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You know, we always talk about going back to you know on the
I hop recording from an iPhone and here we are. Yeah, I think,
I think, uh, I think on Thursday we need to like bring
out that like clip for that footage on phone. We should Happy birthday to
Harriet, Harriet Birthday, Happy birthday. Here bus man my show from the
guys. We got a jam packed show because we know we got a special
guest on a Spartan legend joins the show. But right now we're going to
talk a little bit about you know, we had something funny happen in the
news. We talk about all things college sports, and this thing was just
it's not necessarily Michigan State related, but something was too big for us to
pass up. Austin Simmons commits to own this, but he reclassifies from the
twenty twenty five to twenty twenty three. The kid had a five point three
four GPA. Hey, look, I want him on my team Fellers,
if you know what I mean? Hey, like the math math because with
that that's on it is that a genius level? I don't know. Is
that the that's the untapped education level that we had now reached ever super seded.
So I thought it was a silly at least a four four three fourth,
like four like g P a higher than that, but a five three
it's like, uh, that's a Rhodes scholar in my book, unbelievable,
like almost as good as you. Right, I'm with Otis on that.
It's like the mathing mathing. I feel like I feel like I feel like
I feel like that commitment should have been like a Stanford right anti climactic Kiffin.
Yeah, man, the sip. Hey, you know what, this
is a good question. This is a good question for the group. Would
you use a full right scholarship knowing he's going to get at full right academic
scholarship. I feel like if you're in that threshold, like a full percent
academic everything paid, like we used that Scouys for somebody else, but you
want me for full scout that he won't he won't be able to get the
meals. Oh that that changed that everybody everybody, everybody, everybody al must
leftover food. Everybody, everybody eats. They don't have like separate cafeterias anymore.
Like like how bad it was back then with us? Yeah, like
I used to it. That was so wrong. We had a bad And
then we're gonna talk to our special guests and he's gonna give you some stories.
I guarantee you on what training table used to be like to fire what
it is today. We wanted to have the tight start of the turn with
training table like my junior year. So when we started going to the restaurants
and everything like that. What year was that? Oh six six, that's
yeah. Then it started to turn because Uncle Craftsman didn't wants to give us
young under I stayed giving people rides. You did you did? Hey?
I think Harriet joined us late, so we once again we want to say
happy birthday to Harriet Dean. I think she came on a little later,
so she didn't hear the first one birthday Harriet. Hey, look, Harry,
Harry is always invited to the so she gets the she gets it all.
She gets that Stevie wonder Birthday to Happy Birthday, happyday, every birthday.
We got us. This is what we do with this is fardays we
sing happy Birthday to the loyal listeners that this is what we had a birthday
party from my daughter, oh Saturday, so we had to sing both versions.
I guarantee your daughter was like, uh, where's that baby? Sharp
version bro the Liberian and the Canadian saying it all as your baby girl,
your birthday is the day before Father's Day. Not so good for my younger
son Cody, his birthday was on Father's Day. He got short changed,
you know, but still it was a good birthday for him. That's the
way it is, guys. We got us a long snapper commitment of M
s U. Drew Wilson the New Commitment two. You love kickers. What
do you feel about long snappers? Long snappers, punk snapchoo punters. I
like that for for that side of things. We need the help in long
snapping. Last year, our long snapping was shaky at best, very shaky,
and there's a lot that goes into that. You know, the timing.
You always you know otis you said it last year when you can notice
how important it was when coach Felino always had that stopwatched. I mean those
long snap I mean those punts and everything like that. So it's a big
part, you know, of everything, and that's something that get lost in
the shuffle of everything. And we felt that last year because we were hurt.
Because you always preach win on all three phases of the game, offense,
defense, and special teams. It's called special teams for a reason.
You have to have some special talents to play that position. So the long
snapper, I'll welcome him in until he snaps one over the punter's head or
snaps one, you know, a bad one for the field goal or something
like that. Then he's off my island. He's off your islands on the
island because like, yeah, I agree with you too. It is it's
got to be the quickest snap and get to for punt, get to field
coverage right the punt. There's no pressure because you can't touch the punter on
any phases. Right, you can't snapper. I'm sorry, you can't touch
a punter. Either's rough and punk kicker, right AnyWho? Sorry, no
for the long snapper, you can't touch him, so like there's no pressure.
But in those tense moments, like let's flash back to Indiana where the
snap was good, right, the snap was good, it's the kickers.
So like you said, three phases. There's specialties offense defense, but there's
phases in that long snap that holding and then the kicker feel good. So
it's gotta be smip snapping. I always always ask why, you know he
used to walk around just to kind of look like he was doing something,
and then you're I'll think it was in the year he had the megaphone.
He was yeah, yeah, talking script like change change the periods. But
yeah, to your point, good grab. Like you said, long snappers
are athletes now, man, so let's see how he adjusted and adapts.
I want to go that far, hey man, take hey Pepper, you
remember sack Rider. Like I said, I wouldn't go that far Pepper's I
would give him. You know, he he's he's making his thing in the
league there. Also since he does he make it there, you can make
it for a year. You you in, like, yeah, so I
get it. Usually, like you know, they're like old tight ends.
You know that you know don't even do anything. See my thing, They
don't do anything. That's the thing. You know, Like they go out
there, we're out there in individual sweating doing things and they just kicking it
on the sidelines. They're doing new things. And then we had a long
snapper when I was on scout team my freshman year when I was red shirting.
He'll always be like, hey, hey, hey, chill, chill,
chill, I'm working on a new snap. I'm like, mother,
you know how many new snaps are that you snapping the ball fifteen yards or
you're snapping at seven. That's it. Hey, this is the best ever
if you want to get your home roster than Pepper still there? He is?
He is there a relation to table Pepper, Hank Pepper. You know
we got sure peers. Give us one of our subscribers, you know,
you know, you know Tony gg Or, Trevor Trevor who was on our
who follow us, they know all the answers. Yeah, Tom, all
guys, get the guys. We gotta get to move on to Draymond Green
declines his option with the Warriors. What does that say about Draymond's future with
the Warriors next year? I don't make enough money being that that bracket to
be talking about discussions and turning down the millions of dollars. So that's a
different conversation. I'm like, do what you do best, because clearly if
you turn that down, you know for a fact that you gotta you gotta
Ballard, the number one agent in the game, Rich Paul and some other
suitors out there is probably gonna give him more. So I just I feel
like, now there's a strategically business move, support him whatever. But we
did see the Warriors new GM come out and say, hey, we absolutely
have to have Draymond here. We have to do our best to get him
and keep him here. So he has show showed value and worse, and
he's not just you know, a guy that's gonna you know, beat Draymond
like he is a great facilitator, a great teammate. If you turn out
that money, like obviously just a bigger picture, there's a plan. So,
like I said, I'm not at liberty to be talking about millions of
dollars because you know, I ain't. I ain't up there making that.
But it's it's it's a little you can talk about it. I can talk
about it, but I ain't about it, but you know, I think,
you know, I set this back when the Warriors were in the playoffs.
I think Draymond's tenured with the Warriors. It's you know, coming to
a close and you two are like, oh man, you you you guys
acted like you were in that scene from Eddie from Coming to America when he
said he ran into doctor Martin Luther King. Man, you ain't never really
know that's the King. That's how you guys acted like that when I said
that. But here we go. I think, you know, he he
he wants obviously, I think at the end of the day, he wants
to stay in Golden He wants to stay a Warrior. I think, you
know, should he stay a Warrior? Yes, I think, you know,
cementing his career, you know, with one team that his entire career,
it just adds to it. You know, there's only a few guys
that have done that, and so if he you know, he wants to
do that. But I think there's some you know, different opportunity. I
think that chemistry was lost with the team, and there was even they even
he even said it, you know, once he knocked out Jordan Poole,
all the trust on that team was gone. How can you get that back?
They just re up Jordan Poole. So he's gonna be there for a
while. Is there room for both of them there? You know, he
was in France on Sunday with one Lebron James, you know out there here
we go right here in France on some day with Lebron. Lebron's trying to
recruit guys to LA right now. It's a short trip, you know.
So I think, you know, I love Draymond. I think like his
his time, his tenure, maybe running out in Golden State with some of
the antics and everything like that, like you know, getting ejected, you
know, suspensions, you know, the friction within the team. The trust
is gone. And even the GMS said, you know, they would still
be playing, but even Steve Kerr said the trust was gone once he knocked
out Jordan Poole. So I think there's gonna be you know, I don't
think, you know, like it's it's as cut and dry that Draymond's gonna
be back in Golden State. Hey, you know, my favorite part of
that picture is that Lebron and Draymond are where they at France and they're incognito
with those bucket hats and sunglasses, just so you know, like that,
no one they stand up and walk around France, the streets of San Trope.
No one knows who those guys in the buckinghatching class. That's looked like
a nice little stogy in his hand. Too great? Right? Have you
ever bet see your brother play the mandol ay for one Spartan legend. Hey,
look we're gonna have We're gonna have an incredible running back one of the
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sin and that was right there. Look at this. I feel like I
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this is started as you. Welcome to the show. Rin. So how
you doing, brother, I'm good. What's going on? Fellas well?
Congratulations to you because just yesterday we learned that you are now a newly inductive
member to the Michigan Sports Hall of Fame. About time. Good job and
congratulations on that. Thank you guys very much. You know, I don't
know, I'm I think I'm finding running out of shells to put stuff on.
In January, I was voted to the the Rose Bowl Hall of Fame.
So you know, so I'm happy for them all, you know,
yeah, absolutely, and uh, you know it's it's such a great,
you know, honor to have you on because you know, as a as
a you know, running back myself in a running back that played at Michigan
State. When you come into Michigan State, you know, the first thing
you hear about it, you know, you talk there's the greats, but
there's Lorenzo White, you know, unmistakenly undoubtedly you know the best to to
you know, lined up in the backfield like Michigan say you talked to I
remember we're in Seattle when we played against Washington, and you know, we're
in a room there and TJ. Duckett was there and I was like,
Dug, you know, like, who do you say the top three you
know running backs in Michigan's history, And he, without a doubt, you
know, the Godfather's number one, Lorenzo. You know that everybody knows and
feels that, and it's just a you know, like it's so cool to
have you, you know, to be you know, in the same position
group, you know as someone like you. And so you you had you
know a lot of you know, great you know, great, a great
career in Michigan State. But let's talk about a little bit like the longevity.
You know, how you did it? You you got a ton of
carries, you know, how did you keep yourself you know, in shape
and like physical that you can go out and play every single week. Well,
I just think you know when you talk about that, you know,
when you when you're young, that's all you want to do is carry the
football, you know, and and making that decision to go to Michigan State.
If you had to ask anybody, when I was coming out of school,
everybody had me pegged to go to Georgia because of heirshel Walker and the
things that he did and the things that Georgia do with the running backs and
being down south. You know, when I went to Michigan State, man,
it was just one of them things. I mean, like it just
like it felt good when I went to go visit felt like that was my
place, you know. You know we talked about all the all the star
running bikes that went to all the universities. So I wanted to have my
own litt niche when I went to Michigan State. And you know, instead
of going there and say, Hirshwalker and Lorenz are white, my thing is
I wanted to go to Michigan State and be the man. Hmm. Yeah,
see that's that's that's what you said, be the man because that's like
at that point I say unconventional choice, because I mean everybody grew up watching
Hershel Walker, and I see you steps of like, hey, you know
they're gonna pay respect and give you the ball there because they're running the run
of the ball. But for you to come here and wear the green of
white. I try to find a picture. I was in Texas water raising
austin my class base. I think it was third third grade. I mean,
I ain't trying to you the O G right, I had this good
State I have the I had the Lorenzo White jersey. My parents will flipped
though, right, so I had the Lorenzo White jersey in my class picture
and not knowing that I was gonna be playing Mischigan State. I need to
find it. I need to put on social but I want to said,
look, I grew up watching watch y'all man, so uh talk about just
talk about just staying around and being around the program. You know, you
did so much for the Green of White. And we had one of your
your your teammates and Tony Manderts on last was that last week two weeks fly
by. We have a lot of guests ago two Thursdays go man, look
content baby's going good. But he about that team and full of characters,
but full of like just outstanding stud athletes. But y'all are at your family,
our brothers. But talk about that that Rose Bowl game, but like
having all of that high quality talent, you at the running back, you
had to ride receivers, you had Tony, just talk about just that that
whole role with that team there, well you know and coming you know,
like I said, that's that's that bond you know when your teammates you that.
I mean, you you know, we came in and we had been
through a lot, and you know, that was one of the one of
our goals was to go, you know, go on. And I mean
I'm talking about not just one person but all everybody. That team goal.
My thing was, you know, you know, to try to get to
that Rose Bowl and uh, oh good there you go, can you yeah?
Yeah, when you when when you're when you're a family, and man,
it was just I mean it was just so good, you know,
the fellowship and to hang out with those guys and you know, to grow
with those guys. So and you guys know because you guys, you know,
I mean and come, you know, bond hang out. Well,
I think we're having some technical difficulties there, all right, Yeah, yeah,
yep, you're back. Yeah, So you know, I was just
saying that. I mean, you guys know how important it is, you
know when you first get to college and and everybody bonds together. So and
that's just what we did, you know, and uh my last year was
just great, you know that. I mean for us to get a chance
to go playing mm hmm yeah, and then showing it right here that nineteen
eighty eight Rose Bowl looking lines roses the rest loo what it looked like watching
this, uh, this type of television with the pixels you know when you
play it's different than the high definition right right now? Oh yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, oh it's different. But in all seriousness, man
like, let's talk about you your recruitment out of dialing high. I mean
down there for a lot of you know, you got a lot of talent
down in South Folk. Oh yeah, a whole lot of talent. How
that was George Burlis able to come down there, because that's the coach GP,
that was your man. How was he able to come down and get
you up to Michigan State? I think coming back, you know, I
was a big motivator, you know, of myself, you know, and
things that I wanted to accomplish, you know, so I set my goal
is kind of high. So and then when he came down, he just
made made it you know certain that oh I can do all the things that
I want. And if I if I come here, if I come to
Michigan State, They're gonna do everything in their power for me to try to
obtain it. You know, the most important thing, you know for me
was to you know, come there and win. But you know I always
had the Housemo Trophy on my mind to win it, not once but twice.
So I just you know, we talked about we talked about herschel Walker,
you know, and the things that he did, you know, so
you know, saying your goal was high when I came in and he was
right there, Purvis was right there on the side of me, you know,
helping me and you know feed me the rock too. Yeah, you
got to ride like something. I remember Javan and I talking like man so
used to be getting the ball like forty times a game and here we're struggling
to flip the tender you know, twenty carries in the game between the both
of us there and you were just eating. It wasn't easy. And you
forgot you forgot who I had that why right? You know I have a
brother, you know I have and when it all happens, when it when
it all happens, you know, I just think that's what that's what it
comes down to, like, you know, when you you got your brother,
you know, and that's one thing that me and Dre did. It
was just one of those things. You know, we ran the ball a
lot, but you did. H Yeah, that was that. That was
absolute lethal combination there, you know. And you know, just looking back
at you know, all those uh guys that you had to you had Tony
men Rich running the picture that you had, Andrew Rising that you had you
know yourself there just a just a team and you know that's one of those
offenses. Not enough ball to go around. You know, everyone was deadly.
It's all good man. But like we can talk about it, like
yeah, for sure, but like I want to I want to just go
back, like I wish we had miked up in like offensive huddle, right,
all those personalities of like when the call comes in and be like Dre
Andrew Rising, like no, I throw me the ball, like get me
the rock. You know, I want to They had one of those,
right, like a movie Miles like give movie the ball right right. It's
so uh you know that that's one of the big things because I you know,
like I said, you know, we're sitting in there, we're talking
to you know, coach ENO's about and some of the older guys that when
they come back and just talk about those days and like the the legacy you
know that those guys brought and a guy like Lorenzo and it's you know,
like I said, it's good to see him. You know, every season
you know he's back. You know, he's back at Spartan Stadium watching the
games and everything like that, you know, coming back. It's really cool
to see. I do know. You know I was chasing them, chasing
them for that my senior year, you know, but it's it's so cool
to be you know, he's one. I'm number two you know in that
book there. So it's it's you know, sounds like your one that was
your one up, just the same one. Now. No, no,
I just remember going on, you know, talking to him, you know,
and I see you have thirty nine. Yeah yeah, so you you
are a humiation. He was like, come on man, yeah yeah,
yeah. It's is Lorenzo at forty three, Jay Lane for the forty this
is touchdowns career touchdown you at thirty nine. So the single season, Jay
Lane for pass you up that year and every bro it was that Rosebow year,
wasn't it, Jeffy? He didn't you didn't catch you, you know,
career career here. Uh you know you're talking about you know, I
just I mean, I just enjoy you know, just watching I mean all
you guys, you know play My thing was you know one thing I do.
I do believe. I believe Green And at the end of the day,
when it comes to when it comes to the yardist, I mean,
all of them, Le'Veon, you know, man, Devon, I mean,
come on, I mean, we just we can just keep going.
I love I mean, I love my school for that. You know,
we could say running by you too. Yeah, brothers, It's a lot,
right, And that's I mean, and that's what it's about. You
know. Lorenzo, when we had Tony man Rich on the show and we
talked about the Rose Bowl for him, he said, like it was more
rewarding clinching against Indiana for that Big Ten title than the Rose Bowl. Is
that the same for you man? That I mean, the Rose Bowl was
the Rose Bowl. But at the end of the day, that game at
Indiana, when you had, like everybody, oh, I feel like the
content guys, on's it start getting good? Tell them everywhere you go this
video, turn his video, turn your video. He's good. He's good,
He's good. Okay, Yeah, yeah, So no, turn the
video off and I think the audio would be straight. But oh man,
I was getting that. We gotta get them all for sorg. Hey,
this is not podcast. Maybe we're gonna deal with it. You're gonna come
back. But like like you guys was talking about right there, you know
you want to deal with he said running back you was that something that you
thought about too when when you were were getting recruited? Yeah. Absolutely,
That's one of the reasons you know, I did go to Michigan State is
because one they like big backs. You know, you got Lorenzo with some
baked back. You know, t J. Duckett was a big back.
You know Le'Veon Bell was a big back. You know all those the lights,
big bruising back in the Big ten there, and uh, you know
that that is exactly one of the reasons that when it's that lineage, you
know of running the football and having you know, those kind of you know,
the opportunity to want playing the Big ten and then two you know,
you know you're going to run the ball, you know, because that's how
you win football games, especially in November in the Big Ten. No doubt
about it. Man, what you're thinking of? Man, Look I want
to know, like the full recruiting pitch like back then too, was the
video of like hey Alhamas to the running back greats like Mount Rushmore running of
running backs and it's like you if you come here, you can be your
Punton knowledge. At that time, what were they truly talking like straight out
when you got there, they yeah, big bax, But like, what
was the full pitch though? So you know, you know, my recruit
guy was my recruiting coach was Jeff Stoutland and Mugie Mitchell. No, no,
no, so Stoutland, you know, he's an offensive line coach.
Offensive line coaches want to run the football. And then so he's talking about
you know, all these guys, these greats you know that that you know,
walked the halls and did all that you know at Michigan State. And
then we did go to the running backs room with Reggie Mitchell and they had
highlights you know, and it started, you know, it started with a
different music. It was like music by era, you know, it was
like different music. Like they had highlights of Lorenzo, you know, all
those other guys, you know, Cedric, you know all this, and
then the music started going changing different as we got to Newark's and then the
hip hop started coming in. You know when they show TJ. Ducket,
they had a little John Flowers all those guys. It was just like a
cool transition into and then at the end of the ape it just said you're
next, you know kind of thing, and then could you not want to
and then instead would your music be say ticket from Remember what I said.
We got to hear that one more time before we go. Yeah, So
if you like you guys, I know we've we've talked about this as running
backs and this is you know, like I tell you know, talk to
you know, Javaon about this, you know, talk to t J.
Duckett about this, and I've asked them, you know, rate your top
top five running backs at Michigan State, you know, of all time,
and you know it's you. Why is it? Like? What did I
do? I'm trying to have a co inquir reminds us one to know to
like how to trying to get I'm trying to I'm trying to get as you
like you rate. I feel like as a per personal if I'm I'm putting
myself in the top five, I definitely put myself. I put myself.
Yeah, that's what he's asking. He said, are you trying to get
there to say? You know, I didn't say, you know, you're
not You're not. The thing is this? The thing is this? Let
me tell you this. I think all I think the three of us left
K nine off the top five? Why one year? Because it was the
one here talking about body of work. If you go, if you go
top seasons like start like Spartan, guys that started freshman year to him leaving
the program, I get you in this whole era right here. Oh absolutely,
no, no, no, no, I'm just saying. I'm saying,
like, if you look, I'm where everyone's like looking at the full
body of work. You know that kind of thing. If if you go
one season K nines up there, you know for one of the best seasons,
he's probably two for one of the best seasons, you know, I
mean, does that one season cover like multitude of three three seasons because he
went off on the year. I mean, what he did to Michigan alone,
you gotta allowed you have to. I'm just letting you know what happened.
What was said in the running back. I hear you. You think
we can agree that you know what was said in the running, I just
top five rappers alive. I thought it was gonna be like to to to
to. I'm not like and and don't get me. See now people are
saying, like, I already know what's gonna happen. It's gonna get out
there. Jay, you didn't doesn't think k Nines one of the best backs
to come out, and that is not true. I was where you're talking,
career, body of work at Michigan State. Just putting that out there
so before everyone starts jumping in the comments and trying to get at your boy,
man, you know, have a social media clip over for sure.
Back here, you guys touched on a little bit. When you talk about
I'm gonna ask here, it comes right here because hey, low, we
gotta get right here. We're trying like you got some great stories, man,
I've been, you know, hanging out with you for a long time,
Like the story can you tell a story about Andre? The practice with
the neck roll? So we're we're coming to precedent. Andre was just bed
up right at this point, you know, not getting not getting the ball
that much. So he was like, oh, I'm just I'm just gonna
be a blocker. I'm just gonna be a blocker, right, So,
uh, we come out with practice and he got old. Uh he got
on gl he got on Glood live and glood. He got a neck brace.
He run out and everybody laughing, right and and and GPC right,
Oh my god, GP lost it. I'm talking about like, I don't
know how many customords he got in that one. And what are you doing?
You're trying to be funny, get yours? Take that, And I'm
talking about he walked the ball. I'm talking about gpcus andre all the way.
He went into locker room and came back with well, you know,
but you know when I when I when I think about when I think about
George, you know, and I look at all the things that he did.
But it's only feeling that he can do that because anytime you gotta you
gotta imagine his job in the pros with the Pittsburgh Stealers. You got you
got White, you got mean Joe green, you got SZ Greenwood, And
you know how you know how you know how it is when we in our
meets and when they're getting on the coach. So what what do you think?
What do you think? How I mean, I would have just gave
anything to just see George in the in one of those meetings like with Pittsburgh,
you know, with a still curtain. Yeah, and you know you
call my personality. Oh my god, that was like I mean because white,
Oh my god. He I mean, he is a character if you
ain't never met him, I mean I'm talking about I mean that guy's I
mean, I just I got when I when I heard and I talked with
him, I said, I would just give any any anytime just to see
him in the meeting with you guys. So but that I guess you know
when you when you when you and the meaning and you you know, you
got those type of guys in your stay with I mean, you can handle
anything, you know, So I respect them, you know, I respect
the things that he did. You know how he handled me, you know,
because I mean it wasn't you know. When I first got there,
he was like, I could start you, like I could start you right
now, he said, But I want to I want to get your feet
wet. I want to get your feet Where you did and everything that you
did, you deserve two stars, but I just want you to get your
feet wet. Because I don't want you to fail, you know, and
that's how he had under me. So with that, with that there,
you know, coming in as a kid, you know, with the mindset
you want to win two heismans, did you take it as you know like
or were you like pissed off about it? No? I mean because once
I mean it's like you gotta understand, you know, when the only person
could put me in the game with GP, so I gotta stand next to
him, right so you I never know when I'm going going in the game.
But once I go in the game, that's it. It ain't no
more throwing. I'm getting the ball every time. So and the crazy part,
and the crazy part was you know in that you know, I kind
of understand. I kind of understood as we went on, you know,
I get in there, and I mean I remember, like the second game,
live second game. I'll never ever forget that. Well, the first
game we go to Colorado, were playing Colorado and I don't do nothing.
I mean, I just get the ball, just run straight, don't do
anything special. So I'm on the plane all the way from Colorado to Michigan,
I'm like cussing and fussing myself out. Oh you sorry, you ain't
do nothing. You got the ball. So I said, Lord, if
you, I promised you, if you, and that chance was the next
week when we played against Notre Dame, I said, everybody gonna know my
name. We get to uh we Now, Colorado was small. I mean
it was like forty some thousand, and then we played we played not to
Dame home, so it was like eighty some thousand, right, So I'm
like, man, it's a lot of people that was like this is nothing.
Wait the next week, man, I came out and I'm talking about
were playing against No. The Dame. And you know how it is when
you play against how we play against No. The Dame, it's I mean,
everybody, we had Coach Buck and man Coach Buck. Coach Coach Buck,
I love him to death. I bean. Coach Buck told us,
I mean one of the linemen came in late because they said they had class.
He said, no, it's no class, it's no class. During
the week we played Michiganday brought up Coach Buck and he talked, that's the
whole line coach at the time, right right, listen, listen. If
I mean like the coach I mean, if you've ever seen birds, Birds,
Meritis and Rocky, that's that's Coach Buck all day. I'm talking about
Hero, that's what he's and I'm talking about you know, I gotta tell
you about the other. Okay, it's another time. Okay, so we
get ready to plug in. Uh Illinois souh go up? He everybody you
ready to play? You ready? You know what? Wow? Yeah,
m that's that stort of good and gets slapped. Yeah, Andre gets slapped
right, and then he just Andre was like everybody looking at what he's gonna
say. I mean, he started crying. Next thing I knew, Andre
just got up. We're all just seats, you know what we want to
I feel like we want to get when he come up. We gotta we
gotta do a lot with you. Gotta do a live with him because like
that's gonna be that's gonna be really lit when he comes out. My gosh,
man, that's tough. Like it was good. That's a good.
Yeah. I know this too. Was you were you there when coach came
he brought him back? No, man, you experienced it. Huh oh
man, we were sitting up there. This is no this might have been
John L. Though because we were in the old it wasn't was it was
seven because we were we well I was there old seven the new facility,
so we have well seven after the like that, Uh what is it eight
springs? So he's gone because because we were in the old meeting room like
where we used to be open up. But yeah, and I remember him
coming up and I kept when he was talking, I could stop staring at
this. This is so bad, but rest the piece coach, but couch
Buck. But he had just those strands of hair over his hair, and
he was like you could tell he was trying to talk like a good coaching
like pregame speech. This is for spring game too, like spring game O
eight And uh, we knew he was a legend, but it was one
of those things when coach he was bringing back history, right, like coming
back and connecting the back. Uh. But to his point, his his
uh, his speech was so high intensity that I was gonna pass out.
Yeah he don't pass out, that he would yeah, ditchers would come out,
I mean do something else. Like he was really really really an intensity.
He was all American as a player, and and uh it was a
great coach, longtime coach in Michigan State. But yeah, that Coach Buck
is definitely a treasure or national treasure that most of them won't get a chance
to see. Uh, but I don't know. We can try to bring
Low on one more time to see if the connection is there. Let's try
one more time. Let's see where we at. There he is you guys
by we hear it. We try to work through the connection. Man,
Well, we're gonna try one more time. Yeah, yeah, I heard,
yeah, I heard what you said about just story about Coach Buck.
But one thing that I really, really really love him. I love about
Coach Buck is that do you know all of those plays? I mean,
like even when after my after my freshman year, he came up with the
two thirty eight tail by draw right, and he was like, we're gonna
do this because Rensey that's what he called me. He said, what Rinsey,
gon what he's gonna do? We don't know where he's going anyway,
so we just let him start one way and he can do what he want
to do. Right. And when he put that, when he put that,
he put that play in and we played against Iowa. Iowa had the
number one, the number one defense in the country, right, that one
play that's one player, and we always ran toss thirty eight, but that
that play, that two thirty two thirty eight draw that went for two hundred
and twenty six yards and it could have been more, you know, But
all he did, all that coach did. He lived in ate football.
You know. I'm passing by the room one day and I can see the
lights was off and I keep hearing the family jet that keep going and stopping
right, So I was like, dang, who in there? So it
was coach Buck. So I walked in there. He was like, he
was like, hey, Renjie, how you doing. I said, I'm
doing. Fire Coach, what's going on? You all right? He said
no, he said, I'm pissed off at the I'm pissed off at the
fore hoole. I said, what's wrong with the four hole? He was
like, he took every one of the plays right, each one of the
plays. He let me know how many yards we got in each one of
the holes, and he said we're not being productive in the four hole?
Like like who does that? Like like come on, like you know I'm
talking about he thee broke it all down? Like how many yards I done?
Got from each one of those holes, right, and he said,
we're not being productive in the fore hoole. I was like, Coach,
well, I mean, oh, like I thought it was fine, you
know, I said, Coach, I mean you're talking about we're on the
road, but almost were on the road at that time. It was like
almost what I had like what like maybe like sixteen hundred yards right, and
we still have more guns a few more games to go. That was yeah,
that was you know, that was yeah. So I mean that's because
they broke up, Like who slap Rising? They want to know Coach Bunk
slapped Rising? He would getting you know that when he slapped Rising. I
mean when he slapped and I just grabbed his face and everybody was like oh
and nobody know what what what response that I was going to have, right
I I do you wipe the everybody ran out and everybody, like I'm talking
about, we ran out that door. I was like, man, everybody
thought he was just going to fight coach. But I was like, oh
no, he said right, Like, but I mean, but it's it's
it's like it I mean, it's just like so many it's like so many
stories because you know, it's like, remember I just told you about the
about the forehole, right, So when we went to practice, so if
you can picture me lining up with a full back there and Coach Buck sitting
like he's right behind the person at the forehole who's at the guard. He's
sitting right there. So coach Pearlers get mad and say, Buck get out
of there. Coach Buck tall. Coach Pearlers tell Buck, Buck get out
of there. He said, don't worry about it, George, I got
to get some production out of this forehole. Coachler cork Pearl saying okay,
okay. So he got he getting mad. So Buck gets mad and go
and slap because uh, I forget who it was jumped outside. So when
he when he slapped him, he cut his fingers. He I mean when
he slapped, he hit it. I'm talking about he swung like I'm talking
about. He swung and hit the helmet like he had on pads, right,
and he cut his hand and it opened up. So because prothers had
walked away and then they was like he was like, get out of there.
I'm talking about he dripping blood. I'm talking about blood running blood hand
right, So but he but he won't leave. He won't he won't get
out of practice. So Sally was like, let me, let me just
put Sally and Jaff was like, let me put some tape around it,
you know, just put some tape on it, right, So so so
Prothers come over there. So Pretherce like, Buck, get out of there.
We're not gonna run another play until you get your hands, until you
get your hands wrapped up, so Sally. So Sally was taking you know
how they got to clean it out, and they gotta clean it all out,
so they were taking their time. She put the armpment on it and
this and that. So of course Buck got made and just grabbed the tape
and just tok the table to start wrapping around his hand right with no balls,
no nothing right cocheray, I don't, I don't believe it. He
said, just go ahead and know what you want to do. Ter minding.
He's taking that white tape right and jes I'm talking about they don'et wipe
it all and they were taking too long to put it on. So he
just grabbed a white table and start he did his whole hand like wrapping out
of the plight. I'm talking about his hand was black as mind because he
had to cut off the circulations right here, and he sa, yeah,
save, save and have Buck come to Alabama all the time. But was
there like man and talked to the talked to the t all the time.
Hey, I wonder how many times Coach Buck slapped in his career? Okay,
so okay, so okay, we're gonna tell you one. That one
wasn't related to football. But it was a football class. You know how
the coaches you had a football class. All the students come in coming to
uh coming to class, right, yeah, yeah, football class, coach
take so oh, Coach Buck came in right, So he got mad,
he said as soon as he walked in, he said, what's going on
in here? He was like, because no football player wasn't in the front.
So he said, no, all the football players go to the front,
right. Hey, hey, all the kids, y'all ship by y'all
ship back. The football need football players need to sit in the front,
right. So John Buddy was sitting in the front, right. So he
was talking about the night that he was colding. He was talking about reactions,
right. So then he slapped John Buddy like he was talking to he
was talking. He was talking to the class and you know in more class,
you know, and more more people that came into the football class because
they want to know about the program in football. So he slapped, uh,
he slapped John Buddy in the front. Right. He was like,
you know, he said, he was just sitting and I said, y'all,
you know your reflexes and all that. He said, he was telling
something about reflexing. He said, you know, and then he slapped.
John said he I'm talking. He slapped and knock this hell. Everybody,
everybody in the class. Everybody in the class. People they were like,
oh my god, that's what he do. The people I'm talking about knowing
people, I mean like the people that was in the class, they were
like, oh my god. They was like scared. They were like,
I'm glad he made us get to the back. Get to the back.
I'm talking about. Man, we could we could, We could talk all
day with about coach Bucket. The day that he do. You know,
old school coaching right right, you did. Somebody talked about playing basketball and
said Andre was I am wes, Oh my god, how many fights you
mean, how many fights we got? Yuse? Because Andre gonna take the
game over. I don't care. I don't care what he does, right,
I don't care what time he goes. I'm talking about he. I
mean he going hard. He I mean he'll kill her he's doing when he
playing basketball. He's serious about that now he and you can't tell him.
You know when when Joe let him play, when he played on the t
Oh my god, that was it. We ain't hit the last of that.
So but you gotta know Andre and Andre ran track, Eddie played basketball.
So I guess tell that's three sports at Michigan State. Yes, So
before if some people wanted not like, you know, your career at Michigan
State, you know, after that, then you got drafted by the Houston
Oilers. What was that feeling like and what was it like, you know
now going to you know, playing in Houston. Mm hmm. Well,
I mean, you know, like I said, you said, goals high.
You know, I'm I'm sitting there on draft day, right, so
I'm like, okay, we go all the way we go down to I
say, well, after after Pittsburgh select and they I think Pittsburgh had the
number ten pick, so they took they took, they took a d n
so I was like, man, I don't know where I'm going now.
I said, well, it's only two places that I know I can go,
and that's what Chicago and or Buffalo. So I know Buffalo really wanted
me bad, and Mike Dicker wasn't gonna pass me up, you know,
playing you know, me playing in the coal, So I know I know
I would go, come on Buffalo. Houston. Houston talk too long to
pick. So Cincinnati jumped over there and talk that they took a defense,
that they took a uh, they took a h what a defensive guy.
So when they talk the defensive guy, then they then they came back and
said the Houston orders has select Lorenzo White. So I'm like everybody yelling and
you know happy, you know, I'm like, man, Houston. I
was like, Houston got like three folk running bikes, right, and I'm
like man, So I was sitting down for a minute. I was like,
man, wait a minute, wait a minute. I said, well,
lord, whatever it is, So I mean, I'm just gonna go
and do what I gotta do, so it ain't no mistake. So I
get there, so I go, I get drafted by there, So I
go there and start playing, and it's different because now they're they're running like
they like split they run a running shoot and the eye. So they got
Mike Rosier A Larzo houtsmith, Spencer Tilma from Oklahoma, Allen pinging for from
Notre Dame, and they got Ray a guy that played full bike at Purdue.
So I get there, so I'm like, well, they must be
not happy with what they, you know, with what they have. So
I get there and I go there and I'm like, man, so I'm
playing and then I'm like okay. So I meet Jerry glam So for the
first time and that was like a trip itself, like you know, meaning
you know Jerry. So I get there and it's like all us playing,
I mean, everybody, you know. So I'm like, man, I'm
practicing hard, I'm doing what I have to do, but I ain't getting
no I ain't getting no player in the game right. So I'm like,
man, I'm like, what's going on? So I was, you know,
I'm a meeting with him. And so the trading deadline come and the
team they had like, well they had me come in early. So I
said, oh, man, I'm traded right, So I get that they
tell me they ain't get me to trade me. Right, So I don't
know what's going on because they don't. I done left home and I'm over
at the facility. So when I get to the facility, they tell me
that. So I said, okay, well they must be gonna play me.
So after that, after the after practice, I talked to my agent
and he was like, yeah, we had you had like three teams acquired
about you, right, but Houston said they didn't get you to trader.
I said, okay, well they must uh play me. So I get
there, so I don't play that much. So then you see, uh,
not not so much in it. So I played a lot of I
played special teams. So you see the one run that I got, like
the one the ninety five yalla, you know the kickoff. So I'm like,
well, they they got they gotta they gotta play me now, you
know. So they don't. So Mike has a Mike Rosere has he has
has a decent year. Yeah, he has a decent year. And so
I'm like, okay, so he hed he held out of he had a
lot of camp. So now I'm come Now I'm mad, you know,
I'm mad, And so I do the same thing I've been doing. I'm
running it. So me and the bike back up quarterback had this little thing.
He was like, lo, listen, I ain't gonna hold the ball.
I'm gonna dump it off to you, right. So now they already
said, okay, well I ain't got no hands because I was like,
listen, I said if I didn't have, I said, I couldn't catch
the ball. And I'm getting the ball at Michigan State. I mean,
come on, man, that'll be like you know, Dray and Dre would
have left for real, you know, and they would have if they would
have thrown me the ball. I was like, man, I mean,
I'm already seventy five percent of the offense and I mean, come on,
you're gonna throw it to me too. So I'm gonna really have a problem.
So I was telling the guy that, the guy that that one of
the writers, and he just bust out Lavin. So I was like,
I say, but I'm serious. I'll say, I don't understand how you
have. I mean, you run the ball well, and the team know
because they they draft you, they know what you do. So we go
on. So now, now me and the bike up quarterback were running thirty,
We're running thirty and second team. So now we're killing the we're killing
the first strained defense. And and it was the only the only like like
two yards pass it if one. So now that's so when I get in
there, so I'm now now they got to play me. So Mike was
still holding out. So now they put me in the game. And next
day, you know, I'm playing. Well, I'm doing you know,
I'm getting a hundred yards. So I'm like, man, I'm like,
okay, I'm good now. So but you know, it's just touch it.
You know. For me, it was just like patience. And you
know when Mom was like, man, you know you're a good player,
so you know what you have to do. So it's just patience. And
that's all she kept telling me. Just how patience it's gonna work out for
you. Yeah, And I told Mama that, I said, that's a
hard thing to do, have patience, you know, you I said hard.
You know, I said, I gotta, I gotta. I got
a big ego. But yeah, so you know, and I tell go
ahead, and I tell kids, I tell kids to this day. You
know one thing about football, you gotta you gotta work hard, and you
got to be your own person, you know. I mean when it comes
to you know, thinking, because people can say a lot a lot of
stuff and then you can take it in and mess up, you know,
you know, it'll mess you up mentally, and then you know, especially
in the pros because I look at that and I was like, man,
I see why people have problems, you know, and you know when they
when they're playing and you just never know the situation, you know. But
I was in a situation, and you know, but like I, like
my mom said, you know, you just have to have that patience.
And so when I talk to people, I say, you know what you
do is you you. You gotta believe in you, because if you don't
believe in you, nobody nobody will, you know. So that's that's how
That's how I took it when I went to Houston whole time and all the
way until. But like I said, I work hard. I work hard.
When I was at Michigan State, I work hard. When I was
with the Oiler. I remember the second year when they was getting ready to
go to they was getting ready to go to the run and shoot full time.
When we got Jake Party, so I went and tell him I actually
be traded because I told the general manager I said, listen, I think
I got more trade value than any anyone in the running backs you got here,
And he said, So I was like, I don't want to be
traded because I don't feel like I can play because you already know you here,
you don't see me play, you don't see me practice, so you
you know I can play. So he was like, okay, well,
if I tell you, I give you a chance to compete for the starting
job. I said, okay, I'm gonna shake your hand, get out
here and go call my mama, tell her, uh, I'm gonna be
starting. So what happened at the end of Yeah, that's what happened.
They got rid of all of They got rid of all the other running backs,
and I was just starting. I mean, like I said, that's
why you know, I tell you know, I can't say games, but
I said, you gotta you gotta have a strong mind. You gotta.
Well, you know, everybody said they want another hour, which is true.
We need that, you know fact that yeah, you know, look,
there was one more question. Some some other people talked about Warren Moon
your time of War and hey with Jefferies, how about those guys with the
oilers. Man, listen, one thing, you know, one thing I
always say, you know, I went playing with one moon, right,
I wonder what would have happened if he would have came straight from college and
played. I don't think nobody would have broke his record still to this day,
Brady or nobody. You gotta understand that man had five great Cups in
Canada, right, Yeah, five great Cups in Canada and still came and
and at the time he was playing, he was in the top five.
So just imagine with Marino and Lway and all those and all those guys playing.
So if here in the top five, what what you think would have
happened if you would have played five years in the NFL? Mm hmm.
So ask what I just always wanted. And and then like you know,
and I love, I loved and I love to run and shoot because it
showed a different different showed a different phase of my game that I can't catch
the ball and I can run the ball. We already knew that, but
when it came down and catching and blocking, you know that's what you had
to do there, You know, you don't touch the ball as much,
you know as I. You know, I used to get mad when when
very barrier during them getting the ball four hundred times and about four hundred some
times, and I'm getting it. I'm getting that two fifty. You know.
Now you know how Javan and I talked so strong straight, I must
be said, I must be set by myself up for that right right into
that one. Look at like this man ran about forty eight times in one
game. Could you imagine if you got that, what was your highest carried?
What was your highest car of game? Uh fifty uh fifty six at
that time, fifty seven would have tied it. But that's the day that
fifty seven, fifty seven would have tied it. But when we were playing
for playing Indiana for the Rose Bowl, everybody rent storing the field. Everybody's
throw in the field. So I couldn't I couldn't even tie. I mean
the referee, everybody knew. The referee looked at me, and I looked
at him. I told him to turn around. I said, look looking
at the end zone. I mean, I'm talking abot people running. I'm
running on the field. I heard you other third throw the ball tore but
you know what, you know, when when you talk about a lot of
carrier, I think, my my, I think the thing that I like
is like when I carried a hundred and two a hundred and two times in
two games, A hundred and two and two games. Oh man, man,
hey man, So I honestly I think he dripped. Is he in
Florida right now? Living in Florida? Right he lives in Florida. Yeah.
Yeah, this storm over there, man, it's raining like it's under
than lightning. Yeah, yeah, you know that's what lightning in the background.
Man, y'all here driving I'll be saying I'm poor, I ain't driving
it. Yeah, hurricane season. Yeah. Look, it's been great man
having you on the show. We got to bring you on a live show
up this year, coming up to a game, right, a live game?
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know I'm gonna be
up. Yeah, I'm gonna be up for the game. I'll be up
for the probably that I'm gonna be up for the Washington State game and probably
maybe one before that. Yeah, all right, show Tuesday maybe could get
you know, man, you know, it's always good talking to my fellow
spartan dogs. So yes, sir, and we can talk to you about
the origin and Spartan dogs and all that stuff too when you get here,
Man, because you got great stories. Really, we really appreciate the time
coming on the show Man again. Congratulations on your induction to the Michigan Sports
Hall of Fame. Love having you on. You know, technical difficulties of
bringing you on and off camera and all this, but hey, we power
through it, are through. Yeah. Thank you to our our subscribers and
our listeners like our family for sticking through through the technical difficulties. But like
you said, it's a live show and then we just roll with the punches.
Man. So we lost we lost two as well, so his connectivity,
Yeah, we deal with it. Sometimes there's a mother nature, you
know, technology doesn't you know, agree with it. That's okay, Hey,
they don't stop the show. You gotta be patient. That's what we
learned today. Patience it's a virtue. And you know, thank all of
you for joining our show today. Do not forget to click that like and
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Thursday at eight o'clock. You know, it was a great show otis you
know, despite the technical difficulties. I think he got a chance for everybody
to get the spirit of low Frenzo White, the Great Lorenzo White, and
what he means to spartan nation as a whole as choot you now rejoins us.
I had to go call Javon when he said he had fifty seven right,
you know, we didn't play that connect to. I had to let
him know that, Hey, thanks for joining back. But you know,
any final words for you, No, man, it was a good show.
You know, it's you know, listening there and it's you know,
always good. And you know we talked about you know, Zoe said's coming
back for Washington game and someffing like that, and you know, we definitely
got to have him on for a live show. I think we can,
you know, go hours with him. But uh, you know, just
appreciate him, you know, jumping on. Uh. But like you said,
stray technical difficulties. We powered through it and appreciate the listeners for being
there and sticking with us through there. It was a lot of fun,
a whole lot of fun. And for Otus, Wiley and Jay, I'm
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