WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:08.640 It's time for coffee and company, fueled by Thornton's on Sports Talk seven nine 2 00:00:08.720 --> 00:00:27.960 day. Now, here's Nick coffee. All right, we're here. It's 3 00:00:28.000 --> 00:00:31.640 five o'clock on a Friday. Let's finish strong as we wrap up the week. 4 00:00:32.399 --> 00:00:36.799 A little delayed there, apologies before I turned the microphone on and got 5 00:00:36.880 --> 00:00:43.840 us started here, because I'm just I am distracted by everyone's reaction to Officer 6 00:00:44.119 --> 00:00:51.520 Brian Gillis who I mean. My hesitation there is because I don't want to. 7 00:00:51.799 --> 00:00:55.200 I don't know the guy personally. I've never been a law enforcement officer, 8 00:00:55.240 --> 00:00:58.840 and I'm sure there are some things that are very frightening because of past 9 00:00:58.880 --> 00:01:02.759 experiences. But I have a hard time not thinking this guy's like the ultimate 10 00:01:02.799 --> 00:01:07.400 clown. Because every step of the way there has been any kind of an 11 00:01:07.439 --> 00:01:14.760 update, it proves that this was an emotional police officer who is either just 12 00:01:14.840 --> 00:01:23.599 really soft or just wanted to abuse his authority and turn something into a big, 13 00:01:23.640 --> 00:01:27.120 big deal, including a felony charge that didn't need to happen at all. 14 00:01:30.079 --> 00:01:33.680 I mean, for those who haven't seen it, the pictures have come 15 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:37.280 out today, So yes, he still claimed even after the charges were dropped 16 00:01:37.799 --> 00:01:44.799 and there were witnesses who told both the county attorney and Scottie Scheffler's attorney that 17 00:01:44.920 --> 00:01:48.239 they saw it no video, They didn't have a body cam, of course, 18 00:01:48.280 --> 00:01:52.319 and they didn't have a camera running, but they watched everything step by 19 00:01:52.319 --> 00:01:56.439 step throughout the entire encounter and that he was not dragged. That didn't happen. 20 00:01:57.159 --> 00:02:00.680 And if it did, even if it was a misunderstanding, Scotti Scheffler 21 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:04.640 would probably have a tough time not having charges dropped. And I can't sit 22 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:07.439 here and tell you that it would need to be dropped, like if that 23 00:02:07.480 --> 00:02:10.800 happened, even if it's misunderstanding, you can't drive ten to fifteen yards dragging 24 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:15.400 a police officer, which is what Brian Gillis claimed. But that just didn't 25 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:21.560 happen. And now we've seen the pictures of his injuries. He's got two 26 00:02:21.560 --> 00:02:24.039 little booboos, one on his knee and one on his and I was clearly 27 00:02:24.080 --> 00:02:28.520 trying to make you know, a poor joke by calling them booboos last week, 28 00:02:28.560 --> 00:02:31.199 and he got his feelings hurt. And that is evidently exactly what happened, 29 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:37.520 because the little bitty cut on his knee and a little I guess it's 30 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:38.960 not a cut, but it I mean, you just put a band aid 31 00:02:39.039 --> 00:02:42.479 on it like it's nothing. Crazy on his arm and then he has a 32 00:02:42.520 --> 00:02:46.199 little hole in his pants. I mean, imagine calling nine to one one 33 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:51.719 and them showing up and you showing that to them. They might call the 34 00:02:51.759 --> 00:02:57.879 cops on you for abusing resources of first responders. I mean, I'm sure 35 00:02:57.879 --> 00:03:00.919 that's not a charge in you know, worded that way. But I mean, 36 00:03:01.759 --> 00:03:07.599 this guy continues to look like an absolute clown. Don't know him personally, 37 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:12.280 maybe he's a nice man, but this situation, along with other things 38 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:15.000 he's been in trouble for as a law enforcement officer, I mean, it's 39 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:19.159 hard for me to not think he's a clown. But my goodness, I 40 00:03:19.199 --> 00:03:23.199 mean, if you haven't seen it, they're all I mean, I'm about 41 00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:25.840 to tweet it out again. Pictures of the knee, the arm, and 42 00:03:25.879 --> 00:03:35.840 the pants, and it's crazy but consistent. I mean every step it's Scotti. 43 00:03:35.879 --> 00:03:43.520 Scheffler has been professional, understanding, apologetic to an extent, and not 44 00:03:43.639 --> 00:03:46.000 holding a grudge despite him being in a situation that just didn't need to happen. 45 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:47.879 I don't know if i'd say, I mean, I guess he is 46 00:03:47.879 --> 00:03:52.280 a victim, to be honest with you, because that was someone just deciding 47 00:03:52.319 --> 00:03:58.479 to overcharge and escalate something on paper, right when you look at the charges, 48 00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:00.319 you look at the mug shot, and he was in for it didn't 49 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:02.520 add up at all to what actually happened. So I guess he is a 50 00:04:02.599 --> 00:04:08.120 victim in that way. But I mean it's I mean, this guy got 51 00:04:08.120 --> 00:04:13.599 his feelings, hurt, got emotional, and I feel like if emotion and 52 00:04:13.639 --> 00:04:15.639 look, emotions are on high, emotions are a human reaction that's always going 53 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:18.600 to be there. But I feel like if you're cop, you need to 54 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:24.839 have the ability to keep things in check because you know there are people who 55 00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:30.040 will do a lot worse than what Scotty Scheffler did intentionally actually to you, 56 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:32.360 and if you get worked up, like you know, like that's probably not 57 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:36.639 what you're supposed to do in that position. But here's some of the audios, 58 00:04:36.639 --> 00:04:43.199 so for those who missed it, the body camera of Officer Gillis was 59 00:04:43.199 --> 00:04:46.279 turned on after the incident and there's audio from that. In fact, I 60 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:49.160 just found another clip that I guess Whas eleven put out there that I hadn't 61 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:55.360 seen yet. That is somebody's body cam who shows Scotty Scheffler actually realizing he's 62 00:04:55.360 --> 00:04:58.279 about to be arrested. You can hear some concern from him. But this 63 00:04:58.360 --> 00:05:03.800 is Brian Gillis being approached by another officer after after the situation, and this 64 00:05:03.839 --> 00:05:11.279 is what he had to say. They want to talk to you whom, 65 00:05:11.839 --> 00:05:16.480 Yeah you are. I'm pissed. My pants are ripped. I have this 66 00:05:17.399 --> 00:05:21.639 scrape on my knee and my wrist and then to see what it is, 67 00:05:21.680 --> 00:05:27.240 I mean like it's I don't want to say that that felt good. But 68 00:05:27.959 --> 00:05:31.240 man, imagine like if he really got hurt on the job. It's like 69 00:05:31.399 --> 00:05:33.800 he went around everybody else. We already had a line of them trying to 70 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:36.680 come in, and he decided he's going to be recording. No, wasn't 71 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:41.680 at a time was it wasn't expecting to run over. Wasn't expecting to be 72 00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:45.839 run over. Well, you weren't run over. But I think he believes 73 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:49.519 he was rent run over. I think he believes that the way he shared 74 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:59.879 what happened is actually what happened. I really do. I mean, for 75 00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:03.639 are you are you the one that I mean my wrist, my angle, 76 00:06:03.839 --> 00:06:11.399 my knee and like rip like hands I'm directing traffic, it says police army. 77 00:06:11.959 --> 00:06:23.439 I mean insane, insane. All right, this is the this is 78 00:06:23.519 --> 00:06:28.480 the let's see here, let me see this is the let me see if 79 00:06:28.519 --> 00:06:30.319 I can find this sound here, I'll track it down in just a second, 80 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:34.879 because I mean it. You know what Scottie Scheffler said after the fact 81 00:06:34.959 --> 00:06:40.839 in regards to misunderstanding, didn't know he was law enforcement. You know, 82 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:43.639 I was trying to get around one cop. I guess had told him that 83 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:46.319 he could go like that, that even if he was mistaken, and it 84 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:48.040 wasn't misunderstanding. And he's clearly at fault for some of that, and I 85 00:06:48.040 --> 00:06:50.759 think he's acknowledged that. As far as just you know, the mix up. 86 00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:56.639 I feel like he has been consistent since day one, and you know, 87 00:06:56.680 --> 00:06:58.600 to me, just seems like it turned into something it didn't need to 88 00:06:58.639 --> 00:07:00.040 be. But that's, you know, that's the way. I all right, 89 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:03.560 let's switch gears here and bring on a special guest. He's doctor Larry 90 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:10.040 Bins from pro Rea Physical Therapy. How are we doing, Larry? Can 91 00:07:10.040 --> 00:07:14.720 you hear me? Hello? Huh oh, I've got him potted up here. 92 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:16.040 I can't hear him for some reason. Okay, Yeah, I love 93 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:21.000 yeh, let's see here. We got it all right. Sorry, Larry, 94 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:24.240 we having some phone issues. We're having some phone issues this afternoon. 95 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:26.920 Can you hear us, sir? I can hear you, yes, Yeah, 96 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:30.639 sorry about that all right. Well, first of all, how you've 97 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:32.079 been been a couple weeks since we talked. I was on vacation, long 98 00:07:32.120 --> 00:07:35.920 time note chat. How we've been. Yeah, everything is going really well. 99 00:07:35.959 --> 00:07:40.240 You know, we've had we went right from you know, pretty much 100 00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:44.639 an absent spring with a lot of rain into into some hotter weather and so 101 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:46.839 getting a lot of seeing a lot of early heat injuries that we're concerned with. 102 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:50.759 People need to just continue to drink water and solve all those things. 103 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:54.839 But it's been a good everything's been good so far. Yeah. I think 104 00:07:54.839 --> 00:07:58.000 earlier this week with the humidity, and most of it was because we had 105 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:00.800 some some storms here and there. But yeah, earlier this week it felt 106 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:03.160 like, Okay, here we go the hot weather, the humidity is here. 107 00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:05.120 We're gonna have to be gonna have to be mindful of it. I 108 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:07.279 think, yeah, we had, you know, a pretty pleasant spring overall, 109 00:08:07.279 --> 00:08:09.720 but that summer heat is here, no doubt. Now. One of 110 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:11.600 the things I wanted to ask you about Larry Is. I don't know how 111 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:16.079 much you follow boxing, but I know you're very familiar with Mike Tyson. 112 00:08:16.480 --> 00:08:22.319 He was set to have a match this summer with one of the Paul brothers, 113 00:08:22.319 --> 00:08:26.240 who has turned himself into a very rich man because of these fights that 114 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:28.040 he puts on a really good promoter. I know some people have thoughts on 115 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:31.399 how good he actually is as a boxer, but either way, people tune 116 00:08:31.440 --> 00:08:35.240 in and watch and they're making a lot of money and Mike Tyson was going 117 00:08:35.279 --> 00:08:37.519 to be a part of that. But the fight has been postponed due to 118 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:43.519 ulcers that Mike Tyson is dealing with, you know how calm, and I 119 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:46.080 could be wrong. I feel like that's not something you hear of athletes dealing 120 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:50.600 with a whole lot rather really in any sport, but serious enough for them 121 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:54.440 to hit pause here and let him get healed up before they actually have this 122 00:08:54.519 --> 00:08:58.240 fight. Yeah. No, this has been an interesting thing to follow, 123 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:01.600 and I love boxing, by the way, and one of the things I 124 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:03.960 notice is, you know, he's fifty seven years old trying to fight a 125 00:09:05.039 --> 00:09:07.120 twenty seven year old, and that was part of the instead. As part 126 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:11.039 of the booking and the events and leading up to it. But all these 127 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:13.080 fights are legit. I mean, you remember a few years ago with Kinder 128 00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:16.240 Grigor and you know, things going on, so that was very legitimate fight. 129 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:22.440 He was training pretty different, you know, pretty strenuous and doing well. 130 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:24.480 Then he was on a very short American Airlines flight. I think this 131 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:26.840 is right, you know, just a few weeks ago at the end of 132 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:31.279 May, and he had a bad bout of you know, dizziness and vomiting 133 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:35.600 and basia and all kinds of things going on, and then got diagnosed with 134 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:39.559 an ulcer. What's interesting though, is he never really released it publicly as 135 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:43.960 the type of ulcer that it is. It sounds like it's a peptic ulcer, 136 00:09:43.480 --> 00:09:46.600 which is a type to get you know, around the lining of the 137 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:52.000 abdominal wall and cobb all kinds of discomfort. I think those who followed music 138 00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:56.440 and when Bruce Springsteen had to cancel his tour about a year ago, that 139 00:09:56.519 --> 00:10:00.960 was the same phenomenon that happened. So it it's definitely at risk for those 140 00:10:00.960 --> 00:10:05.120 who are getting a little bit you know older. The other aspect of this 141 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:07.519 is it could be you know, the other type of ulcer that it is. 142 00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:11.799 It's just a preforation and having so think of having open soores on your 143 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:16.480 skin, well, imagine that being in the lining of your stomach. And 144 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:18.200 if those things, you know, sort of burst, that can be really 145 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:22.759 really dangerous. I mean, you have to respect them. The traditional school 146 00:10:22.759 --> 00:10:26.279 of thought is to wait four to six weeks, you know, and avoid 147 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:30.639 any kind of training. And it's hard to sell these guys down, all 148 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:33.600 those boxers if you look traditionally, they've always had this notion of you know, 149 00:10:33.639 --> 00:10:37.159 they train, they fight. You know, they get overweight, They 150 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:39.080 train, they fight, and they get overweight. And you know, Tyson 151 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:43.559 hasn't fought in years. So I don't know if he's going to come back 152 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:48.559 from it. I mean, I guess it'll depend on the type of pain 153 00:10:48.639 --> 00:10:50.440 he has or lack of it. If he comes back, I certainly hope. 154 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:54.120 So I think that anytime we can get an older athlete who trains like 155 00:10:54.200 --> 00:11:00.759 crazy and hopefully performs pretty well, it could be a pretty really good entertainment, 156 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:03.840 no doubt. And Mike Tyson, you know, despite him him getting 157 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:05.200 up there in age, I mean, he is still somebody that I feel 158 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:09.759 like, even if it wasn't one of the Paul Brothers, who certainly developed 159 00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:13.960 a big following. He's still someone meeting Mike Tyson that people would tune in 160 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:16.759 to watch because he's Iron Mike. He's Mike Tyson, one of the one 161 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:18.720 of the all time greats. What is the you know, what is the 162 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:22.360 typical pro like when it comes to him healing here? Is it just resting? 163 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:26.639 Is it just completely taking time down to just kind of you know, 164 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:28.320 let it heal on its own? I mean, is there a specific process 165 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:33.519 to you know, to to to get over this. Yeah, it's a 166 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:35.720 combination of things, but rush is certainly part of it. A lot of 167 00:11:35.720 --> 00:11:41.200 times they do antibiotics on this. There's some theory around ulcers being you know, 168 00:11:41.240 --> 00:11:46.759 really effectively like infections, and so they've been treating them. They're tricky 169 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:50.879 things. You know, stress can cause you to have increased pain and discomfort 170 00:11:50.919 --> 00:11:56.320 that could exacerbate or make worse in ulster. But yes, it is that 171 00:11:56.440 --> 00:11:58.840 you know, as you well know, there's all kinds of over the counter 172 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:01.519 stuff or when you're stomach pain that could be more of the peptic you know 173 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:05.480 types of type of ulcer, which is the lining and we'll see it's kind 174 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:09.639 of a wait and see game for sure a good portion of the time, 175 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:13.159 and he certainly doesn't at least by all news reports suggests that he's got a 176 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:18.000 long history of this. It should resolve, but he has to be a 177 00:12:18.039 --> 00:12:22.279 patient, and that patience is you know, four weeks to you know, 178 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:26.000 call it a couple of months and then what happens, you know, do 179 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:28.080 you back as your training set you back a bit. I think they actually 180 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:31.799 maybe even rescheduled this fight. Yeah, I think it's going to be in 181 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:35.240 November. Maybe. Yeah, I think that's right, And that's a good 182 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:39.919 sign. He's he's obviously, you know, going to be treated effectively for 183 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:43.080 it. He can, he can afford it. But you know, there's 184 00:12:43.120 --> 00:12:50.600 a lot of there's a lot of speculation around oh yeah, exactly. And 185 00:12:50.879 --> 00:12:54.480 you know, was he on too many you know, anti inflammatory drugs like 186 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:56.720 ibuprofen and add bill and those kind of things. But you know, he 187 00:12:56.799 --> 00:13:01.600 certainly doesn't have a history of you know, abuse as far as some of 188 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:03.960 these other things go. He's a fascinating character, as you all know. 189 00:13:05.159 --> 00:13:09.159 Absolutely. Yes, he's been a stand up comedian, he's been an actor, 190 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:13.039 he's been a little bit of everything. I remember when he came to 191 00:13:13.080 --> 00:13:16.679 Louisville several years ago when he was promoting the fight that you know eventually was 192 00:13:16.519 --> 00:13:20.039 one of his first big down palls where he got knocked out, you know, 193 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:26.279 here in Louisville. And he was just so well regarded by everybody around 194 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:28.000 town who just wanted to be near him and see him, and I mean 195 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:33.440 Iron Mike as a persona and a branding that is amongst the most unique characters 196 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:37.039 of history in boxing. I was a little bit younger when that happened, 197 00:13:37.039 --> 00:13:39.840 but I certainly remember it because even though I wasn't exposed to a lot of 198 00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:43.919 boxing growing up, when Mike Tyson is going to be fighting in Louisville, 199 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:46.600 it's a big deal at that time. Was he still I mean again, 200 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:50.559 I feel like even as a younger kid, that was a big big deal 201 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:54.559 around here to have that event. It was a big deal because we hadn't 202 00:13:54.679 --> 00:13:58.200 hosted boxing in years and it was Iron Mike. Yeah, and he stayed 203 00:13:58.240 --> 00:14:01.879 at the Gold House. He had birds in his hotel room. If you 204 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:07.840 remember he heard yeah we did. I think he was over at the old 205 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:11.159 Automate hospital with that knee injury is a very legitimate knee injury that he had 206 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:15.320 during the fight, which you know was probably the reason he got backed out, 207 00:14:15.879 --> 00:14:18.960 but it was it was great entertainment. It was great having him in 208 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:20.559 town. I think a lot of people over the years, at least this 209 00:14:20.679 --> 00:14:24.639 is my perspective, have been, you know, could been confused because he 210 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:30.120 does have a little bit of a speech disability, and they conflate that with 211 00:14:30.279 --> 00:14:31.759 well, maybe he's not the smartest guy in the world. I remember seeing 212 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:37.039 him in interviews where he just could recite boxing history like no other. And 213 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:41.000 he might not have had the formal education growing up, but he is a 214 00:14:41.159 --> 00:14:45.279 very astute and he's taken his career in directions that the people you know, 215 00:14:45.799 --> 00:14:48.000 never thought of. Now, on the other hand, he was a convicted 216 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:50.279 fellaon right. I mean, he was sure he was in jail and everything 217 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:54.120 else, which sort of adds to the lore of this whole whole story. 218 00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:56.679 It really does. And I'm glad you said that, because I think there 219 00:14:56.679 --> 00:15:01.879 are some athletes that, you know, they do things that a lot of 220 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:05.360 us have never done as far as you know, committing a crime, a 221 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:09.320 felony, but whenever it all plays out publicly, you know, it makes 222 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:13.279 them relatable because again, there are issues, their mistakes may be a lot 223 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:16.559 different than ours, but I think it adds a level of relatability. Like 224 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:18.960 John Day, to me, is a really fascinating character, and he's also 225 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:22.039 a phenomenal athlete, a really good golfer. But you know, he had 226 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:26.960 his issues that kind of all played out in front of the public to where 227 00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:30.000 I just feel like it's hard for people to dislike him. Same thing with 228 00:15:30.039 --> 00:15:31.360 Mike Tyson. Obviously, there's some things he's been involved in that I think 229 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:35.039 most people wouldn't condone or speak highly of. But I think he's kind of 230 00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:39.440 turned into somebody that a lot of people find themselves pulling for and find him 231 00:15:39.519 --> 00:15:43.480 entertaining too. That's exactly right. And he did serve his time. I 232 00:15:43.519 --> 00:15:46.679 mean he did serve a sentence. He was on probation for a very long 233 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:50.320 time. He was a very wealthy man as he exited prison, and to 234 00:15:50.399 --> 00:15:54.720 my knowledge, really hasn't been in any serious trouble since. All Right, 235 00:15:54.799 --> 00:15:58.679 Larry, were you a fan of Bill Walton? Absolutely. I've got a 236 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:03.159 great picture at the Texas Roadhouse conference from several years ago. I served as 237 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:07.559 sort of a co host for him as he did an incredible speech at that 238 00:16:07.679 --> 00:16:11.960 conference in San Diego where he lived. Now, I'm jealous that you got 239 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:15.320 to meet him, because I'm a Bill Walton super fan, and I feel 240 00:16:15.320 --> 00:16:18.039 like I can't Now. I feel like I'm a fraud by claiming that because 241 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:21.240 I knew he had injuries throughout his career, but I got to admit I 242 00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:25.240 did not know the severity of it to where he missed, I mean sixty 243 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:30.080 percent of his games in the NBA due to various injuries with his foot, 244 00:16:30.399 --> 00:16:33.159 his ankle. I mean he had thirty seven orthopedic surgeries in his lifetime. 245 00:16:33.159 --> 00:16:37.919 I mean that is that's unbelievable now, that is. And I engaged in 246 00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:41.639 all kinds of conversations with him about physical therapy. He also had been you 247 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:47.039 know, he played on the Celtics with local legend Rick Roby from you know, 248 00:16:47.200 --> 00:16:51.399 right Kentucky, and so he wanted to get caught up as to what 249 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:53.080 was going on in his life. He was just an incredibly engaging man, 250 00:16:53.120 --> 00:16:59.120 and anybody who's watched in these recent days any of his YouTube you snippets from 251 00:16:59.399 --> 00:17:03.480 his talk, he just had a way of communicating and memorizing a lot of 252 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:07.799 John Wooden material that really was motivating and I highly recommend you know his book, 253 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:15.480 his autobiography. Yeah, I thought the way he's been discussed here locally. 254 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:18.799 The Celtics had a really awesome tribute to him last night before the game. 255 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:22.720 And yeah, I was unaware that he had that he that he was 256 00:17:22.759 --> 00:17:25.599 going through. I mean I didn't I didn't know he had cancer. And 257 00:17:25.640 --> 00:17:30.759 I think there's something about especially celebrities, who can be dealing with that. 258 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:33.119 And I'm sure it's not private to everyone. I'm sure they're close friends and 259 00:17:33.160 --> 00:17:37.119 loved ones are aware and they want to keep things private for certain reasons. 260 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:40.759 But I think there's a level of selflessness whenever you clearly, I think Bill 261 00:17:40.799 --> 00:17:42.720 Walt knew that if he made it public that he was going through something like 262 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:45.200 that that was going to take his life at some point, there'd be an 263 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:49.599 overwhelming amount of support and love for him. But you know, he decided 264 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:52.400 he didn't want to do that, and I just think, again, that's 265 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:56.759 a really selfless thing. No. Absolutely, As you said, there's many 266 00:17:56.759 --> 00:18:00.200 who want to be in the public light on that. His privacy was well 267 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:04.640 respected and it was that's why for so many of us, myself included, 268 00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:10.160 it was shocking to hear that you've been lost because he just you know, 269 00:18:10.240 --> 00:18:14.079 in any public, you know, venue, whether he was given a speech 270 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:17.359 or being interviewed, he was just so full of life. Yeah, I'm 271 00:18:17.559 --> 00:18:21.640 I'm a big Bill Walton fan and really jealous. I've never got a chance 272 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:25.519 to meet him, but anybody who has shares similar, similar vibes from the 273 00:18:25.519 --> 00:18:29.519 conversation and the experience, very very kind and would talk to you know, 274 00:18:29.759 --> 00:18:32.799 he would talk to probably a former NBA player the same way he talked to 275 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:34.200 a stranger who never played the game, just because he would give you. 276 00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:37.839 He'd give you his time and listen to you. So yeah, he'll be 277 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:41.839 missed, no doubt about that. All Right. I wanted to I want 278 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:45.039 to switch gears here real quick and talk about basketball, because Louisville basketball obviously 279 00:18:45.079 --> 00:18:48.240 has had a phenomenal first first couple of months here with Pat Kelsey putting together 280 00:18:48.279 --> 00:18:52.000 a roster that not just Louisville fans can be excited about. I think objectively, 281 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:56.759 those that cover college basketball are looking at the personnel that has been added 282 00:18:56.759 --> 00:18:57.720 here and this team could be pretty good. I mean, I think this 283 00:18:57.799 --> 00:19:00.079 is a tournament caliber team. But they have a couple of guys that have 284 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:04.319 joined the program that are expected a red shirt, and one of them is 285 00:19:04.440 --> 00:19:10.000 Ali Khalifa from BYU, who the plan is to red shirt. But he's 286 00:19:10.039 --> 00:19:14.160 already had his knee surgery, and I think now it's just him taking a 287 00:19:14.240 --> 00:19:18.279 year to get healthy, get in better shape. But is there a chance 288 00:19:18.319 --> 00:19:19.720 that if in fact that and again, you know, I'm not asking you 289 00:19:19.759 --> 00:19:22.599 to share any kind of inside info from the program, but is it. 290 00:19:22.640 --> 00:19:26.720 Has it happened before? I'm sure it has where a player expects to have 291 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:30.000 to has to red shirt, But then again, maybe their recovery, their 292 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:33.759 progress, their weight, you know, they're they're actually making good enough progress 293 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:36.200 to where they can say, okay, you know what, I'm able to 294 00:19:36.200 --> 00:19:38.079 play if you guys need me. I don't want to act like that that's 295 00:19:38.119 --> 00:19:41.839 for sure going to happen. But when I heard that he's already had his 296 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:45.000 surgery and now it's just a rehab thing, I'm kind of thinking maybe he 297 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:47.440 could, maybe he could make some progress to where we do see him on 298 00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:51.240 the on the floor next year. Yeah, he's had you know, he 299 00:19:51.240 --> 00:19:56.359 had this microfracture in his knee, and this is one of the more difficult 300 00:19:56.559 --> 00:20:00.559 injuries to treat. Because you know, you want to play and you want 301 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:04.640 to see him play, but it absolutely needed the surgery to help. You 302 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:07.200 know, Effectively, what they do is they set a new wound in there 303 00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:11.279 so you get new healing, and so he will absolutely be resting the entire 304 00:20:11.359 --> 00:20:17.519 year. I don't think there's any any uh anticipation by anybody of him coming 305 00:20:17.599 --> 00:20:19.680 back. I think the fact that we got him to begin with, I 306 00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:23.400 mean, we've already got between that and some other potential signees for the following 307 00:20:23.440 --> 00:20:26.400 year, you know, the beginnings of another class. I mean, this 308 00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:30.440 is a very unique situation. We had no class of players. I mean 309 00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:37.279 right, yeah, It's like where it's like we're an expansion team and you 310 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:41.920 have to give an enormous amount of credit to the five h two circle, 311 00:20:41.039 --> 00:20:45.599 for example, and to the you know, the hiring of Pat and to 312 00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:49.279 Josh here the athletic director. I mean, this is going to be a 313 00:20:49.400 --> 00:20:55.519 story that will be legendary, I think because the how with the house settlement 314 00:20:55.640 --> 00:20:59.400 Nancy double a beginning in twenty twenty five, although I personally hope it gets 315 00:20:59.400 --> 00:21:02.319 pushed back to twenty twenty six. You're going to start paying players and then 316 00:21:02.359 --> 00:21:07.079 it becomes money management, personnel management, but we were able to secure going 317 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:11.039 from what might be worse to first. I mean, I don't want to 318 00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:15.839 be overlygue xuberant either, and I'd be really happy for a top twenty five, 319 00:21:15.079 --> 00:21:18.279 you know, but it's gonna you know that plus our schedule, it's 320 00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:22.920 going to really put fans in seats. And we haven't had the type of 321 00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:27.240 revenues that we really need for basketball since literally two thousand, you know, 322 00:21:27.359 --> 00:21:32.839 late two thousand, so you know, well prior to you know, twenty 323 00:21:32.960 --> 00:21:36.920 twenty, and so we need those revenues to support the other sports and to 324 00:21:36.920 --> 00:21:40.440 be able to do you know, the revenue share, which is you know, 325 00:21:40.519 --> 00:21:45.000 approximately twenty two million starting in the fall of twenty twenty five. The 326 00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:48.119 only way we can do that is by winning. And so the investments in 327 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:52.160 NIL through the five or two circle and through what university has done through hiring 328 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:57.960 some just incredible coaches. I really do believe that the tightness of how the 329 00:21:59.039 --> 00:22:03.720 coaches work with our collective and with our athletic department in terms of events, 330 00:22:04.559 --> 00:22:07.759 it's got a lot of people excited. And you know, just surely the 331 00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:11.279 eyeball test, you know, the personnel side of it looks very very promising. 332 00:22:11.799 --> 00:22:15.759 Yeah, I think Pat Kelsey, obviously, his resume is impressive with 333 00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:19.079 what he did at Winthro up in College of Charleston and winning. You know, 334 00:22:19.160 --> 00:22:22.279 we'll see. I'm very confident that he'll win a lot of games here 335 00:22:22.279 --> 00:22:26.720 and be here for a long time. But I will say this just from 336 00:22:26.759 --> 00:22:30.000 a fans perspective, until you can actually go out there and win games, 337 00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:33.640 you know, you still need to be engaging, and you need to be 338 00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:38.079 kind of a showman and and really get people excited. And man, that's 339 00:22:38.079 --> 00:22:42.160 a box that Pat Kelsey checked from the very beginning. And look, he's 340 00:22:42.440 --> 00:22:45.119 he's got a resume, he's put together a good roster up to this point. 341 00:22:45.160 --> 00:22:48.839 But I mean right out of the gate, he came out and got 342 00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:51.920 people fired up, and that that matters, right. I know, if 343 00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:53.160 you don't win in the in the end, I guess it doesn't matter. 344 00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:56.200 But until you can actually get on the floor and produce results, if you're 345 00:22:56.240 --> 00:23:00.440 engaging the community, the fan base, getting him excited, willing to invest 346 00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:03.319 rather it be buying tickets, rather it be donating to the FABO two circle, 347 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:07.680 that kind of stuff matters. And you know, again I'm very optimistic 348 00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:10.640 that it's going to work out. But I really, I really now understand 349 00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:15.880 how important that dynamic was, that that specific criteria really really matters. And 350 00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:19.079 again, wins matter more than anything but the other stuff until you can actually 351 00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:23.920 coach. He's really really thriving in no, absolutely, and look at the 352 00:23:23.960 --> 00:23:27.960 staff that he put together. And you know, if you look at successful 353 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:32.799 coaches over a long period of time, they may have a down year in 354 00:23:32.880 --> 00:23:34.799 and out, but they tend to be successful coaches. And the one thing 355 00:23:34.839 --> 00:23:40.519 that really stood out about Pat Kelsey was that he had to do completely redo 356 00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:44.799 his roster last year at College of Charleston after having you know, the most 357 00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:48.559 unprecedented year the year before. Yeah that rarely gets mentioned, but you're spot 358 00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:51.920 on. Yeah, no, that's absolutely right. And so he had to 359 00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:57.400 harness the city of Charleston to help in their nil collective and put together from 360 00:23:57.440 --> 00:24:03.200 scratch or roster last year that was incredibly impressive and very successful. So I 361 00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:07.279 think the thing that impressed me most about him and his staff is this, 362 00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:11.119 you know the roster has come to being, is they didn't panic because they 363 00:24:11.119 --> 00:24:14.680 had already been through this learning curve and so they knew how to manage it 364 00:24:14.759 --> 00:24:18.680 and work you know, directly with the collective and have the support of the 365 00:24:18.680 --> 00:24:22.279 community and the fans and the department at the university at large. And so 366 00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:26.559 this is this is right now a w for the community and everybody. But 367 00:24:26.920 --> 00:24:29.880 as you say, we got to we got to have a convert to you 368 00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:32.839 know, on the court. Can't wait. And I am excited about the 369 00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:36.759 schedule. They've got their trip to the Bahamas and obviously adding Tennessee that's going 370 00:24:36.799 --> 00:24:38.839 to be a big time matchup. So yeah, it's exciting to be excited 371 00:24:38.839 --> 00:24:44.359 to get about Louislle hoops. I can tell you that Larry absolutely and football 372 00:24:44.440 --> 00:24:48.160 and that's right. You saw also they released the roster of Jeff Walls's team, 373 00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:49.759 and boy that looks impressive. We got what seven freshmen coming in. 374 00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:52.359 It's going to be a really really fun year at y'all. Good vibes, 375 00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:56.920 no doubt about it. Larry appreciate the time as always, go cards, 376 00:24:56.680 --> 00:25:00.599 absolutely, go cards, right, take care that is doctor Larry of Proria 377 00:25:00.640 --> 00:25:04.599 Physical Therapy. Always appreciate his time, good conversation and again I'm excited to 378 00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:07.720 be excited and look as a fan, even if things aren't going great, 379 00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:11.799 You'll find a way to get yourself excited because you want to be excited. 380 00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:15.079 But I had a hard time doing that the last couple of years with Louisville 381 00:25:15.079 --> 00:25:18.480 Hoops. And I know I'm not alone, but good vibes, no doubt 382 00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:19.799 quick Break will come back. Thirty minutes left before we get out of here 383 00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:23.000 for the weekend. It's coffee and company fueled by Thornton's on Sports Talk seven 384 00:25:23.079 --> 00:25:27.920 ninety. What if I told you, John that I had a gift for 385 00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:33.640 you before you head out of here for vacation. I don't really if, 386 00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:36.119 I don't know if you're being are you being serious? I don't know what 387 00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:40.240 you'd have. It's a gift. It's intrigued what is it? It's Kenny 388 00:25:40.279 --> 00:25:45.960 Payne. Sound oh. I mean, this is the first time I've heard 389 00:25:47.119 --> 00:25:52.480 Kenny Payne talk in any way since he did the press conference after the lost 390 00:25:52.480 --> 00:26:00.000 in the ACC tournament and really just you know, took a different took it 391 00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:04.279 to a different level as far as just deflecting and blaming everybody else and taking 392 00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:10.000 no accountability and you know, kind of playing the victim. And I remember 393 00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:11.759 that day, it was a wild day. We were on the air for 394 00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:14.480 I think five six hours, because we did the show, the game took 395 00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:18.319 place like during the show, and then we stayed on to do a postgame 396 00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:19.839 and we heard from him, and we knew it was gonna be the end, 397 00:26:19.880 --> 00:26:25.200 and I thought to myself, Okay, maybe he'll finally you know, 398 00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:32.039 maybe he'll finally acknowledge, you know, it's over, and he's he's upset 399 00:26:32.119 --> 00:26:37.119 that it happened, this and that. But anyway, then I realized, 400 00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:41.279 why did I expect him to do anything different. He's been consistent since Stay 401 00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:45.039 one, and he was consistent, and he continued to take no accountability, 402 00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:51.559 and he did a podcast interview with I guess the an Arkansas I mean, 403 00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:53.200 I guess it's an Arkansas pot. I don't know if it's like something that's 404 00:26:53.240 --> 00:26:57.400 like actually affiliated with Arkansas University or if it's just like a fan thing or 405 00:26:57.440 --> 00:27:02.480 whatever it is. But uh, yeah, he I mean, he's still 406 00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:07.599 being consistent. He's still is claiming that he did things right. And I'll 407 00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:11.319 let you guys hear it for yourself. And this doesn't like, this doesn't 408 00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:12.920 bring any anger out of me. This doesn't bother me at all. I 409 00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:18.559 mean, I'm you know, hearing it and experiencing it while he's still the 410 00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:22.359 coach here, and eventually you become numb to it. But every now and 411 00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:25.759 then he'll say something you'll just think to yourself, like, well, is 412 00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:27.359 this guy serious? And that's kind of what this is. But now you 413 00:27:27.440 --> 00:27:30.799 know, I don't care because Louisville's in better hands and look good for Kenny. 414 00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:33.279 He's landed somewhere. He's going to be an assistant coach for Cali Perry, 415 00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:37.680 Arkansas. And I don't hope that he has, you know, a 416 00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:44.440 bad career the rest I wish nothing, you know, no ill will right. 417 00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:47.039 I don't you know. I wouldn't be a liar and tell you that, 418 00:27:47.119 --> 00:27:48.319 like I hope he has a great rest of his career. I just 419 00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:53.759 don't really care. But this this actually is is I guess not surprising because 420 00:27:53.799 --> 00:27:59.319 the man's been consistent about Louisville and he still claims that he did things the 421 00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:03.559 right way there. I'm at Louisville. It was Maya Alma mata. We 422 00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:07.400 decided to part ways. They decided to part ways, So you question yourself 423 00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:14.319 as a coach. And then when it's over, the conversations that happened around 424 00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:21.039 the country numerous NBA teams, numerous college teams and programs, Kenny, we 425 00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:23.079 want you to be a part of what we're doing. We know exactly what 426 00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:29.480 happened. And then you realize, you know, you really was on the 427 00:28:29.559 --> 00:28:37.279 right page. He was on the right page despite going twelve and fifty two 428 00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:45.559 in two years, and numerous college programs and NBA teams know that Kenny was 429 00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:49.920 He was actually a really good coach. They know what happened, what happened, 430 00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:52.720 Like, we know what happened, Kenny, Well, tell us what 431 00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:56.559 happened. He makes it sound like there is a conspiracy against him, so 432 00:28:56.680 --> 00:29:00.799 yeah, yeah, that or they set him up for failure, maybe because 433 00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:06.240 of what you said, a potential conspiracy. Like I just I'm impressed by 434 00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:11.880 the ability to be that delusional and that disconnected from planet Earth and reality because 435 00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:15.440 nobody sees it that way, dude, And I don't know who told you 436 00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:18.200 that, but I want friends like that. In fact, I don't because 437 00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:22.240 it's not good, that's not productive for somebody to feed you that kind of 438 00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:29.759 nonsense. But either way, I mean, unreal. But hey, it's 439 00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:33.880 okay, he's he's Cow's problem. Yeah, he's even though apparently I mean, 440 00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:37.119 we heard his sound from years ago. Whenever he was with Kentucky, 441 00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:40.319 he sounded like a different human being when he was doing interviews for them, 442 00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:42.240 he did, I mean that clip we just played, I think he sounded 443 00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:48.119 exactly like he sounded when he coached here. Yes, but yeah, stunning. 444 00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:52.680 It really is. All right. So, for those who are just 445 00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:56.680 now joining us, or maybe you just hopped in at some point during the 446 00:29:56.680 --> 00:30:00.880 five o'clock hour, the news of the day is Coleman Hawkins is not visiting 447 00:30:00.920 --> 00:30:03.519 Louisville. And despite what people want to believe, and I don't really care 448 00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:07.000 what they believe, this was a situation where Louisville decided at the last minute, 449 00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:11.319 which really isn't a good look on their part. But I think they 450 00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:15.200 had to. You know, I think you read I think you this when 451 00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:17.160 you know. You know what I mean by that is they knew that they 452 00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:18.279 didn't know. They didn't they didn't want to pursue him anymore. They're the 453 00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:22.240 ones who canceled the visit and told him, sorry, we're gonna you know, 454 00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:25.519 we're going to go in a different direction, or we're just going to 455 00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:27.200 stand put with the roster we have. I don't know what it is they 456 00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:30.680 told him, But they are the ones who kind of put an end to 457 00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:36.440 this recruitment because of I'm sure things I don't that we that we don't know 458 00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:38.839 and will never know. But I think what I was told and I know 459 00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:45.079 it to be true. What it came down to was they are, I 460 00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:48.920 guess, worried, and maybe it is because of Hawkins and something about his 461 00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:52.920 character, his personality, immaturity. I don't know. Again, I don't 462 00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:56.480 know if him to be I mean, I don't think there's anything that you 463 00:30:56.480 --> 00:31:00.319 can point to as far as evidence that he doesn't have good character. But 464 00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:03.720 they like where they are as far as chemistry, and they don't want to 465 00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:07.960 mess that up. And they would have lost one player had he decided to 466 00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:11.839 transfer here. Maybe that player would have had a change of heart after given 467 00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:15.079 it some more thought. And there's also another player that might have left, 468 00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:17.839 and I don't know, I don't know which player it is, but I 469 00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:19.680 assume it's somebody that would have maybe lost a little bit of playing time and 470 00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:23.279 maybe it would have been more crowded at their position because of adding somebody like 471 00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:26.920 Coleman Hawkins. So both things can be true, Like he would have helped 472 00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:30.079 Louisville. He would have made them more talented. He would have certainly given 473 00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:33.039 them a bump. Some would probably say if he added, if he was 474 00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:34.079 added to the roster, he'd be your best player. I don't know if 475 00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:37.039 I'd go that far, but I can certainly hear you out because he's an 476 00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:41.319 All Big ten performer. He's a good player, and he would have helped 477 00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:48.160 you. But he waited so long to really start being recruited because he wanted 478 00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:49.519 to go to the NBA until he found out that you know, he wouldn't 479 00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:52.799 be drafted, or he you know that he needed to come back to school. 480 00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:57.880 So you know, had he pulled his name from the draft before you 481 00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:01.720 know, three week too or something like that, you probably end up in 482 00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:07.319 a situation where instead of Case and Pryor, you have Coleman Hawkins. And 483 00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:09.680 I love that they have Case and Prior. In fact, I'm I mean, 484 00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:15.920 I think he's to me. Case and Pryor and Codor Trey Ore are 485 00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:20.480 the two guys that I believe are going to be really hard to keep off 486 00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:22.480 the floor with the way they play, what they do, the way they 487 00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:27.519 impact the game. So you know, it's it's a decision I think Pat 488 00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:30.839 Kelsey and his staff probably had a tough time making but in the end they 489 00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:35.440 decided let's stay put, let's not rock the boat. Let's let's not potentially 490 00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:37.680 damage the chemistry that's already been established. And I know they have not looked. 491 00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:39.559 They haven't played a lot of basketball together. So it's not as if 492 00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:44.400 I'm acting as if they've got great chemistry on the court. I mean chemistry 493 00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:47.359 within the locker room, right, getting to know each other. And I 494 00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:51.559 don't think you and look, I know that a lot of these guys just 495 00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:52.880 got here, but they've been communicating with each other for a while now, 496 00:32:53.079 --> 00:32:55.759 trying to get to know each other a little bit better. And you know, 497 00:32:57.160 --> 00:33:00.160 it's new to everybody, so I'm sure there's been a collective effort for 498 00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:02.960 everybody involved, staff, player, everybody to try to get people on the 499 00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:07.720 same page, try to get them communicating until you do all end up at 500 00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:09.799 Louisville, which most of them are here now, so that chemistry has already 501 00:33:09.799 --> 00:33:15.680 been established. It's in a good place. And managing your roster, I 502 00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:20.599 mean because of Nil and the portal, and now I guess because of you 503 00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:22.920 know, when the when you're gonna add another element to it whenever the schools 504 00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:27.319 have to pay players and you've got to to figure out how you're going to 505 00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:30.759 pay them, like how who's gonna make what? Like it's managing your personnel. 506 00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:34.920 Because of these big changes that have taken place in college sports in the 507 00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:39.279 last few years, is it's I mean, it's it's changed how coaches do 508 00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:43.640 everything right, Like the days of saying, well, hey, if you're 509 00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:47.279 bothered because I'm bringing in somebody else that it's at your position, then you're 510 00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:51.880 probably not cut out to play here. You must not want to compete. 511 00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:53.319 You can you know, you can leave. Well, you used to be 512 00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:59.039 able to say that to guys that you know you can't lose, But what 513 00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:00.559 are they gonna do. They're not gonna leave because they'd have to sit out, 514 00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:06.119 or they're not you know, you know, or they're they're not gonna 515 00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:09.239 leave because you know, it just was a different time. Well, now 516 00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:15.599 these guys players have all the power, so you can you can be all 517 00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:17.400 hind mighty and say, well, look, if he's bothered, even if 518 00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:22.079 he is an All American caliber player, if he's bothered by somebody coming in 519 00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:25.239 at his position, then I'll let him leave. Well, you gotta win 520 00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:28.480 games, right, your job is to win and have success. Are you 521 00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:30.480 really going to just let somebody walk because of pride, Like you're gonna have 522 00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:36.320 to babysit egos and and manage that and and some coaches probably think, hell, 523 00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:37.920 no, I want out. I don't want to do this. And 524 00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:44.239 if that's their decision, that's their decision. But I'm I mean, if 525 00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:47.039 I don't think that it's a red flag if somebody took issue with another guy 526 00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:52.119 coming in at its position. Because these especially this roster, everybody on this 527 00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:59.559 roster was sold a specific you know, opportunity, doesn't mean they were guaranteed 528 00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:01.480 playing to I doubt that's how Pat Kelsey recruits. I don't think he's telling 529 00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:05.599 anybody you're gonna get twenty minutes, you're gonna get fifteen minutes. I think 530 00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:08.119 the sales, the selling point is that hey, everybody's going to have a 531 00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:13.199 chance to compete. But also, let's be real, like, if you 532 00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:19.840 are somebody at that position, the four maybe the five spot, and you 533 00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:23.119 thought when you arrived there'd only be maybe two other guys at it, and 534 00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:27.360 they wouldn't be at your position, like that matters. That probably impacted why 535 00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:30.800 you made the decision. And then if they bring in somebody who would probably 536 00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:35.480 start off maybe ahead of you on the depth chart, like it would make 537 00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:37.840 you mean, I have no problem with anybody looking out for themselves. Some 538 00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:42.239 will say it's being afraid of competing and not being built to you know, 539 00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:45.199 work for it, and I, you know, I don't think you're crazy 540 00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:47.679 for viewing it that way. But these guys only have a certain amount of 541 00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:52.639 time to play in college, and if they are wanting to leave because they 542 00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:55.480 want to put themselves in a position that makes the most sense for them as 543 00:35:55.480 --> 00:35:58.440 far as a role, like I don't, I don't fault them for that. 544 00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:02.679 So if the decision did not bring him in was because one they do 545 00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:07.440 think chemistry is good and they don't think that Hawkins would have been would have 546 00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:09.599 fit with that, then that's their call. If they made the decision because 547 00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:13.440 they just knew that bringing him in and him committing would lead to one, 548 00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:16.320 maybe two guys leaving, that's a risk they weren't willing to take, and 549 00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:19.920 that's again, that's their decision. And those are the kind of decisions that 550 00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:22.960 coaches now have to make that are very important. That didn't used to exist, 551 00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:30.639 right, I mean, guys simply did not transfer before the portal unless 552 00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:32.760 of like you know, I mean, it was just it happened, but 553 00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:38.000 it was really rare because nobody wanted to sit out. So look, I'm 554 00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:40.800 not gonna act like colemanhawks isn't a really good player that would have made Louisville 555 00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:45.320 better, because he is that. But again, I trust Pat Kelsey and 556 00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:51.320 his staff for managing this and you know, making the decision that overall is 557 00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:53.039 best for everybody meeting the team, and I think that's, you know, 558 00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:55.559 in their eyes, that's what this was. All right, quick break will 559 00:36:55.559 --> 00:37:00.159 come back on the other side and wrap up the wrap up the wei right 560 00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:06.920 here on Sports Talk seven ninety. That's right, Friday afternoon, just a 561 00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:08.159 couple of minutes left before we get out of here. I'm sure a lot 562 00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:13.199 of you've already started your weekend, so you know, hell yeah, let's 563 00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:17.519 let's have a good one. John's about to make a thirteen twelve thirteen hour 564 00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:22.679 drive tonight starting at three o'clock in the morning. Yeah, best of luck, 565 00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:24.880 stay safe, We'll do enjoy enjoy your vacation. Are you more of 566 00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:28.360 an itinerary guy? On vacation or do you just kind of let the day, 567 00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:31.960 you know, make itself. It really depends on the type of vacation. 568 00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:36.599 Like I thought, I'm kind of an itinerary guy by nature. But 569 00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:39.119 at the same time, I don't like to be, you know, stuck. 570 00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:42.840 I don't like I don't like feeling like I have to stick with the 571 00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:45.519 plan. I guess, yes, I know exactly. You probably are more 572 00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:47.239 of like a guy that does like to have an idea plan, and ye 573 00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:51.159 know, if it fears off the beaten path, that's fine too, though 574 00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:54.199 that's your nature and I'm usually like that with you know, routine when it 575 00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:59.039 comes to vacation. I hate having an itinerary. I mean, sometimes it 576 00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:00.480 actually works out to where you get you know, you get stuff done and 577 00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:04.159 you make the most of the trip and every you know, the time you 578 00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:07.880 have wherever you are, but it also feels like it's not a vacation if 579 00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:09.159 I'm on like a schedule, you know what I mean. Yeah, But 580 00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:14.079 once I had kids, like they dictate everything right, like their their their 581 00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:17.679 mood, they're needing of like naps and stuff, so you know, we 582 00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:21.159 don't have to worry about that and we take the kids. But yeah, 583 00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:22.920 have a good trip, my man. We will will certainly miss you, 584 00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:27.079 but we'll be in good hands. And I hope you guys have a good 585 00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:30.519 time when you coming back. We're coming back on a Thursday. It's kind 586 00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:35.079 of a random time, but we're actually on Friday. We're supposed to go 587 00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:37.800 to Churchill Downs with the in laws, and so we're coming back to the 588 00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:39.800 lot. You finish up the vacation with a little staycation, that's right, 589 00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:43.679 activity good stuff. Yeah, I'm gonna be at the Heavy furday night if 590 00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:45.119 anybody's gonna be there, Hell yeah, I mean that's where I get them 591 00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:47.920 helicopter rides in. Yeah, somebody has me on the text line earlier since 592 00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:51.679 I talked about the Heavy Fair yesterday, if I was going to be doing 593 00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:54.639 the helicopter ride. The answer is no. You know, I'm I'm afraid 594 00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:58.400 of heights, afraid of roller coasters, So like I'm not getting on a 595 00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:01.039 I'm not getting in a helicopter at the hill View Fair. But I bet 596 00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:05.079 that's a pretty profitable hustle, right you. I mean, I'm buying a 597 00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:07.920 helicopter is probably not probably not cheap, but you know, you take it 598 00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:12.599 around affairs festivals, and you know, charge everybody you know, however much 599 00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:15.440 money you charge them to get on for a few minutes. And I bet 600 00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:17.599 you can make some good money. But I won't be riding it tonight because 601 00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:21.719 I'm you know, I'm too scared. All right, We'll see you guys 602 00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:36.079 next week. Take care of have a good week at everybody