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Station. Good afternoon, everybody, Welcome

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to I on the Ball here on
Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera.

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He's Jacome's loss here. It's Tuesday
afternoon, the start of the week.

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Man, I don't know if I
want to be here start of the

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week. I don't. It doesn't
it already long? I feel like Thursday.

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I know, That's how I feel. I toe long day. I've

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had two days in a row.
I've had to get up at five thirty

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in the morning because your other thing
one to go. You had to get

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up for the guy get you know, five thirty in the morning. It's

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not easy. No, I did
that. I did that Saturday. I

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tell you I wouldn't golfee Saturday.
I cursed when I got up. I

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wish I had not agreed to this, that I got there to the event

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I got Saturday. I'm thinking,
why do I like you get to my

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friend? Who am by the mean? I shouldn't be here, I should

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still be asleep. Yeah. I
enjoyed the day, but after not playing

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for three years, it was like, what the hell am I doing here?

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Because if you would have seen my
shots, you would have said the

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same thing, what do you do? And wasted my time chasing snakes exactly?

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Now? You know, well I
got I started doing that. You

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know. I was a paper boy
for the morning paper back in the day.

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Yeah, man, I had to
be I had to be at at

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the place where I was delivering papers. I had to be there at five

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o'clock in the morning. I did
that for like almost two years because that

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my parents had to be delivered by
six and would take me an hour to

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roll them too. Yeah, to
roll them and deliver them. I delivered

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an apartment complex, two buildings,
an apartment complex, but it was a

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lot and uh those was the dead
time man getting up at quarter to five.

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Those near my house. I'd get
up at quarter to five. I

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hated the days that I did papers
when it was still dark when I got

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up to this day, I hate
getting up when it's still dark shop.

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Did you I think that's the easiest
part this, in my opinion, Did

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you have to collect to Yes,
so that would be my tough part,

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and that was not easy. You
want to pay, yeah, well not

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only that they don't. You had
some people, because you're supposed to collect

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by the month, right, you
pay at the beginning of the month.

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Some people said, I'm not going
to pay till the end of the month

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when I've already gotten my newspapers.
There were other people would say, and

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we're talking, oh, we're talking
five dollars a month, right, And

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there there were some people would say, I want to pay by the week,

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and so I'd have to go once
a week to collect the quarterbuck in

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a quarter. You know, I
don't even know how they do it anymore

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because you only see cars filling.
They don't do it very many. Yeah,

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but I'll tell you what though,
I will say that that was something

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that at a very young age,
I learned a lot about responsibility and having

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to show up every day, having
to show up on Christmas Day, having

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to show up on Thanksgiving Day,
having to show up if the weather was

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awful. You know, no matter
what um it was, you know,

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it was hard and what the two
summers I did it though, my golf

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game got really good because of what
I would do is I deliver papers and

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then my dad, who would leave
for work at six thirty in the morning,

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would give me and my friends a
ride down to Randolph and would play

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golf all day in the summer to
Okay, So but anyways, I don't

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even know how we got to that
morning. Um yeah, so if I

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you know, I hate it and
I've got I've got one more because I've

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got one more on Friday, because
my wife has to go on a business

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trip to uh to Switzerland. I
took to the airport. We gotta leave

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at five thirty in the morning.
She really tooks like three out of five

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days she goes a lot to the
road on to Switzerland. That's her company's

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headquarters. So that's why she goes. Chucks. Sorry, sorry to hear

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that. I've got a good at
Switzerland whole. Hey, that means there's

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a pot roast coming up next week
sometimes, Yeah, probably another golf roast

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at my house. Maybe a big
giant tea bone. Uh you know,

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stuff that my wife did not that
fondo. So yeah, m hmm,

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Okay, A lot of things going
on. I think I can't tell you.

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The NBA playoffs obviously, kind of
interest with Chris, and you're talking

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about the playoffs tonight. You you
and you and he were just you know,

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going It was funny watching you guys
talk. You know, Chris,

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he kept asking your opinion. You
kept giving it to him, and then

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he'd ask it again. Right,
I said enough, already enough, called

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him a name, and that was
funny. I was going to kick out

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of that, out of so I
asked me, if we're gonna listen to

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me, I'm you know, I'm
watching the playoffs. I'm paying attention to

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the playofford. I'm not betting on
the playoffs. Smart, smart, Yeah,

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you know, I'm having fun watching
golf. Put a little bit of

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money on golf. I missed out, like, you know, just a

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five dollars bed. I had Patrick
Cantley, who finished a stroke up from

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miss from making the playoff between a
Speed and Man fitz Patrick, so would

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have had a chance at that.
But you know, just a little something

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to do with my whistle and you
know, keep me interested. Yeah,

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okay, So so in about ten
and fifteen minutes, we're gonna have the

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George Modus again, one of our
favorite guests. People love hearing him because

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he's the card Guy, one of
our great sponsors. Guy and Chris made

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a transaction with him. I think
we talked about it, you know,

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two thousand dollars cards. We'll see
how that went. And then he has

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a show this weekend that's kind of
high. I'm gonna be part of the

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show. I'm gonna have someone to
do my books. Yeah, yeah,

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so yeah, that's one of the
reasons why we're having him on. See

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what's going on in the town.
And then in the second a half,

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we're gonna talk about Sons. Yeah, Phoenix Suns. We're gonna have Jody

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Ailer from Fox Sports nine ten in
Phoenix, sort of a sister state,

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or we're a sister stationed in them
because they're the big boys. But Jody's

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got a morning show up in Phoenix. We always go to Jody for knowledge

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on all things Phoenix, the Sons, the Cardinals. That you can start

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the other draft coming up with the
Cardinals, and there's just a lot of

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speculations to what they're gonna do.
So I think the Cardinals will be another

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another thing to talk about with Jody, and then we'll, uh, you

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know, we'll just get into all
of that, but uh, you know,

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the Sons are you know, they're
they're already you know, they've already

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lost some home court advantage to the
Clippers. Um, you know, this

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is an important game. They can't
they can't lose two at home, right,

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It's it's unbelievably important. Yeah.
You remember the time when Um west

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Fall was the coach and this is
we're not gonna lose, guarantee. They

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were one seats the name, I'm
not guaranteed. They went to oh and

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then they swept the Rustle. I
remember that because I remember watching his you

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know, just the highlights of his
press conference saying, you know, what

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are you gonna do? Since we're
gonna go win game three, right,

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and then we're gonna win game court
and then we're gonna wine. We're not

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gonna lose the exactly what they did. But this is a seven game set.

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But you know, home court advantage
is really important, and the Suns

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have got to get their stuff together
and they you know, they just let

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Russell Wilson, Russell Wiston, Russell, Um Um Westbrook, you know,

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just beat up on them. And
you can't do that. Can't that guy

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can't be the guy that beats you? No, right, No, and

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you had a horrible game. Still
they still won. Clippers are are halfway

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decent. I'm not sure how good
they are. They're playing without Paul to

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Paul Georgie, Yeah, but uh, Kawhi Leonard. It came alive in

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that game, and a lot of
discussion about if Kawhi Leonard keeps being Kawhi

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Leonard plays the entire series the Sun, he's gonna be trouble for the Sun.

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And no one's talked about him for
a while, right to Kawi Leonard

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this morning. So he's been so
injured, hardly injured and kind of mercurical.

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It just kind of hard to talk
to and all that stuff. But

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someone today, uh jj Reddick,
who was on Stephen A. Smith,

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and he talked about how he plays. He plays They said he pays a

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lot like Jordan when he's really on
and in terms of how he moves,

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just kind of fluid, calculating and
stuff and and and Stephen A. Smith

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agreed. I'm thinking I have to
look at it again. I can't really,

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but he hasn't played like that forever, so it's hard to see it

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happen. Well, it's hard to
know what you're gonna get from him,

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right because right again, because as
we said, he's he's never around.

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Well, this is the guy that
they had hoped to get when they got

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him originally, and then obviously to
have Paul there now Westbrook and a couple

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of others that they're gonna be good
if they'll play together. Yeah, we'll

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see. We'll see what Phoenix does. I think I think the Phoenix has

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to rebound for this one. They
have to. They have to. I

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mean they can't. Yeah, I
mean, they absolutely one percent have to.

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The question is you know, can
something like that cause like an immediate

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funk? Right? You know,
can you all of a sudden you lose

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a game like that? Now you're
questioning yourself, you start doing some stuff.

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Is it an immediate funk? And
can you now can you fix that?

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Uh? In a in a very
short period of time? And I

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don't know. I don't know,
can you? So I don't. I'm

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trying. I'm trying to look up
how many games he played this Kawhi Leonard

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played this year. I'm making it
easy to find that anywhere on any of

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the stat any of the stat things
are I'm finding. But you know,

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again, the knock on him is
he doesn't play a lot. He's not

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around much. And uh and you
know, if you're I mean, you

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can be great. But if you're
not playing, what the hell's the use?

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Right M look at you. I
like that. I'm making you into

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a philosopher. You said a lot
of like Rivero, we just got sad.

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They can be very sad. It
could be. I understand, Vera.

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Don't bring me down like that.
I understand river I can understand what

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you're telling you. I feel good
about myself. You don't bring me down

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like oh well you said like Professor
Goozales, I can figure things out one

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in a while, but I can
remember what I'm trying to figure out,

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and I'm talking out what. Okay, So we're gonna hope to get some

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calls. You have to. We
have to, you know, Gabe,

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call us Nico and some other suit. You can't give us a call.

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Uh well, if you want to
call us after or maybe even now to

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you have a card that you're interested
in, what it's worth it you have

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like five minutes, just give us
a quick George is on right. So

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and now if you have your curious
curiosities about your card, let us knows

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what it is. We'll tell George
and you can go over the weekend to

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his big show. He's a big
card show. I guess a lot of

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people have good cards are gonna show
him and display him and sell them at

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this It's a geek fest, That's
what it is. That's that's exactly what

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it is. He has those things. I tease them about it because now

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I'm involved because about my book.
I'm gonna be among the geeks. I'm

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gonna wear my thick glasses, little
paper. But that's what it is.

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Hey, what's surprised on this car? Yeah? You get funny, funny,

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you know what you know. I'm
fascinated by that. And for a

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period of time towards the end of
when I was working at the Star,

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there was a uh, one of
our artists, you know, uh,

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guy named Pete Spino who I'm going
on whatever happened, But he was big

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into the card collecting back then.
And I actually it's funny because I went

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out and bought a bunch of baseball
cards and I kept them and I still

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have them. Yeah, probably stacked
maybe about a three in stack of baseball

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cards and I still have that I
bought at that time and then put him

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in a box and I still have
That's where everybody has them. And that's

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why they don't They either they hold
the well or they don't hold well,

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you know. And I went to
look at you the first time we had

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George, and I went and looked
at you know, just looked at him,

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looked at a few of them up
on the up on the internet,

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and someone worth five bucks, worth
ten bucks. You know. There wasn't

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anything, you know, really fancy, but sure, you know, just

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it was fun. It was fun
to go through that to my stack of

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cards and cards. Did you see
I saw they celebrated him recently. They

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put him to return his number something. I saw that a couple of days.

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Yeah, something with the Dodgers,
and I think they retired his number.

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I didn't know his complete story.
I know he's a great story,

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but I didn't realize he kind of
while he pipped the guy he replaced one

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of his his first start. Did
they said it was the anniversary of the

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opening day or kind of like the
first pitch or whatever. He came in

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because somebody was hurt one of the
things about that. So he came in

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and then he yeah, he great
on opening day, first game, full

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game, full game, back in
the day of the year, and the

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dude to us, you know,
Rawlston or one of the brothers, one

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of the brothers, Nicro, but
one of those guys. And I'm thinking,

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that's how you got a starting kids
like Mark the Bird. I don't

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remember that. I remember him starting
because I remember i'd seen him in spring

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training that year and nondescript. Yes, another dude, I mean, you

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know from Mexico. He looked like
me. I didn't want to say that

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I got. I got actually mistaken
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story, you Francisco Romero, And
yeah, I actually had. I was

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at an Arizona baseball game and I
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on three little kids that thought I
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Yeah, we had the same hair, Fernando. Yeah, we had

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the same hair. We had the
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the same and the same body.
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we're kind of behind, walking behind
me, and they thought I was Fernando

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lenzu Uh. Three people were walked
into a bar. Fernando, George Lopez

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and Jakenzos walked in the what or
some tequila, exactly. It's kind of

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fun. I wanted to have some
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of them came up to me,
I'd already made up my mind. If

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someone came up one of them came
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was say him. I was going
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for a little bit and then and
then, you know, then let him

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know that they none of them did
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It's him. I know it's him. It's him. You're probably he's

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probably about how tall was he he? I think he was like six foot

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six four. Looked at that spring
training game. I got a baseball and

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I got his autograph, so I
so you would. Yeah, yeah,

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I stood with him. He wasn't
a lot bigger than me. I'm not

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five nine, yeah, so five
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you know, six foot maybe,
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lot of the same thing. Pretty
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him now because he slimmed down a
little and he's kind of no now I

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look like old Fernando, and he's
allow, and he dresses a whole lot

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better than I. Do you know, but he doesn't even were one of

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my all time favorites, man,
just one of my always he will took

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it, took it by storm,
took it my storm. Okay, oh

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yeah, we'll look. Well,
you can find out that story. I

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just found it kind of strange.
I didn't really realize that he kind of

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stepped in and became this guy.
Yeah, I'll have to look that up

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because I don't I remember him starting
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circumstances. Some guy got hurt or
sick or something. Yeah, all right,

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okay, cool, So we're gonna
George hearing about four minutes, three

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minutes, yep, and let's go. Okay, well, let's go and

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take our break. We'll come back. We'll get we'll get George Midas on

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and we'll talk some some collectibles and
and just listen up and then uh,

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you know, we'll uh we'll just
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Rivera and Jay Gonzalez on Fox Sports
fourteen fifty. We welcome back to our

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on the Ball here on Fox Sports
fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera, He's

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Jaken Zass. Now on the phone. We have George Modas from Showtime Cards.

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George, how are you. I'm
doing well. Thanks for having me

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on guys. Yeah, well,
you're one of the favorite guests because everyone

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has questions about cards and how much
they're worth. You know. It's funny,

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Jet I have a car that you
know, when you buy your car

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and people talk, well you'll get
it good when when you resell it,

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I'm I'm gonna sell this carment a
driving But cards they buy him for the

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purpose of reselling, and I guess
my boy here Chris Chris Gordman sold sold

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his beloved card to George A good
one too. Yeah. I had a

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great Hey, George, what's going
on in much great? My experience was

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great there, so just to bullet
point it so it'll take too long on

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it. George set the card off
to get grated. So George was great,

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My experience is great. Let me
go behind the desk here showing me

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all the eBay quotes, the prices, telling me the car. He was

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showing me like, he's not selling
me a bag of goods unless he's rigged

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eBay. You never know, you
never know. He could have an eBay

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template. Yeah, he could be
like, hey, Chris, look for

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this. This is what this card's
going. But here's the thing. So

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George set it off. We have
a bat and we're gonna do a review

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at some point, right George,
when the card comes back, Absolutely,

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when he comes back, we could
go on the air and do a live

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or be all. That'll be cool
because that's one of the things which collectibles

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is just like a coin or fine
art or anything. Condition it's based on

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conditioned, So you have to send
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then you could see the real value. Right, do we discuss the price

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on the air now or do we
wait till we do the revealed so he

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can discuss what the card's worth and
what he sold it for me to me,

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let's wait, because I feel like
I do. And that's the roll.

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Well, that's the dice I rolled, because he said it's either a

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PSA one PSA two. He gave
me somewhere in between, because if it

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comes back great At PSA one,
no, I won probably one, he

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gave me. I'm not gonna tell
the price yet, but because back at

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PSA two, oh, I sold
him at a decent price. But he

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made a good chunk of change on
it. And that's that's the dice I

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rolled. I sold it to him
thinking it's going to be a PSA one.

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We don't know yet. It's gonna
come back and get graded. So

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if it's a PSA two, He's
taking me to Texas Roadhouse because I've never

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been. So he's gonna take men. Say, good deal, and I

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may have to take him if it's
a PSA one, so wait, wait,

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so either way we're having steak.
Is PSA one the worst work.

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So this card had one levels,
another two, one, one to ten.

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So this card and George explained it. He took me the back this

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card he got the It had a
major seal in the middle, a major

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crease, excuse me, it was
it was which the card was crisp,

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though I think George right. It
wasn't wilted either. It was a strong

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card, but it was wall centered, nice corners. It just had several

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creases. Other than that, it's
a great card, but it's also forty

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eight sixty. It's a seventy year
old card. Almo, So I,

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well, we'll see if it comes
back at PSA two it could be somewhere

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to thought. Well, we're gonna
find out when we'll reveal. I feel

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like I got a decent price.
Um, either way, one of us

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is getting staked. That was your
color, with your probably with your prices.

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Now you're hoping the Warriors making a
better price. Absolutely, That's another

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thing with cards. It's also based
on you know, player performance or which

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teams are doing well. So if
um, if the Kings do well,

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they upset the Warriors and some of
the players you know Dear and Fox as

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well, his prices go up immediately. Well then he's soaring. He's soaring

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right now. And I will tell
your listeners here eye of the ball.

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When you go to showtime sports,
if you've got a good card, A

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guy walked in, I walked in. The guy had it was the fifty

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five Jackie Robinson. It was George
is very fair with I don't know whatever

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happened with that guy. We made
the deal. I bought the card.

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I send him off with that card. So when we do the reveal,

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well reveal, I want to know
that card. So this guy walked in.

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This card was Christine like it made
my William Mays looked like it was

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out of it a coffee, right, But it wasn't a rookie William Mays.

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But it was a fifty five Jackie
Robinson. Wow, won the world

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Yeah, this was centered glossy.
It was you know the last time the

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Dodgers won the World Series. You're
kidding, I'm turning off your microphone your

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time here is something kee off your
Yeah, I'm sorry, sorry, but

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no, but that card was great
and George took the time and showed him

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the problem. Like I felt like
I got a good experience out of it.

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He wasn't selling me a bag of
goods. He did always preface,

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but going you can sell this on
your own. You can do it.

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You can go to eBay, you
can take out the advertisement, pay the

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taxes to eBay. All right,
or he'll do it and you know it's

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you make more when you sell it
on eBay. Right, Well, you

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know, George is like circle,
Okay, you walk in there, it's

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convenient and you're paying for that,
or you're qut. You're qut. You're

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not qut here though, can bab
the experience? You know? One guys,

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there's another option, a way to
sell cards. This weekend we're having

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a big card show at the shop
Sunday, So that's the thing, Like

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you could buy sell trade cards or
just come check it out and see what

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does card community is about. You
know, my fiance now it's she's like

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I had no idea this world existed
and how how it goes down, and

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now she loves it. I was
gonna say, she's still with you,

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finding she's still your feeling that I
didn't realize you were that much of a

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George. Well, he's got these
great Marvel comics and pokemonmon Besides sport,

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you've got sports cards. But what
you know, besides sports stuff, what

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other stuff do you have store?
George? Well, Pokemon is a beast

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right now. Pokemon it's been We've
been selling for twenty three years and I

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kept thinking, you know it's gonna
die off. We gotta saw our inventory

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and it just keeps going and going, and you set comes out, we

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sell out of it, and that's
a beast, you know a lot of

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Let me ask you question, does
Wall too? Let me ask you a

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question on the pokemon because I just
read Blake Martinez, the linebacker from CDO

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played with the James Packers. He's
now he signed a big contract years ago.

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I think he got like, you
know whatever, forty million guaranteed at

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00:25:56.720 --> 00:26:00.279
the time. Big contract. He's
now out of football. He's in the

407
00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:04.640
pokemon business apparently. Have you big
breakers online? Yeah? Have you dealt

408
00:26:04.680 --> 00:26:07.480
with him at all? Or no? No, No, not really,

409
00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:11.400
But I see him online all the
time and I'm chatted with him. We

410
00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:14.440
try to get him in here and
do a store signing, but his agent

411
00:26:14.559 --> 00:26:17.319
was a little higher than we wanted
to pay, so it still didn't work

412
00:26:17.359 --> 00:26:18.720
out. But that's okay. And
he says he's making a couple million dollars

413
00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:22.440
a year moving these cards. Really
yeah, really, well, he's got

414
00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:25.680
a lot of money to buy the
obscure cards too, right, George,

415
00:26:25.720 --> 00:26:27.240
And then turn it around, I
mean he's got a lot of money in

416
00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:30.519
the bank exactly. Yep. Well, anyway, my experience is great.

417
00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:33.799
Oh, thank you, George.
I had a great time. I can't

418
00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:37.079
wait for the reveal with you guys. Let you know the price. I

419
00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:40.440
appreciate it, and I hope it
comes back at two and I'm willing to

420
00:26:40.519 --> 00:26:44.519
take it a steak dinner if it
does. And if it doesn't, we're

421
00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:48.920
going to Flemings. On your pockets
one. I'm taking to Flemings PSA two.

422
00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:53.359
I'll take the Texas roadhouse I've never
had and I'll go bone and reb

423
00:26:55.960 --> 00:27:02.519
yep. Okay, thank you,
Chris, thank you, George. So

424
00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:04.799
so tell us more about your show
on Sunday, George, What's what's gonna

425
00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:10.000
be going there? So the show
is people. We actually sell table to

426
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:12.279
the public. So a lot of
people have these collections or and you know,

427
00:27:12.519 --> 00:27:15.880
sometimes they do want to sell.
You know, sometimes you have your

428
00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:18.400
own personal collections. But a lot
of times do you buy cards to invest

429
00:27:18.519 --> 00:27:22.640
in cards, And there's for many
reasons, you know, nostalgia and you

430
00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:26.319
know whatever. People like to put
sets together, organizing them things. But

431
00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:30.559
at these shows you can actually sell
your own cards. So we have tables

432
00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:33.960
set up and the you you know, set up your tables, you sell,

433
00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:37.359
and people come in and buy cards. They sell to dealers or sell

434
00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:41.720
to us and trade cards and it's
just a big card community. It's open

435
00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:47.200
to everyone, free admission and just
like if they're interested in like sports or

436
00:27:47.240 --> 00:27:48.960
even sports cards, just come out
and look. I mean there'll be a

437
00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:52.680
lot of people. There'll be three
or four hundred people and come through those

438
00:27:52.759 --> 00:27:56.799
doors. So it's just it's a
neat way. These these shows only happen

439
00:27:56.880 --> 00:28:00.920
twice a year. This is our
biggest one this Sunday, very cool,

440
00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:04.000
and it's pretty much eleven to two. What time is it two eleven to

441
00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:07.559
five pm. I'll be there from
one to two with my book. So

442
00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:12.119
anybody getting some inquiries, I'm not
okay, cool, let's get here.

443
00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:15.480
So I say, okay, I'm
a little more education here for me.

444
00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:19.240
George, you talk about you talk
about a set, and I guess this

445
00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:23.960
Willie May's card is you've you've told
Chris as part of a set that you

446
00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:29.519
have what's the set? So a
set they have these card sets, so

447
00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:33.920
that's that's the nineteen fifty two bowmen
set baseball card set. And each card

448
00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:37.759
has a number associated with it on
the back of the set. So the

449
00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:41.000
Willie Mays you have a Mickey Mantle
and so forth. You even have Sammy

450
00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:45.920
Stars, common players, and some
people, like the old traditionalists, like

451
00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:49.359
to put the entire set together.
I'm actually building that set. That's one

452
00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:52.599
of the key cards. I'm missing
three cards. That was one of the

453
00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:56.000
key cards I was missing. So
my set. So when you say a

454
00:28:56.079 --> 00:28:59.640
set, it's like, you know, like, my son's got a I

455
00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:04.319
think he's got the two boxes of
I want to say a nineteen nineteen ninety

456
00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:11.119
something, uh two okay, unopened
boxes. That's the set, right,

457
00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:14.440
So you're trying to get every card
in that set. How many year in

458
00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:18.119
a set like two hundred, three
hundred, Well, the one year your

459
00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:22.279
son has is I think seven hundred
and fifty six cards. Those are complete

460
00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:26.000
factory sets back in those days been
in make factory sets. You actually have

461
00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:33.920
to hand coal late them together.
So that's that's the Set's that's a set.

462
00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:36.400
Cowmen, you're in that fifty two
set that you have that you got

463
00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:40.400
that you wanted. This Wily May's
card for it's under two hundred. I'm

464
00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:42.920
not sure the exact number. I've
been working on this set for a decade.

465
00:29:44.200 --> 00:29:47.759
Okay, so and it's just that's
crazy. It stumbled apart, you

466
00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:51.759
know. I guess hosted with Steve
and Chris came in. He goes,

467
00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:52.759
hey, guess what I have this
card? I was like, whoa,

468
00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:56.359
I'm looking for that card. Yeah. So how much is that set worth?

469
00:29:56.440 --> 00:30:03.240
Now? Is it? Um?
It depends on the condition. Um

470
00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:07.680
My my mannals a PFA seven.
So it just tond of depends on the

471
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:11.920
condition. But overall the second be
five to twenty thousand dollars. Wow,

472
00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:19.599
this is your bitcoin? Yes,
yes, similar, but this is actually

473
00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:22.759
a tangible product, right, you
know you're right. No, And the

474
00:30:22.839 --> 00:30:30.720
NFT's member, they still confuse me. But I mean I understand it,

475
00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:36.480
and I get it, and I
think eventually it's like it's going to move

476
00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:40.759
to a lot of digital stuff,
but I'm not ready for it, but

477
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:44.000
eventually it will. No, but
you're right. You have these in your

478
00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:45.160
hand, you see them, you
know what they are, you know what

479
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:51.160
they're worth compared to all the bitcoin
and the NFTs blah blah blah. This

480
00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:53.240
is the good old this is us. Well, let me ask you that

481
00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:57.279
exactly. That's a big part of
collecting to the nostalgia, Like, hey,

482
00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:02.000
I remember buying a packet looking at
these cards of these players, or

483
00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:04.279
I was at the ballpark and I
bought the team set and I see these

484
00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:08.279
players that it kind of gives you
that nostalgia happy feeling when you're a kid.

485
00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:11.319
Well, let me ask you,
because I don't know if we've asked

486
00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:14.319
you this and other times that you've
been on but you fell in love with

487
00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:17.079
this at some point. How did
that happen? I mean what, because

488
00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:19.440
you know Steve collected cards. I
collected cards, but I didn't make a

489
00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:22.079
living out of it. I mean, how did this happen that you fell

490
00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:26.599
in love with this and then made
a living out of this? So I

491
00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:29.359
don't know if I told this story
before, but we had I grew up

492
00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:32.000
in LA and we had season ticket
tho little Odgers. I used to keep

493
00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:34.559
score for my dad on the way
out. If I did a good job,

494
00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:38.079
he would buy me something at the
souvenir stand. Sometimes of mindy helmet

495
00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:42.119
a little baseball. One time I'd
seen a team set and I was like,

496
00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:44.920
hey, Pops, can I get
one of those? And He's like,

497
00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:47.640
all right, it's too much,
And I grabbed it and I clipped

498
00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:51.119
it over on the back. They
actually had stats on the cards, and

499
00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:56.160
I know, keeping score of every
game. I just I was a statistic

500
00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:59.720
fanatic and I just fell in love. And from there I just never stopped

501
00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:02.599
it. And you just always collected. And then but at some point you

502
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:06.160
said I'm gonna make a business out
and he was young. How did that

503
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:10.119
happen? Yes, you know,
I started doing card shows in California,

504
00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:15.000
and I was I was going to
school and I was waiting or busting tables

505
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:16.279
out chet at the time. I
was in high school. But then I

506
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:20.319
would do these shows on the weekends
a Saturday, and I was like,

507
00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:23.559
wow, I'm making It's much money, you know, these eight hours at

508
00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:27.599
the show, that all week at
the restaurant. I was like, there

509
00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:30.359
could be some money into this.
And then when I was down here,

510
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:32.240
I thought I was going to open
a shop and do it for three years

511
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:35.680
and then grow up and get a
real job. I was twenty five at

512
00:32:35.720 --> 00:32:38.480
the time. Here we are twenty
five years later, and the business is

513
00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:44.559
growing and we're sometimes breaking records.
Wow, that's that's fascinating to me,

514
00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:46.559
because, like you know, we
all had boxes of these cards, like,

515
00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:50.240
I know you hear that story all
the time. And who knows,

516
00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:53.720
right right, who knows where my
cards ended up? I don't know.

517
00:32:53.799 --> 00:33:00.559
My mom hated him, but that
she was like, oh, you know,

518
00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:02.559
like I don't under see you worked
so hard mowing lawns and stuff,

519
00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:06.599
and you're spending all his money on
the stupid cardboard. But I was just

520
00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:09.799
nuns and how she's like he shakes
her head, She's like, unbelievable.

521
00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:14.200
Now, my mom's thing was pick
these damn things up off the floor and

522
00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:19.440
get him the hell out of here. You're saying, both sobs were like

523
00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:22.319
that, and the generation is get
those darned legos off the floor because they

524
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:29.359
hurt that my step on the lego
man, right right. That's that's fascinating

525
00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:32.240
to me because it, I mean, it is quite an industry. Oh

526
00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:37.839
huge, huge, what's the biggest
card or the best card you've received while

527
00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:40.160
in Tucson? Like like you said, Wow, the holy Grail that you've

528
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:45.799
received and I've gone through. I
mean there's all sorts of things you know,

529
00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:50.880
we sold. I think I talked
about like we sold that Emmy trophy

530
00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:55.799
that a guy that shot like the
nineteen eighty six World Series and his son

531
00:33:57.079 --> 00:34:00.880
actually had the Emmy Award and he
brought it. Hearing he had a box

532
00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:02.839
of memory billion. I was like, hey, what's that I ended up

533
00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:07.440
buying and now it turned out to
be like the twelve thousand dollars I mean

534
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:12.920
award, but it's probably worth one
hundred k. Now, well, well

535
00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:15.480
I'm speechless. Yeah, I'm a
speechless to that. I'm still going to

536
00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:22.440
ground sales and looking for that special
drink it this diamond real they're out there.

537
00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:27.960
It's harder to find now because everybody
has this. Not baseball cards are

538
00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:30.800
worth millions of dollars, not all
of them, but there's still some fines

539
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:34.360
out there. Yeah, yeah,
tell us one more time before we go

540
00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:38.119
the Sunday thing. It's this Sunday, April twenty third. The show's here

541
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:44.519
at the shop show Time Cards on
Speedway East the Craigcroft and where the show

542
00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:47.400
is going to be from eleven to
five pm. Steve, you're gonna be

543
00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:52.159
here from one to two. So
it's gonna be a great show. Yeah,

544
00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:54.079
okay, I mean even if you're
interested, just come by and look.

545
00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:58.079
It's really neat. Right. So
we have a lot of different people

546
00:34:58.119 --> 00:35:01.079
and then you're stow your store.
Will you open as well? Absolutely?

547
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:05.360
Okay, all right, George,
thanks so much, man, appreciate it.

548
00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:07.679
This was fine. Thank you,
guys. Appreciate you guys. Have

549
00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:12.320
you me on right? Thanks George. Anybody would have digging those boxes in

550
00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:14.840
years? I mean, thank you. I may sing bad with my cards.

551
00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:17.840
Who knows what I'm doing with my
stuff? All right, let's go

552
00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:21.400
and take our break. We're gonna
come back and uh hey, we'll take

553
00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:23.360
your calls five two zero four one
six seventy four. A lot of news.

554
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We'll cover a lot of that stuff
from breaking news. But if you

555
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spring football is out there. There's a

556
00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:31.840
lot of transfer, portal stuff happening, all kinds of things going on.

557
00:35:31.960 --> 00:35:35.440
If you've got some cards that you
want to tell a story about, we'd

558
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love to hear that as well.
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on the Ball and welcome back two
Fox spots fourteen fifty on Steve bo you're

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jagnzals. You have open lines for
next twelve minutes to want to cost seven

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five two huety that's our number five
two number four six. Yes, Smith

614
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just remembered it. It was good. That was fun with George. It's

615
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always fun with George. He's first
of all, he's, you know,

616
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a good dude, good dude,
he knows his stuff. Um, there

617
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is a you know, there's just
a large segment of people out there who

618
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were interested in this stuff. Yeah, Howard. Howard likes to argue because

619
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he was in the business before.
Remember who recalled Yeah, I was in

620
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providing a far George. I hope
he's doing okay in South Dakota, North

621
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Dakota. Whatever Dakota, whatever Dakota
he might be in. You know,

622
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watch out for those people they do, those bikers. The man. Yeah,

623
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but no, I I you know, I love talking to him every

624
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time. And again. The fascination
to me is, you know how he

625
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ended up doing this as a business, right and started out when he was

626
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a kid. And how was it
garget much younger fifty because you said he

627
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twenty five, he started twenty five
years later. Fifty looks about fifties in

628
00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:55.480
shape. I hate the guy.
It's a shape. I got all those

629
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muscles. I looked like this.
I got the dad bob. But you

630
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:01.760
know when you think about that,
and you know, twenty five years ago,

631
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right, uh you know, I
mean this has been a business for

632
00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:09.280
a long time. Again, I
again, I remember those you know guys

633
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:13.280
at the Star where you know,
collecting cards and then I mean I left

634
00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:15.800
there. I left there start ninety
one. So we're talking before that that

635
00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:20.679
U you know, this was this
was a deal. And now you know,

636
00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:23.119
somebody like Georgia has this, you
know, very successful business doing this.

637
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:28.559
Yeah. No, it's like it's
one of the reasons why he got

638
00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:30.760
into the business. So twenty of
the reasons why I got into this business

639
00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:34.320
the only thing I've ever wanted to
do. You know, you get you

640
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:37.280
it's not really work. Yeah,
but you know what I'm saying, I'm

641
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:39.800
sure, how many years have you
worked? Yeah? How many of your

642
00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:45.880
sixty one sixty three old? So
you started working when you're let's saying eighteen.

643
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:49.719
I was nineteen when I started at
the Star. This put in perspective.

644
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:54.480
Okay, so you've worked, uh, forty forty five years. How

645
00:41:54.519 --> 00:42:00.880
many years have you worked? Oh, I'm gonna say the two years I

646
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:07.119
did at the City. No,
No, that's okay. My time both

647
00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:12.280
at the Star and that Tucson Electric
were it was worked, but it was

648
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:14.320
I It was work. I enjoyed. I love doing it. I love

649
00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:16.119
going to work. And then you
know when I got out and started doing

650
00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:19.599
my own stuff. Yeah, I
haven't worked a day soon. So two

651
00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:22.880
years out of forty five years.
Yeah, it's pretty doting good, pretty

652
00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:27.360
good. Yeah. I've worked thirty
thirty give and take thirty eight. I've

653
00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:30.320
worked three year, four years.
There are times during the newspaper business you

654
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:35.480
can't have to deal with ps,
but four years total, which is fantastic.

655
00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:37.239
Yeah. Yeah, no, I
I you know, I got up

656
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:39.840
looking forward to stuff every day now
and I did then. Um, like

657
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:42.960
I said, you know, when
you worked for the city and you work

658
00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:46.559
in a in an area of the
city where people just if they think it's

659
00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:51.440
their job and their right to just
step on your neck every day, that's

660
00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:54.519
that's hard. That's really hard to
do. That's a heck of an endorsement

661
00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:57.920
for the city of too well.
In the position I was in, I

662
00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:00.480
was. I was in the in
the UK, I was working in the

663
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:04.960
city manager's office in the communications thought
and the only people you heard from where

664
00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:07.639
people were pissed you. Yeah,
that's just that was the nature of what

665
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:12.000
we did, right, you know, it was the nature of what we

666
00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:15.679
did so that that was hard and
I could only take it for that couple

667
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:17.599
of years. So if you want
to give as call, nothing would be

668
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:22.360
an interesting topic. How long have
you worked really worked really well? I

669
00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:24.559
mean, how long have you worked
that you considered what you did on a

670
00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:29.320
daily basis just really just be a
stuff. I don't want to do this,

671
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:30.760
I mean. And of course there's
some people out there you know who

672
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:35.119
are like you, and they stay
in these jobs too because of what they

673
00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:37.920
pay. Well, sure they're stable
Um, you know, they're not going

674
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:42.519
anywhere. They have skills, and
yeah, that's what they do so and

675
00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:45.199
that's fine, there's nothing wrong with
that. And there are also people who

676
00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:47.559
like to make other people's lives miserable. There are those, and that was

677
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:55.239
working at the city too. For
me. I did well, and really,

678
00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:58.719
in a nutshell, that's why I
left because there were too many people

679
00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:04.280
who I work with on a daily
basis who that's what they wanted to hear.

680
00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:07.360
They wanted to make your day as
miserable as possible. Reason what was

681
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:14.039
the reason? Politics? For what
talent? For their enjoyments they wanted?

682
00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:16.480
They they God, you're gonna get
me. You're gonna we're gonna go into

683
00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:20.719
the weeds on this. Well,
you don't get There were some city council

684
00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:25.079
members who didn't like the city manager
two thousand and two to two thousand and

685
00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:30.400
four, and those city council members
didn't like him, mostly because he was

686
00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:35.960
so much smarter than him. So
they just wanted to make it as hard

687
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:39.719
as possible for him to manage the
city. And that's and that's what they

688
00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:44.960
felt was their their daily duty,
and they did that. They were elected

689
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:49.760
officials who didn't want things to go
well in the city of Tucson because they

690
00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:53.079
wanted to get rid of the city
manager. So they did literally sabotage things

691
00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:58.480
because they wanted him out until he
finally quit. And you know where he

692
00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:02.159
went to work, Sanford University.
That's how smart that guy was, right,

693
00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:07.960
uh, because then up ended up
becoming the city manager of Paulo Alto

694
00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:12.559
because he couldn't stand these people any
longer than I sure, sure, no,

695
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:15.159
no, that you know. That's
what That's what that group of council

696
00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:20.280
members did at that period of time. They were the most dysfunctional, idiotic

697
00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:22.840
group of people who had been in
the elected in elected position that I've ever

698
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:27.800
run across. Ever, I'm not
sure you go, Okay, you guys,

699
00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:30.679
know who you are, who I'm
talking to, and the people who

700
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:32.960
were listening and know who where I
was at the time, know who I'm

701
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:38.199
talking Yeah you get think this is
welcome to the political twenty years ago.

702
00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:42.000
Yeah yeah, okay, So listen, if you want to call us,

703
00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:45.320
how many years have you worked?
But actually worked among those years? It's

704
00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:47.880
like some people who love teaching,
they get into teaching and they really don't

705
00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:52.000
work. Some people think teaching it's
crazy. I was a substitute teacher.

706
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:54.440
I'll never do it again. No, uh you know, uh no,

707
00:45:54.719 --> 00:46:00.360
I that thankless job, thankless job. And the kids are crazy. Yeah,

708
00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:04.559
you kids are crazy. Yeah,
they run the show they do,

709
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:07.239
which is I couldn't believe it.
I think we would have got our butts

710
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:12.920
kicked. No, I hear you
know, you know I did enough.

711
00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:17.119
I didn't enough speaking at at high
schools and middle schools. You know when

712
00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:22.440
I was a journalist to see how
a classroom runs, now, I would

713
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:25.480
you know, they would give me
their attention because but getting to that,

714
00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:30.000
yeah, to see the things that
a teacher had to do to you know,

715
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:32.760
to do I'm like, there's no
way I would want to No,

716
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:36.800
no, and every day for whatever. Shoot, now you don't know if

717
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:39.239
you're gonna get shot, why would
you ever want to do that? Very

718
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:44.159
said, hey man, those people
are saints, right without questions, deserve

719
00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:46.920
to do the work that they're doing. We'll get off the political soap,

720
00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:52.599
okay, because we keep getting on
it. We tell you other things than

721
00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:57.400
basketball, So everyone they could be
hearing any time from If I'm crating,

722
00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:00.239
there's a guy from from California.
Bea break oh, okay, so I

723
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:02.639
won't talk about that. So there's
a lot of things going on. The

724
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:07.440
women's women seems got a recruiter two
right coming back, So things are looking

725
00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:12.559
at least promising. Yeah, you
know, it's shaping up. It's what

726
00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:15.119
it is. I think. Did
I ask you this or we talking about

727
00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:19.119
this? Okay, so everyone talks
about a lot of people talk about Okay,

728
00:47:19.159 --> 00:47:21.960
well, who's your recruiting are they? Are they talented? YadA YadA?

729
00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:24.639
Are they good enough to play at
Arizona? And I'm saying they know

730
00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:29.840
what they're doing one and over the
last few times Arizona has lost in the

731
00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:34.639
tournament, they've lost to teams that
weren't as talented. So so much for

732
00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:37.639
being talented, right right? Yeah, I mean there's so many pieces of

733
00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:42.400
what you have to do right you
do that? You know, with Connecticut

734
00:47:42.519 --> 00:47:45.639
really the most talented team in the
country, I couldn't tell you, but

735
00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:49.320
they had some good pieces, right
and then pieces that fit in, right.

736
00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:52.400
Isn't that ninety seven? They fit
they fit in at the right time.

737
00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:57.440
Ninety seven. Come on, you
had to apologize to aj because he

738
00:47:57.639 --> 00:48:00.039
wasn't wasn't the guy, He wasn't
the guy. Jean wasn't that guy,

739
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:04.559
but he fit in. Yeah,
you had you had, you had Miles

740
00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:07.679
Bennet Davidson could do one thing.
Jump by Jem. You couldn't shoot,

741
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:10.239
but he could rebound and jump out
of the put stuff back. No,

742
00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:13.559
they had the right It's about having
the right pieces. This is like a

743
00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:15.559
good marriage. Whether you're a good
looking couple or a bad looking couple.

744
00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:20.880
If you know how to work it, you'll work it. If you don't,

745
00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:22.639
if you're selfish, blah blah blah, it doesn't work. It doesn't

746
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:25.800
work exactly. And and that's yeah, I mean it all has to fit

747
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:29.800
together. And that's what these teams
do. And that's what you know.

748
00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:31.519
Anybody who's up there, you know, wondering, you know, what's Tommy

749
00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:35.840
Lloyd doing? Why doesn't he Why
hasn't he you know, signed any you

750
00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:38.599
know, brought any transfer guys in
guys. He's out there trying to put

751
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:42.880
the pieces together, and it's he's
got. You gotta do it carefully,

752
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:46.280
even as if you're off, if
you're wrong on a guy or two,

753
00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:50.760
you lose the season. Lose the
season right, right, And you don't

754
00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:54.519
know if you're off or messed up
until it happens, right, until it

755
00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:57.480
gets on the floor, gets on
the floor, and you work out.

756
00:48:57.519 --> 00:49:00.719
You said, God, maybe this
guy doesn't this guy. Yeah, it's

757
00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:02.320
like in ninety seven. I don't
know if you remember this. Ninety six.

758
00:49:02.440 --> 00:49:06.519
Ninety seven they had the pieces and
it was kind of a nondescript team,

759
00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:09.159
right, and the baby and Simon
and Dickerson, JT Nother he read

760
00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:12.800
him off their big names. Ninety
eight was better than ninety seven, But

761
00:49:12.920 --> 00:49:15.760
ninety eighty at work, there was
a guy named Stephen Jackson. Remember,

762
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:21.360
right, he couldn't get in,
couldn't get in right. What imagine how

763
00:49:21.440 --> 00:49:22.719
he kind of happen? What would
have it? Could have thrown off the

764
00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:27.880
dynamic of the team, as talented
as he was, because you're gonna have

765
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:30.679
to sit one of these guys,
probably Miles because he played the kind of

766
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:35.559
Samuel positions, or Dickerson, Dickerson's
you know what I'm saying. Right,

767
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:38.800
Well, my mind goes to Sean
Miller's team, the twenty twelve team,

768
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:45.000
okay, being Duke in twenty eleven, Mumbo Jones. Uh yeah, the

769
00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:50.519
guy who missed a shot, Derrick
Williams. Then he goes and gets these

770
00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:54.280
two guys, Josiah Turner and Sadiki
Johnson. No, no, there were

771
00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:58.920
the first there was in his first
class. There was his first class class

772
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:02.400
because he got rid of Momo Jones, well the first first years, because

773
00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:06.119
he can't. He inherited whatever they
was left. But he got rid of

774
00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:09.320
Momo Jones so that Josiah Turner could
start right. Didn't Mambo Jones come in

775
00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:14.920
afterwards? I'd have to see.
I believe that because because he lets Momo

776
00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:20.800
Jones go, Mamo Jones transfers to
Iona. I think, because he's gonna

777
00:50:20.840 --> 00:50:25.400
start, he wants he thinks Josiah
Turner's the answer that Sadiki dude doesn't last

778
00:50:25.639 --> 00:50:30.800
a semester. And Josiah Turner was
a mess and he was gone, and

779
00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:35.280
it's like, you know, he
made a choice. That's how I that's

780
00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:39.599
how I remember it. Twenty thirteen
he went into the draft, so he

781
00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:44.559
went other places. I have to
see his two thousand and twelve was was

782
00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:49.199
he came in and he started and
he was terrible. And Sadiki Johnson again

783
00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:53.559
he quit at the at the semester. So you make these choices. Mamo

784
00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:58.920
Look, Mamo Jones wasn't great,
but he was good for what Sean Miller

785
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:04.719
was doing right game that he had
against against Duke in the in the in

786
00:51:04.760 --> 00:51:07.960
the sweet sixteen. You know,
I mean, like why, you know,

787
00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:10.719
why would you say I can't use
that. I'm gonna go get I'm

788
00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:15.199
gonna I'm gonna take this guy.
But Josiah Turner was such a you know,

789
00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:17.760
he was so highly rated, right, and he was terrible. He

790
00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:22.320
in fact just said blah blah blah
blah. He founded in during twenty nine

791
00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:25.679
games, he averaged only six point
eight games. Rumors had it that he

792
00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:29.559
was kind of a party year to
go back seat blah blah blah, which

793
00:51:29.639 --> 00:51:32.719
is kind of true. Um,
I can't find that in two thousand and

794
00:51:32.719 --> 00:51:37.280
twelve he got two thousand and twelve. It must have been freshman year he

795
00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:40.280
was. He was a freshman in
two thousand and twelve. Mamo Jones was

796
00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:45.239
the was the point guard in two
thousand and eleven and then and Sean I

797
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:47.679
don't know if you ran him out, but he basically said, Josiah Turner

798
00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:52.039
is gonna be my starter. So
Mamo Jones left and Josiah Turner comes in

799
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:53.960
and he used and he was terrible
yeah, because Momo went to Iona Iona,

800
00:51:54.199 --> 00:51:58.400
right, I had that much.
Yeah, I mean I'm gonna trying

801
00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:00.360
to go back to him. All
right, Well, look it up,

802
00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:01.880
how we're while we're at break.
If we're gonna go, we're gonna come

803
00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:05.840
back. We're going to have breaking
news here at the here at the top

804
00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:08.000
of the hour. A lot of
stuff going on in a lot of different

805
00:52:08.039 --> 00:52:10.599
directions, so we'll be sure to
cover as much of it as we can.

806
00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:14.920
And s Hee's gonna come back and
tell us the history of Josiah Turner

807
00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:15.480
at Arizona. Will be right back