WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:06.080 Christian lawmakers says teachers should be allowed to hit students with disabilities. This next 2 00:00:06.080 --> 00:00:10.919 segment outlines exactly what happens when religion enters government, but more specifically, when 3 00:00:11.000 --> 00:00:15.039 Christianity enters government. The state of Oklahoma, where it is legal for teachers 4 00:00:15.039 --> 00:00:20.079 to beat students, is revising its policy to also include abusing children with disabilities, 5 00:00:20.199 --> 00:00:25.039 which is currently which it currently cannot do. Christian Republican lawmakers are citing 6 00:00:25.079 --> 00:00:29.920 the Bible to justify a teacher's right, no a teacher's need to treat children 7 00:00:30.160 --> 00:00:34.840 with violence, quoting multiple Bible verses to include teachings from Jesus. Republicans, 8 00:00:34.840 --> 00:00:40.280 who hold overwhelming majorities in both the Oklahoma State Senate and House of Representatives, 9 00:00:40.359 --> 00:00:46.799 are supporting legislation that takes a parent's right away to choose if their disabled children 10 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:51.840 can be physically disciplined. This is not just some traditional approach to discipline. 11 00:00:51.880 --> 00:00:55.439 Heck, it's not even just an attack on children. If we're being truthful, 12 00:00:55.479 --> 00:01:00.520 which we always are on the nonprofits. This is what happens when Christianity 13 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:04.519 enters government. The tools of the state, including finances, institutions, infrastructure, 14 00:01:04.560 --> 00:01:08.879 et cetera, are used against the people. It always starts with attacking 15 00:01:08.879 --> 00:01:14.680 the kids, but it will result if unchecked, with mass oppression and human 16 00:01:14.760 --> 00:01:18.760 sacrifice. We know that from looking into church history or even current events. 17 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:23.319 This story is from The Friendly Atheist by Hemmett Meta on April twenty fifth, 18 00:01:23.400 --> 00:01:26.560 twenty twenty four. Kelly, Yeah, do they have to smack these kids 19 00:01:26.599 --> 00:01:30.400 around? What course they course they do? First? They have to smack 20 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:34.400 these kids around. They got this learning disabilities. Don't you understand? You 21 00:01:34.480 --> 00:01:38.519 have to beat everything into their heads. That's the best way to teach children 22 00:01:38.560 --> 00:01:45.319 that they have trouble reasoning. Holy fuck, this medieval mentality is fucking appalling. 23 00:01:45.560 --> 00:01:49.879 I have a real problem with this because I don't think anybody should hit 24 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:53.319 kids. I raise two kids. They're wonderful adults. There are so many 25 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:57.799 tools you can use with kids. They have short attention spans, they don't 26 00:01:57.799 --> 00:02:01.879 know anything about the world. You can use those two things like to your 27 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:08.039 advantage all the time. There's no reason to court your children. Well, 28 00:02:08.120 --> 00:02:13.520 I'm glad to hear that that you went a lifetime being a great father, 29 00:02:13.639 --> 00:02:16.319 Kelly and raising your children without violence. You know, my wife and I 30 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:20.120 have already talked about this. I mean we are prepared. I'm a father. 31 00:02:20.400 --> 00:02:22.960 Somebody ever puts their hands on my kids, that's the day I go 32 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:25.000 to jail. It's already been planned out. We've got you know, we 33 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:29.000 have to we have to be prepared. Jason, as a father, please 34 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:32.479 give me your reaction. I mean, y'all know me. Uh, there's 35 00:02:32.520 --> 00:02:37.520 no mystery. Anybody knows me. Knows that I've been training, finding MMA 36 00:02:37.599 --> 00:02:42.879 and doing jiu jitsu for almost twenty years, and my family knows that's it's 37 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:46.039 yeah, the same thing. You'd be bailing me out. And uh, 38 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:50.560 I'm not advocating for violence, no one in the ACM. Don't speak for 39 00:02:50.560 --> 00:02:54.039 the ACA. But somebody harms my kid, you know, I'm gonna I'm 40 00:02:54.080 --> 00:03:00.439 gonna do real bad things that I won't regret. My my kid also has 41 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:05.840 some special education needs. And again, like Kelly, I've never hit my 42 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:07.639 kid once. I have no need to. Luckily, they go to the 43 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:13.199 gym and got plenty of peers and cohorts that they can fight, you know, 44 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:19.400 and get it out. I just think it's it's repulsive to me a 45 00:03:19.439 --> 00:03:23.319 lot of times. And it's so interesting because you see the people promoting this 46 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:30.319 shit, are these like fucking fake ass, alpha male type of misogynistic, 47 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:35.479 fucking spare the rod, spoil the child type people. And I'll tell you, 48 00:03:35.560 --> 00:03:38.360 man, I see plenty of people with that mentality try to come in 49 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:42.240 the gym and act like tough guys. They don't last. They get schooled 50 00:03:42.280 --> 00:03:46.000 by some nerdy math major, you know, by some queer guy like me 51 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:49.960 laying on them, rubbing my fucking sweaty body on them while I beat some 52 00:03:49.960 --> 00:03:53.759 progressivism into them. It's just disgusting to me, you know. I think 53 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:58.080 it's it's a weak thing perpetuated by weak people to break down people who could 54 00:03:58.120 --> 00:04:00.840 potentially be strong, and you surp their fucking shit absolutely, you know, 55 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:08.560 I am worried about the way that this can empower or embolden, excuse me, 56 00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:13.400 people who just have this pent up rage, who are weak minded and 57 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:18.160 cowards. Does this signal to them? Is this some kind of dog whistle 58 00:04:18.199 --> 00:04:24.000 that they are allowed now to take out their anger on children who don't even 59 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:27.759 know if they're doing something. If they're doing something wrong in the first place, 60 00:04:27.839 --> 00:04:30.439 right, So a child may do something wrong and violence is not the 61 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:33.639 answer. But then you've got a child who has no idea, what's going 62 00:04:33.680 --> 00:04:38.199 on and then violence is put on them. So you know, Kelly, 63 00:04:38.360 --> 00:04:42.920 I want to ask you, is this legislation likely to become an outlet for 64 00:04:43.079 --> 00:04:46.120 a do of lesser quality when it comes to being in the classroom. Gosh, 65 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:48.839 you know you would hope, you would hope not. I mean the 66 00:04:48.920 --> 00:04:54.879 potential is there too, because they did a lesson that the qualifications to be 67 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:58.959 a teacher in Oklahoma. So you have this ability to have this happen. 68 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:05.399 I'm afraid that something like that that could happen that you get somebody or somebody 69 00:05:05.439 --> 00:05:12.839 that has My stepfather had Huntington Huntington's disease, and he was unable to control 70 00:05:12.879 --> 00:05:16.959 his temper. It was even if he tried, he couldn't control it. 71 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:21.120 It was just something that happened. So you get people that in this position. 72 00:05:21.519 --> 00:05:26.519 And Huntington's doesn't even start taking effect with most people until they're in their 73 00:05:26.600 --> 00:05:29.720 late thirties or forties, So they could be a good teacher for ten years 74 00:05:29.800 --> 00:05:32.560 and all of a sudden boom, they start beating kids because they can't control 75 00:05:32.600 --> 00:05:35.600 it anymore. So that's another thing that you'd have to watch out for, 76 00:05:35.759 --> 00:05:40.160 not just somebody who's messed up and had to begin with. But that's somebody 77 00:05:40.199 --> 00:05:45.120 that gets progressively worse because of a mental illness, That's right, So I 78 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:49.160 yeah, and I go ahead, Jimmy, I'm sorry, I'm having a 79 00:05:49.199 --> 00:05:53.079 hard time. I have a hard time with this subject. So I know 80 00:05:53.160 --> 00:05:56.399 that you do. And I think you brought up a great point, right, 81 00:05:57.079 --> 00:06:01.079 Oklahoma is not exactly the mech for scholars to enter the classroom, now, 82 00:06:01.120 --> 00:06:03.480 is it. And I'm not talking about the kids, but you know, 83 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:06.160 just in the past couple of years, they have lessened, like you 84 00:06:06.199 --> 00:06:10.199 said, Kelly, lessen the requirements to become a teacher. You don't even 85 00:06:10.279 --> 00:06:14.800 need a bachelor's degree anymore. Not to say that a bachelor's degree makes you 86 00:06:15.079 --> 00:06:17.959 any smarter than anyone else, but the training, the training to do that 87 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:23.720 is more attainable for people who have no business being in that atmosphere. Right, 88 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:28.360 And so they don't require teaching certifications either. I mean, how easy 89 00:06:28.439 --> 00:06:30.319 is it for people to get in these classrooms that don't belong there? And 90 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:34.199 I guess that's kind of a rhetorical question, but yeah, because teaching isn't 91 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:38.879 just knowing the subject you're teaching. Teaching is being able to interact with the 92 00:06:38.959 --> 00:06:43.360 children. Teaching is being able to keep the children under control. There's teaching 93 00:06:43.399 --> 00:06:47.079 that just knowing the subject absolutely, And we're opening up now teaching the people 94 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:50.959 who don't have that training and that kind of experience. So it's troubles Jason. 95 00:06:50.959 --> 00:06:54.319 I'd like to know your thoughts on what we just talked about before I 96 00:06:54.360 --> 00:06:59.000 move on. It just keeps flashing in my mind. Stanford prison experiment. 97 00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:05.120 When you give when you give untrained, unprepared people, uneducated people, positions 98 00:07:05.160 --> 00:07:13.040 of authority that involve the ability to use violence and force, you are it's 99 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:15.879 a powder cake. And we see it time and time again. So you 100 00:07:15.959 --> 00:07:17.759 have I mean, we've seen it in the police, you know, Uh, 101 00:07:18.279 --> 00:07:20.800 time and time again. Uh. It's a problem. It's like a 102 00:07:20.879 --> 00:07:24.319 thing, you know, it's it's it's rare to hear about that with with 103 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:29.720 military folks. Military folks are trained. Military folks have prerequisites, they've got 104 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:31.439 to be in certain type of shape. But we got people who are pretending 105 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:34.759 they're military walking around the streets a lot of times, and they're not ready 106 00:07:34.759 --> 00:07:39.720 and they're scared. So you start putting somebody who but they get some training. 107 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:43.319 But then you start putting somebody who's allowed to use physical force on a 108 00:07:43.399 --> 00:07:46.680 child, especially a child with disabilities. And if they don't have a bachelor's 109 00:07:46.680 --> 00:07:48.800 degree, how have they even been trained to deal and work with kids with 110 00:07:48.839 --> 00:07:53.439 disabilities? What do they know? What do they know about developmental education? 111 00:07:53.759 --> 00:07:57.120 I've got ten years of college under my belt, multiple degrees, licenses, 112 00:07:57.160 --> 00:08:01.319 certifications, one of them degree in psychology. Agree, you know, dots 113 00:08:01.319 --> 00:08:07.639 of science and psychology with a focus on developmental psychology and neuropsychology. And the 114 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:13.240 things I learned in those classes are invaluable in understanding kids' behaviors, especially kids 115 00:08:13.240 --> 00:08:16.319 who have disabilities. To think that my child would be in a place where 116 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:24.319 some untrained, unlicensed, unprepared person is not only given the responsibility to teach 117 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:28.879 my kid, but given the right and freedom, and they're say, in 118 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:31.960 a Christian point of view, the privilege to harm my child. That that 119 00:08:33.080 --> 00:08:37.000 is the most terrifying shit. It's awful that I could think of. And 120 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:39.480 in a country again, I feel like this is a theme I bring up 121 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:43.080 a lot. In a country again that values authority over autonomy, those kids 122 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:48.279 are going to have already been conditioned by families in media and culture and environment 123 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:52.320 that says I deserve this well, especially in Christianity, right, I mean 124 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:56.039 you are go ahead, Kelly, I want to get I want to switch 125 00:08:56.080 --> 00:09:00.559 gears here, or it's going to do exactly the opposite. It's going to 126 00:09:00.639 --> 00:09:03.360 take these kids that if I get up and I say something, I'm going 127 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:07.720 to get beaten back down. This is what authority is going to do to 128 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:11.600 me, right, Yeah, Yeah, that's in the wheelchair that can't get 129 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:16.360 away, who can't who literally can't get away. He has physically stuck there 130 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:20.000 while he's getting beaten. And believe me, that's a whole level of psychological 131 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:24.440 torture piled on top of the physical torture. Believe me. I know for 132 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:30.600 a spect this might. But maybe that kid is the next freaking top physicist. 133 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:33.519 Maybe that kid is going to be an incredible author, Right, he's 134 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:37.200 going to write movies that people are going to enjoy. But now he's not 135 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:41.240 going to because it was beaten the fuck out of them. Well, you 136 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:43.879 know, there's a lot of layers here about how this is so wrong. 137 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:50.159 We've definitely addressed the cowardice of adults to take out their anger. But what 138 00:09:50.240 --> 00:09:54.039 I want to move into is the essential building blocks of Christianity. If you 139 00:09:54.080 --> 00:10:01.720 will because it is it has been UH propagated over centuries that people are bad, 140 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:07.480 they deserve torture, they deserve to be treated with violence, right, 141 00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:11.639 and they deserve to have that done by the people in the positions of authority 142 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:16.200 within that religion. Now, what we're seeing in Oklahoma is a gross violation 143 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:22.399 of the constitution because we have got Oklahoma government officials on the Oklahoma in both 144 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:31.799 houses of the Oklahoma Legislature openly advocating for implementing Christianity and the result is violence 145 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:35.000 against kids. Gentlemen, I want to ask you, how can we reflect? 146 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:37.720 How can we take this topic and apply it to a violation of our 147 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:41.679 constitutional rights? Kelly, you want to go first. He'd have to prove 148 00:10:41.679 --> 00:10:46.399 that it was religiously motivated, and I don't know if that's possible. Well, 149 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:50.240 I think you can. I think you can prove it's religiously motivated because 150 00:10:50.559 --> 00:10:54.279 empirical study after empirical study after empirical study. I've got him on my computer 151 00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:56.559 right now, I've got him in a library because of this shit. Empirical 152 00:10:56.600 --> 00:11:01.480 study shows that whenever this type of discipline is in limited, whenever you have 153 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:09.759 discipline and programs like UH corporate punishment or abstinence only programs. You see undesired 154 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:13.240 outcomes. There's there's negative correlations. I know that, Jason, But you 155 00:11:13.279 --> 00:11:16.320 didn't prove to me that it wasn't religiously motivated. Well, because what else 156 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:20.120 would it be motivated by? You can you can tie directly speak just tradition. 157 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:22.360 Yeah, but what about this is the tradition of our society. It 158 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:26.000 doesn't have to be tied to religion. Yes, that's then, well, 159 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:30.440 then at that point it evolves past what religion and then it goes into the 160 00:11:30.440 --> 00:11:35.279 field of what we call cultural culturally acceptable beliefs. That's a that's a bold 161 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:39.600 word in your textbook, culturally acceptable beliefs. We're not talking about it in 162 00:11:39.679 --> 00:11:43.399 a textbook. We're talking about in a course. That's but that's how you 163 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:46.679 would use it. And there's empirical data that you can use to back how 164 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:50.320 these things can be harmful in Okay, I understand what you're saying, Jason, 165 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:54.039 but what I'm saying doesn't seem to be hidden with you. Yes, 166 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:56.919 it's a bad system. We can prove that it's a bad system, but 167 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:01.840 you have to prove that when they pass this law. They passed it for 168 00:12:01.960 --> 00:12:05.000 religious reasons, well, Kelly, and that you can't do with the empirical 169 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:11.279 data that you're talking about. In the government. The proponents of this law 170 00:12:11.559 --> 00:12:15.399 are actively citing the Bible. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, right Like, 171 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:18.440 they are saying, this is what we should be allowed to do because 172 00:12:18.559 --> 00:12:22.240 of what is in the Bible. And so I think that that does kind 173 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:28.799 of transcend strictly government operations and shows a gross violation of our constitutional rights by 174 00:12:30.039 --> 00:12:33.759 endorsing a religion. It's not even a gross violation, it's treasonous and traitorous. 175 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:39.519 What you're doing is a preferential treatment of a nuanced version of a religion 176 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:46.559 by a very specific sociocultural group in a certain region, like it is regionally 177 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:50.480 specific to a certain culture. I mean, if that's not preferential treatment over 178 00:12:50.519 --> 00:12:56.200 all religious interpretations, to me, that that's disgusting. And I think it's 179 00:12:56.279 --> 00:12:58.039 very specific and you can see a pattern, you can build off of it 180 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:01.519 and see the different people who believe these things are promoting them in their different 181 00:13:01.519 --> 00:13:05.440 pockets, and then generally these motherfuckers talk to each other and interact and share. 182 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:09.720 Here's the thing too, I I just think we have a higher standard 183 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:13.039 when that the courts have a higher standard with something like this, and that's 184 00:13:13.080 --> 00:13:16.759 why we have people, we have coaches, That's why we have coaches doing 185 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:20.279 prayers on football fields. I think that I think the courts have lower standards 186 00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:22.679 and that's a problem. And we talked about this my last higher they have 187 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:26.720 higher standards for the evidence that you need to win this case. That's what 188 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:28.919 I mean. Jason, He's got a point, now, doesn't he. 189 00:13:30.080 --> 00:13:33.600 So we've maybe we've got yeah, but we've got our And I'm going to 190 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:37.840 be very careful because I was on one episode of the Nonprofits and I called 191 00:13:37.879 --> 00:13:41.080 him our Secretary of State and I got completely eviscerated, immistrated in the comments 192 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:46.279 our Speaker of the House there is because you who like to point out my, 193 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:50.159 my, uh my misspeaks, but our Speaker of the House is on 194 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:54.720 the house floor reading from the Bible, praying, not being held accountable. 195 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:56.159 So yeah, I mean, I think Kelly might have a point in the 196 00:13:56.200 --> 00:14:00.519 fact that, well, Jason, I agree the standards are low, right, 197 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:03.879 but the that that only means that it sways so far in the other 198 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:09.919 direction for them to actually be convinced that what's happening is a violation of the 199 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:11.519 Constitution. Jolly, how did I do there? Yeah? That was good 200 00:14:11.559 --> 00:14:16.120 and maybe not just convinced, but sway to give up what they what they 201 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:20.039 believe with all their hearts right, and it's not And I and Jason, 202 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:24.840 I totally agree with you with with that data. I totally agree with that. 203 00:14:24.080 --> 00:14:28.480 I think there's way better ways to deal with children than to hit them. 204 00:14:28.559 --> 00:14:33.519 You know, like when my kids through temper tantrums, I threw one 205 00:14:33.559 --> 00:14:35.399 with them and that stopped it. You know, what this reminds me of 206 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:41.759 is opposition against queer people in queer marriage. There's no fucking reason why anybody 207 00:14:41.759 --> 00:14:46.480 would oppose that except for religious motivation. Yeah, I mean, it's it's 208 00:14:46.519 --> 00:14:50.840 so silly. There's no there's no scientific backing, there's no social fucking damage 209 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:54.799 to it. So you reverse it and you see something like this and I 210 00:14:54.840 --> 00:14:58.840 can't help. I don't know. I don't know. And the reason I 211 00:14:58.840 --> 00:15:03.720 said it's lower than my standard is that was discuss in the last law course 212 00:15:03.799 --> 00:15:07.600 that I took before I got my degree, was that they value things like 213 00:15:07.679 --> 00:15:13.519 a priori and precedent over over empiricism and repeated data. That's a problem and 214 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:16.679 just now we're I mean maybe in the past fifteen years when it comes to 215 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:20.879 like it's just I don't know from what I've learned and what I've experienced and 216 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:24.399 what I see all the way from compass sentencing software to I don't know. 217 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:26.919 I can start ranting, but I don't think the law and the way things 218 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:31.519 happen. I think it's exactly what you're saying. It's fucking public opinion and 219 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:35.960 sway and confirmation bias and has nothing to do with the fucking truth. It 220 00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:41.120 disgusts me. So though there is something else that I think is incredibly alarming, 221 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:43.240 they're not even trying to hide it. They're not even trying to make 222 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:46.120 Yeah, I mean, yeah, man. They are out in public, 223 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:50.360 they are their records are being kept, They're out there quoting the Bible on 224 00:15:50.399 --> 00:15:54.840 an open floor, and there is no shame. And the children are not 225 00:15:54.879 --> 00:15:58.519 going to be the first victims. I mean, they're certainly not the least, 226 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:00.840 right, but they're not going to be the first. And they're going 227 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:06.720 to come for other people once they get once they establish kind of their control, 228 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:08.559 just like they've done in the past. They're going to come from members 229 00:16:08.559 --> 00:16:12.240 of other religions. They're going to come for atheists and women and other minority 230 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:15.279 groups, and this is how it starts with an attack on children. So 231 00:16:15.320 --> 00:16:18.679 I'd like to get your your comments on that thought, gentlemen, and then 232 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:22.960 we can close out. Go ahead, Jason meah, I feel like the 233 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:29.320 attack's already happening. Yeah, let's not forget. They're already allowed to hit 234 00:16:29.360 --> 00:16:32.919 students, right, so well, I mean, you're already allowed to fucking 235 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:37.840 marginalize people and discriminate, you know, and you're allowed to do these things. 236 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:41.879 What I think happened is that, you know, possibly a certain political 237 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:47.600 figure who behaves a certain way did a good job representing a bunch of fucking 238 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:52.080 shitty people, and now they're emboldened. And now people have been left unchecked 239 00:16:52.399 --> 00:16:56.279 because people who believe in things like peace and passivism, you know, think, 240 00:16:56.360 --> 00:17:00.639 you know, maybe if I'm a reasonable logical human being, I can 241 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:03.960 reason and logic and fix things. But the problem is is there's seems to 242 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:07.960 be a lot more people who are swayed by fucking trash and really want to 243 00:17:07.960 --> 00:17:11.680 behave that way. And it's sad because those motherfuckers have a lot of money 244 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:15.839 and a lot of resources and a lot of connections and our position. Put 245 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:19.799 in a prop up in a place of authority and then say the right words 246 00:17:19.839 --> 00:17:25.519 and wave a fucking bible around and somehow they're elected in or given a bunch 247 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:30.000 of money. I don't know. I think I don't have much hope, 248 00:17:30.319 --> 00:17:33.319 and I do think it's it's just getting more and more brazen, because good 249 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:38.839 people do good things, and generally those good things don't involve barging your way 250 00:17:38.839 --> 00:17:45.079 into everybody's fucking brain and trying to indoctrinate them so and beating your religion into 251 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:48.079 them, right, and beating your fucking beliefs into them. I don't know. 252 00:17:48.119 --> 00:17:51.680 I'm not a pacifist, but I think the best way to be is 253 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:55.079 probably a pacifist. So I don't know. I don't know. It just 254 00:17:55.160 --> 00:17:57.279 it breaks my fucking heart and I don't see it getting any better anytime soon. 255 00:17:57.440 --> 00:18:00.200 Ella thoughts, I get the really and beat out of me. I 256 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:04.720 was, I mean, religion was associated with my stepfather. He was the 257 00:18:04.759 --> 00:18:10.319 one that maybe go to church, so you know, and I just I 258 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:14.559 feel for the kids that are going to suffer from this. I know that 259 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:17.519 they, like you said, they're already allowed to do it in Oklahoma. 260 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:22.319 We can only hope and pray that most teachers don't, that most teachers are 261 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:29.480 intelligent enough to understand that beating children is the last resource of incompetent, of 262 00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:33.960 the incompetent to steal a phrase. But like, there's so many other ways 263 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:37.519 to deal with children and beating them. Like I said, they don't know 264 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:40.599 a whole lot about the world. You can use that to your advantage. 265 00:18:40.680 --> 00:18:44.240 You can use that short attention span to your advantage. You just have to 266 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:47.119 be smarter than the kids. And how hard is it to be smarter than 267 00:18:47.160 --> 00:18:51.480 a seven year old? You know? Yeah, So I want to kind 268 00:18:51.519 --> 00:18:55.119 of take a different approach real quick and just ask you guys. With the 269 00:18:55.119 --> 00:19:00.799 Bible being quoted in the Oklahoma House and Senate and then being used to support 270 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:06.440 a law that would generally lead to the overall harm of children, can we 271 00:19:06.519 --> 00:19:08.799 consider the Bible a form of hate speech? Jason, what do you think? 272 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:15.200 I don't know. I think something like that is benign. I'm also 273 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:19.400 have a weird opinion on art and literature, things like comedy anything like that. 274 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:25.240 Like I really feel like anything should more or less be allowed because what 275 00:19:25.279 --> 00:19:26.960 it is, it's like a model. It's not the real thing. It's 276 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:32.759 a model. It's a representation of an idea. So I catch a lot 277 00:19:32.799 --> 00:19:37.039 of shit for this, but I'm okay with pretty much any idea being presented. 278 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:38.680 I'm okay with it being presented in any way they want to do it, 279 00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:44.039 even if it's ways that offend people. That's how I feel about art. 280 00:19:44.119 --> 00:19:47.960 The thing is this, so once you take that art and you weaponize 281 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:52.960 it, it's not the art that's doing it, it's the human being and 282 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:56.279 the structure around it. So by blaming words on paper, to me, 283 00:19:56.839 --> 00:20:00.440 is missing the whole point, and you're missing what's really happening, and what 284 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:07.119 you're what's really happening is you have groups of people that you can identify by 285 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:11.279 name by name that are doing fucked up things. And we can blame the 286 00:20:11.319 --> 00:20:12.799 Bible all day. You know, I can write a bunch of fucked up 287 00:20:12.799 --> 00:20:15.319 words on a piece of paper, but if you know, somebody can do 288 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:18.960 what they want with it, it's not my fault. Real short, yes, 289 00:20:19.079 --> 00:20:25.039 if there were still Amorites and Amalekites and Babylonians around it, just definitely 290 00:20:25.079 --> 00:20:29.440 hate speech. Well yeah that's different. Well, you know we're gonna We're 291 00:20:29.480 --> 00:20:33.000 gonna close this segment out, but I can't do so without referencing, uh, 292 00:20:33.039 --> 00:20:36.319 you know Jason's point about comedy, you know, and I want to 293 00:20:36.400 --> 00:20:38.880 quote Chris Rock when he said, you know, there are just some professions 294 00:20:40.119 --> 00:20:42.559 you can't be bad at, right, Uh, And I think the teacher 295 00:20:42.599 --> 00:20:47.319 is one of them. Right. Teachers are undervalued in our society. Uh. 296 00:20:47.359 --> 00:20:51.960 And you know they deserve more. And when we continue, as we 297 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:55.160 continue to undervalue them, we're going to see them go away, and we're 298 00:20:55.160 --> 00:20:59.160 going to get the ranks filled with people who just don't belong there. Uh. 299 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:02.240 And so I want to thank everybody. Of course, a teacher would 300 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:06.880 tell us that, yeah, true. Uh I teach one day a week, 301 00:21:06.960 --> 00:21:10.039 so don't put the full title on me. But uh, yeah, 302 00:21:10.119 --> 00:21:14.039 great discussion. Uh, this was This was a wonderful segment, And everybody, 303 00:21:14.039 --> 00:21:14.839 thanks for tuning in.