Hobby loves the idea of a legacy player looking for the 171 00:15:03,279 --> 00:15:07,200 next Griffy. I'll say Trout was that guy, and then looking for the 172 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:11,279 next Trout. I know everybody likes to diss on Trout's Trout the last couple 173 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:15,799 of years. Man, he's having a good season too, the guy Victor. 174 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:16,799 I gotta tell you, I think the kid's gonna have a chance. 175 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:22,720 Yeah, Crout's a pretty good ballplayer. He's coming out focused this year. 176 00:15:22,759 --> 00:15:28,639 Man. Yeah, Caitlin Clark better than Wemby hobby wise, they're both exploded. 177 00:15:28,799 --> 00:15:33,519 You know, Time magazine does their top one hundred people of the year. 178 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:39,039 I think if we did the hobby's top ten, you know, players 179 00:15:39,039 --> 00:15:45,159 that affected cards this year, they might both make it on an unofficial list 180 00:15:46,799 --> 00:15:52,639 for NBA licensed products. Wemby will have only fifty one of one on one 181 00:15:52,799 --> 00:15:58,240 as he will have no autos due to his fanatics exclusive when compared with other 182 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:02,039 rookies who have base and autos. That's a good point. That's an excellent 183 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,360 point. We have a great chat. Doesn't that really matter though, because 184 00:16:04,559 --> 00:16:11,519 you know one of one did sell without an autograph for six hundred thousand. 185 00:16:11,559 --> 00:16:18,240 How much and have does that have to do with having no autographs in the 186 00:16:18,279 --> 00:16:25,159 licensed product? You know? Is it like I love the one you're with, 187 00:16:25,399 --> 00:16:27,559 you know, if you can't be with the one you love, love 188 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,559 the one you're with, you know, if you can't get that rookie auto. 189 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:33,519 It is what it is. I just put in comments. By the 190 00:16:33,519 --> 00:16:37,200 way, Chris, I sure hope this is the link to the Jefferson birding 191 00:16:37,279 --> 00:16:44,879 video and I to part one because I just put it up there. This 192 00:16:44,919 --> 00:16:48,440 is like your vacation to the beach, you know, Yeah, I would 193 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,519 like to apologize. And people go to the beach, some people go to 194 00:16:51,559 --> 00:16:56,919 the mountains. I go to graveyards of former collectors. Well, well, 195 00:16:56,279 --> 00:17:00,039 do a little history lesson. Give me the elevator hitch for those who don't 196 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:06,880 know the history of the great Jefferson Verdick. Uh. Jefferson Burdick was probably 197 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:12,720 the greatest card collector ever lived. He lived in He worked a blue collar 198 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:22,039 job in in UH Syracuse and created and just collected cards, not just sports 199 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:29,640 cards, but also catalogued them and tried to track them. He's the guy 200 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:37,079 that came up with the numbering for certain sets, like the American Tobacco Company 201 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:44,279 baseball set from nineteen oh nine is Jefferson Burdick gave it the T two O 202 00:17:44,519 --> 00:17:52,759 six name T for Tobacco two O six for, which explains why it's cards 203 00:17:52,799 --> 00:17:56,319 that look alike but are not necessarily from the same set at the same time. 204 00:17:56,519 --> 00:18:03,119 Rights, it's more of more of a overseeing catalog which we which we 205 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,680 still use to this day. Yeah, we still use the terminology. So 206 00:18:07,519 --> 00:18:10,519 yeah. Anyway, So shout shout out to you for going out and paying 207 00:18:11,079 --> 00:18:18,680 respects to Jefferson Verdick. A couple of great comments here able just following up, 208 00:18:18,759 --> 00:18:22,519 Yes, the base rookie sold a half a million dollars. I'll phrase 209 00:18:22,559 --> 00:18:27,559 it that way because we casually say five hundred thousand around heretic. Yeah, 210 00:18:27,599 --> 00:18:30,519 but I can attribute that prices. He does not have an auto one on 211 00:18:30,519 --> 00:18:33,640 one is an alternate option. Well, there's a great question for you, 212 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:38,799 Victor. Is there a hierarchy of rookie love Is it like you know, 213 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:47,160 auto patch then auto then then then patch then nothing you know, Yeah, 214 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:52,759 definitely, definitely, definitely there's a there's a greater demand for those who can 215 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:57,119 afford that kind of thing. I don't even bother looking anymore because it's it's 216 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:02,920 out of my budget, right, So I'm more of a base card kind 217 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:07,640 of guy with or one of the parallels. But yeah, there's a ranking. 218 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:11,400 There's a ranking between those. Sure, But I will say, and 219 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:15,680 this is where I differentiate things when it comes to our pas and that sort 220 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:21,559 of thing. A lot of us call it rookie card, but a lot 221 00:19:21,559 --> 00:19:23,160 of it is really those are inserts. Those are cards, you know, 222 00:19:23,319 --> 00:19:26,880 uh uh, True, rookie card is a card that is comes from the 223 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:32,640 base set, and a lot of these things are actually insert cards, and 224 00:19:33,279 --> 00:19:36,480 you know, we we deem them as rookie cards. But it all depends 225 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,960 on what you know, lens you're looking through. But yeah, there's definitely 226 00:19:40,039 --> 00:19:44,000 a higher demand for those who can afford it. Right that r P A 227 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,559 man, there's nothing like an r P A Right, that's the top cards 228 00:19:47,599 --> 00:19:52,200 wise, that luxury, that's that's the I don't even know what the what 229 00:19:52,279 --> 00:19:55,839 the top selling card is these days. We bought, we bought to used 230 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:03,640 a toy and I'd like to recommend them highly fantastic cars. And a lot 231 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,119 of it is these, you know, the contract issues that we're still having. 232 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,359 I just don't understand why this stuff doesn't get resolved or some kind of 233 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:17,359 compromise or some kind of amendment is made to to help us clear this up 234 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:22,960 so that we are doing what's right towards the hobby and not so much making 235 00:20:22,039 --> 00:20:26,880 this a legal battle. You know, it's a shame, it really is, 236 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:33,720 and the collectors are the ones who are suffering the consequences unfortunately. All 237 00:20:33,799 --> 00:20:37,480 right, thank you for clearing that up, because I do like the hobby 238 00:20:38,039 --> 00:20:42,240 use slang a rookie card far too much in your presence. I try to 239 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:52,839 get my language correct and you don't have to man out of respect. You 240 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:57,599 work way too hard for me to throw that around casually. No pressure at 241 00:20:57,599 --> 00:21:02,400 all for Jackson Holliday when you're I was sitting in the first world or two. 242 00:21:02,799 --> 00:21:07,119 She give the kids some room. Yeah, just just a wife and 243 00:21:06,759 --> 00:21:10,279 dad. Dad. And by the way, the woman next to the dad 244 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,920 was Jackson's wife. There was some confusion on this. If you saw the 245 00:21:15,039 --> 00:21:18,960 video of Visit Bats, it's Matt Holliday, Jackson's wife. I don't know 246 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:25,039 her name, not that, not Jackson and his mother, not Matt and 247 00:21:25,079 --> 00:21:29,799 his in Jackson's mother. There was a lot of people who did highlights who 248 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,400 on TV, and it's become a kind of a funny thing here in Baltimore. 249 00:21:33,599 --> 00:21:37,440 Okay, all right, we're gonna blow up the chat room here, 250 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,119 guys. There was something with Kurt's Cardcare. I don't know if anybody heard 251 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:48,079 this week, a little bit of news that that that the Twitter and Instagram 252 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,680 verse had no reaction to. But we're gonna bring it up. I think 253 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:56,680 anyway. Kurt's Cardcare had some had some cards deactivated. I love that term. 254 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:03,680 It sounds so so efficient. There the certain numbers were deactivated because of 255 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:12,119 the process used to clean them, and they've made a statement basically saying that 256 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:19,359 they don't accept that type of stuff. Now this is who now see Mokie, 257 00:22:19,599 --> 00:22:23,839 I'm already missing Strong as well. Next level right here, folks, 258 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:30,799 Uh, this is live live from from Cleveland. Uh. I heard Kurt's 259 00:22:30,839 --> 00:22:33,200 cardcare was that Strong Will show big news on that front this way? Yes, 260 00:22:36,079 --> 00:22:38,240 if Kurt was a Strong as Will, that would be crazy. I 261 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:45,400 wonder if that's a joke from MOOKI probably run them out of there on the 262 00:22:45,519 --> 00:22:48,279 rail probably. Yeah, you never know, you never know. He's had 263 00:22:48,279 --> 00:22:53,079 a lot of support, so you know, I don't I really don't know 264 00:22:53,119 --> 00:23:00,960 where I fall in this story. The the deactivation coming before a public statement 265 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:07,440 forgetting everything else, when you know that it's going to cause this much chatter. 266 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,680 I don't know if that was the best way for PSA to handle the 267 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:18,599 marketing side of it. That being said, there's the whole conversation on you 268 00:23:18,599 --> 00:23:22,680 know, how how we treat cards, what's what's allowed, what's not allowed? 269 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:27,119 And I put aloud in air quotes here because p s A, I 270 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:32,759 guess are the ultimate judgers on what they'll grade. But you know, in 271 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,279 general, what do you what do you you know, Chris, how do 272 00:23:36,279 --> 00:23:40,359 you what do you feel about? You know, card cleaning? Explain, 273 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:45,359 first of all, explain what deactivating means. They took the certain number and 274 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,640 if you now look it up, it will say this certain number is not 275 00:23:48,759 --> 00:23:52,599 valid. It has been deactivated, and it's not The card is still out 276 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,759 there in the slab. Yes, yes, which is why always check your 277 00:23:56,759 --> 00:24:03,200 shirt numbers when you buy it a slab card. Guys, make sure it's 278 00:24:03,279 --> 00:24:07,240 it's legitimate, and make sure it's not deactivated. There's your p s. 279 00:24:07,319 --> 00:24:18,000 A. Oh that was a bad pun. Go ahead, Chris Kurt's cards 280 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:30,160 being deactivated because of the cleaning. Ah, I mean, I I don't 281 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,880 understand why you would want to get your cards clean. I think there's too 282 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:45,000 much at risk there. If if you send this card a card to this 283 00:24:45,039 --> 00:24:53,480 guy Kurt right, and he winds up damaging your card even more with his 284 00:24:55,759 --> 00:25:00,000 whatever he uses. I don't know how many he does that. Think it's 285 00:25:00,039 --> 00:25:03,279 hard. It's either his own cards or you have to know him. I 286 00:25:03,319 --> 00:25:10,039 think you know. But Victory, I know you have some thoughts. But 287 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,440 Chad says, I've cleaned my cards with a microfiber cloth. But that's it. 288 00:25:14,519 --> 00:25:21,039 I've never used chemicals and never will victory your thoughts on this whole situation 289 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:25,119 in card cleaning in general. I guess, man, that's a loaded question, 290 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:30,240 dude. That's really I'm getting put on the stand, right hobby hotline? 291 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,880 Yeah yeah, Well here's the thing. I got a couple of things. 292 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,799 Number one, with the deactivation thing, I really questioned the source right, 293 00:25:38,279 --> 00:25:42,279 and it was posted on social media by some Tiffany cards I don't know 294 00:25:42,519 --> 00:25:48,359 them. I don't know, and this didn't really come from Kurt's Cardcare and 295 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:53,119 it really wasn't didn't come from PSAU and I was on a date night with 296 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,279 my wife last night, so I really don't I'm not up to snuff. 297 00:25:56,559 --> 00:26:00,480 Is that actual fact? But I'm questioning the source. If somebody in the 298 00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:07,079 chat can verify yes, PSA confirmed this or Kurt's Cardcare confirmed this, I 299 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:11,960 would be really glad to know if that's legit. But that's the first thing 300 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:18,559 I questioned. But overall this battle, that this debate that the hobby is 301 00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:22,759 having with cleaning and non cleaning, and there's so many layers to this, 302 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:30,519 but I really lean on a principle that really is for let's just let me 303 00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:37,319 call it what it is. It's a biblical principle, okay, and what 304 00:26:37,559 --> 00:26:41,799 the way I view it is. It is hard to tell, supposedly if 305 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:47,160 a card has been doctored up by this stuff. But I'm of the opinion 306 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,759 that if there is no law written on it, and I guess this is 307 00:26:52,799 --> 00:27:00,960 making a case for leadership that makes actual big decisions, right. But if 308 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,559 there is no law written on this, then it's a matter of conviction. 309 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:11,480 And each individual person is going to have their own individual conviction where I might 310 00:27:11,519 --> 00:27:17,359 think it's wrong one hundred percent and I'll scream it from the mountaintops, but 311 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:22,079 other people might think that it's okay because that is their conviction on this process. 312 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:27,119 There is no law that says you shall not right. So now it's 313 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:32,559 a matter of conviction. And here's the other kick in the teeth. When 314 00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:40,519 it comes to convictions. We should not be arguing about our own convictions. 315 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,440 There is a freedom that is given a boundary where we are allowed to have 316 00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:51,559 our own personal convictions on a matter, and so we shouldn't. I shouldn't 317 00:27:51,599 --> 00:27:56,279 criticize you for having your conviction, and you shouldn't be criticizing me for having 318 00:27:56,319 --> 00:27:59,960 mine. And so then if that's the case, then let's make a law 319 00:28:00,039 --> 00:28:03,400 on it. Right, Let's let's and and I guess who does that come 320 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,880 from? You know, you can't ask the hobby because in the hobby it's 321 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,160 subjective. It's everybody has their own opinion on the matter. You put it 322 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,200 on Twitter right now, you'd have one hundred answers before we were off the 323 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:19,920 air. Some people think it's a large majority of people think that it's okay, 324 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:25,400 and another large majority of the people think it's not. And so that's 325 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:30,720 where we're at. Yep. And and for full disclosure, I'm involved in 326 00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:34,200 the Hobby News Daily, which has had articles and videos featuring Kurt, So 327 00:28:34,319 --> 00:28:41,400 if you want to hear from him before all this happened, he's an interesting 328 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:47,039 guy to listen to, and it's I think well worth your time to see 329 00:28:47,079 --> 00:28:49,599 any video that he's been a part of directly and get to know the person 330 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:56,480 before you before you judge. I mean, I've I've used spit. I 331 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,720 mean, but isn't that I mean, there's stomach as that's when we grew 332 00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:03,640 up. We walked uphill to school. We didn't have these chemicals. We 333 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:08,920 had to do it with our own salival we had. I don't know what's 334 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,359 in our saliva, man, I mean we got stomach acid and all this 335 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:18,960 other food that we ate. So so let me ask an honest question to 336 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,519 you guys. Do you feel differently if you're doing it to a card and 337 00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:26,599 then selling it versus if you bought a card and knowing that it was already 338 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:32,799 done. Does that change how you feel? Would you would you not buy 339 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,559 the card or do? Or does that not affect you once it's graded and 340 00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:41,279 if it greades? Well, if I really really needed that card to like 341 00:29:41,759 --> 00:29:48,880 there we go, that's a collector and I know that it's been you know, 342 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:56,680 doctored a little bit, I might take it knowing that it's I might 343 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:02,599 buy it knowing that it's that it's doctor. I mean, I'm probably because 344 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,680 it's for my own personal collection. I'm probably not even not gonna sub it 345 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:15,000 for for grading, So why not? It also depends on the price. 346 00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:18,480 I mean, if I know that a card has been doctored a bit, 347 00:30:21,359 --> 00:30:23,799 I better be getting a discount on that too. So well, that's a 348 00:30:23,799 --> 00:30:26,880 fair point. Same thing on a trim card, I think I think that's 349 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,960 a that's a fair if it's labeled authentic, you know, altered or something 350 00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:37,480 like that. There's already a category for that victory. I think that this 351 00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:42,480 is this is the hobby reality to to uh this conversation is there is a 352 00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:45,240 p s A law. You know, I'd like to see. I'd like 353 00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:51,599 to see the resource. I mean if somebody the quote that they put out 354 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,880 and I tried to find it and could not find it last night. I 355 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,519 think Ryan Huge put out a quote and i'll, i'll, I will paraphrase 356 00:31:00,599 --> 00:31:04,640 something to the effect of, uh, you know, we do not support 357 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:10,640 altering cards and you know, uh et cetera, et cetera, uh a 358 00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:15,000 post on on social media. I mean trying to find if somebody can put 359 00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:18,640 up a link or to it. I don't want to paraphrase without having the 360 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,400 link, and I would. I couldn't find it when I went to look 361 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,039 for it last night, real quick. I think they opened up a can 362 00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:26,920 of worms. To be honest with you guys, this this has been going 363 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,599 on for so long, you know, and the concerns of what's the chemical 364 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,160 going to do long term? Listen, long term is here. If it 365 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,880 was an issued long term I think we would have we would have seen the 366 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,000 long term side effects of it, because this has been going on, to 367 00:31:42,079 --> 00:31:48,720 my knowledge, for several decades and it's just now it's being monetized now and 368 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:56,559 and that's where the issues are coming up. And uh, you know here 369 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,119 Wrex makes a you know point. The question is now can they actually at 370 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:05,480 tech the chemicals and do they actively even try? I guess there's no process 371 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,000 to detect the chemicals in any grating cot and that takes more technology, it 372 00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:14,079 takes more time to create a card, and that's going to mean more money, 373 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,400 yep, because somebody is going to pay for that. And I will 374 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:24,039 say that I think part of the whole story here is that Kurt made a 375 00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:30,480 video of how he was doing this. And I think, as a human 376 00:32:30,599 --> 00:32:38,079 being and victor to your eloquent point you made earlier, people have a visceral 377 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:43,319 reaction when they hear something, and it's how do you handle your reaction? 378 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,000 And unfortunately in the hobby, everybody goes on and has that quick reaction before 379 00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:51,599 I think they really take a deep breath and figure out what's going on. 380 00:32:52,440 --> 00:33:05,279 Honus Wagner or Sgcat or she was the first one was trimmed. The very 381 00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:08,279 first honest Wagger was trimm Yeah, this is to Viter's point, this is 382 00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:15,519 not new either. Yeah, and it's flagrant deception. You know, the 383 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:21,519 question is flagrant deception? Is that an oxymoron? If it's flagrant is a 384 00:33:21,559 --> 00:33:23,880 deception? Yeah, and I think I think it's you know, trimming is 385 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:30,240 obviously right, but there's certain things that we have to declare that it's okay, 386 00:33:30,319 --> 00:33:35,720 and certain things that are not obviously trimming should should never be allowed, 387 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,559 you know, dipping it in fluid, I mean, and pressing it with 388 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,119 I don't know, man, we have to we have to sit down and 389 00:33:44,119 --> 00:33:46,400 write these things out. In my opinion, there should be a thing on 390 00:33:46,599 --> 00:33:52,759 on these Third, the authentication websites, we're a page where it actually spells 391 00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:57,559 out you know this is not allowed. And we catch this, it's going 392 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,160 to be gone. This is okay to do though. You can wipe it 393 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,960 down with a microfiber clock. You can, you know, spit or what 394 00:34:05,119 --> 00:34:09,480 have you. I'd also like to point out that the logan is very funny 395 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,880 in the chat. I don't know that I can put it on screen, 396 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,320 but if you if you'd like to follow a separate conversation and not listen to 397 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:25,280 us, logan. Logan's got open mic and Mike going, uh okay doing 398 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,800 his thing, and if you hear me laugh out loud, it might be 399 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:34,880 because of that. This to Victor's point, and now I lost the yeah 400 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,360 point. Right here we go. Why does the fifty three central page smell 401 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:50,800 like keyboard duster? You know, there are there are some things that you 402 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,559 know with this whole story that you just to laugh. I guys, we're 403 00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:58,280 talking about cardboard here. You know it's okay to laugh. Uh, here's 404 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,639 a good one. Ps I could add it to the flip, say it 405 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:07,000 came from Kurt. Let the buyer decides. You know what, I'd still 406 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:12,239 say we got the best chair room. Yeah, yeah, I mean, 407 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:17,639 is P s A now going to have to hire like smellers. We're gonna 408 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:22,960 get like a vintage card. They'll be like a dog. Trained dogs get 409 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:30,320 like a drug sniffing dog to smell for like acetone or lighter fluid or whatever, 410 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:37,960 nail polish or removal or whatever they put on those things. The battery 411 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,800 says, I've heard her. Kurt's formula was actually derived from Victor Saliva. 412 00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:49,400 It's like the original recipe. Hey, guys. The P. S A 413 00:35:49,519 --> 00:35:57,760 Canine Unit will have you. Guys are out of control today. This this 414 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,679 is but you know what, I think this speaks to how much people care 415 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,320 about it. Yeah, you know, I really think if nobody was passionate, 416 00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:07,159 nobody would have a comment on it. And I think to your point, 417 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,199 Victor, every you know, whether it's one side or the other, 418 00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:15,079 or or if you're totally ambivalent and don't care about the topic, you know 419 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:20,159 there there is something about this that I think hits us all because we've all 420 00:36:20,199 --> 00:36:25,880 handled cards, We've all wished they looked better. And so anyway, greant 421 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,760 cardboard, good very early morning, gents. A shout out to our people 422 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:35,519 all over the world that are listening to us at times that are unhealthy for 423 00:36:35,559 --> 00:36:38,880 your sleep patterns. We appreciate it, We really do. What time is 424 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,480 it in Korea? I wonder? Yeah, we asked that every week. 425 00:36:42,519 --> 00:36:50,039 We should probably know it's probably the same time every Saturday, but we ask 426 00:36:50,159 --> 00:36:52,840 every We ask every week. Anyway, Jeff, if you have anything, 427 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:59,800 a screen shot or something, I'd love to see that that apparently a YouTuber 428 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:04,519 call the FBI owned Kurt. I'm not I'm gonna put that up there as 429 00:37:04,599 --> 00:37:09,000 Jeff's card journey comment for right now, I have not seen that. That 430 00:37:09,039 --> 00:37:13,079 doesn't mean it's not true, but I have not seen that. And I 431 00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:17,320 will admit to uh actually having a family life yesterday a little bit as well. 432 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,599 Yeah, but I think PSA opened up a can of worms with this. 433 00:37:23,679 --> 00:37:27,039 I'll be honest with you, you know, And Okay, I'm sorry. 434 00:37:27,039 --> 00:37:29,639 There's the question I keep getting to ask, and it's a serious question, 435 00:37:29,679 --> 00:37:32,440 which is why I forget Do you think the card companies got caught off 436 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:37,679 guard and blinded that this whole thing has become a public conversation like they were 437 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:43,159 almost happier when it was not not a public conversation and they didn't have the 438 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,320 responsibility, They didn't have to deal with the canine unit, you know. 439 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:51,880 It just it wasn't something they had to worry about. It's hard out that 440 00:37:52,599 --> 00:37:54,559 it's a big topic. Yeah, it's hard for me to say that they 441 00:37:54,559 --> 00:38:00,360 got caught off guard because Kurt's card care product and even the Jim Minty there's 442 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:06,960 another one out there, right, yeah, mister, Yeah, it's this 443 00:38:07,039 --> 00:38:10,360 has been out in the forefront mainstream YouTube for quite some time now, at 444 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:15,960 least a good year, where a lot of these videos are being created and 445 00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:20,159 a lot of this buzz is being generated, so it's been out there. 446 00:38:20,159 --> 00:38:23,679 I think they've been trying to, you know, control it, trying to 447 00:38:24,639 --> 00:38:29,320 but it's it just this this thing keeps getting bigger and bigger, and I 448 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,760 think it's something that really needs to be addressed. PSA could have made a 449 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:37,960 strong stance here, but if if they did indeed deactivate those searchs, but 450 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,159 I don't know if that was the right move. I mean, it's it's 451 00:38:42,159 --> 00:38:45,719 a good flex to try to keep this thing, you know, controlled, 452 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:51,199 But I don't know. I think long term we're opening up because now we're 453 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:59,119 demanding is that you you a disclaimer right that you notify. So now we've 454 00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:02,239 got to make separate labels and that sort of thing. And it's another layer 455 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:07,440 within the process that's going to generate more technology, more time or people. 456 00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:09,199 That's what it speaks to. It speaks to the technology and the time. 457 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:15,320 Yeah, the companies are for profit businesses. These are not nonprofits for the 458 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:21,480 hobby. And when you're in a for profit business, there's a checks and 459 00:39:21,639 --> 00:39:27,519 balances, you know internally, and so it comes down to how much do 460 00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:30,800 people care, how much do they have to respond? And is a public 461 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:35,400 statement, and I love that you're calling it a flex. It really is 462 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:42,039 a flex on their part. You know, does that solve the public outcry 463 00:39:42,559 --> 00:39:45,239 but it doesn't solve the core problem or do they actually have to deep down 464 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:50,360 to the core problem, which and then they have technology and cost and everything 465 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:55,360 else. I believe it was Neil Cards and Comics who interviewed Pete from SGC 466 00:39:55,679 --> 00:40:00,039 like a year and a half ago on this exact topic, and Peach responses, 467 00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:05,280 Hey, listen, if we can't detect it, there's nothing that we 468 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,679 can really, there's no if there's nothing there now if we do see residue. 469 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:13,519 If we do see then we have to address it. But the way 470 00:40:13,519 --> 00:40:19,440 it stands, we can't tell what's been done. And and that's that's the 471 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:25,559 problem. This the Steven says he's a funny doctor. One day you will 472 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,679 get to buy a car from fanatics, THEND it to curve, then the 473 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:36,960 p s A. Then today, with one play will be getting a cut 474 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:43,960 of It's funny. But it's so it kind of makes sense, well really 475 00:40:44,039 --> 00:40:46,079 close to true on that, I think a lot, a lot closer than 476 00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:52,000 we want to admit. You know, this is an interesting question, and 477 00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:58,679 I don't you know this is a fair you know comment. Maybe scam is 478 00:40:58,679 --> 00:41:01,360 not the right word, but people use it. It's just more evidence that 479 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,800 grading is a scam, you know. And Victory you made the point that 480 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,440 this has been going on for years, so I don't want to call it 481 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:13,519 a scam. But is grading far more imperfect than we give it credit for, 482 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,800 Chris? Is it far? It's an objective opinion of someone, it's 483 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:27,320 not subjective. You're sending your card in and it gets looked at by what 484 00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:30,760 to three different people, they come up with a grade. They're probably different 485 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:37,440 grades. It's averaged out in the end, and they're probably not gonna you 486 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:43,320 know, we're human beings, We're not perfect. We're probably gonna, you 487 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,360 know, three different people are gonna come up with three different grades for something. 488 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:53,159 So paying for a person's opinion when you send your card to get graded, 489 00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:58,079 well, this is why a lot of people say, collect the card, 490 00:41:58,119 --> 00:42:02,320 not the grade, and I like I like cardboard, not plastic cards, 491 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:09,679 not numbers. Historically grading came from scams. It's because there was a 492 00:42:09,679 --> 00:42:15,000 lot of scammers out there. When printing technology started to get advanced with computers 493 00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:21,920 in the nineties and the two thousands. That stuff was just being you know 494 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,920 that we had to we had to come up with some kind of process and 495 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:30,599 grading really gave us that sense of security that this is a real card. 496 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:36,280 For people that didn't live through the scamming of the eighties, I think it's 497 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:42,079 hard to understand what the world was like that GET started as a magazine company. 498 00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:47,000 Grating came in, you know, way down the line, PSA, 499 00:42:47,559 --> 00:42:52,679 SGC. Look at what years they actually started. I got news for it. 500 00:42:52,679 --> 00:42:57,599 It was during the junk wax era. Yeah, these didn't start with 501 00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:02,119 vintage cards, right. Peace of mind is what it gave consumers, and 502 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:07,000 it took off because there was especially as the Internet started to come into the 503 00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:13,159 hobby. Yeah, I mean, if you're it gave it gave collectors some 504 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:17,039 bit of confidence that when they bid on a card on eBay, they're going 505 00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:22,559 to get what they get, you know that. And that's always been the 506 00:43:22,599 --> 00:43:28,159 one thing. I don't want to say Achilles heel of buying cards over the 507 00:43:28,159 --> 00:43:32,559 internet, but you're buying you're buying these cards sight unseen, and if you're 508 00:43:32,599 --> 00:43:39,079 spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on a card that the seller says is in 509 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:47,719 condition X. But you get the card and you think it's condition X minus 510 00:43:49,039 --> 00:43:53,920 two. That's a problem. And that's one good thing that grating has brought 511 00:43:54,000 --> 00:44:01,320 to the hobby. It's brought a it's brought some level of standardization amongs among 512 00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:06,599 Yeah, and you get and and the great thing is you can take it 513 00:44:06,679 --> 00:44:09,559 or leave it. Yeah, nobody makes you buy it unless you're buying a 514 00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:15,320 one o one. You have options, Jimmy, great point here. The 515 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:21,599 upper deck hologram existed solely for scamming actors in the eighties. I remember how 516 00:44:21,639 --> 00:44:24,440 big of a deal that was when when they put a holow you know, 517 00:44:24,519 --> 00:44:28,920 the hologram on here, like whoa nobody will ever a fake your card again 518 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,119 And they were the only ones who had that technology for a lot of years 519 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,159 or cared enough to put it on. You want to look at it. 520 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,760 But but that was a big deal. And and once again, uh, 521 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:46,480 you know and here and I want to put our Rex cards Rex uh comments 522 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:51,800 here. Think about how many people crack and re submit cards more and more. 523 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,719 Grating seems like a potential house of cards pun intended, I'm sure Rex. 524 00:44:55,039 --> 00:45:00,039 To me, I've always thought that was an interesting side of this is 525 00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:05,840 we look at pop reports and we look at submissions. You know, are 526 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:10,599 they getting more inaccurate over time because of this? If it's an iconic card, 527 00:45:10,679 --> 00:45:16,599 I would say absolutely you can. The only one you can really is 528 00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:24,239 the tens right, those right exactly? Well, but was it the first 529 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:30,719 or second company? You know? And somebody who said p s A stands 530 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:37,119 for a police submit again, which which I think is hysterical and I had 531 00:45:37,159 --> 00:45:40,400 to work that in somehow today. But you know, I really think you 532 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:46,519 know, that's an issue. Logan says, this is just another tool that 533 00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:53,119 scammers can use to exploit collectors. Yeah. I mean, if you're if 534 00:45:53,119 --> 00:45:58,360 you're trying to put through cards, you know, through other companies and you 535 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:04,519 know they're fake, that's certainly not something I would consider kosher. Yeah. 536 00:46:04,639 --> 00:46:07,119 Net cracking and resubbing I think has been just in like in the last four 537 00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:13,159 years since since the COVID boom. I think it's when it's really I think 538 00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:19,840 before that, the percentage of actual crackouts and resubs we're very very small compared 539 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,000 to the overall cards that were getting graded, probably less than one percent. 540 00:46:23,559 --> 00:46:28,760 But you know, there seems to be a trend ever since the COVID boom. 541 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,000 That makes it a little bit more normal, right to crack out and 542 00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:36,679 resub try again type of thing. And that comes a little bit, like 543 00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:43,039 the commenter said, because of the greediness of certain individuals flippers or what have 544 00:46:43,159 --> 00:46:47,360 you. Yeah, it's a shame, but the readings really are skewed on 545 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:52,320 these pop reports, especially if a card is an iconic card. And Rex 546 00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,920 says, don't get me wrong, we submit to PSA and SGC for various 547 00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:00,480 reasons, and I want to touch on that it's a bit hypocritical of us, 548 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,440 but we're not really big fans of grading. I you know, I 549 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,719 think that's an excellent point. Do you guys look at different grading companies and 550 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:13,280 without getting into specifics, maybe for different types of cards, like if you 551 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,639 were to submit you look at every grading company is having its own type of 552 00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:22,960 niche or yea, yeah, I don't get my cards graded, so I 553 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,440 don't have to worry about it. Well, there you go, because you 554 00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:35,760 collect a hardboard, not plastic exactly, cards not numbers the circle of life. 555 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:42,199 How about you, Danny? I clicked both okay, and I'm not 556 00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:51,679 afraid to say that my PC collections are typically graded. My sets are typically 557 00:47:51,679 --> 00:47:55,159 wrong. So like I'm like, I'm collecting right now to dual sport athletes, 558 00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,840 people who played professionally in more than one sport. Well, those are 559 00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,400 all going to be graded, not because of the value, just because of 560 00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:07,760 the display ability to put them all together. Because I hope I can get 561 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:13,039 a registry made for that. Maybe if there's anybody in the comments who's a 562 00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:15,840 PSA Hall of Famer could help me. I think that would be a great 563 00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:20,960 category to have in the PSA Hall of Famers we have in our chat. 564 00:48:21,559 --> 00:48:24,760 I don't know, but I think dual sport Athletes is a fantastic one, 565 00:48:25,039 --> 00:48:30,280 and so that's why I'm collecting it right now. But Victor, I'm working 566 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:35,519 on the fifty seven set. Nice of that is in a raw binder, 567 00:48:35,639 --> 00:48:39,360 I mean in binder pages. Okay, So I I span the whole spectrum 568 00:48:39,639 --> 00:48:44,400 down to just cards sitting on my desk. Do you send to one grading 569 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:49,679 company for one thing and another grating company for something else? Or all right, 570 00:48:49,719 --> 00:49:00,480 you're going to make me fess up here, okay, Okay, okay, 571 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:07,679 I I don't mind buying SGC. I like buying SGC if I like 572 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:14,559 the card to me as she sees about the card one because in my mind, 573 00:49:14,599 --> 00:49:16,039 I would send it to PSA even if it cost me the great one 574 00:49:16,119 --> 00:49:22,199 day. So you're one hundred percent Collectors Universe. I was very happy to 575 00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:24,280 see it come together. I'm not gonna lie. You're right, you know 576 00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:30,079 what, I'm not gonna lie. It may it felt like a family gathering, 577 00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:32,519 you know, like like you know, you know, somebody finally got 578 00:49:32,519 --> 00:49:38,800 married and now we can have the family gathering and everybody's umbrella the chess probably 579 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:46,039 Okay, thank you, Mark, This is fantastic. There's a great display 580 00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:50,960 at the Hall of Fame. Now two sport baseball apples. Nice. That 581 00:49:51,199 --> 00:49:54,880 is something that will obviously be on my to do list to look up after 582 00:49:54,920 --> 00:50:00,159 this. Uh Dylan, what's going on Hawaii? Uh? As I I 583 00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:02,760 look at my wall of graded cards. I can't stand seeing the giant number 584 00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:09,079 that SGC puts on the slab. Well, you know, that's definitely a 585 00:50:10,119 --> 00:50:15,119 fair point whether or not you like the look of the slab. Any idea 586 00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:20,559 of PSA and SGC will grade together and just use a different level label since 587 00:50:20,599 --> 00:50:25,360 they're one company and all sharing resources. From my understanding, and I did 588 00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:30,599 speak directly to Nat Turner. The SGC is being operated as a separate company 589 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:37,760 for the time being. The only exception is counterfeiting technology is going to be 590 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:42,400 shared. Whatever the highest level they have that, they're going to make that 591 00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:47,599 consistent between the two companies. But other than that, Peter is still running 592 00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:54,360 SGC and PSA and Collectors is not telling them what to do. Is what 593 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:59,000 I was told, So take that for whatever it's worth. I like it. 594 00:50:59,039 --> 00:51:06,920 They need to keep it that way. Yes, Brent, you missed. 595 00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:09,599 I don't know if you missed the beginning. Wish we were all in 596 00:51:09,639 --> 00:51:17,800 Strongsville. Yes, definitely, without a doubt. Several carbs all request authentic 597 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:24,480 with SGC versus getting a grade. That's an interesting, uh interesting approach. 598 00:51:24,519 --> 00:51:28,760 I've heard other people say that, would you do you guys buy authentic, 599 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,199 altered or well, Chris, I know you wouldn't, Victor. Would would 600 00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:37,159 you buy altered or authentic? Yeah? I mean, if it's a big 601 00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:38,719 card, I wouldn't mind. I wouldn't mind putting something like that in my 602 00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:45,920 PC. Yeah. I think. I think if the card's legit, no 603 00:51:46,119 --> 00:51:50,559 problem. Let's try to help when we can. I know very little, 604 00:51:50,599 --> 00:51:55,039 but I'll share it. Jeff's card Journey. I bought a small lot of 605 00:51:55,039 --> 00:51:59,719 fifty eight tops football Row yesterday. Very cool, by the way. I 606 00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,559 can't wait to get them and put them in my Zion Max. That's a 607 00:52:02,599 --> 00:52:07,840 new product on the market. Zion has come out with their kind of their 608 00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:13,199 own holder that I see a lot of people talking about. He's the one 609 00:52:13,199 --> 00:52:19,480 I want. What are your guys plans for the National I'll be there super 610 00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:24,280 vip all five days. You're a super vip every day, super Elite man, 611 00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:38,480 super elite, get me in thirty minutes, early product, superl homos, 612 00:52:38,519 --> 00:52:43,599 super elate, super elate, victory. How far have we drive for 613 00:52:43,679 --> 00:52:49,079 you? It's going to Oh man, it's not far. Four hours, 614 00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,800 maybe three, three and a half hours. I believe it's gonna take I 615 00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:53,239 don't know. I got to look it up. I don't know. But 616 00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:59,840 but are you driving? I assume i'll be driving. Yeah, yeah, 617 00:53:00,159 --> 00:53:01,800 Brent said, I soak all my cards in gasoline and then use a match. 618 00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:07,320 You can't detect any old standing after that. That is a way to 619 00:53:07,639 --> 00:53:14,880 you can't detect anything after that. Just just a little bit of charring. 620 00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:21,079 This this is a big issue that's come up. Sure. Two Universal Pop 621 00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:25,119 reports that makes zero sense. PSA needs to do away with SGC. Well, 622 00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,440 this is a story that came up a couple of weeks ago, and 623 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,199 you know, the Universal Pop Report is something that people have a strong feeling 624 00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:38,239 about. I'm kind of against it until, you know, until there's a 625 00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:43,679 set of rules to kind of even out what the grades are. I think 626 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:51,559 it would be too incompatible, uncompatible, incompatible to have a PSA registry blended. 627 00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,000 However, I think the information should be put side by side. I 628 00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:59,119 think if you scan a card from either company, you should be able to 629 00:53:59,159 --> 00:54:02,000 see the other company pop report next to it, and you know they have 630 00:54:02,119 --> 00:54:07,760 that technology I would believe to do now that there's a PSA guy, you 631 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,000 know, do you want to see the pop reports blended or do you want 632 00:54:10,039 --> 00:54:13,960 to see them kept separate? I do not. I'd like to keep them 633 00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:17,760 separate. I think now that they've merged right or bought out or whatever the 634 00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:23,760 terminology is, they're Facebook dating. There's no reason why PSA can't extend those 635 00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:34,400 registries into an SGC format and just give them their own registry. I don't 636 00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:40,000 care for universal Chris, I know you don't grade, but for the sanity 637 00:54:40,039 --> 00:54:45,480 of the hobby. Do we need a universal registry or is it not a 638 00:54:45,519 --> 00:54:51,199 practical application? I don't know how that would work though, because each of 639 00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:58,559 the different grading companies has a different rubric for what is men, gem men 640 00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:05,599 or pristine' exactly. Yeah, a PSA ten is not necessarily the same thing 641 00:55:06,639 --> 00:55:12,360 as a BGS nine and a half, even though they both they're both labeled 642 00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:17,119 as gem minh. They have different standards. So I will say, if 643 00:55:17,199 --> 00:55:22,239 PSA and STC merge and make a universal just those two companies, I don't 644 00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:28,280 have no issue with it with that concept either, but it's not I don't 645 00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,559 think I'd make a big deal about it if they do merge. It's my 646 00:55:30,599 --> 00:55:37,480 point. It doesn't. But just those two companies like PSA SGC, you 647 00:55:37,559 --> 00:55:42,280 got to be under the same umbrella. Yeah, Rex says, I'm driving 648 00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,360 in from Michigan. Also driving to the TOPS conference in Atlanta at the end 649 00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:51,800 of next week. Nice good on you for that drive. I went to 650 00:55:52,159 --> 00:55:57,480 college down in Atlanta and the drive from Baltimore wasn't enough for me. Hey, 651 00:55:57,519 --> 00:56:00,639 Danny, before we come up against our can it said? Okay, 652 00:56:00,639 --> 00:56:04,119 if I change gears on you for a second, please, I do want 653 00:56:04,159 --> 00:56:07,840 to promote the ballot that is going on at the Sports Card Hall of Fame 654 00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:14,360 Network. It's the annual Baseball Card Hall of Fame voting ballot that we have, 655 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:21,159 and I'd like if we can support Ray Ponio and that YouTube channel. 656 00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,519 He just released the video last week with all the instructions and all of that. 657 00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:29,119 Again, it's Sports Card Hall of Fame Network. It's a YouTube channel. 658 00:56:29,599 --> 00:56:32,119 Look for Ray's most recent video and he'll give you the link to the 659 00:56:32,159 --> 00:56:38,039 ballot and all of the details about the participation of it. I also wanted 660 00:56:38,119 --> 00:56:43,599 to, you know, let everybody know that I am no longer with Sports 661 00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:46,280 Card Hall of Fame Network. At the beginning of the year, I was 662 00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:52,440 planning out my year and everything that I have going on with the hobby and 663 00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:57,559 the amount of time that I have. I had to really make some adjustments 664 00:56:57,639 --> 00:57:04,039 and shift them some things up, and I respectfully about out with the Sports 665 00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:07,400 Card Hall of Fame Network team, and I felt like, you know, 666 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,039 there's there's a lot of good talent out there that can assist these guys. 667 00:57:10,639 --> 00:57:15,880 I can no longer invest in it. A lot of it is pre war, 668 00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:19,280 or some of it is pre war, I should say, and it's 669 00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,760 an area that I'm really not strong in. I'm more you know, the 670 00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:28,639 Golden Age and forward. But really they have they do great work. It's 671 00:57:28,679 --> 00:57:31,199 a great cause that they're doing, and it's generating a lot of buzz over 672 00:57:31,239 --> 00:57:36,079 the last few years. I want to continue to support them. And my 673 00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:38,360 my favorite part is that now this year I get to vote, where in 674 00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:43,880 the past years I couldn't vote, So a lot of shout out to to 675 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,760 Ray Fonio and that and that Baseball Card Hall of Fame. Uh, check 676 00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:52,280 it out and give them some love. And I put in the chat room 677 00:57:52,719 --> 00:57:57,639 the name of the YouTube channel that they can check out for the information. 678 00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,199 So if you're in the chat room or you're watching this later and you want 679 00:58:01,199 --> 00:58:06,679 to put on the chat we have it in there for the Sports Card Hall 680 00:58:06,719 --> 00:58:15,280 of Fame Network. Thank you for bringing that up, Dylan says, Yes, 681 00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:20,039 get out and vote for Robin, you out rookie card. That's what 682 00:58:20,039 --> 00:58:27,039 they call. Yeah, nineteen seventy five forever, there's a law of a 683 00:58:27,079 --> 00:58:32,320 good setting. I'm sorry I got here. Nineteen seventy five is an ugly 684 00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,360 set of cards. You don't like it. You either love it or hate 685 00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:39,440 it. Put it with seventy two, seventy two and seventy five can date, 686 00:58:39,519 --> 00:58:45,159 and they can walk, and they can go move somewhere happily. And 687 00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:49,440 I think we're going to start wrapping it up on this note as a PSA, 688 00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:54,920 do not microwave trading cards. Thank you, Logan. That's that's that's 689 00:58:54,920 --> 00:59:00,639 a hot take. Danny, You're off my Christmas list. There you go, 690 00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:01,960 as long as long as you put me on the honokah one, I'm 691 00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:15,280 fine, let's go. Yeah, I kind of am Nina all right. 692 00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:19,000 I ask it every weekend because I always like to know right before we get 693 00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,960 out, leave on a positive vibe for everybody. Guys, put it in 694 00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:24,639 the chats. You know what I'm gonna ask? What are we doing hobby 695 00:59:24,639 --> 00:59:30,159 wise? Exciting? Not exciting? Sorting cards, doing content, going to 696 00:59:30,199 --> 00:59:34,480 a show? What are we up to this weekend? Chris? Actually I 697 00:59:34,519 --> 00:59:37,039 went to bell Airy yesterday, so oh text me, dude, I would 698 00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:47,400 not yesterday in general? Yeah, Victor, what are you up to recording, 699 00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:54,320 editing and uploading glamorous? Yes? I just did an interview and part 700 00:59:54,360 --> 01:00:00,400 of the discussion was for every ten minutes of content, it was it's about 701 01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:07,480 an hour of work. So I I wish you god speed my friends as 702 01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:12,199 you sit there and try to get everything to sync up. Yes, that 703 01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:16,480 that is U. That's the true work and content creation. Yep. Absolutely. 704 01:00:17,239 --> 01:00:25,159 Uh you guys, if you don't create cards, you don't get scammed. 705 01:00:25,639 --> 01:00:30,400 Well that's not one hundred percent through either, which is why there's cards 706 01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:36,599 on the market. Logan says, going to Talladega. If it doesn't rain, 707 01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,360 I hope there's a race. If there's not, then I just hope 708 01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:45,440 you enjoyed Talladega. I just hurt. I just found out that Logan has 709 01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,880 a YouTube channel. I did not know that until YouTube fed it to me 710 01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:52,199 the other day, and I gladly subscribe to his channel. But he's got 711 01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:59,239 a ton of videos on YouTube. Credit super VP. Let's go Logan, 712 01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:04,480 give it you, give way to go. Rex says, thanks, guys, 713 01:01:04,519 --> 01:01:07,159 have fun, Rex, thank you as always, the sports card Shop 714 01:01:07,679 --> 01:01:15,199 is fantastic. Shake and bake Logan, all right, guys, Uh for 715 01:01:15,199 --> 01:01:20,679 for no Internet and there we go, Thanks Victor. No real topics, 716 01:01:21,639 --> 01:01:23,559 Well, the hobby has topics, whether or not we talk about him. 717 01:01:24,159 --> 01:01:28,480 We we we somehow flew this plane today. You guys are the best co 718 01:01:28,599 --> 01:01:32,360 pilots. I appreciate your patience with me and thank you so much. To 719 01:01:32,679 --> 01:01:37,960 the chat room. Every Saturday morning at approximately eleven am you will find hobby 720 01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:45,519 Hotline on bench Clare Media. Thank you guys, anything any last words, 721 01:01:45,599 --> 01:01:53,599 Victor, there we go and Chris and let's keep rocking in the free world. 722 01:01:53,639 --> 01:01:57,800 Folks. Enjoy your weekend.