1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:10,080 The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big Fight Weekend. No. 2 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:16,359 Here is your host, t J. Leaves Ah, Yes, it 3 00:00:16,559 --> 00:00:20,559 is getting good. Now we get ready for a weekend and has fights all 4 00:00:20,559 --> 00:00:23,800 over the plays, whether it's San Antonio, Texas, whether it's Newark, 5 00:00:23,839 --> 00:00:26,679 New Jersey, whether it's they don't call it the punch board, call it 6 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:31,800 the war Grounds in Carson, California. Loads to talk about news of the 7 00:00:31,839 --> 00:00:35,000 week, some great nostalgia and more. You have found the Big Fight Weekend 8 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,960 preview. I am merely the somewhat capable host TJ Reeves. He is our 9 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:43,640 insider from his Fight Freaks Unite substack from Big Fight Weekend dot Com. Hello, 10 00:00:43,799 --> 00:00:48,479 Dan Raphael. I have survived Houston, Texas in the basketball Final four 11 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,880 and we have got action action all over the place that I'm anxious to preview 12 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,039 with you. How are you? I'm doing good. It's a I mean, 13 00:00:56,039 --> 00:00:58,159 as we're gonna get to all these fights in a minute. I mean, 14 00:00:58,159 --> 00:01:03,399 it's a it's a big weekend. There's a bunch of good cards. 15 00:01:03,439 --> 00:01:06,480 Nothing that's like to me. As we keep it real, that's like a 16 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:11,280 must see. That's a big fight. But you got a lot of like 17 00:01:11,359 --> 00:01:14,040 you know we talk about on our betting show, I like to singles and 18 00:01:14,079 --> 00:01:15,680 doubles. I'm okay with that. I'd like to take the home run now 19 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,840 and again I would consider what we have coming up this weekend. It's like, 20 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,400 you know, fights that are like singles and doubles, But that's okay. 21 00:01:23,439 --> 00:01:25,840 Are you implying that I keep swinging for the fences for the home run 22 00:01:25,879 --> 00:01:29,359 and swinging and missing like Anthony Josh and one knockout. I was just making 23 00:01:29,359 --> 00:01:33,040 the point that it's a weekend where there's fights that are worth your attention and 24 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,920 worth it if you're a fan to check out, but nothing that's like earth 25 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:41,280 shattering, Just good solid shows around. Speaking of worth it and worth your 26 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,959 attention, the podcast is worth your attention. 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So make sure you're following, subscribing, Apple 43 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:44,479 podcast, Google Podcast, Spotify, because Dan does a phenomenal job through his 44 00:02:44,599 --> 00:02:47,120 newsletter, through social media, through the Big Fight Weekend social stuff. We 45 00:02:47,199 --> 00:02:52,840 do a great job of promoting. But you need no further prompt Then if 46 00:02:52,879 --> 00:02:54,360 you get the ding, the light, the bell, the vibration, whatever 47 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:58,039 you get, you don't, you don't have to worry about anything. It 48 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,080 will come your way when it's ready. When it's out, you will know 49 00:03:00,159 --> 00:03:05,719 that it's there on Friday and on Monday. All right, So fights, 50 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:10,360 fights and more fights. Let us start with Jesse Bam Rodriguez back in action 51 00:03:10,439 --> 00:03:16,120 this weekend San Antonio, Texas. He will fight Christian Gonzalez for the WBO's 52 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:23,039 vacant flyweight title. Bam has been a tremendous rising star championship success story at 53 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:28,360 a very young age. He's back in action here on the de Zone matchroom 54 00:03:28,439 --> 00:03:31,439 card. Give me more, Dan Raphael about this one headlining in San anton 55 00:03:31,719 --> 00:03:36,759 Saturday. Well, as you mentioned, Bam has been on a very upward 56 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,919 trajectory over the past year. He was a very strong candidate to be the 57 00:03:38,919 --> 00:03:44,080 twenty twenty two Fighter of the Year, based largely on the two big wins 58 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,360 when he won his title by dismantling on short notice at a heavier weight than 59 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:52,400 he'd been planning to fight against Carlos Quadras, and then coming back in his 60 00:03:52,439 --> 00:03:57,039 first defense and just absolutely pummeling and taking out strisakats our rngby side, who 61 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,360 was supposed to fight Quadras, but I'd become ill and that's why A Bam 62 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,719 got a chance to replace him. But so he had the big year, 63 00:04:04,159 --> 00:04:09,599 made a couple of defenses and won that title and then maybe a mile surprise, 64 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,800 I guess he's decided to go down and wait, not up in weight, 65 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,519 so he vacated his title, had one hundred and fifteen pounds of junior 66 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,480 band and weight division and in this fight he now boxes for the WBO's flyweight 67 00:04:19,519 --> 00:04:25,079 title. It's a hometown fight in San Antonio, a place that he wears 68 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,560 on his sleeve, you know, like emotional. He loves San Antonio. 69 00:04:27,879 --> 00:04:31,120 It's where he had the first defense against strissakats a rugby side. Now he's 70 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,879 going back there to try to win a second title he's only had. This 71 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,680 will only be in his entire not that he's had that many fights, but 72 00:04:36,759 --> 00:04:40,279 in his whole careers, only had. This will be his fourth fight at 73 00:04:40,319 --> 00:04:42,959 home, So he's very excited about that. The fans he got a figure 74 00:04:42,959 --> 00:04:45,720 will turn out for him. But he's just a dynamite young fighter. He's 75 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:50,360 he's exciting, he's interesting, he's he's he's only twenty two years old and 76 00:04:50,399 --> 00:04:53,800 there's a lot, you know, you think there's a lot left in front 77 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,680 of him. And also if he wins this fight in the flyweight division. 78 00:04:57,439 --> 00:05:02,040 The prospect of other fights of serious interest in that weight class are certainly there 79 00:05:02,079 --> 00:05:03,759 for him. I mean, keep in mind, he's going to be the 80 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:09,439 big favorite here against Christian Gonzalez. He fights on the match room stable of 81 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,040 fighters. He's on the Zone and Eddie Hearner is his promoter. Eddie hern 82 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,040 just signed Sonny Edwards, who's the title holder of the IBF in that weight 83 00:05:15,079 --> 00:05:19,800 class. He is also the promoter of Martinez, who was the WBC title 84 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,800 holder in that weight class, and these guys kind of want to fight each 85 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,800 other. So I think there's a good chance that by the end of this 86 00:05:26,879 --> 00:05:30,720 year, or certainly at at this time next year anyway, then if all 87 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,160 goes well, that we probably will have a chance to see dam Rodrigueys participate, 88 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:38,360 you know, in one or more title unification matchups. So that's something 89 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:42,439 to keep in mind as you watch him perform against Gonzalez, who's not the 90 00:05:42,439 --> 00:05:44,920 most known guy in the world, but by no means is he a bum 91 00:05:45,079 --> 00:05:46,199 or anything like that. He's fifteen and one, he's twenty three, also 92 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,759 also a Mexican fighter. He's won nine fights in a row. He has 93 00:05:49,759 --> 00:05:53,560 taken a step up in competition. But to me, the thing about this 94 00:05:53,639 --> 00:05:57,920 fight that I'm interested in, And in a column that I wrote, I 95 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,920 could have sort of ranked the fights that are come up Saturday, you know, 96 00:06:00,959 --> 00:06:03,040 the cards as a as a whole, sort of like because I said, 97 00:06:03,079 --> 00:06:06,720 nothing is huge, but like, what's my personal interest? I ranked 98 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:11,959 the bammerat Regus card as number one for me personally, mainly because of my 99 00:06:12,079 --> 00:06:14,800 interest in seeing Bam fight again and knowing what could be down the line. 100 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,199 And then you throw in the fact that he got the ac mcdalia of a 101 00:06:17,439 --> 00:06:21,319 title defense of his unified title junior featherweight on that card against a good, 102 00:06:21,319 --> 00:06:26,920 solid opponent in mandatory in Marlins Palace. But Bamer at Regus to me, 103 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,720 you know, obviously he's the star of the show on that night and it's 104 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,319 up to Christian Gonzalez to make anybody think otherwise. And again, Bam, 105 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:36,040 as you mentioned, is heavily favored. He's minus three thousand on the money 106 00:06:36,079 --> 00:06:39,519 line. So we'll have an interesting time with this for you. Plug again 107 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,800 for the bet Us, a betting show that comes your way live at one 108 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,680 Eastern time on the bet us platforms, YouTube, Twitch, Twitter, and 109 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,120 elsewhere. When we make a prediction on this fight, so he's expected to 110 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:54,759 win. How realistic is the unification for later this year? Do you believe, 111 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,920 just real quick to wrap on him, that it's realistic that a Sunny 112 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,920 Edwards fighter or a unification fight, that that is what is being put into 113 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,959 motion here by seeing him go down to flyweight. Yeah, I think it. 114 00:07:05,079 --> 00:07:06,759 Well, I don't know if that it's not. That's not the reason 115 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,680 he went down to flyweight. I mean, the unification was not necessarily something 116 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,519 he would have known when he decided to do this, but he felt like 117 00:07:13,519 --> 00:07:15,959 he can make that way, so he wanted to win another title and so 118 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,319 therefore he's down at flyweight. But in terms of I think he can get 119 00:07:17,399 --> 00:07:20,639 a unification, I think it's absolutely possible. Like I said, Sonny Edwards 120 00:07:20,639 --> 00:07:24,439 has just signed with Eddie and he did so not to fight nobody. Sonny 121 00:07:24,519 --> 00:07:28,480 Edwards has been very vocal about wanting to fight top guys. Julio Seesar Martinez 122 00:07:28,759 --> 00:07:30,279 is also in the flyweight division with the title. Who's also with Eddie. 123 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,120 Who's you know, you know he's not unwilling to fight top guys. This 124 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:39,079 guy went up and waiting and on short notice in a non title fight and 125 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,399 took on the legend Roman Chocolate Do Gonzazi got beat but you know he came 126 00:07:42,439 --> 00:07:45,199 back down to make the flyweight division. So I think what we're probably going 127 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,639 to see bait and this I don't basis on like some inside or information or 128 00:07:47,639 --> 00:07:53,480 anything like this. This is based on the comments from Eddie and from Sonny 129 00:07:53,879 --> 00:07:57,160 when the deal was announced that they had signed, and also knowing the type 130 00:07:57,199 --> 00:08:01,240 of fights that Julio Seesar Martinez for so I think first off, we'll probably 131 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:05,920 see Martinez and Edwards unified with each other, you know, sometime maybe this 132 00:08:05,959 --> 00:08:09,560 summer. And then if Bam is the winner here, I don't think it's 133 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,759 out of the question that maybe even in the next fight you might see that 134 00:08:13,079 --> 00:08:16,839 winner go into another unification with Ban Rodriguez me you know, maybe one fight 135 00:08:16,839 --> 00:08:22,079 in between. But the point is that's clearly the reason that Eddie Hearn is 136 00:08:22,079 --> 00:08:26,199 now working with three of the top flyweights out there. It's maybe not the 137 00:08:26,279 --> 00:08:30,519 highest profile or the biggest money, but they're good fights. They have home 138 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,759 crowds they can draw from, whether San Antonio or Mexican crowd or Sonny's crowd 139 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:37,759 in the UK. It's very, very logical and it makes a lot of 140 00:08:37,799 --> 00:08:41,159 sense, and it's good news for boxing kens if they can get all that 141 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,919 done. But to answer the question, I do think it's very possible we 142 00:08:43,919 --> 00:08:46,480 will see those fights in the next you know, in the next year or 143 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,080 so. Good enough on that, as you made mention of the co feature 144 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:56,200 fight is MJ. Madalaiah defending w BA IBF Junior featherweight unified titles. Marlin 145 00:08:56,279 --> 00:09:01,639 to Polos to get it right to Polos is the challenger here again, Amidalia 146 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:07,000 is favored. What do we know about Tapaulo's his chances, about his punch? 147 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,879 We know amidalav can punch. What do we think about the co feature 148 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,240 Saturday Night, San Antonio? I mean, I mean akmandaie Is sort of 149 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,279 drives me a little crazy from the standpoint that of of of unified champions, 150 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:22,120 he's probably the least known, least charismatic, sort of like least interesting, 151 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:30,559 you know, doesn't spend a lot of time promoting himself. This it's just 152 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,039 he's an excellent fighter. He was a good amateur and he's obviously got some 153 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:37,000 nice wins on his record. He's you know, beaten solid guys. He 154 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:41,879 beat Danny Roman, he beat Ronnie Rios, for example. You know, 155 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:46,120 he's not an insignificant talent. I mean he's a good fighter. He's very 156 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,200 inexperienced as a professional. He's only got eleven fights, but he had a 157 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:52,759 big amateur career, and I'm not really sure what they're doing with him. 158 00:09:52,759 --> 00:09:54,440 I mean, the obvious fight would have been him and Stephen Fulton, both 159 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,840 of them at two titles a piece. But you know, he was doing 160 00:09:56,879 --> 00:10:01,120 what he was doing, and Fulton was obviously with PBC, had his eyes 161 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,200 on a much bigger prize, which was certainly the fight with in a way, 162 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:07,679 can't blame him for that. So he's back in the ring, you 163 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,480 know. Yeah, he also doesn't fight enough. He only fought one time 164 00:10:09,519 --> 00:10:13,360 in twenty twenty two against Rios. That was a mandatory. He's got this 165 00:10:13,399 --> 00:10:16,879 fight coming up against the Polace, it's a mandatory. Who knows what will 166 00:10:16,879 --> 00:10:20,759 happen afterwards. Not the Polace, you know, is thirty six and three. 167 00:10:20,919 --> 00:10:22,399 He's a He's a former title holder in a smaller weight class from the 168 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:26,720 Philippines. He's won like three fights in a row since he lost a fight 169 00:10:26,799 --> 00:10:30,840 in this weight class back in Like I want to say twenty and nineteen, 170 00:10:31,399 --> 00:10:33,879 and he's got some decent wins on his record, but again he's not a 171 00:10:33,919 --> 00:10:37,120 well known guy. He's going to be the underdog obviously, but as mandatories 172 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:43,600 go, as a secondary fight on this card, and you know, MJ 173 00:10:43,759 --> 00:10:46,600 whatever is star Powers, he's certainly one of the best fighters in that division. 174 00:10:46,799 --> 00:10:50,799 Probably, I think most people would view him as number two behind Stephen 175 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,200 Fulton. So it's just a little depth on what I think is an otherwise 176 00:10:54,279 --> 00:10:58,759 pretty decent card. Hey, we'll see what happens there in San Antonio. 177 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:03,519 Again, simultane we're all over the continent, as it turns out, simultaneous 178 00:11:03,519 --> 00:11:05,679 in Newark, New Jersey. I am intrigued. Your intrigue fight fans should 179 00:11:05,879 --> 00:11:11,559 be intrigued. Shakour Stevenson, two division world champ, fighting now at lightweight, 180 00:11:11,639 --> 00:11:16,519 headlines the ESPN Top ranked card in his hometown Newark, New Jersey. 181 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:22,159 Shoichiro Yoshino is the opponent. All right, So give me more on this 182 00:11:22,279 --> 00:11:28,399 main event again coming up Saturday night for Top Rank and ESPN with Shakur Stevenson 183 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,720 back in the ring for the first time twenty twenty three. Yeah, so 184 00:11:31,799 --> 00:11:35,440 he of course, as you mentioned, two time a title holder, won 185 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,120 a belt at featherweight, unified titles in the junior lightweight division, and of 186 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,399 course anybody that remembers is that back last September, he failed to make the 187 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:46,120 wait for what was supposed to be a defense of those unified belts against Ropes 188 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:50,879 and Consosau. Remember, Shakur had defeated Oscar Valdes to unify the titles. 189 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:54,840 Valdez had owned a somewhat controversial decision victory in a title defense of his own 190 00:11:54,879 --> 00:12:00,200 against Consasao, and so they were fighting each other and he didn't make away. 191 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:01,519 He got tripped. Knzasau had the chance to win the belts, he 192 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,080 did not win. He obviously was beaten by decision fairly handily by Shakoor. 193 00:12:05,399 --> 00:12:09,679 So now he makes his official debut in the one hundred and thirty five pound 194 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,080 weight class. It is a WBC title eliminator of the winner will be the 195 00:12:13,159 --> 00:12:16,639 mandatory challenger for the WBC belt, which will be the winner of Lomachenko versus 196 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,879 the undisputed champ Devin Haney. They fight in May, and so for Shakur, 197 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,919 he's going back home, same place where he fought Robson Quotas out the 198 00:12:24,919 --> 00:12:28,200 Prudential Center in his hometown. You know, he's become a popular drawer. 199 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,279 They they did a nice crowd there for the last fight against Consasao, and 200 00:12:31,279 --> 00:12:33,960 we'll see what happens with the fight on Saturday. But the thing about his 201 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:41,039 opponent is and Yoshino is undefeated fighter and he is very unknown. He's sixteen 202 00:12:41,039 --> 00:12:45,120 to oh with twelve knockouts. He does does have two solid victories in his 203 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,440 last two fights that even though he's been fighting in Japan, American men's may 204 00:12:48,519 --> 00:12:52,480 have heard of. He defeated a massive yuki Eto, who is a former 205 00:12:54,039 --> 00:12:56,919 title holder in the one hundred and thirty pound division. That was in April 206 00:12:56,919 --> 00:12:58,399 of last year. Then he came back at the end of last year and 207 00:12:58,399 --> 00:13:03,159 he had a very impressive knockout against Naso Yishi Nakatani, who of course has 208 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:09,519 fought Loma Chenko and TV Teamo Lopez and and Uh and adds gained some recognition 209 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,200 because of those wins. A very tall fighter, and so he has this 210 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,360 opportunity against Shakur. And while those two wins I just mentioned are very solid, 211 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,799 Shakor Stevenson is a whole different ball game. He's one of the best 212 00:13:20,799 --> 00:13:24,440 fighters in boxing, he has got skills to burn. Most people who watch 213 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:26,919 think he's going to be a pound for pound king in the not too distant 214 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:31,440 future. And so for him to go to the hometown, I can appreciate 215 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:37,039 the the the stones to do that, but you know, if it in 216 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,039 boxing, you know, as as our good friend Larry Merchant like to say, 217 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:43,879 it's the theater of the unexpected. But what is expected is that Shakur 218 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,480 should run rough shot over him and win, you know, pretty handily, 219 00:13:46,879 --> 00:13:50,080 and uh move on to the next whether it's to fight the winner of Loma 220 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:54,639 Chenko Hany or perhaps if Haney wins and vacates, like many things would happen, 221 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:56,720 if he wins and goes up and wait, he would fight for a 222 00:13:56,759 --> 00:14:01,720 vacant title. But you know, it's the the next step in Shakur's evolution 223 00:14:01,799 --> 00:14:05,639 towards the probability of him becoming a champion in a third way class. And 224 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,960 if Yoshashino can knock them off that block that makes it even more interesting would 225 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:15,440 be a large upset. Again, as we talk about the odds on the 226 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,960 bet Us line, I was just looking at that a second ago. Shakur 227 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:24,399 is minus twenty five hundred. Yoshino is plus nine hundred nine to one, 228 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,960 is the underdog, and it's it's in Shakur's hometown, so anything he does 229 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:33,519 is going to be lauded, cheered, people going berserk. So it's gonna 230 00:14:33,519 --> 00:14:37,519 be a tough task. One thing about this fight, it seems to me 231 00:14:37,559 --> 00:14:41,879 that we're gonna have a very good idea in the first round how this is 232 00:14:41,919 --> 00:14:43,919 going to go. Is he gonna be able to just play with him and 233 00:14:45,279 --> 00:14:48,200 maybe stop him, or is he gonna have himself a tough fight, because 234 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,159 the last thing in the world you want to do is allow him to get 235 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,159 off to a quick start, because he just piles up those rounds and he 236 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:56,080 certainly can play defensive necessary is one of the best defensive boxers in the entire 237 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,919 sport also, And so I'm gonna be very interested to see how it go 238 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,000 in round one. Can can Yoshino put any kind of pressure on him? 239 00:15:03,039 --> 00:15:05,559 Can he make him uncomfortable at all? And when then I say first round, 240 00:15:05,559 --> 00:15:09,000 I really I guess I mean like the first like two or three rounds, 241 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,480 We'll have a really good idea of what's going to unfold. And it's 242 00:15:11,519 --> 00:15:15,679 gonna be up to Yoshino to do some damage and slow him down a little 243 00:15:15,679 --> 00:15:18,159 bit, because once she coor gets gets a lead, or gets into a 244 00:15:18,159 --> 00:15:22,240 groove, it's it's super, super difficult to put a dent in that. 245 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,679 Also on the top ranked card two rising stars that we've been talking about a 246 00:15:26,679 --> 00:15:31,799 bunch on the podcast. That those include Jared Real, Big Baby Anderson heavyweight 247 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:37,600 and George Arius that is a scheduled ten round heavyweight bout. Keyshan Davis as 248 00:15:37,639 --> 00:15:41,519 well, the former silver medalist in the Olympics a year ago. And Anthony 249 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:48,120 yigg It jigget or you get jigg it jigg it all right? Can yiget 250 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,000 hang in with Keyshawn Davis? All right? So give me something on both 251 00:15:50,039 --> 00:15:54,720 of those fights, because again these are two of the top rising stars. 252 00:15:54,960 --> 00:16:00,879 That top rank has a Big Baby Anderson probably a little further along because he's 253 00:16:00,879 --> 00:16:04,000 been fighting professionally longer. But give me some thoughts Dan on those on the 254 00:16:04,039 --> 00:16:07,399 undercard in Newer and this is very simple. These are the for me, 255 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,840 if you go by my rankings when I do pass prospects at the end of 256 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,919 the year, they're the two best prospects in boxing period. Regardless of that 257 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,600 whether with the top rank or whatever company. When two thousand and twenty one 258 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,600 ended, I had Jared Anderson as the prospect of the year. When two 259 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:26,759 thousand and twenty two ended, I had him number two and had Keshan Davis 260 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:30,480 as the prospect of the year. They're both tremendous talents. You mentioned Keshan 261 00:16:30,559 --> 00:16:33,879 Davis had a phenomenal amateur background. He won a silver medal in the Tokyo 262 00:16:33,879 --> 00:16:37,039 Olympic Games. Jared Anderson turned pro. He was the number one ranked heavyweight 263 00:16:37,159 --> 00:16:41,399 in the amateurs for quite a while. He's done nothing to dissuade anybody of 264 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:45,480 that thought. As a professional. They're both undefeated, They're both taken steps 265 00:16:45,519 --> 00:16:48,399 up in competition. Jared is coming off a win in December. If I 266 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,279 was actually at that fight, he fought on the undercard of TaiMo Lopez against 267 00:16:52,039 --> 00:16:56,000 Sandra Martin at Madison Square, Gardy. He got buzzed by by you know, 268 00:16:56,039 --> 00:17:00,399 in the first round, by Jerry Forrest, and he's survived. You 269 00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:02,440 know, I didn't get knocked on anything. We got he got rocked a 270 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:03,880 little bit, but you know, it's heavyweight boxing. Came through with it 271 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:08,200 fine and then put an absolute beating on Jerry Forrest until he stopped him, 272 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,960 which was you know, that was the best opponent of his career, and 273 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,079 he stopped him in round two. So whatever issues he had in round one, 274 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,200 it didn't last very long because he just fumbled him and knock him out 275 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,359 in the second round. And George Jarius is a New York fighter to eighteen 276 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:25,079 and oh kind of like built like a tank like squat and Naso so tall. 277 00:17:25,519 --> 00:17:27,279 Honestly, I think this is going to be easy pickings for Jared Anderson. 278 00:17:27,559 --> 00:17:32,480 And with Keishan Davis, what can you say pound for pound talent already 279 00:17:32,519 --> 00:17:33,839 wants to fight for a title, been saying he wants to fight the big 280 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,079 guys. I don't have any doubt that, you know, you could pick 281 00:17:37,079 --> 00:17:41,039 anybody in the laywe division, and even at this formidable stage of his career, 282 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,519 only seven and oh, I do I do say that, I don't 283 00:17:44,559 --> 00:17:47,000 care what it is he can tell me Loma, Chenko, Haney, Shaker, 284 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,480 pick a guy. I believe that that Keshan Davis at least is good 285 00:17:49,559 --> 00:17:52,559 enough to hang with any of them, uh, you know, and maybe 286 00:17:52,559 --> 00:17:56,240 he'll lose given his lack of experience. I say that based on having been 287 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:00,160 you know, seemed like Loma Chenko a great amateur and that was become I'm 288 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,240 a great pro struggle in his pro in his second fight against a very experienced 289 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:07,119 fighter like Orlando Sledos, So there is something to be said about that pro 290 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:11,720 experience. But he's doing the right thing so far. He just you know, 291 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,400 took a shutout eight rounder on that same card in December that I mentioned 292 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,680 about the Jared Anderson fight. He whooped up on Juan Carlos Burgos, who 293 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,839 had fought for a world title and was vastly experienced. Now he takes on 294 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,160 Anthony you Get, who has also fought for a world title, has fought 295 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,000 in the junior wealter right division as well as in the lightweight division, so 296 00:18:29,519 --> 00:18:32,039 you know, it's not like he gets some superstar, but he's definitely a 297 00:18:32,039 --> 00:18:37,359 step up and the type of guys that have populated the resume of Keishan for 298 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,839 the first handful of his fight. So you know, both fighters are fighting 299 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,799 like reasonable opponents at this level of their careers. So to me, it's 300 00:18:45,839 --> 00:18:49,000 not do they win, because I think honestly that you can ever say it's 301 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:53,640 a foregone conclusion, but clearly they're heavy duty favorites to win their fight. 302 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,240 So it's not about getting it's about getting the win in the long run. 303 00:18:56,319 --> 00:19:00,400 But to me, but I want to see more than how these guys is 304 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,799 if they win, is how they win? You know, are we going 305 00:19:02,839 --> 00:19:06,440 to see the dominant knockout or the big punching power from Jared Anderson? Are 306 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:10,319 we going to see those awesome skills uh, you know from from Keishan Davis 307 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,119 and just keep doing what he's doing it keep the chains moving, get people 308 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,480 excited, and just get the experience that they need. You know, Top 309 00:19:15,559 --> 00:19:18,480 Rank knows what they're doing. And in the next you know, however many 310 00:19:18,519 --> 00:19:22,880 fights, it's not there's no it's not a race. Uh, there's no 311 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,079 hurry. But but trust me when I tell you this, this time next 312 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:30,519 year, maybe we'll be talking about these guys in much bigger fights than uh 313 00:19:30,599 --> 00:19:33,400 than these undercard They'll be in main event type fights I know already by the 314 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:37,799 way, probably this summer, come July. I want to say, Uh, 315 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,079 Top Ranks taking Jared Anderson to Toledo, Ohio is home down and you 316 00:19:41,079 --> 00:19:42,599 can you can bet he's going to be a headliner on ESPN in his first 317 00:19:42,599 --> 00:19:45,640 main event the summer time, all right, and both of them, as 318 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,599 you made mentioned, our heavily favored. They're both lifted on the bet Us 319 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:52,200 line. When we do the Friday predictions at minus sixteen hundred, we won't 320 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:56,400 be predicting these fights, And I'm just saying for the purposes of the betting 321 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,519 line interesting. On the big Baby Anderson fight, the over under is only 322 00:19:59,519 --> 00:20:02,720 four and a half rounds in the scheduled ten rounders, so the belief is 323 00:20:03,319 --> 00:20:07,400 it's gonna end, and it's gonna end before the medium range of the fight. 324 00:20:07,519 --> 00:20:11,640 So well, you know me from our weeks and months and almost a 325 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:17,160 year now of doing the betting show, I always I shans have always, 326 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:21,160 more often than not, I'm inclined to take the over on those really short 327 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:23,200 over under props, like if it's a three and a half four and a 328 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,039 half, which you do see occasionally on some of these types of fights, 329 00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:30,119 I usually go with the over. I haven't given my official picks yet for 330 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,839 our show first for Friday, but I kind of maybe go with the under 331 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,559 on a fight like this. Yeah, you are king of the over and 332 00:20:37,559 --> 00:20:40,200 you've been hitting a bunch on this and it's just a matter of whether or 333 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:45,079 not the opponent here can take the punch in particular from real big baby. 334 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,519 What does what does George Areas have for chin and want to We will find 335 00:20:48,559 --> 00:20:52,200 out Saturday night in Newark on the undercard. All right, Like I like 336 00:20:52,279 --> 00:20:56,200 to joke with Dan Rayfiel as we continue on the Big Flight Weekend podcast. 337 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,599 This is like the nineteen eighties gins who stake knives commercials? How much would 338 00:20:59,599 --> 00:21:03,799 you pay now? Nineteen ninety ninety five? But wait, Rayfiel, there's 339 00:21:03,839 --> 00:21:07,200 more. There is more. We got showtime PBC, and not just any 340 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:12,680 main event. I'm always intrigued by the towering Inferno Sebastian Fundora, and he 341 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:18,079 is back in action putting up. He is interim one hundred and fifty four 342 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:26,160 pound title for the WBC against Brian Mendoza main event Carson, California. Again 343 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,240 six six depending on what you believe. Rayfiel believes he's like six five six 344 00:21:30,319 --> 00:21:33,880 six is what he's listed at in all the publicity. I know he's taller 345 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,119 than I am. I'm like six feet even. He's definitely taller. But 346 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:37,519 and by the way, I'm six foot four and I know tall, so 347 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,400 he looks I don't know he looks. He looks to be every bit of 348 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,680 six five, if not six six, and that's uncommon from a mediumweight fighter 349 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,119 for a junior middleweight. That's the intrigue. All right, this is the 350 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:53,039 main event. Brian Mendoza is the opponent, scheduled twelve round fight. Give 351 00:21:53,079 --> 00:21:59,640 me some takes here on Fondora waiting for his opportunity to get a world title. 352 00:22:00,079 --> 00:22:02,880 He's got an animal world title right now. Thought's on this main event. 353 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,920 Well, as I like to say, Sebastian Pandora puts the fun in 354 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,720 boxing, because lu doesn't like watching Sebastian punder. He's a very entertaining fighter. 355 00:22:12,039 --> 00:22:17,319 Part of his is sort of the the uniqueness of seeing a guy that 356 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:21,640 big fit into one hundred and fifty four pound body, and the wacky thing 357 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,680 about it is. And you know, I don't know if I necessarily believe 358 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,839 him, but there was a time when his promoter, Samson Lukawitch was telling 359 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:33,200 me because Spendora was saying it to him. They were sort of angling at 360 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,440 a time when Errol Spence was looking for a welterweight opponent. They were saying, 361 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:37,519 we'd go down to welterweight if we can get a shot at Errol Spence. 362 00:22:37,559 --> 00:22:41,160 So now you think about a guy six six dropping all the way to 363 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,200 one hundred and forty seven pounds to get that shot. He didn't didn't obviously 364 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,119 didn't work out that way. But I don't I don't necessarily disbelieve him. 365 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:48,799 That he's twenty five years old also, so it's not like, you know, 366 00:22:48,839 --> 00:22:52,519 it's he's uh, you know, he's a full grown guy at this 367 00:22:52,559 --> 00:22:55,279 point. It's not like he was eighteen and it was still making weight. 368 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:56,319 Wasn't as big of a deal. I mean, at twenty five you can 369 00:22:56,319 --> 00:22:59,839 still do it, but you know, you are what you are pretty much 370 00:22:59,839 --> 00:23:03,200 at that point. But he's an exciting guy. He's got long arms. 371 00:23:03,839 --> 00:23:07,160 What makes him entertaining sometimes is he doesn't necessarily always use that heighten that reach 372 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:08,519 who was advantage because he does like to get in there and mix it up. 373 00:23:08,559 --> 00:23:11,519 So he makes himself smaller sometimes, which leaves himself open a little bit. 374 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,799 If you don't believe you, take a look at a few rounds of 375 00:23:14,839 --> 00:23:18,000 that Ericson Lubin fight that was a candidate for Fight of the Year not that 376 00:23:18,079 --> 00:23:22,519 long ago. But you mentioned he's waiting for a shot. He's got the 377 00:23:22,559 --> 00:23:26,680 interim WBC title at one fifty four. There is an undisputed champion in that 378 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,480 way class in Charlo, who was first obligation when he returns, which should 379 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,039 have taken place in January, but because Charlo suffered the fractured hand in two 380 00:23:33,079 --> 00:23:38,119 places, that fight with his WBO mandatory tim Zoo has been postponed. The 381 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:42,079 thought was they would be able to finally fight in June. Zoo took the 382 00:23:42,079 --> 00:23:45,240 interim fight. Now the word is, I haven't heard anything official, but 383 00:23:45,279 --> 00:23:48,119 there's a lot of a conversation, a lot of chatter that maybe Charlo won't 384 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:52,319 be ready till maybe you know, July August, even maybe you know, 385 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,319 Toad till the early fall. Who knows. So the point is here that 386 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,200 ability to get an actual world title fight is blocked for the moment because Charlo 387 00:24:00,319 --> 00:24:03,000 is the undisputed champion. Obviously, I just interject, Can I just stop 388 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,200 set or can I just interject for a second, get these guys in the 389 00:24:07,319 --> 00:24:11,119 ring. I mean, I know you didn't bring it up, but Jamal 390 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,000 Charlo hasn't fought in almost two full years. Get these guys in the ring. 391 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,480 And I understand that Jamal Charlo had an injury, but he proclaimed himself 392 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,799 on the broadcast of the Tim Zoo fight that he was healed. He was 393 00:24:23,799 --> 00:24:26,880 ready to start training again. And if you are telling me that we're not 394 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:33,119 going to have a Zoo Jamal Charlot August or September, what are we waiting 395 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,799 on? He proclaimed himself healthy. But go ahead. I'm not saying you 396 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,519 got to defend it. I'm not saying you gotta explain it. I'm just 397 00:24:38,599 --> 00:24:41,440 venting. Go ahead, Yeah, I'm not going to defend it. I 398 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:42,559 mean, first of all, fighters say things that aren't true all the time. 399 00:24:45,319 --> 00:24:48,480 But here's one of the things I learned along right, that fighters often 400 00:24:48,519 --> 00:24:52,720 say things that are not so much exactly the way they are the same way 401 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,160 a manager or promoter. What Also, they're all kind of in the same 402 00:24:56,079 --> 00:24:57,200 lie. You say that all the time, and a lie. I'm trying 403 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,119 to be nice, but I always sort of try to give the fighter the 404 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,880 benefit of the dot because they're the guys that take the punches and put their 405 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,119 lives on the line, so they get a little bit of the benefit of 406 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,079 out there. But as it relates to Charlo, I have no idea. 407 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:08,680 Maybe he tweaked this hand. Maybe the story about him maybe not being able 408 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,440 to fight though a couple of months later is not true. But whatever the 409 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,079 case may be is he is the under street of champ and as it relates 410 00:25:15,079 --> 00:25:18,039 to Fendora, it's just simply blocking his path. So this is a young 411 00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:21,880 guy. He's exciting, he's got a building fan base. Showtime loves him. 412 00:25:22,279 --> 00:25:23,119 I think a lot of the fans love him, and so you're not 413 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,559 going to just sit this guy in the shelf and not fight. So here 414 00:25:26,599 --> 00:25:29,519 he goes. He's in the ring. I'm glad he's active. Hopefully gets 415 00:25:29,559 --> 00:25:32,720 at least two more fights this year. He's fighting Brian Mendoza, who is 416 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,279 maybe not a top top elite you well known contender, but he's not a 417 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,160 scrub or anything like that. He's twenty one and two. He does that 418 00:25:38,279 --> 00:25:41,759 fifteen knockouts. He's a younger guy, only twenty nine years old, so 419 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,839 you know, should be in the best part of his career. He has 420 00:25:44,839 --> 00:25:47,799 won two fights in a row. He's coming off the biggest win of his 421 00:25:47,839 --> 00:25:49,559 career and it was very impressive. Actually, he had a fifth round knockout 422 00:25:49,559 --> 00:25:55,480 against Jason Rosario at middlewait. Jason Rossario had been the unified champion in one 423 00:25:55,559 --> 00:25:57,920 hundred and fifty four pounds who lost those two belts to Charlo and their three 424 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:03,680 belt unification fight one step before he became undisputed. And uh, you know, 425 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,039 he does have a loss to Hazers Ramos, who was one of the 426 00:26:06,039 --> 00:26:08,200 best up and coming guys who we just saw you know, get to win 427 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:14,079 over Joey Spencer on the on the on the card with Plant and Benivitia is 428 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:18,119 a couple of weeks ago. So you know, as is this an a 429 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,559 plus level kind of matchup? I don't think, you know, we'd be 430 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,839 lying if we said yes, But is it? Is it an acceptable matchup? 431 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,680 Are you interested to see Fandora fight? The answer is yes, and 432 00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:30,279 yes, you know, you can only fight the guys who are available. 433 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,200 Charlo is not available to him. Uh you know, I'd love it if 434 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,039 they could get the top contenders who are mandatories to fight each other, like 435 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,519 to become a supermandatory if you will, But I mean you can't blame them 436 00:26:41,559 --> 00:26:42,880 for not doing that. Tim Jo's got his fight locked up. He already 437 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,960 had a contract with Charlo, and Fandora is the next thing guy in line 438 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,240 after him, So, uh, you know, I'm not going to complain. 439 00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:55,440 I'm gonna enjoy watching the Towering Inferno do his thing home Saturday, watch 440 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,000 Brian Mendoza, see if you can pull the upset and what will be will 441 00:26:57,039 --> 00:27:02,640 be what happens after that, you know he can't control an injury and the 442 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,079 politics of what goes on with the organizations. Okay, So that is the 443 00:27:06,079 --> 00:27:10,079 main event of the Showtime PBC card. Brandon Lee is in the co feature. 444 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:11,240 I've always been intrigued by him and we've had him on a couple of 445 00:27:11,319 --> 00:27:15,640 times on the Big Fight Weekend preview podcast previewing his previous fights where he was 446 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,079 on Showbox or on the undercard of one of the other Showtime cards. Give 447 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,720 me something on Brandon Lee and his co feature fight, if you would. 448 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:29,599 So he's fighting Pedro Campa, who might be best known to to die hard 449 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:30,440 I mean, first of all, he's not that known to the non diehard, 450 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,200 but to the diehards he will be known because in his last fight, 451 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,720 which was in August of this past year, he suffered a I believe an 452 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,279 eighth round knockout, seventh round knockout against Tiafimo Lopez, which was Lopez making 453 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,559 his debut in the one hundred forty pound weight class coming off the loss to 454 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:51,480 George Cambosis, so you know, he you know, he's coming off that 455 00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:53,359 loss. But Brandon Lee is not nearly his experience. It doesn't have the 456 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,119 level of accomplishment that Tiafimo did, who had been the champion, the unified 457 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,079 champion in the lightweight division. The theme about randomly is this, He's got 458 00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:03,000 good power, he's got some charisma, he's a good fighter, he was 459 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,920 a good amateurs. You know, he's twenty seven to oh with twenty three 460 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,079 knockouts. But to me, we're at a point with Brandon Lee. And 461 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,039 it's not anything against Brandon. He doesn't pick his fights. He just goes 462 00:28:14,079 --> 00:28:17,960 and does his job. It's time to step up, and I'm tired of 463 00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:21,279 keep hearing oh, he's so young. Then a lot of guys are twenty 464 00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:22,680 three and fighting top notch fights. I mean, you know, take a 465 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,720 look at Devin Haney. He's about twenty four maybe, and he's twenty five 466 00:28:26,759 --> 00:28:29,519 at most. He's been fighting, you know, in title fights for a 467 00:28:29,519 --> 00:28:33,319 while, so there seems to have been a reticence to step him up. 468 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,480 I'm not sure where that comes from. I know Showtime loves him, and 469 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:37,599 I'm sure they love to see him step up and do a bigger fight, 470 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,559 But when it comes to see him Brandon Lee against Pedro Campa, honestly, 471 00:28:41,599 --> 00:28:44,359 I'm just not that interested because I kind of I know pretty much what's gonna 472 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,680 happen where we talked about. You know, it's not pre ordained, but 473 00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:49,680 I know what's gonna happen in this fight about as well as you can predict 474 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,920 a fight other than having seen it take place. So when Brandon Lee fights 475 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,759 a bona fide guy, please let me know. I like watching him, 476 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:04,680 but I'm getting tired of the constant, just regular pedestrian nonsense kind of fights. 477 00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:10,799 So I do know. I do know because this was related to us 478 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:17,240 previously in one of his Showbox series situations where they were going over opponents with 479 00:29:17,319 --> 00:29:19,240 him. And for whatever it's worth, this is probably two or three fights 480 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:25,640 ago, because he fought on the undercard of the Spence Helped Me Here Spence 481 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,880 fight last year when Spence returned, he was on the under card of that 482 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,279 fight, So this is not then. This is back when he was on 483 00:29:30,279 --> 00:29:37,119 one of the Showbox cards that they presented a list of like five quality names. 484 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,359 These are the names, These are the good fights, These are the 485 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,079 fifty fifty fights. And he and his father, the management, if it's 486 00:29:45,079 --> 00:29:48,519 if it's mostly the father, whatever went no no, no, no, 487 00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:51,720 no no. And they looked at him and went, why are we having 488 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,119 you on the series? Then if you don't want to fight any of these 489 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,759 five guys, so, I mean, I don't listen it's I'm sure it's 490 00:29:56,799 --> 00:30:02,240 not Brandon himself. Fight, ye fight. So if it's the dad, 491 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,359 maybe, if it's the manager, maybe, if it's a promoter maybe. 492 00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:10,680 All I know is this, he's got twenty seven pro fights, and he 493 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,279 had a decent, good amateur career and at some point you kind of gotta 494 00:30:14,279 --> 00:30:15,880 shigg it off the pot. Now boxing is not like it was, you 495 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,000 know a million years ago, when Marvin Hagler is fighting for the middleweight title, 496 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,559 you know, after like fifty fights or whatever it was. I mean, 497 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,119 is not the same sport anymore. And when you have guys who are 498 00:30:25,119 --> 00:30:27,119 fighting for titles, you know, in just a handful of fights, especially 499 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,559 if they come into the pros with, you know, with some establishment background 500 00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:36,799 and credentials. And he's not nineteen or eighteen, he's twenty three. So 501 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,559 again, he's young. I'm not saying he shouldn't, you know, step 502 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,880 up and fight the top top guys. I'm not even asking for a fifty 503 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,240 fifty fight. I get that, But can we get like, I don't 504 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,359 know, seventy thirty fight, because I'll be honest, Brandonly against Pedro kappas 505 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,079 like an eighty twenty kind of fight, do you know what I mean? 506 00:30:53,119 --> 00:30:56,920 It's sort of like it's just whatever. I mean again, I'm not knocking 507 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,640 anybody. I'm not mad at showtime. I'm not added Brandon Lee or anything 508 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,400 like that. I just know, on a weekend where I've got a nice 509 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,640 menu of a lot of different fights I can watch, seeing Brandon Lee against 510 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,880 another regular guy is not my thing to worry about. That's sooner or later 511 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,559 step up. Yes, Like I'm more interested, Like I know what's going 512 00:31:15,599 --> 00:31:18,640 to happen in like a Jared Anderson in the Kishan Davis fight. But I'm 513 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,200 more interested to see them because I think they're they're already stepping up and they 514 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:23,759 only have a handful of fights, you know what I mean. It's it's 515 00:31:23,759 --> 00:31:27,319 a different sort of situation. He's just sort of jogging in place the last 516 00:31:27,319 --> 00:31:32,640 handful of fights. So like the guy he's fighting again in Campa, is 517 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,599 not any real big difference in my mind than he's fought in his last couple 518 00:31:34,599 --> 00:31:37,559 of fights. So I like to see at least a guy taking incremental step 519 00:31:37,599 --> 00:31:41,559 up. And I don't want this to come off like I'm I'm mad or 520 00:31:41,599 --> 00:31:45,839 I don't like Brandon Lee. It's not even remotely the thought. I'm just 521 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,799 saying, I don't need this fight in my life on the weekend. And 522 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,839 again, he's a rising star, but you gotta fight better fighters, and 523 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,359 that's all we're saying. And let's see if that if that happens after this 524 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,319 co feature fight card in the showtime PBC show in cars in California. So 525 00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:06,160 there you go, three different fight cards in three different locations, San Antonio, 526 00:32:06,279 --> 00:32:09,680 Newark, and in California. Some news of the week, as expected, 527 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:15,720 as we've been talking about, the WBA did go ahead and order that 528 00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:20,759 Alexander Usik, the unified heavyweight champ who has the WBA's belt their world title, 529 00:32:21,079 --> 00:32:27,039 to fight their secondary champ and top contender therefore in Daniel Dubois in a 530 00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:30,920 mandatory title defense next all right, so that we knew was coming. The 531 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:36,519 real question is how soon do we believe that this can happen? Dan, 532 00:32:36,599 --> 00:32:38,519 what do you know? What do we think? Well, I think that 533 00:32:38,519 --> 00:32:43,119 if everybody has it their way, and it's very clear that the USA camp 534 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,440 is going home and ready to go to do this fight, they're not looking 535 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:50,039 to avoid the mandatory. In fact, I exchange emails with Alex Grasciak, 536 00:32:50,079 --> 00:32:52,599 who is the promoter for Alexander Usik, and just to sort of get their 537 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,079 view of what's going on, and they were like, look, we're you 538 00:32:55,119 --> 00:32:58,720 know, the Fury fight may be off, you know, the Tyson Fury 539 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:04,079 fight that fell apart because of Tyson furies insanity on the rematch clause. But 540 00:33:04,279 --> 00:33:07,279 that he said, Look, being undisputed is still Alexander USI's priority. But 541 00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:10,200 you know, you can't get blood from a stone, you can't make Fury 542 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:15,000 fights you on a fair deal. So they're content to maintain his three other 543 00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:19,880 belts and hopefully get an undisputed fight in the future. But in the meantime, 544 00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:24,119 the WBA is next up in the rotation, and as as Alex said 545 00:33:24,119 --> 00:33:28,559 to me, you know, he needs to keep his belts and if that 546 00:33:28,599 --> 00:33:30,119 means mandatories, so be it. You know, WB is next up, 547 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,920 and the fight got ordered on Monday, as we talked about, so we're 548 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,880 working on it. So I'm the thing that I find interesting about it is 549 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:42,440 that Alex will work with as the promoter of us that kill. Now have 550 00:33:42,519 --> 00:33:45,279 to deal with Frank Warren who was the promoter of Daniel Duas, who he 551 00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:49,680 also was dealing with as the promoter of Tyson Fury the co promoter, and 552 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,119 they get along fine. There's no issues with them. And I think Frank 553 00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:54,519 Warren would be the first one minute. It wasn't him that tried to block 554 00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:58,680 the Fury fight. He was encouraging Fury to make the fight, but Fury 555 00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:00,960 had his own ideas of what the term should be for that rematch clause and 556 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,640 it wasn't too uh Tyson's liking when it when it got pushed to shove. 557 00:34:06,119 --> 00:34:07,519 So now they make the dud Well fight. You know, the question also 558 00:34:07,719 --> 00:34:14,480 is what is the health of dubuis needy. So my understanding from the w 559 00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:17,719 BA is that they have asked the British Board, which is the governing you 560 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:22,000 know, the overseer regulator of boxing in the UK two PRIs present them with 561 00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:27,519 a medical certificate to explain to them what his status is if he's going to 562 00:34:27,559 --> 00:34:30,079 be ready to do this by the summer. So I'm I think they're still 563 00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:32,000 waiting to get that. But by all accounts, this fight should be if 564 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,880 he's healthy ready to go, like you know, July ish all right, 565 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,440 so we'll see if is healthy enough to train and does the fight still end 566 00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:45,840 up in the UK at a lesser price for Usik here I'm sure that that 567 00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:47,000 will be in the UK. I mean where else are they going to put 568 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,679 it? Right? And and and the draw there would be dubuis his home 569 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,679 country and it would be more lucrative. But lem don't underestimate the drawing power 570 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,400 of usk. I mean, Number one, he's a he's a great fight 571 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,199 and anybody that watches boxing knows that. Number Two, he loves England. 572 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:06,440 He won his Olympic gold medal in England. He beat Anthony Joshua twice, 573 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,280 who is the British star. He beat him once in the second fight, 574 00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:13,199 I mean in the in the second fight, in the first fight in England, 575 00:35:13,199 --> 00:35:15,920 the second fight right exactly, so he fought there also, so there's 576 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,440 no issue, and it was he also beat Shaura in England correct. He 577 00:35:20,519 --> 00:35:22,239 beat Hurrah along the way before he fought Joshua. He's fun. At the 578 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:27,880 point is he's fun in England enough to where he's the name. The British 579 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,320 boxing fans no like and respect us. They may not root for him against 580 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:36,480 their guy at Joshua, but they definitely respect him. They know he's a 581 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,199 great fighter. And so this is a fight that I'll put it like this. 582 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,920 I would tell you that usk is probably a better known commodity from the 583 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,000 British to the British boxing fans even than Daniel Duways, even though Daniel is 584 00:35:47,039 --> 00:35:52,199 British and has this secondary title, because Usik has been in bigger fights in 585 00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:54,039 the UK than Duways. I mean, Duwa did have a couple of you 586 00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:57,599 know, he thought Joe joyceon and and that was a pretty big fight. 587 00:35:57,639 --> 00:36:00,400 He did lose. Unfortunately he was during COVID, so there was able to 588 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,639 be fans in attendance for that fight. All I'm saying is if this fight 589 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,280 happens, you can expect it to be in the UK, and I would 590 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,440 say would probably generate a pretty good crowd and quite a bit of buzz. 591 00:36:08,599 --> 00:36:12,960 All right, we'll find out in the coming days and weeks. When does 592 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,199 it get signed? When is it on four? With Usk back in the 593 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:20,599 ring has not been back in the ring since last August to defend three of 594 00:36:20,599 --> 00:36:24,400 the heavyweight title bouts. We do know this what's looming next as a prominent 595 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,079 fight. One of the more prominent fights of the first half of the year 596 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,079 is Jervonte Tank Davis and Ryan Garcia. That's coming in a couple of weekends 597 00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:35,960 here in April, and the undercard is now filling out. Give us a 598 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,400 little bit on the undercard on News of the Week, please, Well, 599 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,719 the first thing I would say too is it is not one of the most 600 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,960 anticipated fights of the part of the year that we're up to. It's the 601 00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:46,679 most anticipated fight so far, probably because there is no fear of USIC fight, 602 00:36:46,679 --> 00:36:49,400 but also because it's just a fight that a lot of people want to 603 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,239 see. So it's got a tremendous amount of height and they're they're doing their 604 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,480 thing. Travanta Davis is you know, went through his media work out this 605 00:36:55,519 --> 00:36:58,920 week. They've got you know, I think on Thursday actually when he had 606 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,159 it, so they'll be I'm sure some stuff coming out of that. Ryan 607 00:37:01,159 --> 00:37:05,039 will have his coming up also, so they're doing their job of trying to 608 00:37:05,039 --> 00:37:07,320 sell this fight, and now they put together the undercard and to keep it 609 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,679 real. It kind of left me a little bit like, Yeah, I 610 00:37:10,679 --> 00:37:13,840 mean, don't get me wrong. I love the main event obviously, and 611 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,199 that's what sells the fight. That's that's obviously the most important. The undercard 612 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:22,519 is I don't know, I'm not I don't think it's like terrible anything like 613 00:37:22,559 --> 00:37:23,760 that, but it's just sort of like it leaves me a little bit sort 614 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,840 of like when we're giving it a grade, is it a C the undercard? 615 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,679 Yeah, I think that's fair. I'd say it's a see. That's 616 00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:34,239 a see. Morrel is on the undercard, right. So the co feature 617 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,559 is David Morrell. He is defending his uh WBA Regular super middleweight title against 618 00:37:38,679 --> 00:37:43,440 a fighter from Ghana who is fighting out of Tennessee named Senna at Becco, 619 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,119 who if you've been a fan of Showbox, you've seen him on the Showbox 620 00:37:46,159 --> 00:37:50,719 series. He's twenty seven and two with twenty one knockouts. He's thirty one 621 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,559 years old. He's won four in a row. His one loss are the 622 00:37:54,559 --> 00:37:59,000 most ys two losses. The most recent loss, he thought the undefeated Vladimir 623 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:05,199 Shishkin, who was a rank contender in that way class as well. Morrell 624 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,599 hasn't fought since the very unfortunate incident that happened last fall against Idosi Erbasinuley where 625 00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:15,519 he knocked it out and unfortunately yerbus Newly suffered a very bad brain injury put 626 00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:17,320 him in a coma for a bit. Fortunately he survived and was able to 627 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:22,079 go home to Kazakhstan, although his career is obviously over, so it'll be 628 00:38:22,119 --> 00:38:25,840 interesting seeing how David rebounds from that situation. And David Morrell is a very 629 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,559 likable fighter. He's a very exciting fighter. He's an interesting fighter. I 630 00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:31,519 love the fact that here's a kid that comes from Cuba that settled in Minneapolis, 631 00:38:31,559 --> 00:38:35,960 you know, which is completely different thing the type of place you'd expect 632 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,800 the young Cuban to settle. But he's been adopted by by their community and 633 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,840 by the boxing fans there and has a has a lot of drawing power when 634 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,239 he fights in Minneapolis. So I definitely am happy to see Morrell on the 635 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:50,519 car now. The good thing about it, they haven't said this, but 636 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,679 it seems very clear based on the comments, based on my interview with David 637 00:38:53,679 --> 00:38:59,519 Bennavities that's on the previous podcast. If he wins this fight, they're setting 638 00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:04,559 opposite situation where we'll probably see later this year David Denivides against David Morrell, 639 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:09,480 which is obviously a tremendous fight up that Dan. Yeah, because I listen 640 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:14,719 if these guys aren't you know, they're both of those guys are are mandatories 641 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:19,960 for Canello. Morrell as the regular champion and Denavides as the WBC's interim champion. 642 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,639 So they're right there on the doorstep of fighting for the big fight against 643 00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:25,800 Canelo. But Canello is on this speo. He's fighting John Ryder coming up, 644 00:39:27,639 --> 00:39:30,519 you know, in May. After that. He has said that he 645 00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:35,119 wants to fight the rematch in the fall against Dmitri BiVO at light have you 646 00:39:35,159 --> 00:39:37,039 weight, not at super mettle weight, So that will put the two mandatories 647 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,519 a little bit further behind. I don't think the organization will move to strip 648 00:39:40,599 --> 00:39:43,960 him or anything at this point. Um. And by the way, just 649 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,039 to give a little a little a little advanced keys on a future podcast, 650 00:39:47,119 --> 00:39:52,679 we will have the interview that I conducted with Canello Alvarez this week from his 651 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,480 training camp in Mexico. Very nice on Ryder fight and one of I'll just 652 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,840 give you a little hint one of the things I did ask him because there's 653 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,119 been a lot of conversation about if he does get the Beavo rematch of View 654 00:40:01,159 --> 00:40:05,159 beats Rider, does he want to do that fight at one seventy five or 655 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,559 there had been some conversation maybe Beevo would be interested to fight him at one 656 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,199 sixty eight because he can He's always said he can make the weight and for 657 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,599 him it would be a motivation to try to become undisputed at super middleweight. 658 00:40:14,599 --> 00:40:15,920 Canello was very clear with me. He said absolutely, I'm going back to 659 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,400 light everyweight and I'll fight him in that weight class. So we'll see what 660 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,880 happens with that. But the point I'm making is Morrell and Benavides are not 661 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:28,400 getting Canello this year, so they can make a big fight, a relatively 662 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,800 big fight anyway in that weight class by fighting each other. And David, 663 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:36,159 you know, showed what he could do against Cable Plant. Morella's look very 664 00:40:36,159 --> 00:40:37,519 good in his fights hopefull you know, for his sake, if he can 665 00:40:37,519 --> 00:40:40,239 shine on this undercard, that would be and the opportunity it's going to be 666 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,360 a lot of people watching this fight obviously given what the main event looks like, 667 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:49,119 So that that makes the co feature a little more palatable to me because 668 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,440 of the caret of the big fight coming after that with Benavides. So that's 669 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,199 the co feature, and then the other two fights. He got the opener, 670 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,400 which is the middleweight fight between Elijah Garcia, who kind of burst on 671 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,320 the scene with that impressive fight, you know, a few weeks ago, 672 00:41:01,559 --> 00:41:06,079 and he's taken on Kevin Salgado. So it's good to see what a guy 673 00:41:06,119 --> 00:41:08,440 who could be a top star, but you know, still a top level 674 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,880 prospect in the opener, And the one that kind of is the reason why 675 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:17,880 this undercard left me sort of like not that impressed was because the the fight 676 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:24,239 before the Morrell fight is David is a Gabriel Rosotto against Beck the Bully back 677 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:32,079 here Melakuziev, and I'm like, why now Rosato was lost I don't know 678 00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:35,880 what his five of his last six fights or something like that. The one 679 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,639 win that he does have he's been hanging his hat on for like the last 680 00:41:37,639 --> 00:41:43,119 two years, is he has a one plunge knockout against Beck the Bully, 681 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,800 who was a very heavy duty favorite. When they fought each other, he 682 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,239 stopped him in the third round with a great shot. And now they're having 683 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,280 a rematch. Golden Boy, which is the promoter of both of those guys, 684 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,199 and who were involved with this obviously because they're the promoter of Ryan Garcia. 685 00:41:55,360 --> 00:42:00,239 They had Rosato supposed to be in the ring against Gilberto's or too Ramirez 686 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:04,400 a few weeks ago. Ramirez didn't make the weight and not just by like 687 00:42:04,519 --> 00:42:07,360 missing by a pound or pound and affords something. He missed by what was 688 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,280 it, like ten pounds or seven pounds or eight pounds, whatever it was, 689 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,599 And so the fight got canceled and they had said, you know, 690 00:42:13,679 --> 00:42:15,320 they promised to get Resotto back in the ring as quickly as possible. He 691 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,800 had put in a full training camp, he did nothing wrong, he made 692 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,000 the weight. He's a good guy and you know, a hard work and 693 00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:23,079 all that. So they kind of looked around him and they and they decided 694 00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:27,320 to put him here in this make a fight that they could make, and 695 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,480 they give him the rematch against against against the bully. So you know, 696 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,719 it is what it is. I mean I don't love it. I mean 697 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,440 I would have rather seen the original. They were talking about putting Williams a 698 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,599 paida on the card. He's gonna instead go on April twenty ninth in the 699 00:42:39,639 --> 00:42:45,280 slot as they try to save the show that was impacted by the postponement of 700 00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:49,639 Standyonis and Virgil Ortiz. There was conversation that would maybe put Floyd's school Field 701 00:42:49,679 --> 00:42:52,519 on a pay per view in a in a spot there as one of their 702 00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:55,000 best, as their best prospect. Probably. I think he's on the card, 703 00:42:55,079 --> 00:42:58,760 just he'll be on the preliminary part of the card, not on the 704 00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:01,800 pay per view. I mean, so that Risotto goes from being at his 705 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:07,760 own main event against Risotto, which was bad enough, now he's here on 706 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,440 the pay per view in a rematch with Becta Bully. So you know what 707 00:43:10,519 --> 00:43:15,840 can I say? There you go, that's the undercard of Davis Garcia coming 708 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:20,360 in two weekends for that one in Las Vegas. We got one more news 709 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,079 item and then I promise we're talking a little nostalgia and we're done in the 710 00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:27,679 nostalgia's great nostalgia about Sugar Ray Leonard and Marvelous Marvin Hagler a mere Khan. 711 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:32,360 We have learned two year band for failed drug test after the kil after the 712 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:37,559 call Brooke fight. Give me more on this real quick. One thing is 713 00:43:37,639 --> 00:43:39,360 whatever he took it hurt didn't help him because he got pummeled in that fight 714 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:44,159 by kell Brook. And the silver lining that I find here is the following 715 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,719 the fact that he tested positive and took a two year band, which are 716 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:52,239 really amount to one year band because it's backdated to a data in April twenty 717 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,840 twenty two, which is when he was provisionally suspended by Yukon in the first 718 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:59,719 place. When you're out for that long on that kind of suspension, it 719 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,519 probably takes away the probability of him making a comeback from retirement, which I 720 00:44:04,519 --> 00:44:07,760 think is a good thing, but just hugely disappointing that Amir Khan, who 721 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,719 again I've liked and covered and enjoyed for many years. Good dude. We 722 00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,400 had him on the podcast a while back when he retired, had a wonderful 723 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,239 conversation about his career. I've always liked the guy. You know. He 724 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:21,280 says he didn't take anything knowingly. But I've never met an athlete that has 725 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,800 tests a positive or a band substance that said anything other than that, So 726 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,960 I don't know what to believe, but you know, unfortunately that's part of 727 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,760 the deal. And here's the difference between like what happened with u cod and 728 00:44:31,639 --> 00:44:37,960 and some other outfits. You cood accepted the fact that he didn't take it 729 00:44:37,079 --> 00:44:43,519 knowingly, but they subscribe to the concept of strict liability, which the WBC's 730 00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:46,760 clean boxing program does not subscribe to. And what's the difference the differences in 731 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:52,760 the WBC's program, which can't actually suspend a fighter from having a fight because 732 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,320 that's up to a commission, but they can do what they did to Connor 733 00:44:55,360 --> 00:45:00,679 Ben and they reinstated him into their rankings as because they said because it was 734 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:05,320 unknowingly in their opinion based on their investigation, that they wouldn't have any kind 735 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,119 of harsh punishment. In the case of UCAD, which does it the right 736 00:45:08,119 --> 00:45:12,519 way when it comes to this situation, it is tric liability. And the 737 00:45:12,639 --> 00:45:15,800 reason that what that means is if it's in your system and it's not supposed 738 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:20,800 to be knowingly or unknowingly, it's irrelevant how it got there. That's why 739 00:45:21,639 --> 00:45:23,840 when it got there, it's there, and that means you're in trouble. 740 00:45:24,039 --> 00:45:29,800 The old saying is I remember this back on a previous case. You know, 741 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,079 one of the commissioners telling it was Antonio Margharito. They used the same 742 00:45:32,119 --> 00:45:36,880 concept of trict liability when they were suspending him and revoking his license. Actually 743 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:42,440 for the hand rapping scandal about the Shane Mosley fight, you are the captain 744 00:45:42,519 --> 00:45:46,239 of your ship, means whatever is there, you're responsibility period, end of 745 00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,880 the story. So yeah, we believe you that you didn't do it on 746 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,880 purpose, but you're still going to sit down for two years. And that's 747 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,360 the bottom line. Now, the problem with this is YUCOD in general, 748 00:45:55,840 --> 00:46:01,079 is that it's absolutely fucking absurd that we have to wait a year to find 749 00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:05,559 out that this happened. He had that fight with kell Brook in February of 750 00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:09,679 twenty twenty two. Now they had his test back and provisionally suspended him in 751 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:14,920 April of twenty twenty two. So that's a reasonable that's not crazy. Then 752 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,440 they went to like some tribunal that obviously they did a good job of keeping 753 00:46:17,519 --> 00:46:22,440 secret. And so the point that they finally finished the case this week Monday 754 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:27,239 of this week and they announced the two year band there's ten months later, 755 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,840 ridiculous. I make the following point. There is a happy medium about everything 756 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:36,159 in life. So when it comes to the drug testing situation, on the 757 00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,400 one hand, you don't want to railroad somebody and rush through an investigation and 758 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,760 don't get him a chance to defend themselves and do it, you know, 759 00:46:42,199 --> 00:46:45,840 on a knee jerk reaction. You'd give the chance to have their say and 760 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,800 do an investigation, you know, and do it in an appropriate manner without 761 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,320 jumping to a conclusion. I have no problem with that. And if you 762 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,079 want to take I don't know, six months to do that, fine, 763 00:46:54,679 --> 00:47:00,360 but the science does not need two years or I should say fourteen months handled. 764 00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:02,840 So again, happy medium, don't railroad a guy. But there's no 765 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,920 reason to drag it out for as long as they dragged it out. I 766 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,639 mean, there's due process, but it shouldn't take fourteen months. So that 767 00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,559 pissed me off. And this is the same Yukat that pulled the same exact 768 00:47:10,599 --> 00:47:15,280 shit when Tyson Fury had a positive test years ago. It took so freaking 769 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:20,079 long for Yucat to deal with that they ended up giving Fur a backdated suspension 770 00:47:21,199 --> 00:47:23,519 he took. It took so long for them to adjudicate that case that he 771 00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:28,519 already had beaten Klitchko for the title. That was ridiculous. So he fought 772 00:47:28,559 --> 00:47:32,039 Klitchko after having a positive test and not having yet been punished. It is 773 00:47:32,159 --> 00:47:37,280 absurd. And I even have, yah, I even have punishment. That's 774 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,639 not punishment exactly. I understand what you're so and in this case, you 775 00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,360 know, I guess technically it's punishment. But he kind of already announce his 776 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,480 retirement anyway, So it's gonna amount not too much, I wouldn't think. 777 00:47:46,519 --> 00:47:51,440 But it's again unfortunate that Khan had this come up in the final bout of 778 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:55,719 his career and bring it to one more thing fourteen months to make this cannot 779 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,639 bring it to one more thing, and then we're gonna move on to learn 780 00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,039 Haggler, which is happier thing. Why have they not dropped the hammer on 781 00:48:01,159 --> 00:48:07,559 connor Ben but the same premise, the same presid but still I mean, 782 00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:10,719 it's the British Boxing Board of Control, right and was the UKad Was it 783 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,360 not a YUCOD test in the UK I need to explain this to you. 784 00:48:15,519 --> 00:48:20,800 Please handed out the punishment after going through the process that they have in their 785 00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:25,599 rules and regulations. The connor Ben situation, the test that he failed was 786 00:48:25,679 --> 00:48:30,840 a VODA test. It is not a UCOD issue cast. So the British 787 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,039 Board has to go through its process. And but what the problem here is 788 00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:37,159 that KHN was a license holder of the of the British Board. Connor Ben 789 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,639 gave up his license when he was found to ask. Doesn't allowed to do 790 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:45,679 that? It allowed to do that to avoid punishment. But here's the other 791 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,199 thing, though, here's the very important thing. Connor Ben, whatever the 792 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,679 semantics art is he suspended? Did he give up his license? Did he 793 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,320 have a vocation? That doesn't mean anything. What means something is that connor 794 00:48:55,400 --> 00:49:01,000 Ben is not permitted currently to fight in the United Kingdom. But that doesn't 795 00:49:01,039 --> 00:49:05,440 mean that he can't go to Abu Dhabi, as Eddie Hearn and Natural Boxing 796 00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,960 are planning for June three. But the British Board has no sway over what 797 00:49:09,119 --> 00:49:15,280 happens in a commission that is not in their country. Now, real commissions, 798 00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:19,360 real countries, real regulators will honor those types of things, right, 799 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:23,159 so we will not find for example, help help help me, help me 800 00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:29,280 on one point they actually hold on? Have they actually suspended him? Have 801 00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,519 I missed that? Did they Okay, they can't suspend a guy if he 802 00:49:32,599 --> 00:49:37,159 doesn't have a license, I said, but that's gaming the system that I 803 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,840 know that, I said, stop with the semantics. He doesn't have a 804 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,559 fucking license. You can't suspend him. But what you can do is you 805 00:49:45,639 --> 00:49:52,079 can put pressure of your Office of the Establishment of the British Boxing Board of 806 00:49:52,159 --> 00:49:57,079 Control and you talk to the other regulators in other countries and in the United 807 00:49:57,159 --> 00:50:00,280 States, so they talk to places like the ABC, who has issued a 808 00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:04,760 I don't know if it was an official memorandum or just hey guys, by 809 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,360 the way, whatever it was, the commissions in the United States, tribal 810 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,639 and state have been made aware that if connor Ben were to come here, 811 00:50:10,679 --> 00:50:14,760 they shouldn't license him. Now that doesn't mean that they can't if they want 812 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,679 to, because there's nothing that says they have to follow the rules of what 813 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:22,960 the ABC says. But as an example, Nevada will not go against the 814 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,159 ABC. If connor Ben tried to get a license in Nevada, he would 815 00:50:25,199 --> 00:50:29,199 not be allowed to even have a hearing probably to get a license. They 816 00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:30,800 would just say no, thank you, clear up your shit at home and 817 00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:35,119 then come back and talk to us. But that's different than what goes on 818 00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,960 in a place like the Middle East in Abu Dhabi, the United Arab Emirates, 819 00:50:38,519 --> 00:50:43,519 where it's not as strong boxing commission, where they rely on outsiders and 820 00:50:43,599 --> 00:50:46,400 frankly to run some of their events. When they were doing mega events like 821 00:50:46,599 --> 00:50:52,079 Joshua Versus Ruise, like Joshua versus Ousik, like the World Boxing Super Series 822 00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:57,039 back a few years ago with James de Gale and George Groves, I mean 823 00:50:57,199 --> 00:51:02,880 they were using largely personnel from the British Boxing Board of Control and other established 824 00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,960 European commissions. So I agree with what you're saying, but the British Board 825 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:12,280 cannot make some other country do what they want, which is they can go 826 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,320 there and fight. Here's what they can do. They can say to Counterbandon, 827 00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,960 to Eddie Hearn, if you go and do this to circumvent the system, 828 00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:21,639 we're not going to license you, or we're not going to license you 829 00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,519 for this amount of ton of our rules. Maybe it's gonna be two years, 830 00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:27,320 maybe it's gonna be three years. You can't fight in the UK. 831 00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:32,239 Is that they have to make because they actually made that clear that not only 832 00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:37,440 would they have a bad taste in their mouth if they saw that they went 833 00:51:37,519 --> 00:51:40,559 against their rules that he would have a hard time coming home. But whoever 834 00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:44,199 his opponent is, and like, let's say the rumor is that he's going 835 00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,000 to fight Chris Eubank Junior. The British Board not may not take kindly to 836 00:51:47,119 --> 00:51:51,840 that either and have a problem licensing you bank if you should come home because 837 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,440 he took place, he took part in what would be considered a renegade fight, 838 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:58,639 if you will. So there are trade offs. So my perspective is 839 00:51:58,679 --> 00:52:00,599 the following. You know what, maybe Connor Ben wants to go there and 840 00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:05,440 make a big payday for June against whoever he fights. I guess I can't 841 00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,079 do anything about that, but I don't have to license you at home. 842 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,199 So the question I would have is it worth the trade off to get a 843 00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:15,360 big payday to fight a renegade fight? Have your reputation continue to stay absolutely 844 00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,599 ruined and not be able to come home. And here's the reason why you 845 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:22,239 might be able to go to Dubai or Abu Dhabi or wherever somewhere else in 846 00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,599 the Middle East, Saudi Arabia, wherever. You may be able to fight 847 00:52:24,639 --> 00:52:27,840 there, you know, once or twice or whatever. But you're not going 848 00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,119 to make a market in Saudi Arabia. You're not going to become like a 849 00:52:30,199 --> 00:52:34,000 regular there. Your home base is the UK. So while you can get 850 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,159 a payday or two maybe in one of these exotic locations, you can't make 851 00:52:37,199 --> 00:52:38,639 a career there, right, So you got to make the trade off. 852 00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:43,800 My thought was, take your fucking suspension, do your time and come back. 853 00:52:44,119 --> 00:52:45,400 People forgive, they may not forget, but you'll get another chance. 854 00:52:45,559 --> 00:52:49,880 How many guys have to ail drug tests who've gone on for good careers after 855 00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,760 that and had the opportunity to make, you know, big fights and make 856 00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,199 a lot of money. So I think, as I've said, from day 857 00:52:55,239 --> 00:53:00,280 one, team Connor Ben has handled this like a fucking hand grenade terror from 858 00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:04,239 day one. I've said also, if I was teaching your class now not 859 00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,079 to handle the situation like this, I wouldn't even have to do anything because 860 00:53:07,079 --> 00:53:12,920 I showed them what comes, all right, that is a good way to 861 00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:17,119 cap all of that nostalgia. So on Thursday, as we released this podcast, 862 00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:22,119 it is made a mistake by the way beat that George Grossing it wasn't 863 00:53:22,119 --> 00:53:24,079 against the Gallo was when Georgia Grows fought against Calum Smith. That was in 864 00:53:24,119 --> 00:53:29,559 Saudi Arabia where that's the British Board and others were helping regulate that event. 865 00:53:29,559 --> 00:53:32,920 In my bed, the record is now correct. That's fine today as we 866 00:53:34,039 --> 00:53:37,239 release this podcast. Thursday ninety to Friday is the thirty sixth anniversary April six, 867 00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:44,159 nineteen eighty seven of one of the great fights of the nineteen eighties, 868 00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,400 two of the greatest fighters of all time in the non heavyweight divisions Hall of 869 00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:51,880 Fame Fighters, the last fight ever for Marvin Hagler. As it turns out, 870 00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,880 Sugar Ray Leonard comes out of a three year retirement and upsets the undisputed 871 00:53:55,880 --> 00:54:00,480 middleweight champion on April sixth, nineteen eighties. Now, you and I we 872 00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:02,679 disagree a lot of the time. Not all the time, but a lot 873 00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:06,039 of the time. You and I are actually an agreement on this. We 874 00:54:06,199 --> 00:54:09,320 have always believed Sugar Ray Leonard won this fight. However, there are a 875 00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:13,159 lot of people that believe that Marvin Hagler won this fight. It is still 876 00:54:13,199 --> 00:54:16,280 debated and talked about four decades later. Dan Rayfield, give me some more. 877 00:54:16,679 --> 00:54:20,639 Well, it wasn't for the undisputed title because even though Haggler was considered 878 00:54:20,639 --> 00:54:22,280 a Dutch champion. It was only for his WBC belt. He had given 879 00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,199 up or been shripped of the other two belts back in the day. That's 880 00:54:25,199 --> 00:54:29,360 semantics in any event. Look, I always thought that Ray Leonard won the 881 00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:30,760 fight, and I'm a huge Ray Leonard fan, and I'm a huge Marvin 882 00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,599 Hagler fan. I remember that fight when it happened. I wasn't as a 883 00:54:34,679 --> 00:54:37,960 diehard back then as I became, but that was the kind of sporting event 884 00:54:38,039 --> 00:54:42,599 that transcended just boxing. I mean, you know, I was in high 885 00:54:42,639 --> 00:54:45,119 school and kids talked about it at study halls, talked about in the library 886 00:54:45,199 --> 00:54:49,199 or in the gym, or you know, in the home room or you 887 00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,360 know, lunch room whatever. I mean, that was like a big deal 888 00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,719 cover of Sports Illustrated before the fight, when Sports Illustrated, you know, 889 00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:58,199 was still a big deal from page of newspapers. People asked me when I 890 00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,480 put up the thing about the being the anniversary, why was it on a 891 00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:02,519 Monday night? As we said before, back then, big fights were on 892 00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:06,519 Monday nights all the time because the movie theaters are empty and that's where people 893 00:55:06,519 --> 00:55:08,519 went to watch close circuit, and the movie theaters are looking to have some 894 00:55:08,679 --> 00:55:12,960 play some way to get people in besides just on you know, the Friday 895 00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,400 Saturday night type of weekend activity. So putting a big event on a Monday, 896 00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,199 it was good for the bars and restaurants and good for the movie movie 897 00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,519 theaters to bring customers in. And it was a huge deal anyway, Sugar, 898 00:55:22,599 --> 00:55:24,360 Ray leard, like you said, out of a big, long retirement. 899 00:55:25,119 --> 00:55:29,000 This fight had been you want to talk about over cooked at the time, 900 00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,880 how we've been dying for like Mayweather pack yea, or now it's you 901 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:36,519 know, Errol Spence and Terrence Crawford. This was that fight of that time 902 00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:38,880 pariod. Remember, Ray had put off this fight for years and years, 903 00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:43,280 a lot of teasing and a lot of taunting, and you know, Haggler 904 00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,639 wanted it so bad he even showed up at at at a ceremony thinking that 905 00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,199 they were gonna you know, Ray was gonna say, I'm gonna fight Haggler, 906 00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,760 and with Marvin there, he embarrassed to shoot out of him because he 907 00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,159 said, I'm retiring. And Marvin made the trip down to you know, 908 00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:58,679 uh Maryland to watch the ceremony thinking he didn't get the fight, and he 909 00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,800 walked out of there with the guy retireing. He made him look like a 910 00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:02,559 fool. So this was a long time mean, people need to go back 911 00:56:02,599 --> 00:56:06,480 and started their history, not just get cut up in the nonsense of what 912 00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:08,199 goes on today with Spence and Crawford, those other kinds of fights. We 913 00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:13,280 want to see Fury and Joshu or whatever. But so this was a huge 914 00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,119 deal. It had been put off for years and years and years. And 915 00:56:15,159 --> 00:56:20,320 when Ray Leonard went and watched Marvin Hagler fight his previous fight against John the 916 00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,079 Beastmogabbi, a fight where he scored and eleventh round knocket in one to retain 917 00:56:23,199 --> 00:56:29,039 at the time the undisputed title. It was at that time where Ray who 918 00:56:29,159 --> 00:56:32,960 was the super intelligent boxing mind, saw things in Marvin Hagler's performance and says, 919 00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,519 you know what, I can beat that guy. He got together with 920 00:56:36,679 --> 00:56:39,519 his team, they put together a perfect game plan and Ray Leonard won that 921 00:56:39,639 --> 00:56:44,559 fight. And I maintained and I'll go toe to toe with anybody on this 922 00:56:44,639 --> 00:56:47,639 anytime they want. That fight was one fifteen to one thirteen for Sugar, 923 00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:51,800 Ray Leonard. You got to give him the first four rounds of that fight, 924 00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,360 and you can say what you want, but Marvin Hagler gave them away 925 00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:59,360 in the key. The Tell if you will was Marvin Hagler coming out as 926 00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,039 a south Park to try to disrupt Ray Leonard, which to me, he 927 00:57:02,119 --> 00:57:07,119 told me he wasn't confident going in fighting the normal way that he would normally 928 00:57:07,199 --> 00:57:09,079 fight. So he gives away the first four rounds. And I've broken this 929 00:57:09,159 --> 00:57:12,679 fight down. I've watched it a thousand times and come up with the same 930 00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,440 thing every time. I gave round five to Haggler, so now he got 931 00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:19,440 four rounds to one. Sixth round to Leonard gives him even a deeper edge 932 00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,719 seven, eight and nine. Haggler makes it closer round ten, Sugar, 933 00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,480 Ray Leonard wins it. I always note that as a very close round, 934 00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:29,840 but I like Leonard in the fight, and now you got a close, 935 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,079 close, dead even fight. Ray Leonard wins the twelfth round. Not even 936 00:57:32,119 --> 00:57:35,000 close in the twelfth round. I mean, I clearly thought he won the 937 00:57:35,039 --> 00:57:37,440 twelfth round and closed the show. He won the crowd, he won the 938 00:57:37,559 --> 00:57:40,880 judges, he won the event, he made the fight. He didn't turn 939 00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:45,119 southpaw and do cockonae me things out of out of his norm. They had 940 00:57:45,159 --> 00:57:50,840 the brilliant strategy and This is well documented later and sertainly in the HBO documentary 941 00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,440 Legendary Knights, where he made sure that his team Sugar Angelo Dundee and the 942 00:57:55,039 --> 00:58:00,199 corner made sure he knew by hitting and yelling or whatever they did to make 943 00:58:00,199 --> 00:58:02,079 sure he knew there was thirty seconds left from the round. Because he finished 944 00:58:02,119 --> 00:58:05,480 around stronger, the judges are more apt to give it to you over what 945 00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:08,239 happened in the first thirty seconds, and so he made an impression on the 946 00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:12,400 judges. In the final routes, he showed enormous toughness because he did take 947 00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,440 some licks and he hung in there a smaller guy. Everybody thought he wasn't 948 00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:19,920 getting knocked out in like the first he was still standing after five or six. 949 00:58:20,119 --> 00:58:22,920 Everybody's thinking Ray Leonards already won the fight, even because he's not losing, 950 00:58:22,519 --> 00:58:25,960 and so everything a doubt. The way it went, Ray Leonard won. 951 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,920 He won on the scorecards deservedly in a close fight. Hagler never fought 952 00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,920 again. But it was a massive, massive event. It was a tremendous 953 00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:38,599 fight, and it was one of the great super fights of boxing history and 954 00:58:38,719 --> 00:58:42,960 what can you say, two all time legends and for the greatness of Ray 955 00:58:43,039 --> 00:58:45,639 Leonard, who was one of the greatest handful of fighters who ever lived. 956 00:58:45,519 --> 00:58:49,239 Whatever you thought about him because of the way he avenged the loss at d 957 00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,320 Ran, or beat Benitez for the title, or you know, knocked out 958 00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,960 the primo Tommy Hearns when he was undefeated. All the big wins at Trigger 959 00:58:55,000 --> 00:59:00,159 Ray Leonard had in his career, nothing tops what he did by coming out 960 00:59:00,199 --> 00:59:05,599 of that retirement and beating the great Marvin Hagler closer or not. That is 961 00:59:05,639 --> 00:59:08,400 the defining moment in my mind of Sugar Ray Leonard's career is a phenomenal fight 962 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:12,480 in a great win, and that is saying something with what you just listed, 963 00:59:12,519 --> 00:59:15,599 the revenge win over Duran, the win over Hearns, all the things, 964 00:59:15,639 --> 00:59:19,960 an Olympic gold medal, This is the moment two or three things from 965 00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,199 me. So again I followed it very closely. I was diehard Sugar Ray 966 00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,519 Leonard fan. Did not have access to the pay per view because again not 967 00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:30,000 every cable system at a pay per view, so I had to listen on 968 00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:34,559 the radio for the updates, no live play by play for the updates as 969 00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:38,920 teenage TJ what happened, and then you turned on ESPN and ESPN was rolling 970 00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,519 through the coverage, not able to show you the fight. They're showing you 971 00:59:42,599 --> 00:59:45,960 still photos Dan Ray feel and remember when you de press conferences and then you 972 00:59:46,039 --> 00:59:52,880 had to wait a few days to see the replay on HBO of the fight. 973 00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:57,440 And again, this was front page news, not just and again when 974 00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,280 newspapers were videaled, not just front page of the sports section. This was 975 01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:06,159 front page news that Leonard had scored this win Sports Illustrated cover. It was 976 01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:14,039 nationally a massive deals in the day, every bit as big then as like 977 01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,679 the NCAA Final four that just happened a few days ago, or you know, 978 01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,800 pick, I mean it wasn't as big as the Super Bowl or the 979 01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,239 World Series or something like that. But you know what, we have the 980 01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,559 Masters going on this week. It was just as big as the Masters. 981 01:00:25,679 --> 01:00:30,280 That's not bigger or the Kentucky Derby or the Indianapolis five hundred or any of 982 01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:34,800 those things. Right us opened Wimbledon D five hundred. Pick whatever sport you're 983 01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,280 watching, like, whatever their big deal is, Daytona five hundred. It 984 01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,679 was as big or bigger than any of those events, except for maybe the 985 01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:44,119 World Series. In the Super Bowl, it was bigger than like the NBA 986 01:00:44,199 --> 01:00:47,760 Finals. The NBA finals back then weren't even on live television away in the 987 01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:52,159 in the mid eighties, in the late eighties, so it was bigger deal 988 01:00:52,719 --> 01:00:54,480 than than the NBA Finals. And by the way, NBA Finals that were 989 01:00:54,519 --> 01:01:00,559 featuring you know, superstar players like Magic Johnson and well, let me correct 990 01:01:00,599 --> 01:01:01,800 you. You love at Craig mate. They got to live TV by the 991 01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,000 mid eighties, but the early eighties, you're right, they were on tape 992 01:01:05,039 --> 01:01:07,639 delay. They were on tape delay. And this and this again back to 993 01:01:07,679 --> 01:01:12,639 the documentary The Four Kings. It's phenomenal how they got to this point and 994 01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,119 when Leonard figured out, especially after the mcgabi fight, that Haggler is a 995 01:01:15,239 --> 01:01:19,360 lesser fighter, after the Hearns fight and after this mcgabi fight, now is 996 01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,639 the time. Now is the time if I'm ever going to fight him, 997 01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,760 to make the deal. And one monilog, Yeah, no, I was 998 01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:30,159 gonna say. There's three. There's three pieces of media besides just watching the 999 01:01:30,199 --> 01:01:31,840 actual fight. If you want to know more about what happened, about the 1000 01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:36,760 fight, how it came, about what happened the aftermath, and just delve 1001 01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,920 into the history of the matchup. The three main things that I would point 1002 01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:45,119 to that I have watched many times are read that are half to that if 1003 01:01:45,159 --> 01:01:47,880 you want to know more, and just it just interests you, not just 1004 01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,639 about well, I mean really this fight, but also just about the Four 1005 01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,679 Kings era in general. You must watch the HBO documentary. It's a thirty 1006 01:01:55,719 --> 01:02:01,000 minute documentary about this fight and the build up to Haggler or Haggler Legendary Knights, 1007 01:02:01,079 --> 01:02:04,639 Right, Legendary Knights. What did I say, No, you just 1008 01:02:04,679 --> 01:02:07,400 said the HBO documentary. You mean the Legendary Knight just giving the name. 1009 01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:08,599 Ye, yeah, so they did. Uh. That's a twelve part series, 1010 01:02:08,639 --> 01:02:14,639 but they have one episode that is devoted solely to the tale of Leonard 1011 01:02:14,679 --> 01:02:16,639 and Hagler. Tremendous documentary. The other thing, of course, is what 1012 01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:22,840 came out last year is the section of the multipart documentary that was on Showtime 1013 01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:25,320 about the Four Kings. But there's a big chunk of that devoted towards this 1014 01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:29,679 fight, and and the whole documentary takes you to the career and lives of 1015 01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,199 all four Kings, Haggler, Leonard, Hearns, and Durant. And the 1016 01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:35,960 other one that is phenomenal, and I would and I always get asked by 1017 01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:38,119 by boxing fans all the time, like what's a great boxing book to buy 1018 01:02:38,199 --> 01:02:42,679 or to read or to bower or whatever is. I cannot give my stronger 1019 01:02:43,079 --> 01:02:46,199 recommendation to the great, great book called I believe it. The title is 1020 01:02:46,719 --> 01:02:51,159 The Four Kings, which is written by the late great George Kimball, who 1021 01:02:51,239 --> 01:02:54,920 spent decades writing for The Boston The Boston one of the big Boston newspapers was 1022 01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:59,519 The Boston, not the Boston Boston Herald, not thest Harold Right to vote 1023 01:02:59,519 --> 01:03:01,360 for the Boston Garld. George was a friend of mine early in my career. 1024 01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:05,440 We've covered a lot of fights together, a tremendous countain of knowledge. 1025 01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,360 I had a great time getting to know him over the years. He covered 1026 01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:13,159 all nine of the Four Kings fights to around Robin they had with each other, 1027 01:03:13,519 --> 01:03:15,480 and he has a book that is devoted to that series of fights. 1028 01:03:15,719 --> 01:03:20,519 There is a chapter on each different fight with tremendous amount of background material, 1029 01:03:21,039 --> 01:03:23,800 the fight itself, the aftermath, but there's a whole chapter specifically on that 1030 01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:29,639 fight that is just unbelievably detailed and just glorious to read. I find myself 1031 01:03:29,679 --> 01:03:31,440 going back to that book on a regular basis. Matter of fact, as 1032 01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:35,320 soon as we've done with this podcast, I'm gonna go up to bed later 1033 01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,039 on, I'm gonna keep the books literally in my bedside nights. I'm gonna 1034 01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:43,039 bust a book out and I'm gonna reread the chapter on Leonard and Heckler. 1035 01:03:43,679 --> 01:03:45,920 It's a gill in the anniversary and I should mention too that on this podcast 1036 01:03:46,039 --> 01:03:50,039 feed on the Big Fight Weekend podcast feed. A couple of years ago, 1037 01:03:51,079 --> 01:03:54,000 on the anniversary of this fight, we did talk with another author, Brian 1038 01:03:54,159 --> 01:03:59,519 Dugan who's in the UK, and Brian Dugan wrote an entire book called The 1039 01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:03,079 Super Fight just on this fight the build up on it, and Brian spent 1040 01:04:03,199 --> 01:04:08,599 the better part of a year going through everything, all the interviews, all 1041 01:04:08,639 --> 01:04:13,239 the build up for the super Fight. Sugar Ray Leonard did talk to him 1042 01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:16,159 for the book. He got an opportunity with Leonard he unfortunately could not get 1043 01:04:16,199 --> 01:04:21,199 with Marvin Hagler, and Marvin Hagler obviously passed away a year ago for the 1044 01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:26,840 book, couldn't work it out, etc. But not again. It but 1045 01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:30,519 a plug for Brian Dugan's book The Super Fight, and he talked to us 1046 01:04:30,599 --> 01:04:33,840 at length on this podcast. Folks, again, I realized we're thirty five 1047 01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:40,880 plus years on. This was a massive, massive deal. This fight. 1048 01:04:41,199 --> 01:04:45,280 It was bigger than any heavyweight title fight that was going on in and around 1049 01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:49,840 it because Larry Holmes didn't have a massive opponent to fight against, and Mike 1050 01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:54,079 Tyson wasn't on the scene yet as the heavyweight champion. He was on the 1051 01:04:54,119 --> 01:04:57,000 scene just with Fringe. Yeah no, no, no, he had already 1052 01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:00,960 won the title in eighty six, but he had won the undisputed title. 1053 01:05:00,039 --> 01:05:02,000 Yeah, it was later that year. It was later when it was later 1054 01:05:02,719 --> 01:05:06,400 has been dethroned. And probably the biggest fight around that time was like Tyson 1055 01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:10,199 when he knocked out Homes. The point is, but that was that was 1056 01:05:10,239 --> 01:05:12,800 not until lighty eight, That was not until after this. What I'm saying 1057 01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:17,119 too is the Haggler Leonard, Duran and Hurns still commanded the most attention other 1058 01:05:17,199 --> 01:05:20,199 good days in the sport, and this matchup itself was huge. And by 1059 01:05:20,239 --> 01:05:23,480 the way, I covered a lot of fights with the Brian Dugan back in 1060 01:05:23,519 --> 01:05:26,360 the day. I forgot about his book My Bad. He's a great writer. 1061 01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,119 And the fact that Marvin went talked to him for the book. Does 1062 01:05:29,119 --> 01:05:31,280 not surprise me, not exactly his favorite topic. It's a miracle in my 1063 01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:34,800 mind that they actually convince him to do I sit down interview to talk about 1064 01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:39,920 it when he did the Legendary Knights uh episode. And the reality is because 1065 01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:44,039 the Regendar Knights also covered the Haggler Hearns fight. They probably you watched. 1066 01:05:44,119 --> 01:05:45,440 You can tell how he's dressed. They did both in the same interview. 1067 01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:49,400 They got one shot him Marvin, Let's talk to you about Leonard and then 1068 01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:53,519 we'll spend ten minutes talking about Hearns. Let's talk about it. I probably 1069 01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:57,800 probably boarded him up and talked about the Herns fight first and then moved on 1070 01:05:58,239 --> 01:06:01,960 UHL. But Brian Dugan's book is out there. We plug him again and 1071 01:06:02,039 --> 01:06:06,719 we interviewed him again on this podcast. Just search his name Brian dand ogg 1072 01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:11,559 A N d O O g A and if I spell it right on this 1073 01:06:11,719 --> 01:06:15,679 podcast feed and you can go back and hear how he I said to Brian, 1074 01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,039 I said, why did this captivate you so to want to write a 1075 01:06:18,079 --> 01:06:23,679 book, And he said, because at that time I was kind of fledgling 1076 01:06:23,719 --> 01:06:26,760 sportswriter and I wasn't even able to come to the United States and cover this 1077 01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:30,599 fight, but it just so captivated me because Las Vegas seemed like a movie, 1078 01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:35,119 It seemed like another place. These seem like movie stars like Rocky, 1079 01:06:35,559 --> 01:06:40,840 like Sylvester Stallone and Carl Weather's fighting on a big screen. Yet it actually 1080 01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:45,320 happened, and it just it intrigued him so much to want to write about 1081 01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:48,840 this. So again, we spent probably thirty minutes talking Leonard Hagler. Search 1082 01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:53,760 his name on this podcast feed Brian Dugan, d O O G A N. 1083 01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:57,199 You'll hear that full interview. Put it in the search bar on any 1084 01:06:57,239 --> 01:07:01,119 of your podcast outlets. It will come up under this podcast For more plug 1085 01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:04,400 go on YouTube and watch the freaking fight and score it. And yes, 1086 01:07:05,079 --> 01:07:08,960 and the biggest thing that with what you did, and you did a great 1087 01:07:09,039 --> 01:07:13,719 job of talking through how it all went is Marvin Hagler would break fight after 1088 01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:15,760 fight after fight. He would break the other fighter. He'd break the opponent, 1089 01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,599 he'd break him down, he'd stop him. He could not break ray 1090 01:07:18,679 --> 01:07:21,960 Leonard. He couldn't get to him, couldn't hurt him, couldn't knock him 1091 01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,920 down, much less knock him out. And that's as big a testament as 1092 01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:30,159 anything. The one thing that Hagglers did speak about in the interview about this 1093 01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:31,880 fight was and he made a great point here. He's like, just when 1094 01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,280 I had him going, which he had him, you know, it wasn't 1095 01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:38,639 like it was a lopsided dominating win. I mean, he hurt Leonard a 1096 01:07:38,679 --> 01:07:40,800 bunch of times, and you know, back them up, and had him 1097 01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,400 on the ropes a bunch of times. But he made the point that every 1098 01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:45,920 time I felt like I had him, just when I started to finally get 1099 01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:47,119 to him and tee off on him, the doll would ringing around with in 1100 01:07:47,639 --> 01:07:50,679 and you know, there's and there's one more sequence. I think it's in 1101 01:07:50,719 --> 01:07:53,880 that ninth round or tenth round that you're talking about. I think it's the 1102 01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,840 ninth round where he's gotting trapped, he's hitting him, hurt him. Go 1103 01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:00,639 back and watch this and Leonard comes off the ropes with a bage of like 1104 01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:04,320 fifteen punches, and it's like that was the moment where Sugar Ray Leonard said, 1105 01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:06,760 you are not going to break me, you are not gonna knock me 1106 01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:11,000 out. I'm about to demonstrate how you're not gonna knock me out. I'm 1107 01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:14,599 not gonna let you knock me out. So just a great fight to go 1108 01:08:14,679 --> 01:08:16,680 back and relive. I don't want to accept that that was thirty six years 1109 01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:19,560 ago. It was thirty six years ago. Ray Field, Sugar, Ray 1110 01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:23,840 Leonard, Marvin Hyer, Hall of famers, don't remember. I was in 1111 01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:28,520 high school. I was a junior in high school. Like talking to the 1112 01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:30,680 kids in classes, you and me both. I stayed up till like one 1113 01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:33,479 am. I wasn't allowed to stay at that late, watching all the post 1114 01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:38,279 fight stuff live on ESPN and CNN Sports Tonight with it, and then you 1115 01:08:38,359 --> 01:08:40,920 were so intrigued, When do I get to see the replay on HBO? 1116 01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:44,319 Because we had HBO. I'm trying to remember. I don't know if they 1117 01:08:44,399 --> 01:08:47,479 showed it again on network TV like ABC or one of those that next weekend. 1118 01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:50,760 I think it was only on HBO. I think maybe maybe they eventually, 1119 01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:53,359 but it was a long time later. But if you wanted to see 1120 01:08:53,359 --> 01:08:56,800 it without having bought the pay per view or the closed circuit ticket, yeah, 1121 01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:58,960 HBO was where you had to watch again. This was This was a 1122 01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,399 time people need to understand is when not every cable system offered pay per view 1123 01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:05,359 and you couldn't see it if you had the capability to go to a theater 1124 01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:10,319 or a ballroom. Yes, but all over the country cable systems didn't all 1125 01:09:10,399 --> 01:09:12,479 have pay per view to be able to watch it. So you're like in 1126 01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:15,720 the dark. You're in the dark. What happened if you if your cable 1127 01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:19,119 system did allow you to get the pay per view, you had to physically 1128 01:09:19,239 --> 01:09:24,319 go to the cable company, pick up a special box, bring it home 1129 01:09:24,359 --> 01:09:27,560 and you know, easy plug it in at the whatever in the back of 1130 01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,720 into the wall, and then a couple of cable tables right and then when 1131 01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:35,000 it was over, yeah, to bring it back because that box only worked 1132 01:09:35,039 --> 01:09:38,920 on pay per views. You're exactly, I do remember that box, but 1133 01:09:39,039 --> 01:09:41,560 we didn't. It was I don't even think it was available. Then you 1134 01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:45,399 have to be committed to wanting to see the event if you're going to go 1135 01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:48,439 to the trouble of driving to your cable company, waiting online, picking it 1136 01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:51,000 off, and falling it bringing it back. You got to order. I 1137 01:09:51,039 --> 01:09:54,680 mean, but people did it because it was that big of a deal. 1138 01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:58,159 People if it was necessary to do that for like something like the Super Bowl, 1139 01:09:58,199 --> 01:10:00,399 they would do it. That's how big the fight was, you know, 1140 01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:01,760 as we keep saying, not to beat the dead horse here, but 1141 01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:05,199 it was. It was just a different time. There was no phone, 1142 01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:09,960 there was no smartphone, there was no computer, there was right, there 1143 01:10:10,079 --> 01:10:13,560 was no nothing. You know, maybe you call up the eight nine hundred 1144 01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:15,479 line on the score line to find out what happened for fifty cents if you 1145 01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:18,920 were lucky. If you didn't see it, you're going back to the sports 1146 01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:23,039 phones that were fifty cents a minute, ninety nine cents a minute to find 1147 01:10:23,119 --> 01:10:26,039 out, and then sitting and watching all the stuff after it was over. 1148 01:10:27,159 --> 01:10:30,640 I still remember, I want to say, it was like Chris Berman sitting 1149 01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:33,000 there with Bob Lee on ESPN. I can't remember who was lying in Vegas, 1150 01:10:33,039 --> 01:10:35,399 because I don't think Charlie Steiner, who you know, when you were 1151 01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:39,600 around a bunch, I don't think Charlie Steiner was working for them yet. 1152 01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:42,239 I don't know who was in Vegas. I don't know Burman was in Vegas. 1153 01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:46,680 But I still vividly remember watching for an hour two hours late night on 1154 01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:50,520 that Monday night, April to sixth, all the aftermath it was that big 1155 01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:56,079 of a deal. Great reminiscing on Leonard and Hagler again, three different fight 1156 01:10:56,199 --> 01:10:59,720 cards in San Antonio, Newark, and in Carson, California. To go 1157 01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:02,640 over here. A great job with that. Dan Rayfiel will pick some of 1158 01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:05,680 these fights coming up Friday, one Eastern time, depending on when you're hearing 1159 01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:11,479 us one Eastern time. Bet us Boxing Show on their platforms, their YouTube, 1160 01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:15,000 their Twitter, their twitch. Find us will make some boxing predictions, 1161 01:11:15,079 --> 01:11:18,640 some gambling predictions on the fights. 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