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Last time checks us fine shins on
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in San Antonio over the Spurs.
Just got this stext from your radio voice

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of the Clippers and Carlo Jimenez.
The Clippers had thirty assists and fifteen steals

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tonight. It's just the fifth time
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have had at least thirty assists and
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you can downplay it, you can
try diminish it because it was against San

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Antonio and they're three and eleven now, But the Clippers absolutely did what they

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had to do to get starter's rest, to get ready a day off and

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then right back at it against the
Spurs on Wednesday. Coming up, we'll

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hear from Daniel Tys post game.
But joining the show now is Will Updyke

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from Clips and Dip. As we
already had a mention of the podcast from

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a caller earlier, Will, well, how are you doing? Thanks for

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doing a little Clips and double Dip
tonight here on Clippers Talk. Absolutely,

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you know, I'm I'm contractually obliged
to be here after any win, so

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here I am. I'm excited.
I think that we got a lot more

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of these coming up. It's weird
how you just like lock Charles in a

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closet whenever the Clippers win and he's
supposed to come on like it's kind of

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aggressive, but you know what it
fits for this Clippers team with that aggressive

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defense tonight, holding San Antonio to
just ninety nine points a team that was

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fourth and pace, and they shot
just forty three ten of thirty seven from

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the outside, only attempted fourteen free
throws. But I mentioned Daniel Tice coming

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in. How have you felt about
him through two games now? Will and

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the energy that he likes to bring
out there. I thought that he looked

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a lot better tonight. I kind
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if maybe he was struggling to sort
of get back into game shape. I

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know that he was unhappy with his
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just seemed like at times he was
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more effective tonight, you know,
against Albeit, I feel like overall,

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this is my thing overall, is
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But sorry, back to Tys.
I mean, I don't know what

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more you could want from the guy. Nineteen and seven hit the three pointer,

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so he's shooting one hundred percent from
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really know what more to say.
What like, it's assuming that at bare

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minimum, right, he can just
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of what Mason Plumley provided while he
recovers from that injury. I mean that

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I think it's it's pretty darn good. Yeah, why not? Where were

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you going there with just as being
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I feel like, you know,
this is the first blowout in the

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hardened era. This was just an
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I don't like playing down the competition, but a team that's in a little

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bit worse rate than some of the
teams they faced. And I know you

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can feel, however you want to
feel about some of those losses in the

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sixth game losing streak that certainly stare, But I feel like this was the

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kind of game that they needed to
play at their speed, be able to

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sort of play around with things,
get everybody involved where the stakes are a

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little bit lower, but we can
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And I thought that that I thought
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to now, we have seen a
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very concerning through the losing streak.
But a game like this on the road,

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we still do have to you know, you still do have to walk

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into somebody else's arena and come out
with a win. I thought this was

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just kind of the perfect setting for
this thing to marinate a little bit more.

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What did you make us some of
the lineups out there? Coach lou

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talked about it post game. He
liked Paul George with a lot of guys

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there in the second unit, and
he opened things up in that fourth quarter,

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next to Tye, next to PJ. Tucker, next to russ In

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Norn Powell. They were playing small, but you could say they were also

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playing big with their play out there, and Paul George was just spectacular down

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the stretch. I mean, Paul
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player who can lift any sort of
lineup. And you know, you've talked

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about it since early in this season. I really do think a lot of

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success is going to come in how
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two to one three, And I
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second unit is even with one of
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if there's like three non shooters out
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going to find ways to sort of
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having to continue to play PJ.
Tucker like fifteen plus minutes. I really

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liked not only the use of the
lineups, but I thought the shot distribution

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was really good as well. You
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need to both stay in rhythm and
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going to continue to put points on
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was reassuring for sure, especially when
to shout out my dude, Norm Powell.

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He was my player of the game
from the podcast coming in finish with

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nineteen and five with two steals,
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as soon as Harden came here,
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love the idea of the spacing,
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maybe even more so than than than
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who can make things really really easy
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we've heard Norm say hey Ethan in
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loves the catch and shoot, does
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not need to necessarily have the ball
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of creating for himself. So I
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I loved him in the closing lineup
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and I love the continuation here,
those those twelve field goal attempts. That's

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like, you know, right where
I want to be. I think he

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needs to be in that twelve to
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he is as a scorer when you
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norm He's going into this one,
he was shooting fifty one percent in those

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situations. Kawhi Leonard at fifty five
percent coming into this game, and he

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started zero for three, but then
knocked down a couple. He had a

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big dunk in the second quarter,
then a steal on Johnson after a board

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and dunked it just kind of took
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Dunk was disrespectful. I loved it. I loved the crowd booing so loud

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at Kawhi as soon as that moment
happened. He also in the third quarter

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had a pump fake on Wemby where
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with a no look to Zoo for
a dunk in that quarter too. That

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was just beautiful from Kawhi Leonard.
The game just looked so easy for him,

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and it wasn't, you know,
his most efficient night, I guess,

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twenty one points on seventeen shots.
But I like the fact that most

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shots so far. I believe he's
gotten up now next to James Harden,

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seventeen something to build on because he
started, oh for three and then I

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think he got to seven shots in
the first quarter. Anyways, he seems

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a little bit more aggressive right now. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and

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I think that's gonna come. I
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guess that was like sort of my
one negative of the win over the Rockets

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was just I felt that he was
being way too deferential, and you know,

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it's understandable, you're not trying to
ruffle feathers or whatever. But I

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think that he's definitely coming more into
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know, he's been He's been a
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game. But I think you know
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with these players being able to play
off of one another, and I'm excited

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to see how that looks when we
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steam, but we can still get
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which will come with offensive rebounding and
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we could get both Kawhi and Paul
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that like twenty field goal attempts per
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clicking, That's when I think this
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really dangerous. Now, well,
I'm not asking for one of your epic

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grants, but I'm gonna throw some
red meat out there because we've kind of

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been on the wave, the same
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James Harden and what needed to happen
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they're two to zero so far,
James Harden looks more comfortable. I

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just don't understand how people can't see
the vision of you know, the guy

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who led the league and assists last
season has done it multiple times and yet

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some people are saying he's just a
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He ends up with ten assist to
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I don't understand why there's this divide
in some areas of Clipper Nation and

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why you guys can't see the vision
of James Harden being the third option and

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that not just raising their floor in
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that, if it raises your floor
and you're a higher seed, then it

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raises your ceiling overall. And him
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I love that. Yeah. No, I mean, look, I

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understand the complaints on Harden's game,
but my thing is, if you're just

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an isolation store score, if you're
just a dribble or how are you leaving

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the league in assists? Those two
things don't really make sense. Look,

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he's just a three level score in
a way that Russ isn't. And this

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isn't to discredit Russ. I think
that Russ can be phenomenal off the bench.

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I think there might be situations where
Harden maybe doesn't have it going and

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we see Russ in the closing lineup. I'm not opposed to that we know

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what he can look like next to
those two stars. But for right now,

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it just makes the most sense to
use the guy that you gave up

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a first round pick for in the
starting lineup. And I know that,

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like I don't believe necessarily in the
sunken cost fallacy, but I mean,

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you have to at least try if
you're willing to give up that much,

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especially if you look at a guy
like Nick Patoomb flourishing in Philadelphia, it

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would be foolish to not at least
give a try to both James Harden and

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starting lineup and the guy that we
said was going to be in the starting

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lineup from the beginning in Terence Man. So I think it was the right

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way to go. And that's not
a discredit on Russ. I just feel

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like there's this weird thing going on
right now in the fan base and both

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Clippers fans, specifically Russ fans,
where this is like a personal like this

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is a personal assault or an attack, and it's just not Things weren't working.

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They don't work with those two together. That was exposed in the playoffs

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when they both played together in Houston. It was they were much younger in

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Oklahoma City, So I'm not going
to count that against them, but it's

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working right now. And I just
don't know why, with the Clippers first

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win streak in a while, why
there's any need to question that. If

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it ain't broke, don't fix it. Yeah, and it's not that we

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don't like Russ, but not at
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James Harden is the better player.
He's the better playmaker, he's the much

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better shooter. As you mentioned in
a three level scorer. He does things

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at a higher level than any point
guard they've had since CP three. And

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that's the truth. And Russell Westbrook
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and I thought we saw some of
that tonight. He was much better.

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He had six assists, two zero
turnovers. He was plus seven ten points,

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four of eleven shooting. I didn't
like some of the jump shots,

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but he started to get to the
basket afterwards, was finding guys and making

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life easier for Daniel Tice. I
don't know how many assists of his,

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Tye. But it's James freaking hardened. What are we talking about? Here,

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like, it's not about who you
like. It's about the Clippers winning

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ball games. It's about the team. It's it shouldn't be I'm team Russ

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or I'm team James Harden, your
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for them well, and it's not. I mean, look, it's not

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even about skill set, although James
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career is the more talented player in
my view, it's about fit, and

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clearly he's the better fit if you're
looking at the long game, if you're

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looking at the long view of what
this team could be and optimizing them with

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their most dangerous lineups on both ends
of the flour. That's just hardened.

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That's hardened for me. Well,
to me, it's the skill set makes

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him a better fit. But I
get what you're saying though. Also he's

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at Will Updyke at Will up d
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the greatest podcast. That's at least
some people say that every once in a

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while they walk up at Krypton.
Yeah, once in a while. It's

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called Clips and Dip. Check it
out at Clippers Pod at Clippers podcast on

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YouTube. We'll have a new one
for you. What tomorrow will yeah,

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I think so okay, let's do
it. Thanks for doing this tonight here

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on Clippers Talk, my friend absolutely
after any win, you know I'm here,

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baby front running will just kid.
Coming up next, you'll hear from

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Daniel Ty's post game Clippers win by
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Let's not divide the fan base.
House divided. Can't have it root

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for James Harden. If you didn't
like him before and you're still on the

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fence, I don't know what you've
been watching in the last two games.

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You gotta think ahead, you gotta
look long term, big picture here.

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