And we're back. So here's another I think the last umber for the day
for Marvel stuff others that came out today. Let me pull out the whole.
I think I can remember it off if if I forget, I'll go
pulled up. But there's just more stuff of Okay, So they're in the
middle of, you know, writing Avengers five. That still just called that
for now, so there was something. Okay, there was that, so
you can read this tweet. Read that tweet Dylan. Jeff Lovenes's plan for
Avengers the Kang Dynasty was to reportly gather all the leads of the multiverse saga
except for Thor to fight against Kang variants on Earth, and then the film
would have felt relatively grounded and not involved many multiversal elements. Yeah, and
there's another part of this report where it's like, oh, but they parted
away after the negative reception of a man. It's like, you didn't even
need that, Like we got it. We can figure that out. Like
the three things here that I'll say, and then I'll throw to you guys,
this one. They can say like this was his plan, but it's
definitely not his plan. This is like Marvel having a plan and like Jeff
and him, like, I don't think he came in. I was like,
guess what fun jokes? Yeah, he like steers the ship. They
give the destination what they need picked up, and he's like, hey,
I'll try my best steer. And obviously they didn't think that he could have
for a man stuff. So like, okay, that's one, uh two.
I don't that kind of tracks for what we've been hearing. As far
as okay, Avengers five was supposed to be the whatever our Avengers are who
we don't even know, but our Avengers fighting King and then Secret Wars was
like a multiverse Avengers of like, hey, you want to say how to
these characters again? Here they are right, and then they had all come
together. So that does track for a bunch of rumors we had heard before.
I don't think that's gonna happen now. I think Avengers five is just
gonna be Secret Wars Part one and Secret Wars Part two. I think they're
just gonna both go like banana sandwich because like, we don't even have Avengers
now, so who really cares. It's not like you're putting together a team.
Maybe I'm wrong, it is funny that they just say because we were
talking Dylan asked me this when we're talking about like, oh, it's not
it's gonna be a grounded movie. But he still got Kang in his variant.
So it's not multiverse in the sense of like you're traveling to different worlds
in different characters. But I guess it would still be like they kill a
king and then like another one comes to get them, So I really don't
know there. And then three, this is what I'll ask you guys,
And you guys can say this in the middle of your thoughts or whenever you
want to middle, beginning end. You know, you choose your own adventure.
It's a good time. I don't understand because we had talked about this
many moons ago. I think like we did a cast a long time ago,
me dealing on Briggs about like who could be in the New Avengers.
I think we all have Thor there, and I think many times we've talked
about how like you would imagine Thor and Loki would be included in these plans
because all these things and even with Thor, if you look at Phase four
and Phase five, they've had a lot of misses. But that's one of
their I think it's like in their top three for biggest films that's clearly hit.
I just don't understand, And this is what I'm hoping has changed.
Why all these rumors we've heard over the past few years, like Thor's never
incorporating the team. I just never understand it. Even when I talked about
this before the New Avengers. In the comics, you had like Cap and
Iron Man and Stay and then like Spiermen joined and Wolverine. But there's still
like a few members from the original Vembers that stuck the original team that stuck
around. So it's just odd, and I hope that someone's just in the
room and be like, hey, Thorn made almost like eight hundred million dollars,
Like why isn't he in this movie? Like why are we gonna put
like Moonnight or even you could make the case of Captamorrow right. I'm not
saying for the character, but I'm saying, like, if you're looking at
success wise, it's kind of strange. I'm kind of hoping that that line
of except the War, like I feel like maybe maybe the answers they want
to save him for Secret Wars, But I still feel like the same thing
as infinny Ward Endgame. You can still have multiple characters, like I don't
think you have to Okay, like they did that, but it's just like,
hey, you only have Thorn one. So I don't know. I'm
just I will still be surprised if we get Avengers lineup and Hempsworth isn't on
the team, because it just has always felt like a no brainer to me.
But we've just heard rumors that point the exact opposite. But don't What
do you think about some of this news of the original plans for Vengers five.
Yeah, I mean, originally it was just a bit confused. I
don't understand how you have a Kang movie that isn't multiversal. But you know,
after thinking on it more as after we talked, I guess I just
take that to mean that in terms of the hero side, the good side,
we're just dealing with six one six characters that have been established and with
a focus maybe then on the ones who have been recently introduced in these new
movies that haven't had an opportunity for a sequel yet or haven't been in too
many different projects at this point, and then yeah, just the villain would
be all these different kangs and you can do whatever you want with that to
match the power level that you have on the hero side. But yeah,
but then the Thord part of it is is a weird little ranch to include
there, because then it makes me think, like, Okay, was it
canna be every other character that we have established right now with the exception of
him, So you have you still have Hulk, you still have she Hulk
in there? Like does that mean Hawkey's in there because he's still alive and
kicking like maybe Kate he was in a project in this saga, So yeah,
I mean he's in there, like maybe Kate instead she gets the call
I guess maybe though she's young Avengers, I guess right. But it's like
if it was the lead, like same thing, like you said, I
don't think you could have every lead, Yeah, and they just like it's
not that that means it's not that that that's definitive or anything, but yeah,
weird to strictly call out Thor. So the only reason I can think
of that is that Hemsworth isn't in on doing the car as he talked in
the interviews recently. If he plans on ten more years of thor or has
he has He expressed just after I guess after Love and Thunder. At one
point he was like, I'll do it forever, and then lately it hasn't
been like I don't want to do it, but because he had like that
kind of health scare about the bench and stuff where HEAs that he wants to
maybe end his career a bit more earlier so you can kind of just hang
out. But he still has talked many times about like doing thor or five.
So I don't think he I feel like, if he gets a pitch
and a check, he's there. I don't think it's like they're really having
to pull up. So it's like I feel like you can get him there,
or maybe that's it. Maybe the check would just be too big to
justify being Avengers, right, it's like, well, yeah, we paid
him this amount, and now we have all these new characters. Should we
really bring them in? We're bringing told we were bringing you. Yeah,
I mean that would be the other thing would just be that if they're trying
to do it from a strictly pacing perspective of you want to have that Captain
Marvel moment where she comes in and saves there has a big impact. You're
bringing this this character, and so maybe that's even what was part of the
plan was to have Kang Dynasty and then to Thor another Thor movie, and
then Secret Wars, and that's where he's not in that, not because they
don't want him on the team, but because they want him to come in
there for part two. Even though we're gonna have if it is here Oars
and we're bringing in Toby and all these other Marvel characters from time past,
you still want some MCU hype characters to join in there. So I guess
that would be maybe maybe my leading theory, but it is still weird to
just only say that about him, and because I feel like Hawkeye or Hulk
would be other good examples of that where maybe you don't want them in Kan
Dynasty because you really want it to focus on these new characters, but then
you can have them pop off in Secret Wars because that's gonna have every character
that's ever appeared in a Marvel movie. What about you, Taylor, You
want you want your newly established characters to have time to shine, and it's
tough because when you put these o G characters in there, they're going to
pull the spotlight. It's the same thing like, oh you put Luke Skywalker
and Force Awakens right away, people are gonna not be looking over at Ray
and Finn as much Luke Skywalker. So you gotta make sure you're playing this
carefully because I mean, if I see Hawk, if I see Hawkey,
I see Thor, I'm thinking, oh, here's my my Avengers team.
They're They're back, and I'm going to be more excited for them than I
am over your Miss Marvel, your Kate Bishop and stuff. And I'm not
saying that everyone's going to be like that. I'm sure other people are going
to be happy to see them represented too on the big screen. But I'd
like to see that. Yeah, that would be like I'd like to see
them take point over these other characters. But yeah, it's tricky how how
they would, guess, I guess pull that off because they all fit in
that that cat that that roster and then you see except Thor. But then
I don't know, you're somebody like unlike us, like you loved Quicksilver and
Angel Ultron Rain and he jumped in there with the original members, So can't
you like if you have a team of half originals, half newbies. As
long as you like give them enough equal screen time, you can maybe fall
in love with the new set of Avengers even though Thorn Hulk's there. That's
true, and it's it's you're not wrong. I have nothing to really argue
with that, except for the fact that maybe it's just like they're there.
The way their story was told, Well, no, I don't know.
I just I liked I liked getting Wanda and Quicksilver in that story because the
way that it was explained and their transition from being bad to good, whereas
these other characters, we've already grown used to them. And I mean,
if you put if you put let's say, Miss Marvel next to Hulk,
next to Hawkeye, next to Spider Man, next to Doctor Strange, how
do you feel about that? Do you feel like there's an America child as
as well? Like do you feel like there's you're gonna be able to hone
in on them Miss ma Amon? Yes, I think you could put her
in a lineup and she's gonna fit right in. I think it all just
comes down to the writing. Because America chov as to me, didn't have
like a enough, strong enough, a strong enough impression in Doctor Strange,
but I didn't think it was a problem of the actress. So I think
with them on you easily could because that character's very likable, very energetic,
stands out pops a lot, and that's where for me, like scrat Witch
and Quicksilver and both though like they both in that movie, don't they just
are very much in the background and they have a lot of screen time though
it's just that they never feel, I don't know, as valuable. So
I think you just have to pick and choose. So I think it is
tough. But if you if you give a people reason to care, which
is not easy. It's not like a click of the button. But if
you focus in and maybe just make sure you give as much attention to her
as the others, I think you can make her stand out. You know,
it doesn't mean you have to also make her like the top avenger who
saves a day. But okay, that's fair. She's had two projects of
setup now too, right, Like, she's pretty well if that of those
things isn't as high as you would hope for, but she's she's she's in
there. So as for them dealing with Kang on a smaller scale, not
multiversals going in different realms. That's uh, it's a puzzle, right,
That's a puzzle because it's the multiversal saga. Well, I think it would
be like this can a Kang or her varents whatever, But it's like him
just trying to take over maybe this specific world, this universe, you know,
the DMCU six one six. So that's being why it's small scale where
you know, maybe in Secret Wars that's every universe known to man, right,
that's why. Obviously it's a much bigger scale. So maybe that was
literally just Avengers versus Kang Kings. Yeah, yeah, well I mean that
doesn't sound like too exciting for to end of them. No, No,
Like I'm not like I'm not running over hills or mountains to for that kind
of a story. I was hoping that they would be able to. And
again, like I don't know if all the context of this, I'd be
hopeful of having something that was just really playing off of just the multiversal capabilities
and just what Kang is capable of doing with the multiverse. And I feel
like that would be really cool to see him that just the multiverse when you
harness that as a weapon. It's just so chaotically powerful, and we've seen
it get used in uncontrollable settings, albeit still controllable when you look at their
character like America Javas. But I still feel like that if you could,
if you have that power and it's refine, like with what the Kangs are
doing and the Kangs of all the super crazy technology, Like, there's just
so many cool, different cinematic like bewilderments that you could create with that kind
of a character. So I'd be so forward to just maximize that kind of
exploration. But if that's not what they're gonna do, when they're just gonna
stick to six one six, then I mean that's fine. It keeps us
to a lot of people in danger, right, like still Sam in danger.
That's capture Man, like you could lose Paul Rudd. You don't want
that. I guess I just get kind of greedy because I want to see
more of the variants. But I mean, that's what simple three is gonna
be for. So I had Secret Wars. You got that coming up too,
And maybe it's almost like we were talking about Spider Man, where if
you just do two of those it'll be too much. But I think that's
what they're gonna do, is they're gonna do too But you know, it's
kind of like in Finny War versus Endgame, and Finny War had lots of
crazy stuff, but it also wasn't going in the past revisiting MCU set pieces,
right, So that's true. Yeah, so we will see. That's
still I still I am waiting. I'm excited for calling con Or D twenty
three because I still think that's getting delayed and there's gonna be no, there's
no filming this year. I I don't know. I don't buy that for
a second. That's the rumors the end of the year they're starting to film,
and I just, yeah, I don't that's not happening, and they
can stay as much as they want, but we'll see.