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Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going on here.
Something just kid with my dog, something to kill your dog? My dog.
We're flying through there over the tree. I don't know how it did
it? Okay, damn, I'm really confused. All I saw was my
dog coming over the fence and name was dead once you hit the grill.
I didn't see any cars. All I saw was my dog coming over the
fence. Happen? What are you reporting? We got some wonder or something
crawling around out here? Did you see what it was? It was enough
here. Look, I'm new to one doow now and I don't need anything.
I don't want to go outside. Hello, hit the buddy out here,
quin on out there? It's thought of a mention about text nine.
I don't know. Easy announce there. Yeah, I'm welcome, right heady
he then, thanks so much for joining me for the show. I hope
you're having an amazing Sunday. I wanted to do something a little different this
week. I actually took this episode. It is a recent episode that Wayne
and I recorded of that Bigfoot podcast. And although that show has grown exponentially
over the last few months. It's clear that not all of you guys are
listening to it. I know a lot of people are just into the encounters,
but we do really have a lot of great conversations over there, and
this was one of those conversations that we got into for this past week's episode
that I really wanted to share with you guys because I think it's a very
important topic. There was some bleed over from some of the mailbag stuff and
some of the emails that you guys have sending in as well as the newsletter
that I do. If you haven't signed up for the Bigfoot weekly newsletter,
you have to do is go to Paranormal Worldproductions dot com. The link is
right here in the show notes. It takes you five seconds to put in
your name and email address and hit sign up, and then you get access
to the archives of all the ones that I've sent out previously, and I'm
going to do those every single week on Sunday. You don't get spammed to
death. You just get the free newsletter and people are really really enjoying it.
I've actually missed a week and had people reaching out to me saying,
hey, where's the newsletter man? You haven't put one out, so we'd
love to have you be a part of the conversation, and we'd certainly love
to have you start listening to that Bigfoot podcast. I'm definitely not gonna make
it a habit of cross posting and putting those episodes over here. So if
you want to listen to the show, the link is right here in the
show notes. You can get it anywhere you're listening right now. Just type
in that Bigfoot Podcast. You'll see the cool logo pop up, and there's
like fifty four episodes for you to catch up on, so there's plenty of
stuff over there. I think you'll really enjoy the show. Just a little
caveat here. We do use some language in the show. I have taken
it out for this episode, so you'll hear a couple of things where there
may have been an F bomb that's not there now, So it might sound
a little little glitchy in the episode here and there, when Wayne and I
get fired up about something, the F bombs tend to fly. But I
know a lot of kids to listen to the show, so I took all
of that out. So if you hear that that's exactly what's going on.
But enough of that. I know you guys are ready to get into it.
I am certainly ready for you to hear this episode. So all it's
left for you to do a sit back, relax and enjoy the show.
Wayne, what's going on? Mann? What's up? Buddy? How you
doing today? I am tired already. I've been up working since seven o'clock
this morning. I've got a huge day ahead of me. This is the
first of the many episodes that I'm going to have to do with multiple podcasts
today, guesting on other people shows, but it's part of the gig.
Man. Nobody gets to rest on Sunday. One year a podcast, there
is no Sundays in podcasting. Every day is a workday when you work for
yourself. I used to hear people say that, and I never understood it
until now. But I'm definitely not complaining. It is one of the best
things about what I get to do every day. I love getting behind the
microphone and doing this show, in particular with you. What's been going on
with you? Man? Not a whole lot as Lee get together. It
is about ten thirty Sunday morning. I set my alarm for nine o'clock this
morning, and when I woke up, I had seen you posted something a
couple hours ago on Facebook on what the hell is he doing up at seven
o'clock on a Sunday. You're right, man, there's really not any days
off when you work for yourself because you tend to put stuff off, or
I do anyway, and it just drags on. Man. But I do
enjoy this time. This is my favorite part of the week, getting together
with you and talking Bigfoot. Oh, it makes me feel so special.
Yes, it is one of my favorite times. I do have to write
a newsletter. I've got to put a newsletter out today. I failed to
do that last week. So all you guys that are waiting on the newsletter,
it will come to your email at some point in time today during the
multiple podcasts I have to record. But I will get that out to you
guys. I'm gonna do it on a topic that I think is interesting.
We're gonna talk a little bit about it at the end here or towards the
end of this I think we're gonna get into it. That's going to springboard
me into the newsletter because it's something that I've been wanting to talk about and
I think it's a valid question that Russ brought up over in our Bigfoot Encounters
and Field Research group on Facebook that is incidentally at a little over six thousand
people at this point, I think it's like sixty three hundred people in that
group. I've had that group going since I started Sasquatch Odyssey. We made
it to about three thousand members and two and a half three years of me
doing that show, that has literally doubled in the last three to four months,
so it is growing exponentially. If you guys aren't a part of that
on Facebook, we would love to have you a part of the conversation.
All you got to do is go over to Facebook look for the group Bigfoot
Encounters and Field Research, and you will see the group by paring on more
World productions there. We got a lot of great people in there. There's
a lot of activity going on. That used to be one of the rubs
for you and I was getting people to engage, but we don't have a
problem with engagement over there now. There's tons of people posting. Everybody's going
back and forth. People are sharing their experiences, their research. A lot
of other people share their shows over there. Obviously, we don't stop people
from sharing their shows. We want you guys to get as much content as
possible. We hope that you're listening to everything that we do, but other
people are doing some great things as well, so we don't mind you sharing
that over there, as long as it's not the only thing you do.
But we have a swollen mail bag this morning. Fen it's woling. The
mail bag is swollen, So I'm going to dig around in here and get
some of these emails out of the way so we can unswell the mail bag
because you guys have been firing these emails off. I think you texted me
a couple of days ago after the show went out on Friday and asked,
hey, we're getting any feedback, And I woke up till twelve emails the
first morning, and it's just grown from there. So we're not going to
get to all of these today, but I'm going to do my very best
to I take them in order as they come in whatever we're going to talk
about today. So let's get right into it, man, It says Brian.
I was disgusted to read the Reddit thing you posted by the idiot who
was railing against you. Your podcast has been a total breath of fresh air
for me, even and consistent in my sanity every week as I am a
stay at home mom of three with little support. I have a filled biology
background in man, Listening to you and Wayne all of your shows keeps me
feeling connected to another part of myself. I do not at all relate to
what that jerk was saying and the level of effort it took him to post
that. Oh my god, the level of intense hatred. No, just
no. Please know that you are valued and appreciated by so many and this
is extremely hurtful and being a human being, you will take it in somewhat,
but I hope you leave most of it behind. It's just hate.
I hate it here. You are being busy and productive. You produced hundreds
of podcasts with fresh content weekly. This dude is just spouting off and will
never be able to produce anything other than divisive bullshit. Carry on as you
are lol. My husband is from England. I have a lot of those
to keep it going. Thanks for all you do and PS. Wayne's recent
pot incorporating my suggested topic was so special to me and my kiddos, and
until I can send him a thanks, I hope you can pass it along
to him. It made my day as well as my kid's day. It
was the one about the bears and the kids and the missing four one one
stuff. Your professionalism shines, and your law enforcement training certainly gave you the
mind for evaluating the Sasquatch stuff. Keep squatching, my friend, and I
appreciate you, Joe Lynn. Appreciate that, Joe Lynn very much. Obviously,
if you guys haven't seen it, I posted it in the group,
and I posted it on my Facebook, and I even think I posted it
on the page. Some guy went on this huge Reddit rant. He said
it was a review of my show Sasquatch Odyssey, but it just turned out
to be a whole lot of personal attacks. He was attacking my police service,
even attacking the City of Atlanta Police department. There was so much there.
But I tell you, I posted it on Facebook and social media because
I tell you really got to me, dude, it behind the scenes.
You've known me for years now and see some of the crap that you and
I both get. I have had some haters along the way that have railed
against me and my show from day one, calling me a copycat because I
did an encounter show and I stole everything that Wes Germer had ever done.
If you listen with intellectual honesty, you see the differences in my show versus
Wes's show. It's just that simple. The intro's different, my style of
interviews different. But that was one of the things that this guy went on
his many rants about this was like pages of stuff that he wrote, to
the point where he was laying it out in categories talking about me and the
show. I didn't see any criticism of the show. He didn't criticize anything
about the production value or any of those things. It was just a personal
attack against me. It got to me, dude, I'm a human being
like it. Eventually, it just wears on me enough. I try to
let it be water off a ducks back. I got tons of emails about
that, and I appreciate the support, but it is tough because you put
yourself out there. I try to do the best show that I can.
No matter what I'm doing, whether it's this show, my show, Backwood
Torror Stories, whether it's the True Crime, whether I'm guessing on another podcast,
it doesn't matter to me, I try to do the best thing I
can do for the people that want to listen and entertain you, guys,
the way you want to be entertained. When you have somebody personally attacking you
like that, it really got to me. So I posted it just to
say look more, just to draw attention to him. In particular, I've
said it about read it before. Readit is the bunghole of social media in
my opinion, because here's the thing. I don't even go on Reddit.
The only reason I knew that reddit rant was out there is because this motherfucker
did the Reddit rant, and then he sent it to me in a message
so that I would see it and engage, which I did. I didn't
engage the way I normally do. I got a little pissed off in the
beginning, but then I just started messing with him. He was talking about
me cruising ponstantly on and losing my balls while I was on patrol at Posta
Lyon, and I was just winking at him and poking fun. And I
said, dude, I really do feel sorry for you, because at the
end of the day, I think he's probably off mentally and door he's just
stalker ish dude. Like, I've never been so obsessed with anybody in any
media form whatsoever that I would sit down and take the time out of my
day that this guy did to a formulate all those sentences and then to type
them out. It was amazing to me. I don't know what else to
say. I didn't want to spend a ton of time on it, but
yeah, it kissed me off. Dude. Let me jump in here real
quick, Brian, All there is to it is he thinks you're cute.
He's the bully on the playground that sees the little girl in the pigtails and
don't know how to talk to her. He's trying to get your attention.
And for y'all that can't see this, Brian just about spit out his or
whatever he's drinking. But I think that's the truth a couple of things.
I'm not going to spend a whole lot of time on it either, because
this doesn't deserve it. Lord long Rod, he talked about you didn't spend
enough time in law points man, there's this prerequisite. You're not a real
cop unless you do it for a dozen years. Twelve years, that's the
number I don't know if that's an official number. You can speak to that
in a minute, Brian, I don't think it is. But twelve years.
You didn't even give it twelve years, and that's what you got to
do. The first thing I asked Brian after he sent me this, after
he read it. He sent it to me, and I just couldn't believe
it. But my first question that Brian was no longer were you in law
enforcement? He said, sixteen years? Okay, dumbass, there's the first
incorrect statement that you made. Another very incorrect, and I'll stop after this
one. This more on made the statement that you throw out being a law
enforcement professional like it's something to brag about, like it's something to be proud
of, when it's not. It gives you less credibility. I wonder if
he was sitting at home, in front of his computer, in his stained
whitey tidies, typing out his hate to all the other podcasters, that all
the other people that do what he wants to do that he can't stand while
he's doing this, is someone broke in to his basement that he lives in
and pulled a gun on him. What do you call? Oh? Nine
one one would he have that same opinion the cops that came and risked their
lives to come in there and face that person with the gun? Would he
have that same opinion that dude, you're a more on That's all there is
to it. Most everything you said in that rant was incorrect. Brian's married,
leave him alone, find somebody else. Oh yeah, that's a couple
of other people said the same thing. Though he's clearly got something going for
Brian or something like that. I thought it was funny. But yeah,
after a couple of days of letting it city in, obviously I'm able to
laugh about it. But when I read that in the beginning, I think,
man, it just amazes me that somebody could be so upset about me,
somebody that they've never met. I don't think we've ever crossed paths.
The last message I sent him, when I was not feeling very nice,
I did send him a message on read it full disclosure, and I said,
I don't know where you're at, d but I'd love to meet you
face to face and have a conversation. And I really would. I would
really like to have a conversation. I would sit down. I'm not talking
about physical violence here, folks. I'm just saying I would gladly buy the
guy a cup of coffee and just sit and have a conversation and see if
he'd say the same things to me face to face that he said behind a
keyboard, because I don't think he would. He might surprise me, I
don't know. But he hasn't taken me up on the offer, folks.
I put it out there. It's public on Reddit, everybody can see it.
So I did offer to meet him up and buy him a cup of
coffee. I'm not talking about beating his ass. So nobody called the police,
okay. Next to email. Wow, that was so good. I
listened to that song all the time. You really did it Justice. I'm
going to see if I can find more of your music. Love the podcast
too, by the way, Cindy t she's talking about the whiskey and you
cover I did. I don't know how many episodes back on Sasquatch, obviously.
I think it was sometime last year, maybe early last year. People
were asking me about my music. Some people had come across it on SoundCloud
and some other places, and we're asking me to post some songs. I
made it. The outro of a couple of episodes, so I guess people
are still finding the show and finding those episodes. I'll just give you a
little taste here before we go any further. Enough of that, folks,
if you want to see that, hear that, listen to that, you
can go find it on Sasquatch hot to see. I'm me throwing another here
at some point in time. But yes, I did record an album about
ten years ago. I've sang in bands and done music all my life,
but I've left that behind for podcasting, so I only do that for fun
now. But it is out there if you guys want to listen to it.
Yeah, Brian, real quick. Before we move on to the next
one, let me circle back to that first one. I did want to
recognize Joe Lynn. She did send me a recommendation. I got heated when
I was defending you, so I forgot to mention her. But yeah,
thank you joel Anne for the recommendation, and tell your lovely daughters that I
say hello. That was my pleasure. Thank you, joe Linn. Next
email says, hey, guys, I am in the middle of listening to
that Bigfoot podcast episode fifty four, and I had to pause it and jump
over to send this Ooh, this could be good. Leave the crickets fires
an owl in the Backwoods Horror Stories podcast, if anything, find a way
to turn the owl down a smidge and maybe that will satisfy the haters.
It's not a big deal. And maybe that guy's dog barked because it was
actually a fan of the show, or maybe the guy needs to go outside
and touch some grass and bring his dog out with him and it won't bark
at the noises. Regardless, the added ambiance fits the show. Don't remove
it anyway. Keep up the good work. I enjoy all of you,
guys. Shows that comes from David. David is talking about the couple of
emails and the voicemails we got last week about the ambiance sounds in the Backwoods
Horror Stories podcast. If you guys aren't listening to Backwood Horror Stories, you
should be. What's wrong with you? You can find it on YouTube.
You can find it right here where you're listening to this podcast. All you
got to do is type in Backwoods Horror Stories and if you like narrated stories,
there's plenty there for you guys to listen to. And I am going
to change up the ambiance a little bit. I think the owls might be
a little loud, so I'm gonna work on that. When I record some
more of those in the next couple of days, I'll get another episode of
that out for you guys. I've got some stories in the hopper. I
just have not been able to record them, but we'll get them out to
you soon enough. Next email. Great discussion of this event. You really
brought all the different scenarios together and analyze them both entertaining and educational. Nicely
done. Now, if you wanted another deep dive to explore, look into
the Philadelphia experiment with the US Navy trying to cloak a destroyer. Total bunk,
bullshit and fantasy. Yes, it's repeated over and over by renowned podcasters
and radio personalities, so easy to disprove, but nobody even tries. Maybe
it's something you guys would like to talk about anyway, Keep on going.
That comes from Big T. Big T is obviously talking about the Lost Colony
of Row A note that we put out a couple of episodes back. I
don't remember what it went out to be honest, it might have been Friday,
It might have been last Wednesday, But if you haven't listened to that
episode, it is where Wayne and I we were talking about doing a show
called Disturbing History that never really got off the ground because that Bigfoot podcast was
born, and I am glad that happened. But I do enjoy the talking
about history and talking about things like the Lost Colony of Roanoke. That was
the only episode that you and I got to record of that show, and
I put it out there and we've gotten several emails about it. People seem
to enjoy it. I know you and I really enjoyed doing that kind of
stuff. So we may do some more of that in the future. I
don't know. Yeah, yeah, it was last Wednesday that came out,
and I sent Brian a text message right after it came out, and I
listened to it because it had been like a year or something since we recorded
it, and I had forgotten a lot of it, and I just I
told him and said, man, I forgot how fun that was. That
was cool. I enjoyed doing that. Maybe there's more to come, guys.
Yeah, maybe we just need to go on and do Disturbing History.
What we both need, like another hole in our head. Is for either
one of us to do another freaking podcast next email. The canoe idea A
little backstory on this idea. If you've ever watched Expedition Bigfoot I think it
was season three. They rigged up a car with a night vision camera and
fleer cameras getting all angles, then drove down a road that had reported crossings
they actually called an anomaly which looked like something running across the street. This
triggered my idea with the canoe. It would be a manned canoe, so
it's not lost or caught on anything, but that person is just navigating the
canoe and keeping their mouths shut. It might work. That's the idea.
Keep up the great work, gents. And also, as I'm typing,
I'm listening to that Bigfoot podcast. People need to stop whining about the bird
noises. If that's the worst thing in their lives, then they have it
pretty good, so tell them to stuff it. This guy that is making
the comments about how people charge for their services, who is he? I've
never heard of him, and maybe that's why he's being a whiny ass baby.
Maybe he wants to be paid for what he does. He's jealous.
Time to grow up, whoever you are. Love the rants, guys,
never drink the kool aid. Peace out that comes from Mike w and stay
tuned for more Sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back after these messages.
We appreciate that, Mike. I think the canoe idea is one that
might have legs. Again, I don't know. I think that's something that
somebody out there needs to take up the gauntlet on and at least try to
do it. I think if they had some success driving a car down the
road with fleer cameras and night vision cameras, I think you could possibly do
that with a canoe. I don't know, there's somebody out there right now
with an old canoe that is just sitting around nothing happening that have been used
in years. Do this experiment and let us know how it works, because
I really think it could lead to something and I'm curious about it. So
hopefully there's someone out there, and if someone does do this, please let
us know how it turns out. Absolutely next email, short and sweet.
Good morning, mister Brian. I'm listening to the current episode of that Bigfoot
podcast. I like the sound effects and backwoods horror stories. Please don't take
them out of the show. The show is awesome, Grayson, are shape
that? Grayson. I'm going to play a quick voicemail here because we're talking
about that. It is really simple and to the point, and it goes
along with Grayson's email. Keith the bird NOI is. I like him.
Yeah, you does a good job. He felt was a good work.
I hope y'all have a great day. There you go. It seems to
be you nantomous that we need to keep the bird noises in backwards horror stories.
I think we're definitely going to do that. Next email, says dear
Brian. I'm a longtime listener and huge fan of all of your podcasts.
I'm from Vancouver Island and have messaged you before about stories from my grandparents.
AnyWho, you are definitely in my top three Bigfoot podcasts. I especially appreciate
your open mindedness towards all possibilities of bigfoot. It's refreshing to hear such a
balance and thoughtfulness approach to the subject. I especially enjoy your conversations you have
with Wayne on that Bigfoot podcast. I could be listening and think of something
and not long after Wayne will say exactly what I was thinking. Wayne is
the bigfoot savant. People. I have said it over and over and Carolyn
has clearly proven my point. What you guys do is very insightful. Thanks
for keeping the conversation going. Ps. I love the ambient music that comes
from Carolyn Cee from Vancouver Island. Again, Wayne, you clearly have it.
Dude, you are the Bigfoot savant. She's thinking it, damn it,
and you say it a few seconds later. Wayne, how do you
do it? Man? Why can't I translate that to some damn lottery numbers
or something useful. I don't know, I have no idea. I like
the little nickname or the little joke that goes with it. Yeah, just
keep it up. There you have it, folks, the Bigfoot Savant has
spoke. Leave the background noise. Screw the two rejects. Jeff. That
was very short and sweet, Jeff. We appreciate the email, my friend.
Next email subject background sounds on Backwoods horror stories. Each message Brian,
we met last year at the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot Conference dinner. I know you've
met a lot of people. You probably don't remember me. Ha. Anyway,
the background campfire noise is fine. Some people just want to complain about
anything. If you feel like you need to do something or appease some of
them, then turn down the background noise a little geez. Some people anyway,
carry on the good work. Oh and hotty Toddy Bill w not sure
what the haughty Toddy means. I don't like hot time party, not like
an old Miss Rebels kind of thing. It could be a sports reference,
God knows if it is. I don't know what could means. So that's
why the Bigfoot Savant is here next you. Well, dude, I listened
to the latest episode of that Bigfoot podcast. You guys had me cackling like
a madman. Lol. When Wayne said go into the woods on your own
and shut the up. I literally choked on some pork rimes. Joel.
Oh that was a private message on Instagram from Joel. We go back and
forth a lot on Instagram, and I told him, I said, dude,
you literally just made my day with that. He doesn't get any better
than that. Wayne says, go into the woods on your own and shut
the up, and he's choking on poor crimes. And that is as country
as it gets, as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, Joel sent me
that exact same message he did on Messenger. Joel and I talk quite a
bit on Messenger. He's a good guy and he's invited me up to He
doesn't whoam and invited me up to come and hang out up in the mountains
up there. Hopefully one day I'll get a chance to take him up on
that offer, because I would love to get out there. I've never been
on that side of the country. Sounds like a weaner. Next email says
Hi, Brian and Wayne just listening to that Bigfoot podcast and getting a kick
out of the people complaining about the background noise and backwoods to horrist toris I
love the background noise. I agree, it gives me the perception of feeling
like we're sitting around a campfire. That dude has pansy dogs, just like
the noise. He obviously does not take the dogs out after dark. Of
all your shows, and really appreciate all you do as well as Wayne and
Tiffany doing their shows. Have a great one and that comes from Brad.
Yeah, it's clear that people enjoy the ambient noise in the Backwards Horror story,
so we may tweak it a little bit. But I think the general
consensus is I'm going to leave it in there. The guy that sent the
voicemail, I can't remember his name. I'm sorry I've slipped since then.
He's catching some heat now. He don't deserve it, that's his opinion.
He don't like the birds, but leave his dogs alone. They can't help
it. Okay. This message has been approved by the SPCA of America.
All Right, before we get into this last subject that I want to talk
about from Russ and his campfire chats over in the Bigfoot Encounters and Field Research
Group on Facebook, I want to play this. It's a couple of minutes
here from Maryann. It's just something that you and I talked about a couple
of episodes ago, and I definitely want to continue this conversation because I think
it's an important one. But I found this interesting because Mary Ann is doing
the Ozark Bigfoot conference that you and I are going to be doing out in
Missouri, I guess in September. But she's also a BFRO investigator and she
leads expeditions for the BFRO, and she heard us talking about protocol when it
comes to finding a body hitting one with a car. Shooting one whatever with
Bigfoot. So mary Anne took it upon herself to reach out to Map Moneymaker
and talk about the BFRO a little bit and see what their protocol was.
And here's what Marianne had to say. Hey, Brian, it's mary Anne.
I wanted to talk to you about the podcast the other day that talked
about protocol on what we were to do if we came across a body.
It made me think I'm in a position I wasn't in before because I currently
lead expeditions. So I reached out to Map Moneymaker and said, what is
our protocol here at the BFRO. Basically what I was told was, we
really don't have a protocol because it's so hard to nail down just exactly what
we should do because there are so many variables as to what state we're in.
Are we on private land, are we on public land, things like
that. I don't think we can have a general protocol. I think basically,
as people that are doing expeditions or just general public you need to have
this in the back of your mind. What do you do? What is
going to be your plan? Because just as sure as we're going out there
without a plan, is when somebody is going to find something. So I
think everybody needs to figure out what their own personal plan is. Like I
said when Moneymaker reached back out to me, it's basically there's just too many
variables to have one set protocol. Just a little food for thought there.
Also, I loved that Bigfoot podcast where you guys are talking about how people
want to get all up in the air because we're charging to take them out.
I agree with you guys one hundred and ten percent. It's not just
taking people out in the woods. There's planning, there's logistics. I feed
my people, I take care of them when we're out on private property.
We're bringing in porta potties and everything else. So these people get an experience.
They are with quote unquote Bigfoot celebrities. They're being fed, they're being
taken care of some of them. I even have all their camping equipment there
for them. All they have to do is show up. I agree with
you guys. These other people they're either jealous because they don't have it in
them to do it, or they don't know where to start and they just
put a wine about stuff. Thanks guys for all that you're doing. Thanks
so much. For propoting the Ozart Mountain Bigfoot Conference, and I can't wait
to see you guys in September. I think we're going to have a blast.
Bye. I think we are too. Marianne, Wayne and I are
both stoked about that. I know we're going to have a good time with
everybody out there. We're both definitely looking forward to it. I think that's
cool that she reached out to Moneymaker. I was curious what somebody like Matt.
I think Matt would have to be involved in that conversation, At least
on my personal opinion, he would need to be involved in that conversation as
the leader of the BFRO, one of the biggest Bigfoot organizations out there,
the biggest Bigfoot organization arguably it's out there, and I find it curious.
I agree. I think it's difficult that you have fifty states. It's difficult
to come up with something that's going to work everywhere. It would literally have
to be something that is tailored to the laws of the state, right because
there's laws of in certain states. I was reading this, I don't even
know why I read this. In a recent article or something, somebody was
talking about the fact that if you are in possession of, say a body
of a certain animal, it's illegal right outside of certain times of the year,
or just in general, you can't possess a certain mammals carcass it's illegal
because I guess people use it. They poach, they do things with their
pelts and things like that. I guess that's where the laws came from.
But would it be illegal to have a big foot in your possession? Could
you call a nine one one and say I have one, and then they
take it to jail because they use this obscure law or whatever. So there's
a lot to consider there, But I don't think it's something that we should
just say it's just too difficult because there's too many variables. We just shouldn't
worry about it. But I do agree with one thing that Marianne said is
I think everybody who does this, no matter what level you do it,
whether you're a complete novice and you go out into the woods twice a year
or you're somebody who's out there every single week, like a doctor Russ Jones,
for example, who spends a couple of hundred days a year in the
woods, on some level, you got to have your own personal plan as
far as I'm concerned, and I'm certainly starting to think more about that,
and I'm going to come up with that protocol for myself is just who do
I trust? Who do I call? If this happens? Am I going
to do? If I find something that is beyond a shadow of a doubt,
dead body, whatever the case may be, that we would need to
implement this protocol for I think everybody needs to be prepared for that. Again,
I think this conversation needs to continue. And even though there is a
lot to consider for the continental United States, just specifically the different laws and
the different variables, I think we can still come up with some sort of
a protocol, even if it's just a freaking phone tree with ten names on
it people to have and access to call people and just say this happened?
What the do I do? It doesn't have to be an end all,
be all SOP standard operating procedure protocol, but just a freaking phone tree,
a phone a friend to say, dude, I am at a loss.
I don't know what to do here. I don't know what do you think
about it? Man? I don't really agree with what Moneymaker said about different
variables in different states. Because sasquatch is not a proven animal, we don't
have laws in the books to when we can possess one when we can't.
So I feel like that being said, we can come up with a flat
standard operating procedure that should include all the states. Because bigfoot is not a
recognized species, it's nothing that we're going to get passed through Congress or anything
like that, obviously, because it's not a recognized species. But us as
investigators that go out, we should agree on something. I think that's just
my opinion. I don't see anyone getting arrested because they found a bigfoot body.
What would the charges be. They haven't been proven to be human.
If you found a human body and kept it, obviously you would be in
trouble even if you weren't the one that killed it. But Bigfoot, as
far as we know, isn't human, despite what some people catch them may
say. So I just I don't know. I think that we can as
a community come up with a standard operating procedure for what to do. Just
my opinion. We're definitely gonna keep talking about it. We're willing to be
a part of that conversation for sure. I want to get into this.
Russ over in the Bigfoot Encounters and Field Research group on Facebook, he posts
a lot of what he calls campfire discussions or camp fire chats around the show
and what we talk about on your show, my show, Paranormal Odyssey,
Sasquatch Odyssey, that Bigfoot podcast, and Russ brings up some good points.
He always has his opinions on things. In this first couple, here are
more of opinions that I'm going to read, and then I'm going to get
into something that I want you and I to have a conversation about and obviously
get you guys involved. In number one, Russ says, no matter how
good a picture is, it isn't going to prove Bigfoot. So it doesn't
matter if people post Paradoia pictures. There may be something there, there may
not be something there. It doesn't matter because a picture isn't going to prove
Bigfoot, so you don't need to debate that anymore. Right, I disagree
with that. Although pictures may not prove Bigfoot's existence, it certainly hurts the
conversation. That's the whole reason that you and I have such a hard time
with red circle squatches. And Paradolia pictures for all of the reasons that we've
stated so many different times. It's not about proving the species with a picture
or a video. It's about what it does to take away from the research.
R Us. So, that's what it's really all about for me.
I don't know if you have anything different to say, Wayne, but that's
really what it is. When we're calling people out like Harley with his Paradolia
pictures and Sandy sees Bigfoot every time he goes out, that hurts more than
it helps in my opinion. Yeah, there's absolutely nothing I can add to
that. You said it perfectly. I agree with for us that pictures are
never going to be the proof that's needed. It's never gonna happen. I've
said it many times. You can get the best quality picture in the world
of a Sasquart standing outside your window. What's one hundred percent real someone's gonna
screenplay. It's never gonna be enough. A picture is never going to be
enough. But those kind of pictures hurt us. So I agree with you
one thousand percent. Number two here Russ says, I don't have to give
you money. I have the choice to spend my money or not on Bigfoot,
So that debate can be put to rest. Right again, No,
it can't, Russ, because there's still people pissed off about it, and
that's why the debate continues. We have no problem with it. We've said
it over and over. That is correct. That's how capitalistic society works.
You either give your money to somebody because you're getting something that you perceive to
be valuable or not. But some people just don't get that. Mary Anne
just talked about it in the second part of her voicemail. She deals with
that she puts on these events You and I are going to speak at this
event that she's got going on in September, that people are paying money to
come see us and hear us and spend time in the woods with us.
We didn't make them do that. They're doing that on their own accord because
they see value in hearing you and I speak and spending time with us in
the woods. It's just that simple. So no, RUSS. Unfortunately,
until everybody stops trying to bring that up as a point of contention and saying
that people like Wayne and I shouldn't be doing that, we can't put that
debate to rest because it's going to continue to get perpetuated, don't you agree?
Why you hit it again? What's next? This is number three on
this particular post. Cloaking is not out of the range of possibilities. Octopus
can cloak, so it is possible for animals to cloak portals. I'm gonna
know on portals again. To his point, yes, octopus do have the
ability to change colors, blend in with their environments. In essence, as
he said, cloak. I think that's a little bit different when it comes
to bigfoot because here's the rub I have with that. And we've talked about
it before, and I've compared these animals and said, yeah, some of
these animals have these superabilities that may not be supernatural. They're just superabilities that
octopus have. And cuddlefish can change colors and blend with their environments. But
you're talking talking about an octopus and a cuddlefish versus a seven to eight foot
tall, upright walking bipedal what I would consider to be a primate, some
sort of a hominid, right or homanoid. I don't know any comparisons,
right, because if you say octopus can cloak, so chimpanzees should be able
to cloak. I've never seen a cloaking chimpanzee or an orangutan, so that's
the rub that I have with comparing them. Yes, it is possible that
animals do that. We know known species that are able to change shape and
change color to blend. But if you can't say that with a known species
that would be comparable to what I believe a sasquatch is, then I don't
think there's an argument there. To be honest with you, that makes sense
for me. I don't know if what I'm saying makes sense to you,
But don't you feel the same way. If yeah, we say octopus can
change colors and cloak, no argument, John down the street from me should
be able to do that too. In theory, right, John can't cloak,
so is he weird or you know what I'm saying. I just I
don't see the comparison there. Even though it is possible for animals like that,
if there's not a known species that we can point to that does similar
things. Now, if orangutans were known to be cloakers, could change color
and cloak like the predator, then you point to that and say, yeah,
orangutans do it so Sasquatch, if they exist, can probably do it.
I'm right there with you, But comparing apples and oranges, it just
doesn't make sense. Ron. Let me ask you this, Cloaking and disappearing
aren't the same thing, correct. I guess that depends on who you ask,
because here's how I interpret it. And I'm certainly no expert in any
of these things, cloaking or disappearing. But to me, when I say
cloaking, it comes back to the Klingon ships Star Trek, right. They
have cloaking abilities. The ship is still there. It's in the same position
that it was before. Some people have claimed that alien ships have been seen
cloaking. I've seen videos that look very compelling to me that they use clouds
and other things in the environment to cloak to mimic their surroundings, but they're
still physically there. It's a solid object that you can see. To me,
if something disappears, it's fucking gone, dude. It's gone. Right.
It's like me having a Hershey kiss in my hand and I put it
in my mouth and swallow. It's gone. It's no longer where it was.
So to me, that's the differentiator for cloaking versus disappearing in my mind,
so I would say they're different. Cloaking it can appear to be gone,
but it's still there. Disappearing is it's out. So cloaking essentially is
just blending in with your environment exactly. Wait, so I believe that's possible.
I believe that they could do that. What are their reported colors that
we see? It's brown, light, brown, red, black. All
these colors are in the forest, especially in autumn. I think that that
would be possible. But as far as disappearing, that's what I have a
problem with, just jumping from one dimension to another, the whole quantum physics
thing that I don't get. Also, portals, I don't know what to
think about portals because all of the missing persons cases I've been doing over on
Paranormal Odyssey, which people are loving, and I'm just loving doing them.
For a long time, I thought portals might be an explanation for some of
this stuff. But one, maybe not the last one I put up,
but the one before. Two weeks ago, I did this missing person's episode
on Paranormal Odyssey about three cases that looked at in the beginning to be paranormal
like someone stepped into a portal or was abducted by an alien or bigfoot guide
them. That's what people thought at first, but it turned out there was
perfectly acceptable explanations. The first one there was this, I think a three
by three hole that was covered up by tall grass and stuff, and this
gentleman fell in it, in this forty foot deep How he was found was
a rescuer almost stepped into the same hole. People were talking about him being
abducted by aliens when he fell into a hole. The next one was this
woman got caught in a rock slide. Rescuers were out there for days looking
for her. A couple of days go by and someone sees the bottom of
a boot sticking out. Well, we're talking to those hockets we're talking about
she was abducted, But no, she was caught. In the last lie,
and the last one, this dude was missing for fifty three years and
a rock fell on him, a boulder fell on him, and he was
underneath this thing for fifty something years. People swore he was abducted or something
else took him, but something happened and they found him. I don't know
why I got off on that tangent portals. I was talking about portals that
sometimes these things can be explained. Yeah, man, I think it's Okham's
razor all the way. I say it all the time. There's a reason
that I try to operate under the Okham's razor banner and say the simplest explanation
is probably the explanation. If you're out in the wilderness, it's more likely
that you're going to fall into a fucking hole than you're going to be abducted
by aliens or taken by a bigfoot. It just happens to work that way.
But again, most people want to go to those extraordinary explanations because the
mundane just doesn't seem as exciting or it's just not something that's really on people's
radar. So I don't know, man, Really quickly. Russ also posted
about the Rowan Oak episode. He said his campfire chat was that Bigfoot Podcast
episode fifty three, great episode on the Royal Note, Lost Colony. Everything
you guys bring us as entertaining, bring us whatever content you want. We
definitely appreciate that, Russ, and we will continue to do that. Here's
the meat and potatoes I want to get into then, I'm going to leave
you guys with a little bit of a teaser for what I want to talk
to Wayne about on the next episode. And I haven't even mentioned this Dwayne,
so it's going to be a little bit of a surprise for him.
I want to see his reaction. But before we get into that, let's
talk about this campfire chat that Russ posted a day or so ago. Number
One, why is there absolutely no collaboration in the bigfoot community? If people
are really serious about proving this, they would combine resources and money and do
a long term study like a year at a place like Snellgrove Lake. Why
why not? And then he says, take a group up to where Fred
is in Alaska. Those bigfoot come right out in the open. So that
brought something up to the forefront from me. I'm using this topic to springboard
into and I'm going to write about this in a little bit here for the
newsletter, because I think that is a really good question that I have asked
myself over and over again, is why isn't there more of that? We
have places like Area X. I've said it before. I think if there
is, and I'm still trying to work my way out there. It may
not happen this year, but I want to go at least in the next
year or so. I want to get out there and either get in with
Area X or the valley next door, because I think if these things are
real and they do exist, that is the place to have an experience with
them, in my opinion, even more so than Radium or Nordic or some
of the other places that Todd has claimed to have ongoing activity. I think
that is the place to go. But there are other places. Fred from
Alaska, like Russ said, I have Fred on weekly sharing the encounter story
after encounter story, and I haven't looked at the map. I haven't even
asked Fred about this. But if I was a betting man, I would
say it's probably within a five mile stretch on this river where a ton of
these encounters happen. That's not a huge area. If people were serious about
this, researchers were serious about this, why aren't people pooling their resources?
Why aren't more people invited into Area X, Why aren't more people invited into
the valley next door? And stay tuned for more sasquat chat to see We'll
be right back after these messages I'm asking a rhetorical question here because I think
I already know the answer at least some of the answers that I've come up
with and jotted down this morning for myself that I'm going to talk about it
in the newsletter. But that is a good question. Why aren't we doing
more of that? Why don't you think we're doing more of that? Wayne?
Do you think it has to do with ego? Does it come down
to this? Happened recently. I saw this on Facebook when we were talking
about charging and doing campouts and charging people for campouts. Somebody made the comment
on Facebook, if a person has a really good hot spot a number one,
they're not going to invite you out there, So they're just charging you
to go to wherever place is. And you're probably not going to have any
activity with the Bigfoot anyway, because most people know if you have an active
spot, you don't invite people in. You keep it for yourself. Is
that what it really boils down to for you? Have you had a conversation
with people or have you thought about this question? And what is it for
you that prevents us from collaborating and solving this problem and this mystery? Once
and for all I was thinking it while you were first talking about this,
and then you hit it on the head, Brian. I think it's the
ego. It's the same reason when I started Manimal Research, I looked into
joining other existing organizations. But one thing that kind of stirred me away from
it was all of the name calling, the finger pointing, you're a liar,
you're a hoax. This person didn't do this person did that, And
I think that's why people can't work together. What if some of these huge
bigfoot research organizations, like the wood Ad Conservacy and the BFRO, what if
they combined forces and pulled all the resources together as just this joint effort.
That'd be pretty cool. I think maybe we'd get a lot further. But
like you said, Brian, I think it's ego. I think everyone wants
to be the first person to get one. Each group wants that title bigfoot
sasquatch was discovered by the BFRO or by the wood Ad Conservacy, by Manimal
Research, everybody wants that title. That's what I feel. If we can
get past that and everyone worked together, if there was a global or a
national organization where we all belong to with set protocols, standard operating procedures.
I feel like we could get further, but I could be wrong. It
sounds like we need to found this said organization and do it ourselves. But
that's a good point to your point. I've thought about that, and I'm
not calling anybody out. I like the North American Wood Ap Conservancy. I
think they do great stuff. I like most of those guys. I know
a lot of those guys, and I'm not talking badly about anybody, So
don't get us wrong here. I'm not beating up on anybody. But I
have that same question. Why would the BFRO not go to them and say,
look, you guys are trying to get coverage, right. They only
go out three to four months out of the year. It's less than half
the year they have somebody in area X. It's not a twenty four hour
day, seven day a week, three hundred and sixty five days a year
that they have somebody out there. These guys have jobs and other parts of
their lives, and there's only so many of them in the organization, so
they have to take out teams. You obviously can't be out there by yourself,
or they don't want people out there by themselves for safety concerns and other
things. So you get four or five guys out there for three months at
a time. If you only have ten or twenty people in the organization,
that's only a small amount of the year. Why not have the BFRO.
BFRO does expeditions all the time, Lori Wade. We've got Mary Anne out
of Missouri taking people out. All that have to do literally is come together
for one twelve month period and say, you know what, BFRO is going
to do nothing but exclusive Area X expeditions. We're going to have somebody out
there twenty four hours a day, seven days a week for the entire three
hundred and sixty five days of this year. Because we have tens of thousands
of members across the country versus ten or fifteen members in the North American Wood
Ape Conservancy. Problem solved. Everybody's got a camera, everybody's got a video
camera, everybody's got audio. Then you've got all these boots on the ground
and eyes on the prize. You're going to get something. And if you're
out there to take a sample, to bring down one of them and say
here's a body, you got that as well. So I know it sounds
a lot easier with us just sitting behind the microphone and talking about it.
There's a lot of logistics that would have to go into that. But I
don't understand why more people aren't asking the question why is that not happening?
Because there's plenty of other organizations, and honestly, I think it comes down
to a ton of things. And again, I'm gonna write about it in
the newsletter today, but a couple of the things I think is ego,
and again it's protection of your space. I'm very protective of our research area
because it's where I live. So I'm not gonna just have Joe Schmoe anybody
out here because clearly I have people who don't like me very much. So
I don't want Long Dong Silver showing up or whatever his name is on an
expedition and then shooting at me or whatever burning my fricking house down, right,
So I have to be somewhat careful. But we have had plenty of
conversations, and Danny and I are planning on opening up at least part of
our land to devote to have other people come out here and do research,
because I believe there's possible activity going on here. So we're even willing to
do that. But I think it just boils down to, like you said,
people want to be the ones to do it, and that's fine.
I guess I get that on some level. But if we all have a
similar goal in mind, which is discovery, which I think for a lot
of us it is. Some people it's not. But for those people that
it is important for, I think we could do a better job of coming
together and working collaboratively to get it at least video evidence or do camera traps
right if you pull the resources you can put ton think about BFRO and North
American Wood Ape Conservancy coming together for twelve months and doing a camera trap experiment,
doing another one of the tagging experiments that they did a couple of years
ago, having people to constantly man that, and there's so much that could
be done. But I just don't see it happening. And to Russ's point,
there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of collaboration. It's an individual
game that people are playing for their own reasons. I just don't understand it.
I would love to be the one to help bring more people together,
but I just don't see it happening because there is so much ego. Again,
it's something I'm going to talk about in the newsletter as a community.
Dude, we can't even decide if these things are fucking flesh and blood or
they're aliens. We've talked about that before, and as long as that's going
on, those people are never going to come together and work cohesively to do
anything because they're just going to be arguing. You just think it's flesh and
blood. You're an apor and I think that they get dropped off by aliens
and their DNA has been manipulated Ron Moorehead millions of years ago by aliens.
Oh, we're never going to get anywhere. We're just going to continue to
argue about what everybody thinks, and we're getting no closer to any answers for
anybody. So we'd love to hear what you guys think about that. Obviously,
you'd like to send us an email and or a voicemail. We'd love
to have your input. And here's the nugget that I want to leave you
with. Actually had this written down to talk about today, but we're not
going to get into it, Wayne, because we babbled on about so much
other shit. I had a conversation with Logan yesterday and Logan. For those
who are familiar, he's been up to Radium I think four or five times
at this point. He has been on tons of expeditions with Todd. I've
had him on the show to share his experiences a couple of times. Logan
is a very intelligent dude. He as an engineer. He reached out to
me about a week or so ago. We kept trying to set up a
time to get on the phone together. I finally called him yesterday. I
think we talked for about forty five minutes to an hour. He's been working
on this new project for about nine months now and it's finally come into fruition.
He's headed up to Radium I think in the next four or five days
as we record this, because they're going to do a camera project at base
Camp in Radium in Todd's standing's research area. He has purchased high dollar cameras.
These things are top of the line, expensive cameras that can do a
lot of shit night vision three sixty tilt. They're going to run twenty four
hours a day, seven days a week, three hundred and sixty five days
a year at Base camp where I had. Frankly, the majority of the
activity I experience and what most people experience in Radium is in that general vicinity
as far as rock throwing, whoops, yells, tree knocks, those kind
of things and sidings. For the last two sightings that I've documented from Kyle
and Richard have come from ten feet away from the fire ring right there at
base camp. Logan's last experience he had was last year. He slept outside
and nothing but a sleeping bag, and he thinks a sasquatch walked up right
behind him in base camp. That said, I was excited about it.
I was a little apprehensive because I told Logan, it's one of those things,
dude, just like you said earlier, Wayne, to your point,
you can get the best photographic evidence or the best video possible of one of
these things, and there's going to be somebody that yells fake. And if
you're involving Todd's standing in it at Todd's base camp, and you get video
of what looks like a purported sasquatch, you're gonna have to deal with that.
But I still think it's a good idea. I don't think anybody's ever
done that. I know, nobody's ever done that there. He spent a
ton of time, a ton of energy, and a ton of money to
get the infrastructure there because there's no power. This is eighteen miles deep into
the woods, so they're putting solar up. That's what he's working on,
is getting the cameras up and getting the solar in place so they can keep
these things going twenty four hours a day, seven days a week, keep
the juice, and keep the star link up as well. That's the other
part of it. Logan has developed an app that's going to launch where people
can sign up, subscribe on this app, and you'll be able to gain
access twenty four hours a day, seven days a week to these video streams
from base Camp and Radium. He even said, I don't know anything about
the back end. I'm not an engineer, but he was talking about in
the app, people are going to have the ability if you see something,
you're going to be able to capture and save the last sixty seconds of buffer
video. So if you see something while you're watching it, you can actually
save this, you can share it to people, you can send it.
I think it's a good tool, man. I think if there's something going
on up there. Legitimately, I think something like this is what needs to
happen for people to be able to access and capture this stuff. So I
don't know. I just wanted to get your opinion on it. We don't
have to really to get into it now. I want to talk a little
bit about the what ifs and those kind of things on the next episode.
I told Logan maybe the next time we record, if he has the ability
to work it out, I'd like to maybe jump on the phone with him
and have him on for ten minutes or so and give us a better breakdown
of his trip up to radium this week when he gets it set up and
when we can expect the app to launch, And obviously, if we have
any questions or if anybody wants to submit questions, we can certainly ask that
of Logan. But I thought it was an interesting thing. But what is
your initial gut reaction to here and that's going on? Yeah, I think
we need to save that for our next discussion because I have a few things
to say about it. I think it's awesome, that would be an amazing
thing to do. Concerned about the location, obviously, but I think we
definitely need to get into that more when we have more time. There you
have it, folks, we'd love to hear from you. Guys. You
can email us if you have any questions, you have any thoughts on that
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