WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:02.160 Today, I want to tell you about a journey that I've been on for 2 00:00:02.240 --> 00:00:05.120 most of my life. Ever since I was a kid, I've heard tales 3 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:09.199 of bigfoot and wild men while spending time with my friends and family. As 4 00:00:09.240 --> 00:00:12.759 I grew older and read more about the paranormal, my interest in encryptids and 5 00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:17.039 other things strange only deepened. That's why I'm so excited to share with you 6 00:00:17.079 --> 00:00:22.960 what I've personally become involved with the Untold Radio Network. The Untold Radio Network 7 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:27.480 is a live streaming podcast network that airs a new show every day across all 8 00:00:27.519 --> 00:00:31.839 podcast platforms, YouTube, and more. 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Yes, yes, I know aka 18 00:01:11.040 --> 00:01:36.879 Survivor Man, and you're listening to Brian on sasquatch Otis. Hey there, 19 00:01:36.879 --> 00:01:40.719 and welcome back to sasquatch Otis. Thank you so much for clicking play. 20 00:01:40.760 --> 00:01:42.599 It is Friday. I hope you're having a great week. We have an 21 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:46.439 amazing guest lined up for you. But as always, I want to start 22 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:49.760 by inviting you. If you've had anycounter and you'd like to be on the 23 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:53.120 show, shoot me an email. You can get me a Brian at Paranormoorldproductions 24 00:01:53.159 --> 00:01:56.000 dot com. Get head over to the website, check out the blog, 25 00:01:56.079 --> 00:02:00.599 become a member there and help support the show. I got sit down and 26 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:04.879 talk to Jeff. Jeff was on several months back. He came on and 27 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:07.680 shared the interesting encounter that he had as a kid back in the seventies with 28 00:02:07.759 --> 00:02:13.159 what he calls a white sasquatch right here in my home state of North Carolina. 29 00:02:13.240 --> 00:02:15.120 Jeff reached out contacted us said he wanted to come back on and share 30 00:02:15.159 --> 00:02:19.879 some more details about what happened back in the seventies with this white sasquatch, 31 00:02:20.319 --> 00:02:24.919 and he had a very interesting encounter here in the Yuori National Forest recently while 32 00:02:25.000 --> 00:02:29.479 out biking on the trails there. So I'll let Jeff tell you all about 33 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:31.159 that in just a second, really quickly. If you haven't already done so, 34 00:02:31.319 --> 00:02:36.000 particularly on Apple podcast and Spotify, if you haven't rated and reviewed the 35 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:38.800 show, we would definitely appreciate that. And if you want to pick up 36 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:42.520 a copy of my new book, Sasquatch Unleashed The Truth behind the Legend, 37 00:02:42.560 --> 00:02:46.360 you can head over to Paranormaloralproductions dot com, click on the store button right 38 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:47.639 there at the top of the page, and you can get an autographed, 39 00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:51.759 personalized copy of the book sent out to you. We do those a couple 40 00:02:51.800 --> 00:02:53.759 of times a week. But enough of that. I know you guys are 41 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:55.000 ready to get into it. Jeff's on the line, He's ready to go. 42 00:02:55.080 --> 00:02:59.120 All this left for you to do is sit back, relax, and 43 00:02:59.240 --> 00:03:24.280 enjoy the show. I want to welcome our guests back to the show. 44 00:03:24.319 --> 00:03:28.240 It is Jeff from North Carolina. Welcome back to the show man. Hey 45 00:03:28.280 --> 00:03:30.719 Brian, good to be here. I'm glad to have you. The last 46 00:03:30.719 --> 00:03:34.560 time you were here you shared some experiences that happened way back in the seventies, 47 00:03:34.960 --> 00:03:38.879 including the white Sasquatch, which everybody was enamored with, including myself. 48 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:40.599 Because we don't hear a ton of those stories, I know there's a follow 49 00:03:40.680 --> 00:03:44.680 up here. We're going to talk a little bit about what happened after those 50 00:03:44.879 --> 00:03:46.280 sidings. So why don't you just take us back to where you were, 51 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:50.360 what you were doing, and what happened to you. Okay, I think 52 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:53.759 where we ended on the last one with the white one was where he let 53 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:58.879 him go with the tree across the railroad road to the side of the road 54 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:02.800 that me and my friends were, stepped over a cow pastor fence and just 55 00:04:03.039 --> 00:04:08.159 casually walked away to the far end of the cow pasture in the still hurry 56 00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:12.159 moonlight, and disappeared at the far end of the pasture. At that point, 57 00:04:12.639 --> 00:04:15.439 me and my friend were still standing in the yard. Once he disappeared, 58 00:04:15.480 --> 00:04:19.560 we looked at each other decided what to do. I wanted to following 59 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:23.959 to see where he went. My friends seen the same way, but we 60 00:04:23.959 --> 00:04:27.519 were all very hesitant. I think we all took a couple steps forward, 61 00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:30.399 and then I was the first one to say wait a minute, This might 62 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:33.879 not be a good idea if he realizes that we're following him and he turns 63 00:04:33.920 --> 00:04:39.199 around. So I think we're all in agreement that hey, let's just go 64 00:04:39.279 --> 00:04:43.199 home and sleep on it and see if it's a still reality tomorrow morning. 65 00:04:43.279 --> 00:04:46.839 When I wake up, I went home. I was in my friend Mike's 66 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:48.959 yard at the end of our street. He was pretty scared, and I 67 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:53.519 think he was the youngest one. He ran up to his front porch where 68 00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:57.560 the porch wipe was still on, and we followed him up there and I 69 00:04:57.600 --> 00:04:59.399 asked him, I said, what do you want to do? He does, 70 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:01.879 I'm going to inside. He just opened the door and he was gone. 71 00:05:02.600 --> 00:05:05.040 So there's three of us out there. What do y'all want to do? 72 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:09.879 We're going home. Everyone went home. I lived the farthest up the 73 00:05:09.879 --> 00:05:13.560 street. I was nervous walking home, wondering if I would see him again. 74 00:05:13.639 --> 00:05:16.600 I didn't really think I would because we were at opposite directions. Long 75 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:20.879 story short, I got home. My mom was sitting up and I told 76 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:24.120 her I said, hey, I'm going to bed, and just walked into 77 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:27.639 my room, shut the door, and went to bed. The strange thing 78 00:05:27.759 --> 00:05:30.759 that happened. After that, I wanted to just go to bed, close 79 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:33.480 my eyes, get a good night's sleep, and forget about it. Wake 80 00:05:33.560 --> 00:05:38.319 up tomorrow morning and see if I remembered it the way that it appeared, 81 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:41.639 and just play in my ear. It was a lot to take the ind 82 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:44.959 and I just wanted to give a good night's sleep. As soon as I 83 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:48.519 got in bed, turned the light fell, I laying down and closed my 84 00:05:48.680 --> 00:05:53.920 eyes. Immediately. It was a huge shock to me. As soon as 85 00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:58.439 I closed my eyes, It's like a video started playing in my head of 86 00:05:58.519 --> 00:06:02.040 what I saw around to saw him shaking the tree as it was happening. 87 00:06:02.680 --> 00:06:06.439 That's where my mind picked up as something as like closed my eyes, I 88 00:06:06.480 --> 00:06:11.920 could see him shaking the tree again, standing you know, twenty feet away 89 00:06:11.959 --> 00:06:15.120 from me, and I sat straight up in bed, opened my eyes and 90 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:17.800 I was like, what is this? What's going on? Right? I 91 00:06:17.800 --> 00:06:21.360 couldn't understand why that was happening. That was the last thing that I'm going 92 00:06:21.600 --> 00:06:26.480 to see. I laid back down, closed my eyes again, tried to 93 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:30.639 forget about it, and the video picked up exactly in the same spot. 94 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:34.879 Long story, short decades later, and I've only started talking about this in 95 00:06:34.920 --> 00:06:38.800 the last maybe seven or eight years, And the more I talk about it, 96 00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:42.240 the more I learn what I was going through. As I was going 97 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:46.040 through it, it really had no clue what was happening or why, as 98 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:48.600 far as what my mind was doing trying to cope with what it saw. 99 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:53.879 A lot of people say, yeah, you're dealing with post traumatic stress syndrome, 100 00:06:54.040 --> 00:06:58.360 like reliving a traumatic event, trying to understand what's going on. And 101 00:06:58.480 --> 00:07:00.199 of course at that time, I've never heard of that, had no idea 102 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:05.000 what it was. I didn't even hear of that until maybe twenty years later. 103 00:07:05.439 --> 00:07:09.519 I didn't know what was going on. But for three weeks, every 104 00:07:09.639 --> 00:07:12.519 night I went to bed, this video would play in my head as and 105 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:15.879 as I lay down and closed my eyes, I couldn't make it stop. 106 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:19.439 It always started right where I turned around and saw him shaking the tree. 107 00:07:19.959 --> 00:07:23.920 I saw him let go over the tree, walk across the road, step 108 00:07:23.959 --> 00:07:27.920 over the cow pasture fence, disappear into the moonlight, and then the video 109 00:07:27.920 --> 00:07:32.399 would start over. It would play constantly until I fell asleep. You've heard 110 00:07:32.399 --> 00:07:36.680 of people counting sheep until they fall asleep. I was watching this video until 111 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:41.759 I fell asleep, and I couldn't control it. I kept trying to make 112 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:44.839 it stop so I could just have an RM night sleep. The third night 113 00:07:45.040 --> 00:07:48.600 it started playing, and about halfway through I got to a point mentally where 114 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:54.000 I can pulse it for a second and then it would start again. So 115 00:07:54.240 --> 00:07:59.439 to me, that was a huge stepping stone work. I felt like I 116 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:03.279 was gaining control of it. Three or four and ice later I could pause 117 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:07.199 it in several spots. Finally got to a coin I think a week later, 118 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:09.639 where I could stop it and just free frame it to any point that 119 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:15.240 I wanted. I realized, you know what, this is actually a pretty 120 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:18.560 cool tool to use to look at it. I could look at it anytime 121 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:22.120 I wanted. By going to bed and just closing my eyes and stopping this 122 00:08:22.279 --> 00:08:28.199 video, I could see detail that I couldn't see before. I was very 123 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:31.679 careful to make sure that what my brain was showing me and what I'm seeing 124 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:35.759 in my hand was accurate to what I actually saw when it happened, instead 125 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:39.960 of my brain just making up something or changing it. Once I got to 126 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:45.639 the point where I could pause it where I wanted to, I started examining. 127 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:48.679 I could look at its head, its feet, its hands, a 128 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:52.480 tree. Whatever my eyes saw when it happened. I couldn't zoom in on 129 00:08:52.559 --> 00:08:56.399 it or anything. I couldn't change it. I could just freeze it and 130 00:08:56.480 --> 00:09:01.600 look at I couldn't see anything that would give it away as fake, as 131 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:05.480 something different than what I thought it was when I first saw it. I 132 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:07.960 think it was like I said, After three days, I could pause it. 133 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:11.279 About a week later, I could pause it anywhere I wanted and then 134 00:09:11.720 --> 00:09:15.879 hit play in my brain and let it play again. I still couldn't make 135 00:09:15.919 --> 00:09:20.039 it stop. After three weeks of this going on every night, I got 136 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:24.080 to where I could just turn it off and get back to a normal might 137 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:28.840 sweep, but I was still so interested in that I would turn it on 138 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:33.240 and just look at certain portions of it that I was interested in it. 139 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:37.600 I think it was the third week right after where I can he's turn it 140 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:41.039 off. I realized where he was shaking the tree. He was facing the 141 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:46.320 tree. His feet were parallel to each other. He didn't have one foot 142 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:48.120 in front of the other, like leaning into it. He didn't need to. 143 00:09:48.440 --> 00:09:52.279 He was strong enough, or he could just shake it with his hands. 144 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:56.320 When he pulled the tree back to wing, his hands were right at 145 00:09:56.360 --> 00:10:01.240 his forehead level. All he was moving was says to his hands and just 146 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:05.960 moving it back and forth. Nothing else on his body was moving. He 147 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:09.440 was shaking the entire tree like this. When he pulled it back to him, 148 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:13.440 his hands were right in front of his forehead and he would push it 149 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:16.960 away again, and of course the top of the tree was whipping. I 150 00:10:16.159 --> 00:10:20.679 paused it in one of those sections where he pulled it back to his forehead. 151 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:24.960 That's where I had a huge revelation where I could see how long his 152 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:30.120 arms were. I sat up in bed and I tried it myself. There 153 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:33.120 was a little bit of gap in between hitting his elbows and his ribber cage. 154 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:35.759 Where he had a hold of a tree like this, I could feel 155 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:39.399 a little bit of space in between his ribs and his elbows. And of 156 00:10:39.399 --> 00:10:43.000 course, when the human put your elbows out in front of you, your 157 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:48.360 hands nactively comfortable about your chin. Right He had the same spacing right here, 158 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:52.200 but his forearms were warm enough where his hands were way up here. 159 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:56.600 If you put your hands in front of your forehead, your elbows are going 160 00:10:56.679 --> 00:11:00.360 to be way out in front of If your forearms were longer, do it 161 00:11:00.440 --> 00:11:03.080 right here, still have long enough core arms where your hands would be up 162 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:07.559 here. So his forearms were like this long, and that's where I sat 163 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:11.519 up in bed. I was like, okay, this confirms more of what 164 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:13.559 I thought it was instantly. This is not a human being. This is 165 00:11:13.960 --> 00:11:18.279 not someone in his suit. No one has arms this long. If it 166 00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:22.679 is someone in a suit and you still have control of your hands and strong 167 00:11:22.759 --> 00:11:26.919 enough to shake a tree like this, it's gonna be in the Guinness World 168 00:11:26.919 --> 00:11:30.320 Book of Records for probably the best eight suit out there back in the seventies. 169 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:33.840 So that was a big revelation, and that kind of encouraged me to 170 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:37.279 keep looking at it and to make sure that I didn't change what I was 171 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:41.039 seeing, because I didn't notice that while it was happening, but once I 172 00:11:41.080 --> 00:11:46.279 could freeze it and look at each almost individual frame, that's one of the 173 00:11:46.279 --> 00:11:50.279 things I noticed. I could see a little bit of his fingers grabbing the 174 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:54.480 tree, not much until he let go of it. But about I said, 175 00:11:54.519 --> 00:11:56.840 three weeks total, I got to where I could stop it. Then 176 00:11:58.600 --> 00:12:01.399 probably the next six month, and I can still do it today. I 177 00:12:01.399 --> 00:12:03.600 can pull up that video and it's still the same as it was back in 178 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:07.960 the seventies. There's really no need for me to do that. I've got 179 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:11.600 it memorized. But once I got past that point, that was, like 180 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:16.360 I said, three weeks to six months down the road to get back to 181 00:12:16.399 --> 00:12:20.440 what we were. The point of this whole story, as that started on 182 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:24.519 the first night after I saw him. The very next morning, I went 183 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:28.080 back down to Mike's house where we're laying hide and seek, knocked on his 184 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:31.480 door. He told his brother of what had happened. His brother's name was 185 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:35.200 Trump. Trump was a couple of years older than me, two or three 186 00:12:35.279 --> 00:12:39.559 years older than Mike. One of our other friends, David, was back 187 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:43.320 down in mike shard at the next morning. Also because we all were trying 188 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:46.279 to figure out is this what we really saw? And we were comparing what 189 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:50.879 we saw and where we saw it, and we all decided, me, 190 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:54.080 Mike, Tripp, and David, let's walk across the gravel road to the 191 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:56.879 tree, see if we can find the tree he was shaking. We were 192 00:12:56.960 --> 00:13:01.480 like in a line. I was far left, we had Mike Trip and 193 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:05.120 David on my right, and we just started walking across the road and I 194 00:13:05.200 --> 00:13:07.120 was the only one who saw him shake the tree because he was right behind 195 00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:11.399 me to begin with. So I went back to the exact same spot I 196 00:13:11.480 --> 00:13:15.559 was standing, walked across the road the first tree I looked at where I 197 00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:18.080 thought, I'm like, no, that doesn't look like the right one to 198 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:22.200 me, and I backed up a little bit saw another one that may have 199 00:13:22.279 --> 00:13:26.039 been it, and I walked up to it, and it was the right 200 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:30.159 color, the right type of tree. And I looked at the tree trying 201 00:13:30.159 --> 00:13:33.919 to see if I could see anything. If I reached my arm as high 202 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:37.039 as I could stood on my toes, I could reach something that looked like 203 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:43.399 claw marks on the tree. I remember thinking to myself, do bigfoot or 204 00:13:43.399 --> 00:13:46.440 sass flush Do they have crawls? They didn't make sense. I didn't think 205 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:50.840 they did. Nowadays, I know if they are a primate. Primates do 206 00:13:50.919 --> 00:13:56.480 not have clothes, but I've seen plenty of guerrilla pictures where they have sharp 207 00:13:56.519 --> 00:14:00.279 cringer mills. But there was only three of them on one side of the 208 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:03.639 tree facing me, and I was like, who knows how many fingers they 209 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:07.559 have? I didn't know. So I looked at that and I told myself, 210 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:11.159 all right, let's look on the other side of the tree and see 211 00:14:11.159 --> 00:14:15.879 if there's three more. I went really slowly, just preparing myself there's not 212 00:14:15.919 --> 00:14:20.960 going to be anything there, and maybe what we saw was all a hallucination. 213 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:22.759 I slowly looked around the other side of the tree, and there were 214 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:26.960 three conworks on that side of the tree where each hand would be, and 215 00:14:28.080 --> 00:14:31.799 they were both coming down like this, towards where the creature was holding on 216 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:35.000 to it or towards him. And again I was just blown away. I 217 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:39.159 was like, Okay, what we saw was apparently real, and it's as 218 00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:43.080 real as we thought it was. But I still was confused. While there 219 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:46.120 were cloneworks, and while they're only three on each side of the tree. 220 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:50.480 I put my hands around the tree, at least at my height, just 221 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:52.720 to see how being the tree was. I could touch my thong was, 222 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:58.000 but my metal fingers wouldn't quite touch. So it was probably that big, 223 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:03.279 which is probably forty five in diameter, my opinion, is something easy enough 224 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:05.799 for how well built he was to shake it the way he was shaking. 225 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:09.200 I tried shaking it. I couldn't move it. And I've been trying my 226 00:15:09.320 --> 00:15:13.840 whole life when I go hiking or camping to find trees of the similar size 227 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:18.200 to see if I can shake them, and not very well. But I 228 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:20.919 told them come here a little this tree. They all looked at it, 229 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:24.679 and we was like, okay, cool, let's continue further in the woods. 230 00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:30.639 And for some reason, this section of the woods it always felt wrong. 231 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:35.039 It always felt weird. Even friends that I know that lived on that 232 00:15:35.080 --> 00:15:39.320 street that didn't see what we saw that night, they told me beforehand, 233 00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:43.000 before I ever saw this white one. And I asked one of my friends 234 00:15:43.039 --> 00:15:46.759 because we had bike trails on the other side of it, to the right, 235 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:48.200 and I said, why don't we ever go in this section of the 236 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:52.039 woods. One of my friends told me, he goes. It just feels 237 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:54.519 weird. He goes, it feels wrong. And I was like, how 238 00:15:54.559 --> 00:15:56.480 do you know he goes. I went in there one time. I made 239 00:15:56.480 --> 00:16:00.759 it about in or twenty feet and it felt so wrong or weird either. 240 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:03.879 I turned around and came back. I just left it that. I didn't 241 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:07.759 ask him any more questions. I was trying to understand what he was talking 242 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:10.840 about. And I think probably a month or two later, I was down 243 00:16:10.879 --> 00:16:12.720 there myself, and the kind of person I am, I'm going to find 244 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:17.159 out what's over there, or I'm going to see if it feels weird to 245 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:19.559 me. So I walked in that section of the woods and I made it 246 00:16:19.639 --> 00:16:22.720 about the same distance. As soon as you get into that section, like 247 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:26.919 ten steps, it just feels weird. Man. It doesn't feel like you're 248 00:16:26.960 --> 00:16:33.600 being watched. It doesn't feel like something's evil there. It just feels like. 249 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:37.960 My initial fault was if I keep going, it feels like I'm going 250 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:44.240 to run into someone with a shotgun or like I'm trespassing. You know, 251 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:47.120 I never thought of I'm going to run into a big foot. I just 252 00:16:47.159 --> 00:16:51.080 felt like, I keep going, it feels like I'm trespassing and it's going 253 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:53.919 to be dangerous for me to continue. And the only thought that popped into 254 00:16:53.919 --> 00:16:57.320 my head was I might run into someone with a shotgun that I don't know 255 00:16:57.440 --> 00:17:00.960 was back there. So I turned around and came back out. That next 256 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:04.839 morning, as me and my friends found the tree, we progressed further past 257 00:17:04.920 --> 00:17:08.119 the tree. You know, we were walking in a line and we're all 258 00:17:08.119 --> 00:17:11.119 looking down on the ground as we're walking, trying to see if we saw 259 00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:15.119 anything. I think it was after we came back out, I found one 260 00:17:15.160 --> 00:17:19.319 footprint between where I was standing in on one side of the road and he 261 00:17:19.519 --> 00:17:22.680 was shaking the tree on the other side. At the on the edge of 262 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:27.519 a gravel road where all the leaves gather. They were wet and it didn't 263 00:17:27.559 --> 00:17:32.440 rain, but I think it was just moisture from being overnight. I found 264 00:17:32.519 --> 00:17:36.759 one footprint that looked like a footprint. I bent down to look at it 265 00:17:36.839 --> 00:17:40.839 and just stared at it until my eyes got adjusted to it, and the 266 00:17:40.880 --> 00:17:44.480 longer eye looked at it. It looks like a footprint. You could see 267 00:17:44.519 --> 00:17:47.240 toes, you could see a hill, you could see the shape of a 268 00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:52.480 print. But since the leaves were wet, I thought this is probably where 269 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:56.000 he stepped on it the night before, and it has come back up a 270 00:17:56.000 --> 00:17:59.400 little bit to where the rest of the leaves were, but not fully since 271 00:17:59.440 --> 00:18:03.839 there were still wet. I swatted down, put my elbows on my knees, 272 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:06.759 and just stared at it till I could see what I'm looking in. 273 00:18:07.319 --> 00:18:11.200 And it was about as wide as my knees were apart, which is probably 274 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:15.759 ten inches eleven inches nowadays, I know that's not very big. I've heard 275 00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:18.759 a lot bigger footprints than that. But I didn't touch it, I didn't 276 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:22.599 step in it. I didn't put my foot beside it. To me, 277 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:26.799 it was just gathering evidence for me of okay, this is possible a footprint, 278 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:30.079 but I only saw one. I think that was after we came out, 279 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:36.039 as we're still walking in the woods looking for other things. We go 280 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:40.359 about five minutes in the wood. I don't remember exactly how far it was, 281 00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:42.359 but we're taking our time, so maybe not very far, maybe fifty 282 00:18:42.400 --> 00:18:47.359 yards or one hundred yards. We get to what I see first. It 283 00:18:47.400 --> 00:18:51.400 looks like you can see through the trees. It was an overcast day, 284 00:18:51.440 --> 00:18:55.720 but it looks like there's more sunlight coming up than the section of woods that 285 00:18:55.759 --> 00:18:59.640 were in. I kept walking about another ten or fifteen steps, and I 286 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:03.839 can see there's a clearing in the woods. It looked like a kidney shape, 287 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:07.400 not quite a perfect oval, but just a kidney shaped. And I'm 288 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:11.880 on the side of it, coming up to it. It's about probably about 289 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:15.319 fifty yards long and maybe twenty thirty yards wide, maybe like the size of 290 00:19:15.319 --> 00:19:19.400 a tennis court, but almost kidney shaped. And there were no trees, 291 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:26.880 no grass, no shrubs, no nothing in this clearing. It was just 292 00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:29.680 trees all the way around it up to that point. And on the other 293 00:19:29.759 --> 00:19:33.799 side I lit. They were continuing of the woods. They're two small fap 294 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:38.839 wings almost in the center, probably just an inch or two thick. I 295 00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:42.920 took one step into this clearing to see what it was. I stopped, 296 00:19:44.440 --> 00:19:48.599 and that's when the smell hit me. Of what I've learned is what other 297 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:52.240 people, some people say they smell when they see a bit foot or assatsquatch. 298 00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:56.839 That to me, it was a wet dog skunk smell, but ten 299 00:19:56.920 --> 00:20:00.079 times worse than that. And I just stopped, and I looked over at 300 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:03.920 my friends to see if what they were doing, and they hadn't quite made 301 00:20:03.960 --> 00:20:08.000 it to the clearing yet. My friend Mike, his brother Trump, was 302 00:20:08.079 --> 00:20:11.160 two people down for me. He looked up almost at the same time and 303 00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:15.119 saw that I stopped, and he looked at me it was wrong. And 304 00:20:15.160 --> 00:20:18.799 I just motioned for him like this was like keep walking because he wasn't quite 305 00:20:18.839 --> 00:20:22.480 at the clearing yet. He took a couple more steps. He took one 306 00:20:22.480 --> 00:20:26.039 step in it, and he stopped, and you could see him his head 307 00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:29.960 looked up like this, and he looked at me. I was like, 308 00:20:30.039 --> 00:20:32.119 yeah, you smell it too. I did say that, but we were 309 00:20:32.160 --> 00:20:34.880 just visually looking at each other, and I backed up a couple of steps 310 00:20:34.920 --> 00:20:38.599 to get out of the clearing. Once you take one step out of that 311 00:20:38.599 --> 00:20:44.799 clearing, there is no smell. It smells like perfect pine needles and woods 312 00:20:44.839 --> 00:20:48.440 and trees and everything normal. He take one step back in the clearing, 313 00:20:48.440 --> 00:20:52.880 which I did. That smell is in the clearing only. And I've always 314 00:20:52.920 --> 00:21:00.000 wondered in nature, how would anything contain a smell to a certain area without 315 00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:04.279 the wind blowing it whichever way the wind wanted to do. But that's what 316 00:21:04.400 --> 00:21:10.079 I encountered. My friends verified it. His brother Mike, was white just 317 00:21:10.119 --> 00:21:12.319 about thirty seconds behind us. He stepped into it and looked at us. 318 00:21:12.599 --> 00:21:15.400 He could smell it, so we all knew we're smelling the same thing. 319 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:21.240 So once I got over the smell, I took a couple more steps in 320 00:21:21.279 --> 00:21:25.279 it, looking around. I wasn't sure if the white one that we saw 321 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:30.480 was like on the outside of it looking at us, or was going to 322 00:21:30.559 --> 00:21:33.920 be pissed off that we're in his property or his territory, or maybe he 323 00:21:34.039 --> 00:21:38.519 was out doing something and we're definitely in the wrong spot if he comes back. 324 00:21:40.119 --> 00:21:42.359 We all felt kind of nervous being there, but we wanted to just 325 00:21:42.400 --> 00:21:47.000 look around and see what we could see. That's when I quit paying attention 326 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:51.240 to the smell and just looked up and around me and almost in the very 327 00:21:51.319 --> 00:21:53.920 center of this clearing. The only way I can describe it, and I've 328 00:21:53.920 --> 00:22:00.400 never heard any other witness interview podcast, or anyone on television say they've seen 329 00:22:00.440 --> 00:22:06.519 anything like this. I call it a wooden igloo. I walked up to 330 00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:10.839 it to figure out what it was. It was about just below my cap 331 00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:14.920 or above my knees, about two to three feet tall. It was branches 332 00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:18.920 about as big as round as maybe my middle finger, maybe your thumb, 333 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:23.079 that were woven together and the shape of an igloo and placed in the middle 334 00:22:23.079 --> 00:22:26.799 of disc variant. It had an igloo looking door on one side of it, 335 00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:30.880 an Alaskan igloo would have, but it was made out of branches. 336 00:22:30.559 --> 00:22:33.200 I walked up to it and looked at it, trying to figure out what 337 00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:38.680 it was. It was an overcast day, so inside of this wooden woven 338 00:22:38.720 --> 00:22:42.240 structure it was dark. I couldn't see inside of it, even though there 339 00:22:42.279 --> 00:22:48.400 were spaces between the branches. I put one of my fingers into one of 340 00:22:48.440 --> 00:22:51.079 the holes just to see if I could fit my finger through it, and 341 00:22:51.119 --> 00:22:55.880 I couldn't. It was that tightening woven two green leaves on two of the 342 00:22:55.920 --> 00:22:59.079 sticks. The rest of them you can see where the leaves had been pulled 343 00:22:59.079 --> 00:23:02.920 off. There was one green leaf on my side and one green leaf on 344 00:23:02.960 --> 00:23:06.599 the other. I was standing right over it, and by then my friends 345 00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:08.920 had walked up and were standing behind it on the other side, and We're 346 00:23:08.920 --> 00:23:14.200 all looking at each other. What is this? Whatever it is, something 347 00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:18.519 with hands made it, And at this point I'm going, yeah, it's 348 00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:22.920 either a homeless person living in the woods or whatever. This thing, this 349 00:23:22.960 --> 00:23:26.400 white one that I saw. Maybe he made it for some reason, but 350 00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:30.200 we really had no idea what it was. I was trying to figure it 351 00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:33.839 out more since he was right behind me the night before. I walked around 352 00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:37.519 to the front of it, bit down to look inside of it, to 353 00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:41.720 see what was inside of it. I expected to see a couple of eyes 354 00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:44.440 looking at me, and I didn't really want to see that, but that's 355 00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:48.279 what I was expecting. And the closest thing to this would be my face. 356 00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:52.759 So I'm like, if something comes out of here, my face is 357 00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:56.400 going to be the closest thing that it gets. Thankfully, I didn't see 358 00:23:56.440 --> 00:23:59.799 anything. I stood back up and I looked at them. I forgot, 359 00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:02.920 I said, but we all had this feeling that we need to get out 360 00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:07.240 of here before this whatever, maybe this comes back, or maybe it felt 361 00:24:07.240 --> 00:24:10.680 they're watching this right now if it gets pissed off, like I said, 362 00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:14.079 if we do something that it doesn't like. Maybe there's more than one. 363 00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:17.200 At first, I thought it was for a baby one, and that's why 364 00:24:17.240 --> 00:24:19.599 I bent down and looked in it. I'm like, there's no way what 365 00:24:19.839 --> 00:24:22.599 I saw, this big white one could fit in there, and I'm like, 366 00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:26.000 okay, maybe it's for a baby. I looked in there, and 367 00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:29.200 I'm like, I just don't think a baby could fit in there. Probably 368 00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:33.119 until the last five years, I had no idea what it was. Never 369 00:24:33.160 --> 00:24:37.400 heard anyone else say they've seen anything like that, other than people have said 370 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:42.119 they seen nests that were woven together. There's no way this was a nest. 371 00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:45.000 And the only thing that I thought of in the last five years, 372 00:24:45.079 --> 00:24:49.519 and it took me four decades to come up with this. Maybe it was 373 00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:55.519 a container for a live animal that it would catch, like a rabbit. 374 00:24:55.720 --> 00:24:59.799 Whatever put in there, put a rock in front of it, and you 375 00:24:59.839 --> 00:25:03.200 have a meal waiting for you whenever you want it. And I'm not saying 376 00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:07.240 that's what it was. I'm not even saying that makes sense. That's the 377 00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:11.119 only idea that I've come up with in over four decades of thinking about this. 378 00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:15.599 And I even talked to I think I emailed Matt Kruit a long time 379 00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:21.400 ago, like back in sixteen or seventeen and discussed the white one and how 380 00:25:21.599 --> 00:25:25.440 unusual that was. And I just emailed him, probably not a month ago, 381 00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:27.480 and it's been six or seven years since I talked to him and told 382 00:25:27.559 --> 00:25:30.039 him the same thing. I said, Hey, the only idea I've come 383 00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:36.119 up for that structure is maybe it was like a holding container. And he 384 00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:41.000 goes, yeah, every report that I've heard they'll dispatch any animal immediately once 385 00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:44.359 they catch it. It's dead immediately. I'm like, yeah, that's what 386 00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:47.480 I thought. I said, if you put a rock in front of it, 387 00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:48.839 whatever you put in there is not going to be able to get out. 388 00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:53.200 A raccoon could probably figure it out. Stuff like birds or rabbits or 389 00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:57.000 turtles, whatever you find in a crete put in there, put a rock 390 00:25:57.039 --> 00:26:00.359 in front of it, it'll be there. That's the strangest thing. That 391 00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:04.440 we found other than the tree with the call marks on it, and the 392 00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:10.519 smell only contained in the clearing. And after that we all looked through each 393 00:26:10.559 --> 00:26:12.799 other. Yeah, we need to get out of here and stay tuned for 394 00:26:12.880 --> 00:26:17.160 more sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back. After these messages, 395 00:26:19.880 --> 00:26:23.519 we turned around came back out of the woods, and I think we were 396 00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:26.720 all scared at that point where we all said, Okay, I'm going home. 397 00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:30.519 I think that's when I stopped long enough to find what I thought was 398 00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:36.119 a footprat, and that kind of scared me even more because if that's where 399 00:26:36.119 --> 00:26:40.039 he was standing when he was behind me shaking the tree, he was only 400 00:26:40.039 --> 00:26:44.119 about ten feet behind me, So I don't know if he was already in 401 00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:47.400 the woods when I came down there and was playing to hide and seek and 402 00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:51.920 picked my hiding spot, if he saw me walk down there, or did 403 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:55.720 he walk up behind me and all of a sudden see me and then go 404 00:26:55.799 --> 00:26:57.599 further into the woods and grab the tree. Hey, you need to get 405 00:26:57.599 --> 00:27:03.359 out of here. The feeling of knowing at some point he was only that 406 00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:06.240 just I'm on one side of the gravel road and he's right on the very 407 00:27:06.319 --> 00:27:08.799 edge of the other side of the gravel road. So that kind of freaked 408 00:27:08.839 --> 00:27:12.200 me out. That's what I had for four deck games to deal with and 409 00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:15.839 try to figure out. It's definitely a lot to process at that age. 410 00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:21.319 Even going through it over the next four decades, Like you said, there's 411 00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:23.640 a lot to unpack there. There's a lot of things that clearly you didn't 412 00:27:23.720 --> 00:27:26.839 understand it for the most part. I think it's safe to say probably still 413 00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:32.240 don't understand about those experiences. But I think it's awesome that you guys went 414 00:27:32.319 --> 00:27:37.480 back and actually found some physical evidence. It is evidence. You found claw 415 00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:41.359 marks, you found footprints, you found this structure. I just wish that 416 00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:42.920 it had to have been in the early seventies and you had actually had a 417 00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:48.279 cell phone or some way to document it, or even the cognitive ability to 418 00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:52.359 even know to be able to document some of that, take pictures of the 419 00:27:52.519 --> 00:27:56.400 footprints, and even cast it would have been great. But obviously hindsight's twenty 420 00:27:56.440 --> 00:28:00.640 twenty, our cameras were pretty much non existent. I remember when I saw 421 00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:03.799 him shaking the tree. I could have ran home and grabbed our camera, 422 00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:07.200 but was there any film in it? Those cameras back and then had to 423 00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:11.279 have a flash on top of it. There's no way I was going to 424 00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:17.319 leave what I was looking at because I knew how incredible it was to try 425 00:28:17.319 --> 00:28:19.079 to go home and grab a camera or come back and have him still be 426 00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:22.799 there where I could take a picture of him. I thought about it the 427 00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:26.960 next day when I saw the structure, and I didn't know anything about Cassine 428 00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:30.079 footprints, but I thought about it the next day when I went home. 429 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:33.480 When we left, I think I actually picked up the camera and looked at 430 00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:37.359 it to see if there were any flashes and film. I think the flashes 431 00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:40.200 were. There was two or three left, but there was no film with 432 00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:42.960 it, so at that point I could have asked my mom, Hey, 433 00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:47.480 can we go get some film. I just did not feel like going back 434 00:28:47.480 --> 00:28:51.720 in there, especially by myself, especially after I think six months before that 435 00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:55.519 being charged by whatever it was that was knocking trees over trying to get to 436 00:28:55.559 --> 00:28:59.839 me. I still cannot go back out in the woods at night by my 437 00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:03.000 so it just freaks me out. I'll go as far as I want to 438 00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:07.799 in the woods day hiking mountain biking. I go mountain biking up in British 439 00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:12.200 Columbia by myself as far this trail that I can get away from the humans, 440 00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:17.759 and I love it. But I'm looking around every tree. I'm wondering 441 00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:21.720 what's gonna step out. It doesn't bother me because it's daylight, but a 442 00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:25.640 lot of times, just going in my local woods at night, right down 443 00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:27.160 the street from where I live now, I had to give up that part 444 00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:30.720 of my life, walking through the woods at night trying to be quiet. 445 00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:34.839 I used to sit down by the tree until all the animals got used to 446 00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:37.880 me and started making noise again and just become part of nature. And I 447 00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:42.440 haven't done that in forty years, just because those two incidents, like we 448 00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:48.559 talked about earlier, four decades went by before I had the next encounter. 449 00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:51.960 And you are a national forest. I can tell you about that if you're 450 00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:56.599 interested. Yeah, absolutely, I'm going to you. Worry when our local 451 00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:00.599 trails are soaked with rain because they close our trails so the people that maintain 452 00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:03.160 them and build them, they don't want you riding on them and tear them 453 00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:07.839 up when they're muddy. So that's one of the reasons I go to Uori. 454 00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:11.000 It really doesn't close just because it's a national forest. And when I 455 00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:15.359 go. It's when I have a week day off of work. If I'm 456 00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:19.599 working a Saturday, I get one day off during the week while everyone else 457 00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:23.079 is at work, and I know it's coming in advance, so I usually 458 00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:26.880 the day before that week day off, I throw my mountain bike in the 459 00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:30.200 car and I know I'm going to Uori. Is whether they're committing, as 460 00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:34.000 long as it's not horrible. But I do go to bed the night before 461 00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:40.319 thinking about the rumors of what I've heard as in Uori and the stories of 462 00:30:40.359 --> 00:30:42.799 what other people said, and what I may run into there, and do 463 00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:47.440 I actually want to go out there by myself. I always have to think 464 00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:51.279 about it long and hard before I go to bed. I'm like, nothing 465 00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:55.599 has happened in four decades where the odds and I survived the two back in 466 00:30:55.640 --> 00:31:00.400 the seventies, even though I still have fear about them. Talk to you 467 00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:03.200 and talking to Matt and you know, a couple of my friends helped out 468 00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:07.480 a lot since I started talking about it. But I still think about it 469 00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:11.359 the night before I go to you are and I'm like, Okay, if 470 00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:15.359 it happens, I'll deal with it. I think right before COVID hit, 471 00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:19.720 it was the fall of maybe twenty eighteen. It was a Monday morning at 472 00:31:19.759 --> 00:31:23.640 nine o'clock. I showed up and you are. There's a parking lot right 473 00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:27.200 beside the road where you could park there, hop on your bike and hit 474 00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:32.920 the trails. There's also from that parking lot the gravel road that goes a 475 00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:36.880 mile and a half further back into Uari for a second parking lot, which 476 00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:41.640 is where the mountain bike parker trails actually start. There's a connector trail from 477 00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:45.079 the front one to the rear parking lot. I love going to the rear 478 00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:48.000 parking lot, but these no one's ever there. I'm the only one there. 479 00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:52.119 I have fifty five thousand acres of you are a national forest to myself. 480 00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:56.640 If I'm lucky, i'll see one park ranger. Normally it's a lady 481 00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:00.279 that always wishes me hey have a good ride. Than I never see Urgon 482 00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:05.839 this day, there was one other car in the back parking lot. They 483 00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:08.839 were on a hiking trail. They had hiking equipment, no bike equipment. 484 00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:13.519 I could see everything in their truck. They were sitting there eating breakfast. 485 00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:16.960 Both people were accounted for. There was gear only for two people. I 486 00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:22.480 kept watching them to see if there was more people in that truck or in 487 00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:25.039 that campsite, to see if I may run into somebody else on the trail. 488 00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:29.720 And while I was getting ready, I made a decision, Yeah, 489 00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:32.559 it's just those two people and they had no bike equipment, so I'm going 490 00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:36.480 to be the only one on the bike trail, which I was very happy 491 00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:39.440 to have the whole trail of myself. I get about halfway through the first 492 00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:44.519 trail, which goes even further back into your worry. It's about a six 493 00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:47.680 mile trail, but it goes about three miles further back before the loop turns 494 00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:52.960 around and comes back to the parking lot. I'm at the furthest section in 495 00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:58.079 on a really steep climb. It's the hardest part of the trail. It's 496 00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:00.599 rocky and rudy. You got a climb over rocks and roots to get over 497 00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:06.119 everything. It's a difficult climb, but once you get ninety percent of the 498 00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:09.039 way of the climb, it smoothed out, but you still got to climb 499 00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:13.279 the hill until you crest the top to go back and down the other side. 500 00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:17.559 I'm past the difficult section and it's just me. I'm probably peddling at 501 00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:22.119 walking speed because I'm just trying to catch my breath. I'm making it this 502 00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:25.839 far. I'm staring straight down and just watching my feet pedal. I'm just 503 00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:30.319 trying to keep slowly going until i make it to the top. I have 504 00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:34.200 my eyes open, like I said, I'm watching my feet, and I'm 505 00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:37.640 going probably two to three miles an hour. All of a sudden, the 506 00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:40.559 rock landed right beside my left foot. It's like something just throw a rock 507 00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:45.839 at me. I land beside my left foot. I don't even have to 508 00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:47.880 turn my head. I just shift my eyes over to where it hit the 509 00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:52.359 ground, and I watch it bounce off the ground and spinning in the air, 510 00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:54.799 and I watch it land by my rear tire because I'm still going forward 511 00:33:54.799 --> 00:34:00.680 a little bit, and I immediately knew what may be happening. I didn't 512 00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:02.039 jump to the conclusion, Okay, it's got to be a big foot throw 513 00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:06.319 on a rock at me. I was just like, Okay, something just 514 00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:09.199 threw a rock at me. And I stared at it and I almost stopped 515 00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:13.159 to pick it up to make sure it was a rock and not an acorn 516 00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:15.880 that fell out of a tree or a pine coal. And when I saw 517 00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:20.199 it hit the ground and stop. It was a quartz rop. You could 518 00:34:20.199 --> 00:34:22.320 see it, and there's tons of quartz in you area. It was about 519 00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:25.360 the size of a big marble. It might be like if you had a 520 00:34:25.400 --> 00:34:29.360 half dollar all the way around. Maybe a little bit smaller than that, 521 00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:32.159 you know. I was like, Okay, something just threw a rock at 522 00:34:32.199 --> 00:34:37.440 me. Maybe there's a homeless person in the woods. I don't know. 523 00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:39.840 I'm just gonna keep going because I'm by myself. I had no silk one 524 00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:44.960 reception, there's no roads nearby, and I'm the only person out here, 525 00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:49.239 and I'm not carrying a gum. I'm not carrying anything other than my cel 526 00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:52.239 phone. I'm just using it for my stats. As far as the ride 527 00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:57.519 than I have, I knew with my past already. I just need to 528 00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:00.800 keep peddling and get out of here. And there are some sections and you 529 00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:02.719 worry. When you ride by yourself, you get a feeling that you're being 530 00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:08.079 watched. The temperature dropped. This wasn't one of those sections. Everything felt 531 00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:13.760 normal that day until that rock landed beside me. I pedaled about four or 532 00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:16.119 five times. Well, I'm staring straight down when I saw the rock, 533 00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:20.719 and finally I realized, hey, look up, quit looking down, but 534 00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:22.800 something maybe in front of it. And I immediately jerked my head up. 535 00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:25.280 There's nothing in front of me. I look to the left, the right, 536 00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:30.400 turned around behind me. I don't see anything. Everything's dead quiet. 537 00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:32.760 That's when I'm like, okay, don't stop, don't pick it up, 538 00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:37.760 just keep going. I made about five or six more petals off to my 539 00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:43.079 right. This time I hear. It was back to back, two different 540 00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:47.960 sounds. I hear one hundred percent what it sounded like was wood hitting wood. 541 00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:53.760 It was so loud, I instinctively duffed, I'm on my bike. 542 00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:59.280 I just pulled my chin down into my chest like this, immediately thinking a 543 00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:04.119 cannon ball or a bullet was gonna go whizzing past my head. It was 544 00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:07.960 louder than gunfire beside your ear. It was the loudest sound I've ever heard 545 00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:12.880 in the woods. I don't know how any person, where, any animal 546 00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:15.920 would make a sound this loud. But as soon as I heard that sound, 547 00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:20.440 it was like at my five o'clock position. Like I said, I 548 00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:23.239 ducked as I'm riding my bike. A split second later, I'm like, 549 00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:27.639 I got to see what it is. I immediately turned to my right to 550 00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:31.079 figure out where the sound was coming from. A split second before that sound, 551 00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:37.800 there was a smaller sound. I figured out who my interpretation was. 552 00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:42.320 When I turned to look, I could see another quartz rock that was coming 553 00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:45.239 my way that hit a branch on pine tree and hit the branch and bouched 554 00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:49.800 up and was spinning in the air. I watched it hitting the ground until 555 00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:53.039 I couldn't see it because of the cover on the ground, but I think 556 00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:57.840 the rock soon was first. And then after I turned to look, that's 557 00:36:57.880 --> 00:37:04.480 when I heard that extremely loud noise sounded like small cannon fire. And again 558 00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:09.639 I'm still confused about that. How can anything or anyone make a sound that 559 00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:15.719 sounds like wood on wood but make it that loud. I have no explanation 560 00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:21.079 for how you or I or anyone on this planet can make a sound that 561 00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:23.360 loud in the wood. I've told maybe one or two people and they've said, 562 00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:27.360 yeah, it sounds like a wood not And at the time, I've 563 00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:30.320 never heard of a wood knock. I think I forgot who calls it this, 564 00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:35.599 but someone calls it a home run knot it extremely loud. One I 565 00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:37.920 used to have a glow forty five caliber that I used to take to the 566 00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:42.880 shooting range and try it with my ear protection off, just to see how 567 00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:45.559 roud it was. So, if you're holding a glock forty five at arm's 568 00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:51.159 length, this was louder than that. To this day, I've told some 569 00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:53.599 people that know a lot more about this subject than I do. How does 570 00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:58.159 anything make a sound that loud in the wood they're going. I don't know, 571 00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:02.119 but we've heard other reports similar to that. I've always wondered about the 572 00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:07.119 wood knocks because people have different theories. I've heard what I believe to be 573 00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:13.119 woodknocks here on our land. I've heard them in radium. Of course, 574 00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:16.639 I've heard recording after recording. There's some people that say that their mouthpops. 575 00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:22.480 Some people like Todd and other people believe that they're using rocks. Sometimes they're 576 00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:28.679 using rock on wood, sometimes they're using rock on rock. I don't know. 577 00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:32.519 I can't really think of any time that I've ever personally documented a story. 578 00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:37.480 I don't know that I've ever even heard a story where somebody actually seen 579 00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:42.159 these things doing a woodknock with a piece of wood or a rock. I'm 580 00:38:42.159 --> 00:38:44.480 sure if somebody's going to come out of the woodwork when this AARs and say, 581 00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:45.840 oh, yeah, here's this one story that I heard, and I 582 00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:50.000 would love to hear that, But for the most part, you don't hear 583 00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:52.440 people saying that. I think Fred and Alaska has related a couple of stories 584 00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:58.519 to me in the past about watching these things do the mouth pops in the 585 00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:01.159 middle of an open field. Was mother witnesses when he was with them, 586 00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:07.159 not making the sound with a piece of wood or rock. So I'm at 587 00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:10.320 a loss like you, because some people have said it's extremely loud. What 588 00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:15.599 you're describing is probably louder than most people have heard this that I've personally talked 589 00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:20.119 to. But I don't know what would make that noise, anything that's flesh 590 00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:22.119 and blood. This has been something we've been talking a lot about on the 591 00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:25.119 show recently. I said it to Wayne the other day when we were recording 592 00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:28.920 that Bigfoot podcast. I said, sometimes, dude, I think we're barking 593 00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:32.719 up the wrong tree here because there's so many unexplained things with these creatures that 594 00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:37.960 I've tried to rationalize and make it flesh and blood and make it fit into 595 00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:39.679 a box. But I just I'm not able to do that, And this 596 00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:45.400 is one of those situations. I don't know how something could physically make a 597 00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:50.559 noise that loud that would surprise and shock you to the point that it did. 598 00:39:51.320 --> 00:39:52.960 Again, I could be wrong. Maybe they're just super powerful and they 599 00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:58.320 have the ability the muscle structure to maybe hit a piece of wood on another 600 00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:00.800 piece of wood on a tree and make it that sound, or maybe use 601 00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:04.840 a rock and do it on there. I don't know. Yeah, I 602 00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:09.440 agree with you. I've heard other witnesses or podcasts or stories where there have 603 00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:15.079 been witnesses that said they saw on mate that noise or a very similar noise 604 00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:19.800 with their mouth or by clapping or with rocks. If any animal on this 605 00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:24.159 planet can make a noise with their mouths louder than gunfire, to me, 606 00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:27.880 that's beyond belief. I don't know how you would do it. I'm not 607 00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:31.760 going to rule it out. But the analogy that I can only come to 608 00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:38.039 is if Paul Bunyan was real and he was twenty or thirty feet tall and 609 00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:42.920 grab the biggest baseball mat that he could, I don't know if he could 610 00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:46.239 hit a tree hard enough to make a sound that loud. So how a 611 00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:52.280 bigfoot, even if he's nine feet tall. How does anything make us sound 612 00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:58.800 that. While my high school here in North Carolina, we were the Patriots. 613 00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:02.280 We had a can in the middle of our school. We had a 614 00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:07.239 mall, like a two story mall. They would use it for the football 615 00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:09.719 team to fire off in the end zone. Whatever I came scored a touchdown. 616 00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:14.880 I know how loud that cannon sounds because someone set it off in school 617 00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:19.079 one day when I was in a classroom right beside the opening where it sat. 618 00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:22.599 What I heard in the woods was louder than that cannon. To me, 619 00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:25.360 it sounded if you were on a Spanish galleon and you were the person 620 00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:30.920 firing a cannon at another ship. What you must be hearing? I instinctively 621 00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:34.719 dull. I thought something was going to go right by my head. After 622 00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:37.840 a second, I realized, but it didn't sound like gunfire. Even though 623 00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:43.880 it was louder than gunfire. It sounded like wood on wood. I can't 624 00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:47.119 prove that's what it was, but that's exactly what it sounded like. And 625 00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:51.880 let's say I'm right that it was wood on wood. I don't understand how 626 00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:54.280 it's possible to make us sound that loud. Yeah, I'm right there with 627 00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:58.719 you. Was that the end of your experience in you Ori? I kept 628 00:41:58.760 --> 00:42:02.159 expecting. By the time time I heard that noise and the second rock, 629 00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:07.280 I was kind of freaking out because I'm like, okay, either this one 630 00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:12.239 bigfoot, I guess I never saw him, is throwing rocks at me on 631 00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:16.239 the left and has already five seconds later crossed over to my right throwing rocks 632 00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:21.440 at me on the right hiding a tree. Apparently he doesn't like where I 633 00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:23.480 am. Or again, there's more than one of them when They're on both 634 00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:27.760 sides of the trail and I'm surrounded, so I'm like, okay, what's 635 00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:31.760 coming next. I expected one to be standing in the trail around every turn 636 00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:37.000 the rest of my way, and I had another probably three miles to finish 637 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:40.480 that trail. I wasn't going to head back to the car. You wouldn't 638 00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:44.880 have found me if something would have happened, because I was miles and miles 639 00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:49.199 deep in the woods by myself with no sell reception. A park ranger probably 640 00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:52.119 would have found my car that night or the next day, but I wanted 641 00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:57.079 to get out of there. I wasn't as scared as the first two incidents. 642 00:42:57.119 --> 00:43:00.000 Back in the seventies because they were at least far enough away where I 643 00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:06.159 couldn't see them. I still had no proof that's what they were throwing the 644 00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:07.800 rocks at me and making the noise, but I had a really good idea. 645 00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:13.440 I rode the rest of the way back to finish that trail, and 646 00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:16.440 there is a connecting trail by that going on, like I'm here, I'm 647 00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:21.119 going to do the next trail also, which kind of takes me back to 648 00:43:21.159 --> 00:43:23.480 the front parking lot. At least I'll be heading closer to where people would 649 00:43:23.480 --> 00:43:28.440 be. And by that time I got to the front parking lot and nothing 650 00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:31.639 else had happened. I came back further into the woods through my bike and 651 00:43:31.719 --> 00:43:36.760 my car, and I left, And to me, that incident was thrilling. 652 00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:40.119 It was cool that after forty years, I had probably another encounter. 653 00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:46.039 But they always leave me confused. Again, I don't understand how any person 654 00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:51.199 or animal can make a sound that loud. It doesn't make sense. Yeah, 655 00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:53.280 I agree, you Worry is one of those places. It's a couple 656 00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:57.360 of hours away from me as I sit here in North Carolina, and it's 657 00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:00.039 a place I've wanted to visit since I really got into the sub moved to 658 00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:04.400 the state because I've had some of the very first people ever on the show 659 00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:09.199 were from the Uari National Forest where they were having some bizarre close encounters with 660 00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:14.159 these things coming up on their tents, close encounters, and I've wanted to 661 00:44:14.199 --> 00:44:16.719 go, but I've talked to people since over just the last couple of years, 662 00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:22.119 and it seems that for whatever reason, Yuari has become one of those 663 00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:27.079 places that's synonymous with bigfoot stories. So there are a lot of people out 664 00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:30.280 in that area doing I'm doing the air quotes research, there's a lot of 665 00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:34.320 vocalizations, there's a lot of wood knocks, there's a lot of things that 666 00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:39.599 people are doing that could be mistaken for bigfoot activity. So I've purposely shied 667 00:44:39.639 --> 00:44:44.119 away from going to that area because of that, because the last thing I 668 00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:46.480 want to do is go out there and waste time taking a trip. I'm 669 00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:50.039 a pretty busy guy, so when I take time off to go do something, 670 00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:52.800 I want it to be worth my while. And I don't want to 671 00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:57.239 go out there and spend four hours round trip driving and then go out and 672 00:44:57.320 --> 00:45:00.679 experience just a bunch of yahoo's in the woods like me doing the same thing. 673 00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:05.400 Right, we're possibly fooling each other doing wood knocks and vocalizations and those 674 00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:07.840 kind of things. It doesn't sound like to me in the middle of the 675 00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:09.840 day you didn't see people around. It doesn't sound like to me that you 676 00:45:09.880 --> 00:45:13.880 were dealing with a person. But at least in the last couple of years, 677 00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:16.800 that's been my reasoning for not going into the Yuori and doing any kind 678 00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:21.159 of research, because I've talked to a couple of researchers that would gladly take 679 00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:22.920 me out and show me some of their areas around there, and it's something 680 00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:28.199 I may end up doing. Would you ever consider going and doing night research 681 00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:30.519 in the Yuari? If I would love to. I thought about doing it 682 00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:36.840 myself. That backfarking lot where I part there is a camp site right there. 683 00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:39.559 It's a primitive campsite. It's got a primitive toilet there. You can 684 00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:44.000 bring your chairs in, a cooler full of whatever you wanted to drink, 685 00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:46.760 and cook and sleep right there. You'll be locked in because they walk in 686 00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:51.800 the gate at night, so you'll be in there. You couldn't leave my 687 00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:54.039 car if you wanted to. I would love to go out there at night 688 00:45:54.119 --> 00:46:00.280 by myself. What I've experienced personally, I would say anyone that intentionally goes 689 00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:06.320 out in the woods trying to find these things truly doesn't understand what they're dealing 690 00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:08.039 with, or you wouldn't be looking for them. Like I said, on 691 00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:12.199 my end of it, there was a lot of fear to begin with, 692 00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:15.480 so there's no way I would ever intentionally go looking for one of these animals. 693 00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:20.280 If one crosses in my path, okay, cool. But I've never 694 00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:23.039 gone looking for one of these animals, so if I went out, it 695 00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:27.719 wouldn't be to look for them. I would go out there, camp out 696 00:46:27.719 --> 00:46:30.320 in the woods the way I like to do, and either ride my bike 697 00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:34.639 at night. I have lights where I can ride at night, or wake 698 00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:37.719 up in the morning and get something to eat and hop on my bike and 699 00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:42.480 maybe get a couple of rides in with other people. If I was with 700 00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:45.079 other people, that's a totally different story. I would be, Hey, 701 00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:47.480 what do you want to do? Do y'all want to go see if we 702 00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:53.119 can run into something or hear something. I'm fine doing that. I'm like 703 00:46:53.239 --> 00:46:58.679 you a little bit different. I don't want to either go to ra or 704 00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:04.880 North Carolina Mountain and try to look for something that I haven't encountered in four 705 00:47:04.920 --> 00:47:08.840 decades. I think is extremely rare, and I guess I feel lucky or 706 00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:14.119 fortunate that I've had three encounters, even though the first two were extremely hard 707 00:47:14.119 --> 00:47:16.679 to deal with that I'm still dealing with them. I don't want to deal 708 00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:21.360 with any more of that, so I don't intentionally want to go looking for 709 00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:25.000 them. That's why I've never been on a vfrol expedition or signed up for 710 00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:29.719 anyone's and we spend a night in the woods and see what we can encounter. 711 00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:31.840 I have a gun on man, I'm like, in my opinion, 712 00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:37.440 because I've run into them, your gun's not gonna help you. The only 713 00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:40.719 reason I think people carry guns is so they feel safe enough to go into 714 00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:45.360 the wood. Your gun is not going to help you if you run into 715 00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:50.159 one v's especially one that's charging you like one did me, one that's close 716 00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:52.599 enough behind you, or shaking a tree. I've heard. I'm sure you 717 00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:58.360 have people had one in their sights and they couldn't pull the trigger because it 718 00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:01.280 looked human, or they were too afraid, or they didn't have time, 719 00:48:01.960 --> 00:48:06.840 or they realized if they did shoot it, that might not be the only 720 00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:09.039 one around. Them, so to me, your gun's not gonna do you 721 00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:13.880 any good. I thought about carrying my gun while I was writing. If 722 00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:16.360 I went into another one, it's only gonna slow me down if I'm trying 723 00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:21.719 to get away. My thought in my philosophy is either you can go into 724 00:48:21.800 --> 00:48:28.119 the woods prepared without a gun from what you may went into, or if 725 00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:30.559 you carry a gun for the wrong reasons, I think a gun is gonna 726 00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:34.679 make you feel safe enough to go. You may be right about that, 727 00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:37.239 Jeff. I really appreciate you coming back and sharing the follow up and your 728 00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:40.159 other experiences in the you are and as always have had a good time talking 729 00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:43.719 to you. Yeah. I enjoyed it, Brian, thanks for having me 730 00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:52.920 on. They say you don't gotta go home, but you can't stay. 731 00:48:53.960 --> 00:49:24.079 I don't want to be sat joy. There's a child, that child everything 732 00:49:24.440 --> 00:49:30.760 call him right back. Pride back a joy for me. Joy stay right 733 00:49:30.960 --> 00:50:13.760 there, you call it right away. Still still s s s sissss fat 734 00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:46.840 dot dot dot dots, games and stas hess and things usss