1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:04,799 And we're back. So here's another I think the last umber for the day 2 00:00:04,839 --> 00:00:08,800 for Marvel stuff others that came out today. Let me pull out the whole. 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:11,480 I think I can remember it off if if I forget, I'll go 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:15,439 pulled up. But there's just more stuff of Okay, So they're in the 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,399 middle of, you know, writing Avengers five. That still just called that 6 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,719 for now, so there was something. Okay, there was that, so 7 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,719 you can read this tweet. Read that tweet Dylan. Jeff Lovenes's plan for 8 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:31,000 Avengers the Kang Dynasty was to reportly gather all the leads of the multiverse saga 9 00:00:31,239 --> 00:00:35,399 except for Thor to fight against Kang variants on Earth, and then the film 10 00:00:35,759 --> 00:00:41,479 would have felt relatively grounded and not involved many multiversal elements. Yeah, and 11 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:43,719 there's another part of this report where it's like, oh, but they parted 12 00:00:43,719 --> 00:00:46,320 away after the negative reception of a man. It's like, you didn't even 13 00:00:46,399 --> 00:00:50,960 need that, Like we got it. We can figure that out. Like 14 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,799 the three things here that I'll say, and then I'll throw to you guys, 15 00:00:54,799 --> 00:00:57,679 this one. They can say like this was his plan, but it's 16 00:00:57,679 --> 00:01:00,880 definitely not his plan. This is like Marvel having a plan and like Jeff 17 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,840 and him, like, I don't think he came in. I was like, 18 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,959 guess what fun jokes? Yeah, he like steers the ship. They 19 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,760 give the destination what they need picked up, and he's like, hey, 20 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:12,640 I'll try my best steer. And obviously they didn't think that he could have 21 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:17,200 for a man stuff. So like, okay, that's one, uh two. 22 00:01:18,519 --> 00:01:21,599 I don't that kind of tracks for what we've been hearing. As far 23 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:26,760 as okay, Avengers five was supposed to be the whatever our Avengers are who 24 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,280 we don't even know, but our Avengers fighting King and then Secret Wars was 25 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,280 like a multiverse Avengers of like, hey, you want to say how to 26 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:34,519 these characters again? Here they are right, and then they had all come 27 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,959 together. So that does track for a bunch of rumors we had heard before. 28 00:01:38,359 --> 00:01:42,519 I don't think that's gonna happen now. I think Avengers five is just 29 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,319 gonna be Secret Wars Part one and Secret Wars Part two. I think they're 30 00:01:45,359 --> 00:01:49,280 just gonna both go like banana sandwich because like, we don't even have Avengers 31 00:01:49,319 --> 00:01:51,799 now, so who really cares. It's not like you're putting together a team. 32 00:01:51,879 --> 00:01:55,200 Maybe I'm wrong, it is funny that they just say because we were 33 00:01:55,239 --> 00:01:57,719 talking Dylan asked me this when we're talking about like, oh, it's not 34 00:01:57,879 --> 00:02:00,560 it's gonna be a grounded movie. But he still got Kang in his variant. 35 00:02:00,599 --> 00:02:04,920 So it's not multiverse in the sense of like you're traveling to different worlds 36 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,200 in different characters. But I guess it would still be like they kill a 37 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,840 king and then like another one comes to get them, So I really don't 38 00:02:09,879 --> 00:02:13,879 know there. And then three, this is what I'll ask you guys, 39 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:15,960 And you guys can say this in the middle of your thoughts or whenever you 40 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,639 want to middle, beginning end. You know, you choose your own adventure. 41 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,800 It's a good time. I don't understand because we had talked about this 42 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,759 many moons ago. I think like we did a cast a long time ago, 43 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:29,960 me dealing on Briggs about like who could be in the New Avengers. 44 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:31,280 I think we all have Thor there, and I think many times we've talked 45 00:02:31,319 --> 00:02:36,639 about how like you would imagine Thor and Loki would be included in these plans 46 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,400 because all these things and even with Thor, if you look at Phase four 47 00:02:38,439 --> 00:02:40,960 and Phase five, they've had a lot of misses. But that's one of 48 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,080 their I think it's like in their top three for biggest films that's clearly hit. 49 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:47,280 I just don't understand, And this is what I'm hoping has changed. 50 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:52,280 Why all these rumors we've heard over the past few years, like Thor's never 51 00:02:52,319 --> 00:02:55,639 incorporating the team. I just never understand it. Even when I talked about 52 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,479 this before the New Avengers. In the comics, you had like Cap and 53 00:02:59,599 --> 00:03:01,840 Iron Man and Stay and then like Spiermen joined and Wolverine. But there's still 54 00:03:01,879 --> 00:03:06,800 like a few members from the original Vembers that stuck the original team that stuck 55 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:08,800 around. So it's just odd, and I hope that someone's just in the 56 00:03:08,879 --> 00:03:13,159 room and be like, hey, Thorn made almost like eight hundred million dollars, 57 00:03:13,199 --> 00:03:15,719 Like why isn't he in this movie? Like why are we gonna put 58 00:03:15,759 --> 00:03:19,960 like Moonnight or even you could make the case of Captamorrow right. I'm not 59 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:21,840 saying for the character, but I'm saying, like, if you're looking at 60 00:03:21,879 --> 00:03:24,759 success wise, it's kind of strange. I'm kind of hoping that that line 61 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:29,960 of except the War, like I feel like maybe maybe the answers they want 62 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:31,439 to save him for Secret Wars, But I still feel like the same thing 63 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,879 as infinny Ward Endgame. You can still have multiple characters, like I don't 64 00:03:35,879 --> 00:03:38,319 think you have to Okay, like they did that, but it's just like, 65 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,759 hey, you only have Thorn one. So I don't know. I'm 66 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:46,120 just I will still be surprised if we get Avengers lineup and Hempsworth isn't on 67 00:03:46,159 --> 00:03:47,840 the team, because it just has always felt like a no brainer to me. 68 00:03:49,159 --> 00:03:52,560 But we've just heard rumors that point the exact opposite. But don't What 69 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:57,120 do you think about some of this news of the original plans for Vengers five. 70 00:03:57,919 --> 00:03:59,719 Yeah, I mean, originally it was just a bit confused. I 71 00:03:59,759 --> 00:04:03,439 don't understand how you have a Kang movie that isn't multiversal. But you know, 72 00:04:03,479 --> 00:04:06,400 after thinking on it more as after we talked, I guess I just 73 00:04:06,439 --> 00:04:10,960 take that to mean that in terms of the hero side, the good side, 74 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:15,120 we're just dealing with six one six characters that have been established and with 75 00:04:15,199 --> 00:04:18,519 a focus maybe then on the ones who have been recently introduced in these new 76 00:04:18,519 --> 00:04:24,079 movies that haven't had an opportunity for a sequel yet or haven't been in too 77 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:28,199 many different projects at this point, and then yeah, just the villain would 78 00:04:28,199 --> 00:04:30,519 be all these different kangs and you can do whatever you want with that to 79 00:04:30,639 --> 00:04:34,439 match the power level that you have on the hero side. But yeah, 80 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:39,120 but then the Thord part of it is is a weird little ranch to include 81 00:04:39,199 --> 00:04:41,920 there, because then it makes me think, like, Okay, was it 82 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:46,120 canna be every other character that we have established right now with the exception of 83 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,000 him, So you have you still have Hulk, you still have she Hulk 84 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,920 in there? Like does that mean Hawkey's in there because he's still alive and 85 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:55,800 kicking like maybe Kate he was in a project in this saga, So yeah, 86 00:04:55,879 --> 00:04:59,600 I mean he's in there, like maybe Kate instead she gets the call 87 00:04:59,639 --> 00:05:01,199 I guess maybe though she's young Avengers, I guess right. But it's like 88 00:05:01,439 --> 00:05:03,439 if it was the lead, like same thing, like you said, I 89 00:05:03,439 --> 00:05:06,560 don't think you could have every lead, Yeah, and they just like it's 90 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:11,319 not that that means it's not that that that's definitive or anything, but yeah, 91 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,879 weird to strictly call out Thor. So the only reason I can think 92 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,240 of that is that Hemsworth isn't in on doing the car as he talked in 93 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,560 the interviews recently. If he plans on ten more years of thor or has 94 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:27,920 he has He expressed just after I guess after Love and Thunder. At one 95 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,720 point he was like, I'll do it forever, and then lately it hasn't 96 00:05:30,759 --> 00:05:31,879 been like I don't want to do it, but because he had like that 97 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,600 kind of health scare about the bench and stuff where HEAs that he wants to 98 00:05:34,639 --> 00:05:38,879 maybe end his career a bit more earlier so you can kind of just hang 99 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:43,120 out. But he still has talked many times about like doing thor or five. 100 00:05:43,199 --> 00:05:45,680 So I don't think he I feel like, if he gets a pitch 101 00:05:45,759 --> 00:05:47,680 and a check, he's there. I don't think it's like they're really having 102 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,759 to pull up. So it's like I feel like you can get him there, 103 00:05:50,079 --> 00:05:53,439 or maybe that's it. Maybe the check would just be too big to 104 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,279 justify being Avengers, right, it's like, well, yeah, we paid 105 00:05:56,319 --> 00:05:59,079 him this amount, and now we have all these new characters. Should we 106 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,639 really bring them in? We're bringing told we were bringing you. Yeah, 107 00:06:01,639 --> 00:06:04,800 I mean that would be the other thing would just be that if they're trying 108 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:10,240 to do it from a strictly pacing perspective of you want to have that Captain 109 00:06:10,319 --> 00:06:13,759 Marvel moment where she comes in and saves there has a big impact. You're 110 00:06:13,759 --> 00:06:16,199 bringing this this character, and so maybe that's even what was part of the 111 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,959 plan was to have Kang Dynasty and then to Thor another Thor movie, and 112 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:25,319 then Secret Wars, and that's where he's not in that, not because they 113 00:06:25,319 --> 00:06:27,279 don't want him on the team, but because they want him to come in 114 00:06:27,319 --> 00:06:30,000 there for part two. Even though we're gonna have if it is here Oars 115 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,120 and we're bringing in Toby and all these other Marvel characters from time past, 116 00:06:33,199 --> 00:06:38,079 you still want some MCU hype characters to join in there. So I guess 117 00:06:38,079 --> 00:06:41,720 that would be maybe maybe my leading theory, but it is still weird to 118 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,800 just only say that about him, and because I feel like Hawkeye or Hulk 119 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:47,279 would be other good examples of that where maybe you don't want them in Kan 120 00:06:47,319 --> 00:06:50,879 Dynasty because you really want it to focus on these new characters, but then 121 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:55,040 you can have them pop off in Secret Wars because that's gonna have every character 122 00:06:55,079 --> 00:07:00,279 that's ever appeared in a Marvel movie. What about you, Taylor, You 123 00:07:00,319 --> 00:07:05,519 want you want your newly established characters to have time to shine, and it's 124 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,480 tough because when you put these o G characters in there, they're going to 125 00:07:09,519 --> 00:07:13,560 pull the spotlight. It's the same thing like, oh you put Luke Skywalker 126 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,839 and Force Awakens right away, people are gonna not be looking over at Ray 127 00:07:16,839 --> 00:07:20,480 and Finn as much Luke Skywalker. So you gotta make sure you're playing this 128 00:07:20,759 --> 00:07:25,959 carefully because I mean, if I see Hawk, if I see Hawkey, 129 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,720 I see Thor, I'm thinking, oh, here's my my Avengers team. 130 00:07:28,759 --> 00:07:30,399 They're They're back, and I'm going to be more excited for them than I 131 00:07:30,439 --> 00:07:34,120 am over your Miss Marvel, your Kate Bishop and stuff. And I'm not 132 00:07:34,199 --> 00:07:38,000 saying that everyone's going to be like that. I'm sure other people are going 133 00:07:38,079 --> 00:07:41,839 to be happy to see them represented too on the big screen. But I'd 134 00:07:41,879 --> 00:07:45,199 like to see that. Yeah, that would be like I'd like to see 135 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:49,959 them take point over these other characters. But yeah, it's tricky how how 136 00:07:49,959 --> 00:07:54,319 they would, guess, I guess pull that off because they all fit in 137 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:59,040 that that cat that that roster and then you see except Thor. But then 138 00:07:59,279 --> 00:08:03,360 I don't know, you're somebody like unlike us, like you loved Quicksilver and 139 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,480 Angel Ultron Rain and he jumped in there with the original members, So can't 140 00:08:05,519 --> 00:08:09,600 you like if you have a team of half originals, half newbies. As 141 00:08:09,639 --> 00:08:11,399 long as you like give them enough equal screen time, you can maybe fall 142 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:16,560 in love with the new set of Avengers even though Thorn Hulk's there. That's 143 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:22,160 true, and it's it's you're not wrong. I have nothing to really argue 144 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:28,040 with that, except for the fact that maybe it's just like they're there. 145 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,600 The way their story was told, Well, no, I don't know. 146 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:37,440 I just I liked I liked getting Wanda and Quicksilver in that story because the 147 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,799 way that it was explained and their transition from being bad to good, whereas 148 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,519 these other characters, we've already grown used to them. And I mean, 149 00:08:43,519 --> 00:08:50,519 if you put if you put let's say, Miss Marvel next to Hulk, 150 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:56,879 next to Hawkeye, next to Spider Man, next to Doctor Strange, how 151 00:08:56,919 --> 00:09:00,240 do you feel about that? Do you feel like there's an America child as 152 00:09:00,279 --> 00:09:03,120 as well? Like do you feel like there's you're gonna be able to hone 153 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:07,399 in on them Miss ma Amon? Yes, I think you could put her 154 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,720 in a lineup and she's gonna fit right in. I think it all just 155 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:13,039 comes down to the writing. Because America chov as to me, didn't have 156 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,879 like a enough, strong enough, a strong enough impression in Doctor Strange, 157 00:09:16,919 --> 00:09:20,639 but I didn't think it was a problem of the actress. So I think 158 00:09:20,639 --> 00:09:26,200 with them on you easily could because that character's very likable, very energetic, 159 00:09:26,279 --> 00:09:28,039 stands out pops a lot, and that's where for me, like scrat Witch 160 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,639 and Quicksilver and both though like they both in that movie, don't they just 161 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,000 are very much in the background and they have a lot of screen time though 162 00:09:35,039 --> 00:09:39,799 it's just that they never feel, I don't know, as valuable. So 163 00:09:39,799 --> 00:09:43,039 I think you just have to pick and choose. So I think it is 164 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,480 tough. But if you if you give a people reason to care, which 165 00:09:46,519 --> 00:09:48,440 is not easy. It's not like a click of the button. But if 166 00:09:48,519 --> 00:09:52,480 you focus in and maybe just make sure you give as much attention to her 167 00:09:52,519 --> 00:09:54,480 as the others, I think you can make her stand out. You know, 168 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,919 it doesn't mean you have to also make her like the top avenger who 169 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:03,720 saves a day. But okay, that's fair. She's had two projects of 170 00:10:03,799 --> 00:10:07,840 setup now too, right, Like, she's pretty well if that of those 171 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,960 things isn't as high as you would hope for, but she's she's she's in 172 00:10:11,039 --> 00:10:16,919 there. So as for them dealing with Kang on a smaller scale, not 173 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:22,080 multiversals going in different realms. That's uh, it's a puzzle, right, 174 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,559 That's a puzzle because it's the multiversal saga. Well, I think it would 175 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:31,480 be like this can a Kang or her varents whatever, But it's like him 176 00:10:31,519 --> 00:10:37,000 just trying to take over maybe this specific world, this universe, you know, 177 00:10:37,039 --> 00:10:41,720 the DMCU six one six. So that's being why it's small scale where 178 00:10:41,919 --> 00:10:45,600 you know, maybe in Secret Wars that's every universe known to man, right, 179 00:10:45,639 --> 00:10:48,000 that's why. Obviously it's a much bigger scale. So maybe that was 180 00:10:48,279 --> 00:10:58,240 literally just Avengers versus Kang Kings. Yeah, yeah, well I mean that 181 00:10:58,279 --> 00:11:00,679 doesn't sound like too exciting for to end of them. No, No, 182 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:05,840 Like I'm not like I'm not running over hills or mountains to for that kind 183 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:07,399 of a story. I was hoping that they would be able to. And 184 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:11,120 again, like I don't know if all the context of this, I'd be 185 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:16,440 hopeful of having something that was just really playing off of just the multiversal capabilities 186 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,679 and just what Kang is capable of doing with the multiverse. And I feel 187 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,840 like that would be really cool to see him that just the multiverse when you 188 00:11:24,879 --> 00:11:28,799 harness that as a weapon. It's just so chaotically powerful, and we've seen 189 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:33,720 it get used in uncontrollable settings, albeit still controllable when you look at their 190 00:11:33,759 --> 00:11:37,840 character like America Javas. But I still feel like that if you could, 191 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,879 if you have that power and it's refine, like with what the Kangs are 192 00:11:39,879 --> 00:11:43,679 doing and the Kangs of all the super crazy technology, Like, there's just 193 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:48,879 so many cool, different cinematic like bewilderments that you could create with that kind 194 00:11:48,919 --> 00:11:52,159 of a character. So I'd be so forward to just maximize that kind of 195 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:56,399 exploration. But if that's not what they're gonna do, when they're just gonna 196 00:11:56,399 --> 00:12:01,120 stick to six one six, then I mean that's fine. It keeps us 197 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,879 to a lot of people in danger, right, like still Sam in danger. 198 00:12:03,039 --> 00:12:07,039 That's capture Man, like you could lose Paul Rudd. You don't want 199 00:12:07,039 --> 00:12:09,639 that. I guess I just get kind of greedy because I want to see 200 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,200 more of the variants. But I mean, that's what simple three is gonna 201 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,960 be for. So I had Secret Wars. You got that coming up too, 202 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,360 And maybe it's almost like we were talking about Spider Man, where if 203 00:12:18,399 --> 00:12:20,480 you just do two of those it'll be too much. But I think that's 204 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,399 what they're gonna do, is they're gonna do too But you know, it's 205 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,200 kind of like in Finny War versus Endgame, and Finny War had lots of 206 00:12:26,279 --> 00:12:31,559 crazy stuff, but it also wasn't going in the past revisiting MCU set pieces, 207 00:12:31,639 --> 00:12:35,720 right, So that's true. Yeah, so we will see. That's 208 00:12:35,759 --> 00:12:39,360 still I still I am waiting. I'm excited for calling con Or D twenty 209 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,120 three because I still think that's getting delayed and there's gonna be no, there's 210 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:48,000 no filming this year. I I don't know. I don't buy that for 211 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,000 a second. That's the rumors the end of the year they're starting to film, 212 00:12:50,039 --> 00:12:54,240 and I just, yeah, I don't that's not happening, and they 213 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:58,440 can stay as much as they want, but we'll see.