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Please, Rants, sit down and 27 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:24,879 be prepared for the most ridiculous situation you ever heard. Well, Markholm, 28 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:30,599 that takes in a lot of territory. As a private investigator, you've encountered 29 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:32,199 a lot of weird murders. I know as a district attorney, so have 30 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:37,000 I I am well aware of that. What's so completely fantastic about this one. 31 00:03:37,159 --> 00:03:38,280 Let me give you a rundown on it, all right. First of 32 00:03:38,319 --> 00:03:42,319 all, you heard of John Williams. I get leader gunman shot dead last 33 00:03:42,439 --> 00:03:44,800 night. Yes, I read about it on the way down here. You 34 00:03:44,879 --> 00:03:46,800 only read part of it. Believe me. Williams had a three way deal 35 00:03:46,879 --> 00:03:51,400 with two other operators, Sam Foster and Whitey Morrow. They had a working 36 00:03:51,439 --> 00:03:53,240 arrangement, but as I understand it, they split last month. Nothing too 37 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:58,199 fantastic about the situation yet, Markholm. Wait, it's reasonable to believe, 38 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,840 as we do, that either Sam Foster there a White Morrow killed Williams. 39 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,400 The motive is obvious, Mark Complete, all right, all right, I 40 00:04:03,439 --> 00:04:05,479 just wanted to bring you up to date on the background. I listened. 41 00:04:06,039 --> 00:04:09,919 Williams lived in the house in the country. Yes, you know how it 42 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,439 rained all day yesterday. Certainly I know. I just had my car washed. 43 00:04:13,759 --> 00:04:16,439 Always rains immediately afterward. I have the same thing happened when I wear 44 00:04:16,439 --> 00:04:19,639 a suit. It's just been dressed. Let's get back to Williams. His 45 00:04:19,759 --> 00:04:23,879 house in the country was surrounded, completely surrounded, mind you, by a 46 00:04:23,959 --> 00:04:27,120 sea of mud. Williams was shot inside the house. There was no way 47 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,839 for the killer to get in except by going through the mud, and there 48 00:04:29,879 --> 00:04:34,160 were no footprints. Vance. How did I know? Yes, that would 49 00:04:34,199 --> 00:04:38,519 be fantastic, and you assured me this case was yes, Yes, How 50 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,839 do you know the killer didn't arrive and leave before the rain? Your guessing 51 00:04:41,879 --> 00:04:45,199 was good advance, but not complete. Williams had a housekeeper. She was 52 00:04:45,199 --> 00:04:47,399 home when the shop had killed him was fired. She came downstairs but saw 53 00:04:47,519 --> 00:04:50,959 nover me but on the yard lights and immediately noticed no footprints and there were 54 00:04:50,959 --> 00:04:54,920 no convenient trees. If that's what you're thinking, she might have killed Williams, 55 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,560 or she might be lying. I doubt it. No Vance, she 56 00:04:57,639 --> 00:05:00,759 is no our killer, whoever it is, Sam Fos sure a Whiteymorrow. 57 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,399 I's figured out a murder that we can't possibly tie to him because there isn't 58 00:05:03,399 --> 00:05:24,720 a way in the world it could have been done. Hey, mister Forrester, 59 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,680 Yes, ask her? What? Yes? I just said, Hey 60 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:33,040 mister Foster. Oh yeah, Hey mister Forrester, eight subway trades. Pretty 61 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:38,360 keep your mind on what you're doing, I said, eight subway trades, 62 00:05:38,439 --> 00:05:42,800 pretty, mister forst I heard you. I'm keeping my mind though, what 63 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,839 I'm doing. Anna ask her if you weren't so handy with a gun? 64 00:05:45,879 --> 00:05:48,519 I couldn't stand you around me. But I am keeping my mind though what 65 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,439 I'm doing. Please answer the question I ask, not the one before. 66 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:56,560 I'd driving me nice? Well, if I wasn't handy with a good why 67 00:05:56,639 --> 00:05:59,920 couldn't you stand? I passed that? Ask her? Do me a pay? 68 00:06:00,079 --> 00:06:03,959 Shut up? You know why I don't answer the same question you're asking. 69 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:09,399 I answered him what before? Why? Because it takes time to get 70 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:14,120 things through my head. I ate quick, except with a gun. I 71 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,319 look, we get everything I said up till now. Just listen, listen 72 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:23,160 to me. Okay, okay, that's better. We know Whitey Morrow comes 73 00:06:23,199 --> 00:06:26,920 to his office every day using the subway. He hates cabs. I am 74 00:06:27,079 --> 00:06:31,120 listened. Ask her stay with me. Morrow is due here any second. 75 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,480 He'll wait for a train when it comes in the station. You let him 76 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:38,279 have it and we get out. You understand, sure? I understand? 77 00:06:38,879 --> 00:06:43,240 What do you understand? I should listen to you? That's fine, that's 78 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,040 fine. I think maybe I better call off the asker. There's Whitey just 79 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,360 going through the turnstile. Why do hes do here? Ready? Second? 80 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:54,120 When he comes, I wait for the trains coming in here? Doesn't see 81 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,319 us walking back up with me? Come on, what walking back up with 82 00:06:58,439 --> 00:07:05,160 me? Come on? Oh? The bond paper doesn't go ahead? Ask 83 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:09,360 him now, but A can give it to him right in my back. 84 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,720 Oh now, I said, now, didn't I want? I should kill 85 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:21,079 him after? Okay, okay, now you those up to bister force. 86 00:07:23,439 --> 00:07:35,040 I think we ought to be him. Why do you Morrow's in pretty bad 87 00:07:35,079 --> 00:07:39,839 shape, mister Benson. There were three bullets in him, but he's lived 88 00:07:39,879 --> 00:07:43,439 up until now. Although I don't know how pretty tough character a doctor, 89 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,920 he certainly is. Only in a little while we'll be saying he certainly was. 90 00:07:47,079 --> 00:07:49,959 He doesn't have a chance. Does he know that I've told him, 91 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:54,199 the police have told him. He's pretty hard to convince. It's about the 92 00:07:54,279 --> 00:07:56,839 last thing a man wants to admit, isn't it. I suppose. So 93 00:07:57,639 --> 00:08:01,920 anyhow, you can go in your working on this case vance only if it 94 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:05,920 ties up with the murder of a man named John Williams. Doctor Williams was 95 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:11,279 killed under completely impossible circumstances. Williams and White Morrow inside were two thirds of 96 00:08:11,279 --> 00:08:15,000 a crime syndicated. It wouldn't be strange if the other third, Sam Foster, 97 00:08:15,079 --> 00:08:18,279 killed Williams and almost got Morrow in the subway. Anyhow, that's what 98 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,879 I want to find out. Call me if I can help. I will 99 00:08:20,959 --> 00:08:33,360 doctor, Hello Morrow, whoever you are going with here? I'm final vanced, 100 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:39,039 Whitey, remember me? I think you were favored once? Do me 101 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:43,279 another one. I'll get lost. Who shot you, Whitey? So it's 102 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:48,279 like get out of here? You watch the papers. The first guy to 103 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,919 gets bobs a guy to try to get me. The doctors say, you 104 00:08:50,919 --> 00:08:56,480 aren't ever going to get out of here? What do they know? Oh? 105 00:08:56,519 --> 00:09:00,840 Got shot them? Man? Oh me so should no, I'm going 106 00:09:00,879 --> 00:09:05,159 to get better than them. Oh, you and John Williams were in partnership 107 00:09:05,159 --> 00:09:09,120 with Sam Foster. Whity you broke up. Foster wants to run the whole 108 00:09:09,159 --> 00:09:13,080 racket. So he killed Williams and he tried to kill you. Wasn't a 109 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:20,960 simply nest unless you killed Williams. Me, Johnny and me were friends. 110 00:09:22,279 --> 00:09:24,240 Besides, I can figure out a way to kill him on the flock him 111 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:35,480 one outside his house and no footprints, Sam's said, Whitey, Whitey, 112 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:43,039 Doctor Manders, Doctor Manders, yes, coming, Why does it take a 113 00:09:43,039 --> 00:09:46,840 look at the patient? Doctor? I think he's dead. Only I didn't 114 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:52,279 take time to make sure. Yes, he's dead all right, although how 115 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:56,720 he lived this long after being shot is a mystery. You think that's a 116 00:09:56,759 --> 00:09:58,679 mystery, doctor, How about the one I'm going to work on now? 117 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,559 How a man could walk through thirty feet of mud without leaving a footprint. 118 00:10:13,799 --> 00:10:22,960 Damn, damn your prizeless? Did you ever hear the what about? I 119 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:28,080 said, it's the Oscar? Mister? Could I commit it? Come back 120 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:35,639 next year? Could later next year? Okay, I'll come back next year, 121 00:10:35,519 --> 00:10:41,279 Oskar Sammy's prize? Am I getting heavy on your knee? Sam? 122 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:48,080 Sure? But it's worth it. Come closer to you. How could I 123 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:54,559 do that? Sam? Your prize? Oh? Why not? I'm with 124 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,480 the biggest man in town. That makes me the biggest gap in time done. 125 00:10:58,519 --> 00:11:01,759 It depends on you. Look at it. You're glad. Johnny Williams 126 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,879 is out of the way, almost as glad as you are. Yeah, 127 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:11,159 he didn't give you a rough deal, but you had nothing against Whitey Marrow. 128 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,159 No, I kind of liked him. He had a lot of funny 129 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:18,440 jokes. Honestly, tell me when I nearly died laughing that he was prised. 130 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,399 You're right about Johnny Williams died, Sigger, you read about it. 131 00:11:22,399 --> 00:11:26,240 Oh, sure, I read about it. I can't figure it out, 132 00:11:26,279 --> 00:11:30,360 but I read about it. You aren't the only one can't figure it, 133 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,720 Junny, Johnny Williams said, the only one I read about either, Sam. 134 00:11:33,759 --> 00:11:37,200 I read about a fella Nam follow Vance. They say is working on 135 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,559 the case. Good. I like to see a fella have a job. 136 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,480 Oh, you're smarter than that sham. You know. Vance has got plenty 137 00:11:43,519 --> 00:11:46,120 on the ball. Sure, but he's got nothing on me. Good enough 138 00:11:46,159 --> 00:11:50,879 for now. But you know how your stud Jaska talks. He thinks a 139 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,080 slow He's always one sentence behind what you asked him. Sure, what about 140 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:58,879 it? Well? Vance, I here's just the opposite. He's thinking one 141 00:11:58,919 --> 00:12:03,399 move ahead of you all. But I'm the gods practless. I wouldn't think 142 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,679 of trying to buy him off. Baby, he's kind of scare us too. 143 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:13,279 I wasn't thinking of trying to scare amore. He isn't deathless, is 144 00:12:13,279 --> 00:12:26,399 he? I know vold everything, Markham. I haven't even begun my investigations 145 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,639 yet. I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Where are 146 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,799 you? As soon as I hang up this phone, I'm going out to 147 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,360 Johnny Williams's house, the House of mystery. What's the point? There's nothing 148 00:12:35,399 --> 00:12:37,799 there, just a house. On the day of the murder was surrounded by 149 00:12:37,799 --> 00:12:39,399 a sea of mudd. It's the same way right now. Then this rain 150 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,799 will see to that. But I want to question William's housekeeper. I understand, 151 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,759 I hope you understand that Sam Foster is the new underworld king of this 152 00:12:46,879 --> 00:12:48,759 child, now that Williams Tomorrow did. Yes, I realized that, and 153 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,879 I hope to prove to be a little sunshine to mister Foster. You're going 154 00:12:52,879 --> 00:12:54,679 to be a little sunshine to Foster. How do you mean you said he 155 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,039 was the king, didn't you? Well, weather reports to the contrary. 156 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:18,159 I'm going to try to see that he doesn't rain anymore. Hello in there, 157 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:24,399 anybody home? I could have sworn Wood Creek? Hello, Well, 158 00:13:24,919 --> 00:13:28,039 I said, hello, My name is Filo Vance. You are Johnny Williams 159 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,679 housekeeper. Yes, rather chilly out here and more than a little wet. 160 00:13:33,039 --> 00:13:39,720 May I come in if you like? Thank you, ah, keeping character. 161 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:41,919 I'm surprised you don't have an Angora cat on your shoulder. I hate 162 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:46,519 captain. May I ask your name? Missus Stewart what do you want here, 163 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,720 vance, missus Stewart, I'd like you to understand something well. Police 164 00:13:50,759 --> 00:13:54,519 are convinced that mister Williams was killed by somebody who came into this house and 165 00:13:54,639 --> 00:13:58,480 left it without leaving any footprints, even though this house is surrounded by mud, 166 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,120 and you're not convinced. Right before I knocked at the door, I 167 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:05,080 tried to think of how I could possibly get from the road to the porch 168 00:14:05,279 --> 00:14:09,200 distance of about thirty feet without leaving any prints. And my footprints are in 169 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,840 the mud. It can't be done. Inasmuch as it can't be done, 170 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:18,279 my theory is that mister Williams was killed by somebody in this house. I 171 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,360 was in the house where the shots were fired. That's what I meant that 172 00:14:20,519 --> 00:14:24,360 I shot him. Why not you had an opportunity, if you had a 173 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:31,080 motive, and you might very possibly have had a duck down. Did you 174 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:35,440 get hit? No? No, thank you for the morning. Never mind 175 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,240 that. Let's find whoever it is the fired at us. You stay here? 176 00:14:37,279 --> 00:14:39,559 Where are you going out through the door? Shots came from the front 177 00:14:39,559 --> 00:14:41,799 window. The killer may be outside. I'm going outside to see there are 178 00:14:41,799 --> 00:14:46,919 floodlights that light up the entire yard. Wait a minute there. I mean, 179 00:14:46,919 --> 00:14:48,360 if you're going out, I'm going with you very well, but staying 180 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:56,279 back on me. I don't see anybody? What else? Don't you see? 181 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,600 What else? Don't you see? I don't understand what you mean. 182 00:15:00,039 --> 00:15:01,200 He set the footprints? Do you see in the ground? Vance? How 183 00:15:01,279 --> 00:15:09,360 many? Yes? There's only one set leading to the house. Were with 184 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:13,000 me when someone broke the glass in the window and fired. Must have seen 185 00:15:13,039 --> 00:15:15,720 a figure on the porch. You couldn't have worn me. Yes, that's 186 00:15:15,799 --> 00:15:20,200 the situation you said was impossible, the same situation that occurred when mister Williams 187 00:15:20,279 --> 00:15:41,600 died. You still think it's impossible, Vance, This is District Attorney Markham. 188 00:15:41,679 --> 00:15:46,679 The Muddy Murder case began with the shooting of Johnny Williams racketeer. Although 189 00:15:46,679 --> 00:15:50,320 his house was completely surrounded by mud, and although Williams was killed at close 190 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:54,440 range, we found no footprints in the mud. Nobody but Williams housekeeper was 191 00:15:54,440 --> 00:16:00,360 in his home. We suspect a racketeer named Sam Foster Special. He says, 192 00:16:00,399 --> 00:16:07,879 we think he killed another former ally. But Vance is in my office. 193 00:16:10,759 --> 00:16:12,480 That's the story, Markham. I was in the house, so a 194 00:16:12,559 --> 00:16:15,159 figure on the porch was there when the shots were fired. So I know 195 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:19,120 somebody cost thirty feet of mud without leaving any footprints. That settles it, 196 00:16:19,159 --> 00:16:22,000 and doesn't it It can be done. Would it surprised you if I told 197 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,720 you that? Now, I'd think I know how it was done. Nothing 198 00:16:25,759 --> 00:16:29,039 you tell me surprises me anymore. Vance you are not thinking of anything as 199 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:33,320 fantastic as a helicopter or some sort of flying opparatus? Are Markham? No? 200 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:34,840 No, I didn't think it. Were Having an idea and doing something 201 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:38,639 about it are two different things, though, This same buster Markham, the 202 00:16:38,639 --> 00:16:41,519 man who takes over the town's rackets. What about him? It's reasonable to 203 00:16:41,519 --> 00:16:45,600 believe that he killed Williams and Whitey Morrow too in order to get soul control. 204 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,159 Is he a college man? I'm sure I don't know. I'm sure 205 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,639 you could find out. Yes, I suppose. So if you think he 206 00:16:53,679 --> 00:16:57,559 found a mathematical formula for reducing the thirty feet of mud to one foot and 207 00:16:57,919 --> 00:17:02,879 stepped across it, no, that isn't it at all. Find out for 208 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,839 me if he went to college and what college it was he want to then 209 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:19,039 maybe I'll find out something for you. You know what I don't understand Junie, 210 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:23,400 girl, I don't understand why you don't like me? What are you 211 00:17:23,519 --> 00:17:29,960 talking about? Asking? Don't understand that that's all I'm big. I'm an 212 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:36,599 important guy. I'm mister Force's right hand all right, So I ain't pretty. 213 00:17:36,799 --> 00:17:40,519 Look you better outlet first to hear you. What am I talking about? 214 00:17:40,519 --> 00:17:44,799 I'm talking about you win me, JUNI one half of that is very 215 00:17:44,839 --> 00:17:49,480 interesting conversation, So forced the finds out. So what so you'll find out 216 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:57,319 which half for you wouldn't be? Is it the rest? Asking? You 217 00:17:57,319 --> 00:18:00,680 didn't hear me say? Come? I said, cut it out of okay? 218 00:18:00,799 --> 00:18:06,599 So I come to you? No, I thought that feel nice and 219 00:18:06,799 --> 00:18:12,960 cozy being here by your say I'm the safe for yours. Trying to go 220 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:17,119 on the mix for on me what goes on? Ask her what do you 221 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:21,119 mean beauty and the beast? What does that mean? Beauty and the juny 222 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,160 look good to me? I tried to tell her. Try to show me. 223 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,839 I mean, I told you what would happen when I telld Sam what 224 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,519 did happen? Baby? You ain't so you ain't got to take this big 225 00:18:30,559 --> 00:18:33,720 lug apart. Asker is a very important member of my organization. Julie Oh, 226 00:18:33,799 --> 00:18:37,440 and I'm not out of my business organization and business you know, honey 227 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:53,880 always comes before anything else. Hello, Van, speaking this Van unquestionably. 228 00:18:55,039 --> 00:18:59,480 Well, Van, you don't know me. Sometime you may realize how bad 229 00:18:59,519 --> 00:19:02,440 that is. Well, in that event, let's make that some time right 230 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:06,519 now, No can do vance. Look, I read that you're working on 231 00:19:06,519 --> 00:19:10,400 the murder of Johnny Williams. Like to know who killed him and Whitey Morrow, 232 00:19:10,559 --> 00:19:12,920 Sam Foster. That's right? What did Foster ever do to you? 233 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:18,759 You mean? Why am I tipping you off? Yes? Because I'm playing 234 00:19:18,839 --> 00:19:22,720 second fiddle to a gun crazy coon, That's why. But enough reason you 235 00:19:22,759 --> 00:19:26,359 can prove that Foster killed Williams and Morrow. He killed Williams and he had 236 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,640 that gun crazy coon. I was telling me about kill Morrow. I was 237 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,880 Williams killed with all that mud surrounding his house search me. That would hardly 238 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,680 clarify the situation where you mean you don't know? That's right, I don't 239 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,759 know everything. What you've told me, miss is what the police and I 240 00:19:41,839 --> 00:19:45,160 already suspect. Can you prove what you're saying? What's the mattering? I've 241 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,119 worked good enough? It is for me, but a jury is unreasonable. 242 00:19:48,279 --> 00:19:52,880 It likes to have proved. Yes, but perhaps I can get that proof. 243 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:56,440 The district attorney found out for me that Foster went to state college. 244 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:02,079 Now you tell me where Sam Foster and his friend to be found apartments. 245 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:11,519 They gotta sweep. You go their advance and see that they get a headache. 246 00:20:15,559 --> 00:20:19,519 What oscar? One thing you've got to stop askar A. You're listening 247 00:20:19,519 --> 00:20:22,200 to me. Yeah, but the post, that's what I mean. You've 248 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:26,839 got to stop answering questions a minute after I asked them. I gotta stop 249 00:20:26,319 --> 00:20:30,599 the answer the quick. Oh yeah, I get it. But but I 250 00:20:30,759 --> 00:20:37,559 explained that to your hundred times. It takes a long time for me to 251 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,799 get things in my head by the time I do. You your your ask 252 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,720 can be something else. Oh I wish is you weren't so handy with an 253 00:20:44,759 --> 00:20:48,119 automatic. By the way, keep away from June. That happens to be. 254 00:20:48,079 --> 00:20:52,039 Happens to be what somebody at the door asking. Oh wait, that 255 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:57,720 just like people for once, I consent rate. Now I answer the question 256 00:20:57,799 --> 00:21:03,000 you're asking, and you'll switch to something. Do you want me to get 257 00:21:03,039 --> 00:21:04,119 the door? Get them next room. I'll take care of him. All 258 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:11,519 right, I'm coming. Well, I'm final Vans, you're a Sam Foster. 259 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,160 Yes, Now that we have the introductions out of the way, so 260 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:23,279 long, Fans. Congratulations strong man, he pushed open the door. What 261 00:21:23,319 --> 00:21:26,160 are you going to do for an encore? Twist an iron bar around your 262 00:21:26,279 --> 00:21:29,720 arm? Foster. There are a lot of things in the world I hate, 263 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,119 and you represent most of them. Murders, smugglness, disregard of other 264 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:37,559 people, Oscar, Oscar calling for help already, Foster, not thing like 265 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,000 being prepared. Only this help of mine takes a little time to understand things. 266 00:21:41,079 --> 00:21:48,079 Oscar, did you call me mister y? Does look a little like 267 00:21:48,079 --> 00:21:51,920 an apron? Wait until he realizes what you just said. Fans, you 268 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,960 will be the one who needs help. I look like what you look like. 269 00:21:56,039 --> 00:21:57,680 Vans. Why don't you be a nice guy and get out of here. 270 00:21:59,079 --> 00:22:02,519 Legs are nice things to walk around on. You shouldn't want yours broken. 271 00:22:02,599 --> 00:22:06,079 I don't see anybody here that's capable of giving me even a little exercise. 272 00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:10,319 Oscar. Got to work on him. What is it I look like? 273 00:22:10,799 --> 00:22:12,400 Got to work on this guy? Make him sorry? He talks so 274 00:22:12,559 --> 00:22:18,079 much? Now, Oh, go to wake on him. Why didn't you 275 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:30,519 say we was having a pody this is the thing the guys says, what 276 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:37,359 am I supposed to do? Roll over and place. Took him a little 277 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:44,119 while to realize he was not cold a Boston. Apparently you handled yourself pretty 278 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,440 good, dance, You mean pretty well, don't you, Foster? They 279 00:22:47,519 --> 00:22:51,359 never taught you to say pretty good at State University, didn't they? What 280 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,920 about me in State? Nothing much. I'm just waiting for one little bit 281 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:59,319 of information, and the four years you've spent at State will seem nothing to 282 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:11,640 the years that State has reserved for you. Yes, that's fine, thank 283 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,960 you, thank you very much. Bye. Finally you got what you wanted. 284 00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:18,839 Da Yes, Joe and I did. That was State college, And 285 00:23:18,839 --> 00:23:22,519 as usual, Vance was right. I don't see yet how this solves the 286 00:23:22,559 --> 00:23:25,359 Johnny William's murder mystery, but I'm sure Vance does you know. I think 287 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,880 Vance knows everything. Yes, I tried to tell that to say m Foster 288 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,119 him. That's one reason I think he took a shout at Vance out at 289 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:34,880 the William's house when Vance was talking to the housekeeper. Undoubtedly. As for 290 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,759 you, a young lady, I think now the Advance has sent you to 291 00:23:37,799 --> 00:23:40,880 me. I better see to with that. You're taking care of you, 292 00:23:42,319 --> 00:23:48,319 I mean placed in protective custody. Oh yeah, after I'm sure you're all 293 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:49,160 right, I'll meet Vance, and the two of us will go to see 294 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,640 Foster and Oscar. Me don't leave without arresting them. I don't feel safe 295 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,559 anymore, would either one of them around. When first he took off his 296 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,400 side, I had an idea, Let that big lug shoot me if it 297 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,160 would make him happy. That's why I went to Vance in the first. 298 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,759 Please, I understand everything will be all right for you June. After Vance 299 00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:10,359 and I visit your former friends, it'll be all right for you and annoying 300 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:22,599 to a couple of men who are all wrong. It isn't that Oscar and 301 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,519 I aren't very honored by this visit. You understand, you're very kind. 302 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,640 It isn't often that a district attorney and a distinguished private investigator come to call 303 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,200 on us, Right, Oscar, never mind that nonsense, Foster. I 304 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,640 came up here to tell you that you and Oscar are going downtown with Markholm 305 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,880 and me. What's right, mister Pool, shout out, Oscar, I 306 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:45,039 will take you that slower Advance. What makes you think you can drag us 307 00:24:45,079 --> 00:24:48,319 downtown on much charge? Murder, of course, murder of John Williams, 308 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,480 Mighty Morrow. Oh, I killed them both, Ada. According to our 309 00:24:52,519 --> 00:24:56,240 information, you killed Williams and at Oscar shoot Morrow. I'm pretty sure the 310 00:24:56,319 --> 00:25:00,319 information is right. Hold everything I've been Do you think I killed Williams when 311 00:25:00,319 --> 00:25:03,440 you can't even think of how the guy was killed? You know somebody was 312 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,519 in his house, but there were no footprints leading to and from that house. 313 00:25:07,599 --> 00:25:11,079 That's perfectly right, Foster. There weren't any because William's killer didn't walk 314 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,519 through the mud. He flew through it, put on wings and flew over 315 00:25:15,559 --> 00:25:19,079 it. You're pretty close, But what's more important? So am I Remember 316 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:23,359 I asked you about State when I was here last, So mister Markham called 317 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:29,359 State found out some very valuable information in regard to your athletic activities in school. 318 00:25:30,519 --> 00:25:45,079 Guys, no too much. Let's get the oscarre with me. Two 319 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,119 down advance. I'm sorry I had to shoot that Oscar, but it was 320 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,519 either him or me, and I'm selfish that way. I don't blame you 321 00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:55,920 one bit, Markham. He's still alive and still able to stand trial. 322 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,440 I think you won't have to worry about getting a conviction. I don't believe 323 00:25:59,519 --> 00:26:02,960 what you are here, and the girl's testimony not to mention the possibility that 324 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,880 they eat death bullets, and Williams and Morrow will match the guns belonging to 325 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:10,039 these individuals. I'm pretty sure will be all right. Pretty cute idea Foster 326 00:26:10,079 --> 00:26:12,720 had for the Williams murder, wasn't it, no footprints saying? Very cute? 327 00:26:12,799 --> 00:26:15,400 In fact, it was one of the most interesting gimmicks I've ever encountered. 328 00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:18,480 Let's talk about it as soon as we take these two characters down to 329 00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:40,319 headquarters. Wait a minute, Vance, I'll give you a light. There 330 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:45,519 you are, thanks, Markham. Now tell me what gave you the idea 331 00:26:45,559 --> 00:26:48,359 that Sam Foster was an athlete. It was one way a man could get 332 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,839 over thirty feet of mud, Markholm, using a pole such as waters using 333 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,160 athletic meets uh huh, or run on the road. Insert the pole and 334 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,799 the mud for yourself. Up and out. You could land on Williams sports 335 00:26:57,839 --> 00:27:00,720 without leaving any tracks. As soon as State told us that Foster had been 336 00:27:00,759 --> 00:27:03,519 a pole vaulterer, I knew what your theory was, and he knew that 337 00:27:03,519 --> 00:27:06,599 he was finished. As soon as we brought up the fact that we did 338 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,279 know, Yes, Marcolm, I'm very happy about the whole thing. It 339 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,880 really had me confused with quite a while. He undoubtedly followed me to the 340 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,759 William's place and tried to kill me when I was there questioning the housekeeper. 341 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,079 Uh huh oh, I thought for a minute it was she he was after. 342 00:27:19,279 --> 00:27:22,559 It doesn't matter now as far as any killings or would be killings are 343 00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:26,640 concerned. Foster and Oscar are finished, and you know, markolm So is 344 00:27:26,640 --> 00:28:49,720 the Muddy Murder Case welcome back as final episodes go. I actually thought this 345 00:28:49,839 --> 00:28:55,279 was pretty good. Fans got it to smack someone, and so you know 346 00:28:55,640 --> 00:29:00,119 that that's like a key plot element at this point. The one thing that 347 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:06,519 I'm really dube is about it is the idea that you could jump over thirty 348 00:29:06,519 --> 00:29:12,279 feet of mud. Maybe I think I'm dubious about the idea more from the 349 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:18,440 standpoint of a college athlete in his prime might be able to do this. 350 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,920 But from everything we heard in this episode, it had been quite a while 351 00:29:23,079 --> 00:29:27,839 since the murderer had been in college, and I think that guys in their 352 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:37,240 thirties and forties who used to be college athletes generally cannot do the same things 353 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:42,160 that they could in their twenties, and sometimes they learned that the hard way. 354 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:48,640 Plus, it seems that doing this jump would leave evidence behind, particularly 355 00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:56,799 with the mud surrounding the murder house. Also, I think that I recognized 356 00:29:56,839 --> 00:30:03,200 the voice of stats Conchworth aka Casey from Casey Crime Photographer as the voice of 357 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:10,200 the murderer, so you can kind of hear anyway. How so many of 358 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:15,680 these actors who worked in New York radio shows, just like their Hollywood counterparts, 359 00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:19,519 would go and work on other New York radio programs, although we have 360 00:30:19,799 --> 00:30:25,559 less examples of this, just because we have fewer of the New York radio 361 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:30,559 programs and syndication, and that actually brings us to the end of Fillow Vans. 362 00:30:30,759 --> 00:30:37,200 So my overall thoughts, honestly, if I had to choose one Filo 363 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,160 Vance series that I wanted more of, it would be the Jose fer Our 364 00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:52,000 summer replacement series with Francis Robinson as his co star and sort of rival detectives. 365 00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:55,720 I'd really love to hear more of that series, a lot more than 366 00:30:55,839 --> 00:31:00,960 I would actually want to hear more of the syndicated show. Nevertheless, I 367 00:31:02,039 --> 00:31:10,720 have mostly enjoyed this series with Jackson Back and George Petrie for the longest time, 368 00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:15,799 this particular iteration of file events was on my I will not do the 369 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:22,640 series list, and that's because of many of the problems we've discussed with it, 370 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,519 and I think it's important to keep in mind. When I started The 371 00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:30,000 Great Detectives of Old Time Radio, I was in my late twenties, and 372 00:31:30,079 --> 00:31:37,279 I think that I was slightly more uptight, and you had a running theme 373 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:45,480 and a lot of pop culture and pop culture criticism where you had millennials. 374 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,599 I think this was mostly a millennial thing say that they enjoyed something, but 375 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:56,559 they only enjoyed it ironically. And this was set of things that I enjoyed 376 00:31:56,799 --> 00:32:01,799 an ironically and that I thought this has artistic and moral merit to it. 377 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:07,039 And there were people who wrote about old time radio like that as well. 378 00:32:07,319 --> 00:32:13,799 And in doing The Great Detectives, I wanted to highlight shows that were, 379 00:32:13,839 --> 00:32:16,759 in my opinion, good. They could be funny, or they could be 380 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:22,640 dramatic, they could be in different styles, and that mindset. When I 381 00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:28,319 listened to follow Vans, it really rubbed me the wrong way because the stories 382 00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:36,759 were ridiculous in terms of the mysteries, and Vance's behavior was occasionally a bit 383 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,119 out there, but I, unlike other series, there seemed to be no 384 00:32:40,279 --> 00:32:45,119 sort of self awareness of this, and so I wrote this off as not 385 00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:52,960 a very good series. And I didn't revisit that decision for probably about a 386 00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:57,200 decade, when I realized that we were running out of programs to do, 387 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:02,000 and I gave follow Vance another less and I think that I could see some 388 00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:07,440 of the merit in the series, and we also got some stories where the 389 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:12,480 mysteries were maybe a little bit better than some of the really weak ones. 390 00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:16,799 I think I'd lightened up a little bit and also came to respect just the 391 00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:22,680 breadth of old time radio that's out there. And it's not all good, 392 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:30,200 but there's a wide variation in quality. This series is unique because despite the 393 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:37,039 writing being really dodgy at times, the actors really commit to the material. 394 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:43,519 And you've got some very talented corners in these series. You've got Jackson Beck 395 00:33:43,799 --> 00:33:49,079 who has such a great voice, and I think he manages to make Filo 396 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,599 Van's work by just taking the script and saying, Okay, I'm gonna go 397 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:58,039 with this. You could say the same thing for George Petrie. As much 398 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,920 as I have looked fun at Da Markham over the course of the last two 399 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,920 years, Patrick does everything that an actor really could do with these scraps. 400 00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:14,039 You have to say the same for the guests actors as well. But I 401 00:34:14,119 --> 00:34:20,239 appreciate the acting and what they're able to bring out of these scripts, even 402 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,440 if so many of the stories and their solutions are a bit dodgy. And 403 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:30,559 as I'm in my forties, as I record this episode, I've gotten to 404 00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:37,079 the point where if someone listens to this and assumes that old time radio detective 405 00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:44,679 programs are like Filo vance and can only be enjoyed for acting, or only 406 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:50,239 enjoyed ironically or in a so bad it's good way, that's not really my 407 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:55,239 problem. There's such a great breadth of old time radio detective program and some 408 00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:00,719 really fantastic ones that we've brought you and woken Dan you to bring you as 409 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:07,280 we continue along with the great detectives of old time radio. 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But join us back here tomorrow for the conclusion of 425 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:37,559 the Salt City matter, where Ed Julian and another man I didn't recognize we're 426 00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:42,840 sitting in chairs opposite each other, neither of the move to flick an eyelash. 427 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,519 We just set there, propped up, staring at each other. I 428 00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:51,280 got closer and decided one could get surprised in Salt City. They weren't dead. 429 00:36:52,119 --> 00:36:58,480 Dead men don't perspire, dead men don't have pulses, dead men don't 430 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:07,320 breathe. They were just kind of in between. If you will ever walk 431 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,559 into a house in Salt City and find two men just sitting in a room, 432 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:15,519 quietly staring at each other, and they aren't dead, turn around and 433 00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:21,920 walk out. Don't fall down on your hands and knees and crawl around the 434 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,559 floor. I didn't. Don't start to laugh to yourself about nothing at all. 435 00:37:28,199 --> 00:37:32,920 Don't get weepy and perspire, and don't prop yourself up against the wall 436 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:39,840 and wait for something to happen. And I could see somebody standing beside me, 437 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:44,599 looking down, and I couldn't move my arms and my legs, and 438 00:37:44,679 --> 00:37:50,199 that's pretty funny. Somebody nice about it. Then it came to mean I 439 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:54,039 was doing the laughing. The noise was coming out of me. Somebody leaned 440 00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:59,000 down and took my gun out of my shoulder holster. He was wearing gloves 441 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:06,039 and dark glasses on all at once. He had a face easy. I'll 442 00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:10,280 just take this. I hope you'll be with us. Then in the meantime, 443 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:15,840 do send your comments to Box thirteen at Great Detectives dot net, Follow 444 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:22,280 us on Twitter at Radio Detectives, and check us out on Instagram, Instagram, 445 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:27,639 dot com slash Great Detectives From Boise, Idaho. This is your host, 446 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,480 Adam Graham, signing off.