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Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and
Bobo. These guys are your favorites,

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so like to subscribe and raid it. Lip Star Sho and me rang just

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on yesterday and listening, oh watching
them always keep its watching. And now

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you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo
Fay Bobo. Cliff, seems like it's

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been a while. So is that
spoking to you? Yeah? Did the

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last episode you were you were just
yeah, you're heading down to see those

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snow tracks down on the pine.
So I spoke to Angie the snow at

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Bigfoot Woman with the dermal prints and
all that, and that was a good

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one. We got good feedback on
that, so that went pretty well.

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Well cool cool. I wish I
could say the same about the footprint investigation.

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Basically, the story was on Monday
morning, the property owners went out

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to the guy went out to his
truck to go to work in the morning

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about five thirty in the morning,
and in the snow were these large footprints.

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They were I did the math.
I measured the guy's shoes. I

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had pictures of the guy's shoes with
the prints in him. So I did

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a little bit of you know,
fifth grade math basically, and I determined

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that the prints were about sixteen inches
give or take a little bit, sixteen

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maybe seventeen somewhere in there. And
so the guy was flabbergasted, just like,

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what is going on here? There
were about five or eight five,

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six, seven eight prints in the
driveway. The footprint that I said,

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you guys, the photograph was by
far the clearest. The rest of them

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were a little bit more melted out. But when I saw those, well,

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first of all, they're fresh,
because the guy said that they weren't

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there the night before, and they
were there in the morning, so they

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were fresh. Unlikely to be hoaxes, because like, who's going to go

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walk around in that, you know, I get three in the morning.

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I mean, maybe they're hoaxes.
I don't know. It's hard to say.

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There's not really enough to go on
in the prints, unfortunately, But

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I say, okay, this is
interesting because I know that they're fresh.

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And you know, if I go
out to one of my spots and I

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walk around, if I find footprints
out there, I don't know when they

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were put there. You know,
I could guess based on erosion and wind

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and all that, you know,
just wearing away in gravity, you can

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guess how long a footprint has been
in the ground, but you really don't

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know. So these circumstances where you
know the night it was put down are

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fairly rare. I've had a couple
of those in the last month or two,

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but they're fairly rare. So this
was a really interesting opportunity. So

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I called Darby back in you know, North Carolina, to say, hey,

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this happened. This seems like an
opportunity, and he says it actually

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was. Because everybody's always ranting about
e DNA. E DNA is going to

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solve this, and maybe it will, but at this point E DNA is

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pretty expensive, especially when you don't
have a target species, cause again we're

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trying to prove that this target species
even exists with DNA. So in order

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to get and then go through all
the hoops and all that other jazz and

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figure out that there is an unknown
primate species in there, well that's a

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very very expensive proposition, very time
consuming and expensive. But because part of

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that thing is that there's so much
other DNA in the woods. Like if

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I found footprints and I took the
soil sample from underneath them, there's a

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lot of other animals that live in
that wood, those woods there, like

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rodents and deer and bear and flying
squirrels and birds and all sorts of other

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things, and their DNA is also
everywhere, right So, and of course

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if we had a sample of the
unknown species DNA, well, that kind

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of gives us a target, gives
us a bullseye to aim for. That

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would drop the costs significantly. I'm
getting by the way. I know I'm

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kind of rambling, but I'm getting
somewhere. Just bear with me for a

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second. So if we have a
target, it would drop the costs and

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the time and all the effort significantly. But we don't have that at this

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point. But the snow print offer
a unique opportunity, I've been informed because

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unlike footprints in the mud, where
everything in their mother's walking around through the

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woods and leaving their DNA and sloughing
off skin cells and breathing and doing all

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these biological things that leave DNA traces
on snow, if as long as the

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foot did not pushed through the snow
layer and touched the ground, the vast

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majority of the DNA that would be
in that footprint in the snow would be

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from the foot that made that footprint. It wouldn't be contaminated, or if

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that's even the right word, it
would be mostly the target species that left

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the footprint. So that's a unique
opportunity. I didn't I wasn't really aware

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of this until I spoke to Derby
about it. Beat up a. Darby's

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brilliant. He has all sorts of
interesting insights and thoughts, and so I

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called him and I said, well, this is an interesting opportunity, and

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he totally agreed. So I got
together a snowprint e DNA kit pretty quick,

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you know, at the local Walgreens. I went and went shopping real

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fast, and did all sorts of
sterilization procedures and stuff the night before,

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got everything ready to go. One
of my employees, my friend Tyler,

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he hopped in the car with me
the next morning and we drove the three

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and a half hours, yeah,
three hours and twenty minutes one way to

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La Pine to find that all the
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was no trace. There were some
other marks nearby. Some of them were

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clearly boot marks. I don't think
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So there were some other larger marks
that may have been rather melted out,

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and you know, ambiguous prints.
They were about the right size,

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about the right kind of the right
shape, and about the right distance.

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But basically at the end of the
day went down there for pretty much nothing.

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Yeah, but that's that's bigfooting.
I've been on such a role lately

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that you know, iways due for
a bad trip, so to speak.

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Yeah, even on fire. I
got to go out and talk to Dave

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McCoy so McCoy son from the back
in the sixties, the forest the cat

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driver out there, the forestry engineer. Oh yeah, yeah, I know

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exactly who Phil McCoy is. I
don't know if our audience does, though,

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because we have a lot of kind
of new bigfooters that praps aren't as

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familiar with the bigfoot history. Yeah, if you look back at the sixties,

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he was integral, like he was
an integral figure and all that.

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And when he was a bulldozer operator
for the forcers, and he ended up

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working as went through like head engineer
of the roads out there for six rivers,

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real respected guy, excellent tracker,
excellent hunter. And he found Prince

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and he actually cast over fifty casts
at eight different locations. Yeah, so

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he was out there during that time, and like he met with mel Hester

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and those guys down in the early
sixties down the high up Palm he met

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that's where he first met Roger Patterson
back in like sixty three, I guess,

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looking at the high end palm tracks. Stayed in touch with them.

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He was a cohort of Al Hodgson, who own the store Wheelkrek. That

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was kind of like he was like
the main guy, like the you know,

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pre internet and all that. He
was kind of like a focal point

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for exchanging. Anyone that was looking
for Bigfoot Bluff Creek area Humble would stop

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and see Al Hotson and when you
left, you to report whatever you found.

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So he kind of was the gather
of all the information around there and

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still was one of those trusted like
cohorts. Yeah, and still got over

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eight different tracking events. He got
over fifty casts, and he had multiple

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repeats of one with like a mangled
foot with a missing toe and it wasn't

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it doesn't look the same as a
cripplefoot, you know, cast from up

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in the Blues. But so anyways, he just heard from one of his

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cousins that she might have some of
the casts stored down in the Bay Area.

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Oh wow, that's great. Yeah, like maybe three or four or

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something. Still, I mean that
that's you know, any cast from that

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time period is of great interest,
just because that was the eight Day of

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big footing, was when everything was
getting going and everything was new. At

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that point, there wasn't you know, you know, like say, for

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example, now, if we found
a footprint and there was a nice mid

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tartal pressure ridge, it would not
be nearly as big a deal as something

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from the nineteen sixties because that the
doctor Meltrim's work is publicly available. But

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back then that was unknown, that
was unheard of. So that early evidence

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offers us an interesting glimpse and an
opportunity for congruence in the evidence between what

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they found then and today what we
now know today based on the people whose

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shoulders we stand upon. Yeah.
Yeah, so I'm really looking forward to

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seeing what comes from that. Excellent
Axully sod did you get to see any

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photographs or anything like that? No? No, Now, of course Sill's

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dead. Who did you speak to
his son? Dave? And Dave was

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there when they came out with when
Roger and Bob came out and called Al.

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They also called Sil and Dave was
twelve years old, went with his

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dad to will Kirk and they went
to the restaurant there and met up with

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It was him, Al, his
father and Roger and Bob. Wow.

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That's great, Yeah, they said. He he said, if Roger Patterson

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got if Roger Patterson got hoax,
he sures hected know it because he was

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eyes popping out of his head.
He was so excited and just wound up

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high energy and yeah. Then he
so he just said, he goes,

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there's no way he was part of
it. If he got hoax, he

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wasn't part of it. That's what
he kept saying. Oh wow. So

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so just to be clear, he
saw Roger that same day. Yeah,

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when Roger came out and met with
Al, he met with Alan Sill and

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still brought his son. Wow.
Wow. So that's actual, firsthand,

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you know, witness of the events
that day that we've only heard about,

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you know, right. Yeah.
And he's funny, he didn't really remember

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Bob too much about Bob, you
know, He's like, so I just

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knew Roger because Roger had been to
our house a couple of times in the

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early sixties and you know, his
father knew him and he knew him,

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and he also said he had John
Green. He knew his dad really was

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good friends with John Green, and
John Green had been down there a few

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times at their place. Now,
for our listeners, if you're wondering who

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we're talking about, I know Bobo
explained a pretty good riff about who sil

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McCoy is. But you've probably seen
sil McCoy. Sil McCoy is in a

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very famous photograph, a couple of
different photographs actually with Bob Titmas back from

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the early nineteen sixties. One of
the photographs is Bob Titmas and a gentleman

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sil McCoy on a porch of a
cabin or a shack or something like that,

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with some footprint casts in front of
them. Those footprint casts are the

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high im Palm prints from April nineteen
sixty three, and that is sil McCoy.

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I believe sil McCoy is also in
another photograph with Bob Tipmos from taking

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at the same place at the same
time. I don't know who the photographer

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was, so maybe it's John Green. So these pictures are in John Green's

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books and they're holding up two footprint
casts and with the caption if I remember

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right, something like two feet equals
a yard because they're only two of the

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footprint casts together, and that with
a yardstick over it and showing how large

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they are, and it is kind
of a play on words there. But

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that is sil McCoy, just in
one of these unsung heroes of bigfooting that

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was doing it forever and didn't write
any books he did, didn't do any

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TV spots or anything, so very
few people know about him and his work.

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So it's fantastic that you got a
hold of a relative of sil McCoy.

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Now I spoke to I think it
was Charlie McCoy. Is that right?

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Is that another brother brothers? Yeah, I spoke to Charlie, like

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maybe last year. I got a
hold of his number because of the of

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the footprint photographs that came to me
via doctor Russ Jones from Edie Gardner,

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who's an elderly woman out now.
She lives out in West Virginia, but

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she grew up in the Trinity Alps
basically, and it was on her mother

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and father's property that the high and
palm prints were cast were found and cast.

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And she told me that her mom
was out there working while her father

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was She was like clearing brush or
something on the property and a new,

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newly bought property, and her dad
was at work and she got her mom

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got all sketched out something that was
watching her. She didn't know what it

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was. And so then she found
footprints and she called, I believe she

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called Sil McCoy to come take a
look, and because her no, no,

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she called her husband, who I
think worked with Sil McCoy, and

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then Sil came out still by the
way, short for Sylvester if you don't

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know, Sil came out with Bob
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yeah, Sill McCoy was all over
the place and his offspring are still out

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there and sharing the stories. Yeah, Eric from the Bigfoot Museum and Will

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Looker he's the one that set it
up, and he's really you know,

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trying to dig into this stuff like
that. That's fantastic. I mean,

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that's why that's what we do here
at the NABC, of course, but

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down there, you know, that's
the epicenter. That was like ground zero

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in a lot of ways. So
I'm glad that Eric kind of taken the

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lead on that. I also had
a conversation with Eric this past week,

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kind of a comparing notes on museums
and all that sort of stuff, and

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we're going to try to get together
at some point and maybe flesh out some

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opportunities for both of us, you
know, either share resources or you know,

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I said, anything I can do
for you, let me know,

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because you know, I don't view
any other Bigfoot museum as competition. I

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view it as part of the team, so to speak, you know,

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doing God, doing God's work.
So he'd seem like it seemed like a

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really cool guy. Yeah, he
wrote, he's he's a member of the

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NABC actually, so that's how I
met him. He wrote me a private

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message on our Patreon page, and
I reached out and I said, here's

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my number, give me a call. And I spoke to him just a

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few days ago, I guess maybe
last week. Yeah. Really nice guy.

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So I'm going to try to make
it down to Willow Creek this summer

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at some point, so I'll let
you know when that happens. And I'm

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particularly interested in going into bluff to
see what's burned and what's not. Yeah,

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definitely. Yeah, a lot of
people are been telling me they're going

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in there, and I said,
well, good, take pictures, show

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me what's going on. I'm really
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with with Man, if all the
folio is burned away, that place is

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so prone to landslides. I'll be
very surprised if any of those roads survive,

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especially in the burnout areas. Oh
dude, it's going to be ugly.

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It's gonna be other going out there. Well, I'm looking forward to

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checking it out and just you know, sitting on on the hood of my

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jeep and weeping quietly as I often
do. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and

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Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. We'll
be right back after these messages. Oh

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man, So something else has happened
since I spoke to you last the North

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American Bigfoot Center here we did a
booth at the Sportsman Show, the Pacific

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Northwest Sportsman Show, which is one
of these like hunting, fishing, boat

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shows sort of thing, and boy, it was a grueling, punishing gig.

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I will tell you that. You
know, It's one thing doing one

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or two days at a Bigfoot conference
and having people come up and say hi

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to me for twelve hours a day, But it is another thing to have

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sixty thousand people pass through the Expo
Center here in Portland, and ten percent

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of them twenty fifteen percent of them
are oh, Bigfoot, that's cool.

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I didn't know there's a Bigfoot museum. And there's another full ten to twenty

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percent of the people who are just
like rolling their eyes at me and just

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muttering what an idiot under their breath. For the most part, the reception

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was was maybe lukewarm, but a
couple of people were quite interested, and

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I on Saturday, I took twelve
sighting reports, and people seem like the

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skeptics seemed very shocked at that.
They say, well, dude, look

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at look around man, we're at
a hunting fishing show. Certainly there are

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a lot of witnesses here. A
couple of the guides, notably some guides

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from Alaska, came up to me
and shared some vocalizations they recorded and their

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stories. Oh cool. Did you
get copies? Yeah? Yeah, they

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send them to me. Yeah.
And then he also previously sent it to

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Dave Dave Ellis too, so he
had already has copies, which is kind

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of nice. I was kind of
wandering around, just you know, tripping

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out and getting out of the booth, because man, those are long days,

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like ten twelve hours, and those
that cement booth. You know,

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hey, have you heard the big
Foot Museum yet? Like what pushaw and

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like walking away and rolling their eyes
like that gets a little old. But

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I was walking around and went up
to a BC booth, a British Columbia

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guide, and said, hey,
have you ever seen a sasquatch? And

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he like looks at me and he
go, I don't really talk about that

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stuff unless I know who I'm talking
to. I go, oh, I'm

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Cliff. I was some nerd on
some TV show and I have the booth

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over there, blah blah blah,
and he goes and then he goes,

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no, I haven't seen one,
but here's my stories. And then he

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sat and he told me like four
stories. You know, he hadn't seen

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one, but he found beautiful prints
in the clay and all that sort of

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you know that kind of thing.
A lot of people, once you get

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past that non you know that that
gruff exterior, have half I mean,

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so many of those people have stories, but gosh, a couple very interesting

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things popped up. One. I
don't know if he's listening or not.

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I thought he said he was a
listener some guy name who Do was?

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His name's a Humboldt character. I'll
say that, you know, and you

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know the type bobes. He's like
probably sixties or something like that, sixties,

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that decade year old, you know, big, big, sort of

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not quite a cowboy hat, not
quite a crazy person. Happen somewhere in

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between. He was talking about seeing
one down I think it was southern Humboldt

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somewhere, kind of down by honeydew
somewhere. If he saw one there run

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a walk across the road right in
front of him, and he talked to

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him for quite a while. He
told me about friends of his and Shasta

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that have a big footprint that they
cast on their property or nearby their property.

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So he said he was going to
look into that. We'll see if

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he does or not. That'd be
cool. So who Do if you are

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listening, got my eye, I'm
waiting for you to call. There was

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There was one guy though, who
I really wanted to talk about on the

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podcast because he said that he was
as a ten year old boy in the

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early nineteen seventies, he was given
a cast and then a few years later

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another cast, and he doesn't know
if they're originals or if they're copies.

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But what he does remember is that
they come from a property by Lake Merwyn,

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which is just south of you know, Mount Saint Helens Lewis River area,

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from a property there that had bigfoots
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And I was thinking to myself,
the only other thing, the only

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other Lake Merwin casts that I am
aware of at all, let alone from

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the sixties and seventies, is from
that same property that Roger Patterson used to

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go to. He had he had
friends down on Lake Merwin and like the

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Lewis River somewhere that he would go
by and they and I believe, if

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I remember right, Roger either cast
prints down there on the property or maybe

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got prints from the property owners.
And I'm wondering, could these casts,

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first of all, be original,
That would be fantastic if there's something unknown

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from the data set. It's always
great to expand the data set. But

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could it be that these are from
the same property, they're for the same

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bigfoots or maybe even the same casting
events. He says he doesn't remember anything

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about him because they're in boxes somewhere, but he says that the information is

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written on the back of the cast. So really really interesting stuff. I've

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got a few leads to Oh here's
another one. I'm so sorry I'm dominating

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the conversation, but man, so
much happens in my life Bigfoot related.

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So I just spoke to this guy
about an hour ago. Actually I called

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him right before we became on the
air. Here this one gentleman, the

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names Marv. Real nice guy,
super nice guy. He's a local guy.

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He came up to me and was
asking questions, and he eventually shared

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with me that he saw one of
these things. Now he's in his early

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sixties, but he saw one of
these things in nineteen actually two sasquatches.

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In nineteen seventy three. He and
his father were doing a horseback ride around

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Timothy Lake in Mountain Hood National Forest. Timothy Lake is still very active today,

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particularly the south side of the lake
on the border of the reservation,

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the Warm Springs Reservation over there.
But they were doing they were circumnavigating the

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lake on horseback, and at one
point, about two thirds of the way

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around, they got off the horses
and just took a break. And he

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was a young man, well,
he was a boy. I think I

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think he said he was like,
I don't know ten or something. I

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forget how old he was at that
point, because I forget how old he

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is now. He could probably do
the math and figure it out, but

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I'm not gonna so Anyway, he
gets off the horse and he's hanging out

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with his dad or whatever, and
then he's something catches his eye, and

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long story is short, about one
hundred yards away, on hundred and fifty

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yards away, he sees a head
of a sasquatch looking over a log.

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Then like it keeps bobbing up and
down and like you know, hiding and

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then peeking over the top and stuff. And he's going, no way,

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you know, look at that.
And then to the left of it,

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he sees something else catches his eye
and there's another one, you know,

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a short distance away from the first, behind a tree, and it keeps

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poking his head out from behind this
tree. Well, he calmly walks over

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to his horse, pulls out his
Kodak one ten camera and snaps two pictures

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of these things. He told me
straight out. It's like, yeah,

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they're not good pictures there, you
know, Kodak one ten film camera at

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one hundred yards or one hundred fifty
yards, but they're in there. They're

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not good pictures. They're not going
to convince anybody. But and so I

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asked him, and he's currently looking
for those photographs in the storage boxes,

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so he would share them with the
NABC and so we'd be putting them on

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display at some point. Oh.
I just love that kind of thing,

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like, even if they're not good, they're clearly not going to be great

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pictures, right, maybe there's no
question about that. But how cool is

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that? You know? It fits
really nicely with another display we hear we

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have here at the NABC that you've
seen where this guy went backpacking it like

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Abount Jefferson and he was getting followed
by something he never saw it, and

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he found a footprint and then he
found handprints in the snow and that scared

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him so bad he left. And
he gave me the original polaroid handprints that

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are hanging on the wall, and
also the actual camera that he took those

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photographs with. And you know,
it's not groundbreaking, it's not earth shattering

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in any way or anything like that. It's just cool little tidbits of history,

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you know, And that's the kind
of thing that I just love displaying

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that kind of thing in the NABC. So it sounds like we have a

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lead on another one of these things
as well, with this gentleman Marv from

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Timothy Lake. So I'm looking forward
to seeing those. Yeah, for all

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old cast stars, I've always been
like, oh, my uncle Cass went

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back in the seventies or whatever,
like they almost I think I've only seen

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like one ever turn up, you
know, like where they you know,

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let's surround somewhere that they could never
find it from my experience, very very

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rare, very very rare. Oh
and you know, and I know that

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we have a lot to do,
and I blah blah blah, Clif's just

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blabing the entire time, and I'm
so sorry about this. But here's another

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interesting thing that's happened in the last
week or two. Kenny Brown bigfoot out

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in Ohio. Super nice. Sky
know the entire Brown family I considered to

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be friends. I see him at
the Ohio conference every single year, and

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I know they're listening. So oh
they're wonderful, right and they're listeners.

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So Hello Browns, Hello Browns.
Love you anyway. Kenny wrote me and

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said Hey, Cliff, somebody has
some stomp on eBay. I go,

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oh really, And I took a
look at him, and I go,

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oh my god, yeah, look
at those. And the story on eBay

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is a little bit different than what
I got in person. But the long

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and short of it, he wanted
way too much money for him. Then

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he didn't get it, and then
he dropped the price to another number that

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was still way too much, and
he didn't get that one either. So

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I wrote him a private message and
said, hey, I have a museum,

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can want to work something out.
And long story short, we work

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something out. And so I got
another pair of fake stompers. Now now

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the quest, I guess is to
learn more about them, because I have

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some suspicions about them at this point, and I need to get them verified.

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What area, that's just it.
That's just it. He got them

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in not central organ but like western
Oregon, but like, you know,

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southern Oregon. I guess you know. And I have about a seventeen minute

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interview with the gentlemen that our lovely
and talented volunteered. Joanna at the museum

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here is currently transcribing with all the
information, so she's working on that right

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now. But basically he got them
in about you know, the numbers are

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fuzzy. Obviously, he's this gentleman's
in his seventies and he's thinking back decades.

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The numbers are a little fuzzy,
but he's guessing that probably about nineteen

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sixty eight he was given these stompers. Okay, he in the initial eBay

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listing, he said that those were
made in the forties. Am I doubt

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it? I doubt it. I
think that they were made in the fifties

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or early sixties. But I could
be wrong about that. But I'm going

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to be finding out more real sooner. I'll get to that. So this

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guy basically was given these fake stompers
that were already used at the time.

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So somebody had been hoaxing some stuff. They're pretty big. They're about seventeen

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eighteen inches long. This guy got
the stompers and he went out and hoaxed

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some stuff a couple of times.
Like most he said, he was never

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caught, except for one time he
was caught in Idaho hoaxing some prints.

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And so I have all that information
written down and everything like that. But

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he got them while working at a
mill and the owner of the mill was

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a guy named Don Boswell. Yeah, and there's a Boswell senior and junior.

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And if you look up Don Boswell, the thing that comes up is

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that story from Longview, Washington,
No no, No, from Toledo,

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Washington about Ray Wallace dying and all
that other stuff, and it mentions Boswell

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in conjunction with Rant Mullins, the
other hoaxer. There's a picture of Rant

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and doctor Jeff Meldrum's book Sasquatch Lesson
Meet Science with the two stompers. Those

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stompers he carved for a night.
He probably had those before, but he

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used them in nineteen eighty two for
like a news piece or whatever. We

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have those nineteen eighty two original stompers
with Rant Mullens autograph on the back of

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them, on display in the North
American Bigfoot Center. Now, these these

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are older than that, much older
than that. And Don Boswell supposedly went

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hoaxing with Rant Mullins. These very
well could be another set of Rant mullins

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Is stompers or Ray Wallace's stompers.
I don't know which yet. But this

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coming weekend, through a wonderful friend
of mine named Darlene, she has now

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arranged me meeting Don Boswell, who
is one hundred and one years old,

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along with Dale Lee Wallace. You
know, I think that's what is its

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rays Sun or nephew or something like
that. I'm going to meet both of

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these gentlemen this week and have a
lengthy story written heckle full heckling full interview

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with these guys because I'm probably pretty
foolish to them because I think sasquatches are

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real, and they're both completely confident
that each of them invented it. Oh

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god, yeah, so we'll see, we'll see. But the thing is

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Boswell was hoax and stuff in the
in the in the sixties. You know,

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he was hoaxing. He was hoaxing
things down in northern California. So

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I'm hoping to find out where and
win as closely as possible to try to

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track down some of these things,
and like, for example, these I

406
00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:11.839
have a sneaky suspicion that these particular
stompers that I have may have been the

407
00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:17.279
stompers or may have been behind the
one footprint cast that Barbara Wasson got that

408
00:27:17.319 --> 00:27:19.319
I am in possession of because I
owned the Barbara Wasawson collection, you know,

409
00:27:21.200 --> 00:27:23.359
yeah, I have not pulled out
the cast yet because this is my

410
00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:26.960
first day back of work, and
the stompers that were at work, so

411
00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:30.240
it didn't come back here this weekend
for a change. So I need to

412
00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:33.720
take these home today and I'm going
to compare them. But still, the

413
00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:38.880
guy told me that he hoaxed several
times around southern Oregon, and the time

414
00:27:38.960 --> 00:27:44.119
period matches when this guy was hoaxing
the area kind of matches. He told

415
00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:47.359
me that there was a group of
three bigfoot researchers that would come out.

416
00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:48.720
Walt told me this, by the
way, about these prints that I have,

417
00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:52.119
these stompers. Walt told me that
there were a group of three Sasquatch

418
00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:57.880
researchers that would come out whenever he
made these prints, because he would just

419
00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:00.559
call him and say that, hey, there are in the ground. He

420
00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:02.599
didn't say, I'm lying to you, I'm hoaxing. He would. He

421
00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:06.359
would he would lie to these three
bigfoot researchers to come out, and then

422
00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:10.240
those bigfoot researchers would give him like
twenty bucks for reporting it to him.

423
00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:12.720
It's like, wow, that's that's
shady. First of all, but second

424
00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:15.880
of all, who were these three
guys? He couldn't remember their names.

425
00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:18.279
He didn't remember what they looked like
or anything. He just remembers were these

426
00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:22.920
three researchers that were really interested in
fresh footprint finds. So he said when

427
00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:26.480
unemployment ran out, every once in
a while he would go stomping around and

428
00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:32.759
share them crazy stuff. Right.
Yeah, Yeah, Hopefully I'm going to

429
00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:34.799
get to the bottom of these stompers
in the next week or two. Hopefully

430
00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:38.160
I will have a little bit more
information, because you know, I mean,

431
00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:42.039
if any of that early you know, early sixties stuff from like say

432
00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:45.720
Bluff Creek or somewhere down there,
or the high imp palm stuff for that

433
00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:48.440
matter, any of that stuff,
although high MP Palm I'm confident aren't aren't

434
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:51.640
hoaxed. There's some really tell tale
features in there. But some of the

435
00:28:51.640 --> 00:28:53.720
other stuff kind of on the fence
about you know, there's some things that

436
00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:57.640
I suspect were hoaxes, some things
that I don't know but I'm open to

437
00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:00.759
him be hoaxes, and there's some
other things that clearly are not. So

438
00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:04.839
I always think about Matt Moneymaker,
and for different reasons than you always think

439
00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:08.279
about Mat Moneymaker. But one of
the reasons that I think about Matt Moneymaker

440
00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:12.400
is one of the one of the
things he's said that just rings so true.

441
00:29:14.359 --> 00:29:18.559
He always said it when applying to
footage, but I say it applying

442
00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:23.000
to footprint casts. He always said
that to be an expert in real bigfoot

443
00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:27.079
footage, you have to be an
expert in fake bigfoot footage. And I

444
00:29:27.160 --> 00:29:32.200
really feel the same about footprints as
well. To be an expert in real

445
00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:34.640
sasquatch prints, you have to be
an expert or at least learn as much

446
00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:41.400
as you can about fake bigfoot footprints. Absolutely, stay tuned for more Bigfoot

447
00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:45.079
and beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Will be right back after these messages.

448
00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:55.160
Yeah, so we we We're gonna
look at what's in the news. Yeah,

449
00:29:55.200 --> 00:30:00.000
what's the latest things color last several
weeks. We have a small number

450
00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:03.559
of articles, which is good because
we actually don't have much time. I've

451
00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:07.759
been talking the whole time. So
would you like to start with any particular

452
00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:11.359
article, Bobo. The one that
caught at first was the humor one where

453
00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:18.279
the largely great apes like oranguta's,
chimps, bonobo's and gorillas will tease each

454
00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:23.119
other, especially the younger ones,
like how humans tease like different than play

455
00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:27.640
but actually teasing. Yeah. Yeah, this particular article, the one,

456
00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:30.119
the version we read, it was
all over the news for a minute.

457
00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:34.119
There was from USA today. I'm
not sure what the date was on there.

458
00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:37.000
I guess it doesn't really matter,
but it was a study kind of

459
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:41.839
pointing out that apes play, which
isn't that big of a deal. It

460
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:45.400
makes a lot of sense to me. I mean, I think actually when

461
00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:48.720
I shared this with you, you
you kind of said something to the effect

462
00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:52.680
of duh, you know, and
and and rightly so, and rightly so.

463
00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:56.079
But what does this have to do
with bigfoot exactly? You know?

464
00:30:56.519 --> 00:31:02.599
I think that is the interesting conversation
to be had. I'm convinced that bigfoots

465
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:04.319
have sentences in here. I mean, I know people and people that have

466
00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:07.400
like a lot of repeating, like
you know, visitations and that sort of

467
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:11.839
thing. Everyone that has a long
term internationally and say they have like they

468
00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:17.000
like to play pranks, they like
to hide things, hydro tools, hide

469
00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:21.799
things of yours then put them back
somewhere else maybe different. Uh, that's

470
00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:22.519
the That's the main thing I know
about him, like, you know,

471
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:27.400
doing stuff like that. And my
dad heard that one those ones laugh in

472
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:30.640
New Mexico when he was putting on
a change in his underwear and he was

473
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:33.839
pulling, you know, it was
like freezing cold out, like he's like

474
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:37.839
twenty something degrees out and he's but
naked trying to pull his jockeys on and

475
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:42.200
his toil got his uh, the
waste waistband got got caught between his big

476
00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:47.079
tail and his second toe. And
we went to pull up and made him

477
00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:52.160
pitch for and fall and from the
barn and he heard that he who and

478
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:56.559
then all the like it sounded like
the big ones scolded the little ones.

479
00:31:56.240 --> 00:32:00.119
And then when my dad yelled,
I heard the yell, and then we

480
00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:02.640
heard the running. They were in
the hayloft of the bar. They just

481
00:32:02.720 --> 00:32:06.359
ran out the back and jumped down
and they ran off. And that's where

482
00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:12.759
the big one stepped on a sheet
of sheet metal and crinkled it. And

483
00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:15.480
it was fifteen and a half inches. It wasn't like a perfect outline of

484
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:16.240
the foot, but you can see
where the heel and the big tail and

485
00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:21.200
everything was. Yeah, but I
was like, yeah, those little bastards

486
00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:23.119
were laughing at me when I fell. I heard that from a lot of

487
00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:28.319
people that they liked to screw it
out you like, you know, play

488
00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:30.680
little games. A couple of things
popped out to me when I read this

489
00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:36.400
article. Well, first of all, it said that it wasn't like when

490
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:39.799
they were observing the behavior that they
interpreted as play. It was interesting because

491
00:32:39.799 --> 00:32:43.359
at one point, here's a quote
from one of the people that one of

492
00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:45.839
the researchers, we were actually able
to use the video we had and look

493
00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:50.839
through the video to find places where
the apes were interacting with one another in

494
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:57.000
a way that wasn't fully play and
wasn't fully aggression. It was sort of

495
00:32:57.039 --> 00:33:00.359
somewhere in the middle. To finish
the quote. I think that out right

496
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:04.359
there is interesting, very interesting actually, because when you think about the purported,

497
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:07.519
the reported sasquatch behaviors out there,
how many of these people are just

498
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:15.960
like It makes me wonder how many
human witnesses are misinterpreting what the sasquatches are

499
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:20.640
doing. Oh low, maybe,
or or maybe you'd be a fool to

500
00:33:20.680 --> 00:33:22.880
go out there and interpret it as
play. But maybe some of these aggression

501
00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:27.680
displays are actually this Bigfoot's messing with
you and having fun, which is kind

502
00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:30.480
of what I've been wondering about for
quite a while. I think that might

503
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:32.680
be the case, but at the
same time, maybe that might be a

504
00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:37.119
foolish thing to assume if one's actually
pretty pissed at you. H yeah,

505
00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:40.519
because uh, I mean throwing,
throwing rocks, you know, slapping the

506
00:33:40.519 --> 00:33:44.599
outside of houses. You know,
that's kind of aggressive and it's kind of

507
00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:47.200
playful. It depends on how you
want to interpret it really depends on how

508
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:50.839
the sasquatch means it. But we
don't know that. There's no way to

509
00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:54.599
know that. What about touching the
tents, you know, that seems like

510
00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:59.720
a curiosity thing, but you know, from if you're scared inside of a

511
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:04.279
tent, that could be very It
could be interpreted as aggression, right yeah,

512
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:06.799
I think I think scared, like
scared humans. To them, it

513
00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:08.679
was like, oh it's good time, It's time to screw with these These

514
00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:15.119
ones are going to be fun to
mess with, right right. So another

515
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:17.519
thing that I thought was interesting is
that they said that they couldn't prove it,

516
00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:22.280
but it seems that the young ones
do it more. Oh yeah,

517
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:25.400
and I think we see that in
sasquatch behavior too, right, absolutely,

518
00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:30.320
absolutely, yeah. It seems like
the ones that screw around are five to

519
00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:34.360
seven and seven and a half feet
tall, but usually like around the you

520
00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:37.199
know, five to six and a
half, I'd say is the most five

521
00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:39.280
to seven and then just seven and
a half. But if people are accurate

522
00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:45.360
in their descriptions, yeah, those
are the ones that are especially like because

523
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:49.320
I've always thought that you know that
they get together like like maybe like young

524
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:52.199
lions or the males will pack up
until they're you know, when they're out,

525
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:57.440
when they're too big in the family
pod then but not being enough to

526
00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:00.519
have their own you know, separate
zone, we'll get there like lions and

527
00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:05.079
pala around. And those are the
ones that the natives say, really screw

528
00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:07.440
with you like love to just play
high jinks and stuff. That's why I

529
00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:10.360
always thought a lot of those road
crossings are the smaller ones where they ran

530
00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:14.039
right in front of the car,
like on a lonely country road. As

531
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:16.280
always convinced there's their buddies are like
high five of them on the side,

532
00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:19.960
like see how close out like they
just most love it when I see a

533
00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:23.400
car lock up it spreaks and skid
or just here the as a car pass

534
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:28.760
cycle on here, you know,
coming from out inside the vehicle always you

535
00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:32.679
know, well, is that I'm
sure they get off on that. We'll

536
00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:36.239
find out someday in the future,
hopefully, but I think that's what I

537
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:38.960
think it is. Well, apparently
they mostly had they I think completely had

538
00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:43.320
video of juvenile apes, which kind
of skewed their data unfortually, so they're

539
00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:46.159
not sure if juveniles do it more
than I would agree. I think juveniles

540
00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:51.400
do it more in that I think
you can safely, you know, like

541
00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:53.920
at least guess that, maybe not
assume that, but guess that based on

542
00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:59.119
human behavior, because we can't forget
we're apes. We that is our family.

543
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:02.480
We share so many of our behaviors
with the other great apes. That's

544
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:06.559
why that's one of the many reasons
it's so interesting to study them. It's

545
00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:09.039
because we learn more about humans,
you know, and that's obviously true in

546
00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:15.039
humans, that the juveniles are more
playful and whatnot. I thought that was

547
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:19.679
really interesting. And of course with
all these stories of juvenile possibly juvenile sasquatches

548
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:22.639
and whatnot, and you know,
I have to reflect upon, you know,

549
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:25.320
our one of our research spots,
we've been finding a twelve inch footprint,

550
00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:30.000
a lot a lot more than the
fourteen although we've been finding the fourteen

551
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:34.440
as well, and then maybe once
we have evidence of a big male in

552
00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:37.679
the area, so that goes to
that juvenile thing, Like not only are

553
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:40.599
they perhaps you know, more careless
or whatever, they probably play a little

554
00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:45.639
bit more. Maybe that's probably maybe
that's why more sign is left, or

555
00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:49.760
maybe that's why they they are less
careful because they're playing, you know.

556
00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:52.280
I mean, at the end of
the day, a six foot human probably

557
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:57.639
is very similar, especially in like
let's say a six foot human male,

558
00:36:57.880 --> 00:37:04.679
Okay, that probably has the build
of a juvenile sasquatch in some sort of

559
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:07.599
way, because I think that the
females are probably much stockier and bigger,

560
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:13.760
like linebacking like Patterson Gimlin's film subject
sort of thing. But like most most

561
00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:16.280
humans aren't built like that. Most
humans six feet tall or whatever, we're

562
00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:21.480
gonna be thinner, and that that
sort of thinner build might be more resembling

563
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:25.159
of say a teenage you know,
teenage animal so sorry worth human or sasquatch.

564
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:29.119
So maybe that's where it comes from, you know, like some sort

565
00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:31.280
of natural inclination is like, well, something that's that tall and built like

566
00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:35.960
that is probably not fully grown and
therefore another juvenile And I'm gonna play with

567
00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:38.599
it. Yeah, definitely, I'd
agree with that. Now that the study

568
00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:46.119
also showed that the apes engaged at
eighteen distinct teasing behaviors that were used to

569
00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:51.280
elicit a response from the thing it
was teasing, like waving and swinging body

570
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:54.960
parts or objects right in the other
animal's face, or hitting or poking the

571
00:37:55.039 --> 00:38:00.920
other animals like the other apes,
or staring closely into a the rapes faces,

572
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:06.559
disrupting target's movements, and pulling out
the hair. We're all frequently seen

573
00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:10.599
as teasing behaviors. How many of
those, Bobo have you heard in Sasquatch

574
00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:16.119
reports? Waving arms or hands,
swinging body parts, getting close to somebody's

575
00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:20.320
face, not that, not not
that so much poking or hitting something,

576
00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:22.800
staring really hard, you know that
kind of stuff, or getting in the

577
00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:27.119
way of their movements, pulling hair, any that, Any of that suffering

578
00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:30.840
a bell to you. Yeah,
Like the slapping, like with ay,

579
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:35.719
they'll slap like someone sitting on a
tripically might slap the branch next to him

580
00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:37.480
or something even or well, yeah, we'll think about slapping the outside of

581
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:40.239
houses, you know, That's what
I was thinking. Yeah, that'd be

582
00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:45.400
real similar, getting close and staring. I mean maybe not close like those

583
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:50.960
those others are like not that close, but they'll stare it. They'll stare

584
00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:52.840
you down, you know, like
they'll but I think that's that is more

585
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:57.239
of an intimidation than play, when
they stare you down. It definitely could

586
00:38:57.280 --> 00:39:00.639
be. Now here's something that that
they observed in some of the apes that

587
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:06.199
that I've heard a couple far flung
stories, but these are definitely outliers.

588
00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:09.360
Okay. One of the things that
they observed in these apes would be like

589
00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:15.719
making themselves look silly in a way
in the in the in the article here,

590
00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:19.159
it mentions that children start doing playful
things that push boundaries in different ways,

591
00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:21.639
like they might take a shoe and
put it on their head as a

592
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:25.360
hat and find that hilarious. Have
you heard any sighting reports, because you've

593
00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:29.159
heard a lot of stories in your
time, you know, have you heard

594
00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:35.039
any reports of people seeing sasquatches of
them with them doing something strange, you

595
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:37.760
know, like using like I don't
know, putting a shoe on top of

596
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:40.719
the head for a hat or something
like that, some ridiculous thing like that.

597
00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:45.159
Have you heard any of that before? Not? That comes out the

598
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:50.760
top of my head, gotcha,
because I've heard one or two stories about

599
00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:53.800
them maybe putting the clothing on themselves, kind of like you see orangutans do

600
00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:57.519
every once in a while. I
think one of them came from that Janice

601
00:39:57.559 --> 00:40:00.159
Carter book if I remember right.
Is that sound familiar? I've heard I've

602
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:01.639
heard those, but I've never talked
to the person. I just read a

603
00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:05.960
few things like that. Okay,
I don't know, I don't know,

604
00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:09.480
but anyway, Yeah, very interesting
article and it does kind of bring up

605
00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:15.000
some interesting questions about the way people
interpret sasquatch behavior. And I don't I

606
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:17.119
don't want to be the person to
say, oh, they're just playing with

607
00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:20.760
you and then somebody goes out and
gets their arm broken or something like that.

608
00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:23.800
Sasquatch, you know. But at
the same time, maybe it's kind

609
00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:28.320
of like what you know with our
Australian friends, like the early Like a

610
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:31.159
lot of the aUI researchers comment about
how dangerous and all that so other yawis

611
00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:34.880
are, and you know, maybe
they are, or maybe they're just afraid

612
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:37.800
of them because of you know that
putting that fear in front of you makes

613
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:42.960
all the behavior seem aggressive, you
know what I mean, and people here

614
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:45.719
in North America clearly do that as
well, especially out in the dark,

615
00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:49.760
and they don't see the aggressor and
there's something they're making noise and banging around

616
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:52.519
and stomping and throwing things. Maybe
it's fun. Maybe it's fun for the

617
00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:57.760
Sasquatch and it's just playing, you
know, because you know, bullies probably

618
00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:00.519
have a good time when they're bullying, for example. Oh yeah, yeah,

619
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:02.360
well, I don't know. It
seems like most of the play with

620
00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:07.440
the Great Apes Sin in general was
like what they refer to as playful teasing.

621
00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:12.599
And you know, a five and
a half six foot sasquatch is going

622
00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:15.880
to look at us and want to
bully us. I'm sure you know,

623
00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:19.199
you think, especially like a five
or six short because they can't really bully

624
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:22.559
a too many other big foots,
but they can bully a human. Yeah,

625
00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:24.840
no problem with kind of whimps at
the end of the day. Anyway.

626
00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:29.199
Yeah, I thought that was an
interesting article, So maybe it does

627
00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:32.320
shed a little bit light on Sasquatch
behavior in some sort of way. But

628
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:36.079
again, I'm not going to test
that hypothesis. If something is out there

629
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:40.119
being seemingly aggressive with me, I
will probably act accordingly and not just saying,

630
00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:43.480
oh, he's just playing with us, yeah, because that could be

631
00:41:43.480 --> 00:41:49.199
a fatal mistake. I think,
yeah, it potentially could be. I'm

632
00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:52.440
not too worried about it, not
too worried about it, but I don't

633
00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:54.800
know. You've had them pretty like
think about your first encounter up there,

634
00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:58.920
you know, like, what if
that was his play and messing with you,

635
00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:00.880
which I'm sure they were messing with
you, but you're scared, right,

636
00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:06.320
Oh God, yeah, they weren't
playing. They were intimidating or were

637
00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:12.599
they on that one? I feel
pretty confident saying they were pure intimidation on

638
00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:16.320
that one, And I think that's
probably the safer guests to go go with,

639
00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:20.440
I think in any case, So
anybody out there, don't go,

640
00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:22.480
oh, they're just playing with me. You don't say that about brown bears

641
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:24.639
either, right, It's like,
oh, they just want to lick me.

642
00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:28.079
They're just looking me because they love
me. It's like, no,

643
00:42:28.239 --> 00:42:30.199
No, they're looking to you because
your food. Like you should always treat

644
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:35.639
that large wild animals with the utmost
respect and keep your distance whenever possible.

645
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:37.440
And if they're playing with you,
let them have their fun, but you

646
00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:43.119
you place you play it safe,
right, That's my advice, and that's

647
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:50.280
what the lawyers told me to say. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond

648
00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:59.800
with Cliff and Bobo will be right
back after these messages. How about that

649
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:07.159
archaeology story about the England's oldest footprints. Yeah, man, that really puts

650
00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:12.920
back Hominin's being in that in that
I mean, that pushes the bar so

651
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:19.400
far back in time. It's a
It's really interesting because I used to like

652
00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:22.480
always be like kind of like,
man, they make these like definitive statements

653
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:25.400
about these things were at this time
and there was no humans or anything like

654
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:30.000
that during these you know, millennia, And I always thought like, they're

655
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:34.760
so cocky sounding when they say these
things, and I know it's like until

656
00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:39.039
further notice, you know, it's
all that's always the deal. But yeah,

657
00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:43.519
I mean I'm not surprised. I'm
never surprised when I hear stuff like

658
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:45.920
that that things are pushed way back, you know, like estimates of time

659
00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:52.320
and that sort of stuff. Yeah. And this particular is basically that this

660
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:58.519
particular news article basically states that what
is it one hundred and forty miles northeast

661
00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:05.119
of London in the u K.
Footprints were found of a homin nin,

662
00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:10.400
a human ancestor that they're saying are
are almost certainly Homo antecessor, which is

663
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:15.239
the last common ancestor that we know
of, because you know, human evolution,

664
00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:21.320
it absolutely happened, but it's still
called a theory not a law,

665
00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:23.760
because we're still we're still kind of
putting together the puzzle pieces. How it

666
00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:28.599
happened, that's the question. Not
if it happened. That's not a question

667
00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:32.079
anymore. It's how it happened.
So we believe at this point that Homo

668
00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:40.079
ancestor was probably the last common ancestor
between Homo sapiens that's us and Neanderthals basically,

669
00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:46.039
so a common ancestor between our species
and Neanderthals. So but the fact

670
00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:51.960
that these were there in the UK
is pretty cool, and the fact that

671
00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:53.679
they left footprints really, you know, perked my ears up as well,

672
00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:59.159
because I'm very interested in a hominin
footprints to see if there's any similarities between

673
00:44:59.239 --> 00:45:04.840
sasquatch footprints and other hominins in general, most particularly like when the arch developed.

674
00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:07.719
I think that's a very interesting question
because I think it was much more

675
00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:10.400
recently than a lot of other folks
who are suggesting out there, like did

676
00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:15.559
you know, for example, that
they're saying that some textbooks, literally text

677
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:22.920
books lists, that Homo erectus had
a developed arch, But that is from

678
00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:28.039
what I understand, that is without
any evidence whatsoever, because they don't have

679
00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:30.599
any feet bones, like, they
don't have like a complete foot skeleton of

680
00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:35.440
Homo erectus, So they're they're kind
of walking on they're kind of guessing on

681
00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:37.960
that one. Well, I thought
direct is one of the ones that we

682
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:39.679
had one of the most. Oh, I think we do. I think

683
00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:43.559
we do, but I don't believe
we have we have enough foot skeletons,

684
00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:47.599
skeleton like foot fossils to make that
assumption at this point. But yet that's

685
00:45:47.719 --> 00:45:51.960
literally in textbooks. I remember having
a conversation with Meltrium about that, and

686
00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:54.119
you know, but maybe that textbooks
was ten years old. Maybe they found

687
00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:58.760
some stuff. In the meantime,
If anybody listening, because you know,

688
00:45:58.840 --> 00:46:02.519
there's a few hundred people listening to
this podcast, if anybody out there listening

689
00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:07.480
has access to a paper or something
describing foot structure of Homo erectus, I'd

690
00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:09.800
love to see it. I'm always
interested in that kind of thing. You

691
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:14.960
can email it to Matt Pruitt,
our producer here at Bigfoot to Beyond podcast

692
00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:16.800
at gmail dot com and then he
will forward it to me. I would

693
00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:20.679
love to hear about any of that
sort of stuff. I'm also really interested

694
00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:23.360
in learning about paranthropist footprints. But
our feet, I should say, footbones,

695
00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:27.719
but there's not a lot of stuff
out there about them either. There's

696
00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:31.079
a few, there's a few isolated
bones, but nothing nothing you can really

697
00:46:31.159 --> 00:46:35.760
piece together, so to speak.
But anyway, the fact that I think

698
00:46:36.039 --> 00:46:42.719
here the interesting thing of anecessor being
in the UK, there's evidence of this

699
00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:46.599
at the UK. In the UK
because of the dating of these footprints about

700
00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:52.599
a million years ago or so.
That's of interest, probably at least to

701
00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:57.480
the UK researchers, because I think
at this point, like I'm thinking,

702
00:46:57.559 --> 00:47:00.800
there probably aren't Sasquatches in the UK. I don't know how you feel,

703
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:04.880
Bobo, but I'm feeling there probably
are not Sasquatches in the UK. But

704
00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:07.920
a whole lot of people believe that
to be true. There's a lot of

705
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:10.840
UK researchers out there, and then
you know they're they're out there doing what

706
00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:15.079
they can to show that they were
that they are there, and good luck.

707
00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:17.199
I hope they are, but at
this point I don't see the evidence,

708
00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:20.639
so I'm thinking probably not. I
don't want to upset any of our

709
00:47:20.719 --> 00:47:22.800
UK listeners, but that's just how
I feel about it, and you know

710
00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:23.679
me, I'm always going to tell
you the truth, even if you don't

711
00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:28.800
want to hear it. But the
fact that this hominin was there, well,

712
00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:30.679
that should that should be of some
interest, I think to our UK

713
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:37.039
listeners. If if they're absolutely a
flesh and blood creature, there's no way

714
00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:39.440
they have them there still. But
if they are, you know, some

715
00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:45.079
kind of paranormal nsity, like there's
some you know, the Wu's strong with

716
00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:47.719
them, and maybe there is some
sightings there, but I certainly don't think

717
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:52.360
there's any chance of a hidden breeding
population. Now it'd be pretty tough,

718
00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:57.199
pretty tough. Yeah. Now,
when we were sent there for finding big

719
00:47:57.239 --> 00:48:00.239
Foot Bobo, what were your initial
thoughts there? Well, I was excited

720
00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:06.280
because we heard that remember that Adam
Davies, who we really respected, you

721
00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:08.960
know, good buddy, We heard
that he had encountered that he thought that

722
00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:13.280
they were there, So like we
were all psyched, and then we get

723
00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:16.639
over there and we find out that
wasn't exactly what was what happened, so

724
00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:21.480
that it seemed, especially in England, it was like they took us to

725
00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:24.280
the biggest forest in England. It
was what was it three miles by four

726
00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:28.159
miles or something like that. Yeah, it wasn't real big, you know,

727
00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:30.239
but yeah, it wasn't real big
at all. And you know,

728
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:32.400
I know, I think was Matt
and Renee. I don't think you were

729
00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:35.079
there, and correct me if I'm
wrong, of course, but I think

730
00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:38.360
Matt and Renee did something in like
Sherwood Forest. Yeah, those guys that

731
00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:43.119
I didn't. Yeah, and apparently
that's ridiculously small, like just a few

732
00:48:43.199 --> 00:48:45.320
acres or something. I don't know. I wasn't there. I don't remember,

733
00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:47.800
unfortunately, but I was just excited
because the robin Hood thing. Of

734
00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:51.840
course. Yeah. But when I
when I I don't know if you were

735
00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:53.800
with me or not, I forget. But the forest that I went to

736
00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:58.360
was basically a tree form. You
know, everything was planted in rows pretty

737
00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:02.079
uniformly, not a lot of sign
of anything, and you know, it's,

738
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:07.199
you know, but such a location. Thinking, you know, I

739
00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:13.280
assume that there are not sasquatches there
such a location would be an interesting control

740
00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:15.760
group, you know, for a
long duration recorder. I think to go

741
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:22.000
out there and say, count the
number of strange vocalizations and possible tree knocks

742
00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:25.800
and all these sort of things as
a control group for a forest that does

743
00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:29.559
have sasquatches in it, I think
that would be interesting, kind of the

744
00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:34.599
calibrate perhaps, you know, But
I digress, But I digress. But

745
00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:37.840
anyway, Homo aneccessor in the UK, that's kind of cool, especially if

746
00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:44.559
you know, what, if any
of these sightings are actually real, maybe

747
00:49:44.599 --> 00:49:46.760
there's another way to explain them,
because you know, we don't really know

748
00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:52.039
if Neanderthals were covered in hair or
not. We just really don't know that.

749
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:55.599
And Homo aneccessor, you know,
why wouldn't they be covered in hair?

750
00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:59.239
They might be covered in hair as
well. It makes some sense,

751
00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:02.239
I think. I mean, we're
not we're covered in hair. We just

752
00:50:02.360 --> 00:50:07.960
kind of lost most of the fur
coating, but we have all those hair

753
00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:12.719
follicles. So who's to say.
Maybe may again, I'm just being generous

754
00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:16.400
here, but maybe some of these
sightings, if they are real, are

755
00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:19.679
of one of these things, you
know, some relic species of this.

756
00:50:19.880 --> 00:50:22.519
I mean, I don't necessarily think
that's the case. I just but who

757
00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:27.719
knows, who knows? I didn't
see these things possibilities there, I guess

758
00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:30.480
so. But again, maybe I'm
being too generous. Maybe I'm not.

759
00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:35.280
I don't know. I know,
I certainly know some people are adamant that

760
00:50:35.559 --> 00:50:38.920
sasquatches are in the UK. And
you know, I'm happy to be wrong

761
00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:43.039
in such a case. You know
me, I'm pretty happy to I'm generally

762
00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:45.360
okay with being wrong anyway. You're
gonna be happy as hell, Cliff,

763
00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:51.320
when they finally show you three deer's
that they do break trees, and they

764
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:55.639
do leave higher like glypts behind sticks
and structures and that sort of stuff.

765
00:50:55.920 --> 00:51:00.360
Oh golly, I certainly think they
break trees, Bobo. I just don't

766
00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:02.239
think that they make glyphs and they
make little structures and stuff like that,

767
00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:05.440
and to show you things. Maybe
they do. I don't know, but

768
00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:09.039
I'm completely confident they break trees.
They've been seen doing it. That's the

769
00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:13.320
whole thing. That's the thing that
stops me with the stick structure stuff,

770
00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:19.440
with the prevalence of six structures in
like the Bigfoot mindset. Why is it

771
00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:22.360
that I you know, you just
don't get siding reports of them making these

772
00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:24.280
things. But do they break trees. Absolutely, They've been seen doing it.

773
00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:30.440
Absolutely do. It's a known eight
behavior and they've actually been reportedly been

774
00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:34.559
seen doing it. I'm completely on
board of that. And in fact,

775
00:51:34.639 --> 00:51:38.320
Matt God we found a Dave here
at the museum actually found a really weird

776
00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:43.000
thing out in the woods that's very
eye opening for me. It's not a

777
00:51:43.039 --> 00:51:45.400
structure or anything. I'm not gonna
call it that, but man, it

778
00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:49.639
is a there was and this is
a location where footprint casts have been taken

779
00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:52.360
before, by the way, within
twenty thirty yards of the spot. It's

780
00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:57.119
on this this little out of the
way seep coming down a hill going feet

781
00:51:57.159 --> 00:52:00.239
into a larger river. One of
the three or for research areas that we've

782
00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:05.519
been working like lately, and we
kind of dispersing ourselves and trying to get

783
00:52:05.559 --> 00:52:07.719
into other areas we haven't been leately, and this is one of those.

784
00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:12.599
He found this tree that was about
two inches in diameter, broken six feet

785
00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:19.800
eight inches off the ground and and
like these other branches were like twisted and

786
00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:24.400
kind of interwoven into itself. I've
seen a couple very weird things come out

787
00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:29.440
of this location before. I've never
with my own eyes, I've never found

788
00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:34.159
anything. So day finding this independence
of everybody else in one of our areas

789
00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:37.920
was very interesting to me. Some
of the other people who work this area

790
00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:42.440
that we shared data with, they've
showed me some weird things out of this

791
00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:45.039
area too, that kind of go
along with this pretty well, I think.

792
00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:47.079
But yeah, very weird. I'll
text it to you right now and

793
00:52:47.159 --> 00:52:51.440
you can check it out. So
oh cool, Yeah, you can check

794
00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:55.519
it out. It's actually going to
be featured in the next uh in the

795
00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:59.920
next North American Bigfoot Center video,
because you know, we put out two

796
00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:04.639
videos of our own field research every
single month for museum members. This will

797
00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:07.320
be featured in the next one,
so our museum members and there's a lot

798
00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:10.599
of overlap between our museum members and
our listenership here, so all you NABC

799
00:53:10.760 --> 00:53:14.360
members will be able to see this
very very soon. So we did a

800
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:17.639
whole video on it. It's so
interesting. I see, well, it's

801
00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:22.199
out in cyberspace coming to you right
now. Let's see. Okay, I

802
00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:28.360
got something just came in from cliff
Oh wow, yeah, wild right,

803
00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:31.880
that's without a data squatch or it's
I don't know. Remember, there's a

804
00:53:31.880 --> 00:53:36.000
couple of researchers that work this area, so I have to get in contact

805
00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:38.039
with them to find out are you
trying to talk to these bigfoot things by

806
00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:42.119
doing stuff? You know? I
mean there's always that possibility. I don't

807
00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:45.079
know, interesting things. So yeah, very peculiar tree thing. I wouldn't

808
00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:47.280
call it a structure. I don't
know what to call that. It's more

809
00:53:47.360 --> 00:53:50.599
than a tree break, but it
certainly it isn't a structure. So I'm

810
00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:54.079
not sure what to do with that
one. But I've seen other photographs taken

811
00:53:54.159 --> 00:53:58.760
by these researchers in this area where
one of the trees has been like pulled

812
00:53:58.880 --> 00:54:02.280
down and you know, smaller tree
pulled down in one of these you know,

813
00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:06.480
these arch things are we talked about, but it's not just an arch

814
00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:10.400
that that like clearly happens naturally all
the time with wine maples and other plants

815
00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:16.280
like that. But the branches were
pulled around the trunk of another tree twice

816
00:54:16.360 --> 00:54:22.159
and then tied in a weird sort
of crappy knot very weird stuff. Again,

817
00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:24.760
I'd like to see these in person
and do a close examination of them,

818
00:54:24.760 --> 00:54:29.199
but I have never found one myself, and I've so far only seen

819
00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:32.199
photographs of these things, and the
researchers say that, no, we found

820
00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:36.840
prints like right there, like twenty
yards away, and this is was like,

821
00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:39.239
you know, on this really crappy
road that there's no reason for anybody

822
00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:42.960
to ever walk on. It's like, oh, well that's of interest.

823
00:54:43.239 --> 00:54:45.440
We'll see. Yeah, So how
do you talk to those guys? Are

824
00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:47.960
pretty easy for you to find out, right, Oh yeah, yeah,

825
00:54:49.039 --> 00:54:52.599
yeah yeah. Once the weather clears
up in this this is kind of a

826
00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:57.800
higher elevation spot. So once we
can get up there, they've they've commented

827
00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:00.400
that they're going to take me to
see these weird ones that they shown me.

828
00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:02.960
And then this spot that Dave has
located is under snow now and probably

829
00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:06.800
will be for the next few weeks
at least, depending on the weather.

830
00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:09.400
But I'll probably get out there in
the next you know, two months,

831
00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:13.360
once we can. I thought we're
gonna be set for the rest of the

832
00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:15.800
rest of the winter. In the
spring here, it's like cool, the

833
00:55:15.960 --> 00:55:17.159
weather's gonna be great. Then all
of a sudden, it is, you

834
00:55:17.239 --> 00:55:22.199
know, dumped snow. I mean
I lived at seven seven or eight hundred

835
00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:24.400
feet in elevation and we had two
or three inches on the ground yesterday.

836
00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:29.199
Cool. Yeah, well good for
I mean good for the water levels,

837
00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:31.480
but not good for squatching, all
right, folks, So we're gonna wrap

838
00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:36.320
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839
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842
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843
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848
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849
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