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us working in the forests of our world? Did you see what it was?
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I still got to fix those opening titles, Matt, your name is still
not on them, so don't take it personal. Oh not at all.
I just got to get the I just got to updated. Good evening,
folks, Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience. Monday, December eleventh, twenty twenty
three, guys were getting towards the end of the year, our eighty sixth
episode with our special guest tonight, our good friend Larry Beans Baxter. If
you guys have been doing anything Bigfoot related and following small town monsters, he's
been all over this last season of Beyond the Trail of Bigfoot Dark Coast,
which is pretty it's been pretty spectacularly. It's been great. I've thoroughly enjoyed
that. I love this kind of long form expose they're doing into Alaska,
the Last Frontier. Yeah, yeah, it was. It was quite an
experience because we went out there with the intense intent purpose of just spending as
much time out there as we could, and in typical Alaska fashion, you
know, the weather did not cooperate. It rained almost the entire time,
so much so that by the end I was starting to run out of dry
clothes and we were I was I was getting into a situation where I was
like, I'm I'm gonna have to start wearing wet stuff because I can't get
stuff dry quick enough. But right, is there anything more uncomfortable than wearing
wet clothes though, like I don't think of many things, especially socks,
wet sox and the little no seam flies going in those are in the ass
too. But yeah, we were out there for fourteen days and then actually
it was a little I was pretty much out in the field the entire month
of June because I spent the fourteen days there. We spent the beginning of
the month at the Boreo Bigfoot Expo and Fairbanks, and we went out to
Manley Hot Springs together, and then after the fourteen days we rest and recruited
a little bit here at my place, and then we went to my area
here on the ken I Peninsula for a little bit. So it was a
it was an eventful month. It was I pretty much did all my my
squatching and one go I didn't really go out much more after that. Well,
you know, and I think it's a great testament to some of the
things we've talked about that one of the problems that is pervasive in the field
is that we don't get to spend enough consistent time in an area. And
one of the things I love the most about this episos this little season series
whatever we want to call it there, Larry, is that you guys got
to spend the time. There were some things you got to do and some
things you didn't get to do. The with the duck blind, with the
thermal camera, right, some things I would have loved doing seen, but
understanding there's limitations. The blinds over here in my corner just still in the
box, unused. We just didn't get a chance to get it out,
and it was just too too wet and it rained too much. It's something
I mean, I'm definitely keeping it in my in my pocket and we're gonna
We're gonna try it again eventually. I'm curious to see if maybe I can
shoot thermal through and I think maybe I can because it's just like a thin
plastic blind. So that might be something we try in the future where we
just maybe leave it unmanned with maybe just the thermal running in it or something.
You definitely got to keep this informed of that. I think the advantage
you have there that we don't have in the States in most parts is the
traffic significantly less. You don't have to worry I think of somebody stealing it
as quickly as we would have to worry about it here in the lower forty
eight. Yeah, well, especially out there. I mean, it's it's
pretty hard to get out there unless you've got a boat, and there's not
really any reason to be out there unless you own property out there, or
maybe you're with fishing game or something. But it's not a lot of a
will Smith. I was just I say, it's really hard to get to
and you know, we've never you know, there's been people that come into
Bay occasionally and maybe they're fishing or maybe looking for shelter from a storm,
but you know, as far as just being out in the woods walking around,
people don't generally just disembark and head out into the woods. Yeah,
absolutely correct. And once you if you check it out, go to YouTube
and check out Small Town Monster's Dark Coast. You'll see exactly what Larry's talking
about. And it's not the only documentary Larry's been. And I'll give you
guys a little bio on Larry Beans Baxter our guest tonight. If you're just
joining us, I'm Sean Forker. That's James Baker over to my left,
Matt Arner over in the corner, Henry May down on the bottom, vance
Nesbitt in the middle square and then of course Larry down all the way at
the other bottom underneath Matt. That's our panel for this evening. Larry is
a military and law enforcement veteran passionate about investigating the unexplained. He lives works
in podcasts from Homer, Alaska, and is available for travel and speaking engagements.
Folks. If you'd like to book him, get a hold of him.
He runs the Last Squatch Podcast to Lastquatchpodcast dot com all around good dude.
This is his second time on our program here at the Sasquatch Experience.
We always love having Larry. Got to hang out with him in Tennessee just
a little bit at the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot Conference JB and I and we're just
glad you came back on with us, Larry, and continue this conversation.
You got a lot more to talk about with us this time. Yeah.
Well, I really enjoy your guys' show. It's one of the few that
I listened to regularly and keep a rest on. I really like the format,
you know, and you guys are very grounded and you bring up some
good points and it reminds me of the old school the Bigfoot show, and
there's just not a lot of that anymore, where a lot of the podcasts
and YouTube shows out today are just pretty much creepy pasta and scary stories.
And that's good and that's cool. But it's always nice to just sit back
and have a serious, grounded discussion every now and then. We really appreciate
that, Larry. We do, and we try. I mean, it's
you know, the show's not for everybody. If you like that kind of
scary bump in the night stuff, this isn't always that show. But I
think what sets us apart is at least the majority of us are researchers,
or have researched, or do active field work. Right, Matt and myself
have a pretty local area. Matt's been stomping all of Pennsylvania trying to find
us a new place to really go deep and investigate, because you have to
without We're trying to kind of do what you're doing in Alaska, but in
Pennsylvania, and I'm sure you can understand the population density and difference makes that
a lot more challenging. But Matt's doing a great job finding us some spots,
Larry, But you know, we're passionate about the subject. We care
about, you know, the research and and I guess that's why. You
know, I enjoy having researchers such as yourself on and I enjoy supporting and
following small town monsters. And I've watched the other documentaries you've been in the
Search for the Port Chatham Harryman Bigfoot Encounters in the PNW with Amy Boo,
like those are really good. I don't want to take anything away from the
great documentaries as well aside from the small Town Monsters, But you know,
you're really showing through your research and efforts. I think you're giving people this
glimpse into an area very few of us are ever going to get to experience,
you know. Sadly, you know, not everybody can make it to
Alaska, either financially, physically, or even just have the time, because
it's not a it's not an easy place to get to, especially where you
research. That's true. It's it's a challenging place. It's not for everybody.
You know. We have a lot of people move up here and they
don't usually make it through the first winter. They'll you got to be there.
You have to have a certain level of self sufficiency up here. You
have to be able to you know, shovel your your driveway or your walk
or you know, you just you just have to be prepared. And a
lot of people get up here thinking that a lot of the same infrastructure and
and luxuries that they have where they came from, they're going to have them
up here, and that isn't always the case. Well, you know,
to say nothing of the fact, the last time you were on our show,
didn't a moose run through your yard? Yeah? I looked at my
blind before we got started because I was like, if it happens again,
I want to be ready. Go ahead, James, I'm sorry. Well,
the Northwest is the same way. I know that a lot of people
look at that as the Homestead Act and some of the places where they can
get free land to do is that, you know whatever. But they don't
realize also there's not a local convenience store attached to so like you watch,
I watch a lot of the off the Grid shows, and they do some
in Alaska, and they do some in you know, some of these states
where you know, there's not a town for fifty miles. If there's an
emergency, you better either have a really good vehicle or know where the helicopter
will end. And you know, working in law enforcement, I got kind
of a look behind the curtain to a lot of that. You know,
the state Troopers are in charge of search and rescue for the state of Alaska,
and you know, I was privy to a lot of radio traffic where
you know, the dispatch would call the troopers and be like, hey,
there's there's this person. They're stuck on this mountain for with whatever problem and
they can't get down, and the trooper would be like the supervisor would be
like, well, we can't get anybody up there till you know, at
least tomorrow afternoon, so tell them to buckle down. And you know,
logistically I understand why they did that, but at the same time, I'm
like, think of that poor sap that just called for help, and now
they're going to get told you got to wait. Because people don't usually call
for help at the first sign of distress. They wait till it's too late
usually to call for help, and then they get told, well, we're
not coming. You know, you got to you gotta hold on a little
bit longer. Well, well, I'll tell you, Larry, for one
thing. It's an absolute pleasure to have you on the podcast. We do
have to we do have to get you down for the STM Monster fests,
so that that's like a must get down there. That is awesome. Yeah,
well, well we'll be there. So by the way, we have
a good burger place in that town that that me and Seawan and James will
take you. So but anyways, with you mentioning about the search and rescue,
have you heard any radio traffic through the dispatch of anything having to do
with you know, possibly a big foot sighting, any other cryptology, cryptozoological
you know, entities that were called in through dispatch to either Alaska State State
troopers or to local police. I can't. I do have one bigfoot story,
but I can't say I ever heard the troopers get any calls related to
that. Of course, you know, I could only we weren't on that.
It was just a channel we could scan and I didn't scan it all
the time. But I don't I don't remember ever hearing anything that could be
cryptid related or you know, like, yeah, oh it's not a bear,
but it's something. I don't remember hearing anything like that. We did
get a call one night, me and my partner of a gentleman in a
local campground here. It said Bigfoot stole his potatoes. And he was one
of our our frequent flyers that we dealt with quite a bit, and he
uh it was it was amazing because we had this new dispatcher that had just
got released out of training and was on his own, and he was a
really he was a sharp kid. He was really, you know, really
quick. So the guy calls up and is like, I'm at the so
and so campground and Bigfoot just stole my potatoes. And this kid doesn't miss
a beat. He goes, sir, did you see the beast? And
so we uh, me and my partner are head up there. This gentleman,
you know, he's got a lot of controlled substance issues, you know,
he's got a lot going on. Yeah, he was telling us about
what happened, and I actually went over and looked, and you know,
it has been raining. The ground was south there was no tracks or anything.
This campground in the middle of town. It's not like it's like in
the middle of nowhere. Yeah, so you know, obviously we were pretty
sure he wasn't telling telling the truth, and we ended up taking him in
for a well wellness check and holding him to the hospital for a little while.
But yeah, that's the only bigfoot related call that I ever And while
we're at the hospital, he keeps telling me. He starts telling my partner
I've seen I've seen bigfoot in Idaho and you know, Florida and Montana,
and he like names off like four or five states and my partner, my
partner says, well, you need to start carrying a camera, dude.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely, Yeah, right, I'm sorry.
I don't mean to laugh at you know, people that say, oh,
I've seen it, because you weren't there. You don't know if he actually
saw something or not. But it sounds a bit of forty eight states.
You know, you might still questioning a little bit. You know, I
saw him in Nebraska. Yeah sure, God man, it was in my
ramen the other day. But looks just like it. Larry, as you've
gone through the law enforcement military, was this assquatch something you always kept on
the forefront of your mind or was it something that eventually you came into going
to some of these areas. I've always been interested in the subject, and
it's always kind of been in the back of my mind. And I can't
say, you know, when I was out with the military or anything like
that, because we went to some pretty remote areas at Fort Wainwright and oh,
geez, what's the other one up there, Fort Greeley, And I
can't say that I ever heard or saw anything that really made me think Bigfoot.
Of course, those are areas where you know, the soldiers are always
going. They always have the exercises in the same place every every year or
so, about the same time of year, so it's it's almost like hunting.
Like the animals knew that they were going. It was about time for
all these soldiers to come in, so if they were around, they probably
made themselves scarce. I do remember we were, you know, hurry up
and wait. We were sitting around waiting to go move to our site and
set up. And about this big long line of convoy, this convoy of
humviyes, and everybody's just kind of sitting on their hood and just kind of
waiting to hear what's going on. And off in the distance, these wolves
start howling just ooh, and all these all these city kids that have never
been out in the woods, they all start like getting in their humviyes and
shutting the doors. And that's great, Yeah, but that is kind of
kind of a human nature reaction for those that do not spend a whole lot
of time in the vast wilderness or even in forest lands. And you hear
a common animal start spouting off, whether it's a mating call or it's just
pissed off, you tend to get a little bit of a goosebumps running up
your spine and in gonna go seek shelter. Well, when we were in
when we were in Washington, I came we came across the mountain lion tracks
and you know, I'm like, I'm like, oh, you know bears
whatever, you know, moves, you know, Like I know I have
a frame of reference. I know what to do if I deal with those
animals, not so much with mountain lions. And we saw these tracks and
it kind of nerved me a little bit. I'm like, I don't know
what to do for right, laser pointer that always works? Water bottle.
Yeah, and Tom the other day the guy got in the tiger cage and
the mountain lion cage and all they found was his shoes. Oh way,
it was on this morning while I was supposed to go to jury duty.
Okay, wow, boy that quickly derailed for some reason. I was like,
is this a punchline? Is this going to be like the cat was
where there was there was there was a zoo that had a mountain lion,
and some guy crept into the cage and they found they found the mountain lion
or the mountain lion or one of the cats, and he was chewing on
a shoe and they found the guy like twenty feet away from him, and
they were like, yeah, stupid of her reins. Kind of right,
it does animals. And that's the thing is, when you're out in the
woods, animals like that are just so random. Because like, while I
was working on my little mini putt, I had a deer maybe five feet
away from me, just looking at me, and when I turned around,
he was in there. He had been standing there probably ten minutes before I
noticed, And like, you know, if he'd have been a mount lion,
I'd have been dead. You know, I've never seen that coming,
so kind of it kind of relating to the to the same feline experience from
the Dark Coast. You guys found a lot of sign of links is there
anything that you have to be as careful of with links versus mountline or podcap.
I don't know that I've ever heard of my encounter where a lynks attacked
a person. Yeah, maybe there's some out there, but any anytime,
I've which it's funny. So I've seen all I don't know, four links,
I think since I've been in Alaska, and I've been in Alaska for
like about twenty years now, Yeah, and I've seen like four links.
One of them, I mean, like as close to me as that bookshelf
back there, I could have I could have grabbed it probably if it didn't
run away. And I've talked to people that have been up here much longer
than I have that I've never seen one. Oh wow, right, But
I don't think a lynx is near in size as a mountain lion would be.
And I think it would only pick on a prey that it could actually
have the realization it could take down and drag away and have for lunch.
I don't see a lynx as that large of a predator. It's really not.
Yeah, I don't. I don't think they get over thirty pounds.
Yeah, right, so it's probably about the same as one of our bobcats
round here. So it would be smaller animals like rabbit and mice and stuff
that would be I would think, so yeah, or like you know,
dingoes would eat a baby or something that, well, we have a lot
of ermine meant you know, a little little Martins stuff like that. I
imagine that's probably yeah, So okay, So I and again I don't want
to divert too much from the bigfoot talk, but I still have to know
with the Dark Coast, you guys found signs of Sitka deer. I found
that we've got them. I mean, there's no doubt in my mind,
Like they're so yeah, they're not supposed to be in that area according to
Fishing Game, but we had a drone sighting, we had footprints, we
found scat, we found bones the jawbone, and we got trail camera footage
of of one. Like did you did you contact Fishing Game about that then
to let them know that they are in that area or screw them? Yeah?
Look, you know what animals, of all animals, they do not
have any sense of what borders are state borders or county borders. They don't.
And I'll cover a little bit of that in our bottom of the hour
news segment that animals have no clue as to what borderlines are in states that
are made whatsoever. So yeah, they can certainly appear in there where it
was not expected to be in the you know what, it's an exploration for
them too. Baker makes a good point saying the government is it right.
I mean, that's like they just recently there was an article where the fishing
game in Arkansas finally admitted there's mountain lions down there, and somebody got a
clear picture of one on a trail camera. And you know, like,
like I said, we got I mean, we got other than like,
well, we do have the bone. I think Alex has it. So
I mean we got everything. We've got visuals, we've got trace evidence,
and we've got DNA, and we've got pictures of live ones on camera,
more than enough to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, and they can watch
it on YouTube. And I think that point Sorry, go ahead, James,
but I think that point is valid to the whole conversation on what we
talk about, because the fact is, it's like a lot of times,
even Pennsylvania, there are a lot of animals in Pennsylvania that that the Pennsylvania
dcn R or whatever they're called, say don't exist. Oh, that can't
be there, that can't be there. You have a animals in Alaska that
aren't supposed to be there. But I'll tell you now that if they can
be wrong about that, then don't you know you've got to You've got to
use your senses to say, Okay, I see this. Okay, yes,
this person says it can't be this. But here's the thing is,
you're also telling me there's no bobcats in Pennsylvania or no mountain lions in Pennsylvania.
Right, like Van said, they don't care about a state line.
I've got coyotes. Yeah, I've got coyotes here on my property that I've
I've caught on before. We're not absolute, they're not really supposed to be
here either, like they're relatively new import I believe, I mean the mountain
lions in the city of Chicago three times now over the last ten years.
Three times with a mountain lion in the City of Chicago boundary lake front.
And Okay, so it happens that goes to your point vance of you know,
these animals don't know boundaries, right, And as we continuously push out,
we're pushing out, and maybe not so much in Alaska, but down
here in the lower forty eight, you know, we're pushing out and they
have to go somewhere, and where are they going to go? Well,
when there's resource available, So how do we not think that's not going to
apply to you know? Eventually, larger creat scared the living crap out of
them, and I'm like, you know, when I think I'm just going
to go into the metropolitan area and hang out there, well, listen,
if you guys remember I think it was was it Mike Green and North Carolina?
It was investigating I think an area he lived, maybe that, or
maybe it was an episode of finding Bigfoot. My mind's failing me here.
This culled to Sack that was there wasn't always there. And they think that
the reason why they kept having sightings is because they kept passing through this area
that they used to go through all the time. Now that there's these you
know, new obstructions there, they're going to go through it, but they're
going to be a lot more you know, stealthy, and just because that's
their range and that's their habit and you know how many other areas, you
know, are they experiencing this. You know, we talk about habituation as
if it's I don't open up that can of worms. But you can't say
the age word without you know, at least glancing through. It may not
necessarily be a behavioral anchor may just be a reflex or a you know,
continual route through that They're not there because somebody's keeping them there. They're there
because they're always there. Habituation has gotten a bad reputation because say it.
They think of bigfoot knock them on the door and asking for sugar, and
that's not necessarily I mean, I've got a habituation situation going on with the
moose in my yard. They came in and they like to eat the plants
in my in my yard and my trees, and I don't put them out
there for them, But they're there, and I know they're going to become
and I know they're going to I get pictures of them all the time,
and I don't run them off. I just let them do their thing.
It's you know, I'm not I don't have a relationship with the moose.
We're not like I don't go pet them or anything. But I know they're
going to come. I know when you know the plants are gonna want to
eat, and I get pictures of them. But that's a valid point,
right there, is you know when they're coming, you get pictures. You
know that if you went ten miles down to the general store, the moose
wouldn't follow you and you'd see it again. So there's a difference between what
you're saying and some of these people, like the gentlemen earlier, I've seen
it twelve different states. No, you think you saw it in twelve different
states and you made a bunch of circles on a bunch of pictures. Those
are the people that make habituations the look back. Absolutely, Henry, we're
going to say something there, buddy. Yeah. I wanted to ask Larry
about the ka the otter Man land man. Yeah, So that's that's more
in Southeast Alaska. I don't have a lot of experience or reports with that,
but I do know it's the natives down there, the Clinkett They'll they'll
be quick to tell you that bigfoot and kushtaka are two separate things. They're
not the same thing. And there's a lot of a lot of the legends
about like, oh, they'll take you and they'll turn you into a kushtaka.
You know, that's that's kind of their thing. So I want to
get down there to southeast Prince of Welles Island is one of the places on
my on my bucket list, and we actually had a trip plan. I
think it was back in twenty twenty. We were going to go and of
course we all know what happened in twenty twenty. And I had the camp
I had a campgrounds reserve, I had a car rented. I mean,
I had everything, and we ended up canceling the trip because of what was
going on. But it's it's going to happen eventually, Larry. You've had
shows like The Alaskan Killer Bigfoot, and you know other shows that have really,
you know, probably taken some liberty with por Chatham in the area.
Sure, anything you want to set the record straight on regarding some of those
shows and what's really transpired and taking place, Well, it's just it's been
very dramatized. It's a lot like if you think about the Salem witch Trials,
where the salemnch Trials has been turned into this like massacre you know that
that went on for years where these witches were burned at the stake and in
reality, you know, there was some witches. I believe they were hung
and I think there was like less than twenty or something it was, And
that's kind of what's going on with por Chatham. There's definitely some negative connotations
around the Nanta knock down there. They you know, they're afraid of him.
There's been some mysterious deaths there. There's been some missing people there,
but it's not quite the massacre that everybody quite makes it out to be on
the internet. But there is some I mean, there's some really squatchy stuff
going on there, and there's some sightings and some some Bigfoot legends that go
back way before you know, the big Foot Fever hit the United States and
you know with like Jerry Crew, Patterson, Gibblin, you know, stuff
going back to like the twenties, the thirties. You know, Bigfoot was
being talked about up here, and they've just kind of turned it into the
like the creepy pasta. You know, they want to produce scary stories and
yeah, they've just they've just kind of taken it and dramatized it for you
know, for viewers. I think that's a critical point that you made,
and I think more people need to know and maybe we need to talk about
more as these early sightings of Sasquatch, nati nach and whatever. You know,
the Native term is for this the Alaskan term is for the Bigfoot in
this area. And I found that fascinating just because I have this book sitting
right in front of me that's a thousand and some pages of the historical Bigfoot,
right, and I think a book like that is belongs in every bigfooter's
library. But you tell a much more comprehensive story of the background and folklore
the area before these stories have been bastardized and turned into silver screen productions,
right. And you know, for crying out loude you've got Eastern Orthodox priests
doing exorcisms and you know things that you know probably aren't very aren't very accurate.
And it just kind of bothers me that, you know, these shows
get a lot of you know, excitement hoopla generated from nothing more than yeah,
they're nothing more than you know, buzz and camera tricks and what would
you guys do? And you know Alex's much difference. Alex addressed this in
the new episode of Dark Coast where he basically, you know, we were
out there for fourteen days and some interesting stuff happened, but nothing mind blowing
or earth shattering, and he basically says like, yeah, you know,
it's it's a shame we're out there putting in in the work. And then,
you know, these shows that dramatize things, you know, they get
all the attention and the the fame and the and the you know, the
viewers, and they condition people to think that something's supposed every time I turn
my camera on and I'm out in the woods, something squatch He's supposed to
happen. And that's not the case at all. I Mean, most of
the times I go out, I camp, I have a good time,
I come home, nothing happens. You know. Another time I might go
out and camp and I might hear one or two woodenknocks and nothing for the
rest of the time. I mean, it's just that's how it goes.
It's not it's not all squatch action all the time. And I think shows
you know that that's probably more appropriate. Baker. Big Foot's like a fishing
show. You know, well it is because you think about it that you
get five minutes. There's a red snapper, five minutes more, there's a
trout five minutes that was like twelve hours in a boat and then sitting there
scratching each other and drinking beer. Okay, well, and like Cops too,
Cops has edited all hell because you know, they don't show you the
three hours the guys drove around with nothing going on. Yeah, well,
it depends on which city. Though, let's be fair, some of that's
probably pretty accurate. You know, they just do Wilkespur Yeah, wolf On,
Yeah, that's on the news show. And then Cops was ray up
the road from us in Heazleton and yeah, they actually they actually told him
to shut it down because it was speaking the tail looks so bad. That
doesn't take a lot of effort, and it takes long for them to get
footage right. But you know, to the main point we were making,
like it's not sexy and it takes a lot of effort and patience, and
it's frustrating. You know, how have you dealt with the frustration with some
of this? Larry, you go out, you spend all this time and
you know, twenty years or more. I've been doing the field research thirty
years or more. I've been really into this story, and we're no closer.
You know, maybe we are, and I just don't give us enough
credit. We are getting closer to solving the mystery, but we're still so
far away. How don't deal with that? I make therapy memes you do
between you and Matt Knapp. Half my morning is looking at I mean,
working, is half the mornings working. The other half is looking at memes
that these guys post. It's pretty good shit. Well, speaking of pretty
good shit, we do have to take a moment for the news vance Nesbitt
with the bigfoot bullhorn folks, We're going to give you a few minutes.
Smoke them if you got them, we'll be right back. Stretch your legs,
do whatever you got to do, Sasquatch experience. Sean Forker, James
Baker, Mattarn't and Remay Vincenz But and Larry Beans back, sir, we'll
catch you up right after. This news team a symbol. There's this guy
on YouTube might watch all the time and he sees bigfoot and he's a redneck.
He's a self proclaimed redneck too. I'm not saying that's a bad thing.
I'm just saying that's what he is, right, Because who else is
gonna see bigfoot when you think about it, right? No, Like,
it's never like somebody that's been to Harvard or Brown or Yale or Princeton.
They have a degree in a bigfoot store. They always want to talk about.
You know, nobody's ever been like my driver and I were in my
Lexus and a large bipedal beast leapt out in front of us. I nearly
lost my monocle. Nobody's ever lost a monoca looking for bigfoots. It's never
that guy. It's always a redneck type like guy. He was at my
bird feeder. I said, get bigfoot. Ah, yes, snirky,
I remember when comedy was funny. Well, a happy Monday night to you
all. This is the big football horn right here on the Sasquatch experience.
And of course we are in full swing of the get fat and sassy season.
I guess the goal is not to become as large and smelly as Michael
Moore Speaking to Michael Moore. A herd of followers are tracking a moose on
the loose in southern Minnesota. Hoping the majestic animal's journey ends safely after it
was spotted last Tuesday one hundred and forty miles northwest of Minneapolis. Fans have
been tracking the young male moose for weeks and posting updates on a Facebook page
that as of Tuesday, had eighteen thousand followers. Admirers call the animal get
this bullwinkle or rut, the latter in homage to the scatterbrain moose from the
movie Brother Bear. I haven't seen that one now. A Minnesota Department of
Natural Resources big game expert told the Minnesota Star Tribune that moose typically only roman
northern Minnesota, making the now famous moose visit to south and central Minnesota a
rare treat. Todd Froberg, the agency's big Game program coordinator, said the
young moose is likely looking for home, territory or other moose and is expected
to continue moving north. He's lost and he's trying to get home to his
family, said Bernie Stang, a moose fan who spotted the animal in late
October. Amateur moose tracker Brenda Johnson said traffic on the Facebook page, of
which she is the administrator, picked up in September when the moose was spotted
in Iowa, near the border of Minnesota. She suspects Rut or the moose
traveled from North Dakota through South Dakota and Iowa before coming back to Minnesota,
based on news reports of moose sightings in South Dakota that matched his description.
Now Danielle Magnuson began searching for the moose last month as a distraction from stressors
in her life. This is why we call the big football horn the big
distraction. She spent several days a week searching before she finally found him on
November thirteenth near Sock Center. It was almost like seeing a bigfoot, Magnuson
said. Now, she didn't say that, she said unicorn. They're just
really beautiful animals and we don't get a chance to see them around our area.
Stang said seeing Rut was especially touching for her twenty six year old daughter,
Holly Stang, who had never seen a moose before. She said,
Holly Stang first named the creature Rut. This moose has brought so much joy
to so many people and so much hope, Bernie Stang said, because most
people in their lifetime never get to see a Moose said Larry Bean's Baxter never
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Channel six. So a few years ago I had Dunwood Sean coined as Man
on the Street interview with some people that I know and some people that I
just have acquaintances with reguarding the subject of bigfoot and what's your opinion? So
the following its two people's opinion? What's your take on bigfoot? I actually
saw one in my backyard the other day. Did you get it taken down
to this deer? It was just rhythm, its handlers off, trying to
eat it. It was just horrible. Wow, there was blood everywhere because
dog came out in the bigfoot bad way, like he was nothing. This
thing was tough like dogs. It was Harry. First I thought it was
my wife. She wouldn't be tearing the antlers off the deer. No,
she'd just go out there with the knee ACKs and head off. Oh that's
great. What's your take on do you think there is such a creature or
it's easy. I think it could exist. Yeah, I haven't seen one,
but that doesn't mean it's not real. Oh that's a great answer.
But I love the fact that you saw in your backyard. So what's your
take on Bigfoot? Real? Not real? Interesting? Okay, it's interesting.
What's your personal opinion? You think it's all? I think? I
used to work for him. Stop, I'm serious. I'm sure you probably
think you did. No, and it's serious. If you were to go
out into you know, great Northwest or into Florida or into Montana. I
know him Bigfoot personally. His name's Biggieman. Yeah. Wow, see I'm
asking him the same question. What's his take on Bigfoot? I used to
work for him at National Tractor Parts. Oh he's even mentioned the names.
That's even better. Real or not real? Always real? No? No,
not satirical. No, seriously, his Biggie Man. That's that's his
real name. People don't know him personally like I do. Well, what
about Sasquatch or YETI his family? Boy? Thanks again for listening to this
edition of Big Football Horn exclusively on the Sasquatch experience, and until next time,
keep those toes in the mud. Again, Van's proving the theory of
morphic resonance. Correct, assholes do attract assholes. So well done that one
vance. Where do you find those idiots? Where do you work with them?
It's an associated thing and I'll just leave it at that. Gotcha.
Here you go, guys, speaking of moose. First, I thought it
was a pop so I like to practice. If I find some in my
yard, I'll just cast them. Mm hmm. This is pretty cool.
And there's actually I don't think you'll be able to see it on the camera,
but there's actually a hair sticking out right there. So but yeah,
this is a loose track that I cast that I found in my in my
yard a couple of years ago, just to keep you know, keep in
practice and cast something well like I sent in the in our little private group.
Sasquatch rides on the back of a moose. That's why there's such a
lack of tracks of sas It rides like a horse like a cowboy. Well,
you know, I think it's great that you keep your skills sharp.
Do you have a particular favorite type of material you used to cast for prints?
Not really, uh, you know, the most readily available I can
get up here is a plaster of Paris, and it's not really the best,
but it's what I can get and get in large quantities. But that's
that's usually what I carry around with me. I need to get some like
hydro col or something a little bit better, but especially the plaster of Paris.
It's it's it's cheap, it comes in a large quantity, and it's
you know, it's a good, a good substance you can you can train
with mm HM and Matt usually keeps an abundant amount on him usually when we
go to conferences and yes, yeah, you know it likes to bring it
out like it's bricks of cocaine and put it on the table. I found
a footprint and it's sketchers. I don't care, it's a footprint. I
have my friend kit. It was set up with a bag, a sealed
bag with a water bottle already there. You know. It was kind of
like the searchy kit that you get that has the water bottle, the you
know, the plaster and all sealed up. Well. I made my own
and unfortunately, the the glad uh reseal bags I had weren't really one sealable
and next thing, I know, there was powder all over the the UH
and d It was great. I got great. I got excited when I
saw the searchy with the packs with the water bladder in it. Yes,
and I realized I thought about it, and I'm like, that would that
would last in my backpack for about ten minutes and then it would probably just
go everywhere. Yeah, exactly exactly. So that just goes to prove that
Matt's prepared anywhere we go at a moment's notice. The cast of print.
Yeah, I do keep a little forensics BacT with me anyways for work,
and a lot of stuff that I that I used for work. You know,
I'll I'll get replicants of that that I can have in my UH in
my field research bag. So you know, it's something you know, and
it keeps up. I'll tell you Larry. When I saw Larry doing the
anal basically, well not the analysis, but doing the collection. Yes,
the collection of the it's been a long day, I'm sorry. The collection
of the of the DNA and the h and the handprint. I was super
super like. Everything that we did, everything that I've been trained to do,
was everything that Larry did. And again bringing that that type of skill
set out in the field is extraordinary, whether you're doing wildlife research or if
you're doing forensics as well. It's something I think that a lot of researchers,
you know, they should look into evidence collection. It's a fascinating field.
Yeah, it's it's kind of we hear somebody say like, oh,
I I found this and I picked it up and then it sat in my
closet for you know, six months, or in my garage during the summer,
and yeah, it's probably whatever it was, it is probably long degraded.
Yes, yes, you know, Larry, with that most print that
you just showed everybody, And I understand in the podcast version you're not going
to be able to see it from what I'm seeing. I'm just guesstimating now.
I'm guesstimating from what you just showed us in the video format, probably
somewhere between four hundred and fifty and five hundred pounds. I would probably say
a little bit more than that. Yeah, this was, if I remember
correctly, it was it was a mother and a cat, well not a
calf, but a yearling. And I believe that's the mother's footprint, and
it was later in the summer, so she had started to fatten up a
little bit, so she was she was probably on the probably on between five
six hundred pounds. Wow. And of course I understand it depends on what
the environment of the earth is at the time when which it laid at print
down. I don't know how moist the ground was, and this all is
relevant to casting footprints of a big foot. It all depends on how soft
the ground is from moisture and how deep that footprint would go down, and
you're trying to guestimate what the weight would be. But yeah, that's a
pretty sizable print that you showed. Well, like out of area A.
You know, we found some impressions in the ground and I'm not a little
guy, and I'll step on it, you know, step up and down,
and I can't leave an impression in that substrate. So I'm like,
what the hell was what could leave the impression here? Right? I think
in the last day we got to see you and al you, Alex and
Rebecca really kind of show that where where there was something found, you know,
like it was it was you know, it wasn't conclusive that you could
say it was a it was a footprint, but you found impressions that were
really I mean, you know, when I saw him on the video,
I was like, wow, you know, I mean those kind of look
you know, they're around the same dimension. When you were out there with
the with the way the vegetation is and everything, were you able to actually
see toe separation? No? Not not in that like mossy spongy. There
has been some some towed tracks found around the cabin where some dirt was dug
up. Robroy has a cast that they actually did in like spray insulation that
they found they had dug an outhouse and in the pile of dirt they had
dug for the hole in the outhouse, there was a five toad track found
in that dirt and they had they didn't have this is you know, they
were just kind of starting in on the big Foot thing. It wasn't really
like, oh, maybe we should have some supplies and stuff out here now.
And all they had was like spray insulation foam, so they that's what
they used to cast it. But yeah, yeah, you know, it's
it's not a lot of areas, you know, the beaches real rocky.
There's not it's not a sandy beach. And then once you get into the
woods, it's all that spongy moss. You know, there's just not a
lot of places around there where you could find a good track that would show
definition And like toes can't hear you at fork? Why because I muted myself
when I coughed. Matt set us up for a good question there. And
it's one of the things I think is frustrating here is the different types of
vegetation and soil substrates that make it very difficult to cast footprints. Do you
find that a lot up in area A that it's going to be more difficult
to capture prints just because of the different types of terrain that are there in
that area. Yeah. And in fact, you know, most of the
areas that I've researched in Alaska, they all seem to have that that substrate
in common. It's always seems like it's a spongy, mossy area, maybe
near a marsh or a river or something like that. It seems like that's
where they like to hang out. I don't know if it's because they're aware
of how concealing that ground can be, or if it's just coincidence that whatever
they like to do is near that that type of ground, but Porch Chatham
very similar, you know, the rocky beach and then spongy, spongy substraight.
Yeah, it's just it's frustrating. I like to draw those comparisons just
because of you know, wheld our listeners are coming from. I know,
it's something that Matt and I have talked about. Ad nauseum is the big
frustration of half the reason we can't good get prints is because either it's rocky
soil or we've got moss you know everywhere. Now, doctor Meldrum did show
us a time or two that that spray foam insulation's a great substitute if you're
going to have an area where it's you know, you may not be conduced
to use plaster. But you don't get that detail either. You get with
the you know, with the pouring plaster. You don't get those what the
dermal ridges are, which is something I think people have stopped talking about more
recently. When it's come to prints. You don't have the dissertations on dermal
ridges anymore like you were having there for you know, months and years at
a time. Yeah, I mean that was a big thing twenty years ago.
As dermam ridges. Now we're talking about e DNA and you know,
new different ways to collect when you were out and Alaska to do the opportunity
to try to do any e DNA collection techniques, I've looked into it.
There's a there's a lake near Port Chatham that I want to get up to
and I want to try and take DNA samples from, but it's pretty pricey,
I think to get the equipment to do it. I'm sure maybe in
the next few years it'll come down to a more affordable apparatus that I can
I can buy and lug up there. I think it's actually like there's a
pump with a bunch of different filters and stuff that come with that. So
it's definitely on my radar, but it's not something that I've tried yet.
That the handprint that we found on the cabin it actually had some pretty defined
dermal ridges on it, and Doug Hichek has sent that off. I guess
it is hopefully being tested as we speak. I don't know when we'll get
the results on that, but I'm waiting with baita Bread at that talk about
that for just a little bit there. Larry for folks who may not be
too familiar with the handprint. So Alex was out at the cabin I think
I believe this was last year, and he on the back of the cabin
he found a real large, greasy handprint, almost like a whitish film,
like you know, you hear a lot of people talk about the what's it
called, like the album Varnix or something like that. And he called me
out and asked if I would come and swab it for DNA. And so
it took me a little There was some weather. It took me a little
bit to get out there. I wasn't able to get out there like right
away. But even by the time I showed up, like it was still
visible. It had started to fade a little bit, but not to the
point where you couldn't see it with your naked eye. And then so I
documented it, took photos, took some pictures, I took some video.
I threw some mobile gliding on it, which I'm sure Matt's familiar with,
which made it kind of pop and you could see it a lot better.
And then I swabbed it. I took I think I believe it was two
swabs from each finger and two from the palm, and I use the capture
swabs, which I'm a big fan of, which had the little plastic has
a little plastic cap at the top that you can open up and slide down,
and then after you swab your whatever, you can pull a little top
up and close it and it protects that swab. I'm a big fan of
those, and we sent them off to Doug Hicheck and he has sent them
off. I assume it's part of his legend Meet Science to documentary that he's
making that He's collected quite a bit of evidence that he sent off for that,
and I'm hoping to get the results for that here pretty quick. And
you know, I don't understand. I mean, it's either human or it's
it's bigfoot. There's no I don't think there's really any any in between.
And I don't see how it could be human. The placement of it.
It was actually right out about my head height was about five to eleven six
footish and it was right on the other side of a large water tank for
the cabin. So for somebody, for a person to put that there,
they would have had to basically lean over that water tank and put their hand
like up about six foot in height and then have something on their hands that
would leave a shiny, whitish stain that that persisted for over a week them
right, that's what does Yeah, and Doug has been when we had him
on the show. You know, he's putting a lot of eggs in that
basket that it's pretty remarkable that, you know, we've got something new to
try to test and collect and examine. And there's been some pretty good samples
of that collected. Like you were just telling us about the handprint, there's
been some in in some other places that he was telling you that the folks
can go back and check out that episode with Doug high check. It was
really really good episode with him. But I'm just excited to see what this
is going. Is there anything you didn't get to do that you need to
do That's like Larry's like, I got to get on this and I got
to do this as soon as possible. Oh geez, I mean, I
just I want to get back out there and just spend some more. I
would like to set that blind up and maybe just let it set for a
few weeks and then get back out there and just maybe set in that blind
is overnight with some thermal and a recorder and stuff going, and or maybe
just leave some stuff in it unmanned while it's running and you see what happens.
But yeah, I'm just really excited to continue to get out there and
just see what I can see. It's amazing place. I can't really explain
the lack of activity other than maybe the novelty, either the novelty of the
cabin has worn off, or maybe they're making a circuit around the area and
they just haven't got back that way. You know, they may be a
food source, you know, two coves away that they're really into this time
of year or something. I don't know, but you know, I can't
I can't deny the I mean, I've heard some some of the Christmas knocks
I've ever heard out there. I heard vocalizations, you know, I've seen
the tracks that Rob Roy and those guys have collected, and it's just I
think, you know, if there, if they would be anywhere, they
would be there. There. You have it, guys, this hour's gone
already. We've blown it right through it. We've got to get Larry back
again for another episode of this a little bit down the line. Thanks so
much for spending some time with us. Larry, appreciate it. What's next
for you? Any new projects that you got going on? They're going to
be coming out? Oh geez. Uh, I'm working on my fourth book,
which is not Bigfoot or Cryptid related at all. I'm gonna try something
a little different. It's gonna be coming out next spring. And then.
Uh, I don't know. I've always got something going on, just either
getting out in the field or doing a video with somebody. I've been hanging
out with Chuke from Chukes Outdoor Adventures. He's a cool guy up here in
Alaska. But yeah, that's uh. I always got, always got something
going on. You just got to check out a Last Watch podcast dot com
to find out dot com Go ahead, man, I I just want to
one ask one last question here. What would it take Larry to get me
Sean and James and Henry in dance too if they want out to Area A
with you to we'd have to talk to the owner a little bit. I'm
not the travel agent for Area A, so I get a lot of people
asking me to go out there, and I'm like, oh, we got
to talk to the owner. I just it's kind of up to him if
he feels like, you know, you guys would would have a good time
out there and not you know, you just got to pass his vie check.
I guess I think James would be our key for everything. So I
hope he doesn't charge per pound or we're screwed. We're gonna need a couple
of rascal we're gonna need. And on that note, folks, you've been
listening to The Sasquatch Experience. Sean Forker, James Baker, Matt Arner,
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