WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.480 --> 00:00:07.559 This is I On the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jacin Salis on Fox Sports 2 00:00:07.599 --> 00:00:13.519 fourteen fifteen powered by Nova Insurance Services. Hey sure, your most prized possessions, 3 00:00:13.679 --> 00:00:19.000 katz R two Sock and iHeart Radio Station. Hey, good afternoon, 4 00:00:19.039 --> 00:00:21.519 everybody. Welcome to on the Ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm 5 00:00:21.559 --> 00:00:25.480 Steve Rivera. He's Jakin's as got a guy Jason in today. Welcome to 6 00:00:25.480 --> 00:00:29.640 Tuesday. Sorry for yesterday's absence. I know you guys are waiting for us. 7 00:00:30.920 --> 00:00:33.799 Who else to do you geeks? I'm plaguing in my head, your 8 00:00:33.880 --> 00:00:37.119 geeks. You tell we've been God, thanks for listening to everybody. I 9 00:00:37.119 --> 00:00:40.399 know you guys were concerned and all that. Yeah, that's my dad. 10 00:00:41.439 --> 00:00:45.119 No, it's good, We're good. We're good. No, it's funny. 11 00:00:45.159 --> 00:00:49.359 Can everybody me being a dork and not wanting to learn these damn buttons? 12 00:00:50.119 --> 00:00:53.159 Jason, We're getting a real job. Yeah, yeah, what's up 13 00:00:53.200 --> 00:00:56.320 with that? I got to pay my bills? Do you mean to tell 14 00:00:56.399 --> 00:00:59.320 us you mean the fact that we don't pay you as a problem. No, 15 00:00:59.399 --> 00:01:02.520 a little bit. You know, he'd be coming a star, Jason. 16 00:01:03.560 --> 00:01:06.519 Sometimes you don't need to pay the bills to be the star. You 17 00:01:06.599 --> 00:01:11.400 get your free drinks somewhere. No, we do appreciate everybody who didn't snarl 18 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:15.799 too much at us for for for the late cancelation of our show. Um, 19 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:19.799 but today today's will be good. Unforeseen circumstances, but it's all cleared 20 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:23.879 up now and so here we are today. It'll be the same guests we 21 00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:26.799 had planned yesterday. So I'm looking forward to it in a fun, fun 22 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:30.680 way. Obviously, we have Mike Gonzalez coming in and d of Nick Gonzalez. 23 00:01:30.840 --> 00:01:34.359 You know, a dad that I always wanted to be, right that 24 00:01:34.480 --> 00:01:37.239 the dad of a kid in the Major League, as he is acting like 25 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:40.640 it. Yesterday when I was talking to him, he sent me his photo 26 00:01:40.680 --> 00:01:44.719 and you posted today in yesterday saying that he hasn't stopped smiling. You know 27 00:01:44.760 --> 00:01:47.480 his while he's got to be you said he wasn't even a man. He's 28 00:01:47.480 --> 00:01:49.840 a young dude. He looks young for sure. Yeah, we're just old 29 00:01:49.879 --> 00:01:53.760 because this next generation. Look, he could be my kid. And that 30 00:01:53.879 --> 00:01:57.239 just kind of got to be about your dad's what forty something? Yeah he's 31 00:01:57.319 --> 00:02:00.200 not, he's forty two. Wish maybe there. Yeah, So I think 32 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:02.120 that's what we will ask him. Yeah, so that should be a fun, 33 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:05.640 exciting time. He saw his son over the weekend in Phoenix. We're 34 00:02:05.640 --> 00:02:08.199 gonna really pick his brain about what this feels like, h of course in 35 00:02:08.240 --> 00:02:12.759 the major leagues. And that was and not only is Nick Gonzalez, he's 36 00:02:12.759 --> 00:02:15.960 out of Sienaga, went to New Mexico State, UM number one draft pick 37 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:21.520 of the of the Pirates. He's really good. He's off a great doctor, 38 00:02:21.560 --> 00:02:23.039 a great start. They played the Dodgers, so I got to see 39 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:27.240 him a few times. And you know, there's some guys that look like 40 00:02:27.680 --> 00:02:30.759 Major League baseball players, and even some guys in the major leagues who don't 41 00:02:30.759 --> 00:02:35.639 look like he looks like major He looks like him infielder. Yeah, yeah, 42 00:02:35.800 --> 00:02:38.400 yeah, okay, And then the second hour, we're gonna have Elijah 43 00:02:38.479 --> 00:02:45.400 Rush Ye, Elijah Rush I'm sorry right the the we we spent a good 44 00:02:45.479 --> 00:02:50.159 good amount of last week talking about him being a five star recruit, decided 45 00:02:50.159 --> 00:02:53.719 to stay in town go to Arizona at a South Point Catholic UM. I 46 00:02:53.759 --> 00:02:59.319 was even listening to um the Dan Wetzel Pad forty uh podcast. They spent 47 00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:02.759 a good five minutes talking about Arizona's recruiting and Elijah Rushing and you know the 48 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:07.199 things that Jed Fish is doing down here recruiting wise, that you know, 49 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:12.960 they're of the belief that Arizona is gonna get that quarterback who decommitted from Mississippi. 50 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:15.360 A lot of people are saying that as well, just really praising jet 51 00:03:15.400 --> 00:03:19.840 Fish for the work he's doing here, not just from a recruiting standpoint, 52 00:03:19.840 --> 00:03:22.800 but you know what he's done in a couple of years, because they did 53 00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:27.719 talk about this program was really really bad. When Jed Fish got oh we 54 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:30.879 know that. I mean they're national guys and they're uh, they're I don't 55 00:03:30.919 --> 00:03:37.840 like to say, um uh absentee landlords. Right, they're here once a 56 00:03:37.919 --> 00:03:39.439 year. Yeah, we hear every day. Right, we see the cracks 57 00:03:39.439 --> 00:03:43.240 on the wall. Right, we know exactly what's going on. They see 58 00:03:43.280 --> 00:03:46.360 it, and it gives more weak because they're not because because it's it's people 59 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:51.759 from outside noticing. I think that's right, seem right. So so they's 60 00:03:51.800 --> 00:03:53.639 been a good amount of time talking about that. But Elijah Rushing, you 61 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:55.800 know, will pick his brain. I mean he's luck. He's been on 62 00:03:55.840 --> 00:03:59.919 all the radio shows. Ours is kind of the last one. So things 63 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:02.439 kind of hopefully settled for him. So we'll see what's on his what's on 64 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:05.280 his mind now, see what the impact has been for him. Yeah, 65 00:04:05.599 --> 00:04:09.199 so that should be a lot of fun. Good to have everybody back give 66 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:12.439 out of the heat obviously. Um, what's the first agenda? There's a 67 00:04:12.479 --> 00:04:14.680 lot of stuff going on, man, Steve, you know, I really 68 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:15.959 wanted to be on the show. Yes, I would do the show because 69 00:04:15.959 --> 00:04:18.639 there's so much went on over the weekend. But it's still going on. 70 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:23.720 Still stuff still breaking. Uh. You got the Northwestern issue, the hazing 71 00:04:23.800 --> 00:04:28.480 stuff. Um. Pat Fitzgerald got fired yesterday, the long time head coach. 72 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:30.759 He was a player, he was on the Rose Bowl team back in 73 00:04:31.360 --> 00:04:35.360 back in the nineties. Yeah, I'm just a hero there. And they 74 00:04:35.439 --> 00:04:41.560 acted him. Um do you think that they had I thought they had no 75 00:04:41.639 --> 00:04:45.000 choice given And I don't know the facts. I don't know the complete facts. 76 00:04:45.040 --> 00:04:47.759 They should say. Uh, and they messed up that. I want 77 00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:50.519 to say, blunder or whatever. On Friday when they give him two weeks 78 00:04:50.759 --> 00:04:56.240 from two weeks to firing, what's the that's a good reading when I've been 79 00:04:56.279 --> 00:05:00.279 reading, including the report that came out of the Northwest. Uh, the 80 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:06.399 student paper other stuff that's followed up. ESPN had had a piece alluding to 81 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:12.720 some uh stuff that was on a white board that kind of corroborated the stuff 82 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:17.279 that was being said about about the hazing. Um Northwestern screwed this up from 83 00:05:17.319 --> 00:05:24.079 the get to administration did administration and by that meaning that they thought if they 84 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:30.120 dumped the announcement that that Fitzgerald was getting suspended on a Friday afternoon it sent 85 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:34.720 out the two page executive summary of their investigation, that that would be the 86 00:05:34.800 --> 00:05:39.000 end of it and it would go away. But they didn't anticipate was that 87 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:44.600 the Northwestern University student paper with this. Northwestern is one of the top journalism 88 00:05:44.639 --> 00:05:49.879 schools programs in the country. In the country, I mean tons of tons 89 00:05:49.879 --> 00:05:55.680 of ESPN and National Media Sports Illustrated guys. They all come, they come 90 00:05:55.680 --> 00:05:59.560 out of there, they come out of Missouri, and they thought it was 91 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:01.920 going to end there. Well, Northwestern paper goes out, does get some 92 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:09.800 morti hold of two athletes who corroborated everything and gave them details, and that 93 00:06:09.839 --> 00:06:14.319 got out and after six months of the investigation. You mean to tell me 94 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:19.519 that the administration or the investigators right the point, it seems like and this 95 00:06:19.560 --> 00:06:24.800 is where Northwestern is getting called on the carpet that they knew and they had 96 00:06:24.920 --> 00:06:27.920 all of that thought it wasn't going to get out, and said if we 97 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:30.040 suspended for two weeks, it'll go away, and then it comes out. 98 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:32.759 It has to all that stuff has to be in the report. Yeah. 99 00:06:32.920 --> 00:06:35.920 Now nobody has seen the report because nobody's been able to get their hands on 100 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:40.399 it. But the reports, you know, the report has to have said 101 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:46.360 all of this. If that's what this football player said to the school paper, 102 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:48.839 I'm sure he said it to the investigators. So Jay, let me 103 00:06:48.839 --> 00:06:53.319 ask you, and I'll as this to you Jackson as well. You can 104 00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:57.199 answer it however you want. Do you think that this stuff is a one 105 00:06:57.240 --> 00:07:00.759 off or do you think that this happens could be so often at places? 106 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:05.199 I think there's coaches all over the country going, holy hell, we gotta 107 00:07:05.279 --> 00:07:09.279 knock this crap off, no question, Jason. Yeah, I think it 108 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:12.360 happens. You know, I undercover people, you know, just this just 109 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:15.480 came to the light, you know, the culture. Culture. Yeah, 110 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:17.439 No, I think this goes on everywhere, not everywhere, a lot of 111 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:24.759 places, and I think coaches know about it. And if you don't know, 112 00:07:24.920 --> 00:07:29.040 again then your parts Fitzgerald and she fired. Anyway, this is reminding 113 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:30.800 you of a basketball coacher exactly. I mean, what do we say about 114 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:34.800 Sean Miller all that time? We thought he had to know what Book Richardson 115 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:39.079 was doing. Right, How could he not know? I mean I thought 116 00:07:39.160 --> 00:07:41.439 that and you, I mean we talked that, We talked about knowing what 117 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:45.480 we know. He's a control guy, right, he had to know so 118 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:46.560 and if you didn't know, and if you didn't know, then he should 119 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:49.680 have. That's what they're st screwed. You're screwed either way. So now 120 00:07:50.759 --> 00:07:55.600 and here's the here's the here's what's Here's where the blunder was is that somebody 121 00:07:55.600 --> 00:08:01.160 who was advising the administration said this will never get out. Just do This's 122 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:07.040 a huge mistake. In this day and time, nothing's a secret. If 123 00:08:07.480 --> 00:08:13.279 more than one person knows, the likelihood of it getting out is very high. 124 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:18.319 And so for anybody, and particularly smart people who you think maybe are 125 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:24.560 people who work for Northwestern or at Northwestern. If anybody over there said, 126 00:08:24.639 --> 00:08:26.480 you know what, we can keep this under wraps. It's not going to 127 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:31.680 get out, so let's just do this, it couldn't have been more wrong. 128 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:35.879 So aren't thinking they must have really pissed off that player. They really 129 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:39.799 did, that's what it sounds like to get this ball. And then and 130 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:46.840 then a statement from the quote unquote entire football team gets sent out that says 131 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:50.559 everything is overblown and this never happens. And it's sent on the email of 132 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:56.360 a former a staff assistant instead of one of the football players. What the 133 00:08:56.399 --> 00:08:58.919 hell is that to tell me? Explain that to me again? The whin 134 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:05.559 there's a statement that was said, saw that it didn't come The email got 135 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:09.919 sent to I guess the either the news media or the administration, but not 136 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:13.679 from a football player. It was sent to I think my my understand was 137 00:09:13.759 --> 00:09:16.639 a former staff member, a former stuff. Yeah, Now did that staff 138 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:20.559 member make this up and send it or did it really come from the football 139 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:24.000 team? Right right? It should have been coming from the captain of the 140 00:09:24.039 --> 00:09:28.639 captain of the football team or the designated spokesperson of the football team. Maybe 141 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:31.200 they even should have held a press conference. Now you got that, and 142 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:35.240 now you know, all this gets out there and now they fire him. 143 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:41.840 Yeah, now here's the kicker, and this this just came out The administration 144 00:09:41.960 --> 00:09:46.919 says, Okay, Pat Fitzgerald is fired, Well, we're keeping the rest 145 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:52.600 of this? What the hell you fired Pats Pat Fitzgerald for either knowing and 146 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:58.399 not doing anything about it or not knowing, saying he should have known? 147 00:09:58.200 --> 00:10:03.120 Well shouldn't he's a The coaches have known also or did they know? Also? 148 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:05.440 How are you keeping the rest of us? Here's the problem. Northwestern 149 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:07.960 didn't want to get to this point in the first place, so they have 150 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:11.919 no choice. But they can't just clear the house and bringing new staff in 151 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:15.159 under the timing we got him. We got three weeks or two weeks whatever 152 00:10:15.240 --> 00:10:18.000 is before they start. This is gonna implode it either way, no matter 153 00:10:18.039 --> 00:10:22.559 what. But how do you keep how do you keep these guys when they 154 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:24.440 should have known him too? Yeah, I think that the ads and some 155 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:28.600 of the administrators are going to be gone too from this. Wow. And 156 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:31.120 there's a lot of people want who want the president to be him and him 157 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:35.960 too, and you know, he's the guy they're just left from Oregon just 158 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:41.559 last year two Okay, but man, yeah, no, it's it's not 159 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:43.320 my whole thing is this is this is not a one off. I mean, 160 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:48.519 it just can't be U and the culture of football. Football look at 161 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:50.919 and New Mexico State. Same thing happened, Same thing happened basketball, five 162 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:54.159 ten guys, three guys, two knuckle heads or three knuckle heads doing this 163 00:10:54.559 --> 00:11:00.960 and and coaches knowing And was it because of that? No, well, 164 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:03.679 actually this came out six months ago. They six months ago when they started 165 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:09.559 mistigating. But now Joe athlete at Wherever University, he says, well, 166 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:11.080 God, that's going on over there. I'm you know, now I can 167 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:16.200 say something, Well, who's next? Is kind of my question. Yeah, 168 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:18.360 that's a good question. That's a good question, not a good point. 169 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:22.399 We'll soon see. We'll soon see, um because guess what those questions 170 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:26.240 are gonna be asked atlas everywhere. You can't do these things. There was 171 00:11:26.279 --> 00:11:28.559 a time where you could do some of these things. There was never a 172 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:31.360 time he could do these things. Yeah, you could do things like, 173 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:35.759 you know, make make a guy, make a freshman sing at the team 174 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:39.399 dinner, or makes them carry the athletic bags or whatever. And everybody did 175 00:11:39.399 --> 00:11:43.080 that my baseball team when you know, you know, the freshman had to 176 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:48.720 carry the equipment to the bus. And it wasn't a it wasn't a punishment 177 00:11:48.759 --> 00:11:50.759 thing. It wasn't a hazy thing. We just said, you know when 178 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:54.720 when we you know, we just say a freshman carry the equipment. Jay, 179 00:11:54.919 --> 00:11:56.240 we don't live in the time of my three sons. And I love 180 00:11:56.320 --> 00:12:00.960 Lucy anymore right now, you know, but you can't do the things. 181 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:03.440 Look, there was a case a number of years ago toa Only I know 182 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:07.240 about this because my brother was an attorney on this case. Um No Galas 183 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:09.639 baseball team. I don't know if you know about this. This This would 184 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:15.399 have been in the mid eighties, I think, um, And there was 185 00:12:15.440 --> 00:12:20.360 some haze. No Galas had played a game of Phoenix baseball and there was 186 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:24.720 on the way back to No Gallas on the bus there was some hazing going 187 00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:28.960 on in the back of the bus and it got out and the coaching staff, 188 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:35.159 the three coach the three coaches on the bus got charged criminally with sexual 189 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:39.600 abuse. They were gonna be if they had been found guilty, they were 190 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:43.879 gonna be sex offenders. And then because they allowed right and they could have 191 00:12:43.879 --> 00:12:50.200 gone to prison because it was mandatory prison time for for what they were what 192 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:54.120 they were charged with. Now it went to trial, the jury found them 193 00:12:54.159 --> 00:12:58.600 not guilty, just saying, look, you guys screwed up, but you're 194 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:01.519 not criminals and you don't deserve to go to But it was a case where 195 00:13:01.720 --> 00:13:07.600 these guys got criminally charged. In that regard, Pat Fitzgerald and the coaching 196 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:13.840 staff could get criminally charged if if if let's say, a enthusiastic prosecutor decided 197 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:18.240 he wanted to do that, because it's their responsibility. Now, the difference 198 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:24.000 is these guys on the bus were miners that they got they got charged with 199 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:28.559 sexual conduct involving a miner or something like that, and that might be a 200 00:13:28.600 --> 00:13:33.320 big difference. But nonetheless, they were trying, you know, the prosecutor's 201 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:37.080 office here was trying to hold the coaches responsible for what was going on in 202 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:39.480 the back of the bus. That these coaches said they didn't know what's going 203 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:43.600 on in the back of the bus, right, But I don't know how 204 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:46.559 Pat Fitzgerald can say I had no idea. Well here you are, so 205 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:50.840 okay, that's one of them and the one there was the other one with 206 00:13:50.919 --> 00:13:54.320 Huggins situation where he wants his job. We only had a minute before a 207 00:13:54.360 --> 00:13:58.360 break. We got to talk about Bob Huggins, because holy hell, is 208 00:13:58.399 --> 00:14:01.799 that another mess it's been created over there, right, and you wonder what's 209 00:14:01.840 --> 00:14:07.480 going to happen from that. Well okay, well, well we'll break out 210 00:14:07.519 --> 00:14:09.960 that conversation. Um, maybe after the break. Okay, all right, 211 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:13.200 we've got Mike Gonzalez. Uh. He's the father of Nick Gonzalez, the 212 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:18.200 scenic baseball player who's made it to the majors in three short years after being 213 00:14:18.639 --> 00:14:20.879 in his third season, I should say, after being a number one draft 214 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:22.639 pick. He's up with the Pittsburgh Pirates. 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Now on the 282 00:19:42.839 --> 00:19:48.319 phone, we have Mike Gonzalez, the father of Nick Gonzalez with the Pittsburgh 283 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:52.759 Pirates, and are you still on Cloud nine after the weekend? Yes, 284 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:56.039 sir, I'm still pretty pretty happy. I guess I saw some photos of 285 00:19:56.039 --> 00:20:00.720 the family or the group you had att Phoenix with the games with the Dodgers 286 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:07.200 and the Pirates. How many people were up there supporting Wow, I would 287 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:10.519 say there's probably there was probably. I mean, I don't know. It 288 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:15.640 was well over a couple I just kept running into, you know, different 289 00:20:15.640 --> 00:20:18.200 people. There was people there that I didn't, you know, expect to 290 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:22.680 be there, that didn't tell me they were coming, but they definitely came 291 00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:25.680 out in full forced for Nick. It was pretty cool. That's awesome. 292 00:20:25.720 --> 00:20:27.640 Well, we were talking about the fact that you and I both spell our 293 00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:30.559 last names the same way with anst on the end. Don't give him any 294 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:33.920 money, he's gone. We just know how many of us there are out 295 00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:37.240 there, Mike, So it's not surprising that you he was looking to see 296 00:20:37.240 --> 00:20:41.359 if he was okay, if it's a long lost cousin, so don't well, 297 00:20:41.400 --> 00:20:44.079 you know, if if if Nick's looking for like a pr guy or 298 00:20:44.119 --> 00:20:47.160 something like that or whatever, you know, we got I got time. 299 00:20:47.559 --> 00:20:48.640 Hey, So Mike, you know, the thing that Steve and I have 300 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:52.680 talked about is what what does this feel like? We'll get into the Mike's 301 00:20:52.720 --> 00:20:56.000 journey, I mean Nick's journey, but what does this feel like for a 302 00:20:56.119 --> 00:20:59.640 dad? How? I don't every dad who has a boy and who plays 303 00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:03.279 a little baseball, somewhere in the back of their brain they think, I'd 304 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:06.039 love to see my kid be a major league baseball player. What's it like 305 00:21:06.119 --> 00:21:11.640 to actually see that? Yeah? I mean I've had a friend tell me 306 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:15.519 that I'm living every little league father's dream, and I know I actually am, 307 00:21:15.559 --> 00:21:19.319 and it is. It's been unbelievable. But you know, for me, 308 00:21:19.359 --> 00:21:22.920 as a father, your goal is for your children to be better than 309 00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:27.799 you. Yeah, and and my boys and my daughter, my kids. 310 00:21:27.960 --> 00:21:33.079 I've you know, I'm blessed with just amazing children, and it's been amazing 311 00:21:33.119 --> 00:21:37.759 this whole time. But you know, Nick playing professional baseball has been uh, 312 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:41.359 you know, his journey has been kind of rough. You know, 313 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:44.880 he's you know, he's always undersized, he's not big enough, he's you 314 00:21:44.920 --> 00:21:48.799 know, there's always been you know, since the I would say probably high 315 00:21:48.799 --> 00:21:51.839 school, he's always been questioned if he was good enough, and he just 316 00:21:51.920 --> 00:21:55.640 keeps proving them wrong. So it's been amazing, that's for sure. We'll 317 00:21:55.640 --> 00:21:57.759 get to that in a second, but first for you, give me some 318 00:21:57.799 --> 00:22:02.039 of your back room. Did you play ball maybe at to what level or 319 00:22:02.079 --> 00:22:04.119 whatever? Because this just doesn't happen with him. You have to be a 320 00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:07.920 dad, like we're we're fathers of sons who played sports who you know, 321 00:22:08.079 --> 00:22:11.960 have to push them and all that stuff. But did he get some from 322 00:22:11.960 --> 00:22:17.039 you that you were pushing him and you had some ability? Yeah, I 323 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:19.680 was a pretty good athlete. Obviously I wasn't as good as an athlete as 324 00:22:19.720 --> 00:22:26.079 my kids, but um I was a terrible student. It was a pretty 325 00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:30.319 good you know, and you know, I'm I'm just honest about you know, 326 00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:33.599 my situation. And you know, I have friends that I played with 327 00:22:33.799 --> 00:22:36.440 younger that would say, hey, your dad was better than me, but 328 00:22:36.680 --> 00:22:38.759 I was. You know, I kept playing your dad didn't. But everything 329 00:22:38.799 --> 00:22:41.400 happens for a reason. You know, I made mistakes as a child that 330 00:22:41.559 --> 00:22:45.720 I wasn't going to allow my kids to make. And you know, my 331 00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:49.400 older Mick's older brother was a college football player. He played at the Naval 332 00:22:49.440 --> 00:22:56.480 Academy defensive captain his senior year. I mean, just we've been beyond blessed 333 00:22:56.559 --> 00:23:03.079 with all our children. Okay, So at some point um, as Nick 334 00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:07.160 is growing up, he became a pretty good baseball player. I've always talked 335 00:23:07.160 --> 00:23:10.640 about how, you know, you go see little leaguers or whatever, very 336 00:23:10.680 --> 00:23:14.759 young kids, and some of them stand out. And there's some kids that 337 00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:18.400 played in our neighborhood that that you know, stick out like that. Rodney 338 00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:22.039 pet was one who as a twelve year old litter league player. He said, 339 00:23:22.119 --> 00:23:26.119 that guy is special, right those kids? Yeah, there was a 340 00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:29.519 kid that played. He was a football play He ended up playing for the 341 00:23:29.559 --> 00:23:32.599 Buffalo Bills. You see those guys as twelve year olds say they've got a 342 00:23:32.599 --> 00:23:36.920 special talent, but other guys work at it. Where or when did you 343 00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:42.279 think Nick? I could call him Mike? Nick had this in him. 344 00:23:42.440 --> 00:23:47.359 So when Nick was two years old, I was coaching his older brother in 345 00:23:47.440 --> 00:23:51.400 Little league, and I mean, I'm not gonna lie I was. I 346 00:23:51.440 --> 00:23:53.759 was a little hard on both my kids. So I had a woman came 347 00:23:53.880 --> 00:23:57.599 up and hollering at me that I was. She couldn't believe I'd do that 348 00:23:57.680 --> 00:24:02.480 for my kids, you know, what kind of the person would do that? 349 00:24:02.559 --> 00:24:04.079 And I'm just like thinking, I was like, what did I do? 350 00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:07.759 What did I say to Daniel? And that's the older one, and 351 00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:11.240 I thought she was talking about Daniel, and then she's like, look at 352 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:14.599 him over there, you're making him hit in that cage. He's two years 353 00:24:14.599 --> 00:24:18.079 old. He's hitting balls off the key and he'd go pick him up and 354 00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:21.720 put him in the bucket. And he just kept doing that while we're playing 355 00:24:21.759 --> 00:24:23.559 our game, and I just started laughing. I said, ma'am, that's 356 00:24:23.599 --> 00:24:27.200 not me, that's what he wants to do. And he's been like that 357 00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:30.599 for, you know, since he was two years old. And I've even 358 00:24:30.599 --> 00:24:33.839 told family members, you know, because they would tell me, well, 359 00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:36.079 who's a better athlete, you know, and I'm like, well, I 360 00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:38.440 don't know which one of them is a better athlete. But as far as 361 00:24:38.559 --> 00:24:42.799 Nick on the baseball field, he's just different. You know, Baseball is 362 00:24:42.799 --> 00:24:47.480 a tough game, and if you're not mentally tough, it just destroys you 363 00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:51.559 and That's one thing I even struggled with when Nick was younger. I didn't 364 00:24:51.559 --> 00:24:55.440 think he chaired. I thought he would just you know, just played. 365 00:24:55.440 --> 00:24:56.640 And you know, he never really had a ton of emotion. You never 366 00:24:56.759 --> 00:25:02.599 knew of Nick was four for four or over four. And I struggled with 367 00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:04.720 that because I I just thought he didn't care. But that's just how he 368 00:25:04.799 --> 00:25:07.880 handled it, right, right, So all of a sudden, he plays 369 00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:11.640 really well at Senega and he had to walk on in your Mexico State or 370 00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:15.440 did he get a SCULSIU? He walked on? So come on, how 371 00:25:15.440 --> 00:25:18.960 does this happen? He's I went to New Mexico State. That's a decent 372 00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:22.960 program. But I think he played under their former coach, right, who's 373 00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:27.000 now at North Carolina State. Coach Green is at Wichita State. Yeah, 374 00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:30.319 which, okay, so he there's this connection and then he then he knocks 375 00:25:30.319 --> 00:25:34.240 that out of the park. Literally. Well, I mean, if you 376 00:25:34.279 --> 00:25:37.839 asked me, I'm just gonna tell you that everyone missed because it wasn't. 377 00:25:37.880 --> 00:25:41.839 It didn't come out of left field. He you know, as a youth, 378 00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:44.680 you talk about the kids that you knew that were good. I mean 379 00:25:44.720 --> 00:25:47.519 you talked, I mean you'd probably talk to anybody that played with him or 380 00:25:47.559 --> 00:25:51.359 against them, and they'll all say the same thing. We're not surprised where 381 00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:55.359 Nick is today. But you know, his whole life, he's just been 382 00:25:55.480 --> 00:25:59.240 proving people wrong because he was just a little kid. He was so small 383 00:25:59.279 --> 00:26:03.519 and you know, he didn't pass you know, the eye tests, and 384 00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:07.079 you talk, you talk about his work ethic. I mean, at a 385 00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:10.279 point, was it in high school? Was it in little league that that 386 00:26:10.279 --> 00:26:14.880 that work ethic established and just got stronger as he went along. I mean, 387 00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:17.440 when did you see that the work ethic was going to get him there? 388 00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:22.519 Well, I mean I never thought it was going to get him where 389 00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:26.240 he's at today. I mean if I if I told anybody that I thought 390 00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:27.559 he'd be where he was today, I'd be you know, that's a lie 391 00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:32.519 because that's just a tough club. You know, to be a major league 392 00:26:32.519 --> 00:26:40.359 baseball player is pretty rare. But he's always worked hard. We had you 393 00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:44.400 know, social media is kind of crazy, but when he was like eleven 394 00:26:44.480 --> 00:26:48.640 or twelve years old, somebody had posted in social media that he's cheating. 395 00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:52.000 He used a legal bats because he was so small, but the kid could 396 00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:55.319 hit, and he could he was always a real good hitter, and somebody 397 00:26:55.319 --> 00:27:00.640 had posted on social media that his bat was loaded or so even remember what 398 00:27:00.680 --> 00:27:03.920 it was. And you know, right away I'm upset. I'm getting ready 399 00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:07.000 to fire off. You know, probably not a very good response. And 400 00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:10.640 then my older son, no, Dad, don't don't do anything. I'll 401 00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:12.000 do it. I'll and he puts on there. He's like, you know, 402 00:27:12.039 --> 00:27:15.720 do any of you see him work at five am before he goes to 403 00:27:15.759 --> 00:27:19.319 school where he's hitting in the in the garage. Does anybody see him after 404 00:27:19.400 --> 00:27:22.599 school when he's hitting, Because I mean that was the thing. Nick just 405 00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:26.720 wanted to hit all the time. I tell you know, there's another story 406 00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:30.680 I tell people that you know, I used to be the one to throw 407 00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:33.400 in batting practice, all the batting practice, all the time. You know, 408 00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:34.319 after work, I'd get home and he's like, all right, let's 409 00:27:34.319 --> 00:27:37.640 go hit, and he would ask me. I would never be the one 410 00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:40.000 to say, hey, Nick, you better hit today. It was always 411 00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:42.799 him telling me that he wanted to go hit. There was times where I'd 412 00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:45.400 call my wife and say, hey, my arm is killing me. I 413 00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:48.960 can't come home. I'm gonna stay at work late today because I can't throw 414 00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:53.160 today. And That's just that's what it was like for us because he always 415 00:27:53.480 --> 00:27:56.680 you know, Sienega, he's had great coaches, that's another thing. But 416 00:27:56.759 --> 00:28:00.559 at Sienega, they gave him the light coach. We would be there pretty 417 00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:03.480 much year round, you know, just hit me and him, and then 418 00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:08.519 he'd started inviting friends, which wasn't the best for my arm, but that's 419 00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:14.799 just what we did. So I was gonna ask a quick question about um 420 00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:18.599 hitting. It's a it's a game of repetition, fielding the ball, fielding 421 00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:21.559 the ball, feeling the ball, hitting, hitting, hitting, And did 422 00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:23.160 he at any point along the way when he was young, I'm going to 423 00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:29.079 be a pro baseball players. That was his dream. Well, obviously that's 424 00:28:29.119 --> 00:28:33.640 every every kid's dream, but he never voiced that. You know, you 425 00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:38.519 never told us that's was but we know that obviously that was his dream. 426 00:28:40.640 --> 00:28:41.720 Yeah, but he just went along. So I, you know, as 427 00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:45.559 you were talking about the you know, having to throw to him all the 428 00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:48.480 time and all that, all I could think of was Benny the Jet Rodriguez 429 00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:51.960 right from the sand lot. Just the kid who kept saying I need to 430 00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:55.039 keep getting better, you need to keep helping me get better, and just 431 00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:57.160 just makes it sound like that, but I mean it is that journey, 432 00:28:57.240 --> 00:29:00.720 right, yep. And that was just how he was. I mean, 433 00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:04.319 there was like if he had a bad game, it was right away he'd 434 00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:07.240 go home and he'd hit, and then he'd have to hit more, and 435 00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:11.200 which he's he's evolved where he doesn't need to He mentally he doesn't need to 436 00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:14.880 hit as much as he used to because he knows, you know, your 437 00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:18.160 body can only do so much and it's gonna start breaking down. There's no 438 00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:19.839 way, I mean, he would swing, you know, just hundreds and 439 00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:26.319 hundreds of swings a day. And I can't remember. Who's a gentleman that 440 00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:32.880 told him, look, you can't do that. I can't remember his name. 441 00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:37.680 He's a local coach, professional, has a couple of kids that were 442 00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:40.480 pro ball players. It'll come to me in a minute, but I just 443 00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:44.039 can't remember right now. But just kind of thought that he might wear out 444 00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:47.720 his body or what. Yeah, that's exactly what he told him. He's 445 00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:49.519 like, you should hit until you feel comfortable. He said, if that's 446 00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:53.359 one swing, two swings, ten swings, whatever it is, as soon 447 00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:57.519 as you feel comfortable, you got to shut it down because you're just gonna 448 00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:00.960 put additional wear on your body that you don't need to do. So. 449 00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:04.920 At some point that a new Mexico state, people started talking about him, 450 00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:07.200 you know, being a high draft pick, and then it became he's going 451 00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:11.000 to be a first round draft pick. You know, what were the things 452 00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:14.920 that you guys talked about in terms of you know, sort of keep you 453 00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:18.000 know, staying the course, keeping an eye on things, and continuing to 454 00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:22.799 do the work. What did you guys have conversations about all that? What 455 00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:27.079 didn't have to that was just Nick. He continued to work. You know, 456 00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:30.839 he was a COVID his junior year. That's when COVID happened, and 457 00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:34.319 they pretty much, you know, once the season ended, a lot of 458 00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:38.279 kids would go different directions. You know. There was even a kid I 459 00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:41.759 saw that they interviewed that was drafted higher than Nick, and they talked to 460 00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:45.960 him and he's like, well, I'm just doing nothing and just waiting, 461 00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:49.519 you know, and he had nothing, and Nick was just fabricating stuff making, 462 00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:52.519 you know, had a net in the garage that we were hanging from 463 00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:59.079 corner to corner. He found a guy in Los Cruises that he worked out 464 00:30:59.079 --> 00:31:03.000 at his facility. He never stopped so yeah, I never had to get 465 00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:07.200 involved. That was just him. Even the day of the draft. You 466 00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:12.079 go back, he went to local bn L, which is a local club 467 00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:15.920 team here. He went to their practice just to talk to the kids. 468 00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:19.480 And then after that he went to the gym and hit and worked out the 469 00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:23.079 day of the draft. So let me ask you along those lines that Jay 470 00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:26.599 asked you. So here's a kid who went to high school college, so 471 00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:30.319 that was to play baseball or to go to school. That must have been 472 00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:34.599 a family just a great time. So he goes to Crusis and becomes an 473 00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:38.000 All American. That must have been a great time. And then he gets 474 00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:41.640 drafted. That must have been a great time. And then he gets the 475 00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:45.000 major leagues. There's been a lot of parties in the Gonzales family. How 476 00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:49.519 has that been? Because you have to celebrate a lot of things. I'll 477 00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:52.839 tell you what it's been. It's been amazing. I don't even have the 478 00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:57.279 words to describe it. I mean, it's a dream, it's it's it's 479 00:31:57.359 --> 00:32:00.119 his dream. But I'm lucky enough to be part of the ride. So 480 00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:05.839 okay, you got you. You can't lie to us about this. Do 481 00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:07.440 you have tears in your eyes when he when he came out on the field 482 00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:12.880 for the first time as a pirate. Honestly, I cried for like two 483 00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:17.240 weeks. Okay, it's so hard, you know, like even just a 484 00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:21.160 minute ago when I started talking, you get choked up just because you're so 485 00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:23.680 proud, and you know, you just you just want your kids to be 486 00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:29.200 successful, right And and he's done that, He's done everything he wants that, 487 00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:32.759 he's asked for her, he's done. It's just been it's been amazing. 488 00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:37.440 When after I first found out, the day I found out, I 489 00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:38.920 had to call my boss tell him, hey, look, I'm not coming 490 00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:43.359 to work tomorrow, and he didn't answer, and then I called him again. 491 00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:46.000 He didn't text or didn't answer some Finally I texted him and I said, 492 00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:49.440 you know, call me. I've got something important. Just call me. 493 00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:52.000 We get a chance. And he ended up calling like ten fifteen minutes 494 00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:53.640 later, and then I told him what was going on, and he's like, 495 00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:57.640 oh, that's great, you know, you know, just congratulating me. 496 00:32:57.640 --> 00:32:59.960 And I was like, Darren, I'm glad you didn't answer the fault 497 00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:01.400 because I don't know if I could have talked when I called you, because 498 00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:06.839 I was pretty emotional. No, that's super. And of course you have 499 00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:08.880 your family there as well, your your wife, who you know, we 500 00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:13.400 could be talking to saying how does she feel and how does the family feel? 501 00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:17.319 Everybody, I mean, we are all on cloud nine. Yeah, 502 00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:21.559 my wife is probably the one that people should talk to. She doesn't get 503 00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:25.480 noticed as much obviously because I'm you know, always around, but she's the 504 00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:29.920 one that kept everything together. I beat the boys down, and she picked 505 00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:34.359 him up and raised a couple of great young men. Okay, so who's 506 00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:39.240 got the baseball from his first homer? That's a good question. That's a 507 00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:44.920 great question. Did you guys get pretty much everything Nick has had, you 508 00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:47.000 know, his first home run, literally home run, his rings, I 509 00:33:47.079 --> 00:33:52.359 have almost all that stuff. But he's recently bought a house and he's got 510 00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:58.799 a his own little study, so I imagine he's gonna put that stuff in 511 00:33:58.920 --> 00:34:01.720 his in his collection. But he's got it somewhere, right, He's got 512 00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:06.799 it. He's got them both right now. First home run and his first 513 00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:08.519 hit. He's got them both. Awesome, very nice, and it looks 514 00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:12.239 like he's gonna stay for a while up there. Man. He's doing well 515 00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:15.559 on top of everything else, right, he's doing well up there. He 516 00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:19.719 is doing very well. It's nice to see him comfortable, and you know 517 00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:22.519 he had a rough time in Arizona. But you know, you don't I 518 00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:25.159 don't really think about it. I just I see him playing and I just 519 00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:29.679 expect him to do well. And you don't even think about how much pressure 520 00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:31.519 he's under, you know, with the hundreds of people that are there just 521 00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:35.760 to see him. I know my phone was blown up, so I couldn't 522 00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:38.199 even imagine what his phone's doing. Yeah, yeah, no question, that's 523 00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:40.960 awesome. It's it's cool. It's cool to hear about all of this stuff. 524 00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:44.360 So is he living in Pittsburgh? Is where you got his house? 525 00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:47.880 Or is here? So he bought a house in Texas. He owns a 526 00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:53.239 couple of houses in Florida. He's pretty smart financially. He's got a couple 527 00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:59.280 of rental properties, so he's and hopefully he'll buy something in Pittsburgh eventually. 528 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:01.880 Okay, all right, cool, Well, congrats again, Yeah, thanks 529 00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:07.480 for joining us, appreciate it very much. Alrighty, thank you very much 530 00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:08.719 for having me. Thanks a bunch of Mike all the best of your kid 531 00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:14.000 already, thank you. I'll be well. Michael Zos nix. That's cool. 532 00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:15.920 Yeah, you know, very cool. I'm getting choked out. No, 533 00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:17.960 it's good. I understand. I mean, you know, I'm sure 534 00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:21.760 you know. I mean, as you said, what dad whose kid was 535 00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:24.800 playing baseball didn't at some point say I'd love to see my kida or any 536 00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:30.519 sport or any sport anybody, And then you know, you live out the 537 00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:34.719 dream and it's it's it's not as much of a dream come true for a 538 00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:37.440 dad, but it's pretty damn close to the actual kid that gets up. 539 00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:39.800 Well, I think you you as your dad, you wanted them to be 540 00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:43.000 healthy, right, you wanted them to be happy, and as you said, 541 00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:45.920 you want them to do better than you, no question. That's that's 542 00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:49.960 that's very cool. Okay, that's fine. Ye all right, let's take 543 00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:52.559 our next break. We're gonna be back. 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They welcome back to win the Ball here on Fox Sports Spoteen fifty. 592 00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:24.159 I'm Steve. He's Jake Jason with us today, got thirteen minutes. 593 00:39:24.159 --> 00:39:27.639 If you just want to give us a quick call, please do. Let 594 00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:32.639 us know what's going on in your lives or whatever. Northwestern Gonzales, Gonzals. 595 00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:36.480 Hey, there's the Gonzalez with an Essa major league. God. Thought 596 00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:40.639 you were going to say, be adopted by I'm local, I'm not Nay, 597 00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:46.320 I'm not warming cuddly anymore anymore. To beat him, let's take this 598 00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:50.440 call. Hey, you're on the air and I on the ball. Hey, 599 00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:52.559 this is Bill. Hey Bill, how's it going. I just want 600 00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:55.320 you to know I'm glad you know that Jay's bone is working because I text 601 00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:59.760 him every day for two months. It's on the diamondbacksman in first place and 602 00:39:59.800 --> 00:40:04.239 the actually que and you never heard a word in the minute the minute the 603 00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:12.239 Dodgers type first place. I get a text from Jay that says I'm a 604 00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:17.800 loser. What can I tell you? But what you say is not a 605 00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:22.559 lie. I'll just I'll admit that you know what he said Bill to me, 606 00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:24.960 just knowing you probably heard. He's not warm and fuzzy anymore. Don't 607 00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:29.559 you have to be at some point, I was like, I came out 608 00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:35.239 with a lot of hero when I was the baby cuddling. I'll let you 609 00:40:35.239 --> 00:40:37.400 go. I want to hear you talk about Huggins. I just wanted to 610 00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:39.039 get that in there because I'm I'm relieved to know that his phone does work. 611 00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:43.159 I'm good, I'm good Bill, and uh, next time I'll respond, 612 00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:45.199 but it'll be probably be rude, so I know what to tell you. 613 00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:52.199 Thanks, Budge. Oh my gosh, Bob Huggins. Yeah, that's 614 00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:55.000 a bizarre situation, but not a surprise, a complete surprise. Well, 615 00:40:55.320 --> 00:41:00.920 if you if you know, if if you had an impression of Bob Huggins, 616 00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:06.840 then my impression was he's a grumpy old part. So he's He's right 617 00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:10.280 exactly, He's doing exactly what you would have expected him to do. For 618 00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:14.239 those of you who may or may not have been following this, you know 619 00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:16.800 Bob Huggins, you know he did the he did the thing the Homo four 620 00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:21.239 which slurs on the radio. Then he got busted with an extreme DUI. 621 00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:24.119 He was in he was in Pennsylvania and didn't even know he was in Pennsylvania. 622 00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:32.360 He uh he uh quote unquote resigned a few days later. Um, 623 00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:37.599 and then a couple of days ago came back and said, I never resigned. 624 00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:40.559 I want my job back. I still consider myself the coach of West 625 00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:45.119 Virginia basketball, and I want to I want my job back. The chances 626 00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:47.679 this is a question for both, The chances of him getting his job back 627 00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:52.880 are zero. Yes, not even slim to none. Zero, there's zero. 628 00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:59.079 Um he has said. He said that he never really resigned, UM 629 00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:05.480 that the resignation came from his wife's text message and email address. He never 630 00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:09.519 really submitted the proper paperwork that, according to his employment agreement, was required 631 00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:15.679 to resign. Joe does his contract. Okay, Okay, Bill Huggins, 632 00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:20.079 Bubb, you're fire fired fort and you're not getting your money anyway, the 633 00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:22.760 story, and you're not getting your money anyway. So he's just prolonging this. 634 00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:25.119 Yeah, So anyways, I just I just looked at it. The 635 00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:31.119 letter that West Virginia University sent back to Huggins m reminded him about about the 636 00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:38.119 ten times that he said he resigned and now he's saying he's not, including 637 00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:44.400 there was a text message from his wife's phone account. Then when they reached 638 00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:46.239 out to him and said we need more than this we need a letter from 639 00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:52.679 you. A letter was sent to the university from his written by his lawyer 640 00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:57.880 through his wife's email account, all because he doesn't use email. He told 641 00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:00.440 the team he was quitting, he told the assistant of the athletic director he 642 00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:06.119 was quitting, he cleaned out his office, and now he's saying he didn't 643 00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:10.199 resign, And so the university is saying, no, matter what you think 644 00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:14.400 about whether or not, you had to send us a certified letter that you 645 00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:17.159 resigned. You resigned, and we consider you resigned. And that's it. 646 00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:22.960 There's nothing else to say, right, which is exactly what West Virginia University 647 00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:25.039 should have said. What right? No? What this does? This kind 648 00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:30.199 of throw the whole team again into a loop, although they've already established that 649 00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:34.320 the guy's been moved up. Ye're moving on, you know it. This 650 00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:37.920 is just a bunch of political They're not getting it. He's not coming back. 651 00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:42.079 Now. Does the team kind of fall apart because of this? You 652 00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:44.559 know, you got guys who love him and say, sure, we want 653 00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:46.719 him back, other guys who say let's move on. You know, does 654 00:43:46.719 --> 00:43:52.679 the locker room kind of fall apart because of this? I think that's how 655 00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:54.960 can I say this because I would. I understand it. Sports mumble jumble 656 00:43:54.960 --> 00:44:00.960 and over analyzing. Kids are pretty smart and resilient. Once the divorces happened, 657 00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:04.639 they've moved on to the next. Have we got our coach, Stepdad 658 00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:07.599 know exactly, coach, we love you, but we gotta go. Yeah, 659 00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:13.360 yeah, no, I sure hope. So because this is ridiculous, 660 00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:16.519 It's totally ridiculous. And if you whose advising, I guess nobody's probably advising 661 00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:21.360 Bob Huggins. Otherwise this wouldn't be happening. Jay, Jay, So you've 662 00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:23.119 been on the side of the thing. You know people I know, I've 663 00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:28.760 covered a lot of coaches. I don't know too many people I know doctors. 664 00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:32.039 You know doctors you dealt with big administrator. I don't know anybody with 665 00:44:32.079 --> 00:44:37.920 bigger egos and coaches. You're right, I've seen them. I mean some 666 00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:42.840 doctors maybe, but sure they save lives. Maybe. Some lawyers yeah yeah, 667 00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:45.880 good point, good lawyers. But you understand what I'm saying. They 668 00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:47.719 can solve the world's problems. Just give me the job and I'll do it. 669 00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:52.280 Uh. If you see this is this is this is that situation where 670 00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:55.360 you can't fire me. You can't you know, I'm Bob Huggins. Yeah, 671 00:44:55.519 --> 00:45:00.280 guess what you're here. And the thing about Huggins is that he did 672 00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:06.559 what he did, but there was still room for people to say, you 673 00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:09.320 know, poor Bob, you know, he blew his career because of this 674 00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:14.920 stuff. Even with the homophobic stuff, there was still room for him and 675 00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:15.960 say, look, he was still a good guy for the most part. 676 00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:20.960 He's still a Hall of Fame kind of guy for whatever hall of fames he 677 00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:27.519 might be eligible for. This rex all of that, it's Bob Huggins was 678 00:45:27.559 --> 00:45:32.920 a spoiled, egotistical turn and now, you know, let me wash my 679 00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:36.840 hands of him and get him the hell out of here. And he's he's 680 00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:39.559 not gonna get He's not gonna get any honors from West Virginia University because of 681 00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:44.840 all of this. And if if his ego needed all that, well that's 682 00:45:44.840 --> 00:45:47.039 too bad. He's not gonna get it anymore. Yeah, yeah, well, 683 00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:51.239 we'll see what happens. It's likely I agree with both you, Slim, 684 00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:53.480 the nun zero whatever, it's all zero at the end of the day. 685 00:45:53.719 --> 00:45:58.559 Yeah, and they'll be fine. I would not be surprised though, 686 00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:02.559 that he will get land a job somewhere else in the next year. You 687 00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:06.920 think he will Yeah, yeah, at this right, I don't think no, 688 00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:08.559 I don't think he will anyone. I think this recks that. No, 689 00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:14.159 he's gonna want to bring this guy. Dave Bliss got a job, 690 00:46:14.679 --> 00:46:17.400 Patito's got a job. All these guys have gotten jobs. This is a 691 00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:22.119 this is a don't drink anymore. Okay, you're right. I would never 692 00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:24.599 hire I would I wouldn't. I wouldn't hire this guy at minimum wage. 693 00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:30.079 Totally get totally get it. But he'll end up somewhere, whether it's a 694 00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:32.639 small or d one. I mean, I wouldn't let this guy flip burgers. 695 00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:37.920 Okay, but he's a good coach, he's the way, his approach 696 00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:42.320 is different. But he'll he'll find a job. He'll find a job somewhere. 697 00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:45.760 The thing is, he screwed up at his alma mater, right, 698 00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:47.920 he was a graduate of West Virginia. Yeah, he did great since then, 699 00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:52.079 so you know he was born there. I mean didn't grow up there, 700 00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:54.760 but he was born there. Yeah. My bet right now is that 701 00:46:54.800 --> 00:47:00.119 he'll find a job. Think yeah, time wise, Yeah, you're so. 702 00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:05.039 You think it out one year and then he'll get a job. Wow. 703 00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:09.199 Yeah, yeah, you gotta question any administration that does that, of 704 00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:13.760 course, but they're out there. If these guys, if these other guys 705 00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:16.920 could get a job that they're looking you want to win. You know, 706 00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:22.440 the price of the price will win is is a cost leap and this is 707 00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:25.440 just part of the car Yeah. Hey, look at Northwestern. They want 708 00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:30.920 to keep their coach, so look what they did. Yeah, yeah, 709 00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:34.719 it's just the way. You know, some of the smartest people on the 710 00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:38.119 planet are involved in this stuff right right in Northwestern. No, but you 711 00:47:38.119 --> 00:47:43.440 would assume that stuff. Like the smartest guys in the room, they're missing 712 00:47:43.480 --> 00:47:49.199 some things, right, they're missing little pieces of common sense, mostly that 713 00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:52.559 that causes stuff like this too. That happened not in this case, not 714 00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:54.880 in West Virginia's cause West Virginia is one hundred percent in the right saying, 715 00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:59.880 look, you resigned a hundred times the hell out of here. You know. 716 00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:02.880 But Huggins, who probably thinks he's a pretty smart guy, and his 717 00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:07.000 lawyers, who probably think they're pretty smart guys, are just screwing this up 718 00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:10.039 in more ways than one, which is crazy. Yeah, no, I 719 00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:13.400 get it. It happens all the time. Yeah, to me, it's 720 00:48:13.400 --> 00:48:16.760 not funny because there's been some some tweets, people posting stuff on Twitter at 721 00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:22.079 social media talking about how nothing happens in the summer, and then listing all 722 00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:24.639 the stuff that's happened in the summer over the last several summers. It happens, 723 00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:27.599 right, It happens all the time. This going on. Now. 724 00:48:27.639 --> 00:48:31.039 You had USC UCLA leaving the pac twelve last year. You had Oklahoma and 725 00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:36.079 Texas the year before. You had COVID stuff the year before that. That's 726 00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:38.039 another thing. I know. You get to work back in school pretty soon, 727 00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:42.039 right, You're gonna be busy, your assistant sports editor, yes, 728 00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:45.800 and then some other things that you're gonna go, Jason, You're gonna be 729 00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:47.440 You're gonna be busy because it's a lot of crops gonna hit the fan. 730 00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:52.000 Maybe not in the next week before deadline, but it's more. You can 731 00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:58.960 see the blat everywhere. And it's been I remember a year ago because it 732 00:48:58.960 --> 00:49:02.599 happened right now, right, and we made the bet September one, which 733 00:49:02.639 --> 00:49:06.960 is which was thank got it was a premature bet by you. But here 734 00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:09.159 we are and there's another crap thing on. We still have nothing from you 735 00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:13.280 still have you still have nothing, nothing from the and everybody still worries about 736 00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:15.599 it. If you you might wait some more time. This is a pregnancy 737 00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:21.239 that's gone long. Yeah, this baby's overcooked. It's just the way it 738 00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:23.880 is. I mean, just gotta you know, about fourteen pounds now and 739 00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:27.599 still in the womb. As they say in Spanish, yapa. You know, 740 00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:31.039 come on, let's go. What's the point now now? But eventually 741 00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:34.199 that will happen. There's a lot of things going on. You have a 742 00:49:34.199 --> 00:49:38.480 couple of weeks before football starts. Yeah, they go to the PAC twelve 743 00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:44.519 media day first, which we're probably gonna have Yogi Roth on twenty first is 744 00:49:44.599 --> 00:49:49.199 next Friday week from Friday. Yogi Roth from pactwelve Networks has promised to come 745 00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:52.719 on during the week to kind of preview some of that stuff, and so 746 00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:55.760 we'll have a chat with him about you know, he went to all the 747 00:49:55.800 --> 00:50:00.599 spring games and reported on all the teams and stuff, so get him into 748 00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:05.320 talk about some stuff. Right. I still think that we haven't heard who 749 00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:07.639 they're going to take to the petro of media day, right, but I'm 750 00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:10.440 assuming I know, but I can't tell you. Okay, then don't don't 751 00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:13.639 worry about. But Dolora, I'm assuming Delora is one of them. He 752 00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:17.679 has to go. He has to go, otherwise it would look bad. 753 00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:22.960 Yeah, I think, uh, but I'm not the pr guy, ye, 754 00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:24.719 But if I were the b other guy, I'd say he's got to 755 00:50:24.760 --> 00:50:30.159 go. Well, we've talked about you know, they should probably do something 756 00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:34.599 ahead of that so that they don't have to deal with it there without question, 757 00:50:34.760 --> 00:50:36.880 right, without questions. We had that a long time ago. Sure, 758 00:50:36.920 --> 00:50:38.719 sure, sure, no question. He's gonna have to deal with it, 759 00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:42.360 but it'll be less, right, it'll be less Yeah, there's still 760 00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:45.679 be a few leftover questions, but he could get the meat of it done. 761 00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:51.760 And this would make the locals happy, right because they get first crack 762 00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:54.079 exactly. And you know this. We're locals, but we know how the 763 00:50:54.199 --> 00:50:58.519 nationals work, and we get pissed off when the Nationals come in and they 764 00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:00.840 get the stuff that we can't get. Correct. I go, I know 765 00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:04.719 I've been pissed off about that didn't come on showing on all these talk shows 766 00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:08.239 that we can't get it. Perfect point perfect Sean Miller talking to whomember all 767 00:51:08.280 --> 00:51:12.719 his buddies nationally and guess who screwed him in the end. The nationally it 768 00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:15.679 was the national guys, be careful what you dance with exactly, okay, 769 00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:19.679 because you might do bad things to you. You might find somebody else to 770 00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:23.159 dance with. Okay, let's go. Can you tell her we're a little 771 00:51:23.159 --> 00:51:28.159 bitter, yeah, a little bit, yeah, feeling a little a little 772 00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:30.679 you know, betrayed. Right, We're glad that little radio show to talked 773 00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:35.679 about it. What we got to. It's what we do. All right, 774 00:51:35.920 --> 00:51:37.760 We're gonna be back. There's there's still some other breaking news going on, 775 00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:40.960 so stuff including stuff with the All Star Game tonight, and then we're 776 00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:45.519 gonna have Elijah Rushing, the five star recruit coming out of South Point Catholic 777 00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:50.119 that committed Arizona last week. We'll get his, uh, his thoughts on 778 00:51:50.119 --> 00:51:54.280 where things are today as he's made the big announcement to now uh just seen 779 00:51:54.320 --> 00:52:00.639 as the second coming right at Arizona. So we'll be back in a little 780 00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:08.800 bit. H