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Kevin's in tonight? Why have many Danny coincidence? He's not here and Tarik
Hill's seven million dollar house goes up in flames today Bill's Malfia strikes again?
Or is it the opening salvo to the weekend? Greg No, Danny No?
Greg No? Danny? Well? Greg is is Greg's still here?
He doesn't leave till tomorrow. I'm pretty sure Greg financed Dandy to get down
at late that fire. You think so? Yeah, but he said,
you know it? Well, tell me William A Tire paid for your trip.
Uh, well, I could be. I don't know new Yer's resolution.
You know what I had this I'm considering making the change in twenty twenty
four. I gotta make a change. No, I have to go back
to anti perspirate. There's a difference between anti perspirant and deodorant. And I
for a long time have been hearing about aluminum and that aluminum in the anti
perspirint is bad. Same thing. People call it the wrong stuff. They
do it all the time. Just because you're rubbing on does not mean it's
it's the odoran or anti person. The odorant basically just masks the odor.
The aluminum supposedly clogs the pores to prevent the sweat, which therefore stops the
bacteria and the smell. So I must have the other because I still sweat.
Okay, Well, I switched so I was using It's so funny to
see that. No, I still sweat too through the Yeah there you go.
Uh yeah, I glow. No. But so I I was using
like men's dove or whatever, and I sometimes it's still sweat, but it
didn't smell bad. It was okay. So for whatever reason back in the
fall, I thought, you know what, maybe there's something to this aluminum
thing. And I had read or any Again. Now I'm starting to see
why people say fake news. I think the term is a little harsh necessarily
that they lose on every fucking thing. You're absolutely right, Okay, but
I'm starting to understand it because I thought I'd read about aluminum being bad for
and could lead to Alzheimer's later on that okay, that these are things that
I'm sort of remembering thinking I read, and I go, you know what,
I'm gonna try the TV else I was already I'm gonna sorry, I'm
gonna try. I'm gonna try some Toms of Maine. Toms of Maine,
deodorant, no aluminum, no ilumin, your brother's friend. Yes, shitty
product. Oh dear, well, I don't know. I bought shy because
well, I woke up and I would smell like Doug Phelps, like dirty
Martina, nacho cheese. I kid, I kid, but I would get
up and I would sometimes I would I could get a whiff of boh,
like I could like, I don't man, funk, I don't often get
my own whiff. My wife would be like, dude, go put some
deodor on or something. Really okay, your wife says it to you.
I mean it's also said to the kids, like kids, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, I get
I never really get my own, all right. So I so I bought,
so I bought the one Toms and I go and I think I had
heard remember we were doing the games podcast in here. Now I'll just say
this, and I don't mean it in any way. You can take it
anyway you want. But when a gay guy gives you advice, I fucking
think they're usually spot on with everything. They're on with fashion, they're on
with style, they know stuff, house apes like me don't know. And
this guy just out of nowhere proclaimed Tom's of Maine. To forget that Tom
shit. But they were talking about the aluminum too, So I went and
bought a second ton, so like Tom, I don't. Yeah, all
right, irony, all right, But so I buy two and I kept
one in here. So if I ever felt a little, if you ever
got a walk not so fresh, I double stick. Well. Then one
day I'm at boxing and I go, God damn, and I'm like,
holy shit, I think that's me, Like yeah, and I go and
there's and there's a lot of women in the class stuff. And not that
I'm no, no, inappropriate, but you just don't want to be offensive
in any way do you understand what I'm saying. You don't want to walk
away like smells like, oh, I'm not going back. He's not doing
shit. You got in there holding mint and he smells like, ah,
you got it. And by the way, holding mits can become a lot,
right, But I'm sure they're doing a hell of a lot more than
you are, a hell of a lot more. You are absolutely correct on
that, and you shouldn't smell like, yeah, it's based on what they're
doing. So I threw the extra bot, the thing I had in the
studio in my boxing bag one night and I ran out to boxing and I've
never brought it back. So I'm Christmas morning, Christmas Morning down in my
mom's. It's just me and my mom. She had the hip surgery.
I have the pleasure of helping her on with her OsO sexy compression stockings.
Okay, so she sits in a chair. You gotta put a bag over
her foot and then slide the compression stock over the bag and then help them
get up to a certain point and then she will pull them up. The
rest of It's very It's a little more intimate than you may want to be
with your mom. No no big deal, right, But here's the thing.
I'm so she's in a chair, I'm bent down, and she had
already showered and everything, and she says to me, ooh, did you
shower? And I kind of look up surprised, and I'm going, why
would you ask that question when my hair is pointing in ninety different directions?
Maybe it is now as well, I don't know, And I said no,
I didn't, and she said oh, And I said, why do
I stink? No? No, no, no, You're fine, And
I went off. Fuck. So now I go, fuck this, I'm
going back to aluminum. So today I did a little research and I found
Healthline Online says some proponents of aluminum free products claim that aluminum prevents you from
sweating out toxins that could potentially cause cancer, something I had not heard before.
But cancers toxins aren't removed from the body through the lymphoids which are under
your armpits. The kidneys and liver help remove the toxins. I probably aren't
to destroyed both of those with other things, which, by the way,
did I not see a Good Morning America today? Even just a little bit
of alcohol can lead to cancer, and one lady goes, well, I'm
done. I'm not drinking anymore. I'm bead three times over. And if
one guy goes, which kind of cancer? Though you're getting old like aesophageal
because you probably get acid reflected I didn't get his coats. Let's think it
coats so it help remove the talks, prouty and eventually expelled through the urine
pieces. Deoderant is designed to only curb body older, while anti person meant
to limit sweat. There are two main health issues usually cited when talking about
aluminum and anti person Alzheimer's disease, which I had heard, and breast cancer,
which men can get rare but men can get it. This is from
a study in the sixties and seventies. Was identified as a possible suspect in
Alzheimer's suspission, led to concern about exposure. Here's what they did. I
believe they did another research in eighty five that examined the link between aluminum and
Alzheimer's. Now I should not laugh at this, and I hope you don't
either, but you might see if you follow this. Researchers found that Alzheimer's
patients had high levels of aluminum in their brains. There have been a number
of studies since then. At least one done in nineteen ninety did suggest a
link. Researchers tracked aluminum exposure of one hundred and thirty Alzheimer's patients, but
the study has been discredited because it relied on other people to provide data for
the patients. Yes, but they also the government also can't read their mind,
and the aliens can't get in because but do you understand what I'm saying,
Like, because they have Alzheimer's, we got to rely on you have
Alzheimer's on Bill's using that pit stake, Yes, so they had to throw
it out. I go, wow, I guess that makes sense. So
that I knew more than the breast cancer thing. And so now I'm thinking
I got to go back to my aluminum loaded anti antidepressant, anti birth friend
maybe too, because I'm using Tom's main and that whole Christmas morning scene and
like, well, you have you have kids, so you you've you've gone
through that age with the kids. Okay, with the axe pray I have,
Oh god, you want you know the direction, say one spray now
and they spray for thirty five minutes. This SMEs like a whorehouse. I
think forty minutes. I think every generation has something, because when I was
a kid, it was Dracar Noir. Now I don't know when you're about
ten years younger than me, so what was it for you? Was it
the same? Might have been like Jupe or something like that. Oh Jupe,
yeah yeah, but drakarm not it. I don't think as offensive.
His axe axe was a cloud. Like I remember my hole upstairs. Yeah,
one kid can do in his room clos poo forehouse. Yeah, it
was like boom, I go what is going on? Twice? And I
remember Jordan going to a party ones and he had a giant can of acts
he stuffed in his bed in his pocket of it like these baggy sweats,
like they tapered sweats. I'm gonna forget to teach them how this stuff at
the right spot. So I go, buddy, why do you what do
you have in your pants? And he goes in case I talked to a
girl, get sweaty, and I'm thinking, no, no, I didn't
know what to say. I went, oh, okay, good plan.
I just like I'm going no, no, no, no, no,
no no no. However whatever uh that stuff is. That stuff is awful.
Now can you tell someone like a friend if they have boh, why
can't you? I don't, I don't know. I mean they may not
believe you. But would you like if I told you, dude, you're
little, you'd be like, I don't know with you. Do you think
you would believe me? Or do you think you It depends if you and
I like it depends on how you did it. If you came over and
we probably go, hey man, listen, I caught a little whiffy.
You talked about that. Tomson met and you might want to double dab in
that. I think in here you probably would be like, he's fucking with
me? Yeah, and we over like iron smoke, yes, and I
said it. Yes, he'd be like, oh yeah, because I believe
me. M because I said to my son. So I told my sons
that they were they've stunk in the past, but then like case they stick
all the time. Well, I've told like some of them, I've told
them, hey man, you might want to trim some nose there here.
Well, Tyler's new thing now is he has a shower after hockey. Yeah,
So it's like now it's like we live five minutes from the rink.
Oh oh, so it's it's now instead of being thirty minutes after practice of
the game to go home, now it's you know, fifty minutes, and
it's him running around the locker room with you know, nine guys balls,
hanging out, showering, and I'm like, dude, I got shit to
do. So I looked up how to help a friend who has body oder.
I want you to picture this stuff. I went on the internet.
They have tips for everything, right, it's all right there. There's nothing
in the world you can't learn to do anymore YouTube. I believe Apple has
their university, right Apple University. You can learn pretty much anything for free.
There's even the masterclass, and they were doing two for one, but
that's that'll pay. But I think for free you can find a lot of
stuff. So this says, have the conversation in private. If someone stinks,
all right, focus on your friendship and your concerned for his success,
not the problem. I don't know why they used to pronoun his, but
apparently I would think that men probably stink more than women. Listen to what
he has to say after and offer suggestions. If you can't assure him the
conversation will remain confidential, like you would say this. They give you an
example, ready, Hey Kevin, I really care about our working relationship and
your success. And I've noticed that you have bad body odor and actually your
breast spells as well. Who wrote this? Hr, I don't know,
that's what I'm saying. Nobody talks that way, do they know? Or
if you're telling a friend, you could tell him, hey, Kevin,
I'm never talking to a friend like that because I'm gonna get punched in the
face. I care about you a lot, and I enjoy spending time with
you. I've noticed that you recently had some bad boh man, and I
just wanted to take this chance to chat with you about it. This is
fd thing you were fucking with me. Yes, of course, you're just
like bro. Yeah. See if I went like ghost threats. Yeah,
but see now it has to be in the person's language like my language would
be. Hey, man, I got a little de owner to the sink.
He may want to use it. What And then you may go somewhere
privately and smell to make sure I'm not lying. And if you go god
damn, then you know I'm not right or just hit it with some soap
and water. Now this is from the Science of people dot com. There's
even more. I got so intrigued in how to tell people they stink by
the internet. After telling your colleague they smell, let them know that you're
being up your Why you're bringing up a firm that is because you care about
them. Hey Kevin, we work so closely together, and I don't want
this to impact you negatively or affect people wanting to work with you. I
know this is awkward, but I wanted to let you know privately you fucking
stink like an ape. Say I couldn't have this conversation, and now that
you've brought it up, I don't think I can have this conversation with you.
Why because you and I have that dynamic where we're just it's a set.
It's always a set. If speaking with a friend, you might say,
hey Kevin, I don't want to hinder you from making friends, or
dating or finding your dream job. I want I want what's best for you,
my friend, and right now you ain't there. It's called speedsteaking for
you. Now, how to help? I mean the Science of people dot
com. This is a real site. They give you a pro tip in
there. You ready for their prote pro tip. Our brains love compliments.
This is why you always had the formula, like like if you're gonna,
if you needed to criticize, like if leaders need to criticize an underling in
some way, it should be compliment. I love that color blue on you,
but fuck you, put some deodorant on you. Know your hair looks
really good today. Did you get a haircut? You might want to start
brushing your fucking teeth tomorrow. See for me, if you stunk, i'd
probably have to say something when you go to the bathroom. But god damn
Dan, yes and make him tell you. Oh yeah, Now I went
up now stiffing myself all the time. Thanks at Toms and I bought.
I wanted to experiment with this non aluminum which I didn't know. I will
tell you I did not know the difference between anti persmon and deodorant. I
didn't know that. I just looked up what I used. It's Mine's called
deodorant. Okay. I use the cheap, the speedstick stuff. It works
the best. Now used to fucking burn, now it works the best.
Well, I don't do I stink. I've never known. There you go.
I'm not nestling up to you seven cents. Maybe let's go some other
one that was not aluminum. I think it's called Native or something, and
I was going to try that next to see you're you're going too deep.
You got to go with the tried and true. Well, I know,
I like the men's dove. I would buy to BJ's in the big pack.
I have it forever. Set didn't have to. Now you got to
research the other protipt for for the for the gentleman. How do you tell
a woman, no, no, no, no, this is the same.
They're saying, it's the same. This is gender neutral. Honey,
your eyes are blue, but of stinks like a sounto itch. Your eyes
are blue, but your vagina s feels like pooh. I don't know.
I don't know. Now, uh, when possible incorporate a genuine compliment as
part of your why Kevin, when you're gonna do this? For example?
And that's right, you were full of shit. I don't want your bad
breath to get in the way of your professional opportunities. You know, I
enjoy working with you, and you know what, I know others do as
well. You're funny but we just have to come back when you come out
with your If they don't know what to do about their smell. Here are
a few questions to ask impossible solutions. So you could go, let's say,
like I go, hey Kevin own soap. Hey Kevin. You can
say, ah, man, yeah, you know, my washing machine has
been broken. How often do you wash your clothes? You can use my
washing machine. They suggest you can research and find a laundry mat. Here's
a roller corners, go to the laundromat. Can I recommend my favorite laundry
products? How offensive would it be if somebody walked up to you and said,
you know, I think you would really like tied tie pods. They're
fantastic. You should really try them. Wouldn't you be offended or wonder what
the fuck was going on? Like that's more offensive to me a little bit,
because then I could be the deck and be like, yeah, well,
unfortunately I can't use those because I have skill. Hey Kevin, what's
your uh? What's your personal hygiene routine? I roll around in the shit
in the backyard and can I get you started with a basket of my favorite
personal care items? So so I find taking a daily shower helps me smell
fresh, Kevin, I can't imagine it, says here. Remember to wait
to offer a solution until the person has told you what they think the problem
is. For example, if they say I shower twice a week, you
could respond. I find taking a daily shower helps me smelling fresh. Some
people say, you're not supposed to shower every day, A lot of people,
a lot of I have to. Yeah, I can't move if I
don't. Now, we are taping this episode on January third, which is
National Humiliation Day. Not to humiliate other people. That's not what it means.
That got more research. No, no, no, no, it's
to relinquish our pride and become humble before a higher power or other people.
So you know, I'm trying to humble myself, you know. Now,
let me ask you this, if somebody, if you found out somebody stunk
like we had. I've had. I've been I've been a bad person,
I think now that I look at this stuff. There was somebody I really
liked in college and I had gone out once or twice, and her breath
on one date was just like I couldn't. I couldn't, I couldn't,
and it wasn't like food related. It was like something was rotten, and
I was just that's it. And then I think she needed a ride from
the airport and had called me and I fell a sick. Yeah, yeah,
you knew that story. That And then there's been other odors that I've
come across that I would never say anything about. But I was like,
oh no, how do you cross that bridge? Though I don't, you
just don't go, I don't and that and that, and I think that
that's a very weak way now to do it, because you may say,
hey, listen, I really like it and I don't want to embarrass you
if it was a chick, and I wonder if this would work in all
honesty, like I really do like you and I really love hanging out with
you. But I got to tell you there are times where your breath could
knock the buzzard off a fucking dead beagle. No, or just something I
mean or even then yeah, well that I don't. Yeah, that's when
I think you come across more often than bath with a girl is the down
smelling bad? I don't know. I don't know that I ever did.
I knew people who had Oh well, I know a guy who's a drug
wrap for the drug that keeps that clean. Yes. Well, look,
I don't know anything about it. I don't have one in terms of like
cleaning and stuff. I'm starting to you've been around him in the past.
You've been around did you just not go back? I asked somebody to open
a window once. Really, yeah, and then I just got wider.
I didn't know. But I mean if, okay, so if somebody had
a secret like that, if somebody, if somebody stunk, are you gonna
tell somebody when somebody says to you, Hey, I gotta tell you this,
but please don't tell anybody else. What are the chances you at least
tell your wife fifty to fifty Yeah, I think okay, And I would
say it's way higher for other people. I think it's more like seventy twenty.
Well that's only ninety tendecided, No, ten percent to the mistress.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking, And I go, I don't know
anybody. I don't think humans are capable, truly capable of keeping a secret.
I think somebody else always knows something. See. I'm more of the
person that's gonna not tell somebody that they stink. I'm gonna tell somebody else,
Yes, like I'm gonna tell Danny that you stink behind the back.
Yes, well we've done that. We had a boss and when none of
us could tell the guy he had really really bad breath. Handsome guy would
get close to you to talk and you'd see people's head snap back. Nobody
said anything, but it was it was. It was rancid. It was
literally like he ate a can of ship in the morning and it just rotted
in his throat like it's pure. Like if you've ever been around like we
we can all tell a fart and that's nothing but like raw. He was
the traffic guy that had some god damn yeah, and he got that guy
is He was the nicest guy in the world. There's an old sports anchor.
This guy nastiness too. He was a bit of a blowhard, but
he uh, he sucked on a lot of mints and things, and even
that sometimes even the mints are just fuck. White flag, White Flag.
I can't do it all right, Well, anyway, I think I'm gonna
go back to the here. It will be my other question to try the
cheap speedstack. Give it, give it a world. Na Gillette I've done.
And I don't know why. I think it got to get the gel,
not the one that you turn it. But it doesn't. It's it's
it's the whole ball. Yeah, yeah, the gel. I thought that
one for some reason, I thought that was a little sensitive. Uh all
right, speaking of secrets though, And we're gonna have a guest in here
shortly. I can't wait for this. Have you ever planned a secret with
someone just to see if they would tell? Oh? Yeah, yeah,
yeah. There are certain people in my life who I love, truly love.
They may be family members that I will say things and some and some
one person says nothing, and one person I can always count on. Just
lit it just steeps out. I don't tell. I don't tell my wife
a thing because she does not keep a secret. Oh if I want to
do something fun with the boys on like a Saturday, Yeah yeah, oh
boy, the boys go karting. Yeah. Two days later we're gonna go
karting. Really all right, we will Uh well, we'll take a moment.
Yesterday we talked to a young man who's a reporter, and I found
him very impressive. Jeffrey Rogers GSL News and Jeffrey's supposedly gonna come in here,
so we'll see if he shows up. There's a lot of questions for
him. People had a lot of comments on the different videos that I had
posted on social media about him, and I think you heard some other things
as well. Now, he and I did talk about some of the things
that people brought up on social media, and I'm not gonna say what they
are now. You'll have to come back for the next segment to find out.
And because he answered them to me, he actually brought them up,
and I have a response to it. But we'll see what he says and
we'll see what else he finds out if he doesn't show in time for us
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So a comment yesterday that I believe was intended to be what we'll call
on this show because we can shit talking exploded. Oh just went absolutely insane.
And it was this comment from a A. Ron Rogers on the Pat
McAfee show, Bring It Up, Bring It Fox on It super Bowl.
Let me let me start again. What they're talking about in the beginning is
and this has been around for a little while. The logo, the emblem
for the Super Bowl is already out and the color they think match the Ravens
and the forty nine ers, and they believe if those two teams are in
the super Bowl, then what's going on? There's this conspiracy. Yeah,
for the past couple of years, the logo comes out well before the Super
Bowl, but the colors that they use become the colors of the two teams
in the super Bowl. But at that point we don't know who's playing in
the super Bowl except for fifty because it was just gold, right, So
this is so, this is what they're talking about on the Pat McAfee show
with Aaron Rodgers. Whoops, somebody seats on it. You have super Bowl
fifty eight, you'll see it the emblem, put it on the screen and
then bring it fifty seven and fifty six has something to do with the Epstein
list that came out, supposed to be coming, that's supposed to be coming
out. Waiting wine selling. I've been waiting my wine cellar for a lot
of people, including Jimmy Kimmel, are really hoping that doesn't all right.
Obviously, A clip from this particular program was run on Jimmy Kimmel's show whenever
Aaron brought up the list, and then Jimmy marked them for it, and
Aaron has not forgotten about that. But here we are, all right,
So I think it was just a little jab back. That's how I intended.
Jimmy Kimmel went on Twitter and wrote, dear ahole, For the record,
I have not met, flown with, visited, or had any contact
whatsoever with Epstein. Nor will you find my name on any quote unquote list
other than the clearly phony nonsense that soft brain wackos like yourself can't seem to
distinguish from reality. Your reckless words put my family in danger. Keep it
up and we will debate the facts further in court. I guess ESPN's stepped
in now and is having issues with it too. Well, it's at ESPN,
ABC, ABC, so they're coming down on McAfee. Okay, let
it go right, So okay, okay, Well I didn't know that.
I did not know that. So let me play you the what Pat McAfee
was referring to with Jimmy Kimmel. This is Jimmy Kimmel on his show,
and this is what he said that I guess elicited the response from Aaron rodd
Needless to say, all this UFO talk has the tinfoil hatters going wild,
including Green Bay whack packer Aaron Rodgers, who offered this hot take on the
Pat McAfee show. I believe that this has been going on for a long
time. Interesting timing on everything. There's a lot of other things going on
in the world. Did you hear about the Epstein client list about to be
released too? What's that? What are you talking about? There's some files
that have some names that might be getting released pretty soon. Oh, I'd
be trying to revisit that concussion protocol Aaron. Now, it's funny, but
Aaron took offense to that. And it's not the first time Kimmel has ever
time to taking a shot at Aaron Rodgers. Now, Aaron has been I
guess would fall on one side of the COVID vaccine and Jimmy Kimmel is clearly
on the other side. And this is what he had said a while back
on his show. Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers is in quarantine right now.
A Rodge tested positive yesterday for COVID and will miss Sunday's game against the
Chiefs. He'll be watching it from my home. And no one seems to
know that he wasn't vaccinated. He hasn't been wearing a mask even where it's
required, and at one point he claimed he was immunized, but looking back
when he said it, it should have been obvious that he was not.
Aaron he said he'd like to learn as many things as you can to hang
in any conversation. Are you vaccinated in what your stance on vaccinations? Yeah,
I'm been immunized. Yeah you see. Did you notice the Eric quotes?
That's how you know. We now know he is not vaccinated because unvaccinated
players who test positive have to isolate for ten days. Had he been vaccinated,
he would have had a chance to play this weekend. Aaron Rodgers reportedly
received a homeopathic treatment over the summer instead of the vaccine. You know,
we shouldn't know, because nothing says I heal myself with crystals like this haircut.
I mean back when he had the butt on top. Aaron is a
Karen. That's the fact of the matter. Honestly, the only thing worse
then, the only worst of not getting vaccinated when you're in close contact with
other people is letting them think you're vaccinated when you're not. It's basically the
COVID equivalent of the condom fell off. It's all right, So now look,
I don't know. I guess you could argue that Jimmy was making jokes
about facts with Aaron, and Aaron took a reckless shot at Jimmy saying you're
on this list and the list. I don't know, it's it's a big
deal. I don't know it's supposed to come out today. I thought I
earlier was supposed to come out. Well, I think they say they could
be released today. I think it was like December eighteenth. He had fourteen
days to appeal and by a certain time and I think it was three o'clock
Eastern time, and nobody appealed. So therefore the names with some names redacted
by the way coming out. But here's what Pat McAfee said on his show
today, and I would say that I think he's right in that shit talking
went to it is a fantastic day. We can't thank you enough for joining
us here on this Glorious Trenches Wednesday, which one include JJ whyat in the
second hour. Not sure there'll be any threatened lawsuits with that one coming today
from JJ Watt's conversation, But never never know, might have a bone to
pick. You never know, which is the thing. Stuff. Whenever you're
free wheeling and dealing in here, you know and you have heard conversations,
they can certainly lead to some places that cause like international news and things like
that. And whenever there's accusations made about people, that can lead the lawsuits.
Now, let's have been in one before with Brett Favre. Now how'd
that case end? Well, it ended with me having to read a letter
basically stating that I know nothing, uh that anybody else doesn't know publicly already,
that I'm not in the know for that whole thing. And then that
was kind of disappeared. But that was a big thing for a long time.
How did that come? Well, we just started making jokes about stuff,
We started talking shit about stuff, and then our show. I think
that is a good part of what we do is we're able to kind of
just roll with the punches. We're able to have a good time. We're
all rather invested and studied in what's happening around the sports world at all times.
Caitlin Clark last night, all about Lukeler today. So we are very
much in that world. So everybody that comes on the stage has to be
able to like basically keep up with where we're headed. There's no form there's
no formal outline of what how we're doing. There's no a bloc, D
blocks, C block, there's no scheduled conversations, there's no scheduled debates.
There's no topics for you to think about before you get in there. There
is just an opportunity to talk about damn near everything for three and a half
hours, and in doing so, the upside of that is some magic inncome
that you never knew was gonna come. Good times cause we had laugh we
had especially when you're rolling on like two hours of sleep like we were yesterday
after the Rose Bull, he can have a BLUs and on a flip side,
there could be some things that were certainly probably I mean, we're gonna
have to hear from Aaron on that meant to be shit talk joke that can
then become something that is obviously a very serious allegation that then leads to a
massive overnight story, one in which one put baby Don's sleep, I haven't
seen her while, and then I pick up my phone. Oh boy,
but I can see exactly why Jimmy Kimble felt the way he felt, especially
with his position. But I think Aaron was just trying to talk shit.
Now did it go too far? And a lot of people Jimmy Kimble certainly
said that was the case. We and I immediately pawted happening to be like,
you know, but that is Aaron and Jimmy. They've been jouted a
bit. I don't know, you know, so like we obviously don't like
the fact that we're associated with anything negative. Ever, we like our show
to be an uplifting on, a happy one, a fun one. But
it's because we talk shit and try to make light of everything some things obviously
people get very pissed off about, especially when they're that's serious allegations. So
we apologize for being a part of it. Can't wait to hear what Eron
has to say about it. Hopefully those two will just be able to settle
this, you know, knockport wise, but be able to chitchat move along
because remember, there you go, I mean, you can disagree and on
and on. He gives a great example of he came from a soccer world,
and you drop yourself into a football locker room, and it's very different,
especially in college, because you've got some kid who grew up with millions
of dollars, some kid who came from Compton, some kid who is would
be referred to as trash from Virginia, and everybody's coming from a different opinion.
It was kind of his thought. But this Epstein thing is somewhat interesting
today. And I don't know if it's a big deal or it's not a
big deal, because all it is, I believe is flight locks. It's
people who have flown with him. I don't know that it's going to be
able to link anybody to underage sex. The one person that was was Prince
Andrew, who I believe has been stripped of some of his titles. They
think he's still the Dutch of York. But I don't know anything else.
But this is a Fox News report, they might explain a little bit of
it. Jeffrey Epstein may have been a notorious sex offender, but he was
also accepted into the highest levels of the nation's financial and political circles. And
now we will likely get a new peak inside his world. The identities more
than one hundred and seventy people expected to be revealed after a New York federal
judge ruled there was no legal justification to still keep the names of Epstein's friends
a secret. ABC News reports former President Bill Clinton has mentioned fifty times previously
as John Doe number thirty six. Here you see him shaking hands with Epstein
along with Epstein's sometimes girlfriend Gilay Maxwell. See Now, just because of that
doesn't mean he went and did anything. And that's the part is. I
think people are waiting for this list to come out, and there's supposed to
be one hundred and fifty plus names in the world. Apparently the list came
out about twenty minutes ago, and people are news sources are reviewing the documents,
but nothing's actually nothing out, Yeah, because nobody wants that. I
don't think anybody wants to jump on this necessarily to release it like from the
news, because I think you could open yourself up right potentially the Liwy Wow
in nineteen ninety three. There is no indication the sealed records contain evidence of
illegal conduct by Clinton. Right the court filings will be released as part of
a settled civil lawsuit from one of Epstein's accusers, Virginia Gffray. Gouffrey says
she was sex trafficked by Epstein at Maxwell starting when she was sixteen years old.
She claims she was forced to have sex with Prince Andrew and sued him.
He denied it, and the case was settled out of court. Reports
also show all flight logs named Clinton, as well as former President Donald Trump
and a host of other top business and political names as passengers who flew in
Epstein's private jets. There was no indication they did anything wrong. You may
also recall that Epstein was found all right, so do we here my question?
There is a saying where there's smoke, there's fire, right, And
I did read something in the New York Post, But again it could be
somebody talking. You have nothing to back it up. But Jeffrey Epstein had
told his brother, his younger brother, that he had enough information or had
information excuse me, on Donald Trump and the Clintons so incendiary it could have
upended the twenty sixteen presidential election if made public. Here's the direct quote he
said, if I said what I know about both candidates, they'd have to
cancel the election. That's what Jeffrey told me. In twenty sixteen, Mark
Epstein told that to The New York Post, recalling a conversation he had with
his brother about the showdown between Trump and Hillary Clinton. And but he wouldn't
elaborate. His brother never revealed to him exactly what he knew about the then
presidential hopefuls. And so you go, okay, is that somebody who's just
making it up, well, just wants to make themselves feel powerful. I
don't know, I don't know. It's it's it's an odd situation because,
like you said, you can you can see Bob Smith's name on the list.
But did Bob Smith do anything? Bob Smith just go this island.
But well, see that's the thing. And if you visited the I don't
look. I'll tell you this, I wouldn't want my name. That would
be shipping in my fants. It's like from baseball. Well, yeah,
it's gonna show up right. Let me just see the Bill Clinton we know
is on there. Yeah. There was a defamation suit against Maxwell was settled
in twenty seventeen, but the Miami Herald newspaper filed emotion for all these records
to be unsealed for public view, and I was trying to see. We
know the Clinton's are Layton, Donald Trump, Andrews. Yeah, we know
that. Bill Gates met with Epstein several times in the beginning of twenty eleven.
He has said in interviews that he regrets having had dinners with Epstein's to
discuss philanthropy efforts. Prince Andrew reached an undisclosed settlement with the woman that was
referred to in the news clip, Gouffrey, who accused him of forcing her
to perform sex acts when she was under age. Andrew, the Duke of
York, denied the allegations, but he was stripped of his military titles and
can no longer use his Royal highness in any official capacity. Oh hurt me,
excuse me? I don't know. Now here's where it's people that have
a lot of money, But I don't think most people in the public know
who they are. Leon Black do you know who? Liam Okay, co
founder of private equity company Apollo Global Management, has denied allegations in court documents
of raping underage girls at Epstein's New York home. So they're expecting to see
him. Now, if there's an allegation and then the guy ends up on
the list, does that Does that make you more curious? You know what
I mean? Here's the thing is like when it when when there's more to
it and more people are coming out with stuff, that's when I think you
start to see right now, Paula Abdul went after Nile Lithgown. I don't
know Lithgal is that his name? Either way? He was the executive producer
of American Idol. And also, so you think he can dance? She
said that he tried to force her to kiss her at one point. There
were some allegations back in the American Idol days. And then again so I
so you think he can dance? At the New Year's Eve party once he
said, I think the statute of limitations for my past inappropriateness have passed.
Whatever. No one has ever heard of this, she says it now because
la or excuse me, California like New York State. I think New York
State, the windows the windows closed. I think the windows closing New York
State. But it is not closed in the other place, uh, in
California. But that means in any kind of there is no statue limitations on
any sexual crime, so it can be considered a sexual solt crime. And
now two more women have come out and said they've had similar problems with this
guy, or or maybe worse. I don't know, so that that's all
the I just wonder with the Epstein stuff, when you hear this about these
different people, uh huh, And how many people already look at Bill Clinton
going, you know, Billy or maybe Bill Gates. Is the list gonna
shock you? Or is it gonna be one of those things where there's that
one person on there, like it's the Pope. Not I guess they're gonna
be that one person that you're like, oh, so, who's the first
that comes out? The name is on the list, and they sit down
and do an interview, and who does the interview? Oprah is still big
enough to do the interview? Probably Gail King from CBS, her friend,
Jimmy Kimmel, Stephanopoulos, Jimmy kimil could do it. Jimmy Kimmel could,
But I mean, who's going to take it seriously? According to Aaron Roger,
stop stop, but it is. It's one of these things where you
go there is a morbid curiosity. And the bad part is I have heard
I again hearsay I don't know anything about anything. But I knew someone who
had gone down to the Virgin Islands with a girlfriend. It was two women,
and they hung out with this guy and they partied with him and got
to know him a little bit. And it turned out that his dad was
the guy that committed suicide over the Whitewater real estate thing with the Clintons,
and he had nothing good to say about the Clintons. Now I wasn't there.
I didn't know this person with they went down and did that, I
had those conversations. I wasn't around any of this stuff, so I never
really knew what to believe, you know what I'm saying. And that's where
I go back to, like the fake news with the aluminum report that I
told earlier about aluminum. Is it good or bad? I don't know.
It depends on who you read right. Is this is this list gonna be
kind of a big nothing burger? Or is it is it something that people
go when there's smoke, there's fire, if there's enough shit and who's gonna
maybe will somebody crack under pressure and go listen? I was there. I
didn't do it, but I'll tell you this stuff was going on, and
now like the whole world was gonna catch on fire. Would there be anybody
on that that could be on the list that you would have no doubt that
would be there? Is there somebody you could think of that you'd be like,
well, let me I heard a story about Bill Clinton from a local
reporter when he was here in nineteen ninety three at the Diplomat Party House campaigning
to be the President of the United States. He was kind of an unknown
Democrat. All the Democrats were really work in New York state. He came
here. This person said that they had it was right around the time that
the Jennifer Flower story came out, and they had corralled the press. So
basically you were kind of off in a corner and you couldn't get to Bill
Clinton to ask about the Jennifer Flowers thing. It either had dropped that morning
or the previous day, and he was coming to Rochester. The person said
to me that they were in the press. They worked their way out.
And again you can say this is hearsay because I'm not going to name any
names this, but this is what I was told firsthand that that person worked
their way out to be along the line. As Clinton was leaving, he
was greeting people, shaking hands and stuff, and there was an extremely attractive
young woman who was the daughter of some democratic big wig in Monroe County,
and Bill stopped. And this person said, it was like everyone else in
the room had disappeared. He just zoned zoned in, like focused on this
young woman and was like right there and touched her shoulder and all things that
would be familiar touching, right, not complete strain, you're familiar touching.
And they and the person said, I was shocked to see that, knowing
because the whole thing with the press not being able to get to him was
because of Jennifer Flowers. It has just happened. You would think that that
automatically. It's almost like he couldn't help himself. So the fact that he's
on Epstein and Epstein's island, no, No, If those things are true,
and you hear more and more of them, So what I'm saying that,
like I always go look for patterns, look for patterns. Well,
if you're looking for patterns, I don't know. It sure seems like there's
been a pattern for a while. I could see Bill Casby on there.
And the bad part is that the worst part of this is most of these
women are underage. I don't could they not have known that? People may
I don't know. I don't know anything under the scope of America, so
it could be. I get that. But I know what you're saying.
I understand what you're saying. Out of the jurisdiction yet, all right,
but it will be interesting. So I would expect tomorrow that we'll see something
at some point, if not on the eleven o'clock News on Wednesday, January
third, we will take a moment, speaking of news, we will.
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be sure to like and subscribe to Bilified wherever you get your podcast. One
thing, yes, you not to do and you come right of the bus,
said that tray. He said right away, Jeffrey Rogers is in the
studio. And I said, Jeffrey, sometimes curse words do happen on here.
It's okay. We couldn't do it on the radio, but you can't
do it here. It's not government controlled. And I and I asked,
because he said, can I go live on GSL News? And I said,
you can, but sometimes curse words come out? And you said to
me, sometimes I have kids start alive, yet when they are see we're
good, We're good. Jeffrey Rogers, look at them sharp handsome kid.
Right there. I have a brand new tie on just for the show.
Look at or I like it? I like it. I like it?
So why don't we start here? And then well we could, Yeah,
let's start here. We had talked. I get for people who may not
have listened to last night's episode. I woke up yesterday morning and accidentally,
not even on purpose, it's six eleven. My alarm was set to go
off with like six thirty six twenty. I pick up the phone and I
hit and Twitter opens up X and the first thing that pops up is this
really detailed tweet about with a picture of the of the SWAT team in the
in the hotel in Greece over this whole accident that happened outside the Codec Center
on New Year's Eve. And I thought to myself, well, this is
this is who is this? Who's doing this? And it says GSL News.
I go GSL News and I'm thinking, is there, like is it
Global Something News? And I think you and I may have cross paths or
I've heard about you from people being you know, a young kid. I
think you were on the Brother We show at one point. Yeah, yeah,
so I had heard about you. But so then and I see this,
and then I find out who it is, I reach out, and
then I talked to you, and I was really impressed with your in depth
coverage. I really really was. I put it up on my story today,
a little piece of you with us and on the phone. Then I
did see today where you did put out a tweet and you said that you
were a little disappointed in other reporters. And I will explain why The New
York Post at least online had a headline that said cops recover suicide note after
drained man drove car packed with explosives into crowd at Rochester concert, killing two,
which actually just the headline alone. And I can't say that it's wrong.
And I know some things about journalism, and I do you know Gary
Craig from the Democrat Chronicle. I do, yeah, So Gary and I
did a one on one and Gary said that a lot of times he goes
back to his editors and says, look, look at you gotta change that
headline because you can't. You can't use that. It's for clickbait. And
so this one even said, does this is not sound like because it was
gas cast. They are explosive. That is absolutely true. But I'm thinking
the guy comes in with time, money, you know what I mean,
everything's triggered more even un scene. Just yeah, up a lot of things.
And I was like, so, let me read what they Let me
read what they what they wrote, Okay, uh, I just pulled just
an excerpt from their article. Investigators are reviewing the journal for any clues into
the attack, and have interviewed family members who said they believe the suspect had
bipolar disorder, though he was never officially diagnosed. According to sources, the
relatives say avery that's the thirty five year old man from Syracuse who was responsible
for this, had never expressed any negative beliefs, and that they are unaware
of any reason he would want to cause harm to other. Sources says authorities
are planning to conduct a search of stories unit belonging to him in North Syracuse
as well. Uh yeah, and then it just kind of goes on from
there. You you wrote that there was no there was there was no journal,
There was nothing fun. And I definitely felt pressure by the New York
Times because they had a lot of information for me. But that was one
thing I did. Wait, wait, wo woa, whoa, whoa,
whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. So time I was on the phone with
him for several however, phone calls. How did you get in touch with
it? How did the New York Times find you? Or you find the
time? They found me and they they called me I think I think after
I think it was after ABC News had contact to me and they they said,
okay, we this might be a credible source. They came out with
this information stating that They kept pressuring me like did he are you sure?
Wasn't finding any notes or anything like that, because I felt like they had
new they had screwed up, which kind of made me look bad because you
guys are getting this information for me. Were they crediting you on ABC News?
ABC News did credit me? They did? What? And how did
the credits come with? So they credited me with the video with GSO News
jeffre Rodger because I told him my director, you cannot use my information.
We have his title on there too. I said, you're not using my
information. I know. So I'm like, you're not using my information,
you're not using any of my video. I need I want it like this,
I want it like this and I also want to check. So I
negotiated a little bit with the pricing there. So they paid you. They
did pay men, It did pay me. I mean it wasn't a lot,
you know, but it's something. Don't ever tell what that number is.
I can't tell. I can't tell. It could have been, it
should have been more. But tell nobody. The New York Times still hasn't
paid me. They've been playing around right now. They've been playing around.
I don't know their payment department is. They've been playing around. They've been
playing around. They've been playing around. Okay, that doesn't sound good.
The other day it doesn't it doesn't sound good. But yeah, New York
Times and most of all the major news all that I was on the phone
with them basically for now hours. Would you have you normally? Have you
not? I shouldn't say normally, but in the past, has any let's
say national news service? And I would even say the New York Times be
not globally globally Yeah, So I had a contract with CNN and Fox News
during the protests, uh, and that twenty twenty one, I had contract
with them during the Black Lives Matter protests after George Floyd so I was working
with them very closely, and I was also working with Vice TV to get
some footage for them as well. So and more global countries from Australia also
radio stations out there were contacting me and asking me can they use this and
can they have them have me on their shows and stuff like that. Did
you do any of that? And I'll ask you this in all honesty,
did you ever? Did you do any of it for free? So?
I did a lot of work for free. But as I well, here's
why I would say. I think that that at some point, like if
you really want a job, no matter what the job is, and you
believe in yourself that and there's a place you want to work, you offer
a trial where they don't pay you, but you prove because you got the
confidence in you that you're going to get paid. Now, the other part
of that is you never want to be taken advantage of. Yeah, I
think the problem is you look like a baby. You look friendly, you
got a nice smile, and you look like a kid. That's a kid,
right. So that's I think a lot of journalists here and reporters here
in Rochester are starting to realize who I am and I had to realize my
worth too once that protesting was happening. I was getting with a lot of
footage, but it was it was a photographer from New York City who was
here, and she was like, what are you giving away all this stuff
for? Or what are you out here even filming for? You're out here
working harder than me, and you're getting away all this stuff. And she
was telling me the ins and out of how can I all checks? And
I was like, CNN had reached out to me, uh, and they
were like, well can you use this? And she was like remember what
I told you? So I was like, I want this for such and
such a price. You're not getting this, leave me alone. Did she
give you any pricing guidelines? Because you remember they give me pricing life.
So and she was she said she could, she could charge and that's the
reputation she'd had. She she can charge two thousand dollars for a three minute
video. Yeah, And I was like, especially if it's going to be
exclusive to somebody exactly and believed, you know what two thousand dollars is to
ABC News nothing like a damn thing. Do you still have contact with her?
Yeah? So I definitely me and her actually reached out. She actually
reached out to me the other day. She's like, what's going on in
Rochester? Is things getting hyped up? I might come down here. And
I was like, it's not, you know, too crazy, don't he
nothing's really major happening. Yeah, they're trying to I feel like they're just
trying to water down this case. But I there's a lot of things I
could say. It's definitely watered down. I mean water down in terms of
what you think it was more serious. You think that the idea. So
just in your opinion, being on the being at the news conferences, hearing
the conversations, say you've heard talked to people maybe privately without revealing any sources,
you think that there may be this is some deranged guy. This was
a planned thing. So this was definitely I feel like, in my opinions
planned. He could have had definitely mental illness. But when you spend days
and hours waiting for the right moment to come out, that takes a lot
of time and patience. Not only that, but if new footage was released
from the owners of one of the buildings right now, another now, another
reporter who I'm friendly with, had tweeted that out and said they were waiting
for verification from the police to say that it was actually was Archer. Was
that his name? Archer? Am I getting Michael Avery? Avery? Excuse
me Avery, but I had But it was the same footage that you had
that I saw last night. But some people were waiting to get confirmation.
Did you get confirmation that it was him or did you just that was him
in the vehicle? Yeah, from the footage from the camera footage, Yeah,
was out him. Yeah. Well I think they were waiting for the
police to say it. I think everybody gets a little shot, a little
nervous now to necessarily jump on things and then possibly be wrong. I want
to talk about that is when you just like the the the false rumors about
the notepads and journals being found. I think when you when you know your
work and you know how to do, and your family believes in you,
but not only believe when you are credible, you know and learn how to
not make mistakes like that. Yeah, and not only that, but I
do my own private investigations. You know, I authentic make sure everything is
authenticied and inaccurate. You know that was the same vehicle, same description,
same everything, and you also have to match up the timelines. But not
only that, but I match up my own timelines. So when did I
arrive on scene, when did this happen? What time was I in the
area. But not only that, but you look at other people's footages from
other businesses, ring cameras, traffic cameras, and you look at this is
all public information there. I have a huge fan base and people in the
neighborhood was like, you can get my ring footage, just leave me anonymous.
So just doing those type of private investigations and doing this, and that's
how I found out so much about the the search ones of the FBI.
I had a huge fan base and people said, this hotel was surrounded by
SWAT teams and Rochester police officers. I'm going there. I'm going there immediately.
Let's find out what they what you know? What should we know?
What is it that I have so many questions for you. I got to
answered, how do you handle criticism? Somebody wrote a nasty creature? I'm
so I'm still learning. I'm still learning, and I think it's because I
take it a little more harshly. Is because I've been dealing with it since
I was fourteen, So thirteen fourteen when I criticism, Like, there was
one today where somebody was picking on your grammar in a tweet. Did you
see that? Yeah, the grammar police, they need to. I wonder
how much it costs to be a grammar police of one? Right? Okay,
but but sometimes that that that makes people think less less, like you're
less educated or you're less something. Yeah, so I think that it's not
my My my grammar is not horrible. But it's just because I'm speedy.
So and when I'm just trying to put out something so fast, I don't
really I'm gonna I don't look over a lot of stuff. Let me ask
you this. Sometimes everybody has a different way they speak. I'll speak to
Kevin one way, and I would speak to a woman possibly a different way.
And I may talk to my mom a different way. And I have
three sons, I may talk to them differently. Do you sometimes write the
way you speak? So? And and my family always tell me, why
do you talk like a reporter? Why do you talk so like like you're
in a setting? I think I talk like this all day every day.
And mom is preparing tacos tonight yeah, it's just it's just I don't know,
it's just it's just kind of stuck with me. You know. There's
not like a family talk and a family tone. It's this is me,
this is me. Now. This tweet was meant to be mean. Am
I most tweets? No? No? This this was, like I felt
as much, was a nasty but they're always you know, but I think,
well, I'll spell it out. I think that this was picking on
the fact that you're black. I can't put the race card. I'm not
saying you're pulling the race card. I am pulling the race card. I
think this person wrote and you said something in a way that may be more
of an urban dialect, and they took it as I ain't listening to this
guy, and I thought, spoken, well, how shitty forgive my language.
I thought that that's shitty because this kid has hustled, he's in the
middle of everything doing it, and he's a one man band. I got
to tell you, kid, I find you really impressive. Excuse me,
Jeffrey, not kid. I find you really impressive. I just do.
And I know that there's been some other controversy with you because people wrote it
on under the video. Why, I think, why do you think that
is? And I say, every day, all day, I'm talking about
one particular incident from your past that someone mentioned, two people mentioned on comments,
two different just two people. But that's in people's heads. And I
go, well, that seems a little unfair to me. But I have
a reason it is. It's just the life. It is unfair. So
when I was seventeen, nearly five years ago. Now at this point,
I was seventeen years old and it was August. I had never been in
trouble before, never been in trouble with law enforcement, never had really had
any major issues in school. I was always bullied in school. So one
day, because I wanted to do this, I wanted to do the YouTube,
the news reporter thing since I was like in fifth grade. So one
day, me and my little brother, which he didn't even know what was
going on. He's twelve years old at that time. I'm seventeen. So
he goes ahead, he follows me. I take him to the city's station
where they have like cloud trucks and police cars there, and I just seen
this vehicle with keys in it, and I took off. But I was
doing that for a week straight. Now many people don't even know. And
I just started coming out about this this year, well last year going into
this year, I was doing that for a week straight, so I was
actually taking the second hang on time out. You were a pioneer for the
key Boys. Absolutely not, absolutely not. I was just saying five years
ago, you were a pioneer stealing. So what do you mean they left
the keys in the car. So yeah, so they left the keys.
Who were they? The city? The city did, and so you would
just jump in and take a little ride. Yeah, so I would.
I was taking a vehicle for like a week straight, like different types of
undercover under undercover police vehicles, yeah, uh, and just city vehicles.
And I was actually driving them to the crime scene. So I would park
the car around the corner, walk around the corner, take pictures of crimes,
and hold on, hold on. You were using their vehicles showing up
at their crime scenes to do reporting. Yeah, I do these. They
should hire you, I don't. I was doing that for a week straight
before I was called. I want everybody to know that this wasn't like an
impulsive thing. Once I got away with the first time, yeah, of
course, I was like you're seventeen. I know how to drive, but
now I can get to the scenes faster. Yeah, so I thought.
And by the way, how nice are those police cars? They look like
kind of nothing, but they've they've got better. The undercover ones was fast.
I think one time. They're better. I'm telling you, the tighter
steering columns. I've driven them. Remember they had mustangs for a while,
the Monroe County Showers. Yeah, I might have seen. I might have
been one or two of those. Listen, and then what what it was
was was way before it was back seat, not boxter. What it was
was, I think because I had so many ride alongs, I kind of
and I had so much access at this age, I kind of knew my
ins and out the city places appear apparently not you get busted. So so
that's how I got caught. So I'm putting gas, so I used to
get allowance, so listen my research. So I'm at the gas station on
Portland and Clifford Avenue, and I'm so glad that I'm so glad I have
the platform to clear this up because people won't believe me. I'm at the
gas station and I'm I try to put ten dollars in ten dollars is a
lot five four years ago. That kind of got you somewhere. We're seventeen,
right, So that filled up the car a little bit. And this
is before I got slushies. I came from Taco Bell Speedway, so we
got slushies in Taco Bell. Any stains of the front seat hot sauce stainer,
I don't know, but it was delicious. I'm not going to figure
the mill. It was a good meal. It was delicious slushies too.
It's summertime too as well. So got some slushies. Went to get some
gas at the Portland and Clifford Avenue gas station, which was a horrible decision.
This guy walks up to the vehicle and literally goes, aren't you that
news? What'd be around the neighborhood? Right in on the bike? What
are you doing in this type of car? You even old enough? He
starts reaching what appears to be a gun. Looks like a gun to me
and his waistman because I know what guns look at it, you know,
So I'm like, is that a gun? So I'm not thinking. I
called nine one one and says this guy points a gun at me, but
I've never described what vehicle man, et cetera. But I did not know
that there was a nine to one call already out for the vehicle I was
driving. So I seen the people, the kids who used to bully me
in the neighborhood, and I kind of chased them off their bikes. So
somebody seen that and called nine one. All right, this is a fantastic
story. So, yeah, it was a lot happened. I need I
need to clear there's a lot to unpacked here. Give me just a second.
So Jeffrey, you take this car. You've got your younger brother with
you. Yes, you're his hero. He thinks the world to you.
Right now. Yeah, now we're in this car. How cools this?
You take it? You get food, you get slushies, and then you
see the bullies or do you see the bullies before you got the food in
the slushies. I've seen them, Like as we're driving down Upper Falls on
our way to the gas station. It's okay, so you already had the
food, the slushes, You're feeling good, your bellies full. You see
the bully got little sugargut rust going on and everything, and you start thinking
you mofos gotcha, gotcha, You're not gonna punch me in the face this
time. This looks like an unmarked car. They think that it's the police.
Possibly, No, this was an undercover Honda, so that's it kind
of. It was an undercover Honda. So when you pull up, so
you're literally chasing them on their buddy, do they know what's you behind the
wheel? I don't think they know it was me. So what it was
was they decided to be, you know, menace in society and wanted us
to ride their bikes in the middle of the road. So now I'm blogging
my horn. But I'm like, I noticed them. I'm like, is
that that just Sean? That's that one that punched me in the face yesterday?
Rubbed the gat So yeah, so I get bullied. I was getting
a bullied a lot in the neighborhood, like nearly every day. And when
I seen him, I'm like, is that okay? Okay? I got
him. Now I finally got him rubbed in up start blowing a horn and
they was like, oh no, this guy's trying to hit us. So
they finally jumped off their bikes and I didn't know somebody noticed that because this
was like one am, twelve eight m in the morning. Yeah, and
somebody there was all you woke somebody up, probably did, probably did by
the isn't that Coca Cola? And yeah, yeah, So the officer seen
the vehicle the description of the vehicle, but they didn't know it was me.
So now this vehicle surrounded because now when I called nine one one for
the guy having a gun, they thought I had the gun. So everybody
at the gas station who wasn't trying to snitch and say that guy actually they
had a gun. They lied on me and said I pointed a gun,
I had a gun, And I'm like, whoa. So the guy who
came up and said you're the guy, you're the boy who does the reporting
right riding around the bike. Did he have a gun or was it his
cell phone? No, he had a gun, he did. I seen
him had a gun. He did have a gun. And I wish the
news stations and police would do a further did further investigation that like, but
they can't prove that. You see what I'm saying. That's how I wich
they the camera footage of the gas station. But even there I can't really
tell because if it's in the belt just because I seen it with me and
my little brother. We both seen it and we was like, we got
to get out of here. So that's when we uh kind of stayed low
and when I knew I heard the there was a call out, so I
had the little scanner rap on my phone. There was a description under the
vehicle, so I was like, dang, now they're looking for us.
So now we have to We can't leave the area because now there's this area
is swarming with cops. So I go on this side street where you were
driving. You got back behind the wheel. Yeah, So I went down
the side street and I guess the camera room the cameras one of the dispatch
seen me and they were like, we see this vehicle turning of the side
street. RPD comes behind me and next thing you know, they'm tourrounted by
twenty cop cars saying put your hands out. I hear police dog and it's
just it's it's made. Let me ask you something. You're a seventeen year
old young guy, you got your twelve year old brother. Did you cry?
I didn't cry. He was terrified. He was terrified, But I
was kind of like, man, I'm in chock. But yeah, so
then what happened at So what happened? I think he did. If I
hear the police dog, I might feel a little. So now they take
you down, and what happens? Well, I was arrested. I sat
in the Mono Cony jail for about a couple of hours. Where who had
to come and get you? My parents had to come and get me because
I was seventeen, So they came and got me. And that's when every
news station in the city was waiting outside with their cameras. I that was
the most embarrassing. I went through depression for a couple of weeks dealing with
that. I thought I wanted to kill myself because I thought it was all
over. And then I what prevented you from doing that? Going to school?
Going to school? Boy do? So this was when that kind of
made me popular. Yeah, I was just gonna say, the whole world
flipped in there there. So that flipped because I was like the nerdy kid
in school. I went to school people were talking about But it was when
I was like fourth period, I went in the cafeteria and I'm swarmed my
kids. Oh my god, Jeffy, my god, my god, my
god, like, how did you feel like? And then it just all
went from there and that's how it became more popular in high school. From
that, and then I started doing I was always doing announcements, but then
I started doing the news network in the school and became a more popular and
more kids wanted to watch me on this news network. It was like,
okay, now he's something. Yeah, so one bad thing, one one
off moment was was good for you on the inside and bad for you on
the outside. Yeah, it was. It was bad for me at first.
Yeah. Well I would say, like I think people people remember that
they're never gonna forget, and and well they should and the people and the
people who don't even know about it, the people who hasn't forgot, make
sure that they know about it. That that becomes the issue. Okay,
So well that's uh, it's a challenge, isn't it. It's a challenge
just never gonna end. Yeah what it now? Mom and Dad come and
get you. What happens when you go home? They did, they did.
They couldn't talk to me. It was it was quiet. It definitely
was quiet. Now isn't that worse than being yelled that? It was way
worse. I'm like, I'm why am I not getting dragged around? Why
a mind that it was quiet? It was like my mom. My mom
was so disappointed and shocked. I think she was more shocked than disappointing.
She was like it took probably like some days for the process because it was
not just you, but you had dragged your brother along with. I think
once they have more comfort that he was safe and okay. But it was
it was me because I had just like a year or two before that,
I had just got this big news story where I was on these TV shows
and getting all this praise for being the youngest journalist, and then to have
this fall that was a downfall. It was like, what the hell are
you doing? Okay? Do you think your dad was secretly pleased in some
way? Like I mean, I'm just gonna say, like if my kid
did that, I would be like I would never want to really good to
myself. Kids got balls. Well, my parents so none of my parents,
even my stepdad, my actualological dad, my mom, none of them
got criminal records. They've never been in trouble before, so they're not from
the street error. So they were like, this isn't so that's where a
lot of I'll tell you what I think is the biggest thing. That's what
a lot I see some comments too, saying, well, this is how
he was raised in apartment environment, okay, and that that kind of made
me mad. Do you know what that is? You know what? I
know what that is? That's the subtle racism that people talk about. Definitely
racism. Well, I can't say that it's out. It's a bath statistic,
it's a bad statistic. It's I wouldn't call it out now racism because
racism would be it's a black eyed don't let him in this door right when,
not excluding him, but we're gonna paint with a broad brush. Young
seventeen year old, young black male was doing good. Now steals a car
must be the environment he's in and where I gotta tell you, I was
a seventeen year old white male in a very herb rural area. This is
very rural, and I did all kinds of dumb shit. I had the
cops come to my house because they knew I knew everybody that was at a
party where a window got broken, and they wanted to talk to me right
now. If I were a black kid do you think I would have gotten
the same I don't know. And that's where that's always my argument with people
who say things like they don't white privilege. They hate hearing the term white
privilege because I work hard, I don't get any breaks. I'm a white
guy. That's not white privilege. What white privilege to me is that if
I stole a car at seventeen and did a little joy riding. I don't
think no news station, the judge us. It just makes me mad too.
Who is the judge? Judge? I don't know what it's probabic anyway,
Judge Miller. Actually Judge Miller, he allowed cameras in the courtroom seventeen
years old. So my attorney pressed to please get the cameras. A.
Yeah, here, here's the other thing. Maybe in a way the judge
is thinking, shame goes a long way. I don't know, but that
was Do you understand I'm saying, like, if we shame him, maybe
he'll never do this again. Clearly you never have, so have you?
No, it gets deeper, it gets deeper. Let's take a moment,
everybody. I got released from jail in November this past November. Yes,
Jesus. So it goes deeper, all right, So after that, well
don't let let let's take a break and let's find out deeper when we come
back. When we come back, this is interesting. Yes, you're very
interesting character. But I'll tell you this. I dig the hustle, and
I thought, out of all the news stations, you did the most effective
job. And the problem is more and more one nobody's got the gumption.
There isn't the fire in the belly to go do it right. And then
the other side is people who are going to be making a paycheck at this
Those companies are scaling down in cities like this, the A scale, so
there's just less manpower to do to have somebody out there. But when you're
young and you're hungry, you'll run through walls. I don't care what's going
on. Yeah, keep yourself out of jail. We'll find out why you
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You're Long and You Come. That's I've heard a lot of Michael, and
I have never heard this song. I was just gonna say so. I'm
a big fan of singer songwriter stuff. We played a song earlier tonight that
you probably never heard of it. It was a little more popular. But
I love a guy named John Hyatt, and I love songs that people probably
never really heard of. I don't think many people have heard Tennessee play,
so we play every night. I don't I don't want to many people.
I have never heard this Michael Jackson song. And I asked Jeffrey what's his
favorite artists? He said, Michael Jackson. I said, how about A
Man in the Mirror? Because I thought that was a kind of a cool
thing. As you were talking about trouble, you got into and how you
sort of I don't want to say reformed, but that's the only one I
can come up with. My dumb head, I reform yourself a little bit.
I thought that's cool to me, and he said, no, can
you play Stranger in Moscow? I've never heard of it. This is a
beautiful song. I listened to it a lot, but I don't know.
It's just it's the vibe. It's just that's that. If you ever want
to describe a vibe about me, Yeah, that's me. Like this is
it? So you're a lone and cold inside earth song? That's me.
I was gonna say, no, that's alone and dead inside. That's a
difference, not that it's you actually say it out loud, but it kind
of describes like how I feel a lot, how you feel a lot?
Do you feel like you don't fit? I don't know. I was trying.
That's why I was trying to see, do you know what album it's
on? Uh, it's not telling me here. Oh they have it on
History, So but I think that's a compilation, isn't it right? Because
it came out I think it came out as a single probably, and then
they just matched it with History. And it does look like he was older
at the time. So October third, two thousand and nine is when it
posted the YouTube, So I don't know. So YouTube came out like two
thousand and nine, Stranger in Moscow two thousand and eight or something like that,
and then earth Song would describe it. N do you feel like you
don't fit in? Is that what you're saying? You don't finish, You
don't fit in, You don't finish, never fit in? What does that
mean though? I just never fit in to where, to the crowds,
to where you live? No, just never fit in any genre. Like
I'm me, you know, like I'm like, but isn't that what we
want? Authenticity? So yeah, I don't want to Yeah, you do
when you're younger because nobody wants it. Really stary, well actually bad reasons.
I mean I tried to fit in, but then I realized like I
was getting popularity by just being me. Yeah. So as I got better,
right as I got like to high school, more people started up to
me, like for just being me. Yeah. Now let's do this first
before we get to your story. The Epstein list we heard was coming out
today and we couldn't find it and you walked into our studio and you started
dropping names that are on the list? How did you find it so quickly?
I couldn't wait for this list to come out. They've been talking about
this list for so long. I'm like, I'm going to look up court
documents. I'm going to I need to see this list. Because what got
my attention is when I heard Oprah is on it. I'm like, okay,
but do you think Oprah was going and playing with little girls and in
the way he's talking about What they're saying is underage sex trafficking, which is
awful and has and happened, and they have women, you know, who
have come forward and we're victims of that. But I don't think that because
your name's on the list doesn't necessarily mean that you were there. Now,
I will tell you something I said earlier. I always believe in life,
you got to look for patterns. Yeah, so we look for patterns,
and there's some people on that on that list that we know are going to
be on there because they I think these are just flight logs, are they
not? So? Yeah, these are just flight logs and people who have
just been in and out of the island. In and out of the island.
So this does mean that people because they have to say who in other
words, of a private jet goes down, we need to know who was
on there, right right, there are four souls or spi soals yeah,
yeah, so, but you also have to say the destination. So all
these people went to the island. So Oprah went to the island or was
just on his plane? Do you understand what he could have said to her?
Hey, listen, I'm going to La fly with me. Now.
He's a funny thing because those flight logs also show the destinations. Okay,
so I gotta look into deeper to the destinations. But are they showing that
in the list that's out of names or they just putting out names on the
list? Right? I think they're just putting on names on the list.
Did you see the names Dan Burrillo or Doug Phelps on there? I can't
remember. I mean this, you gotta take a look to one hundred and
fifty names. Yeah yeah, and you had to be a prize to see
Dougie's on there. The amount of names on her. When I when I
seen Jeffrey Epstein in the stage, maybe, but listen, when I seen
Obama's name on there. M hmm. I'm like, why does that?
Why is that making nervous? Because if Obama can go to this island,
John Legend's on there, he was on there as well. Who else was
he might maybe they got the good mangos. Well no, but you go
to the who was not hanging around a billionaire? Well see, here's the
bad part in America. We love winners, right, and what of what
a celebrity thing? Celebrities? What have rich guys done? They want?
Right? They want They got all the toys, and so we want them
because we want stuff from them, and the politicians want them. And then
the celebrities they probably John Legend probably do just want to be friends with Jeffrey
Epstein. But if Jeffrey Epstein's money's there. But if Jeffrey Epstein's gonna say,
I'll fly you and your wife to my island, hang out for the
week, and I'll pay you a million dollars to play a concert at a
private party at the end of the week, are you not going I'm taking
it? Well, this all came out, That's what I'm saying. So
I don't know why these people are on the list. And so the bad
part is it's automatically. And this is the trouble I have with news today
is because sometimes I don't we don't know because it's presented in a fashion to
us and it and because there's so many sources now, right, we've got
a CNN and we've got a Fox, and they do seem to have their
ways of leaning right. It's not so much just the facts. And so
when we see something on Twitter or even if you read something, sometimes you
have to dig a little deeper. I like what you said where you said,
I want to dig deeper as to you know, where were they going
right, because I think maybe it's because I'm younger or I'm just more passionate,
But turn it's like when they're in a position they don't take anymore.
They're just like they kind of like, i'll tell you why everything off the
top, and I'll I'll tell you why. I think that is. I
think they have to work faster. I think some of these newsrooms are understaffed,
where you know, one reporter would also get a producer with them to
help them, right, basically an assistant. And I think they're understaffed.
And I think now in the world of Twitter, you got to get it
out fast. I follow at least, let's just say, on the local,
the local AB scene, the local NBC and CBS. I'll get push
notifications all the time about car you know, things like car accidents. Right.
We don't have Epstein's playing landing in Rochester that I know of, so
that's not But if something like that happened, they'd all be pushing it out
because they got to get there first. And and I think that's hurt us,
hurt that the storytelling of journalism. I think, yeah, not only
that, but you know, there's not a lot of people who want to
be in the news industry anymore. You got TikTok YouTube where people can just
pick up a phone and be like them do this without a degree or without
working my way ups in the networks, right, which kind of kind of
a path I took. The independent lane is an interesting path to go,
having been the you know, the corporate path where I worked for companies and
then doing it on your own. You aise all on your own. When
you're doing it, you are all on your own from every aspect of it.
But on the other side, you get to kind of say whatever you
want. Now, I'm not in the two layout facts. I like,
I like to think this, I like to say what I want. Well,
that's why I love my platform. Yes, yes, but which then
would almost be not necessarily always the facts. You got to just well,
I make sure kind of say what you want to be. You want to
be a personality, you want to be factual. So how I put my
reputation up was to be unbod. I have a lot of opinions, no
a lot, but I never put my opinions in the stories. You never
want to do that. You let people have their own point of view.
Right. That's the issue with journalism today is you have left wing and right
wing. So where did you learn that? So I learned it from I'm
just growing up and hearing a lot of reporters talk dirty. Uh when it
came to the media game, and uh, listening to a lot of people
behind the scenes. It made me become more unbiased when it become when it
came to my journalm but not on journalism, but I would hang out with
Again, I grew up with a lot of police officers and they would always
say, man, this news are so biased, or man, this is
and I would hear I would sit like I was close with Mayor Lovely Warren,
and she would say, well, these news and are not treating me
right. They're not. They're so boys. They keep putting on these lines
and all that. And then I would hear more people, more people in
people from community like why are they putting this? So I decided, well,
I'm gonna write my stories, but I'm gonna keep my opinions. And
now I may say in my opinions on Twitter or something like that, but
in my stories, absolutely not. You gotta let people have their own point
of view. Well, you just want to present the facts. This is
what we know. I think that a lot of times that you have to
be very I would call it critical thinking. Right, just because the names
on the list, we can't jump to the conclusion, even though we want
to. For that now, I would also say critical thinking, we look
at the pattern and if you've got somebody who has a reputation of being somewhat
of a sex addict, let's say, right, and they're on that island.
I may say, where there's smoke, there's fire, but we don't
have proof. So we don't have proof. We can Well, the interesting
thing of The investigation that they did as well is, you know, Jeffrey
Epstein had a lot of money, and he had a lot of power.
You know what money does, and he knew a lot of people in law
force for me makes people. They he cleared out his home. He took
his own security systems out, took every single computer, everything that every technology,
paperwork, everything was removed out of there. Then he took a flight
he left. It was a mysterically traveling When the FBI came in and do
research, warn't there was nothing they could really find because somebody tipped him.
The only right the only thing they found was in the red couch that all
the victims were talking about describing in this big master bathroom. They were describing
the red couch, which and it was there, and it was there.
That was the only thing that they had for incredible evidence. So you're doing
all kinds of news. This isn't just Monroe County. If it's news,
I dig I think it may not be a story I'll published, but I
definitely talk about it. Okay, when you say talk about it, where
are you flapping? So I would like make little tweets, are I go
live on my Facebook page? And just dig into these stories and chill my
fan base what I found and uncovered. Okay, all right, so now
you said there was more. How did you leave us in the last segment
you said there was more? Yeah, there was more. There was more
trouble, yeah, from the same thing. So it just it was this
loophole where the system, I just this system had had a good had me
on a tight leash. And so after the car incident happened, I was
placed on five year probation. And when this agreement for a youthful offender to
if I complete the five years, that I will be able to What did
you have to do while on probation? Nothing? You just live your life.
I just had to go there like once a week, and that was
it. They never drug test me because I was in a high profile criminal
I never smoked week your house. They did, but that was only if
I moved. They just had verified that that was an actual location. But
the probation was a little lighter on me because I wasn't out there, you
know, I didn't. I think they knew there's a kick going for joy
ride, right, So it wasn't like I was out there in the car,
right and I'm like, it isn't the boys just stitching it under the
bridge. I was driving. I was driving crime scenes, trying to get
to the story the thing that's the funniest, which is okay, look,
that's why it needs to be consequences. Okay. So they put me on
five year probation, which is horrible for me because I was put on the
pandemic. It literally the pandemic, and it kind of slowed the process,
shut out the courtroom short, shut out the courthouses down. So I wasn't
able to accept the deal immediately how I want it, So I had to
wait for the pandemic to kind of slow down to the end of twenty twenty
twenty, where then I was finally put on probation. And so your probation
goes to twenty twenty five, it too, Yeah, it went for twenty
twenty five, twenty twenty six. So because I accepted at the end of
twenty twenty, so I was played some probation. So this happened in twenty
seventeen. No, this happened in twenty nineteen. August twenty nineteen, I
took the vehicle. Yeah, but the court's closed, so October twenty twenty.
So then by the time they get to your case, now the pandemic.
H it's right, Okay, so now everything's delayed. So now all
right, So now so now Jesus cross mystery. So we go. So
now you're you're under probation until twenty twenty six, right, but I'm off
now right with a deal that was made, So then I didn't get in
trouble for the rest of twenty twenty. Twenty twenty one hit a week after
I graduate, or it was a week after I graduated. Okay, So
we're talking like June early July. I was sitting in parking lot. I
had just came from a shooting. I was editing in my vehicle when I
discovered that the vehicle was like rubbing on this engine, like stuck on the
gas on Elmwood at the Elmwood and wherever. That's the pooling thing. Was
the some guy, random guy that was sitting there so with me. You
know, I'm seeing smoking out of the vehicle. Now I'm like, what's
going on. I'm knock on the window and it looks like the guys like
the cars this summertime. So the inside of this vehicle is not foggy,
and I'm like, okay, this is interesting because it's summertime. I'm knock
on the door and the guy's like summed over, like not breathing. It
appeared to be it was an overdose, so you know, I'll try to
give medical treatment. I called nine one one immediately. I said, I
need immediate. This guy needs a medical assistance immediately. He's not responding.
Fire emails come save this man's life. They saved this man's life. And
police show up. They see a taser on my side and they say is
this a taser? So I give the taser to them. While they're saving
this man's life. The paramedican fire is saying, you know you saved this
man's life. You know, if you weren't hit, this man would have
died. Fire emails left to see and I'm talking to police officer. I'm
like, well, am I getting my taser back? Now? Hands mind
you back. You're underrest because you had a weapon. But it's not lethal
force, is it? The taser is not lethal force? No, that
was arrested just for the taser. Are you not allowed? Did you know?
They? I don't think because New York state laws with tasers are so
different. Yeah, but what's probation? So even if I was, I
would have never been a rested if it weren't for probation. No, no,
no, no, no no, no, I wouldn't. I wouldn't
have been arrested if the penal laws were that should be updated in New York.
So I think a state judge had striked it down, seeing it's unconstitutional
to with whole tasers from the citizens. So I end up was taken into
custody. So mind you. So they gave me the parents ticket at the
scene, they took my taser, gave me the parent ticket. About three
days later, my house is surrounded. Jeffrey Rodgers, come out, you
have a warant for your arrest probation. The judge says, she wants you,
she wants you in custody. So I ended up doing two weeks in
jail twenty twenty one. I was released in July eighth. I think July
eighth was I or I was released a little bit after July eighth. And
where do you do your time? Jail? How bad is that? What?
It was? Pandemic? So no, inmates can't react with any tea
right, So it was like you're sending us all day during the pendmic.
Yeah, that was it. You get your food and that was it.
I was just watching like the news on the tablets they gave you there.
So I was released. Didn't get in trouble for the whole twenty twenty two.
What do your parents say about all this shit? You know, they're
they're like, you need to settle. They're afraid for me. They're always
afraid. They've been afraid for me since I was right out there riding my
bicycle. Took rime sere. Yeah. Sure, So I didn't get in
trouble for the whole twenty twenty two and twenty twenty two. I was actually
my career was going like gut. I went to the Buffalo mass shooting.
Everything was going good, twenty twenty three hits and this where things become rocky.
So April I got into a dispute with a girlfriend. So we end
up charging each other and then charging each other with what as salt. Yeah,
you lay hands on each other. I don't want to go into details,
but we I mean, it's popular record, but things happened. The
little dispute happened. But thankfully, you know, we resolved it. So
we pressed charges on each other. So that was it. That was a
violation. So the judge of probation. So the judge seeing that, and
then she's like, well, I've been following you, young man. I'm
not going to take you into custoder this time. She let me find my
kiss from the outside. And then in June, I was shot at by
the key boys. They surround a vehicle, chased me all the way near
the blocks until I got to the police station, where then I was arrested
again for having a taser. I went in her screaming and crying, asking
for help. I just got shot at. There's bulleholds in my vehicle.
Uh, and I was arrested. Pensions, put your hands, bunch of
back. You're arrested for this having a staser. This is it. I
don't know what to say. What So are teasers? Can you look that
up? So they are legal? They are legal, and they are legal
or illegal legal, So they're legal and there's some loop poles around it.
That's how I was able to win my cases so now at this point,
but okay, so when you say win your cases, that that's an attorney
that's doing that. For you. Yeah, so where's that money coming from?
These are public defenders who are following these mon I've never even seen the
public defender work that good ever, they did incredible. I'm like, are
you who's paying you? On the side. My instant, my instant thought
when I hear this is one of the biggest, big complaints. And I
don't know. I'm a white guy. I'm a white middle aged guy.
I am I am the the enemy of the world, right, isn't that
what it is? I'm the toxic masculinity, I am the what So my
instant thing is okay, But there's lots of people who are very upset that
some of the key boys were arrested and immediately released back to steal more cars,
cause more problems, cause kill each other, kill each other. K
and we're gonna stop a kid who was asking for help and get them for
a taser. Yeah. So then I was arrested for that taser. Uh.
They gave me the appearance ticket, but this time they took all of
my They took all of my weapons this time, so they took my pocket
knife, my mace, and taser, which I was still on probation.
I was not allowed to my probation officer would extress this, You're not allowed
to have this. So I found out that why don't you listen? I
was scared. I was right, and I've been stabbed and shot at three
times. Yeah, and I'm absolutely stabbed you. So I was set up
on North Kinlind Avenue. I was stabbed at fifteen years old or fifteen sixteen
years old? Or did they stabbed you in your belly? Yeah? They
gave me a cut on my arm, stabbed me in my arm, and
somebody came up and before I think they were gonna kill me. I feel
like person only I feel like but somebody must have been watching from this guy
from watching from the neighborhood, and he had pulled up, like because we
were behind the apartments. Why do you think they wanted to kill you?
Because they noticed me from school, They noticed me from school, and they
noticed me as a snitch somebody who works with the cops, somebod who they're
talking to police. So that was the right. How bad are the gangs
in How bad? Let me rephrase that, is there a lot of gang
activity. There's a lot of unorganized the gang activity very unorganized. It's not
like an organized CPS type thing. Gangs here are very unorganized. You have
gang members who are switching back and forth. This is a new era of
gangs. So and I do a lot whichever gang has the hotter chicks.
I don't know how. I mean, I do a lot of Like I've
been doing a lot of digging about the gang activity here, and a lot
of a lot of gang members are not really loyal to their gangs anymore.
So there's a new But when you go out and you report that you're putting
yourself at risk, absolutely people deserve to hear stories. What about your family?
Don't do you live with your family? Nobody's going to come after my
family. No, but I mean they wouldn't. Okay, I don't think
anybody's gonna come up from Faim Definitely me though, I'm saying that, definitely
somebody wants to pull the go I'm saying if there's a drive by, if
I you know, if somebody sees somebody in the car and it's a drive
by, someone's in the car with you. I don't drive them all with
people. And I tend to not drive them all with people. I don't
want to look. I don't I certainly don't want to put ideas anybody said.
This is just very strange to me, because one is there is I
don't think anybody's really covering what's happening in the in the city of Rochester.
I have a big belief that as the city goes, so go the suburbs.
In other words, the city is really would be the epicenter of our
economics and everything. And for a long time was you had Kodak, Bausan
Lom and all these things that were really funding in the arts and all that
was coming out of the city. It's not so much now. And I
think that people are often afraid to go down there because of sometimes stories that
don't really aren't real. But yet other times we just keep hearing the conscious
of people say, well, I'd rather not go there. It sounds folent,
it gets scary. Yeah, I think, you know, just working
in the streets and I do a lot of community engagement, So I would
get up my car, I would either walk down North Clinton Avenue, Jefferson
Avenue, Childlie Avenue. How you doing today, I'm Jeffrey Rogers reporter.
Most of the neighborhoods know me. I grew up in these neighborhoods. So
I have a closer relationship with a lot of high profile gang members, people
who sell drugs, and I talk to them. I would like to call
those people entrepreneurs and people who sell drugs. I mean they're doing a business
and I guess so, and in some people's minds, I'm not gonna lite
to you. There was one time where I walked into a building. It
was a trap building. They were selling croke cocaine right in front of my
eyes, and they trusted me that much. This happened this summer. Well,
they were selling cocaine right in front of my eyes, and I'm like,
I can't believe they trust me like this. They cooked, They offered
me some barbecue, and at that point I get a chicken good delicious.
Of course it was delicious. I had to make sure I had no cocone,
but it was delicious. They put a little on the barbecue, so
it gives it that kick. But I had that type of a relationship with
people in the neighborhood. And so if you have that type of relationship,
people trust you with more information, they trust you more and more and more.
Do you want to stay here though? This is this is not the
end road. I mean maybe if I have a big break here, I
might stay, but you know, me being in the next few years,
I see myself probably in a bigger city doing what I did. Well,
why have you tried? I've had job offers. Do you send do you
send your stuff out? Ever? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I've had
job offers, but they were shutting me down, shutting me down or not
worth it. They were shutting you down. In what I can no longer
speak on GSL news, that was like you have to set that off in
order to work for them, right, Okay, yeah, well that but
you understand that it would be competition, right, and that that was in
me. So you want to keep that, so that that's what you want
to grow. You don't want to go somewhere else. You want I want
to go somewhere else, maybe temporarily, but oh I'm always going to be
If we did this, what if what if we did this? Listen to
me, What if you did this? What if you had GSL here and
then you went up and set up another shop and found another person like you
who had the same oh my gosh passion immediately, then we have GSL Chicago
and GSL. I'm doing that GSL, but nobody's just passionate Syracuse, you
know what I mean. Nobody's that passionate and that's my idea. Yeah,
well, no one's ever going to be as passionate about your idea as you,
right, But nobody's like it. Nobody has the vision that I have.
They don't, they're not, and you can't expect that, and you
can't. I think that's You've got to find the people. But there are
people out there that will have that do something better than you do it,
which is right. There may be somebody who can edit faster than you and
there's maybe and those kind of people you can find over time. I just
I like the hustle. I hate hearing the I don't like the stories of
I don'tlways say this. I think that because you're a black kid, it
works against you sometimes. I think so too. I mean, I don't
know how else to say it. And I'll tell you what the bullshit that
people say often is we need to have a discussion about race problem. Is
that when we hear of a young black man that stole a police car,
I think, do you know what I'm saying? And I'm just I've never
said this publicly, but I would. I would have never been charged with
a felony. They would have never tried to charge me as an adult try
or charge me with a felony if I was a white kid. I just
because I should have the original charge should have been. Everybody's gonna say to
you, I should have been charged with joy riding. We don't know,
right and to bring back put your news head on. We don't know right,
well, we don't know in there, But I would say, if
I were putting a bet in Vegas, I bet you're right. But not
even that I'm saying for other news stations who put up false information to say
I was pointing a gun. They did find a BB gun inside the vehicle,
but they I never pointed that BB gun. I mean, that was
just that was bad journalism there to say I was pointing a gun and I
was out there being a menace. I was kind of being a minute.
So is this why then you told us at one point this is going along?
But you uh that you hire armed guards to come with you sometimes.
Yeah, so in the summertime, I usually hire like an armed security the
ride around with me. Legit armed security or or let me ask you,
and I'm I'm no, this is a legit like if he I'm thinking I
might again, No, no, I know I need somebody if they're going
to fire their weapon, that's a legal they know where to shoot, right,
and nobody else is coming after these Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
got you, I got you. I uh yeah, I I I don't
mean to be that blunt, but I don't know what else to say.
I think that that sometimes it works against you. And I think then when
you don't speak the English the way people want you to, that all those
things are a little you know, it comes down it's it's uh racial,
I don't know that it's racist, but it's racial. Yeah, And it's
points. It's points that people go, h, I don't know, yeah,
you know, and that that stuff I think is unfair. Yeah,
there's a lot of things. You don't seem to be slowed down by it,
though, But I want to I want I want to get back to
the story before we uh continue on. Is so after my after I did
the three uh so, after I was in jail as well. So I
was in jail. It was the rest of the Taylor had all these charges
and the judge finally took me into custody after she's seen I was continued to
wrack up these charge After the taser arrest, I was sitting in jail and
so you were in jail when is this? Now this is August this year
and you were in for how long? Three months? The longest I've did
in jail. And now now you can interact with prisoners, So now we
can. That's where it gets interesting. You're a big dude, not at
all, You're kind of pretty. So now, wow, awkward saying you
know what I mean? Like I'm just saying like they probably would. You
must have felt like you're back at school getting in prison. Yeah, so
now you know a lot of people don't understand is I did three months in
there, but mindu. While I was serving my time, an officer decided
to slap twenty two traffic tickets on me an additional three to other charges.
So I found out about that the first full month I was there, attruction
of government, driving with a suspended license and driving with a suspended license,
and the other charge was a structional government driving a suspended license and out fleeing
from police. So with the twenty two driving tickets, And basically this officer
said that I drove off. I took off from them. I had a
short police chase and I was driving with a suspended license, which I was
driving with suspended license, and the reason why I was driving was the suspended
license was because the key boys decided to run into my vehicle. So the
traffic tickets that I got was for the damage that was already on my vehicle.
So it kind of kept me in this loophole. And I was like,
this is an unfair system. Keyboards smashed into my vehicle. Do this
much damage to my vehicle? I get tickets for it? Why are you
getting tickets for it? Because you can't move it from somewhere. No,
because the damage was like you know, there's no back headlights. I guess,
okay, okay, so you didn't pass inspection, right, it wasn't
deck cars never passed inspection. Here's the here's the other problem though. Now
those kind of things I think would happen to anybody, right, do you
understand what I'm saying? No matter what shade no, right, right,
So they gave me both so that he gave me those tickets. But some
of this is just to me, young man arrogance mine, Yeah, I
had too much arrogance, or yeah, some of it, some of it?
Now, hold on, hold on, let me explain, God,
let me explain why. Let me explain. You're not the first to say
this thought. Let me let me explain why. And when I say that
I was a young man, yeah, I did the same thing. I
ignored tickets. I got on the radio once and thanked an officer for not
showing up at court and saving me four hundred and seventy five dollars. You
know what happened to me Every day I drove home from doing a midnight to
six am radio shift, I got pulled over every day. I got tickets
for loud muffler. I didn't have a loud muffler. I got tickets.
Oh so because you said on air? Yes? So my point with you
never sir, No, no, no, no. I understand when I
say young man arrogance, I'm not saying you're arrogant. I'm saying, like,
it's this thing of I gotta go do this thing, and even though
my car won't pass inspection, I'm still going to cover the story. I'm
driving that that's the young man arrogance. I'm talking about almost as though the
law doesn't apply to you. Do you understand what I'm saying? Okay,
that's what I mean. You've taken a nerve of you know, just I'm
not gonna love it though, I'm not trying to make it. I'm not
trying to make you mad. I'm not what I'm saying is I My point
is, I did it. I did it. So I'm thirty years older
than you. I see what this is. You're hungry, you don't give
a crap. You're gonna go do whatever you want to do, right,
and you gotta do this. But your car's banged up, right, well,
that is going to get you tickets. And then if you're under probate,
if you're on probation already for what is kind of a silly thing.
Maybe not, but whatever that let's just say. But either way, the
system guy, you're under probation, you probably shouldn't have you know, you
shouldn't have the pepper spray. You know, you shouldn't have the knife.
I don't know about the taser. I would think that that also falls into
that category. Okay, so now all those things, but again I will
call it young man arrogance in that, Hey, f your rules. I'm
doing my job. I'm not harming anybody. It's not like I'm out here
stealing Kias. It's not like I'm out here. That's what I'm saying.
Please don't take that as me being mean. So I had to realize I
was doing that, and I've been knew I was doing it because people always
tell I'm arrogant and such. Well, it's not arrogant. Arrogant is like
you're better than anybody. I don't get that impression from you. You don't
act like you're better than anybody. But what I think is when it comes
to the law, you're you're hard headed, you want to do it.
Yes, you want to do what you want to do. You want to
cover the news. And if your car's banged up and it wasn't your fall,
well f these guys. I'm driving anyway because the Kia boys did it.
And I understand that, and I know that thinking because I thought the
SAME's me. Want to know what, I'm white, you're black. We're
human. That's my point. We're human. And so there is the thing.
Unfortunately, sometimes you got to rein it in in order to get ahead,
you got to take a step back, right and and sort of play
by the rules. I hated playing by the rules. I hated it.
I don't like the rules. I hate exactly. That's why you're better off
being independent. But at the same time, when it comes to the law,
it just keeps getting more more expensive. Now here's where it gets interesting.
And you've done time in jail, right, So now I'm so after
that they didn't have enough evidence to prove against me, seeing that Polota from
there was nobody can footage that was dismissed. That case was dismissed. Not
only was it that case dismissed, girlfriend never showed up to court that was
dismissed. Taser has found out to be legal. So not only did they
the case was dismissed, but they had to give me back all of my
items. They took my two tasers all these cases. And then I made
a deal with the court system to do a payment plan to get the license
of suspending. Then after that I was released and I asked what the total
cost of that was from New York State. So I'm probably playing about fifteen
hundred dollars worth of tickets. Damn. So they dropped all those tickets,
but they're talking about their twenty two traffic ticket they dropped. But the previous
tickets I never paid. I still got to pay the rights there, and
there's fines on top of fine. You don't pay them. So I'm on
a penny plane. Are you wonder how arrogant I was? You know,
the High Falls area. Just to show you what, I know what I'm
talking about when I say this stuff, and I don't want you to think
I mean, yeah, I'm not picking on you. There was a so
I worked for a radio station in the High Falls upper They had their studios
there. They somebody screwed up my parking for the garage, so I go,
screw it. And I used to pull up and I would park right
in front of the studio door. Every day at eight o'clock they would come
around and put a parking ticket out there, and every day I go this,
did they put a boot on there? Finally I got so many boots
and so many fines. I never got a boot. I'm sure I pay
my parking. That's one thing about me. Because I know I'm not parking.
They can put a boot, but you know what that is. I
just like to think. I don't think I'm better than anybody. But that's
arrogance. That's arrogance that I had. That's what I'm talking about. So
what I'm saying to you was like, you gotta be careful because you know
you've already they've already put you in jail, right, so for ship that
most people shouldn't be in jail for, right, So when the jails are
crowded and we've got all this other ko why it was ridiculous. And then
after that, so I was released in November. I started working about five
days after I was out, like really pushing it hard. I'm at this
police chase and the first week of December and I have body cam foot the
chicks because I wear about I remember my own equipment to I wear a vest
body cam and I saw it. Is that a bulletproof vest? Yes?
That is level four. So literally I'm at this police chase. I'm taking
a war zone. This Rochester is a war zone. So then I'm at
this crime scene and there's now four police officers standing behind me and I hear
them whispering. I should have never said it, but I said, are
you guys planning to arrest me again instead of thinking about it. They Instead
they were thinking about it this taser again, the teaser that the DA's office
had to give me back, and they had gave me back because I won
the case. So it's becoming this loophole of now I'm not able to protect
myself. They're trying to arrest me for something else again. Yeah, and
then they're threatening me with the car and I don't know, maybe some officer.
There's a lot of officers who love me and support me, and I
support them too, but there's a lot of officers who may not like there
like me too much of the scree what I do. Yeah, I don't
know. I can't speak to that. I would just say that Unfortunately,
there are rules, and when you break the rules, there are some people
that can look beyond it and say, this is really what do we what
do we call it? Like? You know, you can kind of have
a judge look at it and go, well, this isn't exactly by the
letter of the law. Warning don't do it again, right right, And
that happened a few times. This is it for me, This is where
what I'm not going to jet again? Well, I hope not. This
is that was it for me? I think? But the thing that I
had to do was but do you think that that I had to sit next
to murderers. I did stories on every single day for ninety days. Yeah,
I had to do it for ninety days. What is it like?
How's it? I feel like we should have you back for another episode.
Definitely got to have you back. When can we do that? Yes?
Well, just one of these days. How do we do this? Just
call me? I'm here. What do we do? We do it tomorrow?
We could do it even on the phone with you tomorrow, bad day.
Oh yeah, we definitely could do it on the phone. Yeah,
maybe I'll call you that way. You're not coming all the way back out
here. Yeah, But because I want to hear more about I'll ask you
this and we'll we'll leave it here, because I do want to go into
you feel like you don't have a good relationship with the mayor of this city?
Yes, yeah, and I wonder how much you think you're your indiscretions,
I'll call him. I don't know. But the things that have happened
over the years, right and again, we I talked about patterns with the
people on Epstein's list right, people who had a propensity for a high sexual
appetite. Maybe, Oh my god, do you understand what I'm saying?
Every time he says that, it's like makes my stomach hart like, oh
my, well, I don't mean it like that. People usually I can't
really, I just can't believe this this is going on. I just thought
the thought of, you know, sex is sex feels good. The thought
of people like getting raped, and yes, well that stuff is awful,
awful. But my point is when there's a pattern and they start to go,
well, he was arrested for the car thing, and then he violated
his probation, and then he violated his probation again, and then he ACKed
up all these tickets, and then he did this. And what I think
I see you as is, hey man, I'm just trying to do a
job. I didn't use the taser on anybody. I saved a guy's life
from a drug overdose. Do you I get I believe me when I say
to you, I get what's going on. I get what's going on.
What are people saying? They say nasty shit about me? Nah, people
are cool. People are cool, especially on this one. But that that's
my only that's that's my thing. But I want to know, like in
jail, how uncomfortable is it because you got to go shower, Yes,
with everybody shower for like the first I didn't shower for like the first four
or five days though there sure nervous, not nervous, but it's just one
room, right. I was so depressed I couldn't even really talk to people
that much. But once I started coming up, people were like, is
that it's not the newsboy? You just did a story on me. I
thought so. The guys were kind of like welcoming, welcoming, welcoming to
me, And you know, I had a lot of protection in there,
but I did had get into multiple fights while I was in there. I've
never even been into fights before, so I had to learned how to fight
in there, and I had to work out in there to try to build
my muscle up to defend myself. I was denied productive right in mental crowning.
I was deny protective custody, which was like, awhile I didn't get
any they said, there was no way we're gonna be able to protect you
because we've done so many stories. So they were and these guys wanted to
beat you up. Right, The only way I was going to get protective
custody is were I was gonna have to stay in my cell all day,
and I'm not doing that. So did they? Who? Who? Anybody?
Beat you up? But I got into I wouldn't say beat me up.
But I've definitely had some fist fights. There was fist fights. I
was I've been bruised and I've bruised people. Uh, there was definitely fights.
But you know, I had a box, I know how to fight.
No, I didn't know how to fight that much. But now I've
gained, I'm getting into I want to get into boxing. Actually, I
instructed something I definitely want to get into because I'm not going to ask you
that. If I'm fighting somebody, I want to knock you out. Yeah,
like that's my mentality. Well, the problem is, like you know,
a lot of times I don't want to play fair. I want to
knock you out. Period. There's the arroganferent. Well, I don't mean
the arrogance. You're taking it the wrong way. I like the word arrogant.
I like, well, I think you're taking it the wrong way,
and I don't want to No, no, I'm not taking it the wrong
way. I kind of like being called arrogant. It's not what I'm saying,
though you're taking it as I'm arrogance by definition would be somebody who has
an air about them and thinks they're better than other people. I don't think
well with you. I think you think that sometimes these rules shouldn't apply to
me because it's not fair. And I was the same guy the rules shouldn't
apply to me because it's not fair. All I did was say, hey,
thanks for saving me money, and now you're giving me a million tickets.
Hey, I paid this one parking ticket. I'm here. I came
out at eight oh five and they wrote a ticket at eight o'clock. Fuck
them. That's arrogance for the rules, and that's what I'm saying, not
that you're arrogant. I need to make sure you understand that because I am
very impressed by you. So people can't see it, but I pull out
my badge or you see my badge, so I'm ready tell news. Yeah,
I like that. That's impressive. That's always got a bad Joe.
You never know where the story is gonna pop out of. Yeah, here
like a detective all right, we'll close it out. I would like to
talk to you more about why you think and maybe we can do maybe we
can do tomorrow a segment on the phone. Yeah, definitely where we can
talk about and then think about this. You feel like there are people in
power who have been trying to silence you. Definitely, Okay, I want
to feel I want to hear why and why you think that, so this
becomes like a three part series now with you. Yeah, and I'd like
to have you in with your mom sometime for me you and your mom to
talk. Definitely, definitely, because I'd like to hear her fears and what
she thinks and at the same time how proud she probably is. See a
couple of old white guys ain't so bad. Follow gs on News on everything.
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like to then have you on maybe once a week or so, even on
the phone or in studio if you can make it, just to tell us
in studios. Yeah, well we're good. In studio. Everybody gets a
little bit better because you can see each other. There's more to communication than
just words, right, it's it's a lot of body language and that stuff.
I hope you liked being on here. I love it. I love
it. I love it. All right. Well, I hope you enjoyed
it, and I would like to have you back, all right, Jeso
news everyone. For Jeffrey Roche, I leave you with one name on the
Epstein list, Yes, Stephen Hawking, go to sleep on that, okay.
Who's there for a massage always? Man? I mean I don't know.
For Kevin Muir, for Jeffrey Epstein's list, I'm Bill Moran and we'll
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