WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:06.120 The Chile Effect is sponsored by Wallstreet, Window dot Com and listeners like you 2 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:16.879 now and now in our media Yach thirteenth day of March twenty twenty four. 3 00:00:17.000 --> 00:00:21.000 Allegedly, according to that thing we call a calendar, this the o'celly effect. 4 00:00:21.160 --> 00:00:25.120 You hearing it, whether it is on the live stream or via your 5 00:00:25.120 --> 00:00:28.960 final slab of choice, your applicable application, your podcast, it is your 6 00:00:29.399 --> 00:00:33.159 whatever it may be, welcome to it. So it is Wednesday, and 7 00:00:33.520 --> 00:00:37.520 this will be the second live broadcast. But I'm not sure how we're going 8 00:00:37.560 --> 00:00:42.000 to release it. Probably it'll be released by Thursday or Friday on the you 9 00:00:42.039 --> 00:00:45.280 know, the regular feeds and all that stuff, because I spoke with Ed 10 00:00:45.359 --> 00:00:51.000 Oppermann earlier today and that is a completely different show from what we're about to 11 00:00:51.039 --> 00:00:55.000 do. Anyways, Larry Hancock is with me. The author takes up a 12 00:00:55.039 --> 00:00:57.560 lot of room on my bookshelf. Because I've told you all the time, 13 00:00:57.880 --> 00:01:03.280 more than any other author previous works, that we could discuss tipping points, 14 00:01:03.560 --> 00:01:07.200 someone would have talked, Yes, those have to do with the jfk assassination, 15 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:14.719 but other works surprise attack, shadow warfare, creating chaos, various things 16 00:01:14.719 --> 00:01:19.599 having to do with geopolitical affairs, warfare, all of that, although tonight 17 00:01:21.200 --> 00:01:25.079 it might be more appropriate to mention the book Unidentified, and still I haven't 18 00:01:25.120 --> 00:01:29.079 mentioned all of Larry's works, but if you go to Larrydashancock dot com, 19 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:32.319 you can get in touch with Larry, take a look at his blog, 20 00:01:32.959 --> 00:01:38.280 explore his other works. I recommend absolutely all of them. So there you 21 00:01:38.359 --> 00:01:41.719 go. And I think I actually own a physical copy of each and everyone 22 00:01:42.239 --> 00:01:47.319 at this point. And I'm looking forward to Oswald in Three Dimensions, which 23 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:49.879 might be the title of that thing where he's going to take a new look 24 00:01:51.079 --> 00:01:56.760 and a refreshed look at well, one of the most studied historical characters ever, 25 00:01:57.400 --> 00:02:00.599 Lee Harvey Oswald. And you know, there might be a re evaluation 26 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:05.439 in there, but again that's not the topic of tonight's discussion. Indeed, 27 00:02:05.560 --> 00:02:08.199 it might have a lot more to do with an Identified, which is a 28 00:02:08.240 --> 00:02:14.879 book about guess what they used to say UFOs commonly now we say UAPs, 29 00:02:15.879 --> 00:02:19.199 and you might know what that is, especially if you were paying attention to 30 00:02:19.240 --> 00:02:23.479 the media well this past summer. Anyway, let's get to it and shut 31 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:27.120 me the hell up. Larry. How are you doing tonight? I'm doing 32 00:02:27.199 --> 00:02:30.599 good, Jack we're having an early spring here, so I've been outside doing 33 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:36.159 lots of yard work and taking the consequence of sinus wise but loving the spring. 34 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:42.159 The sinus consequences, well, that almost sounds the book of consequences in 35 00:02:42.199 --> 00:02:45.319 the sinus. I don't know. There almost seems like a book title in 36 00:02:45.360 --> 00:02:47.319 there somewhere. I don't know what the topic would be, but almost seems 37 00:02:47.360 --> 00:02:52.520 like a book title coming out. If we had done this last week, 38 00:02:52.560 --> 00:02:57.319 it would have described itself just through the audio effects. But we'll leave that 39 00:02:57.400 --> 00:03:00.759 lay. Well. Yeah, we did take a little pause there is you're 40 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:02.879 normally on here every two weeks to discuss something or other, and we did 41 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:06.560 take a little pause because you were kind of feeling a little under the weather 42 00:03:06.919 --> 00:03:08.039 and I had other things going on, so it was like, you know 43 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:14.280 what, let's rest because you know, the sinuses were definitely giving you the 44 00:03:14.319 --> 00:03:17.960 consequences. Anyway, enough of all that, let's get to some of the 45 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:23.520 topics at hand. If you will May thirty first, apparently in Huntsville, 46 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:27.719 Alabama, there will be an in person conference, but also it will be 47 00:03:27.759 --> 00:03:31.560 conducted virtually from the thirty first of May to the second of June. And 48 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:38.919 this is the twenty twenty four AAPC, Right, the Anomalous Aerospace Phenomena Conference. 49 00:03:40.800 --> 00:03:46.159 I guess we could just start there because we've talked about the Scientific Coalition 50 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:51.039 for UAP Studies before on the show. There was the paper, There was 51 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:53.840 a lot of work, and you and I discussed generally in the news what 52 00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:59.199 was going on, as I referenced in the introduction, what was happening in 53 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:05.599 the summer of twenty twenty three here where we had remarkable alleged whistleblowers, right, 54 00:04:06.800 --> 00:04:11.840 some pretty what would we call them, I don't know, a sort 55 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:18.000 of extraordinary claims that were entered into the public record through congressional hearings with the 56 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:23.759 House of Representatives. Indeed, there was a guy out there saying that we 57 00:04:23.800 --> 00:04:29.319 have captured aliens, we have reversed engineered, excuse me, reverse engineered the 58 00:04:29.360 --> 00:04:33.240 technology that we discovered, etc. Etc. And he claimed to be part 59 00:04:33.240 --> 00:04:38.959 of that program and all this, and it did make headlines and ever after, 60 00:04:39.079 --> 00:04:45.240 everything from PBS to News Nation, to Newsmax to Al Jazeera indeed decided 61 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:50.800 to create featured pieces of media focusing on the extraordinary claims that were being made 62 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:55.720 by an individual who does seem to have had a government job at some point, 63 00:04:56.240 --> 00:05:00.439 Larry. But anyway, let's talk about that a little bit, not 64 00:05:00.519 --> 00:05:05.160 the claims from then, but maybe what's happened since in the official public circles. 65 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:09.800 And we'll have to circle back around to this conference, which again is 66 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:13.319 and I'm going to give you guys the links to the conference and also the 67 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:16.240 document we're about to discuss. Those things will be in the show notes, 68 00:05:17.040 --> 00:05:20.360 so when you go underneath the podcast, there that will be clickable links to 69 00:05:20.399 --> 00:05:25.279 go follow along with what it is we're talking about, including to be able 70 00:05:25.279 --> 00:05:30.120 to sign up for the twenty twenty four AAPC. But anyway, Larry, 71 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:32.879 where do we begin with this? I mean, the extraordinary claims. They 72 00:05:32.920 --> 00:05:36.839 definitely had a ripple effect in the media. They definitely had a ripple effect 73 00:05:36.879 --> 00:05:41.800 I would say, in the English speaking world's imagination, etc. Etc. 74 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:50.959 But simultaneously, you were engaged in real historical and scientific study regarding stuff like 75 00:05:51.279 --> 00:05:58.959 unidentified objects, you know, aerial phenomena, right, all of these things 76 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:04.560 the UAPUF world. You were studying these things for a very specific purpose along 77 00:06:04.680 --> 00:06:12.040 with this very interesting group of individuals in an academic sense. So let's put 78 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:16.079 that in context and talk about what's gone on since Please, Yeah, that's 79 00:06:15.879 --> 00:06:19.680 it's been a difficult year for us. In one way, the group that 80 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:26.439 you refer to, the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies, has been really trying 81 00:06:26.480 --> 00:06:30.480 now for about half a dozen years into this to kind of turn the focus 82 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:39.000 of attention to scientific studies, intelligent studies, which is what I've involved with 83 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:42.560 with a team that's working on it, and and kind of to move it 84 00:06:42.600 --> 00:06:49.639 away from the sensational to the to the objective fact finding kind of like peer 85 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:59.040 reviewed, academically sound venue. And we've been working at that, and actually 86 00:06:59.079 --> 00:07:02.199 we thought this summer we thought we might have some real help with that because 87 00:07:02.839 --> 00:07:11.839 the Senate Senator Schumer introduced a bipartisan resolution that would have created legislation within the 88 00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:20.120 Defense Appropriations Bill to act actually set up a government study committee somewhat on the 89 00:07:20.120 --> 00:07:25.920 model of the JFK Records Act, the JFK Studies that would have would have 90 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:30.639 gotten us some a very structured approach to it, released some documents, gone 91 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:38.399 through a declassification process so we could get some technical details without jeopardizing national security. 92 00:07:38.680 --> 00:07:41.680 So that was really exciting, and that was happening in the Senate. 93 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:44.639 Okay, hang on just a quick second, because I have a question here. 94 00:07:45.079 --> 00:07:47.639 You mentioned, you know, Chuck Schumer. That's one person. But 95 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:53.680 over time, and especially in recent years, we've heard from time to time 96 00:07:54.199 --> 00:08:01.759 about representatives, senators, presidents vice presidents being interested in the study of UAPs 97 00:08:01.879 --> 00:08:09.240 why mainly for the purposes of do we have a national security problem? But 98 00:08:09.639 --> 00:08:11.600 there have been other interests there, and it's been sort of floated out in 99 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:16.279 the public I think sometimes just to see, you know, the old run 100 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:20.439 it up the poll and see who salutes it kind of idea with politicians, 101 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:24.639 Let's see if we can get interest if the public actually cares about this a 102 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:28.160 bit. So some of it I think was sort of political testing to see 103 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:31.559 if, you know, they would be interested in having any sort of results 104 00:08:31.559 --> 00:08:35.960 here. But then again, there are legitimate concerns, and I think Schumer 105 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:39.559 wasn't the only one during this past year and a half. There's been a 106 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:45.399 few who have kind of publicly signaled that they're very interested in this, so 107 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:48.399 please go ahead and tell us a little bit about that and go forward. 108 00:08:48.200 --> 00:08:52.279 Difference really was what was going on in the Senate versus what was going on 109 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:56.879 in the House. Okay, there are three really political venues where this is 110 00:08:56.919 --> 00:09:03.080 occurring. The Senate was approaching it and what you would call a more rigorous 111 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:09.240 scientific studies approach. In the House, you had both sides of the House 112 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:15.519 approaching it, uh, but probably anymore. You had actually two committees in 113 00:09:15.559 --> 00:09:20.039 the House approaching it. One was a National Security Committee, which was approaching 114 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:24.720 it in much the same way the Senate was very factual the House that actually 115 00:09:24.799 --> 00:09:33.080 committed a government body under DoD the Aerial Phenomena Office to deal with the project, 116 00:09:33.159 --> 00:09:39.240 and it was it was running this new group that was there's legislation in 117 00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:41.879 place for this group to do studies, to do it in an organize fashion, 118 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:48.399 to produce reports. So you know, between that Intelligence committee in the 119 00:09:48.440 --> 00:09:52.919 House and what was going on in the Senate, that was pretty straightforward. 120 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:56.799 You know, it's going to take some time for things to happen. But 121 00:09:56.919 --> 00:10:03.960 at the same time, another committee within the House actually began to approach it 122 00:10:03.159 --> 00:10:09.240 in a much more sensational manner, surfacing a lot of claims in terms of 123 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:18.960 crash and recoveries, recovery vehicles, recovered bodies, threats to people who were 124 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:24.240 trying to come forth with this information, and those hearings were far different and 125 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:31.879 made. Some of the claims mentioned during those hearings were from former military pilots 126 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:35.600 that sort of thing, and were very straightforward with their personal experiences whatever. 127 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:43.879 Others ranged all the way to people's lives being threatened, assassinations, that sort 128 00:10:43.879 --> 00:10:48.279 of thing, which generated the kind of media coverage you talked about a few 129 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:52.759 minutes ago, because the claims were so sensational. So you really had kind 130 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:58.159 of three things going on. You had an ongoing aerial, phenomenal research effort 131 00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:05.799 going on under house legislation congressional legislation. Then you had humor looking to actually 132 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:09.320 broaden that, and then you had the sensational stuff going on at the same 133 00:11:09.360 --> 00:11:16.960 time. So everybody is thoroughly confused about what UFOs and UAPs. You know, 134 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:20.399 what's the focus, what's really We're hearing all these different stories. Some 135 00:11:20.480 --> 00:11:24.559 of them are straightforward, some of them are really radical. Where are we? 136 00:11:26.120 --> 00:11:31.960 And that's that's kind of our whole Our whole year devolved into these different 137 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:37.639 platforms, some of it pretty clearly political. I listened to one lady in 138 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:43.639 the in the House hearings, who old older lady who just spent over Oliver 139 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:50.360 platform time talking about Chinese balloons, which actually had very little to do with 140 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:56.120 the UAP phenomena that we're interested in, But so it did become a platform 141 00:11:56.200 --> 00:12:01.039 for some people on certain political issues that they were trying to promote, and 142 00:12:01.039 --> 00:12:05.440 it makes things difficult for us, which is another reason why we have these 143 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:09.679 annual conferences to kind of try to restore a little stability and move people back 144 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:16.399 to the you know, scientific discussion mode and away from the politics. Although 145 00:12:16.399 --> 00:12:20.200 there is I mean clearly there is a political issue. As you and I 146 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:26.039 have talked on many subjects, there's a the very political issue is how much 147 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:31.200 information is the government going to share and how much can it? From a 148 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:33.840 national security standpoint, Well, right now, let's place what's being held back. 149 00:12:33.919 --> 00:12:37.080 That's always going to be an issue, right and let's place alongside of 150 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:41.440 this something that the commentators who even took interest to this in the media one 151 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:48.440 way or another, we're confused about. Honestly, I couldn't figure out by 152 00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:52.200 listening to them whether they felt as though these video releases that came out also 153 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:58.399 you know which inspired which was it the movement in the House and Senate that 154 00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:05.720 inspire hired these DD relay releases of videos or you know, previously seen on 155 00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:09.399 the internet somewhere but never widely released. All of a sudden, there were 156 00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:13.679 these images dropped out there, stuff that was filmed by pilots, et cetera. 157 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:16.720 You know, very similar to what you were just talking about. Which 158 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:20.799 inspired Which were the videos dropped in response to what was happening? Or were 159 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:26.080 the videos dropped? And then this was the response to the videos was a 160 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:30.399 confusing question even among interested parties in the media. So, you know, 161 00:13:30.440 --> 00:13:33.320 maybe you could fill us in on that there a little bit good. The 162 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:37.639 videos that actually come out years earlier, the videos, the pilot stories, 163 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:46.840 the incidents over net Naval task Forces off San Diego and off Hampton Roads in 164 00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:52.519 the Atlantic, this is years old, so that was old stuff. Actually, 165 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:56.919 we're kind of still staring stories over and over again as if they were 166 00:13:56.000 --> 00:14:03.600 new that go back to twenty fourteen. But it was those stories that ultimately 167 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:11.480 did stimulate the House National Security Committee to get this legislation passed. So those 168 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:16.679 stories, years after the fact, did result in that one committee getting some 169 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:28.120 legislation through that created this office, this AAR Aerospace Resolution Office that did put 170 00:14:28.159 --> 00:14:33.960 into play and it's now been in play for over two years, so you 171 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:37.600 know, this is not as brand new as some people might think it were. 172 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:41.000 But yeah, to answer your question is that it was the Navy incidents 173 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:50.519 and especially the increasing concern among Navy pilots over flight security and basically flying risk 174 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:56.279 that got this whole thing underway when that got to Congress basically right now, 175 00:14:56.360 --> 00:15:01.120 that's very interesting to me only because again, like you correctly cite, these 176 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:05.720 videos had existed for like a decade, you know, or almost a decade 177 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:11.320 previous to people paying attention to them, but they were splashed across the uh, 178 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:16.480 you know, the media out there as if these were brand new releases, 179 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:20.720 you know, being acknowledged by the Department of Defense and all that. 180 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:24.600 And like you said, what's very interesting here is now for two years there 181 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:28.399 has been this brand new department and government. And when I take a look 182 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:33.440 at this document which you sent me, you know, the the Department of 183 00:15:33.480 --> 00:15:39.639 Defense All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, right, and you know here here we 184 00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:46.440 go the aaar O. Right. That's a that's a pretty interesting development in 185 00:15:46.480 --> 00:15:48.960 and of itself. I mean, they have to create an office to deal 186 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:52.080 with this. That means that there's you know, more than a handful of 187 00:15:52.120 --> 00:15:56.200 incidents for sure, and maybe more than a handful of concerns if you need 188 00:15:56.240 --> 00:16:02.360 to do this right, Yeah, good, It does indicate Chuck, It 189 00:16:02.440 --> 00:16:06.559 indicates that. But it's kind of a There's a fascinating thing and one of 190 00:16:06.559 --> 00:16:10.039 our speakers at the conference, friend of mine, Josh Pearson, will be 191 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:14.720 talking about it, is that the problem was, and the problem has always 192 00:16:14.799 --> 00:16:19.080 been, this has been an area of national security interests since nineteen forty seven 193 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:25.480 A This went on for decades, you know. But the problem is in 194 00:16:25.559 --> 00:16:30.679 recent decades, since nineteen nineteen seventies on, really, there has been no 195 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:37.200 single point of reporting within the government. There's been no government office that's chartered 196 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:41.559 with looking at it. Once the Air Force gave it up and essentially said 197 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:48.240 we're not doing this anymore, it was never picked up by anybody until AAR 198 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:52.519 was created. There literally, if you had a report, there was no 199 00:16:52.600 --> 00:16:56.440 place to send it. You could send it to the FAA, they might 200 00:16:56.480 --> 00:17:00.240 send you to the fire department. There's no place for it to go. 201 00:17:00.399 --> 00:17:04.359 So there was no place looking no group looking at it overall. However, 202 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:15.599 the fascinating thing is AARO is the Department of Defense agency that is completely separate 203 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:21.880 from the rest of the intelligence community. It's outside the normal intelligence community. 204 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:26.440 So Congress did what it could, and it did what it thought was probably 205 00:17:26.599 --> 00:17:33.279 right. But this entity now it can ask for information, it can ask 206 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:37.640 for reports, It can't order reports to be given to it from any agency. 207 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:41.039 And some thing's come up. Only within the last couple of weeks, 208 00:17:41.079 --> 00:17:49.160 a document's been released regarding an incident that occurred within the last two years out 209 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:53.079 in the Gulf of Mexico off Elgin Air Force Base, over one of our 210 00:17:53.160 --> 00:18:00.559 test ranges, where we dispatched an F twenty two interceptor to investigate a radar 211 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:07.279 track four UAPs flying information over the test range. That's something you really don't 212 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:12.599 want happening over test range. The two, which is our most advanced aircraft, 213 00:18:14.119 --> 00:18:21.079 got out there, imaged the UFOs, got close enough so that the 214 00:18:21.119 --> 00:18:25.640 pilot could sketch one of the UFOs. When he got that close, his 215 00:18:25.759 --> 00:18:30.799 instruments started going out, as infrared detector went out, as radar went out, 216 00:18:32.039 --> 00:18:37.079 so we ended up with hand drawn sketch. Right. He comes back 217 00:18:37.400 --> 00:18:41.960 and a report is made of this, and the report is fascinating because a 218 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:48.640 senator did get the report released. The report is entirely redacted with the exception 219 00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:56.279 of this sketch okay and the distribution of the report. The report was distributed 220 00:18:56.359 --> 00:19:03.640 to sixteen government agencies, military by Homeland Security, and immense distribute. In 221 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:08.480 other words, it was distributed to the intelligence community standard practice. It did 222 00:19:08.519 --> 00:19:15.680 not go to this Congressional office, to AAR because it's not part of the 223 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:22.160 intelligence community. So we still have kind of like a total disconnect between what 224 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:27.880 Congress thinks it's doing and what is actually happening within the intelligence community. And 225 00:19:27.920 --> 00:19:33.519 it's like these people don't they don't understand in any of it. It remains 226 00:19:33.599 --> 00:19:38.640 compartmentalized. You would think that that would be one of the top things that 227 00:19:38.720 --> 00:19:42.920 this group would be investigating, and it didn't even get copied to them. 228 00:19:44.240 --> 00:19:48.640 Well, so another question here comes up, and I wonder what the answer 229 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:51.680 is at this point, because you and I talked about this on previous shows, 230 00:19:52.200 --> 00:20:00.680 and there is literally no mechanism or process or procedure in place to handle 231 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:04.319 these things in the first place. Have they corrected that issue where look, 232 00:20:04.319 --> 00:20:10.079 at least there is some semblance of well, if you have a report of 233 00:20:10.119 --> 00:20:14.759 this sort of anomaly, it should be offered to up to your chain of 234 00:20:14.759 --> 00:20:18.400 command. Who should then turn it over to this agency or somebody? I 235 00:20:18.440 --> 00:20:22.880 mean, has there been a directive issued? Yeah, let's give them. 236 00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:26.799 Give you the best understanding that I have of it. Since it's a bit 237 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:30.960 mysterious. You can you can do a search for ARO and find their website. 238 00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:37.079 Okay, Okay, they have a website. Quite prominently. They have 239 00:20:37.160 --> 00:20:45.279 a mechanism for government agencies and the military services to offer them reports. And 240 00:20:45.400 --> 00:20:51.960 there is a mechanism. So if I'm Homeland Security or FAA or whatever, 241 00:20:52.279 --> 00:20:56.200 there's a mechanism for sen me to send a report to them. There is 242 00:20:56.279 --> 00:21:00.039 no requirement that I do that, and there is no take asking within the 243 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:07.119 intelligence community to do that. It's strictly a voluntary matter, and they don't 244 00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:10.839 have a mechanism for taking reports from the public at this point in time, 245 00:21:11.240 --> 00:21:17.480 only government agencies. So a partial answer to your question is there is a 246 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:23.039 mechanism, but it's all voluntary and at the moment it only applies to government 247 00:21:23.079 --> 00:21:29.480 agencies. There's also if you look at that website, there's also a mechanism 248 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:36.480 if you are a government contractor a government employee and you feel that you know 249 00:21:36.599 --> 00:21:45.880 something that is classified or confidential relating to UAP technology, whatever, whatever you 250 00:21:45.960 --> 00:21:52.079 might say. There's a mechanism for you to report that securely and be interviewed. 251 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:57.480 And the website calls out the fact that the law in place now aggressional 252 00:21:57.559 --> 00:22:03.559 law require the you can't be identified and you can't be punished. I see, 253 00:22:04.039 --> 00:22:10.079 well, now there's some there have been some as elements added. Okay. 254 00:22:10.480 --> 00:22:14.799 When I go to UH the UH again, I went to A A 255 00:22:15.079 --> 00:22:19.359 R. O. Dot Mill okay, which indicates that it's somehow part of 256 00:22:19.400 --> 00:22:23.480 a military part of the government. That's the way you would identify a website 257 00:22:23.559 --> 00:22:26.960 that is, you know, a military domain. When you go there, 258 00:22:27.039 --> 00:22:33.160 they have current operational UAP reporting. All right, So reading from the website, 259 00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:38.519 Larry, military personnel should report through their command or servance or service excuse 260 00:22:38.559 --> 00:22:44.359 me, in accordance with G E N A, D M I N okay, 261 00:22:44.480 --> 00:22:48.519 JEN Admin, Joint Staff J three Washington d C. All right. 262 00:22:48.680 --> 00:22:56.799 And then they have an identification number and in quote unidentified anomalous Phenomena reporting and 263 00:22:56.920 --> 00:23:02.119 material disposition end quote. That is where you're supposed to go if you're military 264 00:23:02.119 --> 00:23:07.160 personnel. And it has a section here that says civilian pilots are encouraged to 265 00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:15.319 promptly report UAP sightings to Air Traffic Control. AARO receives UAP related pilot reports 266 00:23:15.519 --> 00:23:25.759 okay, pire EPs okay from the Federal Aviation Administration. So what they're saying 267 00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:32.559 is that they should receive a civilian pilot stuff through the FAA, and when 268 00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:37.279 it comes to military that should be sent through this General Administration Joint Staff. 269 00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:41.960 Right. But they also have a contact form here which is like, you 270 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:45.920 know, hey, I want to report and this and that you must acknowledge 271 00:23:45.920 --> 00:23:51.880 that you meet the criteria below in order to complete and submit a UAP report 272 00:23:51.960 --> 00:23:55.240 at this time. And this is what you just mentioned. One of the 273 00:23:55.319 --> 00:23:59.759 checkboxes is I am a former or current US government employee, service member, 274 00:23:59.839 --> 00:24:03.359 or contract personnel. The other one that you can check is I have firsthand 275 00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:10.519 knowledge of a US government program slash activity related to you AP. And it 276 00:24:10.519 --> 00:24:12.599 says this form is to be used for official business with Department of Defense. 277 00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:17.799 Okay, and then it gives you the warning you know, knowing and miss 278 00:24:18.079 --> 00:24:19.680 misuse of this thing, this is a penalty blah blah blah. Okay. 279 00:24:22.480 --> 00:24:27.480 I find this interesting because it almost says that even though we take the reports. 280 00:24:27.559 --> 00:24:33.359 We don't take the reports directly from you, you know, unless you 281 00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:36.960 meet these criteria. As I said, I think it's interesting though that you 282 00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:41.920 could be a current or former US government employee, service member, or contract 283 00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:47.960 personnel. So one of the reasons that's in their check specifically is that, 284 00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:55.279 again, when these house hearings were held last summer, a number of claims 285 00:24:55.319 --> 00:25:02.000 were made during the house hearings that people had information about crashes, technologies, 286 00:25:02.119 --> 00:25:07.960 reverse engineering and they were afraid to come forward with it. The wording and 287 00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:14.519 the language you see there is totally a reaction of that, saying officially, 288 00:25:14.680 --> 00:25:19.640 legally, there are no restrictions. Contact us, we'll give you protection and 289 00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:25.400 we'll talk to you. That website is a response to that house hearing, 290 00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:29.400 There's no doubt in my mind, because those claims were made in front of 291 00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:34.880 the public, and AAR has responded saying, look, we're serious. If 292 00:25:34.920 --> 00:25:40.079 you've got it, come talk to us. That's why that's showing up there. 293 00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:44.279 Fair enough, So okay, Larry, enough of my interruptions and questions. 294 00:25:44.440 --> 00:25:48.799 I mean, what is it that is on the horizon here, what's 295 00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:52.359 happening and what do we need to know about this document that again was released 296 00:25:52.599 --> 00:25:57.480 through this aar O. I believe I have that right right aar oh, 297 00:25:57.680 --> 00:26:03.640 yes, okay, aar O, which is a February twenty twenty four report, 298 00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:06.839 Volume one is what you sent me here in PDF form and I'll give 299 00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:10.720 you guys a link to it in the show notes and all that, and 300 00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:12.440 also in the live chatroom atochelly dot com. If you ever want to roll 301 00:26:12.519 --> 00:26:17.160 that back listeners of the program whenever you're hearing me, you can always roll 302 00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:22.160 it back to the date. Anyways, So what is the main takeaway here? 303 00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:25.680 What do we need to know about this report? What is actually happening 304 00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:30.480 is their progress, I mean, go for it. The takeaway is basically 305 00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:38.160 that RO has established an intake mechanism for reports on certain types of reports. 306 00:26:38.519 --> 00:26:45.279 And you as you notice as I said, that those reports are it's an 307 00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:52.519 invitation to issue the reports. There's no absolute requirement that it has to be. 308 00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:56.319 I mean, a pilot can report to the FAA. There's nothing that 309 00:26:56.400 --> 00:27:00.839 says pilots have to In the past decades ago, there was Ashley federal law 310 00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:06.319 that said such things had to be reported. We're not at that stage now, 311 00:27:06.519 --> 00:27:10.960 so there's some progress and that there's a vehicle that's been made available. 312 00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:18.000 Reports are being encouraged, but reports are being taken in in terms of a 313 00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:22.880 two or three hundred a year, not hundreds or thou I mean, and 314 00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:26.640 they are being investigated. So ARO is doing that, so you'd have to 315 00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:33.680 consider that is progress. AARO was also chartered to prepare reports to Congress on 316 00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:38.480 the history of the subject. You know, what went on for the last 317 00:27:38.680 --> 00:27:45.640 decades that when nobody was looking at it. So most recently this past week, 318 00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:52.319 AARO issued its first history report basically, and I gave you the link 319 00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:57.279 to that. And what AARO did is it's interesting in a couple of ways. 320 00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:04.200 First of all, the report focused on two areas. One was literally 321 00:28:04.359 --> 00:28:11.079 a history of the official investigations into UFOs and they went all the way back 322 00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:18.079 to nineteen forty seven and literally gave a rolling summary of the different official projects 323 00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:22.920 that it existed within the Air Force, the CIA and what their conclusions were, 324 00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:27.720 right starting with Project Yeah, starting with Project Saucer in nineteen forty six 325 00:28:27.759 --> 00:28:32.400 apparently, and then rolling on from there. They also give you an idea 326 00:28:32.440 --> 00:28:37.400 about Grudge and Twinkle and Bear and a bunch of these other you know things. 327 00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:42.240 That we have heard about before that were mainly about data collection and event 328 00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:48.599 collection and things like that. Bluebook gets a mention here and the CIA's evaluation. 329 00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:52.680 I mean, again, just skimming the table context you get an idea 330 00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:56.440 of what it is they had collected together here in one place to give this 331 00:28:56.680 --> 00:29:00.559 historical account. Go ahead, sorry, I'll say two things. First of 332 00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:06.599 all, what the net of all of that is is somebody has done somebody 333 00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:10.920 has sat down and done a summary of all the official studies that said that 334 00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:14.799 there was nothing to it, and of course the conclusion would be then, 335 00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:21.559 oh, there's nothing to it. So really this there's nothing new there and 336 00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:25.680 what we know what we have been studying it now that they left out a 337 00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:29.440 lot of things, and there are a lot of mistakes in that report. 338 00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:33.960 I can assure you that that was not a report that was peer reviewed or 339 00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:40.160 would have passed any of the any of the standards of the history that the 340 00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:44.160 SEU or we would write. There are just mistakes all over the place in 341 00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:48.200 it. But be that as made. The more important thing is since essentially 342 00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:53.640 they all they did was present you the official synopsis of all this that says 343 00:29:53.920 --> 00:30:00.599 there's nothing to it. They didn't present you all of the reports the work 344 00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:06.640 that occurred during those studies that says just the opposite. They don't present you 345 00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:11.720 the air Intelligence report from nineteen forty seven that says they're absolutely real and they're 346 00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:17.519 concrete, and here's the technological profile. All that's left out. So they 347 00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:22.079 just ended up. They gave you the end reports that said, oh, 348 00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:29.559 we looked and we didn't find anything. So it's a history of negative reports, 349 00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:33.000 which gives you a negative report. So that's part of it, well 350 00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:37.799 more or less negative conclusions without the benefit of the data and stuff that was 351 00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:41.759 allegedly examined to get there. At the end of it all, going nothing 352 00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:45.000 to see here, pretty much like looking at the Warrant Commission report without ever 353 00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:49.000 bothering to look at the volumes, right to say, well, Jesus, 354 00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:52.799 this comport with it. Well, we won't even give you the volumes. 355 00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:56.279 We're just going to tell you what we concluded here during each time period, 356 00:30:56.839 --> 00:30:59.599 right, I mean, yeah, which we won't tell you about the ballistics 357 00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:03.599 panel that says our CE three ninety nine doesn't work. You know, we 358 00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:07.079 won't tell you about that. Absolutely the same thing here. So in a 359 00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:11.160 way you have to say to yourself, well, this was a self fulfilling 360 00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:15.640 prophecy, you know. But the other part of the report, which is 361 00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:22.640 more perhaps more interesting, is again essentially a rebuttal that says, basically, 362 00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:29.200 they contacted all of those people, interviewed all of those people, pursued all 363 00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:37.640 the leads that they were given in terms of crashed UFOs, reverse engineered technology, 364 00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:45.400 alien bodies, whatever. And they go into great detail and the fact 365 00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:48.880 that they did pursue all of those They don't give you the names because the 366 00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:52.720 names are protected. They just tell you, you know, persons one through 367 00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:59.319 nine or whatever. And then they explained what they found and basically the net 368 00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:02.279 of that is that they could find could come up with. They came up 369 00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:07.759 with, i think, a couple of individuals that remembered things a certain way, 370 00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:13.920 and they explain it because yes, they were working on classified information and 371 00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:20.000 they misunderstood what they were seeing. Okay, other instances, they were literally 372 00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:24.640 passing on stories from third parties and they did not have any firsthand information. 373 00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:29.920 So the other part of the report, I think is a fascinating read because 374 00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:35.759 it is it is definitely a rebuttal to what was given in those congressional hearing 375 00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:42.079 committees, the Security not security the other one. So it is it's kind 376 00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:47.640 of like, literally, these accusations were made, these statements were given. 377 00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:52.200 Yes, we did investigate them, and we don't find anything right. And 378 00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:57.279 just to give a refresher to the audience, what we're talking about specifically is 379 00:32:57.359 --> 00:33:00.440 from a July twenty eighth, I believe. Let me just check July twenty 380 00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:06.640 eighth article on NBC News okay, which is at nbcnews dot com. Will 381 00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:08.200 also give you the link to that. Guys. In the show notes, 382 00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:14.680 government is absolutely in possession of UAPs is one of the takeaways here. The 383 00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:19.880 five biggest most memorable moments non human biologics in quote were found at a crash 384 00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:25.680 site. Officials must establish a safe and transparent reporting process, okay, and 385 00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:35.839 stigma associated with sightings silences possible witnesses. UFO spotted accelerating the supersonic speeds. 386 00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:42.480 Okay. These were the five most memorable statements at that time, according to 387 00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:46.480 NBC and this was as those hearings were going on in the summer of twenty 388 00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:50.880 twenty three. Okay, I just wanted to point that out again. And 389 00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:55.359 you're saying, in response to all that the report that did not deal with 390 00:33:55.720 --> 00:34:01.400 they let's call it anomaloist technology like the superson flight or whatever. The report 391 00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:07.360 did not deal with all the issues that SCU or my group really tackles from 392 00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:14.000 a scientific standpoint. It totally I won't say sidestep those, but it totally 393 00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:22.679 left those aside while it pursued the more sensational issues like literally these claims were 394 00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:27.960 made. We investigated them. We couldn't find anybody who was willing to stand 395 00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:35.119 up under oath or who could provide substantive information and people should should read it. 396 00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:37.920 You can like it or not, but they hit a head on, 397 00:34:38.199 --> 00:34:45.360 let's put it that way. So from our standpoint, they really really didn't 398 00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:52.079 deal with the technological, the scientific questions of the history of UAPs that we 399 00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:57.639 would like to explore. But I think what they felt that they were compelled 400 00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:02.519 to do was to hit directly at these claims that were being you know, 401 00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:09.519 that were being made that there obviously clearly was a massive gigantic government conspiracy to 402 00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:15.400 suppress this information. And that's that's about half of what is in the report. 403 00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:19.360 Okay, fair enough, So with that, I just have one final 404 00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:22.920 question, because you know, I see at the at the main page here 405 00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:27.920 about the conference, Okay, where they have you know, pictures of various 406 00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:30.719 people that are involved there and people that are going to be speaking, et 407 00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:34.199 cetera. Uh, they talk about the focus, uh, you know, 408 00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:37.639 advancing in quotes, Advancing the scientific study of UAPs is at the heart of 409 00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:44.239 our organization, and our annual conference is part of that mission, said executive 410 00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:51.000 board member Rich Hoffman. This year's gathering is a continuation of our tradition of 411 00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:59.559 bringing scientists and academics together to discuss our shared interest in an enigmatic global phenomenon. 412 00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:04.519 Okay, that's a fairly good blanket statement. But how is this what 413 00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:07.280 we've just been discussing going to be addressed at this conference? Do you think 414 00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:12.840 or do you know, Well, we will have a person talking about this 415 00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:17.960 particular issue, you know, the disconnect between academics and the government and the 416 00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:22.239 media and the fact that these different stories are being told, and you can't 417 00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:27.800 avoid that. You need to have somebody talking about the fact that there is 418 00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:31.199 this issue of trust, you know, and how how do we resolve this 419 00:36:31.400 --> 00:36:35.840 issue of trust with this the right way to do it? You know, 420 00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:42.519 you can't if everybody keeps mistrusting all the information that you're given, it's not 421 00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:45.400 going to work. So it's a problem that has to be handled. So 422 00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:47.760 that will be the subject of the discussion. We will have one of the 423 00:36:47.800 --> 00:36:54.039 speakers, Josh Pearson, who has his doctorate in national security, who will 424 00:36:54.079 --> 00:37:02.159 be speaking on the intelligence community issues. Know and how how can you get 425 00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:07.920 around that? How could you come up with a real signature for UAPs that 426 00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:12.039 you could study and avoid this, you know, make it substantive, forget 427 00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:16.519 all the the generic statements. But how can you get some real metrics and 428 00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:22.320 study a scientific fashion. In fact, the majority of the speakers are PhDs. 429 00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:30.239 They hold doctorates, and they hold academic positions. And our whole point 430 00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:37.800 is that we've got to get academics engaged with this rather than people are just 431 00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:42.400 writing books. I hate to say that the sad way, it has to 432 00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:47.119 be studied as you would study any other anomalous phenomena. You can't study it 433 00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:52.159 as a mystery in and of itself. You know, it will remain a 434 00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:55.880 mystery if you do that, and it'll we'll be stuck in between, you 435 00:37:55.960 --> 00:38:00.480 know, finger pointing one direction or the other. So the answer to your 436 00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:06.440 question, literally is our goal is to have more academics not only from the 437 00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:14.639 US, but internationally. We're very much engaging with international groups Italy, Spain, 438 00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:21.840 France, across the globe, Latin America, trying to build a scientific 439 00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:28.199 community that we'll address this and not get trapped into what happened in those congressional 440 00:38:28.280 --> 00:38:34.159 hearings, right, So not just focusing on the American story here, but 441 00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:38.400 the phenomenon that is worldwide, so you know, and that's fair enough. 442 00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:43.599 And other governments have handled this a little differently, as you and I discussed, 443 00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:46.840 I mean the very large data dump that came from the United Kingdom, 444 00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:52.519 you know, not too long ago. We've talked about the transparency that is 445 00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:55.559 present with some other places that may or may not be president in the US, 446 00:38:57.480 --> 00:39:01.480 et cetera. And it's all they're fascinating. So I appreciate you taking 447 00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:05.559 this time tonight, Larry. I know it's a shorter one that we're having. 448 00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:08.880 Tonight's shorter discussion, but is there anything else we should add besides obviously 449 00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:15.159 go to Larrydshhandcock dot com keep up with Larry's stuff on his blog, because 450 00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:17.639 clearly he's going to be talking about this more in the next six or eight 451 00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:22.960 weeks or so before the conference comes on. And you know, as your 452 00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:29.960 work continues and you are part of this group that is studying the history and 453 00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:32.920 the relevance of all this information, I'm sure there's going to be more stuff 454 00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:37.440 coming out as we go here, So I would say keep up with everything. 455 00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:40.280 And also those websites I've given you the links to, either in the 456 00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:45.800 chat or in the show notes tonight. But is there anything else we should 457 00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:49.000 know before we're out of here? And again I recommend all of Larry's work. 458 00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:52.599 Unidentified is an interesting book which was published a few years back. We've 459 00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:57.199 discussed it on this show many times. Not going to go back over that, 460 00:39:57.400 --> 00:40:01.239 but it does have a lot of relevant themes that are part of our 461 00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:06.920 discussion here tonight. Oh one last thing. In the live chat, somebody 462 00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:10.760 asked if the Moury Islands discussion comes up, and I think it does in 463 00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:15.840 that historical it would have to in the sort of the broad strokes of that 464 00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:22.440 historical report that they put out right, the AAR must have had to cover 465 00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:27.360 that somewhere, even if it was just really briefly to mention that that went 466 00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:30.079 on. I know that's a point of interest for a lot of people. 467 00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:36.000 But again it's clearly being discussed, but are they actually breaking it down looking 468 00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:39.039 into the reports of anything. I think we already covered that so well. 469 00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:44.840 Just specific answer to that one actually, since that overlaps with the JFK thing, 470 00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:50.639 Yes it does. Moury Island was actually investigated intensely by the Air Force 471 00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:55.159 at the time because a couple of the witnesses from the incident had called in 472 00:40:55.280 --> 00:41:00.880 the Air Force and the Air Force went people to investigate it. Their plane 473 00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:04.760 crash, there were deaths involved, and actually you know I have seen and 474 00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:09.360 written about documents myself in this. The point was the Air Force was determined 475 00:41:09.559 --> 00:41:15.159 the extent to which it was totally was a hoax and actually wanted to engage 476 00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:20.960 in legal criminal actions against the guys that were involved in it, the so 477 00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:27.400 called boat patrolman. But no, it's not covered quite frankly in the ar 478 00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:32.599 work and the history work literally because it's been so fully deconstructed as a hoax 479 00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:37.719 and was officially investigated at the time. The one thing I would add at 480 00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:43.039 the end then is that actually my team will be presenting during the conference on 481 00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:46.920 our newspaper which should be published by then, which is a study. Our 482 00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:52.280 previous study was what were going on in the military domain during the Cold War. 483 00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:57.079 Our new studies will revolve around what was going on with the public and 484 00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:00.880 how was that different. So we will be involved in the as well. 485 00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:07.199 So you're going to contrast how the military was handling this versus what the public 486 00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:12.559 was seeing and doing. Actually more what the UAPs were doing with the military 487 00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:16.400 versus what they then were doing with the public. Oh okay, so like 488 00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:22.239 the the interactions that did go around military bases, you'd previously covered that, 489 00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:24.360 Now you're going to talk about stuff that's happening, you know, in the 490 00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:30.320 civilian quarters, if you will. Yep, yeah, totally totally different. 491 00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:35.880 And actually a major change in focus and UAP focus started to occur in the 492 00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:40.039 mid sixties, and that's one of the things we've been studying. Well, 493 00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:43.880 that ought to be rather interesting because I'm sure, look, you know, 494 00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:46.679 you're not going to find in private hands any nuclear assets, which it seemed 495 00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:52.360 as though the UAPs, based on their behavior, had a very serious keen 496 00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:55.920 interest in. But once you're starting to study the civilian population, not too 497 00:42:55.960 --> 00:43:00.840 many people have nukes. So you know, just saying, well, what 498 00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:07.719 we examined six different scenarios that would have represented a chance, like what's their 499 00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:10.599 intention with the public. Okay, we saw what their intention was with the 500 00:43:10.639 --> 00:43:15.920 military. What's their intention with the public. So that's that's what we're working 501 00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:19.840 on. Now, there you go. And so that ought to be fascinating 502 00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:25.320 again, Larrydashancock dot com. And about that particular conference, now, I 503 00:43:25.559 --> 00:43:29.079 just had it in front of me. I think I accidentally closed the tab. 504 00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:34.079 But let me let me get that website back up, if you will, 505 00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:37.480 because I want to point people to it. You can register to participate 506 00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:42.719 in it virtually or in person, all right, just so you know. 507 00:43:43.039 --> 00:43:50.920 And the twenty twenty four AAPC, if you go to let's see explore SCU 508 00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:55.280 dot org. Okay and slash about one. That'll get you to it. 509 00:43:55.400 --> 00:44:02.760 But if you go to the SCU website explore SCU dot org. If you 510 00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:07.480 go there, you can click on the link to the conference and find out 511 00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:09.599 how to register or take a look at some of the people that will be 512 00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:15.639 speaking there, etc. Again, it will be from May thirty first to 513 00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:22.079 June two this year, and you'll be able to attend virtually or in person. 514 00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:23.960 It's in Huntsville, Alabama, so you know. I don't know if 515 00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:27.760 you're close to there or whatever. You know you listening. I know where 516 00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:30.920 Larry is, but I don't know where you listening are. If you're close 517 00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:34.519 to Huntsville, Alabama, maybe it's worth an in person visit. If not, 518 00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:37.480 you can always attend virtually. It's not very expensive to my understanding, 519 00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:45.679 and might be a very interesting consequence if this subject interests you and you want 520 00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:50.440 something other than the official explanation from the government and the reaction of this new 521 00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:53.400 agency, which we also just covered. So with that, Larry, I 522 00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:57.320 want to thank you for doing this with me again, and we'll probably get 523 00:44:57.320 --> 00:45:00.840 together in about two more weeks, and who knows, we'll discuss then. 524 00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:04.039 What do you say? Sounds good to meet Chuck? Thank you, sir, 525 00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:07.599 excellent. Anyway, Larrydshancock dot com. 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