1 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,280 Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin willshre host and I've got 2 00:00:30,359 --> 00:00:34,359 one of my favorite guests coming up tonight, Michael schrat. He has done 3 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:41,399 great research over the years as a aviation historian and he does meticulous work in 4 00:00:41,439 --> 00:00:46,679 his investigations. Tonight we're gonna be talking about UFO crash retrievals. It should 5 00:00:46,679 --> 00:00:51,079 be a very interesting show. Thank you all for showing up here. Thank 6 00:00:51,119 --> 00:00:55,840 you those who support the show. Anyone can do that over at podcastufo dot 7 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:00,799 com under support the show. A couple couple of things. The blog this 8 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:07,439 week is a from Charles Lear. As usual is a sixteen sixty five UFO 9 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:14,359 report from Straslund, Germany. Talks about a lot of the work of Chris 10 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,439 Aubeck, who I've been trying to get on the show. Hopefully I'll get 11 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,680 them on one of these days. But it's a great article, and check 12 00:01:19,719 --> 00:01:25,359 that out over at podcastufo dot com. A lot of you know this already. 13 00:01:25,599 --> 00:01:29,599 It's old news to most of you out there that pay attention to what's 14 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:36,920 going on. But basically, the Schumer Rounds act was more or less gutted 15 00:01:37,359 --> 00:01:41,799 unfortunately, and you know something is passing, but it's very, very weak, 16 00:01:42,079 --> 00:01:46,159 and so it's you know, I've heard people say it's up to you 17 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,120 know, all of us to you know, push this thing along and perhaps 18 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:57,079 maybe we'll have some more whistleblowers coming forward. I know someone sent me something 19 00:01:57,319 --> 00:02:00,799 saying to look for David Grush's op ed coming out soon. It's going to 20 00:02:00,799 --> 00:02:06,400 be more revealing. I'm not sure we'll see how all that goes. That. 21 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:12,000 One of the things that came to mind is if if you know, 22 00:02:12,039 --> 00:02:16,759 one of the things that was gutted was the eminent domain and for any hardware 23 00:02:17,039 --> 00:02:23,479 or anything that these private corporations like Lucky Martin or places like that may hold. 24 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:28,319 I say may because I don't know, but all that was gutted. 25 00:02:28,759 --> 00:02:31,680 And you know, my question is why would it be gutted if there was 26 00:02:32,199 --> 00:02:38,280 nothing to hide that. You know, maybe it's that's kind of conspiratorial, 27 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,680 but it makes sense to me that if they had nothing to hide, they 28 00:02:42,719 --> 00:02:46,479 wouldn't care whether that was in there or not. And I'm talking about the 29 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:52,199 people that are funded campaign funds that were involved in this, from places like 30 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:57,759 Lockheed Martin and so I'm just name dropping, but I'm sure there's many others 31 00:02:58,439 --> 00:03:00,919 and it's just too bad that this thing was guided and now it's up to 32 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:06,439 us and the whistleblow is to try to get more answers and hopefully that will 33 00:03:06,479 --> 00:03:10,240 happen. So I'm ready to bring in the guests. Michael, welcome to 34 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,560 the show. I'm Mark. Good to be with you. Yeah, great 35 00:03:14,599 --> 00:03:16,800 to have you back. It's been a couple of years, and uh, 36 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:21,360 I really enjoyed the last time. And I remember there was a person that 37 00:03:21,479 --> 00:03:25,120 was doing illustrating. Is that we're going to be seeing the same illustrations as 38 00:03:25,159 --> 00:03:30,599 people. Well, I've got three illustrators that I'm working with and you'll see 39 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,400 you'll see all of that tonight. Yeah yeah, okay, yeah, so 40 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,520 great, great work. Do you want to go ahead and you want to 41 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,159 dive right into it and we can we can do that all that, right 42 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:45,560 up? Okay, yep, all right, all right, So would you 43 00:03:45,639 --> 00:03:49,159 like me to make this the full page? Let's see here, it doesn't 44 00:03:49,199 --> 00:03:52,240 matter, Okay, I think we can see that pretty good. Yeah, 45 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,719 all right, so you see that full screen? Right I do? Yeah, 46 00:03:54,759 --> 00:03:58,520 okay, good, all right. So I'm gonna I'm gonna move forward 47 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:03,199 here, and this present is called Retrievals of the third kind cosmic crashes, 48 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:09,919 corpses and cover ups. And I want to kind of lay the groundwork here 49 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:15,039 and I always like to start here. UFO crash retrievals the ultimate holy grail 50 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:20,040 of UFO research. Why am I calling it the holy grail is because it's 51 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:26,959 very simple. The crash retrievals contain everything we need to move this field forward. 52 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:31,959 Now. They just act this UAP disclosure legislation last week, so now 53 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:36,600 it's really up to the whistleblowers and you know, people who are in this 54 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:43,120 field that are trying to release and get access to And this is part of 55 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,279 this whole holy grail. Here the bodies, the debris, and the craft, 56 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:50,399 because these are the three key elements that we're going to need to move 57 00:04:50,439 --> 00:04:57,160 this field forward to bring this into congressional hearings. This is the vehicle that 58 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:01,319 is going to bring about disclosure. Couple of quick announcements before we get into 59 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:08,120 this here. The content of each case highlighted in this presentation has remained intact 60 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:12,600 for the discretion of the original source. The identity of first hand sources will 61 00:05:12,639 --> 00:05:17,360 be protected. Per Leonard Stringfield's original agreement with his military contacts. The visual 62 00:05:17,399 --> 00:05:25,759 aids using this presentation are computer generated forensic composite illustrations and sketches which originated from 63 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:30,720 the specific details provided by Leonard sources. Sources for the material covering this presentation 64 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:36,240 include the following. So here here are the first hand military sources that Leonard 65 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:45,160 Stringfield used to basically compile his crash retrieval accounts. Three star US Air Force 66 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:50,600 generals, US Air Force fighter pilots, astronauts, commercial pilots, air traffic 67 00:05:50,639 --> 00:06:00,120 controllers, neurosurgeons, pathologists, theoretical physicists and mathematicians. US Army officers, 68 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,720 Navy officers, military police, high level Pentagon officials, top military bress, 69 00:06:04,759 --> 00:06:11,160 scientists and engineers who worked at Right Paterson Air Force Base and other government facilities. 70 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:15,120 So that's just a cross section of the people that we'll be examining here 71 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:19,600 tonight. A couple of quick quotes here. Number one, UFO crash retrievals 72 00:06:19,639 --> 00:06:23,600 can't be real, because if they were, I would have read about them 73 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,199 in the local newspaper. That's the general public talking here. Number two, 74 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:34,160 there are not now, nor ever have been, any extraterrestrial visitors or equipment 75 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:39,920 on Right Patterson Air Force Base. This is their very own press release July 76 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,759 nineteen eighty. So that's what they're saying, and what we're going to do 77 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,519 here tonight is we're going to challenge them. We're going to challenge them with 78 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:54,120 our best top military witnesses. So it's going to be the witnesses against this 79 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,920 press release and the government, and let's see who comes out on top here. 80 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:02,360 Okay, this is the gentleman that were highlighting his work. Leonard Springfield 81 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:09,319 is the godfather of these crash retrieval cases. He actually coined the term UFO 82 00:07:09,399 --> 00:07:14,920 crash retrievals, and over at least a thirty year period, he collected dozens 83 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,519 I count one hundred and nineteen total of these crash retrieval cases. And that's 84 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:24,720 what we're going to talk about here. A couple of quick biographical points here. 85 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:30,040 Leonard Stringfield was born nineteen twenty grew up in Cincinnati, Ohio. By 86 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,639 the time he graduated from high school in nineteen thirty nine, he had already 87 00:07:32,639 --> 00:07:36,920 memorized the entire dictionary. He joined the military as soon as he heard about 88 00:07:36,959 --> 00:07:42,160 the attack on Pearl Harbor on December seventh, nineteen forty one. He was 89 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:46,040 employed by a chemical company in Ohio, and retired after thirty years. He 90 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:50,000 wrote two books, one in nineteen fifty seven, one in nineteen seventy seven, 91 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:55,839 which was called Situation Read the UFO Siege. Next one his lecture on 92 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:00,279 UFO crash retrievals at the nineteen seventy eight and you Find Some Posing Dayton, 93 00:08:00,319 --> 00:08:05,639 Ohio caused an international sensation. Yeah, it did, because this whole concept 94 00:08:07,399 --> 00:08:11,600 about UFO crash retriebles was still very early back then. This is something that 95 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:16,519 wasn't really talked about. And the agreement that Leonard made with his first hand 96 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:24,519 witnesses is that he could retain an important part of our national history by getting 97 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,040 the story out, but he could not use their names. And so that's 98 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,799 why there was a little bit of pushback when he was at this Mefin's imposing. 99 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:37,000 He passed away December eighteenth, nineteen ninety four. Okay, so this 100 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:43,720 is Cincinnati Enquirer July nineteenth, nineteen ninety three. It says author continues quest 101 00:08:43,279 --> 00:08:48,799 for truth about UFOs. Quote. What I've collected has staggering implications for mankind. 102 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,919 This would be the biggest thing since Christ really, and you could make 103 00:08:52,919 --> 00:08:58,039 an argument, yes, it would be actual contact debris, bodies, craft, 104 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:03,279 the actual physical evidence. It is the biggest thing since this time period. 105 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:07,919 So that's what we want to look at here now, somewhere out there, 106 00:09:09,639 --> 00:09:13,919 we believe there are twenty two bank boxes of original letters, correspondence, 107 00:09:13,639 --> 00:09:20,799 drawings, tapes, sketches, illustrations from Leonard's first hand witnesses. I know 108 00:09:20,879 --> 00:09:28,320 about fifteen years ago there was probably a six figure some offered for this collection, 109 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,919 but it was turned down. I've been kind of on the trail of 110 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:35,960 tracking this thing. I've been told that most of this has been thrown out 111 00:09:35,799 --> 00:09:43,240 and Leonard only wanted some things published from his anonymous sources. Maybe that's true. 112 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,840 I have reason to believe perhaps that there might be still something left. 113 00:09:46,919 --> 00:09:52,120 So at the very least, there were twenty two bank boxes somewhere around nineteen 114 00:09:52,159 --> 00:09:54,720 ninety one time frame, and it'd be great to track these original boxes down. 115 00:09:56,080 --> 00:10:00,559 So everything that we're going to be talking about Martin this evening comes from 116 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:05,080 Leonard's book here UFO Crash Retrievals nineteen seventy eight to nineteen ninety four. So 117 00:10:05,159 --> 00:10:09,039 if anyone wants to follow along, and I would recommend if you're interested in 118 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:13,679 the subject matter, you can get this book on Amazon. It's one hundred 119 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:18,039 dollars. It's not cheap, it's relatively thick. It's not for the feint 120 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,440 of heart. There's a lot of technical reading in here. I mean, 121 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,240 we're talking about crash retrievals. We're talking about bodies. We're talking about military 122 00:10:24,399 --> 00:10:31,519 covert operations bringing these craft on eighteen wheeler tractor trailer low boys and shipping them 123 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:37,159 to write Patterson Air Force Base, Egglin Air Force Base, McDill Air Force 124 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:41,240 Base, Homestead Air Force Base. All of the inter workings of these crash 125 00:10:41,279 --> 00:10:46,840 retrieval cases are examined and explained within this book. And it gives you, 126 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:50,080 of course, the page number, the case number, and that's what I'm 127 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,679 going to provide her tonight. All right, So, Martin, if you 128 00:10:52,759 --> 00:10:58,480 went to Vegas and you knew the odds were one hundred and nineteen to one 129 00:10:58,519 --> 00:11:01,840 in your favor, would you go to Vegas? Martin, what do you 130 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:07,399 think I'd be on a jet the next private jet I can find? Yes, 131 00:11:07,399 --> 00:11:11,039 that's right. So I've got this picture here on the right, and 132 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,039 let's just say there's one hundred and twenty one, one hundred and twenty spaces 133 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:18,879 here and you bet one hundred and nineteen, you're gonna win every time you 134 00:11:18,039 --> 00:11:22,399 almost cannot lose. I mean, their odds are in your favorite. That's 135 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,159 what we've got here. We've got one hundred and nineteen crash rechieval cases. 136 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:31,279 All we need is for one of these to be authentic and then the whole 137 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:37,960 concept about this whole thing being a non event completely falls apart. All we 138 00:11:37,039 --> 00:11:39,559 need is one. So really the odds are in our favor. Here. 139 00:11:41,039 --> 00:11:45,039 I want to give credit to my artist Rudy Gardea, who did all of 140 00:11:45,039 --> 00:11:48,519 the pencil sketches in this illustration. And we're going to start right here. 141 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,639 This is right Field, Dayton, Ohio, nineteen forty six. It had 142 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,399 not become right Patterson Air Force Base because the Air Force didn't exist back in 143 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:01,399 nineteen forty six. Now, this was a private worked in records management, 144 00:12:01,879 --> 00:12:05,600 and the book for this is spaced the final frontier, page fifty nine by 145 00:12:05,639 --> 00:12:07,320 Clark McCollum. This is the only time we're going to divert from this, 146 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,159 but on page fifty nine, this is the cover of the book here for 147 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:15,600 anyone who's interested, And I'm going to move forward to the sketch. Here's 148 00:12:15,639 --> 00:12:18,639 what this craft looked like this is in the book here. Now this is 149 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,159 nineteen forty six. This is before Roswell. This craft came in on a 150 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:28,799 railroad flat car from Arkansas. It was fifteen feet across, It was seven 151 00:12:28,799 --> 00:12:33,720 feet high and had a series of rectangular windows wrapped around the utter circumference. 152 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:37,759 It was highly polished mere reflective. There was a central column that rose from 153 00:12:37,759 --> 00:12:41,480 the bottom of the craft all the way to the top, and when they 154 00:12:41,519 --> 00:12:48,759 looked inside, it was aniseptically sterile. The exterior skin, as I mentioned 155 00:12:48,799 --> 00:12:54,519 before, I had this chrome polished exterior finish to it. No basically no 156 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,759 scenes. There were no rivets, there were no fasteners, there were no 157 00:12:56,799 --> 00:13:01,000 socket head capsters, there were no weldmark It looked like this thing was done 158 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:07,440 on a three printer on an atomic level. So here's my technical drawing that 159 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,799 shows you what this thing looks like. If you look at the upper right 160 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,840 hand corner, I've cut back the skin and now you can see the central 161 00:13:13,919 --> 00:13:16,720 column that rose from the bottom all the way to the top. And this 162 00:13:16,759 --> 00:13:20,399 thing was three feet in diameter. That's the diameter of the central column. 163 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:26,879 Looking in the craft, it appeared to be aniseptically sterile. There were no 164 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:31,159 display screens, there were no seats, no nothing. Now I want to 165 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:35,759 bring your attention to this little red dot on the front window here, and 166 00:13:35,799 --> 00:13:41,120 this is the attempted point of entry that these lab CO technicians. According to 167 00:13:41,159 --> 00:13:46,360 this military source, they were using a diamond tip drill but trying to breach 168 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:50,559 this glass pane window, if you want to call it that. If that's 169 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,480 what it was, they could not get in. So let's take everything we 170 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:58,039 do that we have from the sketch from the original eyewitness and this is my 171 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:03,960 first past illustration of what this thing may look like. And then this is 172 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,720 my friend Joseph Raithie did a good job doing a nice colorized version of this. 173 00:14:07,759 --> 00:14:11,000 And if you look on the right hand corner, we pulled back the 174 00:14:11,039 --> 00:14:15,879 skin. Now you can see inside here, and they're using these diamond tip 175 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:20,840 drill bits to get inside these craft and they can't do it. They're desperately 176 00:14:20,919 --> 00:14:26,720 trying to reverse engineer the metallurgical technology and apply it to the aerospace industry. 177 00:14:26,759 --> 00:14:31,840 That's clearly what they're doing, and that's one reason why they totally canceled this 178 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:37,919 whole UAP legislation. That's definitely one reason why for sure. So here is 179 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,679 the drawing by Rudy that gives you an idea. So we've got the private 180 00:14:41,679 --> 00:14:46,200 and records management. We have his NP friend that he met when he was 181 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:50,799 delivering a letter to one of these higher ups at right Field, Dayton, 182 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,679 Ohio, back in nineteen forty six. And this guy said, you know 183 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,960 what, I got something I want to show you. So he brings him 184 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:00,519 in this hangar. They go to this far area in the back of the 185 00:15:00,519 --> 00:15:03,519 hanger, and this craft is sitting on the concrete floor of the hangar. 186 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:09,240 There's a toolbox in the foreground. It has an electric drill off to the 187 00:15:09,279 --> 00:15:13,080 left with a diamond tip drill bit. There's a folded up tarp off to 188 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,799 the right hand bottom section, and he's just looking at this thing. He 189 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:22,039 can't believe what he's seeing. So I told my friend Joseph Raight, Okay, 190 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:28,799 we've got to do a color illustration putting together everything from Rudy's sketch right 191 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:33,080 here, putting everything together from the original sketch, from the eyewitness report, 192 00:15:33,159 --> 00:15:37,360 from his two page report. All is put together, and let's see if 193 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:41,919 we can get there as though we were actually there. And so here's what 194 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:46,320 we came up with. This is the closest approximation that we could get something 195 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:50,240 that looks similar to this, and it may still be there, or they 196 00:15:50,279 --> 00:15:54,240 may have moved the assets underground or do another location. But back in forty 197 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:58,799 six, this is what these military sources are telling us. That's their next 198 00:15:58,799 --> 00:16:03,679 one. Papagos Indian Reservation west of Globe, Arizona, nineteen forty seven. 199 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:08,799 And this is north of Superstition Mountains. The witness served in the US Navy 200 00:16:08,879 --> 00:16:12,240 during World War Two. And this is page ninety three from the book that 201 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:18,039 I already talked about. It's case A ten and let's go to the drawing 202 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:22,559 by Routy here. So these two men are going down this unimproved area. 203 00:16:22,919 --> 00:16:26,960 It's this desert terrain. If you've been anywhere around the Superstition Mountains, you 204 00:16:26,039 --> 00:16:33,200 know it's pretty desolate there. And they come across these two MP's with carbides 205 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,639 and they're challenge. They're not allowed to go any further. About another fifty 206 00:16:37,679 --> 00:16:41,679 foot off to the left, augured in at about a forty degree angle, 207 00:16:41,799 --> 00:16:45,919 is this thirty foot diamond or dish shaped craft has a dome on top. 208 00:16:45,399 --> 00:16:51,120 It has these two rims wrapped around the utter circumference. There is these indented 209 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:56,240 sections wrapped around and they're challenged about this and they're told to evacuate the area 210 00:16:56,360 --> 00:17:00,720 immediately. But they did get a good look at this thing. And I've 211 00:17:00,759 --> 00:17:04,880 provided the page numbers so you can read about the reference. But now let's 212 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:10,279 take this sketch and let's go to a full color rendering. And this is 213 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,759 what my friend Joel Payne came up with. I want to give him credit 214 00:17:12,759 --> 00:17:18,799 for this. And you can see this military operation ongoing. It's nineteen forty 215 00:17:18,799 --> 00:17:23,680 seven. We haven't even made it to Roswell yet. Actually, so we're 216 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:29,000 already two in, and if we factor in Cape Gerard, we're three in. 217 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:33,880 And if we factor in nineteen forty two Bettle Los Angeles, now we're 218 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,640 looking at four to five craft they've already recovered. And this is before Roswell, 219 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:42,480 so we're at least five retrieval cases in and we haven't even made it 220 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,799 to Roswell yet. Okay, so let's keep on going. Here. White 221 00:17:45,839 --> 00:17:49,920 Sands Missile Range, July fourth, nineteen forty seven. So now we're finally 222 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:55,799 here. We're finally here. This is a US Army Air Force Technical Sergeant, 223 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:00,359 page one ninety six in the book. Now, I've got the White 224 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,240 Sands perimeter shown on this map here, and I want to stress that this 225 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:08,599 entire retrieval operation took place at night. And here is Ruby's drawing. This 226 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:12,119 thing was about one hundred and fifty feet in diameter when it came down. 227 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:17,160 They had this military convoy go over to this thing. It was kind of 228 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:21,920 tipped off on an angle, somewhat buried in the sand, and they brought 229 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:26,039 in light alls, they brought in spot lights, they brought in high intensity 230 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:30,400 lights. They had people with Geiger counters, they had people with still cameras, 231 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,440 they had motion picture film reels rolling, and this is all at night. 232 00:18:34,519 --> 00:18:40,079 They've got this Martin, they have got the craft, and they've got 233 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:45,160 the motion picture film reel. They've got the still camera photography, probably eight 234 00:18:45,279 --> 00:18:49,319 x ten black and white glossy photographs. So they've got it. The question 235 00:18:49,519 --> 00:18:56,160 is, can our senators and our congressmen do they have a high enough security 236 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:00,720 clearance at a need to know to get access to this information. That's where 237 00:19:00,799 --> 00:19:03,319 this brick wall keeps on coming up here, all right, So let's see 238 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:08,440 if we can make this into a nice full color rendering. This is one 239 00:19:08,519 --> 00:19:11,960 quick question for you, Michael, go ahead, And a situation like this, 240 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:17,839 if they actually recover something that's like one hundred or one hundred and fifty 241 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:22,519 foint wide, how could they possibly transport something like that? Okay, two 242 00:19:22,559 --> 00:19:25,920 things. Number One. In some of these cases, they find out that 243 00:19:26,799 --> 00:19:32,880 these things disassemble in pie segments, and they put the pie pieces on M 244 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,799 one twenty three tank transporters and they move it over to the base. That's 245 00:19:36,839 --> 00:19:40,920 one way they can do it. That has happened in another number of different 246 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:47,920 retrieval operations, including nineteen forty eight as Tech New Mexico. Okay, so 247 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:51,119 on this one, you can see the lights, you can see the tents 248 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:52,960 in the background. Here off to the right, you can see the motion 249 00:19:53,039 --> 00:19:57,440 picture film reel. We've got people with Geiger counters. And so another thing 250 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:03,319 too is when these things get to be too big, the logistics of moving 251 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:07,519 them are just too much. And Martin, as you know, they bury 252 00:20:07,599 --> 00:20:11,359 these at the site. And that's happened multiple times as well. So this 253 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:15,559 is nineteen forty seven White Sands Missile Range. And let's move on here. 254 00:20:15,799 --> 00:20:19,440 We kind of talked about here an actionable item. Since still photography and a 255 00:20:19,519 --> 00:20:25,559 motion picture film was recorded of this event, Senators and congressmen with the appropriate 256 00:20:25,599 --> 00:20:30,160 security clearances should track down and utilize this evidence for future public hearings. Yeah, 257 00:20:30,559 --> 00:20:36,759 needs to happen. Next one UFO Crash Retrievals nineteen forty seven seen at 258 00:20:36,799 --> 00:20:41,839 a warehouse at Berkeley University. Of all places, Albert Bruce Collins, now 259 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:47,839 deceased, he's the primary witness on this case. He was a metallurgical engineer. 260 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,880 And this is the UFO Crash Retrieval's page one ninety seven. So here 261 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:55,880 we've got this engineer. He's at the right place at the right time. 262 00:20:56,319 --> 00:21:03,519 This eighteen wheeler trector trailer low boy backs in to this warehouse at Berkeley, 263 00:21:03,599 --> 00:21:06,799 and this guy is I can't believe I'm seeing this here, And this is 264 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,440 what he is seeing. According to the witness here, this was a thirty 265 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:14,839 foot long egg shaped craft. It was fifteen feet high. It had a 266 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,319 crack in it, so it looked like a cracked egg. And you could 267 00:21:17,319 --> 00:21:22,480 see the interior yoke which was three feet in diameter off to the forward section 268 00:21:22,559 --> 00:21:26,200 of this cracked egg. It looked like they had a composite panel, and 269 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:30,440 then there was another composite panel that wrapped around the outer circumference of this yoke, 270 00:21:30,559 --> 00:21:33,519 and then off to the right there was the shrapnel, like there was 271 00:21:33,559 --> 00:21:40,359 an internal implosion and it kicked out this debris. So here's a couple of 272 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:45,960 questions. Number one, first question is is this the entire craft itself or 273 00:21:47,079 --> 00:21:51,640 is this the propulsion system for something much larger. If this thing is already 274 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,640 thirty feet in diameter or thirty feet across, what could this be powering? 275 00:21:56,079 --> 00:21:59,880 Where did they get this thing? It could go to something much larger or 276 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,599 could be the actual craft itself. And then the other thing is he talked 277 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:07,519 about being involved in the debris, so obviously they had samples. They had 278 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:14,720 probably smaller samples, maybe three inches by six inches something like that, something 279 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:19,680 more manageable. Can we get access to some of that debris for analysis by 280 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,440 the scientific community. Is that even possible. It's going to be hard to 281 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,680 get this aid, but maybe we could get a piece of the debris be 282 00:22:27,839 --> 00:22:33,200 much easier to get. And so here is our full color rendering by Joel 283 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,000 Payne, just to give you an idea of what this retrieval operation is looking 284 00:22:37,079 --> 00:22:41,799 like here. So now we're five and six in we're at the Roswell timeframe, 285 00:22:41,839 --> 00:22:47,200 and you can see that the body count goes up, the craft count 286 00:22:47,279 --> 00:22:51,559 goes up, the debris that they have goes up, and it's being farmed 287 00:22:51,599 --> 00:22:56,359 out to defense contractors, to different universities all around the country. And the 288 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:03,079 deal that they've cut with the government here is they made a deal with the 289 00:23:03,079 --> 00:23:07,839 contractors and they said, I don't care what you do. You can commercialize 290 00:23:07,839 --> 00:23:10,640 this, you can profit from it. I don't care what you have to 291 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:17,960 do, but we want to exploit the technology and propulsion systems for weapons advancement 292 00:23:18,039 --> 00:23:21,200 like they always do. That's absolutely one reason why. So you can see 293 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:25,480 this dirty deal that the government cut with the defense contractors. Okay, next 294 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:30,319 one Fort Polk, Louisiana, Summer nineteen fifty three, Private in the Army. 295 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,480 This is case a one page eighty very good case. Here's what this 296 00:23:34,519 --> 00:23:37,559 thing looked like. It's a very similar egg that we already talked about here, 297 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:42,680 egg shaped craft thirty feet across. It had what looked like a fin 298 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:47,480 that was wrapping around the outer portion of it. It was still rotating when 299 00:23:47,519 --> 00:23:49,880 the retrieval team got there. Now, when they got there, it had 300 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:55,160 this kind of burnt red embers on the ground. They were still hot, 301 00:23:55,200 --> 00:24:00,279 they were still warm. And what they ended up doing is they were at 302 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:07,279 least two military you could call them ambulance type medical personnel. They were assisting 303 00:24:07,559 --> 00:24:11,599 three et beings coming out of the craft from this hatchway. One of them 304 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,759 had already been carried out on a stretcher. And in the report that you 305 00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:18,839 can read if you get this book, it says that the three comrades were 306 00:24:18,839 --> 00:24:23,240 trying to establish communication with their fallen comrade who was being carried off to the 307 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:27,160 ambulance truck. Here. These things were three and a half to four feet 308 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:32,000 tall. They had oversized head, they had oversized eyes, They had a 309 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,359 slit for a moth, They had a minute nose. They were wearing a 310 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,960 one piece type fitting flight suit. They had a helmet on. And then 311 00:24:38,079 --> 00:24:41,039 Martin, and I'm not making this up. This is in the report it 312 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,079 said that they were wearing mittens. And then it also said that they had 313 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:51,960 no knee joints, so when they were walking across this terrain, they were 314 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:56,480 walking with only their hip joints. It was this staggered, bizarre type way 315 00:24:56,519 --> 00:25:00,480 to walk. But that's what this report talks about here. So here is 316 00:25:00,519 --> 00:25:03,559 my friend Joseph Rape. This is his full color rendering, just to give 317 00:25:03,599 --> 00:25:07,359 an idea what the scene might look like. You can kind of see on 318 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:12,240 the ground. It's got this red, burnished dirt type appearance. You can 319 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,759 see the hatchway open up. Now I want to zoom in here so we 320 00:25:15,759 --> 00:25:19,079 can get a little bit better look here. Now you can see these ets 321 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:25,000 coming out the crap being assisted by the medical personnel. And then we'll move 322 00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:26,279 on to the next one. Here. This gives you an idea of what 323 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,839 this stretcher scene might look like, carrying him off to the ambulance truck. 324 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,160 And this is a little bit of a blow up here, But this whole 325 00:25:34,519 --> 00:25:41,960 concept of these one piece type fitting flight suits that are fully integrated almost into 326 00:25:42,039 --> 00:25:47,279 the skin of the beings themselves, that keeps popping up again and again. 327 00:25:47,319 --> 00:25:51,599 An interesting technology here. Okay, right, Patterson Air Force Base in nineteen 328 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:56,960 fifty three. This is an Army Reserves warrant officer. We have his name. 329 00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:00,880 His name is Michael Olviy. This really is the final curtain call on 330 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,400 disclosure. Now we're at this point now where we need to make a critical 331 00:26:06,759 --> 00:26:12,440 management decision, because if we don't get this information out there, this is 332 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:17,000 going to pass like two ships in the night and we're never going to get 333 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,119 to the bottom all of all this. So this really is the final curtain 334 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,079 call. We've got to come together, we've got to make a management decision, 335 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:29,920 and we've got to identify these surviving witnesses so that they can come forward, 336 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,480 we can find their bosses that will bring us to the debris, the 337 00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:37,799 craft and the body. So this is nineteen fifty three, page fifteen, 338 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:45,039 Abstract number eight. So the scene here is a four engine cargo aircraft lands 339 00:26:45,079 --> 00:26:48,440 at night at right Patterson Air Force Base, and I believe it may have 340 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,240 been this hangar complex here number four. I don't know for sure. It 341 00:26:52,279 --> 00:26:56,400 didn't say it just said a hanger at right Patterson Air Force Base, and 342 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,000 it might be this last one bee I've actually in that hanger. This is 343 00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:07,400 a photograph of that hangar, And so you've got this DC seven cargo ship 344 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:12,839 and the picture of the scene taking place inside a hanger. So the four 345 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:17,720 engine DC seven taxis onto the taramac it goes into the hangar, The hanger 346 00:27:17,839 --> 00:27:22,279 bay door shut and there's a port aft cargo bay door that opens up, 347 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,880 and then they bring a forklift and they bring these crates down Martin, and 348 00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:30,640 inside this hangar, this ward officer is looking at this whole scene. He's 349 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:36,279 close enough to see as these forks come down, there's three wooden crates on 350 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,039 top with their lids off. And he looked over inside. I'm going to 351 00:27:40,039 --> 00:27:45,200 take you inside this hangar now, and he sees three bodies. They're three 352 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,680 and a half feet long. They're wearing a one piece, tight fitting flight 353 00:27:48,759 --> 00:27:52,240 suit. They have an oversized head, they have oversized eyes. One of 354 00:27:52,279 --> 00:27:57,359 them was female. They were all being supported off of the wooden crates with 355 00:27:57,519 --> 00:28:03,599 this white netting that protected it from the dry ice freezer burn below. And 356 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,799 you know he's watching all this. He's looking at this. He's got a 357 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:12,039 close enough view on all this. He later learned about the debris that came 358 00:28:12,079 --> 00:28:15,160 from the crash retrieval operation. And what I want to do now is I 359 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,880 want to take you to the full color illustration as though we were actually there 360 00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:23,839 by my friend Joseph Raith, and this is what it looks like. Here 361 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,559 the best approximation that we could put together of what we're talking about here. 362 00:28:30,599 --> 00:28:37,319 I mean, it's just staggering the implications of what this means. They're keeping 363 00:28:37,319 --> 00:28:41,640 this information from the general public, from America, from all around the world. 364 00:28:42,319 --> 00:28:45,880 Can we handle this truth? I think at this point we can. 365 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,319 We're going to examine this concept here. Now, let's do a top view 366 00:28:51,359 --> 00:28:56,519 looking down. He did say that one of them had breasts, so it 367 00:28:56,599 --> 00:29:00,680 was his assumption that at least one of these was female. We're wearing this 368 00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:04,480 one piece tight fitting flights that we've heard again and again that keeps on popping 369 00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:08,640 up. So this is nineteen fifty three Wright Patterson Air Force Base. All 370 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,160 right, let's go to the next one here, This is one just a 371 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:17,960 second there, it looked like they had apposable opposable thumbs. Yeah in this 372 00:29:18,039 --> 00:29:23,359 case, yes, yeah, yeah. A question for you is I was 373 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:30,039 just thinking about my audio listeners, because I have a vast audio audience, 374 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,839 and the only thing I can think to say is to go into the show 375 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:38,359 notes and breeze through the video that we'll be in the show notes. But 376 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,359 I just wanted to get that out there because to see all these illustrations are 377 00:29:42,359 --> 00:29:45,759 really nicely done. Thank you, well, I can't take credit for it. 378 00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:51,519 At all, it's a United Coalition here. Next one Walker Air Force 379 00:29:51,559 --> 00:29:56,400 based New Mexico, April twelfth, nineteen fifty four. Served in the Air 380 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,519 Force nineteen fifty four to nineteen fifty five. That's our source here on page 381 00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:03,960 eighty two. So if you want more information, it's on page eighty two 382 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,160 of the book. Now I want to keep this in mind. Walker Air 383 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:14,799 Force Base used to be Roswell Army Airfield back in nineteen forty seven. It 384 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:19,160 later became Walker Air Force Base, so essentially we're talking about the same place 385 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,799 here. So this is nineteen fifty four, and this particular witness he was 386 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:29,720 told to board an H nineteen helicopter like right now. So he jumps in 387 00:30:29,799 --> 00:30:33,720 this helicopter. This is at night. They take off, they head northbound, 388 00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:37,519 they make a left hand turn. Now they're heading northwest toward Corona, 389 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,680 like where the original crash was back in July nineteen forty seven. So they're 390 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:47,079 hovering over this scene and on the starboard side of the helicopter, which is 391 00:30:47,119 --> 00:30:51,640 on the far side, he opens up this bay door and he's looking down 392 00:30:51,799 --> 00:30:53,839 at the scene. And what does he see. He sees this. This 393 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,960 is a forty to fifty foot diameter, dish shaped craft. They have a 394 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,240 spotlight shining on it. He has a handheld camera. He's taking photographs of 395 00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:08,680 this. So they've got those photos and he's just shocked in total awe about 396 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:15,359 what he's seeing. They eventually land a helicopter where this craft was and Martin. 397 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,680 The very first thing that this gentleman noticed, he said that the whole 398 00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:26,839 surrounding localized area smelled like automobile battery acid. That's the first thing that he 399 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:32,960 noticed. And then they noticed that there absolutely were four small et bodies next 400 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,440 to the craft. There was an entryway hatch door that was opened up. 401 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,240 They got inside, they looked inside, there were two more bodies, so 402 00:31:38,279 --> 00:31:44,440 they had six bodies with this retrieval operation. There were lights around the outer 403 00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:48,240 circumference of the craft. They were still rotating when they got to the scene. 404 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,440 So let's go to the next color slide here by Joel, just to 405 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,680 give people an idea of what this thing looks like. So again, this 406 00:31:55,720 --> 00:32:00,519 thing is approximately fifty feet in diameter. They're hovering over this thing, and 407 00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:04,920 again, this body count just keeps on going up. As these years progress, 408 00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:08,880 the craft count goes up, the body count goes up, and early 409 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:15,559 on in the forties and fifties, it definitely appears that all roads lead to 410 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,240 Rome, but in this case all roads lead to right Patterson Air Force Base. 411 00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:24,319 But later on there does appear to be some good evidence that they started 412 00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:31,599 diversifying their portfolio and these assets started being shipped to other locations like Eglin Air 413 00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:37,000 Force Base, McDill Air Force Base, Edwards Air Force Base. Just three 414 00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:43,200 examples, okay, Next one December nineteen sixty three. Cherry Point, North 415 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,839 Carolina, US Marine Roy Baker, that's his name. This is page one 416 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:52,480 FIO from the bout case two. Now, in this case, he is 417 00:32:52,759 --> 00:32:55,799 stationed at this Cherry Point facility here, and I've got the map that shows 418 00:32:55,839 --> 00:33:00,200 you where this is. This is just a little bit north of Havelock, 419 00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:05,839 North Carolina. And so he boards a plane with blacked out windows. He 420 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,599 flies three hours by plane from Cherry Point, North Carolina too in the location 421 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:15,119 that he wasn't told about. And when he got there, they opened up 422 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:22,160 these hangar doors. He looked inside and he saw this. This was propped 423 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,799 up on scaffolding. There's a forty foot diameter Hamburger shaped UFO. It was 424 00:33:25,839 --> 00:33:31,240 fifteen feet high. It had nine elliptically shaped windows wrapped around the outer circumference 425 00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:35,799 of the craft itself. They were opake, so you really couldn't look inside. 426 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,839 There was a one inch lip between the outer skin of the craft itself 427 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:45,279 and the outer portion of these opate windows. It was chrome polish aluminum exterior 428 00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:52,759 finish. Really no seams, no visible means of propulsion, no socket, 429 00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:55,839 had capscrews, no rivets, no, nothing like that. Now, he 430 00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:02,279 did say that there was just a very tiny hint of a seam, if 431 00:34:02,279 --> 00:34:05,759 you could call it. That. You could not put a razor blade in 432 00:34:05,799 --> 00:34:08,280 there. And what they were doing in this case is they were taking a 433 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:12,920 diamond tip drill bit and they were trying to pierce into the skin of the 434 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,400 craft and they couldn't do it. So this is the second time we've heard 435 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:21,480 about this. Now Here is Joseph Race's illustration that shows you all of these 436 00:34:21,559 --> 00:34:24,800 red dots are the attempted points of entry. So they were trying to drill 437 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:29,679 into where the seams were and it didn't work. Okay, So let's move 438 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,800 to the next one here, and these are the three avenues that they used. 439 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,199 Number one was a diamond tip drill bit that completely failed. Then they 440 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,840 tried in a settling torch that didn't work, and then the final opportunity was 441 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,679 a laser and that didn't work either. So you can see here what they've 442 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:50,760 been trying to do over the last you could call it seventy years, that's 443 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:58,079 minimum seventy years, as they've been desperately trying to reverse engineer the metallurgical technology 444 00:34:58,199 --> 00:35:04,440 associated with these vehicles and implement them into our aerospace assets like stealth fighter, 445 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,559 stealth bombers and things that they don't even talk about. That's what they're trying 446 00:35:07,639 --> 00:35:10,800 to do. There's no question about that. Now. I want to bring 447 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:16,000 this to your attention, Martin. This drawing here, this is a sketch 448 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:22,039 by the marine himself. This is not a copy, This is not someone 449 00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:27,920 else's drawing. This is absolutely the gentleman who actually guarded this thing for two 450 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,320 weeks at this location. I'm going to break this down so you can see 451 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:35,400 here the craft is supported by this scaffolding. It's a rough sketch, but 452 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,719 it's got some good things here. There's two entryway points. There's one on 453 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,039 the left, there's one on the right. They have a catwalk where you 454 00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:44,119 can walk around this whole thing. You could walk under this thing because it 455 00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:47,599 was propped off all off the hangar floor by about five feet. On the 456 00:35:47,679 --> 00:35:52,159 upper left and right hand corners, you've got these lights, and he said 457 00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:58,760 that they had this thing extremely excruciatingly well lit. There were no shadows in 458 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,840 here. So that's one thing you want to do is when you have a 459 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:06,920 retrieval operation and you're trying to reverse engineer the technology of these things, you 460 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,559 want to have a very well lit area. Now, if you look on 461 00:36:09,639 --> 00:36:14,320 the bottom of the craft, you've got these black sections. Those are the 462 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:19,800 pads that were used to support this craft on the scaffolding. And then if 463 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,760 you look at to the second to the last window, that is one of 464 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:28,199 these entryway points that tried to drill with a diamond drill bit and it failed. 465 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:34,400 So let's go to Michael Johnstone's drawing. This was done in nineteen eighty 466 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:39,199 six. He interviewed Roy Baker back in nineteen eighty six. So this is 467 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,840 a little bit more of a refined drawing now. And if you look to 468 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:47,320 the left hand side of this craft where the window is, you can kind 469 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,880 of see this one inch slip. It's a little bit exaggerated in this drawing, 470 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,119 but there was a one inch slip between the outer skin of the craft 471 00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:59,400 itself and the outer portion of these opaque windows. So let's go to the 472 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:04,119 cleaned up drawing here, and now you can see how this thing comes into 473 00:37:04,199 --> 00:37:07,039 view. I did a little bit of a detailed drawing that shows you this 474 00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:12,000 lip here. We've got a five foot dimension that it's being propped up on 475 00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:15,719 the scaffolding off the floor, and just going to go over a couple of 476 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:21,519 these bullet items. Number one, there was a white circle taped to the 477 00:37:21,559 --> 00:37:27,519 floor directly below this craft that no one was allowed to enter. So you're 478 00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:30,239 talking about, you know, maybe someone came over here, there was a 479 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:35,360 high up congressman or senator. If they went beyond that white circle, this 480 00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:39,599 marine was told to shoot first and ask questions later. A couple other bullet 481 00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:44,719 points here. A team of between twenty to fifty engineers examined the craft but 482 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:49,320 were unable to gain access to it. The window and the craft were indented 483 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,599 toward the interior. That's what we have with this detailed drawing here. Now 484 00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:57,119 let's go to the next one here. This is by Joseph Raith now we 485 00:37:57,159 --> 00:38:00,239 can kind of see what we're actually dealing with here. This is probably the 486 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,119 best we're going to get. It's not going to get much better that This 487 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,519 is like the best illustration that we can get, and you can see these 488 00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:12,360 lab coat technicians. You've got the scaffolding, you've got the catwalk. That's 489 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,800 talked about and we're going to talk a little bit later is they had a 490 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:20,519 color code badging system, so if you had a yellow badge, you could 491 00:38:20,559 --> 00:38:22,880 go here. If you had a green badge, you had access to one 492 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,440 location but not the other location. If you had a red badge, you 493 00:38:27,519 --> 00:38:30,880 had access to the entire facility. So we'll talk about that a little bit 494 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:35,400 later here. Now, this was the first pass color illustration, and you 495 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:40,840 can see here when they failed with the settling torch. The report says that 496 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:47,599 they brought in two tractor trailers with these electrical generating devices on them. They 497 00:38:47,679 --> 00:38:52,440 led these heavy gauge cables into the hangar and they were shining a laser on 498 00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:57,280 the side of the craft to get inside. And when they moved the laser 499 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,480 away, it was warm to the touch but had no effect of the craft 500 00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:04,599 itself. The kind of material that you want our stealth fighters to be using. 501 00:39:05,159 --> 00:39:07,280 Okay, next one, Now, Martin, what I want to do 502 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:12,760 now is I want to take you inside this facility like we are a fly, 503 00:39:13,199 --> 00:39:15,760 and we're going to penetrate this chain link fence and we're going to get 504 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:22,239 access to this classified, super secret facility here. And let's move a little 505 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,679 bit closer. Now we made it through this chain link fence, we're going 506 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:30,159 to start getting this whole thing into view. Now we're finally in the scene 507 00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:35,320 here. And remember this thing is approximately forty feet in diameter, approximately fifteen 508 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,840 feet tall. You've got the nine ealyptically shaped windows you can see here. 509 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:44,840 There's this white circle that's taped to the floor. You've got military personnel, 510 00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:49,239 you've got some suitors here, you've got the white lab coat technicians. And 511 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,920 anyone who is not authorized to enter that circle was shot right on the spot, 512 00:39:54,039 --> 00:39:58,159 no question about it. Okay. So we're a little bit lower than 513 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,719 eye level. Now, you've got some SPOO groups involved in this whole operation. 514 00:40:01,559 --> 00:40:05,960 And like I said before, we're already five six, seven eight into 515 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,119 this already, and these craft count just keep on going higher. Now you 516 00:40:09,159 --> 00:40:13,800 can kind of see these elliptical shaped windows you can sort of see the one 517 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,400 inchlip. Now we've exaggerated these seams in here so that you can just get 518 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:22,119 an idea of what these seams look like. This is approximately a forty five 519 00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:27,440 degree looked down angle. This is all coming into view here, very well 520 00:40:27,639 --> 00:40:32,800 lit area. And I'm sure that they have duplicated this scene multiple times. 521 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:37,719 Like they've got scaffolding, they've got a catwalk, they prop these things off 522 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:43,159 the hangar floor, and this happens again and again. And I questioned on 523 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:50,880 this one in particular, was there ever any talk on how this thing was 524 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,519 downed in the first place? Nope? And where where it was? That 525 00:40:53,639 --> 00:40:58,559 was no mention of that by Roy Baker. Nope. He was never briefed 526 00:40:58,559 --> 00:41:02,039 on that. His job was to guard this thing for a period of two 527 00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:07,880 weeks in December nineteen sixty three. This is this is literally days and a 528 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:12,960 week and a half or two weeks after the Kennedy assassination November twenty second, 529 00:41:13,039 --> 00:41:15,519 nineteen sixty three. So no, he was never told how they got it, 530 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,239 and he was never told where it went when it left. Yeah, 531 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,320 that was the next question. Yeah, the thing the thing that people always 532 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:29,119 uh, you know, I always hear people people's opinions. I'm sure you 533 00:41:29,159 --> 00:41:32,480 hear this too. How could these things get here? And why would they 534 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,639 crash here if they can get here? From you know, I mean, 535 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,519 it's only opinions, but I mean, it just seems like there's a lot 536 00:41:39,559 --> 00:41:44,960 more than I was ever aware of that reported crashes. I agree with you 537 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,440 and that we can make a very good case that in a lot of these 538 00:41:49,519 --> 00:41:55,440 instances there's a roague group within the military industrial complex who was targeting, tracking, 539 00:41:55,519 --> 00:42:01,719 and shooting these things down for military weapons applications. They're trying to reverse 540 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:07,639 engineer the metallurgical technologies, the propulsion systems, and the free energy systems associated 541 00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:13,760 with these vehicles. That is appearing what's going on here, That's what we 542 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,599 seem the evidence is leading to that conclusion. Now, on the last day 543 00:42:17,639 --> 00:42:22,480 that he was there, he said that they were taking this craft off the 544 00:42:22,519 --> 00:42:28,519 scaffolding they had built kind of this cradle system. They were putting it on 545 00:42:28,559 --> 00:42:32,760 an eighteen wheeler tractor trailer lowboid truck. They dropped it down on this trailer 546 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:37,440 and then they put tarps over it, chains over that and then moving it 547 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:42,400 to the next location. So now we're beginning this tarping operation, and they 548 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,079 have a cradle system here. Let's start showing these tarps going over. So 549 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:52,719 now we've got approximately fifty percent of the craft covered by this tarp. We're 550 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,559 fully tarped up. At this time, we're getting ready to ship out. 551 00:42:55,159 --> 00:43:00,840 And after the two weeks were over, this was like the last time you 552 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,920 ever saw this thing. It was being moved to the next location. So 553 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,719 now it's completely out of the facility and they're moving it to the next location. 554 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,719 So the two ways that they keep a lot of this secret is number 555 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:16,000 One, they compartmentalize this. No one person knows all of it because they 556 00:43:16,079 --> 00:43:21,440 keep compartmentalizing all of this. And number two, as they move these assets 557 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:25,639 from location to location, and they don't spend any long duration at anyone location. 558 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:30,760 Now, maybe there's something that's been here for a while, but early 559 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:36,199 on in these crash retrieval operations, early on they kept moving these things so 560 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,159 that no one could actually get tabs on here. All right, So this 561 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,920 was Rudy's drawing. This was our first past drawing, just to give an 562 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:45,679 idea of what it looked like as they were shipping this thing out here. 563 00:43:46,159 --> 00:43:52,840 Now I want to mention this marine Broy Baker, and I hope he's still 564 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,159 alive. He said that when they brought the laser over to the side of 565 00:43:57,159 --> 00:44:01,199 the craft and they turned this laser on, it bounced off, reflected and 566 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:07,280 damaged a ceiling tile over in this facility. He talks about this in great 567 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:13,199 detail. Here's the incident right here. It actually damaged this ceiling tile. 568 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,800 Here's how in nineteen sixty three do we have that? Did we have the 569 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:22,840 really good laser? That is the date. That is the date, and 570 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:28,199 I've heard of this before. I'm going strictly by what this marine had stated, 571 00:44:28,519 --> 00:44:35,119 and the date is December nineteen sixty three. They were in their infancy 572 00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:40,639 timeframe. But apparently we did have some laser technology in sixty three. I 573 00:44:40,679 --> 00:44:46,039 don't know the intensity, but at the very least that is adhering to the 574 00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:51,639 correct date according to the marine. Here here's his sketch on this very incident, 575 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,239 and you can see the reflection off and then the damage to the upper 576 00:44:54,480 --> 00:45:00,400 section of the ceiling tile. Here. Now here's these color coded badges off 577 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,800 to the left, and these are all the white lab coat technicians. Green 578 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:07,679 badge gave you access to this part of the facility, but not this other 579 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,559 part. Yellow badge. You could go maybe off to the left of the 580 00:45:10,599 --> 00:45:14,920 craft, or you could go under the craft. Rad badge gave you complete 581 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:19,960 access to the entire facility. So he definitely mentioned in the notes that I 582 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,679 got from Michael Johnstone about three pages of detailed handwritten notes about this whole operation. 583 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:28,519 He talked about the color coded badges, he talked about the laser, 584 00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:31,280 he talked about the scaffolding. All of this is within the original notes. 585 00:45:31,639 --> 00:45:37,119 Now, he did say that when he was guarding this craft for period of 586 00:45:37,199 --> 00:45:43,679 two weeks, and his job was to basically shake down people who would go 587 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,440 into this because he was guarding this whole area. But there was one time 588 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,639 where no one really checked him. So he got into this facility alone with 589 00:45:52,679 --> 00:45:58,199 a mineox camera and he took a photograph of this thing. This is his 590 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,719 direct quote. Someday I will tell this story, and by God, people 591 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:07,719 are going to believe me. But unfortunately, Martin, that photograph was lost 592 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:12,000 in a flood back in nineteen eighty three. So you know, we were 593 00:46:12,039 --> 00:46:15,280 this close of getting a good piece of evidence, but it got snapped right 594 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,760 out of our hands. And this keeps on happening again and again. So 595 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,360 I talked to my friend Joseph. I said, Joseph, let's see if 596 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:29,519 we could do a replica of what this minox camera would have looked like if 597 00:46:29,519 --> 00:46:32,480 we were there. And this is what he came up with. So it's 598 00:46:32,519 --> 00:46:37,079 got this gray brown tone to it. It's a little bit fuzzy, out 599 00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:42,760 of focus, but this is the best representation that we could put forward based 600 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,840 on the timeframe, the type of camera, you know, perhaps the lighting, 601 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,599 but this is the best that we could come up with a replica. 602 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,800 Now, he did say this is according to the marine who was there and 603 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:57,840 guarded this thing. He said that there was a secretary of the Navy who 604 00:46:58,159 --> 00:47:01,519 just about walked across that tape circle on the floor and he almost got shot. 605 00:47:02,159 --> 00:47:07,119 So obviously I started digging, and I looked at the date December nineteen 606 00:47:07,159 --> 00:47:09,880 sixty three. Who was the secretary of the Navy back in December nineteen sixty 607 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:14,880 three, Well, it's this gentleman Paul Knits. He would have been the 608 00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:19,119 one. I can't guarantee at one hundred percent, but he did say it 609 00:47:19,159 --> 00:47:22,280 was the secretary of the Navy, So it would have been this gentleman that 610 00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:27,079 would have been in the facility. He would have saw this. He probably 611 00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:29,760 had a need to know about some part of it, but not all of 612 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,000 it, and that's why he almost got shot. So that's another gentleman. 613 00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:38,159 Now, four star Major General Melvin F. Mcnicholl, he plays an interesting 614 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:44,079 part of this whole story here. He was base Commander Tinker Air Force based 615 00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:50,199 Oklahoma, and I've got his obituary here. Ex Tinker Commander Melvin McNichol, 616 00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,920 dies Daily, Oklahoma and July eleventh, nineteen eighty six. Now why am 617 00:47:54,920 --> 00:48:00,159 I bringing this up, Martin? Why am I switching gears to this tek 618 00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:06,440 your Air Force base guy? Well, it turns out that this general is 619 00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:13,039 very good friends or was very good friends with Charlotte Mann Charlotte Man Cape Girarda. 620 00:48:13,159 --> 00:48:15,920 People who follow this whole thing know who this Charlotte Man is. She 621 00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:21,159 gave a lecture five and a half years ago at IUFO C in Phoenix. 622 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,440 She talked about I was there. Yeah, well you were there. Okay, 623 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,880 you were there? So did you see her there? Yeah? I 624 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,480 actually had her as a guest on my show as oh you did, Okay, 625 00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:34,880 well there you go, there you go. She held the photograph of 626 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:40,119 the et being propped up by farm personnel back in nineteen forty one in Cape 627 00:48:40,159 --> 00:48:45,559 Girartra. So she actually held that photograph. And she had a mutual interest 628 00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:49,920 with UFOs with Melvin McNicol, and they were friends and they both had this 629 00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:54,119 UFO interest. So she turns to the general and says, General, are 630 00:48:54,159 --> 00:48:57,599 you still my friend? You know, we've been friends all these years. 631 00:48:57,679 --> 00:49:00,840 We've got this interest in UFOs and you never told me any You never gave 632 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,199 me one little bone. I mean, are we still friends here? What's 633 00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,800 going on? So he turns to Charlotte and he says, Charlotte, if 634 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:12,960 you ever repeat what I'm about to tell you, not only will I deny 635 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,480 it, it could end my career. And this is what the General told 636 00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:21,039 Charlotte. Number one, he said he saw a UFO which was located in 637 00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:25,199 the west that tracks with the marine we just talked about. Because he said 638 00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:29,440 he was in Cherry Point, North Carolina. He bordered a plane with blackout 639 00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:34,440 windows and he flew three hours. That will put you within the west just 640 00:49:34,519 --> 00:49:37,559 barely. Number two, he said to Charlotte that he walked around a UFO 641 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:43,679 on a catwalk which was propped up by scaffolding. This is exactly what the 642 00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:49,320 marine had told Michael Johnstone. So now we got two pieces. Number three 643 00:49:49,639 --> 00:49:54,920 bodies were recovered and one was still alive. This marine at this facility back 644 00:49:54,920 --> 00:50:00,360 in nineteen sixty three. December nineteen sixty three, he overheard water cooler talk 645 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:06,000 by these lab coat technicians about bodies being recovered and one was still alive. 646 00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:08,960 And when I heard this from Charlotte, I said, I got it now, 647 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:16,440 because I knew this marine did not know this. I mean this general. 648 00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,519 I have a good feeling that he didn't know about this marine, and 649 00:50:20,599 --> 00:50:23,320 certainly Charlotte didn't know about this marine from nineteen sixty three. And when I 650 00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,519 heard that story, I said, Martin, I got it. Now. 651 00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:35,000 I can confirm this case because I have secondary independent confirmation basically describing the identical 652 00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:39,480 features. So I think we've got a real case here. Why would this 653 00:50:39,559 --> 00:50:44,880 marine lie? He talks about this in great detail, and this is verified 654 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:50,440 by this general here almost like the identical characteristics. Next one, we'll just 655 00:50:50,519 --> 00:50:53,760 keep on going here. Fort Riley, Kansas, December tenth, nineteen sixty 656 00:50:53,760 --> 00:51:00,559 four. Primary witness was First Division Aaron Quebec served in the infantry. This 657 00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:05,920 is crash retrievals, Page twenty four, Abstract twenty by Leonard Springfield. I'm 658 00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:07,920 going to go to the map here. This is Camp Foresight where this thing 659 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:13,800 came down. Our witness boarded this six by six troop transport with a couple 660 00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,679 other personnel. They go about a half a mile down this road. They're 661 00:51:16,679 --> 00:51:20,480 all torty. This is all at night. They're ordered to get out of 662 00:51:20,519 --> 00:51:24,280 the trailer of this vehicle. They start walking into this wide open area and 663 00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:30,119 there's a bell uh one helicopter criss crossing the screen this whole entire area with 664 00:51:30,199 --> 00:51:36,679 a spotlight shining down. And when they got there, this is what they 665 00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,440 saw. This is a forty eight foot diameter dish shaped craft. It had 666 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:45,440 these strange square box like structures that were jutting out from the outer circumference of 667 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:50,159 the craft itself. It was eighteen feet tall and had what looked like a 668 00:51:50,199 --> 00:51:53,000 fin that originated from the center and tapered back to the end part of the 669 00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:57,559 craft itself. Below that fin, Martin, there was what looked like an 670 00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:00,559 exhaust port. And I'm going to go to the full call rendering to give 671 00:52:00,599 --> 00:52:04,840 everybody an idea what this thing actually looks like. This is back in nineteen 672 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,440 sixty four. And then here's Ruby's drawing of what this scene looks like. 673 00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:13,159 Now you can see on the lower right hand corner there's a gentleman with a 674 00:52:13,199 --> 00:52:19,360 Geiger counter. This guard he actually was told to guard this thing overnight. 675 00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,960 He got a real good look at this thing up close. They had retrieval 676 00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:28,519 operation there other military personnel. So now what I want to do is I 677 00:52:28,519 --> 00:52:31,400 want to take it to the next level and let's go to the full color 678 00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:37,199 rendering to give an idea what this may have looked like. Now there you 679 00:52:37,199 --> 00:52:43,360 could call them MB black suitors at this facility military facility. You've got the 680 00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,679 UH one helicopter. Now you can see this finn on the f part of 681 00:52:46,679 --> 00:52:52,000 the craft. You can also see this exhaust port, and then if you 682 00:52:52,039 --> 00:52:54,360 look closely, you can see these box like structures that wrapped around the outer 683 00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:59,079 circumference of the craft. So I want to go to another illustration to give 684 00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:01,159 you a different angle. Now, a little bit different angle. This is 685 00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:06,320 kind of a forty five degree angle, but still off to the left just 686 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,599 slightly, and we can kind of see this exhaust port at the back. 687 00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:16,000 So as we continue to go through these, it's just mind boggling how the 688 00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:21,039 cases and the craft just keep on adding up. Now, the only reason 689 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,719 that I bring this case up is because there was a secondary, independent source, 690 00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:31,519 not known by the original source, who stated that right after this happened 691 00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:39,119 there he saw an M one three tractor trailer tank transporter going up this winding 692 00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:43,760 hill road. He was coming in the opposite direction. It was blocked off. 693 00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,440 He saw the same craft on this trailer. I'm sorry, I'm going 694 00:53:47,519 --> 00:53:51,519 to have to I'm going to have to interrupt just for a second, I 695 00:53:51,559 --> 00:53:54,119 have to say, because it's a hard to stop here tonight. Thank you 696 00:53:54,159 --> 00:53:58,599 all at KGr A Radio, and we'll see you next week. And now 697 00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:02,599 we can continue on. No problem, No problem. So he saw the 698 00:54:02,599 --> 00:54:06,960 same craft that our witness saw, but this thing was on this trailer. 699 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,639 It had a tarp on top, there were chains over that, and he 700 00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:15,000 was being ordered to evacuate the area immediately. So we had two sources now 701 00:54:15,559 --> 00:54:21,400 that confirmed this particular craft coming from this facility here, and the people who 702 00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:25,239 were by the trailer were wearing these biological hazard protective suits on That's what he 703 00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:30,559 mentioned this in great detail. All right, next one, this is going 704 00:54:30,639 --> 00:54:34,840 to be a very bizarre case, but I'm including it anyway because it's part 705 00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:38,280 of this whole narrative here. So this is Dayton, Ohio, nineteen sixty 706 00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:45,320 five Air Force Museum, UFO Crash Retrivals, page ninety three, Case eleven. 707 00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,840 And anyone who wants to play a role in this case can actually do 708 00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:54,800 this today. You can actually go here today. And in this case, 709 00:54:55,000 --> 00:55:00,440 there was a couple that was looking at the V two rocket display. This 710 00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:05,360 is the exact same V two rocket that they were looking at back in nineteen 711 00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,280 sixty five. So you've got this husband and wife and they're just looking at 712 00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:14,760 this V two rocket display. The husband leaves his wife stranded by the V 713 00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:19,519 two rocket. He starts wandering the back halls of the Air Force Museum, 714 00:55:19,559 --> 00:55:24,000 completely leaving his wife stranded at this German V two rocket display. He busts 715 00:55:24,039 --> 00:55:29,239 through. He's going through these corridors of the back portion of the Air Force 716 00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:34,159 Museum. He busts through these off limits double doors, and he is met 717 00:55:34,199 --> 00:55:37,039 with the shock of his life. He sees an et being about three and 718 00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:43,800 a half feet tall, very large head, very large brow ridge, oversized 719 00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:49,519 eyes. I was wearing a one piece, loose fitting mercury spacesuit. It 720 00:55:49,559 --> 00:55:52,360 had this crinkled aluminum exterior to it. And I'm going to go to Rudy's 721 00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,039 drawing to give you an idea what this thing looks like. It was pointing 722 00:55:55,079 --> 00:56:00,760 its index finger toward our witness here, and this guy is like completely shocked 723 00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:05,119 out of his mind. He can't believe what's going on here. This thing 724 00:56:05,159 --> 00:56:07,840 had a slit for a mouth minute nose pointing its index finger at the witness 725 00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:15,599 within ten seconds of him seeing this et being who apparently escaped its underground containment 726 00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:22,119 center over on the Patterson side of the base, the military portion of it, 727 00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:24,639 not directly at the Air Force Museum, but there may have been a 728 00:56:24,639 --> 00:56:30,119 connecting tunnel way where he escaped out and got through. Ten seconds later, 729 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:35,480 all these buzzers and sirens and lights started going off in the Air Force Museum 730 00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,719 and there were MPs ushering people outside the doors. And so that's what Rudy's 731 00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:44,719 drawn here in this detailed view on the lower right hand corner. So this 732 00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:49,239 is back in nineteen sixty five. So did this guy come across an et 733 00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:54,840 being that was accidentally brought out of his containment center. Who knows, but 734 00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:59,440 it's part of the story. It's part of the Leonard Stringfield collection. Here 735 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:04,239 all right, next one right, Patterson Air Force Base in nineteen sixty six. 736 00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:10,039 This is page seventeen, abstract number thirteen, civil service electrician. He 737 00:57:10,159 --> 00:57:15,079 had just come home from working at the base. His son was still up 738 00:57:15,679 --> 00:57:17,719 and he had a trench coat on, and he said, you know what, 739 00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,760 I got something I want to show you. So he reached inside his 740 00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,800 breastcoat pocket. He pulled out a black and white eight y ten glossy photograph, 741 00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,360 and this is what it was depicting Martin. There was a et, 742 00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:36,880 a deceased et, wearing a one piece tight fitting flight suit. It was 743 00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,440 about three and a half feet tall, oversized head. It was being propped 744 00:57:40,519 --> 00:57:45,360 up by its wrist by two personnel. One off to the left was this 745 00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:50,239 leb coat technician. The one off of the right was wearing khakis and military 746 00:57:50,519 --> 00:57:54,639 looking boots. And he is just shocked at what his father is showing him. 747 00:57:54,639 --> 00:58:00,320 He can't believe it now. The next morning, when this the father 748 00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:04,800 brought this photograph back to the base, it was discovered that it was being 749 00:58:05,239 --> 00:58:07,639 it was missing, and they tracked it down to him and he was fired 750 00:58:07,679 --> 00:58:13,719 on the spot. It did not end well for this contractor or this electrical 751 00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,920 contractor. Now in the background, it talked about this being a southwestern scene, 752 00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,920 so it could be New Mexico. It could have been Arizona one of 753 00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:25,360 the two. But there absolutely was a southwestern landscape in the background, so 754 00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:30,280 this could have been an earlier retrieval somewhere in Arizona in New Mexico. Next 755 00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:36,079 one Southwest, July third, nineteen sixty seven. This is a marine rank 756 00:58:36,239 --> 00:58:42,199 was private and first class, and he was told to guard a thirty foot 757 00:58:42,239 --> 00:58:45,159 diameter dish shaped craft back in nineteen sixty seven. This is page eighty six, 758 00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:51,400 case A five, And in this case you can see this Quantset style 759 00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:58,519 prefabricated hangar. And by the third day, curiosity got the best of him, 760 00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:02,679 so he walked over to this you could call it an aircraft prefabricated hangar. 761 00:59:04,239 --> 00:59:07,480 He kind of pulled back these flaps and he looked inside. He wasn't 762 00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,199 supposed to do this, but he just couldn't stand it anymore. So he 763 00:59:10,239 --> 00:59:15,960 looked inside and he saw this thirty foot diameter dish shape craft had a dome 764 00:59:15,039 --> 00:59:22,280 on top. There were these you could call them tables, lab coat lab 765 00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,679 technician tables. There was micrometers, there were calipers on there. They had 766 00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:30,760 other metal type equipment there. Off to the right hand corner of this hangar 767 00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:35,880 which you see here, there was a walking freezer and there were body bags 768 00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,079 near the walk in freezer. He did not see any bodies, but he 769 00:59:38,159 --> 00:59:42,639 definitely said that he could see this walk in freezer. There were mpeds with 770 00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:49,199 carbides on there. He was eventually reprimanded for looking inside. And so in 771 00:59:49,239 --> 00:59:52,599 a nutshell, that's this case from July third, nineteen sixty seven. And 772 00:59:52,719 --> 00:59:57,760 let's go to the full color rendering, just to give people a little bit 773 00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,079 clear idea what this may have looked like. You see these workbenches, you've 774 01:00:01,079 --> 01:00:05,719 got the craft itself, you've got the walk in freezer, we've got the 775 01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:12,320 body bags there. And what these craft really are looking like is they've got 776 01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:20,039 these smooth contouring, composite curvature to them. There's really no seams, there's 777 01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:24,920 absolutely no rivets. That's what these witnesses are telling us in for seventy or 778 01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:30,559 eighty years now, it absolutely appears that elements within the military industrial complex, 779 01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:37,920 the defense contractors, universities are desperately trying to reverse engineer the technology of these 780 01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,880 particular craft. All right, next one, this is a very good case. 781 01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:46,159 This is Fort Hood, Texas, late sixties, so I believe nineteen 782 01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:52,039 sixty eight timeframe. This is a private pilot, and this is crash retrievals 783 01:00:52,079 --> 01:00:55,719 page ninety one. So in this case we've got Fork Hood. Now I 784 01:00:55,760 --> 01:01:01,639 want to highlight this that embedded within Fort Good is a place called Robert Gray 785 01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:07,760 Army Airfield and there is an unimproved runway near this facility right here. And 786 01:01:08,239 --> 01:01:12,440 our witness had to make an emergency landing. He was in a one seventy 787 01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:16,159 two. He makes this emergency landing, and you can see Rudy's sketch here 788 01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:21,960 off to the left. We've got the one seventy two pilot. As soon 789 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,119 as he lands, literally within the sixty seconds, this jeep pulls up. 790 01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:30,119 There's two nps. They both pull out their forty five caliber pistols. They're 791 01:01:30,159 --> 01:01:34,360 pointing it to the one seventy two. He's out of the airplane now with 792 01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:38,000 his hands up. And now while all this is going on, there is 793 01:01:38,039 --> 01:01:43,960 this massive bypass door that opens up, probably four hundred feet across. This 794 01:01:44,079 --> 01:01:47,119 massive bypassed door opens up. Now. It had shrubbery on top, it 795 01:01:47,239 --> 01:01:52,960 had rocks on there, it had low you could call it desert terrain. 796 01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:58,480 It blends in with the surrounding background. You would never know that there's an 797 01:01:58,559 --> 01:02:01,920 underground facility here, let alone that there's an underground runway here. He said 798 01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:07,039 that he could see what looked like Craig computers. He also said that there 799 01:02:07,079 --> 01:02:10,239 were what looked like droids that were monitoring the floor of this They were going 800 01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:17,239 back and forth. And then we heard reports that there are UFOs coming from 801 01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:22,000 Gray Army Airfield that are being escorted by military helicopters. So that would bring 802 01:02:22,039 --> 01:02:29,199 in the ch forty seven double rotor Chinnel helicopters. That's absolutely consistent with what 803 01:02:29,239 --> 01:02:32,039 the witnesses are telling us. So if we take it back in time, 804 01:02:32,679 --> 01:02:37,960 we've got the Eddie LExEN craft from nineteen sixty six, We've got other dish 805 01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:42,559 shaped craft here. If we go forward in time, the cash landrum craft 806 01:02:42,639 --> 01:02:46,960 could have originated from this facility. Any number of vehicles could have originated from 807 01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:53,480 this facility. But this looks Martin to be an underground staging area for test 808 01:02:53,559 --> 01:02:59,960 flights of man made UFOs that are being escorted by military helicopters. We keep 809 01:03:00,039 --> 01:03:05,000 getting report after report of these things. I'm going to go to the next 810 01:03:05,239 --> 01:03:09,480 slide. Here is there a top secret, vast underground facility located at Gray 811 01:03:09,599 --> 01:03:15,480 Army Airfield? The witnesses are telling us there absolutely is. Okay, Now, 812 01:03:15,679 --> 01:03:17,800 a couple of quick notes, and this is all in the book. 813 01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:23,079 Tommy Blond, who's a researcher, he interviewed someone called Colonel X, and 814 01:03:23,159 --> 01:03:27,119 this is on pageway. I think it's important that we look at this. 815 01:03:27,199 --> 01:03:32,559 Here. Here's what he says. The colonel stated that underground installations, as 816 01:03:32,599 --> 01:03:38,840 well as isolated areas of military reservations, have squadrons of unmarked helicopters which have 817 01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:45,639 sophisticated instrumentation on board, that are dispatched areas of UFO activity to monitor these 818 01:03:45,679 --> 01:03:52,280 craft or lift them out of the area if one has malfunctioned. So, 819 01:03:52,519 --> 01:04:00,000 Martin, can you think of any UFO case where something malfunctioned, Oh, 820 01:04:00,039 --> 01:04:08,280 you mean like something of ours malfunctioned? Yeah, Malstrom or car, you 821 01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:12,159 know, cars stalling out, things like that. Well, when you talk 822 01:04:12,239 --> 01:04:15,599 about you, when you have a when you have a man made UFO that 823 01:04:15,679 --> 01:04:20,440 had a malfunction, does anything come to mind? Oh? Yes, Cash 824 01:04:20,519 --> 01:04:25,440 Landrum, Good, well done, Okay, good, well over here I 825 01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:28,320 was going to I was going to ask you about that. Well, sure, 826 01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:30,840 we'll remember when I had Colby Landrum on you and I had a discussion 827 01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:35,519 way back, way back. Yeah. Nice, yep, that's right now. 828 01:04:35,559 --> 01:04:40,000 The next one here is page ninety two. Here's what what this colonel 829 01:04:40,039 --> 01:04:45,559 said here. Quote. The technology that is being applied in this underground complex 830 01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:51,039 would remind someone of a science fiction thriller. It is unbelievable what they know 831 01:04:51,199 --> 01:04:55,920 and can do from this area. That's exactly what the witnesses are telling us 832 01:04:55,920 --> 01:05:01,039 here. Okay, so they're saying that they're seeing UFO is being escorted by 833 01:05:01,079 --> 01:05:06,599 these double rotor Chinook H forty seven helicopters. And so now I want to 834 01:05:06,599 --> 01:05:12,119 take it to the Cash Lantern incident. This is December twenty ninth, nineteen 835 01:05:12,159 --> 01:05:16,960 eighty Hoffman, Texas. It's just after nine pm. So we've got Betty 836 01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:21,960 Cash, We've got Vicky Landrum, we've got Kolbe Landrum. They're heading southbound 837 01:05:23,599 --> 01:05:27,440 and they had already given up trying to find two bingo games. They already 838 01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,760 gave it up, so they're deciding to go back to Dayton to drop off 839 01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:34,880 Vicki. And as they're heading southbound, Colby, who is in the back 840 01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:40,000 seat, notices this white light off to the right, and this thing keeps 841 01:05:40,039 --> 01:05:43,079 getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and all of a sudden, the entire 842 01:05:43,159 --> 01:05:47,920 area lights up, almost like daylight, and they see this ninety foot tall, 843 01:05:48,039 --> 01:05:53,159 as big as a water tower, double ice cream combe device with a 844 01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:58,400 large ends connected. There appears to be a slight flat section where they were 845 01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:03,000 the two miles of the craft, and there was like lighted porthole windows. 846 01:06:03,679 --> 01:06:06,800 The bottom of it was chopped off that almost looked like it was chopped off 847 01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:12,800 with a butter knife. And as this craft kept bobbing down because they were 848 01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,119 all in the car and this is December twenty ninth, nineteen eighty, there 849 01:06:15,159 --> 01:06:18,079 was a blue colored flame that came out of the bottom of the craft, 850 01:06:18,119 --> 01:06:21,800 and then it bobbed back up again and this pattern would repeat. Now by 851 01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:27,639 this time, they're essentially all horrified. Betty Cash gets out of the vehicle, 852 01:06:27,719 --> 01:06:30,199 She opens up the car door. She walks toward the hood of the 853 01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:34,280 vehicle and she sat there. She's stood there watching this thing for at least 854 01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:40,679 five minutes. Vicky Landrum and Kolby Landrum also got out of the car very 855 01:06:40,719 --> 01:06:45,280 briefly. So it was Vicky who was off to the right and Colby was 856 01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:48,519 kind of pinned between Vicky and the car itself the frame of the car entryway 857 01:06:48,559 --> 01:06:53,320 door on the right hand side. Eventually those two get back in the vehicle. 858 01:06:54,639 --> 01:07:00,280 Betty walks back to the car door, grabs the handle and burns her 859 01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:03,920 hand. She had to use the flaps of her jacket to open up the 860 01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:08,400 handle and get inside. Now, by the time they both got in, 861 01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:12,880 and this is December twenty ninth and nineteen eighty back in winter time, it 862 01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:17,280 was so boiling hot inside the vehicle that Betty had to turn on the air 863 01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:20,719 conditioner. Now, one other thing I didn't mention is that when this finally 864 01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:24,159 came down in front of them, it was only one hundred and fifty feet 865 01:07:24,159 --> 01:07:29,199 in front of them. Betty slammed on the brakes and then Vicky went forward, 866 01:07:29,239 --> 01:07:33,239 putting her hands on the dash pad. And to this day, and 867 01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:40,440 if this vehicle is still alive, it's still around Vicky's handprints are melted into 868 01:07:40,559 --> 01:07:44,880 the dash pad. That's a piece of physical evidence that would still be there. 869 01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:49,599 Now you've got as this thing now passes by. They counted no less 870 01:07:49,639 --> 01:07:55,960 than twenty three double rotor chinook h forty seven helicopters. There were at least 871 01:07:56,000 --> 01:08:01,440 two beluh ones and one Sikorski skycrane chasing after this thing, just like the 872 01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:05,159 colonel had talked about. And this is all December twenty ninth, nineteen eighty 873 01:08:05,199 --> 01:08:11,480 So here's the clarion ledger December twenty fifth, nineteen eighty three. What did 874 01:08:11,519 --> 01:08:18,600 three Texans encounter? Sighting of UFO brought illnesses but few answers. Within minutes 875 01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:26,720 of Betty dropping off Vicky, all three of them felt the effects of radiation 876 01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:31,159 poisoning. They threw up, they lost their hair, they had sores. 877 01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:38,000 Vicky's face swelled up completely. It was a horrible, horrible scene. Now 878 01:08:38,159 --> 01:08:42,239 Betty is no longer with us, Vicky is no longer with us. Colby 879 01:08:42,399 --> 01:08:45,760 is the sole surviving witness to this whole encounter. Now there's one other thing 880 01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:50,640 I wanted two other things I want to highlight here. Number one is after 881 01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:57,640 this happened, like almost immediately after this happened not too long after. The 882 01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:01,960 Army Corps of Engineers came in and they dug up the road and they repaved 883 01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:06,079 it. Two weeks later they came back and they dug it up a second 884 01:09:06,079 --> 01:09:11,600 time, and they repaved it a second time. So you sell, if 885 01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:15,600 there's nothing to this, why would the Army Corps of Engineers repave the once 886 01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:20,600 the road once and then repave it again twice second time. Nope, we 887 01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:26,600 got something going on here. It appears to be a craft that had a 888 01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:30,159 whole breach on the inside of the reactor and it started spewing out fishionable material 889 01:09:30,199 --> 01:09:34,600 and they were at the wrong place at the wrong time and got this radiation 890 01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:40,319 poisoning. That appears to be what's actually going on here. Now Here is 891 01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:44,319 the Florida today, December fourth, nineteen eighty three, and you can see 892 01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:47,840 X marks the spot here of where this all went down. So here is 893 01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:53,600 our full color rendering by Joel Payne. This is what this underground runway may 894 01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:57,880 look like now. In the report within the book, it also talks about 895 01:09:58,239 --> 01:10:02,439 four engine cargo plane see one thirties landing at this facility, So you could 896 01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:06,960 land cargo planes in here more than likely you could land F sixteens at fifteen's 897 01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,520 in here if you had to. Other helicopters CEGE forty seven. So we 898 01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:15,319 have no problem getting out of this facility and entering back in. So this 899 01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:20,560 just goes to show you that there is a massive underground world going on beneath 900 01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:26,640 our noses that are paid for by these classified, black budget programs. Okay, 901 01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:30,840 so next one, California, move on. Just before we have on 902 01:10:31,039 --> 01:10:34,399 this next one. Just I'm in touch with Colby every now and then. 903 01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:39,199 And yeah, and he put out there publicly. I mean, I wouldn't 904 01:10:39,199 --> 01:10:42,600 say this, but I mean, I think he's having some health issues. 905 01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:46,520 And I'm not sure if it's related to the possible radiation, But I mean, 906 01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:50,399 why else would they tear out the road. It has to be something 907 01:10:50,399 --> 01:10:55,680 to do with radiation, I would imagine. And what about the vegetation in 908 01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:59,119 that area? Yeah, I know, I'm sure that the bark on the 909 01:10:59,159 --> 01:11:03,840 trees was effect and the surrounding vegetation and brush was also affected. There's no 910 01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,520 question. It has to be. It has to be because I think it 911 01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:11,640 was spewing all over that entire area. And here's the other thing. If 912 01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:15,920 there's twenty three double rotor Chinna helicopters, and each one has a crew of 913 01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:24,119 three or more. Plus the UH ones and plus the Sikorski skycrane, we're 914 01:11:24,119 --> 01:11:28,720 looking at it at least one hundred personnel. And I don't think that they 915 01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:34,000 were shielded for radiation unless they were wearing lead suits the whole time. I 916 01:11:34,039 --> 01:11:40,000 don't know. But so there's another avenue to follow up on. So your 917 01:11:40,399 --> 01:11:45,840 thoughts on this is this is maybe some part of a reversed engineered craft or 918 01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:50,439 some type of craft. But it was like a nuclear well according to John 919 01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:55,800 Schusler, and according to and I don't know how much we should believe him 920 01:11:55,880 --> 01:12:00,560 because he's a disinformation agent Richard Doty, Oh yeah, basically talking about it's 921 01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:06,319 an ET craft with pilots on board that had a retrofitted man made propulsion stiff. 922 01:12:06,319 --> 01:12:11,720 Now I lean to more of a man made aspect all the way. 923 01:12:12,399 --> 01:12:15,399 I mean, technically it could be either, but I'm leaning much more toward 924 01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:23,119 a completely man made craft with potential pilots on board, with an atomic engine 925 01:12:23,159 --> 01:12:26,399 that had a whole breach in the reactor. And that's what this thing actually 926 01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:30,199 is. And then the other thing I want to be. The other thing 927 01:12:30,239 --> 01:12:33,079 I wanted to point out is that after all this was over, the Air 928 01:12:33,119 --> 01:12:40,960 Force tried to buy Betty's car. That's enough point. Why would the Air 929 01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:45,039 Force be interested in Betty's car for no reason at all? It doesn't make 930 01:12:45,079 --> 01:12:50,279 any sense. Yep, that's something all right. So California City, Summer 931 01:12:50,359 --> 01:12:56,439 nineteen seventy one, Primary eyewitnesses Debbie Clayton. This is page two thirty three 932 01:12:56,479 --> 01:13:00,560 in the book, and basically what they hear is this large, booming noise. 933 01:13:01,279 --> 01:13:03,920 And this was a kind of a tight knit community. There weren't too 934 01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:09,279 many people here at that local vicinity back in nineteen seventy one. So there 935 01:13:09,319 --> 01:13:13,159 was about four witnesses that go down to the end of the block and they 936 01:13:13,239 --> 01:13:16,640 see this ten foot wide by five foot tall dish shaped craft that has a 937 01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:21,880 mushroom top that rolls around. Kind of got this mushroom appearance. Within minutes, 938 01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:26,920 there was a military convoy that showed up that had kind of a tank 939 01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:30,680 transporter. I wouldn't call it exactly that, but definitely a six by six 940 01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:35,760 troop transporter. There was a trailer with an attached crane. They set up 941 01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:40,279 a lanyard system with an eyehook, and then they brought that back onto the 942 01:13:40,319 --> 01:13:43,760 back of the trailer. Now, while all this is going on, before 943 01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:46,520 the military got there, that one of the witnesses had a handheld camera and 944 01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:54,159 he was taking photographs of this whole operation. When this Air Force brass got 945 01:13:54,199 --> 01:13:58,039 to these witnesses, he threw that camera down and told these guys to get 946 01:13:58,079 --> 01:14:01,319 out of here immediately. But they saw this whole retrieval operation. Okay, 947 01:14:01,399 --> 01:14:04,920 next one, and how much time do we have here, Martin. We 948 01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:10,000 can keep going until we wrap this up as far as I'm concerned. Okay, 949 01:14:10,199 --> 01:14:13,520 So we'll do a couple more do a couple more cases here. So 950 01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:17,279 this is Norton Air Force Base nineteen seventy three, and this is an Air 951 01:14:17,319 --> 01:14:23,399 Force photographer who was stationed in Hawaii at the time. He had a security 952 01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:28,439 clearance upgraded. He was flown to Norton Air Force Base in San Bernardino, 953 01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:31,960 California. He was joined by another Air Force photographer. They get inside this 954 01:14:32,119 --> 01:14:36,399 vehicle, they try they travel about an hour from Norton Air Force Base and 955 01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:43,159 then the car stops, Martin completely stops and they drop down into this underground 956 01:14:43,239 --> 01:14:47,039 facility. They're told to exit the vehicle. They go into another room in 957 01:14:47,079 --> 01:14:51,840 this underground facility. They're told to this robe completely nude and go into these 958 01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:57,159 medical smocks, these white medical smocks that covers their entire body up to their 959 01:14:57,199 --> 01:15:00,079 faces. And then there's like a face covering here that's got a transparent section 960 01:15:00,159 --> 01:15:05,159 here. And once they come out, they're led into this large underground facility, 961 01:15:05,199 --> 01:15:10,279 and this is what they see, Martin. They see this crane supporting 962 01:15:10,319 --> 01:15:15,720 by a netting or lanyard device. This is a thirty foot diameter dish shaped 963 01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:20,039 craft. And they're both told to go into a cherry picker and go inside 964 01:15:20,119 --> 01:15:26,199 the entryway of this craft and start photographing the interior of the craft. Now, 965 01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:30,560 I want to mention that this gentleman said that the craft was thirty feet 966 01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,600 in down, but when he got inside the craft bart and he said, 967 01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:36,640 quote, I could have thrown a football as hard as I could and not 968 01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:43,319 hit the other side. So there is something going on within the interior of 969 01:15:43,359 --> 01:15:47,319 this craft. There's a space time continuum, there's a gravity well, there's 970 01:15:47,359 --> 01:15:54,560 an optical warping going on, something going on with gravity, space and time 971 01:15:55,239 --> 01:16:00,520 that allows the interior to appear ten times larger. Than the exterior. Absolutely 972 01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:03,920 happened. So on the upper left hand blow up enlargement here, I told 973 01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:09,840 Rudid, do give me something that just shows the large, vastness of this 974 01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:15,479 craft. So he was taking photographs of the interior panels, the display screens. 975 01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:19,479 And then when they were done taking photographs of the interior, he said, 976 01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:24,479 they were led to another room and told to photograph the autopsy of three 977 01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:28,319 et bodies. He mentioned that as well, and so that's all within this 978 01:16:28,399 --> 01:16:31,079 case here. So now what I want to do is take you inside this 979 01:16:31,199 --> 01:16:36,640 underground facility. We've got an overhead crane in this particular craze with this netting, 980 01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:41,279 and this thing is thirty feet in diameter. Here's a little bit larger 981 01:16:41,359 --> 01:16:45,760 detail view. And now I want to take you inside the craft itself, 982 01:16:45,039 --> 01:16:48,560 Martin. And here's what my friend Joseph Raith came up with. Now, 983 01:16:49,279 --> 01:16:53,760 in this case, you could throw a football as hard as you could not 984 01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:57,479 hit the other side. This may have been what it looked like when this 985 01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:02,199 gentleman was inside photograph the interior components of this craft. But this is what 986 01:17:02,279 --> 01:17:05,840 these witnesses are telling and this is not an isolated incident. There are other 987 01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:13,359 cases that also talk about the interior of these craft are at least ten times 988 01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:17,000 larger than the exterior dimension. Okay, so here heard that many many times 989 01:17:17,039 --> 01:17:19,520 over the years, and it's like, you know, it was something that 990 01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:23,560 looks thirty feet wide, didn't they go in? And it just expands on 991 01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:28,119 and on, and I think, you know the Travis Walton, Travis Walton 992 01:17:28,239 --> 01:17:31,439 talks about, you know this, this whole strange thing after he wakes up 993 01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:35,840 and everything, all the expanse of everything. You know. Yep, it's 994 01:17:36,079 --> 01:17:41,840 not an isolated case. Others talk about this in historical cases as well. 995 01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:45,119 All right, so then of course they started digging, right, do we 996 01:17:45,159 --> 01:17:48,680 have any proof of these underground facilities? So here is the La Times June 997 01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:56,319 eleventh, nineteen seventy two tube shuttle using electromagnetic suspension. It says, here 998 01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:59,960 La to New York in half an hour, ten thousand mile an hour. 999 01:18:00,039 --> 01:18:02,680 Our tunnel train plan developed. This is back in nineteen seventy two. This 1000 01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:06,479 is public literature. Here here's the detail view of the cutaway and you can 1001 01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:12,159 see these vacuum pumps, emergency bumpers, lateral coils. In this article they 1002 01:18:12,199 --> 01:18:15,880 talk about the intricate details of how they're going to do this. So then 1003 01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:20,359 I started digging even further to try to support this case here and I ran 1004 01:18:20,399 --> 01:18:27,880 across this document. This is RAND Corporation Proceedings of the Second Protective Construction Symposium, 1005 01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:31,239 Deep Underground Construction, Volume two, March twenty fourth, twenty fifth, 1006 01:18:31,279 --> 01:18:34,479 twenty six, nineteen fifty nine, by the Rand Corporation. These are their 1007 01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:40,239 own documents. Here. Here's what they say, Martin. Just as airplanes, 1008 01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:45,119 ships and automobiles have given man mastery of the surface of the earth, 1009 01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:50,199 tunnel boring machines and chef sinkers will give him access to the subterranean world. 1010 01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:56,520 It is our aim to provide machines which will supply the ever increasing demand in 1011 01:18:56,680 --> 01:19:01,399 mining and construction of underground facility. So bottom line here, Martin, at 1012 01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:08,079 least by nineteen fifty nine, they're already talking about this underground world, these 1013 01:19:08,119 --> 01:19:12,760 deep underground bases, these tunnels. It's already a done deal. This is 1014 01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:16,560 back in nineteen fifty nine. There's no telling how evolved that this whole thing 1015 01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:21,119 has gone. All of the bases, all the tube tunnel systems, there's 1016 01:19:21,159 --> 01:19:27,880 no telling how deep this really goes. Yeah, those boring machines are something 1017 01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:31,279 else. I've seen absolutely, you know, some documentaries on them, and 1018 01:19:31,319 --> 01:19:38,279 they're just scary. They could they really could keep tunneling, and I just 1019 01:19:38,319 --> 01:19:45,319 don't understand what happens to the dispersed you know, rocks and everything like that. 1020 01:19:45,359 --> 01:19:48,640 I mean, there's sort of like a melting type of situation going on 1021 01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:54,560 there too. So we've seen the patents of the nuclear powered tunnel boring machines 1022 01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:58,199 that melt the debris into glass that makes up the interior walls of the craft. 1023 01:19:58,199 --> 01:20:00,960 We've heard of those. We've seen patents, So that checks out as 1024 01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:06,560 well. Actionable item. Senators and Congressmen with the appropriate security clearances should locate 1025 01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:13,000 this facility, find out what is stored there and what underground installations this may 1026 01:20:13,039 --> 01:20:15,119 be connected to. Yeah, that needs to happen. That needs to happen. 1027 01:20:15,119 --> 01:20:20,199 We just took a hit last week regarding up disclosure legislation, so now 1028 01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:27,359 it's even more important that these witnesses come forward and we need to again, 1029 01:20:27,399 --> 01:20:30,760 this is the final curtain call. Time to make a management decision. Here 1030 01:20:31,399 --> 01:20:36,920 US Marine diver off the coast of ok Now in nineteen ninety one fifty foot 1031 01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:41,399 per side triangle at a depth of one point five miles. I'm going to 1032 01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:46,039 give Greer the credit for digging this up within the collection here. So this 1033 01:20:46,159 --> 01:20:50,199 is off the coast of ok Now in nineteen ninety one, and this is 1034 01:20:50,239 --> 01:20:55,039 what the craft looked like. This is finally, finally, we've got a 1035 01:20:55,079 --> 01:21:01,039 triangle triangle shaped craft one point five miles down. They notice that there's radiation 1036 01:21:01,159 --> 01:21:05,159 coming from this area. They go on a DSRV, they drop down to 1037 01:21:05,199 --> 01:21:11,239 one point five miles and they see this triangular shaped craft fifty feet per side. 1038 01:21:12,079 --> 01:21:15,039 They do retrieve this thing, but before they do, they could see 1039 01:21:15,079 --> 01:21:21,199 that it was buried within the silt about probably between three to four feet and 1040 01:21:21,279 --> 01:21:26,319 they estimate approximately forty to fifty years it's been sitting there at the bottom of 1041 01:21:26,359 --> 01:21:29,960 the ocean. So they bring this thing up, they see that has these 1042 01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:35,880 hieroglyphic lettering on the sidewall the craft itself. Here's Joel's illustration that shows you 1043 01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:41,479 what this thing looks like. And this is just another one of these retrieval 1044 01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:47,039 operations. This thing was bigger than a well close to the size of an 1045 01:21:47,119 --> 01:21:50,880 F fourteenth. That's the way they describe it in this report. But we've 1046 01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:55,439 got one of these deep sea fish here, but just giving an idea that 1047 01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:58,840 these things are at the bottom of the ocean, and later, if we 1048 01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:01,000 have time, we'll go into whom be retrieving these craft. Okay, Next 1049 01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:08,279 one, McClellan Air Force Base, nineteen seventy three, Chris Kofi via test 1050 01:22:08,279 --> 01:22:12,560 pilot astronaut Ellison Unizuka. This is page one fifty three in the book. 1051 01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:16,079 This is case three. So in this case we've got Ellison Unizuka, who 1052 01:22:16,119 --> 01:22:20,399 at this time was a test pilot. They're at McClellan Air Force Base. 1053 01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:26,319 This is near Sacramento, California. They go into a briefing room and there's 1054 01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:30,279 this is Ellison Uniezuka. Here a good picture of him. They go into 1055 01:22:30,319 --> 01:22:33,760 this briefing room. There's about twelve other pilots there, and there is a 1056 01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:38,399 general Air Force general sitting in the back of a movie projector. All the 1057 01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:42,880 lights go down, the movie projectors turned on, and on this forward wall 1058 01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:48,199 is this three to five minute black and white film clip of two et bodies 1059 01:22:48,199 --> 01:22:54,840 on slabs. And Ellison is thinking, Oh my god, I can't believe 1060 01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:58,199 what I'm seeing here. He's like shocked about all this. He just he 1061 01:22:58,239 --> 01:23:00,720 can't believe what he's seeing here. And I'm going to go to the next 1062 01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:05,880 slide here, and I want to reference this from open Minds. And this 1063 01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:11,840 is at the same facility, and this is David Armstrong claims his aunt used 1064 01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:16,000 to work for a top secret UFO records library at McCullin Air Force Base in 1065 01:23:16,039 --> 01:23:19,560 his twenties, Armstrong went to visit her and, knowing he had an interest 1066 01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:24,560 in the subject, Armstrong says his aunt let him take a look at the 1067 01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:31,600 files. So here we've got two independent sources that are essentially confirming that et 1068 01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:39,880 photographs eight x ten black and whites motion picture film reel were at one time 1069 01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:45,920 stored at a classified library at Mtclin Air Force Base. Now later Allison one 1070 01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:56,880 Zuka became an astronaut and two weeks after a particular date, Leonard Springfield was 1071 01:23:56,960 --> 01:24:00,439 going to interview. So they had this interview all set up, they had 1072 01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:02,960 the date picked out, They're all going to have a fantastic and he was 1073 01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:09,119 going to tell Leonard Springfield all about this motion picture film reeal that he saw 1074 01:24:10,039 --> 01:24:14,760 back at McCallan Air Force Base in nineteen seventy three. But unfortunately, Martin, 1075 01:24:15,079 --> 01:24:17,520 we lost him in the Challenger accident back in January twenty eighth, nineteen 1076 01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:23,199 eighty six. Oh wow, we were this close of getting the testimony of 1077 01:24:23,239 --> 01:24:28,960 an astronaut who saw a black and white film clip of an ET two ets 1078 01:24:29,119 --> 01:24:33,520 on concrete slabs. Now, when that film was over, the lights went 1079 01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:38,199 back on, there was no debrief, and then they all walked out. 1080 01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:44,319 So it looks like what this is it is a trial balloon, and they're 1081 01:24:44,319 --> 01:24:48,359 trying to gauge the reaction of our top military pilots. Could they handle this 1082 01:24:48,399 --> 01:24:54,640 new reality or would they collapse under this new reality? Could they handle this 1083 01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:59,039 new paradigm shifting reality. That's what appears to be happening because within the book, 1084 01:24:59,079 --> 01:25:02,760 if you read this book, this film pops up between three and five 1085 01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:06,840 different locations all around the country, and so it looks like they ship this 1086 01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:12,600 thing all around and they bring these military pilots into these facilities and they do 1087 01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:20,640 these unannounced movies with no debrief, and then afterward they're told almost nothing about 1088 01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:26,000 this, or they're told what you just saw was a hoax and forget all 1089 01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:30,560 about it. That's what's going on here. It's confirmed by at least five 1090 01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:33,560 separate cases within the book. All right, next one nineteen seventy four. 1091 01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:36,600 Well, we'll do a couple more here. This is right Patterson Air Force 1092 01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:41,239 Base, nineteen seventy four, page three, twenty seven. Now, primary 1093 01:25:41,279 --> 01:25:46,159 eyewitness had just given her two week notice and she's at a dinner party engagement. 1094 01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:54,840 Her new boss is coincidentally also at this same dinner party, and her 1095 01:25:54,880 --> 01:26:00,319 boss could tell that her new hire is getting beat up in this dinner party 1096 01:26:00,359 --> 01:26:03,680 engagement because they're talking about UFOs and she's getting beat up. So he turns 1097 01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:06,880 to her and he says, do you want to see the physical evidence? 1098 01:26:08,279 --> 01:26:11,760 And she says to him now, and he says, yeah, now, 1099 01:26:12,119 --> 01:26:15,439 So he takes her in his car. They drive to write Patterson Air Force 1100 01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:23,560 Base. He had the correct security clearance to go through this magnetic card key 1101 01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:28,520 entryway. They walk down this long corridor. There's another key entryway section, 1102 01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:31,039 so he brings out his card one more time with a magnetic strip on it. 1103 01:26:31,279 --> 01:26:35,479 He inserts it into this reader and this door opens up, leading them 1104 01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:43,520 down another corridor into an underground morgue that has all these handles and doors that 1105 01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:46,960 open up. So he pulls on one of these handles and then off on 1106 01:26:47,039 --> 01:26:54,479 this call it a chassis unroller comes out this table with this et body half 1107 01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:58,520 out of a zipper body bag. This thing was about four feet tall, 1108 01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:02,079 the same overside his head, oversized, eyes slip for a mouth minute nose, 1109 01:27:02,119 --> 01:27:09,119 and she's looking at this thing. Basically the eyes are somewhat open and 1110 01:27:09,279 --> 01:27:13,399 she's she can't believe what she's seeing here. She's absolutely shocked. You can 1111 01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:16,800 imagine, she's just like totally in shock. So he brings her back into 1112 01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:20,239 his vehicle. He drives her home, and on the way home, she's 1113 01:27:20,319 --> 01:27:25,760 just contemplating this whole new reality that she's learned about. She shocked to her 1114 01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:30,520 absolute core. Now, when her two weeks is up, because she had 1115 01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:33,399 already given her two weeks notice, on the Monday morning that she's supposed to 1116 01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:40,640 report to work, she talks to the office manager and the office manager tells 1117 01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:46,720 her, I'm sorry, miss, but your boss died about two weeks ago, 1118 01:27:47,039 --> 01:27:51,720 and there's no mention of him in the obituaries within the local newspapers. 1119 01:27:53,359 --> 01:27:58,439 So something happened to this guy. Maybe he spoke too soon. He got 1120 01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:03,520 her into the unacknowledged He wasn't supposed to bring her. But this guy it 1121 01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:10,920 appears he was terminated for what he did. So this is something to be 1122 01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:14,479 aware of. I mean, when you play with the varsity team here and 1123 01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:17,159 you're dealing with physical evidence, now, you're on a completely different ball field 1124 01:28:17,159 --> 01:28:20,359 here. This is you know, you're playing with the big boys now, 1125 01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:27,960 and they do not relinquish their crown jewels easily to anyone. There's a price 1126 01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:32,199 to be paid for this kind of stuff, and that's sure if he's using 1127 01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:39,520 an electric card, that they know that he accessed it at absolutely absolutely. 1128 01:28:40,239 --> 01:28:45,039 So this is what this lady described on this bizarre night that she went to 1129 01:28:45,079 --> 01:28:48,199 write Patterson Air Force Base. So when you look at all these cases, 1130 01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:53,840 Martin, and you've got military personnel, You've got people who handle the bodies, 1131 01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:57,479 you've got people who drove these things into the base. You've got other 1132 01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:02,960 witnesses who saw DC seven four ranging cargo transport planes enter these facilities. It's 1133 01:29:03,039 --> 01:29:08,000 coming in from all different angles here and they're all converging on right Patterson Air 1134 01:29:08,079 --> 01:29:12,960 Force Base. This is exactly what Barry Goldwater had talked about to Curtis Leamay, 1135 01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:15,840 and he said, you know, general, I know you guys have 1136 01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:20,800 a room in this in this base where you keep all this material, the 1137 01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:27,399 bodies, the debris, the craft, gun camera footage, motion picture film 1138 01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:30,560 reels, glossy for can I go in there? So he turns to Barry 1139 01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:34,159 and says, damn it, Barry, don't you ever ask me that question 1140 01:29:34,199 --> 01:29:40,039 again, because if you do, I'll be court martialed. And basically he 1141 01:29:40,159 --> 01:29:43,600 shut the whole thing down. That's the only time you ever got mad at 1142 01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:46,359 Barry, but that's how it went down. So if there's nothing to any 1143 01:29:46,359 --> 01:29:50,520 of this, why would General LeMay go off on Barry Goldwater? What was 1144 01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:56,479 he trying to hide if he couldn't even get in there? These questions just 1145 01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:59,920 keep on asking, and you know, maybe maybe one or two of the 1146 01:30:00,039 --> 01:30:03,760 these witnesses, maybe they're hoaxing, maybe they're just telling a lie. But 1147 01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:12,239 when you take one hundred and nineteen first hand military witnesses that keep telling us 1148 01:30:12,279 --> 01:30:15,159 about the bodies, the debris, the crewd you cannot tell me that all 1149 01:30:15,159 --> 01:30:18,840 one hundred and nineteen are lying. Why would this lady lie? I mean, 1150 01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:23,920 she just shows up at work not knowing anything about what she's going to 1151 01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:30,560 be told within the next sixty seconds, and then she just she finds out 1152 01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:33,279 about this new Why would she lie? No, I tend to trust and 1153 01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:41,920 other reference librarians are telling us people who worked at cataloging bases within right, 1154 01:30:42,319 --> 01:30:45,640 Patison Air Force Base. They're telling us about these Okay, we'll do a 1155 01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:50,039 couple more here. This is late nineteen fifties Air Force pilot ed camerac. 1156 01:30:50,640 --> 01:30:58,000 He saw a five to six minute film clip that depicted a large, sixty 1157 01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:01,560 foot diameter dish shaped craft in a military hangar. There were three bodies off 1158 01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:05,479 to the right that had kind of what looked like covers on them. There 1159 01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:10,239 was a whole breach on the upper section of the dome. They showed the 1160 01:31:10,279 --> 01:31:15,039 propulsion system and what appeared to be button switches, dials and levers, and 1161 01:31:15,079 --> 01:31:18,600 a display screen on the inside. This is coming from this Air Force pilot 1162 01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:25,680 nineteen fifties timeframe. Here's an enlarged version of both the propulsion system and the 1163 01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:29,880 display panel on the inside wall of the craft itself. One or two more 1164 01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:32,399 here right, Patterson Air Force Base, nineteen sixty two. This is three 1165 01:31:32,479 --> 01:31:38,399 hundred and fifty fourth Technical Air Command Fighter Wing Page eighty eight, case A 1166 01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:45,760 six. And so these joggers who are the fighter pilots are our primary eye 1167 01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:49,520 witness. He's in charge of their health. So they're out on a morning 1168 01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:54,880 run. They're walking down these running down these rows of hangars. They look 1169 01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:57,239 off to the right. One of these hangar doors is open. They run 1170 01:31:57,279 --> 01:32:02,159 inside and they see this fifteen foot diamond or dish shaped craft that they described 1171 01:32:02,239 --> 01:32:09,319 as two track and field discus put together with the rims touching each other. 1172 01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:13,800 It was being propped up off the hangar floor by two engine test stands. 1173 01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:18,760 They had a roped off section with military personnel with carbides, and they're challenging 1174 01:32:19,439 --> 01:32:24,119 these joggers and they're basically saying, you know what, you guys aren't allowed 1175 01:32:24,119 --> 01:32:27,520 here. Get out of here immediately. Now, I want to go to 1176 01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:30,840 what this pilot said here, which I think is very interesting. Here's what 1177 01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:36,520 it says within the publication. The guard challenged by saying, quote, I 1178 01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:41,680 don't think you're supposed to be here. Sarah I replied to the affirmative, 1179 01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:45,119 and we turned about face and departed, mumbling to ourselves that the good old 1180 01:32:45,239 --> 01:32:50,159 US had developed or had all along flying saucers in service. Now, when 1181 01:32:50,199 --> 01:32:58,319 you have five fighter pilots who saw this, and one of them comes forward, 1182 01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:02,039 I think that they make good witnesses. I don't think they're lying. 1183 01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:08,279 And we've got other reports from pilots that have seen things tucked away in hangers 1184 01:33:08,319 --> 01:33:12,479 at Bright Patterson Air Force Base. So these are what these military witnesses are 1185 01:33:12,479 --> 01:33:15,560 telling us here. Okay, Rosweld, the other roswel Noi Taurus, and 1186 01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:20,920 my good friend Rubin are the primary researchers on this case. This is spring 1187 01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:26,720 nineteen fifty five, and this is just across the Texas Mexican border, south 1188 01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:30,199 of Del Rio, Texas. So here you see this F eighty six. 1189 01:33:30,279 --> 01:33:32,239 Now I'm going to set this scene up. We've got at least two B 1190 01:33:32,359 --> 01:33:38,600 forty seven's and at least three fifty six's. They're heading westbound over southern Texas. 1191 01:33:39,199 --> 01:33:43,680 And here's the map, and all of a sudden, a disshaped craft 1192 01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:46,319 comes screaming right past their flight pass. So one of the F eighty six 1193 01:33:46,399 --> 01:33:50,279 is breaks away and you can see the map. Here You've got Delrio and 1194 01:33:50,279 --> 01:33:55,159 then you've got the Rio Grande River. So just south of the Rio Grande 1195 01:33:55,279 --> 01:33:59,159 River is where this craft came down. So one of these F eighty six 1196 01:33:59,279 --> 01:34:01,720 is he pulls away from the group and I'm going to go back two slides 1197 01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:08,199 here, and he does a slow pass over this scene and he sees this 1198 01:34:08,359 --> 01:34:14,479 dis shaped craft here. He makes a left hand turn heading northbound. He 1199 01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:17,359 lands at Carswell Air Force Base, gets out of the F eighty six. 1200 01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:24,760 He drives to a civilian airport called Corsica. He gets in a two seat 1201 01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:29,920 tandem tail dragger Auranka with a friend and they fly back to the crash site 1202 01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:32,600 before it gets dark. So I'm going to move forward here, and this 1203 01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:36,760 is what they saw when they landed. This was about twenty five feet in 1204 01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:40,840 diameter. It was five feet tall. This is a drawn by Rudy. 1205 01:34:41,319 --> 01:34:45,039 The dome had popped up off the upper portion of the craft itself. There 1206 01:34:45,079 --> 01:34:47,840 was a whole breach on the side of the craft. When this came in. 1207 01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:53,399 It left a debris trail. And the primary eyewitness said that the Mexican 1208 01:34:53,439 --> 01:34:58,319 military, because it was a cold day and it was getting toward nighttime, 1209 01:34:58,520 --> 01:35:01,680 they were going inside six by six troop transport that you see off to the 1210 01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:06,760 left here, and they were taking out blankets and they were laying these blankets 1211 01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:12,279 onto the warm debris from the crash site. And then once the blankets were 1212 01:35:12,319 --> 01:35:14,760 warm. They were putting on them, on their bodies, just to warm 1213 01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:18,840 them up. This is what the witness told our researcher, and then that 1214 01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:23,720 made it into the book. Here, now here's a blow up. This 1215 01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:27,520 is from Air Force pilot Robert Willingham. He described the bodies and he said, 1216 01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:30,640 quote they had arms that looked like broomsticks. So now I want to 1217 01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:35,279 take you to the full color rendering and now you can see what this whole 1218 01:35:35,439 --> 01:35:38,960 entire scene, this is by Joel Payne, what it looks like. You 1219 01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:42,960 can see the ironka and the foreground right, You've got the troop transport. 1220 01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:45,119 You've got the whole breach on the side of the craft. You've got the 1221 01:35:45,159 --> 01:35:49,600 dome of the craft popped off, You've got the hot debris here. And 1222 01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:53,640 what I want to do, Martin, is I want to take you inside 1223 01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:58,840 the craft now to give you kind of a gruesome view of the et beings 1224 01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:02,239 that had an unfortunate end here. It did not end well for them, 1225 01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:08,319 kind of like charred and burned, dismembered body. It was not a friendly 1226 01:36:08,359 --> 01:36:11,680 site. It was a gruesome site. But this is what this air fort 1227 01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:16,319 or Force pilot is telling us here. Okay, next one Koyame incident, 1228 01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:21,039 NOE Taurus and Reuben again, fantastic job. This is August twenty fifth, 1229 01:36:21,119 --> 01:36:26,720 nineteen seventy four, Koyame, Mexico. So there was a dish shaped craft 1230 01:36:27,199 --> 01:36:31,600 that was very high altitude over seventy thousand feet. It dropped down to the 1231 01:36:31,640 --> 01:36:38,479 same level as a Cessna one seventy two that was heading south bound over southern 1232 01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:44,199 Texas and there was a midair collision. Here you see the map here and 1233 01:36:44,279 --> 01:36:46,560 off to the left it says Koyame, Mexico. Difficult to describe, but 1234 01:36:47,479 --> 01:36:51,279 this craft was going two thousand, five hundred and thirty miles an hour and 1235 01:36:51,359 --> 01:36:56,239 there was a midair collision because it dropped down to the same altitude as the 1236 01:36:56,520 --> 01:37:00,760 one to seventy two did. And we want to go to the next slide. 1237 01:37:00,079 --> 01:37:04,479 And while all this is going on, the Mexican military is in the 1238 01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:13,199 midst of this retrieval operation. Elements of the United States intelligence agencies were monitoring 1239 01:37:13,239 --> 01:37:16,920 the radio traffic from the Mexican soldiers. So the National Security Agency and the 1240 01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:23,720 Central Intelligence Agency, they were monitoring all this radio traffic, and this is 1241 01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:29,920 what the scene looked like. They put the craft on a trailer with a 1242 01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:33,279 tractor. They had a troop transport and a jeep up front, and they're 1243 01:37:33,279 --> 01:37:40,000 transporting this disshaped craft down this unimproved road and Martin, do you know what 1244 01:37:40,039 --> 01:37:47,479 happens next? Any idea? Is this the one where the military comes in? 1245 01:37:48,279 --> 01:37:51,560 Well? This is this is the case, Like there's a there's a 1246 01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:59,159 confrontation. Well, the Mexican military stops dead, the convoy stops dead, 1247 01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:03,680 and and there are military personnel that are slumped over on the steering wheel. 1248 01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:08,680 Oh yeah, yeah, half in and outside of the vehicle. They're laying 1249 01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:13,000 forward on the driver's side of the vehicle. Some of the other soldiers were 1250 01:38:13,319 --> 01:38:16,640 laying dead on the ground next to the jeeps. All of the Mexican military 1251 01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:20,880 were dead. And so we believe, according to Ruben and knowing that there 1252 01:38:20,920 --> 01:38:27,359 was a biological agent toxic two humans that was associated with this craft. So 1253 01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:32,680 we had two UH one helicopters and one H fifty three sea stallion fly in. 1254 01:38:33,439 --> 01:38:36,479 All of our boys are because they had a whole heads up on this. 1255 01:38:38,239 --> 01:38:40,520 You know, they had a clue about all this because they were monitoring 1256 01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:44,920 the radio traffic. So they come in with the H fifty three Sea stallion. 1257 01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:51,039 They attached this lanyard ropes to this craft. They hoisted up and they 1258 01:38:51,119 --> 01:38:56,159 ship this thing to CDC headquarters in Atlanta, Georgia. Now it took multiple 1259 01:38:56,199 --> 01:39:00,560 refuelings to get there, but that's where it was brought a course, according 1260 01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:02,920 to Ruben, so I want to go over just the helicopters in review. 1261 01:39:02,920 --> 01:39:08,720 Here we've got three beluh ones one H fifty three c stealing that are a 1262 01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:13,159 part of this retrieval operation. So let's go to the color illustration just to 1263 01:39:13,159 --> 01:39:15,920 give everybody an idea of what this retrieval operation looked like. So now we've 1264 01:39:15,960 --> 01:39:20,319 got the Sage fifty three. We've got the dead Mexican soldiers next to the 1265 01:39:20,399 --> 01:39:26,319 vehicle convoy. This craft has already been lifted off the trailer and they're moving 1266 01:39:26,319 --> 01:39:30,079 it to CDC headquarters. Now let's do a sixty degree angle look down, 1267 01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:33,359 just to give people an idea of what this may have looked like if we 1268 01:39:33,359 --> 01:39:38,479 were there and we're a part of the scene. So these are the kind 1269 01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:44,680 of operations, Martin, that represent the deepest, darkest secrets of the military, 1270 01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:50,319 intelligence, defense contractor community, because we're stealing these assets right up from 1271 01:39:50,439 --> 01:39:56,239 under the noses of another government. So these are some more of the deep 1272 01:39:56,279 --> 01:40:00,680 blood programs within the military industrial complex. I just wanted to go over a 1273 01:40:00,680 --> 01:40:05,680 couple of these cases with you, Martin, and it's clear that a lot 1274 01:40:05,680 --> 01:40:12,880 of this information needs to come out with congressional hearings. We have enough research 1275 01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:19,119 material and sources to track down these witnesses. Those witnesses could absolutely lead to 1276 01:40:19,239 --> 01:40:25,800 their bosses, and that would eventually lead to these underground facilities where the bodies 1277 01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:30,359 and the craft and the debris are being kept. And those types of pieces 1278 01:40:30,359 --> 01:40:33,399 of evidence need to come forward in congressional hearings so that we can get this 1279 01:40:33,560 --> 01:40:39,199 out into the public domain. Absolutely, thank you so much, Michael. 1280 01:40:39,199 --> 01:40:42,680 And you know you think about this, you know, I believe you said 1281 01:40:42,680 --> 01:40:46,000 one hundred and nineteen and you think about all we need is one. It's 1282 01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:48,840 all we need one. Yep. We just need one to get out there 1283 01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:55,600 and to actually be explained. That's it's been a real pleasure. I really 1284 01:40:55,920 --> 01:41:00,520 and really enjoyed it. Thank you for your amazing work. Oh, no 1285 01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:05,239 problem, no problem, that's great. Always conne you with Yeah, all 1286 01:41:05,319 --> 01:41:09,239 right, you take care now, okay, thanks take care all right? 1287 01:41:09,279 --> 01:41:12,800 Sure, yeah bye, all right. Everyone, we'll be back next week. 1288 01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:15,880 I've been hoping to get a confirmation from my guests before this evening, 1289 01:41:15,960 --> 01:41:19,960 but I do not, So if you'd like to sign up on our mailing 1290 01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:24,760 list, just go to podcastufo dot com or I believe if you are in 1291 01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:28,760 the live chat right now, pen to the top is where our newsletter is 1292 01:41:28,760 --> 01:41:31,880 so we have the upcoming guests and also blogs. So thank you so much 1293 01:41:31,880 --> 01:41:35,119 for hanging in. And remember, if you are listening to the audio, 1294 01:41:36,560 --> 01:41:41,720 I might try to put some pictures into the show notes, but at any 1295 01:41:41,800 --> 01:41:45,640 rate, you can check out the video. That YouTube video will be right 1296 01:41:45,680 --> 01:41:47,560 in the show notes and you can check that out for you know, so 1297 01:41:47,600 --> 01:41:51,079 you can get a visual of the things that we're talking about tonight. Thanks 1298 01:41:51,079 --> 01:42:00,680 so much, and remember to keep your eyes to the sky. The