1 00:00:29,199 --> 00:00:35,560 What is up? Everybody? Welcome, Happy Saturday morning. Welcome everybody to 2 00:00:36,039 --> 00:00:42,000 Hobby Hotline, the Hobbies only live call in show. This is episode two 3 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:46,520 hundred and thirty nine. Wow, that's a lot, but welcome everybody in 4 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:50,280 today, everybody watching on Bench, Clear Media and everywhere else. Thank you 5 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,479 guys so much for tuning in. My name, of course is Drew or 6 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,159 the d H joining me today. We've got the man himself, the rookie 7 00:00:57,159 --> 00:01:00,280 card man Victor. How's it going dude? Good morning, Howdy howdy? 8 00:01:00,439 --> 00:01:03,920 Doing good? Doing good? And then we also have Demand himself, King 9 00:01:04,079 --> 00:01:08,519 Nascar. Mister Logan, what's up Dad? Oh, not much man, 10 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:14,040 just just hanging out with you guys and enjoy enjoin on nice weekend. I 11 00:01:14,159 --> 00:01:18,719 hear you morning, Mad City Brew. Thanks everybody for tuning in once again. 12 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,760 If you'd like to call in and join the show, of course, 13 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:26,120 this is the show that you guys control for the most part. Anything that 14 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,120 you guys would like to talk about, if you'd like to give your comments 15 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:33,519 on something that we are discussing, anything along those lines, please feel free 16 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,799 to click that beautiful link. You can come on as video or audio your 17 00:01:37,879 --> 00:01:42,519 choice, but we would love to have you guys call in join the show 18 00:01:42,599 --> 00:01:48,319 today morning US sports cards from Syracuse, Madison, Wisconsin, all over the 19 00:01:48,359 --> 00:01:51,560 globe. Morning. Everybody. Hope everyone's having a great day. It's a 20 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,040 really nice day here too. I don't know how it is over your guys 21 00:01:55,120 --> 00:02:00,400 way, but we actually have some nice weather for once. Good so you're 22 00:02:00,439 --> 00:02:05,480 lucky, you'll hear in Memphis is typical Memphis summer weather. It's like in 23 00:02:05,719 --> 00:02:08,879 the high nineties and like the humidities like in the nineties, so fun times. 24 00:02:09,199 --> 00:02:14,039 We had beautiful sunshine this morning with the birds singing, and then a 25 00:02:14,039 --> 00:02:20,319 half hour later a rainstorm. So yeah, unfortunately I have to leave this 26 00:02:20,439 --> 00:02:23,159 nice this nice weather in North Carolina. That guy go down to Florida tomorrow 27 00:02:23,319 --> 00:02:28,479 do some work for a gym mint. But guys, let's dive right into 28 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,319 it. I would say it was a slow week in the hobby, but 29 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:36,240 there isn't a slow week in the hobby. You know, last weekend on 30 00:02:36,319 --> 00:02:40,159 last week show, I know, everyone talked a lot about the Panini lawsuit 31 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:46,400 that they'd filed against Fanatics. Well, after that show was over and after 32 00:02:46,439 --> 00:02:51,439 the weekend was over, once Monday rolled around, Fanatics decided to say Hey, 33 00:02:51,759 --> 00:02:58,400 we'll dive in on this tip and dive in they did. We'll just 34 00:02:58,439 --> 00:03:01,080 start off with a blanket question and here, what do you guys think about 35 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:07,680 this counter countersuit filed by fanatics because it is who they went in deep? 36 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:14,960 Yeah? May we keep doing that? Man, senor seniority, you're older, 37 00:03:15,039 --> 00:03:20,120 so go ahead. Oh thanks a lot. I mean, I didn't 38 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,560 really read it, but from the things that I've heard online, a lot 39 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:28,840 of it is, you know, just them complaining mostly about Panini, and 40 00:03:29,319 --> 00:03:34,240 you're making complaints and not necessarily you know, anything that's that's based on actual 41 00:03:34,319 --> 00:03:37,120 fact. That's that's what I've heard. I may be wrong about that, 42 00:03:37,199 --> 00:03:40,840 but that's that's the sentiment that I've gotten online. Can I go now go? 43 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,639 I love you loan? Uh no for me? Yeah, it was. 44 00:03:49,479 --> 00:03:51,520 It was pretty cool. I thought it was, you know, fight 45 00:03:51,599 --> 00:03:54,360 fire with fire. It is, But a couple of things really stood out 46 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:58,240 to me that that makes me kind of scratch to my head, and that 47 00:03:58,439 --> 00:04:01,400 is the uh. First of all, it was a hundred page document, 48 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,879 and it seems like that that hundred page document didn't get written overnight. It 49 00:04:05,919 --> 00:04:12,400 seems like Fanatics had this, uh this document ready to go whenever needed. 50 00:04:12,759 --> 00:04:15,800 Well, I want you to keep going with that for just a second, 51 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,639 but I will tell you that I can't name the employee, but an employee 52 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:25,199 at Panini at the National did tell me that this lawsuit was coming. They 53 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,399 said, they said, just the big news isn't going to be at the 54 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,040 National. It'll be a couple of days later, and it'll involve the courts. 55 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,279 So right away I knew a lawsuit was coming. So I'm pretty sure 56 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:39,319 fanatics knew as well. Yeah. Yeah, But for fanatics to turn around 57 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:45,199 and counter just days later and give a hundred page document, I just seem 58 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,959 to think that document was being formulated way before the news came. They they've 59 00:04:48,959 --> 00:04:53,160 been sitting on this weight in the blast in the event that something like this 60 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:58,439 happened. Well, well, I think you know. The inside the document, 61 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,160 it kind of tells you why they thought that, and that's because they 62 00:05:01,199 --> 00:05:06,639 did have they already agreed to that injunction with Panini employees, saying that you 63 00:05:06,639 --> 00:05:10,800 know, they wouldn't let them talk to other employees and help them do this 64 00:05:10,959 --> 00:05:16,079 in that like they had already made concessions to Panini, when obviously Panini had 65 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:20,720 been kind of hinting and fighting at this for a while. It looks like 66 00:05:21,639 --> 00:05:26,800 trying to find some of the quotes here right now. But yeah, I 67 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:31,959 mean they actually took on whereas it let's see here, Yeah, that Panini 68 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:38,319 brought suits against all their at will former employees without non compete restrictions who took 69 00:05:38,439 --> 00:05:42,319 jobs at Fanatics, and it threatened to do the same to others. Fanatics 70 00:05:42,399 --> 00:05:47,639 consented to a contemporary injunction barring seven former Panini employees from recruiting others away or 71 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:53,199 using confidential information. So they definitely, you know, they've been fighting this 72 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:58,240 kind of in the background of the courts for a little while. Now it 73 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,000 looks like and it looks like they all this and you know, I wasn't 74 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,759 on the show last week. I think Panini had to do this. They 75 00:06:03,879 --> 00:06:08,199 didn't really have a choice at this point in time. But one thing I 76 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:12,600 do think, and I do agree with US sports Cards as these legal fees 77 00:06:12,639 --> 00:06:15,480 mount. If this stuff does keep going to court, if it makes it 78 00:06:15,519 --> 00:06:19,120 to discovery, which I want to touch on in a minute, but if 79 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:23,240 it makes you know, if it keeps going, they've got to make up 80 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:28,600 those profits elsewhere, which absolutely could result in higher prices. I don't think 81 00:06:28,639 --> 00:06:33,000 we get higher prices, but it's possible, you know, it definitely is 82 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:38,360 possible. But Fanatics many they really went in on Panini. I mean they 83 00:06:38,399 --> 00:06:43,079 called him a stagnant, long time incumbinant, that is, complacement and failed 84 00:06:43,079 --> 00:06:47,600 to invest in market innovations instead funneling profits to its owners in Italy, and 85 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:53,920 that choice yielded a track record of dismal customer service, quality control issues, 86 00:06:54,199 --> 00:07:00,079 shoddy product offerings, vast numbers of outstanding redemption cards, a missed opportunity it 87 00:07:00,199 --> 00:07:04,399 used to grow revenues. I mean they put in photos from articles that we 88 00:07:04,439 --> 00:07:09,480 had written a long time ago, with the patches. They did everything. 89 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,920 Wow, like they attacked. If you go into this document, they they 90 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,759 really went after them. And the first thing I thought of when I had 91 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:24,319 read this whole thing and saw it was yet there goes any chance of any 92 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:29,800 negotiation. I think we can firmly assume that Pannini and Fanatics negotiations are probably 93 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:34,120 out the window unless Pannini ends up selling off the card market side of their 94 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:40,720 company for pennies on the dollar. But this is not going to be Yeah, 95 00:07:40,759 --> 00:07:44,439 there's no more negotiations, at least in my eyes. But you know, 96 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,199 here's here's an analogy that I make about the situation. I'd look at 97 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:56,360 it as fanatics and Panini behave misbehaving, like like children misbehaving. Oh yeah. 98 00:07:56,399 --> 00:07:59,480 And if I look at the parents, which to me I consider the 99 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:03,879 Players Association and the leagues, I believe they're the parents, and I just 100 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:09,800 think it's it's uh, the kids are out of order because the parents are 101 00:08:09,839 --> 00:08:11,879 out of order. And when you when you look at what they've done, 102 00:08:13,199 --> 00:08:18,360 I don't, I don't. I didn't agree with the Players Association signing a 103 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:22,120 twenty year deal in the middle of when there was three years left on the 104 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:26,360 on the current one. Yea, I believe, you know they did that 105 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,759 kind of thing should have been like open to the market, like who all 106 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,279 right, who wants to be on a bidding war? What if? What 107 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:35,000 if Panini would have came in with a higher bid? Were they even given 108 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,279 a chance to come in at a higher bid? Right? They probably left 109 00:08:39,279 --> 00:08:43,320 some money on the table there, I would say, it seems very the 110 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:48,600 whole It just seems corrupt. No, they definitely left money on the table, 111 00:08:50,879 --> 00:08:54,320 and you know, I agree they should be on bids now. Unfortunately, 112 00:08:54,879 --> 00:08:58,879 with what you know, cards and everything, and these entities are class 113 00:08:58,879 --> 00:09:03,000 of fight as they're not required by law to be put up on bids like 114 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:07,639 a lot of things would be. But you know, I mean, hey, 115 00:09:09,279 --> 00:09:11,399 I always look at it as hey, Panini didn't buy these licenses. 116 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,799 I mean, they didn't bid on these licenses when they got them. They 117 00:09:15,879 --> 00:09:18,639 bought out don Rust Playoff and you know that those licenses came with it, 118 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,759 So you know, I did find it funny and then fighting that when you 119 00:09:22,799 --> 00:09:28,039 know they never bid on it themselves. But I do agree bids should be 120 00:09:28,919 --> 00:09:31,039 I think they should be put up on bids. But I'll also ask you 121 00:09:31,039 --> 00:09:35,039 guys this, because this is gonna be if this stuff goes forward, which 122 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:39,440 will touch on if we think that will happen or not. But if this 123 00:09:39,519 --> 00:09:45,240 does go forward, exclusives are going to be heavily, heavily front and center 124 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,639 on this. Do you guys think we could possibly see a change and do 125 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,679 we want to see a change where there aren't exclusives. Now I'm not saying 126 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,879 going back to the nineties where every company can print fifty products a year if 127 00:09:56,879 --> 00:10:01,960 they want to, but possibly these know, these organizations saying hey, okay, 128 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,679 we're not going to do exclusives. But so and so company can produce 129 00:10:05,799 --> 00:10:07,879 this much a year. You know, do we see a change in exclusives? 130 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:13,200 Well, you know, coke needs PEPSI So I think that, yes, 131 00:10:13,399 --> 00:10:18,919 I think that there should be multiple manufacturers of trading cards with particular licenses, 132 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:22,960 no doubt. You know, I'd like to see TOPS. I think 133 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,080 it'd be cool if TOPS did Nascar cards. You know, I would not 134 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,200 have any problem with that, But I think there would need to be some 135 00:10:28,279 --> 00:10:33,559 kind of limitations, Like you you're allowed to produce X number of products every 136 00:10:33,639 --> 00:10:37,639 year, and like you said, not flood the market like we had back 137 00:10:37,639 --> 00:10:41,320 in the late eighties early nineties where everybody had licensed and everybody was just printing 138 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:45,799 you know the presses we're running twenty four seven. Uh no, we don't. 139 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,960 We don't need that. So I think I think that, yeah, 140 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:50,360 it'd be a good thing. I don't know for me. To me, 141 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:56,559 it's to finish my analogy. It's like a It's like an ugly divorce that 142 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:01,360 ends up in the courts, right, the kids of that divorce end up 143 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:07,360 getting the consequences. And I believe in the in the same vein the collect 144 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,840 at the end of this, the collectors are going to be the ones that 145 00:11:09,879 --> 00:11:15,759 pay the consequences. Unfortunately. No, yeah, good, I completely agree, 146 00:11:15,759 --> 00:11:18,080 And you know, Steele City DW. It's funny you say that because 147 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:24,480 one of those things fanatics criticized Pinnity for was lack of innovation in their in 148 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:31,559 their counters So competition does breed innovation. Maybe that's where that lack of innovation 149 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,399 came from. You can kind of touch on what you think innovation is at 150 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,960 any point in time. But guys, once again, please call in. 151 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,679 Feel free, call in, join the show, let us know what you 152 00:11:41,759 --> 00:11:43,399 think about all of it, or if you have any questions or anything in 153 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:48,039 the hobby you'd like to discuss. But okay, so you know fanatics, 154 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:52,120 they did their countersuit all this stuff. I think we can all agree. 155 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:56,440 It's probably gonna be pretty quiet from now on. The lawsuits are out. 156 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:01,840 Normally that's when everyone has to shut up. They can't start running their mouths 157 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,639 and doing this kind of stuff. But I think it gets quiet. But 158 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:11,679 the thing that's interesting is if one of these can make it to Discovery because 159 00:12:11,799 --> 00:12:18,960 in that lost biggest thing we've lost over and really something that I hope to 160 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:22,440 go. I don't hope they can prove, but if you're going to make 161 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,200 this allegation in a legal counter suit, you better be able to prove it. 162 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:31,120 They're saying that Panini inflated their profits by two hundred million dollars a year, 163 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,159 so they're basically accusing them of cooking the books. Well, if we 164 00:12:35,279 --> 00:12:41,320 hit discovery, all those books and everything get open, that's a pretty heavy 165 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:46,440 allegation to be made. Even if it's only fifty million, you're talking about 166 00:12:46,519 --> 00:12:48,960 on four or five years. Now you're looking at over two hundred million. 167 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:56,240 It's two hundred million dollars a year. That's that's crazy. I think discoveries 168 00:12:56,279 --> 00:13:00,799 where we want to get with this to see if there was eruption or not. 169 00:13:01,159 --> 00:13:05,559 Yeah, and I don't think I think this lawsuit is going to be 170 00:13:05,879 --> 00:13:11,279 just as important as the one when Flear sued tops back. That one started 171 00:13:11,399 --> 00:13:18,399 in nineteen seventy five and judgment wasn't passed until nineteen eighty, so that one 172 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,919 was deliberated in the courts for five years. Yeah, So I don't know 173 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,399 that we're going to get to something quick here. So it's gonna be real 174 00:13:26,519 --> 00:13:31,320 interesting how things unfold. I hope it's settled quickly, but that's typically not 175 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:37,519 the case in these situations, and the courts are moving even slower these days. 176 00:13:37,519 --> 00:13:39,519 So I'm with you guys. I don't expect to see any kind of 177 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,840 judgment or any kind of like you said, discovery or anything happening anytime in 178 00:13:43,879 --> 00:13:48,960 the near future. No, And Collector's Name does make a good point on 179 00:13:48,159 --> 00:13:52,320 exclusives. You know, they do have those rights hammer down, so you 180 00:13:52,399 --> 00:13:56,919 won't licenses will not be changing at least the ones that just re upt for 181 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:01,240 a long time. And yeah, we're kind of talking long term here is 182 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:07,000 you know, this court case could have ramifications on licensing if they wanted. 183 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:11,919 Deep Piers has a question here. I'm wondering how Panini had these licenses and 184 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:16,159 did not have the ability to match bids written into the contracts. Seems like 185 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:20,480 an error by them. Well, I want to know what you guys think 186 00:14:20,519 --> 00:14:24,399 about this, but honestly, like it goes back to what I said earlier, 187 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:30,120 they bought these from Don Russ playoff like they inherited these licenses when they 188 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,480 bought the intellectual property and they bought the company. That's how they got these 189 00:14:33,519 --> 00:14:39,600 licenses. And then they turned into you know, basically exclusives. So it's 190 00:14:39,679 --> 00:14:43,360 definitely an error on their part to not make it to where because they could 191 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,360 have written into the contract that it had to be up for bids, They 192 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:50,120 could have done stuff like that, but they didn't. And so I think 193 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:54,799 they took the regular old contracts they had before, figured that they could make 194 00:14:54,799 --> 00:15:01,240 a good enough product that they wouldn't want to leave, and they were at 195 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,840 least when Michael Rubin comes in with a lot of money and a game plan 196 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:09,399 that sounds like heaven if you're a card company. Yep, So that that 197 00:15:09,559 --> 00:15:13,120 that's personally, But what do you guys think air by Panini not to make 198 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,480 it to where the licenses have to be up for bids. Yeah, definitely, 199 00:15:16,879 --> 00:15:20,720 and and and shame on the on the players Association in my in my 200 00:15:20,799 --> 00:15:26,440 opinion, I agree, No, I completely agree with the players association part. 201 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:31,639 That's the biggest issue. Why why wouldn't there be language in there now? 202 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:39,440 Now we're having fanatics sign exclusive deals with with n NBA players when Pannini 203 00:15:39,559 --> 00:15:43,159 still holds the license, and and there's no where's where's the players Association at 204 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,840 here? They're just hitting the sand in the corner. Counting your money is 205 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,799 what they're doing when you know that type of stuff should have all been spelled 206 00:15:50,799 --> 00:15:54,360 out from the get go. No, I completely agree with you. I 207 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:58,559 think the Players Association, like you said, they're all about the money. 208 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,840 It's all they care about. Fanatics came in with a deal that promised them 209 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,679 more money, basically doing what they just you know, had to do. 210 00:16:06,759 --> 00:16:11,720 Anyway, So you know, a lot of blame does need to be placed 211 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,159 on the Players Association and the leagues for this. They all were involved in 212 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:21,440 all of this. But anyway, it'll be interesting to see. But Fanatics 213 00:16:21,919 --> 00:16:26,320 did file a countersuit on Panini, so we'll see what happens in the court 214 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,240 system. Steele said. He says sounds like a monopoly to me, Victor, 215 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:37,759 it is, yep. And you know, some Tim Wong would tops 216 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:44,000 Anniversary be better if they had the original fifty three cards inserted in set chrome. 217 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,120 Yeah. That's another thing that's kind of upsetting me this week, to 218 00:16:48,159 --> 00:16:52,799 be honest with you, is we're still releasing twenty twenty two product in the 219 00:16:52,799 --> 00:16:56,440 middle of August of twenty twenty three. It's like, come on, you 220 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:00,679 know, there's bet of the I mean, I know, you can only 221 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,359 catch up so much, but you've got to take a hit. Find that 222 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:07,119 draft. They've got to find that draft class where they're like, Okay, 223 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,440 honestly, this draft class is not up to par. We're not going to 224 00:17:11,559 --> 00:17:17,079 have a god in this draft class that everyone's gonna chase after use that year, 225 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,920 cut some products and catch up upper decks the worst they're putting it out 226 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:25,519 from like three years ago. Yeah, and they're updates that they're having to 227 00:17:25,559 --> 00:17:29,759 put into other products, which I love that they do instead or redemptions. 228 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,279 I mean, you don't you you get a product that you don't think, 229 00:17:33,319 --> 00:17:37,839 like sp authentic and it's got cards in it from the last fifteen years. 230 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:45,000 I mean, they're they've fallen so far behind it's absolutely insane. And what's 231 00:17:45,039 --> 00:17:48,799 that log? Oh I was just gonna say, Yeah, as far as 232 00:17:48,799 --> 00:17:52,359 the manufacturers are concerned, I think what they need to try to do is 233 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,680 at least keep their flagships contiguous, you know, twenty two, twenty three 234 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,559 and all that. But you know, some of these more specialty brands just 235 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,359 you know, just suck it up and just cut your losses and just say, 236 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,880 okay, you know, we didn't catch up in twenty twenty three. 237 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:08,920 Let's just named this product twenty twenty four, and let's just move on and 238 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,920 catch up with what we need to do. Yeah, so we've got yeah, 239 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:17,200 I completely agree, and we've got a couple of questions on the chat 240 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,559 and a couple of comments. We're gonna go uh here in order real quick 241 00:18:19,599 --> 00:18:23,680 some Tim Wong asked Capanini pretender at least twenty twenty two, and he was 242 00:18:23,799 --> 00:18:30,440 active players since Top says, yeah, they probably could. They could probably 243 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,400 get away with that. I doubt they want any more legal problems. They're 244 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:38,319 already uh, you know, spending enough on legal fees, and I think 245 00:18:38,319 --> 00:18:41,880 that would probably cost them a little bit more. But yeah, you know, 246 00:18:42,039 --> 00:18:45,279 they might be able to. But hey, I think Don Russ has 247 00:18:45,279 --> 00:18:48,440 an awesome product this year and all I see or you know, Hall of 248 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:53,680 famers and prospects. But what's up. I see a big disaster coming for 249 00:18:55,319 --> 00:19:00,680 the rookies of upcoming product with just the yeah you know Rex mentioned it, 250 00:19:00,079 --> 00:19:04,359 and it's gonna be you know, especially your your rookie autograph cards. It's 251 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:10,680 just gonna be a cluster. It's oh no, it's it's gonna be insane. 252 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,720 And this was a massive All right, it all goes back to all 253 00:19:14,799 --> 00:19:18,119 this stuff started, and all this mess really started with Ben's when Ben Simmons 254 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:25,799 signed that signed his exclusive and he was the first person since the hobby really 255 00:19:25,839 --> 00:19:30,440 blew up that you know, everyone was chasing when Ben Simmons came out. 256 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,720 I don't know if you guys remember, he was the hottest thing in the 257 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:37,440 world. It was almost Wemby level type of hype. And then you found 258 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,319 out he was not going to have any rookie autos, any license rookie autos. 259 00:19:41,319 --> 00:19:45,680 So people had to figure out a card to chase of his. They 260 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,400 had to find that quote unquote big rookie. That's how the silver Prism became 261 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:53,039 what it is. They landed on the silver prism all of a sudden, 262 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:57,799 silver prisms years later, you see what happened this year though, I mean 263 00:19:59,039 --> 00:20:02,480 that you don't do that anymore. This is known now and now, like 264 00:20:02,599 --> 00:20:07,559 Rex says, you're gonna have and you will have that. We've been talking 265 00:20:07,599 --> 00:20:11,039 about this on our ship. Let me get that potograph for weeks when people 266 00:20:11,079 --> 00:20:14,720 said, no, they are going to be in it because they're in chronicles. 267 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,480 No, these were stickers and leftover autographs. That they had from previous 268 00:20:18,519 --> 00:20:25,680 stuff before the exclusives were signed. But Stroud Young Levis absolutely are going are 269 00:20:25,799 --> 00:20:30,480 not going to be in pro uniform products with autographs, and Wemby I've already 270 00:20:30,519 --> 00:20:33,200 been told has also signed. So yeah, you're not going to have any 271 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,480 of those licensed rookies. Yeah. And when it comes to those players and 272 00:20:37,559 --> 00:20:42,039 Victor, I know you, especially with rookies, I mean, how big 273 00:20:42,079 --> 00:20:48,200 of an impact do you think that's going to have on their market because obviously 274 00:20:48,279 --> 00:20:52,079 these are I mean you can argue the quarterbacks, but Web if he becomes 275 00:20:52,079 --> 00:20:56,920 who he's supposed to become, kind of effect do you think that has not 276 00:20:56,079 --> 00:21:02,240 having a real licensed rookie. Yeah, that's that's gonna be that's gonna be 277 00:21:02,279 --> 00:21:07,799 a big issue, especially to the traditionalist collectors that like that kind of thing. 278 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:11,960 But I think this is an issue right here, this topic. Since 279 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:15,720 they went ahead and peeled the scab and took it to the courts, I 280 00:21:15,759 --> 00:21:19,599 think this is this is a topic that should be dealt with in the courts 281 00:21:19,799 --> 00:21:23,200 if since they opened since they opened up that door, let's go ahead and 282 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:29,079 deal with this issue for the future, and let's try to bring some lines 283 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:33,599 of clarity here. Yeah, legally anyways, No, I completely agree with 284 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,440 you, especially when it comes to and you see Panini. Now Ever, 285 00:21:37,519 --> 00:21:45,319 since these exclusives have started happening, you've been seeing Panini snag up every single 286 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,640 person they can with nil deals, trying to get them into the Panini family. 287 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,240 Early. I mean, I think they snagged like eight or nine high 288 00:21:52,279 --> 00:22:00,400 school basketball players just probably just so if they become huge they can't in an 289 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,960 exclusive elsewhere. You know, they're trying everything they can to snag these guys 290 00:22:04,079 --> 00:22:08,640 up. But like correct says, the biggest impact is on the big stuff, 291 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:14,519 the lawless, immaculate, nor Specter, the rpas, those are like 292 00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:17,640 I said, like I was talking about with Ben Simmons, he didn't have 293 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,759 any of that stuff because he signed that exclusive. It's once again we can 294 00:22:21,799 --> 00:22:25,359 blame Ben Simmons for a lot of things in life. We can blame him 295 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:30,000 for this problem. He kind of led the way on this trend. But 296 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,200 yeah, I think with in Wemby's case, I think you're going to see 297 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:38,759 the prism stuff, his silvers, things like that hold a lot more value 298 00:22:38,799 --> 00:22:44,599 than usual. And when it comes to the quarterbacks, it's gonna be the 299 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,079 same type of thing. I think optic, I think prism. I think 300 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,359 things like that are gonna hold a lot of value. And then just the 301 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:56,480 I mean, I guess you could say the logo men and the shields and 302 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:00,599 stuff like that from National Treasures, but they're not game used, so I 303 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,680 mean, you know, none of them are game used, So does it 304 00:23:03,839 --> 00:23:06,559 really matter? I mean, I think it has a massive effect on the 305 00:23:06,599 --> 00:23:10,960 football market. Basketball. I think they just move over like Ben Simmons due 306 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,519 to the silver prism, and Okay, that's going to be a big thing. 307 00:23:14,759 --> 00:23:18,839 Football going to be interesting, Yeah, And I guess this opens up 308 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:23,720 the question too, what is going to be the popularity of unlicensed product then 309 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:30,039 in the years to come, especially with NT and Flawless and that it's probably 310 00:23:30,079 --> 00:23:33,119 going to be unlicensed, So it's going to be, you know, no 311 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,559 logos, that kind of thing. And I know I heard Brian Gray in 312 00:23:37,559 --> 00:23:41,640 an interview this past week making his case once again for why you know, 313 00:23:41,799 --> 00:23:47,039 logos aren't important, But you know, I don't. I think, time 314 00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:52,519 and time again, the hobby. I don't know if it's the majority or 315 00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:56,839 the minority, but I mean it seems like the licensed product is more desirable. 316 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,960 I know that's A. That's a that's a tough one to deal with. 317 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,119 Man. Yeah, No, I like licensed products just because I want 318 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,680 to see the logos of the teams, you know, seeing I just like 319 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:15,240 all of that. I think that when you airbrush out or what I say, 320 00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:18,519 airbrush that shows you how old I am. When you photoshop out some 321 00:24:18,599 --> 00:24:22,680 of this stuff, it just doesn't look as good. It just doesn't have 322 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,559 the eye appeal to me. And again, it's just unlicensed. So I 323 00:24:26,599 --> 00:24:30,160 mean, I just don't know why I would want to buy a bunch of 324 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,039 unlicensed products. Well, I think there's a market for unlicensed I believe there's 325 00:24:34,079 --> 00:24:37,880 there is a lot of people who like it, right don't. But my 326 00:24:37,039 --> 00:24:41,920 question is it comes down to each individual preference. Right, I like unlicensed, 327 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,440 But which one do I prefer most? I prefer the licensed stuff, 328 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,000 to be honest. Well, well, I just go back to stuff like 329 00:24:48,079 --> 00:24:52,839 this, and I'm just gonna hold up two cards as an example. Okay, 330 00:24:52,039 --> 00:24:57,160 so this is an Xavier Isaac's first bowman green. Okay, on that 331 00:24:57,319 --> 00:25:02,960 card, that is a license card. The only thing you can see is 332 00:25:03,079 --> 00:25:07,119 half of the b in Tampa Bay on his helmet. That's it. That's 333 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,839 the only thing you can see right on you. It's a licensed card. 334 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:15,240 You can go back old school, oh J. Simpson. There's no logo, 335 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,559 there's no nothing. It says Buffalo instead of maybe it says bills were 336 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:25,720 in other cases it would say Buffalo. So like, I understand the licensing 337 00:25:25,759 --> 00:25:29,400 aspect of it, but if you really take a look at so many cards, 338 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,279 they're so little that's done with this photo shop and this stuff. I 339 00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:36,720 mean, the biggest thing I think would be Yankee pin stripes. I don't 340 00:25:36,759 --> 00:25:40,200 know if people know that, but Panini can't use the Yankee pin stripes. 341 00:25:41,519 --> 00:25:45,279 But you know that. To me, it's always been I understand it because 342 00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:49,319 it's quote unquote unlicensed. But I look at half of these photos of cards 343 00:25:49,319 --> 00:25:55,200 we're going to talk about later, and you don't even see a third or 344 00:25:55,319 --> 00:25:59,119 logo in any of them. Yeah, but yeah, My argument in that 345 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,920 deal is like some of the key cards, like Walter Payton doesn't you can't 346 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,720 see any sign of the bears either. But it's one of them things where 347 00:26:07,079 --> 00:26:11,880 only a few cards in the set has it as opposed to the entire set. 348 00:26:12,039 --> 00:26:15,839 No, I agree, I agree, Yeah, I do agree. 349 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:22,240 Right has a great question here, and that regards arch Manning. If everyone 350 00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:27,359 saw his first card, which all went to charity, his throw black Auto 351 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:32,039 which has been made now, it's actually really nice looking card. He did 352 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:36,000 a good job signing it too, sold for over one hundred thousand dollars. 353 00:26:37,079 --> 00:26:41,319 But now will he have any cards in Bowman You? If he has an 354 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,000 NIL deal with Panini, can tops even use his photo? And from my 355 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:52,240 understanding, unless they sign if they have an NIL deal outside of everything, 356 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,599 I do not think they can use his card. I do not think they 357 00:26:56,599 --> 00:27:03,400 can even have him as a first like non auto from my understanding, I 358 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:10,160 don't know NIL as opposed to players Association things like that, But I believe 359 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:15,000 the name, image and likeness unless he signs a separate one, I believe 360 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,759 that does count him out. I mean, he definitely won't have autographs, 361 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:23,559 but I don't I don't think he'll have any cards in Bowming You. Interesting. 362 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,559 Yeah, I haven't heard anything about the NIL Trump and all the other 363 00:27:27,799 --> 00:27:33,559 licenses. I did not know that. Yeah, I'm not sure about that. 364 00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:40,119 My guess is that they probably he probably wouldn't have signed it if he 365 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,039 couldn't be in Bowman You and get some residuals off of that. So my 366 00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:48,599 guess is that he'll probably have some way to be in into that, And 367 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,799 I'm sure if the Manning family wants him to be in those products, he'll 368 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,440 be in them. But you won't get autographs because the NIL. But that's 369 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,279 a very good question, Rex, and I don't know their to how that 370 00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:06,559 nil. Trump's the college license and stuff like that that TOPS has with Bowing 371 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,240 You and stuff like. I think he will be in Bowman You because of 372 00:28:10,279 --> 00:28:15,880 the TOPS holds the secen right, Yes, yeah, I would agree there, 373 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:22,440 I don't think, but I don't know if it'll be like Steel City 374 00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:26,720 said, action shots stuff like that. It may be a helmet off like 375 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,119 type of portrait, type of photo. I don't know how much they're gonna 376 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,279 be using the logos. I don't know. I don't know how that works. 377 00:28:33,319 --> 00:28:37,880 Actually, it's a very good question, Retch, and I'm very curious 378 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:44,359 about it. Rex also sos Fanatics also making moves signing retired players to exclusives 379 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,759 and that this is interesting and dictating what they can and can't sign. Wow. 380 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,079 Yeah, Peyton, for example, I heard about this and I was 381 00:28:52,119 --> 00:28:56,839 actually going to bring this up. Rex. Peyton is now a Fanatics exclusive 382 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:02,599 and it can not sign Pannini cards. And I will tell you this is 383 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:07,640 a very big thing. The undertakers signed when he signed when he retired and 384 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:12,319 signed his Legends agreement. Wwe put in a massive amount of stuff on the 385 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:17,880 exact cards. He can sign the exact cards, he can't. I think 386 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,799 this is going to be a very very big thing going forward. But what 387 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,839 do you guys think about that? Well, you know, several years ago 388 00:29:25,599 --> 00:29:30,119 I did the bo Bikes Bama ride down in Auburn, Alabama, and of 389 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,640 course Bo Jackson was there. King Griffy Junior was there. After after the 390 00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:38,359 after the ride, I went up to Bo Jackson to getting to sign just 391 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,640 my my number from my jersey. He signed that. I got King Griffy 392 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:47,599 Junior to sign it. But then people came up with trading cards for then 393 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,519 him to sign and he said, I'm sorry, I can't sign any of 394 00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:53,640 those. It's you know, due to my deal. So yeah, I 395 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:59,119 didn't. I didn't know that. With Peyton Manning, that's the it's very 396 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,400 new. It's very new. But yes, they are signing up a lot 397 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,319 of older players and a lot of the new Fanatics exclusives, a lot of 398 00:30:07,359 --> 00:30:12,240 the new stuff that you see, especially with retired players. Look at that 399 00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:15,839 language because they're putting it in there a lot. They're trying to do it 400 00:30:17,119 --> 00:30:22,559 very very very specific. They're trying to do the jordan Esque deals, which 401 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,279 you know, as we all talked about, you know, Lebron possibly still 402 00:30:26,319 --> 00:30:30,319 not being an Upper Deck exclusive. He's still not on their exclusives page anymore. 403 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:36,079 But one million cups project my man jumping in with some great information. 404 00:30:36,279 --> 00:30:38,440 Only way Arch can be in bowman You is, like I thought, if 405 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,519 he signs a deal with Fanatics. Fanatics owns a school license, but they 406 00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:48,119 can only put in players sign to NIL. So Arch would have to sign 407 00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:53,400 a separate agreement with Fanatics as well, which he can do. He's exclusive 408 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,359 in terms of autographs and things like that, but it is not an exclusive 409 00:30:57,519 --> 00:31:03,000 NIL license. He could theoretically license themselves out for bowming you. But I 410 00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:07,440 think you're gonna see Arch Manning. Here we go again. They're gonna take 411 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:12,359 over the NFL license, tops You're very soon and now Arch Manning not gonna 412 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:18,279 have licensed stuff probably as well. So all these big guys are getting snagged 413 00:31:18,359 --> 00:31:23,240 up by the opposite companies like they're getting signed. They're getting snagged up by 414 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:29,160 all the people that don't have the license right now, and that that's gonna 415 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:34,240 be really really interesting in a couple of years to watch the market on their 416 00:31:34,319 --> 00:31:41,599 rookie cards or when they finally get you know, an actual licensed auto or 417 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,680 those gonna start to you know, command insane money. You know, how 418 00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:49,799 is all that going to play out? Because it's definitely gonna change. You 419 00:31:49,839 --> 00:31:55,720 know, it's kind of like the vintage days where you had Mickey Mann not 420 00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:00,319 being in like fifty four Tops, you know, things like that. So, 421 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,839 I mean, because back then that's what they did. All the players 422 00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:09,920 signed individual contracts with Tops or Bowmen or whoever. And of course they didn't 423 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:14,160 get paid a lot of money. It's like here's a catalog of things you 424 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,079 can get out of the catalog, like a toaster or something. I mean, 425 00:32:16,079 --> 00:32:21,200 you didn't get a lot, but still still, I mean they did 426 00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:24,640 have exclusive deals back then. Yeah, yes, Rex, it will when 427 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:30,039 he does go pro. I misspoke. I meant his Bowman stuff, like 428 00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:35,599 in terms of like licensed college stuff, his pre pre rookie stuff, his 429 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,640 first Bowmans, which I think I still think the first Bowmans, which here 430 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,799 I got a question for your Victor. While we're on this topic, what 431 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,920 do you think about bowman you, while we're talking about it right now, 432 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:51,640 being a rookie card guy and being everything like that with fanatics getting all these 433 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,599 licenses to you know, obviously football and basketball eventually and now they're starting to 434 00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:00,279 put out cards. Was first bowman on it when BB being a great example? 435 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,960 Do you think do you think that these hobbies are going to adopt the 436 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,440 first bowman like baseball has. Do you see that happening or do you see 437 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:15,799 this as people saying, Okay, it's really just a glorified college card because 438 00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:19,920 there's not that minor league system. Even though the NBA is putting one in 439 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,759 place, there's not that minor league system like baseball. Yeah, I think 440 00:33:23,799 --> 00:33:29,400 it's I don't know, it's it's going to the cards will be popular and 441 00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:36,119 wanted and desired during the release, right but then as soon as the pro 442 00:33:36,279 --> 00:33:40,559 stuff starts coming out, it seems like the bowman first or the bowman you 443 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:45,319 they start to fizzle out. When you look at values of this stuff, 444 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,559 they take off, but when they come down, they come down and they 445 00:33:49,599 --> 00:33:52,720 stay there. So I don't know, it's that's how I view it as 446 00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:59,400 technically speaking, Uh, you know, does the hobby Will the hobby evolve 447 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,759 towards that? I mean there's a there's a section of the hobby that does 448 00:34:01,839 --> 00:34:08,320 that already has but you know, again, what's the silent minority, what's 449 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:14,519 the silent majority? It's going to be Uh, they prefer the hobby still 450 00:34:14,559 --> 00:34:20,039 prefers Uh, rookie cards that are fully licensed that are you know, that 451 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,280 have all the bells and whistles. Yeah, and this collegiate stuff they've been 452 00:34:23,559 --> 00:34:28,360 you know, college basketball. That stuff's been around since the nineties, you 453 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,719 know, and it's it really go look at the values of that stuff in 454 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,559 the nineties, and I mean they made a ton of it, all kind 455 00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:37,800 of different, you know, Collector's edge and a press pass was my favorite, 456 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:44,960 with the nets, the ai dita. Uh, but go look at 457 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,360 the values and the desirability of those cards today. I mean, they're just 458 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:52,599 not there. As soon as the pro cards come out, it trumps everything 459 00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:57,400 else. Yeah. From a collectibility standpoint, there they are collectible, but 460 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,400 like you said, they're just there's no value in them. And if you're 461 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,159 just a true collector's that's fine, they're great. But if you're if you're 462 00:35:04,159 --> 00:35:07,840 looking to try to trade those cards. Maybe you sell those cards. You 463 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:14,320 can't do that. I agree to an extent. I think it's way different 464 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:19,679 than baseball because the first bowmans in baseball, they're at least in the uniforms 465 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,400 of pro teams. You know, the first bowmans aren't in college uniforms or 466 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:30,360 something like that. They get them in a actual MLB uniform for bowmen and 467 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:35,320 things like that. But as as Steel City does say, you know, 468 00:35:35,519 --> 00:35:39,440 this is a growing market, the nil market is a growing market. Kind 469 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:44,559 of like I look at it kind of like F one wwe all that stuff 470 00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:49,199 a couple of years ago. It's just now starting to get it build its 471 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,320 way into the hobby. And I don't really know if we know what it's 472 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:57,480 going to be yet. I could see some bowmans especifically, like the Wemby 473 00:35:57,519 --> 00:36:00,880 with that in that green with the first Auto I ever signed type of card. 474 00:36:01,519 --> 00:36:05,440 I think that type of stuff is going to hold some value. I 475 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:13,239 think the NBA probably has the best chance of it actually working and becoming a 476 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,559 thing, as within ten years, the NBA is basically going to have a 477 00:36:16,599 --> 00:36:20,880 farm system. They're going to have like a lower A, a mid A, 478 00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:23,920 type of deal like baseball, and so when they get there, I 479 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,199 can easily see the NBA adopting it. But I do agree. I think 480 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,400 the rookies are always going to trump in those sports, and just just like 481 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:37,039 they really do in baseball, you just have that big segment of bowman diehards. 482 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,599 But I mean, like in the nineties, right they would release that 483 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:46,519 collegiate stuff like during the off season, like you know, and then come 484 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:52,000 October they would release the pro stuff. But to me, it was that 485 00:36:52,119 --> 00:36:55,760 window of during the summer that a lot of this stuff was released and it 486 00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:00,239 was popular. I mean, people dug it. But I mean nowadays we 487 00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:05,280 release NBA product like You're round. Oh, I know, all the sports 488 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,119 it's like You're round, there's releases. So yeah, I don't know, 489 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,840 and I do agree with rect right here. It is funny. The college 490 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:16,440 memorabilia market is massive, Like even for a school like my like East Carolina, 491 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:21,039 which is what I super collect and what like my shoes and everything on 492 00:37:21,079 --> 00:37:25,000 the wall back here are even that stuff just goes for absurd money. Like 493 00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:30,719 the college memorabilia market is so different than the college card market. I think 494 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:36,119 if we get some more people from that memorabilia market to start getting some cardboard, 495 00:37:36,159 --> 00:37:39,400 that would help a lot. But it is a very very big difference. 496 00:37:40,199 --> 00:37:45,280 Obviously the pro market they're huge, but college memorabilia compared to college cards 497 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:52,079 massively, massively big. So yeah, as Rex says, they had Anthony 498 00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:57,920 Thomas last year. His Michigan helmets and jerseys helped sold his bare stuff five 499 00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:00,960 to one. And they're closer to Chicago than an arbor. So yeah, 500 00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:05,400 yeah, No, the college stuff is cheers. I mean, Johnny Manzel 501 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,559 or Baker Mayfield, they still command quite a bit with their stuff with college 502 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:16,599 none of the pro stuff, but the college stuff matters. Yeah, one 503 00:38:16,639 --> 00:38:22,760 million Cubs projects completely agree, similar to pro wrestling, huge, but the 504 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:27,599 card market is not at all same with memorabilia. But guys, I wanted 505 00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:30,639 to touch on one thing when we're talking. Earlier, Rex was mentioned in 506 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:35,800 National Treasures and we talked about National Treasures to high end stuff and about how 507 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,920 these quarterbacks from this year probably aren't going to have our PA's. Well, 508 00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:45,320 National Treasures last year just dropped and those quarterbacks all did have our PA's in 509 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:52,960 it. And the Brock Party one of one true RPA shield, well that 510 00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:57,800 took like two days to get pulled. It was cold, and it has 511 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:04,280 been confirmed that it sold in a private sale for over They won't say the 512 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:09,480 exact number, but they will confirm that it's sold for over a hundred thousand 513 00:39:09,519 --> 00:39:15,800 dollars, making him the eleventh active NFL player to have a card sell for 514 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:22,239 one hundred thousand dollars or more. Wow, just what Brock Brock party? 515 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,960 Really crazy money? I mean, at least it's not the mac Jones prison 516 00:39:27,079 --> 00:39:30,000 finite for one hundred grand, but still, like, come on, yeah, 517 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,280 what what did you call? You said it was a true RP. 518 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,559 It's a true it's his true RPA out of ninety nine they call it, 519 00:39:38,679 --> 00:39:42,400 you know, the one out of ninety nine, none of the parallels. 520 00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:46,400 Well, it was his one of one, but his one of one shield 521 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:52,199 RPA because they normally have a horizontical and a vertical, and the verticals considered 522 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:58,559 the true if you want to call it, okay, and so the vertical 523 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,079 shield one of one sold for over one hundred thousand dollars. Wow, Yeah, 524 00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:06,559 that's amazing. Steel City says, hot take, he's a lottery ticket 525 00:40:06,639 --> 00:40:08,960 right now? At one hundred grand? Is he a lottery ticket? I 526 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:15,199 mean yes, he's a lottery ticket one thousand percent. But I mean, 527 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:21,119 I thought people had learned by now. They haven't learned. I thought people 528 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:27,639 had learned. Like trading card history keep repeating itself. There's only so much 529 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,599 for attack right off. Like, I mean, a lot of people don't 530 00:40:30,639 --> 00:40:34,480 get that. A lot of these big sales when they drop in prices, 531 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,679 Yeah, they get a nice little tax right off on some of it. 532 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:42,119 But I mean, you ain't getting it on this that much. I don't 533 00:40:42,199 --> 00:40:47,360 get it. I don't get it. Alongside I'm gonna be San Francisco, 534 00:40:47,639 --> 00:40:52,719 that's the big thing. Who the hell, who the hell knows? Who 535 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,920 knows? Is not gonna be Trey Lance? But who sold that card? 536 00:40:57,039 --> 00:41:00,800 Where was it sold? Bad? I'll pull it up right now. It 537 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:05,440 was so it was a private sale, I believe at a card shop. 538 00:41:05,519 --> 00:41:09,400 Let me see, I have it right here, Okay, okay. It 539 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:15,440 was pulled by a group called card Hub, and card Hub confirmed that it 540 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:20,280 was a private sale that was over one hundred thousand dollars, but they will 541 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,840 not give the actual number on it. Yeah, so, okay, all 542 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:27,480 right, it's a private sale, right, looks like it was pulled by 543 00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:32,440 someone in the Marines or in the service, or it was bought by someone 544 00:41:32,519 --> 00:41:37,880 in the in the Army or in the service because they're decked out in Yeah. 545 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,800 Air Force. Okay, air Force Army something like that was the person 546 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:45,360 that pulled it, and they sold it through card Hub who pulled it for 547 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,719 him, so it was pulling. You can find it up on a collectibles 548 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,519 guru. He has a nice little write up on it on his Twitter. 549 00:41:52,159 --> 00:41:57,840 He always has some great stuff out on there. But yeah, right, 550 00:41:58,199 --> 00:42:00,719 but yeah, I mean one hundred grand, like yeah, Like I said 551 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:05,199 before, I just thought people had learned. Yeah, like, let's let's 552 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,920 let's just slow down. Like I always have a rule at least when it 553 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:14,519 comes to rookies, and you feel about this record, Victor, but you 554 00:42:14,599 --> 00:42:20,920 can't judge in the NFL, in the NFL or the NBA, there's no 555 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:27,119 way you can judge a rookie without three years of actual play. I agree. 556 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,400 That's why I don't prospect anymore. I used to prospect heavily in the 557 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:36,159 nineties, and but I tell you it's it's a losing proposition for sure for 558 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,159 me. I mean, some people might have a better insight and it can 559 00:42:39,199 --> 00:42:44,000 do it, but it's yeah, it takes a few years. They got 560 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,360 to gain some get some stats under their belt, and that sort of thing. 561 00:42:46,519 --> 00:42:50,920 Well, that's it. It's the high end prospecting that confuses me. 562 00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:53,800 I understand. Like, look in twenty seventeen, if you wanted to prospect 563 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:59,480 Mahomes, that was brilliant. He was cheap, he was sitting, he 564 00:42:59,559 --> 00:43:02,800 wasn't playing, You had not much to lose. You could buy the stuff 565 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:07,280 for five bucks. It's the same reason I prospect on people like Shay Jollis 566 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:12,239 Alexander. He was five dollars when I was buying him, and I thought 567 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,159 he'd be good in three years. Three years later, he's amazing. Like, 568 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:21,519 I understand prospecting on some of the lower end rookies, but when you're 569 00:43:21,559 --> 00:43:25,039 prospecting on these high end guys, I mean, what are you baking into 570 00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:30,159 one hundred thousand dollars? Like, where does that? How does this card 571 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:34,880 go up? I mean, but even if he wins a Super Bowl, 572 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,280 how much higher than a hundred grand is this card gonna go right? Because 573 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:43,079 I'll guarantee you Christian McCaffrey and the rest of that team's gonna help carry a 574 00:43:43,119 --> 00:43:45,800 lot of that load. His stats might look nice. But CMC, if 575 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:50,800 they were to win a Super Bowl, Christian McCaffrey would be putting up MVP 576 00:43:51,039 --> 00:43:54,280 type numbers out of the backfield. Otherwise I have no chance. So what 577 00:43:54,679 --> 00:43:59,159 are you baking into one hundred grand? Right? I hear you? That 578 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,519 mean? Was it? Was it an impulse by or is it somebody who's 579 00:44:01,679 --> 00:44:06,360 not in the hobby that's just like a fan of his. I mean, 580 00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:10,679 who knows what happened there? But still I agree one hundred grand is it's 581 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,400 to me, it's ridiculous. I get leary with private sales too. I 582 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:20,159 didn't it could be some market manipulation in there, that sort of thing, 583 00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:23,760 unless it's been verified by a you know, by somebody but like card Ladder 584 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:29,440 or somebody like that. I'm actually going up as we're as we're discussing this, 585 00:44:29,639 --> 00:44:32,239 I'm actually going to check to see if card Ladders verified it yet. 586 00:44:32,639 --> 00:44:36,880 If not, I am going to reach out and I'll post it on the 587 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,840 hobby hotline socials if we find out that would like to know if it is 588 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:45,039 verified, because I agree the private sales, especially when it's the company that 589 00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:47,639 pulled it reporting it, you know what I mean, and not paid for 590 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:52,480 it or anything like that. I'd like to know where it went. Things 591 00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:55,920 like that, and did it really go for a one hundred grand? How 592 00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:01,679 much higher over a hundred grand? Be interesting? You know, let's see 593 00:45:02,119 --> 00:45:06,559 all right, guys, So we do have about ten minutes left in the 594 00:45:06,599 --> 00:45:14,599 show. Once again, if what's that? I can't believe we only got 595 00:45:14,599 --> 00:45:16,679 like ten minutes left. Where did the heck did the last fifteen minutes go? 596 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:21,920 No? I know if it always flies by, it flies by every 597 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,320 single time. But guys, if there's something that you would like to discuss 598 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:30,000 in the on the show or anything, or have any questions, please put 599 00:45:30,039 --> 00:45:32,519 them in the comments as well as click that beautiful link right there. You 600 00:45:32,559 --> 00:45:37,679 can come jump on the show and audio or video format, argue with us, 601 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,519 yell at us, talk nice, whatever you'd like to do. But 602 00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:45,679 don't get crazy. Yeah, don't. I can do this. I can 603 00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:52,519 just remove your real quick so I don't get too crazy. Kevin, how 604 00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:58,239 you doing? Happy belated national to you as well. Some Tim Wong asked, 605 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,960 what about the Drew Jones one and one for one hundred k? Then 606 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:05,280 he gets injured in first week at rookie league ball? There you go. 607 00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:10,599 Yeah, but also again, I have no judgment on him whatsoever. Yet 608 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:16,519 I think the bounty that someone put on it is awesome. I think bounties 609 00:46:16,519 --> 00:46:22,079 are wonderful for the hobby if they're done the right way. I think boundaries 610 00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:27,039 are incredibly good for the hobby. But I mean, you got to give 611 00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:30,119 the guy time. He hasn't played yet, just like I mean it, 612 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:35,079 just like the COVID guys, is a little different because they lost a year 613 00:46:35,159 --> 00:46:37,679 of you know, their time and everything like that as well, makes them 614 00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:42,239 a little older, not any playing time. It's a little different. But 615 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,000 these new guys, Drew Jones, Let's let him get healthy and let's see 616 00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,400 what he can do. I mean, I don't think it changes anything at 617 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:51,679 the moment. And the million dollars part of that bounty was to have a 618 00:46:51,679 --> 00:46:57,159 Hall of Fame career, so you know, that bounty kind of goes along 619 00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,599 for his entire career. So I don't know, Let's maybe let him get 620 00:47:00,599 --> 00:47:05,840 healthy and actually swing the bat a couple times before we judge anything, you 621 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,119 know. But I do agree hundred ks a lot, but that is a 622 00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:15,719 bounty again, not individual wanting to purchase the card. So let me ask 623 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:20,039 you guys this one hundred thousand dollars. Yeah, couldn't you take that money 624 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,280 and really buy some nice vintage cards. I mean, imagine the thirty three 625 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:29,280 gaudy Babe Ruth you could buy, or even a low end fifty two Mickey 626 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:36,159 Mantle Rookie or something, and a day would brock party if you wanted too. 627 00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,639 I'm pretty sure. Oh well, I'm sure he could. If you 628 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:44,079 Alford brought party thirty grand to hang out for the afternoon, I'm pretty sure 629 00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:46,679 he's taking it. And then you got seventy to spend on whatever the hell 630 00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:51,920 you want. I mean, that's what I never understand on this, Like 631 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:53,960 you can hang out with the dude for one hundred grand, you get a 632 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:58,639 lot cooler stuff than that National Treasures one oh one. You can get stuff 633 00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,800 psal slab you need it authenticated. But yeah, you know, I agree. 634 00:48:04,159 --> 00:48:06,880 Well, you know, on NASCAR radio, you know, we go 635 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:12,199 over eBay auctions and we'll see, like somebody like Hayley Degan, which I'm 636 00:48:12,199 --> 00:48:14,440 sure a lot of people are familiar with her out there, you know, 637 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,280 one of one for five hundred dollars, and I'm thinking for five hundred dollars, 638 00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,679 I could really buy me a couple of nice deal Earnhart Senior autos or 639 00:48:21,679 --> 00:48:25,760 something like that. I just don't understand putting that kind of money into people 640 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:30,880 that are that are unproven. But no, that's just take No. I 641 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:32,159 agree, And like I said, I maan, it's just like where does 642 00:48:32,199 --> 00:48:37,039 it go? Like, it's not everything's gonna be my hunt. People get 643 00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:43,239 like starstruck by these Mahomes sales, these Brady sales, things like that. 644 00:48:43,639 --> 00:48:46,119 I'm gonna let you guys in on a little secret. There's some people named 645 00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:51,440 Philip Rivers, Matt Ryan Peyton, Manny Drew Brees, a lot of other 646 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,920 ones, Aaron Rodgers, a lot of quarterbacks don't sell for crap compared to 647 00:48:54,960 --> 00:49:01,079 them that are absolutely amazing. So you're gonna have that one or two players 648 00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:05,480 that are going to do it. But putting this type of money into them 649 00:49:05,519 --> 00:49:09,119 so young, I just don't understand it. I don't. I don't get 650 00:49:09,159 --> 00:49:14,280 it in these sports, I just don't. It's it's it's just exciting. 651 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:15,599 I mean, people with money got to have fun in the hobby too. 652 00:49:15,679 --> 00:49:21,920 So no, I have no problem with it. I'm not buying National Treasures. 653 00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,920 I've got a box of immaculate here and I've got a case of National 654 00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:30,599 Treasures, but they're empty and they were never full with cards that were mine. 655 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:35,639 You know, I'm not buying it. So I love the sales. 656 00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,159 I think it's awesome. And if it helps the lower end stuff, you 657 00:49:38,199 --> 00:49:43,360 know self for a little bit more, I have no problem with that whatsoever. 658 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,639 I just when I see a sale like that, it's just it's mine. 659 00:49:47,679 --> 00:49:52,119 Blook to me. Well, you know, it's generated headlines and it's 660 00:49:52,159 --> 00:49:54,360 got I was talking about it, so it must be something to it. 661 00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:59,599 Yeah, And Frank says, like Gary B said, ninety nine percent these 662 00:49:59,639 --> 00:50:02,920 cards a going to be worth nothing in twenty years. I completely disagree with 663 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:08,880 that one thousand percent. There's always going to be value in a in a 664 00:50:09,039 --> 00:50:13,840 hobby where they're collected. Now, are they going to be worth a ton 665 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,079 of money? Are they going to be worth what they are today? You 666 00:50:16,159 --> 00:50:20,960 could easily say that ninety nine percent of them are not. But to say 667 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,920 they're going to have no value is just is just crazy, because there's always 668 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:29,199 going to be value in a hobby that is based on collectors. Now, 669 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:35,320 if the investor side of everything and the speculative side of everything disappears in ten 670 00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,599 years, You're still going to have those collectives. Yeah, you're still going 671 00:50:37,639 --> 00:50:45,000 to have value. It's yeah, I completely disagree with Gary b And I 672 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,519 actually agree with a lot of stuff he says, but I completely disagree with 673 00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:52,239 him when he says something like that, Let's see Steeal City dw As we 674 00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,480 wrap up, I blame Vegas Dave. He started it with the drought. 675 00:50:54,599 --> 00:51:00,599 First. Look, we can blame Vegas Day for a lot of things, 676 00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:06,559 but I mean, you can blame Vegas Dave for, like I said, 677 00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:08,800 a lot of things. But yeah, the trout super was the first that 678 00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:14,559 got a lot of attention. However, the hobby was on a very very 679 00:51:14,599 --> 00:51:19,000 steady up swing well before that. He was just the kind of the first 680 00:51:19,079 --> 00:51:23,320 one to make it mainstream, so to speak, which thankfully Vegas Day has 681 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:28,280 disappeared into a black hole, which is probably the best for everybody, but 682 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,000 you know, it is what it is. Let's see Matt City. Bruce 683 00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:35,559 says, my collection could be worth a lot or not, but they'll have 684 00:51:35,639 --> 00:51:39,400 the memories of opening packs with my son. Absolutely, That's That's what I'm 685 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:44,639 saying. Like, even if all the speculative stuff, all these one hundred 686 00:51:44,639 --> 00:51:49,039 thousand dollars. Sales disappear in the highest sale we have every year's ten grand 687 00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:53,519 on some PMG Jordan or something. But whatever it may be, that you're 688 00:51:53,559 --> 00:51:57,920 always going to have the collectors there and the value is always going to be 689 00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,599 there in some way, shape or form. It's just what the value, 690 00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:04,840 what value means to you in the honey, right, I mean that's what 691 00:52:05,159 --> 00:52:07,039 That's what it comes down to. Well, you know, as a collector, 692 00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,559 I get asked a lot, you know, since all these headlines of 693 00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:15,840 all these mega sales of cards and things are always happening, I'm always asked 694 00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,760 how much is your collection worth? And I'm like, you know, honestly, 695 00:52:20,159 --> 00:52:22,800 I mean I have some vague idea, but I really don't know. 696 00:52:23,519 --> 00:52:28,239 And that's that's not the reason that I collect. I collect because I have 697 00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,840 fun with it. I like to hang out with my like minded friends that 698 00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:35,599 also do the same thing. It's just fun for me. I mean, 699 00:52:35,639 --> 00:52:38,239 I know that may not be a popular thing in this day of investing and 700 00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:42,760 all that, but for me, I'm old school and I'm a collector. 701 00:52:43,199 --> 00:52:45,159 Yeah. Oh, I couldn't even begin to tell you what my collection is 702 00:52:45,559 --> 00:52:50,440 worth. Like not because it's worth so much, but just because I don't 703 00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:55,719 I don't know. I bought them because I liked them exactly. Speaking on 704 00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,320 that guy's for to wrap up the show, we got a couple of minutes. 705 00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:04,840 We talked about it before the show. We had some NSCC pickups. 706 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,159 I know everybody has some cards on the desk, so I want to show 707 00:53:07,159 --> 00:53:12,400 off some show off some cards to end this week's show. YEP, sounds 708 00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,280 good. Yeah, sure, that's cool. Awesome. We're gonna show up 709 00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:19,920 and guys drop us in the comments. What were your favorite pickups of the 710 00:53:20,039 --> 00:53:23,719 national if you went, were your best pick up lately? Oh? Very 711 00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,559 nice? Yeah, that's a This is a cool card, and I'll tell 712 00:53:27,559 --> 00:53:31,159 you the reason I bought it. It's a nineteen sixty six Dutch Paul Newman. 713 00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:37,239 Paul Newman this year was inducted into the Motorsports Hall of Fame of America. 714 00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,840 And I actually have a set on the PSA set registry for those you 715 00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:45,280 know, those drivers. So I thought I saw this, I thought was 716 00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:51,559 really cool. You got to go instead of King Mascart due King set Registry, 717 00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:57,840 King SR. I got I got one. I bought first one of 718 00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,119 them. You can see right here is from card Killer, the Darth Maul, 719 00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:07,639 the Darth Mantle card killer. We got that one, but one of 720 00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:09,719 my favorites, and this is something that I'm actually doing a lot of with 721 00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:15,159 grading is for reselling. Right now, I'm focusing on team colored color match 722 00:54:15,199 --> 00:54:20,639 stuff, and I absolutely love the look of these cards this year. It's 723 00:54:20,679 --> 00:54:27,079 a modern card out of twenty twenty three select but the throwback selects that looked 724 00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:30,440 like the old school ones. Picked up the green Jason Tatum, which is 725 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:37,199 a super short print simply because I like the color matches. They if you're 726 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,880 someone that likes to buy low end stuff, grade and flip, they sell 727 00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:45,159 incredibly well, and that's just something that's fun to me. Also snagged a 728 00:54:45,199 --> 00:54:51,679 couple of Ellis, and then being a being a fan of just weird old 729 00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:55,719 school stuff, snagged the o J and then out of the National Pam and 730 00:54:55,960 --> 00:55:01,920 yearsitional tacks, got the Tyler vand Dike Goal. So nice Tyler Van Dyke 731 00:55:02,039 --> 00:55:06,719 Gold There what you got, Victor anything? All right? A little bit 732 00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:10,599 of nineteen seventy one Thurman Munson, a little bit of vintage there, a 733 00:55:10,639 --> 00:55:15,559 little bit of ultra, a little bit of what I call ultra ultra Vintage 734 00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:22,400 nineteen eighty Greg Maddox. Yeah, here's and a little bit of eighty five 735 00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:31,000 Tops Tiffany Roger Clemens Rookie, and a pretty cool Mickey Mantle gold refractory and 736 00:55:31,119 --> 00:55:37,159 another cool another Mickey Mantle gold refractor. Oh nice? Were those from Platinum 737 00:55:37,199 --> 00:55:43,960 Anniversary. These were from the two thousand and eight Tops Mantle reprints. So 738 00:55:44,119 --> 00:55:47,880 yeah, that was a good set. Like yeah, So, so for 739 00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,840 those of you who follow me on Twitter, you know that I'm always talking 740 00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,840 about my PSA Sophomoric Slabs showcase, where I have all these funny name cards 741 00:55:55,840 --> 00:56:00,519 and funny pictures on cards. I picked out this card. It's not great, 742 00:56:00,679 --> 00:56:07,840 Dick, felt really funny you mentioned that logan because in my hand I've 743 00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:15,559 got an eighteen eighty eight Allen and Ginter World Smokers Pole Smoker. Oh gosh, 744 00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:20,800 I've got to get that one now. Speaking of which, what about 745 00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,000 nineteen ninety three? Oh yeah, I love that card. There we go, 746 00:56:27,079 --> 00:56:30,400 we're speaking of I actually just put up which Victor. I need you 747 00:56:30,519 --> 00:56:34,480 to send me a picture that that's going on Iconic Images I just started on 748 00:56:34,519 --> 00:56:39,679 my Instagram, just hilarious photos from guards in history. A little set I 749 00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:43,480 need an image of that one. I like that one that's going on the 750 00:56:43,639 --> 00:56:49,519 Iconic Cards nineteen ninety three Stadium Club, Stadium Club. Okay, writing that 751 00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:53,360 one down, all right, guys, Well that is gonna wrap up this 752 00:56:53,559 --> 00:56:58,360 week's episode of the show. We'll end it up on Dick Felt and Pole. 753 00:57:01,599 --> 00:57:07,119 I guess that's how the show's gonna go today. But thank you guys 754 00:57:07,199 --> 00:57:09,679 so much for tuning in. Of course, you can find us every single 755 00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:15,119 Saturday, well, a different cast of characters every single Saturday at eleven am 756 00:57:15,199 --> 00:57:20,239 Eastern and then the first Tuesday of every single month, which yeah, that'll 757 00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,320 be coming up in a couple of weeks at nine pm Eastern also, but 758 00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:29,719 of course every single Saturday here on Bench Clear Media, and of course follow 759 00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,719 all of the awesome people that are a part of Hobby Hotline on all of 760 00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:37,199 our socials and make sure to check out the videos and all the other cool 761 00:57:37,239 --> 00:57:40,320 stuff we have up as well as check out everything over on Hobby News Daily. 762 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:45,280 But thank you guys so much for tuning in and Logan Victor always a 763 00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:50,079 pleasure you guys. Yea, You'll have a wonderful Saturday. We'll see you 764 00:57:50,119 --> 00:57:51,039 next week. Bas