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Kevin's in tonight? Why have many
Danny coincidence? He's not here and Tarik

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Hill's seven million dollar house goes up
in flames today Bill's Malfia strikes again?

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Or is it the opening salvo to
the weekend? Greg No, Danny No?

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Greg No? Danny? Well?
Greg is is Greg's still here?

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He doesn't leave till tomorrow. I'm
pretty sure Greg financed Dandy to get down

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at late that fire. You think
so? Yeah, but he said,

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you know it? Well, tell
me William A Tire paid for your trip.

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Uh, well, I could be. I don't know new Yer's resolution.

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You know what I had this I'm
considering making the change in twenty twenty

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four. I gotta make a change. No, I have to go back

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to anti perspirate. There's a difference
between anti perspirant and deodorant. And I

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for a long time have been hearing
about aluminum and that aluminum in the anti

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perspirint is bad. Same thing.
People call it the wrong stuff. They

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do it all the time. Just
because you're rubbing on does not mean it's

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it's the odoran or anti person.
The odorant basically just masks the odor.

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The aluminum supposedly clogs the pores to
prevent the sweat, which therefore stops the

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bacteria and the smell. So I
must have the other because I still sweat.

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Okay, Well, I switched so
I was using It's so funny to

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see that. No, I still
sweat too through the Yeah there you go.

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Uh yeah, I glow. No. But so I I was using

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like men's dove or whatever, and
I sometimes it's still sweat, but it

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didn't smell bad. It was okay. So for whatever reason back in the

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fall, I thought, you know
what, maybe there's something to this aluminum

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thing. And I had read or
any Again. Now I'm starting to see

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why people say fake news. I
think the term is a little harsh necessarily

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that they lose on every fucking thing. You're absolutely right, Okay, but

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I'm starting to understand it because I
thought I'd read about aluminum being bad for

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and could lead to Alzheimer's later on
that okay, that these are things that

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I'm sort of remembering thinking I read, and I go, you know what,

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I'm gonna try the TV else I
was already I'm gonna sorry, I'm

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gonna try. I'm gonna try some
Toms of Maine. Toms of Maine,

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deodorant, no aluminum, no ilumin, your brother's friend. Yes, shitty

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product. Oh dear, well,
I don't know. I bought shy because

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well, I woke up and I
would smell like Doug Phelps, like dirty

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Martina, nacho cheese. I kid, I kid, but I would get

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up and I would sometimes I would
I could get a whiff of boh,

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like I could like, I don't
man, funk, I don't often get

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my own whiff. My wife would
be like, dude, go put some

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deodor on or something. Really okay, your wife says it to you.

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I mean it's also said to the
kids, like kids, no, no,

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no, no, no, no, no, no, I get

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I never really get my own,
all right. So I so I bought,

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so I bought the one Toms and
I go and I think I had

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heard remember we were doing the games
podcast in here. Now I'll just say

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this, and I don't mean it
in any way. You can take it

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anyway you want. But when a
gay guy gives you advice, I fucking

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think they're usually spot on with everything. They're on with fashion, they're on

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with style, they know stuff,
house apes like me don't know. And

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this guy just out of nowhere proclaimed
Tom's of Maine. To forget that Tom

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shit. But they were talking about
the aluminum too, So I went and

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bought a second ton, so like
Tom, I don't. Yeah, all

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right, irony, all right,
But so I buy two and I kept

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one in here. So if I
ever felt a little, if you ever

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got a walk not so fresh,
I double stick. Well. Then one

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day I'm at boxing and I go, God damn, and I'm like,

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holy shit, I think that's me, Like yeah, and I go and

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there's and there's a lot of women
in the class stuff. And not that

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I'm no, no, inappropriate,
but you just don't want to be offensive

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in any way do you understand what
I'm saying. You don't want to walk

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away like smells like, oh,
I'm not going back. He's not doing

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shit. You got in there holding
mint and he smells like, ah,

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you got it. And by the
way, holding mits can become a lot,

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right, But I'm sure they're doing
a hell of a lot more than

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you are, a hell of a
lot more. You are absolutely correct on

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that, and you shouldn't smell like, yeah, it's based on what they're

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doing. So I threw the extra
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studio in my boxing bag one night
and I ran out to boxing and I've

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never brought it back. So I'm
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mom's. It's just me and my
mom. She had the hip surgery.

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I have the pleasure of helping her
on with her OsO sexy compression stockings.

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Okay, so she sits in a
chair. You gotta put a bag over

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her foot and then slide the compression
stock over the bag and then help them

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get up to a certain point and
then she will pull them up. The

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rest of It's very It's a little
more intimate than you may want to be

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with your mom. No no big
deal, right, But here's the thing.

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I'm so she's in a chair,
I'm bent down, and she had

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already showered and everything, and she
says to me, ooh, did you

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shower? And I kind of look
up surprised, and I'm going, why

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would you ask that question when my
hair is pointing in ninety different directions?

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Maybe it is now as well,
I don't know, And I said no,

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I didn't, and she said oh, And I said, why do

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I stink? No? No,
no, no, You're fine, And

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I went off. Fuck. So
now I go, fuck this, I'm

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going back to aluminum. So today
I did a little research and I found

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Healthline Online says some proponents of aluminum
free products claim that aluminum prevents you from

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sweating out toxins that could potentially cause
cancer, something I had not heard before.

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But cancers toxins aren't removed from the
body through the lymphoids which are under

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your armpits. The kidneys and liver
help remove the toxins. I probably aren't

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to destroyed both of those with other
things, which, by the way,

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did I not see a Good Morning
America today? Even just a little bit

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of alcohol can lead to cancer,
and one lady goes, well, I'm

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done. I'm not drinking anymore.
I'm bead three times over. And if

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one guy goes, which kind of
cancer? Though you're getting old like aesophageal

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because you probably get acid reflected I
didn't get his coats. Let's think it

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coats so it help remove the talks, prouty and eventually expelled through the urine

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pieces. Deoderant is designed to only
curb body older, while anti person meant

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to limit sweat. There are two
main health issues usually cited when talking about

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aluminum and anti person Alzheimer's disease,
which I had heard, and breast cancer,

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which men can get rare but men
can get it. This is from

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a study in the sixties and seventies. Was identified as a possible suspect in

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Alzheimer's suspission, led to concern about
exposure. Here's what they did. I

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believe they did another research in eighty
five that examined the link between aluminum and

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Alzheimer's. Now I should not laugh
at this, and I hope you don't

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either, but you might see if
you follow this. Researchers found that Alzheimer's

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patients had high levels of aluminum in
their brains. There have been a number

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of studies since then. At least
one done in nineteen ninety did suggest a

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link. Researchers tracked aluminum exposure of
one hundred and thirty Alzheimer's patients, but

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the study has been discredited because it
relied on other people to provide data for

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the patients. Yes, but they
also the government also can't read their mind,

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and the aliens can't get in because
but do you understand what I'm saying,

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Like, because they have Alzheimer's,
we got to rely on you have

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Alzheimer's on Bill's using that pit stake, Yes, so they had to throw

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it out. I go, wow, I guess that makes sense. So

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that I knew more than the breast
cancer thing. And so now I'm thinking

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I got to go back to my
aluminum loaded anti antidepressant, anti birth friend

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maybe too, because I'm using Tom's
main and that whole Christmas morning scene and

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like, well, you have you
have kids, so you you've you've gone

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through that age with the kids.
Okay, with the axe pray I have,

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Oh god, you want you know
the direction, say one spray now

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and they spray for thirty five minutes. This SMEs like a whorehouse. I

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think forty minutes. I think every
generation has something, because when I was

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a kid, it was Dracar Noir. Now I don't know when you're about

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ten years younger than me, so
what was it for you? Was it

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the same? Might have been like
Jupe or something like that. Oh Jupe,

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yeah yeah, but drakarm not it. I don't think as offensive.

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His axe axe was a cloud.
Like I remember my hole upstairs. Yeah,

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one kid can do in his room
clos poo forehouse. Yeah, it

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was like boom, I go what
is going on? Twice? And I

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remember Jordan going to a party ones
and he had a giant can of acts

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he stuffed in his bed in his
pocket of it like these baggy sweats,

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like they tapered sweats. I'm gonna
forget to teach them how this stuff at

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the right spot. So I go, buddy, why do you what do

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you have in your pants? And
he goes in case I talked to a

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girl, get sweaty, and I'm
thinking, no, no, I didn't

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know what to say. I went, oh, okay, good plan.

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I just like I'm going no,
no, no, no, no,

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no no no. However whatever uh
that stuff is. That stuff is awful.

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Now can you tell someone like a
friend if they have boh, why

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can't you? I don't, I
don't know. I mean they may not

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believe you. But would you like
if I told you, dude, you're

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little, you'd be like, I
don't know with you. Do you think

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you would believe me? Or do
you think you It depends if you and

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I like it depends on how you
did it. If you came over and

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we probably go, hey man,
listen, I caught a little whiffy.

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You talked about that. Tomson met
and you might want to double dab in

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that. I think in here you
probably would be like, he's fucking with

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me? Yeah, and we over
like iron smoke, yes, and I

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said it. Yes, he'd be
like, oh yeah, because I believe

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me. M because I said to
my son. So I told my sons

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that they were they've stunk in the
past, but then like case they stick

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all the time. Well, I've
told like some of them, I've told

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them, hey man, you might
want to trim some nose there here.

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Well, Tyler's new thing now is
he has a shower after hockey. Yeah,

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So it's like now it's like we
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Oh oh, so it's it's now
instead of being thirty minutes after practice of

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the game to go home, now
it's you know, fifty minutes, and

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it's him running around the locker room
with you know, nine guys balls,

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hanging out, showering, and I'm
like, dude, I got shit to

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do. So I looked up how
to help a friend who has body oder.

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I want you to picture this stuff. I went on the internet.

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They have tips for everything, right, it's all right there. There's nothing

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in the world you can't learn to
do anymore YouTube. I believe Apple has

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their university, right Apple University.
You can learn pretty much anything for free.

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There's even the masterclass, and they
were doing two for one, but

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that's that'll pay. But I think
for free you can find a lot of

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stuff. So this says, have
the conversation in private. If someone stinks,

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all right, focus on your friendship
and your concerned for his success,

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not the problem. I don't know
why they used to pronoun his, but

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apparently I would think that men probably
stink more than women. Listen to what

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he has to say after and offer
suggestions. If you can't assure him the

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conversation will remain confidential, like you
would say this. They give you an

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example, ready, Hey Kevin,
I really care about our working relationship and

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your success. And I've noticed that
you have bad body odor and actually your

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breast spells as well. Who wrote
this? Hr, I don't know,

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that's what I'm saying. Nobody talks
that way, do they know? Or

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if you're telling a friend, you
could tell him, hey, Kevin,

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I'm never talking to a friend like
that because I'm gonna get punched in the

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face. I care about you a
lot, and I enjoy spending time with

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you. I've noticed that you recently
had some bad boh man, and I

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just wanted to take this chance to
chat with you about it. This is

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fd thing you were fucking with me. Yes, of course, you're just

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like bro. Yeah. See if
I went like ghost threats. Yeah,

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but see now it has to be
in the person's language like my language would

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be. Hey, man, I
got a little de owner to the sink.

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He may want to use it.
What And then you may go somewhere

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privately and smell to make sure I'm
not lying. And if you go god

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damn, then you know I'm not
right or just hit it with some soap

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and water. Now this is from
the Science of people dot com. There's

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even more. I got so intrigued
in how to tell people they stink by

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the internet. After telling your colleague
they smell, let them know that you're

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being up your Why you're bringing up
a firm that is because you care about

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them. Hey Kevin, we work
so closely together, and I don't want

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this to impact you negatively or affect
people wanting to work with you. I

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know this is awkward, but I
wanted to let you know privately you fucking

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stink like an ape. Say I
couldn't have this conversation, and now that

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you've brought it up, I don't
think I can have this conversation with you.

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Why because you and I have that
dynamic where we're just it's a set.

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It's always a set. If speaking
with a friend, you might say,

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hey Kevin, I don't want to
hinder you from making friends, or

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dating or finding your dream job.
I want I want what's best for you,

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my friend, and right now you
ain't there. It's called speedsteaking for

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you. Now, how to help? I mean the Science of people dot

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com. This is a real site. They give you a pro tip in

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there. You ready for their prote
pro tip. Our brains love compliments.

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This is why you always had the
formula, like like if you're gonna,

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if you needed to criticize, like
if leaders need to criticize an underling in

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some way, it should be compliment. I love that color blue on you,

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but fuck you, put some deodorant
on you. Know your hair looks

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really good today. Did you get
a haircut? You might want to start

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brushing your fucking teeth tomorrow. See
for me, if you stunk, i'd

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probably have to say something when you
go to the bathroom. But god damn

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Dan, yes and make him tell
you. Oh yeah, Now I went

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up now stiffing myself all the time. Thanks at Toms and I bought.

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I wanted to experiment with this non
aluminum which I didn't know. I will

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tell you I did not know the
difference between anti persmon and deodorant. I

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didn't know that. I just looked
up what I used. It's Mine's called

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deodorant. Okay. I use the
cheap, the speedstick stuff. It works

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the best. Now used to fucking
burn, now it works the best.

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Well, I don't do I stink. I've never known. There you go.

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I'm not nestling up to you seven
cents. Maybe let's go some other

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one that was not aluminum. I
think it's called Native or something, and

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I was going to try that next
to see you're you're going too deep.

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You got to go with the tried
and true. Well, I know,

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I like the men's dove. I
would buy to BJ's in the big pack.

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I have it forever. Set didn't
have to. Now you got to

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research the other protipt for for the
for the gentleman. How do you tell

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a woman, no, no,
no, no, this is the same.

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They're saying, it's the same.
This is gender neutral. Honey,

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your eyes are blue, but of
stinks like a sounto itch. Your eyes

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are blue, but your vagina s
feels like pooh. I don't know.

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I don't know. Now, uh, when possible incorporate a genuine compliment as

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part of your why Kevin, when
you're gonna do this? For example?

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And that's right, you were full
of shit. I don't want your bad

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breath to get in the way of
your professional opportunities. You know, I

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enjoy working with you, and you
know what, I know others do as

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well. You're funny but we just
have to come back when you come out

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with your If they don't know what
to do about their smell. Here are

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a few questions to ask impossible solutions. So you could go, let's say,

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like I go, hey Kevin own
soap. Hey Kevin. You can

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say, ah, man, yeah, you know, my washing machine has

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been broken. How often do you
wash your clothes? You can use my

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washing machine. They suggest you can
research and find a laundry mat. Here's

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a roller corners, go to the
laundromat. Can I recommend my favorite laundry

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products? How offensive would it be
if somebody walked up to you and said,

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you know, I think you would
really like tied tie pods. They're

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fantastic. You should really try them. Wouldn't you be offended or wonder what

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the fuck was going on? Like
that's more offensive to me a little bit,

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because then I could be the deck
and be like, yeah, well,

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unfortunately I can't use those because I
have skill. Hey Kevin, what's

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your uh? What's your personal hygiene
routine? I roll around in the shit

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in the backyard and can I get
you started with a basket of my favorite

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personal care items? So so I
find taking a daily shower helps me smell

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fresh, Kevin, I can't imagine
it, says here. Remember to wait

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to offer a solution until the person
has told you what they think the problem

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is. For example, if they
say I shower twice a week, you

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could respond. I find taking a
daily shower helps me smelling fresh. Some

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people say, you're not supposed to
shower every day, A lot of people,

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a lot of I have to.
Yeah, I can't move if I

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don't. Now, we are taping
this episode on January third, which is

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National Humiliation Day. Not to humiliate
other people. That's not what it means.

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That got more research. No,
no, no, no, it's

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to relinquish our pride and become humble
before a higher power or other people.

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So you know, I'm trying to
humble myself, you know. Now,

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let me ask you this, if
somebody, if you found out somebody stunk

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like we had. I've had.
I've been I've been a bad person,

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I think now that I look at
this stuff. There was somebody I really

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liked in college and I had gone
out once or twice, and her breath

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on one date was just like I
couldn't. I couldn't, I couldn't,

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and it wasn't like food related.
It was like something was rotten, and

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I was just that's it. And
then I think she needed a ride from

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the airport and had called me and
I fell a sick. Yeah, yeah,

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you knew that story. That And
then there's been other odors that I've

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come across that I would never say
anything about. But I was like,

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oh no, how do you cross
that bridge? Though I don't, you

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just don't go, I don't and
that and that, and I think that

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that's a very weak way now to
do it, because you may say,

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hey, listen, I really like
it and I don't want to embarrass you

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if it was a chick, and
I wonder if this would work in all

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honesty, like I really do like
you and I really love hanging out with

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you. But I got to tell
you there are times where your breath could

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knock the buzzard off a fucking dead
beagle. No, or just something I

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mean or even then yeah, well
that I don't. Yeah, that's when

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I think you come across more often
than bath with a girl is the down

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smelling bad? I don't know.
I don't know that I ever did.

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I knew people who had Oh well, I know a guy who's a drug

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wrap for the drug that keeps that
clean. Yes. Well, look,

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I don't know anything about it.
I don't have one in terms of like

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cleaning and stuff. I'm starting to
you've been around him in the past.

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You've been around did you just not
go back? I asked somebody to open

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a window once. Really, yeah, and then I just got wider.

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I didn't know. But I mean
if, okay, so if somebody had

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a secret like that, if somebody, if somebody stunk, are you gonna

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tell somebody when somebody says to you, Hey, I gotta tell you this,

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but please don't tell anybody else.
What are the chances you at least

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tell your wife fifty to fifty Yeah, I think okay, And I would

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say it's way higher for other people. I think it's more like seventy twenty.

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Well that's only ninety tendecided, No, ten percent to the mistress.

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Yeah, that's what I was thinking, And I go, I don't know

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anybody. I don't think humans are
capable, truly capable of keeping a secret.

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I think somebody else always knows something. See. I'm more of the

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person that's gonna not tell somebody that
they stink. I'm gonna tell somebody else,

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Yes, like I'm gonna tell Danny
that you stink behind the back.

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Yes, well we've done that.
We had a boss and when none of

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us could tell the guy he had
really really bad breath. Handsome guy would

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get close to you to talk and
you'd see people's head snap back. Nobody

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said anything, but it was it
was. It was rancid. It was

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literally like he ate a can of
ship in the morning and it just rotted

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in his throat like it's pure.
Like if you've ever been around like we

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we can all tell a fart and
that's nothing but like raw. He was

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the traffic guy that had some god
damn yeah, and he got that guy

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is He was the nicest guy in
the world. There's an old sports anchor.

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This guy nastiness too. He was
a bit of a blowhard, but

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he uh, he sucked on a
lot of mints and things, and even

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that sometimes even the mints are just
fuck. White flag, White Flag.

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I can't do it all right,
Well, anyway, I think I'm gonna

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go back to the here. It
will be my other question to try the

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cheap speedstack. Give it, give
it a world. Na Gillette I've done.

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And I don't know why. I
think it got to get the gel,

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not the one that you turn it. But it doesn't. It's it's

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it's the whole ball. Yeah,
yeah, the gel. I thought that

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one for some reason, I thought
that was a little sensitive. Uh all

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right, speaking of secrets though,
And we're gonna have a guest in here

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shortly. I can't wait for this. Have you ever planned a secret with

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someone just to see if they would
tell? Oh? Yeah, yeah,

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yeah. There are certain people in
my life who I love, truly love.

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They may be family members that I
will say things and some and some

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one person says nothing, and one
person I can always count on. Just

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lit it just steeps out. I
don't tell. I don't tell my wife

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a thing because she does not keep
a secret. Oh if I want to

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do something fun with the boys on
like a Saturday, Yeah yeah, oh

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boy, the boys go karting.
Yeah. Two days later we're gonna go

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karting. Really all right, we
will Uh well, we'll take a moment.

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Yesterday we talked to a young man
who's a reporter, and I found

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him very impressive. Jeffrey Rogers GSL
News and Jeffrey's supposedly gonna come in here,

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so we'll see if he shows up. There's a lot of questions for

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him. People had a lot of
comments on the different videos that I had

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posted on social media about him,
and I think you heard some other things

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as well. Now, he and
I did talk about some of the things

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that people brought up on social media, and I'm not gonna say what they

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are now. You'll have to come
back for the next segment to find out.

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And because he answered them to me, he actually brought them up,

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and I have a response to it. But we'll see what he says and

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we'll see what else he finds out
if he doesn't show in time for us

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to start the next segment. When
shit talking goes too far, we'll get

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Faint Dodson's I heard the song today
and I go, man, I always

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love this by Elvis Costello watching the
Detectives. The video I think was like

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the old black and white movies when
they uh when they showed up. It's

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got that reggae vibe to it.
Yeah. I always like the Elvis Costello.

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So a comment yesterday that I believe
was intended to be what we'll call

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on this show because we can shit
talking exploded. Oh just went absolutely insane.

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And it was this comment from a
A. Ron Rogers on the Pat

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McAfee show, Bring It Up,
Bring It Fox on It super Bowl.

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Let me let me start again.
What they're talking about in the beginning is

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and this has been around for a
little while. The logo, the emblem

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for the Super Bowl is already out
and the color they think match the Ravens

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and the forty nine ers, and
they believe if those two teams are in

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the super Bowl, then what's going
on? There's this conspiracy. Yeah,

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for the past couple of years,
the logo comes out well before the Super

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Bowl, but the colors that they
use become the colors of the two teams

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in the super Bowl. But at
that point we don't know who's playing in

406
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:25,119
the super Bowl except for fifty because
it was just gold, right, So

407
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,319
this is so, this is what
they're talking about on the Pat McAfee show

408
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:34,400
with Aaron Rodgers. Whoops, somebody
seats on it. You have super Bowl

409
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,440
fifty eight, you'll see it the
emblem, put it on the screen and

410
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,839
then bring it fifty seven and fifty
six has something to do with the Epstein

411
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:47,359
list that came out, supposed to
be coming, that's supposed to be coming

412
00:29:47,359 --> 00:29:52,200
out. Waiting wine selling. I've
been waiting my wine cellar for a lot

413
00:29:52,240 --> 00:30:00,200
of people, including Jimmy Kimmel,
are really hoping that doesn't all right.

414
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,480
Obviously, A clip from this particular
program was run on Jimmy Kimmel's show whenever

415
00:30:04,519 --> 00:30:08,839
Aaron brought up the list, and
then Jimmy marked them for it, and

416
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,559
Aaron has not forgotten about that.
But here we are, all right,

417
00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:15,319
So I think it was just a
little jab back. That's how I intended.

418
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,480
Jimmy Kimmel went on Twitter and wrote, dear ahole, For the record,

419
00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:22,599
I have not met, flown with, visited, or had any contact

420
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,559
whatsoever with Epstein. Nor will you
find my name on any quote unquote list

421
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:32,079
other than the clearly phony nonsense that
soft brain wackos like yourself can't seem to

422
00:30:32,119 --> 00:30:36,640
distinguish from reality. Your reckless words
put my family in danger. Keep it

423
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:41,559
up and we will debate the facts
further in court. I guess ESPN's stepped

424
00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:45,000
in now and is having issues with
it too. Well, it's at ESPN,

425
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,319
ABC, ABC, so they're coming
down on McAfee. Okay, let

426
00:30:49,319 --> 00:30:53,279
it go right, So okay,
okay, Well I didn't know that.

427
00:30:53,359 --> 00:30:59,319
I did not know that. So
let me play you the what Pat McAfee

428
00:30:59,359 --> 00:31:03,680
was referring to with Jimmy Kimmel.
This is Jimmy Kimmel on his show,

429
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:10,680
and this is what he said that
I guess elicited the response from Aaron rodd

430
00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:14,000
Needless to say, all this UFO
talk has the tinfoil hatters going wild,

431
00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:18,839
including Green Bay whack packer Aaron Rodgers, who offered this hot take on the

432
00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:22,359
Pat McAfee show. I believe that
this has been going on for a long

433
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:29,279
time. Interesting timing on everything.
There's a lot of other things going on

434
00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:33,160
in the world. Did you hear
about the Epstein client list about to be

435
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,000
released too? What's that? What
are you talking about? There's some files

436
00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:47,000
that have some names that might be
getting released pretty soon. Oh, I'd

437
00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:52,200
be trying to revisit that concussion protocol
Aaron. Now, it's funny, but

438
00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:56,279
Aaron took offense to that. And
it's not the first time Kimmel has ever

439
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,839
time to taking a shot at Aaron
Rodgers. Now, Aaron has been I

440
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,400
guess would fall on one side of
the COVID vaccine and Jimmy Kimmel is clearly

441
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,599
on the other side. And this
is what he had said a while back

442
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:12,839
on his show. Green Bay Packers
quarterback Aaron Rodgers is in quarantine right now.

443
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,920
A Rodge tested positive yesterday for COVID
and will miss Sunday's game against the

444
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:22,240
Chiefs. He'll be watching it from
my home. And no one seems to

445
00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:27,400
know that he wasn't vaccinated. He
hasn't been wearing a mask even where it's

446
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,039
required, and at one point he
claimed he was immunized, but looking back

447
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,680
when he said it, it should
have been obvious that he was not.

448
00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:38,000
Aaron he said he'd like to learn
as many things as you can to hang

449
00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:44,319
in any conversation. Are you vaccinated
in what your stance on vaccinations? Yeah,

450
00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:50,200
I'm been immunized. Yeah you see. Did you notice the Eric quotes?

451
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,079
That's how you know. We now
know he is not vaccinated because unvaccinated

452
00:32:53,079 --> 00:32:58,200
players who test positive have to isolate
for ten days. Had he been vaccinated,

453
00:32:58,519 --> 00:33:00,960
he would have had a chance to
play this weekend. Aaron Rodgers reportedly

454
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:06,519
received a homeopathic treatment over the summer
instead of the vaccine. You know,

455
00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:10,000
we shouldn't know, because nothing says
I heal myself with crystals like this haircut.

456
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:16,000
I mean back when he had the
butt on top. Aaron is a

457
00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:21,119
Karen. That's the fact of the
matter. Honestly, the only thing worse

458
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:27,039
then, the only worst of not
getting vaccinated when you're in close contact with

459
00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:30,960
other people is letting them think you're
vaccinated when you're not. It's basically the

460
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:37,200
COVID equivalent of the condom fell off. It's all right, So now look,

461
00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:40,000
I don't know. I guess you
could argue that Jimmy was making jokes

462
00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:45,759
about facts with Aaron, and Aaron
took a reckless shot at Jimmy saying you're

463
00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:50,480
on this list and the list.
I don't know, it's it's a big

464
00:33:50,519 --> 00:33:52,319
deal. I don't know it's supposed
to come out today. I thought I

465
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:58,359
earlier was supposed to come out.
Well, I think they say they could

466
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,680
be released today. I think it
was like December eighteenth. He had fourteen

467
00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:07,319
days to appeal and by a certain
time and I think it was three o'clock

468
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:12,880
Eastern time, and nobody appealed.
So therefore the names with some names redacted

469
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,480
by the way coming out. But
here's what Pat McAfee said on his show

470
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:20,679
today, and I would say that
I think he's right in that shit talking

471
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:22,440
went to it is a fantastic day. We can't thank you enough for joining

472
00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:28,400
us here on this Glorious Trenches Wednesday, which one include JJ whyat in the

473
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,239
second hour. Not sure there'll be
any threatened lawsuits with that one coming today

474
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:37,639
from JJ Watt's conversation, But never
never know, might have a bone to

475
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:43,719
pick. You never know, which
is the thing. Stuff. Whenever you're

476
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,519
free wheeling and dealing in here,
you know and you have heard conversations,

477
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:52,920
they can certainly lead to some places
that cause like international news and things like

478
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:57,760
that. And whenever there's accusations made
about people, that can lead the lawsuits.

479
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,239
Now, let's have been in one
before with Brett Favre. Now how'd

480
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,000
that case end? Well, it
ended with me having to read a letter

481
00:35:05,679 --> 00:35:10,719
basically stating that I know nothing,
uh that anybody else doesn't know publicly already,

482
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,239
that I'm not in the know for
that whole thing. And then that

483
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,679
was kind of disappeared. But that
was a big thing for a long time.

484
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,280
How did that come? Well,
we just started making jokes about stuff,

485
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,199
We started talking shit about stuff,
and then our show. I think

486
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,559
that is a good part of what
we do is we're able to kind of

487
00:35:25,639 --> 00:35:29,760
just roll with the punches. We're
able to have a good time. We're

488
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:34,960
all rather invested and studied in what's
happening around the sports world at all times.

489
00:35:35,039 --> 00:35:39,639
Caitlin Clark last night, all about
Lukeler today. So we are very

490
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,480
much in that world. So everybody
that comes on the stage has to be

491
00:35:43,519 --> 00:35:46,280
able to like basically keep up with
where we're headed. There's no form there's

492
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:51,519
no formal outline of what how we're
doing. There's no a bloc, D

493
00:35:51,519 --> 00:35:54,000
blocks, C block, there's no
scheduled conversations, there's no scheduled debates.

494
00:35:54,119 --> 00:35:57,599
There's no topics for you to think
about before you get in there. There

495
00:35:57,639 --> 00:36:00,480
is just an opportunity to talk about
damn near everything for three and a half

496
00:36:00,559 --> 00:36:04,639
hours, and in doing so,
the upside of that is some magic inncome

497
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,760
that you never knew was gonna come. Good times cause we had laugh we

498
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,159
had especially when you're rolling on like
two hours of sleep like we were yesterday

499
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,960
after the Rose Bull, he can
have a BLUs and on a flip side,

500
00:36:14,039 --> 00:36:16,360
there could be some things that were
certainly probably I mean, we're gonna

501
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,719
have to hear from Aaron on that
meant to be shit talk joke that can

502
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,679
then become something that is obviously a
very serious allegation that then leads to a

503
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:30,280
massive overnight story, one in which
one put baby Don's sleep, I haven't

504
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,960
seen her while, and then I
pick up my phone. Oh boy,

505
00:36:34,519 --> 00:36:37,280
but I can see exactly why Jimmy
Kimble felt the way he felt, especially

506
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:38,880
with his position. But I think
Aaron was just trying to talk shit.

507
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:44,480
Now did it go too far?
And a lot of people Jimmy Kimble certainly

508
00:36:44,559 --> 00:36:47,079
said that was the case. We
and I immediately pawted happening to be like,

509
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:52,000
you know, but that is Aaron
and Jimmy. They've been jouted a

510
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,880
bit. I don't know, you
know, so like we obviously don't like

511
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,119
the fact that we're associated with anything
negative. Ever, we like our show

512
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:00,559
to be an uplifting on, a
happy one, a fun one. But

513
00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:05,119
it's because we talk shit and try
to make light of everything some things obviously

514
00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:07,280
people get very pissed off about,
especially when they're that's serious allegations. So

515
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,800
we apologize for being a part of
it. Can't wait to hear what Eron

516
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,840
has to say about it. Hopefully
those two will just be able to settle

517
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,039
this, you know, knockport wise, but be able to chitchat move along

518
00:37:16,119 --> 00:37:20,199
because remember, there you go,
I mean, you can disagree and on

519
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,440
and on. He gives a great
example of he came from a soccer world,

520
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:28,119
and you drop yourself into a football
locker room, and it's very different,

521
00:37:28,199 --> 00:37:30,960
especially in college, because you've got
some kid who grew up with millions

522
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,039
of dollars, some kid who came
from Compton, some kid who is would

523
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:37,400
be referred to as trash from Virginia, and everybody's coming from a different opinion.

524
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:42,639
It was kind of his thought.
But this Epstein thing is somewhat interesting

525
00:37:42,639 --> 00:37:45,559
today. And I don't know if
it's a big deal or it's not a

526
00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:49,159
big deal, because all it is, I believe is flight locks. It's

527
00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:52,840
people who have flown with him.
I don't know that it's going to be

528
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:57,559
able to link anybody to underage sex. The one person that was was Prince

529
00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:00,280
Andrew, who I believe has been
stripped of some of his titles. They

530
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:05,440
think he's still the Dutch of York. But I don't know anything else.

531
00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:08,159
But this is a Fox News report, they might explain a little bit of

532
00:38:08,159 --> 00:38:13,199
it. Jeffrey Epstein may have been
a notorious sex offender, but he was

533
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:17,719
also accepted into the highest levels of
the nation's financial and political circles. And

534
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:22,239
now we will likely get a new
peak inside his world. The identities more

535
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:27,679
than one hundred and seventy people expected
to be revealed after a New York federal

536
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:32,320
judge ruled there was no legal justification
to still keep the names of Epstein's friends

537
00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:39,079
a secret. ABC News reports former
President Bill Clinton has mentioned fifty times previously

538
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:44,960
as John Doe number thirty six.
Here you see him shaking hands with Epstein

539
00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:50,440
along with Epstein's sometimes girlfriend Gilay Maxwell. See Now, just because of that

540
00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:54,719
doesn't mean he went and did anything. And that's the part is. I

541
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,559
think people are waiting for this list
to come out, and there's supposed to

542
00:38:58,559 --> 00:39:00,960
be one hundred and fifty plus names
in the world. Apparently the list came

543
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:05,239
out about twenty minutes ago, and
people are news sources are reviewing the documents,

544
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,679
but nothing's actually nothing out, Yeah, because nobody wants that. I

545
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:13,320
don't think anybody wants to jump on
this necessarily to release it like from the

546
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,719
news, because I think you could
open yourself up right potentially the Liwy Wow

547
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,559
in nineteen ninety three. There is
no indication the sealed records contain evidence of

548
00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:27,679
illegal conduct by Clinton. Right the
court filings will be released as part of

549
00:39:27,679 --> 00:39:32,239
a settled civil lawsuit from one of
Epstein's accusers, Virginia Gffray. Gouffrey says

550
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:37,000
she was sex trafficked by Epstein at
Maxwell starting when she was sixteen years old.

551
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:42,599
She claims she was forced to have
sex with Prince Andrew and sued him.

552
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,079
He denied it, and the case
was settled out of court. Reports

553
00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:50,599
also show all flight logs named Clinton, as well as former President Donald Trump

554
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,159
and a host of other top business
and political names as passengers who flew in

555
00:39:54,199 --> 00:40:00,920
Epstein's private jets. There was no
indication they did anything wrong. You may

556
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,079
also recall that Epstein was found all
right, so do we here my question?

557
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,800
There is a saying where there's smoke, there's fire, right, And

558
00:40:10,599 --> 00:40:14,880
I did read something in the New
York Post, But again it could be

559
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:22,760
somebody talking. You have nothing to
back it up. But Jeffrey Epstein had

560
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:29,800
told his brother, his younger brother, that he had enough information or had

561
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:37,159
information excuse me, on Donald Trump
and the Clintons so incendiary it could have

562
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:42,119
upended the twenty sixteen presidential election if
made public. Here's the direct quote he

563
00:40:42,159 --> 00:40:45,159
said, if I said what I
know about both candidates, they'd have to

564
00:40:45,199 --> 00:40:49,480
cancel the election. That's what Jeffrey
told me. In twenty sixteen, Mark

565
00:40:49,519 --> 00:40:52,960
Epstein told that to The New York
Post, recalling a conversation he had with

566
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:58,960
his brother about the showdown between Trump
and Hillary Clinton. And but he wouldn't

567
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,360
elaborate. His brother never revealed to
him exactly what he knew about the then

568
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:07,559
presidential hopefuls. And so you go, okay, is that somebody who's just

569
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,599
making it up, well, just
wants to make themselves feel powerful. I

570
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:20,039
don't know, I don't know.
It's it's it's an odd situation because,

571
00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:23,400
like you said, you can you
can see Bob Smith's name on the list.

572
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:28,239
But did Bob Smith do anything?
Bob Smith just go this island.

573
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,760
But well, see that's the thing. And if you visited the I don't

574
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:35,159
look. I'll tell you this,
I wouldn't want my name. That would

575
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,000
be shipping in my fants. It's
like from baseball. Well, yeah,

576
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:43,960
it's gonna show up right. Let
me just see the Bill Clinton we know

577
00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:49,760
is on there. Yeah. There
was a defamation suit against Maxwell was settled

578
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,679
in twenty seventeen, but the Miami
Herald newspaper filed emotion for all these records

579
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:59,280
to be unsealed for public view,
and I was trying to see. We

580
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:05,000
know the Clinton's are Layton, Donald
Trump, Andrews. Yeah, we know

581
00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:07,960
that. Bill Gates met with Epstein
several times in the beginning of twenty eleven.

582
00:42:09,679 --> 00:42:13,760
He has said in interviews that he
regrets having had dinners with Epstein's to

583
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:20,000
discuss philanthropy efforts. Prince Andrew reached
an undisclosed settlement with the woman that was

584
00:42:20,039 --> 00:42:23,280
referred to in the news clip,
Gouffrey, who accused him of forcing her

585
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,079
to perform sex acts when she was
under age. Andrew, the Duke of

586
00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:30,840
York, denied the allegations, but
he was stripped of his military titles and

587
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:36,960
can no longer use his Royal highness
in any official capacity. Oh hurt me,

588
00:42:37,159 --> 00:42:42,239
excuse me? I don't know.
Now here's where it's people that have

589
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,960
a lot of money, But I
don't think most people in the public know

590
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,360
who they are. Leon Black do
you know who? Liam Okay, co

591
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:52,719
founder of private equity company Apollo Global
Management, has denied allegations in court documents

592
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:59,800
of raping underage girls at Epstein's New
York home. So they're expecting to see

593
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,360
him. Now, if there's an
allegation and then the guy ends up on

594
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:09,199
the list, does that Does that
make you more curious? You know what

595
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:14,880
I mean? Here's the thing is
like when it when when there's more to

596
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:19,079
it and more people are coming out
with stuff, that's when I think you

597
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:22,639
start to see right now, Paula
Abdul went after Nile Lithgown. I don't

598
00:43:22,639 --> 00:43:27,320
know Lithgal is that his name?
Either way? He was the executive producer

599
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,760
of American Idol. And also,
so you think he can dance? She

600
00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:36,400
said that he tried to force her
to kiss her at one point. There

601
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,400
were some allegations back in the American
Idol days. And then again so I

602
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:43,679
so you think he can dance?
At the New Year's Eve party once he

603
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,480
said, I think the statute of
limitations for my past inappropriateness have passed.

604
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:52,519
Whatever. No one has ever heard
of this, she says it now because

605
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,920
la or excuse me, California like
New York State. I think New York

606
00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:00,239
State, the windows the windows closed. I think the windows closing New York

607
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:05,039
State. But it is not closed
in the other place, uh, in

608
00:44:05,039 --> 00:44:08,119
California. But that means in any
kind of there is no statue limitations on

609
00:44:08,159 --> 00:44:13,280
any sexual crime, so it can
be considered a sexual solt crime. And

610
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,800
now two more women have come out
and said they've had similar problems with this

611
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:22,039
guy, or or maybe worse.
I don't know, so that that's all

612
00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:27,039
the I just wonder with the Epstein
stuff, when you hear this about these

613
00:44:27,079 --> 00:44:30,079
different people, uh huh, And
how many people already look at Bill Clinton

614
00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:36,400
going, you know, Billy or
maybe Bill Gates. Is the list gonna

615
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,000
shock you? Or is it gonna
be one of those things where there's that

616
00:44:38,119 --> 00:44:45,280
one person on there, like it's
the Pope. Not I guess they're gonna

617
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,559
be that one person that you're like, oh, so, who's the first

618
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,559
that comes out? The name is
on the list, and they sit down

619
00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:59,360
and do an interview, and who
does the interview? Oprah is still big

620
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,719
enough to do the interview? Probably
Gail King from CBS, her friend,

621
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,039
Jimmy Kimmel, Stephanopoulos, Jimmy kimil
could do it. Jimmy Kimmel could,

622
00:45:08,039 --> 00:45:13,800
But I mean, who's going to
take it seriously? According to Aaron Roger,

623
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,760
stop stop, but it is.
It's one of these things where you

624
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:22,840
go there is a morbid curiosity.
And the bad part is I have heard

625
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:30,719
I again hearsay I don't know anything
about anything. But I knew someone who

626
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,679
had gone down to the Virgin Islands
with a girlfriend. It was two women,

627
00:45:36,599 --> 00:45:40,280
and they hung out with this guy
and they partied with him and got

628
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:45,480
to know him a little bit.
And it turned out that his dad was

629
00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:51,920
the guy that committed suicide over the
Whitewater real estate thing with the Clintons,

630
00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:58,679
and he had nothing good to say
about the Clintons. Now I wasn't there.

631
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,519
I didn't know this person with they
went down and did that, I

632
00:46:00,519 --> 00:46:04,800
had those conversations. I wasn't around
any of this stuff, so I never

633
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,239
really knew what to believe, you
know what I'm saying. And that's where

634
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,039
I go back to, like the
fake news with the aluminum report that I

635
00:46:10,039 --> 00:46:14,000
told earlier about aluminum. Is it
good or bad? I don't know.

636
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,519
It depends on who you read right. Is this is this list gonna be

637
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:22,000
kind of a big nothing burger?
Or is it is it something that people

638
00:46:22,039 --> 00:46:25,480
go when there's smoke, there's fire, if there's enough shit and who's gonna

639
00:46:25,519 --> 00:46:30,239
maybe will somebody crack under pressure and
go listen? I was there. I

640
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,360
didn't do it, but I'll tell
you this stuff was going on, and

641
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,960
now like the whole world was gonna
catch on fire. Would there be anybody

642
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,639
on that that could be on the
list that you would have no doubt that

643
00:46:38,679 --> 00:46:43,360
would be there? Is there somebody
you could think of that you'd be like,

644
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,239
well, let me I heard a
story about Bill Clinton from a local

645
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:52,119
reporter when he was here in nineteen
ninety three at the Diplomat Party House campaigning

646
00:46:52,159 --> 00:46:53,559
to be the President of the United
States. He was kind of an unknown

647
00:46:53,559 --> 00:46:57,440
Democrat. All the Democrats were really
work in New York state. He came

648
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,599
here. This person said that they
had it was right around the time that

649
00:47:00,639 --> 00:47:06,039
the Jennifer Flower story came out,
and they had corralled the press. So

650
00:47:06,159 --> 00:47:09,079
basically you were kind of off in
a corner and you couldn't get to Bill

651
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:13,960
Clinton to ask about the Jennifer Flowers
thing. It either had dropped that morning

652
00:47:14,119 --> 00:47:16,599
or the previous day, and he
was coming to Rochester. The person said

653
00:47:16,599 --> 00:47:20,480
to me that they were in the
press. They worked their way out.

654
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:22,880
And again you can say this is
hearsay because I'm not going to name any

655
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:28,800
names this, but this is what
I was told firsthand that that person worked

656
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,440
their way out to be along the
line. As Clinton was leaving, he

657
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:37,000
was greeting people, shaking hands and
stuff, and there was an extremely attractive

658
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:42,000
young woman who was the daughter of
some democratic big wig in Monroe County,

659
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:46,079
and Bill stopped. And this person
said, it was like everyone else in

660
00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:51,840
the room had disappeared. He just
zoned zoned in, like focused on this

661
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,559
young woman and was like right there
and touched her shoulder and all things that

662
00:47:55,599 --> 00:48:00,920
would be familiar touching, right,
not complete strain, you're familiar touching.

663
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:06,239
And they and the person said,
I was shocked to see that, knowing

664
00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:08,039
because the whole thing with the press
not being able to get to him was

665
00:48:08,039 --> 00:48:10,800
because of Jennifer Flowers. It has
just happened. You would think that that

666
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:15,239
automatically. It's almost like he couldn't
help himself. So the fact that he's

667
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:20,880
on Epstein and Epstein's island, no, No, If those things are true,

668
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:22,920
and you hear more and more of
them, So what I'm saying that,

669
00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:25,480
like I always go look for patterns, look for patterns. Well,

670
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:30,239
if you're looking for patterns, I
don't know. It sure seems like there's

671
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,400
been a pattern for a while.
I could see Bill Casby on there.

672
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,239
And the bad part is that the
worst part of this is most of these

673
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:43,599
women are underage. I don't could
they not have known that? People may

674
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:49,360
I don't know. I don't know
anything under the scope of America, so

675
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,760
it could be. I get that. But I know what you're saying.

676
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:57,199
I understand what you're saying. Out
of the jurisdiction yet, all right,

677
00:48:58,039 --> 00:49:01,840
but it will be interesting. So
I would expect tomorrow that we'll see something

678
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:06,920
at some point, if not on
the eleven o'clock News on Wednesday, January

679
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,199
third, we will take a moment, speaking of news, we will.

680
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,920
I'm going to try to find him. He says, he's somewhere around this

681
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,039
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712
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I'm thinking of eight. By the
way, Happy New Year, the

713
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whole thing. You know, it's
been a while. You've been down on

714
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the scroll there a while. Don't
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715
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But yeah, fuck, twenty four
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716
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:42,000
twenty four is gonna be fucking good. I lost my train of thought.

717
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:50,199
Now, ooh, the stalker.
That's right, the stalker. I wasn't

718
00:51:50,199 --> 00:51:55,679
disappointed. It was wasn't me,
but you know, hey, it's flattering.

719
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:06,239
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this year for Christmas because the kid

720
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visited fucking right crass shoes one of
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721
00:52:13,039 --> 00:52:16,039
be sure to like and subscribe to
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722
00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:19,760
thing, yes, you not to
do and you come right of the bus,

723
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,519
said that tray. He said right
away, Jeffrey Rogers is in the

724
00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:27,719
studio. And I said, Jeffrey, sometimes curse words do happen on here.

725
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,159
It's okay. We couldn't do it
on the radio, but you can't

726
00:52:30,199 --> 00:52:32,880
do it here. It's not government
controlled. And I and I asked,

727
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:37,000
because he said, can I go
live on GSL News? And I said,

728
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,559
you can, but sometimes curse words
come out? And you said to

729
00:52:39,559 --> 00:52:45,000
me, sometimes I have kids start
alive, yet when they are see we're

730
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:49,639
good, We're good. Jeffrey Rogers, look at them sharp handsome kid.

731
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,760
Right there. I have a brand
new tie on just for the show.

732
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,000
Look at or I like it?
I like it. I like it?

733
00:52:55,119 --> 00:53:00,239
So why don't we start here?
And then well we could, Yeah,

734
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,760
let's start here. We had talked. I get for people who may not

735
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:09,760
have listened to last night's episode.
I woke up yesterday morning and accidentally,

736
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,320
not even on purpose, it's six
eleven. My alarm was set to go

737
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,239
off with like six thirty six twenty. I pick up the phone and I

738
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:21,880
hit and Twitter opens up X and
the first thing that pops up is this

739
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:27,480
really detailed tweet about with a picture
of the of the SWAT team in the

740
00:53:27,519 --> 00:53:31,639
in the hotel in Greece over this
whole accident that happened outside the Codec Center

741
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:36,239
on New Year's Eve. And I
thought to myself, well, this is

742
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,079
this is who is this? Who's
doing this? And it says GSL News.

743
00:53:39,079 --> 00:53:43,320
I go GSL News and I'm thinking, is there, like is it

744
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:47,480
Global Something News? And I think
you and I may have cross paths or

745
00:53:47,519 --> 00:53:52,320
I've heard about you from people being
you know, a young kid. I

746
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,519
think you were on the Brother We
show at one point. Yeah, yeah,

747
00:53:54,760 --> 00:54:00,719
so I had heard about you.
But so then and I see this,

748
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:02,239
and then I find out who it
is, I reach out, and

749
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:06,039
then I talked to you, and
I was really impressed with your in depth

750
00:54:06,119 --> 00:54:08,039
coverage. I really really was.
I put it up on my story today,

751
00:54:08,159 --> 00:54:13,280
a little piece of you with us
and on the phone. Then I

752
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,719
did see today where you did put
out a tweet and you said that you

753
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:21,480
were a little disappointed in other reporters. And I will explain why The New

754
00:54:21,519 --> 00:54:25,760
York Post at least online had a
headline that said cops recover suicide note after

755
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:30,639
drained man drove car packed with explosives
into crowd at Rochester concert, killing two,

756
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:36,719
which actually just the headline alone.
And I can't say that it's wrong.

757
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:38,880
And I know some things about journalism, and I do you know Gary

758
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:43,360
Craig from the Democrat Chronicle. I
do, yeah, So Gary and I

759
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,840
did a one on one and Gary
said that a lot of times he goes

760
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,440
back to his editors and says,
look, look at you gotta change that

761
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:54,079
headline because you can't. You can't
use that. It's for clickbait. And

762
00:54:54,119 --> 00:54:58,360
so this one even said, does
this is not sound like because it was

763
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,840
gas cast. They are explosive.
That is absolutely true. But I'm thinking

764
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,320
the guy comes in with time,
money, you know what I mean,

765
00:55:04,519 --> 00:55:10,679
everything's triggered more even un scene.
Just yeah, up a lot of things.

766
00:55:10,679 --> 00:55:14,679
And I was like, so,
let me read what they Let me

767
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,079
read what they what they wrote,
Okay, uh, I just pulled just

768
00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:22,079
an excerpt from their article. Investigators
are reviewing the journal for any clues into

769
00:55:22,119 --> 00:55:27,039
the attack, and have interviewed family
members who said they believe the suspect had

770
00:55:27,079 --> 00:55:30,639
bipolar disorder, though he was never
officially diagnosed. According to sources, the

771
00:55:30,679 --> 00:55:35,840
relatives say avery that's the thirty five
year old man from Syracuse who was responsible

772
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,400
for this, had never expressed any
negative beliefs, and that they are unaware

773
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:44,360
of any reason he would want to
cause harm to other. Sources says authorities

774
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,639
are planning to conduct a search of
stories unit belonging to him in North Syracuse

775
00:55:46,679 --> 00:55:51,280
as well. Uh yeah, and
then it just kind of goes on from

776
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:55,360
there. You you wrote that there
was no there was there was no journal,

777
00:55:55,519 --> 00:55:59,480
There was nothing fun. And I
definitely felt pressure by the New York

778
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,079
Times because they had a lot of
information for me. But that was one

779
00:56:01,079 --> 00:56:02,559
thing I did. Wait, wait, wo woa, whoa, whoa,

780
00:56:02,559 --> 00:56:06,400
whoa, whoa, whoa whoa.
So time I was on the phone with

781
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,000
him for several however, phone calls. How did you get in touch with

782
00:56:09,039 --> 00:56:12,039
it? How did the New York
Times find you? Or you find the

783
00:56:12,039 --> 00:56:15,239
time? They found me and they
they called me I think I think after

784
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:22,239
I think it was after ABC News
had contact to me and they they said,

785
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,480
okay, we this might be a
credible source. They came out with

786
00:56:24,519 --> 00:56:30,880
this information stating that They kept pressuring
me like did he are you sure?

787
00:56:30,119 --> 00:56:34,199
Wasn't finding any notes or anything like
that, because I felt like they had

788
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,360
new they had screwed up, which
kind of made me look bad because you

789
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,159
guys are getting this information for me. Were they crediting you on ABC News?

790
00:56:40,599 --> 00:56:44,480
ABC News did credit me? They
did? What? And how did

791
00:56:44,519 --> 00:56:47,079
the credits come with? So they
credited me with the video with GSO News

792
00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:50,599
jeffre Rodger because I told him my
director, you cannot use my information.

793
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,920
We have his title on there too. I said, you're not using my

794
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:58,480
information. I know. So I'm
like, you're not using my information,

795
00:56:58,519 --> 00:57:00,440
you're not using any of my video. I need I want it like this,

796
00:57:00,519 --> 00:57:04,840
I want it like this and I
also want to check. So I

797
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,960
negotiated a little bit with the pricing
there. So they paid you. They

798
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:12,079
did pay men, It did pay
me. I mean it wasn't a lot,

799
00:57:12,199 --> 00:57:15,480
you know, but it's something.
Don't ever tell what that number is.

800
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:16,800
I can't tell. I can't tell. It could have been, it

801
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:21,199
should have been more. But tell
nobody. The New York Times still hasn't

802
00:57:21,199 --> 00:57:23,119
paid me. They've been playing around
right now. They've been playing around.

803
00:57:23,159 --> 00:57:27,760
I don't know their payment department is. They've been playing around. They've been

804
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,639
playing around. They've been playing around. Okay, that doesn't sound good.

805
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:36,079
The other day it doesn't it doesn't
sound good. But yeah, New York

806
00:57:36,119 --> 00:57:38,280
Times and most of all the major
news all that I was on the phone

807
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:43,599
with them basically for now hours.
Would you have you normally? Have you

808
00:57:43,679 --> 00:57:46,280
not? I shouldn't say normally,
but in the past, has any let's

809
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:50,800
say national news service? And I
would even say the New York Times be

810
00:57:51,079 --> 00:57:54,920
not globally globally Yeah, So I
had a contract with CNN and Fox News

811
00:57:55,000 --> 00:58:01,119
during the protests, uh, and
that twenty twenty one, I had contract

812
00:58:01,159 --> 00:58:06,599
with them during the Black Lives Matter
protests after George Floyd so I was working

813
00:58:06,639 --> 00:58:08,400
with them very closely, and I
was also working with Vice TV to get

814
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:15,599
some footage for them as well.
So and more global countries from Australia also

815
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,400
radio stations out there were contacting me
and asking me can they use this and

816
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,559
can they have them have me on
their shows and stuff like that. Did

817
00:58:22,639 --> 00:58:24,480
you do any of that? And
I'll ask you this in all honesty,

818
00:58:24,519 --> 00:58:28,320
did you ever? Did you do
any of it for free? So?

819
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,559
I did a lot of work for
free. But as I well, here's

820
00:58:30,599 --> 00:58:35,159
why I would say. I think
that that at some point, like if

821
00:58:35,199 --> 00:58:37,840
you really want a job, no
matter what the job is, and you

822
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:45,119
believe in yourself that and there's a
place you want to work, you offer

823
00:58:45,159 --> 00:58:49,119
a trial where they don't pay you, but you prove because you got the

824
00:58:49,159 --> 00:58:52,159
confidence in you that you're going to
get paid. Now, the other part

825
00:58:52,159 --> 00:58:55,480
of that is you never want to
be taken advantage of. Yeah, I

826
00:58:55,480 --> 00:59:00,400
think the problem is you look like
a baby. You look friendly, you

827
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:05,159
got a nice smile, and you
look like a kid. That's a kid,

828
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,559
right. So that's I think a
lot of journalists here and reporters here

829
00:59:08,559 --> 00:59:13,880
in Rochester are starting to realize who
I am and I had to realize my

830
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:15,719
worth too once that protesting was happening. I was getting with a lot of

831
00:59:15,719 --> 00:59:19,800
footage, but it was it was
a photographer from New York City who was

832
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,400
here, and she was like,
what are you giving away all this stuff

833
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:24,000
for? Or what are you out
here even filming for? You're out here

834
00:59:24,039 --> 00:59:27,360
working harder than me, and you're
getting away all this stuff. And she

835
00:59:27,519 --> 00:59:30,880
was telling me the ins and out
of how can I all checks? And

836
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:34,920
I was like, CNN had reached
out to me, uh, and they

837
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,679
were like, well can you use
this? And she was like remember what

838
00:59:37,719 --> 00:59:38,960
I told you? So I was
like, I want this for such and

839
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,159
such a price. You're not getting
this, leave me alone. Did she

840
00:59:42,199 --> 00:59:45,239
give you any pricing guidelines? Because
you remember they give me pricing life.

841
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,880
So and she was she said she
could, she could charge and that's the

842
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:52,960
reputation she'd had. She she can
charge two thousand dollars for a three minute

843
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:57,199
video. Yeah, And I was
like, especially if it's going to be

844
00:59:57,199 --> 01:00:00,519
exclusive to somebody exactly and believed,
you know what two thousand dollars is to

845
01:00:00,639 --> 01:00:06,360
ABC News nothing like a damn thing. Do you still have contact with her?

846
01:00:06,679 --> 01:00:08,199
Yeah? So I definitely me and
her actually reached out. She actually

847
01:00:08,239 --> 01:00:09,840
reached out to me the other day. She's like, what's going on in

848
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,280
Rochester? Is things getting hyped up? I might come down here. And

849
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,280
I was like, it's not,
you know, too crazy, don't he

850
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,440
nothing's really major happening. Yeah,
they're trying to I feel like they're just

851
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:22,239
trying to water down this case.
But I there's a lot of things I

852
01:00:22,239 --> 01:00:28,400
could say. It's definitely watered down. I mean water down in terms of

853
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:30,719
what you think it was more serious. You think that the idea. So

854
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:36,000
just in your opinion, being on
the being at the news conferences, hearing

855
01:00:36,039 --> 01:00:40,039
the conversations, say you've heard talked
to people maybe privately without revealing any sources,

856
01:00:40,119 --> 01:00:44,639
you think that there may be this
is some deranged guy. This was

857
01:00:44,679 --> 01:00:46,800
a planned thing. So this was
definitely I feel like, in my opinions

858
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:52,079
planned. He could have had definitely
mental illness. But when you spend days

859
01:00:52,239 --> 01:00:59,039
and hours waiting for the right moment
to come out, that takes a lot

860
01:00:59,039 --> 01:01:01,840
of time and patience. Not only
that, but if new footage was released

861
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:06,840
from the owners of one of the
buildings right now, another now, another

862
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,920
reporter who I'm friendly with, had
tweeted that out and said they were waiting

863
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:15,320
for verification from the police to say
that it was actually was Archer. Was

864
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:16,960
that his name? Archer? Am
I getting Michael Avery? Avery? Excuse

865
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:22,119
me Avery, but I had But
it was the same footage that you had

866
01:01:22,599 --> 01:01:27,840
that I saw last night. But
some people were waiting to get confirmation.

867
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:30,800
Did you get confirmation that it was
him or did you just that was him

868
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:34,320
in the vehicle? Yeah, from
the footage from the camera footage, Yeah,

869
01:01:34,639 --> 01:01:37,880
was out him. Yeah. Well
I think they were waiting for the

870
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:39,960
police to say it. I think
everybody gets a little shot, a little

871
01:01:40,039 --> 01:01:45,920
nervous now to necessarily jump on things
and then possibly be wrong. I want

872
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:50,719
to talk about that is when you
just like the the the false rumors about

873
01:01:50,719 --> 01:01:54,039
the notepads and journals being found.
I think when you when you know your

874
01:01:54,079 --> 01:01:59,239
work and you know how to do, and your family believes in you,

875
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,800
but not only believe when you are
credible, you know and learn how to

876
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:06,519
not make mistakes like that. Yeah, and not only that, but I

877
01:02:06,519 --> 01:02:09,199
do my own private investigations. You
know, I authentic make sure everything is

878
01:02:09,239 --> 01:02:15,159
authenticied and inaccurate. You know that
was the same vehicle, same description,

879
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,360
same everything, and you also have
to match up the timelines. But not

880
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:20,519
only that, but I match up
my own timelines. So when did I

881
01:02:20,599 --> 01:02:22,679
arrive on scene, when did this
happen? What time was I in the

882
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,800
area. But not only that,
but you look at other people's footages from

883
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:30,039
other businesses, ring cameras, traffic
cameras, and you look at this is

884
01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:34,320
all public information there. I have
a huge fan base and people in the

885
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:37,679
neighborhood was like, you can get
my ring footage, just leave me anonymous.

886
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:40,920
So just doing those type of private
investigations and doing this, and that's

887
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,760
how I found out so much about
the the search ones of the FBI.

888
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:49,480
I had a huge fan base and
people said, this hotel was surrounded by

889
01:02:49,679 --> 01:02:52,760
SWAT teams and Rochester police officers.
I'm going there. I'm going there immediately.

890
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,840
Let's find out what they what you
know? What should we know?

891
01:02:58,199 --> 01:03:04,480
What is it that I have so
many questions for you. I got to

892
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:09,519
answered, how do you handle criticism? Somebody wrote a nasty creature? I'm

893
01:03:10,079 --> 01:03:15,559
so I'm still learning. I'm still
learning, and I think it's because I

894
01:03:15,639 --> 01:03:19,320
take it a little more harshly.
Is because I've been dealing with it since

895
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,599
I was fourteen, So thirteen fourteen
when I criticism, Like, there was

896
01:03:22,639 --> 01:03:27,719
one today where somebody was picking on
your grammar in a tweet. Did you

897
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,480
see that? Yeah, the grammar
police, they need to. I wonder

898
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:35,000
how much it costs to be a
grammar police of one? Right? Okay,

899
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:40,800
but but sometimes that that that makes
people think less less, like you're

900
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:45,400
less educated or you're less something.
Yeah, so I think that it's not

901
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:49,599
my My my grammar is not horrible. But it's just because I'm speedy.

902
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,239
So and when I'm just trying to
put out something so fast, I don't

903
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,960
really I'm gonna I don't look over
a lot of stuff. Let me ask

904
01:03:55,000 --> 01:04:00,920
you this. Sometimes everybody has a
different way they speak. I'll speak to

905
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:03,280
Kevin one way, and I would
speak to a woman possibly a different way.

906
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:05,280
And I may talk to my mom
a different way. And I have

907
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:09,719
three sons, I may talk to
them differently. Do you sometimes write the

908
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:14,639
way you speak? So? And
and my family always tell me, why

909
01:04:14,639 --> 01:04:16,239
do you talk like a reporter?
Why do you talk so like like you're

910
01:04:16,239 --> 01:04:21,639
in a setting? I think I
talk like this all day every day.

911
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:30,639
And mom is preparing tacos tonight yeah, it's just it's just I don't know,

912
01:04:30,679 --> 01:04:33,079
it's just it's just kind of stuck
with me. You know. There's

913
01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:36,599
not like a family talk and a
family tone. It's this is me,

914
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:42,719
this is me. Now. This
tweet was meant to be mean. Am

915
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,039
I most tweets? No? No? This this was, like I felt

916
01:04:45,079 --> 01:04:48,559
as much, was a nasty but
they're always you know, but I think,

917
01:04:49,159 --> 01:04:53,559
well, I'll spell it out.
I think that this was picking on

918
01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:57,639
the fact that you're black. I
can't put the race card. I'm not

919
01:04:57,719 --> 01:05:00,400
saying you're pulling the race card.
I am pulling the race card. I

920
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:05,440
think this person wrote and you said
something in a way that may be more

921
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:11,159
of an urban dialect, and they
took it as I ain't listening to this

922
01:05:11,199 --> 01:05:15,440
guy, and I thought, spoken, well, how shitty forgive my language.

923
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,679
I thought that that's shitty because this
kid has hustled, he's in the

924
01:05:18,679 --> 01:05:23,079
middle of everything doing it, and
he's a one man band. I got

925
01:05:23,079 --> 01:05:26,920
to tell you, kid, I
find you really impressive. Excuse me,

926
01:05:27,039 --> 01:05:30,480
Jeffrey, not kid. I find
you really impressive. I just do.

927
01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:33,519
And I know that there's been some
other controversy with you because people wrote it

928
01:05:33,519 --> 01:05:39,519
on under the video. Why,
I think, why do you think that

929
01:05:39,679 --> 01:05:43,639
is? And I say, every
day, all day, I'm talking about

930
01:05:43,639 --> 01:05:50,039
one particular incident from your past that
someone mentioned, two people mentioned on comments,

931
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:56,159
two different just two people. But
that's in people's heads. And I

932
01:05:56,199 --> 01:06:00,480
go, well, that seems a
little unfair to me. But I have

933
01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:05,039
a reason it is. It's just
the life. It is unfair. So

934
01:06:05,559 --> 01:06:10,079
when I was seventeen, nearly five
years ago. Now at this point,

935
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:14,880
I was seventeen years old and it
was August. I had never been in

936
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:18,199
trouble before, never been in trouble
with law enforcement, never had really had

937
01:06:18,239 --> 01:06:24,199
any major issues in school. I
was always bullied in school. So one

938
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:29,079
day, because I wanted to do
this, I wanted to do the YouTube,

939
01:06:29,159 --> 01:06:33,239
the news reporter thing since I was
like in fifth grade. So one

940
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:35,559
day, me and my little brother, which he didn't even know what was

941
01:06:35,599 --> 01:06:39,760
going on. He's twelve years old
at that time. I'm seventeen. So

942
01:06:41,159 --> 01:06:45,880
he goes ahead, he follows me. I take him to the city's station

943
01:06:46,079 --> 01:06:50,239
where they have like cloud trucks and
police cars there, and I just seen

944
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:55,360
this vehicle with keys in it,
and I took off. But I was

945
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:57,880
doing that for a week straight.
Now many people don't even know. And

946
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:01,079
I just started coming out about this
this year, well last year going into

947
01:07:01,079 --> 01:07:03,639
this year, I was doing that
for a week straight, so I was

948
01:07:03,679 --> 01:07:08,480
actually taking the second hang on time
out. You were a pioneer for the

949
01:07:08,559 --> 01:07:19,119
key Boys. Absolutely not, absolutely
not. I was just saying five years

950
01:07:19,119 --> 01:07:23,199
ago, you were a pioneer stealing. So what do you mean they left

951
01:07:23,199 --> 01:07:26,559
the keys in the car. So
yeah, so they left the keys.

952
01:07:27,199 --> 01:07:31,239
Who were they? The city?
The city did, and so you would

953
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:33,440
just jump in and take a little
ride. Yeah, so I would.

954
01:07:33,559 --> 01:07:36,519
I was taking a vehicle for like
a week straight, like different types of

955
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:43,119
undercover under undercover police vehicles, yeah, uh, and just city vehicles.

956
01:07:43,159 --> 01:07:45,480
And I was actually driving them to
the crime scene. So I would park

957
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,119
the car around the corner, walk
around the corner, take pictures of crimes,

958
01:07:48,159 --> 01:07:53,360
and hold on, hold on.
You were using their vehicles showing up

959
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:57,079
at their crime scenes to do reporting. Yeah, I do these. They

960
01:07:57,079 --> 01:08:00,920
should hire you, I don't.
I was doing that for a week straight

961
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:03,000
before I was called. I want
everybody to know that this wasn't like an

962
01:08:03,039 --> 01:08:06,800
impulsive thing. Once I got away
with the first time, yeah, of

963
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:10,639
course, I was like you're seventeen. I know how to drive, but

964
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,800
now I can get to the scenes
faster. Yeah, so I thought.

965
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:15,800
And by the way, how nice
are those police cars? They look like

966
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:21,600
kind of nothing, but they've they've
got better. The undercover ones was fast.

967
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:27,720
I think one time. They're better. I'm telling you, the tighter

968
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:30,079
steering columns. I've driven them.
Remember they had mustangs for a while,

969
01:08:30,159 --> 01:08:32,560
the Monroe County Showers. Yeah,
I might have seen. I might have

970
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:36,479
been one or two of those.
Listen, and then what what it was

971
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:43,840
was was way before it was back
seat, not boxter. What it was

972
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:46,840
was, I think because I had
so many ride alongs, I kind of

973
01:08:47,199 --> 01:08:51,479
and I had so much access at
this age, I kind of knew my

974
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:57,159
ins and out the city places appear
apparently not you get busted. So so

975
01:08:57,239 --> 01:09:00,239
that's how I got caught. So
I'm putting gas, so I used to

976
01:09:00,279 --> 01:09:08,439
get allowance, so listen my research. So I'm at the gas station on

977
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:12,479
Portland and Clifford Avenue, and I'm
so glad that I'm so glad I have

978
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:15,800
the platform to clear this up because
people won't believe me. I'm at the

979
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:19,760
gas station and I'm I try to
put ten dollars in ten dollars is a

980
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:24,279
lot five four years ago. That
kind of got you somewhere. We're seventeen,

981
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:29,279
right, So that filled up the
car a little bit. And this

982
01:09:29,319 --> 01:09:32,720
is before I got slushies. I
came from Taco Bell Speedway, so we

983
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:36,920
got slushies in Taco Bell. Any
stains of the front seat hot sauce stainer,

984
01:09:38,079 --> 01:09:42,199
I don't know, but it was
delicious. I'm not going to figure

985
01:09:42,239 --> 01:09:45,119
the mill. It was a good
meal. It was delicious slushies too.

986
01:09:45,119 --> 01:09:47,439
It's summertime too as well. So
got some slushies. Went to get some

987
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:54,000
gas at the Portland and Clifford Avenue
gas station, which was a horrible decision.

988
01:09:54,399 --> 01:09:58,520
This guy walks up to the vehicle
and literally goes, aren't you that

989
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:00,680
news? What'd be around the neighborhood? Right in on the bike? What

990
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:01,960
are you doing in this type of
car? You even old enough? He

991
01:10:02,079 --> 01:10:05,800
starts reaching what appears to be a
gun. Looks like a gun to me

992
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:09,119
and his waistman because I know what
guns look at it, you know,

993
01:10:09,239 --> 01:10:13,680
So I'm like, is that a
gun? So I'm not thinking. I

994
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:15,920
called nine one one and says this
guy points a gun at me, but

995
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,680
I've never described what vehicle man,
et cetera. But I did not know

996
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:21,640
that there was a nine to one
call already out for the vehicle I was

997
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:25,720
driving. So I seen the people, the kids who used to bully me

998
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:29,640
in the neighborhood, and I kind
of chased them off their bikes. So

999
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:32,880
somebody seen that and called nine one. All right, this is a fantastic

1000
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:38,239
story. So, yeah, it
was a lot happened. I need I

1001
01:10:38,279 --> 01:10:41,159
need to clear there's a lot to
unpacked here. Give me just a second.

1002
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:45,680
So Jeffrey, you take this car. You've got your younger brother with

1003
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:47,880
you. Yes, you're his hero. He thinks the world to you.

1004
01:10:48,119 --> 01:10:51,119
Right now. Yeah, now we're
in this car. How cools this?

1005
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:56,680
You take it? You get food, you get slushies, and then you

1006
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,399
see the bullies or do you see
the bullies before you got the food in

1007
01:10:59,399 --> 01:11:01,359
the slushies. I've seen them,
Like as we're driving down Upper Falls on

1008
01:11:01,359 --> 01:11:03,880
our way to the gas station.
It's okay, so you already had the

1009
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:08,520
food, the slushes, You're feeling
good, your bellies full. You see

1010
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:12,520
the bully got little sugargut rust going
on and everything, and you start thinking

1011
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:15,439
you mofos gotcha, gotcha, You're
not gonna punch me in the face this

1012
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:18,960
time. This looks like an unmarked
car. They think that it's the police.

1013
01:11:19,319 --> 01:11:24,119
Possibly, No, this was an
undercover Honda, so that's it kind

1014
01:11:24,119 --> 01:11:27,600
of. It was an undercover Honda. So when you pull up, so

1015
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:30,760
you're literally chasing them on their buddy, do they know what's you behind the

1016
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:33,359
wheel? I don't think they know
it was me. So what it was

1017
01:11:33,359 --> 01:11:38,239
was they decided to be, you
know, menace in society and wanted us

1018
01:11:38,239 --> 01:11:41,880
to ride their bikes in the middle
of the road. So now I'm blogging

1019
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,039
my horn. But I'm like,
I noticed them. I'm like, is

1020
01:11:44,079 --> 01:11:47,600
that that just Sean? That's that
one that punched me in the face yesterday?

1021
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:50,560
Rubbed the gat So yeah, so
I get bullied. I was getting

1022
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:54,079
a bullied a lot in the neighborhood, like nearly every day. And when

1023
01:11:54,119 --> 01:11:57,920
I seen him, I'm like,
is that okay? Okay? I got

1024
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:00,159
him. Now I finally got him
rubbed in up start blowing a horn and

1025
01:12:00,159 --> 01:12:02,399
they was like, oh no,
this guy's trying to hit us. So

1026
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:05,279
they finally jumped off their bikes and
I didn't know somebody noticed that because this

1027
01:12:05,399 --> 01:12:09,000
was like one am, twelve eight
m in the morning. Yeah, and

1028
01:12:09,039 --> 01:12:14,000
somebody there was all you woke somebody
up, probably did, probably did by

1029
01:12:14,039 --> 01:12:18,279
the isn't that Coca Cola? And
yeah, yeah, So the officer seen

1030
01:12:18,319 --> 01:12:24,520
the vehicle the description of the vehicle, but they didn't know it was me.

1031
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:28,600
So now this vehicle surrounded because now
when I called nine one one for

1032
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:30,800
the guy having a gun, they
thought I had the gun. So everybody

1033
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:33,000
at the gas station who wasn't trying
to snitch and say that guy actually they

1034
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,279
had a gun. They lied on
me and said I pointed a gun,

1035
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:39,640
I had a gun, And I'm
like, whoa. So the guy who

1036
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:42,560
came up and said you're the guy, you're the boy who does the reporting

1037
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:45,800
right riding around the bike. Did
he have a gun or was it his

1038
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:47,760
cell phone? No, he had
a gun, he did. I seen

1039
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:51,199
him had a gun. He did
have a gun. And I wish the

1040
01:12:51,239 --> 01:12:56,960
news stations and police would do a
further did further investigation that like, but

1041
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,800
they can't prove that. You see
what I'm saying. That's how I wich

1042
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:02,920
they the camera footage of the gas
station. But even there I can't really

1043
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:06,760
tell because if it's in the belt
just because I seen it with me and

1044
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:09,560
my little brother. We both seen
it and we was like, we got

1045
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:13,119
to get out of here. So
that's when we uh kind of stayed low

1046
01:13:13,199 --> 01:13:15,760
and when I knew I heard the
there was a call out, so I

1047
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:18,279
had the little scanner rap on my
phone. There was a description under the

1048
01:13:18,319 --> 01:13:21,000
vehicle, so I was like,
dang, now they're looking for us.

1049
01:13:21,119 --> 01:13:24,680
So now we have to We can't
leave the area because now there's this area

1050
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:29,079
is swarming with cops. So I
go on this side street where you were

1051
01:13:29,159 --> 01:13:31,840
driving. You got back behind the
wheel. Yeah, So I went down

1052
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:36,399
the side street and I guess the
camera room the cameras one of the dispatch

1053
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:41,359
seen me and they were like,
we see this vehicle turning of the side

1054
01:13:41,399 --> 01:13:45,000
street. RPD comes behind me and
next thing you know, they'm tourrounted by

1055
01:13:45,039 --> 01:13:48,000
twenty cop cars saying put your hands
out. I hear police dog and it's

1056
01:13:48,079 --> 01:13:51,880
just it's it's made. Let me
ask you something. You're a seventeen year

1057
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:55,840
old young guy, you got your
twelve year old brother. Did you cry?

1058
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:59,680
I didn't cry. He was terrified. He was terrified, But I

1059
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:03,520
was kind of like, man,
I'm in chock. But yeah, so

1060
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:09,680
then what happened at So what happened? I think he did. If I

1061
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:14,039
hear the police dog, I might
feel a little. So now they take

1062
01:14:14,079 --> 01:14:16,359
you down, and what happens?
Well, I was arrested. I sat

1063
01:14:16,399 --> 01:14:20,279
in the Mono Cony jail for about
a couple of hours. Where who had

1064
01:14:20,319 --> 01:14:23,640
to come and get you? My
parents had to come and get me because

1065
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:28,560
I was seventeen, So they came
and got me. And that's when every

1066
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:32,159
news station in the city was waiting
outside with their cameras. I that was

1067
01:14:32,199 --> 01:14:36,640
the most embarrassing. I went through
depression for a couple of weeks dealing with

1068
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:41,319
that. I thought I wanted to
kill myself because I thought it was all

1069
01:14:41,359 --> 01:14:45,000
over. And then I what prevented
you from doing that? Going to school?

1070
01:14:45,319 --> 01:14:49,720
Going to school? Boy do?
So this was when that kind of

1071
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:53,479
made me popular. Yeah, I
was just gonna say, the whole world

1072
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:57,239
flipped in there there. So that
flipped because I was like the nerdy kid

1073
01:14:57,279 --> 01:15:02,720
in school. I went to school
people were talking about But it was when

1074
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:08,159
I was like fourth period, I
went in the cafeteria and I'm swarmed my

1075
01:15:08,239 --> 01:15:09,960
kids. Oh my god, Jeffy, my god, my god, my

1076
01:15:10,039 --> 01:15:14,039
god, like, how did you
feel like? And then it just all

1077
01:15:14,079 --> 01:15:16,640
went from there and that's how it
became more popular in high school. From

1078
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:20,920
that, and then I started doing
I was always doing announcements, but then

1079
01:15:21,239 --> 01:15:26,159
I started doing the news network in
the school and became a more popular and

1080
01:15:26,239 --> 01:15:29,079
more kids wanted to watch me on
this news network. It was like,

1081
01:15:29,159 --> 01:15:35,199
okay, now he's something. Yeah, so one bad thing, one one

1082
01:15:35,239 --> 01:15:40,720
off moment was was good for you
on the inside and bad for you on

1083
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:43,880
the outside. Yeah, it was. It was bad for me at first.

1084
01:15:44,079 --> 01:15:46,159
Yeah. Well I would say,
like I think people people remember that

1085
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:50,039
they're never gonna forget, and and
well they should and the people and the

1086
01:15:50,079 --> 01:15:54,680
people who don't even know about it, the people who hasn't forgot, make

1087
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:57,479
sure that they know about it.
That that becomes the issue. Okay,

1088
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:01,439
So well that's uh, it's a
challenge, isn't it. It's a challenge

1089
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:05,359
just never gonna end. Yeah what
it now? Mom and Dad come and

1090
01:16:05,359 --> 01:16:11,199
get you. What happens when you
go home? They did, they did.

1091
01:16:11,279 --> 01:16:14,039
They couldn't talk to me. It
was it was quiet. It definitely

1092
01:16:14,079 --> 01:16:16,560
was quiet. Now isn't that worse
than being yelled that? It was way

1093
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:20,159
worse. I'm like, I'm why
am I not getting dragged around? Why

1094
01:16:20,159 --> 01:16:24,159
a mind that it was quiet?
It was like my mom. My mom

1095
01:16:24,239 --> 01:16:27,800
was so disappointed and shocked. I
think she was more shocked than disappointing.

1096
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:32,279
She was like it took probably like
some days for the process because it was

1097
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:35,920
not just you, but you had
dragged your brother along with. I think

1098
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:40,760
once they have more comfort that he
was safe and okay. But it was

1099
01:16:41,079 --> 01:16:45,039
it was me because I had just
like a year or two before that,

1100
01:16:45,119 --> 01:16:48,960
I had just got this big news
story where I was on these TV shows

1101
01:16:49,199 --> 01:16:53,479
and getting all this praise for being
the youngest journalist, and then to have

1102
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:58,079
this fall that was a downfall.
It was like, what the hell are

1103
01:16:58,119 --> 01:17:02,840
you doing? Okay? Do you
think your dad was secretly pleased in some

1104
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:08,439
way? Like I mean, I'm
just gonna say, like if my kid

1105
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:12,720
did that, I would be like
I would never want to really good to

1106
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:17,279
myself. Kids got balls. Well, my parents so none of my parents,

1107
01:17:17,319 --> 01:17:20,920
even my stepdad, my actualological dad, my mom, none of them

1108
01:17:21,279 --> 01:17:25,680
got criminal records. They've never been
in trouble before, so they're not from

1109
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:33,079
the street error. So they were
like, this isn't so that's where a

1110
01:17:33,079 --> 01:17:35,159
lot of I'll tell you what I
think is the biggest thing. That's what

1111
01:17:35,279 --> 01:17:38,319
a lot I see some comments too, saying, well, this is how

1112
01:17:38,399 --> 01:17:42,439
he was raised in apartment environment,
okay, and that that kind of made

1113
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:44,079
me mad. Do you know what
that is? You know what? I

1114
01:17:44,119 --> 01:17:46,199
know what that is? That's the
subtle racism that people talk about. Definitely

1115
01:17:46,239 --> 01:17:50,159
racism. Well, I can't say
that it's out. It's a bath statistic,

1116
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:55,319
it's a bad statistic. It's I
wouldn't call it out now racism because

1117
01:17:55,399 --> 01:17:59,800
racism would be it's a black eyed
don't let him in this door right when,

1118
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:02,119
not excluding him, but we're gonna
paint with a broad brush. Young

1119
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:09,880
seventeen year old, young black male
was doing good. Now steals a car

1120
01:18:10,119 --> 01:18:14,079
must be the environment he's in and
where I gotta tell you, I was

1121
01:18:14,239 --> 01:18:20,439
a seventeen year old white male in
a very herb rural area. This is

1122
01:18:21,159 --> 01:18:26,119
very rural, and I did all
kinds of dumb shit. I had the

1123
01:18:26,159 --> 01:18:30,039
cops come to my house because they
knew I knew everybody that was at a

1124
01:18:30,039 --> 01:18:32,000
party where a window got broken,
and they wanted to talk to me right

1125
01:18:32,279 --> 01:18:34,479
now. If I were a black
kid do you think I would have gotten

1126
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:40,880
the same I don't know. And
that's where that's always my argument with people

1127
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:45,920
who say things like they don't white
privilege. They hate hearing the term white

1128
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:48,159
privilege because I work hard, I
don't get any breaks. I'm a white

1129
01:18:48,159 --> 01:18:53,600
guy. That's not white privilege.
What white privilege to me is that if

1130
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:57,359
I stole a car at seventeen and
did a little joy riding. I don't

1131
01:18:57,399 --> 01:19:00,760
think no news station, the judge
us. It just makes me mad too.

1132
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:04,439
Who is the judge? Judge?
I don't know what it's probabic anyway,

1133
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:11,560
Judge Miller. Actually Judge Miller,
he allowed cameras in the courtroom seventeen

1134
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:15,520
years old. So my attorney pressed
to please get the cameras. A.

1135
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:17,680
Yeah, here, here's the other
thing. Maybe in a way the judge

1136
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:24,039
is thinking, shame goes a long
way. I don't know, but that

1137
01:19:24,079 --> 01:19:26,560
was Do you understand I'm saying,
like, if we shame him, maybe

1138
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:30,680
he'll never do this again. Clearly
you never have, so have you?

1139
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:36,079
No, it gets deeper, it
gets deeper. Let's take a moment,

1140
01:19:36,199 --> 01:19:41,399
everybody. I got released from jail
in November this past November. Yes,

1141
01:19:43,119 --> 01:19:46,920
Jesus. So it goes deeper,
all right, So after that, well

1142
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:50,119
don't let let let's take a break
and let's find out deeper when we come

1143
01:19:50,119 --> 01:19:53,720
back. When we come back,
this is interesting. Yes, you're very

1144
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:58,439
interesting character. But I'll tell you
this. I dig the hustle, and

1145
01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:02,239
I thought, out of all the
news stations, you did the most effective

1146
01:20:02,319 --> 01:20:08,039
job. And the problem is more
and more one nobody's got the gumption.

1147
01:20:08,199 --> 01:20:11,600
There isn't the fire in the belly
to go do it right. And then

1148
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:14,920
the other side is people who are
going to be making a paycheck at this

1149
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:18,720
Those companies are scaling down in cities
like this, the A scale, so

1150
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:23,880
there's just less manpower to do to
have somebody out there. But when you're

1151
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:28,399
young and you're hungry, you'll run
through walls. I don't care what's going

1152
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:30,560
on. Yeah, keep yourself out
of jail. We'll find out why you

1153
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:32,920
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01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:39,199
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1173
01:22:40,399 --> 01:22:49,720
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1174
01:22:50,039 --> 01:23:16,960
Farday, the Crib Chad On You
starts to All On Lenny He's doing when

1175
01:23:17,079 --> 01:23:24,119
You're Long and You Come. That's
I've heard a lot of Michael, and

1176
01:23:24,159 --> 01:23:27,800
I have never heard this song.
I was just gonna say so. I'm

1177
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:31,880
a big fan of singer songwriter stuff. We played a song earlier tonight that

1178
01:23:32,119 --> 01:23:34,279
you probably never heard of it.
It was a little more popular. But

1179
01:23:34,319 --> 01:23:39,359
I love a guy named John Hyatt, and I love songs that people probably

1180
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:42,159
never really heard of. I don't
think many people have heard Tennessee play,

1181
01:23:42,239 --> 01:23:44,560
so we play every night. I
don't I don't want to many people.

1182
01:23:45,119 --> 01:23:47,640
I have never heard this Michael Jackson
song. And I asked Jeffrey what's his

1183
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:50,520
favorite artists? He said, Michael
Jackson. I said, how about A

1184
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:54,439
Man in the Mirror? Because I
thought that was a kind of a cool

1185
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:58,439
thing. As you were talking about
trouble, you got into and how you

1186
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:01,239
sort of I don't want to say
reformed, but that's the only one I

1187
01:24:01,279 --> 01:24:04,159
can come up with. My dumb
head, I reform yourself a little bit.

1188
01:24:04,159 --> 01:24:05,680
I thought that's cool to me,
and he said, no, can

1189
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:10,600
you play Stranger in Moscow? I've
never heard of it. This is a

1190
01:24:11,199 --> 01:24:15,079
beautiful song. I listened to it
a lot, but I don't know.

1191
01:24:15,159 --> 01:24:17,760
It's just it's the vibe. It's
just that's that. If you ever want

1192
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:21,840
to describe a vibe about me,
Yeah, that's me. Like this is

1193
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:29,840
it? So you're a lone and
cold inside earth song? That's me.

1194
01:24:30,359 --> 01:24:32,920
I was gonna say, no,
that's alone and dead inside. That's a

1195
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:41,960
difference, not that it's you actually
say it out loud, but it kind

1196
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:44,680
of describes like how I feel a
lot, how you feel a lot?

1197
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:46,760
Do you feel like you don't fit? I don't know. I was trying.

1198
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:48,640
That's why I was trying to see, do you know what album it's

1199
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:54,760
on? Uh, it's not telling
me here. Oh they have it on

1200
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:58,159
History, So but I think that's
a compilation, isn't it right? Because

1201
01:24:58,159 --> 01:25:00,000
it came out I think it came
out as a single probably, and then

1202
01:25:00,039 --> 01:25:03,920
they just matched it with History.
And it does look like he was older

1203
01:25:04,199 --> 01:25:08,239
at the time. So October third, two thousand and nine is when it

1204
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:12,760
posted the YouTube, So I don't
know. So YouTube came out like two

1205
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:15,319
thousand and nine, Stranger in Moscow
two thousand and eight or something like that,

1206
01:25:16,199 --> 01:25:20,800
and then earth Song would describe it. N do you feel like you

1207
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:24,119
don't fit in? Is that what
you're saying? You don't finish, You

1208
01:25:24,119 --> 01:25:26,479
don't fit in, You don't finish, never fit in? What does that

1209
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:31,239
mean though? I just never fit
in to where, to the crowds,

1210
01:25:31,399 --> 01:25:35,359
to where you live? No,
just never fit in any genre. Like

1211
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:40,239
I'm me, you know, like
I'm like, but isn't that what we

1212
01:25:40,359 --> 01:25:44,800
want? Authenticity? So yeah,
I don't want to Yeah, you do

1213
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:47,279
when you're younger because nobody wants it. Really stary, well actually bad reasons.

1214
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:51,039
I mean I tried to fit in, but then I realized like I

1215
01:25:51,279 --> 01:25:57,520
was getting popularity by just being me. Yeah. So as I got better,

1216
01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:00,279
right as I got like to high
school, more people started up to

1217
01:26:00,319 --> 01:26:05,479
me, like for just being me. Yeah. Now let's do this first

1218
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:11,600
before we get to your story.
The Epstein list we heard was coming out

1219
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:15,760
today and we couldn't find it and
you walked into our studio and you started

1220
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:18,600
dropping names that are on the list? How did you find it so quickly?

1221
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:20,640
I couldn't wait for this list to
come out. They've been talking about

1222
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:24,560
this list for so long. I'm
like, I'm going to look up court

1223
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:28,159
documents. I'm going to I need
to see this list. Because what got

1224
01:26:28,199 --> 01:26:30,880
my attention is when I heard Oprah
is on it. I'm like, okay,

1225
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:34,000
but do you think Oprah was going
and playing with little girls and in

1226
01:26:34,119 --> 01:26:39,199
the way he's talking about What they're
saying is underage sex trafficking, which is

1227
01:26:39,359 --> 01:26:43,479
awful and has and happened, and
they have women, you know, who

1228
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:46,239
have come forward and we're victims of
that. But I don't think that because

1229
01:26:46,279 --> 01:26:50,760
your name's on the list doesn't necessarily
mean that you were there. Now,

1230
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:55,399
I will tell you something I said
earlier. I always believe in life,

1231
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:58,199
you got to look for patterns.
Yeah, so we look for patterns,

1232
01:26:58,279 --> 01:27:00,199
and there's some people on that on
that list that we know are going to

1233
01:27:00,239 --> 01:27:03,079
be on there because they I think
these are just flight logs, are they

1234
01:27:03,159 --> 01:27:06,279
not? So? Yeah, these
are just flight logs and people who have

1235
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:12,359
just been in and out of the
island. In and out of the island.

1236
01:27:12,399 --> 01:27:15,239
So this does mean that people because
they have to say who in other

1237
01:27:15,279 --> 01:27:17,880
words, of a private jet goes
down, we need to know who was

1238
01:27:18,359 --> 01:27:21,279
on there, right right, there
are four souls or spi soals yeah,

1239
01:27:21,319 --> 01:27:26,600
yeah, so, but you also
have to say the destination. So all

1240
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:29,880
these people went to the island.
So Oprah went to the island or was

1241
01:27:30,039 --> 01:27:34,760
just on his plane? Do you
understand what he could have said to her?

1242
01:27:35,119 --> 01:27:38,439
Hey, listen, I'm going to
La fly with me. Now.

1243
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:41,760
He's a funny thing because those flight
logs also show the destinations. Okay,

1244
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:45,520
so I gotta look into deeper to
the destinations. But are they showing that

1245
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:47,399
in the list that's out of names
or they just putting out names on the

1246
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:49,439
list? Right? I think they're
just putting on names on the list.

1247
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:54,560
Did you see the names Dan Burrillo
or Doug Phelps on there? I can't

1248
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:57,279
remember. I mean this, you
gotta take a look to one hundred and

1249
01:27:57,359 --> 01:28:00,479
fifty names. Yeah yeah, and
you had to be a prize to see

1250
01:28:01,039 --> 01:28:06,319
Dougie's on there. The amount of
names on her. When I when I

1251
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:13,279
seen Jeffrey Epstein in the stage,
maybe, but listen, when I seen

1252
01:28:14,039 --> 01:28:18,319
Obama's name on there. M hmm. I'm like, why does that?

1253
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:23,680
Why is that making nervous? Because
if Obama can go to this island,

1254
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:28,399
John Legend's on there, he was
on there as well. Who else was

1255
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:31,000
he might maybe they got the good
mangos. Well no, but you go

1256
01:28:31,079 --> 01:28:34,159
to the who was not hanging around
a billionaire? Well see, here's the

1257
01:28:34,239 --> 01:28:40,800
bad part in America. We love
winners, right, and what of what

1258
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:44,119
a celebrity thing? Celebrities? What
have rich guys done? They want?

1259
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:47,359
Right? They want They got all
the toys, and so we want them

1260
01:28:47,399 --> 01:28:50,520
because we want stuff from them,
and the politicians want them. And then

1261
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:56,000
the celebrities they probably John Legend probably
do just want to be friends with Jeffrey

1262
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:59,720
Epstein. But if Jeffrey Epstein's money's
there. But if Jeffrey Epstein's gonna say,

1263
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:03,239
I'll fly you and your wife to
my island, hang out for the

1264
01:29:03,279 --> 01:29:08,319
week, and I'll pay you a
million dollars to play a concert at a

1265
01:29:08,399 --> 01:29:12,279
private party at the end of the
week, are you not going I'm taking

1266
01:29:12,319 --> 01:29:14,600
it? Well, this all came
out, That's what I'm saying. So

1267
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:19,239
I don't know why these people are
on the list. And so the bad

1268
01:29:19,319 --> 01:29:24,079
part is it's automatically. And this
is the trouble I have with news today

1269
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:29,359
is because sometimes I don't we don't
know because it's presented in a fashion to

1270
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:32,560
us and it and because there's so
many sources now, right, we've got

1271
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:36,760
a CNN and we've got a Fox, and they do seem to have their

1272
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:42,000
ways of leaning right. It's not
so much just the facts. And so

1273
01:29:42,079 --> 01:29:45,000
when we see something on Twitter or
even if you read something, sometimes you

1274
01:29:45,079 --> 01:29:46,680
have to dig a little deeper.
I like what you said where you said,

1275
01:29:47,039 --> 01:29:50,680
I want to dig deeper as to
you know, where were they going

1276
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:57,079
right, because I think maybe it's
because I'm younger or I'm just more passionate,

1277
01:29:57,159 --> 01:30:00,640
But turn it's like when they're in
a position they don't take anymore.

1278
01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:02,640
They're just like they kind of like, i'll tell you why everything off the

1279
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:05,319
top, and I'll I'll tell you
why. I think that is. I

1280
01:30:05,359 --> 01:30:11,119
think they have to work faster.
I think some of these newsrooms are understaffed,

1281
01:30:11,199 --> 01:30:14,119
where you know, one reporter would
also get a producer with them to

1282
01:30:14,199 --> 01:30:16,560
help them, right, basically an
assistant. And I think they're understaffed.

1283
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:19,199
And I think now in the world
of Twitter, you got to get it

1284
01:30:19,279 --> 01:30:23,600
out fast. I follow at least, let's just say, on the local,

1285
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:27,079
the local AB scene, the local
NBC and CBS. I'll get push

1286
01:30:27,199 --> 01:30:31,279
notifications all the time about car you
know, things like car accidents. Right.

1287
01:30:31,319 --> 01:30:34,960
We don't have Epstein's playing landing in
Rochester that I know of, so

1288
01:30:35,119 --> 01:30:38,880
that's not But if something like that
happened, they'd all be pushing it out

1289
01:30:39,119 --> 01:30:42,920
because they got to get there first. And and I think that's hurt us,

1290
01:30:43,119 --> 01:30:46,239
hurt that the storytelling of journalism.
I think, yeah, not only

1291
01:30:46,359 --> 01:30:48,680
that, but you know, there's
not a lot of people who want to

1292
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:53,279
be in the news industry anymore.
You got TikTok YouTube where people can just

1293
01:30:53,279 --> 01:30:56,640
pick up a phone and be like
them do this without a degree or without

1294
01:30:56,680 --> 01:31:01,000
working my way ups in the networks, right, which kind of kind of

1295
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:04,439
a path I took. The independent
lane is an interesting path to go,

1296
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:10,039
having been the you know, the
corporate path where I worked for companies and

1297
01:31:10,079 --> 01:31:13,439
then doing it on your own.
You aise all on your own. When

1298
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:16,119
you're doing it, you are all
on your own from every aspect of it.

1299
01:31:16,279 --> 01:31:19,680
But on the other side, you
get to kind of say whatever you

1300
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:24,159
want. Now, I'm not in
the two layout facts. I like,

1301
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:27,119
I like to think this, I
like to say what I want. Well,

1302
01:31:27,239 --> 01:31:30,439
that's why I love my platform.
Yes, yes, but which then

1303
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:35,119
would almost be not necessarily always the
facts. You got to just well,

1304
01:31:35,119 --> 01:31:38,079
I make sure kind of say what
you want to be. You want to

1305
01:31:38,079 --> 01:31:40,960
be a personality, you want to
be factual. So how I put my

1306
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:44,359
reputation up was to be unbod.
I have a lot of opinions, no

1307
01:31:44,399 --> 01:31:47,359
a lot, but I never put
my opinions in the stories. You never

1308
01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:50,079
want to do that. You let
people have their own point of view.

1309
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:55,680
Right. That's the issue with journalism
today is you have left wing and right

1310
01:31:55,720 --> 01:32:00,199
wing. So where did you learn
that? So I learned it from I'm

1311
01:32:00,279 --> 01:32:04,199
just growing up and hearing a lot
of reporters talk dirty. Uh when it

1312
01:32:04,279 --> 01:32:08,760
came to the media game, and
uh, listening to a lot of people

1313
01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:14,119
behind the scenes. It made me
become more unbiased when it become when it

1314
01:32:14,319 --> 01:32:16,159
came to my journalm but not on
journalism, but I would hang out with

1315
01:32:16,600 --> 01:32:19,640
Again, I grew up with a
lot of police officers and they would always

1316
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:23,920
say, man, this news are
so biased, or man, this is

1317
01:32:24,079 --> 01:32:27,039
and I would hear I would sit
like I was close with Mayor Lovely Warren,

1318
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:30,079
and she would say, well,
these news and are not treating me

1319
01:32:30,199 --> 01:32:31,960
right. They're not. They're so
boys. They keep putting on these lines

1320
01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:34,720
and all that. And then I
would hear more people, more people in

1321
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:39,399
people from community like why are they
putting this? So I decided, well,

1322
01:32:40,319 --> 01:32:42,640
I'm gonna write my stories, but
I'm gonna keep my opinions. And

1323
01:32:43,199 --> 01:32:45,680
now I may say in my opinions
on Twitter or something like that, but

1324
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:48,199
in my stories, absolutely not.
You gotta let people have their own point

1325
01:32:48,239 --> 01:32:51,239
of view. Well, you just
want to present the facts. This is

1326
01:32:51,319 --> 01:32:55,399
what we know. I think that
a lot of times that you have to

1327
01:32:55,479 --> 01:33:00,560
be very I would call it critical
thinking. Right, just because the names

1328
01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:03,359
on the list, we can't jump
to the conclusion, even though we want

1329
01:33:03,439 --> 01:33:06,600
to. For that now, I
would also say critical thinking, we look

1330
01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:12,319
at the pattern and if you've got
somebody who has a reputation of being somewhat

1331
01:33:12,319 --> 01:33:15,800
of a sex addict, let's say, right, and they're on that island.

1332
01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:18,760
I may say, where there's smoke, there's fire, but we don't

1333
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:23,439
have proof. So we don't have
proof. We can Well, the interesting

1334
01:33:23,479 --> 01:33:26,760
thing of The investigation that they did
as well is, you know, Jeffrey

1335
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:30,039
Epstein had a lot of money,
and he had a lot of power.

1336
01:33:30,119 --> 01:33:32,439
You know what money does, and
he knew a lot of people in law

1337
01:33:32,520 --> 01:33:36,600
force for me makes people. They
he cleared out his home. He took

1338
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:42,720
his own security systems out, took
every single computer, everything that every technology,

1339
01:33:43,239 --> 01:33:46,199
paperwork, everything was removed out of
there. Then he took a flight

1340
01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:51,720
he left. It was a mysterically
traveling When the FBI came in and do

1341
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:56,239
research, warn't there was nothing they
could really find because somebody tipped him.

1342
01:33:56,479 --> 01:34:01,680
The only right the only thing they
found was in the red couch that all

1343
01:34:01,680 --> 01:34:05,760
the victims were talking about describing in
this big master bathroom. They were describing

1344
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:09,640
the red couch, which and it
was there, and it was there.

1345
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:15,760
That was the only thing that they
had for incredible evidence. So you're doing

1346
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:18,000
all kinds of news. This isn't
just Monroe County. If it's news,

1347
01:34:18,119 --> 01:34:20,600
I dig I think it may not
be a story I'll published, but I

1348
01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:25,520
definitely talk about it. Okay,
when you say talk about it, where

1349
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:28,680
are you flapping? So I would
like make little tweets, are I go

1350
01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:32,760
live on my Facebook page? And
just dig into these stories and chill my

1351
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:38,800
fan base what I found and uncovered. Okay, all right, so now

1352
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:43,159
you said there was more. How
did you leave us in the last segment

1353
01:34:43,239 --> 01:34:45,359
you said there was more? Yeah, there was more. There was more

1354
01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:49,560
trouble, yeah, from the same
thing. So it just it was this

1355
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:55,279
loophole where the system, I just
this system had had a good had me

1356
01:34:55,359 --> 01:35:00,399
on a tight leash. And so
after the car incident happened, I was

1357
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:03,560
placed on five year probation. And
when this agreement for a youthful offender to

1358
01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:10,039
if I complete the five years,
that I will be able to What did

1359
01:35:10,079 --> 01:35:13,520
you have to do while on probation? Nothing? You just live your life.

1360
01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:15,159
I just had to go there like
once a week, and that was

1361
01:35:15,199 --> 01:35:17,720
it. They never drug test me
because I was in a high profile criminal

1362
01:35:18,159 --> 01:35:23,439
I never smoked week your house.
They did, but that was only if

1363
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:28,600
I moved. They just had verified
that that was an actual location. But

1364
01:35:29,039 --> 01:35:31,960
the probation was a little lighter on
me because I wasn't out there, you

1365
01:35:32,039 --> 01:35:36,520
know, I didn't. I think
they knew there's a kick going for joy

1366
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:41,680
ride, right, So it wasn't
like I was out there in the car,

1367
01:35:42,399 --> 01:35:45,680
right and I'm like, it isn't
the boys just stitching it under the

1368
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:49,479
bridge. I was driving. I
was driving crime scenes, trying to get

1369
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:54,760
to the story the thing that's the
funniest, which is okay, look,

1370
01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:59,920
that's why it needs to be consequences. Okay. So they put me on

1371
01:36:00,159 --> 01:36:04,039
five year probation, which is horrible
for me because I was put on the

1372
01:36:04,159 --> 01:36:09,920
pandemic. It literally the pandemic,
and it kind of slowed the process,

1373
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:13,319
shut out the courtroom short, shut
out the courthouses down. So I wasn't

1374
01:36:13,319 --> 01:36:15,359
able to accept the deal immediately how
I want it, So I had to

1375
01:36:15,399 --> 01:36:17,159
wait for the pandemic to kind of
slow down to the end of twenty twenty

1376
01:36:17,199 --> 01:36:24,079
twenty, where then I was finally
put on probation. And so your probation

1377
01:36:24,239 --> 01:36:28,119
goes to twenty twenty five, it
too, Yeah, it went for twenty

1378
01:36:28,199 --> 01:36:31,359
twenty five, twenty twenty six.
So because I accepted at the end of

1379
01:36:31,399 --> 01:36:35,680
twenty twenty, so I was played
some probation. So this happened in twenty

1380
01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:39,840
seventeen. No, this happened in
twenty nineteen. August twenty nineteen, I

1381
01:36:40,079 --> 01:36:43,439
took the vehicle. Yeah, but
the court's closed, so October twenty twenty.

1382
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:46,439
So then by the time they get
to your case, now the pandemic.

1383
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:50,039
H it's right, Okay, so
now everything's delayed. So now all

1384
01:36:50,119 --> 01:36:56,359
right, So now so now Jesus
cross mystery. So we go. So

1385
01:36:56,479 --> 01:37:00,800
now you're you're under probation until twenty
twenty six, right, but I'm off

1386
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:08,760
now right with a deal that was
made, So then I didn't get in

1387
01:37:08,840 --> 01:37:12,880
trouble for the rest of twenty twenty. Twenty twenty one hit a week after

1388
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:16,279
I graduate, or it was a
week after I graduated. Okay, So

1389
01:37:16,359 --> 01:37:24,199
we're talking like June early July.
I was sitting in parking lot. I

1390
01:37:24,239 --> 01:37:27,720
had just came from a shooting.
I was editing in my vehicle when I

1391
01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:30,119
discovered that the vehicle was like rubbing
on this engine, like stuck on the

1392
01:37:30,159 --> 01:37:36,880
gas on Elmwood at the Elmwood and
wherever. That's the pooling thing. Was

1393
01:37:38,439 --> 01:37:41,840
the some guy, random guy that
was sitting there so with me. You

1394
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:44,760
know, I'm seeing smoking out of
the vehicle. Now I'm like, what's

1395
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:47,840
going on. I'm knock on the
window and it looks like the guys like

1396
01:37:48,279 --> 01:37:51,399
the cars this summertime. So the
inside of this vehicle is not foggy,

1397
01:37:51,479 --> 01:37:55,319
and I'm like, okay, this
is interesting because it's summertime. I'm knock

1398
01:37:55,359 --> 01:37:58,640
on the door and the guy's like
summed over, like not breathing. It

1399
01:37:58,720 --> 01:38:00,920
appeared to be it was an overdose, so you know, I'll try to

1400
01:38:00,239 --> 01:38:03,560
give medical treatment. I called nine
one one immediately. I said, I

1401
01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:11,039
need immediate. This guy needs a
medical assistance immediately. He's not responding.

1402
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:15,319
Fire emails come save this man's life. They saved this man's life. And

1403
01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:20,319
police show up. They see a
taser on my side and they say is

1404
01:38:20,359 --> 01:38:24,840
this a taser? So I give
the taser to them. While they're saving

1405
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:27,560
this man's life. The paramedican fire
is saying, you know you saved this

1406
01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:29,560
man's life. You know, if
you weren't hit, this man would have

1407
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:34,640
died. Fire emails left to see
and I'm talking to police officer. I'm

1408
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:36,800
like, well, am I getting
my taser back? Now? Hands mind

1409
01:38:36,840 --> 01:38:43,199
you back. You're underrest because you
had a weapon. But it's not lethal

1410
01:38:43,479 --> 01:38:46,279
force, is it? The taser
is not lethal force? No, that

1411
01:38:46,359 --> 01:38:49,880
was arrested just for the taser.
Are you not allowed? Did you know?

1412
01:38:50,039 --> 01:38:54,840
They? I don't think because New
York state laws with tasers are so

1413
01:38:55,119 --> 01:38:59,079
different. Yeah, but what's probation? So even if I was, I

1414
01:38:59,119 --> 01:39:01,840
would have never been a rested if
it weren't for probation. No, no,

1415
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:03,680
no, no, no no,
no, I wouldn't. I wouldn't

1416
01:39:03,680 --> 01:39:08,199
have been arrested if the penal laws
were that should be updated in New York.

1417
01:39:08,279 --> 01:39:12,960
So I think a state judge had
striked it down, seeing it's unconstitutional

1418
01:39:14,359 --> 01:39:19,439
to with whole tasers from the citizens. So I end up was taken into

1419
01:39:19,479 --> 01:39:21,800
custody. So mind you. So
they gave me the parents ticket at the

1420
01:39:21,880 --> 01:39:26,279
scene, they took my taser,
gave me the parent ticket. About three

1421
01:39:26,319 --> 01:39:29,960
days later, my house is surrounded. Jeffrey Rodgers, come out, you

1422
01:39:30,039 --> 01:39:33,199
have a warant for your arrest probation. The judge says, she wants you,

1423
01:39:33,319 --> 01:39:38,039
she wants you in custody. So
I ended up doing two weeks in

1424
01:39:38,119 --> 01:39:42,159
jail twenty twenty one. I was
released in July eighth. I think July

1425
01:39:42,319 --> 01:39:46,119
eighth was I or I was released
a little bit after July eighth. And

1426
01:39:47,439 --> 01:39:51,720
where do you do your time?
Jail? How bad is that? What?

1427
01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:56,079
It was? Pandemic? So no, inmates can't react with any tea

1428
01:39:57,159 --> 01:40:00,279
right, So it was like you're
sending us all day during the pendmic.

1429
01:40:00,439 --> 01:40:01,399
Yeah, that was it. You
get your food and that was it.

1430
01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:04,000
I was just watching like the news
on the tablets they gave you there.

1431
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:11,319
So I was released. Didn't get
in trouble for the whole twenty twenty two.

1432
01:40:11,479 --> 01:40:14,800
What do your parents say about all
this shit? You know, they're

1433
01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:16,319
they're like, you need to settle. They're afraid for me. They're always

1434
01:40:16,319 --> 01:40:18,479
afraid. They've been afraid for me
since I was right out there riding my

1435
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:26,279
bicycle. Took rime sere. Yeah. Sure, So I didn't get in

1436
01:40:26,359 --> 01:40:29,159
trouble for the whole twenty twenty two
and twenty twenty two. I was actually

1437
01:40:29,319 --> 01:40:31,560
my career was going like gut.
I went to the Buffalo mass shooting.

1438
01:40:32,079 --> 01:40:38,079
Everything was going good, twenty twenty
three hits and this where things become rocky.

1439
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:45,399
So April I got into a dispute
with a girlfriend. So we end

1440
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:51,359
up charging each other and then charging
each other with what as salt. Yeah,

1441
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:57,039
you lay hands on each other.
I don't want to go into details,

1442
01:40:57,119 --> 01:41:01,760
but we I mean, it's popular
record, but things happened. The

1443
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:06,000
little dispute happened. But thankfully,
you know, we resolved it. So

1444
01:41:06,319 --> 01:41:10,279
we pressed charges on each other.
So that was it. That was a

1445
01:41:10,359 --> 01:41:15,760
violation. So the judge of probation. So the judge seeing that, and

1446
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:18,199
then she's like, well, I've
been following you, young man. I'm

1447
01:41:18,279 --> 01:41:20,520
not going to take you into custoder
this time. She let me find my

1448
01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:27,199
kiss from the outside. And then
in June, I was shot at by

1449
01:41:27,239 --> 01:41:29,920
the key boys. They surround a
vehicle, chased me all the way near

1450
01:41:30,039 --> 01:41:33,119
the blocks until I got to the
police station, where then I was arrested

1451
01:41:33,199 --> 01:41:36,760
again for having a taser. I
went in her screaming and crying, asking

1452
01:41:36,840 --> 01:41:40,279
for help. I just got shot
at. There's bulleholds in my vehicle.

1453
01:41:41,119 --> 01:41:43,479
Uh, and I was arrested.
Pensions, put your hands, bunch of

1454
01:41:43,560 --> 01:41:47,159
back. You're arrested for this having
a staser. This is it. I

1455
01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:54,840
don't know what to say. What
So are teasers? Can you look that

1456
01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:59,119
up? So they are legal?
They are legal, and they are legal

1457
01:41:59,720 --> 01:42:04,159
or illegal legal, So they're legal
and there's some loop poles around it.

1458
01:42:04,199 --> 01:42:09,840
That's how I was able to win
my cases so now at this point,

1459
01:42:10,119 --> 01:42:14,439
but okay, so when you say
win your cases, that that's an attorney

1460
01:42:15,119 --> 01:42:17,479
that's doing that. For you.
Yeah, so where's that money coming from?

1461
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:20,640
These are public defenders who are following
these mon I've never even seen the

1462
01:42:20,640 --> 01:42:30,439
public defender work that good ever,
they did incredible. I'm like, are

1463
01:42:30,479 --> 01:42:33,479
you who's paying you? On the
side. My instant, my instant thought

1464
01:42:34,079 --> 01:42:40,119
when I hear this is one of
the biggest, big complaints. And I

1465
01:42:40,199 --> 01:42:44,119
don't know. I'm a white guy. I'm a white middle aged guy.

1466
01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:48,159
I am I am the the enemy
of the world, right, isn't that

1467
01:42:48,239 --> 01:42:54,039
what it is? I'm the toxic
masculinity, I am the what So my

1468
01:42:54,279 --> 01:42:58,920
instant thing is okay, But there's
lots of people who are very upset that

1469
01:42:59,079 --> 01:43:04,560
some of the key boys were arrested
and immediately released back to steal more cars,

1470
01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:10,560
cause more problems, cause kill each
other, kill each other. K

1471
01:43:11,199 --> 01:43:15,119
and we're gonna stop a kid who
was asking for help and get them for

1472
01:43:15,199 --> 01:43:18,479
a taser. Yeah. So then
I was arrested for that taser. Uh.

1473
01:43:18,680 --> 01:43:20,520
They gave me the appearance ticket,
but this time they took all of

1474
01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:23,760
my They took all of my weapons
this time, so they took my pocket

1475
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:26,560
knife, my mace, and taser, which I was still on probation.

1476
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:30,680
I was not allowed to my probation
officer would extress this, You're not allowed

1477
01:43:30,680 --> 01:43:34,439
to have this. So I found
out that why don't you listen? I

1478
01:43:34,520 --> 01:43:38,000
was scared. I was right,
and I've been stabbed and shot at three

1479
01:43:38,039 --> 01:43:42,960
times. Yeah, and I'm absolutely
stabbed you. So I was set up

1480
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:47,239
on North Kinlind Avenue. I was
stabbed at fifteen years old or fifteen sixteen

1481
01:43:47,319 --> 01:43:50,279
years old? Or did they stabbed
you in your belly? Yeah? They

1482
01:43:50,359 --> 01:43:55,399
gave me a cut on my arm, stabbed me in my arm, and

1483
01:43:56,399 --> 01:43:59,560
somebody came up and before I think
they were gonna kill me. I feel

1484
01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:01,720
like person only I feel like but
somebody must have been watching from this guy

1485
01:44:01,760 --> 01:44:08,000
from watching from the neighborhood, and
he had pulled up, like because we

1486
01:44:08,079 --> 01:44:12,479
were behind the apartments. Why do
you think they wanted to kill you?

1487
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:15,039
Because they noticed me from school,
They noticed me from school, and they

1488
01:44:15,119 --> 01:44:17,560
noticed me as a snitch somebody who
works with the cops, somebod who they're

1489
01:44:17,560 --> 01:44:21,760
talking to police. So that was
the right. How bad are the gangs

1490
01:44:23,199 --> 01:44:27,640
in How bad? Let me rephrase
that, is there a lot of gang

1491
01:44:27,720 --> 01:44:31,800
activity. There's a lot of unorganized
the gang activity very unorganized. It's not

1492
01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:38,600
like an organized CPS type thing.
Gangs here are very unorganized. You have

1493
01:44:38,720 --> 01:44:41,760
gang members who are switching back and
forth. This is a new era of

1494
01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:46,720
gangs. So and I do a
lot whichever gang has the hotter chicks.

1495
01:44:47,720 --> 01:44:50,560
I don't know how. I mean, I do a lot of Like I've

1496
01:44:50,600 --> 01:44:55,039
been doing a lot of digging about
the gang activity here, and a lot

1497
01:44:55,119 --> 01:44:58,359
of a lot of gang members are
not really loyal to their gangs anymore.

1498
01:44:59,359 --> 01:45:02,800
So there's a new But when you
go out and you report that you're putting

1499
01:45:02,840 --> 01:45:08,760
yourself at risk, absolutely people deserve
to hear stories. What about your family?

1500
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:11,119
Don't do you live with your family? Nobody's going to come after my

1501
01:45:11,239 --> 01:45:15,119
family. No, but I mean
they wouldn't. Okay, I don't think

1502
01:45:15,119 --> 01:45:17,439
anybody's gonna come up from Faim Definitely
me though, I'm saying that, definitely

1503
01:45:17,479 --> 01:45:21,560
somebody wants to pull the go I'm
saying if there's a drive by, if

1504
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:25,319
I you know, if somebody sees
somebody in the car and it's a drive

1505
01:45:25,359 --> 01:45:28,600
by, someone's in the car with
you. I don't drive them all with

1506
01:45:28,640 --> 01:45:30,920
people. And I tend to not
drive them all with people. I don't

1507
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:33,279
want to look. I don't I
certainly don't want to put ideas anybody said.

1508
01:45:33,319 --> 01:45:38,840
This is just very strange to me, because one is there is I

1509
01:45:39,079 --> 01:45:43,760
don't think anybody's really covering what's happening
in the in the city of Rochester.

1510
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:46,479
I have a big belief that as
the city goes, so go the suburbs.

1511
01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:50,079
In other words, the city is
really would be the epicenter of our

1512
01:45:50,119 --> 01:45:54,279
economics and everything. And for a
long time was you had Kodak, Bausan

1513
01:45:54,359 --> 01:45:57,640
Lom and all these things that were
really funding in the arts and all that

1514
01:45:57,800 --> 01:46:00,640
was coming out of the city.
It's not so much now. And I

1515
01:46:00,680 --> 01:46:05,119
think that people are often afraid to
go down there because of sometimes stories that

1516
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:11,880
don't really aren't real. But yet
other times we just keep hearing the conscious

1517
01:46:11,920 --> 01:46:14,600
of people say, well, I'd
rather not go there. It sounds folent,

1518
01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:18,000
it gets scary. Yeah, I
think, you know, just working

1519
01:46:18,039 --> 01:46:21,960
in the streets and I do a
lot of community engagement, So I would

1520
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:26,119
get up my car, I would
either walk down North Clinton Avenue, Jefferson

1521
01:46:26,159 --> 01:46:29,680
Avenue, Childlie Avenue. How you
doing today, I'm Jeffrey Rogers reporter.

1522
01:46:30,039 --> 01:46:31,920
Most of the neighborhoods know me.
I grew up in these neighborhoods. So

1523
01:46:32,680 --> 01:46:38,439
I have a closer relationship with a
lot of high profile gang members, people

1524
01:46:38,479 --> 01:46:43,399
who sell drugs, and I talk
to them. I would like to call

1525
01:46:43,479 --> 01:46:49,439
those people entrepreneurs and people who sell
drugs. I mean they're doing a business

1526
01:46:49,560 --> 01:46:55,279
and I guess so, and in
some people's minds, I'm not gonna lite

1527
01:46:55,279 --> 01:46:58,239
to you. There was one time
where I walked into a building. It

1528
01:46:58,319 --> 01:47:01,439
was a trap building. They were
selling croke cocaine right in front of my

1529
01:47:01,560 --> 01:47:06,439
eyes, and they trusted me that
much. This happened this summer. Well,

1530
01:47:08,239 --> 01:47:12,239
they were selling cocaine right in front
of my eyes, and I'm like,

1531
01:47:12,359 --> 01:47:15,319
I can't believe they trust me like
this. They cooked, They offered

1532
01:47:15,359 --> 01:47:24,399
me some barbecue, and at that
point I get a chicken good delicious.

1533
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:27,720
Of course it was delicious. I
had to make sure I had no cocone,

1534
01:47:27,800 --> 01:47:32,720
but it was delicious. They put
a little on the barbecue, so

1535
01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:36,680
it gives it that kick. But
I had that type of a relationship with

1536
01:47:36,720 --> 01:47:41,079
people in the neighborhood. And so
if you have that type of relationship,

1537
01:47:41,159 --> 01:47:44,760
people trust you with more information,
they trust you more and more and more.

1538
01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:48,079
Do you want to stay here though? This is this is not the

1539
01:47:48,239 --> 01:47:50,479
end road. I mean maybe if
I have a big break here, I

1540
01:47:50,600 --> 01:47:54,760
might stay, but you know,
me being in the next few years,

1541
01:47:54,760 --> 01:47:57,680
I see myself probably in a bigger
city doing what I did. Well,

1542
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:01,680
why have you tried? I've had
job offers. Do you send do you

1543
01:48:01,800 --> 01:48:04,920
send your stuff out? Ever?
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I've had

1544
01:48:05,079 --> 01:48:09,840
job offers, but they were shutting
me down, shutting me down or not

1545
01:48:09,960 --> 01:48:14,800
worth it. They were shutting you
down. In what I can no longer

1546
01:48:14,960 --> 01:48:19,479
speak on GSL news, that was
like you have to set that off in

1547
01:48:19,680 --> 01:48:24,239
order to work for them, right, Okay, yeah, well that but

1548
01:48:24,439 --> 01:48:27,039
you understand that it would be competition, right, and that that was in

1549
01:48:27,199 --> 01:48:30,479
me. So you want to keep
that, so that that's what you want

1550
01:48:30,479 --> 01:48:32,439
to grow. You don't want to
go somewhere else. You want I want

1551
01:48:32,439 --> 01:48:36,399
to go somewhere else, maybe temporarily, but oh I'm always going to be

1552
01:48:36,720 --> 01:48:40,000
If we did this, what if
what if we did this? Listen to

1553
01:48:40,079 --> 01:48:43,960
me, What if you did this? What if you had GSL here and

1554
01:48:44,039 --> 01:48:46,399
then you went up and set up
another shop and found another person like you

1555
01:48:46,640 --> 01:48:53,920
who had the same oh my gosh
passion immediately, then we have GSL Chicago

1556
01:48:54,039 --> 01:48:59,239
and GSL. I'm doing that GSL, but nobody's just passionate Syracuse, you

1557
01:48:59,279 --> 01:49:01,880
know what I mean. Nobody's that
passionate and that's my idea. Yeah,

1558
01:49:02,199 --> 01:49:05,399
well, no one's ever going to
be as passionate about your idea as you,

1559
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:09,560
right, But nobody's like it.
Nobody has the vision that I have.

1560
01:49:10,039 --> 01:49:12,439
They don't, they're not, and
you can't expect that, and you

1561
01:49:12,560 --> 01:49:14,920
can't. I think that's You've got
to find the people. But there are

1562
01:49:14,960 --> 01:49:17,520
people out there that will have that
do something better than you do it,

1563
01:49:18,319 --> 01:49:21,279
which is right. There may be
somebody who can edit faster than you and

1564
01:49:21,399 --> 01:49:26,880
there's maybe and those kind of people
you can find over time. I just

1565
01:49:27,479 --> 01:49:30,199
I like the hustle. I hate
hearing the I don't like the stories of

1566
01:49:33,640 --> 01:49:38,359
I don'tlways say this. I think
that because you're a black kid, it

1567
01:49:38,399 --> 01:49:42,680
works against you sometimes. I think
so too. I mean, I don't

1568
01:49:42,680 --> 01:49:45,680
know how else to say it.
And I'll tell you what the bullshit that

1569
01:49:45,720 --> 01:49:48,520
people say often is we need to
have a discussion about race problem. Is

1570
01:49:48,600 --> 01:49:51,199
that when we hear of a young
black man that stole a police car,

1571
01:49:51,560 --> 01:49:55,960
I think, do you know what
I'm saying? And I'm just I've never

1572
01:49:56,039 --> 01:49:59,239
said this publicly, but I would. I would have never been charged with

1573
01:49:59,319 --> 01:50:01,680
a felony. They would have never
tried to charge me as an adult try

1574
01:50:01,760 --> 01:50:04,319
or charge me with a felony if
I was a white kid. I just

1575
01:50:04,439 --> 01:50:10,119
because I should have the original charge
should have been. Everybody's gonna say to

1576
01:50:10,159 --> 01:50:12,960
you, I should have been charged
with joy riding. We don't know,

1577
01:50:13,439 --> 01:50:16,039
right and to bring back put your
news head on. We don't know right,

1578
01:50:16,119 --> 01:50:18,479
well, we don't know in there, But I would say, if

1579
01:50:18,560 --> 01:50:23,680
I were putting a bet in Vegas, I bet you're right. But not

1580
01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:28,000
even that I'm saying for other news
stations who put up false information to say

1581
01:50:28,039 --> 01:50:30,279
I was pointing a gun. They
did find a BB gun inside the vehicle,

1582
01:50:30,680 --> 01:50:34,880
but they I never pointed that BB
gun. I mean, that was

1583
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:39,199
just that was bad journalism there to
say I was pointing a gun and I

1584
01:50:39,359 --> 01:50:42,760
was out there being a menace.
I was kind of being a minute.

1585
01:50:42,840 --> 01:50:45,600
So is this why then you told
us at one point this is going along?

1586
01:50:45,680 --> 01:50:51,920
But you uh that you hire armed
guards to come with you sometimes.

1587
01:50:53,039 --> 01:50:55,920
Yeah, so in the summertime,
I usually hire like an armed security the

1588
01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:59,880
ride around with me. Legit armed
security or or let me ask you,

1589
01:51:00,039 --> 01:51:01,600
and I'm I'm no, this is
a legit like if he I'm thinking I

1590
01:51:01,720 --> 01:51:10,680
might again, No, no,
I know I need somebody if they're going

1591
01:51:10,720 --> 01:51:14,720
to fire their weapon, that's a
legal they know where to shoot, right,

1592
01:51:15,520 --> 01:51:17,920
and nobody else is coming after these
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I

1593
01:51:18,039 --> 01:51:23,239
got you, I got you.
I uh yeah, I I I don't

1594
01:51:23,279 --> 01:51:25,399
mean to be that blunt, but
I don't know what else to say.

1595
01:51:25,479 --> 01:51:28,640
I think that that sometimes it works
against you. And I think then when

1596
01:51:29,199 --> 01:51:32,840
you don't speak the English the way
people want you to, that all those

1597
01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:40,680
things are a little you know,
it comes down it's it's uh racial,

1598
01:51:41,079 --> 01:51:44,520
I don't know that it's racist,
but it's racial. Yeah, And it's

1599
01:51:44,600 --> 01:51:46,319
points. It's points that people go, h, I don't know, yeah,

1600
01:51:46,479 --> 01:51:50,279
you know, and that that stuff
I think is unfair. Yeah,

1601
01:51:50,760 --> 01:51:53,840
there's a lot of things. You
don't seem to be slowed down by it,

1602
01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:56,560
though, But I want to I
want I want to get back to

1603
01:51:56,600 --> 01:52:04,520
the story before we uh continue on. Is so after my after I did

1604
01:52:04,560 --> 01:52:09,039
the three uh so, after I
was in jail as well. So I

1605
01:52:09,159 --> 01:52:12,239
was in jail. It was the
rest of the Taylor had all these charges

1606
01:52:12,359 --> 01:52:15,479
and the judge finally took me into
custody after she's seen I was continued to

1607
01:52:15,479 --> 01:52:18,760
wrack up these charge After the taser
arrest, I was sitting in jail and

1608
01:52:19,239 --> 01:52:24,840
so you were in jail when is
this? Now this is August this year

1609
01:52:24,880 --> 01:52:28,880
and you were in for how long? Three months? The longest I've did

1610
01:52:29,039 --> 01:52:32,720
in jail. And now now you
can interact with prisoners, So now we

1611
01:52:32,880 --> 01:52:38,479
can. That's where it gets interesting. You're a big dude, not at

1612
01:52:38,520 --> 01:52:44,760
all, You're kind of pretty.
So now, wow, awkward saying you

1613
01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:46,720
know what I mean? Like I'm
just saying like they probably would. You

1614
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:50,560
must have felt like you're back at
school getting in prison. Yeah, so

1615
01:52:50,880 --> 01:52:56,880
now you know a lot of people
don't understand is I did three months in

1616
01:52:56,960 --> 01:53:01,279
there, but mindu. While I
was serving my time, an officer decided

1617
01:53:01,359 --> 01:53:05,720
to slap twenty two traffic tickets on
me an additional three to other charges.

1618
01:53:06,520 --> 01:53:12,439
So I found out about that the
first full month I was there, attruction

1619
01:53:12,560 --> 01:53:19,479
of government, driving with a suspended
license and driving with a suspended license,

1620
01:53:19,640 --> 01:53:25,319
and the other charge was a structional
government driving a suspended license and out fleeing

1621
01:53:25,359 --> 01:53:30,159
from police. So with the twenty
two driving tickets, And basically this officer

1622
01:53:30,239 --> 01:53:33,880
said that I drove off. I
took off from them. I had a

1623
01:53:33,880 --> 01:53:38,880
short police chase and I was driving
with a suspended license, which I was

1624
01:53:39,000 --> 01:53:42,239
driving with suspended license, and the
reason why I was driving was the suspended

1625
01:53:42,319 --> 01:53:45,520
license was because the key boys decided
to run into my vehicle. So the

1626
01:53:45,640 --> 01:53:49,159
traffic tickets that I got was for
the damage that was already on my vehicle.

1627
01:53:50,119 --> 01:53:54,319
So it kind of kept me in
this loophole. And I was like,

1628
01:53:54,399 --> 01:53:57,319
this is an unfair system. Keyboards
smashed into my vehicle. Do this

1629
01:53:57,439 --> 01:54:00,600
much damage to my vehicle? I
get tickets for it? Why are you

1630
01:54:00,640 --> 01:54:02,199
getting tickets for it? Because you
can't move it from somewhere. No,

1631
01:54:02,279 --> 01:54:05,279
because the damage was like you know, there's no back headlights. I guess,

1632
01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:09,039
okay, okay, so you didn't
pass inspection, right, it wasn't

1633
01:54:09,039 --> 01:54:13,039
deck cars never passed inspection. Here's
the here's the other problem though. Now

1634
01:54:13,119 --> 01:54:15,039
those kind of things I think would
happen to anybody, right, do you

1635
01:54:15,119 --> 01:54:18,560
understand what I'm saying? No matter
what shade no, right, right,

1636
01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:21,960
So they gave me both so that
he gave me those tickets. But some

1637
01:54:23,159 --> 01:54:28,359
of this is just to me,
young man arrogance mine, Yeah, I

1638
01:54:28,439 --> 01:54:30,039
had too much arrogance, or yeah, some of it, some of it?

1639
01:54:30,119 --> 01:54:32,119
Now, hold on, hold on, let me explain, God,

1640
01:54:32,319 --> 01:54:34,680
let me explain why. Let me
explain. You're not the first to say

1641
01:54:34,720 --> 01:54:38,880
this thought. Let me let me
explain why. And when I say that

1642
01:54:39,119 --> 01:54:42,399
I was a young man, yeah, I did the same thing. I

1643
01:54:42,520 --> 01:54:45,760
ignored tickets. I got on the
radio once and thanked an officer for not

1644
01:54:45,840 --> 01:54:47,319
showing up at court and saving me
four hundred and seventy five dollars. You

1645
01:54:47,359 --> 01:54:50,319
know what happened to me Every day
I drove home from doing a midnight to

1646
01:54:50,359 --> 01:54:55,760
six am radio shift, I got
pulled over every day. I got tickets

1647
01:54:55,800 --> 01:54:58,600
for loud muffler. I didn't have
a loud muffler. I got tickets.

1648
01:54:58,800 --> 01:55:01,159
Oh so because you said on air? Yes? So my point with you

1649
01:55:01,319 --> 01:55:04,279
never sir, No, no,
no, no. I understand when I

1650
01:55:04,359 --> 01:55:08,359
say young man arrogance, I'm not
saying you're arrogant. I'm saying, like,

1651
01:55:08,520 --> 01:55:11,920
it's this thing of I gotta go
do this thing, and even though

1652
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:15,199
my car won't pass inspection, I'm
still going to cover the story. I'm

1653
01:55:15,279 --> 01:55:19,079
driving that that's the young man arrogance. I'm talking about almost as though the

1654
01:55:19,199 --> 01:55:23,760
law doesn't apply to you. Do
you understand what I'm saying? Okay,

1655
01:55:23,840 --> 01:55:27,000
that's what I mean. You've taken
a nerve of you know, just I'm

1656
01:55:27,000 --> 01:55:29,439
not gonna love it though, I'm
not trying to make it. I'm not

1657
01:55:29,520 --> 01:55:32,600
trying to make you mad. I'm
not what I'm saying is I My point

1658
01:55:32,720 --> 01:55:38,319
is, I did it. I
did it. So I'm thirty years older

1659
01:55:38,359 --> 01:55:41,760
than you. I see what this
is. You're hungry, you don't give

1660
01:55:41,800 --> 01:55:44,800
a crap. You're gonna go do
whatever you want to do, right,

1661
01:55:45,319 --> 01:55:47,600
and you gotta do this. But
your car's banged up, right, well,

1662
01:55:47,640 --> 01:55:51,359
that is going to get you tickets. And then if you're under probate,

1663
01:55:51,439 --> 01:55:56,720
if you're on probation already for what
is kind of a silly thing.

1664
01:55:57,920 --> 01:56:00,880
Maybe not, but whatever that let's
just say. But either way, the

1665
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:04,479
system guy, you're under probation,
you probably shouldn't have you know, you

1666
01:56:04,479 --> 01:56:06,560
shouldn't have the pepper spray. You
know, you shouldn't have the knife.

1667
01:56:06,600 --> 01:56:10,079
I don't know about the taser.
I would think that that also falls into

1668
01:56:10,119 --> 01:56:14,720
that category. Okay, so now
all those things, but again I will

1669
01:56:14,800 --> 01:56:18,079
call it young man arrogance in that, Hey, f your rules. I'm

1670
01:56:18,159 --> 01:56:20,960
doing my job. I'm not harming
anybody. It's not like I'm out here

1671
01:56:21,039 --> 01:56:24,920
stealing Kias. It's not like I'm
out here. That's what I'm saying.

1672
01:56:25,199 --> 01:56:29,920
Please don't take that as me being
mean. So I had to realize I

1673
01:56:30,039 --> 01:56:31,119
was doing that, and I've been
knew I was doing it because people always

1674
01:56:31,119 --> 01:56:35,079
tell I'm arrogant and such. Well, it's not arrogant. Arrogant is like

1675
01:56:35,399 --> 01:56:39,039
you're better than anybody. I don't
get that impression from you. You don't

1676
01:56:39,039 --> 01:56:42,640
act like you're better than anybody.
But what I think is when it comes

1677
01:56:42,680 --> 01:56:45,239
to the law, you're you're hard
headed, you want to do it.

1678
01:56:46,319 --> 01:56:48,600
Yes, you want to do what
you want to do. You want to

1679
01:56:48,680 --> 01:56:51,680
cover the news. And if your
car's banged up and it wasn't your fall,

1680
01:56:51,920 --> 01:56:56,479
well f these guys. I'm driving
anyway because the Kia boys did it.

1681
01:56:56,680 --> 01:56:59,680
And I understand that, and I
know that thinking because I thought the

1682
01:56:59,760 --> 01:57:02,760
SAME's me. Want to know what, I'm white, you're black. We're

1683
01:57:02,920 --> 01:57:11,159
human. That's my point. We're
human. And so there is the thing.

1684
01:57:12,159 --> 01:57:15,760
Unfortunately, sometimes you got to rein
it in in order to get ahead,

1685
01:57:15,800 --> 01:57:17,520
you got to take a step back, right and and sort of play

1686
01:57:17,560 --> 01:57:20,399
by the rules. I hated playing
by the rules. I hated it.

1687
01:57:20,520 --> 01:57:26,159
I don't like the rules. I
hate exactly. That's why you're better off

1688
01:57:26,239 --> 01:57:30,039
being independent. But at the same
time, when it comes to the law,

1689
01:57:30,720 --> 01:57:33,079
it just keeps getting more more expensive. Now here's where it gets interesting.

1690
01:57:33,399 --> 01:57:38,279
And you've done time in jail,
right, So now I'm so after

1691
01:57:38,399 --> 01:57:42,119
that they didn't have enough evidence to
prove against me, seeing that Polota from

1692
01:57:42,199 --> 01:57:45,319
there was nobody can footage that was
dismissed. That case was dismissed. Not

1693
01:57:45,399 --> 01:57:47,720
only was it that case dismissed,
girlfriend never showed up to court that was

1694
01:57:47,760 --> 01:57:53,000
dismissed. Taser has found out to
be legal. So not only did they

1695
01:57:53,199 --> 01:57:56,560
the case was dismissed, but they
had to give me back all of my

1696
01:57:56,640 --> 01:58:00,880
items. They took my two tasers
all these cases. And then I made

1697
01:58:00,920 --> 01:58:04,199
a deal with the court system to
do a payment plan to get the license

1698
01:58:04,239 --> 01:58:09,680
of suspending. Then after that I
was released and I asked what the total

1699
01:58:09,760 --> 01:58:13,640
cost of that was from New York
State. So I'm probably playing about fifteen

1700
01:58:13,680 --> 01:58:17,359
hundred dollars worth of tickets. Damn. So they dropped all those tickets,

1701
01:58:17,439 --> 01:58:21,520
but they're talking about their twenty two
traffic ticket they dropped. But the previous

1702
01:58:21,520 --> 01:58:25,520
tickets I never paid. I still
got to pay the rights there, and

1703
01:58:25,600 --> 01:58:28,600
there's fines on top of fine.
You don't pay them. So I'm on

1704
01:58:28,680 --> 01:58:31,720
a penny plane. Are you wonder
how arrogant I was? You know,

1705
01:58:31,800 --> 01:58:35,439
the High Falls area. Just to
show you what, I know what I'm

1706
01:58:35,479 --> 01:58:38,960
talking about when I say this stuff, and I don't want you to think

1707
01:58:39,000 --> 01:58:43,119
I mean, yeah, I'm not
picking on you. There was a so

1708
01:58:43,680 --> 01:58:47,319
I worked for a radio station in
the High Falls upper They had their studios

1709
01:58:47,359 --> 01:58:53,319
there. They somebody screwed up my
parking for the garage, so I go,

1710
01:58:53,520 --> 01:58:55,720
screw it. And I used to
pull up and I would park right

1711
01:58:55,720 --> 01:58:58,560
in front of the studio door.
Every day at eight o'clock they would come

1712
01:58:58,600 --> 01:59:00,800
around and put a parking ticket out
there, and every day I go this,

1713
01:59:01,239 --> 01:59:04,000
did they put a boot on there? Finally I got so many boots

1714
01:59:04,920 --> 01:59:09,239
and so many fines. I never
got a boot. I'm sure I pay

1715
01:59:09,319 --> 01:59:14,159
my parking. That's one thing about
me. Because I know I'm not parking.

1716
01:59:14,239 --> 01:59:15,840
They can put a boot, but
you know what that is. I

1717
01:59:15,960 --> 01:59:18,399
just like to think. I don't
think I'm better than anybody. But that's

1718
01:59:18,560 --> 01:59:24,000
arrogance. That's arrogance that I had. That's what I'm talking about. So

1719
01:59:24,119 --> 01:59:28,479
what I'm saying to you was like, you gotta be careful because you know

1720
01:59:28,720 --> 01:59:31,720
you've already they've already put you in
jail, right, so for ship that

1721
01:59:31,920 --> 01:59:35,560
most people shouldn't be in jail for, right, So when the jails are

1722
01:59:35,600 --> 01:59:40,239
crowded and we've got all this other
ko why it was ridiculous. And then

1723
01:59:40,279 --> 01:59:45,840
after that, so I was released
in November. I started working about five

1724
01:59:45,920 --> 01:59:47,680
days after I was out, like
really pushing it hard. I'm at this

1725
01:59:47,800 --> 01:59:53,960
police chase and the first week of
December and I have body cam foot the

1726
01:59:54,000 --> 01:59:56,720
chicks because I wear about I remember
my own equipment to I wear a vest

1727
01:59:57,319 --> 02:00:00,600
body cam and I saw it.
Is that a bulletproof vest? Yes?

1728
02:00:00,680 --> 02:00:06,800
That is level four. So literally
I'm at this police chase. I'm taking

1729
02:00:08,119 --> 02:00:12,600
a war zone. This Rochester is
a war zone. So then I'm at

1730
02:00:12,640 --> 02:00:16,840
this crime scene and there's now four
police officers standing behind me and I hear

1731
02:00:16,880 --> 02:00:19,560
them whispering. I should have never
said it, but I said, are

1732
02:00:19,560 --> 02:00:24,239
you guys planning to arrest me again
instead of thinking about it. They Instead

1733
02:00:24,239 --> 02:00:27,760
they were thinking about it this taser
again, the teaser that the DA's office

1734
02:00:27,800 --> 02:00:29,560
had to give me back, and
they had gave me back because I won

1735
02:00:29,640 --> 02:00:32,000
the case. So it's becoming this
loophole of now I'm not able to protect

1736
02:00:32,000 --> 02:00:34,760
myself. They're trying to arrest me
for something else again. Yeah, and

1737
02:00:34,800 --> 02:00:40,000
then they're threatening me with the car
and I don't know, maybe some officer.

1738
02:00:40,239 --> 02:00:42,760
There's a lot of officers who love
me and support me, and I

1739
02:00:42,840 --> 02:00:46,560
support them too, but there's a
lot of officers who may not like there

1740
02:00:46,880 --> 02:00:49,800
like me too much of the scree
what I do. Yeah, I don't

1741
02:00:49,840 --> 02:00:54,039
know. I can't speak to that. I would just say that Unfortunately,

1742
02:00:54,119 --> 02:00:57,439
there are rules, and when you
break the rules, there are some people

1743
02:00:57,560 --> 02:01:01,039
that can look beyond it and say, this is really what do we what

1744
02:01:01,119 --> 02:01:03,520
do we call it? Like?
You know, you can kind of have

1745
02:01:03,640 --> 02:01:08,119
a judge look at it and go, well, this isn't exactly by the

1746
02:01:08,199 --> 02:01:12,319
letter of the law. Warning don't
do it again, right right, And

1747
02:01:12,439 --> 02:01:16,199
that happened a few times. This
is it for me, This is where

1748
02:01:16,840 --> 02:01:19,520
what I'm not going to jet again? Well, I hope not. This

1749
02:01:19,720 --> 02:01:24,880
is that was it for me?
I think? But the thing that I

1750
02:01:25,000 --> 02:01:27,520
had to do was but do you
think that that I had to sit next

1751
02:01:27,560 --> 02:01:32,760
to murderers. I did stories on
every single day for ninety days. Yeah,

1752
02:01:33,560 --> 02:01:36,600
I had to do it for ninety
days. What is it like?

1753
02:01:36,760 --> 02:01:41,800
How's it? I feel like we
should have you back for another episode.

1754
02:01:41,920 --> 02:01:43,840
Definitely got to have you back.
When can we do that? Yes?

1755
02:01:44,039 --> 02:01:45,960
Well, just one of these days. How do we do this? Just

1756
02:01:46,079 --> 02:01:48,000
call me? I'm here. What
do we do? We do it tomorrow?

1757
02:01:48,039 --> 02:01:50,800
We could do it even on the
phone with you tomorrow, bad day.

1758
02:01:51,079 --> 02:01:53,880
Oh yeah, we definitely could do
it on the phone. Yeah,

1759
02:01:53,920 --> 02:01:56,319
maybe I'll call you that way.
You're not coming all the way back out

1760
02:01:56,319 --> 02:02:00,880
here. Yeah, But because I
want to hear more about I'll ask you

1761
02:02:00,000 --> 02:02:02,920
this and we'll we'll leave it here, because I do want to go into

1762
02:02:04,119 --> 02:02:08,600
you feel like you don't have a
good relationship with the mayor of this city?

1763
02:02:09,279 --> 02:02:16,960
Yes, yeah, and I wonder
how much you think you're your indiscretions,

1764
02:02:17,119 --> 02:02:20,039
I'll call him. I don't know. But the things that have happened

1765
02:02:20,039 --> 02:02:23,680
over the years, right and again, we I talked about patterns with the

1766
02:02:23,720 --> 02:02:28,479
people on Epstein's list right, people
who had a propensity for a high sexual

1767
02:02:28,560 --> 02:02:31,119
appetite. Maybe, Oh my god, do you understand what I'm saying?

1768
02:02:31,359 --> 02:02:33,880
Every time he says that, it's
like makes my stomach hart like, oh

1769
02:02:33,960 --> 02:02:36,560
my, well, I don't mean
it like that. People usually I can't

1770
02:02:36,560 --> 02:02:41,279
really, I just can't believe this
this is going on. I just thought

1771
02:02:41,479 --> 02:02:44,760
the thought of, you know,
sex is sex feels good. The thought

1772
02:02:44,800 --> 02:02:47,720
of people like getting raped, and
yes, well that stuff is awful,

1773
02:02:48,239 --> 02:02:53,359
awful. But my point is when
there's a pattern and they start to go,

1774
02:02:53,439 --> 02:02:56,680
well, he was arrested for the
car thing, and then he violated

1775
02:02:56,720 --> 02:03:00,239
his probation, and then he violated
his probation again, and then he ACKed

1776
02:03:00,319 --> 02:03:02,680
up all these tickets, and then
he did this. And what I think

1777
02:03:02,880 --> 02:03:05,560
I see you as is, hey
man, I'm just trying to do a

1778
02:03:05,640 --> 02:03:10,000
job. I didn't use the taser
on anybody. I saved a guy's life

1779
02:03:10,039 --> 02:03:14,079
from a drug overdose. Do you
I get I believe me when I say

1780
02:03:14,159 --> 02:03:16,039
to you, I get what's going
on. I get what's going on.

1781
02:03:16,399 --> 02:03:18,680
What are people saying? They say
nasty shit about me? Nah, people

1782
02:03:18,680 --> 02:03:21,960
are cool. People are cool,
especially on this one. But that that's

1783
02:03:23,039 --> 02:03:25,880
my only that's that's my thing.
But I want to know, like in

1784
02:03:26,479 --> 02:03:30,720
jail, how uncomfortable is it because
you got to go shower, Yes,

1785
02:03:30,960 --> 02:03:39,399
with everybody shower for like the first
I didn't shower for like the first four

1786
02:03:39,479 --> 02:03:48,239
or five days though there sure nervous, not nervous, but it's just one

1787
02:03:48,359 --> 02:03:51,439
room, right. I was so
depressed I couldn't even really talk to people

1788
02:03:51,479 --> 02:03:56,159
that much. But once I started
coming up, people were like, is

1789
02:03:56,239 --> 02:03:59,720
that it's not the newsboy? You
just did a story on me. I

1790
02:03:59,760 --> 02:04:05,439
thought so. The guys were kind
of like welcoming, welcoming, welcoming to

1791
02:04:05,560 --> 02:04:10,880
me, And you know, I
had a lot of protection in there,

1792
02:04:10,920 --> 02:04:13,840
but I did had get into multiple
fights while I was in there. I've

1793
02:04:13,880 --> 02:04:15,840
never even been into fights before,
so I had to learned how to fight

1794
02:04:15,920 --> 02:04:18,239
in there, and I had to
work out in there to try to build

1795
02:04:18,279 --> 02:04:25,359
my muscle up to defend myself.
I was denied productive right in mental crowning.

1796
02:04:25,439 --> 02:04:29,319
I was deny protective custody, which
was like, awhile I didn't get

1797
02:04:29,319 --> 02:04:30,520
any they said, there was no
way we're gonna be able to protect you

1798
02:04:30,600 --> 02:04:34,359
because we've done so many stories.
So they were and these guys wanted to

1799
02:04:34,399 --> 02:04:36,840
beat you up. Right, The
only way I was going to get protective

1800
02:04:36,880 --> 02:04:41,000
custody is were I was gonna have
to stay in my cell all day,

1801
02:04:41,159 --> 02:04:45,159
and I'm not doing that. So
did they? Who? Who? Anybody?

1802
02:04:45,239 --> 02:04:47,039
Beat you up? But I got
into I wouldn't say beat me up.

1803
02:04:47,039 --> 02:04:49,880
But I've definitely had some fist fights. There was fist fights. I

1804
02:04:50,079 --> 02:04:56,239
was I've been bruised and I've bruised
people. Uh, there was definitely fights.

1805
02:04:57,119 --> 02:04:59,920
But you know, I had a
box, I know how to fight.

1806
02:05:00,199 --> 02:05:01,479
No, I didn't know how to
fight that much. But now I've

1807
02:05:01,560 --> 02:05:04,479
gained, I'm getting into I want
to get into boxing. Actually, I

1808
02:05:04,640 --> 02:05:08,840
instructed something I definitely want to get
into because I'm not going to ask you

1809
02:05:08,920 --> 02:05:11,399
that. If I'm fighting somebody,
I want to knock you out. Yeah,

1810
02:05:12,840 --> 02:05:15,520
like that's my mentality. Well,
the problem is, like you know,

1811
02:05:15,560 --> 02:05:16,279
a lot of times I don't want
to play fair. I want to

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knock you out. Period. There's
the arroganferent. Well, I don't mean

1813
02:05:20,640 --> 02:05:24,640
the arrogance. You're taking it the
wrong way. I like the word arrogant.

1814
02:05:24,680 --> 02:05:26,479
I like, well, I think
you're taking it the wrong way,

1815
02:05:26,479 --> 02:05:28,279
and I don't want to No,
no, I'm not taking it the wrong

1816
02:05:28,279 --> 02:05:30,199
way. I kind of like being
called arrogant. It's not what I'm saying,

1817
02:05:30,279 --> 02:05:34,479
though you're taking it as I'm arrogance
by definition would be somebody who has

1818
02:05:34,520 --> 02:05:38,239
an air about them and thinks they're
better than other people. I don't think

1819
02:05:38,319 --> 02:05:42,560
well with you. I think you
think that sometimes these rules shouldn't apply to

1820
02:05:42,640 --> 02:05:46,079
me because it's not fair. And
I was the same guy the rules shouldn't

1821
02:05:46,079 --> 02:05:48,840
apply to me because it's not fair. All I did was say, hey,

1822
02:05:48,920 --> 02:05:51,439
thanks for saving me money, and
now you're giving me a million tickets.

1823
02:05:51,760 --> 02:05:56,600
Hey, I paid this one parking
ticket. I'm here. I came

1824
02:05:56,640 --> 02:05:59,359
out at eight oh five and they
wrote a ticket at eight o'clock. Fuck

1825
02:05:59,439 --> 02:06:03,880
them. That's arrogance for the rules, and that's what I'm saying, not

1826
02:06:04,039 --> 02:06:09,520
that you're arrogant. I need to
make sure you understand that because I am

1827
02:06:09,720 --> 02:06:13,560
very impressed by you. So people
can't see it, but I pull out

1828
02:06:13,560 --> 02:06:18,439
my badge or you see my badge, so I'm ready tell news. Yeah,

1829
02:06:18,439 --> 02:06:21,199
I like that. That's impressive.
That's always got a bad Joe.

1830
02:06:21,239 --> 02:06:24,359
You never know where the story is
gonna pop out of. Yeah, here

1831
02:06:26,039 --> 02:06:29,239
like a detective all right, we'll
close it out. I would like to

1832
02:06:29,720 --> 02:06:32,399
talk to you more about why you
think and maybe we can do maybe we

1833
02:06:32,479 --> 02:06:35,880
can do tomorrow a segment on the
phone. Yeah, definitely where we can

1834
02:06:35,960 --> 02:06:41,479
talk about and then think about this. You feel like there are people in

1835
02:06:41,680 --> 02:06:45,159
power who have been trying to silence
you. Definitely, Okay, I want

1836
02:06:45,199 --> 02:06:48,840
to feel I want to hear why
and why you think that, so this

1837
02:06:49,000 --> 02:06:53,319
becomes like a three part series now
with you. Yeah, and I'd like

1838
02:06:53,399 --> 02:06:56,439
to have you in with your mom
sometime for me you and your mom to

1839
02:06:56,520 --> 02:07:00,399
talk. Definitely, definitely, because
I'd like to hear her fears and what

1840
02:07:00,560 --> 02:07:04,720
she thinks and at the same time
how proud she probably is. See a

1841
02:07:04,800 --> 02:07:12,760
couple of old white guys ain't so
bad. Follow gs on News on everything.

1842
02:07:13,039 --> 02:07:15,720
But by the way, before we
end it, to give out all

1843
02:07:15,720 --> 02:07:18,920
the ways to your subscription all that
you can visit my website at GSO news

1844
02:07:19,039 --> 02:07:26,359
dot com and it's GSO news on
every every platform, Twitter, Facebook,

1845
02:07:26,399 --> 02:07:32,800
Instagram, TikTok and volumed me on, Jeffrey Rodgers on Twitter and follow me

1846
02:07:32,840 --> 02:07:36,119
everywhere. Ye fun biased news in
Rochester, New York and the surrounding area

1847
02:07:36,760 --> 02:07:40,640
and the surrounding areas. All right, I like it, and I would

1848
02:07:40,760 --> 02:07:43,880
like to then have you on maybe
once a week or so, even on

1849
02:07:43,960 --> 02:07:45,560
the phone or in studio if you
can make it, just to tell us

1850
02:07:46,119 --> 02:07:49,920
in studios. Yeah, well we're
good. In studio. Everybody gets a

1851
02:07:49,960 --> 02:07:54,119
little bit better because you can see
each other. There's more to communication than

1852
02:07:54,199 --> 02:07:57,760
just words, right, it's it's
a lot of body language and that stuff.

1853
02:07:58,239 --> 02:08:01,159
I hope you liked being on here. I love it. I love

1854
02:08:01,239 --> 02:08:03,520
it. I love it. All
right. Well, I hope you enjoyed

1855
02:08:03,520 --> 02:08:05,560
it, and I would like to
have you back, all right, Jeso

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02:08:05,640 --> 02:08:09,640
news everyone. For Jeffrey Roche,
I leave you with one name on the

1857
02:08:09,880 --> 02:08:16,800
Epstein list, Yes, Stephen Hawking, go to sleep on that, okay.

1858
02:08:18,199 --> 02:08:22,600
Who's there for a massage always?
Man? I mean I don't know.

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02:08:24,560 --> 02:08:28,239
For Kevin Muir, for Jeffrey Epstein's
list, I'm Bill Moran and we'll

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02:08:28,399 --> 02:08:30,079
see you tomorrow.