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Hell, hi everybody, and welcome
back finally to another edition of hyper Blast.

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It's been a minute to be done
one of these. This is That's

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No Metal, your weekly rock,
metal and punk news show. It's been

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a hell of a few weeks.
The bulk of this episode is actually going

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to be a recap of another of
those things that we've all been rocking up

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to. We're going to be talking
all about this weekend's Outbreak festival a bit

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later. But for the first time
in a minute, we have got a

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hyper Blast with other goings on and
the weekly releases and so on for you

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as well. I'm paren Hash,
Sam Dignon and Elliott Paisley are both here

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with me. We actually all met
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first time time at this weekend,
so that's that's always nice. Yeah,

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no, it was nice. I
actually meet Elliott properly chanting for a webcam.

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It was it was cool, still
recovering from Outbreak, like got the

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bruises to show for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean,

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as far as first impressions, a
goal coming over sweaty and it wasn't probably

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the ideal way to start, and
I thought every week I'd come on and

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talk about him to rehydrate myself.
I thought it's the only thing I've talked

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about recently, but that was another
level. Yeah. So as said,

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this is the outbreak episode. Because
we haven't had a news episode in like

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a good two or three weeks.
There is a little bit when you need

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to catch up on. We're not
going to talk about everything that happened like

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two weeks ago because there's little point, is there, you know most of

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those things. But we have got
a couple of exciting album announcements and things

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like that. Quickly, I will
address the thing that has been an ongoing

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development in the time that we've not
been doing new shows is not a fun

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one and it's something that you don't
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we are of course aware of the
allegations surrounding Till Lindiman at the moment,

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and this is something where there is
currently an the way investigation legally into what

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has gone on. So we don't
want to weigh too heavily into what is

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happening, but it is of course
a highly distressing situation. It definitely doesn't

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you know, it doesn't look good
for anyone, So that the band have

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continued to be on tour madly while
this has been going on. Christoph Schneider

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made a statement about it a little
while ago. We will see what the

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outcome of the situation is. But
as a podcast that has been like highly

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positive about Ramstyne in the past,
we're sort of obliged to acknowledge it and

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it is just, of course,
just very upsetting seeing an investigation like this

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going down. While we were away
at Outbreak, some other tiny, small

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fry festival was going on the same
weekend called Glastonbury. We had a bit

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of major rock representation there, with
most notably Guns and Roses becoming another of

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like the few proper hard rock bands
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had like a surprise set from the
Food Fighters turning up that looked like everyone's

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turning up everywhere else as well.
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little bow at the end of the
Guns of Roses set. It's like you

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did nothing, but everyone's only a
lovely time then I'm not. I didn't

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watch the Food Fight set myself.
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was looking good and not sounding it. Yeah, I think like he sounded

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bad A lot of this like worst
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like, oh, come on,
Like it wasn't like he was bad.

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The bound sounded super tight and they're
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field seemed to be enjoying it.
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these songs, but I don't want
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in, Like dude lived through side, like he's had a life, you

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know, if he can't hit those
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like I've seen he's just live in
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he does not sound good, but
you're normally very keen to give old rock

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bands a kick up the end.
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when I saw everyone else doing it, and I was kind of just like,

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it feels a bit mean at this
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be too mean on this one because
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Welcome to the Jungle one, they
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I'm like, in with Axel being
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it, like it's a weird thing
with X sign because you've got twenty years

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of being fucking terrible and then two
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six or so years of being too, and then was just disappointed all over

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again. And it's like this,
no one has said a word for twenty

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years. Everything was fine, and
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great. There is one good thing
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the ACXL. Rose I think actually
called out the guy from the Independent and

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the Telegraph by name or something,
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It may you come facts a row. You've gotta be ready to deal with

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it. He's got history. Yeah, it turns of counteracting that, it

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should be said. The Queens of
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like I've watched a couple of sets
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us reviewing the album last week,
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a start, opening five songs of
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The Lost Art of Keeping a Secret, My God is the Sun, Smooth

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Sailing Little Sister. If I saw
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songs in that order, I would
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would do a backflip. That is
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a clip was you know, go
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a song for the Dead and Josh, you're out the front. They're being

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like, I fucking run this place. You don't move till I say move,

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And then that riff coming in.
It's like proper cock shore swagger and

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power. Great to see them back
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ump, properly brilliant. Bodes super
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The Food Fighters also have announced a
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There was a lot of theorizing about
like whether that rules them out of a

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download performance or not, And I
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Very very clearly it would, wouldn't
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download in the midst of a stadium
room. Yeah. And into music from

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the last couple of weeks that we
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I'm sure most of you were aware
of by now, but we should check

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in on the fact that Baroness have
returned and they have announced their new albums

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Stone is going to be out September
the fifteenth, and they released a single

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from that last word. Another one
of these cases where we've brought a band

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back the hotel you have been teasing
something. They're touring there. They've announced

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a tour like in America. I'm
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club package, you know what.
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doing it. Yeah, but I'm
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They said they were done with colors
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cover art for this, considering they've
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color palette, it almost kind of
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there, doesn't it all their album? Yeah? Obviously John Basilely album art

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is always amazing, but there was
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oh, there's lots of different colors
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like you know, there is a
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and like green and yellow. It's
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the amount of people I was like, I should want to listen to

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Baroness simply just because of how good
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you should listen to Baroness because they're
fucking brilliant. But yes, and the

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song last word. As a song, it's got a big old riff.

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I've got to again, I've got
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the melodies really stick around to the
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had a big old riff. And
my main takeaway from it was hearing that

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big old riff and hearing the production
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them moving away from flaming lips man
who made them all sound like a you

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know, an iPhone speaker. It's
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Yeah, this has got heffed to
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so no that I'm still not entirely
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but the main kind of just hooks
the main riffs. This is what I

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want from Baroness. I'm loving this. Well. They sound like a band

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again, which I mean Purple is
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I had really good songs on it, but the mix or the production whatever

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it was, made those records feel
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it's nice you also listen to a
Baroness record or a song at least without

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feeling like you need to wear a
snorkele, because just having that space between

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the instruments and that interplay makes it
so much more refreshing. Like John and

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Gina, I think sound amazing in
the second half. That's the thing that

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makes me really excited about this next
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quality, which, like I said
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just suits them more than maybe any
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again curious to have the first record
that's not a color and you know

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that cover again being all the different
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yeah, I don't know if it's
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I'm pretty I'm always excited, but
particularly excited after this. Yeah. Like

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I said, for me, the
big win from this hint just to hearing

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the song with its own was Sonically
it sounds great, and I'm excited to

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get an album of Baroness material that
I'll probably like because I always like Baroness

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material. But it sounds like it's
going to actually sound really strong as well.

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So in terms of getting me excited
for the album, I want more

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stuff where with a world like this
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that's definitely a positive. Cannibal Corpse
also have come back with a new

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album very quick. I couldn't believe
how quickly we're getting a Cannibalorps record at

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this time. The last time they
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I guess Torture and a Skeletal Domain
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years, which is the same as
this. But I couln't believe we had

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to fall up to violence on a
manion so quickly. It's called Chaos Horrific,

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which is just great, just smashing
words together. It's gonna be out

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in September the twenty second. How's
this for a tour? They're touring in

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the US with Mayhem Gore Gut some
Blood Incantation along with them. That is

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an unbelievable with Night of Extreme Metal. But this song they've released to make

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called blood Bind. The first riff
in it feels like a fucking like monster

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truck grinding your skull into a pulp. It's unbelievably heavy the opening riff in

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this song. The rest of the
song is good, but I'm so like

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bowled over by just the opening like
minute of it. I'm just like,

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oh, I don't really know what
happens after that point. I'm just squashed

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over that riff, dirty and nasty
as well as just being really fucking heavy,

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and there's almost consider It feels like
it gets a bit more clean and

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polished once you get past that first
riff in a way, because he's just

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disgusting. But yeah, good first
impression on that riff, and I like

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it's Cannibal corpusng in it, like
like they do really good death metal and

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they still do. I think this
is a banger, Yeah, Eric Rutern.

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I mean, he can stay for
as long as he likes. He

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knows how to write a groaning,
diseased riff, and then when the tempo

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kicks in, Cannibal Corpse have that
temple tempo which is perfect for slow circle

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pits, and no one else can
get even closer doing it to their level

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in thirty five years later, no
one's come close. Yeah the other this

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is a great new single and lyrically, I mean, Cannibal Corps lyrics have

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kind of moved away from where they
used to be, But I was really

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this is one of the more what
are you want about? Case I should

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do? You're trying I was trying
to what does blood blind boo? What

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does blood blind even mean? Is
it as nonsensical as the fall Out Boy

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song we're going to talk about?
Oh not quite yeah. I mean it's

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one of the things where you always
trying to work out what the horrible thing

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George's describing, and I still love
no clue, but it's an ideal,

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sweaty death hell show fair song.
Just quickly on Eric Routan, I thought

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it was interesting when they release a
single sometimes, like when bands announced an

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album have a single with it,
they have like one member to a quote

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like, you know this song,
we thought it would be the good first

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single from the album for XX reasons. Our albums really pushed it to the

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limit whatever. The quote that came
with the album was from Eric Rutan where

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it was like, I really wanted
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And I think it's fascinating that,
like I've never seen that before, where

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like the mouthpiece quote for the announcement
of an album goes to the member who's

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just joined on the album before.
I know he's been involved with canterbal Courts

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for a longer period than that,
and he's a legend in his own right,

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But that was a very fascinating move
when I guess shows that obviously the

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level of sort of trust and respect
and how just quickly has become a center

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part of the Cannibal courts fold.
The fact that, you know, the

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first word in the album campaign didn't
go to Alex Webster, didn't go to

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anyone else who's been in the band
for a long period of time. I

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went to Eric Rutan. But yeah, exciting the arm. They've also got

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a new album out on August the
twenty fifth that's called Perfect Saviors. The

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last one, Ultrapop, was a
mad record that a lot of people I'm

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aland I'm still trying to get their
heads around, so better hurry up because

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there's a new one coming. And
also a band I am a big,

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big fan of called Maggot Heart,
have announced that they've got a new album

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called Hunger that was going out of
September the twenty ninth. I really really

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liked that band. They are very
very good, jagged modern post punk.

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They've released a single from this it's
really really good as well, So that's

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coming out. As mentioned, the
most baffling piece of music, certainly of

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this week, maybe of the year
I don't know goes to another than Fallout

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Boy, who lest we forget,
have released their best album in like fifteen

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years earlier this year. It's not
the highest bar in the world. We

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weren't enamored by the album, but
it does have the first good Fallout Boy

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material on it, I would say, of the reunion era. So they

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were slightly more in their good books
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they do one of the most I
don't understand why you've done this thing they

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have ever done in their entire career, Like they must be stopped like this

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is I'm like, I saw someone
just glide them as hack fucks off the

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back of this, and I'm like, I agree with you this, Like

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it's mainly because they have completely missed
the point of the song they're covering.

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I mean, on one hand,
you respect the just no fucks given.

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They do whatever they want. That
being in for that boy is probably just

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a massive laugh to them, Like
they probably don't have to take anything seriously.

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They just do whatever batshit things they
fancy shitting out on that particular day.

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But we are of course talking about
their cover of Billy Joels. We

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didn't start the fire which has updated
the lyrics to essentially pick up where Billy

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Joel left off, So it goes
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day. In terms of newsworthy events, they seem but it does seem gotten

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the memo that the only thing that
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point of we Didn't Start the Fire, which has always been a novelty song

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more than a great one. Right, But if there's anything going for we

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Didn't Start the Fire, it's the
idea that it brings you, like we

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The first time I ever heard that
song was in like a secondary school history

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class, right because we were just
learning about America in the twenty your century,

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you know, um, nuclear arms
race, whatever, and it's like,

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oh, here's a song that just
spits all these events at you linear

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fashion, so you remember theogical order. Yes, I don't understand how full

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O boy have forgotten that part of
the pie, you know, because they

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couldn't rhyme it, like it was
like they're just gonna, okay, what

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rhymes When you were rhyming Arab Spring
with Rodney King in the first two lines

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of the song, you've jumped backwards
twenty years there, straight from the Get

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Go SpongeBob Golden State Killer Court.
I don't even like why Rodney King did

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not Rodney King did not die to
immediately be followed by deep fakes, you

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know, earthquakes. I mean,
I already think we didn't start the fight

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as one of the worst songs ever
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I found out they were doing this, I thought, surely they've updated.

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I hope they've updated it, because
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to you're like, why the fuck
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Uni bomb at Uni Bob at John
un bomb at Bob it John bombing Boston

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Marathon in Patrick Stump's voice is not
the one. I like that Tom DeLong

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Aliens has been like deemed significant enough. Maybe historically it will be if he

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is deemed to be the guy who
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earlier the true into you know,
dimension, into cosmic kind of age.

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But the one that kills me is
George Floyd Vine with Metroid. Like Metroid,

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you know, a video game that
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like, I mean that was like
eighty nine nineteen ninety was like a

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Nez game, metroid. You know
this is we're going way back in early

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video game terms, and that's why
he rehymes George Floyd. I even feel

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uncomfortable kind of talking about it,
because obviously we're kind of laughing at how

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ridiculous to move this song is.
But you don't want to be laughing about

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something that's name checking George Floyd and
Rodney King and like a lot. And

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I know that must to some degree
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the fire. Maybe it's because we
are I don't know, distant enough from

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some of those events to kind of
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there's something about really jaunty, upbeat
Patrick Stump saying world trade, second plane?

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What else do I have to say? That's like I don't know why

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we shouldn't been in this timeline where
And then that is something you can hear.

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And let's have the line of like
that nine eleven line, and then

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not just have Patrick Stump comment but
with the worst high school musical backing vocals

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of like we didn't started Yeah,
Like why did no one? Like?

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Sure the number of people this must
have gone through to get released by a

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major label by a big rock band
and for no one to go. I'm

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sorry, the buck stops here.
We are this can't go anything. SpongeBob,

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Golden State Killer got caught Like what
that this is the most like we

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are too, Like we have reached
a point where we are two online,

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where this has been allowed to be
birthed, and you have this kind of

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meme quality to like Shinzo Abbey blown
away. Like that's the way, which

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is if this is meant to be
nostalgic, the way we didn't start the

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fire is you're not going to reminisce
in this order either. You're not gonna

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go Trimber, SpongeBob oh and the
Golden State Kid. Yeah, I don't.

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I don't understand the ordering of at
all. I don't understand who asked

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for it. I don't understand whose
idea it was. Um, I don't

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I do understand what the emotional takeaway
is going to be. Is it going

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to be that Jaunty remember all these
things like the original when they're rhyming George

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Floyd with Metroid? Which does this
mean we get I don't know, like

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young Blood doing the same thing in
another thirty years. Yeah, we're all

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underwater and young Blood is telling us
about how our fucking houses got swept away

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by the great flood. Brilliant.
Yeah, not advisable, melted my brain.

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Not good. Michael Paul from Volbeat
has finally, after years of probably

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ruminating on doing so, as launched
a death metal band. It's called as

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in Hell, which I don't think
is a great name, but it's him

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with the vocalist of the band More
Goth. That's a deep cut for you

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out there that shows his true cred
when he's going for more Goth polls.

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But they've released a song that's called
Fall of the Loyal Warriors from an album

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that's coming out, where Michael was
talking about just his love of band like

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Bolt Thrower and Autopsy and Death and
all this stuff. So I don't imagine

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this is going to, you know, change the game, but it's always

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it's always nice to see someone who
is on the kind of platform of you

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know, Volbeat, legit big band
record. Yeah. I just want to

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write Bolt Thrower songs. And it's
always weird seeing someone like that in a

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press shot and not be front front
and center. Oh yeah, he's just

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hanging out back. There's some guy
you've never heard of. Like stood in

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front of him. It's real weird, but you've allay, I've ever really

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clicked with me other than a couple
of shoes, but they've been a band

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I admired the whole time. So
for me, I think there's yeah,

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cool curio because listening to the new
song, it seems like it's definitely come

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from a place of certainly love and
we were like warm admiration for the style.

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Yeah. Well, I'm still impressed
by a Volbeat doing a Wolf Brigade

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cover on their last album, so
they're always in my good books. From

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that, I reckon it's time for
Mark Tremonty to follow suit and go,

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like right, it's time to do
that Celtic Frost worship project that I've always

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wanted to do, and keep getting
that from these guys say yeah, that's

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cool. Code Orange have announced in
their home area of course of Pittsburgh PETL,

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Pennsylvania, they are going to be
doing Code's World, a one day,

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all day at festival event featuring mad
Ball, Vein, two hundred stab

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Wounds, Pain of Truth, loads
of good stuff, Risk Meat Razor are

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on there and they have added Etown
Concrete in the like like the last day

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or so as well, like,
yeah, so good stuff, Yeah,

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so very cool. I mean,
I'm adagining a kind of Code Orange curated

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event just as a vibe we are
really cool thing to go to. So

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good stuff. They're obviously more on
Code Orange on that there as well later

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and unfortunately, again sticking in the
kind of hardcore front, but really really

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worrying news that's come out today just
before we've been recording this is Year of

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the Knife have been involved last night
in a very serious road accident while on

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tour in the US. And again
evolving situation in terms of exactly where people

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are at at the moment, but
it certainly sounds like there's you know,

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there's some some some broken bones seriously
involved, and also at least one member

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is in a apparently critical condition.
So obviously, I mean, a very

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good band by the all accounts I've
ever heard, really really good people,

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so you know, massive support the
Year of the Knife, and here's hoping

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that the people who have borne the
kind of the brunt of of this this

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damage in this situation pull through because
it sounds seriously fucking, seriously scary and

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seriously awful in terms of the damage
that's been done here, so yeah,

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absolutely, you know, all thoughts
go to the Year of the Knife on

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that one. In terms of releases
today, we're gonna skip over the questions

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because we're doing a big old Fester
or whether you will bring that back win

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next week's hyper Blast. But releases, obviously, this is like three weeks

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worth of releases in here. We're
not going to go over every single thing

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that I'd be mental. This is
kind of the main standout things from each

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of the last couple of weeks.
Luckily today isn't actually all that busy,

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but things we would usually want to
shout out from a couple of weeks ago,

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which was the sixteenth when we did
the download review. King Gizzard and

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the Lizard Wizard released another metal album. It's called Petro Dragonic Apocalypse. King

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Gizard one those bands where I don't
keep up all their releases because he's actually

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mental to do so. But they
did a few years ago release a kind

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of psychedelic thrash metal album, and
this seems to be a sort of spiritual

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sequel to that. So if you
like that band dabbling and thrash metal when

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they do that, was there.
Yours have Royal funder Rebuilding the Mountain,

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who are a fairly long running at
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stonery, doom, kind of a
lot of cool sounds going on in there.

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I've never been a huge I've never
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very respected band at this point.
Now imagine a lot of people are probably

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really into it. Creeping Death,
Boundless Domain. We spoke about the single

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from this when it came out,
and a corpse grinder on it. Kind

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of hardcore influenced death metal. Tsunami
Surprise dropped their self titled LP. This

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is a hardcore band which we will
be talking about later in our outbreak review.

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Vulture Industries goes from the past and
a Norwegian Prague metal homer is where

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the wailer. This is kind of
an emo, screamo type band. Elliott,

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you're a big fan of this band, excited about the fact that they've

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released any One. Well, I
didn't even know this was out until it

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was already out. It completely passed
me, but I became birds from my

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favorite releases of I think it was
twenty twenty one that came out, and

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I've been listening to this over the
last couple weeks and yet fucking excellent.

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Again, very good. We also
have Saturnus and the Storm Within, who

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are a kind of very heavy gothic
death doom band. They only release albums

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like once a decade. I think
it's been about eleven years since the last

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one, so nice to have another
one back from then. And also thy

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Catafalque with Alfold that's a fairly you
know, well established at this point Hungarian

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kind of experimentally black metal project.
Jumping back to last week, the one

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that I forgot was so soon.
I guess it's the fact that Swan's or

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at least that album they're beggar.
I have Corpse, haven't found the time

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to listen to it yet because it's
fucking two hours long, which I don't

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know if we're going to put it
in next month's reviews bag, because I

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can't. Sam is mouthing right now? Please no, please no, I

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can't imagine going, Sam, what
do you make of this two hours?

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One's record? Like the last one? Is? Are doing the album club?

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I actually quite like. I don't
know. That doesn't mean I don't

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two hours of it as my next
step maybe build up today, I don't

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know, but at some point when
I have the hours spare, I will

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listen to the new Swan's album because
well, the mental one about this one

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is that the forty three minute song
isn't on the vinyl, so it's kind

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of a bonus track. Yeah,
maybe that means a review of these shorter

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one hours twenty minute version of a
Swan's The Beggar Trophy, I's Suicide and

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Sunshine. That's more sort of easy
breezy for people. Also Mental Cruelty with

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Zwylicht. We reviewed this band a
couple of years ago. There are kind

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of one the newer school of symphonic
deathcore bands in Hardcourt. Military Gun released

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an album called Life under the Gun. Another band we will be talking about

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in a little bit, but that
album seems like it's going down very very

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well with people over back in the
UK. We've got Burner and it all

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returns to Nothing and an extreme metal
shooter. Norwegian black metal store wats at

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this point at release now called hell
Veggar Zaster has released. I think this

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album's like an hour and forty minutes
long as well inevitably dark. It's called

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it's kind of a mixture of you
know, very low fi us black metal

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and kind of blue grass, the
two areas that he's been involved with.

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There's been some discourse over the last
a few days about Zaster and the fact

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that people are realizing what most of
us are know for a long time,

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which is a fucking weirdo. But
the album is what it is. Also

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one that I'm quite a scited about. A band called Everny Pendant have very

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just out of nowhere surprise dropped their
album. This is one of the better

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bands at the moment in the kind
of raw underground black metal school. If

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you like lamp a Murmur and stuff
like that. Everny Pendant are another band

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I would go maybe you know a
next step in something like that. And

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also a Canadian band are quite a
lot like a lot called Wilt Will He

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Stay? I think it's class as
an EP or a mini album called Hugan

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that's kind of a sort of mixture
of sort of like death doom and black

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metal, bits of agaloc, woods
of Eat Pray, stuff like that.

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And then finally onto today's releases,
which again not loads today, so it's

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a nice little catch up time to
go and listen to two hours of Swans

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or whatever you want to do,
but Loama Creator all least an album called

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Last who are a kind of slightly
experimentally hardcore band. We were talking about

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them when we're doing our Oastbreaker special
not long ago. Was kind of one

404
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,480
of an influencer going in there.
And then to most of today is death

405
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,839
metal for some reason. There's Static
Abyss Aborted from Reality, which is crushed

406
00:25:53,839 --> 00:25:57,160
from autopsies, like other project that
he's just launched up, and he's this

407
00:25:57,279 --> 00:26:02,119
is like his second album in as
many years. I think as a classgow

408
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,039
band called Coffin Mulch, which is
the great name I've seen around a fair

409
00:26:04,079 --> 00:26:07,839
bit. But they've got an arm
called spectral Intercession and another great name Grotesqueries

410
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,079
Vile Crematory, and then the other
things. I'm all sort of like Droney

411
00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:17,240
experimental area of heaviness, carnate a
back with an arm called to be cruel

412
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:22,400
and divide and dissolve with systemic.
And now we are going to talk all

413
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,720
about the time that we had at
this year's Outbreak Festival. Sam. Last

414
00:26:26,759 --> 00:26:30,160
year we had a lowdown from you
about Outbreak Festival and it was a major,

415
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,400
major year for them. It suddenly
leapt up from being a kind of

416
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,799
UK hardcore institution that had been quietly
trucking along for like a decade doing a

417
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,559
great thing for that community, but
suddenly being one of the biggest events in

418
00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:45,720
their heavy music calendar full stop.
I felt like last year, Yeah,

419
00:26:45,799 --> 00:26:49,319
last year was a like again,
it's kind of been building up to last

420
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:55,000
year because of delays and COVID all
that, so they feel like they basically,

421
00:26:55,319 --> 00:26:57,000
oh that of course, just built
up a lineup that was kind of

422
00:26:57,039 --> 00:27:00,359
like, this is what is happening
in hardcorevent. We're getting all of the

423
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,119
most exciting things, We're putting on
the biggest age we can and we're still

424
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:10,119
bringing you that no barrier hardcore experience
and it just it really feel like a

425
00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:11,799
grand event that people sneer that,
but then when you actually got there,

426
00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:15,599
I was kind of like, shit, there's never been anything like this in

427
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,200
the UK. Yeah, there was
all that stuff about signing your mosh waiver

428
00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:21,680
to get your your golden wristband,
your license to mash, your license to

429
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,480
stage divals, and I think this
is kind of like hardcore law now of

430
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:30,200
what felt like again, like a
UK hardcore festival leveling up into a space

431
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,640
where people were like whoa, this
is actually this is pretty serious. Six

432
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,440
thousand capacity, like, you know, six thousand moshes in one room,

433
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,799
like big deal. And the fact
that this year they didn't just repeat that,

434
00:27:41,839 --> 00:27:42,640
they didn't just go, oh yeah, a really good thing going,

435
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,400
they went even bigger. You can't
fault them for boldness, right Like they'd

436
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,640
already made one of the biggest hardcore
events on the planet last year in the

437
00:27:52,519 --> 00:27:56,960
Bowls Exhibition Center, a no barrier
show of that size with the necessary waivers

438
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,799
and etc. To like almost double
the size of that again to a ten

439
00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:06,839
thousand capacity room and at the same
time majorly shake up the lineup and what

440
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,559
kind of things you were going to
see at an Outbreak in order to achieve

441
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,559
that. And you know, we've
we've seen festivals in recent years kind of

442
00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:18,119
collapse or pay the price when they
swing two bold too soon. And there

443
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:23,799
were certain reactions online around doubters of
the either the scale of the event or

444
00:28:23,839 --> 00:28:29,000
what the policy they had with the
lineup, those kind of things going into

445
00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:34,680
it. Outbreak twenty twenty three became
very intriguing as a test, right like,

446
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,599
it's a kind of it was like
an experimental idea, Can this be

447
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:44,160
pulled off at this size with this
genre mixed lineup. I mean, it

448
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:45,240
was one of those things you like, you must after houses of the last

449
00:28:45,319 --> 00:28:48,519
words, you do mts go well, you know, they'll just go safe

450
00:28:48,519 --> 00:28:52,359
bet again, befall the sang hardcore
staff. But there was kind of that

451
00:28:52,359 --> 00:28:55,119
because lastly there was that intrigue of
can they pull off a hardcore shore on

452
00:28:55,119 --> 00:28:56,799
this scale? And this was kind
of like, well, now can they

453
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,359
broaden out the lineup and these these
new these different acts I've pulled in,

454
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,640
are people going to go through it? Or is it going to be you

455
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,440
know, really well attendive for the
hardcore bands and then emptiness for anything that

456
00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:11,240
isn't your typical Outbreak fair. So
there was a curiosity again going in.

457
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,039
Yeah, so I myself, I
really wanted to see how it happened this

458
00:29:15,079 --> 00:29:17,680
time. There were some big draws
that very much drew me to it.

459
00:29:18,039 --> 00:29:18,720
I wanted to go last year,
but I didn't make it happen, so

460
00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:25,440
I was happy to join you this
time Outbreak Festival. The last time I

461
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,039
had gone to Outbreak Festival is Outbreak
twenty and eighteen, which was when it

462
00:29:29,119 --> 00:29:33,240
still took place in the Canal Mills
in Leeds in a kind of a sort

463
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,799
of warehouse situation, and I felt
very much like, you know, I

464
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:41,480
think it was Jesus Peace played that
year, and I believe Aaron from the

465
00:29:41,519 --> 00:29:44,240
stage said, this year was like
last time we played Outbreak Festival, it

466
00:29:44,359 --> 00:29:47,680
didn't look like this, and that
was how I felt as well. It

467
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,759
was like, this is such a
completely different it might as well be a

468
00:29:51,759 --> 00:29:55,359
different event to the one I went
to five years ago, you said,

469
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:56,920
But then I imagine there will be
to you watching like oh, this still

470
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:02,160
feels like oh yeah again when you're
watching at stage and the bodies are flying

471
00:30:02,359 --> 00:30:06,160
yeah, for the likes of Tsunami
or Speed, even though these are newer

472
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,000
bands have come along, you get
that sense of like, it's impressive that

473
00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:17,519
they can still translate that that hardcore
intimacy in a room that size is like

474
00:30:17,599 --> 00:30:21,279
as an impressive feel absolutely what I
meant. It was like the you know,

475
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:22,400
the Holy Ship we get in Kansas
Anymore type feel. It was like

476
00:30:22,519 --> 00:30:26,839
proper it was the event that I, you know, i'd been to.

477
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,880
And again the type of bands,
largely in the kind of reaction they got

478
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:34,160
largely was in recognizable hardcore event.
But the fact that it had leveled up

479
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,319
the way it had in those five
years. I mean even from last year,

480
00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:41,400
it sounds like it was a sizeable, you know, different thing going

481
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,920
on. In terms of the venue
itself, it's the Depot Mayfield in Manchester,

482
00:30:45,079 --> 00:30:52,279
right opposite Manchester Piccadilly Station. I
thought the venue itself was a really

483
00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:56,559
great space for for this. Again, even having not gone to the BC

484
00:30:56,759 --> 00:31:00,799
last year, I've been to the
BC at Damnation and again I think that's

485
00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:03,559
a really cool venue for what damnation
I've going on. But I really seeing

486
00:31:03,559 --> 00:31:10,279
this huge space that this place was. That main room is massive, because

487
00:31:10,359 --> 00:31:12,839
it was when I came in and
it looked like actually the the the front

488
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:18,039
space the Golden Rist podcast looked smaller
weirdly than last year because it was kind

489
00:31:18,079 --> 00:31:19,720
of like was alstale. It felt
wider, but it actually wasn't. It

490
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:25,279
was just because the room occupied was
so much bigger that having this kind of

491
00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:30,759
like front space looked. The Golden
wristbound space alone is like the size of

492
00:31:30,759 --> 00:31:33,960
the venue I went to in twenty
eighteen to see Outbreak Once upon a Time

493
00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:41,680
and particularly I obviously the tiered stage
that they had really really played its played

494
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,039
its role in terms of people constantly
you know, diving from that stage,

495
00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:48,079
moving across it and so on.
But in a way where no one's stamping

496
00:31:48,119 --> 00:31:52,559
on any guitar pedals, no equipment
is getting ticking a mic stand and snapping

497
00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:56,640
it, yeah, getting sucked up
whatever. Really it feels like a really

498
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,720
good place to have outbreak festival.
Like I know, they they upgraded from

499
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,240
the Beat, so I would like
it now to sort of stay where it

500
00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:04,160
is. I think it, Like
I say, next next year is books

501
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,079
for defamation again. They like there
were definitely you know, there were I

502
00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:09,519
think a number of improvements that were
made from moving to this venue, the

503
00:32:09,599 --> 00:32:14,240
infamous kind of like no one could
get anything to eat last year dinner.

504
00:32:14,279 --> 00:32:16,240
I think I qued five minutes of
food. Like food stores were plentiful.

505
00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:22,160
There was nice outdoor spaces. There
was one particular issue which we will get

506
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:23,880
onto when it comes to sun.
Yeah, it will put a pin in

507
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:28,839
that and come back round to that
because I mean we can't spoil like you

508
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,200
know, the like actual thing of
like how bad it got until the sun.

509
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,160
Yeah, But I mean again,
I liked the venue itself. There

510
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,519
was the kind of no reentry policy
which a couple of people have sort of,

511
00:32:38,519 --> 00:32:43,599
you know, raised annoyances about I
didn't really have a problem with it,

512
00:32:44,079 --> 00:32:45,839
Like I saw people kind of got
wending, like, well, I've

513
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,119
got stuck in paying for overpriced food
and drink some like. But isn't that

514
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,960
every festival technically, Yeah, I
know. It's like you can bring in

515
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,799
a meal deal, you know,
and it's like they weren't searching you and

516
00:32:58,839 --> 00:33:00,720
conflicuenting food. So again, buy
a meal deal before you go in.

517
00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:04,640
I had like a couple of cereal
bars in my pocket before I went in,

518
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,079
that kind of thing. And the
food it was normal priced for festival

519
00:33:08,079 --> 00:33:10,200
food, right, and it was
really good. It was some of the

520
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,960
best festival food I've had, I'll
be honest, Lighters, much as it

521
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,880
was, it wasn't cheap, but
it wasn't. Yeah, they weren't ripping

522
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,640
you off compared to other festivals.
Yeah. You can even go get a

523
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,880
free haircut if you were booked in
the appropriate appointment. And again, the

524
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,720
stage itself like the gott imagine.
I mean, obviously some of us were

525
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,680
on that stage. We weren't really
taking the time to get good views from

526
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:30,799
it, right, We were jumping
from one side or the other. But

527
00:33:30,839 --> 00:33:34,960
the view from the stage looking out
over that room must be huge, and

528
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,440
if you're in one of those bands, it must be like, whoa this

529
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:38,799
is? I mean, therese are
humors. You could see some of the

530
00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:43,039
bands actually in a little bit of
disbelief about what they're saying. Yeah,

531
00:33:43,079 --> 00:33:46,519
and also give credit to Outbreak as
well. They responded to feedback very quickly,

532
00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:50,599
because again, there are things about
it that you hope they address next

533
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,480
years in terms of maybe moving certain
things or whatever. But we you've noticed

534
00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:57,359
again on the second day of the
event, all of a sudden, loads

535
00:33:57,359 --> 00:34:00,680
of chairs are popped out that weren't
there on the first daid because first day

536
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,000
people gone, there's nowhere to sit. And the very next morning shiploads of

537
00:34:04,079 --> 00:34:07,880
chairs that appeared merch queue actually organized
and so they were controlling the flow of

538
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,719
people going into the merch space.
Like I was like, I'm glad to

539
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:14,159
see they are responding and kind of
like picking up on complaints. So it

540
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:15,719
feels like they are taking it seriously. They're not, you know, just

541
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,360
about light yeah, but like yeah, yeah, we're listening and doing that.

542
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,119
So while there are things about Outbreak
of this year that will have become

543
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:28,840
kind of infamous. Compared to the
last few weeks of festivals that we've spoken

544
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:34,119
about and some of the very serious
organizational errors that were going on that were,

545
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,599
you know, crippling people's ability to
enjoy the weekend at all, Outbreak

546
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:42,360
actually seemed pretty well put together.
I was saying that this is the first

547
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,880
they had proper like disabled viewing platforms
that seemed to actually be quite reasonably space.

548
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,000
I know that they weren't loads people, but I saw a couple of

549
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,679
people in wheelchairs around the weekend and
like them getting into an actual viewing space.

550
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,000
I was like, yeah, good, like that. That's nicely that

551
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,719
that they've taken down board this year
as well. Yeah, Friday, we're

552
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,840
going to go through all of our
that we saw, probably not in the

553
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,599
most intensive detail for every one of
them, but I mean, for a

554
00:35:04,639 --> 00:35:07,840
start, as a hardcore fest,
so so many bands were playing like twenty

555
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,159
minute sets, which I still find
of nice in refreshing. You didn't have

556
00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:14,000
too long to get bored of any
one particular band. It was. It

557
00:35:14,039 --> 00:35:15,719
would come and it'd hit you,
and then just as quickly it'd be often

558
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:22,119
about a cool nice I enjoyed that
onto something else but Friday. The first

559
00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:25,440
band who opened up the main stage
is Pest Control, who are a UK

560
00:35:25,559 --> 00:35:29,400
crossover thrash band who we've mentioned a
couple times. We're kind of popping up

561
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,159
on a lot of different bills.
They're doing the rounds at the moment.

562
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,199
They are one of the most kind
of like hard working. They are grinding

563
00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:38,639
out shows and they're getting better every
time as well. I saw him a

564
00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:43,159
couple of months ago. See what
I enjoyed about Pest Control here compared to

565
00:35:43,159 --> 00:35:45,360
again, you saw them with Creator, me and Elliot I missed the Creator.

566
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,400
I saw them with Scowl. Oh
right, okay, well they were

567
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,519
on The Creator as well. Yeah, but me and Elliot saw them.

568
00:35:51,559 --> 00:35:54,360
We were right. But compared to
those where it was like, you know,

569
00:35:54,559 --> 00:35:58,280
small band, didn't really know who
they were, just to you know,

570
00:35:58,519 --> 00:36:01,400
a support slot, impress us type
affair. When they opened the main

571
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:06,800
stage, Outbreak. There's something about
Outbreak that again, one of the concerns

572
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,960
people had with it is like it's
it's UK hardcore's biggest event. We want

573
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,920
to see UK bands on the bill, and if you overstuff the bill with

574
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:21,519
lots of you know, international acts
and then you start piling on the big

575
00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:23,119
hip hop hats and all this kind
of thing is like where's the room for

576
00:36:23,159 --> 00:36:25,760
the UK hardcore bands at the UK
Hardcore Festival and so on. But there

577
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:31,599
was something about pest Control coming on
opening the main stage that felt like as

578
00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:37,400
opposed to that just nothing you know, against impress or support slot. It

579
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:45,079
was like people are turned up four
pest Control with this real like homegrown grassroots

580
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:50,679
support and see the people who had
clearly been into pest Control getting to see

581
00:36:50,679 --> 00:36:52,400
them play on that stage as the
first band on. I mean, like

582
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:57,800
again, the pink pest Control cap
was like an item you saw around site.

583
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,119
So it was like again, a
very new band, a small band.

584
00:37:02,159 --> 00:37:06,159
I've only heard of them in the
last few months, but they opened

585
00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:09,519
the main stage and it was like
fuck, yeah, people are here for

586
00:37:09,639 --> 00:37:15,079
this UK band, their hometown again, you know, growth for growth affair,

587
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,760
and people were going for it.
Yeah. I mean like I always

588
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,480
said that they were really made good
picks opening the main stage each day,

589
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:27,840
which meant there was always a crowd
there for the opening band, and that's

590
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,599
when they want to kill all the
festal being a UK band that people were

591
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:34,199
excited about, and you see the
opening bands of fest for sometimes and you

592
00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:37,920
know it's it's a very polite reception. Nothing polite about the reception to a

593
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:42,559
pest control here. People were wasting
no time getting on stage. It was

594
00:37:42,599 --> 00:37:45,360
like five minutes in and I've seen
two card wheels across the stage. Yeah,

595
00:37:46,639 --> 00:37:49,800
full on. Everyone was so in
on it from the moment, going

596
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,760
like they're just a really because you
know, I'm not so familiar with the

597
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,239
songs yet, but if you just
want you to know, like hardcore teens,

598
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,400
frash metal with the beat downs and
just loads of riffs, loads of

599
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,920
attitude, easy shaped metal guitars,
they're all holding yeah, and they're all

600
00:38:02,199 --> 00:38:06,840
like sunglasses and that they are living
their eighties fresh fantasy on stage. Pets

601
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,920
control. But it's really infectious and
that that energy went into the crowd and

602
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:14,719
it made it just a really fun
opening half hour to the debt to the

603
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,480
whole festival. Yeah, and again
the fact that people turned up for this

604
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:23,719
newer band and really were like,
you know, UK hardcore event, let's

605
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,760
go, let's celebrate our minds and
everything. I thought it set a really

606
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,039
good precedent for the rest of the
weekend. Next up was one of those

607
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,480
imported acts and it's one who are
particularly kind of buzzy at the moment,

608
00:38:35,559 --> 00:38:38,320
mentioned them before releasing their album.
Not long before the festival, Tsunami came

609
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,039
on the main stage, and Tsunami
are, like I said, they're one

610
00:38:42,039 --> 00:38:46,320
of them. They remind me of
before Gultch released their album and just kind

611
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,920
of from hardcore circles, all you
heard was like Gulch Goltz, Gulch golt

612
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,280
Gults, but the rest of us
didn't necessarily have like a lot to go

613
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:57,079
on. Just yeah, that's what
the word around Tsunami has kind of felt

614
00:38:57,119 --> 00:39:00,920
like. And when they came out, it's almost like Trey's Core, right,

615
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,599
because they turn off and it's just
like Tsunami style, motherfucker Triple B

616
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,760
style. It's like, if you
don't know their record label, it is

617
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:07,599
Triple but it's like, what what
have you just said to me? Like

618
00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:12,159
what the fuck? He just like
whipping out all of these like just phrases.

619
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,039
And I thought, more than it
is particularly great musically, because I've

620
00:39:16,039 --> 00:39:21,559
listened to the record, it's,
you know, fifteen minutes of just fight

621
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:27,199
yeah whatever. But more than it
is particularly accomplished musically, it's just very

622
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,239
aggressive, isn't it really I like
that Tsunami record quite a lot because I

623
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,800
again, I can go for a
seventeen minute hard yeah, like I'll never

624
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,920
tire of that because it's just you
know, music that just brings joy to

625
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:43,360
me. But there is something.
Yeah, it's so aggro and just like

626
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,119
wants to fight you at any moment, Like it's about Tsunami. It's not

627
00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:49,760
original, not clever, but when
they just come on and you've got this

628
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,719
massive Bruce Willis backdrop, Yeah,
that was brilliant. Their backdrop was rather

629
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,719
than any band thing or anything,
it was just a it was like an

630
00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:00,679
energy drink advert, wasn't it.
It was like Bruce Willis is see looming

631
00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:04,800
face over them holding a few cans
of energy drink, and the Bruce Willis

632
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,440
backdrop became quite an iconic image of
Outbreak this year. Yeah, everyone just

633
00:40:08,679 --> 00:40:12,480
I think it could have again it
warmed them to people might be familiar,

634
00:40:12,519 --> 00:40:15,480
but really, like we're gonna talk
about a lot of sets that were very

635
00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:19,960
similar to what Tsunami delivered here,
Like this was kind of like the bread

636
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,599
and butter for a lot of bands, and there are there are bands who

637
00:40:22,639 --> 00:40:24,679
are in the similar kind of new
wave of hardcore that are doing more interesting

638
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:30,599
creative things in Tsunami, but in
terms of just infectious Larry Fight music,

639
00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:36,760
agro violent hardcore that's just like bursting
with energy at every second. I just

640
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,519
found it such an enjoyable set.
Were they the band with the pig squeal

641
00:40:38,559 --> 00:40:40,519
bit? Was that them? I
can't remember what band it was who just

642
00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:45,480
suddenly started pig squealing. It was
then more Speed, wasn't it. It

643
00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:46,840
was one of those two, I
think, right was Tsunami And then we

644
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,320
just was like, ah, yeah, yeah, that was good. So

645
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,800
just punching all over the stage.
Um one of the biggest sort of I

646
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:58,920
guess musical deviations of at least again
his first run of bands. Outbreak was

647
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:00,599
one of the ones that really caught
my ear, which is an't called Fleshwater,

648
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:06,320
who contain a lot of members of
Vein. They're part of that kind

649
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,159
of dot FM family of kind of
Vein related projects that they've sort of branded

650
00:41:10,159 --> 00:41:15,239
themselves as. And before I tweaked
that, I was listening to again,

651
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:16,719
I was listening to like an Outbreak
playlist before going to the event, just

652
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,239
checking out what was going on,
and I thought, oh, this sounds

653
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,840
a bit like some of the kind
of alternative rock Vein bits, like when

654
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,159
they did that EP between the albums
and stuff like that, and then it

655
00:41:24,199 --> 00:41:27,400
made an awful lot of sense.
I was like, Ah, that's why,

656
00:41:27,559 --> 00:41:30,199
because it's the guys from Vain.
And then when you watch them on

657
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:35,679
stage and you see how they're playing
shoe gays and they're still a like attacking

658
00:41:35,679 --> 00:41:37,440
those of a similar fosity, like
you go, oh, yeah, course

659
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:42,599
this is Vain doing shoega I think
it's like Vein's frontman plays guitar and does

660
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,199
vocals on some of the songs.
They also have another singer who really took

661
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,360
over as the set went on and
kind of gave it her own kind of

662
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:52,440
characteristic. I liked flesh Water quite
a lot. I think I really enjoyed.

663
00:41:52,559 --> 00:41:53,760
Yeah, I think the album.
Listening to the album and it's very

664
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:58,639
good. Um and there's again it's
that alternative rock, but with that like

665
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,280
dirgy heaviness to her that it's not
the kind of float away type shoegay.

666
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:06,360
There's a real like dirt under the
fingernails type feel that you get with the

667
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,039
Vein related projects. Yeah, it's
got a sort of jagging this and in

668
00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:15,119
intensity along with the kind of like
nicer shoe like melodic shoegaze moments, and

669
00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:17,440
it's Merissa Shoa, I think is
the vocalist. She's got that of just

670
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,519
like real nineties coolness sort of thing. Yeah. I think there's a York

671
00:42:21,639 --> 00:42:24,440
cover on the album that they opened
with. I think, um so like

672
00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:29,760
and it's funny like for a shoecase
set. They powered through this so quickly

673
00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:34,119
they played. I timed it.
They played for seventeen minutes. It was

674
00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:37,280
like proper in and out hardcore set
that with these big, kind of dirgy

675
00:42:37,639 --> 00:42:42,159
melodic rock songs. Yeah, and
I think I actually made them sound because

676
00:42:42,159 --> 00:42:44,519
I think some of the shoegaze bands, which is Gonna I enjoyed, but

677
00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:47,480
felt a little bit like they kind
of got a bit washy at times.

678
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:52,599
Narrow Heads were going to for example
on the Saturday, but Fleshwater just being

679
00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:58,559
so just like in and out,
really high energy and really punchy made them

680
00:42:59,079 --> 00:43:01,440
like an interesting kind of spin on
what the huge stuff was. Yeah.

681
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,880
Again, a few people said that
the sound wasn't perfect for them, but

682
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,320
I think the overall vibe landed pretty
well and they have got some really good

683
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,880
songs on that album. Kurt Blow
was watching from the side of the stage,

684
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:15,079
and he was very praiseworthy on social
media afterwards, So maybe that's a

685
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:16,280
relationship can be built there. I
don't know, but Flash of Water I

686
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,920
was impressed by. I thought was
cool. Went over to the second stage

687
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,679
and caught a bit of a band
called C four, which, again when

688
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,880
I was looking at the bands prior
to the event, I was in dear

689
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,280
to them by the fact that one
of their top songs is called Crush Your

690
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,480
Enemies, which made just think about
kind of cone in the barbarian like manner

691
00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:34,239
war style, you know, heavy
metal. This is like obviously it was

692
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,239
hardcore, but it had like a
power violence edge of really really short songs,

693
00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:42,440
and that particularly came to its funniest
point when they went we have one

694
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:47,880
more song. That was it.
Also the singer did an incredible like elbow

695
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,199
drop into the crowd that made both
of you like fear, made both of

696
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:57,800
us WHOA. That was a hell
of them. Yeah, they had like

697
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:02,360
a real nasty, like violent weight
to them, And I said that power

698
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:07,280
bands like the burst of songs while
still having the against the dirty and low

699
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,719
end kind of heaviness. I thought, see four were. What we caught

700
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:14,400
them was was impressed. Yeah.
I think we caught like six or seven

701
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,000
minutes or something, but that was
about ten songs, so probably about half

702
00:44:17,039 --> 00:44:20,400
of their sets. So there you
go, Koyo. We're up next on

703
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,679
the main stage. I stuck around
at the second stage to watch a demonstration

704
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:28,400
of power. Were there with me
with a demosition of power. I ran

705
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,920
off to have a look around merch, get food, and then I came

706
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:35,559
back and caught most of demonstration of
power. Okay, Glasgow, Glasgow,

707
00:44:36,119 --> 00:44:39,239
Glasgow, I mean you can call
it, could say Glasgow hardcore band Again.

708
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,679
People talking about wanting to see UK
hardcore bands on the bill and so

709
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,639
on. So all the huge crowd
on that second stage. Yeah, and

710
00:44:45,679 --> 00:44:47,880
again for a band from from that
kind of region, big crowds, and

711
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:52,719
I think again you could see something
like Outbreak Festival is like an opportunity for

712
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:53,800
bands from kind of all of these
different corners of the UK, like you

713
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,880
had like Rough Justice as well from
Sheffield, all kind of coming to this

714
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,639
space and showing sort of you know, we're here, what can we do?

715
00:45:01,679 --> 00:45:05,039
How can we represent you know again
our home scene and so on,

716
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,039
and you know, for people who
are from where they are. It's almost

717
00:45:07,039 --> 00:45:12,400
like a historic thing seeing your local
band playing to a huge outbreak crowd like

718
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,599
that. Again, I know a
few people who are involved with the Glasgow

719
00:45:14,599 --> 00:45:19,239
hardcore scene and they're very intense about
it, like Glasgow hardcore means like everything

720
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,280
to them life. So I'm sure
this was very very exciting to see that

721
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,559
going on. Yeah, I was
impressed by demision of the Power. Again,

722
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:30,760
not anything particularly unique about them,
but they had a real presence the

723
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:35,559
energy from the room. They were
sort of feeding off it way to it

724
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,840
mean like I mean, there was
a real conviction to the performance and again

725
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,920
making the most of the opportunity that
made it more memorable than it might perhaps.

726
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,800
Yeah, there were a couple of
bands this weekend, most notably These

727
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,239
and Pain of Truth, who I
didn't see but you did and we'll talk

728
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,280
about it later, but listening to
them put it at the forefront of my

729
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,239
mind how much Early Hate Breed is
still like a huge influence on a lot

730
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,719
of new hardcore bands, because a
lot of it just sounds like satisfaction is

731
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,599
the death of desire still, Yeah, Because I mean, like, if

732
00:46:01,639 --> 00:46:05,119
you want to sell it anything hardcore, that's a good things are going to

733
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,119
draw from, Let's be honest.
But yeah, that's what mean so again,

734
00:46:08,199 --> 00:46:12,719
not particularly as all, but the
power, the way, the aggression,

735
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,880
the intensity is there. So channel
that in a room of people who

736
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,599
are really into it and like it's
hard not to get swept up. Yeah,

737
00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:22,280
no pressure back on the main stage, which I had kind of forgotten

738
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,840
that they existed, but Mark made
me listen to them a little while ago.

739
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:30,679
But no pressure. It's Parker Cannon
from the story so far essentially doing

740
00:46:30,679 --> 00:46:35,079
a Salem. It's him having a
project where he does very short, fast,

741
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,440
heavier versions of essentially what he normally
does anyway, or you used to

742
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,559
do with the story so far anyway. Yeah, let's so with the newer

743
00:46:40,599 --> 00:46:43,639
Brit rock influence. But that's what
I'm saying. It's, you know,

744
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,320
full on just pacy pop punk,
none of the britpop stuff or whatever on

745
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:52,599
record. Because I've gone back to
it since seeing it again, it falls

746
00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:55,320
into that kind of like modern pop
punk my asthma to me of like slightly

747
00:46:55,360 --> 00:47:00,159
sickly sounds and not a lot of
it really sticking. But here in the

748
00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:05,719
flesh at a full on rowdy punk
events, I can't believe how many favors

749
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,119
this did it and how like energetic
and uh you know, wrapping you up

750
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:13,559
in it. This this no pressure
set was It was like the atmosphere and

751
00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:16,960
the intensity of the response. I
couldn't believe how many people like really knew

752
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:22,360
the songs and we're like full on, like a louder response than I imagine

753
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:23,440
the story so far. I have
got one at certain show as if they're

754
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,280
at a festival and a support slot
or whatever, like people were fucking there.

755
00:47:28,199 --> 00:47:30,000
It reminds me of that when I
saw the story so far really early

756
00:47:30,039 --> 00:47:34,760
on, and how and the kind
of really rabid, fired up reaction they

757
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,079
got. And yeah, like for
you know, probably the least heavy band

758
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:42,000
on the main stage so far,
being the one that is purely relying on

759
00:47:42,039 --> 00:47:45,679
like pop punk melodies, even if
the engine is a bit more hardcore tinged

760
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,760
in that kind of like aggression and
pace, but they are you know,

761
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:52,239
big singles. People were going for
that mic and it was it was nice

762
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,159
to see Parker Canon kind of feed
off that energy. So who can subdom

763
00:47:54,199 --> 00:47:57,559
to be a bit stand off?
Yeah, there were loads of people around

764
00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:00,800
it on stage and he wasn't kicking
them off yeah, like, you know,

765
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:01,679
after years of building a reputation of
being, you know, a bit

766
00:48:01,679 --> 00:48:05,719
of an agro dick on stage.
I think has always been a bit more

767
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:10,159
standoffish and reserved, but he seemed
to really thrive off of the people flocking

768
00:48:10,159 --> 00:48:14,079
around him trying to get the mic, the constant stage dives like because he

769
00:48:14,199 --> 00:48:15,920
like were like, yeah, all
the finger guns out. It was I

770
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,679
I had a lot of fun watching
No Pressure. Yeah, it was a

771
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,760
very energetic showing. And that was
followed by Military Gun, where we had

772
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:28,880
like a good run here of kind
of melodic pun melodic single loong type stuff.

773
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,760
A military Gun, which again I
had only heard of fairly recently.

774
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,360
Apparently it's the guy from Regional Justice
Center who we reviewed on the show.

775
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:38,719
I didn't know that. I didn't
know that reasonal Just Center had even gone

776
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,320
on hiatus, which is a shame
because in terms of musically, I probably

777
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,000
prefer that one. It's more sort
of my speed of yeah, literal speed,

778
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:51,880
but Military Gun it's kind of laid
back, feel good, like rock

779
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,199
influenced. There's the opening track or
the album they just released that we mentioned,

780
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:58,920
the rething, which is literally ACD
literally an ACDC riff and then he

781
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,079
goes on it, which is always
fun, but like really it's another one

782
00:49:02,119 --> 00:49:06,280
that on record might kind of pass
me by a little bit. But for

783
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:07,760
a project that's only been around like
two or three years, I learned quite

784
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:12,840
quickly that Outbreak is a place where
very new and up and coming bands will

785
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:17,639
get fucking insane like homecoming reactions,
where these like pretty new songs people there

786
00:49:17,679 --> 00:49:22,960
will clearly know and fucking love them. Well, these are the first of

787
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:28,320
the bands that played the festival last
year, either you know, low on

788
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,519
the second stage opening it, or
on opening like the main stage last year,

789
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:34,320
or playing the second days. I
saw Military Gun at last Festive one.

790
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,800
I really enjoyed them. This was
me literally discovering them last year at

791
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:42,400
Outbreak and they were pulled a respectable
crowd on that second stage. And this

792
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,519
year, you know, pulling a
pretty decently sized guard who were really into

793
00:49:45,559 --> 00:49:49,599
on the main stage. You could
kind of see the bands who Outbreak kind

794
00:49:49,639 --> 00:49:51,840
of gone. You know, yep, these bands they made in Preston,

795
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:53,559
lat year, Let's get them back
and give them a bigger platform. Even

796
00:49:53,639 --> 00:49:58,880
there's something really brilliantout Military Gun and
this kind of like Mitchell kind of laid

797
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,599
back, kind of slacker vibes at
times, but having just enough weight and

798
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,880
hardcore DNA in there to stop it
from ever feeling too too sleepy. So

799
00:50:08,519 --> 00:50:14,519
it gets like trace this line between
being relaxed and chill was having a bit

800
00:50:14,599 --> 00:50:16,960
of guts to it, and every
now and then, whether you get into

801
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,960
a big riff or something like,
it does hit hard when it needs to.

802
00:50:21,039 --> 00:50:22,840
That Pressure Cooker song has been stuck
in my head since. I've got

803
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:29,320
to say that Pressure Cooker guy run
in and people were like bouncing for that.

804
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,440
That was really super bouncy. It's
so bouncing their music. Yeah,

805
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:37,280
and that went into one step closer
who more kind of traditional when you would

806
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,159
imagine like melodic hardcore. It's not
the easygoing thing of military gun or ever,

807
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:44,840
but very pacy. Roby have comeback
kid a little bit like there's that

808
00:50:45,079 --> 00:50:47,000
same kind of like high pace but
with melody and the guitars and that kind

809
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:51,039
of like urgency in the bogus.
I think they're pretty decent the emotional drive

810
00:50:51,039 --> 00:50:53,000
to Yeah, I've all these.
I think this is the first one.

811
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:57,039
Other sounds not doing them many favors. These were the first one that I

812
00:50:57,079 --> 00:51:00,480
really kind of picked up on maybe
the sound muting the packed of it a

813
00:51:00,519 --> 00:51:05,320
little bit. But I did enjoy
this set again like more trusoologic hardcore,

814
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,079
super energetic. Again, I could
see why they've gone from second stage to

815
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:13,360
decent way up the main stage because
really passionate reaction. And I can tell

816
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,400
why some people again because with a
lot of these logic hardcore bands, people

817
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,280
can from quite strong attachments to them, and I can see why again for

818
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,000
a lot of people one step close
to have kind of become that bad.

819
00:51:22,119 --> 00:51:25,000
Yeah, I think again that they
got a good response and they will clearly

820
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:29,400
look back on the show very fondly. I think for me my energy was

821
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,880
slightly dwindling from just like seeing a
load of hardcore bands in a row.

822
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:36,480
But I didn't I thought they're good, and the guitarists at the end did.

823
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,400
Like the hugest leap from one of
the amps, I generally thought I

824
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:42,239
was worried about him breaking his foot
or something. But I think after this

825
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,239
we did kind of we needed a
bit of a guess, a reset.

826
00:51:44,599 --> 00:51:47,800
You went to see paying the truth
if I mentioned earlier, Yes, yes,

827
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,079
apparently from of those bands they've been
around a few times just in it

828
00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:53,360
and I've kept missing them and that
they are, you know, they are

829
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:58,760
New York hardcore they like Yeah,
No Surprise was the one that really sounded

830
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,119
like satisfaction death to start hate bad
to me, just with that kind of

831
00:52:01,159 --> 00:52:07,559
New York street level like attitude to
it as well, and no supplies they

832
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:12,039
come at and it again, it
was nothing original to the set like this

833
00:52:12,159 --> 00:52:15,599
is you know, this is your
packed out second stage, everyone going mental,

834
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,119
violent, pit bodies plane everywhere,
people coming on, their mates come

835
00:52:19,159 --> 00:52:22,280
on from side stage to grab the
mic, which did possibly give me my

836
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:27,280
highlight of the entire festival, but
the moment. If there's one thing again

837
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,320
who I was seeing, I'm glad
I saw them. But if there's one

838
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,760
thing I missed this weekend that I
well, I really gott it. I

839
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:36,920
missed who you went to see,
But I'm glad I got to witness this

840
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,559
and like the videos on my Twitter
if anyone is curious about like has not

841
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:44,639
seen yet. But Colin Young who
was over for Outbreak doing the hard Law

842
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:49,760
podcast. Yeah, but Colling Young
of God's hate twitching tongues nail, isn't

843
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,639
that he was, No, it's
his brother Taylor was in nails. Sorry

844
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:57,719
but God said, you know you
kind of hardcore store war like massive dude.

845
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,239
He comes on, does his guest
spot and then when he finishes,

846
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:07,079
starts mushing on stage like putting in
the fish. The spin kicks and this

847
00:53:07,519 --> 00:53:12,920
really, this poor guy got murdered, like like you literally you see on

848
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,920
the video where he kind of clocks
him and then as he walking basically gives

849
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,719
him another kick and you just see
him just like completely just this. This

850
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:24,559
guy falls n eighty degrees Like it
was fucking. I watched that video because

851
00:53:24,559 --> 00:53:27,840
we were staying at the same place
and we go back after the day and

852
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,039
just watch the video or repeat for
a while, and it got funnier every

853
00:53:31,079 --> 00:53:37,519
time of this guy just fully like
goes sent to the shadow it's the coling

854
00:53:37,559 --> 00:53:43,119
young and puts his arms in the
air like he scored a goal. It's

855
00:53:43,199 --> 00:53:45,800
fucking. The other one is that
sort is another guy comes and he literally

856
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:52,119
just kicks him onto the guy like
this is Sparta like kick and he's just

857
00:53:52,159 --> 00:53:55,599
going launched onto the crowd. Yeah, man, don't mess for the record

858
00:53:55,599 --> 00:53:58,960
of the guy you got kicked to
the ground in the video, you see

859
00:53:59,039 --> 00:54:01,360
him get up and he the other
day and he kind of hugs Colin on

860
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:07,360
the way. You got me,
man, you got I think like there

861
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,840
were clearly no bad vibes there,
but it was just I was dying with

862
00:54:10,199 --> 00:54:15,800
Dad but not Overshadow Paint of Tooth
were just really fucking good hardcore. Again,

863
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,559
Like I think it was just the
perfect setting to see them in where

864
00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:21,719
again they pulled his huge cup because
it was quite like you can kind of

865
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,920
tell everyone who wanted to mosh goes
over to the second stage at that point,

866
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,880
and everyone wants to sing along stuck
at the main stage, and so

867
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,719
you had the unice options. I
got in that this was the first band.

868
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:31,840
I was like, I'm gonna get
in the pit a little bit,

869
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,039
and I was like, oh,
it's a bit rough even for me,

870
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,639
you know, hang on the periphery
of the pit and just enjoy the vibe.

871
00:54:38,199 --> 00:54:42,719
But yeah, just really violent,
angry New York hard coren But for

872
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,719
that video of Colin Colin kicking that
guy to the ground and go around on

873
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:47,760
Twitter and stuff afterwards, was like, again, it's one of was like,

874
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:52,679
yeah, we're at the hardcore fest
down he quote me, it was

875
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:54,559
like, oh, put in a
full day's work into just this one song

876
00:54:54,639 --> 00:55:00,159
every time. Yeah, Highviz is
where I was who I was seeing to

877
00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:05,159
not witness this this murder take place. And again I actually thought this was

878
00:55:05,159 --> 00:55:07,880
going to be something of a come
down because I hadn't listened to loads of

879
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,400
High Vis and the bits I heard, I assumed it was going to be

880
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,800
one of those slightly more low key
atmospheric sets because there's a kind of like

881
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:19,719
post punk edge to their material that's
got these kind of like low fi Spindley

882
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,000
guitars and stuff. I thought this
was going to be one of those slightly

883
00:55:22,039 --> 00:55:27,519
kind of alternative bookings that just fits
in at someone like like a hard core

884
00:55:27,519 --> 00:55:30,440
fest, but wouldn't be a hard
core set itself. Instead, this was,

885
00:55:30,599 --> 00:55:36,760
honest to god, one of the
loudest, most euphoric bits of the

886
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,000
whole festival. Like, I wasn't
expecting the energy to go up for High

887
00:55:39,039 --> 00:55:44,880
Vis essentially, but my god,
it did. Had a lot to take

888
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,639
in at first because they come on
stage and first of all, guitarist is

889
00:55:46,639 --> 00:55:52,280
wearing a Sarcophago shirt, which is
such a fucking sweet pick for a guy

890
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:53,880
at a hardcore fest. Well,
I was like yo, and then the

891
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:59,519
singer starts talking and he is incredibly
Scouse, so I was like, ah,

892
00:55:59,519 --> 00:56:01,360
a local, you know, tough
crowds I hardly know. Yeah,

893
00:56:01,519 --> 00:56:06,400
But and then like I'm looking around
me like oh okay, gauging what's happening

894
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,000
here, they launched into a cover
of Morning Glory by Oasis, which is

895
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:13,400
probably my favorite Oasis song. With
that nearly a bit of time to wake

896
00:56:13,519 --> 00:56:20,440
up to a Manchester crowd, and
the energy didn't drop from there, and

897
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,360
that thing that I was taking about
people really taking too and celebrating new acts.

898
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:29,159
The songs from the High Vias album
that came out last year unbelievably huge

899
00:56:29,559 --> 00:56:37,960
that day, Like it was fucking
super super enthusiastic, and again that it's

900
00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:42,800
very UK, very kind of you
know, regional working class identities, kind

901
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,760
of britpop mea meets like post punk
kind of influenced, but live there's this

902
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:51,239
really hard core stage presence that comes
out and the response from the crowd,

903
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,280
and there was a bit when the
singer got like borderline tackled into the front

904
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:58,079
row of the crowd by about fifteen
people all grabbing the mic at once.

905
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:02,599
But this it felt like a kingmaking
set. Honestly, like I am It's

906
00:57:02,599 --> 00:57:06,519
one of the sets I've seen the
most people rave about from the Friday in

907
00:57:06,559 --> 00:57:09,000
particular, probably only one set to
come that was raved about. Yeah,

908
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:13,920
but like I am so so in
on hivis after seeing that, and like

909
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:15,800
I want to see where they go
next, because it had this real thing

910
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:20,360
of again that like homegrown heroes getting
to play this unbelievably huge room and it

911
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,440
felt like everybody in it was there
for them and to sing those songs.

912
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,639
It was like it was one of
the best bits of the weekend. And

913
00:57:25,639 --> 00:57:30,320
I didn't really know any of their
songs at the beginning of it. Yeah,

914
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,679
like there were about I quite like
what I've heard on record, but

915
00:57:32,719 --> 00:57:36,880
I wasn't like desperate seeing which I
was. I'll go to paying the truth.

916
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,199
I'll catch They're playing London fairly soon
anyway. I might get a ticket

917
00:57:39,199 --> 00:57:43,599
for that after especially how you've said
about it. But from all reports it

918
00:57:43,679 --> 00:57:46,960
just sounds like this was a total
victory and I'm genuinely gladed to miss it.

919
00:57:47,039 --> 00:57:49,840
Yeah, they were brilliant again if
you can see them live, if

920
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,960
you haven't seen them live yet,
really like I want to catch them again

921
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,119
like that. I've been listening to
the record, because again those songs were

922
00:57:57,199 --> 00:58:00,280
if you recommendation, it was like
total. It was a bit of that

923
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:01,639
I needed to take me through the
rest of the day. But it was

924
00:58:01,679 --> 00:58:07,119
again in terms of the sets that
I think have I guess an impact for

925
00:58:07,159 --> 00:58:08,800
a band in a way if like
if anyone else like me was in their

926
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:13,960
room for high years not really knowing
them and saw the level of like whoa

927
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:15,920
that came off that stage and from
the people in front of it, There's

928
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:20,159
gonna be a lot of talk around
that. So that was brilliant for them.

929
00:58:20,159 --> 00:58:23,880
It got a bit moody next because
it was Defeat. Yeah, first

930
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:28,719
show in four or five years.
I think they've they've been on a bit

931
00:58:28,719 --> 00:58:31,480
of a hiatus. I don't know
if this comeback is anything more than just

932
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:36,360
playing a few live shows. But
melodic hardcore, they were part of that,

933
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,880
that wave of twenty tens sort of
melodic hardcore bands. You two share

934
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:45,239
more a ladders view that sort of
wave bands that I loved really format formative

935
00:58:45,239 --> 00:58:47,599
for me, and that's one of
thing. So I was really excited to

936
00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:51,519
see this and this was one again
what I said bye to you and went

937
00:58:51,679 --> 00:58:54,199
right down the front to be right
involved in this and they with Bastards,

938
00:58:54,239 --> 00:58:58,760
which is my favorite defeat songs,
So of course within seconds I had my

939
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:00,639
first stage dive of the weekend.
Yeah, like the bounds you put them

940
00:59:00,639 --> 00:59:05,280
next to not my thing, but
I remembered I quite like defeat her because

941
00:59:05,719 --> 00:59:09,360
they are there is it's not them
and modern life is water the two where

942
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:13,559
they's dark Eye, it's a bit, it's not it's not as annoying as

943
00:59:13,559 --> 00:59:15,880
the ones of those Bantons who are
annoying. And they were one of the

944
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:20,840
only bands across the whole weekend by
a sense of drama to them in like

945
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:22,840
again, their riffs and their arrangements, even bits of them are kind of

946
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,360
a bit like post metal esque,
and you know, bits of oath Breaker

947
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:30,599
and stuff like that you can't hear
like going through the kind of lineage of

948
00:59:30,719 --> 00:59:34,639
that. And then when they kind
of did go into those bigger moments,

949
00:59:34,679 --> 00:59:36,920
they were kind of better for it
because of how it built to them.

950
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:38,840
And so we get like the Dear
Father and there's like, so what are

951
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:43,599
you god ah do? And it
like really it went off. Yeah,

952
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:45,880
it's like that for me that the
opening of a Bastards into No Shame kind

953
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:50,119
of really shows that where Bastards is
one of their pacer just kind of more

954
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,360
hardcore attraction with the and oh you
see is that bastard in me? Yeah,

955
00:59:53,519 --> 00:59:57,280
kind of shout along bit, whereas
No Shame is it is slow,

956
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:02,079
it is more dramatic and they're still
bit still waiting and they're like and that

957
01:00:02,199 --> 01:00:05,559
to me is that's why I loved
it is because they have that sense of

958
01:00:05,639 --> 01:00:07,360
drama to them. And I know
that when you compare them and say like

959
01:00:07,719 --> 01:00:10,639
one Step Close, who are probably
quite influenced by defeat when you saw of

960
01:00:10,679 --> 01:00:15,599
that again, the hardcore approach they
kind of had a sort of scrapping was

961
01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:20,119
defeated. They did bring a sense
of drama and grandeur that that did really

962
01:00:20,159 --> 01:00:22,039
make them stand out. The only
band who could bring more grandeur and that

963
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:25,559
sort of thing was Converge following them, but you know, similar kind of

964
01:00:25,559 --> 01:00:30,079
Boston hardcore sort. Yeah. I
really enjoyed this, say it got me

965
01:00:30,159 --> 01:00:32,000
stayed so a few times. It
was like the first one, I kind

966
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,880
of felt like, oh, that
needed to be longer than half an hour

967
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,519
because it felt like, really as
they were hitting there kind of grandest moments,

968
01:00:37,519 --> 01:00:39,159
they were done and I was be
like, ah, come on,

969
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,760
you needed another ten minutes of that
at least. Yeah. Well, as

970
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,800
you say, Boston set up for
a Massachusetts Hardcore Evening because the co headliner

971
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:51,920
or Friday was Bane and Converge and
the stuff. That was like the biggest

972
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:53,360
draw to me outbreak this year.
Like if I was going to buy a

973
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:57,320
day ticket, it would have been
for the Saturday. But and you know,

974
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,519
Converge had been quite common around here
recently, like just they done a

975
01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:01,719
few shows recently. Yeah, it's
just over six months ago. We saw

976
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:06,719
the Jane Doe set Damnation, but
I saw them in London just after.

977
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:08,159
Yeah. But the closer it got
to the festival, more it dawned on

978
01:01:08,199 --> 01:01:10,639
me. I was like, Converge, arguably the greatest hardcore band of all

979
01:01:10,679 --> 01:01:17,400
time at the Hardcore festival playing a
no barrier show. Whoa and it was

980
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:21,280
this was the closest to the front. I went all weekend because I thought,

981
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,280
if there's any band that I want
to take advantage of, like seeing

982
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:27,800
them in a no barrier space,
it would be Converge. Again, I

983
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,159
see them a lot, but when
will be the next time I see them

984
01:01:30,159 --> 01:01:34,079
in a space like that? And
Converge can turn up and be different bands,

985
01:01:34,159 --> 01:01:37,159
right, they could be you know, super drama. When they again

986
01:01:37,199 --> 01:01:39,880
played Jane Doe and you get that
title track at the end, it's like,

987
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:44,440
like nothing you've seen an outbreak festival. They can do the blood Moon

988
01:01:44,559 --> 01:01:46,239
sets and again, like someone asked
me, like what was better this or

989
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:51,039
the Jane Doe set? A Damnation
and it's hard to compare them too that

990
01:01:51,239 --> 01:01:54,079
it was almost like different bands,
Isn't it that that is the brilliance of

991
01:01:54,119 --> 01:01:58,920
Converge is that for a hardcore band, they are such a range. It's

992
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,440
astonishing again exactly say what was better
this or blood Moon? And I'm like

993
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:07,440
you can't. Yeah, I do
know that this one was everything fucking batshit,

994
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:15,239
violent, fast and exciting about Converge, all turned up in one set.

995
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:21,039
I was dry at the beginning of
this set. By the time they

996
01:02:21,039 --> 01:02:23,480
had finished what like forty minutes later, I looked like I'd come out of

997
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:28,039
a car wash. It was one
of those hair was like, yeah,

998
01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:30,239
it was one of those ones where
you could like barely move around of your

999
01:02:30,239 --> 01:02:32,920
own accord because it was just where
you got shunted around too. I stage

1000
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:37,440
dives during report you saw and it
wasn't out of like a particular like oh

1001
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,519
they're playing report you saw it was
just that was the one where I found

1002
01:02:39,599 --> 01:02:43,400
myself at the front and was like
right go and when I landed on the

1003
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:45,039
other side of the stage, there's
quite a lot of space around me.

1004
01:02:45,079 --> 01:02:47,039
It was great. It was like
from one world to another one. This

1005
01:02:47,079 --> 01:02:50,119
was the T and M stage dive
set by the sounds of it, because

1006
01:02:50,159 --> 01:02:52,280
you went this was yeah. I
mean because like I was like when the

1007
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,480
opening was like just a stupid combination
of like it has become Vulture's dark horse

1008
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,800
as a one two, and then
you get under the rest, which has

1009
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,039
a bit more menace to it actually
about like I was going to end cuging

1010
01:03:01,079 --> 01:03:06,320
bat about and then five songs in
song five in their set you Just Gonna

1011
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:10,519
dun I was like Concubine in the
middle because like that's a song I've only

1012
01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:14,480
ever seen them do they normally like
close their sets with it or if you

1013
01:03:14,519 --> 01:03:16,679
obviously we were seeing them doing Jane
Doe open there or something, yeah,

1014
01:03:16,719 --> 01:03:22,280
opening Jane Doe, but just how
you're recovering from what you've just experienced whatever

1015
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:25,159
song it was before, and then
you hear Concubine, It's like fuck and

1016
01:03:25,679 --> 01:03:30,159
that was what I just was,
like, like I'm battling my way to

1017
01:03:30,239 --> 01:03:35,000
get to that stage and stage diving
to Concubine because fucking hell. It's yeah

1018
01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:37,559
again, it's one of those like
again, it's like I can tick that

1019
01:03:37,599 --> 01:03:40,480
off the list. I've stage dived
at a converted show. Like that's just

1020
01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:45,199
it's just perfect. And they're hell
to pay into home Wrecker still and Homewrecker

1021
01:03:45,599 --> 01:03:50,280
just some guy from the audience did
most of the vocals, so like the

1022
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:54,360
last chorus and Jacob just hanging do
it and just like go for it.

1023
01:03:54,519 --> 01:04:00,880
Like the Homewrecker was so rowdy,
like I was doing Homemaker before, but

1024
01:04:00,159 --> 01:04:03,400
there was just a like because of
the crowd. That was one where the

1025
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:08,079
crowd really went mental for that,
like it was like calling you buy and

1026
01:04:08,119 --> 01:04:11,119
hell to pay Home. It's like
again, I'm sure a lot of people

1027
01:04:11,159 --> 01:04:14,239
have will have seen Converge maybe playing
I don't know, the Electric Ballroom or

1028
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,679
somewhere like that. Imagine them in
an environment where it's possible for someone to

1029
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:21,480
run on stage and just sing the
last chorus of home record while the bodies

1030
01:04:21,519 --> 01:04:25,039
are flying around you like it was
yeah. If you look at the Settlers,

1031
01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:29,679
they flavor outbreak the first like ten
songs. It is all just the

1032
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:33,519
wildest converge. There is no stops
for breath or anything like that. I

1033
01:04:33,559 --> 01:04:38,440
swear I missed songs just because of
being thrown around in the mayhem and not

1034
01:04:38,519 --> 01:04:41,440
quite twigging what song they were playing. I mean, it was like Bannon

1035
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:43,639
came on stage and was said like, we're just gonna put heads in the

1036
01:04:43,679 --> 01:04:45,599
place and songs he spoke like again
briefly I think it was after Home Records,

1037
01:04:45,679 --> 01:04:48,119
but I think it was after Home. Kind of was like, whoa

1038
01:04:48,159 --> 01:04:51,400
this is this is pretty crazy,
but they they did just you know,

1039
01:04:51,519 --> 01:04:55,360
power through. So when they when
they hit worms or feed, rats will

1040
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:59,159
feast, and this was like this
is the Clozi and this this is them

1041
01:04:59,159 --> 01:05:02,639
bringing that one moment of serious drama
to the set, which I was like,

1042
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:05,440
that's one of my favorite convert songs, like I fucking it's my favorite

1043
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:10,960
song of facts to fall like and
it's so heavy but it's menacing and slow,

1044
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,599
and I was like, cool,
that's it. I'm happy with them

1045
01:05:13,719 --> 01:05:15,960
ending on. You thought that would
be the end and it would be like

1046
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,079
wow, but then they've got like
five minutes on the clock or something,

1047
01:05:18,519 --> 01:05:24,039
and Bannon goes like, we we
kind of agreed. Kurt Blue said it

1048
01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:28,480
was this one like Imber I was
one of us. We haven't rehearsed this

1049
01:05:28,519 --> 01:05:31,119
song. Yeah, they say like
we this is a song we kind of

1050
01:05:31,239 --> 01:05:38,920
collectively just agreed to not rehearse about
fifteen years ago. So you were sorry

1051
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:42,800
if this doesn't work. And again
after the festival, Ben Coller tweetly was

1052
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:45,000
like, outbreak. If you were
there for this, I'm so sorry.

1053
01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:48,159
That was a shit show. No
one noticed, right because when they go

1054
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:51,800
we haven't heard this song in the
fifteen years, but we whip it out

1055
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:58,119
for special occasions. This song is
called the Saddest Day, it was like,

1056
01:05:58,639 --> 01:06:02,760
oh fucking god, because this was
the event moment in this Yeah,

1057
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,440
because we'd be like joking. It
was like, you know, Converge playing

1058
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:09,320
a no barrier set at a hardcore
festival, wouldn't like again, like a

1059
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:12,679
pipe dream, wouldn't it be amazing
if they whipped out some like pre Jane

1060
01:06:12,679 --> 01:06:15,400
Doe prop petitioningly the Empty Sky yea, And like the Saddest Day is like

1061
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:19,159
the it's like the hallmarks. It's
like you know, the forty three percent

1062
01:06:19,199 --> 01:06:21,800
burnt or whatever of that kind of
ear. It's like, that's like the

1063
01:06:23,519 --> 01:06:30,880
standard bearer song for old punch your
teeth out Converge, like that metallic hardcore

1064
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:34,239
like pioneering origins to have material from
that time, seeing it in a place

1065
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:39,360
like this where there's all of that
same like appropriateness, where this is a

1066
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:42,679
festibal people can just jump on each
other's heads and they've signed a special waiver

1067
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:45,639
to do so and all that stuff. It's right that we do this song

1068
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:47,599
here, but it's so huge.
At the same time, it was like

1069
01:06:47,639 --> 01:06:51,559
a full circle moment almost of like
ten thousand people, no barrier, the

1070
01:06:51,639 --> 01:06:55,920
saddest day we've got, you know, one song on the clock, let's

1071
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:59,199
see what you fuckers can do,
and the things again that it may have

1072
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:02,679
been, you know, a bit
raggedy, a bit sloppy, but it

1073
01:07:02,679 --> 01:07:08,800
felt again just spontaneous and exciting of
just kind of like Converge rattling through this

1074
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:13,440
song that is like again of their
more primitive early form, the kind of

1075
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,199
pinnacle of that. Just what an
incredible moment. I'm like, I want

1076
01:07:16,199 --> 01:07:20,000
to fucking witness that like that,
that's that's put that Converge share as a

1077
01:07:20,119 --> 01:07:23,480
kind of like, yeah, that's
that's up there. Yeah, that was

1078
01:07:23,519 --> 01:07:29,039
really really special, U Bain,
I said the co headliner playing over Converge,

1079
01:07:29,039 --> 01:07:30,280
which was again I think a lot
of people looked at them when you

1080
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:36,159
know the is Baine's name and legacy
so large that you would put them over

1081
01:07:36,199 --> 01:07:41,559
Converge. It's obviously because of the
reunion um the fact that they had come

1082
01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:46,159
back not long before this, but
it emptied out for Bain and a lot

1083
01:07:46,239 --> 01:07:50,199
of people would have watched Bain if
they had played after Converge because they would

1084
01:07:50,199 --> 01:07:54,800
have been sticking around yeah before Converge
even because they would have been sticking around

1085
01:07:55,199 --> 01:07:57,960
for that. Instead, this was
like a lot of people are getting an

1086
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,280
early night here and half of the
room's going to stick around to what pain.

1087
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,519
Yeah, like it felt like them
get the almost felt like a kind

1088
01:08:03,519 --> 01:08:05,679
of curtsy thing. I think they
said, you know, the organiz ABC

1089
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:09,400
is just a massive fan and wanted
them on the lineup, so that I

1090
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:12,280
think he said, like Alba didn't
need us, they wouldn't find they could

1091
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:14,599
have had Converge headline this day,
but they wanted us on it, and

1092
01:08:14,599 --> 01:08:16,840
we really preached that and I'm like, that's fair, you know, and

1093
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:21,960
it is kind of again, of
all the final band headliners, considerably the

1094
01:08:23,039 --> 01:08:27,079
smallest crowd of the weekend for like
the sort of talk about I mean smaller

1095
01:08:27,119 --> 01:08:30,279
than like some of the bands that
played halfway out the day on the next

1096
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:32,199
ORD day. So it was definitely
one for the kind of the die hard

1097
01:08:32,239 --> 01:08:35,880
you wanted to stick around and watch
Bain. That said, still a really

1098
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:41,159
fun, just rousing end to the
Yeah, it was kind of a come

1099
01:08:41,199 --> 01:08:44,640
down for us and away because we've
been again running around across the stage,

1100
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:45,680
were converted. It was kind of
pleasant to be like, okay, and

1101
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,760
you know, one last band.
I think it was the only time at

1102
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:54,439
the weekend where I thought you could
see a generation gap because the way people

1103
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:57,680
had been like singing their fucking lungs
out for songs that are like a year

1104
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:02,520
old, like for Hives, a
military gun earlier, people absolutely wrecking each

1105
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:06,039
other during Soon Army or so on
these newer buzz bands. This was like

1106
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:10,079
elder hardcore, right, This was
like, yeah, the people who stuck

1107
01:09:10,079 --> 01:09:12,039
around were like, it was curious. Obviously, the people who at the

1108
01:09:12,119 --> 01:09:14,680
very front very excited for Bain.
So if people had stuck around, but

1109
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:16,960
they weren't fans. It was kind
of again quiet sort of respect more than

1110
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:24,119
like people really caring about Bain too
heavily. If they have their own current

1111
01:09:24,159 --> 01:09:27,159
generation hardcore bands that are like,
you know, maybe mean to them what

1112
01:09:27,239 --> 01:09:30,800
Bain meant to people twenty years ago, and it's it's interesting. Could Converge

1113
01:09:30,359 --> 01:09:34,880
literally are an older band than Baine
because Bain span out of Converge with with

1114
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:39,640
Aaron d Albert leaving to form them, But Converge of stayed relevant in a

1115
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:44,800
way that Baine haven't really, So
this was like a real legacy booking that

1116
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:46,920
you know, it works, don't
get me wrong, but it wasn't the

1117
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:51,600
bigger headline event, perhaps because mostly
that the younger audience who our outbreak weren't

1118
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:56,720
really there to watch Bain. Yeah. They You're definitely right at that about

1119
01:09:56,760 --> 01:10:00,039
them being a kind of like the
generational gap where I think a lot the

1120
01:10:00,079 --> 01:10:01,640
younger people would just go like,
Okay, this band have never really meant

1121
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:04,800
much to me, so either stick
on of hang at the back of watch,

1122
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:08,239
or if I really just want to
go for a stage dive. But

1123
01:10:09,239 --> 01:10:12,439
you could still see though that that
said, the people who were down the

1124
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:14,960
front. Even if they were you
know, the older sort of the older

1125
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:17,640
statesman of the festival, they were
fucking going for it. They were really

1126
01:10:18,119 --> 01:10:21,279
really having a good time, and
the passion and energy could still be felt.

1127
01:10:21,319 --> 01:10:24,279
We were hanging at the back ward
was quite sparse, but we could

1128
01:10:24,319 --> 01:10:27,640
you could still see like it didn't
look like it was kind of like a

1129
01:10:28,399 --> 01:10:31,239
crickets no one moving for this ort
thing, like everyone everyone was really invested

1130
01:10:31,319 --> 01:10:34,720
this. Yeah, it's what It's
like the fourth Bane reunion show or something

1131
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:39,319
like that. They've got that song
Final Backwards Glance that is very funny when

1132
01:10:39,319 --> 01:10:41,720
they play at their reunion shows now
because that's like they're you know, they

1133
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:45,079
close of it in it like that
was their kind of like leading off their

1134
01:10:45,119 --> 01:10:46,079
last album that was kind of like
that, you know, we're done,

1135
01:10:46,119 --> 01:10:48,520
this is it, like yeah,
and now they keep coming out and playing

1136
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:53,199
it. The singer, he wears
his very baggy clothes. We were saying,

1137
01:10:53,199 --> 01:10:56,600
he looks like it kind of wears
wally sort of teenager. But he's

1138
01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:00,760
he's definitely a talker. He loves
he loves a natter. That guy nice

1139
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:04,239
and passion speech about you know,
welcoming the news, very genuine person sharing

1140
01:11:04,319 --> 01:11:08,039
ideas and soone as a part of
hardcore being very important to him. There

1141
01:11:08,079 --> 01:11:12,960
was a hilarious headline about a week
before outbreak where some like conservative woman on

1142
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:17,319
Twitter was ranting about the guy from
Bane on stage praising trans people and say

1143
01:11:17,359 --> 01:11:20,239
you wanted to shit on the American
flag or something, and everyone's like,

1144
01:11:20,279 --> 01:11:25,920
oh, welcome to hardcore. I
will now be watching Bane outbreak. Yeah,

1145
01:11:26,199 --> 01:11:28,600
it did that. That did make
me a bit more excited to see

1146
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:33,159
Babe, can't hey good lad endearing
m I enjoyed chanting along to can We

1147
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:39,079
Start Again? Yeah, of that
kind of nineties Massachusetts scene when you've got

1148
01:11:39,079 --> 01:11:41,680
Converge and Caven and all this other
stuff. Bane are the one who kind

1149
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:45,399
of feel just the most like a
hardcore band. Yeah, and that's part.

1150
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:48,960
I think that's part of what you
know, does make them appeal even

1151
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:53,199
more to a certain to a certain
type of fan where they are the most

1152
01:11:53,279 --> 01:11:56,399
kind of strength on the hardcore.
But yeah, I do think it was

1153
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:59,520
It was a still a nice nice
way to end the day. Yeah,

1154
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:02,840
Saturday was top to bottom, I
think the most impressive day. Again,

1155
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:06,079
I think I personally, if I
had been buying a day ticket. That's

1156
01:12:06,119 --> 01:12:09,520
the day I would have gone for. You could. Obviously a lot of

1157
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:12,039
people have done the same, maybe
for more particular acts, but top to

1158
01:12:12,079 --> 01:12:15,159
bottom this was there was a lot
of stuff to be looking forward to.

1159
01:12:15,399 --> 01:12:18,560
Opening was Candy, who hadn't seen
before ever since they pulled out of that

1160
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:21,159
one Converged tour. This was my
next shot to see them and the last

1161
01:12:21,199 --> 01:12:26,000
album they released after that was so
intense. But I wondered if it would

1162
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,279
be like a full of hell situation
where they could have like a kind of

1163
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:32,319
noise element to their stage show and
have like again someone doing like a power

1164
01:12:32,399 --> 01:12:38,720
electronics type feel. Instead, it
was just very bare bones, bare knuckle.

1165
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:42,600
I don't think they decided to have
that for you know, outbreak,

1166
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:45,039
just specifically, just I'm sure they
could be like they have one normally.

1167
01:12:45,079 --> 01:12:47,239
I don't know they played. I've
not seen them live, but I was

1168
01:12:47,319 --> 01:12:49,640
from from that. I wouldn't be
shocked if they could, you know,

1169
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:54,640
when they played maybe like Roadburn or
something earlier this year that if they put

1170
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:57,479
a bit more going on there.
But this year this didn't have the quite

1171
01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:01,960
like electronic like Chaos and Always thing. It was just again played more to

1172
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:06,680
this the hardcore punk aggression that said, when you're getting into festival, you

1173
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:10,720
know, at like half when they're
coming on at half twelve. Again,

1174
01:13:11,159 --> 01:13:13,800
perfect band to put a big to
pour a lot of people in early on

1175
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:15,680
and get the get the end of
again, bash off those cob webs and

1176
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:18,399
the kind of like any hangovers people
might have been having if they drunk an

1177
01:13:18,399 --> 01:13:23,439
outbreak who knows no straight edge.
Yeah, a mixture of again sort of

1178
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:29,039
mortician parts with like really just mangled, fuzzed up bass and though dirty like

1179
01:13:29,199 --> 01:13:30,880
you know, slam kind of bits, and then some debats as well.

1180
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:33,439
I will say it was good to
hear some some debats from the Outbreak main

1181
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:36,239
stage. There's not too much stuff
like that there. I was speaking to

1182
01:13:36,279 --> 01:13:40,680
one of my hardcore pals of mine
who very endearingly refer to them as Thinking

1183
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:43,000
Man's Ship, and it was like, you watched that and it was it

1184
01:13:43,079 --> 01:13:45,720
was really really not that. It
was one of the heavier things on the

1185
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:48,880
mainstage. For sure, I found
it to be a bit more one dimensional

1186
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:51,920
than i'd hoped. Where again,
if on record they're in league with the

1187
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:56,159
likes of Full and Full of Hell
and Nails and stuff like that, it

1188
01:13:56,239 --> 01:13:59,800
did come across as being like quite
a long way behind them, when again

1189
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:02,399
I scene full of how that Damnation
like six months before that was a really

1190
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:08,319
fucking great, exciting, powerful thing. It's like you've got outbreak. You

1191
01:14:08,399 --> 01:14:11,000
might seem a little bit different,
but in the grand scheme of things,

1192
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:13,159
that's kind of what you're competing with. I don't think it was there,

1193
01:14:13,319 --> 01:14:18,399
but it was definitely a obnoxious start. I was fine with this being you're

1194
01:14:18,399 --> 01:14:23,680
obnoxious, Just jump off the stage, throw your arms around, get violent

1195
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:26,840
start to the Yeah. Briefly wander
over to the second stage to watch a

1196
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:29,920
bit of a band called Middleman,
who, again, in my little brief

1197
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:31,800
sort of checking out of what was
on the bill beforehand, came across as

1198
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:34,920
having some kind of like slightly eighties
hardcore vibes to me, with that kind

1199
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:39,439
of you know, low file you
sort of tinniness in a way, which

1200
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:43,079
I'm quite fond of seeing it.
It came across a bit more kind of

1201
01:14:43,119 --> 01:14:46,760
alternative than that with like ky I
was thinking that the like like jangly guitars

1202
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:50,680
and some warm bass, Yeah,
minor threat is really what I wanted out

1203
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:53,640
of it. It was kind of
a bit it was a bit jauntier and

1204
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:56,960
flimsier than that. Yeah, I
thought they were. I thought they were

1205
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,399
Okay, you know, I'm guessing
they're quite a new band. They didn't

1206
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:02,279
pull the biggest, most invested crowd, but they gave it some and I

1207
01:15:02,319 --> 01:15:05,880
feel like they can welcome some of
those like get a bit more intense and

1208
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:10,159
maybe a bit less kind of like
washy. They could be on something pretty

1209
01:15:10,159 --> 01:15:12,359
cool. Yeah, And then we
went back to the main stage for Narrowhead,

1210
01:15:12,399 --> 01:15:15,199
whose album we reviewed earlier this year. One of the big kind of

1211
01:15:15,199 --> 01:15:17,840
alternative rock releases that you would absolutely
want to see at a place light outbreak

1212
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:20,560
as well. You want a few
of those bands to break that up.

1213
01:15:21,279 --> 01:15:26,399
Thought it sounded thick and robust.
I think if they can really work on

1214
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:29,960
getting like the strongest set of songs
that they can, because some of the

1215
01:15:30,039 --> 01:15:32,319
highlights really stood out, like I
hadn't yet, I hadn't listened to them

1216
01:15:32,359 --> 01:15:34,880
since we did that album in like
February, but there were a couple off

1217
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:36,960
it which we're like, oh,
yeah, this song was like, actually

1218
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:40,520
pretty damn big when you're hearing it, Yeah, that's this one. I

1219
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,000
mean, is I felt you could
you could that they were the band could

1220
01:15:43,039 --> 01:15:45,000
like I could read feel the difference
between the best songs and the songs I

1221
01:15:45,079 --> 01:15:48,800
was kind of like, Okay,
this is just because there were others that

1222
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:53,760
were more forgettable versions of like the
best versions of the ones that they did.

1223
01:15:54,199 --> 01:15:56,479
Yeah, that's that. That was
my feeling in our heads. There

1224
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:59,399
was a gap between the quality of
their songs which I noticed, which I

1225
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:02,800
didn't necessarily pick up with sort of
say flesh Water because Spechi wars so smashing

1226
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:06,319
out. I do quite enjoy that
like five minutes of hardcore. Yeah,

1227
01:16:06,359 --> 01:16:09,760
there was a bit where they literally
they just turned to a hardcore band because

1228
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:11,399
the singer put his guitar down.
I was like, right, I'm going

1229
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:14,199
to run around screaming now and do
Like there's a couple of heavier songs of

1230
01:16:14,239 --> 01:16:17,279
that album, and there was those
that they just would up in that kind

1231
01:16:17,319 --> 01:16:20,000
of that. That last ten minutes
of the sound kind of got the energy

1232
01:16:20,039 --> 01:16:24,359
back up. But I think when
they when they when they hit it,

1233
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:27,000
I mean, ary head a really
good. If they can get that level

1234
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:31,000
of consistency going, they will be
great. Live to just get yeah again.

1235
01:16:31,039 --> 01:16:33,760
I think the amy just released like
it's seeing it there, It's not

1236
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:36,560
like a Kingmaker. You know,
it's not like again they're in the same

1237
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:42,439
slot as it's like someone like Basement
or whoever when they did like the big

1238
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:45,520
hallmark albums of this kind of music
from the last decade. Um, this

1239
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:50,039
isn't at that level, but there
are songs that sound quite big, so

1240
01:16:50,399 --> 01:16:56,359
keep mining that. And then back
again from last year as well was an

1241
01:16:56,239 --> 01:17:00,239
an called Scowl, whose stock has
very much been rising in the last eighteen

1242
01:17:00,239 --> 01:17:03,439
months or so. And this was
really good because this was another of those

1243
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:08,359
sets where you could sense like,
oh, there's there's something happening here because

1244
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:12,640
people like before they were there,
had like turned up to the stage.

1245
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,680
The place was pretty rammed out.
People were like, it felt like just

1246
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,600
in the five minutes or so before
they came on stage, there was an

1247
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:24,479
anticipation around Scoal. I mean compared
to last year. Last DA they opened

1248
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:28,359
the main stage on the Sunday and
they played to like your typical horseshoe crowd,

1249
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:30,920
So it wasn't empty and the bit
was going, but it was you

1250
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:33,479
know, there was space, whereas
this year I kind of got God,

1251
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:38,439
this is feeling quite packed in.
This is going to be this is this

1252
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:41,279
is a lot more people than there
was their last year for them, they

1253
01:17:41,279 --> 01:17:44,119
were again another one of the bands
I went down the front four because I

1254
01:17:44,239 --> 01:17:46,119
flip in love scale. They have
become one of my, like all the

1255
01:17:46,119 --> 01:17:50,079
new wave of hardicle bands, probably
my personal favorite. I think there's something

1256
01:17:50,119 --> 01:17:56,000
I found really great about this blend
of like the nineties grunge and rock with

1257
01:17:56,119 --> 01:17:59,680
the real eighties punk kind of thing
with the one hardle that they they've actually

1258
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:02,199
got a more ideas going on.
And Cat Moss is she's a star,

1259
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:06,000
Like she's got it when she's on, say, you know her neon green

1260
01:18:06,039 --> 01:18:11,000
hair that just shines and glows on
the stage. And she's somebout these like

1261
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:14,319
white Go Go boots. Yeah,
like probably like punk jack, all the

1262
01:18:14,319 --> 01:18:16,640
pins and badges on it. Like
she's she's She's one of those that I'm

1263
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:19,520
excited see what outfits she's going to
pull out on stage because she's got the

1264
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:24,920
looks every time. But like,
yeah, they just sounded so ferocious.

1265
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:28,600
They've got you know, from Psychic
Dance Routine now, which again I missed

1266
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:30,920
when you kind of being talked about
that having that AP is the best one

1267
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:33,079
they've done. I like the album, but adding in you know, actual

1268
01:18:33,159 --> 01:18:38,920
choruses and sing alongs, andmost all
the hardcore furias given scale that just you

1269
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:42,439
know, the moments in the set
way they go into the title tracker or

1270
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:47,319
shot down open the people were singing
that beginning with the dude, that's really

1271
01:18:47,319 --> 01:18:51,119
cool again because that song is what
like four months old or something like that,

1272
01:18:51,159 --> 01:18:55,079
And yeah, I agree, there
was like, there's loads of good

1273
01:18:55,119 --> 01:18:57,920
bands on the bill, right,
but there's not a lot of them with

1274
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:01,359
what you would call star power.
It doesn't align with hardcore all that often,

1275
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:05,039
and it's not a necessary factor in
hardcore to get people going. But

1276
01:19:05,119 --> 01:19:10,680
when you know they do a line, you can get something like Scowl,

1277
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:16,479
which had that level of kind of
pizzazz to it while being that I think

1278
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:19,800
again, I did anfest right up
about this, and I said, it's

1279
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:25,119
like being kind of slipping into an
alternate universe where you can watch Garbage in

1280
01:19:25,119 --> 01:19:28,680
a space where people are can't wheeling
across the stage like it's fucking it's really

1281
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:31,920
really it's a cool vibe going on. And then I agree when they're mixing

1282
01:19:32,239 --> 01:19:41,359
like the stuff from the album like
fuck Around and find out they're mixing that

1283
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:45,319
with those newer songs that have the
melody and so on in it. It

1284
01:19:45,399 --> 01:19:48,119
makes for something that isn't just super
one dimensional as a set either, and

1285
01:19:48,199 --> 01:19:51,079
I think I think it's Opening Night
from the EP that has that don't feel

1286
01:19:51,119 --> 01:19:54,760
bare. This is part of the
plan and that part. There was this

1287
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:58,920
huge stage invasion that didn't stay as
the biggest of the day for too long,

1288
01:19:59,159 --> 01:20:01,760
but in the moment did a pretty
crazy Yeah. No, it was

1289
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:05,479
a real again. I was kind
of just like God, I was says

1290
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:08,680
when I could in the pit,
when I could two stepping about it like

1291
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:13,119
it was. It was crazy like
intense down front and again you could just

1292
01:20:13,159 --> 01:20:15,159
feel everyone everywhere to get the mic
to scream those those bits and fuck around

1293
01:20:15,199 --> 01:20:18,800
and find out or the shut down
like the whole course and shot down like

1294
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:25,159
just a really really great set.
And there they're because they're one, you

1295
01:20:25,159 --> 01:20:28,560
know, they played coach other they
are one of those bands who are threatening

1296
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:31,399
to really cross over and do big
things for hardcore. So I'm going to

1297
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:34,199
be fully behind it. Yeah,
And then Fury had to follow that,

1298
01:20:34,239 --> 01:20:38,600
which they did perfectly well in terms
of getting hardcore founds to throw down for

1299
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:43,199
them. But I thought Fury were
very averaging comparison. I thought they were,

1300
01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:46,439
like, it was a fine hardcore
set that again probably unfortunate having to

1301
01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:49,079
go after Scow, they pulled a
much smaller crowd. I think they I

1302
01:20:49,079 --> 01:20:53,000
mean, if they got along before
Scowl probably would have enjoyed the set bit

1303
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:58,239
more. Like they just felt it
was kind of like decent, like cool

1304
01:20:58,319 --> 01:21:01,439
moments and there some of the really
punky bits quite liked, but didn't really

1305
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:04,199
make much of a lasting impact.
Yeah, I think there's there's not a

1306
01:21:04,239 --> 01:21:08,079
lot in their material that's really going
for them. Like there were a couple

1307
01:21:08,079 --> 01:21:10,319
of bits where there's almost like a
very slight heavy metal riff, but the

1308
01:21:10,359 --> 01:21:14,039
songs were pretty much indistinguishable, Like
it didn't sound great. It's just very

1309
01:21:14,279 --> 01:21:17,880
hoarse, yowley basic. The singer
looks a bit like shlto Copley, the

1310
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:23,199
South African actors in everything. And
that was about the biggest takeaway I had.

1311
01:21:23,319 --> 01:21:26,720
But when you're an outbreak and you're
seeing like techn hardcore bands a day,

1312
01:21:27,079 --> 01:21:30,399
the most basic least to offer ones
are going to fall to the bottom.

1313
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:33,800
And I thought Fury was that.
Yeah, especially again, you've had

1314
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:38,520
Candy, You've had scouged On before
them, Fury are not matching those bands

1315
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:42,880
in terms of both ferocity, star
power, hit level. They just I

1316
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:47,039
just felt it felt quite rudimentary in
the excitings that we just watched and the

1317
01:21:47,199 --> 01:21:50,560
really exciting shit that was about.
Yeah, background music for people who still

1318
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:54,319
have a bit of energy to expend
to run across the stage too, but

1319
01:21:55,039 --> 01:21:59,960
also with Fury, we had said
before the weekend, how long will it

1320
01:22:00,119 --> 01:22:04,199
take for someone on stage to say
mosh for the Titanic Sub or something along

1321
01:22:04,199 --> 01:22:09,960
those lines, and it fell to
Fury to dedicate the first song to the

1322
01:22:10,079 --> 01:22:15,880
Titanic Sub, so there you go. Yeah, and then the hip hop

1323
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:19,560
started because they booked the days where
Friday was pretty much all hardcore, Saturday

1324
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:24,800
was mostly but it kind of evolved
into something more experimental across the day.

1325
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:27,680
And then, as we'll get to, Sunday was the absolute biggest risk where

1326
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:30,760
we were like wondering all weekend what
the turnout would be like because there have

1327
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:33,840
been so many hardcore fans on the
internet before the event expressing their disappointment with

1328
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:39,000
a Sunday's emphasis on primarily hip hop. But Saturday was almost like a changeover,

1329
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:42,039
and the first one that I saw
was very briefly over the second stage

1330
01:22:42,039 --> 01:22:46,159
of London artists called Taliable, who
came out in this big like roughed balaclava

1331
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:49,760
with like a hole at the top
so like big hair do could poke out

1332
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:53,239
of it quite look it was.
It was just kind of loud and aggressive,

1333
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:56,920
a pretty small step crowd over on
the second stage. The first test

1334
01:22:57,000 --> 01:23:00,640
really was on the main stage Armed
Hammer, where again this question about the

1335
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:03,119
hip hop acts and so on.
We knew there'll be a level of day

1336
01:23:03,159 --> 01:23:09,239
ticket havers, so there'd be some
people who would turn up who maybe wouldn't

1337
01:23:09,279 --> 01:23:12,960
necessarily be the same audience who'd been
an outbreak you know, a year before.

1338
01:23:13,199 --> 01:23:15,680
But Arm and Hammer as a project, I know there's a rapper called

1339
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:18,720
Billy Woods who's involved with it,
who individually has had quite a lot of

1340
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:24,039
kind of acclaimed records, so very
respected. Arm and Hammer kind of fell

1341
01:23:24,079 --> 01:23:28,359
into something that became more clear to
me by the end of Sunday when we'd

1342
01:23:28,399 --> 01:23:31,560
seen more different kinds of hip hop
outbreak. But it was big, you

1343
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:35,800
know, ominous kind of oppressive bass
with a lot of space in between the

1344
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:41,119
beats and everything, not so much
that fast like jump up and down beats

1345
01:23:41,159 --> 01:23:44,239
as we would see someone like Denzel
Curry for example, really deploy. It

1346
01:23:44,279 --> 01:23:48,399
was a lot of like throbbing industrial
sounds more than it was a great involving

1347
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:54,399
show. Stuck around and saw Mike
next, who came out and got a

1348
01:23:54,399 --> 01:23:56,439
big cheer. I knew even less
about him than I did. Arm and

1349
01:23:56,479 --> 01:24:00,520
Hammer very jolly vibes in comparison,
he was dancing around at the He spent

1350
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:02,319
ages at the start of just shouting
out various people on like grabbing people with

1351
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:05,439
hands and stuff like that. It
seemed like it like when you your cool

1352
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:08,760
uncle turns up at a barbecue and
everyone's like, hey, it's Mike.

1353
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:11,920
Everyone. Yeah, I mean I
missed. I caught arm and Tammer and

1354
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:14,920
I was like, you know,
they kind of were like quite a chill,

1355
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:16,600
cool vibe, but was kind of
I don't want to again run and

1356
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:19,640
grab food after them. Yeah,
they missed Mike. Mike was a bit

1357
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:23,840
boring otherwise, again similarly not much
energy in the beats. There was a

1358
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:26,159
couple of single loongs. I don't
know who it was, but he brought

1359
01:24:26,199 --> 01:24:29,279
out another guy and he to do
a couple of songs. Some really kind

1360
01:24:29,319 --> 01:24:30,560
of really small guy. I think
he said he was from Florida. But

1361
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:34,359
whoever that guy was, people loved
him because the energy suddenly really piped up

1362
01:24:34,359 --> 01:24:39,359
with people going mad for these like
two songs that he was doing. Much

1363
01:24:39,359 --> 01:24:42,479
as the energy might have been there, crowds were big for arm and Tamma

1364
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:46,039
and Mike by those things like and
you could really see the divide in the

1365
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:50,239
sort of the dark blue or the
black outbreak weekends bands and the Orange Day

1366
01:24:50,239 --> 01:24:53,880
ticket risk bands that were there on
the Saturday, Like, I could see

1367
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:56,960
a lot of people who were kind
of turning up for those acts. So

1368
01:24:57,439 --> 01:25:00,880
whilst say what's the end he want
off the charts, people wanted to say

1369
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:03,600
yeah again this sort of mid Saturday
hip hop experiment. It wasn't a failure

1370
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:08,039
because it was fairly well sized crowds, but they weren't going particularly crazy for

1371
01:25:08,079 --> 01:25:11,079
it, And like I said,
for me, it was contextualized and my

1372
01:25:11,119 --> 01:25:15,039
real sort of conclusion there arrived by
the end of the weekend when we had

1373
01:25:15,079 --> 01:25:17,039
some of the other hip hop we
got later the switch back to punk that

1374
01:25:17,079 --> 01:25:23,079
we had here. Though, oh
my god, the last run of the

1375
01:25:23,159 --> 01:25:27,880
five bands on the main stage that
ended Saturday. Everyone who thereas said it

1376
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:30,439
it was like the one of the
best runs you could hope to see at

1377
01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:34,479
a festival, like one of those
ones that sticks with you where years later

1378
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:38,840
you will remember that time. Oh
yeah, remember when Soul Glow, Jesus

1379
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:42,159
Piece, Machine Girl, Code,
Orange and Death Grips ran together as a

1380
01:25:42,159 --> 01:25:48,199
streaker Outbreak that one year that was
fucking mental as an extended evening. Yeah,

1381
01:25:48,239 --> 01:25:51,479
Like as good as large as Outbreak
was, there wasn't you know,

1382
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:57,680
like a sustained run of bands that
was this, holy shit, everything I'm

1383
01:25:57,720 --> 01:26:02,119
watching right now is insane levels of
brilliant. Yeah, And that was as

1384
01:26:02,239 --> 01:26:04,600
nice that that was sort of the
extended best bit of the festival. Because

1385
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:09,640
this is also when Elliott turned up, Hello you're still here. We did

1386
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:11,640
offer him an out and out to
say, you don't have to stick around

1387
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:14,720
during this review, but you were
here for five bands on Saturday night.

1388
01:26:15,319 --> 01:26:17,319
Yeah. It was my first time
Outbreak and it was a very last minute

1389
01:26:17,399 --> 01:26:21,159
decision, which came almost entirely from
me listening to No Love Deep Web in

1390
01:26:21,159 --> 01:26:27,279
a car journey and I was like, how fuck? And yeah, I

1391
01:26:27,279 --> 01:26:30,279
mean all the stuff you talked about
was already fantastic. I missed a bunch

1392
01:26:30,279 --> 01:26:31,399
of bands that I really wanted to
see on the Saturday, but I had

1393
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:34,600
an accounted for five hour drive and
then an hour trip from the airbnb,

1394
01:26:35,159 --> 01:26:38,960
and then at that point you do
need forty minutes in a pub. And

1395
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:43,279
then I made it before so Glow
came on, I broke my phone screen,

1396
01:26:43,359 --> 01:26:45,880
which sounds kind of cool, but
it was in the queue for the

1397
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:49,720
mosh Waiver thought. I was like, this is a this is a sorry

1398
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:54,600
omen but um, I mean,
first band I ever saw an Outbreak,

1399
01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:58,199
I think it was always going to
be special, but Soul Glow pretty much

1400
01:26:58,239 --> 01:27:03,119
the perfect way to start the hardcore
show. Yeah yeah, the first time

1401
01:27:03,119 --> 01:27:05,880
at a place with no barrier as
well, well, at least of that

1402
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:11,600
kind. Yeah, that's just fucking
hell. Like So, I mean,

1403
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:15,880
they almost like were the perfect band
to kind of represent what Outbreak was this

1404
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:20,279
year because Solo they are that meeting
point between the hip hop, the punk,

1405
01:27:20,359 --> 01:27:25,520
the hardcore, the experimental stuff.
It all kind of converges into into

1406
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:29,920
them as a band, and you
could see that in that they pulled a

1407
01:27:30,079 --> 01:27:32,720
huge I generally was like Jesus Christ
had this many people here to see solgo,

1408
01:27:33,279 --> 01:27:36,079
and then was even more taken about
by like Jesus Christ. This many

1409
01:27:36,079 --> 01:27:41,000
people fucking love Solgo and I've done
mental for it. Well, I think

1410
01:27:41,039 --> 01:27:45,199
of the you know, the last
few years of hardcore, like you know,

1411
01:27:45,319 --> 01:27:48,439
say that the twenties so far,
I think that album is comfortably one

1412
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:51,399
of the best. You know,
you'd have it behind just your glow ons

1413
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:55,680
and sell on in underneath. Yeah, And in terms of bands who have

1414
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:58,239
really kind of made their name in
the last couple of years, I think

1415
01:27:58,279 --> 01:28:04,359
they're arguably the leaders and the scattershot
energy and deliverily of this was just like

1416
01:28:04,399 --> 01:28:09,239
delirious. Like the drummer, the
pace that he was going out was like

1417
01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:11,560
Jesus. Some of those screens cut
to him. I was like, God,

1418
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:14,000
he's still. It was like Jesus
Christ, keep up with this,

1419
01:28:14,079 --> 01:28:15,920
you know. He was just constantly
going. And then at the same time,

1420
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:19,840
the singer, I really enjoyed how
he was like kind of waltzing around

1421
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:26,199
the stage, almost unfazed, while
Carnage unfolded around him. He was almost

1422
01:28:26,199 --> 01:28:30,399
like flowing. He was like water, just moving around whatever was happening,

1423
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:32,279
all sort of free, like the
drum was. But the three stort of

1424
01:28:32,279 --> 01:28:35,319
mamos at the front, like they
were just I couldn't keep an eye on

1425
01:28:35,319 --> 01:28:39,680
all of them once because they were
just so like try to like this big

1426
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:43,279
dude of this AFRO when these like
tiny shorts and the big co like looks

1427
01:28:43,359 --> 01:28:45,960
mental and say he's like in that
way, but he's just again conducting this

1428
01:28:46,039 --> 01:28:50,159
cow slamming out these like crazy scattershop
punk riffs, or had the vocalist is

1429
01:28:50,279 --> 01:28:54,840
gliding around like with his manic he
helped vocals. It was just like,

1430
01:28:55,399 --> 01:28:58,960
this is this is what punk me, this is what exciting hardcore punk music

1431
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:01,840
should be. And it was just
and it just whipped up the crowd into

1432
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:04,600
such a friend Yeah that there was
that one song where it all kind of

1433
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:10,760
collapsed and the singer was doing this
extended death growl for a good like thirty

1434
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:14,199
forty seconds or something, and it
was all like I'm talking guttural. It

1435
01:29:14,319 --> 01:29:17,600
reminded me of when I go and
watch bands like Spectral Voice and stuff like

1436
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:21,239
that. All of a sudden,
that level of was like like full on

1437
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:25,840
just for extend apart and elsewhere.
Parts that set were like a DJ set

1438
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:29,159
with just people like dancing and stuff. It was like really like worlds colliding.

1439
01:29:30,159 --> 01:29:33,159
Yeah, No that they they felt
like such a good choice to stick

1440
01:29:33,199 --> 01:29:36,800
on this day because you could see
again, you could watch that crowd and

1441
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:40,520
you can see who is hardcore for
and through and who is kind of this

1442
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:43,960
is their first hardcore show and they
are making the most of this moment,

1443
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:46,199
and like, good on him for
you know, really get into somewhere.

1444
01:29:46,239 --> 01:29:50,399
But it just it felt like the
sort of they capitalized on, you know,

1445
01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:56,039
playing two hardcore fans and death Grips
fans, and they they really this

1446
01:29:56,119 --> 01:29:58,880
was this is one of those sets
that is going to make it. Like

1447
01:29:59,239 --> 01:30:02,840
Jeremy baum touche More, who his
sort of distro like put out one of

1448
01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:05,000
their EPs from a couple of years
ago. He twittered it was like,

1449
01:30:05,399 --> 01:30:10,239
I am absolutely gutted I missed that
Sollo set from Outbreak. It looked insane

1450
01:30:10,239 --> 01:30:15,159
from the videos, so like immediate
within days people were like, holy shit,

1451
01:30:15,319 --> 01:30:19,239
Solo Outbreak. It put them like
really as one of the exciting things.

1452
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:21,560
I mean, the thing that struck
me is they've had so many like

1453
01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:25,439
bad Brains comparisons, and I always
felt like there was a slightly trite,

1454
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:30,479
shallow assessment, but that gig felt
like the way people talk about bad brains

1455
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:32,720
in the eighties, that sort of
cooled as fuck, high progressive, really

1456
01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:38,000
fun, sort of artie hardcore,
frantic, frantic, and for a six

1457
01:30:38,039 --> 01:30:42,840
songs set, they basically picked the
perfect collection of songs to show off everything

1458
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:45,800
they do. Yeah, I do. I wish they played fun Sucker,

1459
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:47,640
that's the one where I wouldn't That's
what I would love to see, the

1460
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:51,880
carns that goes down and that crazy
fucking like trumpet punk, because that's my

1461
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:55,880
favorite song on that record. But
in terms of songs, I thought it

1462
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:58,720
came at you so quick. It
was almost like She's like, like,

1463
01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:00,880
where am I. It wasn't so
much I can pick up certain songs until

1464
01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:04,640
they basically got to gold Champunk because
yeah, because then that Who're going to

1465
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:10,079
beat My Ass part? Over and
over again. So many people got on

1466
01:31:10,159 --> 01:31:13,840
stage that again, if you've seen
the photos of this, I shit you

1467
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:16,800
not. We are in no way
exaggerating here. It was a water wall.

1468
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:19,279
You could not see the back of
the stage, and there were so

1469
01:31:19,319 --> 01:31:24,640
many people that there were crowdsurfers on
top of the wall of people who were

1470
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:27,680
standing on the stage. And by
the end of the song, with again

1471
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:30,520
there repeating Who're going to beat My
ass part? The guitarist climbed on top

1472
01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:34,560
of the pile of people holding like
the mic stand out above it over to

1473
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:39,720
the crowd. It was mad like
the other thing pebble was drained last year,

1474
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:44,720
but again now amplify that by bigger
room, bigger stage, more people,

1475
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:47,439
so of course there wasn't gonna be. It was like a feudal pyramid

1476
01:31:47,479 --> 01:31:53,800
of crowd pleading with Solo to stop, and they were just like, no,

1477
01:31:54,319 --> 01:31:57,119
in site more of it. I
was like, like again, the

1478
01:31:57,279 --> 01:32:00,800
skew on that main stage, absolutely
outstanding all weekend, but felt I felt

1479
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:03,560
for them. They were just like
Jesus drives when he's going on at this

1480
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:09,680
moment, like absolutely just like like
ridiculous spectacle to win this, this many

1481
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:14,000
bodies on stage on top of each
other, and the band just reveling in

1482
01:32:14,079 --> 01:32:16,680
it, like yeah, you don't
get that at four o'clock download, do

1483
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:20,640
you? And I was planning to
see them at Download actually, but I'm

1484
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:25,680
really glad I didn't know. I'm
really glad my first exposure to both Outbreak

1485
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:29,199
and Solglow was there. It felt
like a more sort of appropriate, well

1486
01:32:29,239 --> 01:32:32,319
suited first taste kind of the full
package, you know, as a way

1487
01:32:32,359 --> 01:32:36,279
to start the evening, It's like
welcome, How could does it get?

1488
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:41,800
Yeah? And then Jesus Peace,
which might be less of a kind of

1489
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:45,720
an individual moment as like particularly again
the last like two minutes of that Soul

1490
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:48,039
Glow is at but I actually think
I might have enjoyed this even more than

1491
01:32:48,079 --> 01:32:53,960
Soul Glow on a musical level because
once again metalmaniac check guitarist wearing an archgoat

1492
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:57,880
hoodie which was a study and had
like a spike guitar strap. Sam was

1493
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:00,960
impressed that I recognized the Archgoat logo
from so far away, but I was

1494
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:02,560
like, believe me, I have
a lot of archcoat stuff. He just

1495
01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:06,960
needed like a bullet belt and a
spiked wristband to look like gall or someone.

1496
01:33:08,359 --> 01:33:11,000
It makes sense why Jesus Piece is
so brutal, right, and Jesus

1497
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:15,960
Piece are a terrifying live band,
Like I really like their albums, but

1498
01:33:16,079 --> 01:33:20,399
honestly, it's like something just happens
when they play. There is like this

1499
01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:26,640
fucking violent air. It's like there's
a red mist that just sets in around

1500
01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:30,680
you when Jesus Piece play, and
they are so so heavy and barbaric,

1501
01:33:31,079 --> 01:33:35,840
it's like a tank rolling through the
venue when they play, I think,

1502
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:40,000
on like a purely stunk level,
may well just be the heaviest band that

1503
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:43,560
played the festival, just in terms
of like the weight and heft and Aaron

1504
01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:48,840
Herd as a vocalist, he's like
barked, like just intense growls. Like

1505
01:33:49,119 --> 01:33:54,840
again sees when this like legitimately crushingly
heavy, this high up on the bill.

1506
01:33:55,279 --> 01:33:58,960
I mean it's like, again,
they're not the most experimental band of

1507
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:01,159
this part of the day, but
they still fit in being I mean,

1508
01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:05,000
looked them on stage and even with
the archco hoodie, they looked fucking cool

1509
01:34:05,159 --> 01:34:10,399
on stage, like they all had
so much presence. They're so heavy,

1510
01:34:10,399 --> 01:34:12,680
and they've actually, know, after
the back of the latest album, they've

1511
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:15,920
actually got a couple of vile with
like legitimate bangers in the set now,

1512
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:18,600
like fuck the bullshit, Yeah,
that is a hit for them. I

1513
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:20,520
think they had those on the first
album as well, and that was I

1514
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:23,359
know, you had like a pressure
and stuff like that. But I think

1515
01:34:23,399 --> 01:34:26,920
it's really stepped up in terms of
like recognizable, like oh yeah, well

1516
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:30,680
the mix of the ones they have
now this was the thing that really got

1517
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:32,560
me with them over some of the
more violent bands that we had on the

1518
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:36,680
main stage, like say Tsunami or
Candy or however, they've got songs I

1519
01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:41,399
think riffs. When they actually click
into them, you know what's going on

1520
01:34:41,439 --> 01:34:45,319
with them. Like when Jesus Piece
play Curse of the Serpent, you fucking

1521
01:34:45,399 --> 01:34:47,600
know what's going on. And when
they do fuck the bullshit like it.

1522
01:34:47,880 --> 01:34:54,399
It's songs that send people crazy while
being that level of barbaric, whereas like

1523
01:34:54,439 --> 01:34:57,159
for someone like say Tsunami, it's
just you know, the hot overal vibe.

1524
01:34:57,319 --> 01:35:00,159
Yeah, I would completely graphic Jesus
Peace have got Yeah, it was

1525
01:35:00,199 --> 01:35:03,560
watching Jesus Piece and then being so
heavy and having that just that reaction that

1526
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:06,399
I have when I'm watching I don't
know any number of extreme metal bands I

1527
01:35:06,399 --> 01:35:09,359
love when they click into a song
I love and it's like, oh yeah,

1528
01:35:09,399 --> 01:35:12,039
fuck that riff is like nasty as
hell when they do it. And

1529
01:35:12,079 --> 01:35:14,960
again it was euro Prison and all
this kind of stuff. Yeah, and

1530
01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:17,920
Aaron's reactions kind of like during the
whole this is not like last time we

1531
01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:21,000
played Outbreak, it was that again
led it sinking, as like what this

1532
01:35:21,119 --> 01:35:25,920
means to these bands where they are
getting to play shows on this scale with

1533
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:28,760
this crowd. It's one of the
things that I think, like all the

1534
01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:30,319
things that I want to give it
is what's saying our break out as a

1535
01:35:30,359 --> 01:35:33,960
special event. Yeah for me,
I mean when I when I talks about

1536
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:38,560
the Jesus Peace Record a couple of
months ago, I expressed that I still

1537
01:35:38,840 --> 01:35:41,720
thought that they somewhat lack song power, at least compared to their peers.

1538
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:44,600
It comes more live, doesn't it. Yeah, that's it, Like they

1539
01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:47,159
have all the heft and brute force
in the world and that will take you

1540
01:35:47,279 --> 01:35:51,039
very, very far live. But
the songs kind of revealed themselves in a

1541
01:35:51,079 --> 01:35:55,159
way that I wasn't anticipating. Yeah, they brought the fucking the thunder.

1542
01:35:55,199 --> 01:36:00,560
And Aaron Hood is a scary guy, Like even without him, the band

1543
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:03,600
are pretty intimidating. A scary guy
who also weirdly seems quite chill and like

1544
01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:11,199
you'd have a fun time genuine and
turns into a fucking animal, so does

1545
01:36:11,279 --> 01:36:15,920
Charles Manson, Like you had that
sort of intense like I'm actually a bit

1546
01:36:15,920 --> 01:36:19,000
worried Corners and that he's next to
a guy who's got chains and spikes next

1547
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:25,119
to his name, and I'm still
scared of the fucking like that kind of

1548
01:36:25,159 --> 01:36:28,520
like switch between the between some bantily
it seems quite chill, and then they

1549
01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:30,560
go into the song and like,
god damn, this guy wants to kill

1550
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:32,760
a man, Like, yeah,
it's great. And then we went kind

1551
01:36:32,760 --> 01:36:38,279
of further towards the back to watch
a band called Machine Girl who and this

1552
01:36:38,399 --> 01:36:42,479
felt like stepping into I'm going to
say a cyberpunk kind of future club from

1553
01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:45,600
this to the end of the day, basically yeah, because this was where

1554
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:48,720
we leaped into something that was super
experimental. Because Machine Girl have opened for

1555
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:54,199
Code Orange before on that like live
stream event that they did during the pandemic.

1556
01:36:54,199 --> 01:36:56,720
I don't know ne e ever played
together in person, but they've certainly

1557
01:36:56,720 --> 01:36:59,840
done that, so you know,
the name float around. It was something

1558
01:36:59,880 --> 01:37:00,800
that was definitely curious to watch,
and I was like, yeah, I'll

1559
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:03,720
watch Machine Girl. That'll hopefully be
cool. But I don't think we were

1560
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:11,840
quite prepared for Machine Girl. One
of the most overwhelming sets us all weekend.

1561
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:16,920
It was mental sounds. They were
just blasting at you from like the

1562
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:20,079
symms that kind of seemed to double
up and lay up every kind of passing

1563
01:37:20,119 --> 01:37:25,279
moment. The drummer just fucking going
hard. That was one of those ones

1564
01:37:25,319 --> 01:37:28,119
where again you were watching an Indian
reformance of that guy just going and it

1565
01:37:28,199 --> 01:37:31,439
was like, holy fucking shit,
that man is needs like fucking lie down

1566
01:37:31,560 --> 01:37:35,359
out of this. It's a unhinged
yelp of a vocal kind of starting to

1567
01:37:35,359 --> 01:37:40,960
do these just like wearing a Ferrari
jumpsuit, by the way, and then

1568
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:43,359
and then he picks up up the
time and starts like cranking out these riftest

1569
01:37:43,359 --> 01:37:45,479
one and it's kind of like,
God, this is so much. There

1570
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:48,720
was that moment and again the lighting
just blasting at you all times where it

1571
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:53,039
was Joe want the songs where they
were doing this like synth bit and then

1572
01:37:53,039 --> 01:37:57,520
it like the beat doubled up in
it when they were playing an already quite

1573
01:37:57,600 --> 01:38:02,159
fast like Ravy part and then suddenly
it like double that and went harder and

1574
01:38:02,199 --> 01:38:05,159
me and you just like look,
just started laughing. It was just it

1575
01:38:05,239 --> 01:38:10,239
was dizzying, is what it was. It was like full on like the

1576
01:38:10,319 --> 01:38:15,359
Cross like cyber grind almost a part
like kind of halfway between that and Rave

1577
01:38:15,439 --> 01:38:17,000
and again on record, I don't
know if it necessarily comes together to anything

1578
01:38:17,039 --> 01:38:21,399
personally, but live it was such
a bewildering assault I really recommend seeing it

1579
01:38:21,399 --> 01:38:24,399
if you get the shot, because
it was just like, whoa, this

1580
01:38:24,479 --> 01:38:28,239
is a fucking sight and sound to
behold. Because on record, my most

1581
01:38:28,239 --> 01:38:30,520
moving is they've done some video games
soundtrack stuff, which again like welcome to

1582
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:33,479
some of the more techno electronic stuff. I can totally see how that work

1583
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:36,560
was videogames. But then live it
just becomes like, God, this is

1584
01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:41,079
just the most dizzying array of sounds
sort of bombarding you. And I was

1585
01:38:41,119 --> 01:38:44,720
kinda like, but this is exciting
and it is engaging. It's not kind

1586
01:38:44,760 --> 01:38:46,520
of just like it never felt a
bit whacky or goofy to me, where

1587
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:50,359
I was kinda like, no,
this is actually like intense, like pounding

1588
01:38:50,359 --> 01:38:56,000
away at you like crazed noise.
Yes, I only knew the record wolf

1589
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:59,199
Girl before I saw this set,
and I, in my ignorance, I

1590
01:38:59,239 --> 01:39:01,239
thought this might be a bit of
a breather between Gene's Piece of Orange.

1591
01:39:01,479 --> 01:39:03,279
I thought, I'll stand at the
back and chill, you know, take

1592
01:39:03,359 --> 01:39:09,880
this in and just white noise screeching
like IDM. It was like Genghis Tron,

1593
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:12,239
but you could do big Fish,
little Fish, cardboard box to it.

1594
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:16,000
Again, the fact there's so much
of it. For this style of

1595
01:39:16,039 --> 01:39:18,920
music, it's kind of the nature
of it was kind of pre programmed,

1596
01:39:19,239 --> 01:39:24,199
but the whole thing felt so alive. Yeah. The live drama really added

1597
01:39:24,199 --> 01:39:26,399
to that because it was that full
long, Yeah I didn't do in your

1598
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:30,479
face. It's got a sort of
atri teenage riot quality in that sense.

1599
01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:33,279
And what I was expecting really was
something a bit more like Venetian Snares or

1600
01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:39,800
the mid two twenty tens ravy scynth
wave thing, and this was more like

1601
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:44,239
when I saw Melt Banana, but
also something that could have you line dancing.

1602
01:39:44,239 --> 01:39:46,359
It just I'm going to go back
through the catalog because I've not seen

1603
01:39:46,399 --> 01:39:49,399
anything like this before. And like
I said, for what was meant to

1604
01:39:49,479 --> 01:39:55,479
be the part where I relaxed and
maybe got some food, it was oral

1605
01:39:55,479 --> 01:39:59,319
punishment. It was fucking mad,
Yeah, And that led into Code Orange

1606
01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:04,399
were for me and me? Are
you as well? Sam? Maybe you

1607
01:40:04,439 --> 01:40:09,279
as well? Elliott. It was
like the most anticipated thing of the weekend

1608
01:40:09,399 --> 01:40:12,640
because I don't know if we've mentioned
this before, it's been five years since

1609
01:40:12,720 --> 01:40:15,680
Code Orange have played a show in
the UK. I was actually at the

1610
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:18,000
last one at the one time I
went to outbreak prior, and that feels

1611
01:40:18,039 --> 01:40:24,039
an awful long time ago. And
in those five years, not only as

1612
01:40:24,079 --> 01:40:28,960
the world changed dramatically, but Code
Orange have changed dramatically. They of course

1613
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:31,119
released Underneath in that time, which
feels like a fair while ago now,

1614
01:40:31,199 --> 01:40:34,920
but none of us here had had
any opportunity to see those songs live.

1615
01:40:35,199 --> 01:40:40,079
We have watched from a distance as
they have done tours with Corn and all

1616
01:40:40,079 --> 01:40:44,359
sorts in the US, but never
coming over here, canceling various performances like

1617
01:40:44,439 --> 01:40:46,920
a slam dunk I think at one
point in Bloodstock and stuff like that.

1618
01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:54,800
Obviously, in that time they gained
like at least one member because Jamie stepped

1619
01:40:54,840 --> 01:40:57,479
out from behind the drum kit to
become the full on front man. And

1620
01:40:57,520 --> 01:41:00,199
it feels like he's been doing that. I mean, obviously that was round

1621
01:41:00,239 --> 01:41:02,800
Underneath that they revealed that the first
year they did that was the live launch

1622
01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:06,479
stream final and so that's a long
time ago now that he's been doing that,

1623
01:41:06,520 --> 01:41:10,960
but none of us here had seen
it. This was like, oh

1624
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:15,000
my god, we have waited so
fucking long, not just to see the

1625
01:41:15,399 --> 01:41:18,039
Underneath material and the material they released
since then, because it's material that we

1626
01:41:18,079 --> 01:41:21,520
love and wanted to see, but
also like just one of the bands that

1627
01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:27,279
we have been the most like jazzed
about in the duration of this podcast,

1628
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:30,720
I guess, And for an awful
long fucking time we just weren't able to

1629
01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:35,880
see this band that we really love. So the homecoming event for them being

1630
01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:39,840
an outbreak was like, Okay,
that's that's what't going to be one of

1631
01:41:39,880 --> 01:41:42,439
the moments that we've got to go. The reason I went to this festival

1632
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:45,399
over any of the festival this year
is I was just like, don't care

1633
01:41:45,439 --> 01:41:48,119
about the rest of the lineup.
Dave got Code Orange. I'm not waiting

1634
01:41:48,279 --> 01:41:51,840
another minute to Code Orange. I
have waited five years. Yeah, Elliott,

1635
01:41:51,880 --> 01:41:55,239
you were saying that the last time
you saw Code Orange was on the

1636
01:41:55,279 --> 01:41:59,880
im King cycle. Yeah, twenty
fifteen, on the third stage at Download,

1637
01:42:00,199 --> 01:42:04,079
in front of who was one of
the most violent people in the pit

1638
01:42:04,159 --> 01:42:10,039
at that show, the sandwich between
a secret set by the Darkness and Evil

1639
01:42:10,119 --> 01:42:14,960
Scare. It could not have been
less ideal conditions to see Cold Orange.

1640
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:16,439
I mean, they were great,
but they're so different now. But then

1641
01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:19,760
there's just the four of them.
There was no real show at all.

1642
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:23,640
Obviously, I said James was behind
the drums, and they didn't have any

1643
01:42:23,680 --> 01:42:27,039
of the songs they've released since,
so they did still have My World and

1644
01:42:27,079 --> 01:42:31,800
I Am King. So the weekend, it's hard to quantify what different animal

1645
01:42:31,840 --> 01:42:34,960
they are in twenty twenty three,
and yeah, just the whole thing.

1646
01:42:35,159 --> 01:42:40,920
I'm going to see what everyone's talking
about, A No Barrier show. My

1647
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:46,720
first time seeing them in eight years
and from the Shania Twain Travis Bickle montage,

1648
01:42:48,199 --> 01:42:54,439
you just knew it was going to
be eleven out of ten and it

1649
01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:59,039
was. This was another one of
the things that they on the Forever cycle,

1650
01:43:00,039 --> 01:43:03,600
they used to have this really like
oppressive kind of red lighting. This

1651
01:43:03,720 --> 01:43:08,600
was like a full on cyber assault, like of just this, you know,

1652
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:12,880
the fucking all of you know,
the matrix shit being just like beating

1653
01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:16,640
at you like, you know,
a fucking light speed. And having only

1654
01:43:16,680 --> 01:43:21,720
been able to listen to Code Orange
on record for half a decade, and

1655
01:43:21,800 --> 01:43:26,119
we all remember how mad was underneath, you know what was to kind of

1656
01:43:26,159 --> 01:43:29,119
get your head around when we first
heard it, but it's almost like just

1657
01:43:29,159 --> 01:43:32,279
to be able to listen to the
records had sold short, how actually intense

1658
01:43:32,359 --> 01:43:40,119
Code Orange are because swallowing the rabbit
Hole live with that breakdown, it was

1659
01:43:40,159 --> 01:43:45,119
like mind blowing all over again.
It was just like what is going on?

1660
01:43:45,479 --> 01:43:51,359
Like the fucking audio like glitch assault, like the sound system just being

1661
01:43:51,439 --> 01:43:57,319
blown to fucking smithereens by them while
looking around you there are fists just fucking

1662
01:43:57,359 --> 01:44:05,199
flying everywhere. It was fucking like
staggeringly hard like they were. They were

1663
01:44:05,239 --> 01:44:10,960
the one banas. It actually like
really bought a genuine stage show in terms

1664
01:44:11,000 --> 01:44:14,239
of making news, Like because the
backdrop outback was this giant screen, and

1665
01:44:14,279 --> 01:44:16,560
a lot of bands I've just had
the outback logo or a static image of

1666
01:44:16,600 --> 01:44:21,840
their backdrop. Code Orange went all
in on having like unique screen. That

1667
01:44:21,920 --> 01:44:25,960
conversion of rotempts in the album marts
was really cool. But Code Orangs having

1668
01:44:26,039 --> 01:44:30,199
unique visuals for every song, combined
with them clearly peing a bit more fort

1669
01:44:30,199 --> 01:44:32,720
and effort into the lighting, gave
it a sense of like actual specialness.

1670
01:44:32,760 --> 01:44:36,159
I mean, how much that I
actually could have taken in quite limited.

1671
01:44:36,279 --> 01:44:39,439
I don't know how much I can
actually contribute to this in terms of like

1672
01:44:39,800 --> 01:44:43,840
objectively reviewing this, because I just
Code Orange was the set where the Red

1673
01:44:43,880 --> 01:44:47,039
Mist the second and I was like
I was just going forward that the moment

1674
01:44:47,039 --> 01:44:50,119
that opened with Grooming My Replacement,
and I was just like, fucking let's

1675
01:44:50,159 --> 01:44:54,119
go, and like jam of wins
seconds has smashed his head in with his

1676
01:44:54,199 --> 01:44:58,359
mic and his dripping blood within the
minute of Grooming My Replace and I was

1677
01:44:58,399 --> 01:45:02,119
called, like, this is fucking
intense, and like they are the most

1678
01:45:02,399 --> 01:45:08,119
intense band in terms of how they
play their instruments. Age member of codeins

1679
01:45:08,159 --> 01:45:11,399
plays their instruments. I've said,
like they're trying to break their guitars,

1680
01:45:11,880 --> 01:45:15,680
they are so hard at them,
and like that intensity never lets up.

1681
01:45:15,680 --> 01:45:20,840
So when you have groom own Placement, going into Swallowing the rabbit Hole seamlessly

1682
01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:27,279
into in Fear was just like again
stepping into the cyber nighte Apocalypse didn't do

1683
01:45:27,479 --> 01:45:30,960
loads of Underneath material. It was
you know again opening with the new song

1684
01:45:30,039 --> 01:45:33,800
and then Swallow the rabbit Hole in
it and in Fear back to back um

1685
01:45:33,960 --> 01:45:38,479
and then they did the remix version
of Undernea Drowning in It version of Underneath,

1686
01:45:38,479 --> 01:45:43,279
which again mental because a it fucked
up how you sing along to the

1687
01:45:43,359 --> 01:45:45,600
chorus because it drops lines out and
stuff. But it was so high paced

1688
01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:48,880
it was like WHOA where am I
again? It was a bewildering thing.

1689
01:45:49,560 --> 01:45:53,600
Yeah, like like to me though, that went fucking awful. That was

1690
01:45:53,640 --> 01:45:55,800
when I stage dive too, because
I was just gonna like so quip and

1691
01:45:55,840 --> 01:45:59,439
that beat it was like yeah yeah, like the level of again like oh

1692
01:45:59,479 --> 01:46:00,560
my god, into it, like
when they were doing bleeding in the blur,

1693
01:46:01,039 --> 01:46:06,319
the ending of like the line where
Reba was just like screaming like it's

1694
01:46:06,840 --> 01:46:14,479
to make fit, like not sucking
the nice melodics, just like I was

1695
01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:17,479
like, oh god, this would
be the chill moment they said no bodies

1696
01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:23,119
were flying just as hard. It
was insane. Never like it never louted.

1697
01:46:23,119 --> 01:46:26,239
The closures was the Dreams of Inertia
dream toothing, which still even again

1698
01:46:26,319 --> 01:46:30,199
just had I forgotten they do that. Every time the Dreams of Inertia chorus

1699
01:46:30,239 --> 01:46:31,640
came back around, it was like, oh yes, this is so fucking

1700
01:46:31,680 --> 01:46:36,039
cool. But it had so much
crushing sonic power to it, like when

1701
01:46:36,079 --> 01:46:40,640
they're going to Spy and that riff
hits on that main riff the Spy and

1702
01:46:40,880 --> 01:46:45,960
again you're bouncing, but it's so
packed in and elbows are flying and bodies

1703
01:46:45,960 --> 01:46:47,920
are flying at you. It is
kind of like fucking hell, what what

1704
01:46:48,199 --> 01:46:54,680
is going on? Here and again, Jamie stalking that stage like like then

1705
01:46:54,680 --> 01:46:59,000
he comes on with like a like
warped mask of his own face, like

1706
01:46:59,199 --> 01:47:03,119
just kind of add to the weird
uncanny nature of it, like and like

1707
01:47:03,800 --> 01:47:08,920
Joe running up and like grabbing people
and pulling them on stage to get them

1708
01:47:08,920 --> 01:47:15,159
to stage dive like that. Every
members are so riled up and wanted this

1709
01:47:15,279 --> 01:47:18,680
to be violent and choic as possible. Every member of Cold Orange has,

1710
01:47:18,680 --> 01:47:25,000
maybe more than any other band of
their generation, has such unique presence because

1711
01:47:25,079 --> 01:47:27,960
Jamie, when he came out from
behind the kit, I did wonder if

1712
01:47:27,960 --> 01:47:31,039
he was gonna have the same sort
of charisma, unique appeal or whatever.

1713
01:47:31,319 --> 01:47:35,960
He stalks the stage like Michael Myers
and then grabbing people to sing parts.

1714
01:47:36,319 --> 01:47:42,279
And then Shade looking like a goth. Bill Gates reboot has rockstar flare of

1715
01:47:42,279 --> 01:47:45,159
her own, and Joe is like
one of the security onto arch has just

1716
01:47:45,159 --> 01:47:49,520
been allowed to join the show.
He's so huge and scary looking like him

1717
01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:51,760
coming to back and just grabbing you
by the sort of stuff. And they

1718
01:47:51,800 --> 01:47:57,479
can get John stage stage dive,
do your part. They were broad stretches

1719
01:47:57,600 --> 01:48:00,399
of this gig that I don't really
remember. Lace it was the red missing

1720
01:48:00,439 --> 01:48:03,159
like groomer replacement. When I came
in, I was like, yeah,

1721
01:48:03,159 --> 01:48:06,119
I knew it was going to sound
fucking hard, but Jesus wept and then

1722
01:48:06,399 --> 01:48:11,039
swallowing the rabbit hole. I can
only remember the down we go a bit

1723
01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:15,039
when like one quick moment of clarity
and then talking about the stage diving,

1724
01:48:15,079 --> 01:48:18,560
I was doing like civil war strategies, trying to work out when and where

1725
01:48:18,560 --> 01:48:20,600
it's a stage that I was just
going, Okay, I've seen people jumping

1726
01:48:20,640 --> 01:48:24,600
off there they don't get caught.
Do you go up during a rush or

1727
01:48:24,600 --> 01:48:27,520
do you go up on your own? And then when my world came in,

1728
01:48:27,560 --> 01:48:30,000
I found myself up the front,
and I mean I stumbled getting up

1729
01:48:30,039 --> 01:48:32,680
and ended up. It ended looking
a bit like when Private Pile tried to

1730
01:48:32,720 --> 01:48:35,840
do the obstacle in full metal jacket. So I hope the cameras were looking

1731
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:40,439
elsewhere for that, I mean my
world. I was like, I was

1732
01:48:40,600 --> 01:48:45,600
spin kigging across the stage to my
world because that I was like that riff

1733
01:48:45,680 --> 01:48:48,560
again, he just no, that
is a fight riff. We had a

1734
01:48:48,640 --> 01:48:53,199
question a while ago about who in
twenty twenty three we would say are the

1735
01:48:53,199 --> 01:48:56,279
best live bands, and I was
saying, how it's kind of a difficult

1736
01:48:56,359 --> 01:48:59,920
question because there's still a lot that
we haven't been able to see post pandemic,

1737
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:03,319
and how like twenty seventeen, twenty
eighteen, Code Orange and Oathbreaker would

1738
01:49:03,319 --> 01:49:05,239
have been like the first two names
off the top of my head is like

1739
01:49:05,279 --> 01:49:09,319
definite, those are the best live
bands around. But hadn't been able to

1740
01:49:09,359 --> 01:49:12,640
say that about some of the acts
like Code Orange because we hadn't had your

1741
01:49:12,720 --> 01:49:15,439
cheat to see them in a while. Particularly with the Code Orange, They've

1742
01:49:15,439 --> 01:49:18,399
grown so much in that time.
After this weekend, can once again say

1743
01:49:18,600 --> 01:49:23,560
Code Orange might well be the best
live band in the world still like it

1744
01:49:23,680 --> 01:49:28,399
was nut the level of carnage,
the level of stage presence, the level

1745
01:49:28,439 --> 01:49:32,520
of audio fucking terror. Where again
I cannot express how much again the most

1746
01:49:32,600 --> 01:49:36,399
mental material I have, how in
the live environment it just like explodes the

1747
01:49:36,439 --> 01:49:41,119
inside of your head. They put
the fear of God into you. Like

1748
01:49:41,199 --> 01:49:44,159
the other really hardcore acts on the
bill, like Jesus Peace and so on,

1749
01:49:44,279 --> 01:49:47,119
but none of those are able to
kind of bridge into the experimental fair

1750
01:49:47,239 --> 01:49:49,840
of Machine Girl and Death Grips and
so on. They're the only one you'd

1751
01:49:49,840 --> 01:49:54,119
put in that slot between those bands, and like again I wasn't far at

1752
01:49:54,119 --> 01:49:57,319
the front like you. I'd played
that card with Converge. I was just

1753
01:49:57,319 --> 01:50:00,319
sort of in the middle. But
there was these open and a pit opened

1754
01:50:00,399 --> 01:50:02,640
up at the front, and so
there was the natural thing of everyone gets

1755
01:50:02,680 --> 01:50:10,079
pushed back behind and I stepped backwards
into nothing because I realized directly behind me

1756
01:50:10,319 --> 01:50:14,119
another huge pit had opened up,
and we were like this thin line of

1757
01:50:14,159 --> 01:50:17,159
people between the two things, and
as you say, fucking Jamie was like

1758
01:50:17,199 --> 01:50:24,000
bashing his head to pieces. And
then again past the opening where they did

1759
01:50:24,039 --> 01:50:27,359
like the handful of new songs,
we were saying, like we want even

1760
01:50:27,399 --> 01:50:30,840
more. They didn't play out for
Blood, which maybe they did that because

1761
01:50:30,840 --> 01:50:32,680
there were too many hardcore babies,
not like whining about it, although I

1762
01:50:32,680 --> 01:50:36,119
don't think that's very code orange to
about to that, but like no,

1763
01:50:36,239 --> 01:50:41,039
I think it's just they had forty
minutes. Yeah, I've listed one of

1764
01:50:41,039 --> 01:50:43,199
the songs from the last twelve months
I listened to the most. I still

1765
01:50:43,199 --> 01:50:45,319
need to see that song live.
But they began to lean more into older

1766
01:50:45,319 --> 01:50:48,439
materials I went on, and it
became again almost like this homecoming of like

1767
01:50:48,520 --> 01:50:53,439
five years gone from Outbreak, to
Outbreak when they did the ending of My

1768
01:50:53,560 --> 01:50:58,119
World and Forever My World. As
you say, in my head, it's

1769
01:50:58,159 --> 01:51:02,720
almost like that Outbreak song, right, It's like this is just right in

1770
01:51:02,760 --> 01:51:12,039
this environment, this particular song is
king that intro kicks, the spin kicks

1771
01:51:12,600 --> 01:51:16,399
start going, and then Forever as
well, which I vividly remember. It's

1772
01:51:16,439 --> 01:51:20,399
like my overriding memory from the last
Outbreak I went to seeing them close it

1773
01:51:20,600 --> 01:51:27,800
and the final breakdown part Forever.
I just vividly remember going feral and essentially

1774
01:51:27,880 --> 01:51:30,600
starting a pit with the people around
me, and it was almost like I

1775
01:51:30,600 --> 01:51:34,159
had a flashback of the same moment
happening again, and during that ending part,

1776
01:51:34,199 --> 01:51:36,359
where again I would have liked to
have seen some of the new material

1777
01:51:36,359 --> 01:51:39,960
that we still haven't got a chance
to see. But it was this feeling

1778
01:51:40,000 --> 01:51:45,640
of like we had the hardcore Legends
spot yesterday with Convergent Bain, but this

1779
01:51:45,720 --> 01:51:53,000
is like already that this is like
legendary Outbreak icon type hardcore material, like

1780
01:51:53,079 --> 01:51:56,199
My World is nearly ten years old, and people must for that song at

1781
01:51:56,199 --> 01:52:00,720
that festival like it's a song that
changed their lives. It's mental and it

1782
01:52:00,880 --> 01:52:03,840
felt like again forty minutes was not
enough for Code but again I wouldn't have

1783
01:52:03,880 --> 01:52:08,600
cut anything of the sex because it
all felt so well judged and kind of

1784
01:52:08,640 --> 01:52:12,760
like the it's all had like pigs
and trosting it, where like it can

1785
01:52:12,800 --> 01:52:14,960
almost give you a moment you're going
to be a bit more reserved, but

1786
01:52:15,159 --> 01:52:19,359
not actually be any less terrifying.
Again by the time of them into that

1787
01:52:19,439 --> 01:52:25,079
final brand than forever and Joe is
also his head is now busted over them,

1788
01:52:25,159 --> 01:52:29,560
like this band have no sort of
self preservation instinct. They want violence

1789
01:52:29,560 --> 01:52:32,760
and carnage. Like again, this
forty minutes is up there with the three

1790
01:52:32,760 --> 01:52:35,279
hours of Bruce Springsteen. Note maybe
not quite that, but it was.

1791
01:52:35,319 --> 01:52:39,199
You know, it's a close second
place of the best week I've seen this

1792
01:52:39,279 --> 01:52:44,960
year. There's just forty minute Apocalypse
and there's like them saying like this one

1793
01:52:45,000 --> 01:52:47,439
the best shows we ever played in
this bunker in a warehouse in Manchester,

1794
01:52:47,680 --> 01:52:54,000
like could not. It's one of
those moments where like we'd heard so much

1795
01:52:54,039 --> 01:52:59,199
bullshit surrounding Code Orange since last time
they were here, like people criticizing them

1796
01:52:59,199 --> 01:53:01,920
for this that and the they're like
not becoming the biggest band in the world

1797
01:53:02,079 --> 01:53:05,840
or whatever, like hardcore kids saying
they're past it while clinging to bands who

1798
01:53:05,840 --> 01:53:10,199
have an ounce of the creativity.
Jamie is a bad frontman. They need

1799
01:53:10,279 --> 01:53:13,600
someone better. They're a new metal
band now, whatever the hell people say

1800
01:53:13,600 --> 01:53:18,560
about them, those people, you
don't want to hear a word another word

1801
01:53:18,560 --> 01:53:20,680
of it. After Saturday, like
it was such a moment of like,

1802
01:53:20,720 --> 01:53:26,760
all of that bullshit is just bullshit
because a rammed ten thousand capacity room lost

1803
01:53:26,760 --> 01:53:29,760
their minds for Code Orange and you
could see Jamie standing at the front of

1804
01:53:29,760 --> 01:53:32,800
that stage looking out over that view, lording over it all like fuck,

1805
01:53:32,880 --> 01:53:35,880
yes, this is what it's about. This is what we started. Believe

1806
01:53:36,039 --> 01:53:41,720
us. They filmed like Sa Majusa's
Outbreak when that said drops on YouTube,

1807
01:53:41,880 --> 01:53:45,319
watch it and you and you'll see
like because it was just something else.

1808
01:53:45,399 --> 01:53:49,640
Yes, And the only thing that
could follow that level of intensity was Death

1809
01:53:49,640 --> 01:53:53,800
Grips because you gott imagine so many
bands would have struggled them and if you

1810
01:53:53,920 --> 01:53:58,000
if you had that ban set after, they could have headlined at night.

1811
01:53:58,039 --> 01:54:01,520
But yeah, yeah, but the
first hip hop headliner at Outbreak. But

1812
01:54:01,600 --> 01:54:03,800
Death Grips doesn't really feel like that
because I think, you know, when

1813
01:54:03,800 --> 01:54:06,600
we get to Denzel Curry Denzel Curry
is the true like out and out hip

1814
01:54:06,640 --> 01:54:12,039
hop headliner of Outbreaks. Here,
watching Death Grips feels as much like watching

1815
01:54:12,039 --> 01:54:15,600
some kind of extreme metal band as
it does you know, a rapper.

1816
01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:19,560
It's a really one of inclined experience
that nothing quite slips into like, oh

1817
01:54:19,600 --> 01:54:24,279
yeah, that's comparable, that's similar. So even if the Outbreak bill had

1818
01:54:24,319 --> 01:54:27,680
an overall leaned into hip hop this
year, I think Death Grips would always

1819
01:54:27,680 --> 01:54:30,359
would have made a kind of sense. I think this is where the day

1820
01:54:30,359 --> 01:54:33,119
ticketers were really most obvious, because
Death Grips fans are famously nuts. They

1821
01:54:33,119 --> 01:54:38,439
are one of the most intensely dedicated
fan bases on the planet. They and

1822
01:54:38,520 --> 01:54:42,319
they come out to grab what shows
they can as well, because Death Grips,

1823
01:54:42,359 --> 01:54:45,119
you know, they're quite a draw
when they do appear. I've seen

1824
01:54:45,119 --> 01:54:47,800
Death Ripts before at their own headline
show, so I knew what they were

1825
01:54:47,800 --> 01:54:50,600
in, what we were in for
the sense from a lot of maybe the

1826
01:54:50,680 --> 01:54:55,119
particularly the hardcore Outbreak fans who maybe
wouldn't have gone to see someone like Death

1827
01:54:55,119 --> 01:55:00,319
Grists before, who hadn't was like
not knowing what had happened to them.

1828
01:55:00,439 --> 01:55:02,880
Like I said, definitely on of
those bands I quiet deficult. I'm not

1829
01:55:02,920 --> 01:55:05,279
the biggest fan, but they're sort
of thing where I was. I wouldn't

1830
01:55:05,279 --> 01:55:08,399
see him like for a while,
but I wouldn't necessarily fork out to go

1831
01:55:08,439 --> 01:55:11,600
to their own gig. So this
was again perfect opportunity for me. I

1832
01:55:11,640 --> 01:55:13,600
was like, well, I'm already
going for Codeins, but like, hell

1833
01:55:13,720 --> 01:55:15,520
yeah, I want to see Death
Grips headline. And when they're coming out

1834
01:55:15,520 --> 01:55:19,159
and you know, you've just got
this boy on just this blaring red the

1835
01:55:19,159 --> 01:55:21,800
screen is just read at this point
there they've not got, you know,

1836
01:55:23,399 --> 01:55:26,079
again one the other finds. So
even though it was just a red screen,

1837
01:55:26,600 --> 01:55:30,680
really effective use of the sort of
screen backdrop. The funniest moment was

1838
01:55:30,720 --> 01:55:33,039
still the sound check for me,
just kind of be like that. That

1839
01:55:33,439 --> 01:55:36,159
sound check was kind of like,
oh God, this is gonna be fucking

1840
01:55:36,199 --> 01:55:39,960
mental, isn't it. Yeah,
So what happened was they came out on

1841
01:55:39,960 --> 01:55:46,079
stage again a very um no attention
drawn to the particuleever, and suddenly Guillotine

1842
01:55:46,079 --> 01:55:51,039
starts playing and you have that that
really I like recognized iconic beat and people

1843
01:55:51,119 --> 01:55:56,439
just immediately go oh because opening that
would be fucking mad. And the beginning

1844
01:55:56,439 --> 01:56:00,800
with the it goes, It Goes, It goes dude. Yeah, and

1845
01:56:00,840 --> 01:56:03,439
then they end there and people realized
that was the sound check and people are

1846
01:56:03,439 --> 01:56:06,079
like, oh, fuck, you
got It's okay, And then hilariously there

1847
01:56:06,119 --> 01:56:12,560
was a one more song chant off
stage was so good. I mean,

1848
01:56:12,640 --> 01:56:15,680
this was the thing that really swung
me getting the ticket. It was a

1849
01:56:15,720 --> 01:56:18,840
week or so out of the festival
and I was listening to No One Love

1850
01:56:18,880 --> 01:56:23,479
Deep Webb in the carnage, thought
no they were. They were such a

1851
01:56:23,479 --> 01:56:26,520
formative band for me, not just
one of the first hip hop acts I

1852
01:56:26,560 --> 01:56:29,560
really fell in love with, but
maybe the most significant band who I could

1853
01:56:29,600 --> 01:56:32,720
genuinely say I was sort of early
doors for it. Sounds like a sort

1854
01:56:32,760 --> 01:56:36,560
of hipster lie, but I was
on. I was stalking grind called karaoke

1855
01:56:36,880 --> 01:56:41,479
in twenty eleven and that's where Ex
Military sort of started making its rounds.

1856
01:56:41,840 --> 01:56:45,399
And since then they've been a real
like bucket list band, and I don't

1857
01:56:45,479 --> 01:56:50,279
think I've ever come away from a
set genuinely speechless before. I don't know

1858
01:56:50,319 --> 01:56:54,840
if it was the exhaustion or the
sweat. And just to get to give

1859
01:56:54,880 --> 01:56:59,000
a mental image of the sweat,
I had a beer chucked on my head

1860
01:56:59,720 --> 01:57:04,760
overhead moments before the show started,
five second, five minutes in. I

1861
01:57:04,840 --> 01:57:10,840
didn't know where it hit because the
whole body was soaked through. And when

1862
01:57:10,840 --> 01:57:15,119
I emerged at the end and parents
spotted me and said, our boy's tripped

1863
01:57:15,119 --> 01:57:17,159
to the steam room, I tried
to quit. You and your friend who

1864
01:57:17,159 --> 01:57:19,960
were with you literally like you'd been
to a sauna, because you both just

1865
01:57:20,039 --> 01:57:26,840
appeared out of this tied around waist
covered in sweat, looking like lost sweaty

1866
01:57:26,880 --> 01:57:30,039
boys. It was brilliant. It
was about like you watched that the first

1867
01:57:30,079 --> 01:57:31,119
couple of songs with us, and
then you were gone, and I was

1868
01:57:31,159 --> 01:57:35,439
like, never seen again. I
mean, I can't blame you, like

1869
01:57:35,560 --> 01:57:38,680
you probably don't have to go far
to reach a pit, to be honest,

1870
01:57:38,720 --> 01:57:42,239
because we were quite far back.
But that whole front area was a

1871
01:57:42,319 --> 01:57:45,319
pit essentially, wasn't it. Yeah, And you could just keep sort of

1872
01:57:45,399 --> 01:57:47,560
pit hopping all the way to the
front because space just kept opening up.

1873
01:57:47,760 --> 01:57:50,479
And when I came back, I
was gonna say how great it was,

1874
01:57:50,880 --> 01:57:59,239
and I believe my exact words were, and it was that something along those

1875
01:57:59,279 --> 01:58:02,000
lines. Yeah. Again. We
were stood literally right at the very back

1876
01:58:02,079 --> 01:58:05,479
of like the central golden wristband area, which is normally the place where people

1877
01:58:05,479 --> 01:58:09,319
can just stand to get a good
central view, but not mosh or anything.

1878
01:58:09,439 --> 01:58:12,119
And there were pits around us right
at the very back of that space.

1879
01:58:12,159 --> 01:58:15,520
Again when giving bad people good ideas
and that like fucked up extreme metal

1880
01:58:15,560 --> 01:58:19,479
blast beat riff occurs, the space
around us just went fucking mad. And

1881
01:58:19,560 --> 01:58:25,199
like the thing about Death is their
set lists feel like a kind of miasma

1882
01:58:25,239 --> 01:58:30,479
that you're lost in somehow. It's
like this just constant dark murk that sometimes

1883
01:58:30,680 --> 01:58:33,199
songs will just burst out of in
really jubilant fashion when they'll do you know,

1884
01:58:33,239 --> 01:58:36,119
I've seen footage or get got or
taki on or whatever. There's kind

1885
01:58:36,119 --> 01:58:39,920
of huge heavy hitters, and then
it will slip back down into the black

1886
01:58:39,960 --> 01:58:43,800
again and get subsumed by something else
because there's no stops between their songs,

1887
01:58:43,960 --> 01:58:46,800
there's just constant transitions. With the
drummer zat Kill, which again for a

1888
01:58:46,880 --> 01:58:49,640
hip hop out, they have a
live punk drummer, and there's a really

1889
01:58:49,640 --> 01:58:53,079
famous death grips image from a few
years ago of one of his kits just

1890
01:58:53,159 --> 01:58:55,560
covered in his blood from his fucking
knuckles, and you watch it and you're

1891
01:58:55,600 --> 01:58:59,960
like, watch him play like he
doesn't stop, constantly free form flow,

1892
01:59:00,159 --> 01:59:03,520
each song too, the next one, no courtesy talking to the crowd at

1893
01:59:03,520 --> 01:59:06,319
all, no changes in the lighting
at all, just kind of these long,

1894
01:59:06,479 --> 01:59:12,680
gangly silhouettes like thrashing around away at
the back. And even though they

1895
01:59:12,680 --> 01:59:15,439
have such a huge fan base and
they have such a huge online profile,

1896
01:59:15,800 --> 01:59:18,880
and they've shaken up the industry so
much and had such a big influence and

1897
01:59:18,880 --> 01:59:21,760
so on, there's still something about
Death Grips, particularly when you're at their

1898
01:59:21,800 --> 01:59:27,000
shows, that still feels like something
of an underground thing, Like it still

1899
01:59:27,039 --> 01:59:31,640
feels like a genuinely subversive, dangerous
event that you've kind of wandered your way

1900
01:59:31,800 --> 01:59:35,239
naively into. So for Outbreak,
I imagine it would have been a lot

1901
01:59:35,239 --> 01:59:41,479
of people being like WHOA like shows
can still feel like that here where,

1902
01:59:41,479 --> 01:59:45,319
even when it's outside what is sort
of normal for Outbreak? I genuinely think

1903
01:59:45,319 --> 01:59:47,159
Death Grips, if it take a
sort of size out of it. On

1904
01:59:47,199 --> 01:59:50,840
a sort of artistic level, they're
in the lineage of bands like Crass,

1905
01:59:51,239 --> 01:59:56,000
Nine Inch Nails, Swans, that
sort of thing, those bands twenty Century

1906
01:59:56,000 --> 01:59:59,399
one, oh for sure, Like
when System Blower came in as the intro,

1907
01:59:59,600 --> 02:00:02,359
which has we came to blow your
system into that like comically caustic sub

1908
02:00:02,439 --> 02:00:06,760
drop as a way to open your
set. But then when they played I've

1909
02:00:06,760 --> 02:00:11,920
seen footage the band that I've just
compared to crass and throbbing, like it

1910
02:00:12,039 --> 02:00:15,279
had the crowd bouncing like it was
my generation or something. It was fucking

1911
02:00:15,439 --> 02:00:19,319
lunacy. I mean, like to
me again, I can't see you all

1912
02:00:19,359 --> 02:00:23,119
the def Greate songs, I'm not
too familiar with them, but those hits

1913
02:00:23,119 --> 02:00:25,279
do so out and like it did, you know, get even a bit

1914
02:00:25,279 --> 02:00:29,239
intense for me a points where it's
just so relentless and just like wearing you

1915
02:00:29,279 --> 02:00:30,760
down and then just giving those odd
bits of like okay, here's the banger

1916
02:00:30,800 --> 02:00:36,039
you can bounce on too. But
they genuinely did feel intense and scary,

1917
02:00:36,159 --> 02:00:41,279
like they had that that thing that
like noise and industrial and or grind man

1918
02:00:41,359 --> 02:00:45,399
taway. It's just it's so full
throated and discs and even like barking and

1919
02:00:45,479 --> 02:00:49,640
shouting at you, and it's just
kind of like constant, just like drill

1920
02:00:49,760 --> 02:00:54,640
sergeant yelling at you to just get
your arms up basically and just go.

1921
02:00:54,760 --> 02:00:58,760
And the drums just I've come out
of actually being like, man that Deference

1922
02:00:58,840 --> 02:01:00,640
drummer is a lunatic. You can
keep going for that, Like the little

1923
02:01:00,640 --> 02:01:04,319
trends are such a like important part
all these vices come together. That is

1924
02:01:04,359 --> 02:01:10,039
so just so intense that I was
kind of like, you're coming after Code

1925
02:01:10,079 --> 02:01:13,600
Orange and again, like I enjoyed
the Codeoing set considerably more because I fucking

1926
02:01:13,600 --> 02:01:15,319
love Code Orange. But they're the
one the few bands, they're probably the

1927
02:01:15,319 --> 02:01:19,479
only bands who could come on after
them and match them for intensity and for

1928
02:01:19,840 --> 02:01:24,079
like devastating power. And let me
just say again as the person who've seen

1929
02:01:24,119 --> 02:01:28,359
death Grists before, this show wasn't
particularly special, Like this wasn't a ab

1930
02:01:28,439 --> 02:01:31,840
normal like wow, what a what
an incredible night for death Grips. Death

1931
02:01:31,840 --> 02:01:36,119
Grip shows just turn up to wherever
they might be playing and do that like

1932
02:01:36,319 --> 02:01:40,960
that is par for the course.
That is what every Death Grip show that

1933
02:01:41,000 --> 02:01:44,960
they've ever played in front of a
you know, their own fans feels like.

1934
02:01:45,199 --> 02:01:50,880
So again, perfect kind of conclusion
to that Sunday, I want to

1935
02:01:50,960 --> 02:01:56,359
quickly ask you Sam. First of
all, yeah, population estimate for Sunday,

1936
02:01:56,399 --> 02:01:59,279
because this is the day that people
were worried about in terms of would

1937
02:01:59,319 --> 02:02:02,439
half of the hard fans go home? I had in my head. I

1938
02:02:02,479 --> 02:02:05,840
was like, people are gonna get
on early again because Outbreaker put you know,

1939
02:02:05,960 --> 02:02:10,960
Diad's blow. Let's put the Flat
Spot the Flat Spot Records Trio early

1940
02:02:11,039 --> 02:02:14,399
on the Sunday get people in there, and I was like, are people

1941
02:02:14,479 --> 02:02:17,880
gonna you know, then Ghost outside
watched the one legacy hardcore band in the

1942
02:02:17,920 --> 02:02:21,039
final heart of the day and then
bug off and go home. So I

1943
02:02:21,079 --> 02:02:27,159
was genuinely curious as the side it
wasn't as busy as Saturday that you felt

1944
02:02:27,159 --> 02:02:29,840
that immediately, and that was probably
because, like there were day to get

1945
02:02:29,920 --> 02:02:32,119
shifted, but there wasn't, you
know, the entire Death Grips contingent.

1946
02:02:32,359 --> 02:02:38,960
Yeah, again, I would say
it felt more like Saturday was particularly busy,

1947
02:02:39,199 --> 02:02:42,319
with the fact that it was top
to bottom the best lineup of hardcore

1948
02:02:42,359 --> 02:02:45,720
bands, as well as having the, as you say, the the Death

1949
02:02:45,720 --> 02:02:47,920
Grips factor, which you can't be
underestimated how many tickets that will shift to

1950
02:02:47,920 --> 02:02:51,000
people who will come out just for
Death Grips. It felt more like that

1951
02:02:51,239 --> 02:02:56,640
than it did. Sunday was underperforming, which is which was the reassuring part

1952
02:02:57,159 --> 02:02:59,800
about that Yeah, absolutely, it
didn't. It didn't. Today still didn't

1953
02:02:59,800 --> 02:03:03,640
feel empty, and especially again the
hip hop hacks, you you felt towards

1954
02:03:03,680 --> 02:03:05,840
the end of the day and some
of the when you got some of the

1955
02:03:05,840 --> 02:03:11,680
bigger names, they were still pulling
in full, packed out outbreak crowds,

1956
02:03:11,720 --> 02:03:14,760
which was really good to see.
But you know, it definitely like it

1957
02:03:14,800 --> 02:03:16,159
was. I think it was just
like Saturday was the event day, so

1958
02:03:16,239 --> 02:03:21,039
it poured the biggest crowd, but
Sunday was still a good a good turnout,

1959
02:03:21,039 --> 02:03:24,960
and they they've definitely you know,
made the most of the biggest space.

1960
02:03:25,079 --> 02:03:27,960
Yeah, as you say, it
certainly started very hardcore with the trio

1961
02:03:28,000 --> 02:03:31,720
of Bounds at the front hair but
the first of which was Zulu Yep again

1962
02:03:31,880 --> 02:03:38,840
making their return from actually technically playing
a slot down because they played after Scout

1963
02:03:38,880 --> 02:03:45,840
last year, but still playing moment, actually getting an extra ten minutes in

1964
02:03:45,840 --> 02:03:47,760
their set. I think it was
the Mutter of Any used about five minutes

1965
02:03:47,760 --> 02:03:50,800
of that because it was funny how
these first three bands all kind of were

1966
02:03:50,800 --> 02:03:55,000
meant to overlap of each other,
and they all made where they carved their

1967
02:03:55,000 --> 02:03:58,720
sets a couple minutes early so you
could get from one to the other but

1968
02:03:58,720 --> 02:04:02,880
but again much bigger crowd this time, much more crowd knowing the songs and

1969
02:04:02,920 --> 02:04:09,680
really going for it. Obviously we
don't entirely see Zulu I. They're one

1970
02:04:09,720 --> 02:04:14,119
of my favorite new bands. You
have some very fair and like well justified

1971
02:04:14,119 --> 02:04:16,720
criticisms, so I was kind of
interested to see how live I would do,

1972
02:04:16,800 --> 02:04:20,800
and I imagine coming off it,
as we kind of discussed live could

1973
02:04:20,840 --> 02:04:25,319
have does lay out like again,
what's really good about Zulu, but also

1974
02:04:25,359 --> 02:04:30,159
where your criticisms do actually really come
to the four live? Because it is

1975
02:04:30,039 --> 02:04:35,760
massive, crushing hardcore song, A
couple of them, soulful jazz hip hop

1976
02:04:35,800 --> 02:04:40,159
interlude, yeah, a bunch of
hardcore songs. I like, again,

1977
02:04:40,239 --> 02:04:43,239
there's this real sort of like like
an attack gang about them where there's like

1978
02:04:43,359 --> 02:04:48,039
three of them that do do vocals, like the drummer behind, and there

1979
02:04:48,079 --> 02:04:50,399
was just like a really just another
one of those hardcore bands where there's really

1980
02:04:50,439 --> 02:04:55,399
almost like death metal heaviness about them
in their guitar tone, like properly stompy,

1981
02:04:56,000 --> 02:05:00,039
nasty, low end things again real
power violence. Yeah. But again,

1982
02:05:00,359 --> 02:05:04,760
the thing with the Zulu thing is
like I almost felt like it almost

1983
02:05:04,760 --> 02:05:09,199
came across when review the album that
I don't like Zulu. When if I

1984
02:05:09,239 --> 02:05:11,199
was reviewing that album, I would
give it a seven out of ten.

1985
02:05:11,319 --> 02:05:14,640
Right, that's a positive review.
I like Zulu and this was a good

1986
02:05:14,680 --> 02:05:17,640
set in terms of that real aggression. Again, they came across really cool.

1987
02:05:17,840 --> 02:05:21,159
They had charisma when they were playing
that kind of fast hardcore, which

1988
02:05:21,199 --> 02:05:26,279
not every band does. The funniest
moment was the guitar its phraze hand to

1989
02:05:26,359 --> 02:05:29,479
the crowd and then just putting out
another hand putting that on afterwards. Again,

1990
02:05:29,680 --> 02:05:32,239
yeah, cool, like little moment. But but the thing with Zulu

1991
02:05:32,560 --> 02:05:41,880
is I constructive criticism is what I
would you know, that's this is a

1992
02:05:41,880 --> 02:05:46,199
good foundation for something really really cool. But if it's going to get to

1993
02:05:46,279 --> 02:05:49,399
the point where people were really bigging
it up to me, then there's major

1994
02:05:50,159 --> 02:05:56,520
evolution that needs to be done in
terms of weaving things together. And I

1995
02:05:56,560 --> 02:05:59,000
agree. In terms of watching this, I was like, yeah, that

1996
02:05:59,039 --> 02:06:01,479
was that was You had charisma.
That was good. But nothing I said

1997
02:06:01,520 --> 02:06:06,399
about the album was disproved at all
because it was straightforward, beat down hardcore

1998
02:06:06,600 --> 02:06:10,600
with some soul until those when they're
not playing you know, and that did

1999
02:06:11,159 --> 02:06:13,640
that created some kind of cool moments
like there was a part when the guitarists

2000
02:06:13,680 --> 02:06:16,239
was speaking to the crowd and there
was this kind of like really dreamy,

2001
02:06:16,399 --> 02:06:18,560
like you know, kind of soul
piece behind him, and while he was

2002
02:06:18,600 --> 02:06:21,159
talking, like gave this really it
was almost like being a like kind of

2003
02:06:21,199 --> 02:06:26,960
like like hippie festival or something for
it's really dreamy moments. So that was

2004
02:06:27,000 --> 02:06:29,720
really really cool as a contrast to
again, they're really really heavy stuff.

2005
02:06:30,079 --> 02:06:34,159
But in terms of like when they
are playing as a hardcore band, if

2006
02:06:34,159 --> 02:06:39,439
it's anything revelatory, no it isn't. Yeah, No, I I think

2007
02:06:39,439 --> 02:06:42,920
that's fair. I mean again,
I think those songs are really like there's

2008
02:06:42,920 --> 02:06:45,960
a couple of those songs like again, they've kind of really like stuck with

2009
02:06:45,079 --> 02:06:48,760
Me off the album, and I
like the space in between where they do

2010
02:06:48,840 --> 02:06:53,079
things. I agree, if they
really want to capitalize on it, they

2011
02:06:53,079 --> 02:06:58,000
need to find a way to integrate
those into something where where they do like

2012
02:06:58,079 --> 02:07:00,960
the turn stuffing of like really brilliant
pop and hardcore and hip hop and all

2013
02:07:01,000 --> 02:07:03,680
that they knew that. I think
they'll be fantastic what they are though,

2014
02:07:03,680 --> 02:07:10,399
it's just a really enjoyable Again early
in the day, get everyone in and

2015
02:07:10,439 --> 02:07:13,439
just wake you up and shake you
to lie. Yeah, it worked well

2016
02:07:13,439 --> 02:07:15,520
as the beginning of the day that
had loads of hip hop as well.

2017
02:07:15,520 --> 02:07:18,880
To have this hardcore band who are
using these like other musical elements in their

2018
02:07:18,920 --> 02:07:23,159
show at least like the soul breaks
and so on. I think Zulu were

2019
02:07:23,159 --> 02:07:25,520
cool and this was a good set. Just once again, I don't think

2020
02:07:25,520 --> 02:07:29,239
any of my actual critiques of the
album, which were constructive critiques, not

2021
02:07:29,319 --> 02:07:32,600
condemnations, none of those were actually
addressed in a set like this. Did

2022
02:07:33,079 --> 02:07:39,760
we saw more creative and spicy stuff
on that stage elsewhere that weekend. Buggin

2023
02:07:40,039 --> 02:07:43,359
when next over from the second stage, who was busier for the first band

2024
02:07:43,399 --> 02:07:45,119
on the second stage than we had
seen on the other days. I thought,

2025
02:07:45,239 --> 02:07:49,159
is like clearly word around that album
had had gotten round, which was

2026
02:07:49,279 --> 02:07:56,439
very like you know, shrill piercing
short songs. Yeah again, that this

2027
02:07:56,520 --> 02:07:58,880
one where I said, like all
three of these bands were on the same

2028
02:07:58,960 --> 02:08:01,119
label and they were all into like
kind of overlap by like ten minutes or

2029
02:08:01,119 --> 02:08:05,079
so, but they just just said
all. I don't know if that was

2030
02:08:05,119 --> 02:08:07,039
intentional as much that is, we're
a hardcore band that we're going to play

2031
02:08:07,079 --> 02:08:11,000
five minutes under our time slot because
that's what we all do. Yeah,

2032
02:08:11,039 --> 02:08:13,680
I've onbably just went may have been
intention to make sure that Evan because the

2033
02:08:15,000 --> 02:08:18,119
vocalist and Bugging did appear during Zulie
set as well. She kind of burst

2034
02:08:18,159 --> 02:08:20,279
on stage to do her a little
bit. But yeah, like Bugging and

2035
02:08:20,439 --> 02:08:24,439
really cool. I the have album
Concrete Cowboys from a couple of weeks ago.

2036
02:08:24,439 --> 02:08:28,039
I think it's awesome because again it's
really like punky and fast pace and

2037
02:08:28,199 --> 02:08:33,640
aggressive and short shot bust, but
it's got a real shrill intensity to it

2038
02:08:33,720 --> 02:08:35,560
and they they they bring that in
the live show. Yeah. The vocalist

2039
02:08:35,600 --> 02:08:39,119
was doing her the picking up the
change move an awful lot throughout the set,

2040
02:08:39,199 --> 02:08:46,239
which was fun. Yeah. Again
like probably when I've got low Semo

2041
02:08:46,279 --> 02:08:48,520
because I was I was like,
yeah, it was really good a gro

2042
02:08:48,600 --> 02:08:50,479
hardcore set, And we could have
said that about a bunch of bands already

2043
02:08:50,560 --> 02:08:54,840
on this review, but I did. I found Bugging really enjoyable. Yeah,

2044
02:08:54,880 --> 02:08:58,640
I mean on that note speed when
F two, a lot of people

2045
02:08:58,640 --> 02:09:03,239
were there for Speed. Yeah,
during the set, there was an awful

2046
02:09:03,279 --> 02:09:05,000
lot of like I don't know if
this is a thing, but there were

2047
02:09:05,039 --> 02:09:11,680
loads people going speed speed like an
echoing type feel. It was like really

2048
02:09:11,680 --> 02:09:15,520
really bizarre. Musically, I've forgotten
everything about Speed, like it was another

2049
02:09:15,520 --> 02:09:18,920
one like Fury where on record I
would probably never think about it again.

2050
02:09:18,199 --> 02:09:22,520
But this year I think they've got
more going for them than I say,

2051
02:09:22,560 --> 02:09:26,880
again mem bits and like musically don't
remember a fucking thing. It was a

2052
02:09:26,920 --> 02:09:31,640
hard core set, but there was
like an excitable puppy vibe around it.

2053
02:09:33,000 --> 02:09:35,039
He's the most hyped up front man, I think of the whole festival.

2054
02:09:35,079 --> 02:09:39,359
He was just like not big,
but like jacked and just kind of like

2055
02:09:39,560 --> 02:09:48,359
hate this is I'm from Sydney,
bitch, start running going. I was

2056
02:09:48,399 --> 02:09:52,319
like, oh, mate's and my
everything with him is everyone that just every

2057
02:09:52,319 --> 02:09:54,000
couple of songs he would just grab
the guitar with one of his bandmates,

2058
02:09:54,159 --> 02:09:56,159
give them the mag let them do
them, and he'd played their part of

2059
02:09:56,199 --> 02:10:01,359
the time, just didn't stop and
he numbers like having a narcosse. I

2060
02:10:01,359 --> 02:10:05,359
was twelve years old and shouting out
Northern Unrest and like knowing the UKs as

2061
02:10:05,359 --> 02:10:11,520
well that this is clearly dude who
fucking lives and breathes hardcore and he's so

2062
02:10:11,520 --> 02:10:15,920
so enthusiastic about it. Yeah,
I found him to be I'm don't like,

2063
02:10:15,960 --> 02:10:18,079
you know, the edge of these
band infectures none more so than with

2064
02:10:18,239 --> 02:10:22,359
Speed because of how much this guy
was just living for it. I should

2065
02:10:22,479 --> 02:10:26,960
we should just quickly say as well
in terms of like international bands shouting out

2066
02:10:26,000 --> 02:10:30,279
UK hardcore, they were like three
bands on the main stage, like some

2067
02:10:30,279 --> 02:10:33,439
of the bigger bands as well,
who went off on one about how great

2068
02:10:33,520 --> 02:10:35,239
High Vis are, Like particularly like
that the front a from Bane did like

2069
02:10:35,279 --> 02:10:41,079
a whole speech about how inspiring High
Vis it was, Like this band who

2070
02:10:41,159 --> 02:10:43,359
pretty knew is that everyone's like,
oh yeah, High Vis they're the fucking

2071
02:10:43,359 --> 02:10:45,560
shit, which again there's another one
that's kind of you can tell, but

2072
02:10:45,640 --> 02:10:48,680
there's it was defeated say we didn't
want to come on stage after High Vis

2073
02:10:48,680 --> 02:10:52,359
they're too good like yeah today though
after after this part it was very touristy

2074
02:10:52,439 --> 02:10:56,840
for me as like only kind of
slight hip hop head again, like my

2075
02:10:56,039 --> 02:11:00,600
all time my all time favorite hip
hop project is Death Grip and that's in

2076
02:11:00,640 --> 02:11:05,039
that kind of again more intense experimental
kind of zone. For a lot of

2077
02:11:05,039 --> 02:11:07,560
what was booked on Sunday, there
was a lot of megoing kind of back

2078
02:11:07,560 --> 02:11:11,399
of abe stages just totally you know, open minded, you know, who's

2079
02:11:11,399 --> 02:11:15,680
this gent here kind of so on. First up was Tom the Mailman,

2080
02:11:16,039 --> 02:11:18,039
who we saw on the second stage, which was very you know, kind

2081
02:11:18,039 --> 02:11:24,840
of melodic smooth style. Is that
kind of SoundCloud emo hip hop. He

2082
02:11:24,880 --> 02:11:30,239
was wearing a faster Pussycat Kill Kill
shirt. Very cool, very very small

2083
02:11:30,239 --> 02:11:35,960
crowd for him, but he worked
to get them involved, which was very

2084
02:11:35,039 --> 02:11:39,199
endearing. Yeah, Like he did
quite a lot of songs where he was

2085
02:11:39,439 --> 02:11:41,359
down in the cloud. He did
like on the kind of like the most

2086
02:11:41,399 --> 02:11:43,920
kind of emo e balladie song he
had, he got everyone to sit down

2087
02:11:43,920 --> 02:11:46,319
on the ground and sat down in
the middle of them like a little campfire,

2088
02:11:46,840 --> 02:11:50,239
and taught them like at least the
main hook to the chorus so he

2089
02:11:50,239 --> 02:11:52,680
could get a bit of a sing
along going. There was one of these

2090
02:11:52,680 --> 02:11:54,560
more agros songs where he got the
circle bit going around him and and people

2091
02:11:54,640 --> 02:11:58,520
got involved with it. As small
as the crowd was. I've run him

2092
02:11:58,520 --> 02:12:01,520
to be quite impressive in just in
terms of like understanding he's playing to like

2093
02:12:01,720 --> 02:12:03,600
he's not in his home too,
if this is his first time in the

2094
02:12:03,680 --> 02:12:09,960
UK and he's playing at a punk
and hardcore festival, embracing that and working

2095
02:12:09,000 --> 02:12:11,319
to kind of at least get some
people will kind of come away to talk

2096
02:12:11,319 --> 02:12:15,079
about. Like Tom the mail Man
was cool. Yeah, And also I

2097
02:12:15,079 --> 02:12:16,199
mainly went to see him because his
name was Tom the Mailman, which I

2098
02:12:16,199 --> 02:12:20,279
thought was very good. But again
it's not something I'm ever going to listen

2099
02:12:20,279 --> 02:12:22,520
to again. But in terms of
just like watching him before him, it

2100
02:12:22,520 --> 02:12:24,600
was like, yeah, go on, no, I wish only good things

2101
02:12:24,600 --> 02:12:28,439
for you, sir. And there
was also our first meme horn I'm going

2102
02:12:28,479 --> 02:12:33,479
to say, or for the next
hour or so, they were pretty like

2103
02:12:33,479 --> 02:12:35,720
two hours. They were pretty relentless
late later became a fixture, didn't it.

2104
02:12:37,039 --> 02:12:39,159
I don't know who you went to
next. I went to the main

2105
02:12:39,159 --> 02:12:43,479
Stay to see play That Boy's A. I went to grab food quickly and

2106
02:12:43,520 --> 02:12:48,199
then catch the end of play That
Yeah. So I um again for a

2107
02:12:48,199 --> 02:12:52,720
couple of these hip hop acts.
I went up to the little VIP viewing

2108
02:12:52,760 --> 02:12:56,560
area bits on the side. Yeah. I played My High and Mighty car

2109
02:12:56,640 --> 02:13:00,439
to law down Above from Above you
and I went and sat down and so

2110
02:13:00,560 --> 02:13:05,520
on and play the Boys A.
He was on the Health, one of

2111
02:13:05,520 --> 02:13:09,439
their disco colab albums. So I
was slightly aware of his kind of dabblings

2112
02:13:09,439 --> 02:13:11,800
into heavy music. He was the
first to have this real like you know,

2113
02:13:11,920 --> 02:13:16,079
kind of trap bouncing, you know, get people riled up feel,

2114
02:13:16,239 --> 02:13:18,840
which was even though he had a
very modest crowd for the main area,

2115
02:13:18,920 --> 02:13:22,079
like that, dude look quite small
to me as a kind of side on

2116
02:13:22,239 --> 02:13:24,720
view in that crowd, there was
like a pit going and stuff like that.

2117
02:13:24,920 --> 02:13:28,319
Yeah, I was stood when I
came in at the very back outside

2118
02:13:28,359 --> 02:13:31,640
the front standing area, and I
could see it was sparse, but people

2119
02:13:31,680 --> 02:13:35,880
again were really enthusiastic. I like. And then that went into Michi Darko,

2120
02:13:37,039 --> 02:13:39,800
who individually I was very familiar with. He was in a group called

2121
02:13:39,800 --> 02:13:43,079
Flatbush Zombies, who I believe I've
kind of heard the name, and I

2122
02:13:43,159 --> 02:13:45,600
may have heard a couple of tracks, but not super Again, this was

2123
02:13:45,600 --> 02:13:48,800
another one of the ones where like
when I sat in my little area on

2124
02:13:48,840 --> 02:13:52,960
the side, the very heavy bass
he had had the extra sound for me

2125
02:13:52,079 --> 02:13:56,560
of like the wire mesh on the
viewing area vibrating because it was so low.

2126
02:13:56,600 --> 02:14:01,359
That was good. He was a
very fun character, you can say

2127
02:14:01,479 --> 02:14:03,720
that for sure, Like I very
much enjoyed half of you ain't getting pussy

2128
02:14:03,760 --> 02:14:07,039
so you don't need your battery life
participate, bitch, put your phones in

2129
02:14:07,079 --> 02:14:11,960
the air, very very good,
and then later infamously repeated over the weekend

2130
02:14:11,239 --> 02:14:18,319
yes every time he was repeating something, yes, Now I've got some important

2131
02:14:18,319 --> 02:14:24,279
to say, yes. Yes.
But musically I think those two are kind

2132
02:14:24,279 --> 02:14:28,760
of repeats of some of the previous
day's hip hop off like going down fairly

2133
02:14:28,800 --> 02:14:31,840
well, but not in so major
a way where you can undeniably say like

2134
02:14:31,920 --> 02:14:35,319
the hip hop act were going off
as hard as the hardcore bands, etc.

2135
02:14:37,039 --> 02:14:39,279
I very quickly saw a bit of
ecstasy on the second stage before showing

2136
02:14:39,319 --> 02:14:41,760
the body, which didn't feel like
it was up too much. Going in

2137
02:14:41,800 --> 02:14:46,039
again, very touristy is thought it
was going to be more along the lines

2138
02:14:46,039 --> 02:14:48,279
of the kind of choir boy type
stuff that they booked on the second stage

2139
02:14:48,439 --> 02:14:52,359
last year. Instead it came across
more kind of very flimsy rock. I

2140
02:14:52,399 --> 02:14:58,319
would like to see them book again
a bit more of that dark wave type

2141
02:14:58,760 --> 02:15:03,399
choir boy thing, because it almost
it would counteracts all just kind of the

2142
02:15:03,439 --> 02:15:07,600
genre diverse bookings being all hip hop
and stuff like that. And they did

2143
02:15:07,600 --> 02:15:11,840
it last year, so and they
had them the adverts on the screens for

2144
02:15:11,880 --> 02:15:13,199
some of the record labels and so
on that have signed like a lot of

2145
02:15:13,199 --> 02:15:16,239
the bands were there. It was
coming up with like Drab Majesty and things

2146
02:15:16,279 --> 02:15:18,279
like that, and I would be
acquired boy if it were on there,

2147
02:15:18,359 --> 02:15:22,840
Yeah, exactly, And I would
be quite excited by them bringing in stuff

2148
02:15:22,880 --> 02:15:28,119
like that alongside the hip hop,
alongside the kind of dreamy alt rock stuff

2149
02:15:28,119 --> 02:15:31,800
like Turnover as well. That's another
part of the kind of outbreak arsenal I

2150
02:15:31,840 --> 02:15:35,119
think they help would be like a
great Yeah, he would be an amazing

2151
02:15:35,239 --> 02:15:37,560
outbreak And that was a thing that
they didn't really draw on this year that

2152
02:15:37,600 --> 02:15:41,359
they did last year, and I
would like to see that kind of weave

2153
02:15:41,399 --> 02:15:45,720
its way into the wider fabric of
what outbreak is again. Yeah, but

2154
02:15:45,760 --> 02:15:48,239
so that was almost a disappointment that
it wasn't that, but you know whatever.

2155
02:15:48,680 --> 02:15:52,840
We then pivoted back to punk with
showing me the body, and I

2156
02:15:52,920 --> 02:15:54,199
have to say again, when I
was writing my notes on my phone,

2157
02:15:54,960 --> 02:16:00,279
this was where I wrote my first
note about what came to define in the

2158
02:16:00,279 --> 02:16:03,920
Sunday, which was the right side
of the stage first of all. As

2159
02:16:03,920 --> 02:16:07,199
it went on, it kind of
became the whole area of the stage,

2160
02:16:07,199 --> 02:16:09,840
but particularly we went over to the
right side of the stage where we're watching,

2161
02:16:09,880 --> 02:16:13,560
showing the body near where the Porterloos
were, and went, oh,

2162
02:16:13,640 --> 02:16:18,600
my god, that's quite That's quite
a lot, isn't it. It's a

2163
02:16:18,680 --> 02:16:20,640
lot. It was, it was. It got bad on the Sunday.

2164
02:16:20,640 --> 02:16:24,680
It wasn't too much for a problem
the first two days, but then on

2165
02:16:24,680 --> 02:16:28,840
the Sunday, from about yeah,
it's about four o'clock onwards, the smell

2166
02:16:28,000 --> 02:16:33,920
hit and gave me again one of
my other quite well engaged Outbreak festival tweets,

2167
02:16:33,920 --> 02:16:37,360
which was the peach with the back
of your T shirts. Yeah,

2168
02:16:35,920 --> 02:16:41,120
I must have summoned it because I
took two piss related T shirts to Outbreak.

2169
02:16:41,280 --> 02:16:43,920
I owned more piss related T shirts
and any one man to have.

2170
02:16:43,159 --> 02:16:46,959
But on the Friday I was rapping
piss Grave and on the Sunday I was

2171
02:16:46,040 --> 02:16:52,040
rapping Triumvir Fowl and their album Urine
of Abomination, And boy was that the

2172
02:16:52,079 --> 02:16:56,520
smell of Sunday It was. Yeah, like I think it was mainly the

2173
02:16:56,319 --> 02:17:01,239
Poor Yours and yeah, because it
was is the Portloos. There were two

2174
02:17:01,280 --> 02:17:05,200
sets of Portlos. I was one
kind of in the kind of entrance area,

2175
02:17:05,319 --> 02:17:07,319
and then there was another one essentially
on the right side of where the

2176
02:17:07,360 --> 02:17:11,040
stage was, So again I don't
know exactly where they would put them,

2177
02:17:11,079 --> 02:17:13,440
but it feels like one of the
things that they must be aware of it

2178
02:17:13,479 --> 02:17:16,120
they must be thinking about for next
year, is can we put the portaloos

2179
02:17:16,120 --> 02:17:18,639
somewhere that aren't right next to the
stage, Because by halfway through Sunday and

2180
02:17:18,639 --> 02:17:22,639
then for the rest of Sunday particular, it was unavoidable that if you were

2181
02:17:22,680 --> 02:17:28,200
in the main stage area, it
was like overwhelming piss stench. I mean,

2182
02:17:28,280 --> 02:17:31,479
it's important that there's being the indoor
venue where there's no actual on site

2183
02:17:31,520 --> 02:17:35,079
toilets essentially that are accessible, so
they had something and it was just,

2184
02:17:35,760 --> 02:17:39,520
yeah, it was just not pleasant, like getto everyone. I was in

2185
02:17:39,559 --> 02:17:43,920
like tua because I was like,
Okay, the smell of sweat is overpowering

2186
02:17:43,040 --> 02:17:46,520
smell a piss right now that we're
calling that a win, the smell of

2187
02:17:46,600 --> 02:17:50,159
beer and sweat is stronger the smell
of piss victory. Yeah again, But

2188
02:17:50,200 --> 02:17:54,840
then the fucking every tweet on my
timeline that day and the following day was

2189
02:17:54,840 --> 02:17:58,799
about like, you know, more
like piss break festival. Oh yeah,

2190
02:17:58,840 --> 02:18:01,440
they didn't have if anyone, if
anyone wasn't, if anyone was into piss

2191
02:18:01,479 --> 02:18:07,000
play, and then they probably had
a great tie on the thurday. It

2192
02:18:07,079 --> 02:18:11,600
is the one real unfortunate like slight
dampener again, Did it ruin the festival

2193
02:18:11,600 --> 02:18:16,559
for me? No? Was it
unpleasant? Yeah? I always it always

2194
02:18:16,559 --> 02:18:20,200
became again part of like the people
will remember, Oh yeah Outbreak twenty twenty

2195
02:18:20,200 --> 02:18:22,239
three, hopefully if they fixed it
for next year. Was that the one

2196
02:18:22,280 --> 02:18:28,159
that really smelled of bits that for
half of the last day. I would

2197
02:18:28,200 --> 02:18:31,719
talk that up as you know,
could have been worse. Yeah, appropriately,

2198
02:18:31,799 --> 02:18:35,680
I thought show Me the Body were
a bit shit, So I so

2199
02:18:35,879 --> 02:18:37,760
this was the thing like I would
talk about. You know, all the

2200
02:18:37,799 --> 02:18:41,319
bands from last year came back and
were way better than it, made improvements

2201
02:18:41,760 --> 02:18:46,639
show Me the Body outside of not
nearly killing someone, I had not made

2202
02:18:46,680 --> 02:18:50,799
a single change to what they did
last year, And I was just kind

2203
02:18:50,799 --> 02:18:54,760
of like it was one I watched
and was like I quite enjoyed this at

2204
02:18:54,840 --> 02:18:58,639
last year outside of the person breaking
their neck, which being an unfortunate kind

2205
02:18:58,639 --> 02:19:01,840
of stop the middle, but when
they just kept going and blusting it for

2206
02:19:01,879 --> 02:19:05,760
like half an hour, just kind
of got a bit dull and numbing,

2207
02:19:05,799 --> 02:19:11,239
and I was kind of like,
just not really anything like that that wowed

2208
02:19:11,280 --> 02:19:15,200
me about it. Yeah, well
my minus perspective of someone who hadn't seen

2209
02:19:15,239 --> 02:19:18,879
them before, but also I don't
get them at all, and a lot

2210
02:19:18,920 --> 02:19:22,719
of people clearly did right, But
none of the records have particularly worked for

2211
02:19:22,799 --> 02:19:26,680
me. And I thought i'd see
it live because this weekend I saw a

2212
02:19:26,680 --> 02:19:30,319
band who on record don't necessarily wound
me, but put on really cool shows

2213
02:19:30,920 --> 02:19:33,200
and it felt, you know,
it was rounded like a punk band,

2214
02:19:33,239 --> 02:19:35,559
but in a way that just sounded
really off, and you've just got these

2215
02:19:35,600 --> 02:19:41,399
kind of big swabs of bass kind
of overpowering anything else. You got a

2216
02:19:41,440 --> 02:19:43,600
banjo out and you can't hear it
at all. It's just like a big

2217
02:19:43,639 --> 02:19:46,319
The banjo is literally just in set
in place of a guitar. Yeah,

2218
02:19:46,319 --> 02:19:50,079
but it was, you know,
it's very shouty, but not with any

2219
02:19:50,120 --> 02:19:52,920
hooks that I could really draw out, which these really monotonous, kind of

2220
02:19:52,920 --> 02:19:58,200
talky parts, and it just sounded
bad. And there's something quite clunky and

2221
02:19:58,319 --> 02:20:01,600
garish about how they put their songs
together to me, and how all the

2222
02:20:01,680 --> 02:20:05,959
elements fit together in a way that
doesn't sound organic. No musical elements are

2223
02:20:05,959 --> 02:20:11,840
really complimenting the others. Again,
there's no hooks or particularly stirring moments of

2224
02:20:11,879 --> 02:20:16,120
songs. It was just a big
clash of kind of unpleasant sounds. Yeah,

2225
02:20:16,159 --> 02:20:18,079
like I said, like, I
quite like showing the body, and

2226
02:20:18,280 --> 02:20:22,159
I was. This is when I
kind of walked a bit disappointful, because

2227
02:20:22,479 --> 02:20:24,280
I think because they had been again
where every banner saw last year had come

2228
02:20:24,319 --> 02:20:28,959
back significantly improved even again from the
one still to come, but show anybody

2229
02:20:30,000 --> 02:20:35,399
felt like there's actually not I feel
like I got your live show, that

2230
02:20:35,479 --> 02:20:37,680
all you had to offer from seeing
you last year, and there's not actually

2231
02:20:37,799 --> 02:20:41,479
much more I got. Yeah,
it got rowdy, particularly the last song,

2232
02:20:41,520 --> 02:20:43,600
but musically, I just don't think
it comes too much. I just

2233
02:20:43,600 --> 02:20:48,719
don't think it works as a as
a band. Little Ugly Maine was the

2234
02:20:48,760 --> 02:20:50,639
next hip hop act on the main
stage, which I thought worked quite well.

2235
02:20:52,200 --> 02:20:56,319
Here's another person who has some crossover
into heavy music. I've you know,

2236
02:20:56,319 --> 02:20:58,799
I've got friends who you know,
back in the day were really big

2237
02:20:58,799 --> 02:21:01,799
into Little Ugly May records and so
on. I thought sound wise, some

2238
02:21:01,840 --> 02:21:05,760
of what the other hip hop acts
suffered from of just kind of their their

2239
02:21:05,799 --> 02:21:09,559
beats, like overpowering their mic work
or vice versa. This was maybe the

2240
02:21:09,600 --> 02:21:13,799
best to hip hop acts sounded all
weekend in terms of like really heavy beats,

2241
02:21:13,000 --> 02:21:16,399
you know people you know, chanty
parts back and so on. But

2242
02:21:16,440 --> 02:21:20,959
he was also more of like an
MC than someone like play that Boy's a

2243
02:21:20,079 --> 02:21:24,319
who felt like he was kind of
just mainly screaming for mosh pits all of

2244
02:21:24,360 --> 02:21:28,559
the time. The log main has
this really kind of cold assurance to him

2245
02:21:28,680 --> 02:21:35,920
of like really prowling that stage.
Yeah. I enjoyed the sort of the

2246
02:21:35,920 --> 02:21:39,000
first two thirds of this set,
and then I did fun losing it a

2247
02:21:39,079 --> 02:21:41,520
little bit. But he did feel, you know again a real confident,

2248
02:21:43,239 --> 02:21:46,079
convicted presence, and this was the
first hip hop stytle I was like,

2249
02:21:46,120 --> 02:21:48,200
okay, no, this is why
I'm really starting to see a kind of

2250
02:21:48,280 --> 02:21:52,000
like death grips and sort of the
pure hip hop stuff. And again maybe

2251
02:21:52,000 --> 02:21:56,959
it's because he has his like crossover
into alternative music. He really was commanding

2252
02:21:56,040 --> 02:22:01,959
the crowd, inciting kind of the
pits and actually getting people fully engaged,

2253
02:22:01,000 --> 02:22:05,239
and it felt it did feel a
much more sort of self assured set.

2254
02:22:05,319 --> 02:22:09,440
Yeah, and you got these the
recognizable hook parts as well, that are

2255
02:22:09,520 --> 02:22:13,559
delivered with a real kind of smooth
ease that still conveys this kind of killer

2256
02:22:13,639 --> 02:22:16,000
lying beneath the surface, like you
know, no slack in my Mac and

2257
02:22:16,000 --> 02:22:18,319
that kind of stuff. Again,
if it was one of the acts,

2258
02:22:18,319 --> 02:22:20,639
well, like if Outbreak keep booking
hip Hop, I could see them booking

2259
02:22:20,639 --> 02:22:24,440
a little ugly Maine to do it
again and it becoming you know, it

2260
02:22:24,479 --> 02:22:30,159
really works there again we swing back
again to a more t and m faithful

2261
02:22:30,239 --> 02:22:33,959
kind of act because Loathe played next, and this was my actual first time

2262
02:22:33,000 --> 02:22:37,120
seeing Loath, which everyone else tells
me is mad because they've been everywhere,

2263
02:22:37,239 --> 02:22:39,760
but they've not played any of the
tours or events that I have, particularly

2264
02:22:39,879 --> 02:22:45,319
you live in Liverpool and you've not
seen Love. I've seen Loathe walking around,

2265
02:22:45,520 --> 02:22:52,639
but I have like not being at
any of the events that they've been

2266
02:22:52,680 --> 02:22:54,840
kind of drawn to. And the
thing with Loath is you hear all the

2267
02:22:54,879 --> 02:22:58,360
time, you hear more about their
tech issues and do the shows really and

2268
02:22:58,360 --> 02:23:01,559
people would take bets like what do
you think is going to go wrong with

2269
02:23:01,680 --> 02:23:05,440
Loath this time? So even though
I had been I hadn't been present at

2270
02:23:05,440 --> 02:23:09,280
any of these sort of disaster events. I was quite happy to go down

2271
02:23:09,319 --> 02:23:11,799
really well for them because actually thought
they were one of the best sounding bands

2272
02:23:11,799 --> 02:23:15,559
of the whole weekend. One of
my favorite times i've seen Loath again.

2273
02:23:15,639 --> 02:23:18,120
They were a band that last outbreak, because I've seen them a bunch recently.

2274
02:23:18,159 --> 02:23:22,360
I was and last yet they lean
on some of the more chill material

2275
02:23:22,879 --> 02:23:26,639
and I don't think that entirely worked
in favor of them, So I was

2276
02:23:28,799 --> 02:23:31,159
a little bit like, Okay,
we'll see ow they go this year's outbreak.

2277
02:23:31,360 --> 02:23:35,200
This year they went all in on, like let's just go fully in

2278
02:23:35,280 --> 02:23:37,479
on the hardest ship we've got.
And it was It was because we were

2279
02:23:37,520 --> 02:23:41,440
discussing, you know that gent guitar
turn that love do I mean, I

2280
02:23:41,479 --> 02:23:43,639
mean, they're one of the best
bands at it it, but hearing it

2281
02:23:43,760 --> 02:23:46,959
this weekend where they the only band
actually pulling the out made it sound quite

2282
02:23:46,959 --> 02:23:50,639
fresh. Yeah, it wasn't It
really was. It was like if I

2283
02:23:50,680 --> 02:23:54,799
had been hearing several days of that
gent metalcore guitar tone, but when it

2284
02:23:54,840 --> 02:23:56,600
was the only one of the weekend
and they were sound checking, I was

2285
02:23:56,600 --> 02:23:58,319
like, Oh, that's a bit
of a chunky, chunky sound, isn't

2286
02:23:58,319 --> 02:24:01,959
it. And again it's I don't
listen to the one record an awful lot,

2287
02:24:01,000 --> 02:24:03,360
you know, kind of modern metal
core plus deft tones, you know,

2288
02:24:03,440 --> 02:24:05,600
not something I'm going to spend huge
amounts of time with. But they

2289
02:24:05,600 --> 02:24:11,639
were really cool and the presence they
had really worked cadem again with this kind

2290
02:24:11,639 --> 02:24:15,200
of mix of like laid Back and
Suath with the more feral bits of their

2291
02:24:15,200 --> 02:24:18,120
songs with you who like folds screeching
in them, and then they have this

2292
02:24:18,200 --> 02:24:22,959
kind of melodic, kind of danceable
quality as well. Yeah, they used

2293
02:24:22,959 --> 02:24:28,079
some like the ambient electronic staff off
that second album. They did, like

2294
02:24:28,120 --> 02:24:31,520
it kind of interludes two a mirror
being the one kind of big sing along

2295
02:24:31,559 --> 02:24:35,559
moment which again that actually does sound
massive like it was a really well judged

2296
02:24:35,559 --> 02:24:39,399
set list of how can we make
the most of it? And again crowd

2297
02:24:39,440 --> 02:24:41,959
were really for me. It was
towards the end the sing along for it

2298
02:24:43,079 --> 02:24:45,760
is it really you? And that
lift at the end and that that sounded

2299
02:24:45,959 --> 02:24:48,360
huge like it was again it was
one of those moments along with your your

2300
02:24:48,440 --> 02:24:50,399
high visits and so on, where
it really was like a room filled with

2301
02:24:50,479 --> 02:24:54,440
so much melody of people all there
with it and no Barrier venue again,

2302
02:24:54,520 --> 02:24:58,159
people like running up and hugging cadem
at the end and stuff like that.

2303
02:24:58,440 --> 02:25:00,120
It was really good. I have
to imagine for them, it's one of

2304
02:25:00,159 --> 02:25:03,079
the better shows that they've played.
I would you say it's one of the

2305
02:25:03,079 --> 02:25:05,840
best times I've seen them. And
I was really happy about that because I

2306
02:25:05,840 --> 02:25:09,360
was kind of like, I like
again, last one from album, because

2307
02:25:09,399 --> 02:25:11,319
like I kind of just want a
new album now I'm going to see him

2308
02:25:11,319 --> 02:25:13,680
again. But I was like,
I was kind of a bit more like,

2309
02:25:13,719 --> 02:25:15,920
come on, I hope they impressed
more this timmer and I was like,

2310
02:25:16,000 --> 02:25:18,719
yeah, no, they really rose
to the occasion on this. Yeah,

2311
02:25:18,760 --> 02:25:20,639
that could almost be like a great
cap to the album cycle if they

2312
02:25:20,680 --> 02:25:26,600
do have something new in the pipeline
fairly soon. And then Trapped under Ice,

2313
02:25:26,680 --> 02:25:31,680
which was the last hardcore band of
the festival on the main stage at

2314
02:25:31,719 --> 02:25:35,280
least like kind of at seven o'clock. I think they were on like Outbreak

2315
02:25:35,440 --> 02:25:39,719
unheard of, Yeah, no again, Outbreak veterans. They've headlined the festival

2316
02:25:39,760 --> 02:25:46,239
before that they are kind of are
one of the most significant hardcore bands of

2317
02:25:46,360 --> 02:25:50,600
the sort of late Norty's early twenty
tens in what they have splintered off into

2318
02:25:50,719 --> 02:25:56,319
Becoming but for themselves they were a
bit more of like the cult choice in

2319
02:25:56,319 --> 02:26:01,120
a way now comparatively to the bands
that have come from them. But I

2320
02:26:01,120 --> 02:26:03,559
love Trapped under Ice. They or
one of the first hardcore bands. Again.

2321
02:26:03,600 --> 02:26:07,319
I really got into when Big Kiska
Night came out, so I've only

2322
02:26:07,319 --> 02:26:11,879
seen them once before at that time. They opened with pleased to Meet You,

2323
02:26:11,000 --> 02:26:15,840
and by the end of that first
chorus I busted my head open um

2324
02:26:16,479 --> 02:26:18,760
so I didn't realize at the end
of the song. And then when I

2325
02:26:18,799 --> 02:26:20,840
wiped the sweat of my forehead and
my hand was red and I was like,

2326
02:26:22,040 --> 02:26:26,440
ah shit. So I was like, well, do I risk going

2327
02:26:26,440 --> 02:26:30,399
forward for TUI again and that happening
or I was like, do you know

2328
02:26:30,399 --> 02:26:31,719
what, I've stayed to have launch
weekend and I've not done it. I'm

2329
02:26:31,760 --> 02:26:35,639
gonna do it for TUI so I
can get that to UI set of actual

2330
02:26:35,760 --> 02:26:39,719
the whole set going hard for it, and yeah, I was so really

2331
02:26:39,760 --> 02:26:41,799
excited for this, just as there
from and he's like one of the most

2332
02:26:41,879 --> 02:26:48,399
ridiculous kind of hardcore character. He
is a ridiculous looking man like he's Hill

2333
02:26:48,520 --> 02:26:54,000
and Jack Pie's but there's like really
like fancy sunglasses. He changed headgear so

2334
02:26:54,040 --> 02:26:58,399
many times during this set. I
swear he wore about three different sets of

2335
02:26:58,440 --> 02:27:03,280
sunglasses, is like several different hats. I don't know where he was getting

2336
02:27:03,280 --> 02:27:05,600
them from. I don't know whether
people were handing him from them crowd,

2337
02:27:05,639 --> 02:27:09,520
whether he had a supply. It
was mental how many fucking I was accepting,

2338
02:27:09,639 --> 02:27:11,840
like expecting to turn up like cyclops
at one point. I just have

2339
02:27:11,920 --> 02:27:18,559
some like goggles yeah, like from
the guying now Friend's angel Dush, you

2340
02:27:18,559 --> 02:27:22,639
know, which is kind of like
the jangly acoustic hardcore punk sort of stuff.

2341
02:27:22,920 --> 02:27:26,760
Getting him back in these full on
like hardcore swagger stomp around the stage

2342
02:27:26,799 --> 02:27:28,440
conduct The cause of TUI was like, Yeah, this is is what you

2343
02:27:28,479 --> 02:27:31,799
should be doing this. This was
like in terms of from the sort of

2344
02:27:31,799 --> 02:27:35,239
the mid area of where I was. Katar was a little quite at point,

2345
02:27:35,280 --> 02:27:39,159
so you couldn't fully make out like
the riffs of which songs were what,

2346
02:27:39,319 --> 02:27:43,799
But it was just all about the
kind of stage invasion energy of it.

2347
02:27:43,840 --> 02:27:46,239
Because when you imagining along, when
you imagine a hardcore festival and you

2348
02:27:46,280 --> 02:27:50,639
imagine like a million guest vocalists just
running out from each side, grabbing the

2349
02:27:50,680 --> 02:27:54,319
mic for one part of a song
and then bouncing. Tui was the closest

2350
02:27:54,319 --> 02:27:58,079
thing at this year's Outbreak too,
that like mental image of a hardcore show

2351
02:27:58,159 --> 02:28:01,600
and I think that in pain of
truth with the two. Yeah, but

2352
02:28:01,719 --> 02:28:05,280
it's I think it's always going to
be. They are that band for people,

2353
02:28:05,399 --> 02:28:07,520
right because again they have that that
sort of cult spot or they are

2354
02:28:07,520 --> 02:28:11,639
being an important bath for a lot
of people, and people are again like

2355
02:28:11,680 --> 02:28:15,319
the High Vis guy ran out and
did other people I didn't recognize, but

2356
02:28:15,319 --> 02:28:16,760
again a High is a kind of
not a band you would necessarily associate with

2357
02:28:16,760 --> 02:28:20,120
Tui, but the guy fucking knew
those words and came out for that,

2358
02:28:20,159 --> 02:28:24,920
and yeah, it was just a
very rowdy, classic heart it was.

2359
02:28:24,959 --> 02:28:30,600
It was a great final image for
hardcore at Outbreak twenty twenty three, like

2360
02:28:30,799 --> 02:28:35,879
if that's the end of at least
that day of hardcore, the final image

2361
02:28:35,879 --> 02:28:39,000
of that in your mind being you
know Tui every day I'm alive, etc.

2362
02:28:39,600 --> 02:28:43,239
Yeah, Tui till I die,
like say opening were Born to Die,

2363
02:28:43,719 --> 02:28:46,200
dropping True Love, Please to Meet
You, like the hits off of

2364
02:28:46,239 --> 02:28:48,799
the album. The hits VP a
little bit off the last album, but

2365
02:28:48,840 --> 02:28:50,680
it was just a real feel good
hardcore set and I had I had a

2366
02:28:50,680 --> 02:28:54,959
great time with it. Yeah,
Turnover when X which was again another one

2367
02:28:54,959 --> 02:28:58,239
that the smell really added to when
you're enjoying some dream poppy thing with the

2368
02:28:58,239 --> 02:29:05,000
the correct atmosphere or just overwhelming stale
piss. But Turnover, particularly at a

2369
02:29:05,000 --> 02:29:07,959
place like Outbreak, which has its
roots in punk as opposed to I don't

2370
02:29:07,959 --> 02:29:11,600
know if they ever go off and
play like Coachella or whatever, or like

2371
02:29:11,639 --> 02:29:16,719
some Pitchfork festival or something. They're
kind of filling in again that nowadays they

2372
02:29:16,760 --> 02:29:20,680
sound more like Tame in Parlor,
but they're sort of in the same slot

2373
02:29:20,680 --> 02:29:22,520
here with someone like Basement last year
when they were doing coloring in kindness.

2374
02:29:22,600 --> 02:29:26,399
So Turnover they open with a couple
of those kind of newer keyboard jams and

2375
02:29:26,440 --> 02:29:30,479
people are kind of, you know, just politely vibing, and then third

2376
02:29:30,520 --> 02:29:33,959
song in they hit cutting my fingers
off into humming from peripheral vision, and

2377
02:29:35,000 --> 02:29:37,879
the cheer that went up as soon
as like not even the sing or anything,

2378
02:29:37,879 --> 02:29:41,120
which just the lightest guitar strokes at
the start of cutting my fingers off.

2379
02:29:41,239 --> 02:29:43,760
People's like, yes, this is
what we want to it was very

2380
02:29:43,840 --> 02:29:48,760
much and again like it's because Peripheral
Vision is like every Mosher is sad album,

2381
02:29:50,079 --> 02:29:52,760
every hard like that. There's not
by a canceled band will say um,

2382
02:29:54,319 --> 02:29:56,280
but like there's one of those again, like those albums at all the

2383
02:29:56,319 --> 02:30:00,319
hardcore kids would reach to when they're
feeling a little bit sad, want to

2384
02:30:00,319 --> 02:30:01,840
cry, and but not to like
a laddispute or too shame where they want

2385
02:30:01,840 --> 02:30:07,639
to really slow and sad. Privivisition
is kind of the album. So you

2386
02:30:07,639 --> 02:30:09,959
could feel the difference in response to
the older new stuff. I actually really

2387
02:30:11,000 --> 02:30:13,360
liked a lot, I think myself
in the way that that really were love

2388
02:30:13,399 --> 02:30:16,079
when you get those like slinky keyboards. Yeah, a fine song again that

2389
02:30:16,440 --> 02:30:20,399
a they had this very laid back, dreamy air to them with these like

2390
02:30:20,520 --> 02:30:24,200
kaleidoscopic projections behind them as well.
I think along we've quite a good use

2391
02:30:24,239 --> 02:30:26,000
of the screen. Yeah, along
with Code Orange, they were the band

2392
02:30:26,040 --> 02:30:30,920
who did make use of the video
screen, not including just Bruce Willis sitting

2393
02:30:30,920 --> 02:30:35,719
behind Sosunami, but again combined with
you had that dreamy again kalidoscopic thing,

2394
02:30:37,120 --> 02:30:41,079
combined with the outbreak factor or people
stage diving for take my Head at the

2395
02:30:41,159 --> 02:30:43,440
end of it. It was like
a very strange and unique experience I had

2396
02:30:43,520 --> 02:30:46,200
for them as well. Obviously very
good they had the tiered stage or a

2397
02:30:46,280 --> 02:30:50,680
keyboard or be getting knocked the fuck
over, but absolutely yeah, the newer

2398
02:30:50,760 --> 02:30:56,040
vibe stuff, it was nice.
But the people knowing the words factor too,

2399
02:30:56,559 --> 02:31:00,440
Like it was noticeable, but like
for you know, the big part

2400
02:31:00,479 --> 02:31:03,239
in cutting my fingers off and stuff
like that, when people went so loud,

2401
02:31:03,520 --> 02:31:05,159
that was when it really shone.
And that was it for the rock

2402
02:31:05,200 --> 02:31:11,280
stuff. Because the last I did
catch one more gay, I went over

2403
02:31:11,319 --> 02:31:15,559
to the second stage to catch an
no La gay, who I only went

2404
02:31:15,600 --> 02:31:18,440
to see because a friend of mine
saw them racist that they're really exciting,

2405
02:31:18,479 --> 02:31:22,159
so I was I would have liked. I went to go again, set

2406
02:31:22,159 --> 02:31:24,639
on my little VIP platform before the
last couple of acts and either just have

2407
02:31:24,719 --> 02:31:28,639
a sit, just have a sit. Basically, oh, it wasn't gay

2408
02:31:28,799 --> 02:31:35,879
after the purposes of narrative. It's
here that they were before I switch it.

2409
02:31:35,920 --> 02:31:41,079
But yeah, I know the gay
Irish kind of like noisy punk band

2410
02:31:41,120 --> 02:31:45,840
with a little bit of hip hop
kind of influence. M Larry as fuck.

2411
02:31:46,040 --> 02:31:50,000
They were so like so much attitude, like like when he's somewhere from

2412
02:31:50,000 --> 02:31:52,639
Belfast and then called the crowd cunts
like like that was the kind of thing

2413
02:31:52,840 --> 02:31:56,159
like they're not they're they're they're not
being playing nice. But they were really

2414
02:31:56,200 --> 02:32:01,600
impressive, like probably closest to show
me the body in terms of pure sound,

2415
02:32:03,319 --> 02:32:07,040
but there was just a high level
of energy I think from the band

2416
02:32:07,159 --> 02:32:11,280
and the performance and unless those kind
of really droning cleans or parts, and

2417
02:32:11,319 --> 02:32:16,360
it was just kind of more like
pulsating bass riffs. The drummer can always

2418
02:32:16,399 --> 02:32:20,440
going at it quite a bolittle Chinge
really enjoyed them. Yep. Last two

2419
02:32:20,440 --> 02:32:24,600
acts on the Sunday on the main
stage, both fully immersed in the world

2420
02:32:24,600 --> 02:32:26,239
of hip hop, which made a
really interesting experience of a festival, the

2421
02:32:26,319 --> 02:32:31,360
kind of segue you know, into
something like that out of you know,

2422
02:32:31,399 --> 02:32:35,200
you started the day watching speed and
stuff like that. So judging from like

2423
02:32:35,239 --> 02:32:39,879
a TNM perspective, how well this
stuff worked at Outbreak, but also from

2424
02:32:41,040 --> 02:32:45,040
just a non genre allegiance perspective,
just how good things were. El Sweatshirt

2425
02:32:45,959 --> 02:32:48,760
was the first of these two who
was one of the bigger hip hop names

2426
02:32:48,760 --> 02:32:50,440
on the bill for sure. I
mean, his crowd would like, you

2427
02:32:50,479 --> 02:32:52,840
know, went back to, you
know, the back of the venue.

2428
02:32:52,879 --> 02:32:56,200
So I mean, for a man
who doesn't like shit and doesn't go outside,

2429
02:32:56,360 --> 02:32:58,239
there are a lot of people there
to see him, which again you

2430
02:32:58,319 --> 02:33:03,120
might think about that ticket factor,
people drawn in by maybe the top two

2431
02:33:03,479 --> 02:33:05,280
bigger hip Yeah. I think I
wondered if that was like the day tickets.

2432
02:33:05,280 --> 02:33:07,840
They all just turned up at the
end of the day, basically yeah,

2433
02:33:07,840 --> 02:33:09,879
to something they might not have otherwise
gone to. I don't know,

2434
02:33:09,920 --> 02:33:15,600
but El Sweatshirt was where my sort
of theory that I had been bubbling in

2435
02:33:15,639 --> 02:33:18,760
my head over the last two days
really crystallized because El Sweatshirt, similarly to

2436
02:33:18,799 --> 02:33:22,879
people like Arm and Hammer on the
previous day, had a lot of like

2437
02:33:22,120 --> 02:33:28,159
quite slow, sparse beats with a
really low key vibe. It's not the

2438
02:33:28,200 --> 02:33:33,319
agro everybody fucking moves side of hip
hop. It didn't have the visual or

2439
02:33:33,399 --> 02:33:39,280
atmospheric intensity of you know, something
like death Grips, where it's being suffocated

2440
02:33:39,280 --> 02:33:41,319
in the smolder of hell. The
thing with hip hop like that, particularly

2441
02:33:41,319 --> 02:33:46,520
at festivals, stuff that's very very
lyrical, based on kind of more stripped

2442
02:33:46,559 --> 02:33:50,239
back instrumentals. If you can't decipher
the words through the echo of the sound

2443
02:33:50,280 --> 02:33:58,079
system and the big hole that's in
it becomes essentially useless because it loses the

2444
02:33:58,120 --> 02:34:01,000
central drawer and focus of that kind
of muse it for people. And like

2445
02:34:01,000 --> 02:34:03,040
El Sweatshirt, I'm sure is a
very very accomplished rapper, and he's a

2446
02:34:03,120 --> 02:34:09,440
very thoughtful, intelligent lyricist, but
when you are really straining to hear make

2447
02:34:09,479 --> 02:34:16,799
out what he's talking about, I
tuned out of those type acts outbreak so

2448
02:34:16,959 --> 02:34:22,520
quick because he's just slowly sauntering around
the stage doing his thing with a stream

2449
02:34:22,559 --> 02:34:28,360
of similar sounding stuff. It was
a pretty boring show. I kind of

2450
02:34:28,399 --> 02:34:31,159
agree. I found myself getting kind
of caught up in the vibes a bit

2451
02:34:31,200 --> 02:34:35,040
more and enjoying it. I thought
it was pretty cool, But I do

2452
02:34:35,079 --> 02:34:37,520
see what you mean about again,
the purpose and the meaning of the songs

2453
02:34:37,639 --> 02:34:43,600
not being so hyped up and then
losing because of sound issues or whatever.

2454
02:34:43,920 --> 02:34:48,200
Losing the real kind of cutting point
of it did dull the impact. I

2455
02:34:48,239 --> 02:34:50,319
don't think I thought it was still
of what It was a cool set,

2456
02:34:50,319 --> 02:34:52,719
and it's when I was like,
God, i've seen El sweatshert wouldn't have

2457
02:34:52,719 --> 02:34:54,879
gone to see him otherwise. Enjoyed
what I saw but I do, I

2458
02:34:54,920 --> 02:34:58,440
do agree with you on that side
of hip hop being way less. Yeah,

2459
02:34:58,479 --> 02:35:01,319
it's just when I was judging the
stuff it really works and the stuff

2460
02:35:01,319 --> 02:35:03,319
that didn't. Again, every now
and then you click into a song that

2461
02:35:03,360 --> 02:35:05,799
was clearly a big one that people
knew and people get excited and everything,

2462
02:35:05,840 --> 02:35:13,399
But like it was that the stuff
that was like the more intimate hip hop.

2463
02:35:13,760 --> 02:35:18,639
The appeal of again at El Sweatshirts
music is primarily his lyricism and his

2464
02:35:18,639 --> 02:35:22,760
personality to come through there and so
on, and not really a particularly you

2465
02:35:22,799 --> 02:35:28,360
know, impactful live energy, shall
we say, And at least on the

2466
02:35:28,360 --> 02:35:33,200
main stage of Outbreak, the stuff
like that got a bit lost, And

2467
02:35:33,239 --> 02:35:37,639
I think the proof in the pudding
there was how dramatic the switch was when

2468
02:35:37,760 --> 02:35:43,159
that went into Denzel Curry, because
that's more of the thing that's needed for

2469
02:35:43,200 --> 02:35:46,040
a festival of this than these kind
of lyrical rappers. The stuff that had

2470
02:35:46,079 --> 02:35:50,920
no hooks right just didn't really connect. Instead, this was like constant hooks

2471
02:35:52,239 --> 02:35:56,680
and constant propulsion of sound needed to
really sell it and get people swept up

2472
02:35:56,680 --> 02:36:01,760
in it as well. Yeah,
No, I thought Denzil Carry was fucking

2473
02:36:01,799 --> 02:36:05,159
incredible just for that ex every reason
to said like it was. It was

2474
02:36:05,200 --> 02:36:07,120
the party to end outbreak on which
I was like, this is awesome,

2475
02:36:07,239 --> 02:36:11,000
Like he's he's got so much confidence, so much swagger, so much like

2476
02:36:11,559 --> 02:36:16,680
charisma that is just like oozing out
of him every second, and he's into

2477
02:36:16,680 --> 02:36:20,200
play with his DJ sort of I
come in the guy's name, but like

2478
02:36:20,600 --> 02:36:22,799
his DJ had on the back of
the stage of him, they were really

2479
02:36:22,799 --> 02:36:24,360
like bounced and something might have come
across as a bit, you know,

2480
02:36:24,959 --> 02:36:30,040
rear stage banter, but it was
snappy and fun and that translated into them

2481
02:36:30,079 --> 02:36:33,479
the songs, which we again just
blasting you with the biggest beats, hooks

2482
02:36:33,479 --> 02:36:37,639
all over the place, and it
was just like everyone bouncing constantly. I

2483
02:36:37,680 --> 02:36:39,879
was like, this is how you
yea, this is how you sell hip

2484
02:36:39,920 --> 02:36:41,239
hop to a hardcore crowd. Yeah. Again, we were at the space

2485
02:36:41,360 --> 02:36:46,399
at like the back of the Golden
wristband area, which was not as round

2486
02:36:46,479 --> 02:36:48,680
and mental as it was during Death
Grips. We actually had a lot of

2487
02:36:48,719 --> 02:36:50,760
space there to watch quite casually,
but the energy of the crowd in front

2488
02:36:50,760 --> 02:36:54,840
of us was pretty mega. It
was still a big crowd, it was

2489
02:36:54,879 --> 02:36:58,079
not not as big as Death Grips, certainly a small end. I hope

2490
02:36:58,079 --> 02:37:03,600
that the hip hop party were excited
by playing a no barrier venue like that.

2491
02:37:03,680 --> 02:37:05,760
Again, I don't know how often
they would have find themselves in a

2492
02:37:05,760 --> 02:37:09,440
situation like that, and some of
them seemed occasionally bewildered by someone cart wheeling

2493
02:37:09,479 --> 02:37:13,719
across the stage. Yeah. Again, with the day tickets, You're not

2494
02:37:13,879 --> 02:37:20,600
sure how much of it became like, you know, hardcore fans sort of

2495
02:37:20,639 --> 02:37:26,079
casually watching these acts versus the rap
fans who come in who have maybe not

2496
02:37:26,079 --> 02:37:28,000
gone to an outbreak before. There
was there was a guy who went up

2497
02:37:28,000 --> 02:37:31,799
on stage and Denzel Curryan's took like
an on stage selfie with him, which

2498
02:37:31,840 --> 02:37:35,360
is not very hardcore fan behavior,
right, you know, yeah, do

2499
02:37:35,520 --> 02:37:41,000
that there and you get Parker Cannon
right. And then there was a very

2500
02:37:41,040 --> 02:37:43,319
awkward moment as well where there was
a big stage invasion but they weren't getting

2501
02:37:43,319 --> 02:37:46,719
off the stage afterwards, and the
security and Denzel Curry had to be like,

2502
02:37:48,360 --> 02:37:50,479
wet, we're not gonna be able
to continue the set until you get

2503
02:37:50,479 --> 02:37:52,239
off the stage. And there's the
idea of you know, I don't Again,

2504
02:37:52,280 --> 02:37:56,479
I don't know our hip hop fans
used to the kind of etiquette of

2505
02:37:56,559 --> 02:38:01,120
like get up and get off that
we saw with the hardcore I don't really

2506
02:38:01,120 --> 02:38:03,760
know. I mean there was a
lot of like because I know it's more

2507
02:38:03,760 --> 02:38:05,040
than any of you. There was
a lot of people getting on stage doing

2508
02:38:05,040 --> 02:38:07,479
them run across but not actually stage
diving this year, and I think that

2509
02:38:07,600 --> 02:38:11,559
was kind of again just people who
don't normally come to these shows wanting to

2510
02:38:11,600 --> 02:38:16,399
be involved in the moment I was
getting having fun and then not kind of

2511
02:38:16,399 --> 02:38:18,959
having it in them to actually fling
themselves onto the crowd of people for fear

2512
02:38:20,000 --> 02:38:22,680
of not getting caught. So it
definitely, yeah, again I don't mind

2513
02:38:22,719 --> 02:38:24,399
that so much. For me,
it was more again it was it was

2514
02:38:24,440 --> 02:38:26,159
during this thing when people got up
but didn't actually get off and just sort

2515
02:38:26,159 --> 02:38:28,959
of hung around. Yeah, but
there was more just part of that.

2516
02:38:28,959 --> 02:38:33,920
There was a clear amount of people
who clearly wanted to take part and get

2517
02:38:33,920 --> 02:38:39,239
involved in the hardcore side of things
without really knowing and understanding all the bits

2518
02:38:39,239 --> 02:38:41,079
to go into it. And that
was most evident then when yeah, that

2519
02:38:41,200 --> 02:38:43,920
stage of agent happened and they everyone
kind of just hung around thinking like,

2520
02:38:43,959 --> 02:38:46,719
yeah, let's stay up here,
and there was yeah, so you've had

2521
02:38:46,760 --> 02:38:50,200
your moment, even though the set
was great, that was maybe one of

2522
02:38:50,200 --> 02:38:52,000
the most awkward moments the weekend where
I was like, oh, I hope

2523
02:38:52,040 --> 02:38:54,319
people actually just you know, get
off that fucking stage. But all of

2524
02:38:54,319 --> 02:38:58,159
these parts in these songs that get
people like really amped up and repeating them

2525
02:38:58,159 --> 02:39:00,479
back to him, you know,
like I Ain't No Way and balloons and

2526
02:39:00,479 --> 02:39:03,000
all these kind of songs. He
brought out a little Ugly Maine again for

2527
02:39:03,000 --> 02:39:05,280
a song that they did together,
and people were like banging into that,

2528
02:39:05,959 --> 02:39:11,079
and I think again it just comes
down to Denzel Curry shows are hype an

2529
02:39:11,079 --> 02:39:16,079
earl sweatshirt shows aren't really at least
by this evidence. So it's just in

2530
02:39:16,120 --> 02:39:18,559
the same way like when you're booking
metal stuff at Outbreak, it's like crossover

2531
02:39:18,600 --> 02:39:22,600
thrash and like certain types of metal
core and not you know, sleep or

2532
02:39:22,639 --> 02:39:26,760
like Paul Bearer or something like.
It's just not the right atmosphere for it.

2533
02:39:26,600 --> 02:39:30,440
No absolutely, I mean, like
us think about like a wall of

2534
02:39:30,440 --> 02:39:33,280
death that Denzel covid going, which
did literally go from the front of the

2535
02:39:33,280 --> 02:39:35,360
stage through the very back of that
the barrier at the back of the front

2536
02:39:35,360 --> 02:39:41,239
section where we were kind of like
fair play that's you know, he is

2537
02:39:41,319 --> 02:39:45,559
Clason who again Denzel Curring nose metal, he's done rage against machine coverage.

2538
02:39:45,559 --> 02:39:48,600
No, this is not a dude
who is not a stranger to the heavier

2539
02:39:48,639 --> 02:39:52,479
side of things. So I've always
quinationed that he said to not lean on

2540
02:39:52,479 --> 02:39:56,319
that in his cellist and was still
kind of like playing sort of typical set

2541
02:39:56,440 --> 02:40:01,159
but just encouraging the crowd to get
really I grow with it. Whichever was

2542
02:40:01,280 --> 02:40:03,120
Yeah, again, I think it's
against that, that kind of indecipherability that

2543
02:40:03,200 --> 02:40:07,319
played the bands who really rely on
the acts who really rely on that less

2544
02:40:07,319 --> 02:40:11,040
important when just the songs are hitting
so hard as they did and the rhythms

2545
02:40:11,040 --> 02:40:15,840
are hitting so hard. I do
feel slightly vindicated that people for ages have

2546
02:40:15,920 --> 02:40:18,159
been going Denzel Curry run the duels
as like the most obvious hip hop acts

2547
02:40:18,159 --> 02:40:22,000
to book at rock festivals, and
it was Death Grips, the most underground

2548
02:40:22,000 --> 02:40:26,639
extreme act that may always the hardest, like I've always said, definitely stob

2549
02:40:26,680 --> 02:40:30,639
but they're because they're the most underground, and I think there's some people who

2550
02:40:30,719 --> 02:40:35,440
kind of like I've always wondered why
rock magazines don't cover Death Grips more,

2551
02:40:35,479 --> 02:40:39,920
and I think it's the it's kind
of like the the kind of agit of

2552
02:40:39,959 --> 02:40:41,799
like kind of viewing deficuls is a
bit of a hipster thing because of like

2553
02:40:41,879 --> 02:40:45,959
how much they appeal to like a
Pitchfork. Yeah, but again, like

2554
02:40:45,959 --> 02:40:48,680
we like we've done an album club
on Death Grips and again, as much

2555
02:40:48,680 --> 02:40:50,559
as I enjoyed Denzel Curry and you
know he was great Outbreak and someone i'd

2556
02:40:50,600 --> 02:40:54,040
love to see him back, we
probably won't be doing that we're reviewing those

2557
02:40:54,079 --> 02:40:58,319
albums, but like, um,
but I do think again, Death Grips

2558
02:40:58,319 --> 02:41:01,399
are so like one of a kind, whereas Denzel Curry was more like I

2559
02:41:01,399 --> 02:41:07,600
guess the actual proof that like mainline
hip hop, if the characteristics are right,

2560
02:41:07,239 --> 02:41:13,440
can definitely work at somewhere like Outbreak. I mean I did like again

2561
02:41:13,680 --> 02:41:16,360
not saying that, but I enjoyed
the Denzel Curry set more just so I

2562
02:41:16,440 --> 02:41:18,360
was like, this is just the
best vibes to end on. It was

2563
02:41:18,399 --> 02:41:22,520
so much fun, whereas Death Grips
was just like getting smacked over the head.

2564
02:41:24,319 --> 02:41:26,399
I think again, a lot of
people were excited to get the chance

2565
02:41:26,440 --> 02:41:31,399
to see acts like Denzel Curry and
so and at a place like Outbreak when

2566
02:41:31,399 --> 02:41:33,239
they might not otherwise had the opportunity
to in a venue like that as well.

2567
02:41:33,239 --> 02:41:35,159
And again, I hope the hip
hop guys were like, whoa,

2568
02:41:35,200 --> 02:41:37,760
that was a pretty crazy show.
We had people doing cart wheels across the

2569
02:41:37,760 --> 02:41:41,760
stage for us. Yeah, Like, I hope so too. And I

2570
02:41:41,799 --> 02:41:46,799
think it'd be cool with Outbreaking continue
this kind of like cross crossing the sort

2571
02:41:46,799 --> 02:41:50,440
of cultures and scenes, but even
like boarding out more just to kind of

2572
02:41:50,479 --> 02:41:54,319
like be the cool underground festival essentially
that just happens to take place in the

2573
02:41:54,360 --> 02:41:58,680
ten thousand capacity bunker. Yeah,
and we were thinking about the future of

2574
02:41:58,760 --> 02:42:03,000
the as well, because in terms
of moving up to this massive venue they're

2575
02:42:03,040 --> 02:42:09,360
in, they can't go back to
just booking hardcore bands and fill that space.

2576
02:42:09,440 --> 02:42:11,399
You know. It's like if they
if they're going to hold onto the

2577
02:42:11,399 --> 02:42:16,040
place of that size, like they
capped out what hardcore Outbreak could be last

2578
02:42:16,079 --> 02:42:20,520
time. If they're going to keep
going for this, they need that kind

2579
02:42:20,559 --> 02:42:24,520
of demographic crossover that they have.
So I would expect next year more hip

2580
02:42:24,559 --> 02:42:28,159
hop acts or at least as many
as this year. Again, I would

2581
02:42:28,200 --> 02:42:33,040
like to see them bring in some
of that kind of you know, goth

2582
02:42:33,120 --> 02:42:37,040
or alternative thing as well. As
long as there is I guess a majority

2583
02:42:37,159 --> 02:42:41,680
hardcore feel with this other stuff,
like you know, sprinkled in, I

2584
02:42:41,680 --> 02:42:43,959
think it can work really well.
And as long as they can keep filling

2585
02:42:43,000 --> 02:42:48,520
that space with that thing, I
think it can be really exciting. Yeah.

2586
02:42:48,520 --> 02:42:52,200
I mean, I think it showed
that hardcore is still where the lifeblood

2587
02:42:52,239 --> 02:42:54,799
of Outbreak is, where you just
look at the attendance as a whole,

2588
02:42:54,399 --> 02:42:58,280
but there is a definite place for
stepping into other genres and it like,

2589
02:43:00,120 --> 02:43:05,399
I'm totally down for a diverse just
like I say, cool underground, Like

2590
02:43:05,079 --> 02:43:07,280
again, like there was a scary
of me a lot is so ingraining,

2591
02:43:07,360 --> 02:43:09,719
skate could and things like that.
Just appearing to that crowd and just offering

2592
02:43:11,079 --> 02:43:13,000
some of the other festivals can't offer. I think he's where Outbreak can really

2593
02:43:13,319 --> 02:43:18,399
Yeah. And again, so much
of the conversation around hip hop at rock

2594
02:43:18,440 --> 02:43:20,879
festival, so when people always talk
about download, and I ever think I

2595
02:43:20,920 --> 02:43:24,440
think people care about download way too
much. I think people will send like

2596
02:43:24,559 --> 02:43:28,280
position download as like the center of
the universe way too much. And I

2597
02:43:28,280 --> 02:43:31,239
think this is proof that like again, download You've got so many just sort

2598
02:43:31,239 --> 02:43:35,040
of very traditional rock fans who are
going to be there. Who If you

2599
02:43:35,120 --> 02:43:37,920
put run the Jewels on or something, maybe it will work, but there's

2600
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going to be a level of resistance
to it. I think somewhere like Outbreak

2601
02:43:41,840 --> 02:43:46,440
is just proof that if you go
into find the right events that have the

2602
02:43:46,520 --> 02:43:50,959
right kind of audience and have the
right open minded atmosphere, that maybe a

2603
02:43:52,000 --> 02:43:56,280
massive weekend field festival for traditional rock
fans or whatever isn't going to have like

2604
02:43:58,399 --> 02:44:00,440
not everything needs to be about download
as what I'm say, like, go

2605
02:44:00,479 --> 02:44:03,319
to go to somewhere like Outbreak and
you will see this really cool stuff going

2606
02:44:03,399 --> 02:44:07,879
on. You said that last year's
Outbreak was like maybe your favorite festival weekend.

2607
02:44:07,920 --> 02:44:11,280
Ever, how did this one stuck
up? I think as a whole,

2608
02:44:11,360 --> 02:44:16,840
I still we've heard last year,
but that like I said that,

2609
02:44:16,840 --> 02:44:20,799
that right, that closing one on
the Saturday is gonna be one MS Like

2610
02:44:20,959 --> 02:44:24,559
man, that was that was something
else. Yeah, And again for me,

2611
02:44:26,159 --> 02:44:30,280
if they keep booking lineups that are
as exciting as this year's, I

2612
02:44:30,280 --> 02:44:33,760
can see myself not having a five
year hiatus from it this time. And

2613
02:44:33,239 --> 02:44:35,959
you know, maybe I'll be back
here next year. I don't know,

2614
02:44:35,000 --> 02:44:39,280
but like certainly I don't think this
will be my last Outbreak because it is.

2615
02:44:39,920 --> 02:44:43,639
It's a really really cool part of
the festival calendar either if you're not

2616
02:44:43,879 --> 02:44:48,079
a dedicated one die hard hardcore fan. Again, like there were a few

2617
02:44:48,360 --> 02:44:52,520
people from the T and M listenership
who came up trust across the weekend and

2618
02:44:52,520 --> 02:44:54,120
people were like, yeah, this
is my first Outbreak. I'd not necessarily

2619
02:44:54,120 --> 02:45:00,360
like, you know, I'm not
someone who is super following Speed and Urie

2620
02:45:00,360 --> 02:45:01,799
and all these type bands, but
like there was enough here to get me

2621
02:45:01,840 --> 02:45:05,280
in, And I hope that you
will really cool weekends and it will become

2622
02:45:05,360 --> 02:45:09,920
a again in the same way we
love the Champion Damnation and all these different

2623
02:45:09,959 --> 02:45:13,200
two thousand trees are tangent whatever.
Yeah, the different kind of events offer

2624
02:45:13,239 --> 02:45:16,559
different things. Outbreak is a fucking
cool festival. And there we go.

2625
02:45:16,680 --> 02:45:18,520
If you were at Outbreak, I
hope you had a great time and the

2626
02:45:18,559 --> 02:45:22,799
pisswaft didn't get you too down come
the end of Sunday, thank you for

2627
02:45:22,840 --> 02:45:24,520
listening and being here with us.
If you would, if you'd leave us

2628
02:45:24,520 --> 02:45:28,920
a positive rating and review on Apple
Podcasts or whatever platform you used to do

2629
02:45:28,959 --> 02:45:31,280
so you're able to do that on
that'd be a lovely help. If you

2630
02:45:31,360 --> 02:45:35,200
like what we do, it helps
us kind of get up those algorithms and

2631
02:45:35,239 --> 02:45:37,239
all that bollocks that we have to
contend with this evening. As this goes

2632
02:45:37,239 --> 02:45:41,120
out, I will be seeing Iron
Maiden to get some heavy metal back into

2633
02:45:41,120 --> 02:45:43,719
my system. So we will be
back next week talking about that, along

2634
02:45:43,719 --> 02:45:46,000
with whatever else happens. We had
been that's no metal, See you next time.