1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:07,000 This is London calling. Either way. Seven and a half years later, 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:12,160 we can point to the precise moment that Permanent Washington decided to send Donald Trump 3 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:16,640 to prison. Here it is. It's from the Republican candidates debate in Greenville, 4 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:20,239 South Carolina. We should have never been in a rack. We have 5 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:25,160 destabilized the Middle East. But it was the next line that doomed Trump to 6 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:30,679 today's arrest. They lied. He said there were no weapons of mass destruction 7 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:40,560 and they knew there were none. Welcome to London calling with me, James 8 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,679 Denibor and my very good friend mister Toby Young. I hope you haven't had 9 00:00:44,799 --> 00:00:50,399 a week as boring as I've had. Now, I've had quite well, 10 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:56,600 an event filled week that could be boring, That can be boring, yes, 11 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,399 but now I wouldn't say it, And we've had quite a relaxing weekend. 12 00:00:59,479 --> 00:01:03,200 I managed to spend in time with my family, cook some family meals, 13 00:01:03,759 --> 00:01:06,319 do some odd jobs around the house, a bit of gardening. So 14 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:10,359 I feel like I'm all caught up but with domestic life and can now plunge 15 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:15,120 back into my career as an international man of mystery. All right, okay, 16 00:01:15,159 --> 00:01:17,519 yeah, no, I always like getting in a bit of stuff like 17 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:23,319 gardening and lawnmowing because I get like, but you know, I get points 18 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,680 basically exactly the wife. One recovers a little bit from all the brandy points 19 00:01:27,719 --> 00:01:32,040 you've lost during the week with one's wife. Yeah, I think. I 20 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,239 think it's the same for men the world over. I had a very boring 21 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:41,799 warning I had to do one of those speed awareness courses online. Now, 22 00:01:41,799 --> 00:01:44,519 what were the circumstances heading up to this, James, How fast were you 23 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:48,120 going and where were you going? Oh? I was going down to have 24 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:52,120 a if you really want to know, I was going to have one of 25 00:01:52,159 --> 00:01:59,239 those is it called eight past nine past twelve pass blood things where they where 26 00:01:59,239 --> 00:02:04,400 they remove your luod oxygen ate it and then or put ozone through it and 27 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,799 then put it back in. And I was I was late for my appointment, 28 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:13,080 and I was so I was zapping down that road that goes from sort 29 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,719 of Oxford Way, I think is it a thirty four um sort of through 30 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:24,000 Hampshire um pass pass down to an abbey that'd passed high clear and then down 31 00:02:24,039 --> 00:02:29,560 towards the south coast, and I got nicked by one of those police fans. 32 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:36,159 I think I was doing you know, eighty something in a okay okay, 33 00:02:36,159 --> 00:02:40,199 and they gave it the option of either accepting the points and what a 34 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:46,120 fine or taking a speed awareness called yeah, because you see, you can 35 00:02:46,159 --> 00:02:51,479 only you can only take the speed awareness option every three years. And luckily 36 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,080 my previous bit speed awareness thing had just run out, so it was three 37 00:02:54,159 --> 00:02:59,120 years since I last got nick for speeding and I took the speeding awareness. 38 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,159 You didn't you did had it been within the three year window, So you 39 00:03:02,199 --> 00:03:07,919 wouldn't you would you have tried to claim that Tiffany was driving at the time. 40 00:03:08,159 --> 00:03:12,599 Well, I don't know. Look, I think one has a moral 41 00:03:12,719 --> 00:03:19,080 duty to um to frustrate the Nanny Stage at every possible term. I mean, 42 00:03:19,159 --> 00:03:23,000 i'm, I'm, I'm totally against lying generally, but I think that 43 00:03:23,599 --> 00:03:30,280 when you are lying or cheating the devil, then anything goes. I believe 44 00:03:30,319 --> 00:03:35,639 that the stage is fundamentally evil and against us in every every way. What 45 00:03:35,719 --> 00:03:40,680 if you're a senior politician and former coalition party or rather coalition government cabinet minister, 46 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:46,680 as Chris Huan was when he lied about who was driving the vehicle and 47 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:51,039 made his wife take the points and was then later found out when his wife 48 00:03:52,159 --> 00:03:55,599 confidentially imparted that Isabel Oak shot. He wrote about it in The Sunny Times. 49 00:03:57,639 --> 00:04:00,120 I don't think these people are really human, Toby, that that they 50 00:04:00,919 --> 00:04:05,199 they they have sort of they have. Um. I'm sure that some people 51 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:10,520 become politicians with the noblest of intentions, but by the time they get to 52 00:04:10,599 --> 00:04:16,959 Chris Huhn's stage, they've lost any right they might have to public sympathy or 53 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,920 indeed to the status of being a viable human being. I think I think 54 00:04:20,959 --> 00:04:25,680 that they're just they're just agents of Satan. Basically, I have no time 55 00:04:25,759 --> 00:04:29,160 for politicians at all. I think, I think, I know this. 56 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,800 This is kind of one of the things that were one of our great dividing 57 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:39,160 lines, that that you think that these people are really fundamentally decent, and 58 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,879 I think that they are not. They are they are the very least corrupt. 59 00:04:43,519 --> 00:04:46,600 Um probably, I think. I think. I don't think that all 60 00:04:46,639 --> 00:04:51,279 politicians, yes, all of them, I think I think, um no, 61 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,199 No, I don't think that all of them are decent. Change I'm 62 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,600 just correcting your caricature of my position. I'm not trying to summarize yours. 63 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:03,079 But um, I I do think that probably a majority of politicians, at 64 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:10,439 least in this country, start out with good intentions and go into politics for 65 00:05:10,439 --> 00:05:12,680 the right reason, because they want to make a difference, because they have 66 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,480 a sense of duty, patriotism, want to do some public service. But 67 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:23,279 I think many of them, not all of them, do become corrupt if 68 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:28,480 they ever attain any power. And I think it's it isn't just power that 69 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,839 corrupts. It's also, I think just the brutality of politics. Being surrounded 70 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:42,199 by people who are willing to sacrifice any personal integrity, any principle, in 71 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:46,079 order to advance their political career or the political cause they believe in. I 72 00:05:46,079 --> 00:05:50,680 think that ultimately has a kind of brutalizing, desensitizing effect. That's my experienced 73 00:05:50,879 --> 00:05:56,240 politicians are the compromats. Don't forget the compromat, you know, the photographs 74 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:00,199 with the kids and stuff like that. I mean that, it's just yeah, 75 00:06:00,199 --> 00:06:03,240 I I don't want it even want to be in a room with these 76 00:06:03,319 --> 00:06:06,279 people anyway. I was going to tell you about my my driving, my 77 00:06:06,399 --> 00:06:10,240 driving course, and you distracted me by making it all serious. Sorry, 78 00:06:10,319 --> 00:06:13,720 I was going to. I was going to. I was really tempted. 79 00:06:13,759 --> 00:06:16,720 It was a zoom call and so there are about nine of us on the 80 00:06:16,759 --> 00:06:19,040 zoom call and it's like, as you know, have you done one of 81 00:06:19,079 --> 00:06:23,439 these courses I have? Yeah, it's like being back at I did. 82 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,000 I did mine in person. I didn't do it via zoom. If you 83 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,600 do do it via zoom, don't they watch you like a hawk. So 84 00:06:29,639 --> 00:06:31,399 if you're sort of on your phone, if you tear your eyes away from 85 00:06:31,399 --> 00:06:34,160 the screen, you have to do the desk. You get busted. You 86 00:06:34,199 --> 00:06:36,800 have to do it again. Well, they ask you questions and stuff to 87 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:42,639 test whether you're whether you're paying attention and you and you have to you have 88 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,480 to gauge it right. You don't want to be the class swat um. 89 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:51,040 At the same time, you don't want to answer so few questions that you're 90 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:56,319 The guy in charge of the course gets upset and kinds of extends it because 91 00:06:56,319 --> 00:06:59,000 he feels you're not paying attention. So you want him to get it over 92 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:03,959 as quickly as possible, which is why I had to suppress. In any 93 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:10,199 any situation where where there's there's more than one person present, I want to 94 00:07:10,279 --> 00:07:13,279 well, even with there's one person present apart from me, all I want 95 00:07:13,319 --> 00:07:16,639 to do is red pillham I want to talk about talk about the death jabs, 96 00:07:16,759 --> 00:07:20,279 or talk about whatever. And there were there were various things I wanted 97 00:07:20,319 --> 00:07:25,600 to say, like when this, when this figure came up that I think 98 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:30,759 it's it's only sixteen hundred people that die every year in road accidents. Okay, 99 00:07:30,759 --> 00:07:32,600 I mean it's bad, bad if you're one of those sixteen hundred people. 100 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:38,319 But I was going to say, the government, the government is worried 101 00:07:38,319 --> 00:07:40,680 about sixteen hundred people? Is it? When it when it? When it 102 00:07:40,759 --> 00:07:44,639 killed at least ten times that with with with vaccines, and I would have 103 00:07:44,639 --> 00:07:46,680 been the perfect, the perfect excuse, but I did. And then we 104 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:50,240 were talking about we were talking about ways, and I said, you know, 105 00:07:50,279 --> 00:07:53,199 I love ways. I love the way it can get you out of 106 00:07:53,199 --> 00:07:57,079 traffic jams. But isn't anyone else here feeling a bit uncomfortable about using something 107 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:01,759 that was developed spyware that was developed by the Israeli Intelligent Services. Always always 108 00:08:01,879 --> 00:08:05,879 golden, golden moments where I knew that I had a captive audience, I 109 00:08:05,879 --> 00:08:07,800 could have got them on board. And yeah, there was there was a 110 00:08:07,839 --> 00:08:11,879 mixture of them. There was the sort of old school, sort of brummy 111 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:16,240 brummy lorry driver who was having a fag as he attended the thing. And 112 00:08:16,279 --> 00:08:20,639 then there was a black person who worked for the NHS, and there was 113 00:08:20,639 --> 00:08:24,399 a woman with a with a hijab type thing, and there was a you 114 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,000 know, it was all the all the different different types of you know, 115 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,320 there was the boy racer, there was was representative, there was the sulky, 116 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:35,279 the sulky girl. And I was thinking, yeah, I wonder which 117 00:08:35,279 --> 00:08:37,080 ones would bite, But I never got the chart site and I did not 118 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,360 want to be the wanker that makes the class any a fraction of a second 119 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:45,960 longer than it needs to be. So you could you could tell which ones 120 00:08:46,759 --> 00:08:50,639 were on my side and which ones weren't. At the in person speed awareness 121 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:54,960 course I did, it was in a hotel um just on the on the 122 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:00,840 north circular um and and it was on the south occit actually it's on the 123 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:07,200 eight four or six. And the people who were definitely not on our side 124 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:11,159 were wearing masks even though masks weren't mandatory, right, and those who weren't 125 00:09:11,159 --> 00:09:13,559 weren't wearing masks. I mean in that way, mask is quite helpful in 126 00:09:13,759 --> 00:09:18,759 immediately enabling you at a glance to sort people into you know, lockdown skeptics 127 00:09:18,799 --> 00:09:24,960 and lockdown delots. But when I did it, interestingly, James, you 128 00:09:24,039 --> 00:09:28,399 know they I initially, my initial sort of attitude was, you know, 129 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:33,720 I'm just having to go through these motions. It's entirely pointless. I'm just 130 00:09:33,919 --> 00:09:35,559 doing this to avoid getting the points and paying the fine. I'm not actually 131 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,639 going to learn anything and in order to and they must be aware that most 132 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,639 people approached the course with that in mind, you know, out of a 133 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,600 sense of grim duty, not because they think they're going to learn anything useful. 134 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:52,039 So they initially pep you with these questions such as, you know, 135 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:58,200 if you're in a heavy goods vehicle in a fifty mile per hour zone, 136 00:09:58,639 --> 00:10:03,240 how fast are you allowed to go? Questions like that designed to tease out 137 00:10:03,399 --> 00:10:09,039 the labyrinthine complexity of the speed limit rules. And and of course you know, 138 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:13,879 I failed that test completely, and I suppose after that did think, 139 00:10:13,919 --> 00:10:16,720 well, maybe I'm going to learn something here. So I didn't earn any 140 00:10:16,759 --> 00:10:22,320 of that, But of course in retrospect, what it shows you is that 141 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:26,480 the rules are impossible to master. They seem almost designed to catch you out, 142 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:28,919 so you'll end up having to you know, I mean, you have 143 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,879 to pay for the speed Awareness courtness of course, and somebody's getting rich. 144 00:10:33,399 --> 00:10:35,039 But if you don't, you know, if you if you don't take the 145 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,080 speed awareness course, you have to pay us sum of money to you know, 146 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,000 the government. And it's just it just shows you when when when they 147 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:46,240 give you this initial course, which I'm sure everyone fails, you know that 148 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,080 the little quiz, that little pop up quiz, It just shows you how 149 00:10:50,399 --> 00:10:54,840 impossible it is to avoid being done for speeding. Yeah, and at the 150 00:10:56,039 --> 00:10:58,559 end they say, well have you learned your lesson? And what what what 151 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,440 you're going to take to apply all the things you've learned today? And I 152 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,440 was thinking, yeah, well it's quite interesting you learn that that how little 153 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,600 difference it makes to your journeys at time, if you add ten miles an 154 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,919 hour to your journey, maybe I will, just for the sake of my 155 00:11:13,039 --> 00:11:18,080 license, think about that. And then just before this podcast, daughter ran 156 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:24,320 from from from her place of work and she left her fags at home and 157 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,120 urgently needed the fags delivered to her because you can you can't get rolling tobacco 158 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,759 where she was. And I thought, well, this is an important mercy 159 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:37,759 mission. So I dashed off and it was a race against time to get 160 00:11:37,799 --> 00:11:41,200 back for this podcast, and I found myself inadvertently speeding. So there we 161 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:46,120 are, and shows how how affective these courses are. I mean, unlike 162 00:11:46,159 --> 00:11:50,559 you, you know, I'm very skeptical. There does definitely seem to be 163 00:11:50,159 --> 00:11:56,960 a war taking place motorists, not just in this country but across the developed 164 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:03,879 world. And the constant duction of speed limits and the introduction of evermore complexity 165 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:09,440 into the rules of the road, and the amount of money the government is 166 00:12:09,519 --> 00:12:16,519 now raking in from people having to pay parking fine speeding fines. It all 167 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:20,159 seems to be part of a global conspiracy to force to stop driving cars. 168 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:26,080 I don't know if you. The WEF has announced its target. It wants 169 00:12:26,039 --> 00:12:31,960 seventy five. It wants a seventy five percent reduction in private car ownership by 170 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:39,279 twenty fifty. And of course, one of the reasons these authoritarian global bodies 171 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,360 dislike car ownership, it's not just because they brought into the kind of climate 172 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:50,200 change hysteria. It's also because owning a car is a kind of talisman of 173 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:56,200 individual freedom, of autonomy, makes you less dependent on the state. And 174 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:01,279 of course these authoritary institutions don't like Toby. This is a great moment. 175 00:13:01,399 --> 00:13:05,519 This is this is the joy in heaven. They have a one sentence and 176 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,720 of that repents this. You finally admitted it. The global conspiracy is real? 177 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:13,799 Is that what I'm saying. I'm saying I'd I'd be probably, I'd 178 00:13:13,799 --> 00:13:20,240 be willing to entertain the hypothesis that there are there is an organized international effort 179 00:13:20,639 --> 00:13:28,559 to discourage people from driving and owning cars because they pay these or driven cars. 180 00:13:28,799 --> 00:13:31,919 I'm willing to acknowledge that there isn't. I wouldn't call it a conspiracy, 181 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,600 but there is a coordinated international Why wouldn't you call on most risks? 182 00:13:35,159 --> 00:13:39,159 Why why would I mean, if it's coordinated, Well, I suppose partly 183 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,200 because it's in plain sight, and they set out their reasons, and I 184 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,679 don't think they're going to I don't think they have anything. I didn't they 185 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:52,120 have any any kind of concrete financial incentive or other sinister incentive for promoting this 186 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,360 agenda. I mean, I think I think it. I think it is 187 00:13:54,519 --> 00:14:01,759 largely because they believe that carbon emissions contribute to climate change, and that if 188 00:14:01,799 --> 00:14:03,519 we don't do something about it, we'll soon reach a point of a return, 189 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:11,440 and sooths I don't think. I don't think necessarily um that for that 190 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:15,799 a conspiracy has to take has to be secret to counter as a conspiracy. 191 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:20,120 When we talk about conspiracies in plain sight all the time, and it just 192 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:26,360 means conspiring, doesn't it means breathing together literally, And whether whether they conduct 193 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:31,240 their their plan in mock us by showing us what they're doing as w e 194 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:37,080 F does, or whether they're doing it in dark, smoky rooms doesn't smoke 195 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,759 for rooms, doesn't really matter, does it. It's still a conspiracy. 196 00:14:39,799 --> 00:14:45,559 It's still a bunch of people arranging the world in their particular interests. But 197 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,799 I suppose I think of if when I think of conspiracies, I think that 198 00:14:50,919 --> 00:14:56,200 even though they could be unfolding in plain sight, I think that doesn't there 199 00:14:56,279 --> 00:15:01,879 have to be an ulterior motive, a can see yield agenda. Even if 200 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,600 what they're doing they're doing in plain sight, you're making up the definition that 201 00:15:07,679 --> 00:15:11,759 there is something more. Well, probably my my my criteria of what constitutes 202 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:20,279 a conspiracy theory is are kind of more exacting than you. Maybe maybe maybe 203 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,600 the thing is you've been totally agreeing with me all along, and the only 204 00:15:22,679 --> 00:15:26,039 reason you thought you were disagreeing with me you didn't understand what a conspiracy was 205 00:15:26,879 --> 00:15:31,279 because just because you didn't, because because I've noticed this coming cropping up quite 206 00:15:31,279 --> 00:15:33,440 a few times. You say, yeah, but what's the motivation? And 207 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,320 I don't think it's necessary to know what the motivation is in order to know 208 00:15:37,399 --> 00:15:41,000 that something is a conspiracy. I mean, like, for example, if 209 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:50,440 when Brutus and Cassius and the rest of the gang they all decide to to 210 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:56,120 kill Julius Caesar, regardless of what their motivation is, they're still killing Julius 211 00:15:56,159 --> 00:15:58,799 Caesar, and so so I don't think you need that definition of I think. 212 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:04,000 I think, I think I think you perhaps likely misunderstood. Why I 213 00:16:04,159 --> 00:16:10,399 do persist in asking you what you think the motivation of motivation is of the 214 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:17,480 people conspiring against us. It's not because I think that unless there is a 215 00:16:17,639 --> 00:16:25,600 kind of coherent motivation or an ulterior motive that's discernible, then it's not really 216 00:16:25,639 --> 00:16:30,759 a conspiracy theory. Rather, it's if you're going to persuade me that something 217 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,639 that's happened, such as you know, the pandemic, the rollout of the 218 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:40,279 vaccines, is the product of a conspiracy. As part of the case, 219 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,320 you need to make in order to persuade me. You don't need to. 220 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,600 It's not enough to kind of point to evidence that a conspiracy may have happened. 221 00:16:48,879 --> 00:16:52,080 You have to also, I think, to persuade me that this is 222 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:57,759 the best explanation of what's happened, more more convincing than a cock up theory. 223 00:16:59,159 --> 00:17:00,399 I don't want. I think you have to posit that there is some 224 00:17:00,559 --> 00:17:04,599 kind of motive here that that that's why these people have been doing this. 225 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:10,799 Kind of it's part of making the your your explanation more credible than my explanation. 226 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:15,799 But I don't want to suppose it's a defining characteristic of a conspiracy theory. 227 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:19,000 I would much rather um that that you you didn't believe there was a 228 00:17:19,039 --> 00:17:23,319 conspiracy, so that every week people could laugh at your your your delusions. 229 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:26,440 I mean, it would be a disaster for this, for this podcast. 230 00:17:26,519 --> 00:17:30,599 If if if suddenly you became James Dalling poland saw and saw the truth and 231 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,279 saw the light. I mean, I think it really helps me that I 232 00:17:34,559 --> 00:17:41,000 can see you sort of quickly absurd denial. Well when when for instance, 233 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:47,519 when I when I um, when I ask you about a particular conspiracy, 234 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:55,200 Let's say um, your your claim that dis are a hoax. Um. 235 00:17:56,759 --> 00:18:00,160 In order to persuade me of that, yeah, I think you need to 236 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,079 be able. You need to have a story to tell. Not you don't 237 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:07,960 just point to you know, discrepancies in the fossil records or you know, 238 00:18:07,319 --> 00:18:15,799 um, confessions of paleontologists, be very speaking evidence. You need to also 239 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,640 kind of I think, in order to persuade me, have an explanation for 240 00:18:18,799 --> 00:18:23,640 why this hoax was perpetrated on the public. What do the people who perpetrated 241 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,200 the hoax stand to gain from perpetrating it? And that's the part you always 242 00:18:27,279 --> 00:18:30,880 leave out. You will say I don't need to provide that. M No, 243 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,960 I don't. I don't know. Just still it reminds me a bit. 244 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,920 It's not very But if you don't, then you're going to have difficulty, 245 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:41,799 I think, persuading me and more neutral minded listeners that that's true, 246 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:47,359 that that true. I think I think in a way that that that your 247 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:51,920 insistence that one has to be able to im to psychoanalyze the people responsible with 248 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:55,319 this stuff. I think it's what I would call your cope. It's your 249 00:18:55,359 --> 00:19:00,160 way of it's your you realize that there's lots of evidence out there that strongly 250 00:19:00,319 --> 00:19:03,960 suggests that that I'm actually right, that there really are a number of conspiracy 251 00:19:04,039 --> 00:19:10,799 that essentially the whole world that we experience is a is a is a siop. 252 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:15,880 Everything we've been brought up to believe is basically a lie. And it's 253 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,440 your last defense. It's your it's your Ziegfried line, if you like, 254 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,480 with your dragon's teeth, it's it's that. Yeah, but it can't be 255 00:19:22,559 --> 00:19:26,359 real because I can't understand the motivation. Um My, my, my friend 256 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:36,279 Alexander Waugh, who who's made a brilliant case demonstrating that that Shakespeare, that 257 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:41,720 the the Man from Stratford was just another you know, kind of elizabeth and 258 00:19:41,799 --> 00:19:47,160 Jacobean psiop, that he was actually written by His works were written by a 259 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:52,519 scriptorium headed by Edward de vere of Oxford. And he's got it very very 260 00:19:52,279 --> 00:19:56,599 He's devoted hours of study to this and and his I think his case is 261 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:02,680 unanswerable, but whenever he presents all the evidence, all the kind of historical 262 00:20:02,759 --> 00:20:06,480 evidence and all the codes that lead lead towards him, because of course the 263 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:11,839 Elizabethans and the Jacobeans were fascinated with gamatria and codes and symbols and so on. 264 00:20:14,079 --> 00:20:17,000 He'll he'll make this case which is unanswerable. And somebody said, yeah, 265 00:20:17,039 --> 00:20:21,319 but why would why would the Earl of Oxford? Why would he if 266 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,480 he was so good, why would he? But he not, you know, 267 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,000 put his name onto the works. Well, why would he mask raiders? 268 00:20:27,039 --> 00:20:30,880 This this man from Stratford. And Alexander says, well, you can't 269 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:37,319 really psychoanalyze these people. You know that this happened four hundred years ago. 270 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,839 I cannot. I have my theories, but I cannot get into their minds. 271 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,799 I cannot present you with the definitive answer. And I think that's the 272 00:20:44,839 --> 00:20:51,000 same with with with all these conspirators, for example, dinosaurs. I would 273 00:20:51,039 --> 00:20:56,680 say that the dinosaurs were part of the in the same way as geology and 274 00:20:56,039 --> 00:21:00,759 Charles Lyle and his dating off the Earth was part of it was part of 275 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:07,599 the massive siop to persuade us that there was this this thing called evolution, 276 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:12,960 that the evolutionary theory was developed in the in the nineteenth century. I think 277 00:21:14,319 --> 00:21:18,079 Charles Darwin was a was a complete fraud. I think evel should I mean, 278 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,799 as he even admits in the origin of species. By the way, 279 00:21:21,799 --> 00:21:23,279 you should, You've got to read that book that was sent to you, 280 00:21:23,839 --> 00:21:27,079 to both of us um, because I still want to discuss it with you, 281 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:34,160 particularly the chapter on the elution the origin of species Um that the dinosaurs 282 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,440 thing was part of that, that sign up that the dinosaurs were not known 283 00:21:37,599 --> 00:21:41,960 until we're not named. I didn't think until the eighteen twenties, I think 284 00:21:41,079 --> 00:21:45,759 was the first use of the word. And so like what happened, what 285 00:21:47,079 --> 00:21:51,839 happened before the nineteenth century? Why were no dinosaur bones discovered? That James, 286 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:56,240 you've you've just more or less done what you claimed you didn't have to 287 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,559 do, and I had no right to ask you to do, which is 288 00:21:59,599 --> 00:22:06,279 to provide some kind of broad explanation involving motive for the dinosaur fraud. So 289 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,480 I can give hints of what what I think is what I think the motivation 290 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,039 was, and I think that they were they were sort of riding about the 291 00:22:14,079 --> 00:22:19,440 bandwagon, riding a gravy tech train, profiteering at the same time promoting a 292 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,880 dishonest theory about and I think for a number I think I think the I 293 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:29,799 think it comes down to Ockham's razor um. It's a question, well, 294 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:36,759 what what's the most likely explanation for you know, the fossil record, and 295 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:41,519 one explanation is that these creatures really did exist, and carbon dating to suggest 296 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,359 that the fossils are genuine, and so on and so forth. Now, 297 00:22:45,799 --> 00:22:52,440 I think in order to persuade people that your explanation is the simpler one, 298 00:22:52,039 --> 00:22:56,359 and for that reason we should accept it in preference to what I think that's 299 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:02,720 the most obvious explanation. You do need to have a story to tell about 300 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,759 why you think some of this evidence would have been faked. And unless you 301 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,119 do, and you have just done that, But unless you do, I 302 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:14,000 don't think you're going to meet Just do that so comes raised a standard. 303 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:15,519 Well, now you've done it, I think then the question is, well, 304 00:23:15,599 --> 00:23:23,039 if there has been this kind of conspiracy to perpetrate this hoax in order 305 00:23:23,079 --> 00:23:29,799 to ultimately discredit the theory of evolution and maybe restore people's faith in genesis, 306 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,279 why haven't the conspirators, Why haven't Why hasn't the Why hasn't any kind of 307 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:40,799 information about this conspiracy leaked? Why haven't Hang on a second, take a 308 00:23:40,839 --> 00:23:45,519 step back. You're not even familiar with the passage in Origin of Species where 309 00:23:45,559 --> 00:23:48,960 where Darwin expresses doubts about his own theory. I mean, if we if 310 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,799 we're gonna can you at least do your homework first, will come back to 311 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,440 evolution. We can talk about this. But rather than you thinking up new 312 00:23:56,519 --> 00:24:02,559 reasons why why the plethora of information I give you about the fraudulence of the 313 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,160 origin of species, you know you can't come up with some other new, 314 00:24:06,319 --> 00:24:10,200 crappy explanation as to why you don't believe it. We'll talk about it when 315 00:24:10,279 --> 00:24:11,559 you've read the chapter in that book, and then you can come back to 316 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:18,519 me and say what you find persuasive about Darwin himself saying that he could see 317 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,160 this massive flaw in his evolutionary theory. Otherwise there's no point discussing it. 318 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:27,079 It's silly, but but we would you sort of segued, You segued from 319 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:32,799 dinosaurs to the theory of evolution. Come on, James, let's part. 320 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:37,440 Let's part the theory of evolution for a moment. If you really believe that 321 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,640 that paleontologists are fraudsters trying to perpetrate a fraud on the British public or the 322 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:47,880 international public, why hasn't Why hasn't that, Why haven't why hasn't one of 323 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,640 them turned on another Why Why hasn't there been a leak? Why haven't Why 324 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:56,160 haven't Why hasn't Why haven't detectives determined that that these people are hoaxing us? 325 00:24:56,759 --> 00:25:03,839 We see this with us. The world is the world is deeply corrupt. 326 00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:07,279 I mean, look, we can we can give another example of this. 327 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,720 The world is absolutely corrupt people. People are corrupted by the what's the what's 328 00:25:11,759 --> 00:25:17,119 the the? Um? Uh? It is hard to hard persuade a man 329 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,920 to understand something when when when his income to spend depends on it's not understanding 330 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,720 it. I mean that that that's given throughout every profession, including including ours 331 00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:30,200 our trade. Um. Look, look, I can talk about this till 332 00:25:30,319 --> 00:25:33,039 till the cows come home, and I'm really happy to do so. But 333 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,200 I think that if we're going to do it, I think you owe me 334 00:25:37,319 --> 00:25:42,960 the courtesy of actually looking into the evidence for my conspiracy theories rather than just 335 00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:45,960 dismissing them glibly as well. Why would they do that? I don't think 336 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,559 it's enough. You've got to do a bit of homework. Otherwise it's just 337 00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:53,640 it's just silly. Because I have to do a homework into the fake Paul 338 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:59,319 McCartney conspiracy theory as well well. You can. You can. You're allowed 339 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,519 to make your you have to exercise, You're allowed to make clearly nonsense. 340 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:10,839 You can make your snarky little jokes about Paul McCartney, and I can ask 341 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:15,279 you to do a bit of homework before blithely dismissing stuff that you haven't loot 342 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,200 into just because you won't. All right, James, we should probably hear 343 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:23,680 from one of our sponsors. Think. Are you worried about parents or a 344 00:26:23,839 --> 00:26:29,200 loved one who are finding it more and more difficult to take care of themselves, 345 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,359 or who may be living with a condition such as dementia or Parkinson's? 346 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,799 Are you starting to think about a residential care home? 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Have 356 00:27:22,279 --> 00:27:26,839 you seen any of Tucker's monologues since he left Fox and moved on to Twitter. 357 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:32,160 I've seen snippets. They're really good. I mean, I don't I 358 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,799 don't necessarily agree with everything he's with everything, And I'm still not sure whether 359 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:41,039 Tucker himself is not a form of controlled opposition, but he's he's very fluent, 360 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,240 and he's and he's kind of on the money about a lot of things. 361 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,880 I think his first I think his first monologue got something like one hundred 362 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:53,720 and twenty million views, which is not bad i'd say for a political Yeah, 363 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:59,039 incredible, m Yeah, And I think, yeah, it's interesting. 364 00:27:59,079 --> 00:28:03,680 It'll be interesting to see whether Twitter becomes a rival to YouTube, which is 365 00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:11,000 clearly Elon Musk's agenda. And you can, i think, monetize the videos 366 00:28:11,079 --> 00:28:15,519 you put on Twitter, although I'm not quite sure how you do that, 367 00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:19,240 and I don't think um Tucker's started to do that yet. But I imagine 368 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:26,720 Tucker's plan is to first of all, find an audience and then find a 369 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:32,079 way to monetize their huge numbers of eyeballs. But yeah, it's it's it's 370 00:28:32,079 --> 00:28:37,319 an interesting model and something I've been thinking about what we're getting getting one hundred 371 00:28:37,319 --> 00:28:41,799 and twenty million viewers one but but putting, putting, putting, the putting, 372 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:49,359 using using Twitter to publish videos of free speech, union debates, talks, 373 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,880 book launchers, etc. Maybe as well as YouTube, or possibly instead 374 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,519 of YouTube. I mean, the great thing about Twitter, obviously is that 375 00:28:59,319 --> 00:29:03,720 it isn't sent in the same way that youtubeers. Well well so they so 376 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,920 they claim. I think probably shadow banning and stuff still does go on anyway. 377 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,920 But on the content of what Tucker said, I just thought I want 378 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,319 you to know whether how far you agree or disagree with what he was saying. 379 00:29:17,359 --> 00:29:19,240 So let me just give you a couple of examples of his of his 380 00:29:19,559 --> 00:29:25,960 his recent ones, one of them was was devoted to why it is that 381 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:33,279 he said, Trump's been arrested by by the US Deep State or whatever, 382 00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:36,680 and he's and they want to put him away. Why do they want to 383 00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:41,480 do this? And Tucker Tucker's theory is that it goes back to twenty sixteen. 384 00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:47,720 He plays the speech in twenty sixteen where where Trump broke the rule you 385 00:29:47,839 --> 00:29:52,000 can never break in US politics. Do you know what that was? Was 386 00:29:52,119 --> 00:29:59,680 he critical of NATO? Well sort of, yeah. He Tucker's theory is 387 00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:03,680 he called out the US military industrial complex. He said there was never any 388 00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:08,039 need for for the Gulf Wars, that it was there were never any weapons 389 00:30:08,079 --> 00:30:11,480 of mass destruction, that it was all that was all fake. And Tucker's 390 00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:17,640 point was, look, you can you can make all sorts of points about 391 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,799 in US politics. You can always you can talk about domestic politics and have 392 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:25,640 violent disagreements between the Republicans and the Democrats on the on the usual issues. 393 00:30:26,119 --> 00:30:30,599 But when it comes to war, Democrats and Republicans are united because basically that's 394 00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:33,960 how they get all their money. That's how they they extract the money from 395 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:38,759 the taxpayer. They they decided to invade a Rak or Afghanistan or whatever it's, 396 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:44,119 it's it's it's it's basically their business model. And by by calling out 397 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:51,079 this corrupt system, which which yeah, that that that Trump signed his death 398 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:56,119 warranted, essentially you're with me or not? Um? No, Um, 399 00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,960 that sounds pretty full fetched. Um. And I So you don't Iraq, 400 00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:06,880 Iraq and Afghanistan. You think the war on terror was started off by, 401 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,039 of course, the false flag attack of nine to eleven. You think that 402 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,440 it was a genuine thing, that there worthy these terrible men with turbans and 403 00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:17,359 head scarfs, and no, no, no, no, I reject, 404 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,240 and we had to go to war with them. Park all that, James, 405 00:31:19,319 --> 00:31:26,119 Now, I reject the premise that the reason Trump lost the election in 406 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:33,720 twenty twenty and has been indicted of various federal crimes. I reject the premise 407 00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:37,720 that that is that he's been the victim of a conspiracy organized at the behest 408 00:31:37,759 --> 00:31:41,839 of the military industrial complex. The reason Trump has been brought low is almost 409 00:31:42,079 --> 00:31:48,279 entirely due to his own shortcomings. In the case of the current indictments, 410 00:31:51,599 --> 00:31:56,640 he made it. He really put the Department of Justice in an impossible position. 411 00:31:57,119 --> 00:32:06,519 They gave him every opportunity to resolve this um, and he's simply arrogantly 412 00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:12,359 ignored their invitations to talk about it, to cooperate with them, to return 413 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,559 these documents. Instead, he just, you know, assumed that he was 414 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:20,519 above the law. So he gave him no choice, no choice but to 415 00:32:20,599 --> 00:32:24,920 prosecute him. James, You've brought into Trump's own victim narrative that he is 416 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,319 his own grievance, maggring, I'm the victim of a conspiracy. No, 417 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:35,200 he's not. He's he's he's he's he's the victim of his own shortcomings, 418 00:32:35,319 --> 00:32:37,079 of his character. James, So you think, so, you think, 419 00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:42,119 what so Trump should go down for having a few a few? Do you 420 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,160 know how many classified documents there are in the American system? You think you 421 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:50,880 think that the world, world peace was jeopardized by by by Trump taking home 422 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,640 a few, a few bits of paperwork. I think no, I don't 423 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,839 think he should go to jail. Do you not think the charges are trumped 424 00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,359 up? I mean, just silly, I think, I think. I 425 00:32:59,359 --> 00:33:04,200 don't think the trumped up though. I think he was given every opportunity to 426 00:33:04,599 --> 00:33:10,319 avoid this blowing up in that's done, but he just arrogantly ignored those squandered 427 00:33:10,359 --> 00:33:15,279 those opportunities. And so now he finds himself and the picking arrogance is a 428 00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:16,880 is a prisonable offense. It's not. But it's not, it's not. 429 00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:21,000 He's not, He's not the victim of a conspiracy, James's he's just a 430 00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:25,359 you know, he's just an idiot. So its suppose suppose suppose I can't 431 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,400 imagine that it would be likely. But suppose anything you said or did was 432 00:33:29,599 --> 00:33:32,759 was deemed to be threatening to the government, and the government decided to to 433 00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:40,519 prosecute you because you you hadn't I don't know, UM paid your your TV 434 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:45,160 license and you just thought sob this. They're they're picking on me because I'm 435 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,680 such an outspoken freedom fighter. I'm not going to play their game. They 436 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:52,119 can just I'm not going to pay my TV license and you and so your 437 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:57,400 line on that would be, well, I deserve to go to prison for 438 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,480 this because I was given every opportunity to to pay my TV license and I 439 00:34:01,559 --> 00:34:06,400 didn't. Because no, that's silly. If the charge is being brought against 440 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,480 them, frivolous, why should he take them seriously? To use your analogy, 441 00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:15,159 James, what you're suggesting would be like me, me being given ample 442 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:22,119 opportunities to pay my TV license. Yeah, and only after persistently refusing, 443 00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:27,639 even after it had been made clear to me that I might be fined a 444 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,719 thousand pounds if I'm found guilty of not paying the TV license. If if 445 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:37,760 after persistently refusing, after it being made crystal clear that there was a very 446 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,519 simple way to get out of this name me to pay my TV license. 447 00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:45,599 If I was then prosecuted and given a fine, it would be my Let 448 00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:47,519 me tell you around, the only reason I'm being fine for not paying my 449 00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:52,960 TV license is because I criticized the government five years ago or in twenty sixteen. 450 00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:57,239 That would be ludicrous. I don't think anyone goes to prison for not 451 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,639 paying their TV lives. No, I think you're you're my point. I'm 452 00:35:00,639 --> 00:35:06,679 saying that that that that this is just a vinal vinal slip that he's been 453 00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:09,960 there. They're indicting him for that. They're they're putting him for they're breaking 454 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,199 a buffly on a wheel. They've just just just picked any old thing that 455 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,440 they can get him on. And it's a joke. And I don't blame 456 00:35:16,519 --> 00:35:19,639 him. I mean, I'm not even I'm not even a Trump fan. 457 00:35:19,679 --> 00:35:22,800 I think he's possibly the Antichrist. But but but but but given that given 458 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:29,400 that, yeah, I mean, just on its own terms, I don't 459 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:35,440 really understand why you think it's acceptable for the president of the U of the 460 00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:42,079 USA to be senile, incontinent, and in the pay of the communist Chinese 461 00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:45,639 with with with with who said that, I don't think that's acceptable at all 462 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,880 that that well, well you you you seem to give him cover. You 463 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,519 don't. I never hear, I never hear having go at Biden. You 464 00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:53,159 may get a choice, a little binary there, James, who is after 465 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:58,519 who is after all the presidents of the USA. But but let me speak. 466 00:35:58,559 --> 00:36:01,880 The choice you're giving me is either I think Trump is the victim of 467 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:08,320 a conspiracy because he criticized the industrial that the military industrial complex in twenty sixteen, 468 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:13,360 or I'm a Biden supporter and there's no middle ground. Is that really 469 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,280 how you view this? If you don't believe in the conspiracy theory about Trump, 470 00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:20,119 then you must be a Biden supporter. Well, what I'm what I'm 471 00:36:20,159 --> 00:36:23,960 saying is that you're remarkably complacent about the myriad, very very serious crimes which 472 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:29,840 are being committed by by the Biden administration, and yet you are happy for 473 00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:36,000 Trump to to go down for the crime of bringing hope, of having a 474 00:36:36,119 --> 00:36:42,719 few memos in his possession which have got every other document in Washington is stamped 475 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,280 secret. Well, you're taking these charges seriously. That's what I don't get. 476 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:52,239 You seem to be You buy in to the establishment narrative so much it 477 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,960 makes me wonder what your what your motivation when you say taking them seriously, 478 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,199 it's not clear. It's not clear what you mean, James. Do you 479 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,960 mean do I think the charges are trumped up? The evidence has been faked 480 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,840 because he is the victim of a conspiracy involving the Justice Department and god knows 481 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:14,320 who else. Then then the answer is no, I do I think the 482 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:21,280 charges are silly and shouldn't result in him going to jail? Then the answers, 483 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,440 yes, but that but given that he should have dealt with them at 484 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:30,440 an earlier stage and not put the Justice Department in such a difficult position that 485 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:35,000 they really have no choice but to indict him. Whatever the official narrative is, 486 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,360 regardless of how absurd, you will buy it. You will accept it. 487 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,679 You'll never you'll never critique it, whatever, whatever it is, any 488 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:46,119 any given subject. That's your position. You are mister overson window. You 489 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,760 will not stray beyond ever. I know that's just simply not true, James. 490 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,079 It's a false It's a false binary. Either you believe Paul McCartney died 491 00:37:54,119 --> 00:37:58,880 in nineteen sixty six the moon landings were fake dinosaurs or a hoax. The 492 00:37:59,039 --> 00:38:02,639 pandemic was planned and that the vaccines are intended to kill us. I mean, 493 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:08,159 either you believe in all every single conspiracy theory promoted by the Light or 494 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:13,159 or you're in the Overton window. You're a studge. You're an establishment stude. 495 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,400 Every every every week I try and find areas where every Isn't there a 496 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:21,599 middle ground? James, can't be can't it be skeptical about some things, 497 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,920 just not everything. Well, that's that would be great. Times tell you 498 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,079 what you're skeptical about. I'm loving us because I tell you what I tell 499 00:38:29,079 --> 00:38:31,159 you an not skeptical about at all. You run a site called the Daily 500 00:38:31,199 --> 00:38:35,800 Skeptic, And yet I turned to the day, as I always do, 501 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,639 of course, eagerly to see what the latest article was, and I found 502 00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:46,320 this bizarre piece by your your pet Zelensky fan Ian rowns. He's not my 503 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:52,599 pets Zelenski fan. He created the website explaining why, explaining explaining why, 504 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:59,559 bizarrely it was it was actually the Against all evidence, it was the Russians 505 00:38:59,639 --> 00:39:02,960 what blew up the dam. Against the evidence that the Russians blew up that 506 00:39:04,119 --> 00:39:07,480 dam is absolutely overwhelming. James didn't think it was the Ukrainians. Then I'm 507 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,159 afraid you really have to go down a rabbit. Okay, So so what 508 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:15,199 was interesting about I was going to ask you about this that you would I 509 00:39:15,519 --> 00:39:19,000 read I read that you put posted a link to the article on Twitter, 510 00:39:19,159 --> 00:39:22,760 and I would say that ninety nine point nine percent of the comments and you 511 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:27,599 were against you, saying things like this is so awful, this is so 512 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,320 wrong that I am thinking of canceling my subscription to The Daily Skeptic. What 513 00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:35,840 is this man talking about? It's absolute drivel, you know, I mean 514 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,440 you were completely ratioed. Now, whether these people were right or wrong wrong, 515 00:39:39,559 --> 00:39:43,760 you know, you can argue, but does it not puzzle you? 516 00:39:44,559 --> 00:39:46,920 What do you think the motivation of these people is, these these these skeptical 517 00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:51,920 people. Why do you think that you are completely the opposite side of them 518 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,880 on the subject of Russia Ukraine? Didn't they just they're all crazies or they're 519 00:39:54,920 --> 00:40:00,880 all they're all gold by by Kremlin propaganda? Why this divine? Well, 520 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,880 that's an interesting question, James. I think that I think it is a 521 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:12,159 schism within the kind of community that grew up around lockdown skeptics. And I 522 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:21,880 think I think lots of people because they rightly questioned the official narrative around the 523 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:29,639 lockdowns became very suspicious of all official narratives. So they've therefore added two and 524 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:36,000 two and made five and assumed that if the official narrative is that the Russians 525 00:40:36,159 --> 00:40:39,400 blew up the dam, it therefore must be false because the official narrative has 526 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:44,440 been false in the past. But that's flawed reasoning. It might be that 527 00:40:44,559 --> 00:40:49,119 even though the official narrative was wrong on a previous occasion, it doesn't make 528 00:40:49,679 --> 00:40:54,320 the establishment consensus view always wrong. It doesn't mean the opposite of that view 529 00:40:54,559 --> 00:41:00,559 is always true. That's a kind of that's that's one possibility flawed n James, 530 00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:02,320 and I do think that the evidence, I mean, just to take 531 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:07,719 that that particular question, that particular issue. That dam was built to withstand 532 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:14,800 not just a tsunami but a nuclear attack. It would have been almost impossible, 533 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:21,599 if not impossible, to destroy it with externally launched missiles from you know, 534 00:41:22,159 --> 00:41:25,920 aircraft or helicopters flying past, or from missile sites far away. It 535 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:32,760 would have withstood megatonnage of explosives. The only way it could have been destroyed 536 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:38,719 would have been by placing dams in particular strategic fault lines within the dams. 537 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:44,199 So when these Soviets constructed these dams, they built these kind of fail safe 538 00:41:45,519 --> 00:41:52,280 chambers within the structures so they could be blown up sabotage by the Soviets if 539 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,559 there was a kind of military reason for doing so, and that's clearly what's 540 00:41:54,559 --> 00:42:00,599 happened on this occasion. There's no evidence at all that it was the Ukrainians. 541 00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:02,880 And even if they had the capacity, which they don't, they wouldn't 542 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:07,239 have been able to do it. You know. And ian Ian ROMs, 543 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:14,039 who isn't my pet, He's the guy that created the Lockdown Skeptics now the 544 00:42:14,119 --> 00:42:20,039 Daily Skeptic website. He has immersed himself in this particular subject. He knows 545 00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:27,039 a great deal about weaponry, explosives, etc. And he I think made 546 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:32,079 an absolutely unanswerable case that it was the Russians. And that case has now 547 00:42:32,199 --> 00:42:37,199 been reiterated by the New York Times in a very well researched, detailed piece 548 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,559 that was published by the New York Times. But yeah, you think because 549 00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:45,119 it's in the New York Times, is it's therefore false that trustworthy newspaper. 550 00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:47,159 I'm not saying take it on trust because it's been in the New York Times. 551 00:42:47,199 --> 00:42:50,480 But it's not false just because it's been in the New York Times. 552 00:42:50,519 --> 00:42:52,920 Now, I'm not saying that, I'm just saying it's quite interesting hearing you 553 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,760 cite the New York Times as a kind of to bolster your case. Look 554 00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:02,360 look at the evidence that the New York Times marshals to support its theory that 555 00:43:02,519 --> 00:43:07,320 it was it was an act of sabotage by the Russians. And in due 556 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,519 course, I'm sure, I'm sure we'll establish that, you know, definitively, 557 00:43:09,639 --> 00:43:15,320 there'll be a document or a confession by a Russian commander. So if 558 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:16,679 you want to pick on that, James, as an example of me being 559 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:22,639 credulous when it comes to the official narrative, I think you pick you picked 560 00:43:22,639 --> 00:43:25,039 a bad one. Try. I think it's very very touching that you have 561 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:32,599 such tremendous faith, unquestioning faith in the expertise of your your colleague. But 562 00:43:32,639 --> 00:43:37,320 why do you read his peace and say I did. I occasionally like it 563 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:42,719 like a good laugh. But listen, how do you how do you do 564 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,239 your argument that it's built to withstand a nuclear attack but it was destroyed by 565 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:52,199 the Ukrainians. How do you how do you deal with let's see your response. 566 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:53,960 I think that's wrong. I think the Ukrainians did it. How did 567 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,079 the Ukrainians do it? Why do you think the Ukrainians did it? I 568 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,559 haven't. You don't know anything about it, do you, James? You 569 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,519 just think it must be If it's the official narrative, it must be wrong. 570 00:44:05,639 --> 00:44:12,159 James. I'm more curious as to you're prepared to put all your all 571 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,800 your money or piling it high on on on one particular number on the roulette 572 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:21,519 table, which is Ian Ronz's credibility, and you are happy to im I 573 00:44:21,639 --> 00:44:24,639 not know, James, James, James, I'm not making the fallacy of 574 00:44:24,679 --> 00:44:30,599 appealing to his authority or to his expertise. No, the reason the reason 575 00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:35,760 I found it persuasive is because the evidence he presents, the evidence he presented 576 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:42,840 that it was evidence. James, you recited, you recited, you recited 577 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:47,679 a version of of in in Ron's is very dogmatic, dogmatically stated piece. 578 00:44:49,159 --> 00:44:52,760 You didn't present any of that, no doubt about it, and said that 579 00:44:53,519 --> 00:44:58,800 curious design. James, you just must you must have misheard me. I 580 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,280 did, I did. I did try summarize the argument which I think is 581 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:06,760 very persuasive, which is that it would have simply telling me to destroy the 582 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:13,000 damn other than by placing a box structure to Ukrainians didn't have the capacity to 583 00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:15,960 do that. The other week you told me that you were equally persuaded by 584 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:21,800 the argument that these these aeroplanes brought down the twin towers and that that jet 585 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,039 fuel can melt steel girders. No. I mean, it's a point of 586 00:45:25,159 --> 00:45:30,199 view, but it doesn't strike me as as as the thinking of somebody who's 587 00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:35,440 actually help me with something. Help me. Why you have to believe in 588 00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:38,639 every single conspiracy theory, including now that nine to eleven was. I think 589 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:43,000 it's very it's very important. Why every single one, James, If you 590 00:45:43,039 --> 00:45:46,079 want to persuade people of a single conspiracy, don't say I believe in every 591 00:45:46,119 --> 00:45:50,239 single one. I've never met a conspiracy of theoria I didn't like. Why 592 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,960 so many, James, Why do you have to embrace all of them? 593 00:45:52,159 --> 00:45:55,039 There must be at least one you reject? This is this is this is 594 00:45:55,039 --> 00:46:01,599 yours that you believed that. It's either that you believe in too many conspiracy 595 00:46:01,679 --> 00:46:06,639 theories, therefore you're wrong, or it's that you've gone mad. And that's 596 00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:10,480 fine. Tops as I say it, suits me much better that every every 597 00:46:10,559 --> 00:46:15,960 week that you go out there and as the world goes to goes to helen 598 00:46:15,039 --> 00:46:17,760 a handcart, you're sitting there going, yeah, but it's all a cock 599 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:22,719 up. It's it's not orchestrated, it's not planned. Trust me, it's 600 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,519 all going to be okay. If only we vote in the next the next 601 00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:28,920 conservative person, maybe it's going to be kemmy bad knocked or whatever. It 602 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,679 ain't going to happen, because these people are just just puppets. That's my 603 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:38,360 problem. I find increasingly your complacency, or your your unwillingness to engage with 604 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,840 the possibility that all the stuff is planned is a bit frustrating. It's a 605 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,199 bit annoying because every week it gets things get worse and worse. So why 606 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:49,199 do I care so much about a Ukraine Russia, for example, Because I 607 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:55,079 can see so much. I look at the mendacious medium. I read articles 608 00:46:55,239 --> 00:47:04,960 by by the various sort of conservative commentators at al urging us to get hotter 609 00:47:05,039 --> 00:47:07,599 and hotter each week for war over this country, which is not even a 610 00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:14,000 kind of sovereign nation. It's just a basically, it's a money laundering cess 611 00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:16,639 pit, and we're being we're sending. Every week in the newspapers, I 612 00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:23,599 read about how we're sending more and more materiel and secretly men to go and 613 00:47:24,039 --> 00:47:30,079 bellured into this proxy war with Russia. And I'm getting concerned that we are 614 00:47:30,199 --> 00:47:34,159 not asking hard questions about it. And I mean, how are your sons, 615 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,079 your your son's going to be then? They can't be far off the 616 00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:40,079 age where they could get called up. And I wonder how you would feel 617 00:47:40,119 --> 00:47:45,079 about it, whether you would feel there were sufficient cassis belly for us to 618 00:47:45,159 --> 00:47:49,840 go to war with with with Russia and to send your sons and my sons 619 00:47:50,119 --> 00:47:53,639 to fight over Ukraine. Because I don't think so at all. I think 620 00:47:53,679 --> 00:47:57,800 there is that it's an absolute no. Now. I find that there's no 621 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,280 moral case, and I don't like the way that is being pushed. I 622 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:05,840 don't like the way that we are seeing blue and yellow flags in every every 623 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:10,360 village and flying from every other other flagpole on churches all over the country. 624 00:48:10,599 --> 00:48:15,159 I think it is utterly and moral despicable, and is besidesly this war machine 625 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:22,599 that you find you find the flying of Ukrainian flags utterly immoral underspic I think 626 00:48:22,679 --> 00:48:30,639 nothing to say about Putin's invasion of what is a sovereign nation. Stop just 627 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:35,320 repeating Kremlin talking points. It's not a money laundering. But you don't find 628 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,800 you don't find it. You can't find it within your moral compass to condemn 629 00:48:40,519 --> 00:48:49,559 the invasion of another country by Putin. The wilthful murder of women and children 630 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:57,360 by Putin's armed forces using rape as an instrument of war, The torture, 631 00:48:57,559 --> 00:49:01,760 the regular torture of prisoners of war as well as innocent civilians, the fact 632 00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:08,599 that soldiers are released castrated when territories are retaken by the Ukrainians. I mean, 633 00:49:09,159 --> 00:49:14,239 none of that you find nearly as morally despicable as a town hall flying 634 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,079 a Ukrainian flag. It's like you've gone. That does make me think that 635 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,960 something's happened to you. You're now shroud waving Toby. I mean, we 636 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:27,119 know that that terrible things happen on both sides in this war. That's that's 637 00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,400 given. What I was asking you is, do you think do you think 638 00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:32,639 that this is a war that would you be happy for your sons to go 639 00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,880 and fight a war with Russia Third World War or not? Do you think 640 00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:40,000 do you think there is sufficient cassa spelly because this is where we're headed. 641 00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:44,320 Because I don't think it is where we're headed. I mean, you always 642 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,280 posit these do you think that it's all planned and it's in a particular direction, 643 00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,159 and then when it doesn't end up in that direction, you say, 644 00:49:50,519 --> 00:49:54,519 you come up with some ludicrous reason why to try and preserve your conspiracy theory. 645 00:49:54,760 --> 00:50:01,199 I think it's very unlikely that British nationals will be conscripted to fight in 646 00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:07,320 the Russian Ukrainian War, but certainly I would encourage if if my sons, 647 00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:14,000 if my sons were interested, I would certainly encourage them to go to Ukraine 648 00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,760 and help out in any way they can, whether by driving ambulances or delivering 649 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:23,199 food, or trying to trying to provide shelter to people who've been whose houses, 650 00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:28,199 whose homes have been destroyed by Russian missiles. Yeah, i'd see, 651 00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:32,000 I think, I mean, yeah, they might be risking their lives fanned 652 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:37,360 out. Recently, his son has gone to Ukraine to help a charity that 653 00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:43,400 delivers pizza to people in conflict zone, people who've lost their homes, and 654 00:50:43,599 --> 00:50:45,199 I felt, I felt, God, you know, I wish I could 655 00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:49,719 persuade my sons to do that. That's that's fantastic. But you draw the 656 00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,719 line that you wouldn't feel happy if there were a Third World War, you 657 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,280 wouldn't feel I don't know there's going to be a Third World War, James. 658 00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,519 I think you know. And if there has, if third World hasn't 659 00:50:57,519 --> 00:50:59,719 broken out in a year, will you accept that you've got this one wrong. 660 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:04,840 We start the clock nineteenth of June twenty twenty three. So if if 661 00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,679 the Third World War hasn't broken out by the eighteenth, twenty twenty four, 662 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:12,079 will you accept you're wrong about all these all these things, that all these 663 00:51:12,199 --> 00:51:17,800 things are our contingent. I think that what we're seeing now is a lot 664 00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:22,639 of warm mundering. Look, we know, for example that you say the 665 00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,320 West is for war, James. If the West didn't start this war, 666 00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:30,559 it was started by Pootin. No, That's what the yes in details I 667 00:51:30,039 --> 00:51:37,000 recognize is the mainstream media. Who's now an invention of the mainstream media. 668 00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:43,280 I realized I see this, I see these stories being told in the papers 669 00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:47,400 every day, Russian troops b and then James, I realized that you would 670 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:51,119 not get away with it. You know, you don't want to step out 671 00:51:51,159 --> 00:51:53,280 of line but nevertheless that our alternative possible. It's because I don't want to 672 00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,599 step out of line. It is because I'm I think is the right thing 673 00:51:55,639 --> 00:51:59,920 to do. Stop attributing these stupid motives to me. Everything. I don't 674 00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:01,039 like his hitlok. If you want, James, you can go back, 675 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:06,920 say James, Kremlin propaganda, if you if you keep attributing these ludicrous, 676 00:52:07,039 --> 00:52:09,039 bad faith motives to me, Let's go back to saying, maybe the reason 677 00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:15,519 you promote all these absolutely ludicrous conspiracy theories and not just one, but dozens 678 00:52:15,559 --> 00:52:20,119 and dozens and dozens, it's because you're financially dependent on other crackpots who believe 679 00:52:20,199 --> 00:52:23,280 these things and trending you money and paying you seventy five pounds to be photographed 680 00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:28,079 with you. Let's go back to let's accusing you of having bad faith and 681 00:52:28,199 --> 00:52:31,199 you of doing this self interested careeristic motives. That's how much did you believe 682 00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:35,239 it? I do you the credit, James, of actually believing you believe 683 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,360 all this absolute how much do me the credit of attributing good faith to me? 684 00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:43,920 Not thinking saying just because I want to save my career, I don't 685 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,880 want to be disapproved of by my dinner party companions. I am perfectly. 686 00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,559 I'm absolutely if you want, if you want to believe that I am paid 687 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:55,880 per conspiracy and that my market value increases when I embrace more, I'm happy 688 00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,960 for you to believe that it just doesn't work on any logical level. However, 689 00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:05,760 that I am afraid it does work to me, whether subconsciously is yeah. 690 00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:07,960 Yeah. But look at look at the money available to people that pushing 691 00:53:08,039 --> 00:53:13,159 the for example, look at the look at the money available to people who 692 00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,840 work for the various military think tanks. Well, there was far more money 693 00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:20,119 for the war machine than there is for the anti war machine. Where's the 694 00:53:20,159 --> 00:53:22,920 anti war anti war money coming from? Anyway, James, we better hit 695 00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,639 from one of our sponsors and then move on to culture chorus. So we're 696 00:53:25,639 --> 00:53:30,159 going around in circles on this all day. So this is a message from 697 00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:35,199 Express VPN. Let me ask you something. What if there was someone out 698 00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,719 there who kept a log of every single thing you did, every minute of 699 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:42,639 the day. I think that would be pretty creepy. 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And it's 726 00:55:44,119 --> 00:55:47,400 really it's really very entertaining, very funny, very well put together and exactly 727 00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:52,679 I think exactly what you and me and our listeners have been crying out for. 728 00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,639 It's like an aggregate. It it's like the kind of anti woke version 729 00:55:55,679 --> 00:56:00,559 of Rotten Tomatoes. It essentially tells you whether a new TV sor is a 730 00:56:00,639 --> 00:56:06,119 new movie is worth watching, or whether it's just irredeemable words. That is 731 00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:10,280 so good. I suppose the proof of the pudding will be in the well. 732 00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,920 Okay, so I tested it, James that the guy who pulls this 733 00:56:15,039 --> 00:56:21,039 together is a Christian Conservative. Highly recommended The Covenant. Guy Richie's latest movie, 734 00:56:21,119 --> 00:56:25,079 which has just come out, Afghanistan, said in Afghanistan. So it's 735 00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:38,480 about an American soldier who is essentially rescued by his Afghani interpreter and then does 736 00:56:38,679 --> 00:56:45,280 his best to secure a visa for that interpreter and his family so they can 737 00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:50,000 find safe haven in the United States. And the kind of broader, kind 738 00:56:50,039 --> 00:56:55,079 of polemical point the film is making is that when Written and America withdrew from 739 00:56:55,199 --> 00:57:00,639 Afghanistan, they left thousands of Afghan interpreters and their families behind, and they're 740 00:57:00,679 --> 00:57:05,679 now in mortal danger because the Taliban have retaken control, and we had a 741 00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:10,840 moral obligation to discharge our duty to them to look after them and bring and 742 00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:15,159 issue them with visa so they can come to the United Kingdom, come to 743 00:57:15,199 --> 00:57:19,039 the United States anyway. So it's very good. It's actually very good. 744 00:57:19,079 --> 00:57:23,119 I thought it was was excellent and would highly recommend it, right, Okay, 745 00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:28,440 well, I look, I thank you drawn to my attention. Worth 746 00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,639 it a work? Yeah, I think that's a good one. And they 747 00:57:30,679 --> 00:57:35,719 didn't even need to advertise for the worth or work dot com. Um have 748 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,199 you seen I don't think I talked about starswik Did I talk about the Tour 749 00:57:38,239 --> 00:57:42,840 de France thing? Oh? The documentary about the Tour de France. Yeah 750 00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,960 you mentioned it? Yeah, you like those sporting documents. Got it more 751 00:57:46,239 --> 00:57:52,320 because I was thinking the thing about the Tour de France, apart from the 752 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:57,920 scenery, which is great, so I'd say it's it's as good as f 753 00:57:58,079 --> 00:58:01,559 one drive to survive, but in a different Obviously. The thing is what 754 00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:07,480 I like about um cycle racing, even though obviously I can't bear lycra and 755 00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:13,360 all, you know, bicycles for people who aren't brain enough to ride a 756 00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,400 horse. You shouldn't have used the word LCD. Now. Now, our 757 00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:22,480 Emmy winning producer Brian will you will mock up a picture of each of us 758 00:58:22,599 --> 00:58:27,280 in LCRA to uses the picture on Ricochet for this He's bound too unless he 759 00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,039 does one of you and Likera and being my hunt coat. That would be 760 00:58:30,199 --> 00:58:35,079 that would be acceptable the other way around. But anyway, but but the 761 00:58:35,559 --> 00:58:40,119 um, you and you and I could become Tour de France winners, couldn't 762 00:58:40,119 --> 00:58:43,440 we. I mean we're getting on a bit now, But the point is 763 00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,440 anyone could do it. I always feel like there's no way I could ever 764 00:58:46,519 --> 00:58:52,440 have been a professional KICKI baller. I don't have the hand eye coordination. 765 00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:59,039 I'm not you know, I can't. I can't even gob properly. I'd 766 00:58:59,039 --> 00:59:05,000 be useless at kababing whatever they're called, you know, the wags and stuff. 767 00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:09,320 But I think bit roasting. I just wouldn't have it in me. 768 00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:15,960 But I reckon that with a bit of training on a bicycle, one could 769 00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:21,760 soon become the king of the mountains. That that it's it's it's a sort 770 00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:25,199 of every man's sport, isn't it. Well, it's more of an every 771 00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:31,559 man's sport than football in that I think you can obtain a certain level of 772 00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:40,679 proficiency in cycling, regardless of you know what physical specimen you are, then 773 00:59:40,719 --> 00:59:44,360 you can playing football. I think that's true, But I didn't think that. 774 00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,079 I don't think that you or I, if we just dedicated enough time 775 00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:51,119 to it, could have competed in the Tour de France. Well, it's 776 00:59:51,159 --> 00:59:57,440 certainly true that grind. Um what's it called gront Evans who won the tour? 777 00:59:57,559 --> 01:00:00,679 I rather like the cut of his jib. I think it's I have 778 01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:04,559 to check. I don't know. He was a he was a Welshman and 779 01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,320 and he won the Tour de France, and he in this episode he comes 780 01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:14,440 back for his final shot and I think he's in his mid to late forties 781 01:00:15,199 --> 01:00:21,199 and he he comes thir. I think, so, okay, sorry, 782 01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:27,119 grind grind Thomas. He's got these he's got these nice sideburns. I like 783 01:00:27,239 --> 01:00:29,800 the look of looking. I don't know. No, he's actually young. 784 01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:31,360 He's quite a bit younger than he's only thirty seven now, and he's already 785 01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:36,840 too old. You can only hope to get third when you're thirty seven. 786 01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,639 Um, but um, I kind of like the look of them. They 787 01:00:40,679 --> 01:00:45,000 look a bit like me. They're all Gault with his long sort of horsey 788 01:00:45,039 --> 01:00:47,599 faces, and they've got they haven't got a scrap of fat on them, 789 01:00:49,239 --> 01:00:51,519 And I look at them, I think, yeah, you're my people. 790 01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:53,679 Almost apart from the fact that you wear the horrible like run you one bicycles. 791 01:00:53,719 --> 01:00:58,519 They don't like all right, Okay, well, um, maybe i'll 792 01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:02,639 check that it's it's very gripping. I took a step, James. Middle 793 01:01:02,639 --> 01:01:07,840 of last week, I decided to subscribe to another streaming platform. I'm now 794 01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:13,719 subscriber to Netflix, to Amazon Prime and Apple TV and Now Tv. And 795 01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:20,800 yet I took the step, and I've subscribed to a fifth streaming Paramount Plus. 796 01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:25,280 And yeah, actually actually is a it's a treasure trove of fantastic material. 797 01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:29,320 Taylor Sheridan, who I'm a big fan of, seems to have done 798 01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,760 a kind of, um, you know, a deal with Paramount Plus whereby 799 01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,280 you know, Yellowstone and all the derivatives of Years and all the spinoffs are 800 01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:42,239 now on Paramount Plus. But also the Tulsa King, which is another Taylor 801 01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:45,159 Sheridan series. I remember you talking about that a few months ago and you 802 01:01:45,199 --> 01:01:47,000 said it was not bad. Anyway, I've started watching The Tulsa King. 803 01:01:47,039 --> 01:01:52,199 I'm really enjoying it. I mean, it's actually much much better than the 804 01:01:52,519 --> 01:01:58,599 Schwartzerga series. Oh that's that's that's a that's a high bar you've set, 805 01:01:58,639 --> 01:02:00,559 it, isn't it. I mean that well, you know, I bet 806 01:02:00,639 --> 01:02:05,039 I guess in the eighties I was a bigger fan of Schwartzenegger than I was 807 01:02:05,239 --> 01:02:08,239 of Stallone. I thought Stallone was kind of too earnest, too kind of 808 01:02:08,519 --> 01:02:12,400 it was something something a bit gormless, and he was only sort of one 809 01:02:12,599 --> 01:02:17,960 rung above John Claude van dem Buttenega was had a certain self awareness. He 810 01:02:19,039 --> 01:02:22,559 was ironic, He made better choices. His movies were better. But actually 811 01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:27,280 the TV series The Tulsa King is a lot better than than Food Bath. 812 01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:34,880 Do you know how with Tulsa seems a nice place. It's it's it's Christian, 813 01:02:35,159 --> 01:02:37,920 and it's got horses, and they're really into their horses and their God. 814 01:02:38,599 --> 01:02:46,079 And then along comes Stallone and he's mafiosi and he wants to turn the 815 01:02:46,159 --> 01:02:52,119 town in the city into every other kind of venal, devilish hellhole. I 816 01:02:52,199 --> 01:02:55,480 don't that's my moral problem with it. I don't see how one can root 817 01:02:55,559 --> 01:03:00,480 for a character who wants to corrupt somewhere which is nice. Yes, well, 818 01:03:00,519 --> 01:03:07,480 I'm only into I've only seen two episodes, but already he does seem 819 01:03:07,519 --> 01:03:13,599 to be experiencing some regret that he's chosen a life of crime. And I 820 01:03:13,679 --> 01:03:17,559 think even in the first episode he says, you know, doing twenty five 821 01:03:17,679 --> 01:03:23,639 years in jail because you're not willing to give up the names of your bosses 822 01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:28,639 in the Cosa nostra is part of the price of doing business. This is 823 01:03:28,719 --> 01:03:31,679 the this is this is the business we're in. Um and I'm an honorable 824 01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:36,000 man. But was it worth it? He asked himself, you know, 825 01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,159 should I have become a barber like my dad? You betcha? It wasn't 826 01:03:39,159 --> 01:03:43,239 worth it? Um And that that's a kind of running theme. There's a 827 01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:47,000 theme of regret about the life choices he's made, the relationships he's damaged, 828 01:03:47,119 --> 01:03:51,119 you know, with his wife and his daughter, etc. So I don't 829 01:03:51,159 --> 01:03:54,480 think it's sort of it doesn't seem to be a straightforward endorsement of okay, 830 01:03:55,000 --> 01:04:00,599 you know, the life, as they call it. But one of the 831 01:04:00,639 --> 01:04:02,760 reasons it's so much better than food Bar is is In Foo Bar, Short 832 01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:09,800 Senegga plays a kind of retiring CIA agent who's this kind of incredible man of 833 01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:13,519 action age. I think he's sort of supposed to be sixty five in reality. 834 01:04:13,519 --> 01:04:15,760 I think Short snegg is a lot of them in the series supposed to 835 01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,880 be sixty five, and it's just completely implausible. You know, this, 836 01:04:19,079 --> 01:04:25,360 this, this, this geezer couldn't be you know, overtaking trucks and jumping 837 01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:29,559 on the back and beating up all the occupants and wrestling guns from people's hands 838 01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:31,360 and winning knife fights. It's just like, no, you should be in 839 01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:35,599 a wheelchair, sitting on your porch and anyway, it's just that kind of 840 01:04:35,719 --> 01:04:41,000 cartoonish violence is kind of now, it's kind of it's gone in a different 841 01:04:41,079 --> 01:04:46,199 direction. It's gone in a kind of nakedly cartoonish kind of John Wick way. 842 01:04:46,239 --> 01:04:48,519 And we can talk about Extraction two in a second, which is very 843 01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:50,559 much in that mob, which you quite like too. But you know, 844 01:04:50,679 --> 01:04:57,079 that old kind of true lives kind of cartoonish violence that's now seems a bit 845 01:04:57,159 --> 01:05:01,719 outdated, and it's just it's just but but but I think Stallone as a 846 01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:05,320 gangster, as a as as as you know, as a seven five year 847 01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:09,800 old gangster. And you know, he's he's seventy five in the series, 848 01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:12,519 he says he's seventy five. You know, he's quite, he's quite. 849 01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,880 He's quite kind of credible, and were more credible in that role than Schwartzenegger 850 01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:18,679 is over a kind of CIA action man. Yeah, no, I'm I'm 851 01:05:18,719 --> 01:05:21,679 with you. Um, I just I want I need a cup of tea 852 01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:25,360 before my I got to my platis. So tell me the other thing you 853 01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:28,239 wanted to talk about. Oh yeah, well I just wanted. I watched 854 01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:32,400 them also on Paramount Plus Star Trek Strange New Worlds, which is yet another 855 01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:40,840 Star Trek series, um seemingly hoving more closely to the Star Trek reboot than 856 01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:46,320 the original, and and had it got like very high rating on Rotten Tomatoes, 857 01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:48,440 like ninety two percent or something, and and I thought, wow, 858 01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,440 this is going to be good. I a big, big fan of the 859 01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:54,599 Star Trek reboot. But actually it was rubbish. So I'm not going to 860 01:05:54,679 --> 01:05:58,440 recommend that I watched another one. But I did watch Extraction too. So 861 01:05:58,599 --> 01:06:05,760 Extraction is a film starring Chris Harmsworth's directed by this stunt director, and it's 862 01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:13,000 kind of John Wick style video game violence, and Extraction Too is more of 863 01:06:13,039 --> 01:06:15,360 the same, but it's actually pretty entertaining. It's kind of it's very pedestrian 864 01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:19,599 until you get to the first proper action sequence, in which you know Hemsworth, 865 01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:24,880 as a kind of mercenary, has to infiltrate this prison which is kind 866 01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:31,559 of riven by gang warfare, and rescue this woman and child and then escape 867 01:06:31,639 --> 01:06:36,079 from the prison with them as he's being attacked on all sides by the guards, 868 01:06:36,119 --> 01:06:42,119 by the two different gangs and once and it's like the disconnect. It's 869 01:06:42,119 --> 01:06:45,039 a bit like Gangs of London. So the disconnect between the kind of rather 870 01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:50,239 pedestrian plot, the wooden dialogue, the one dimensional characterization, and suddenly this 871 01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:58,360 kind of fantastically amazingly well choreographed, kind of dazzling, kind of twenty minute 872 01:06:58,559 --> 01:07:02,000 action sequence the disconnected just extraordinary. Um. But yeah, it's worth watching 873 01:07:02,039 --> 01:07:06,559 for the action sequences alone. Okay, cool, that's good. Well we 874 01:07:06,679 --> 01:07:10,840 can have another um fight next week. Thank you, jebs. Have another 875 01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:14,320 fight next week, James, kay, um, okay, good, have 876 01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:20,159 fun, all right, don't do any speeding in the meantime. By yes, 877 01:07:20,519 --> 01:07:41,719 it's London falling. Ricochet join the conversation.