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Okay, go hey everyone, welcome
back to the fire Escape Cast. It's

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episode sixty seven. I haven't been
here in well, Mary and I haven't

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been here in a couple of weeks, three years since my last podcast,

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my guide Mad I'm a husband.
See yeah, how does it feel good?

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I say my wife as much as
I can. I haven't said it

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out loud, actually, as much
as I'd like to. I said it

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for the first time at a i'd
like even on the honeymoon. I didn't

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really say it out loud to anybody. When we went to a cocktail place

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before killers the flower moon the other
night, I said, I think my

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wife's already here at our table.
Felt like a felt super adult. Makes

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you feel very adult? That where's
my wife? Is? The flower moon

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with my wife on Saturday. So
yes, me and my wife will be

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saying that. No one told me
how horny it would be all the time

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once I got married, like all
the time, Sure, it's all I

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want to do. Well, you
can have sex now, finally, I

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know crazy, Yes, speaking permission
in by the State of New York to

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finally fornicade. You do need that
this clip say, just completely hypothetically for

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an exercise. Say we haven't yet. I'm not going to revoke it.

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What's like the best? Give me
like four positions I should fall back on

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top, bottom, ceo side,
other side, front, back. All

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right, I'm learning a lot.
Notebook middle, middle. The wedding was

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fun, Yeah, yeah, there. It was such a beautiful wedding.

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I know a lot of people say
when they go to a wedding it was

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beautiful, but they have to because, like, weddings are a lot of

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money and there's a lot of planning
involved, so you can't be a dick

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about it. Your wedding was stunning. I know, it was so pretty,

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and the fact that you got married
with like New York behind you was

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really awesome. We lucked out with
the weather too. I think it rained

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for like three days before that day
and then four days after, but we

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got like the nice upper sixties New
York City sunset over the water is great,

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perfect day, perfect suit weather.
It was yeah. Temperature comfortable,

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not too hot, not too cold, little Goldilocks moment with the with everything.

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Honestly, it was true. It's
true what people were telling us.

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They're like, you're gonna we planned
it all ourselves. Well, I mean

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again, we had help from like
the head of our venue and whatnot,

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but planning wise, we did it
ourselves, which looking back, if I

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did it again, I think I'd
still do it that way. But it

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was definitely like a lot of free
time that we just step over the last

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year and a half. But people
kept telling us like, you're gonna spend

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a lot of time planning and it's
gonna be great, but it's going to

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go buy in a blur, and
like the rehearsal dinner night the night before,

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seeing everybody come to town the day
of, and then like we got

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back home the day after, We're
like, well, what do we do

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now? We went to down to
Key West the day after that, but

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I remember like ten moments vividly,
and we got our photos back, which

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were great because I was like,
oh right, this happened in that.

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And then like minor things like,
uh, if you ever watched Caneval with

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Mary and I, you know,
a bit that I consistently do at the

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beginning of an episode is like Mary
will introduce me, like what do you

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want, I'm busy right now.
He does it every time, and he

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also does it every time he calls
me, which is really annoying, like

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he will call me and I'll phone
He'll go, what do you want?

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That's funny. So for the ceremony, Dan was up there first to say

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like, hey, please put your
phones away, like you know, we

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got a photographer. Then the music
started. Then I was first up family

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uh uh, bridal parties. A
man that came up last, and I

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did the bit when Mary he got
up and passed me. I don't know

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if you heard, like in the
middle of the ceremony with you know,

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the music playing and me standing up
there all serena, when I was like,

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what do you want them busy?
I guess she walked by me.

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It was funny. I was proud. I didn't I didn't want to tell

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you and bother you at the wedding, but like right before everyone came out,

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all of your brothers were very drunk
and rowdy and I had to kick

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all of their asses. That's what
they told me. They're afraid of you

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now they are, Yeah, all
those military dudes, and I had to

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take them all down. And you
sit here and you don't cause a scene.

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Brother's special day. I love you
think more than one of them is

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in the was in the military.
I think there's one. I think there's

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a stat bonus to anyone who's been
in the military. With the people around

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him were it's like, okay,
they can all kick Yeah. Yeah,

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he's like the bard because he's been
in the military. Yeah yeah, brothers

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within a three meter radius can kick
ass. Now. Yeah, I'm basically

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a seal because he was in the
Marines. Yeah, that's how it works.

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I have a purple heart. I
want to apologize to people listening.

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You probably already might have noticed.
I'm pretty I have a cold. I

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feel like fine energetically, but you
know, as we've all been doing a

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lot of traveling. But when we
got back from the Mini Moon, it

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was like on and off, just
been sick. And then today I was

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not going to miss my first episode
back. So I'm uh brute forcing through.

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It might be here's Dan Mary.
You just cannot make me laugh the

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entire episode because then I will just
cough. Did you catch the sex flu?

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Yeah? We won't say anything.
I've been going some places God did

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not intend me to be going.
But don't make me laugh because then I

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will got it. No, I
don't. I don't want to trigger like

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listeners. The most serious episode ever
begins now four score seven years ago,

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the Land of Lincoln, where the
Shadows lie. We walked through the Valley

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of the Shadow of Death. That's
the ticket. Really keep it dry and

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just try, said onto Abraham more
monotone please, and low low, And

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it was good. It's kind of
funny. That's gonna make your voice scratchy.

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It already is scratchy. Actually,
no, it's gonna make it worse.

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You're gonna start coughing. Oh are
you trying to get me to cough?

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No, I don't want to cough. There's no jokes, no joke.

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The hobs of them will be good. That's just letting viewers. Now,

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hard game analysis. How have you
guys been, What have you been

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up to? Blah? We're both
at the wedding. And then since then,

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the week after that, I went
to Canada. Week after that,

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I went to a place sits embargoed
until I think a few days from now.

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And I just got back in town
last night or something. So basically

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every weekend in the last month I've
been traveling and somehow I'm not sick,

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and I'm looking forward to just hanging
out in November and having people over here

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instead of me flying everywhere, so
it'll be nice. I also traveled the

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last three weeks. I went from
New York immediately to Las Vegas for twitch

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Con and then immediately to Palm Springs
for my own personal break, and then

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immediately back to uh Portland and I
leave in like two days for New York

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City again. Did come back to
New York. I saw the Sphere?

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How is it? In person?
I love that thing. It's cool.

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It's I think we were all kind
of ragging on it when you saw the

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little smiley face on the outside,
and then when everybody saw what the inside

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could do, You're like, all
right, it's a little different. The

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outside is rad. So this Microsoft
and Xbox was doing all the ads on

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the sphere and it was nuts,
just like nuts, how vivid they are

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on the sphere. Mike doesn't know
what the spear is in Vegas. Yes,

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okay, I sort of know what
this is. Yeah, but I've

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never seen the concert, so sort
of know what the sphere is. Mike,

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What the fuck is that? Oh? Yeah, I'm pretty sure I

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kind of know what the I believe
it's a circle shape. Jokes human eyeball

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in the middle of the desert.
You've seen it. You can't know what

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this is. Stop riffing factual commentary. Only what's the funniest thing you can

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put on the sphere? Just make
a big nipple. It's like a goat

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seat, like a nipple. Make
it a boob. Yeah, get another

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sphere in sphere because it's so bright
that they can't sleep at night. Well,

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look, they decided to live in
Las Vegas, so if they're worried

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about brands, that's kind of their
problem. They're living there, though.

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You can't be like it's your fault
for living. If you're close enough to

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the sphere for it to bother you, you picked the wrong fucking city to

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move to. If there's gonna be
a fucking baby about it, go to

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the actual desert, not live inside
the loudest city ever. Live inside the

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sphere is an interesting I would do
that solution. Yeah, it's really neat.

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I even did an interview and the
sphere was behind me and I was

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like, oh, the little smiley
face comes on like while I'm doing this

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interview. It's like, why is
just like last Veggas. There's a big

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basketball, there's a big eyeball,
there's big like like a sub zero ice

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stuff, but like the yellow like
it looks like a sunny side up egg.

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Is kind of the iconic face that
I don't feel like that. Just

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a yellow sphere with it's got two
why's and he's like looking around, he

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like sticks his tongue out. He's
katy. This was the sphere? Have

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you been living under your wife's pussy
for like the last two weeks? How

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did you not know? Okay?
First, yes, Second, I don't

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go on social media more solf.
People were like making jokes, but oh,

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do you go to see the sphere
is the thing in Vegas? We

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gotta go see it? Oh fucking
take tax Sofie do the prayer at the

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these on and star and cuts to
a post. It's not cool. I'll

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go to this fair God's blue cells
or whatever it's called. Worried about his

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voice and this is the most like
extended weird voice bits i've seen him do.

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I don't do voices annoying. Oh
my god, put it on X.

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We'll get some, get some like
X. This might get my blue

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check mark. It's well known in
social media discourse that the sphere is crazy

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because you two played a concert in
it. And the inside of the sphere

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like completely changed visually, even looks
like the ceiling is collapsing. It takes

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you to other realms because it's the
shape of the sphere, it looks like

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it has no limit, and so
it's just kind of instead of streaming,

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it just looks like you're completely changing
location. God damn it. Okay,

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I definitely read about the you two
thing. I just don't think i've ever

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actually, like Google image searched all
the different things it's they've done with it.

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Oh, I've got in my way
like a dozen times to just look

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at what the sphere is doing.
Crazy. Is there like a live feeder?

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You could look at it right,
It's no. But I'll just like

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search Twitter and just be like Las
Vegas spear and you'll see a bunch of

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clips of like, oh, here's
what it looks like from the highway.

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Here's what it looks like from an
airplane. Here's Okay, the NBA Sphere

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NBA two K twenty four made it
a giant basketball yep, yep, it

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was a big up lantern. It's
big tennis ball. What is this just

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a big smiley? But Microsoft released
like a bunch of Xbox ads on it,

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and the Xbox ads are wild on
the sphere and I bet you could

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find those and they look really good. Those Oh it's the the like logo

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that's Spider Man. It like opens
the X like opens on the sphere,

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so it looks like you're going in
the sphere. It's really smart. I

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don't know, like you know,
in modern day advertising, right, we're

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like humans. Most of us are
getting absolutely disgustingly sick of ads, right

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and we're doing our best to avoid
them at any given moment. This sphere

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has done such a great job at
being this like incredible ad that we kind

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of enjoy because it's a spectacle and
it looks neat and it's a massive amount

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of real estate. It's huge.
It's a huge half a sphere. I'll

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go to Vegas and I'll just stare
at ads for as long as you want.

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If I can be here with that
sphere and look just right in my

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veins, I capitalism. It is
capitalism. We and we're talking about it

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and it's winning. The other thing
that I did that I have to talk

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to you about is have you ever
been to Area fifteen in Vegas? Is

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that a non alien one. It
is a joke because of area fifty one

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flips. I would say, I
actually don't know how to describe it.

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I would say it's like a club, and then it has interactive environments.

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So I have sex with an alien. Yeah, yeah, it's like one

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of its options, and you know, and then like this thing for bike

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around and stuff from the planet.
This is important. It doesn't exist.

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It's a joke. There's the easy
joke. Yeah, it's too lazy,

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though. We won't we will do
it. We won't do it. We

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can do better. Yeah. Also, no jokes, no jokes. I

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just want to know which planet the
aliens you're having sex with an area It

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doesn't exist yet. It's the planet
from Total Recall with the lady with three

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boobs. Oh, Mars, wait, I thought that was a fake planet.

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I forgot. You know that movie
too? Well, all right,

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ship okay, Mars, I forgot
that it is a real planet. Is

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there a woman with three boobs in
Kunk Pow enter the fist as well,

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not as notably as Total Recall?
If she is total it's iconic and it's

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got like eight and it's got like
eight utters. I think it was Kunk

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Power into the fist where there's a
woman with three boobs and there's the guy

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and in the l dub he's sneaking
into the dojo and he's just singing like

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no no no, no neo no
no none no spoorin. It's the stupidest

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bit I've ever seen in my life. I think she has one boob,

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it's the opposite, fewer boobs and
two. I think it's one in the

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center. Oh that's hotter, but
I can I think three is hotter.

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One is hotter, three is hotter. I want, I want like a

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boob cyclops staring at me. You
guys are both freaks. I'm gonna move

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on. I I understand that we've
all agreed. Uh So, Area fifteen

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has these interactive areas in it,
and there's this one called Omega Mart and

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you walk in it and it's basically
a shopping grocery store, but it's slightly

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off, so the eye will be
really weird, where like it'll tell you

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where the dairy aisle is and then
the grocery goods, but then it'll say

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like existential crisis. Sometimes the prices
will be really absurd, so things are

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just slightly weird about it. Like
there's something off about this mart. And

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then if you go to the frozen
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frozen section opens and it's a portal
to like another world, and it starts

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to kind of unravel into this very
unique and different universe that's all been constructed

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around the Omega Mart. And I
actually don't want to spoil it because it's

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so fascinating and so interesting. But
this is probably one of the most wild

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experiences I have ever had in my
life, walking around this space and realizing

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how big it is and how vast
it is, and how you have to

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like crawl in it and like climb
up it, and you're just going into

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a different world. All that is
under the guise of like a shopping mark.

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I'm looking at pictures and this looks
really really cool to me. You

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gotta go. I mean, I
think it's worth going to Vegas alone.

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That's I don't know how else to
better sell it. Everyone should go to

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Vegas and see it. I accidentally
wind up in Vegas every once in a

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while for something, and this is
going to go to the top of my

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list because like this looks like weird. Like I don't know if you ever

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went to the Robot restaurant in Japan
or anything. Yes, yeah, like

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that type of weird, just like
light Show, Black Lightscause, crazy shit

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everywhere, Like, yeah, I
want to go here. And as a

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gamer, I think you will really
appreciate that they've even kind of gamified it

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a little bit where sometimes they will
give you there's there's like actors walking around

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that are in on it, and
they'll give you like little hints and clues.

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There's a total underlying story that's going
on that you can solve and figure

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out if you understand all the pieces
of the puzzle, like sleep no More.

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But yeah, And I think it
looks like it's begging for people to

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be very high and go to this. It's absolutely a drug taker's dream,

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but you don't need to take drugs
to really appreciate what they have done here.

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I think it is the most creative
space I have seen designed for people

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to just explore and run around in. And so I just wanted to throw

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that out there. I was not
prepared. I had not heard a lot

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about this. I encourage you to
not google it or look it up.

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You will probably be tempted. It
is my advice that the next time you're

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in Vegas, to go and just
enjoy Omegabart at Area fifteen and then tell

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other people to go, but don't
tell them what happens. All right,

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I'm incredibly intrigued in kay okay good. I could not believe it, how

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amazing it was. I just I
thought it was the greatest thing. Awesome.

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So I've never been in Vegas.
Vegas is interesting. I yeah,

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no, wonder you haven't heard of
the very weirdo Dice. Never been to

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I've never been to Dice either.
Maybe that's why, because that's usually and

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twitch Con is never twitch Con has
never been in Vegas. Yeah, you

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had no reason to go, obviously. It's such a it's such a bucket

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list place. I know it's not
for everybody. There's a lot of people

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who would not enjoy vacationing in Vegas, but I think it makes sense for

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everyone to at least see it because
it's a real spectacle. Yeah, all

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the lights and the strip, it's
wild. I'm sure i'd have some fun.

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Like, I'm not itching to go. I also took elon Musk's loop.

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Oh my god, wait that thing
is like actively like is that La

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Vegas? Oh? It's active.
It's uh, it's I did the short

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round. So I think he's made
huge promises of where it will go.

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But I did from the Hilton Hotel
to the convention Center. The original promise

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from Musk was that it would take
you from hotels to the convention center really

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quickly and efficiently. Well, I
thought it was from La to Vegas was

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the thing. That's his promise,
But that's not where it happened. I

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don't know. I will tell you, like, I'm not a huge fan

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of that man, but the loop
slaps really How quick is it from the

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Hilton to the convention Center? So
walking it can take easily an hour?

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No, yeah, I five minutes, and unlike getting an uber, they're

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just waiting for you. There's like
six teslas and as soon as you scan

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your little barcode, you just sit
in a Tesla and it drives you in

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these underground tunnels to the convention center. And because the tunnels are all one

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way, there's no traffic, so
you never stop. It's just a straight

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shoot to the convention Center. I
forgot it was car. I think I

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thought it was like an underground mono
rail. So yeah, would' that makes

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more sense. It's not. It's
Tesla cars, individual Tesla cars. Yeah.

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The original thing was the air compressed
train underground. Yes, he replaced

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it with Tesla cars and it works. It works pretty well. I will

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say, like, you are correct. I cannot argue with you. A

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train or monorail system is much better
for the environment. It's better for like

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how many people you can get.
He's doing it with Tesla's. But now

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I'm sitting in a Tesla by myself, enjoying this ride completely by myself,

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and it's are you in the back, yes, but if you have three

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people, you can have someone sit
in the front. It works like an

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uber, right, But it's five
minutes. It's so fast and easy.

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That's pretty sure. If I hate
to admit that, because I know I

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said the same thing, I said
the same thing I said, I don't

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like this guy. Uh, five
bucks for a whole day pass what I

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told you. I'm gonna sell you
on Omega mart and on Musk stupid loop

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in the city where everyone's drunk all
the time and you up into a thing

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and like and they're digging it.
They're digging it to the airport. So

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if anyone has been to Vegas can
tell you going to and from the airport

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sucks. Balls. It just sucks. It's not a Gratis sucks. Yeah,

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it does suck. This loop is
supposed to go to the airport,

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so then you can just immediately get
your very fast tesla all the way to

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your hotel. Five bucks. Dammit, that actually sounds pretty good. I

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know. It's like the worst person
you know just made a great loop.

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He's tried a hundred things that I'll
suck ass and don't work, and like

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this one actually sounds pretty good.
It's cool. It also is lit with

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like Neon RGB lights, so it's
kind of like a gamer's delight. When

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you go into the tunnel, it
feels like a really boring ride. Isn't

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like you're inside a graphics card.
It feels like you're, yeah, okay,

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it's smooth. I took my parents
on it and they were like,

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oh, it's like we're riding a
little roller coaster. It's really you know,

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it's not slow, but it's like
it's really smooth and you're just driving

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in a car, but it makes
you feel like you're in a ride.

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God, I want to go there
with my dad and make him get on

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it. I remember the first time
I got it, showed him uber and

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I was showing him like the live
thing, like that's where the car is

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like, you can't do that,
that's not true, and around the corner

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and he's like, okay, whatever
you used to do, that's some dumb

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that's not really how it works.
And then we got to the place and

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I got out and he's like what
are you doing? And I was like,

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you just get out automatically it does
the pang, so you can't do

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that. I was like, Dad, you do that. He wouldn't leave

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the car. He's like, Dad, it's we're good. And he's like

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he talked to the drivers, are
you okay? Can just he need to

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like pay you. I'm sure he
would love driverless cars going in a loop

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underground, like and you're waiting for
a driver, then it starts moving.

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He's like, what are they doing? He's going to be so free.

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Doubt as technology progresses with all like
the driverless cars and all the stuff that's

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going to happen really soon, just
tap freaking out, you know when you

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like he refuses me to, I
will die on this hill. I will

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not scan a QR code. I
will not tap Mike like his card can

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do it, but he just refuses
to do it. Wait, I think

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we talked about it, but what
does he do At restaurants where they literally

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don't have paper menus anymore? He
will like ask, you know what,

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has they ever not had paper menus? Now? They usually like have one

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something or even like high of the
pandemic, they would like bring something out

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for him. You know, he
orders chicken fingers because he knows they exist

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on their menu. Yes, the
old faithful. I mean I've literally seen

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him order drinks at bars but I
don't care. Just give me something that's

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brown and I'm drinking it makes me
go ah. The bartender has to decipher

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okay, whiskey. I guess you
walk absinthe, but with whiskey, I

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don't know. Uh I have Yeah. I went to Key West for the

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first time recently. Was it cool? Where is that panhandle? Is that

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no way way? It's like ninety
miles from Havana, so like it's the

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chain of islands, like way off
the Southwest tip. I see a lot

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of people go to Miami and then
dry but we just went right to Key

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West. Someone at your wedding asked
me where you were going for your honeymoon,

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and I was like, Oh,
they're doing like a baby moon because

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they're doing like a bigger honeymoon next
year when they can actually go to Europe

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or something. And they were like, Oh, what are they doing for

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their baby moon? And I was
like, I'm pretty sure they're just like

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staying in New York. And I
told multiple family members of yours that you

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were just hanging out and I was
like, I'm pretty sure they're just like

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staying in Hoboken and like you went
to Key West and I was like,

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Oh, I have no idea what
I'm talking about. Yeah, we went

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five minute around Hoboken looking for you
because Mary said that's where you were.

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I'm pretty sure. I told multiple
people you were staying in New York.

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No, we didn't. It was
it was fun. Well, that's just

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that we didn't plan like anything.
It's a we got up every day.

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We're at the hotel right like southernmost
tip of the continental United States. We

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got up, rented bikes from the
hotel for the day, went up to

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get Cuban coffee up in the marina
on the north side of the island.

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It's a big like breakfast town.
Because get this, it's known for just

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wild chickens that roam around the island
and the hotel and they come in and

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they're like you know how when you're
in central park or like a an urban

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park where the squirrels are not afraid
of humans and they just kind of hang

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out among them. That's how chickens
are at Key West, And so they

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would just come next to the hotel
pool while we're hanging out or like on

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the ocean or in restaurants, and
chickens would kind of like strut through can

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just like Zelda can they what swim? Yeah, they kind of avoided the

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water. But there's also pelicans and
I bet you their breasts float, you

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know, Like chickens are really like
puffy in the chest area. I bet

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close. But they cock or crow
at the doesn't when the sun's coming up

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of a morning. So we would
wake up pretty early and then go get

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cub and coffee, breakfast, come
back down, hang by the pool or

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ocean for like five or six hours
and not through shit and go there's three

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bars here we could like swim up
to. Basically, Uh, it's like

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all inclusive, yeah, sort of
because we didn't realize it wasn't really a

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resort like you might go to in
Mexico. It was more just like a

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collection of hotels that shared these pools
and bars. But then every night we

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went out to new restaurant. It's
a lot of good Cuban food around there,

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because you can kind of, like
I Amanda is something you can kind

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of if you strain your eyes see
Cuba. But it was fun. A

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lot of good cigars from Cuba.
They were there. It was great,

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just hung out and then came back
and uh was sick immediately when we got

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back. Ah, too much,
too much wedding and it's like, take

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you like a ton of bricks.
Yeah, social expenditure. I was like

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I said, it was all.
It was all a blast, but oh

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my god, yeah, drain me
for sure. I got that extroverted.

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But it I was dead when I
did, when I was done with twitch

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Con. This is the true story. And I remember the streamers, so

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I feel like they'll be cool about
it. But I remember, like when

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the con wrapped six pm on Sunday. This is a three day con,

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and anyone who understands like E three
no's three days is a long time to

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be on and wake up at you
know, six in the morning and go

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to bed at midnight. You can
only do that so many times before you

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want to crack. And at six
pm the con wraps and I'm walking over

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to elon Musk's Loop to take my
smooth ride back to my hotel, and

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I see at the corner of my
eye two streamers that I know quite well

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coming over to the loop to take
it back to their hotel, and I

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went, God, damn it,
I don't want to even run with anyone

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because I'm done, Like I've my
social meter was capped, and I felt

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like I had had been done.
And they're very sweet, and they came

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up to me and they were like, hey, Mary, like so good

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to see you. And I was
like, I was gonna, like the

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set the tone right now with you. They get the phone away from me.

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I'm on vacation and I I am
gonna ride this alone, and they

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were like, okay, got in
the car and I shut the door and

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I went I think I was rude, but I also think I handled that

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really well. And then I just
like sat in the uber alone and went,

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ah, they so nice. I
can do whatever I want. I

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can see whatever I want and nobody
can say anything to me. I needed

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it, Like I was done.
I was like completely capped at that point.

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What is your move? Because I've
run into this a lot where it's

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like, you know, you're up
early or you're hungover something, and you've

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got like an hour plus uber to
the airport and you get in and they

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are just you can immediately tell it's
like full on chatty mode and it's just

408
00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:56.640
like I feel so rude, just
you know, be like, oh,

409
00:28:56.680 --> 00:29:00.240
hey, I'm gonna like I've never
been able to be. Hey, I'm

410
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:02.720
gonna close my eyes. I'm not
gonna talk or anything. Like do you

411
00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:04.119
have a line that you say that
you don't feel like an asshole about?

412
00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:08.839
I do? I do? I
always say I'm gonna level with you.

413
00:29:11.079 --> 00:29:15.799
I have completely used up all of
my social energy and I do not want

414
00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:19.599
to be rude to you, but
I have nothing left to give you.

415
00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:22.799
You like to the driver like right
when you Yeah, I have nothing left.

416
00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:26.279
I can't I can't even have this
conversation. But I appreciate you,

417
00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:30.000
and I'm gonna sit here in silence
now. But I think if you start

418
00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:34.960
this is like my experience if you
start by saying I am socially drained and

419
00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:40.759
I have nothing left. I have
nothing left in the tank. Everybody knows

420
00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:45.160
what it feels like to be mentally
exhausted, and so if you can appeal

421
00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:48.720
to them on the sense that like
I am mentally exhausted and I don't have

422
00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:52.960
any more, we empathy should kick
in and they should be like, oh,

423
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:55.680
I get it, Like you're done. I think I do the worst

424
00:29:55.759 --> 00:29:57.720
possible thing in those circumstances because I
get in and instead of doing that,

425
00:29:57.920 --> 00:30:02.279
I like it's my nature to like
just be probably laugh and look at your

426
00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:06.680
phone, like really friendly. I
think I'm from Like my grandpa ran a

427
00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:08.039
grocery mom and pop grocery store,
and he was just like, oh hey,

428
00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:11.359
like he knew everyone, Like every
time somebody came in the door,

429
00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:12.799
he's just like I have a whole
conversation, super friendly and all that stuff.

430
00:30:12.920 --> 00:30:15.279
And so like I get in a
car and I was like, hey,

431
00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:15.799
how's it going, Yeah, all
right, thanks, you know,

432
00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:21.119
thanks going to the airport, and
like I'm really like social and happy,

433
00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:23.240
and uh, I think they pick
up on that and keep trying to talk

434
00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:27.039
to me, and I should just
shut up more just put your like you

435
00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:30.000
put headphones in and say I'm so
sorry, I'm gonna call and just like

436
00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:34.000
you're on. But no, didn't
they add an option recently to one of

437
00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:37.160
them that you can say some of
them they do and I just want Uber

438
00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:41.960
comfort or something you can say,
like conversation prepar I've seen that pop up.

439
00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:44.799
It's not every time. It's so
I think it's like a certain Uber

440
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:48.839
I think it's like the fancier one, like Uber Black and Uber Comfort.

441
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:52.319
You can say I want conversation or
I don't want conversation. That has not

442
00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:57.359
deterred people because I have ordered those
and said no conversation, and I've had

443
00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:02.119
a person continuously trying to start conversation
with me. So it's like it's probably

444
00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:04.799
like in their app, and who
knows if they actually saw it. But

445
00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:10.160
I just I mean, I think
it's very nice of you, and I

446
00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:12.599
think it's very dan of you to
say I will muster the energy to do

447
00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:17.319
this. But I also think self
preservation is a universal thing that we all

448
00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:21.319
understand and to express. And this
is why I was really appreciative of those

449
00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:23.839
streamers, because they could have been
like that was pretty rude. Sure,

450
00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:26.440
but they both were like at the
same time, they were both like,

451
00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:32.720
oh, we get it because a
lot of especially streamers, know, when

452
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:36.200
you're on, you're on, and
then you have to regain your energy back

453
00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:40.160
if you're going to do that again. So everybody kind of gets it,

454
00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:45.359
except for really lonely people. It
is super important. Like you know,

455
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:47.960
for instance, like what I do
during the day is a lot of this.

456
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:51.000
It's a lot of sitting here and
talking and being on and so it's

457
00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:52.480
a lot of times, like all
my meetings and shows and everything ended at

458
00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:56.839
like five point twenty five thirty today
and we were going to start at seven,

459
00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:59.920
and so it's just like I have
to eat, but I also just

460
00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:02.000
to walk around the neighborhood. Nothing
in my ears. I'm not gonna listen

461
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:05.839
to podcast. I just need to
walk around and just breathe and just be

462
00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:08.640
off for thirty minutes, just as
like it is literally like a stamina meter

463
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:14.000
has to recharge, you know.
That's like it's funny that back in Seinfeld,

464
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:16.880
that was an episode where Elaine was
like worried about getting a driver using

465
00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:21.920
the company car because she knew he
would talk to her, and she pretends

466
00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:24.000
to be deaf and then he finds
out she's not deaf, and that's that's

467
00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:30.359
so much worse. Yeah, I
consider myself really extroverted. I very rarely

468
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:37.039
have problems in social situations. I
enjoy meeting people and putting myself out there.

469
00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:42.079
Extroverts need recharge just the same.
In fact, I go on like

470
00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:45.480
heavy burnout when I have maxed out. Something that usually happens to me is

471
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:51.000
like if I'm on a stage,
which is a very amount of like extrovert

472
00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:54.640
energy. As soon as it's done, I go into like a private room,

473
00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:58.240
or if I can't find one,
a bathroom, I'll sit there for

474
00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:02.200
twenty minutes. Yeah, and I'll
just sit there alone for a long time,

475
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:05.240
just to take compriss. You don't
have to talk to anyone, don't

476
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:07.400
have to make eye contact with anyone, just fucking recharge. Yes, the

477
00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:12.240
bathroom is my safe space. And
I feel really strongly about that. And

478
00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:15.519
I don't think I think it is
universal. I think we all get that

479
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:20.160
to a degree. But I think
your honesty is your best policy in that

480
00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:22.640
space. And I genuinely think Dan, you can do it in a way

481
00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:24.920
that is not rude. And if
someone thinks you're rude, for saying I

482
00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:29.720
just don't have the energy to have
this conversation right now. That's not a

483
00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:34.079
really nice person anyway, That's true. I had a ride from the airport

484
00:33:34.119 --> 00:33:37.519
this week where you know, I
have a lot of flight anxiety, and

485
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:40.119
so I typically like drink before and
during flights, and it leads to a

486
00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:44.920
lot of like me being like you
know, away from home and like hungover

487
00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:46.759
and anxious. And it's like,
okay, I can't just do this every

488
00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:50.519
time I'm flying. So I did
this last trip. It was three flights,

489
00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:51.759
and I was like, all right, I'm just not going to drink.

490
00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:53.680
So I didn't drink during it.
So I was like higher anxiety than

491
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:57.880
usual just because you know, I'm
just just there, you know, raw

492
00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:02.440
dogging it up there. I guess
I love that term phrase for random things.

493
00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:10.480
I said, no joke, looking
at Mike directly. You knew that

494
00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:15.519
would make me. I was looking
directly. You never would think to say

495
00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:17.719
that. Turn to my wife the
next time we're traveling. I'm gonna roll

496
00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:22.079
dog this one. As the flight
attendant hears me, and the kid in

497
00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:24.880
front of me hears me, no
whiskey. That went as I wanted the

498
00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:29.480
two but yees. So I was
more anxious than usual in that flight.

499
00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:31.800
And I land and I just want
to get back home. And as soon

500
00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:34.800
as I get in, it's just
like it was like late, it was

501
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:37.440
like midnight or something, and I'm
like, I'm just so tired. I

502
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:39.760
just got to go to sleep.
And the guy's like, how much the

503
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:43.679
lift charge you for this? And
I was like I don't know, and

504
00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:45.679
he was check check, I want
to see how what your apps has it

505
00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:49.639
charged you? And I was like
forty dollars and he's like bullshit, and

506
00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:52.000
he just starts going like and I
understand it. It sounds like those coups

507
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:53.840
like lifting uber like fucking the drivers
over. My dad's a driver, Like

508
00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:59.519
I understand that. I'm sympathetic,
but like he is just going into great

509
00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:05.239
detail about like the local ordinance and
the governor and the way the different cities

510
00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:07.360
deal with it, and like it's
like, dude, I feel for you,

511
00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:10.000
this sucks, but like I don't
know what I can give you here.

512
00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:13.360
You know, I don't know what
I give them. A good tip

513
00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:15.280
and everything, but like it's just
like the whole conversations, like I just

514
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:20.039
want to turn my brain off and
just get home, you know. Yeah.

515
00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:22.280
Plus, like the star system,
if someone is talking to you and

516
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:25.840
you can get the sense that they
would be a bit even if you are

517
00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:29.000
honest with them, you get the
sense that they'd be pissed if you did

518
00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:32.159
say something or we're not talkative,
then they could just like yeah, you

519
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:36.840
know yeah, And I don't feel
comfortable giving someone like less stars because they're

520
00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:37.800
talkative, right, like people are
friend. Oh, I'm not saying you

521
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:40.679
would do that. I'm saying no, technically, rate you lower. I

522
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:44.920
get it. I'm just saying,
like on both ends, like the rating

523
00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:49.039
system adds a stress component because you
don't want to be perceived as rude and

524
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:52.000
you don't want to like hurt them
for not being rude and all these things.

525
00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:58.599
Like the rating system is kind of
like our gaming rating system, where

526
00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:04.320
it just seems like rude to not
give the full amount. And when you

527
00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:07.800
even get matt like when the last
time you gave an uber driver three stars,

528
00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:12.760
it's either like five or it's this
person screamed at me and pooped on

529
00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:15.440
the floor so they're getting one,
you know, like it has it's such

530
00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:19.079
an extreme I've given five every time
just because it's just you know, folks

531
00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:21.159
trying to do a job and make
some money. So I always just do

532
00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:23.679
the five even if it wasn't the
best experience. The only time I didn't

533
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:29.599
was I had to go from San
Francisco to San Jose for WrestleMania in twenty

534
00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:32.239
fifteen, and I'm going with me
and two friends and our luggage because we're

535
00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:36.280
gonna be down there the whole weekend. We get in and the uber driver

536
00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:38.960
had a camera, was a girl
or guy, but had their mother in

537
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:43.639
the passenger seat. You're not supposed
to do weekend? No, Yeah,

538
00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:46.920
well she's alive, hopefully, I
believe she was alive. Didn't say anything,

539
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:51.000
but she was just like in the
passenger seat. So us three grown

540
00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:54.480
ass men are it's a very tiny
car and we are shoulder to shoulder and

541
00:36:54.519 --> 00:36:58.880
they won't turn the AC on.
And this is like April and California.

542
00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:01.679
It's like it it's a crammed car
and we are just sweating back there and

543
00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:05.639
it's like what an hour plus drive
or something like that. That's long.

544
00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:07.679
Hey, can you it's possible?
Can we get some air back here?

545
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:12.360
And the driver's like, no,
my mom doesn't want the AC on because

546
00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:15.039
she thinks it's gonna make her get
a cold, like it was gonna make

547
00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:19.960
her sick if he told you,
like, hey, listen, like I

548
00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:22.800
I don't know, Like I can
see a circumstance where like he just has

549
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:25.159
no choice in his like their family
situation, like no one could be like

550
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:29.559
the AC is weird. Yeah,
and also that's not how you get sick.

551
00:37:29.559 --> 00:37:32.199
You don't actually get sick from it
being like an AC car. You

552
00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:37.480
should have debated her. You can't
get sick from AC. Man preserves older

553
00:37:37.519 --> 00:37:42.480
people. I think it's nursing homes
always freezing. Yeah, And she's like,

554
00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:45.599
excuse me, but my social A
battery is really low and I cannot

555
00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:52.159
talk to you. She puts on
full coverage earphones. Dan's like, if

556
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:58.280
this isn't weekend at Bernie's now,
it's about to be old woman. That

557
00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:00.599
was the one time I contacted Uber
and I complained about it, and they

558
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:04.960
gave us a full refund, which
to San Jose was like one hundred and

559
00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:07.920
fifty dollars or something, So it
was like hindsight, that was kind of

560
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:10.000
worth it. I'll ride with an
old lady in the front seat and be

561
00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:15.280
really hot. I don't think I've
ever rated anybody lower than five stars.

562
00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:19.400
I was tempted recently, I did
not. I'd still give him five stars.

563
00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:24.400
Basically, I was going from the
west side, like the village,

564
00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:28.639
back to Hoboken, which anybody who's
around here is like, oh, just

565
00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:30.760
go through the Holland Tunnel. You're
in Jersey City. Go to Arth that's

566
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:34.840
quick. Or go Lincoln Tunnel.
You'll get there. Holland Tunnel has been

567
00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:38.760
construction after ten pm most nights recently, so he had to go up to

568
00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:44.559
the Lincoln Tunnel, which is more
midtown and the because one of the two

569
00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:45.719
main tunnels in the Jersey was closed, the other one was backed up.

570
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:50.639
Understandably, I knew that he must
have known that. So we were in

571
00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:53.440
line basically waiting to get into Lincoln
Tunnel, which is shitty traffic. But

572
00:38:53.559 --> 00:38:58.840
rather than wait what I in my
experience has been like an extra ten minutes

573
00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:01.360
in traffic to get into link In
Tunnel. Don't stuff on that. Don't

574
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:06.480
do it again, I'll do it
u E. He's like, hey,

575
00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:09.800
would you mind if I take the
bridge, and I'm like the George Washington

576
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:15.800
Bridge as in twenty minute bridge,
twenty minutes north of here. I was

577
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:16.199
like, no, no, no, no, don't take that. That

578
00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:19.480
would be like an hour and a
half to get home. He's like,

579
00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:21.119
all right, this is just gonna
take for ever to get in the tunnel.

580
00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:22.119
I's like, I get that,
but like you know we're getting say

581
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:24.639
yeah, and then he asked me
again. He's like, I really think

582
00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:28.679
it'd be quicker. I' was like, I promise you. I knew he

583
00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:30.400
was it from around there because he
like knew it as a potential option.

584
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:32.960
But I'm like, no, dude, look at the map. The bridge

585
00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:36.800
is like in the one hundred and
eighties or whatever. We're not going up

586
00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:39.000
that high. Then we have to
come back down from it, which you've

587
00:39:39.079 --> 00:39:43.400
driven that with me when we went
to Connecticut. Yeah, he did it

588
00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:45.119
anyway, basically as I was like
fading off to a nap because it was

589
00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:47.960
late at night, and then I
wake up and we're just driving up the

590
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:52.400
Hudson River Parkway. I'm like,
are you taking the bridge? He's like

591
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:54.559
yeah, man, it was taking
way too long. It's like fucking an

592
00:39:54.639 --> 00:40:00.000
hour later. We get home,
and it was an extra like eighty dollars

593
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:04.480
on the ride that it didn't predict. So I still gave him like I

594
00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:06.440
didn't rate him low, I still
tipped him. I was like, all

595
00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:08.519
right, he still meant well even
I told him. I was like,

596
00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:13.119
hey, he asked three times if
he could do this route, which I

597
00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:15.840
and he both knew would be super
long, way more money. I told

598
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:20.440
him no three times and they responded
there like we'll refund you, but in

599
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:22.639
the future, please feel free to
tell the driver not to take a certain

600
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:24.559
route. It was like I told
him, did I said in the complete

601
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:29.679
three times? But I still like, I, yeah, I still rated

602
00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:34.039
him five stars and like gave him
tip because he was still trying to get

603
00:40:34.039 --> 00:40:37.840
me home, and it, you
know, suckered him because yeah, he

604
00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:40.559
was doing his best. Yeah,
it still was a shitty ride for him

605
00:40:40.599 --> 00:40:43.199
too. But I was like,
dude, you should have listened to me.

606
00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:45.639
I'm like, I this is yeah, I don't know. That's not

607
00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:50.719
a good experience either. Yeah,
I very you know what happens when I

608
00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:52.800
have a bad experience to the driver. I don't rate them at all because

609
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:57.280
I have anxiety giving them not five
stars. But I'm not going to add

610
00:40:57.280 --> 00:41:00.800
to I don't know you could,
Yeah, I just you can skip?

611
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:05.119
Yeah, ah, I skip it. I had a person who yelled at

612
00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:08.840
me for slamming the door when I
just shut it normally, and I was

613
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:14.800
like, this is the way your
door shuts. Sorry, and then he

614
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:16.360
was just kind of like really rude
the whole time, and he kind of

615
00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:19.880
like sat in the car and he
goes, are you going to be like

616
00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:22.400
this the whole time? And I
was like, are you kidding? Do

617
00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:24.239
you want me to get out?
And he goes, no, I don't

618
00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:29.719
want you to get out. He
drives me home and I get out and

619
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:32.880
you guys know like when I'm heated, I'm rude too, Yeah, everybody

620
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:37.440
around you. So I got out
and I as I like got all my

621
00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:39.679
luggage, I said, just do
you know I'm about to shut your door,

622
00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:43.320
So it might sound like I'm slamming
it, but I'm just shutting it

623
00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:45.400
like a normal person shuts the door. Thanks bye, and like shut it.

624
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:49.079
And then you elbow the window to
shatter it. And then I just

625
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:51.239
take one of the shards and you
walk up to him and put it in.

626
00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:54.360
You're like, yeah, let's check
all of our uber ratings right now.

627
00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:58.199
Okay, who do you think has
the worst? I'm I'm based on

628
00:41:58.239 --> 00:42:00.960
that. I think Mary might have
the worst. I have the worst because

629
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:05.679
I have been a little people before. I was probably an idiot when I

630
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:07.920
was younger, but I am mine. I'm a sweetie pie most of the

631
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:12.119
time. I can add a tip
for Samuel right now and rate him Friday

632
00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:17.079
to two hundred dred. Oh,
I remember that he was good. Where's

633
00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:20.199
okay? I got it all right? I have mine, all right,

634
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:22.079
So you do it. I've got
if you just go to your account button

635
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:30.199
on Uber. Yeah, oh I
am four point eight three four sho.

636
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:37.239
I showed it to my dad since
he's an Uber driver and he's pretty low,

637
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:39.639
and I was like, yeah,
you know how many motherfucking times I've

638
00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:43.519
called an Uber because his ass needs
to go home? And he was yellow,

639
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:45.079
go to Taco Bell, Go to
Taco Bell, and he's like screaming

640
00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:51.639
Taco Bell orders at the driver and
something like the driver. I've been in

641
00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:53.599
so many ubers where the Uber driver
will ask my dad like, what do

642
00:42:53.639 --> 00:42:57.079
you want? And he'll be like, I don't know, just pointed something

643
00:42:57.119 --> 00:43:00.360
on the menu and give me something
cheesy and spicy and whatever some bullshit.

644
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:02.719
It's all good in the driver.
What do you want to just point at

645
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:07.760
the day. It's something brown you
have. Definitely because of my dad,

646
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:14.119
the rating's lower than your That's an
really convenient excuse that you can blame your

647
00:43:14.199 --> 00:43:19.440
farty, loud mouthed asshole dad for
your rating. It's probably because somebody wanted

648
00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:23.280
to talk to you and you were
like, I will forcibly have this bad

649
00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:28.079
conversation, and they were like,
this guy sucks it. Conversing four stars.

650
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:31.599
That's my dad. Yeah, Mary, you know what we have to

651
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:35.840
do now? Talk about video games? No fight to the death, because

652
00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:42.760
we can also talk about you about
I got that transition way wrong and then

653
00:43:42.920 --> 00:43:44.519
one of us is dead. Do
you know what we have to do?

654
00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:47.599
Talk about video games? Yeah,
let's talk abot video games. Mary and

655
00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:52.440
Jan picture this. You're sitting at
your Thanksgiving dinner in a few short weeks

656
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:55.400
and you surprise your family by starting
an argument, I mean discussion in a

657
00:43:55.480 --> 00:44:00.239
new language. Imagine their shock.
Imagine how much you would throw them off.

658
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:02.719
If you start today and get ready
to say pardon my French at Thanksgiving

659
00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:08.039
dinner, then you could know some
conversational French by Thanksgiving. Because of Babel,

660
00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:13.079
you start speaking a new language in
just three weeks, Mary, I

661
00:44:13.119 --> 00:44:15.480
know you've been traveling this year a
lot. Has it helped you out?

662
00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:20.599
Yeah? I think the three weeks
piece is really important because a lot of

663
00:44:20.599 --> 00:44:23.719
the times I'm traveling and then I
forget that I should be learning a new

664
00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:28.280
language, Like when I went to
Paris and I was like, I don't

665
00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:30.840
know any French at all. Three
weeks is a good amount of time for

666
00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:35.719
me to be able to ask where
the bathroom is, where I can get

667
00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:39.400
a good cross all as they say, and just have conversational language. Just

668
00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:44.239
to have that behind me made me
feel a lot more comfortable in my travel

669
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:46.559
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You know what I mean? Uh?

676
00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:17.760
Huh? Yeah, did you hear
that in this card? Huh? Did

677
00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:22.880
my the mic pick up my fart. No, we should did. Yeah,

678
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:27.159
we didn't hear anything. You didn't
hear anything. Nobody heard anything.

679
00:45:27.559 --> 00:45:36.679
M m m mmmmm mm hmmmm.
Have we all played Ellen Wake two.

680
00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:40.079
Let's get into it, Jesus,
here we go. All right, Uh,

681
00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:44.239
we're back after the part where I
fart in the mic. Yeah,

682
00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:45.880
cut that out. If you can
normalize it, cand of kind of bump

683
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:49.840
it up a little bit, that'd
be great. Yeah, isolate it.

684
00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:53.480
Let's do a quick hour count here
where we think we're at. I'm probably

685
00:45:53.840 --> 00:46:00.800
six hours in. Yeah, I
know where I'm at based on Okay,

686
00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:05.480
I'll subtract a few hours based on
idle time. Okay, let's say I'm

687
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:08.719
twenty four I'm in what I know
to be the last, the end,

688
00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:15.199
twenty four hours. I've collected everything
I possibly can. Oh my okay,

689
00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:22.159
Mary, I think I have played
six or seven hours. And I bet

690
00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:29.280
you I am way behind you,
Dan, because I can't fucking figure out

691
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:31.599
this game. Oh, Rock Rock
Tree. I was on for a fucking

692
00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:35.679
hour. Dan. You got out
a roll that night and you asked me

693
00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:37.000
that, and I was like,
yeah, it took me a bit.

694
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:39.960
Just go across the stream and it's
on the rock facing the puzzle, but

695
00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:45.760
what's a rock? Rock tree?
Was the one in the forest where Okay,

696
00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:50.519
by the way, everyone, this
is a spoiler e game. We're

697
00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:53.960
not going to give super spoilery story
details, nothing story, but we'll be

698
00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:57.639
talking about things about the game that
if you're worried about it, just skip

699
00:46:57.679 --> 00:47:00.960
this. Well, well really quick
before we into it. Let me say,

700
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:07.639
I fucking adore this game with like
so fucking much. It's very recent.

701
00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:09.159
I don't want recncy bias to creep
into this. Definitely one of my

702
00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:14.599
favorite games of the year, though
feels like it was. It's just like

703
00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:19.039
control like most of their games.
At Remedy, feels like it was designed

704
00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:24.519
to obsess you, and it's atmosphere
the Twin Peaks meets True Detective Season one

705
00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:30.239
meets Resnuval four meets Resuval two remake
vibes of Saga's half and then the dreamlike

706
00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:36.480
surreal horror New York City subway hotel, hard boiled Detective shit of Alan's side,

707
00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:38.199
just like you think they would clash, but then they mesh really well.

708
00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:44.000
They're doing like three pretty daring design
things with the whole structure of the

709
00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:46.760
game. I think it's incredible,
not at all perfect, It's still they're

710
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:52.599
updating it pretty freakingly. I we
got code like four days before. In

711
00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:58.039
five days before embargo, they delayed
it a couple of times. There are

712
00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:02.840
definitely some bugs, regardless, I'm
and not all the puzzles are super intuitive,

713
00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:06.800
but I still think by and large
the puzzles are still great. I

714
00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:09.639
think there are there are definitely numerous
problems. There are whole mechanics that I

715
00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:13.800
wasn't super hot on, like the
light switching thing, if you know what

716
00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:19.519
that is. With Alan that I
was found more annoying than fun. But

717
00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:22.280
I was not a super big fan
of the first one. I loved the

718
00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:25.159
tone, I loved the whole twin
Peaks thing, the very lynchy vibes and

719
00:48:25.159 --> 00:48:30.000
all that stuff, But like a
lot of remedy games, I didn't really

720
00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:32.039
like playing it, you know,
I didn't. I thought Control was the

721
00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:37.199
best yet, but I was I
didn't love playing allan Wake one. You

722
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:39.800
know, the action did not do
it for me. But yeah, this

723
00:48:40.039 --> 00:48:45.239
does seem to take some cues from
Risen Evil too, and the boldness,

724
00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:47.880
which with how they approached the story
is what got me and you know,

725
00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:52.079
I'm not a story guy in games, and I didn't even really care about

726
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:52.880
the story of the first one,
so I kind of expected to, like,

727
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:54.639
you know, fall off this or
not. You know, he played

728
00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:58.119
for an hour two so I could
talk about it and be done. I'm

729
00:48:58.239 --> 00:49:00.360
all the way in on the story. I think part of it is the

730
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:05.719
way they tell it. Where every
other game ever, and I'm talking about

731
00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:07.960
like Kajima too, you know,
who's the most cinematic you know, game

732
00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:12.920
maker ever blah blah blah or whatever. He has been trying to make games

733
00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:15.480
feel like movies. I feel like, you know, from the first meddle

734
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:16.719
of your solid it's like, oh, it's like I'm playing an action movie.

735
00:49:17.239 --> 00:49:21.280
Alan Wake two is the first time
I've played a game where it's like,

736
00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:25.119
oh, this isn't a game trying
to be a prestige drama, you

737
00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:30.280
know, Last of Us type situation. It is telling its story in a

738
00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:34.960
way that could only be told via
an interactive medium, and it's making it

739
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:37.800
work in the way that the whole
like mind place gimmick with saga for if

740
00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:40.800
you don't know, you can go
into basically like a corkboard type you know,

741
00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:45.880
putting the case together, that visual
element of it and being able to

742
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:50.119
go back and forth immediately from any
location, and then they introduce stuff later

743
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:52.760
on with Alan, with how he
interacts with the story and everything. It

744
00:49:52.880 --> 00:49:57.599
is so video gaming, but it
gets me so much more invested in the

745
00:49:57.639 --> 00:50:00.440
story than a game where I'm just
watching a cut or listening to a conversation

746
00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:04.880
or something like that. Like I
am, I am blown away with how

747
00:50:04.920 --> 00:50:09.679
well they present the story. Yeah, I'm obsessing over every dialogue, every

748
00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:15.599
journal entry, every audio diary.
I'm I'm getting very into those. If

749
00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:19.039
you've played anything by Remedy, you
can probably imagine there's some cool, funny

750
00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:23.239
live action stuff. Have either of
you if I mentioned the chapter name we

751
00:50:23.320 --> 00:50:29.199
sing on Allen's side, no,
go, oh my god. I've heard

752
00:50:29.239 --> 00:50:31.840
a lot of alluding to like a
fifteen minute stretch the game. I wrote

753
00:50:31.880 --> 00:50:37.360
a thing on Polygon about how it's
probably my favorite fifteen minute stretch since the

754
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:43.599
Ashtray Mays in. I wouldn't say
it's on the same level as the Ashray

755
00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:45.079
may specifically because the ash Ray Mays
is toward the end of control, like

756
00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:47.320
it builds up to that you keep
going back to, how the fuck this

757
00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:53.760
happens maybe a third of the way
into Allen's storyline. I got to be

758
00:50:54.079 --> 00:50:58.800
real close to it. I think
you've Yeah, okay, have you.

759
00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:02.320
I don't think it'll be a spoiler
if I asked, have you? You

760
00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:07.239
know you can switch back and forth
between the characters. I have not gotten

761
00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:09.800
to the point where you can do
that. I'm but you know, you

762
00:51:09.880 --> 00:51:13.039
know that you can. I know
that you can. I'm at the point

763
00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:15.800
where they are in the same space
now in talking to each other, so

764
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:19.400
I'm expecting that to happen. Any
okay, gotcha. You know it's like,

765
00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:24.039
imagine if instead of doing like a
leon A scenario Claire B, you're

766
00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:28.480
playing them kind of jumping back and
forth between them, except they're in They're

767
00:51:28.519 --> 00:51:31.480
not both in the police station and
Raccoon City. They're in completely literally they

768
00:51:31.599 --> 00:51:36.800
they phrase it as different realities,
and they're two completely different vibes. Like

769
00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:40.079
they share similar like the Last of
Us Part two Resunual four kind of mechanics,

770
00:51:40.119 --> 00:51:45.880
but they also both have their own, like puzzle conceits and level design

771
00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:53.039
tricks. Yeah. I'm absolutely excuse
me, obsessed with this game. When

772
00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:57.360
you switch to one once you get
to that point and you switch from Alan

773
00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:00.679
Tosaga. Is time effectively like if
you're an in the middle of a fight,

774
00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:04.000
can you do it? And does
time keep moving for the other character?

775
00:52:05.400 --> 00:52:09.760
No action swapping aloud? No,
it's it's specific. It's in save

776
00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:12.639
rooms. You have to go to
a save room to do it. To

777
00:52:12.679 --> 00:52:15.840
go to the others. Oh okay, what about quick save rooms when it's

778
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:19.800
the coffee cup, that's where they
put it's you. I won't spoil how

779
00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:22.880
like what you interact with, but
it's kind of a cool callback to control.

780
00:52:24.079 --> 00:52:32.320
It was other callbacks to control,
like the the cleaning guy. A

781
00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:37.400
lot of documents from the FBC and
there's there's a lot Yeah what remember in

782
00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:42.880
God No that man, we should
do a spoiler casts game when you guys

783
00:52:42.880 --> 00:52:45.679
finish it. I don't think I'm
ever going to finish it. I'm too

784
00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:50.360
stupid. It took me so long
to get through the witches teat area.

785
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:58.800
I could not solve that space,
which is La whatever, Like what's it's

786
00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:02.280
like, what the is the Kojima
Silent Hills thing o PT. It's kind

787
00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:06.960
of PT like looping, not that
complicated, but you definitely need to like

788
00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:10.480
just go the other direction. Something
maybe to you. I got so stuck.

789
00:53:12.280 --> 00:53:15.679
That's why I'm curious about rock Rock
Tree or whatever, because I,

790
00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:21.639
okay, you know the area where
uh in, which is Ladle. There's

791
00:53:21.679 --> 00:53:27.960
like a shining light and the game
prompts you to shine your flashlight. Oh

792
00:53:28.039 --> 00:53:32.880
the focused like RB thing. I
didn't get a prompt or I can't read

793
00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:37.199
because I didn't know what to do, and I kept going up to that

794
00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:40.599
shining light and nothing happened, and
I ended up like walking around for forty

795
00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:45.079
five minutes trying to know what I
was supposed to do. And I got

796
00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:50.639
so frustrated and looked up a guide
and figured out that I was supposed to

797
00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:53.519
do something in my thought palace before
I was allowed to get that prompt.

798
00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:57.360
Honestly, it wouldn't shock me if
you didn't get the prompt, because I

799
00:53:57.360 --> 00:54:00.480
have had prompt based weirdness between like
some titles have been weird and like jumping

800
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:04.320
all over each other. I've had
some that won't go away, like anytime

801
00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:06.119
I go to a new area,
I'll get the same, Like points of

802
00:54:06.159 --> 00:54:08.320
interest on the map can bla like
it's I. There's been some weirdness with

803
00:54:08.360 --> 00:54:12.000
that UI stuff. So wouldn't it
might not be on you there. I

804
00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:14.679
want it. I really want to
like this game. I think there's really

805
00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:17.880
cool stuff going on, but it
makes me feel like a freaking idiot when

806
00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:22.599
I'm running around going what am I
supposed to do? And it turns out

807
00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:28.119
I have a new polaroid in my
thought palace that needs to be like connected

808
00:54:28.159 --> 00:54:34.280
to the heart with the text on
it so that a scene happens, and

809
00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:37.719
I don't know all of those pieces. So when I'm doing something out of

810
00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:40.320
order, which happens all the time, I cannot tell you how many times

811
00:54:40.360 --> 00:54:45.559
I've seen something but I wasn't supposed
to see it yet. I am confused

812
00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:49.039
because I've already been that to that
place, and I'll be like, I've

813
00:54:49.039 --> 00:54:52.199
already covered that area. I've already
been to the Witch's house. But it

814
00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:55.199
turns out you have to go to
the witch's house again because you need to

815
00:54:55.239 --> 00:54:59.159
get turned the light on and you
need to have a fuse. And it's

816
00:54:59.199 --> 00:55:04.119
just like I ran around for you
guys. I ran around for over an

817
00:55:04.199 --> 00:55:07.079
hour, like not understanding what I
was supposed to do. I got so

818
00:55:07.119 --> 00:55:09.199
frustrated. I looked up a guide
and did it. Like by the guide,

819
00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:13.800
I did end up doing it,
but it doesn't feel good to use

820
00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:15.360
a guide for that game. The
whole point of that game is that,

821
00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:21.960
like it's it's teasing you these story
plot points piece by piece, but I

822
00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:25.320
missed one and then everything was out
of order? What are you playing?

823
00:55:27.719 --> 00:55:30.559
PC? And I did? I
will say I started with a game pad

824
00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:32.119
and then I was like this sucks, and I switched to mouse and keyboard.

825
00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:36.239
It's way easier on a mouse keyboard. Yeah, it sounds like PC

826
00:55:36.400 --> 00:55:38.840
is having the most issues right now. Unfortunately I had a lot of issues.

827
00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:43.280
I played on PS five and I'm
playing it like late at night with

828
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:49.440
just me with headphones, so like
it's I definitely had a few issues which

829
00:55:49.519 --> 00:55:52.519
definitely hindered me where I had to
like reload a save what's annoying? And

830
00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:54.440
that definitely I could see absolutely how
that would fuck with Like if you don't

831
00:55:54.480 --> 00:55:59.119
hear saga say the right thing,
or if the little logo at the bottom

832
00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:01.199
left with the yellows and like the
folder doesn't pop up to tell you,

833
00:56:01.239 --> 00:56:05.320
hey, you should go to your
mind place and fuck around with the case

834
00:56:05.360 --> 00:56:10.000
board or the profiling or weapon upgrades, et cetera. That would mess me

835
00:56:10.079 --> 00:56:15.719
up. I think I had like
one of the best experiences of anybody I've

836
00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:19.480
heard. I just got lucky with
one of those things, and jealous I

837
00:56:19.559 --> 00:56:23.239
want that experience. I kept getting
lost. I've been lost more than I

838
00:56:23.320 --> 00:56:28.960
have been found. I spent a
whole night or like maybe two hours texting

839
00:56:29.360 --> 00:56:31.079
Mike as we're playing pre release,
so I couldn't look up a guide.

840
00:56:31.320 --> 00:56:34.800
What the punt is rock rock Tree? Where's I get the concept? But

841
00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:37.440
where's the third fucking thing? Like
a lot of them, why can't I

842
00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:38.840
do this? I put these pieces
down on the polaroids and this popped up

843
00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:44.239
and nothing changed, and so it's
not clear sometimes, and honestly, some

844
00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:46.760
of that gets worse. I really
don't like the Allen stuff, with some

845
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:52.599
of his like navigation stuff. But
that first couple hours as Saga, going

846
00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:58.480
through like rainy woods at night as
a naked there's a naked dude. My

847
00:56:58.559 --> 00:57:02.400
first feel playing Bunks out of Town. I'm just here with the dogs.

848
00:57:02.440 --> 00:57:06.519
I turn off all the lights.
I'm in this room. This window right

849
00:57:06.519 --> 00:57:10.239
here to my right just looks out
to the woods and like a pond and

850
00:57:10.239 --> 00:57:14.400
stuff. And it was dark and
it was raining as I was playing it.

851
00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:19.519
So it was like the most just
forty I don't know how you want

852
00:57:19.519 --> 00:57:21.840
to call it, but like I
felt like I was like in this game

853
00:57:22.079 --> 00:57:23.239
and it was spooky, and I
was the only one in the house,

854
00:57:23.599 --> 00:57:29.079
and those first few days were incredible. I did fall off a little bit

855
00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:32.400
with the Allen stuff, his gimmick, with the way the story goes.

856
00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:38.039
It's different than the like mind Place, polaroids stuff and all that. I'm

857
00:57:38.079 --> 00:57:40.800
fairly early on in that, Mike, I know you're past this. I'm

858
00:57:40.840 --> 00:57:45.320
curious to see if that kind of
holds water, if that stays as interesting

859
00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:49.320
the Saga stuff. I don't think
it's a spoiler to talk about how his

860
00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:57.199
writer's room works. It's his mind
Place equivalent palace, Like well, no,

861
00:57:57.239 --> 00:57:59.920
it's like, what's it isn't that
disco Elysium calls it the mind pa,

862
00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:02.679
it's the game. We have to
read too much. Yeah, I

863
00:58:02.679 --> 00:58:08.519
didn't play that too much. Talky. So Alan Sagas they have two like

864
00:58:08.599 --> 00:58:14.440
different, very different structural conceits.
Hers is more traditional survival horror. However,

865
00:58:14.559 --> 00:58:17.480
she also has this like once she
kind of into it, something about

866
00:58:17.480 --> 00:58:23.119
a person. You go to her
profiling table and she like they talk about

867
00:58:23.800 --> 00:58:27.559
without spoiling it. Basically you're like, oh, she has like some sort

868
00:58:27.559 --> 00:58:32.079
of supernatural power of intuition to like
read in on one thing. They said,

869
00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:35.480
like, oh shit, they're hiding
something in their pocket right now.

870
00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:40.360
She's like a mentalist Alan, and
she also has way more collectible to find,

871
00:58:40.360 --> 00:58:45.159
like the cult stashes, but she's
doing like the Charlie Kelly Yarnborn board

872
00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:55.559
to connect the dots. In certain
cases, Alan basically gets an item that

873
00:58:57.599 --> 00:59:00.679
his is very much about light and
darkness and manipulating the environment through that.

874
00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:06.599
However, there's a different there's a
second layer where he goes into an environment

875
00:59:06.599 --> 00:59:09.199
where it's like a dead end.
Say, there are also these things called

876
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:15.880
echoes, which are basically echoes of
a thing that he supposedly wrote that he

877
00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:17.599
doesn't remember, and then you kind
of see them play out in these live

878
00:59:17.639 --> 00:59:22.280
action overlays. He'll get an idea
from that, and then you go back

879
00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:27.159
to his writer's room to change the
plot on his like chalkboard, which actually

880
00:59:27.280 --> 00:59:30.599
changes the level design you're standing in. Yeah, like an element of like,

881
00:59:30.639 --> 00:59:32.239
okay, he learned about like a
like a cult or whatever. It's

882
00:59:32.239 --> 00:59:35.000
like, oh, what if I
went back to this area here, and

883
00:59:35.039 --> 00:59:37.199
I wrote the cult into this area. Yeah, and it changes the things

884
00:59:37.199 --> 00:59:42.199
that he's getting in the world.
It's cool conceptually, I would say eighty

885
00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:44.599
percent of the time, I thought
it was pretty intuitive how they used it.

886
00:59:44.599 --> 00:59:49.440
However, there were definitely a couple
spots today, literally this morning,

887
00:59:50.360 --> 00:59:53.360
toward the very end of his story, there was one. Once I solved

888
00:59:53.360 --> 00:59:57.440
it and like, okay, I
see how remedy was kind of signposting what

889
00:59:57.480 --> 01:00:02.039
I was supposed to do. I
will say the puzzle in this game,

890
01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:09.199
by and large are actually I think
they are smarter than I was thinking they

891
01:00:09.239 --> 01:00:14.320
would be. Like certain puzzles I
was like, Dan, the lottery one

892
01:00:14.320 --> 01:00:15.280
you did, for instance, I'm
gonna I'm not gonna spoil it, so

893
01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:22.960
I'll just say generalization, like,
Okay, I see that there's a several

894
01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:24.920
codes that this person wrote down to
try to like throw someone off the scent.

895
01:00:25.639 --> 01:00:28.800
But you can kind of see something
else that's on the desk at this

896
01:00:28.840 --> 01:00:32.719
gift shop that's like, no,
the game, they wouldn't like expect me

897
01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:36.559
to be that smart. It makes
you feel like a genius, I think

898
01:00:36.599 --> 01:00:43.280
in some certain situations. But I
will say I played this game once fairly

899
01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:46.840
drunk and I couldn't get anywhere.
I Yeah, I was, I wasn't,

900
01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:51.360
So I mean that's my problem.
Maybe I've been fucked up because I

901
01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:54.440
do drink when I play it.
Maybe, Yeah, I mean I'm too

902
01:00:54.559 --> 01:00:59.039
drunk to like crime solve. No, I was sober every time and I

903
01:00:59.079 --> 01:01:02.840
was constantly getting it. Yeah,
that makes me, honestly, You're solving

904
01:01:04.159 --> 01:01:09.039
makes me feel better because I Mike
texted me. This is not super common

905
01:01:09.119 --> 01:01:12.639
that Mike is like, you gotta
play x y Z. You do it

906
01:01:12.679 --> 01:01:15.159
a couple times a year. When
it happens, I'm like, I have

907
01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:19.599
to play this because Mike knows me. I put this game in, and

908
01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:22.480
I'm like, am I a moron? Am I dumb? I don't understand

909
01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:29.440
why I can't solve these problems that
should be so obvious. Like the fact

910
01:01:29.440 --> 01:01:31.280
that you went through some of these
things just make me feel like I'm not

911
01:01:31.320 --> 01:01:35.199
a complete ding dong. No,
I don't think they're obvious, And especially

912
01:01:35.199 --> 01:01:37.679
if you're not getting the right prompts, then that sucks. And there's a

913
01:01:37.679 --> 01:01:40.920
pretty wide variety of like a lot
of those things are very very smart,

914
01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:44.840
the side puzzles and things like that, and a lot of them lead to

915
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:47.599
very like, oh there's a whole
nother case of these lunch boxes or whatever.

916
01:01:47.599 --> 01:01:50.519
Like just a lot of them really
matter, and a lot of them

917
01:01:50.519 --> 01:01:52.639
are really smart. But every once
in a while, like the rock Rocktory

918
01:01:52.679 --> 01:01:55.280
one that was just one where it's
like I could tell immediately when I saw

919
01:01:55.280 --> 01:01:57.920
the first clue, like, oh, I see what I'm gonna have to

920
01:01:57.960 --> 01:02:00.960
do here, and I just could
not fucking find the third thing. I

921
01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:04.239
know that two rocks in a tree, and I could not fucking find that

922
01:02:04.679 --> 01:02:07.239
second rock. And I've actually had
other people message me like yeah, second

923
01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:09.960
rock. So it's like I think
they just put the rock in a weird

924
01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:14.159
spot that you don't naturally look at. It's like not a particularly smart puzzle.

925
01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:16.760
It's not anything super important or anything. But then there are some that

926
01:02:16.800 --> 01:02:20.920
are smart and important. There are
some later on. But yeah, the

927
01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:22.559
rock rock tree thing, we saw
for a fact, it was trending on

928
01:02:22.599 --> 01:02:25.000
Google Search, so like a lot
of people were having trouble with that.

929
01:02:27.880 --> 01:02:34.719
There are some later on that I
was again I solved it kind of either

930
01:02:34.760 --> 01:02:37.360
on accident or because I was like, let me try this. See if

931
01:02:37.360 --> 01:02:42.440
they were actually thinking along those lines
like this won't spoil anything. There's one

932
01:02:42.440 --> 01:02:46.000
where you come upon an area where
it's clear that like there's a kid's playground,

933
01:02:46.079 --> 01:02:51.159
like there was kids and families vacationing
here, and you find a sheet

934
01:02:51.320 --> 01:02:55.679
with clues on it that's drawn like
a fairy tale. You can kind of

935
01:02:55.719 --> 01:03:00.559
sort just into it, like and
it's like a path like over a mountain

936
01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:05.559
and through woods and over a bridge, like but there's no bridge nearby.

937
01:03:05.639 --> 01:03:07.480
You have you have to basically into
it that like, oh, a kid

938
01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:12.400
did this, and this is his
imagination. So in the real world,

939
01:03:12.719 --> 01:03:15.760
what would the kid have imagined would
be the bridge and the castle and stuff,

940
01:03:16.039 --> 01:03:17.719
And then you have to travel that
path and like, okay, that's

941
01:03:17.719 --> 01:03:24.800
pretty smart. But again that's tough, and I don't know that I would

942
01:03:24.840 --> 01:03:30.000
have solved that. I think in
general, the game is good at like

943
01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:35.400
queueing you in on its logic much
of the time. I definitely, even

944
01:03:35.400 --> 01:03:39.079
in control, sometimes remedy is not
great at like signposting what you're supposed to

945
01:03:39.119 --> 01:03:44.400
be doing. Even in the first
Allen Wake, which was a pretty linear

946
01:03:44.480 --> 01:03:46.639
action game, there were a couple
times where I'm like, what is going

947
01:03:46.719 --> 01:03:50.360
on? Oh, okay, I
must have missed something that, like Saga

948
01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:53.119
said out loud, which again I
appreciate that they're not saying like, oh,

949
01:03:53.159 --> 01:03:57.360
I need to probably climb that ladder
and go over there. Yeah constantly,

950
01:03:58.920 --> 01:04:03.639
Yeah, yeah, but I would. I think this game is incredible.

951
01:04:03.639 --> 01:04:05.360
I'm right at the end. I
don't know how it concludes yet.

952
01:04:05.800 --> 01:04:09.280
I know I'm in the last chapter
because you can once you get to a

953
01:04:09.280 --> 01:04:12.159
certain spot, you can start switching
between the characters, but at a certain

954
01:04:12.199 --> 01:04:15.239
point, way later in the game, you need to get them both to

955
01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:20.960
a certain threshold before you continue with
both of them. Right, I'm past

956
01:04:21.039 --> 01:04:28.079
that. I am so not there
yet. I'm at the light bulb section.

957
01:04:29.519 --> 01:04:31.280
I'll tell you, Like another time
I got stuck and this was embarrassing

958
01:04:31.320 --> 01:04:34.960
because I was like streaming it.
So I think, Dan, have you

959
01:04:35.000 --> 01:04:39.800
ever done this thing where you're streaming
a game and you like you can tell

960
01:04:39.840 --> 01:04:45.360
that your chat knows what to do, and they're just very delicately entire life,

961
01:04:45.639 --> 01:04:49.320
very delicately be like, have you
considered this? And it's just like,

962
01:04:49.360 --> 01:04:51.880
maybe you missed this thing back there. Maybe you look at this room

963
01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:58.320
again. Yeah, so like there's
this light puzzle where turning and I don't.

964
01:04:58.360 --> 01:05:00.960
I'm not going to spoil the solutionary
anything, but there's this light puzzle

965
01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:08.199
where you you acquire light and you
give it and it changes the environment around

966
01:05:08.239 --> 01:05:13.280
you, and it's it must have
been so obvious to everyone else, but

967
01:05:13.320 --> 01:05:18.960
I just didn't understand that there was
the possibility of obtaining more than one light.

968
01:05:19.320 --> 01:05:24.320
And the UI tells you, but
I didn't know, and I didn't

969
01:05:24.320 --> 01:05:27.360
know to look for the fact that
I was supposed to have two lights.

970
01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:31.239
So I was just walking around with
a solved solution in my pocket and I

971
01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:35.360
didn't know because I didn't know I
was supposed to look for that, So

972
01:05:35.440 --> 01:05:39.920
I just walked around for like another
forty five minutes. It tells you,

973
01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:43.000
but it doesn't tell you. I
mean, there is an indicator on screen,

974
01:05:43.400 --> 01:05:45.000
but it never like and again I
don't want it to be explicit all

975
01:05:45.039 --> 01:05:47.639
the time, but like they could
have made it a little more clear that,

976
01:05:47.719 --> 01:05:49.760
like, hey, you can actually
store you know, one of these

977
01:05:49.800 --> 01:05:54.679
things, you know, like it's
I'm right there with you that entire section.

978
01:05:54.800 --> 01:05:58.960
I thought the environment visually was very, very cool in that area,

979
01:05:59.079 --> 01:06:01.119
but I was just like, ah, this light swapping thing, I'm not

980
01:06:01.239 --> 01:06:08.039
into it all it's difficult for me
to process, like I wish, and

981
01:06:08.119 --> 01:06:13.079
I got past it, and I've
done more now I've done I've done more

982
01:06:13.119 --> 01:06:17.800
than that. But man, this
game tests my brain. And I will

983
01:06:17.840 --> 01:06:25.719
say it's gorgeous and it feels good, and I do love the thought Palace

984
01:06:25.960 --> 01:06:30.960
and I think it looks cool.
I just wish that I could navigate it

985
01:06:31.119 --> 01:06:36.480
better, and I wish that the
design that they had put so much energy

986
01:06:36.480 --> 01:06:41.239
into worked with me. Most of
the time, I'm doing it out of

987
01:06:41.360 --> 01:06:45.239
order, and then I'm spending most
of my time being like I am frustrated,

988
01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:48.440
but I respect this game a lot. I actually kind of felt that

989
01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:51.119
way about Control, which is like, I really like this game. I

990
01:06:51.159 --> 01:06:55.800
wonder if I'm just not smart enough
or not concentrated enough to enjoy it.

991
01:06:56.360 --> 01:07:00.000
Yeah. Control, I love the
vibes and the action that was really solid,

992
01:07:00.079 --> 01:07:02.679
but I definitely understand how much action
talk was going on. No,

993
01:07:02.840 --> 01:07:06.800
not as much, but like I
do, I think it's intentionally remedy.

994
01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:11.800
Games tend to be very complex,
uh and self referential and stuff in a

995
01:07:11.800 --> 01:07:15.039
way that like Control by the end
is like I have no fucking idea,

996
01:07:15.199 --> 01:07:18.239
Like not the slightest idea what's going
on here? It's like, I think

997
01:07:18.280 --> 01:07:21.360
I'm confused at times, but in
a way I'm supposed to be where it's

998
01:07:21.360 --> 01:07:25.320
like it's supposed to be very surreal
and you're supposed to be questioning what's reality

999
01:07:25.400 --> 01:07:27.840
and what's you know in his book
or in his head? Or is this

1000
01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:30.519
real? You know? Like I
think one of the things I have really

1001
01:07:30.599 --> 01:07:32.480
liked though, is never knowing where
I'm going to wind up next. And

1002
01:07:32.519 --> 01:07:35.639
I find that all those areas are
so detailed, like even just the town

1003
01:07:35.719 --> 01:07:38.599
that you know it is in the
first game, but look, the level

1004
01:07:38.599 --> 01:07:42.960
of detail is insane walking around to
Saga and then they're the first area that

1005
01:07:43.000 --> 01:07:45.920
you control Alan in. I think
it's the first area you control them in.

1006
01:07:45.400 --> 01:07:50.480
Is a it's an area or it's
an environment that I feel very very

1007
01:07:50.519 --> 01:07:55.039
strongly about. But I've never really
seen depicted in a video game like this.

1008
01:07:55.320 --> 01:07:59.280
Wait, oh, this is awesome, wait until we sing it's uh,

1009
01:08:00.159 --> 01:08:01.440
I will say. I was going
to ask if you were streaming at

1010
01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:05.000
Mary, I can't imagine streaming this
game. I think that might be my

1011
01:08:05.119 --> 01:08:11.400
mistake. It reminds me of when
I stream any puzzle game and my chat

1012
01:08:11.480 --> 01:08:14.039
is like we know what to do, and I'm like, do you know

1013
01:08:14.199 --> 01:08:18.680
to shut up? Because I'm embarrassed
and I feel silly. I think maybe

1014
01:08:18.800 --> 01:08:23.800
I will say I only streamed the
second three to four hours. The first

1015
01:08:24.319 --> 01:08:30.199
three hours I did by myself,
and I still struggled. I still struggled

1016
01:08:30.199 --> 01:08:36.079
in which is ladel even without chat. I just I missed the flashlight prompt

1017
01:08:36.239 --> 01:08:41.199
or whatever. I had no idea
that I was supposed to hit a flashlight

1018
01:08:42.239 --> 01:08:45.720
at that light, and I walked
around for like an hour. Yeah,

1019
01:08:45.920 --> 01:08:47.800
I will say, like some of
those visual cues, like of things you

1020
01:08:47.840 --> 01:08:50.680
can disperse with your flashlight, you
start to learn and get used to,

1021
01:08:50.800 --> 01:08:55.079
like as a muscle memory kind of
thing or visual recognition. Yeah, but

1022
01:08:55.199 --> 01:09:00.399
again it's like, I fucking I'm
obsessed with this game. But even sometimes

1023
01:09:00.399 --> 01:09:03.000
I'm like, ah, man,
they I don't they needed to do more

1024
01:09:03.159 --> 01:09:08.239
to signpost that because I sort of
caught it by a happenstance or I had

1025
01:09:08.239 --> 01:09:11.079
to like just like beat my head
against something like just today it was a

1026
01:09:11.920 --> 01:09:16.079
it was a combination plot board light
puzzle later on, and once I solved

1027
01:09:16.119 --> 01:09:21.079
it, like, oh again,
there was more logic to this than I

1028
01:09:21.199 --> 01:09:26.199
was letting giving the game credit for
right, but they didn't. But again

1029
01:09:26.279 --> 01:09:30.800
it's like I don't Yeah, okay, I get it now, but I'm

1030
01:09:30.800 --> 01:09:32.600
like, all right, I really
just needed to be more observant. But

1031
01:09:32.640 --> 01:09:36.359
it's like it's because the survival horror
aspect. You get in such a flow

1032
01:09:36.399 --> 01:09:40.399
in that kind of game, and
you're scavenging for items and just picking up

1033
01:09:40.399 --> 01:09:44.319
things and like reloading all your weapons
and checking your flashlight batteries, et cetera.

1034
01:09:44.680 --> 01:09:51.359
It's definitely easy to like lose sight
of either lose sight or run up

1035
01:09:51.359 --> 01:09:55.159
against a point where the developers really
lost sight of like kind of guiding you

1036
01:09:55.199 --> 01:10:00.560
through things effectively. It's still freaking
cool. And I think what I'd love

1037
01:10:00.600 --> 01:10:03.600
people to leave with is I think
you should play this game. I think

1038
01:10:03.600 --> 01:10:09.079
it's brilliant and again gorgeous to look
at, especially if you have like an

1039
01:10:09.119 --> 01:10:12.159
updated system and you have a good
graphics card. Like this is a really

1040
01:10:12.239 --> 01:10:16.479
stunning achievement in video games. But
if you struggle through the first puzzle,

1041
01:10:16.960 --> 01:10:23.680
you're not alone. I'm also not
smart, and I'm with you, and

1042
01:10:23.760 --> 01:10:28.479
I agree with you that, like
this is a tough game, and it's

1043
01:10:28.479 --> 01:10:31.880
also like keep in mind if you're
bumping up against a non essential story puzzle.

1044
01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:34.800
The ones you were talking about were
essential. That's different if you're bumping

1045
01:10:34.840 --> 01:10:38.840
against up against a cult stash or
one of the nursery rhymes with the chalk

1046
01:10:39.239 --> 01:10:42.279
and you can't solve it, don't
worry. The game tells you way later,

1047
01:10:42.359 --> 01:10:45.439
Hey, do everything you want to
do, because you are going to

1048
01:10:45.479 --> 01:10:46.920
a point in no return, So
like, if you haven't hit that point,

1049
01:10:46.960 --> 01:10:50.000
you can go back and do that
puzzle whenever you want with both characters,

1050
01:10:50.600 --> 01:10:55.039
which is comforting to know. I
wish I had known that, because

1051
01:10:55.079 --> 01:11:00.600
I was like, Marry, like
you my resident evil Bonafides kicking in and

1052
01:11:00.680 --> 01:11:03.560
like, I need to scour this
entire forest, this map for everything,

1053
01:11:03.720 --> 01:11:08.600
and you can. I got to
a point where my inventory was overflowing,

1054
01:11:08.680 --> 01:11:12.119
and I like, I clearly,
to its credit, the game let me

1055
01:11:12.199 --> 01:11:15.079
get my inventory fucking stacked. But
right, yeah, but then I was

1056
01:11:15.159 --> 01:11:17.239
leathling it up. I was like, I should have just like kind of

1057
01:11:17.279 --> 01:11:20.800
went with the flow a bit more. It's frustrating for me because like that

1058
01:11:20.840 --> 01:11:25.720
first area was Saga, that whole
like Witch's little area. I scoured everything,

1059
01:11:25.880 --> 01:11:28.600
did all the sides stuff, got
the lunch boxes and the puzzles and

1060
01:11:28.600 --> 01:11:30.840
all that stuff, and I was
like, Okay, I'm gonna do this

1061
01:11:30.880 --> 01:11:32.720
with this entire game. And then
I got to that Allen part with the

1062
01:11:32.760 --> 01:11:35.720
first like light switching area, and
I was getting so turned around and so

1063
01:11:35.920 --> 01:11:40.199
like, what the fuck do I
even do here? That I whenever I

1064
01:11:40.279 --> 01:11:42.520
did see a way forward, I
was like, all right, I'm just

1065
01:11:42.560 --> 01:11:45.960
going straightforward, blinders on. I'm
not gonna look anywhere else because I don't

1066
01:11:45.960 --> 01:11:47.439
want to get doubled back. So
like I fear that I missed stuff like

1067
01:11:47.600 --> 01:11:53.119
I'm getting shotgun AMMO and stuff for
like a flare launcher and stuff that I

1068
01:11:53.159 --> 01:11:55.720
did not get these weapons, And
I'm like, yeah, did I miss

1069
01:11:55.720 --> 01:12:00.319
stuff that I missed the weapons?
Like I missed these important things. I'm

1070
01:12:00.319 --> 01:12:09.119
thankful for the guide because I saw, uh the shotgun I shot. I

1071
01:12:09.119 --> 01:12:15.199
saw a shotgun and yeah, and
it was in a like a locked space

1072
01:12:15.520 --> 01:12:16.880
and I was like, I'm never
going to figure this out. I'll leave,

1073
01:12:16.920 --> 01:12:19.119
but I already had the guide open, so I was like, I'll

1074
01:12:19.159 --> 01:12:24.960
just peep the guide and see and
the solution is literally right there. I

1075
01:12:25.119 --> 01:12:28.880
just I needed a push. I
needed like a little bit more of a

1076
01:12:28.920 --> 01:12:32.920
push to understand what to do again, Like, I don't know if this

1077
01:12:32.960 --> 01:12:35.600
is the game's fault. This might
be me as a gamer. I might

1078
01:12:35.600 --> 01:12:40.960
have been I might have been coddled
so much of like here's where you go,

1079
01:12:41.039 --> 01:12:44.359
and like here's what you do.
Resident Evil is like Kinder I think

1080
01:12:44.479 --> 01:12:48.199
of like getting you there. This
game will be like I don't know,

1081
01:12:48.720 --> 01:12:51.079
she really goes to the bathroom a
lot, doesn't she, Joe, And

1082
01:12:51.119 --> 01:12:56.159
it's like, shit, the fucking
solution is in the bathroom. They just

1083
01:12:56.199 --> 01:12:58.439
told you. But you have to
pay attention. You have to be that's

1084
01:12:58.439 --> 01:13:00.319
not a real I made that up
thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1085
01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:04.479
you have to pay attention to all
the dialogue and all these because they're giving

1086
01:13:04.520 --> 01:13:09.600
you hints everywhere. Yeah. And
it doesn't do a lot of the mercy

1087
01:13:09.640 --> 01:13:12.199
stuff where it's like I've had a
lot of times where I'm just bumble fucking

1088
01:13:12.239 --> 01:13:15.399
around for like ten minutes. I'm
like, please give me anything. Like

1089
01:13:15.560 --> 01:13:16.520
a lot of games will be like
all right, dmn, dumb, here's

1090
01:13:16.520 --> 01:13:19.039
a little ratical go that way,
you know, and like or somebody some

1091
01:13:19.119 --> 01:13:21.319
character will be like hey dad,
I mean, god of warr it was

1092
01:13:21.479 --> 01:13:25.279
you'd walk into the room and trace
and be like that floor is cracked.

1093
01:13:25.520 --> 01:13:28.039
Jump on that. You know,
it's like this is the opposite of that

1094
01:13:28.039 --> 01:13:30.079
where it's like you're not giving me
shit. You know, yeah, it's

1095
01:13:30.239 --> 01:13:33.680
uh, that happened to me too. And again as like a obsessive completionist

1096
01:13:33.760 --> 01:13:38.239
in survival horror games who never ends
up using any of my Magnum Ammo or

1097
01:13:38.279 --> 01:13:40.760
the rocket launchers and resume wal when
I have them, because I save them

1098
01:13:40.800 --> 01:13:45.079
until the end credits. I was
getting shot on Ammo and FLAIRGUNA was like,

1099
01:13:45.079 --> 01:13:46.760
oh my god, did I miss
something? To put your mind in

1100
01:13:46.760 --> 01:13:50.359
these you did not. They're all
pretty obvious. Honestly, if you found

1101
01:13:50.399 --> 01:13:55.159
the sowd Off shotgun with Saga,
that's the easiest. No, she's got

1102
01:13:55.159 --> 01:13:58.920
another weapon that you could miss,
but it's not essential. Everything else is

1103
01:13:59.479 --> 01:14:04.680
pretty signposted. I like, you
know, we were talking about Reid and

1104
01:14:04.680 --> 01:14:08.760
Evil and like I never struggled too
much with those puzzles, and I love

1105
01:14:08.800 --> 01:14:12.560
logic puzzles. That's always what my
thing. Like that specific shotgun thing.

1106
01:14:12.600 --> 01:14:14.880
You know, there was a thing
on a counter and with a bunch of

1107
01:14:14.960 --> 01:14:15.920
numbers, and I was even doing
this stuff where it's like, all right,

1108
01:14:16.159 --> 01:14:19.079
let's see how many numbers are between
each of these. So maybe it's

1109
01:14:19.079 --> 01:14:21.439
like these two or two apart,
these are four APARTI these are six apart,

1110
01:14:21.439 --> 01:14:24.680
and the next one's eight or whatever. Like I was thinking about all

1111
01:14:24.720 --> 01:14:28.239
the usual logic puzzle type tricks and
everything, and it was like, I

1112
01:14:28.239 --> 01:14:31.600
don't know if it's just doing things
differently or less clear, and that's why

1113
01:14:31.680 --> 01:14:35.239
I'm like struggling with these a bit
more. Yeah, they're not all perfect.

1114
01:14:35.399 --> 01:14:41.119
It's some of them are. Some
of them are remedied and design them

1115
01:14:41.159 --> 01:14:45.479
super well. Like they're like rock
rock Tree is not a difficult puzzle.

1116
01:14:46.520 --> 01:14:51.319
I will say that, Like it's
not like the Witness for instance, Like

1117
01:14:51.439 --> 01:14:55.439
most of those puzzles, when you
stumble on a solution, you're like,

1118
01:14:55.680 --> 01:14:58.720
oh, I get what they wanted
me to see. The Rock Rock Tree

1119
01:14:58.760 --> 01:15:01.560
puzzles like no, I just didn't
like exhaustively scour the area enough, which

1120
01:15:01.640 --> 01:15:04.279
that's fun, and it just couldn't
see the thing. Like that's not not

1121
01:15:04.680 --> 01:15:09.119
a puzzle. Yeah, when you
reach the solution long before you can actually

1122
01:15:09.119 --> 01:15:13.199
get the necessary info, that's not
a fun puzzle. There are a few

1123
01:15:13.199 --> 01:15:15.479
of those in this game. Yeah, Yeah, I do feel like We've

1124
01:15:15.520 --> 01:15:18.279
been a bit, you know,
understandably critical of a lot of these puzzles

1125
01:15:18.279 --> 01:15:19.960
and the way they're laid out.
But I want to make it clear how

1126
01:15:20.000 --> 01:15:23.239
I feel about this game. And
then I do think it is like this

1127
01:15:23.279 --> 01:15:27.600
is Remedy's masterpiece. This is done
the impossible and getting me super invested in

1128
01:15:27.600 --> 01:15:30.159
a video game story. It's a
sequel to a game that I was not

1129
01:15:30.239 --> 01:15:34.199
super into. The story. I
think it does things so well even if

1130
01:15:34.239 --> 01:15:39.079
you never played the first one.
The fact that you start as Saga and

1131
01:15:39.119 --> 01:15:41.560
she's learning this like oh yeah,
this guy just appeared in twenty ten,

1132
01:15:41.640 --> 01:15:45.479
and like they explained like oh this
naked guy at the beginning that like if

1133
01:15:45.520 --> 01:15:47.319
you don't really know the first one, you don't really understand his significance.

1134
01:15:47.359 --> 01:15:51.199
But it's like you learn as she
learns, and she's a great character.

1135
01:15:51.520 --> 01:15:56.079
I think the Sam Lake stuff,
like the inclusion of him in the like

1136
01:15:56.119 --> 01:15:59.119
his stuff is great. The game
is funny as hell. The live action

1137
01:15:59.119 --> 01:16:00.640
stuff has always been a strength of
Remedies, and I think this one,

1138
01:16:00.680 --> 01:16:06.600
like I'm laughing out loud watching these
beer commercials and stuff. The one where

1139
01:16:06.800 --> 01:16:12.439
there's a yeah, a TV trailer
where they're like, how do we be

1140
01:16:12.520 --> 01:16:15.239
able to go take you all these
places when the government says we're not allowed

1141
01:16:15.239 --> 01:16:21.279
to be there? Very funny and
very charming. I love how all the

1142
01:16:21.399 --> 01:16:26.880
ads are real humans. Yeah,
I just think that's so neat and so

1143
01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:30.399
immersive. That's another glitch I've been
having is that as you ever do like

1144
01:16:30.560 --> 01:16:34.880
editing in premiere, and like as
a timeline goes forward, the lip sync

1145
01:16:34.880 --> 01:16:39.079
gets more and more off. I've
never seen that in the game before.

1146
01:16:39.079 --> 01:16:42.399
But it's also weird because like there
is live action and you know, video

1147
01:16:42.439 --> 01:16:45.960
game stuff. So I got to
like a really kind of important, interesting

1148
01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:50.239
spot where you were watching a video
testimonial of a character and you're seeing her

1149
01:16:50.279 --> 01:16:54.239
talk on screen, and like it's
really getting more and more out of sync,

1150
01:16:54.520 --> 01:16:56.439
and like to the point where it's
like I caught myself having to like

1151
01:16:56.479 --> 01:16:59.000
look away because it was like I
want to hear what she's saying. This

1152
01:16:59.079 --> 01:17:00.560
is all important stuff, but it's
like it's kind of fucking me up.

1153
01:17:00.560 --> 01:17:04.479
So like it's it's got some technical
stuff going on here, but like none

1154
01:17:04.479 --> 01:17:08.640
of this stuff, you know,
the puzzle stuff or any technical issues has

1155
01:17:08.720 --> 01:17:13.319
diminished how much I'm loving this game
and how much. I really think this

1156
01:17:13.359 --> 01:17:15.760
is like all of Remedy's strengths put
into one game, in the most total

1157
01:17:15.760 --> 01:17:18.760
package I've ever seen them do.
Yeah, and it's funny too. It's

1158
01:17:18.800 --> 01:17:21.760
like, uh, well two things. So to be clear, I'm not

1159
01:17:21.800 --> 01:17:25.920
like stone cold Sober when I play
this game. However, I'm not streaming

1160
01:17:25.920 --> 01:17:28.079
it, and I'm playing it like
in the dark at night. I think

1161
01:17:28.079 --> 01:17:30.960
it's easier for me to key in
to like little minor things that I think

1162
01:17:30.960 --> 01:17:34.239
they were hoping I would have noticed. It's not at all me being like

1163
01:17:34.399 --> 01:17:38.239
smart enough to solve the puzzles.
I'm just definitely in the zone in a

1164
01:17:38.239 --> 01:17:42.399
way where I'm like, Okay,
I see what they're doing there. But

1165
01:17:42.479 --> 01:17:44.640
again, even then I was running
up against someone, I'm like, ah,

1166
01:17:44.680 --> 01:17:47.560
that was not your best Greenmity.
That was like Control at its worst.

1167
01:17:47.880 --> 01:17:53.119
I would backtrack across the oldest house
and be like, well, fuck,

1168
01:17:53.279 --> 01:17:56.239
this map wasn't even like the stairs
weren't in the right place. Like

1169
01:17:56.279 --> 01:17:58.960
now I have to go all the
way back down to containment and then I

1170
01:17:58.960 --> 01:18:02.920
have to go back to the boiler
room. The Remedy like they're still at

1171
01:18:02.960 --> 01:18:05.079
the end of the day, even
though like with they're much bigger budget with

1172
01:18:05.119 --> 01:18:08.399
Epic, which I'm glad they have
because again, this is I think their

1173
01:18:08.399 --> 01:18:12.920
magnum opus. Like they're still kind
of a scrappy developer. You kind of

1174
01:18:13.000 --> 01:18:15.560
see those rough edges, which almost
makes it more endearing to me. But

1175
01:18:15.600 --> 01:18:21.000
again I shouldn't like give them a
pass for it. But secondly, weirdly

1176
01:18:21.119 --> 01:18:24.000
enough, I told Dan the other
night when he was texting me, I

1177
01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:27.760
was like, uh, yeah,
just wait till you see where like both

1178
01:18:27.800 --> 01:18:30.640
of their storylines go. Like the
game is again, I'm like, twenty

1179
01:18:30.680 --> 01:18:33.399
four hours in, it is way
bigger than I think people realize in their

1180
01:18:33.439 --> 01:18:36.720
first chapters. Like, I am
so excited. I'm glad I talked to

1181
01:18:36.760 --> 01:18:42.600
you about it. Like I I'm
not similarly to what Dan was saying,

1182
01:18:42.600 --> 01:18:45.600
I feel like we're talking about all
the little itches we've had with this game.

1183
01:18:45.920 --> 01:18:51.199
It's a really fantastically made game,
and I'm excited to play it and

1184
01:18:51.199 --> 01:18:56.279
I'm enjoying it very much. I've
just had a couple I've just had a

1185
01:18:56.359 --> 01:19:00.479
couple of stumbles and I didn't want
to be alone. If you, I

1186
01:19:00.520 --> 01:19:05.920
will say not just trying to self
promote sort of. I think Polygon's guide

1187
01:19:05.920 --> 01:19:11.119
writers are very good at not just
giving you the solution up top and then

1188
01:19:11.199 --> 01:19:15.920
explaining it. We usually will say
like he did use the guide. I

1189
01:19:15.960 --> 01:19:19.600
think I did because I was really
really stuck. Yeah, polygon By and

1190
01:19:19.680 --> 01:19:23.840
Lars will be like, all right, so here's what the game wants you

1191
01:19:23.880 --> 01:19:26.399
to do, and then the solution
will be the bottom. Like other sites

1192
01:19:26.680 --> 01:19:30.279
I'm not gonna name names will be
like in the fucking like deck of the

1193
01:19:30.319 --> 01:19:32.199
story, like the solution is one
two seven, like all right, well,

1194
01:19:33.000 --> 01:19:35.840
at least the ones where you google
it and they click the link and

1195
01:19:35.880 --> 01:19:39.840
it's like this article is a stub. It's not. Actually, yeah,

1196
01:19:39.840 --> 01:19:42.680
it has nothing here for you.
It's great, why are you here?

1197
01:19:42.720 --> 01:19:48.520
Then? Why is Google? Baldersgate
Xbox Series X release The top fourteen stories

1198
01:19:48.560 --> 01:19:51.760
are like coming soon and then you
click into it, they're like new rumors

1199
01:19:51.760 --> 01:19:57.399
are still swirling about when exactly what
happened? Like I hate They're just like

1200
01:19:57.479 --> 01:20:00.800
yeah, yep, but yeah,
god allen Wick too, Like, you

1201
01:20:00.840 --> 01:20:03.079
know, not a perfect game.
If you can get through, if you

1202
01:20:03.119 --> 01:20:06.680
need to use guides, like fuck
it whatever, just to see more of

1203
01:20:06.680 --> 01:20:12.560
this game, keep going. I
personally marry knowing your taste in horror games.

1204
01:20:12.600 --> 01:20:16.119
I think there's a lot here you'll
love. There's so much to unpack.

1205
01:20:16.159 --> 01:20:18.000
It's just, yeah, I think
I need a little bit more time

1206
01:20:18.039 --> 01:20:20.760
with it. Oh god. But
there's there's some like live action shit they

1207
01:20:20.760 --> 01:20:24.560
do. There's an entire short film
later if you want to watch it.

1208
01:20:24.600 --> 01:20:30.199
You don't have to. There's crazy
awesome musical numbers in general music in between

1209
01:20:30.279 --> 01:20:38.079
chapters and stuff like streamer friendly.
Oh yeah interesting, yeah yeah, yeah,

1210
01:20:38.119 --> 01:20:41.640
proprietary. Well, like all the
lyrics and everything are extremely like just

1211
01:20:42.000 --> 01:20:45.640
explicitly talking about I heard, yeah, I heard that the songs are actually

1212
01:20:45.680 --> 01:20:49.840
secrets, like they're they're like hints. Oh, they're foreshadowing stuff like the

1213
01:20:49.880 --> 01:20:54.359
manuscript pages do. Yeah. I
feel like it's always just like I was

1214
01:20:54.399 --> 01:20:56.560
in a lake and it was dark
and you were on the other side,

1215
01:20:56.600 --> 01:21:00.680
and what's real and what's this?
Very as the code to get the SOT

1216
01:21:00.760 --> 01:21:08.920
off shotgun rock rock tree, the
shotgun is three eight three rock rock rock

1217
01:21:09.039 --> 01:21:17.239
rock rock, but good the other
rock is across the street. But oh

1218
01:21:17.279 --> 01:21:20.520
my god, the chapter we sing
you will know it once it starts,

1219
01:21:21.039 --> 01:21:27.439
and it is just all right,
oh my god, I've been sold.

1220
01:21:27.600 --> 01:21:33.000
I think we should what else have
we been playing? Yeah, this is

1221
01:21:33.439 --> 01:21:35.920
once we beat it, at some
point we should do some sort of spoiler

1222
01:21:35.920 --> 01:21:41.039
casts or just like more in depth
conversation about it, because it's got it?

1223
01:21:44.319 --> 01:21:46.760
Can we Dan? I know you
and Ben talked about Super Mario Broos

1224
01:21:46.800 --> 01:21:51.840
Wonder did last episode played at that
point? I think we're really talking about

1225
01:21:51.920 --> 01:21:57.000
I think I think not Nintendo Jail
people had put out their reviews and everything,

1226
01:21:57.039 --> 01:22:00.960
but talking. Let us never forget
then? Cool, Oh, I

1227
01:22:01.000 --> 01:22:04.680
never will as long as I fucking
live. I was gone to play it

1228
01:22:04.720 --> 01:22:08.279
and then I got I have it
downloaded. I've had it downloaded for two

1229
01:22:08.279 --> 01:22:10.560
weeks and then I got sucked into
Ellen Wake. So I have not touched

1230
01:22:10.560 --> 01:22:13.880
it yet. I hundred percent of
it. And I tell you, I

1231
01:22:14.000 --> 01:22:15.600
came out the day before I flew
to Canada, and so I'm playing it

1232
01:22:15.680 --> 01:22:18.800
both flights out to Canada and then
just I had to check out in the

1233
01:22:18.800 --> 01:22:23.600
morning, but my flight wasn't until
like that evening. So I spent six

1234
01:22:23.720 --> 01:22:28.279
or seven hours in an airport lounge
with an open bar with I sat down

1235
01:22:28.279 --> 01:22:30.000
in a company your doing it?
I raw dog? Well, no,

1236
01:22:30.000 --> 01:22:32.640
no, that was that was the
last trip. That was I did not

1237
01:22:32.720 --> 01:22:38.039
run. I don't demanded that term
on like during our break between the Intron

1238
01:22:38.159 --> 01:22:40.479
video games, She's like, I'm
saying that all the time from now on.

1239
01:22:40.960 --> 01:22:44.159
No, I was quite drunk for
the Canada flights, but so I

1240
01:22:44.239 --> 01:22:46.199
was in the lounge. I just
prop up my switch there. I take

1241
01:22:46.199 --> 01:22:50.800
out the super Nintendo switch controller,
which is perfect for this game if anyone

1242
01:22:50.920 --> 01:22:56.359
has that, and I just played
every level, got every single thing.

1243
01:22:56.520 --> 01:22:59.960
It just made the time fly by. It's look, it's it's more.

1244
01:23:00.399 --> 01:23:01.680
I mean, I don't have to
tell you about all the charm and everything

1245
01:23:01.720 --> 01:23:05.880
it's got. But even for like
Nintendo Mario standards, the amount of just

1246
01:23:06.119 --> 01:23:12.840
joy and wonder and uh just creativity
in every square inch of this game is

1247
01:23:12.960 --> 01:23:15.159
unmatched. I think even like it's
up there with like Odyssey. I would

1248
01:23:15.199 --> 01:23:17.039
say, as far as it's like, god damn, you put a lot

1249
01:23:17.079 --> 01:23:20.920
of ideas into this game. But
the two D series specifically, I don't

1250
01:23:20.920 --> 01:23:25.239
think has ever seen this much.
And I keep meaning the no pun intended

1251
01:23:25.279 --> 01:23:29.199
wonder, but like that is such
an apt word for this. It's it's

1252
01:23:29.239 --> 01:23:31.840
just a delight. It's great.
It is a Mario game and has all

1253
01:23:31.840 --> 01:23:35.600
the nostalgia and stuff that every Mario
game has, but it is also the

1254
01:23:35.640 --> 01:23:41.199
most willing to introduce new things in
terms of like I don't know how many

1255
01:23:41.199 --> 01:23:44.039
fucking new Super Mario Brothers games I
played where it's just like, all right,

1256
01:23:44.039 --> 01:23:45.279
here's another coop I, here's another
goomba, here's you know, these

1257
01:23:45.279 --> 01:23:50.199
elements I've seen a million times.
There are so many new enemies in this

1258
01:23:50.239 --> 01:23:55.239
game, and they're all so clever
and do cool things I haven't seen before

1259
01:23:55.279 --> 01:23:59.279
in Mario. So it's it really
does feel like a kind of a new

1260
01:24:00.079 --> 01:24:01.439
new day for Mario and in a
lot of ways, like you can just

1261
01:24:01.439 --> 01:24:08.199
swap between characters on the fly.
It's it's, uh, it's really going

1262
01:24:08.279 --> 01:24:11.199
to be a contender for me high
up on on my Game of the Year

1263
01:24:11.239 --> 01:24:14.359
stuff. But it is a Mario
game, if if you know, like

1264
01:24:14.359 --> 01:24:16.359
like I was, I was raving
about it to Bianca and she's just never

1265
01:24:16.399 --> 01:24:19.920
been a big platformer fan or like
a you know, Nintendo or fan or

1266
01:24:19.960 --> 01:24:23.000
anything, and I was like,
you got to check it out just to

1267
01:24:23.039 --> 01:24:26.720
see like the amount of ideas here. And it's still I mean, it's

1268
01:24:26.720 --> 01:24:29.399
a Mario game. So if it's
not your genre, it's not your thing.

1269
01:24:30.119 --> 01:24:32.760
You know, this isn't going to
turn you into one. But for

1270
01:24:32.840 --> 01:24:36.159
someone like me who has literally grown
up playing every one of these games and

1271
01:24:36.479 --> 01:24:42.520
feeling very attached to them, this
is uh just delightful. Thatch separates it

1272
01:24:42.680 --> 01:24:46.920
from all the other marios that you've
have been playing. What makes it distinct?

1273
01:24:46.920 --> 01:24:50.239
You're telling me why it's really good, but like, what's different?

1274
01:24:50.920 --> 01:24:54.399
I think, uh, the amount
of new ideas, Like when I when

1275
01:24:54.439 --> 01:24:56.680
I think about like that when they
went back to two D with the new

1276
01:24:56.680 --> 01:24:59.680
Super Mario Brothers series, it was
great and that like, ah, yeah

1277
01:24:59.800 --> 01:25:01.319
it's Mario like it used to be
on the nes in Super Mario World,

1278
01:25:01.319 --> 01:25:05.199
but like it was a very safe
art style. It was just very kind

1279
01:25:05.239 --> 01:25:11.600
of predictable, boring level design,
and the suits and stuff weren't too crazy

1280
01:25:11.680 --> 01:25:14.920
or interesting, like every level,
like having these wonder seeds and you never

1281
01:25:14.960 --> 01:25:16.680
know what the effects are going to
do in this one. That's a very

1282
01:25:16.720 --> 01:25:20.399
unique thing. One thing that has
definitely never been seen like this, and

1283
01:25:20.760 --> 01:25:25.600
not just Mario. What I would
say Nintendo to this degree is the multiplayer

1284
01:25:25.720 --> 01:25:30.880
implementation. The fact that you can
just you're playing multiplayer with other people.

1285
01:25:31.000 --> 01:25:34.399
You do with friends. If us
three all like partied up or whatever,

1286
01:25:34.720 --> 01:25:38.319
we could go in there and play
and we could race through the same levels

1287
01:25:38.319 --> 01:25:41.399
if we went to or I could
be trying one hundred percent this level while

1288
01:25:41.439 --> 01:25:45.039
you guys are playing your own levels, or for example, I felt like

1289
01:25:45.079 --> 01:25:47.000
I was playing multiplayer with strangers in
a meaningful way when I was in that

1290
01:25:47.039 --> 01:25:50.239
airport lounge and I connected to the
Wi Fi and there are some really hard

1291
01:25:50.319 --> 01:25:54.640
levels where it's like you got to
ride these things through like a lava platforms

1292
01:25:54.640 --> 01:25:59.239
and stuff, and you can see
the other player's ghost like struggle and if

1293
01:25:59.239 --> 01:26:01.439
they touch you can revive them.
So it's like I felt like we were

1294
01:26:01.439 --> 01:26:04.159
in this together, like we're going
through this hard lava level and everything,

1295
01:26:04.239 --> 01:26:08.239
and we keep helping each other out
and if you put these signs down it

1296
01:26:08.319 --> 01:26:11.960
lets them respawn and everything. And
so I was having this like meaningful multiplayer

1297
01:26:12.000 --> 01:26:15.880
experience with live players without it being
a thing where I had to specifically party

1298
01:26:15.960 --> 01:26:17.960
up and we all have to play
this level. It's just like, hey,

1299
01:26:18.239 --> 01:26:20.319
we're all here at the same time, let's help each other out.

1300
01:26:21.239 --> 01:26:26.840
Nintendo is not known for doing that
stuff well, and this is completely seamless

1301
01:26:27.000 --> 01:26:30.560
whether you're playing with strangers or friends
or solo. So I think that is

1302
01:26:30.760 --> 01:26:34.000
a major thing that I've never seen
them get right to this degree. Then

1303
01:26:34.039 --> 01:26:40.119
the I think, correct me if
I'm wrong. I think the major gameplay

1304
01:26:40.159 --> 01:26:45.319
twist here is that every level has
a Wonderflower. Wonder Yeah they're wonder Well

1305
01:26:45.359 --> 01:26:46.479
you get the under seeds, but
yeah, you collect the wonderflower. It

1306
01:26:46.520 --> 01:26:48.880
has an effect and you never know
what it's going to do, so and

1307
01:26:48.920 --> 01:26:51.279
it like does it change the entire
level or just a section of it.

1308
01:26:53.600 --> 01:26:56.079
Some of them have stronger effects than
others, where it's like, oh,

1309
01:26:56.119 --> 01:26:58.319
this is going to make the whole
level warp and do a bunch of weird

1310
01:26:58.319 --> 01:27:00.640
shit, or this is going to
turn you into a giant enemy that has

1311
01:27:00.640 --> 01:27:02.920
these abilities that you get to learn
like on the fly. Or everything's fucking

1312
01:27:02.960 --> 01:27:06.720
stretchy and silhouetted. So here's like
a twenty foot tall goomba silhouette, but

1313
01:27:06.800 --> 01:27:11.399
you're a big stretchy Mario. It's
you never know when you hit the thing

1314
01:27:11.720 --> 01:27:14.880
what it's going to cause, Like
oh, this like buffalo stampede that goes

1315
01:27:14.920 --> 01:27:18.079
through the level and you run across, or it's it's no one effect I

1316
01:27:18.079 --> 01:27:20.600
think it was just like a power
up where they're like, here's the one

1317
01:27:20.640 --> 01:27:25.399
where just some bullshit's gonna happen.
And I think just that a known factor

1318
01:27:25.560 --> 01:27:30.279
is very fun. Each level has
one, uh yeah, I mean there

1319
01:27:30.279 --> 01:27:32.800
are some that are just like Badge
challenges where you can kind of test out

1320
01:27:32.840 --> 01:27:36.239
like these new Badge abilities, which
that's a whole cool new thing on its

1321
01:27:36.239 --> 01:27:41.000
own. So I don't want to
say every single level, but most of

1322
01:27:41.039 --> 01:27:45.640
the main levels will have a wonder
seats or a Wonderflower somewhere. Gotcha,

1323
01:27:45.960 --> 01:27:48.920
It's next on my list after I
finished Ellen Wake. It's fantastic. It's

1324
01:27:48.960 --> 01:27:54.720
really really it sounds like a good
Christmas break game, to be honest with

1325
01:27:54.760 --> 01:27:56.720
you, I could see that.
Yeah. I wonder how it would be

1326
01:27:56.760 --> 01:27:59.600
local, like if you're playing with
family members and stuff. Because the online

1327
01:27:59.640 --> 01:28:01.560
is so good, I wonder if
that carries over to local. I've heard

1328
01:28:01.920 --> 01:28:09.239
the local has an annoying thing with
a camera. If you yeah, whoever

1329
01:28:09.359 --> 01:28:15.279
finishes the previous level first, the
camera will focus on center on them for

1330
01:28:15.319 --> 01:28:17.800
the next course because they have the
crown, which then turns it into a

1331
01:28:17.920 --> 01:28:23.159
race by default, almost just so
you have the camera or yeah, which

1332
01:28:23.199 --> 01:28:26.920
is like a rare thing where it's
like playing online is actually kind of easier

1333
01:28:26.960 --> 01:28:29.119
because then it's like, you know, when you could run ahead of me

1334
01:28:29.199 --> 01:28:30.960
and like I have to go catch
up or whatever. It's not going to

1335
01:28:30.039 --> 01:28:32.880
like drag the camera or push me
forward, you know, like a man

1336
01:28:32.880 --> 01:28:36.119
and I are attempted to buy her
a second copy. Oh, we just

1337
01:28:36.159 --> 01:28:42.079
play on you know, separately,
but instead of the same screen. I

1338
01:28:42.119 --> 01:28:45.399
don't know. Other people have said
like if one characters Yoshi, then the

1339
01:28:45.439 --> 01:28:48.279
other can ride the Yoshi, so
it centers on both of them no matter

1340
01:28:48.319 --> 01:28:53.279
what. Oh wow, yeah,
I really to play it. I've seen

1341
01:28:53.439 --> 01:28:56.439
some footage. I'm like, God, damn, this just looks like the

1342
01:28:56.560 --> 01:29:03.279
pinnacle of that Mario. Those that
kind of design ethos they've had since the

1343
01:29:03.279 --> 01:29:08.399
fucking eighties with like established kind of
the rule and then twist the rule and

1344
01:29:08.439 --> 01:29:11.960
then test the rule h that they've
taught. Yeah, I think it's up

1345
01:29:11.960 --> 01:29:15.479
there. Like if somebody argued it
being the best two D Mario, I

1346
01:29:15.800 --> 01:29:17.319
I would not push back. I
don't know if I'd say, like Mario

1347
01:29:17.399 --> 01:29:21.119
World is what I would consider a
perfect video game, But if somebody told

1348
01:29:21.119 --> 01:29:23.680
me they like this more, I
mean i'd be like, yeah, I

1349
01:29:23.920 --> 01:29:27.560
could see it totally. I don't
think it's quite like. I think Odyssey

1350
01:29:28.119 --> 01:29:31.720
raised the bar so much for that
series and platforming in general that that is

1351
01:29:31.720 --> 01:29:35.760
still the pinnacle for me. But
yeah, this is like, if not

1352
01:29:35.840 --> 01:29:40.159
the best, it's right up there
with the best of the two d's wonderful.

1353
01:29:40.279 --> 01:29:44.399
Is obdesstly your favorite three D or
just like the most impactful? So

1354
01:29:44.600 --> 01:29:51.279
I think so unmatched. Yeah,
we replayed it earlier this year. Yeah,

1355
01:29:51.279 --> 01:29:55.039
I replayed it about a year ago, and it's it's just fucking perfect.

1356
01:29:57.520 --> 01:30:03.479
Mary. What have you been playing
aside from a lot besides Alan Wakembake

1357
01:30:03.600 --> 01:30:09.800
too, I've been playing Mineko's Night
Market. Might be Minico, but I

1358
01:30:09.800 --> 01:30:15.800
think it's Mineko's night Market. That's
my assumption. It's super cute indie game

1359
01:30:15.039 --> 01:30:23.359
where you play as Mineko, a
cute new person in a town, and

1360
01:30:24.119 --> 01:30:30.520
you pick flowers or maybe you chop
wood or you cut paper from trees.

1361
01:30:30.600 --> 01:30:38.840
You basically like acquire items from local
spaces and then you craft them into delightful

1362
01:30:38.880 --> 01:30:45.600
little pieces. Maybe it's maybe it's
a cat flower vase, or maybe it's

1363
01:30:45.640 --> 01:30:49.960
a journal, or maybe you make
a piece of art and then every Saturday

1364
01:30:49.960 --> 01:30:53.760
you go to the night market and
you sell it at the local night market.

1365
01:30:54.119 --> 01:30:58.520
It has some serious stardew Valley vibes. That's about to ask that.

1366
01:30:58.720 --> 01:31:01.760
Yeah, I remember how like the
best part, not the best, but

1367
01:31:01.920 --> 01:31:04.239
for me, one of the best
parts. To start, you was like

1368
01:31:04.439 --> 01:31:10.439
they would be like this month,
we're doing the festival, and we expect

1369
01:31:10.479 --> 01:31:14.279
you to sell your best vegetables.
And I was like, I'm going to

1370
01:31:14.319 --> 01:31:19.960
give you the fucking best goddamn fruit
you've ever seen. I'm gonna blow your

1371
01:31:20.039 --> 01:31:28.399
freaking minds. Mineko takes that to
the nine. So you were essentially making

1372
01:31:28.439 --> 01:31:30.479
these crafts, and there are two
versions of the craft, just like starting

1373
01:31:30.560 --> 01:31:36.119
there's a regular version and then there's
a perfect version. You can make perfect

1374
01:31:36.239 --> 01:31:40.359
versions of these crafts and take them
to the night market, and then you

1375
01:31:40.520 --> 01:31:46.600
haggle with local buyers. Then they
want to buy your crafts and they'll pay

1376
01:31:46.640 --> 01:31:53.119
you like six hundred bucks for a
sleeping bag or uh, you know,

1377
01:31:53.199 --> 01:31:58.600
a just a beautiful pinwheel, or
there's so many different things. Flower boxes,

1378
01:31:58.720 --> 01:32:01.680
a lot of things I say are
based because the original craft you can

1379
01:32:01.760 --> 01:32:05.359
only make is because you've picked flowers, and so then you've made flower crafts.

1380
01:32:05.359 --> 01:32:13.359
But this game opens up eventually.
Not only are you getting wood and

1381
01:32:13.520 --> 01:32:19.680
paper, but you are getting minerals, you are getting gemstones, you are

1382
01:32:20.079 --> 01:32:28.479
smelting metal to make really cool types
of crafts. And also you'll see you

1383
01:32:28.560 --> 01:32:31.840
make several comparisons to start you,
because it's obvious, but similar to start

1384
01:32:31.880 --> 01:32:36.359
you, you'll also meet townspeople who'll
be like, I wish I had this

1385
01:32:36.720 --> 01:32:42.760
really special type of ramen, and
it turns out you can buy that from

1386
01:32:42.800 --> 01:32:45.439
the night market. So you'll sell
a bunch of crafts. You'll buy a

1387
01:32:45.560 --> 01:32:48.640
very special type of ramen. You'll
give it to that person in the town.

1388
01:32:48.960 --> 01:32:53.159
Not only will that increase your friendship
meter with them where you'll get a

1389
01:32:53.199 --> 01:32:57.600
heart, but also they'll be like, thanks for giving me this ramen.

1390
01:32:57.840 --> 01:33:00.520
I will now give you two recipes
for new crafts, and now you can

1391
01:33:00.760 --> 01:33:08.399
make new things and kind of excel
your crafting regiment I have. I must

1392
01:33:08.399 --> 01:33:12.000
have over one hundred crafts at this
point, I am going all over this

1393
01:33:12.159 --> 01:33:15.800
town. Also, similar started,
there's kind of a what would you call

1394
01:33:15.840 --> 01:33:19.119
this, like a like a micro
plot where there's something going on. There's

1395
01:33:19.159 --> 01:33:26.119
all the check story. Yeah,
yes, that's exactly right, there's these

1396
01:33:28.119 --> 01:33:32.079
what are they They're just little.
There are men in suits with sunglasses that

1397
01:33:32.159 --> 01:33:38.840
are spying or like observing things,
agents I guess, and you are dealing

1398
01:33:38.880 --> 01:33:42.800
with them. They're investigating. They
think that there's something sneaky going on the

1399
01:33:42.840 --> 01:33:45.640
town, and it turns out that
that sneaky thing that's happening is very close

1400
01:33:45.640 --> 01:33:51.039
to home, and so you're kind
of hiding this secret in your house while

1401
01:33:51.039 --> 01:33:56.680
you're selling your wares and you're trying
to solve the larger puzzle of a missing

1402
01:33:56.760 --> 01:34:01.279
girl, which I think is pretty
neat. It's very alluring. It has

1403
01:34:01.319 --> 01:34:09.399
a great core mechanic of making crafts
and selling them. I will admit I

1404
01:34:09.479 --> 01:34:15.000
found sometimes it was repetitive and I
didn't want to go shave more paper so

1405
01:34:15.039 --> 01:34:18.800
that I could make more paper based
crafts. But you can easily run out

1406
01:34:18.800 --> 01:34:24.199
of one element, which you need
for all your crafts. So it's forcing

1407
01:34:24.239 --> 01:34:30.119
you to go to various areas to
get the elements that you need to make

1408
01:34:30.159 --> 01:34:33.399
your crafts. But I still think
for a cozy game, it ticks all

1409
01:34:33.479 --> 01:34:39.079
my boxes. I've spent way too
much time in this game. I think

1410
01:34:39.119 --> 01:34:44.880
I'm twenty plus hours in, which
is crazy, and I'm not done with

1411
01:34:44.920 --> 01:34:47.439
it, and I think it's great. You spent way too much time.

1412
01:34:47.560 --> 01:34:54.560
Did you spend any money on it? I did not. I've been really

1413
01:34:54.600 --> 01:34:58.960
good. I just looked it up. I have spent no money, but

1414
01:34:59.159 --> 01:35:01.880
I got a code, so that's
different. Right, you bought it.

1415
01:35:03.199 --> 01:35:08.800
I can't say whether or not I
would have accidentally kished something. I think

1416
01:35:08.840 --> 01:35:12.439
that's unfair to assume. Oh no, I don't know why I would ever

1417
01:35:12.479 --> 01:35:15.880
assume that would happen. I think
it seems implausible at best. It's the

1418
01:35:15.880 --> 01:35:17.840
majority of the time. At this
point, I've been really good. I

1419
01:35:20.359 --> 01:35:25.199
received this game and I have enjoyed
it thoroughly. There's been a couple bugs.

1420
01:35:25.279 --> 01:35:28.920
I will admit. One time I
had a game breaking bug and the

1421
01:35:29.000 --> 01:35:32.600
game, like Stardoo, saves every
morning, and because the game crashed in

1422
01:35:32.640 --> 01:35:36.399
the afternoon, I lost all my
morning, which pissed me off because that

1423
01:35:36.520 --> 01:35:41.199
was actually like twenty minutes of work, right, and I just redo the

1424
01:35:41.279 --> 01:35:46.359
exact same game, like I'd picked
the same flowers and do the exact same

1425
01:35:46.359 --> 01:35:53.359
stuff. I think it's extremely sweet
and very thoughtful. It also has really

1426
01:35:53.359 --> 01:35:58.199
good emotional touch points through it.
You're new to town. Your dad's taken

1427
01:35:58.239 --> 01:36:00.760
you new, new new space.
Every once while, you'll have some really

1428
01:36:00.840 --> 01:36:05.239
cute dialogue options where he's explaining why
he's changed your life and that he hopes

1429
01:36:05.279 --> 01:36:12.319
you're doing okay. You meet townspeople
that are fighting with their dad or having

1430
01:36:12.520 --> 01:36:16.359
emotional troubles, and you solve them
either by giving them an item or by

1431
01:36:16.399 --> 01:36:23.159
being the communicator between two parties and
neutralizing the problem. I think it's actually

1432
01:36:23.239 --> 01:36:27.119
quite sweet. I can definitely see
this start two comparisons like new in town,

1433
01:36:27.159 --> 01:36:30.079
old family member, you know,
talking to you, so problems with

1434
01:36:30.159 --> 01:36:32.479
items like yeah, I mean,
but I love Stardoo, so I know

1435
01:36:32.560 --> 01:36:35.319
I do. I haven't spent a
time of time with one of those really

1436
01:36:35.399 --> 01:36:39.439
since, so I wonder when the
next time I will hop into one of

1437
01:36:39.479 --> 01:36:42.159
those. Cult of the Lamb is
the last one. I sort of like

1438
01:36:42.439 --> 01:36:46.199
that I got into. Yeah,
cult is not as like cozy because you

1439
01:36:46.279 --> 01:36:53.000
are killing and there's a huge element
of combat this game has. Yeah,

1440
01:36:53.079 --> 01:36:58.079
there's also the cult. This game
has no combat. This game is picking

1441
01:36:58.520 --> 01:37:04.399
items and crafting, so it's very
cozy. I think it will satisfy cozy

1442
01:37:04.439 --> 01:37:09.960
game enthusiasts. So that is how
I recommend it with the caveat that it's

1443
01:37:09.960 --> 01:37:15.399
got some bugs. It's definitely an
indie game. It had a couple weird

1444
01:37:15.640 --> 01:37:19.119
plot points for me where I didn't
really understand why it was asking me to

1445
01:37:19.159 --> 01:37:24.800
do something that felt so repetitive.
You can get over those hurdles, I

1446
01:37:24.800 --> 01:37:28.479
think for this game, it's it's
it's quite good. A wait for Haunted

1447
01:37:28.560 --> 01:37:32.640
Chocolate tear. I he every time
he posts on Twitter, my heart skips

1448
01:37:32.640 --> 01:37:35.600
a beat. He posted just the
other day and I was like, Yeah,

1449
01:37:35.600 --> 01:37:40.640
I saw that. Where is this
game? Everyone's freaking out? Where

1450
01:37:40.720 --> 01:37:45.359
is it? I feel like I've
not seen anything since that, like initial

1451
01:37:45.560 --> 01:37:48.640
reveal years ago. It felt like, I know it's been ages, but

1452
01:37:48.920 --> 01:37:59.880
that's what hunting Solo game dev banding
the game fucking library. I can't wait.

1453
01:38:00.359 --> 01:38:03.199
Briefly, I also say I finally
played Texas Chainsaw Masacre. I know

1454
01:38:03.239 --> 01:38:08.960
we talked once about playing that as
a group, and I finally played it

1455
01:38:09.000 --> 01:38:15.199
with some friendos this week. It
is complicated. I was surprised, as

1456
01:38:15.239 --> 01:38:17.520
someone who plays a lot of Dead
by Daylight, that's actually not an easy

1457
01:38:17.560 --> 01:38:24.279
game to pick up. You need
lots of different devices in order to do

1458
01:38:24.319 --> 01:38:29.720
different things. I will never forget
the way that I laughed when Grandpa reached

1459
01:38:29.800 --> 01:38:36.000
level two and the game says Grandpa
has reached level twoated Grandpa. Oh shit,

1460
01:38:36.079 --> 01:38:40.399
Grandpa's activity. Grandpa's such a huge
element of the game. But it's

1461
01:38:40.399 --> 01:38:44.399
so funny to try and kill Grandpa
and know that Grandpa is absolutely trying to

1462
01:38:44.479 --> 01:38:47.239
kill you. Yeah, yeah,
and just like ringing a towel of blood

1463
01:38:47.239 --> 01:38:50.479
into his mouth or whatever to I
never played as a killer. I always

1464
01:38:50.520 --> 01:38:54.279
played as a victim. Oh,
okay, did you play as a victim?

1465
01:38:54.279 --> 01:38:57.319
Ever? We just played for like
a UPF for something once, and

1466
01:38:57.359 --> 01:39:01.840
I think we try both. We
tried both, and but just enough of

1467
01:39:01.920 --> 01:39:04.640
both to be confused by both of
them. But we did kind of have

1468
01:39:04.680 --> 01:39:09.399
a good time. It's a good
time. I do think it's a bit

1469
01:39:09.640 --> 01:39:15.039
overly complicated with the amount of mechanics
that they have in it. Obviously,

1470
01:39:15.079 --> 01:39:17.600
I'm just getting started, so I'm
probably gonna die more than I live.

1471
01:39:17.720 --> 01:39:24.600
But I found as a victim,
I only lived once in the entire time

1472
01:39:24.600 --> 01:39:28.880
that I played. It was very
difficult to survive. The cards are stacked

1473
01:39:28.920 --> 01:39:33.079
against you as a victim. Everything
you do makes noise. The Grandpa's constantly

1474
01:39:33.159 --> 01:39:40.520
gaining levels and can scream your location
apparently, Like I think if you get

1475
01:39:40.520 --> 01:39:45.159
touched by the chainsaw guy, you're
done. Like there's no you've been chainsawed

1476
01:39:45.159 --> 01:39:49.800
a little bit. You're either not
chainsawed or you're dead and chainsaw and have

1477
01:39:49.880 --> 01:39:58.000
pretty bad but you're not allowed to
talk and say that because you're dead.

1478
01:39:59.319 --> 01:40:02.479
Having played both from now, I
do like the I appreciate that more simple.

1479
01:40:02.640 --> 01:40:06.239
I don't know if simple as the
word, but focused approach of Dead

1480
01:40:06.239 --> 01:40:09.640
by Daylight where it's like, all
right, you got one killer. There's

1481
01:40:09.680 --> 01:40:12.520
a few things to do here.
Get these things down and get the fuck

1482
01:40:12.520 --> 01:40:18.319
out, like Texas tain saws like
once we're activating Grandpa, and it's a

1483
01:40:18.439 --> 01:40:23.119
neat gag. And I think it's
cool that they were able to make it

1484
01:40:23.159 --> 01:40:26.000
so balanced. I do think it
is like if you look at the general

1485
01:40:26.000 --> 01:40:30.000
player base, it's doing quite well
and people are enjoying it. I personally

1486
01:40:30.000 --> 01:40:34.600
found that Dead by Daylight is you
need to turn on these four machines so

1487
01:40:34.680 --> 01:40:38.319
that you can leave, and if
you don't turn on these machines, you

1488
01:40:38.319 --> 01:40:41.000
will die. Yeah, and there's
one dude running around he's going to kill

1489
01:40:41.039 --> 01:40:43.640
you, so just don't let them
kill you, like a simplicity there.

1490
01:40:43.640 --> 01:40:46.279
Then there's a simplicity that works for
Dead by Daylight for me, So that

1491
01:40:46.439 --> 01:40:49.880
was how I feel about it.
But I think for Dead by Daylight fans,

1492
01:40:49.920 --> 01:40:55.520
they probably already play Texas Chainsaw Masacre. But as a game pass game

1493
01:40:55.520 --> 01:41:00.079
that I totally did not kish,
I thought it was a decent game pass

1494
01:41:00.119 --> 01:41:05.279
game that I game passed. You
came passed for no money. Yeah,

1495
01:41:05.319 --> 01:41:12.680
okay, Dan, you've you've been
playing David the Diver. That was my

1496
01:41:12.800 --> 01:41:16.039
raw Dog flight game. Yeah,
I played that while I was raw Dog

1497
01:41:16.079 --> 01:41:23.520
And yeah, I said, no
one ever oh yeah, yeah, yea

1498
01:41:23.560 --> 01:41:27.520
ye, Yeah, it's a it's
been talked about before. I just want

1499
01:41:27.560 --> 01:41:30.199
to throw my hat at the ring
saying I played it, uh every second

1500
01:41:30.319 --> 01:41:33.880
of all my flights uh in the
last like two days. And it is

1501
01:41:33.960 --> 01:41:38.079
a great Steam deck game. I
know it's on Switch now too, so

1502
01:41:38.119 --> 01:41:42.079
I assume it's a great Switch game. Yeah. I think I think you

1503
01:41:42.079 --> 01:41:45.479
you guys talked about how satisfying the
loop was, like gonna hunt these fish,

1504
01:41:45.520 --> 01:41:49.560
gonna get more upgrades that let me
go deeper and hunt better and stuff,

1505
01:41:49.680 --> 01:41:53.479
and then you like, I love
the parts where that's done. I

1506
01:41:53.479 --> 01:41:55.960
did my morning, my afternoon dives, and then it's like, let's go

1507
01:41:55.960 --> 01:41:58.079
to the bar and like, I
got all those fish, let's level up

1508
01:41:58.119 --> 01:42:00.600
all my sushi and oh there's a
VIP year that wants a special like mushroom

1509
01:42:00.640 --> 01:42:04.119
dish, and I'm hiring staff now
and that's super satisfying wants. They're like,

1510
01:42:04.119 --> 01:42:05.840
oh, now they can fill drinks
for me and I can. I

1511
01:42:05.840 --> 01:42:10.119
can work on the masabi and do
all these like. It is so fun.

1512
01:42:10.199 --> 01:42:14.239
It is so unique in the loop
that it has. And goddamn if

1513
01:42:14.239 --> 01:42:16.560
it's if it's not just the perfect
like Airplane raw Dog game, if you're

1514
01:42:16.600 --> 01:42:26.000
looking for one the mike mute,
he thinks so on accident, Uh,

1515
01:42:26.520 --> 01:42:29.439
speaking of raw Dog games, if
you needed another one once you finished,

1516
01:42:29.479 --> 01:42:32.119
David Diver, I mean we've talked
about it before, but uh, I

1517
01:42:32.239 --> 01:42:34.800
the more I played Pickmin four,
the more I'm just obsessed with it as

1518
01:42:34.800 --> 01:42:40.520
well. Yes, Pickman is really
good and darts of Dan Dori. Just

1519
01:42:40.560 --> 01:42:43.359
to close it, Dave, the
Diver is fantastic. I'm glad you really

1520
01:42:43.399 --> 01:42:47.680
liked it, Dan, But let's
let's talk about the on rival joy that

1521
01:42:47.840 --> 01:42:51.399
is Pickman. For well, it's
just like it's I keep calling it meditative,

1522
01:42:51.399 --> 01:43:00.760
but it is. It does really
capture the satisfaction of multitasking efficient and

1523
01:43:00.840 --> 01:43:06.800
like just hyper if efficions making how
do you even say it? Like,

1524
01:43:09.279 --> 01:43:15.279
uh, just going all out on
making your crew of Pickman and Awatchee as

1525
01:43:15.840 --> 01:43:20.159
efficient as possible is so rewarding and
satisfying and just the game never gets hard.

1526
01:43:20.159 --> 01:43:23.000
There are a couple of bosses where
I had to like think a little

1527
01:43:23.000 --> 01:43:25.319
bit about how to fight, or
like bigger wild animals, I had to

1528
01:43:25.319 --> 01:43:28.720
think about how to fight them.
But all the puzzles are mainly just like

1529
01:43:30.039 --> 01:43:31.640
it's kind of like a simple RTS
level. It's like, all right,

1530
01:43:31.680 --> 01:43:35.279
you go do that, and then
you you guys go you fight that monster,

1531
01:43:35.439 --> 01:43:40.079
and then you go get to work
on this supply pile. Keep bringing

1532
01:43:40.079 --> 01:43:43.119
that back. Oh right, I'll
quick move the base for a second while

1533
01:43:43.119 --> 01:43:48.439
we're doing all this. It's the
most relaxing game ever. Like I'm just

1534
01:43:48.439 --> 01:43:55.800
smiling and yeah, so happy.
Yeah, great playing game, which I'm

1535
01:43:55.920 --> 01:43:59.159
I'm looking at our game of the
year categories right now. We should have

1536
01:43:59.199 --> 01:44:01.760
the best playing I mean pickming foward, Dave the Diver Cocoon. I feel

1537
01:44:01.800 --> 01:44:05.439
like there's some some good contenders here
for good good playing games this year.

1538
01:44:06.239 --> 01:44:11.920
Like I feel like Vampire Survivors would
have been won last year. I did?

1539
01:44:12.079 --> 01:44:15.319
Did that win last year? Maybe
I'm looking at the last year's categories

1540
01:44:15.399 --> 01:44:17.640
got pretty high up? Did we
do a playing game one last year?

1541
01:44:18.199 --> 01:44:20.920
Best playing with Buds, Best West
of the Year, grapple thing of the

1542
01:44:21.000 --> 01:44:26.760
year is so good? Best game
that seems like an old game, dumb

1543
01:44:26.800 --> 01:44:28.640
thing of the year, bad,
dumb thing of the year. Good,

1544
01:44:28.680 --> 01:44:30.199
we'll do those again, most up
its own ass of the year. Oh,

1545
01:44:30.239 --> 01:44:34.399
that was one. That was Mike
Marharty's twenty twenty one review of dest

1546
01:44:34.399 --> 01:44:39.720
s Randing. That was that won? That thing we forgot came out this

1547
01:44:39.880 --> 01:44:43.079
year? Do we do playing game? Maybe we didn't. If you do

1548
01:44:43.119 --> 01:44:45.760
playing game? We had Cozies Best
year playing Game? Yes, Vampire Survivors

1549
01:44:45.800 --> 01:44:49.920
won, with the follow ups being
Rogue Legacy two and Door Romantic Deserved.

1550
01:44:50.399 --> 01:44:53.920
Yeah, yeah that's right. Oh, Kisten of the Year. We should

1551
01:44:53.920 --> 01:44:57.920
have had that too, No,
because I don't have that many this year.

1552
01:44:57.920 --> 01:45:00.720
I've been really good. Have you
don't have a last over five?

1553
01:45:04.560 --> 01:45:08.159
I put it in the document.
Yeah, that's it. It's locked in

1554
01:45:08.199 --> 01:45:13.920
it. It's it's blocked this year. What the plan is? Should we

1555
01:45:13.960 --> 01:45:15.560
say what the change? Does it
matter? Or should we just there's not

1556
01:45:15.600 --> 01:45:19.359
too much of a change, is
it. I'm still the same format.

1557
01:45:19.399 --> 01:45:23.399
It's basically just where we're at.
Yeah, we're going to Minneapolis. We

1558
01:45:23.439 --> 01:45:27.359
were gonna go to Portland, but
we all agreed that Dan is a really

1559
01:45:27.399 --> 01:45:30.640
cool new place and it's already set
up to do this awesome stream, so

1560
01:45:30.680 --> 01:45:33.399
it makes it central to us,
and it's central. I think that's important

1561
01:45:33.439 --> 01:45:38.199
too. Yep, yep. So
we will be here at my place again,

1562
01:45:38.399 --> 01:45:41.560
and I bought a big ground table
and I'll put some microphones on.

1563
01:45:41.760 --> 01:45:45.760
Yay. I'm at your bar the
whole night. Yes, yes, I'm

1564
01:45:45.600 --> 01:45:48.600
drunk or I can scream, but
I'm sitting at that bar the whole night.

1565
01:45:48.960 --> 01:45:53.920
Excellent. I'm gonna get like obnoxiously
drunk and like break stuff in your

1566
01:45:53.920 --> 01:45:57.439
house. There's a billion bottles of
wine and other stuff at that bar.

1567
01:45:57.560 --> 01:46:01.119
So I don't know, let's ruin
that nice house. Sounds good. It's

1568
01:46:01.119 --> 01:46:03.680
going to be very happy to see
you again. Mary. Oh my god,

1569
01:46:03.760 --> 01:46:08.079
I think about Giz all the time. He thinks about you a lot

1570
01:46:08.159 --> 01:46:14.880
too. We don't have a day
yet, but it'll probably be mid December

1571
01:46:15.079 --> 01:46:18.880
post Game Awards, post Post Game
Awards, then Giant Bomb's gonna do their

1572
01:46:18.920 --> 01:46:21.359
Game of the Year, and then
we will do ours, you know,

1573
01:46:21.880 --> 01:46:27.279
before Christmas, so look in the
like teens area of December, probably,

1574
01:46:27.319 --> 01:46:30.199
so we'll we'll let you know and
be obnoxious about it once we know for

1575
01:46:30.239 --> 01:46:35.159
sure. Sounds good. I have
one more because I took a week off

1576
01:46:35.439 --> 01:46:40.680
like Mike did, so before we
move on, I also want to talk

1577
01:46:40.720 --> 01:46:45.079
about Wizard with a Gun. Good
title. Yeah, are you sold?

1578
01:46:46.640 --> 01:46:56.319
Oh? W wag? Yeah.
Wizard with a Gun is very similar to

1579
01:46:57.800 --> 01:47:04.199
Don't Starve meets Bastion. Okay,
it's good looking, has great soundtrack.

1580
01:47:06.000 --> 01:47:15.319
It is all about finding things in
a world that is procedurally generated and dies

1581
01:47:15.560 --> 01:47:17.680
when you leave it because the concept
is that the world is ending, so

1582
01:47:17.680 --> 01:47:21.479
when you leave the world, it
dies and you don't get to see it

1583
01:47:21.520 --> 01:47:27.800
again, and then you rewind time
to go back to the world to get

1584
01:47:27.800 --> 01:47:31.439
more resources. So every time you're
playing it, it's a bit different hind

1585
01:47:31.479 --> 01:47:34.640
the way that like a MAJORA does
it or it's the same world, or

1586
01:47:34.720 --> 01:47:39.239
is it like procedurally generating like every
time proscedurally generated, so the world is

1587
01:47:39.279 --> 01:47:44.920
totally different every time, but it
has the same stuff, right Similarly to

1588
01:47:45.000 --> 01:47:48.119
don't starve, what you end up
kind of doing is acquiring resources to build

1589
01:47:48.159 --> 01:47:55.239
machines, and then the machines really
help you to have much more nuance with

1590
01:47:55.279 --> 01:47:59.880
your load out the type of guns
that you carry right now. For example,

1591
01:48:00.600 --> 01:48:06.239
I have five different guns. One
of them shoots freezing bullets that travel

1592
01:48:06.319 --> 01:48:15.359
really slowly, and the other it's
the same gun the other trigger shoots explosive

1593
01:48:15.439 --> 01:48:19.960
bullets that have a massive arc,
so that I can do like huge aoi

1594
01:48:20.560 --> 01:48:25.760
and so I can freeze people until
they're frozen and then shoot an AOI at

1595
01:48:25.760 --> 01:48:29.319
them and kill them. So that's
pretty fun. But there's that much nuance

1596
01:48:29.640 --> 01:48:34.600
to every gun. There's poison,
there's stuff that slows down. Oh,

1597
01:48:34.640 --> 01:48:42.039
there's like anti gravity, you can
move items, you can grow ground,

1598
01:48:42.239 --> 01:48:46.680
if that even makes sense. It
is an extra Yes, there's an extraordinary

1599
01:48:46.680 --> 01:48:53.560
amount of types of gun, bullet
and bullet modifiers. So every gun is

1600
01:48:53.640 --> 01:48:57.680
extraordinarily unique to you. And when
you come across one in the world,

1601
01:48:57.840 --> 01:49:00.600
or you can eventually build them with
the machine that you're growing you're getting.

1602
01:49:02.520 --> 01:49:11.079
The customization of your loadout will be
very uniquely yours, which I quite enjoy.

1603
01:49:11.800 --> 01:49:15.680
But it takes a lot of materials
to be able to build these machines

1604
01:49:15.880 --> 01:49:20.119
and then make your custom gun and
load out. Looking at these images here,

1605
01:49:20.159 --> 01:49:26.560
you're not kidding about Bastian like that
perspective is just like actually, yeah,

1606
01:49:26.720 --> 01:49:30.319
definitely. It also has a Bastion
sound. So the music, you

1607
01:49:30.359 --> 01:49:32.119
know, how like AMBASTIONI there was
always like this kind of like singer songwriter

1608
01:49:32.239 --> 01:49:36.239
person in the world. Okay,
in Wizard with a Gun, there's literally

1609
01:49:36.279 --> 01:49:41.439
a guy playing the banjo in the
world that's dying, and so you'll hear

1610
01:49:41.600 --> 01:49:45.239
him and he'll be like telling you
a little ditty, and you can come

1611
01:49:45.279 --> 01:49:50.039
across him and he'll talk to you
and stuff like that. You'll come across

1612
01:49:50.039 --> 01:49:55.600
all sorts of various people who will
teach you different types of things, how

1613
01:49:55.640 --> 01:50:01.520
to make potions so that you can
heal, or how to have a different

1614
01:50:01.520 --> 01:50:04.720
type of load out that you didn't
have before, and modifiers and things like

1615
01:50:04.760 --> 01:50:08.279
that. You'll also come across people
who are like, I'm trapped and I

1616
01:50:08.319 --> 01:50:12.760
need you to help me, but
you need to solve with your resources.

1617
01:50:13.079 --> 01:50:16.520
How you will get them off that
island, or how you will kill this

1618
01:50:16.680 --> 01:50:21.600
huge boss that's actually quite difficult to
kill. If you die in the world,

1619
01:50:23.600 --> 01:50:26.600
you lose your entire load out,
which is pretty gutting, Like you

1620
01:50:26.720 --> 01:50:29.880
lose all of your good guns and
all of your bullets, which take a

1621
01:50:29.880 --> 01:50:32.720
lot of resources to acquire. So
it's kind of devastating to die in that

1622
01:50:32.760 --> 01:50:40.119
world. It persistent when you die. What is persistent everything that is in

1623
01:50:40.159 --> 01:50:45.319
your home world. So you can
keep all of your machines, all of

1624
01:50:45.359 --> 01:50:51.039
your You can have drawers filled with
your stuff, your resources, and you

1625
01:50:51.039 --> 01:50:56.920
can save all that stuff for you
know if you die and then you'll still

1626
01:50:56.960 --> 01:51:00.520
have it all. So I still
have all of my machine. I have

1627
01:51:00.600 --> 01:51:03.840
a lot of really good resources.
Every time you kill something, I forget

1628
01:51:03.880 --> 01:51:09.119
what it's called, but you get
like a little card, and I save

1629
01:51:09.239 --> 01:51:13.399
all of my cards because that's those
are my kill cards. Those are that

1630
01:51:13.479 --> 01:51:15.399
took me. That took me eighty
enemies to get those eighty cards, So

1631
01:51:15.399 --> 01:51:18.680
I keep all of those in a
lock box. I never go into the

1632
01:51:18.720 --> 01:51:23.119
world with my cards. But if
I die in the world, I lose

1633
01:51:23.159 --> 01:51:26.640
that load out, and then I
have to rebuild all that stuff the big

1634
01:51:26.960 --> 01:51:30.479
thing for me, and I haven't
done it yet because I play this on

1635
01:51:30.520 --> 01:51:32.399
an airplane and I've gone pretty sucked
in. I think it's I think it's

1636
01:51:32.439 --> 01:51:36.159
a neat idea and concept. It
has a really good loop. It's co

1637
01:51:36.239 --> 01:51:42.920
op, and I really want to
play this with another person and see how

1638
01:51:43.000 --> 01:51:45.560
far we can get with two people, because, similarly to Don't Starve,

1639
01:51:45.840 --> 01:51:48.840
the game is very intimidating by yourself, but once you have another person,

1640
01:51:49.199 --> 01:51:54.439
you can get pretty far in it. So I think playing Wizard with a

1641
01:51:54.479 --> 01:52:00.319
gun with another FRIENDO will make that
game quite fun. And I haven't even

1642
01:52:00.399 --> 01:52:03.079
had that experience yet. And I
think this game is neat nice. You

1643
01:52:03.159 --> 01:52:05.720
mentioned it being a good playing game. Should I put it down as a

1644
01:52:05.760 --> 01:52:10.039
nominee for Best Playing Game of twenty
twenty three. I don't think it's going

1645
01:52:10.119 --> 01:52:14.399
to hold a card to like Cocoon
or anything like that, but I think

1646
01:52:14.439 --> 01:52:17.520
that if you're like, it's empty, we only have three contendees, I

1647
01:52:17.560 --> 01:52:23.520
think it could be, but it's
not gonna Is there a word for that?

1648
01:52:23.600 --> 01:52:26.319
When it's like, it's such a
good nomination but there's no way it's

1649
01:52:26.319 --> 01:52:31.159
gonna win. You just want to
put it on there get taken off or

1650
01:52:31.239 --> 01:52:34.399
something. It's like, he's so
perfect, you got to nominate him.

1651
01:52:34.439 --> 01:52:38.640
But he's not gonna win. You
know what. Alex Navarro was notorious for

1652
01:52:38.680 --> 01:52:40.600
doing that during Giant Bomb Game of
the Years, where he's like, I

1653
01:52:40.640 --> 01:52:42.439
know this isn't gonna win, but
I just got to say my piece.

1654
01:52:42.479 --> 01:52:44.640
I'm gonna put it on just to
take it off. So we're gonna call

1655
01:52:44.680 --> 01:52:46.199
that a Navarro Navarro, you want
to put it on as a Navarro,

1656
01:52:46.279 --> 01:52:48.720
we can do that. I think
it's a good Navarro. It'd be an

1657
01:52:48.720 --> 01:52:51.760
audible mention, but Navarro's snappy.
I just want to say my piece about

1658
01:52:51.760 --> 01:52:56.640
it. I think the game is
great. It's hang. It's not gonna

1659
01:52:56.640 --> 01:52:59.920
hang, but he'd always say so, it's not gonna hang. But I

1660
01:53:00.079 --> 01:53:04.119
think it's worth mentioning. And I
think that if people are looking for imagine

1661
01:53:04.560 --> 01:53:08.359
all these people out there going to
bed at night and then waking up and

1662
01:53:08.359 --> 01:53:14.760
going I just wish there was a
Bastion Slash don't Starve co op experience for

1663
01:53:14.840 --> 01:53:18.760
me. Boy, howdy do I
have the answer for you? But yeah,

1664
01:53:18.880 --> 01:53:24.199
it's it's it's cool, cool,
all right? So Allen Wake two

1665
01:53:24.199 --> 01:53:26.880
game of the Year. Do you
guys want to do emails? I want

1666
01:53:26.880 --> 01:53:30.800
to say it's gonna be so fucking
interesting, because it's going to be.

1667
01:53:31.199 --> 01:53:34.800
But there's also weird shit too,
where it's like there's a lot of games

1668
01:53:34.800 --> 01:53:36.800
that, like, you know,
one of us is crazy hot on the

1669
01:53:36.840 --> 01:53:40.439
other two like a lot or two
of us really love or one of us

1670
01:53:40.439 --> 01:53:44.680
doesn't like, and then there's just
like dark horse shit like Pickman four where

1671
01:53:44.680 --> 01:53:47.119
we all love it. So like
there's the weird consensus threat of like a

1672
01:53:47.159 --> 01:53:50.640
weird game that you wouldn't expect me
like, I have no fucking idea what

1673
01:53:50.680 --> 01:53:53.720
our game of the Year is going
to be, and that is very exciting

1674
01:53:53.720 --> 01:53:57.039
to me because I can, like
I can kind of assume what Jake's might

1675
01:53:57.079 --> 01:54:00.760
be, I can kind of assume
what Dan's might be to Mary's. And

1676
01:54:00.760 --> 01:54:02.560
I'm sure you guys have a read
on like certain games I've liked, but

1677
01:54:02.680 --> 01:54:08.439
yeah, I'm going I'm gonna fight
for cocoons so hard. I think that

1678
01:54:08.479 --> 01:54:13.760
game's fucking brilliant, very cool,
good playing game, raw Dog or no,

1679
01:54:14.720 --> 01:54:18.239
damn it, let's you guys,
Yes, yeah, okay. As

1680
01:54:18.279 --> 01:54:21.239
usually, you can run into fire
skate Cast at gmail dot com, questions,

1681
01:54:21.239 --> 01:54:26.119
comments, concerns, corrections a ladder
of which I throw in the trash

1682
01:54:26.760 --> 01:54:29.800
fire skate cast at gmail dot com. I'm kidding. I've actually read a

1683
01:54:29.840 --> 01:54:33.600
few corrections in the last few episodes. The rare time I get anything wrong,

1684
01:54:35.520 --> 01:54:42.880
We've got a couple tonight, wess
are uh often time our frequent writer

1685
01:54:43.199 --> 01:54:45.199
has another one tonight, Mary?
Do you want to read this one from

1686
01:54:45.800 --> 01:54:50.920
Wes from Baltimore? Sure? Hello. So when I was younger, I

1687
01:54:51.039 --> 01:54:55.920
was playing Red Alert to and there's
a mission where you have to capture the

1688
01:54:55.960 --> 01:54:59.720
Twin Towers or something. I was
playing this and my mom came in the

1689
01:54:59.800 --> 01:55:03.439
room and saw the Twin Towers on
my screen with planes flying around and said,

1690
01:55:04.479 --> 01:55:08.439
when did this game come out?
I wonder if that's where they got

1691
01:55:08.479 --> 01:55:15.039
the idea? Is dark? What's
one of the most absurd commons somebody has

1692
01:55:15.079 --> 01:55:17.800
made about a game you were playing? Thanks Wes from Baltimore. Well,

1693
01:55:17.840 --> 01:55:20.840
I mean they did have to take
that game off the shelves and switch the

1694
01:55:21.159 --> 01:55:26.560
box art because the original box arto
the Twin Towers on fire behind the guy

1695
01:55:26.640 --> 01:55:31.119
with the Soviet eyepatch thing. Yeah, they swapped it out and changed the

1696
01:55:31.119 --> 01:55:36.960
Boxer, Yeah, mine would be. I was reviewing Okami when it first

1697
01:55:38.000 --> 01:55:41.600
came out, and I remember playing
it. I was in college, and

1698
01:55:41.840 --> 01:55:44.680
I was just like in awe of
the visuals. I was like, this

1699
01:55:44.720 --> 01:55:47.279
is the most beautiful, like this
watercolor painting that I'm playing, Like just

1700
01:55:47.399 --> 01:55:51.840
visually graphically, this is incredible.
And my upstairs neighbor, who you may

1701
01:55:51.880 --> 01:55:55.279
have heard the story before, and
this is the guy that broke into my

1702
01:55:55.279 --> 01:55:57.520
apartment with a knife and tried to
stab me and I had to send him

1703
01:55:57.560 --> 01:56:00.760
to jail and everything. Anyway,
very broy ass dude comes down, who

1704
01:56:00.840 --> 01:56:03.520
stands He's looking at the screen for
a little bit and he goes like,

1705
01:56:04.039 --> 01:56:06.960
God, what are you gonna give
this game for graphics? It's got to

1706
01:56:08.000 --> 01:56:11.520
be like a zero out of ten, right, And I was like what

1707
01:56:11.680 --> 01:56:15.680
And he goes like, look,
this looks like a cartoon. This doesn't

1708
01:56:15.680 --> 01:56:18.039
look real at all. It is
Oh my god, it's gotta look real.

1709
01:56:18.560 --> 01:56:23.359
He was the most like Madden GTA
guy ever, which you good games,

1710
01:56:23.359 --> 01:56:26.920
but like just equated good graphics with
realistic graphics. And I was like,

1711
01:56:27.079 --> 01:56:29.880
in the middle of in awe of
this game, He's like, what

1712
01:56:29.920 --> 01:56:33.079
are you good? Bar this game
looks like shit. Yeah. I had

1713
01:56:33.119 --> 01:56:35.800
a few of those moments when I
was younger. I think more people have

1714
01:56:35.920 --> 01:56:45.279
moved past the realism is good looking
uh criteria in terms of most bizarre comment.

1715
01:56:46.520 --> 01:56:53.239
I yeah, my dad, I
love the shit out of him.

1716
01:56:54.119 --> 01:57:01.720
Came down. I'm not a fan. I figured I would care for him

1717
01:57:02.520 --> 01:57:05.760
careful. Was that the first time
you guys met him? No, I've

1718
01:57:05.760 --> 01:57:10.319
met a long time ago, like
San Franceno in Minnesota. I think we

1719
01:57:10.319 --> 01:57:14.800
got juicy lo. I met your
brother who went to game Spot and apparently

1720
01:57:15.279 --> 01:57:17.520
I don't remember this, but your
brother was like, you gave me ship

1721
01:57:17.600 --> 01:57:19.920
about not knowing how to play Rocket
League. And I was like, I

1722
01:57:19.920 --> 01:57:23.800
don't remember this, but that does
sound like something I would say. It

1723
01:57:23.880 --> 01:57:28.600
does sound like I would say to
a stranger, to a family member of

1724
01:57:28.720 --> 01:57:31.520
my friend and coworker, this bitch
does not play Rocket League. I don't

1725
01:57:31.520 --> 01:57:34.439
even like him. I took the
day off, I remember, and then

1726
01:57:34.479 --> 01:57:36.319
we stopped it. At the end
of the day when everybody was drinking and

1727
01:57:36.319 --> 01:57:40.359
playing Rocket League. He's like,
this is your office, Like yeah,

1728
01:57:41.359 --> 01:57:44.880
stopping into work. He's like,
He's like, should we be We've been

1729
01:57:44.920 --> 01:57:45.800
drinking a lot today. Should we
go into your place at work. I'm

1730
01:57:45.840 --> 01:57:50.159
like, trust me, it'll be
fine. And I'm drunk. I'm the

1731
01:57:50.199 --> 01:57:57.079
bridge just showering. That was like
that something tells me we'll be fine.

1732
01:57:57.479 --> 01:58:03.199
No. My dad came down into
the basement once. What was I playing?

1733
01:58:04.800 --> 01:58:08.399
I was playing Robin Hood Defender of
the Crown. We talked about this

1734
01:58:08.439 --> 01:58:10.960
the last episode I was on.
I know you guys have not heard it.

1735
01:58:11.000 --> 01:58:17.239
If you want to google it,
that'll help convey how uh uh like

1736
01:58:18.239 --> 01:58:24.359
bizarre this was. My dad came
down and saw me playing Robin Hood Defender

1737
01:58:24.399 --> 01:58:27.439
the Crown. It was like,
was this a PS two? Like,

1738
01:58:27.520 --> 01:58:31.039
yep, been playing at PS It's
on Xbox and uh, it's on Xbox

1739
01:58:31.079 --> 01:58:34.479
as well, and that got me
in the mood to watch. I think

1740
01:58:34.479 --> 01:58:41.560
it was the Kevin Costner Robin Hood. Sure. And he came back downstairs

1741
01:58:41.600 --> 01:58:45.119
like the next day and I was
watching the Kevin Costner Robin Hood. He's

1742
01:58:45.159 --> 01:58:49.079
like, did you did you like
upgrade your graphics card or something like just

1743
01:58:49.199 --> 01:58:55.760
dead serious like thought that was the
game I was playing, and actual Kevin

1744
01:58:55.800 --> 01:58:58.199
Costner. I don't know that Kevin
Costner's in the scene, but you could

1745
01:58:58.199 --> 01:59:00.279
he could tell it was a Robin
Hood movie, and he just thought that

1746
01:59:00.319 --> 01:59:04.119
I was still playing the game and
it was melting his mind, and that

1747
01:59:04.319 --> 01:59:08.800
like the p S two could put
out that kind of those kind of graphics.

1748
01:59:09.399 --> 01:59:11.000
And I was like, no,
Dad, this is the Movie's like,

1749
01:59:11.079 --> 01:59:12.960
this is the Was that the movie
yesterday? I was like, no,

1750
01:59:13.039 --> 01:59:15.199
that was the PS two game.
He's like, oh, so there's

1751
01:59:15.279 --> 01:59:17.199
yeah, you're watching the movie and
playing the game. Was like, yeah,

1752
01:59:17.239 --> 01:59:19.399
the game got me into a Robin
Hood mood. And I was like,

1753
01:59:19.439 --> 01:59:24.560
I wonder I'd never seen Robinhood.
Dad. Then on my Robinhood face,

1754
01:59:24.680 --> 01:59:28.159
Dad, go upstairs, get out
of my room, Dad, I

1755
01:59:28.239 --> 01:59:32.520
really, you're also dressed as Robin
Hood. Yeah, I mean he made

1756
01:59:32.520 --> 01:59:39.119
Marion framed pictures all around your bed. Oh god, from men and tights.

1757
01:59:39.680 --> 01:59:45.520
That made Marian with the chastity belt. Oh yeah, that's like eight

1758
01:59:45.680 --> 01:59:56.439
wigs of hair pulled a lot to
her quite a bit. I remember that

1759
01:59:56.520 --> 02:00:02.560
song shot some bloads in my toilet
thinking about herd If you know what I

1760
02:00:02.600 --> 02:00:09.920
mean, you're speaking code. I
jacked off until I came with her.

1761
02:00:12.800 --> 02:00:17.039
I printed off a collage of her
fan art of what it looked like under

1762
02:00:17.079 --> 02:00:26.840
the gen Chastity Bell. That's gross. I remember when I played the original

1763
02:00:26.920 --> 02:00:30.319
Gears of War in my house.
These are there are a lot of parents

1764
02:00:30.359 --> 02:00:33.079
ones. My mom came in and
was like, what's this game about?

1765
02:00:33.199 --> 02:00:39.079
And I was like, well,
you see, I'm from I'm a human

1766
02:00:39.319 --> 02:00:45.439
from Sarah and there's a Locus war
because the Locust Horde came up in Emergence

1767
02:00:45.520 --> 02:00:48.600
Day and started fighting us. And
I'm like in the middle of the battle,

1768
02:00:48.640 --> 02:00:54.439
and my mom's like, but have
you tried anything else besides fighting them?

1769
02:00:54.760 --> 02:00:58.199
And I was like, you mean, like diplomacy gious? Yeah,

1770
02:00:58.239 --> 02:01:01.840
the dialogue system drilled deep in gear. She's like, yeah, you guys

1771
02:01:01.880 --> 02:01:04.800
like tied talking about it or working
it out. I was like, this

1772
02:01:04.880 --> 02:01:11.680
game is really more about sawing chainsawing
people's faces. I don't think there is

1773
02:01:11.720 --> 02:01:17.279
any opportunity for me to like discuss
options for us sharing the land. I

1774
02:01:17.279 --> 02:01:19.920
don't know, it's just never came
up. But I love the idea that

1775
02:01:19.920 --> 02:01:24.640
my mom's like thought was like,
actually, that's quite sweet that my mom

1776
02:01:24.800 --> 02:01:28.119
was original thought was like maybe we
can work it out. It's very pure.

1777
02:01:28.279 --> 02:01:31.239
Yes, I may have told the
one of my stepdad ex stepdad,

1778
02:01:31.239 --> 02:01:33.720
I guess when I was playing Twist
Metal two with him and we would go

1779
02:01:33.760 --> 02:01:36.319
through the co op campaign all the
time, and I learned about a new

1780
02:01:36.359 --> 02:01:41.439
code in a magazine called sell your
Soul. Yeah, yeah, all your

1781
02:01:41.479 --> 02:01:43.439
weapons and you'd sell it me.
He was like, gotten super cud.

1782
02:01:43.520 --> 02:01:45.960
Yeah, I've told it. So
he got very religious about it. Yeah,

1783
02:01:45.000 --> 02:01:46.840
he paused it and he's like,
don't you ever say that again?

1784
02:01:47.000 --> 02:01:51.680
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure there's
probably some religious stuff my parents are,

1785
02:01:51.840 --> 02:01:56.239
like family members said at some point, but I don't think I would like

1786
02:01:57.199 --> 02:02:00.439
there's definitely like games I've played that
I feel like my mom would not approve

1787
02:02:00.479 --> 02:02:04.079
of if she knew all that was
going on. But most of the time

1788
02:02:04.199 --> 02:02:09.119
I feel like she just kind of
like observed and left alone. I got

1789
02:02:09.119 --> 02:02:13.640
in very big trouble once, it's
for something related, like I only ever

1790
02:02:13.680 --> 02:02:16.279
got my parents didn't ground us,
like they found my dad made me write

1791
02:02:16.399 --> 02:02:19.279
essays about what I heard. Your
dad told me about that at the wedding.

1792
02:02:19.279 --> 02:02:21.880
He told you that he told me
about your essays and he's like,

1793
02:02:21.880 --> 02:02:26.560
I left. I Mike Wrights now
like yeah, because you made me like

1794
02:02:26.600 --> 02:02:30.399
write twelve hundred words about like what
how I shouldn't have like called my neighbor

1795
02:02:30.399 --> 02:02:35.560
a dildo or something like he took
credit for prowess. Yeah, he writing

1796
02:02:35.600 --> 02:02:39.920
on the board. Yeah, well, I'd like to take some credit for

1797
02:02:39.920 --> 02:02:44.319
that. I will not call my
neighbor a dildo. Yeah and he Yeah.

1798
02:02:44.359 --> 02:02:48.640
But anyway, one time, my
parents, I think, had several

1799
02:02:48.720 --> 02:02:56.000
of us watch the Passion of the
Christ, and I was getting bored and

1800
02:02:56.119 --> 02:03:00.079
like, like during like the most
intense part, like during the I'm sorry,

1801
02:03:00.239 --> 02:03:05.159
don't spoil it. During the crucifixion, I said out loud, they

1802
02:03:05.199 --> 02:03:12.920
should make a video game about this, And my parents got pissed and like

1803
02:03:13.159 --> 02:03:15.439
I was in my room for the
rest of the night, and then I

1804
02:03:15.479 --> 02:03:18.000
was not allowed to like play PS
two games the rest of the week,

1805
02:03:18.720 --> 02:03:20.960
grounded. But I also couldn't play
an again. Somebody as well, don't

1806
02:03:21.000 --> 02:03:25.920
think that this is a sick video
game. Probably would be a good video

1807
02:03:26.000 --> 02:03:31.359
game. Yeah, that was my
senuous sacrifice could be as praised as it

1808
02:03:31.560 --> 02:03:42.039
was. Imagine Jesus's sacrifice. Yeah, it's like fucking just like you you're

1809
02:03:42.840 --> 02:03:48.520
you know, turning water into wine
and yeah, press as minigame. Yeah,

1810
02:03:48.600 --> 02:03:51.680
turn the water into wine. That's
good. I would play the Jesus

1811
02:03:51.800 --> 02:03:56.880
version of Warriorwere which is a bunch
of Bible stories, but it's Warriorware style.

1812
02:03:57.520 --> 02:04:00.319
You just have to hop across water. Yeah, I gotta part of

1813
02:04:00.319 --> 02:04:03.399
the sea. You gotta cure of
the tablets town. Pardon, the sea

1814
02:04:03.479 --> 02:04:09.800
was not Jesus. I know what
I'm saying. Jesus is adjacent. Be

1815
02:04:09.880 --> 02:04:15.039
pedantic about it. The idea is
it's like Smite the game, just like

1816
02:04:15.199 --> 02:04:18.000
Smite. You guys have played Spike. Yeah, oh yeah, I believe

1817
02:04:18.039 --> 02:04:25.560
that's based off of Jesus. Yes, yep, definitely, but yes,

1818
02:04:25.600 --> 02:04:29.159
thank you Wes for writing in.
I'll read this one. This is from

1819
02:04:29.199 --> 02:04:32.479
my wife. Uh, she has
a question too, which I have a

1820
02:04:32.520 --> 02:04:36.319
pretty funny recent answer for. Hello
fire skip cast. I wanted to take

1821
02:04:36.319 --> 02:04:40.880
the opportunity to thank each of you
for attending and being essential parts are fantastic

1822
02:04:40.880 --> 02:04:44.640
wedding two weeks ago, Mary,
I've never seen anyone so definitely handle a

1823
02:04:44.680 --> 02:04:47.880
clothing steamer while sporting a chic Reformation
gown and red lip that Queen Taylor herself

1824
02:04:47.880 --> 02:04:51.000
will be proud of. It's true, Jake, though you're part of our

1825
02:04:51.039 --> 02:04:55.159
introvert collective. I was delighted by
your thoughtful and witty best man speech,

1826
02:04:55.199 --> 02:04:59.000
including your stealthy mention of a certain
devious leprechaun. Wink wink, nudge nudge.

1827
02:04:59.119 --> 02:05:01.239
I thought Jake was gonna mentioned the
abortion leprechaun bit during the best man

1828
02:05:01.319 --> 02:05:06.760
speech, but he rightfully it was
a common joke amongst us that something we've

1829
02:05:06.800 --> 02:05:11.199
all met him, the abortion leper
con didn't bring well. When I come

1830
02:05:11.239 --> 02:05:15.720
at you with corkscrew, Dan,
you are an outstandingly articulate and jovial efficient.

1831
02:05:15.720 --> 02:05:17.000
There's no one who could have pulled
off telling our love story complete with

1832
02:05:17.039 --> 02:05:20.079
gratuitous obscure meat and winerrift, is
quite like you. And to Michael,

1833
02:05:20.319 --> 02:05:24.560
my handsome, generous, kind Hilario's
husband, I can finally say congratulations on

1834
02:05:24.640 --> 02:05:27.720
losing your virginity. You did it. I'm so proud you did it.

1835
02:05:28.680 --> 02:05:30.920
My question is has following Have you
ever had a glitch in the matrix moment

1836
02:05:30.960 --> 02:05:36.000
where you watch something before your eyes
and it spirals into deja vu? The

1837
02:05:36.039 --> 02:05:40.640
TV show Succession had an intense episode
this past season where a boat in New

1838
02:05:40.720 --> 02:05:43.680
York Harbor was prominently featured. This
boat departed from the exact same doc in

1839
02:05:43.720 --> 02:05:48.000
our real life wedding venue water taxi
departed from. Thankfully. Uh, if

1840
02:05:48.000 --> 02:05:53.600
you haven't finished that season, skip
ahead for like five seconds. Brian Cox

1841
02:05:53.640 --> 02:05:55.680
is still with us. But I
came to think of our wedding as the

1842
02:05:55.720 --> 02:05:58.359
succession wedding for some months after.
Love you all, Thank you for making

1843
02:05:58.359 --> 02:06:00.960
our special day the most magical event
we could ever dreamt off. Amanda,

1844
02:06:00.479 --> 02:06:06.119
wife of Michael, keeper of his
virginity. Ah. So funnily enough,

1845
02:06:06.800 --> 02:06:11.560
the morning after our wedding, when
several of the groomsmen and people had to

1846
02:06:11.560 --> 02:06:15.279
come back, we got me and
the guys and some of my siblings and

1847
02:06:15.359 --> 02:06:19.920
some of their wives and whatnot hung
out in May and Amanda's suite before we

1848
02:06:19.960 --> 02:06:24.760
went to the venue earlier that day. So there were naturally a huge cooler

1849
02:06:24.760 --> 02:06:27.399
full of beers. There was a
bunch of like the groomsman gifts I had

1850
02:06:27.439 --> 02:06:30.279
got them. I got them like
personalized Swiss army knives with their initials on

1851
02:06:30.319 --> 02:06:33.119
it, and like ties and pocket
squares and whatnot. So a lot of

1852
02:06:33.119 --> 02:06:35.640
that stuff was still in our suite. I was like, just worry about

1853
02:06:35.640 --> 02:06:41.880
it tomorrow before we check out.
So the first person to knock on the

1854
02:06:41.920 --> 02:06:45.399
door, I knew it to be
Nico, my childhood best friend, who

1855
02:06:45.399 --> 02:06:48.399
has seen me naked countless times,
but not in a while. So,

1856
02:06:49.000 --> 02:06:53.680
getting out of bed in the hotel
the morning after my wedding, I was

1857
02:06:53.760 --> 02:06:58.600
naked because I had lost my v
so I was like, oh, I

1858
02:06:58.640 --> 02:07:00.760
gotta put clothes on and go answer
the door and let him in it like,

1859
02:07:00.800 --> 02:07:02.319
no, fuck it, I'm just
gonna go naked. And as I'm

1860
02:07:02.359 --> 02:07:08.000
walking to the door. As I'm
walking to the door, the dejevu.

1861
02:07:08.039 --> 02:07:11.479
You know how dejevu when it's intense
enough, you feel clairvoyant for what's about

1862
02:07:11.479 --> 02:07:15.159
to happen. Have you ever had
that? No? Have you guys not

1863
02:07:15.159 --> 02:07:17.680
gotten that I've gotten such I sometimes
it comes in waves, like for months

1864
02:07:17.720 --> 02:07:19.640
at a time. I'll get it
and then I won't get it. I've

1865
02:07:19.640 --> 02:07:24.319
gotten such intense deja vu where it's
like, oh my god, this is

1866
02:07:24.319 --> 02:07:26.680
happening for holy shit. And then
I said that holy shit, and then

1867
02:07:26.680 --> 02:07:30.640
I looked over there where it starts
to feel like you can predict what you're

1868
02:07:30.680 --> 02:07:33.239
gonna do next, like knowing,
like WHOA, I don't think anything like

1869
02:07:33.279 --> 02:07:39.159
that's ever happened. There's like a
science behind it. It's not clearly I'm

1870
02:07:39.199 --> 02:07:42.000
not actually predicting what I'm gonna do
next. It's just the feedback loop kind

1871
02:07:42.000 --> 02:07:45.520
of reverses in your brain where you're
doing what you think would happen or whatever.

1872
02:07:45.399 --> 02:07:49.680
And as I'm walking across the room
to the door completely naked, I'm

1873
02:07:49.720 --> 02:07:55.159
like, oh shit, this is
Djevu. I remember specifically at some other

1874
02:07:55.159 --> 02:07:58.640
point in time doing this exact same
thing and worrying that it might actually be

1875
02:07:58.760 --> 02:08:03.239
my like in law. And I'm
just opening the door, spread equal basically

1876
02:08:03.359 --> 02:08:05.159
naked as a get and then I
remember when I got there, I'm like,

1877
02:08:05.199 --> 02:08:07.439
no, it's happened before, and
it was Nico. And then I

1878
02:08:07.479 --> 02:08:11.720
ope swung the door wide and it
was Nico, thankfully, but he was

1879
02:08:11.760 --> 02:08:15.079
not prepared for it, so he
like let out this belly laugh and then

1880
02:08:15.079 --> 02:08:18.000
I slammed the door again in his
face to go get his stuff, brought

1881
02:08:18.039 --> 02:08:20.359
it back with clothes on. But
I remember that hole. It got so

1882
02:08:20.960 --> 02:08:24.960
vivid that I was like, oh, I'm safe. I know for a

1883
02:08:24.960 --> 02:08:30.119
fact it's Nico. It was the
weirdest thing, and like it's funny because

1884
02:08:30.159 --> 02:08:33.800
dejevu comes in like waves for me, I'll get it a lot like weeks

1885
02:08:33.800 --> 02:08:37.479
in a row and then I won't
get it. I get it specifically with

1886
02:08:37.880 --> 02:08:41.880
like dreams that I didn't remember,
Like like just the other day, I

1887
02:08:41.920 --> 02:08:45.319
was out of town and I went
to a place and there was a bunch

1888
02:08:45.319 --> 02:08:48.640
of candy laid out for Halloween,
and I didn't remember having a dream about

1889
02:08:50.159 --> 02:08:54.159
atomic warheads, you know, this
hour Canada, And I saw them laid

1890
02:08:54.159 --> 02:08:56.600
out in a bowl. And then
it just like all hit me, like,

1891
02:08:56.760 --> 02:09:01.000
oh my god, I had this
long dream last night about me having

1892
02:09:01.039 --> 02:09:05.760
to argue that I could draw the
atomic warhead's logo from memory a guy with

1893
02:09:05.800 --> 02:09:09.920
his head Like again, like a
specific dream about atomic warheads, and then

1894
02:09:09.920 --> 02:09:11.640
the next day I saw them laying
on a counter or like, oh fuck

1895
02:09:11.760 --> 02:09:18.880
right, all dream about that,
Yeah, the premonition. It's funny too,

1896
02:09:18.920 --> 02:09:20.600
Like I'll wake up, you know
how they like you tend to forget

1897
02:09:20.680 --> 02:09:28.760
most dreams, like five minutes after
you wake up certain dreams I'm having,

1898
02:09:28.760 --> 02:09:33.119
and like I'll have certain recurring dreams. But I didn't realize until like a

1899
02:09:33.119 --> 02:09:37.359
few years ago that I dream of
like the same house. Anytime I'm dreaming

1900
02:09:37.359 --> 02:09:39.479
of like that, I'm a kid
again with my family. It's always in

1901
02:09:39.520 --> 02:09:41.720
the same house that we never lived
in. Something in my mind builds this

1902
02:09:41.880 --> 02:09:46.600
same exact house I've never seen in
my life every time, not every time,

1903
02:09:46.640 --> 02:09:48.880
but often enough for me to remember. I'm like, we've never lived

1904
02:09:48.880 --> 02:09:52.680
in that house. I've never lived
on a house that itself was like in

1905
02:09:52.680 --> 02:09:54.600
the middle of a lake. But
it's always like the same layout. Like

1906
02:09:54.680 --> 02:10:00.000
I know where I'm going in these
new dreams. This Cauldron lake, yeah,

1907
02:10:00.600 --> 02:10:07.000
the Culture Lake. Yes. When
I was younger, definitely, what

1908
02:10:07.079 --> 02:10:11.159
like middle school or something, Titanic
came out and I remember watching it and

1909
02:10:11.199 --> 02:10:16.760
then post watching it for whatever reason, probably like most middle school girls,

1910
02:10:16.760 --> 02:10:22.439
being like I hope one day I
can find love where a guy will give

1911
02:10:22.520 --> 02:10:26.800
me the door and die, and
like I am the most important thing.

1912
02:10:26.439 --> 02:10:33.199
And uh. I definitely didn't watch
Titanic ever again after that. And then

1913
02:10:33.560 --> 02:10:39.960
the other day was on I don't
know Amazon or Netflix or something I can't

1914
02:10:39.000 --> 02:10:43.960
remember, but I saw it and
I thought, I haven't seen this in

1915
02:10:43.239 --> 02:10:50.560
decades. Is it still good?
And I watched all of Titanic heads up

1916
02:10:50.000 --> 02:10:56.960
It's still actually is quite good.
Yeah, Games Cameron's it's still really good.

1917
02:10:58.199 --> 02:11:01.199
A lot of people pay to see
because because it starts with like an

1918
02:11:01.199 --> 02:11:05.000
interesting romance and like maybe that's your
bag, maybe it's not. But the

1919
02:11:05.039 --> 02:11:07.960
point is that it ends with like
a shit ton of people dying and like

1920
02:11:09.039 --> 02:11:11.439
clamoring over themselves and it's a class
war and all the rich people are like

1921
02:11:11.439 --> 02:11:16.800
why can't I live? And it's
so good. I like remember like finishing

1922
02:11:16.800 --> 02:11:22.119
and being like, damn, Titanic
is still a great film and going to

1923
02:11:22.199 --> 02:11:24.159
bed. And as I was going
to sleep, I thought to myself,

1924
02:11:26.000 --> 02:11:28.920
I hope one day I can find
a guy that would give me the door

1925
02:11:28.960 --> 02:11:31.600
and let me live. And I
went, oh my god. I thought

1926
02:11:31.640 --> 02:11:35.520
about that when I was fifteen or
like thirteen or something, and there I

1927
02:11:35.560 --> 02:11:39.880
am, like thinking about a dude
giving the door up for me. And

1928
02:11:39.920 --> 02:11:43.399
it's still like the most like romantic
concept is like a dude being like you

1929
02:11:43.640 --> 02:11:48.279
you take the door, honey,
I'll just die. I'll just die in

1930
02:11:48.279 --> 02:11:52.720
this cold fucking water looking at you. And then he's floating down to the

1931
02:11:52.760 --> 02:11:56.760
seafloor and a man in a scuba
suit swims up to you. If you

1932
02:11:56.800 --> 02:11:58.800
think you've been saved, and it's
me with a chainsaw, and I start

1933
02:11:58.840 --> 02:12:05.680
this throwing the door. I sunk
the ship just so I can you made

1934
02:12:07.039 --> 02:12:13.319
an iceberg mm hmm and the Titanic. Wow, blew up that submersible so

1935
02:12:13.359 --> 02:12:18.319
he could get more people to watch
Titanic on streaming. Again. I love

1936
02:12:18.399 --> 02:12:20.439
that that movie is like one of
the most successful movies of all time.

1937
02:12:20.560 --> 02:12:24.640
It's like three hours long, and
yet I feel like every woman I've ever

1938
02:12:24.680 --> 02:12:28.239
talked to about that movie is about
the like the breadth of the love story

1939
02:12:28.279 --> 02:12:31.079
and the stuff you were just talking
about, the door at the end of

1940
02:12:31.159 --> 02:12:35.279
the love and everything. Every guy
I've ever talked about Titanic also loves that

1941
02:12:35.319 --> 02:12:39.039
movie. We remember Kate Winslet's boobs
and when that guy fell off and dinked

1942
02:12:39.079 --> 02:12:43.800
his head on the propeller. Yeah, every guy remember, Oh yeah,

1943
02:12:43.920 --> 02:12:48.760
I remember the band continuing to play
there that guy dick in his head and

1944
02:12:48.800 --> 02:12:52.319
getting real fucked up. Oh that
dude was dead before he hit the water.

1945
02:12:52.640 --> 02:12:54.039
That's always on the trail way more
fun. I mean, I do

1946
02:12:54.119 --> 02:12:58.800
that movie as fucked up. It's
a tragedy. What happened, right,

1947
02:12:58.880 --> 02:13:05.520
Yeah, you don't make light of
the Titanic. I was joking about the

1948
02:13:05.560 --> 02:13:09.039
titan submersible like the day it happened, before we even got the News.

1949
02:13:09.439 --> 02:13:13.079
We beeped it out on an episode, but it was pretty obvious. I

1950
02:13:13.640 --> 02:13:20.439
uh that they were playing that movie
at a wine bar and Tribeca called another

1951
02:13:20.520 --> 02:13:22.920
room. If you get the chance
to go, you should go. They

1952
02:13:22.920 --> 02:13:26.119
were projecting on the wall with no
sound on the back, and I was

1953
02:13:26.159 --> 02:13:28.600
kind of a man and I were
kind of like half watching it. I

1954
02:13:28.600 --> 02:13:31.680
forgot how fucked up A lot of
that movie is, like I knew parts

1955
02:13:31.680 --> 02:13:35.520
of it fucked up with like the
part with the when the what's the little

1956
02:13:35.560 --> 02:13:39.720
girl's name? And her parents their
cabin floods and you kind of see her

1957
02:13:39.760 --> 02:13:41.880
start to drown and she had that
doll with her, and then later on

1958
02:13:41.920 --> 02:13:46.359
they show the shot the doll just
floating away. That was fucked up.

1959
02:13:46.479 --> 02:13:48.359
There's a dog thing in the movie, I think, which I forgot about

1960
02:13:48.720 --> 02:13:52.439
a lot of messed up stuff in
that movie. A lot of people died.

1961
02:13:52.479 --> 02:13:58.199
I guess, yeah, yeah,
women, children, men, the

1962
02:13:58.239 --> 02:14:03.560
coal workers waited a Havtar game this
year. It sounds like a far Cry

1963
02:14:03.600 --> 02:14:07.239
game with an Avatar skin, but
like a fast traveler. The traveling is

1964
02:14:07.279 --> 02:14:11.920
fun, like you just jump off
anything and then the thing catches you.

1965
02:14:11.079 --> 02:14:20.960
I might like that. Yeah,
thank you Amanda for writing in am Uh,

1966
02:14:20.279 --> 02:14:24.880
We're gonna stick with two emails tonight. You can't tell I'm deteriorating quickly.

1967
02:14:24.399 --> 02:14:28.680
Oh you're sicky. You're sick.
I'm so sick. I'm going to

1968
02:14:28.680 --> 02:14:35.119
go be a baby in bed.
It takes some who, but Twissen coff

1969
02:14:35.439 --> 02:14:39.399
his own stupid voice. I'm drinking
a hot toddy, which is like my

1970
02:14:39.600 --> 02:14:45.600
medicine. If you're a mixed soda
water cough medicine and vodka. No,

1971
02:14:45.800 --> 02:14:48.960
isn't that what leena is? Purple
drink? Oh? Is that what that

1972
02:14:48.079 --> 02:14:54.760
is? I thought you were making
a flaming Homer. Oh did it depends

1973
02:14:54.760 --> 02:14:58.359
on how you perceive it, because
most the cough syrup. Right, yeah,

1974
02:14:58.359 --> 02:15:03.159
but it's a flame being Homer most
stole it. You need to know

1975
02:15:03.199 --> 02:15:07.119
your Simpson's history to play MO did
so? I recognized the flame in mo

1976
02:15:07.560 --> 02:15:13.680
Codine coughs are up in soda?
Is lean purple drink? Also purple drank

1977
02:15:13.760 --> 02:15:22.319
or scissorp scissorp Simpsons did it first
to scisser my wife? You know what

1978
02:15:22.359 --> 02:15:28.560
I mean? No, I don't
know. I'm sick. Sorry, sorry,

1979
02:15:28.560 --> 02:15:33.279
wife, No scissoring until I'm healthy. You can sits me I'm gonna

1980
02:15:33.319 --> 02:15:41.840
be falling asleep from receiving as long
as you got permish the exorcist got to

1981
02:15:41.840 --> 02:15:46.960
get permish scissor sleep well. Thank
you, Wes, thank you Manda.

1982
02:15:48.680 --> 02:15:52.520
Uh, it's a good episode.
Good to be back. And one gang.

1983
02:15:52.600 --> 02:15:56.279
We'll uh, we'll talk more about
Game of the Year stuff. Mid

1984
02:15:56.399 --> 02:16:01.840
December in Minneapolis, Minneapolis winter.
Yes, I've done it once. I've

1985
02:16:01.840 --> 02:16:05.800
done a few times. Not the
where I met you? You been here?

1986
02:16:07.359 --> 02:16:11.159
No, all right? You have
you been in Minneapolis or just not

1987
02:16:11.199 --> 02:16:16.399
in the winter. Uh, I
don't think ever. Oh, it's it's

1988
02:16:16.439 --> 02:16:22.600
fun. It's awesome. I love
making you know. We'll see Get some

1989
02:16:22.680 --> 02:16:26.640
juicy loocies, get some summit beer. I got the triple bump. You

1990
02:16:26.720 --> 02:16:30.880
two and the judge. Are we
doing? Louis was stacking us. Yes,

1991
02:16:31.279 --> 02:16:35.319
I'm on top Xbox. You'll never
play, all right? Mary has

1992
02:16:35.600 --> 02:16:39.920
on the top ship. No,
it's it's two and then one. There's

1993
02:16:39.920 --> 02:16:45.319
only one top and Mary's got it. I'm gonna I'm gonna fashion a ve

1994
02:16:45.639 --> 02:16:50.000
uh an outline of a velcrow pad
in the shape of my body on the

1995
02:16:50.040 --> 02:16:56.399
ceiling and then put velcrow along the
back of my body, and then cling

1996
02:16:56.399 --> 02:16:58.360
to the ceiling right above Mary and
stare at her as she sleeps the whole

1997
02:16:58.399 --> 02:17:03.719
night. You're too sick to discuss
and come up with murder plot points,

1998
02:17:03.799 --> 02:17:07.920
right, that's just to throw you
off bunk and I were trying to decide

1999
02:17:07.959 --> 02:17:09.920
what the weirdest thing would be,
because like the top bunk is right below

2000
02:17:09.959 --> 02:17:13.520
the ceiling, so there is actually
have triple bunks. Yeah, yeah,

2001
02:17:13.719 --> 02:17:18.120
that's not a joke. Yeah,
that's I don't want to sleep in triple

2002
02:17:18.120 --> 02:17:20.239
bunk beds. You have like a
mansion two it's two at the bottom and

2003
02:17:20.239 --> 02:17:24.280
then it's like one above that.
So yeah, that's the one above bunk

2004
02:17:24.319 --> 02:17:26.479
bed. It's a triple bunk bed. Yeah, but there we could put

2005
02:17:26.520 --> 02:17:30.879
a giant life size poster above,
Like there's the person on top has to

2006
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stare at the whole time. Yeah, what's the weirdest thing you stare at?

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If you want to bring if you
want to make a life sized poster

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02:17:35.559 --> 02:17:37.799
yourself, I will put it above
the bunk that Mary has to tear and

2009
02:17:37.799 --> 02:17:41.200
then she tears it down. It's
just me doing goatsy on a poster beneath

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02:17:41.200 --> 02:17:46.040
it. It's just the worst face. And then she tears that down.

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This is the worst day ja vous
in my life. That she tears that

2012
02:17:52.000 --> 02:17:56.680
and it's a hole into the attic
and I'm up there giving gotzy like straddling

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02:17:56.680 --> 02:18:03.799
the hole. She just then she
rolls over and then the comforters have jpeggs

2014
02:18:03.799 --> 02:18:11.280
of me doing goats on the pillowcase. The worst daye of it? What

2015
02:18:11.479 --> 02:18:13.040
is the weirdest thing you put on
the ceiling, like a poster of like

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02:18:16.120 --> 02:18:20.200
Philip Seymour Hoffman, that's pretty weird, like William William H. Macy with

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02:18:20.280 --> 02:18:24.920
braces from Magnolia. Well we got
space. If you want to bring anything,

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we can put it up there.
Okay, sick all right? Uh

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well, as usually you can write
in for next episode. Firescape past at

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gmail dot com. Thank you Wes, Thank you Amanda Dan. Tell people

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02:18:41.680 --> 02:18:45.319
what they can do on Spotify and
iTunes, et cetera. Five stars wherever

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you get your podcasts, you got
your podcast addict, you got your overcast,

2023
02:18:48.239 --> 02:18:50.040
you got your Spotify, wherever you
do it. Just the five stars.

2024
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That helps us out a lot.
Now that four point eight seven star

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bullshit, This isn't uber uber yah
find you none of those four point eight

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02:19:01.040 --> 02:19:07.159
three which is so low Yeah,
that's embarrassing. Mary, tell them where

2027
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they can get some threads. So
we have some new six shirts and you

2028
02:19:13.159 --> 02:19:16.360
can get them by going from our
patreon. But you can also go to

2029
02:19:16.680 --> 02:19:22.520
fire Escape cast dot com for a
whole limited amount of items which would be

2030
02:19:22.559 --> 02:19:26.479
great for your Christmas wish lists.
Yeah, Firescape merch will bring you to

2031
02:19:26.520 --> 02:19:30.159
bonfire and that's a fourth wall.
That's a bunch of like thermoses and mouse

2032
02:19:30.239 --> 02:19:33.280
pads and hats and sweatshirts. But
then if you go to fire escapecast dot

2033
02:19:33.280 --> 02:19:35.440
com, it's our Patreon, you'll
see a link. You can also go

2034
02:19:35.479 --> 02:19:41.040
to our instagram if you want to
get fire Escape in Space. We did

2035
02:19:41.120 --> 02:19:43.120
extend that run because a bunch of
people got it so in time for the

2036
02:19:43.159 --> 02:19:48.360
holidays. If you want to gift
someone one your firescap listener in your life.

2037
02:19:48.120 --> 02:19:52.479
I want to thank Ben Hanson for
last week for filling in you.

2038
02:19:52.520 --> 02:19:54.879
Folks were out traveling and stuff and
Hanson came over and we sat down for

2039
02:19:54.920 --> 02:19:58.360
like three and a half hours and
just shot the shit. Had a really

2040
02:19:58.399 --> 02:20:01.079
good time. So if you didn't
hear that this episode, but thank you

2041
02:20:01.120 --> 02:20:05.079
to Ben. I know he's listening
because this is a podcast go listen to

2042
02:20:05.120 --> 02:20:09.479
min Max. Wait did you not
watch Gremlins two? First? No?

2043
02:20:09.719 --> 02:20:13.479
That was the most confusing socia.
Hanson texted me because he saw the fire

2044
02:20:13.600 --> 02:20:18.479
escape thing, like they talk about
everything the Goonies too, and we're like,

2045
02:20:18.520 --> 02:20:20.280
wait, what, first of all, the Goonies two is not a

2046
02:20:20.319 --> 02:20:26.559
movie. It doesn't exist, and
we didn't watch or talk about. So

2047
02:20:26.600 --> 02:20:31.440
I'm keeping it. I'm not editing
it. Just like that almost sounded like

2048
02:20:31.520 --> 02:20:35.399
something we didn't talk about. Why
Why did you just not have time for

2049
02:20:35.399 --> 02:20:41.280
Gremlins too? No? He had
a baby or something, so yeah,

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02:20:41.280 --> 02:20:43.760
boring. Well, thank you,
Ben Hanson. Go listen to mid Max.

2051
02:20:43.840 --> 02:20:48.799
Subscribe, go to the Patreon if
you don't already there, Dan,

2052
02:20:48.840 --> 02:20:50.559
What do you have going on in
your free time or not free timers in

2053
02:20:50.639 --> 02:20:56.600
general? Jesus uh? Extra life
coming up. That'll be November eighteenth.

2054
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I've got Jeff Grebb, Mike Manatti, and the Wind bad Get coming to

2055
02:21:00.600 --> 02:21:05.200
stay with me for a weekend in
Minneapolis, and we are going to do

2056
02:21:05.399 --> 02:21:09.559
an eight hour ish stream, lots
of local multiplayer stuff raising money for good

2057
02:21:09.600 --> 02:21:13.520
cause. My sister coming to town. Also, we'll probably do some stream

2058
02:21:13.559 --> 02:21:16.920
stuff. Fucking Giant Bomb Game of
the Year. We'll be in December,

2059
02:21:18.200 --> 02:21:22.079
so just lots of stuff. Just
stay tuned. You'll see it if you

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02:21:22.159 --> 02:21:26.719
if you want to find it.
Sweet Mary, what about you twitch stuff?

2061
02:21:26.760 --> 02:21:31.319
I usually stream on Mondays and excited
for the Game Awards, which is

2062
02:21:31.319 --> 02:21:37.879
coming up in about four weeks.
It's coming. I'll see you there.

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02:21:37.920 --> 02:21:41.719
I will not be there this year, not going to LA. I liked

2064
02:21:41.799 --> 02:21:46.959
when we did our pictures together.
We actually had you in the picture for

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02:21:48.040 --> 02:21:50.120
real at the wedding. We almost
I know the thing, you almost did

2066
02:21:50.120 --> 02:21:52.840
the thing where I was not in
it, and I was like, this

2067
02:21:52.879 --> 02:21:54.680
is a wedding. God, damn
it. I want to be in it

2068
02:21:54.040 --> 02:21:56.719
or in the Hamptons when you were
actually in the background, but we still

2069
02:21:56.719 --> 02:22:01.760
photoshopped you in between us in the
people don't they don't they don't notice when

2070
02:22:01.760 --> 02:22:09.280
we do that. Oh well yeah, yeah, I'm over at Polygon go

2071
02:22:09.399 --> 02:22:13.920
rid our stuff. I saw that. That was episode sixty seven. Thank

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02:22:13.959 --> 02:22:16.200
you everybody for joining kind of Men
anywhere in the world tonight, But you

2073
02:22:16.559 --> 02:22:22.200
spend it here with us. Listen
to me cough and sneeze and sniffle and

2074
02:22:22.520 --> 02:22:28.760
destroy my voice. I'm gonna sleep
like a like a limp dick. I'm

2075
02:22:28.760 --> 02:22:35.159
gonna no scissor in tonight. Somebody
laugh. Don't make me keep going.

2076
02:22:35.319 --> 02:22:39.840
We're not supposed to because it's not
good for you. Yeah, something now

2077
02:22:39.879 --> 02:22:45.440
I have to say something legitimately funny. Pressure's on. Now? What did

2078
02:22:45.520 --> 02:22:56.239
uh? What did? Abraham Lincoln
walks into a theater says, says,

2079
02:22:56.079 --> 02:23:01.879
uh, what's the play? Tonight? Mary's laughing already. I didn't get

2080
02:23:01.879 --> 02:23:09.280
through the punchline, nor Mary ruined
it. I can't you. I've never

2081
02:23:09.319 --> 02:23:16.760
seen someone raw dog a joke that
badly in my life. I had to

2082
02:23:16.760 --> 02:23:20.719
do to get Dan to chuckles make
a park boys, I'm just so easy.

2083
02:23:20.799 --> 02:23:24.479
I'm usually like the funniest person I
know. But tonight I'm just tired.

2084
02:23:24.680 --> 02:23:31.520
I've never seen it. Yeah you
have. Well anyway, thanks everybody

2085
02:23:31.559 --> 02:23:35.760
for coming. Been great at sixty
seven. Go play Ellen Wake two,

2086
02:23:35.920 --> 02:23:41.200
Pickman four Day, The Diver,
Minico's Night Market, Uh, super Mario

2087
02:23:41.200 --> 02:23:46.799
Boros, wonder I still have to
play the latter. I'm excited to go

2088
02:23:46.000 --> 02:23:50.319
check it out tomorrow hopefully. All
right, see everybody, in a couple

2089
02:23:50.360 --> 02:23:54.399
of weeks. Will that be before
things? Will that be past things?

2090
02:23:54.440 --> 02:23:58.239
No, that'll be right before Thanks
before in the US, so we'll uh,

2091
02:23:58.120 --> 02:24:01.680
we'll have a long we'll have a
long weekend after that to catch up

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02:24:01.680 --> 02:24:03.239
on the episode if they miss it. Thanks everybody. We'll see you in

2093
02:24:03.239 --> 02:24:30.360
a couple of weeks. Bye bye
bye