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This is the three Whiskey Happy Hour
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vile XXX rated porn pops up on
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the admonition from Scott Johnson never to
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but Steve already knew about it,
hadn't done anything. So there you

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go. Oh, well we've been
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of the Discus Commenting, which is
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posted them there. Allowed them to
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if we're gon have to sue them
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be continued, and so he just
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I'll so we still don't understand it. So they get the right to put

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ads on your website in exchange for
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so someone pays them money to run
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I couldn't even tell what they were
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have that than ever have to look
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me who doesn't look at this,
I'm now tantalized in want to read the

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website more often. Well, this
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website. Okay, to take it
up, because we as we know that

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now that you are a loser as
lawyers go. You spent all day on

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your feet defending John Eastman and look
what happened. Oh yeah, yeah,

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so I have to have an instead. Well, first of all, let's

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tell listeners what we're talking about,
because okay, oh yeah, so just

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yesterday, right, it was just
yesterday. The bar court, you as

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if you as if we need such
a thing. There is a full time

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court that hears bar complaints in California
against lawyers, and so I testified in

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these hearings that were held about whether
to disbarred John Eastman, and as far

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as I can tell, the judge
didn't listen to me. She she uh

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issued a preliminary ruling desparring John Eastman, I think primarily for spriating what she

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believed are factual untruths, less so
the legal arguments, although she criticizes legal

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arguments as well, But primarily she
focused on what she believed to be the

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facts of the twenty twenty elections and
claimed that John was trying to overturn the

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election results based on things he needed
to be factually untrue. So John gets

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the right to appeal to another bar
court, and then after that he can

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appeal to the California Supreme Court and
then ultimately even the US Supreme Court.

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And will he win? What appeal
this is? So, I think that

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he should win as a matter of
what true principle should be. But if

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you look at the politics of it, I think he's gonna lose all the

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way up through the California Supreme Court
because he's being made a scapegoat of I

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mean, I disagree with John about
the facts of the twenty twenty election,

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but I also think that lawyers have
the right to advance new, untested legal

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theories to go against the existing grain
of authorities and what everyone else thinks.

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I As I said the bar hearing, would they apply the standard they're applying

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to Thurgrid Marshall before Brown versus Board
of Education, when the arguments he was

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making and the positions he was taking
were directly you know, we're directly contravened

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by Supreme Court President by plus E
versus Ferguson. So being a lawyer means

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you're allowed to argue things which you
know, under the law of the time

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has almost no chance of winning,
or calls for things to be overturned,

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which have been in place for many, many decades, and I think they

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make matters worse. Although I think
the judge of this case reckiegnizes this.

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There are no precedents about what to
do in disputed elections or those Supreme Court

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cases. They're the closest you know. There's been the eighteen seventy six election,

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in the two thousand election, and
that's been about it. But there's

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no judicial opinions and laws to parts
that really talked about what do you do

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in a situation if you really believe
there'd been an electoral fraud. Look,

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I mean, I'm astounded that you
could disbar someone over contested facts. In

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other words, the judge pick the
side on what the facts are and I

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know the weight of opinion is against
John, but that doesn't disprove that some

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of his claims aren't disputable or aren't
plausible and deserve voltor treatment. But the

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total proceedings took ten weeks, and
I know there are interruptions for various things.

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But you know, I periodically would
pick up the bar news whatever and

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look at disbarments for amusement purposes,
because it's usually it's the kind of pathetic,

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right. What do people get disbarred
for misappropriating client funds? That's usually

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the biggest one. Fall on asleep
in court during a trial incompetence right,

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or or somebody for some reason has
a trust lawyer come in to defend them

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in a criminal case and they you
know, they totally botched the case,

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or I don't know. Malfeasance of
that kind is what usually gets you disbarred.

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Those proceedings, i'm guessing only take
a day or two to go through.

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And this is completely different when it
becomes as political as this, it

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seems to me that this is something
that not ought to be subject for a

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traditional disbarment proceeding. Just my one
person's opinion. No, well, it's

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all it's part of the grower,
you know, broader law law fair campaign

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that's being waged against Trump. I
mean, this is just, you know,

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this is a skirmish in this larger
battle, these four criminal proceedings going

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on against Trump, the civil case
or he lost what a third of a

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billion dollars for inflating his assets allegedly. So this is just you know,

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John on the unfortunately is getting swept
up in that. But the Left is

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going after everybody they can who was
involved in the in the January sixth,

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uh involved in January sixth, And
they're using every things that you never thought

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they would use. I mean,
I think Rudy Giuliani had to resign from

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the bar because he was going to
get this barred. There are other people

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who they're preceding proceedings are ongoing,
uh, you know, trying to take

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away people's livelihoods now because they they
I think John, especially in good faith,

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believes the facts as he presented them
in and yeah he's not. This

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is not like bad faith on his
part. And I've seen you know,

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criminal defense lawyers take positions in court
that I'm certain they knew to be untrue,

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right, Like they know their client's
guilty. So if you had the

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defense lawyer and you know your client's
guilty, you know where you have like

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a ninety percent, and you still
you're still going to attack the prosecution's witnesses

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and evidence, even though you're probably
pretty sure it's all true. Because you're

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doing this out, you're being zealous
on behalf of your client. And I

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don't see why those same understandings of
the lawyers will apply to Johneseman. It

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really is just because of law fair
and a real skewed situation in our legal

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system when it comes to Trump and
Trump derangement syndrome. I thought about actually

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writing an article about Fanny Willis.
Oh, excuse me, big fan,

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big Fannie Willis, Sorry, who
I mean? The arrogance of that stupid,

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fat, ugly, corrupt woman just
floors me. And I don't care

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if people complain about look asm,
she's fat and she's ugly, and she

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says, my only crime is I
had a relationship with a man. Never

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mind that he was a married man, never mind, et cetera, et

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cetera, et cetera. That's not
your only crime, you fat ugly.

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Can't use the word I want to
use, But the air, and you

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know, John Eastman gets disbarred,
and the stupid judge in the Georgia case,

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Oh yeah, to choose. It's
either you or Nathan who has to

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go, and Nathan goes and everything's
just fine. What the hell I mean,

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isn't the rest of the world laughing
at us, saying, God,

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we used to think Venezuela is bad, but Jesus, look at the United

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States. I don't know, well, I mean, I think Fanny Willis

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is still in a lot of trouble. I think she might get this barred

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too. She might well have committed
perjury. And I think she's under investigation

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by both the Georgia legislature and the
House. I think they're just racistly.

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No, let's see how it plays
out. I think that's right. I

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think I think it was very Yeah. Well, yeah, I'll just stop

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there. I mean it was,
yeah, we can stop there. The

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only way it's going to stop is
if the Red states do the same thing

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as the Blue states are doing.
Well. But here's the problem, John,

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The red people, the people on
the red side are made up with

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people like you. And that's a
compliment. Oh no, no, there

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are people much meaner than John they're
not. They're not. They're they're people

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who genuinely believe in the rule of
law. They genuinely believe. I mean,

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that's your problem, John, that
you're so you're such a good guy

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that you actually can't believe that,
you know, career prosecutors and DJ employees,

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you colleagues of years you worked with
are just corrupt pieces of you know

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what, because you can't imagine being
that way yourself. But there's too many

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Republicans and too many Conservatives who are
just like you, who don't want to

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play unfairly even though the other side
is. And that's not I mean,

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that's doesn't the natural law tell us
not to do that? Right? I

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suppose you could say that the Catholic
natural law would tell you not to do

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that. I mean, I'm going
to be serious for a moment, the

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idea that your mortal soul is more
important than immediate political gain, and you're

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not going to be some corrupt pos
like Fanny Willis. If you can have

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porn on powerline, I can say, pos. By the way, Steve

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Well, it's more to sale,
right, I think it does not mean

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but it's the nicest thing I can
say about her. But I mean that's

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my You know, I'm right about
that, Steve. To a certain extent,

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we won't. We might engage,
for instance, in ballad harvesting,

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but we're going to do it legally, right. I mean, I read

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a lot of stories that Republican groups
across the country, you know, kind

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of grassroops, they're engaging in valid
harvesting. Look, I mean it is

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true that if you go back to
I think the twenty eighteen midterm, I

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think it's twenty eighteen, you had
a congressional district in North Carolina where a

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federal judge invalidated the results of the
election because of a fraud committed by Republicans.

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So and because we're back only one
well wait a minute, but my

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point is I think it's comb because
we're bad at it, we Republicans.

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But now, look, Lucre shot
out. I think I think there's a

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waste of time of going too long
about this. Go back to the Obama

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years. You started seeing red states
resisting the mandates, filing the ags,

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filing lawsuits against certain Obama measures,
and they succeeded with some of those challenges.

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Now you have Texas and maybe your
next topic. Those are legal those

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are not underhanded tricks. Well,
but you wait a minute, go back.

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You talked about your Department of Justice
people and John's too nice, and

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where our people are too nice,
I'm saying, guess what, some of

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them are not so nice. Some
of them are starting to play hardball.

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And it started quite a while ago
when the temperatures turning up, and I

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think John said, I can't think
of a single Republican prosecutor who would have

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brought a rego case. Again,
Oh no, they won't do they won't

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do that. But you know,
but I think yet, not yet,

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right now that the President has been
said, but I'm going to raise H's

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favorite senator who was I think who
does show a good example of recipro you

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know, reciprocal tip for tatworking.
That's Mitch McConnell after right, Because after

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Harry Reid took away the filibuster for
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he wanted to pack the DC Circuit
and the other lower courts, which they

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did under Obama, then Mitch McConnell
went and said, okay, well,

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then in retaliation, I'm going to
get rid of the philibuster for Supreme court

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nominees, and that worked out great
for us. Actually underhanded dirty, I

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wasn't underhand of dirty. It's just
you gotta yeah, it's not, it's

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not. It's not Letitia James uh
prosecuting Trump for a victimless crime and then

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the the equally corrupt judge finding him
half a billion dollars, and in a

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system where it's very difficult for Trump
to actually get any kind of a fair

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shake, they would never do something
like that. No, I think you're

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I think you're right. I think
I think you guys used to talk about

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this more on the podcast before I
showed up, is that there just seems

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to be a feature where the progressive
left always ups the ante and we just

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match them. Well, I mean, if you don't believe in right and

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wrong, and you don't believe that
there is a moral truth that we that

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transcends your own human will, why
not. I mean, that's really what

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it comes around. And I think
I think that's why Trump is very popular,

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though amongst a lot of concernives,
because he actually does sort of believe,

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it seems to me, believes a
preemptive strikes, not just not being

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gentlemanly in the face of you know, an opponent who controls the language,

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who controls the media, who controls
academia, and you know, even just

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looking at the silly stuff with the
Rona McDaniels this past week. I mean,

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if that isn't sort of a microcosm
of the joke that our country is

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right now, certainly the mainstream media
is you know, Republicans are are Yeah,

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of course she's going to go to
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a rhino and she's been worthless and
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it turns around that that NBC and
MSNBC are are you know, in shock

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that they would you know, bring
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that this isn't about uh, you
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facts and truth? You know,
do you just want to throw up when

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those people talk? Right, didn't
she get what she deserved? At?

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Yeah? I'm like, why is
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I mean she tried to play foot
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I couldn't care less one where we
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John, this is a win win
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they hired her because she would make
Republicans look bad, and they couldn't even

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stand that at NBC News. They
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was, like, you know,
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just credits them, it humiliates her. I'm fine with her being humiliated because

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I thought she was terrible, and
so this win for us. She's lost

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every election since twenty sixteen. Right. I agree with everything you guys are

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saying. My problem actually, so
Steve, last week, we missed you

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last week, by the way,
John, even if I beat up on

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you the whole time when you weren't
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I've got things to say. I
listened to Okay, okay, but at

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least you know I hadn't forgotten you. So Steve mentioned last time the famous

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George Orwell essay about politics in the
English language. Yes, yeah, I'd

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read it in a thousand years,
so i've I can read it. After

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you mentioned it, Steve, and
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people just can't speak anymore and all
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he says that that can controlling thought
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was what came to me when I
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and Joy Read and those other idiots
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some people who actually watch them.
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dollars a year to have a once
a week show. Yeah, somebody must

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be watching it. I mean,
even MSNBC cannot be that bad at economics,

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right, so yeah, I don't
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maybe what they call a lost leader, but I don't know. Still still

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if nobody was turning it on anyway, anyway, you get my point that

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at some point we can't allow the
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control the terms of debate and the
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they conceal so much talking about Here's
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the next thing, and that is
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we go ahead, yeah, go
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look, I mean there's something new
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you caught it. First of all, preface, you go back thirty years

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ago, and you know political correctness
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by calling it political correctness. That
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somebody I don't know who, but
it's spread fast on social media said

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DEI stands for didn't earn it?
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think that's going to be spread.
It's going to become our slogan, and

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it's going to drive the left out
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it. I think that's what we
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I like that too, for obvious
reasons. But didn't earn it? That

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is fabulous. That is a stroke
of genius. That is worthy of Andrew

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Breitbart, who sadly is not with
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squashed, but I'm sure it was
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Biden. Biden's rhetoric about the border. You know that the attempt to blame

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the lack of a bi partisan reform
bill passing in uh the House and all

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of this on the catastrophe at the
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because people actually believe the lying language
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remember John was kind of shocked about
it. They're not illegal aliens, they're

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newcomers, right, Biden. People
said that used instead of illegal alien.

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No. I actually used it in
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open up more services. But uh, he probably wished he used it,

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but he probably doesn't remember that either. So let me ask you about the

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Fifth Circuit Court ruling. John,
to explain it to us and explain to

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me how we keep going back and
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and these stupid injunctions and rulings and
this and that. First, can I

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get some recognition that I predicted this
outcome you did. Everyone was saying,

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Oh, the Supreme Court looks like
they're gonna, you know, find for

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Texas and the Fifth Circuit Like,
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So tell people listen to that podcast
where you said that. John.

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Yeah, and all my conservative friends
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This pre court signaling that they want
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Arizona versus United States and the Fifth
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that's not what was going to happen. So, uh right, This is

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the case that we've talked about before
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prevent Texas from enforcing its new law, which makes it a crime under Texas

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law for someone to illegally enter Texas
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Texas says it's basically adopting federal immigration
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unconstitutional. In the Supreme Court,
President and the Fifth Circuit right, the

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case went to the Supreme Court asking
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back. It's all complicated procedurally,
but it's not really that complicated reality and

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reality. All that happened was that
the Supreme Court said, just wait and

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let the lower court the Fifth Circuit
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and I think Mississippi, which so
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just let them hear it. And
so we saw the opinion come out this

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week, and I'm not surprised.
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but I'm not surprised because the lower
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governed by this case from ten years
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Arizona tried to do something very similar
to this. Tried to say people who

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are in Arizona in violation of federal
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and that Arizona law enforcement could detain
illegal aliens. So basically, the Fifth

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Circuit said, look, if someone's
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do. It has to be the
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will go up back to the Supreme
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Supreme Court it takes the case and
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Texas is what you're supposed to do. You're a lower court. You have

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to obey Supreme Court precedent, even
if you think it's wrong. Okay,

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this today and I haven't read through the

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whole thing. So what there was
a standing argument. But then there's also

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will they prevail on the merits?
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they don't have a lot of I
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latitude to say we think they shoul
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of the opinion which is interesting,
which we talked about a lot, but

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which didn't make it much into the
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Okay, Arizona governs this case.
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have to strike down this Texas law. Then they said, Texas has this

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new argument based on the invasion clause
right the way we've talked about the you

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know where the article one, section
ten says a state can't make war except

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in you know, self defense when
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don't emit of delay, I think
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the court this is really interesting.
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with almost no reasoning, they say, yeah, this doesn't really persuade us,

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we move along. Really I was, I was really surprised actually that

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the court below did not spend more
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is the new argument that the Texas
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the Arizona case and is genuinely interesting. I don't really side with Texas on

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it because I don't think this is
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made this argument about it, but
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of the hand. I mean,
really really gave it. The judicial equivalent

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of this is so silly. We
don't really feel like talking about oh well,

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well that's not well. I thought
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a potato for them to handle,
not silly. I don't know. Well,

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I don't know. I do have
a procedural questions. Go ahead,

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Sorry, I just want to know
it was I didn't have I scanned the

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case, but I didn't have time
to look carefully. Was this an inbok

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decision or was this three three judge
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panel that initially put the that that
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remain in place? It should be
it should have been the same panel.

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Usually when you get assigned the case
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to that same panel, but it's
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is when we have a circuit court, cases are heard by randomly selective three

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judge panel, but then you have
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which doesn't have to hear cases like
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at its discretion. I figure that
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overruled. If it's going to change, has to be overruled by the Supreme

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Court. So just send it up
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up to Texas to appeal to ask
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Texas, I might just as well
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Court right away. And no,
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the judges are so first of all, isn't isn't our pal James ho

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on the Fifth Circuit? John,
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And that's right, yeah, the
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This case illustrates that I don't know
if people really realize that in the

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general public. So remember there used
to be the liberal Ninth Circuit that would

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always push the law to the left
to get all these cases up to spre

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court. The Fifth Circuit has become
the ninth Circuit for conservatives. It is

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by very conservative court and very daring. I mean they have generated a lot

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of cases I've gone up to court, like the social media cases that the

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Missouri case. Yeah, so you
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now on the other foot, And
of course the liberals are really upset about

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this and want to do something about
it. I'm sure. I'm sorry,

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Steve. I just wanted to ask
before we move on. Isn't that a

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little bit true of the Ninth Circuit
now it's not as liberal as it used

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to be because of a number of
Trump appointees. Yes, I think when

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I checked at the liberals, you
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number judges appointed by Republican presidence by
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It used to be something like you
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So with some liberal powerhouses on that
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so the Ninth Circuit has been moderating
more where the Fifth Circuit has been really

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conservative. Yeah. Well, the
three judges I don't recognize him, Priscilla

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Richmond, the Chief Judge, Oldham
and Ramirez I don't. My only point

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is if it had been even Jones
and James Hall on this panel, I'll

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bet it might have come out differently. That's all. Well, Oldham was

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General Council I think to Governor Abbott, and really he wrote a very long

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discent that Lucretia would love. She
would she would frame it on her wall

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because it goes through in great detail
the number of illegal analysts you've come across

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the Texas border, all the crime
they've caused, deaths, robbery. You

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know, it's uh, I mean, it's a very compelling argument he makes

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for the Supreme Court to overrule Arisota
versus. Yeah, very very Ian's like,

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I think it's like forty to fiftyng. Oh so it's a two to

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one decisions what you're saying, Yes, it's no, it's not unanimous.

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Oh okay, well that's important.
Well this is probably going to shock you

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a little bit, John, But
part of me has a little bit of

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a hard time with that, in
the sense that conservatives have always denounced liberal

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judges for using political arguments to sway
their legal arguments. That one's probably borderline.

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But yeah, no, no,
I know, I know. But

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if I'm going to be principled,
and you know, that's often what John's

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argument is, the principled argument is
X And he doesn't want to hear me

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talk about, you know, the
devastation that comes from from illegal immigration,

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both to American citizens and the people
that are traffic and et cetera, et

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cetera. I've said it so many
times, everybody's sick of it. But

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but it's a tough call. When
when does a crisis, a genuine crisis

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being inflicted upon society purposefully by a
corrupt administration, actually cause a judge to

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say, maybe, are our reticence
about formalities and legal structures and all of

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that has to has to take a
back seat to recognizing our role in resolving

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some genuinely serious crisis. I mean, they raise the this is the quandary

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that was faced by the you know, the anti Ballum federal judges who had

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to enforce force the future slave clause, right, And so there's a great

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book, I think it's called Justice
Accused that is about these judges and what

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they did. And so some of
them resigned, and some of them said,

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I'm gonna I have to enforce the
law if I want to stay a

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judge. But I you know,
I'm going to make clear my disagreement with

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what I'm doing, but I have
to enforce it. But there were a

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few who resigned rather than enforce it. And that's I don't I don't think

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any of these judges there are going
to resign because no this, yeah,

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it's not I get judged and it
doesn't. It does a good answer to

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my comments, John, Actually it
was a it really is what I'm saying.

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I you know, just like in
the old days when when liberal judges,

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liberal district court judges would pass some
sort of ruling and force it on

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the whole country. Then when we
saw that happening occasionally by conservative justices or

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judges, excuse me, district court
judges, you know, I had to

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00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:48.160
look at it and say, I'm
not really much more in favor of that

408
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:52.720
either, even though I like the
outcome. At some point, the rule

409
00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:56.920
of law does have to take precedence
over politics. It's only my only point,

410
00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:00.480
even if they're politics. I like, Sorry, Steve, go ahead.

411
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:02.920
No, I'm all done. I'm
just sitting back smiling about how ten

412
00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:07.559
minutes ago you were saying, we
don't fight back dirty like the Democrats do.

413
00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:10.839
Actually, what I said was we
don't, but I'm not sure we

414
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:15.039
should. Oh, Okay, I
mean I do think John, you were

415
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:17.640
beating up to Okay, I'm sorry. I wasn't beating up John. I

416
00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:22.559
was actually complimenting him. No,
you can you guys not take a compliment.

417
00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:29.880
No, it didn't sound like a
compliment to me, John, John

418
00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:35.759
you okay, So I'll go back
to being awful thoughts on Joe Lieberman just

419
00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:39.400
so you know, I'm going to
break my rule about not speaking ill of

420
00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:43.599
the dead. I am not a
fan of Joe Lieberman. I don't understand

421
00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:47.920
the people who are. And my
biggest complaint about him, mister no labels

422
00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:54.440
voted for Joel Biden and Hillary Clinton. Mister no labels. Mister He's one

423
00:32:54.440 --> 00:33:00.519
of those people that thinks by partisanship
is being a liberal and embracing liberal ideas.

424
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:06.519
He's never had a conservative thought in
his life anyway, or his former

425
00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:15.759
life. Sorry, sorry, rest
in peace. Sorry I'm popular tonight his

426
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:20.359
worst thing. Steve's gonna start name
dropping and I'm gonna go get another glass

427
00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:22.960
of whiskey while he does it because
I can't put up with it tonight.

428
00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:31.680
But he's responsible for leading Donas Don't
Tell, uh, the repeal of Donas

429
00:33:31.759 --> 00:33:37.559
Don't Tell in the military, which
I get the arguments that were in favor

430
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:39.240
of it at the time, but
I would argue to you that that was

431
00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:44.559
the beginning. That was a camel's
nose under the tent, the thin end

432
00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:47.440
of the wedge, whatever stupid cliche
you want to bring to bear. And

433
00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:53.880
the perfect storm of the military.
Okay, sorry, the perfect storm of

434
00:33:53.920 --> 00:33:59.160
tipping points is my favorite cliche.
Mashup, keep going, that's a terrible

435
00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:05.640
cliche. But anyway, we now
have you know, the federal government,

436
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:13.199
the DoD P, actually paid for
twelve abortions people to have twelve abortions last

437
00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:16.960
year and paid for the travel costs. You know that months long standoff that

438
00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:23.480
that stupid idiot Lloyd Austin took because
it was so important to protect women's reproductive

439
00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:28.679
freedom to travel to another state to
have an abortion, and the d d

440
00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:34.400
admitted they had twelve women do it. But anyway, or transgenders in the

441
00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:37.679
military with all of their hormones paid
for and all of their sex chain surgeries

442
00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:40.679
paid for, and you know you
look at the pictures of that and that

443
00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:49.840
he yes, yes, because it
was because had you left don't ask,

444
00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:55.360
don't tell in place. You know
what the argument against it was that asking

445
00:34:55.440 --> 00:35:01.280
people to live a lie. Yeah, look, I mean stupid argument.

446
00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:05.719
Okay, live your lie. I
don't care, come to work, do

447
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:08.480
your job, keep it to yourself. I'm not interested in your sex life.

448
00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:12.480
I don't want to support your sex
life. I don't want to support

449
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:16.039
your sex change operations. I want
you to come and be in the military

450
00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:21.320
to break things and kill people.
That's what the military is supposed to do.

451
00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:25.800
Look, look, that slippery slope
was going to happen anyway, whether

452
00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:29.760
he let it or not. That's
just once you had donuts, don't tell.

453
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:31.599
You could tell you're on your way
to doing this. In other words,

454
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:36.039
if there's never been Joely Bremen will
still be exactly where we are today,

455
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:39.360
I think. And then on the
other sidide, well, there's an

456
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:44.440
excuse him for being a part of
it, Okay. I take a balance

457
00:35:44.480 --> 00:35:46.199
sheet on people, is the way
I evaluate people. And I will be

458
00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:53.400
always grateful to him for rounding up
enough Democratic senators to vote for Clarence Thomas's

459
00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:59.039
confirmation in nineteen ninety one. He
was the key guy for that. And

460
00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:01.159
you know that alone stands for did
you ever meet him by the way,

461
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:05.159
John, or you know in your
time at once or twice when I was

462
00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:09.159
here, we go John, get
ready, No, I won't. I

463
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:14.000
sent an email to the Crease about
how I would defend him because I got

464
00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:17.239
to know him not well, but
you remember my name and you know,

465
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:22.559
uh well, I'll just say that
he understood that the enemy of the country

466
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:25.360
with the Progressives for the underminding of
the Constitution. He understood that problem,

467
00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:30.159
but he understood that he is more
to blame. All right, I'm gonna

468
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:31.719
tell you this story about him.
Uh. First of all, I remember

469
00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:36.960
that William F. Buckley supported him
against who Republican Lowell Whiker, who,

470
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:40.000
by the way, he would have
been even sooner than Lieberman on you know,

471
00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:44.920
Gay's the military and lots of other
really bad stuff. Reagan wrote in

472
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:49.519
his diary that, Lol, Whiker
is a no good, pompous fatthead that's

473
00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:55.119
kindly gentle Ronald Reagan and so uh
and and Buckley hated Lord was better than

474
00:36:55.159 --> 00:37:00.239
him. Okay, wow, hold
on, I haven't finished this yet.

475
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:04.840
Lieberman said, one day the Little
Walls a guy gatherings Johnson's guy. I

476
00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:07.719
had a feeling that actually Ronald Reagan
was for me because it was nineteen eighty

477
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:10.599
eight when he ran. And I
happen to know that. One day Ronald

478
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:15.599
Reagan in the Oval office, got
out his checkbook started writing a campaign contribution

479
00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:20.719
to Joe Lieberman really and and Ken
Duberstein, who was the chief of staff,

480
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:22.159
and said, mister President, you
know you're the titual leader of the

481
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:27.079
party, and I know you hate
Loel Wiker. You can't write a check

482
00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:29.880
to a Democratic candidate. You just
can't. And Reagan said, okay,

483
00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:31.800
you're right, you don't. He
didn't do it. But Liberman didn't know

484
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:36.119
that story until I told him.
And okay, so I kind of liked

485
00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:38.800
the guy personally. And again,
his Clarence Thomas photo alone, if he

486
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:44.159
never never did anything else decent,
that alone, I am grateful to him

487
00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:50.119
for I didn't know that Clarence Taunas
story. I've I actually, uh thought

488
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:54.559
Lieberman deserved some points for providing,
you know, sort of center we used

489
00:37:54.559 --> 00:38:00.440
to be centrist Democratic support for the
war in a rock, for not pulling

490
00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:06.480
out and running to you know,
turning when things look the worst. And

491
00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:08.760
I think he's always had a sort
of sense. I thought it was a

492
00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:13.159
sort of sensible voice and form POSSI
I didn't know that he was one of

493
00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:17.440
the leaders of overruling Donas Hotel,
But I don't know. Lucretia. I'm

494
00:38:17.480 --> 00:38:22.519
kind of with Steve. I think
that we'd be there anyway by now.

495
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:27.880
I think that the military reflects our
society, and gays in the military is

496
00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:31.039
just coming, just like I think, like gay marriage was was unstoppable too.

497
00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:35.559
I just I don't. I don't
think it would. I don't think

498
00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:37.800
it mattered. I I'm trying to
remember the debates of those days. I

499
00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:43.199
thought what I wanted to know back
then, I wondered just what the data

500
00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:45.760
was was. You know, there
are militaries, I think, like the

501
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:49.000
Israeli military, where gays did serve
in the military, and I wondered if

502
00:38:49.000 --> 00:38:53.480
there were any way to judge effectiveness
between gays in the military militaries that didn't

503
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:59.880
have gays. I have no idea. Was Binders, full of supposed evidence,

504
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:04.440
says it had absolutely no effect on
readiness, absolutely no no if and

505
00:39:04.440 --> 00:39:07.920
and and that launched his academic career
as an idiot. But look, I

506
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:12.159
mean, didn't Bob Dole say?
I think it was Bob Dole, And

507
00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:14.760
if I'm wrong, offer our correction
next week. I think he said at

508
00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:17.159
one point, we don't care if
someone is straight, We only care if

509
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:25.119
they can shoot straight. He was, but that's not even a standard anymore

510
00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:30.000
either. The standard has nothing to
do with that, and that's part of

511
00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:35.960
the whole degradation, degradation of the
military that started with I mean, do

512
00:39:36.039 --> 00:39:40.119
I think somebody should be discriminated against
if they're gay and they're otherwise completely very

513
00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:45.320
capable. No, But sho,
I ask you this question, would you

514
00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:51.519
prefer Joe Lieberman or his successor Chris
Murphy in the Senate? At least you

515
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:54.599
know Chris Murphy, you know what
you get. I know he's a foul

516
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:58.159
human being, Chris Murphy, I
get it. He's the one, by

517
00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:00.960
the way, who is so embarrassed. Did you hear about this? You

518
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:05.559
know, poor Kate Middleton, all
the conspiracy theories. So she finally comes

519
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:09.000
up. You know, I'm gonna
tug a little at listener's heart springs.

520
00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:12.760
For a moment, I actually felt
a little bit of sympathy for her because

521
00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:16.800
I've been in I've been in both
her position and her children's position. I

522
00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:22.360
was the same age as as her
little girl, her youngest when I found

523
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:27.360
out my mom had cancer and then
died, and I have been the mom

524
00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:30.119
that had to tell my kids I
have cancer, So I know what she

525
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:36.119
was going through. But that's besides
that. So Chris Murphy's the guy who

526
00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:40.320
got up there and complained because they
said they pushed him aside because he was

527
00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:44.320
going to talk about how great the
I think it was, the Affordable Care

528
00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:49.199
Act was, and on CNN and
then CNN, sorry, we have an

529
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:52.159
update from Kate Middleton about her health. And he posted a whole bunch of

530
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:55.440
nasty, snarky things on Twitter.
And then it turned out, you know,

531
00:40:55.480 --> 00:40:59.159
she said she had cancer, and
he was really embarrassed. But no,

532
00:40:59.239 --> 00:41:01.079
I get him a bad person.
Yeah, well, now one other

533
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:05.239
thing I'll mention you. Remember he
was It is just a surprising thing for

534
00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:07.119
al Gore to do, to pick
him as the running mate in two thousand.

535
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:14.079
Do you think a Jewish Democrat can
be on a national ticket today?

536
00:41:14.519 --> 00:41:16.280
I think the answer to that is
clearly no. Probably no, she tells

537
00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:21.159
you a lot. I think it
would have been interesting. Remember McCain was

538
00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:24.519
very close to picking in right,
I know, the last chose Sarah Paine.

539
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:30.960
Well, you know, just I
actually liked Sarah Palin a lot,

540
00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:34.559
but it wasn't to a good pick
for McCain. Well, I mean,

541
00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:37.320
well I wish I had a great
job actually in the campaigning. But I

542
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:40.519
think the McCain Lieberman ticket would have
been truly. I mean, I have

543
00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:44.199
no idea what you guys tell me
whether they would have had a chance,

544
00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:45.519
but I would I would have liked
No, I don't think so. I

545
00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:49.360
think it wouldn't have worked. I
mean, I understand a lot. This

546
00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:52.679
is a subject for another day.
Among the many reasons I disliked John McCain,

547
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:57.440
I won't say as strongly as Lucreatia
would, is that he wrecks Sarah

548
00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:00.199
Palin. I think she had a
real future. Yeah, and she was

549
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:07.519
elevated too soon and a rector.
I remember attending a John McCain event with

550
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:15.159
question, I'm gonna forget that guy's
name now, but nothing keep going.

551
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:20.159
Sorry, I didn't hear you a
very conservative guy who's running against him for

552
00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:24.320
Senate after and he just excoriated the
guy. He did the same. John

553
00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:30.679
McCain had had nothing kind ever to
say about a primary opponent, or about

554
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:36.559
Donald Trump, or about any conservative
that he considered any kind of competition.

555
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:45.039
But he never ever said one cross
or derogatory or even slightly negative word about

556
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:49.679
Obama. And I mean everyone said
you should call him every time you talk

557
00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:53.400
about him rock hosts Hassane Obama,
and he wouldn't do it, you know.

558
00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:58.760
And so I don't even want to
get into John McCain, but there

559
00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:02.079
was no difference between John McCain and
Joe Lieberman. He chose Sarah Palin because

560
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:07.360
at least she was a conservative and
tried, you know, for her.

561
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:09.280
She was a maverick, right,
I mean, her reputation, her deserved

562
00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:14.440
reputation in Alaska is that she was
a maverick against corruption and that appealed to

563
00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:15.880
him. That was part of it. By the way, whatever happened to

564
00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:20.159
her, I thought a picture of
her yesterday in a story, but I

565
00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:23.639
didn't read it. Yeah, no, the limelight. Yeah, well,

566
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:28.880
remember she ran her house and there
she could in the primary for that.

567
00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:31.920
Yeah, well, resigned as governor
because they were after that. By the

568
00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:36.920
way, they went after her in
Alaska in a sense. I didn't mean

569
00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:38.480
to beg us off on this,
but in the same way they're going after

570
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:42.639
Trump, and she decided rather than
put up all the crap and fight it,

571
00:43:42.760 --> 00:43:45.840
she resigned and become a TV star
and making money. And you know,

572
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:47.920
I can get all that because you
know, she was Okay, I

573
00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:52.119
thought she'd run against you know,
replaced, get you know, get Lisa

574
00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:53.400
Murkowski out of the Senate. I
mean, that's well, that would be

575
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:59.519
a good thing to do. That's
another on the Lucretia's Hall. Right right,

576
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:02.599
let's not go there. I want
to know she's so out of the

577
00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:09.119
game now, that's not not right
now, But you never know. Okay,

578
00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:12.480
I'm gonna jump ahead and see if
we have time to come back,

579
00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:15.679
because I really want to know the
answer to this question, John, I

580
00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:20.119
really want to know. So all
this talk lately, it's been in the

581
00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:24.119
news constantly lately about this thing about
squatters' rights. Oh, yeah, today,

582
00:44:24.280 --> 00:44:29.199
I believe it was today, is
today or yesterday? Ron DeSantis signed

583
00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:36.480
a bill in Florida that makes squatting
a criminal act and it has different levels

584
00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:39.159
of uh, you know, felony, second degree felony, first degree felony,

585
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:49.639
even a misdemeanor for presenting a false
tenant lease. And it's this whole

586
00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:52.320
list of things designed to try to
and he talks about you know, uh,

587
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:55.760
you know people in Florida. A
lot of older people have houses in

588
00:44:55.760 --> 00:45:00.880
Florida that go to in the winter
and they're you know, they're empty in

589
00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:07.360
the summer and squatting there is kind
of a big deal and this shouldn't happen.

590
00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:10.920
And then the sheriff said, this
is to call them squatters as much

591
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:15.440
to kind. They're criminals, their
con artists. The one thing he said

592
00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:22.880
was, at least this makes it
possible for us to engage law enforcement in

593
00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:28.719
some of the situations, because otherwise
it's a civil matter and we can't intervene.

594
00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:34.039
That's the closest I've ever gotten to
understanding how this whole squatter thing might

595
00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:37.760
work. How is it that there
are laws on the books that will allow

596
00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:46.000
somebody to go into someone else's private
property claim ownership by possession nine tenths of

597
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:50.639
the law or something like that,
and then the state will actually prosecute the

598
00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:53.119
rightful owner of the property for trying
to get that person out and get their

599
00:45:53.159 --> 00:45:57.159
property back. Explain it to me, because I don't get it. So

600
00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:01.679
I am so glad you brought this
up, because that allows us to continue

601
00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:07.719
our discussion of natural rights. I
think that's true. No, actually is

602
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:10.440
true, because no, no,
really, I mean it seriously in this

603
00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:15.719
sense that this is actually a good
example the difference between the natural rights approach

604
00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:21.360
to the law and what I would
say this are a modern instrumental you know,

605
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:25.360
utilitarian approach to the law Governah,
which governs you know, our legal

606
00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:30.239
profession today. So right, if
you believe in natural rights, then you

607
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:34.679
increase this question makes total sense.
We have natural right to property. You

608
00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:37.840
own a house. How does anyone
ever have the right to enter your house

609
00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:43.159
and live there without your permission?
Right? The one of the fundamental aspects

610
00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:46.400
of the right to property is the
right to exclude everyone else in the world

611
00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:50.880
from your property. That's like one
of the definitions of property and to have

612
00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:55.199
government protected. But you will be
stocked to learn, as I was as

613
00:46:55.239 --> 00:47:00.920
a first year student, that there
is something called adverse possession which has long

614
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:07.079
existed, which allows people to actually
come take your property away even though you

615
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:10.159
didn't sell it to them. You
didn't give it to them just by coming

616
00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:15.800
onto your land and staying there for
a long period of time. So squatter's

617
00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:22.400
rights is actually just considered I think
a less radical intrusion into your properties is

618
00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:24.920
something like average possession. So I
remember this, this was explained to this

619
00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:28.599
is I was explaining to me law
school, not a property scholar. But

620
00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:31.400
this is how I was explained to
me by a very distinguished property scholar,

621
00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:37.239
was the point of property is not
natural rights. It's about the efficient allocation

622
00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:44.719
and use of resources. And so
we discovered over time, is starting in

623
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:50.960
England, that one of the best
ways to allocate resources and get them to

624
00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:55.400
their most productive use is to have
property rights. But that also means that

625
00:47:55.440 --> 00:48:00.559
if people are not using the property
in a productive way societ I should be

626
00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:04.440
able to take it away from them
and reallocate it to people who will use

627
00:48:04.480 --> 00:48:08.039
it better. And so this is
but this is the idea of splatters rights

628
00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:12.960
in a small form. It's a
bigger form adverse possession, which the idea

629
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:16.800
of someone's not using their land and
you show up and you sit there and

630
00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:22.000
use it productively, and you're there
openly, and the other guy doesn't do

631
00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:24.639
anything, the owner doesn't do anything
about it. Over a certain number of

632
00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:31.159
years, you you actually can take
the property away from them. I think

633
00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:35.280
that's what I don't think that's what's
I don't think that's what's going on.

634
00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:43.199
I mean, well, igical,
No, it's not idellogical. I mean

635
00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:45.239
it's related also, John, I
mean I'll extend your argument, which is

636
00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:49.760
related to the idea of prescriptive Eastman, which is when trespass no longer becomes

637
00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:53.760
trespassed over land, not involving buildings, and so England that that common law

638
00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:58.840
goes back centuries. We do followed
some in this country. I know.

639
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:01.760
Oh, I'll give an example where
I live out here at the Beach.

640
00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:06.280
I have a street to street driveway
that goes from one street through my property

641
00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:08.440
to a bottom street. People used
to drive over it once in a while

642
00:49:08.480 --> 00:49:13.199
thinking it was a shortcut. And
and you know, my dad, who's

643
00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:15.079
aware of this problem, said,
you know, if you don't register with

644
00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:19.840
county and post a note, that's
why you see posted no trespassing signs,

645
00:49:20.199 --> 00:49:24.960
that's your legal protection from right from
someone gaining a prescriptive easement over your property.

646
00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:29.360
That's that's a different kind of squading. I think. By the way,

647
00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:31.920
the key phrase you said was long
period of time. That's that's what's

648
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:35.880
happening here. People are showing up
for a month, a week or maybe

649
00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:42.679
two months or less, and they
have fake documents and someone else. But

650
00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:45.840
the bigger picture thing is once you're
willing to I'm actually making your argument,

651
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:50.480
I think, which is, once
you relax the absolute right to property and

652
00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:53.440
you admit, oh, the state
can actually start modifying, changing it,

653
00:49:54.039 --> 00:49:59.199
giving it away to people. Then
you really have to let the state decide

654
00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:02.719
how long do people get to sit
there before they have some kind of property

655
00:50:02.719 --> 00:50:07.039
writer, they have some right to
live there, they have a person,

656
00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:10.960
Which is why Desantas was forced,
from a common sense point of view,

657
00:50:12.039 --> 00:50:16.519
to codify into law what seems just
automatically natural and like they're like, I

658
00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:20.960
just what I'm saying is it never
should have had to be done that.

659
00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:25.679
Look the idea that my property rights
are sacred and anybody violating them is a

660
00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:30.519
criminal. But look, Lucretia,
you want to you know, listeners,

661
00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:34.360
we had a pregame show about this. You want to criticize me for saying

662
00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:37.440
there's an ideological route to this,
but here are the practical steps. So

663
00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:40.360
two examples. One is, I
have a good friend I just talked to

664
00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:44.519
this week. It's a very nice
house, very you know, a seven

665
00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:49.039
figure worthouse who's had rented someone on
a long term lease for a long time,

666
00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:52.559
who stopped paying rents six months ago, and she still can't get him

667
00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:54.519
out of the house. Now she's
going with a lawyer during the process.

668
00:50:54.679 --> 00:50:59.840
Why is it taking so long to
get someone defaulting on a rent in violation

669
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:06.119
of a legal illegal lease. Well, that's because the ideological root is landlords

670
00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:08.360
are bad, tenants are good.
We want tenants rights, we want a

671
00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:15.639
privilege and protect tenants from being evicted. We broadened that during COVID, and

672
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:20.559
I think the next step in it
was extending this to squatters. And then

673
00:51:20.559 --> 00:51:23.840
the problem for police is an owner
says someone squatting in my house. You

674
00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:27.719
show up and say this is my
house, and the renter comes out,

675
00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:30.000
and by the way it turns out, I learned this this week. There

676
00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:34.679
are organized efforts, some of them
foreign, some of them link to the

677
00:51:34.760 --> 00:51:38.239
illegal migrant campaign going on, and
they tell people, here's how you make

678
00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:43.760
phony documents. Here's how we create
an account with the utility companies. You

679
00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:45.800
pay a bill. You show the
policeman, I've been living here, been

680
00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:50.760
paying utility bills. Here's my lease. A police officer on the spot is

681
00:51:50.800 --> 00:51:53.599
not a judge. They're not empowered
to make a judicial determination on who's the

682
00:51:53.639 --> 00:51:58.800
rightful owner on the spot. And
if an owners there and look, i'm

683
00:51:58.880 --> 00:52:02.159
i'm you know, would be baseball
bats with spikes on it. If not

684
00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:07.920
more a forceful uh A means of
kicking someone out of my house. But

685
00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:14.320
if someone's there who's angry, uh, I can see the police are at

686
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:15.840
a tough spot. And that's why
they say, you know these people.

687
00:52:16.039 --> 00:52:20.599
I think a lot of these squads
are probably very clever. They act calm,

688
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:22.960
and so these documents. What's a
police police person supposed to do on

689
00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:28.000
the spot? Now, by the
way, criminal it's a civil thing.

690
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:34.039
I mean, if someone's exactly right, you can't you have to sue them.

691
00:52:34.039 --> 00:52:36.760
Now, if they threaten you,
impact you, then you could get

692
00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:39.599
the police involved. But there's nothing
criminal. But I take it that's what

693
00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:44.360
Desanta's new law does, is that
does make a criminal offense. And that's

694
00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:47.360
the other that's the other aspect of
it is. I think Stee's right in

695
00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:52.440
this respect that California is the worst
state on this, that they are so

696
00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:58.159
pro tenant an anti landlord that I
think actually probably leads to rents being higher

697
00:52:58.360 --> 00:53:02.360
part because if you're a landlorders it
takes on this rent's higher. Well just

698
00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:07.519
one lass, but so I think
you should because this each state controls a

699
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:12.360
law on this issue. That Lucretia
has raised about how far do your propy

700
00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:14.920
rights go. There could be states
that say we're not going to recognize any

701
00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:17.159
average possession at all. We will
have no squatters rights, and this will

702
00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:22.480
be a healthy competition between states and
more people. Just so the curiosity,

703
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:28.079
John go to Texas the house I'd
want to squad and is this beautiful place

704
00:53:28.159 --> 00:53:30.840
up in Montana. It's thirty thousand
square foot on I want to say,

705
00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:36.400
twenty acres or something. It's got
a tennis indoors pool and tennis courts in

706
00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:37.639
a theater and all you know,
blah blah blah. When it was a

707
00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:42.280
huge, big, gorgeous. Is
that Nancy Pelosi's house. No, I

708
00:53:42.280 --> 00:53:45.719
don't think so. It's it's actually
empty. It's for sale. So if

709
00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:49.760
I go squad in it, I'm
guessing Montana's laws are not going to be

710
00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:57.079
as friendly to my uh wow as
California. I think. In Montana it's

711
00:53:57.079 --> 00:54:00.000
been true for a long time.
And in Montana the advice you yet from

712
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:05.599
local law enforcement and government officials and
so forth, is if you find it

713
00:54:05.719 --> 00:54:09.199
the endangered species on your land and
the government doesn't know it's there yet,

714
00:54:09.519 --> 00:54:15.239
what you're supposed to do is shoot, shovel and shut up. My guess

715
00:54:15.320 --> 00:54:19.079
is in Montana, if you say
to a sheriff there's a squattern in my

716
00:54:19.159 --> 00:54:22.840
house, the sheriff will say you
should shoot shovel and shut up. That

717
00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:28.880
would be the attitude of Montana,
say the law self help. Well sure,

718
00:54:28.960 --> 00:54:31.480
but you well you mentioned a Montana
example. And by the way,

719
00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:37.360
I mean last this last point.
I know lots lots of people who suffered

720
00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:43.079
through this during COVID because during COVID, both the city is a state of

721
00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:49.199
California and the federal government had no
eviction policy, right, and so people

722
00:54:49.239 --> 00:54:53.400
basically, I think in San Francisco
lived I know someone who who rented out

723
00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:57.719
an apartment that's basically a person lived
in there for two years rent free.

724
00:54:58.039 --> 00:55:00.920
Yeah, there's nothing you could do
about it. And see, I think

725
00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:04.639
the ideology behind this is not just
pro tenants rights. Landlords are bad.

726
00:55:04.719 --> 00:55:08.840
It's an indirect means of wealth redistribution. That's it. But see, now

727
00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:12.760
let me ask you this, guys, you natural law gurus. Doesn't this

728
00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:16.800
show that there is no natural right
to property? No, not at all.

729
00:55:16.840 --> 00:55:21.719
That would say, no, not
at all. In fact, what

730
00:55:21.760 --> 00:55:28.119
we saw was the opposite. Not
what you're you're suppicit. Eminent property lawyer

731
00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:34.800
professor said, but what we see
is compare us at a better time to

732
00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:39.400
Mexico, where there is no protection
for property rights and whatnot. And I

733
00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:46.920
mean, what we know from natural
laws outcomes is that the protection the the

734
00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:54.280
fair and as much as possible,
unbiased objective application of property laws to property

735
00:55:54.320 --> 00:56:00.599
owners, encouraging property, protecting property
leads to the greatest wealth material real wealth

736
00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:04.440
society has ever known in the history
of the world that we know. Now,

737
00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:07.440
you could say that that doesn't make
it natural law. That's a whole

738
00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:12.039
different argument. But one of the
things I was just going to say along

739
00:56:12.039 --> 00:56:16.039
those lines to Steve's and your argument
about what do you do Well, at

740
00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:22.679
some point it's going to become impossible
not only for people to find places to

741
00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:27.039
rent, but as we know,
find places to buy and live. So,

742
00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:32.880
I mean, who it used to
be a very lucrative for middle class

743
00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:38.559
people a way to you know,
show up their retirement funds to buy houses

744
00:56:38.599 --> 00:56:44.519
and rent them out. I wouldn't
even dream of buying a house as an

745
00:56:44.519 --> 00:56:49.519
investment nowadays. And so what does
that do across society? What are the

746
00:56:49.559 --> 00:56:53.079
third and fourth order effects of that? And you know. That's the problem

747
00:56:53.119 --> 00:56:59.840
with progressives. They're so stupid.
They don't understand the ramifications of something like

748
00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:06.840
a no eviction policy or a rent
control policy, or fifteen dollars twenty dollars

749
00:57:06.840 --> 00:57:10.280
minimum wage policy, or what was
that idiot in California wanted one hundred dollars

750
00:57:10.280 --> 00:57:14.320
minimum way two was that? I
don't know, some idiots one of the

751
00:57:14.400 --> 00:57:17.599
dumb right anyway, Okay, Steve
says, I have to move on to

752
00:57:19.360 --> 00:57:22.559
this is really extraordinary. You know, we started, we tried to start.

753
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:25.199
We don't always get to it because
we talked too much. But so

754
00:57:25.320 --> 00:57:30.920
do I the article of the week, and we're all supposed to bring our

755
00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:32.320
article of the week. And guess
what, we all brought the same article.

756
00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:36.119
So, Steve, I'm gonna have
since you brought it first, but

757
00:57:36.199 --> 00:57:39.039
I had saved it before you told
me, so tell us about the article.

758
00:57:39.760 --> 00:57:44.639
Well, it's a Walter wrestle Mead
writing a long piece in tablet.

759
00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:47.239
You may know Walter wrestle Mead,
that fellow of the Council on Former Relations.

760
00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:52.760
Pretty establishment guy. He writes in
the Wall Street Journal every week on

761
00:57:52.840 --> 00:57:58.199
international relations. But this article on
tablet a bit of a odd title Twilight

762
00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:01.159
of the Walks, But when you
get into it, it's an attack onnest

763
00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:07.840
most most, especially the U the
leadership of our elite universities. And now

764
00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:10.360
he doesn't say anything that we haven't
said on this podcast had written about,

765
00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:15.000
but boy does he do at length
and use the strongest language possible. He

766
00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:22.320
refers to, uh, the leadership
of our universities as moral jellyfish impostors.

767
00:58:23.559 --> 00:58:27.920
Gosh, what else does he say? Uh? I underline a whole bunch

768
00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:34.400
of passages here. Oh, most
of our years are people of extraordinary mediocrity

769
00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:40.320
and conventional thinking, careerist mediocrities who
specialize in uttering the approved platitudes of the

770
00:58:40.360 --> 00:58:44.440
moment. I mean, don't write
a match next to this article. It

771
00:58:44.519 --> 00:58:47.559
is smoking hot and vultle and combustible. And when a guy like me does

772
00:58:47.599 --> 00:58:50.960
this, not only does he does
it well, but I think that is

773
00:58:51.239 --> 00:58:53.880
you know, it's significant. Told
him that you know someone who's you know,

774
00:58:53.960 --> 00:58:59.039
not an idiologue of the right,
Uh that I you know, I

775
00:58:59.199 --> 00:59:00.559
just was like, Wow, this
is a great article. I wish I'd

776
00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:06.320
written it. You know, I
wasn't persuaded by the second half of it.

777
00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:08.760
So the first half of yeah,
so the first half of it is

778
00:59:09.199 --> 00:59:17.320
criticism of the leadership of universities that
the October seventh and most attacked on Israel

779
00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:23.239
and all the disruption that's causing on
campus has opened to the public what we've

780
00:59:23.320 --> 00:59:29.000
known is going on with the rot
caused by DEI and so on. But

781
00:59:29.199 --> 00:59:32.280
you know, then the second half
of the article becomes this kind of wholesale

782
00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:37.360
attack on the structure of American universities
or Western universities. I don't know if

783
00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:42.360
it's particularly American, and you know, he basically, you know, makes

784
00:59:42.360 --> 00:59:51.239
an argument that universities today are just
poorly structured for this new world we're coming

785
00:59:51.280 --> 00:59:55.559
into with AI and instant worldwide you
know, instant information at our fingertips and

786
00:59:55.599 --> 00:59:59.960
so on, that I did not
find persuasive. He made very well,

787
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:05.760
I'll be right, but I didn't
see any evidence or really persuasive reasoning there

788
01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:08.519
that made me think, oh,
you know, this whole which he seems

789
01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:13.119
to suggest at the end, this
whole edifice of American higher education is going

790
01:00:13.159 --> 01:00:17.159
to come tumbling down just the way
from the left and right. Yeah,

791
01:00:17.199 --> 01:00:20.760
he says, you know, Americ
universes under attacked by the left. They're

792
01:00:20.800 --> 01:00:23.840
under attacked by the right. He
thinks they're not gonna be around in the

793
01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:27.719
current, you know, the form
that we know them in for a lot

794
01:00:27.800 --> 01:00:30.559
longer that he compares it. This
part was the probably I thought was right,

795
01:00:30.679 --> 01:00:37.000
was how universities greatly expanded during the
Industrial Revolution and mass production and the

796
01:00:37.039 --> 01:00:44.400
need to have better educated, more
specialized managerial classes of people that were produced

797
01:00:44.400 --> 01:00:49.559
by these universities. So he thinks
the information revolution will have a similar And

798
01:00:49.639 --> 01:00:52.079
he sort of says, before universities
were kind of like the things gentlemen and

799
01:00:52.119 --> 01:00:55.960
I guess gentle women did. It
was almost like a hobby. Yeah,

800
01:00:57.079 --> 01:01:00.480
not so occasionally now and then otherwise
he would be so lonely if there head

801
01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:06.239
if there had been no lucretia,
you know. Yeah. So those are

802
01:01:06.280 --> 01:01:09.079
the points just that he makes it
sound like, oh that kind of the

803
01:01:09.079 --> 01:01:15.320
Oxford Cambridge approach to higher education was
replaced by the Harvard approach to education,

804
01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:22.119
much larger, more expertise based,
more managerial, less of a hobby,

805
01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:25.760
less idiosyncratic, And he just says
that we're going to have another great revolution

806
01:01:25.960 --> 01:01:30.760
in high education. Now, I
persuasion. I can see a lot of

807
01:01:30.760 --> 01:01:32.800
the piece a lot, Yeah,
I didn't. I can see why you

808
01:01:32.840 --> 01:01:36.960
might not have found that persuasive.
I think I put my own arguments into

809
01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:39.800
that one and persuaded myself a little
bit more than what did you say,

810
01:01:39.880 --> 01:01:43.119
think it will? Why do you
think that will happen? Well, let

811
01:01:43.119 --> 01:01:45.159
me let me go back just a
little bit and talk about One of the

812
01:01:45.239 --> 01:01:51.400
things I found persuasive was that whole
section where he talked about how George Washington,

813
01:01:51.679 --> 01:01:55.320
Robert E. Lee, Abraham Lincoln, all of these people who who

814
01:01:55.480 --> 01:02:00.639
are considered, you know, just
luminaries in our history, would never have

815
01:02:00.760 --> 01:02:07.440
been able even to get a job, any kind of job in the modern

816
01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:12.079
world, because they did not have
the right credentials. John Marshall, you

817
01:02:12.079 --> 01:02:16.719
know Ben Franklin, whose formal education
ended at ten, considered one of the

818
01:02:16.719 --> 01:02:21.880
great inventors. John Marshall, who
never you know, he could never get

819
01:02:21.880 --> 01:02:23.760
a job at a third rate law
firm, is how I think he puts

820
01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:31.159
it, something like that. It's
interesting because we employed he's since retired,

821
01:02:31.639 --> 01:02:42.039
but we employed a guy as an
instructor at the college who has a bachelor's

822
01:02:42.079 --> 01:02:46.199
degree, and he taught graduate students, and we got the university to say

823
01:02:46.280 --> 01:02:52.239
yes to him. Now, if
I could tell you his his real credentials,

824
01:02:52.280 --> 01:02:57.159
his you know, I won't go
into it now, but just an

825
01:02:57.199 --> 01:03:01.920
expert in staganography, the best professor
we've probably ever hired in the college.

826
01:03:01.960 --> 01:03:07.039
Everybody loved him, terrific guy.
But he couldn't have gotten a job in

827
01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:13.599
any place other than my kind of
innovative outside the box, whatever stupid thing

828
01:03:13.639 --> 01:03:17.239
you want to call it college because
he didn't have the credentials, but he

829
01:03:17.440 --> 01:03:25.119
taught in one of those disciplines that
I mean. He was an AI expert.

830
01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:29.559
He was doing AI before anybody ever
heard of it, for instance.

831
01:03:30.119 --> 01:03:37.960
And I can see that that what's
happening with the ideological bent of universities.

832
01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:40.559
I have one more story about that, really quick, that they're gonna not

833
01:03:40.679 --> 01:03:46.320
be good for very much longer at
producing the kind of expertise that's going to

834
01:03:46.400 --> 01:03:50.239
work in the world. That's what
I see. Maybe that's what I'm putting

835
01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:54.920
into his argument. And so my
last my last really quick anecdote had a

836
01:03:55.599 --> 01:04:03.519
we're hiring and had an interview today
a teaching presentation from a woman who I'm

837
01:04:03.679 --> 01:04:08.920
so sad to find out she actually
already works for us as an adjunct professor

838
01:04:09.280 --> 01:04:13.679
who did this whole thing about AI
and how biased it is and that it's

839
01:04:13.719 --> 01:04:19.559
all a monolithic, white male dominated
Yeah. Really standard. But I mean,

840
01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:25.559
and she breaks up this stupid Netflix
documentary of this stupid black woman.

841
01:04:25.840 --> 01:04:30.159
Oh and AI doesn't recognize my face
until I put a white mask on.

842
01:04:30.320 --> 01:04:31.960
And you know, it's just it
was awful. It was third grade kind

843
01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:36.840
of nonsense stuff. Never mind that
the topic was so trite and so forth,

844
01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:41.519
but her presentation was terrible. So
you know, I'm rotten. And

845
01:04:41.599 --> 01:04:45.280
here she is nervous about making this
presentation. I ask, So, your

846
01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:51.079
whole theory about monolithic white males dominating, how does that work with Google Gemini's

847
01:04:51.159 --> 01:04:56.079
AI release that just came out.
She said, well, I don't know

848
01:04:56.119 --> 01:05:00.840
what you're talking about. Oh no, oh my god. So I guess

849
01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:06.719
my point is that this whole ideological
bent that has taken over universities that is

850
01:05:06.800 --> 01:05:13.559
just so orthodox now is actually going
to prevent universities from doing the kind of

851
01:05:13.599 --> 01:05:18.440
adapting that Walter Russell meet says they're
not doing. That's that's what wohin,

852
01:05:18.480 --> 01:05:21.039
I don't know what you think of
that. Well, look, I mean,

853
01:05:21.079 --> 01:05:26.400
actually I think you provide a good
example of I think me misses something.

854
01:05:27.159 --> 01:05:30.239
Uh, and you're the antidote to
it, Lucretia, I mean,

855
01:05:30.400 --> 01:05:32.119
I think we used to talk about
this a while long time ago. You

856
01:05:32.239 --> 01:05:35.800
run a cyber program, you're training
people to work in a cybersphere. You

857
01:05:35.880 --> 01:05:40.679
tell the great joke about what's an
extroverted engineer? Someone looks at someone else's

858
01:05:40.679 --> 01:05:45.039
shoes instead of their own. Right. But you when you teach ethics,

859
01:05:45.360 --> 01:05:47.199
what cyber and ethics? What do
you do? You make them readplay on

860
01:05:47.239 --> 01:05:51.320
Aristotle? I do, but that's
the only such class. But the other

861
01:05:51.320 --> 01:05:54.800
thing I do, Steve, is
they don't teach it from an ideological bent,

862
01:05:54.880 --> 01:06:01.199
my student, I know, But
the point is that's I do think

863
01:06:01.280 --> 01:06:06.320
liberal education is necessary, but I
wouldn't put most most college students. I

864
01:06:06.360 --> 01:06:11.079
wouldn't even tell them to get a
liberal education from most colleges. You know,

865
01:06:11.199 --> 01:06:13.360
No, I understand that. But
yeah, no, I didn't mean

866
01:06:13.400 --> 01:06:15.159
I did. I was not making
an ideological point at all, except to

867
01:06:15.199 --> 01:06:20.480
say that our universities are so bad
at it that you need at least some

868
01:06:20.559 --> 01:06:25.559
people who have a more capacious grasp
of the world. In other words,

869
01:06:25.559 --> 01:06:30.400
a statesman like approach, if not
politicians to remedy. The problem of specialization,

870
01:06:30.800 --> 01:06:33.639
that's what that's what meediately brings up
as we have a specialized world.

871
01:06:33.719 --> 01:06:38.519
Look when I when I want heart
surgery, I want a thoracic or cardioal

872
01:06:38.639 --> 01:06:44.079
you know, cardiac surgeon who really
knows that specialty, but running the hospital,

873
01:06:44.280 --> 01:06:46.440
or it'll be the dean of medicine
you want. You want somebody of

874
01:06:46.480 --> 01:06:51.079
a broader gauge who has so liberal
aspect to it. I totally agree with

875
01:06:51.119 --> 01:06:58.599
Steve on that point. Like his
Meats article was an attack on specialization,

876
01:06:59.280 --> 01:07:00.760
right, and I I mean you
could say, actually, things are going

877
01:07:00.800 --> 01:07:05.559
to get more specialized with it might
be that we lived through this unusual period

878
01:07:05.599 --> 01:07:11.320
of real openness of high jucation to
large number of students. I think the

879
01:07:11.360 --> 01:07:16.559
statistic he gave was more than twenty
five percent now of the American workforce has

880
01:07:16.599 --> 01:07:21.119
gone to college, which is extraordinarily
high. But maybe that's going to come

881
01:07:21.159 --> 01:07:26.719
to a close because now the specialization
required to you know, do better than

882
01:07:26.719 --> 01:07:30.559
AI is going to actually evolve a
very small number of people. So that's

883
01:07:30.599 --> 01:07:34.119
one. And then the thing I
think is we've talked about this before.

884
01:07:34.199 --> 01:07:38.639
I think is you know, universities
really have two functions. One is research

885
01:07:38.679 --> 01:07:43.639
and then one is teaching. And
I still see a replacement for universities as

886
01:07:43.840 --> 01:07:45.639
you know, sort of the greatest
source, at least in our society of

887
01:07:45.719 --> 01:07:50.679
the you know, sort of research, collection, dissemination of information that if

888
01:07:50.679 --> 01:07:57.119
this whole revolution is about information as
manipulation, I mean, universities still are

889
01:07:57.159 --> 01:08:00.920
the greatest place to do that where
they're imperfect, well mean sense. That's

890
01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:03.199
why all the countries, other countries
in the world, we still have the

891
01:08:03.199 --> 01:08:08.440
best universities, and they're all trying
to copy our system because they observe us

892
01:08:08.480 --> 01:08:13.639
and they see we have these centers
of the production of information, which then

893
01:08:13.719 --> 01:08:17.600
leads to things like Silicon Valley and
leads to all these great companies and innovations.

894
01:08:18.159 --> 01:08:21.720
I don't see where we're going to
reply, how that's going to disappear

895
01:08:21.760 --> 01:08:28.399
and be replaced by something else.
Let me mention one story from Harvard in

896
01:08:28.439 --> 01:08:30.840
the forties. I think it was
James Conant was the president. And it

897
01:08:30.880 --> 01:08:33.800
doesn't matter is when they did the
Red Book about what Harvard to do in

898
01:08:33.840 --> 01:08:36.800
the post war world when you're going
to have more people going to college,

899
01:08:38.600 --> 01:08:41.960
and the president I think was Conant
said, you know, we may have

900
01:08:41.960 --> 01:08:46.640
made a mistake copying the German research
university model, because we are going to

901
01:08:46.680 --> 01:08:50.399
be bad at doing liberal education with
students. And he said, maybe what

902
01:08:50.479 --> 01:08:55.319
Harvard ought to do is have two
faculties. We ought to have a research

903
01:08:55.399 --> 01:09:00.000
faculty dedicated to you know, Jerry
new knowledge and all the intensive research stuff,

904
01:09:00.279 --> 01:09:03.880
and a teaching faculty to teach students
what they need to be taught and

905
01:09:03.920 --> 01:09:15.560
what they ought to be taught.
My university does. The problem is they

906
01:09:15.600 --> 01:09:18.920
didn't care about teaching. Well,
that's just it. Okay, So let

907
01:09:18.960 --> 01:09:21.520
me throw just a little other quick
thing, and because Steve's going to make

908
01:09:21.520 --> 01:09:26.760
me stop here soon. But I
read two interesting stories this week, and

909
01:09:26.800 --> 01:09:29.800
I want to know how you guys
think this fits. The first one was

910
01:09:30.319 --> 01:09:35.520
that there was a resurgence mostly in
private schools, but in some smaller adaptable

911
01:09:35.600 --> 01:09:43.840
shall we say, public school systems
where they're teaching the classics again New Yorker.

912
01:09:43.880 --> 01:09:46.800
But yeah, okay, but there
was actually a positive story that I

913
01:09:46.840 --> 01:09:50.479
saw this week Financial Times did it, yes, yeah. And so then

914
01:09:50.880 --> 01:09:55.239
the other story I just saw today
but I actually didn't have time to read

915
01:09:55.279 --> 01:10:00.920
it, but it was the civilizational
crisis that will look her because we are

916
01:10:00.960 --> 01:10:10.800
no longer training or producing plumbers.
A right, yeah, uh, you

917
01:10:10.880 --> 01:10:14.520
know I have. I'll tell you
that one of the greatest things about living

918
01:10:14.600 --> 01:10:16.760
in this small community that I live
in is that we have a plumber,

919
01:10:17.159 --> 01:10:24.760
young guy inherited dad's business, who's
just awesome, incredible. But I mean

920
01:10:24.760 --> 01:10:29.560
that's huge because everybody has plumbing problems
and this guy, you know, he

921
01:10:29.760 --> 01:10:31.039
likes us. He likes to shoot, so that's why, you know,

922
01:10:31.399 --> 01:10:35.000
but he's it's like six months to
get that guy to come out to your

923
01:10:35.000 --> 01:10:39.359
house unless that you pay the emergency
things and he comes at midnight sort of

924
01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:45.720
fixing bullet holes and your plumbing.
No, but but he did put this

925
01:10:45.720 --> 01:10:50.840
this water filtration system in next to
one of the one of the guns safes,

926
01:10:50.840 --> 01:10:57.800
and it's beautiful. It's well,
no, I didn't say, we

927
01:10:57.880 --> 01:11:00.479
shot the thing. But but then
it always ends up with he has to

928
01:11:00.520 --> 01:11:03.039
look at this gun and that gun, you know, and it's it's it's

929
01:11:03.079 --> 01:11:06.720
all good. But anyway, my
point is it's all lead. It's all

930
01:11:06.920 --> 01:11:15.399
just didn't you know John led he
said lead? Does he not know,

931
01:11:15.520 --> 01:11:18.199
Steve, No, because you know
what it led would lead to a discussion

932
01:11:18.239 --> 01:11:24.960
of a certain statute we're not allowed
to discuss on this podcast, but you

933
01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:27.560
know, look, I think I
know we're wanting to. I think the

934
01:11:27.600 --> 01:11:31.720
most important story of the week was
the important news that McDonald's is soon going

935
01:11:31.800 --> 01:11:38.119
to sell Crispy cream donuts, that
all the other fast food chains out of

936
01:11:38.119 --> 01:11:43.439
business. I mean from the Holy
Alliance. I've always wondered why McDonald's has

937
01:11:43.439 --> 01:11:46.479
not just not put a stake through
Starbucks. They already like mccoffee is not

938
01:11:46.520 --> 01:11:50.239
bad. Actually I get coffee with
McDonald's. They do all the funny drinks.

939
01:11:50.239 --> 01:11:55.119
Actually, all you need is just
a computerized ais the machine you don't

940
01:11:55.119 --> 01:11:58.479
actually need. So all they got
to do is add like good pastries,

941
01:11:58.520 --> 01:12:01.239
and Starbucks is going to be running
for their lives. Yeah, Starbucks does

942
01:12:01.279 --> 01:12:05.920
not have good pastries. Those things
are are Oh, they're like eight months

943
01:12:05.960 --> 01:12:11.000
old before they even get to the
store. And anyway, I'd probably eat

944
01:12:11.079 --> 01:12:14.640
Christy Krispy Kreams before I eat Starbucks. But I bet I haven't had a

945
01:12:14.720 --> 01:12:18.439
Krispy Kreme donut in ten years?
Are they good? Still? I haven't

946
01:12:18.439 --> 01:12:21.199
had one long time either, but
I may start soon. But I mean,

947
01:12:21.239 --> 01:12:25.199
look, I mean the fun part
of this is, uh, you

948
01:12:25.239 --> 01:12:29.159
know who's that. There's a filmmaker
who did the show supersized me about how

949
01:12:29.159 --> 01:12:31.920
he got fat eating McDonald's because he's
an idiot, and you know, McDonald's

950
01:12:31.920 --> 01:12:34.159
didn't blink and a high respond to
it. And now the inter of you

951
01:12:34.359 --> 01:12:38.359
is, oh, you got fat
in our big mets have some Krispy cream

952
01:12:38.439 --> 01:12:45.960
donuts. Corps our responses. We
now have a double big mech you got

953
01:12:46.039 --> 01:12:49.520
Oh, You're gonna take a big
mac apart and put a donut in the

954
01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:56.000
middle of it. Yeah, okay, big mac flavored donuts. You never

955
01:12:56.039 --> 01:12:59.119
know. It used to be a
place that I like to frequent back in

956
01:12:59.319 --> 01:13:02.399
California. That was a It was
a Chinese place and at noon it was

957
01:13:02.479 --> 01:13:06.640
Chinese food, but in the morning
it was donuts. Yeah, and the

958
01:13:06.720 --> 01:13:16.279
donuts tasted like Chinese because they Okay, all right, enough that we didn't

959
01:13:16.319 --> 01:13:21.399
talk about p Diddy because actually I
refuse to read anything about that story.

960
01:13:23.680 --> 01:13:27.760
I don't I refuse, but I'm
just from the Babylon b I'm getting a

961
01:13:27.760 --> 01:13:30.840
sense of it. So I'm gonna
give you just a couple did he hired

962
01:13:30.840 --> 01:13:38.119
his new president of Nickelodeon studios starting
to wonder if Ditty may have done a

963
01:13:38.119 --> 01:13:45.199
few of those things he repeatedly wrapped
about doing. Sorry, okay, boot

964
01:13:45.239 --> 01:13:51.800
A Gedge. How do you say
that guy's name? You know the nationality

965
01:13:51.800 --> 01:13:58.680
of that last name. No,
I believe it's Maltese. Really like the

966
01:13:58.720 --> 01:14:04.760
Falcon. Yeah, well he looks
more like he descended from Alfred y Newman's

967
01:14:06.359 --> 01:14:12.840
Buddha. J Edge praises cargo ship
for helping dismantle racism in Amsterdam Rhodes.

968
01:14:13.600 --> 01:14:17.960
Because we didn't talk about that either. Everybody knows about that catastrophe in Baltimore.

969
01:14:18.399 --> 01:14:21.359
Yeah, it was actually very said. In bold speech, Biden calls

970
01:14:21.399 --> 01:14:30.399
on ships to stop crashing into bridges. Sorry, this is a little bit

971
01:14:30.439 --> 01:14:33.600
old, but it's good since we
didn't talk about this either. Kamala warns

972
01:14:33.680 --> 01:14:45.159
Israel not to violate San Francisco City
Council's ceasefire degree. That's true. Yeah,

973
01:14:45.199 --> 01:14:48.640
and one final one, Steve,
we might have to put this on

974
01:14:49.680 --> 01:14:55.520
the in the show notes. Sorry, my dogs were crazy in Last Ditch

975
01:14:55.880 --> 01:15:00.159
because of the picture. In last
Ditch attempt to save job, Ronald McDaniel

976
01:15:00.079 --> 01:15:03.760
gets lesbian haircut. I did see
that picture, Yes, right, you

977
01:15:03.800 --> 01:15:06.800
saw the picture. Yeah, I
thought that was her real hair. I

978
01:15:06.880 --> 01:15:12.000
was taken aback. Oh wait,
one last one? Oh wait no,

979
01:15:12.119 --> 01:15:19.079
that must have been one of the
power line pornographic ads. Okay, one

980
01:15:19.159 --> 01:15:25.039
last one because of you know,
our discussion of squatter's rights. Uh desantus

981
01:15:25.119 --> 01:15:30.119
kicked out a Republican party for accomplishing
too many things. That pulls together all

982
01:15:30.159 --> 01:15:33.159
of our themes for tonight, doesn't
it? All right? All right?

983
01:15:33.199 --> 01:15:38.720
Send us out? John word Way
long, always drink your whiskey me let's

984
01:15:38.720 --> 01:15:43.439
go, Brandon and Steve. God
save the Queen and the Duchess of Wales.

985
01:15:44.239 --> 01:16:28.359
Ma'am that what she is? I
think so? Yes? Ricochet,

986
01:16:30.039 --> 01:16:30.039
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