Hey everyone, thanks so much for tuning into this live stream episode of dog
Man Encounters. I really appreciate you coming and on tonight's show so that you
know we're going to welcome back Kim from episodes three ninety nine and four eighty
eight. On episode three ninety nine, Kim came on and talked about an
account she had when she was younger going down this lonely road when this ten
footer acrossed the road in front of her and scared the dickens out of her
wall. Fast forward to recent time, and I guess about maybe a month
or so ago, maybe a hair over a month ago, she had an
encounter with a female dog woman that she's named Imber. Well, last weekend,
when she was driving home from her mother's house, she happened to see
five dog men, And we're starting to wonder if that might not have been
Imber's family. And there's a good possibility when you listen to or share this
most recent experience, that Ember might have been with that group that day.
Well, without any further ado, let's bring Kim on here. Kim,
are you there? Hellovick, Hey, Kim, thanks so much for coming
back. I appreciate it glad to be here. Well, it's great,
halfn't you? It really is, Kim. Obviously, that first encounter you
had, the one you chronicled in episode three ninety nine, that shit keept
quite a bit. But from what you said on episode four eighty eight,
your encounter with Ember didn't. Did this most recent experience did it rattle you
at all? Or was it kind of like the one you told us about
with Ember. I would compare it with Ember because of the distance that they
were away from the road. They'd have been close to the road. I
might have been a little bit shook up, but it was really nice that
I could observe them the way I did. Oh, that's a good thing.
If you have to have a dog meaning encounter, if it's not a
traumatic one, that's a definite plus. Well, I could throw more questions
at you, Bud. Let's get down to brass tacks. If you don't
mind, please tell us about what happened when you have this most recent experience.
Oh okay, my mother lives in another town, and I've already explained
all this before. I'm on those back roads a lot because that's how I
come and go between here and there. I mean, I'm on the back
roads two or three times a week because my mother's older, of course,
and I just spend time with her. It's not that she needs my help
much. I just go out there. So working my mom are probably pretty
much my life. But I'm on these roads a lot, and I'm very
familiar with these roads. And on Saturday of last week, I was coming
home at about four point thirty to five o'clock, which is the sun going
down here where I live in Kansas City, and I was on a nice
paved asphalt road. It was It's a little nicer than some of the other
roads that I traverse. And I turned. I was originally headed south,
and I turned and was headed east. And as I headed east, I
encountered some woods in the field and some other woods. But just up the
hill from here is the interstate, and I saw Ember on the other side
of that interstate. If you drew a line as the crow flies, from
where she was and where these were, it was it could have been a
straight line, except that they had to get under or over that interstate somehow.
But it wasn't like a mile from where I saw Ember. I mean,
it's just crazy. And now I'm not saying that that is Ember.
I'm hoping it is, just you know, for the fairytale aspect of it.
But as I rounded that corner and headed up that street, there's a
house on my right. I drove past the house and on the left side
this field begins. There's woods at the east end of the west end of
this field, and the field gradually goes up a soft hill. It's not
a real steep hill. There's a lot of deer around, and the time
of night that I was driving, the deer are out, and so you
watch for them to cross the road or you know, you see them in
the fields. And I saw a movement at the top of the hill.
And if if I hadn't been paying attention, I would have totally missed these
guys. They were at the top of the crest of the hill. If
they had been past that area, I wouldn't have gotten to see them either.
It was like it was just it was just too it was just too
perfect. I saw movement and I looked, and I knew immediately what they
were. I've been on the shows enough listening and looking at pictures, and
they're deniably were dog men. There were two that were large and were walking
up right and in the probably three to four foot tall dry golden grass.
You know, this timing, everything turns a yellow. I like, I
like to say gold. I don't like to be negative. But the golden
tan grass that Kansas particularly, we have a we have a prairie grass,
and this field is not particularly motor kept much. So I see the two
dog men that are walking, but I could see something in the grass,
and I kept watching. I actually pulled over because they were about three hundred
feet from the road and I felt it was safe and I had to.
I had to see them. I can't drive past this, and I didn't
have I didn't have my binoculars. They're in the car now. I promise
they're in the car. If there is the next time, I'm going to
see what I'm looking at. So these guys are at the top of the
hill and there's movement in the grass, and I thought it might be coyotes
moving with them, but it was three. It was there were It was
three of the same species. There were three other dog people. They did
eventually stand up and walk on all fours. This field is probably not even
an acre across, So this whole encounter or experience. This wasn't really an
encounter. Probably took a total of a minute, maybe a minute and a
half. They were not in any way, shape or form moving quickly.
They were just ambling along, just like they were down on the country club
plaza looking at the lights. They're just strolling across there. And there were
two bigger ones about the same size. The other three were like stairsteps.
I can't give you a footage because I wasn't close enough to them to gauge
actual height. But there was one a little smaller than the big ones,
and then another one that was smaller, and then another small one. Uh
Now, these guys, the two big ones were Bronnie. We're Bronnie guys.
They were well proportioned, had the triangular upper body, and I could
even I could even notice their ears twitching a little bit. Uh So,
and let's see, I don't know if I saw tails. I don't.
I can't say anything about tails. I could not see their lower feet exactly
because of the grass. But anyway, there were five of them, and
there was a smaller one, and I'd say the smaller one was probably five
foot because this grass was probably at the at its tallest about four feet,
and I could see that that smaller one above the grass, it's head.
But I saw off there were five of them, and Vic and I discussed
this about why would they be all together like that, because I guess that's
not a common thing. But they were just marching across the field just as
you know, as happy as you could be. And they were going from
east to west. Uh, the Interstate is east, so they had come
and the and the Interstate is not that far from where they the woods.
They came out of those inn Let's see, there's a road, let's see,
let's see less. Let me think, yeah, there's a road.
There's a road behind them, it would be a road, and then and
there's a little bit of space and then the interstate. So they were coming
out of a thin band of woods not far from the interstate. Now the
woods that they were traversing into, there's a house. It's behind a house.
And then there was a house behind me to the right. So were
there were people everywhere. I didn't see anybody, but this is a residential
area and there were five of these guys. Uh, just amazing. Anyway,
I did kind of glance around a little bit to see if there was
anybody around, and there wasn't. I don't know what I would have done
if I'd seen somebody and not a single car went by, and that time
of night there should be people coming home from work. But I just had
my my minute alone with these these five creatures, and it's amazing that they
were. There were so many of them, and I believe me, it
pretty much set me to be convinced now that they are definitely in this area.
I wish the people that had told me that they had seen encounters in
the same areas I have would please give their stories to VIC. I would
love to hear them. I'm just wanting to know what other people have seen
in common with what I'm seeing here in this area. Vic, I don't
know what else to say other than it was just crazy. Yeah, that's
a good way to sum it up. And so that you know, if
those people do contact me to let me know about those encounters, I'll definitely
let you know in turn, and I'll see if I can arrange a conversation
so you can speak with them. If you'd liked you, Oh, that
would be oh my gosh, that would be great. Yeah, that would
be just great. Yeah, be glad to do that. You count on
it, Yeah, definitely. All right. Well, I've already got a
question for you, and it is from James Escobar. James wants to know
what type of dogmen were they. Well, I'm I'm assuming they were just
the I don't know how they go one, two, three. This is
just the main This is just the plane dog man with the the the canine
haunches and that foot dog dog stole foot. They weren't. They were not
walking on straight legs, so they're not. It wouldn't be the number three
kind that look more human. These were the kind that I've seen before,
just just like Ember and my big guy fifty years ago, looking just like
a dog standing up on the on its back feet except for the arms.
And the funny thing is is their arms. Their arms were actually swinging,
which makes you kind of think of a a an ape the way they were,
you know, ambling along those long arms. Well, their arms are
pretty ape like in a lot of cases, so yeah, that makes sense.
I've got another question for you from j Mommy, and she wants to
know what state is kim in Kansas. All right, I've got that taken
care of looking for the next question, which is from Gia Blonde, and
Gia wants to know what is the relationship between dog Man and the rake?
Do you know the Do you know anything about rakes? Kim, No,
I don't know anything about rakes. The only other creature I've ever experienced,
I've told you, is a skin walker's style, So I actually don't know
of what that would I can't answer that. Sorry, I'm glad you can't.
Hope you never do have an experience with a rake. Oh, I
think a rake would probably terrify me. Yeah, that makes two of us,
it probably would. That's why I'm so glad you never had an experience
with one. Hope you never do, that's for sure. Well, I've
got another question for you from the Polish mom, and she wants to know
do you think they saw you? No, they did not. They didn't
notice me at all. I had my eyes on them the whole time and
they never once looked down that hill. They didn't notice me at all.
But you have to realize they just came out of an area where there's an
interstate, so motor vehicles are something that that they're familiar with. So my
car being down the hill from them probably didn't affect them at all. Oh,
I'm sure it didn't. It takes a lot to knock them off their
game, so to speak. So yeah, for them, I'm pretty sure
those businesses usual. For all I know. They might have been following some
deer. I didn't see any deer, but all I saw was them,
But they were crossing the field. They might have been after, you know,
some deer across there. Yeah, they might have been making a living
out there. Before we move on, if you have any questions for a
Kim, please be sure to type it in all the caps. I don't
miss it. I've been missing questions because they aren't in all the caps,
and if I can't, I want to prevent that. Well, moving on,
If one of those dog people happened to be Imber, do you have
an opinion on which one it might have been? Did you see any that
just might have been her? Well, they were too far away to tell
the sex. But since the two tallest ones, let's let's let's change that
the two smaller ones. One was exactly about half the height of the two
bigger ones, So she, if it was Ember, she would have been
smaller one or the next to the smaller one. I see that makes sense.
Well, I've got a question from Victor Peluci and Vic wants to know
do you think there's Do you think they're a natural animal or supernatural? I
think they're a natural animal. I've encountered supernatural type stuff, and these guys
don't feel like a supernatural being to me. That's one of those questions that
if you do this or any period of time, that's probably one of the
biggest questions that still remains unanswered that you just beat your head against the wall
about. I mean, if you think about it, there are so many
credible eyewitnesses who report seeing these guys do things that point soundly towards them having
to be supernatural. And then on the other hand, you have so many
incredible eyewitnesses too who report seeing these guys doing so many things to point soundly
towards these guys having to be flesh and blood. So wow, I don't
even really know what to think about. That is strange of as strange of
a creature as they are, and if anyone were to believe in parallel universes,
they possibly that doesn't necessarily make them supernatural. Being able to be in
more than one, you know, the universe at a time or plane.
So that's a possibility too, that they just come and go between two parallel
universes, which means they have abilities above and beyond ours. That doesn't necessarily
make them supernatural, because if it's a natural thing that they can do,
then you know it's natural for them. Yeah, that's a good point.
Yeah, that's very well said. I've got another question for you from the
poolish mom. She wants to know what time was it when you saw them.
How close were they to an actual house where people live. I'd have
to think about that for just a second. The house, Well, they
were three hundred feet from the road, so there was a house right over
my shoulder, so they were three three hundred and fifty feet from a house
maybe that direction. And then the direction they were headed, they were probably,
oh maybe five meters behind the house that was on the next road before
they crossed through the woods. I see, well that's pretty close then,
Yeah, it is really close. Yeah, that is close. I've got
more of a comment than a question from c Phantom nine. They are or
in their comment to say, as Hi Vic from Experienced dog Man's body movement
seems to be more aligned regarding a supernatural aspect, really really fast. In
other words, what are your thoughts? Do they maybe manipulate our perception?
And the show was about Kim, so I'm going to throw that at you.
Kim, do you have any opinions on that? Well, since I
don't believe they're supernatural, I mean, I really can't answer that. I
know they move very swiftly because I know that when little Amber was in the
woods coming through the woods, I could hear her, but I didn't see
anything for a long time, and she was moving pretty fast. So as
for the speed and that big one that I encountered when I was a teenage
girl, he moved really fast, really fast. So I understand what he's
saying. Yeah, it does make sense. When I read that, I
thought, Okay, I see where he's coming from. All right. The
next question is from HM five Y and they want to know was it a
family of dog men? You saw? There were five and they were varied
in size. I'm thinking they were a family. When I talked to Vic
originally about that, I asked him if that could be Amber's family. I
think it was a family, I do. I mean, and like I
said, you know, they're making remarks about them not moving very fast,
but you know, the short distance they crossed in that minute wasn't that far
across. But they weren't moving fast. They were ambling along. And that
kind of puts me in mind of a family at ease with each other.
Maybe maybe no pressure. Maybe they just didn't know where they were headed for
sure, and we're kind of looking for a safe place to go. So
yeah, they seemed like a unified group, a family. That makes sense,
all right. The next question for you is from Shira Lee, and
Shira Lee wants to know do you think dog men would bring their puffs to
see you? Oh, wouldn't that be great? Do I think they would
bring their pups to see me? Well, they allowed a half grown pup
to be seen by me, so maybe I'll get to see some pups.
I definitely am on the outlook for them now. I'd love to see their
pups, but I don't know if they bring them to me. Well,
at the at the rate you're going, you just might see some more puffs.
Well, I guess Ember is not really a pup, But yeah,
like I said, at the rate you're going, they just might bring some
pups to you, it's hard to say. I wouldn't be surprised. Well,
the next question is from she and Michael Crisp with the West Coast dog
Man Project, and she wants to know are there any native burial grounds or
reservations where you had your encounter? See there? Okay, this area does
have a lot of Indian history, specifically not to the area where they were,
but I do believe they thought they ran into some Indian burial grounds when
they were putting or putting in four thirty five. That's been years ago,
that place that highway went in. Oh, I don't know, twenty five
years ago. And I do think they encountered some Indian burial grounds when they
were putting that in. Yeah, so yes, the answer is yes,
I guess yes. Yeah, that's a common thread amongst encounters. So good
question. Well, the next question is from a recent guest, Adolf Santa
Stephen, and Adolph wants to know. Ad wants to know what and length
was their hair? Did dogs in the neighborhood bark at all? No?
No, it was that eerie loud silence, and they weren't not close enough
to me for me to note a variation in their hair color, but it
appeared to be dark. They were all black or gray. I would I
would think it would be my judgment on that, all right. The next
question is from miscreed Junkie, and they want to know what color were they?
Was the fur meat or matted? Oh kind of think of it.
It was a little messed up because I know the three smaller ones on all
fours and were dragging through that grass, so I would it was messed up.
They weren't all I mean they like I said, they were too far
away for me to note, like sticks and mud and things tangled to their
hair, but they were. They were messed up. They weren't looking They
didn't look like they came straight out of the salon this time. Well,
when you consider how these guys make a living, that's not a surprise they
can't always look tidy. The next question is from Dan Lardino. I don't
know if you know the answer to this question, but he wants to know
how many types of dogmen are there. Well, from what I've gleaned from
just the shows and things I watch, three types. I'm not clear on
what the three types are exactly, but I know the third type is the
one that looks that has the more human looking legs and stands more upright,
These guys were of either the first or second type. Vic D, can
you answer that? Yeah, there are two main categories of dog men.
You've got what I call canine type dog men, like the ones that you've
seen with the canid style legs. Then you have what people refer to as
type threes or googway. They have a hominid style legs and some of them
have heads look kind of bad, boonish. But inside of both of those
two main categories you have several multiple variants. So yeah, it's hard to
put a number, an exact number on how many types of dogmen there are,
but yeah, there are tons of different types. I mean, I've
spoken with people over the years about probably the people I've spoken with that probably
had encounters with seven or eight variations of each of those two main categories.
So there are a lot of variances out there when it comes to dog men.
But the next question is from Dire Wolf Dan, and Dan one wants
to know if one of the dog men were Imber, do you think she
trusts you Kim with seeing her pack? Well, if they have the capacity
of knowing that I'm close by. From what I've experienced, I would say
yes, and too. I don't think it's really up to her if the
pack shows himself to you or not. I mean, she's not really a
kid, but I think it's pretty safe to say that she doesn't call the
shots. No, but I'm saying if they if they know, and they
and when I saw Ember, if these guys were close around, then then
they would have they would have seen me too. Yeah, that's a good
point. The next question is from Victor Polucci. Vic wants to know how
big were they? Okay, I'm just gonna hazard a guess here. The
two biggest ones were probably seven feet, and then there was one that was
maybe six feet, and then the other two or maybe five and four feet
because they were just exact stairsteps from the two biggest, and then the other
three got smaller. I'm sure that's a site that's never going to leave your
mind. No, definitely not. Yeah, I understand why. Well.
The next question is from Spooney's World, and that question is what's the number
one piece of advice you'd give if you cross paths with a dog man?
I'd say peacefully back away or just go away. I mean, so far,
I've been on four rubber wheels when I've seen them, So my thing
would be just leave in a peaceful way. I have no intension of ever
engaging one, but I sure would stop to look if it was a safe
distance. Now that the experience I had with Ember was a surprise, I
really did not expect to see her when I stopped. She was just there
all of a sudden. Yeah, she kind of forced her hand on that
one. The next question is from dire Wolf Dan, and Dan wants to
know could Ember trust Kim with seeing her pupps when she has some Oh,
definitely she could trust me. I wouldn't tell a single soul. I would
just tell her they were pretty and healthy, and she was lucky and going
about my business. Gosh, that would be something, Yes, it would
be. I don't think the word something really sums it up, does it.
No? Not at all. No, it doesn't. And you wouldn't
believe all the questions pouring in Kim. Holy cow, we've got our hands
full here. Looks like the next question for us from c Phantom double O
nine and he says, Hi, Vic, what was the first thought and
or feeling during the encounter. Thank you. The current encounter, yes,
was I just I just realized they were dog maned, and I said,
I'm going to stop. I'm going to stop and watch. I don't I
don't have a fear of them, especially at a distance like that. I
don't have an innate fear of them. I'm not stupid. I would never,
like I said, engage one, but it was. It's I considered
a privilege. They totally enthralled me and triggered me, and I will definitely
be looking for them from here on out. Well, I can understand why
three encounters in and who knows the many you might have in the future,
But at least you're having good encounters, relatively good encounters, so it could
definitely be a lot worse. All right. The next question is from method
Unsound, and that question is do you think of I'm not going to ask
that question. We'll leave that one. I saw it asked. Let's see.
The next question is from Sam Taylor, and that question is do you
think the dogman is responsible for some of the disappearances of missing people? I
think that's definitely possible, but only from the stories that I've listened to.
I definitely know by looking at them they have a capability, But so far
my encounters have been peaceful with these guys. And if I totally absorb and
decide that that's my opinion, then it's going to create a fear in me.
So I'm just going to leave that. Maybe it's one of the other
kinds. I don't know, or maybe it just depends. Just like us,
we defend our families, we defend our our homes, and I don't
know if one would be vicious and actually attack, But maybe there's just a
missen understanding. They are animals. As intelligent as they are, there's still
animals at this point. We don't know any different, So what are the
reasons for, you know, taking people? If that person is just in
the wrong place at the wrong time. It's kind of spooky when you think
about how some of those bodies are found. So, I mean, how
do we know it's dog men? There's a lot of other things that could
be too. I'm on the dog man's side. I'm sorry. Well,
yeah, you've had three encounters that turned out to be pretty amicable, so
yeah, I can understand why you would be even that first encounter with a
ten footer that across the road. Yeah, that really frightened you. But
he never really did anything to seem aggressive or anything like that. So even
that one wasn't an encounter with a dangerous dog me and what you could call
a dangerous dog me in So yeah, thank goodness, But you have to
you have to realize that I thought I was looking at Satan as a sixteen
year old young lady. I that's what I thought I was seeing. I
didn't know what a dog man was. So yes, that was terrifying.
Well, yeah, yeah, that would terrify anyone. That's definitely understandable.
Well, the next question is from the Polish mom, and she wants to
know were you scared it all? No, not this time at all.
Ember. I was a little bit scared because I didn't know what who else
was around this one. No, I had no reason to be scared.
They were too far away, they weren't noticing me, they were just going
about their life. I was more just struck with awe than anything. Did
bear her teeth at you? Also? So, I mean yes she did.
She sure did. She buried her teeth at me. She decided I'd
looked at her long enough I think. I mean, who knows I just
left. I'm not. I'm too smart to try to, you know,
get it out in that. Don't blame you, all right. Have another
question from Timothy's self, and Tim wants to know have you ever felt threatened
with any dog me an encounter to the point you left your location? The
first one, the first one I felt threatened. I wasn't threatened. He
didn't do anything. But yes, I insisted the driver of the truck leave
immediately because he he slowed down because he was in shock at what was crossing
the road, and he was going to just sit there, and I said,
no, let's go, go, go, get out of here.
Now. Yeah, definitely I left. It scared me to death. That
one scared me to death. When you see a ten foot dog man in
close proximity, yeah, that's gonna shake you up quite a bit. That's
natural. Well. The next question is from Jamie Cope, and Jamie wants
to know, Hi, Kim, did you see them walk by pedal lee
or on all fours? Did you see them transition from four to two legs?
And did you hear any sounds when they did? Okay, these guys,
I did see them stand up. Two of them were bipedal. The
three smaller ones originally were down in the grass on all fours, but they
as they progressed across the field, they all stood up. That's how I
saw them, or five of them. Now, Ember, she started to
get she started to she was upright when I first saw her. She started
to go down at all fours and then stood back up. I didn't hear
any popping or any noises. No, yeah, at that distance, I
don't know how you could. Well the name let's talk about Amber. Well,
you still you're in your car, and she wasn't right on top of
you, but there was a little bit of distance, so it still might
have been hard to hear. I didn't hear any And it was Wendy that
day too, very Wendy. Yeah, that doesn't help. Well. The
next question is from a pure normal quest with ANNG and she wants to know
do you think that Cuba Capra and the dog Man are related? The Bloodsucker?
Oh no, no, I don't. I don't think they're related at
all. I think they're two separate cryptids, all right. The next question
is from the Polish mom. She wants to know who do you think would
win a battle dog me in her big foot. I think it would probably
depend on the age, the size of the experience of the particular creatures.
I can't judge on that one. Yeah, that's a pick on me.
Think about it. An adult Chihuahua could be a two week old Rottwiler,
So yeah, it just depends. There's so many variables. And please remember
everyone, if you have any questions, please remember to type them in all
caps. That way I won't miss them, all right. The next question
is from C. Phantom W nine. He says, Hi, Vic,
where do you think Dogman prefers to lay down to rest caves? Dens,
trees? Thanks? Well, tonight's show is all about Kim, it's not
about me. I want to direct that to Kim. Do you have any
opinions on that. In the area that I've encountered them recently, there aren't
any well, there aren't any caves. The only caves in this area,
even the natural ones, have been taken over by mint, by mint and
by man to be made into cold storage. So I'd say they're probably having
to bed down in the field somewhere. But then there's you know, there's
Interstate seven and tunnels. I mean Interstate four thirty five, and well there's
there's K seven too. We have two highways that have tunnels, so that's
a possibility too, all right. This next question is kind of related to
the last one, but it's from a different person. This one is from
a paranormal quest with a g and and you wants to know, Hi,
Kim, do you think they live in cave systems? And do you think
they use them to move unseen? I just answered that one. There aren'ty
cave systems in this area for me to think about that particular topic. Like
I said, though, there are lots of tunnels or you know, water
man made waterways underneath the highways, but they're only about a mile from the
Kansas River where I'm seeing them, so there may be something down along that
area that they can utilize to hide in or traversed along the river too.
That's not a good answer. I didn't give a very good answer, but
that's what I think. Well, it's kind of a tough question, kind
of hard to answer. This next question is from Lance, and Lance wants
to know and what capacity would you camp with small children? Knowing what you
know about dog men, it would have to be a very populated campground,
I mean lots of people. Otherwise not No, I wouldn't camp with small
children. Yeah, when you know these guys are out there, he definitely
does change the complexion of camping. So I can understand why you would say
that. But two think about it, camp all the time with their kids,
small kids and don't have any problems. Of course some people do,
but yeah, that's definitely the exception and not the rule. So yeah,
people they rub elbows figuratively. They rub elbows with these guys all the time
on camping trips, when they hike, when they fish, and don't have
any trouble. So if you want to go fishing, if you want to
go camping, live your life. Of course, take the proper precautions,
don't be foolish about it. But yeah, I mean, I hope you
just focus on living your lives and you don't let this paralyze you, the
knowledge that these guys are out there paralyze you, because if you do,
it really would be a shame. If you're talking about an eyewitness who's had
an encounter or encounters with a dog meannor dog men. Yes, understandable that
it would take time to get back out there, and I wouldn't want them
to rush back out there. You know, all good time, not too
much weight on a young back. But ultimately, if you can bring yourself
to getting back out there and doing the things that you love to do,
that should be the end goal. If you think you can muster doing that.
But the next question for you is from mystery Junkie, and they want
to know did any of them have tails? If so, were they a
long short bush here thin. I don't recall if the ones crossing the field
had tails or not. I didn't take that in. I was not looking
for that. If they did, I may not have been able to see
them because of the height of the grass. But Ember had a tail.
Yeah, you're doing good to take in all the details you did. When
I've had eyewitnesses come on the show, I've had some come on that we're
pretty good at throwing details out there, recalling things about the dog men or
dog man they saw. But you have to really give it to Kim here.
I mean, she is spot on when it comes to putting those details
out there, organizing them in a way that it's easy to understand and picture
what she experienced. You've got to give her a lot of credit. She's
really good at doing that. I'm impressed. Well, Kim, I'm wondering
how close were you to home when you had this most recent experience. Well,
it was about a mile from where I saw amber, so I was
right about three and a half miles. Three and a half miles. I
see. Well, let's see. You've got another question for you from c
Phantom nine, and that question is any comments regarding dog man's behavior when cameras
are present and during the night with illuminated areas. Do you know anything about
that? No? No, I don't know. I don't know anything about
the cameras. I not had any experience with that. Sorry. Oh no,
that's not your fault. I mean you're not a dog man researcher,
so how could you answer that question? No, I'm not a dog man
researcher. I'm a dog man. Spot that's right, that you are looks
like I have part two to Jamie Coop's question, and that is do you
think that dog men have a thicker hide more like a cow with long hair
for protection? Yes, I do agree with that. I do think they
have a longer, thicker hair, it would make sense for them to have
that protection from the environment of the weather anyway, to keep them warmer if
they're out out in the different temperatures, keep them warm in the summer or
warm in the winter and cooler in the summer. They're definitely well adapted for
their environment. And there have been eye witnesses kim who have had an encounter
or encounters and they're terrified at the idea of having another one. Well,
there's been nights where it's been nasty out, or days when the weather is
just nasty cold, bitter cold, and it's snowing and blowing and no one,
no thing, and it's right, mind would be out, you would
think, But they have encounters with dog men still, So anyone listening,
if you're in a situation where you think you might have dogmen around your home,
or you might be in an area where dogmen are, don't think for
a second that just because it's so nasty out that dog men might not be
out and about making a living, Because yeah, they have been seen even
on the roughest of nights or days when it comes to weather, doesn't seem
to really deter them at all. If they're going to want to get out.
They're going to get out, and that's all there is to it.
Well, the next question for you is from Mystery Junkie, and that question
is what color were Ember's eyes? The brightest gold? It's like they were
on fire. That's where she got her name Amber. I can only imagine
what it must have been like to look into those highs. Wow. All
right. The next question is from Sira Lee, and that question is do
they ever come to your home? They haven't so far. It's not that
I don't expect it now. I wouldn't be surprised if they did. Well,
they might, but I don't know. That's left to be seen.
I doubt that they will. I've put this out there before on other shows
I've done. You've got all these people who fall for this whole novelty when
it comes to dog men. I want to have a Doggian encounter. I
want to have a dog in the encounter. So they do all these things
to put themselves in positions to try and have an encounter, and on more
occasion than one, when they ultimately do have an encounter, they fall to
pieces. I mean, I had a guy recently, not too long ago,
contact me he's a dog mean researcher, or I said he was a
dog mean researcher, and he's crying to me for help because he was going
to an area where he believed a dog me in to be holding up making
a living. And now Vic helped me that dog me in that I've been
researching. He followed me home. So basically, this dog me and flipped
the script, and instead of you going out there to research him in his
home, here returned the favor. He's coming to your home, I guess
to research you. So anyone out there listening who's got it in their mind
that they want to go out and they've got to have this encounter, be
careful what you wish for, because it ain't no fun when the rabbit gets
a gun. I didn't say I wanted it. I said I wouldn't be
surprised if it happened. No, you did it, But I'm putting it
out there for people that do want to have incount. I know I'm right,
Oh no, but it still wouldn't surprise me. No surprise me.
Probably terrify me, but it wouldn't surprise me at all. Yeah. Well,
in the areas I've seen them they're very populated. Well, like I
said, I real hope it never does happen. I hope they never do
pay you a visit. I don't need it. I think i'd have to
move understandably. So yeah, that does tend to change things. Well.
The next question for you is from Patrick Reagan or Reagan, and this question
is did Ember have any sort of facial expression? Oh? Definitely, she
was making faces at me the whole few seconds that she stood there. She
was a sassy little thing, wasn't she. Yeah, she was, definitely,
she was totally. She is not what I would expect my experience of
a dog man to be at all, if I was going to have one.
This is not at all what I would have expected. Yeah, when
you described how she was carrying on, yeah, I was thinking, I've
never heard of an encounter like that. But I mean it does make sense,
her being young and all that, for her to act that way,
I guess, so, Yeah, that must have been quite a sight to
see. Well. The next question for you is from Ad Santa Stephen and
AD's question is does ever have a pair of breasts or more like a dog's?
They remind me more of like a dog's but she wasn't completely developed either.
They were kind of small and soft, they weren't they It just made
sense to me she wasn't completely developed, but she could definitely see them.
But no, they weren't human looking, all right. Well, the next
question is from the Polish mom, and she wants to know if you told
your family that you saw a dog men. If yes, did they believe
you the first one I saw? Yes, I've told my entire family.
I've tried to explain Ember's appearance to my son, and I think he believes
me, but I also think he's a little bit larry of believing in something
like that. Of course, I've told my mother and she just kind of
looks at me. This last, these last guys, I haven't told anybody
about yet. It takes me a little while to work up the courage to
tell anybody. Well, that's not easy to do. I can understand why.
And you never know, your mom. Sometime down the road she might
have an encounter of her own, and yeah, that should make her change
her tune. So as many as many deer as she has on our property,
it definitely wouldn't surprise me. Yeah, that would make sense. And
by the way everyone in the live chat. These are really good questions tonight.
Yeah, keep up the great work. And like I said earlier,
if you have any questions for Kim, then yeah, please be sure to
type them in all caps. Well, the next question for you is from
Spooney's World, and that question is who was the first person you told about
Ember and did they believe you? The first person I told about Ember was
a friend of mine at work, and from the expression on her face,
she didn't believe me. It was like, sure, oh boy, she
knows better. Yeah, yeah, one of those people. Well see it
for what it is. That's just her ignorance. She is entitled to it.
She can think whatever she wants. But yeah, we know that.
I know. But since her and I have a lot of the other beliefs
in common, which we won't go into here, I thought she'd be accepting,
but I'm not sure she was. Yeah, well you'll have that.
Well, I've got another great question for you from Timothy's self, and Tim
wants to know do you think Imber knew you were a female? Also?
Yes, I do. I do. I think she did. I think
she knew. I don't know why I think that or how I know that,
but yeah, I'm pretty sure she knew that I was a female woman.
Yes, female human, I mean female I female human. Yes,
she knew that. All right. I've got a question here. It's not
in all cavs. Almost missed it because of that, but it's another good
question from Lily Lewis, and that question is did you hear any kind of
mind speak or did you get any kind of message from her? You know,
I wondered about that. I think I did. I think I did.
I think I did, because it was like, it's kind of like,
what are you looking at her? You know, why are you looking
at me like that? Something like that. But it was kind of that
was an afterthought because I had that thought go through my mind that she's saying
why are you looking at me like that? Or why are you still here?
Or something like that. But that was an afterthought because I at first
I thought that I was putting a caption. I was speaking to myself and
putting a caption to her facial expressions. But it could have been that,
it really could have all right. The next question is from Stephen why shopped?
And Stephen wants to know whereas question is, Hi, guys, how
tall was emb About five feet? I'm five feet three and I'd say she
was about five feet. Yeah, she was young then, all right.
The next question is from Patrick Reagan, and that question is have you had
any dreams about dog men or dog women after the incident? Yes? I
have. I've had a few tussles in my in my mind at night about
the amber thing, and it was because of my fear of her dad,
brother, mat, partner, whatever being around and discovering me sitting there looking
at her. Yes, I had a few, a few disturbing dreams of
that style. Well, when you have an experience, like any of these
experiences you've had, it's only natural that you're going to dream about them.
So yeah, that shouldn't surprise anyone that you had those dreams, all right.
The next question is from Jamie Cope, and Jamie wants to know,
Kim, were you able to go back later and check for tracks. I
did not go back and check for tracks. I did go back. I've
been down that road several times, just looking at the lay of the land
and the woods and considering the houses around there, and just because I can't
when I go through that area, that's what fills my mind is they're here,
and this is where they are. I did not go back and look
for tracks. No. If I had scrambled down the road, I might
at the side of the road. I might have not been able to get
back up the road. I am an older lady, I'm sixty five,
So no, I did not. Well too, if you would have gone
back to look for tracks, what would you have done if you turned around
and nimbers are holding the bucket ready to pour the plaster into the prince and
all that wouldn't be good. Well, there's no place to park the car
either. There's no shoulders, and it's very curvy. It would have been
dangerous if another car had come along. Yeah, sounds like it must have
been or it would have been all right. I eight. The next question
is I'm not sure if this is a question. Yeah, I guess it
is a question, but I don't understand it. It's from Helen Keenan.
Can you clarify this for me? Helen? It reads Hi, Vic and
Kim is dog men related? And then I see a tee. I'm not
sure what you're asking here. She was thinking if those guys were related,
I think, and I my fantasy about that group, is that Yes,
they're Amber and her family. I see, Okay, yeah, that makes
sense. The next question is from Trey, maybe the third, and Trey's
question is have you ever tried to feed her and tried capturing a picture?
No, I would not have been foolish enough to try to feed her,
And yes I thought about the picture, but after the fact, I couldn't
have scrambled to get my phone fast enough to take a picture of her.
And besides, it was a very short encounter and I wanted the pictures in
my mind. So no, I didn't take a picture. Can you imagine
that if you would have scrambled for your phone to try and snap a photo,
and you're looking down at your lap to get your phone out or wherever
your phone is, and you look up and she's gone. You missed,
however, many seconds of observing this amazing creature, all because you're focused on
trying to get that million dollar picture of it or her. That would have
been horrible. Yeah, but I had her picture forever burned into my mind's
eye. It's just amazing. I consider it's such a privilege to be ables
here and nobody else has seen anything like her. That I know of so
I was the lucky one exactly. You've got that picture in your mind's eye.
Yeah, that's the best picture there is. All right. The next
question, I guess it's a comment is from sugar Moon Guard and she says,
sorry, I didn't realize I needed to do all caps till now,
So beer spray as a deterrent, And that's all right. I'll forgive you
for not realizing you needed to do all caps, but unfortunately there is a
twenty dollars fine. I do accept cash check a charge Sugarmoon Garden, So
yeah, see me after the show and I'll collect that way. But as
far as their question goes, do you believe in using beer spray as a
deterrent? Kim? If I were going to go into any wooded area for
a period of time, I would probably carry bear spray just for my safety
in general. Hopefully you'd never have to use it on a dog man,
because there are so many instances where I believe a dog man is just trying
to bluff charge you or get a response out of you. But if you
do something like shoot a dog mean, or use beer spray on a dog
man and it actually injures the dog man or it hurts the dog man.
There is a difference between being hurt and injured. If you do either one,
I mean, who knows how they're going to respond to that, So
you hopefully will never come to that. If you remember earlier, I had
a question what would I do? And I just said that I would peacefully
try to back away and leave. I wouldn't want to harm them. Oh,
of course you wouldn't. But there are people out there who if they
had some bear spray on their hip or a ten millimeter pistol on their hip,
they think they're ready to go. And if they do have a dog
in any counter, that's the first thing they're going to do is to reach
for that bear spray or that pistol. So, yeah, you wouldn't fall
into that trap, but there are plenty of people who would unfortunately. All
Right, The next question is from c Phantom Double nine, and that question
is Hi, Kim. Did anything stand out in regards to how they interacted
with each other in their surroundings? Thanks? I think that maybe where they
were walking across they felt they were pretty camouflaged. I know, the hill,
it went up the hill, they were just at the top of the
hill and the hill went down the other side. I think maybe they just
thought they were crossing in a safe space, and that's not a very wide
field, so they may have chose that crossing area for a reason, all
right. The next question is from the Polish mom and her question is do
you think dog men can physically hurt you? Or are or is all that
they want to do is to scare you off to death. I think that
their first intention is to scare you. I feel if they wanted to,
they could definitely hurt you. Yes, they most definitely could if they want
to. You're right. Well. The next question is from Helen Keenan,
and Helen wants to know, Hi, Vic and Kim are dogmen related to
Anubis? And do they cloak and go invisible? Where do they come from?
I'm not sure if you know the answers to those questions. I'm not
too sure I know the answers to those questions. Well. I know back
in history that there are several theories of dog style people, and there is
more than one god in the world that has a doghead, and there are
ancient stories about people in like Siberia and a few other countries that have encountered
dog style people in the mountains, that's historical. But as far as them
wearing a cloak, no, and becoming invisible. That those the cloak and
the invisibility. That sounds like Harry Potter. Huh, Harry Potter. All
right. The next question is from Liance and he wants to know, Kim,
why do you think the government covers up the existence of dog men?
Why do they cover? Well, they cover Look at everything else they cover
up. They cover it up for the same reason. This is too deep
of a theory for you to want to know. My opinion, I think
they hide a lot of things from us. I have my I could give
you a two hour speech on that subject, so I'll just leave it at
that. Yeah, there's a lot that goes into answering that question. All
right. The next question is from Lily Lewis and she wants to know do
you feel connected to Imber to her in her clan? Now, you know
that's a funny question because she is always in my mind. I just she
just splashes in my mind from time to time. So I haven't quite figured
that out yet. I know there's a possibility that they form some kind of
a strange relationship to you, and that goes into a supernatural thing again.
But I feel like we can have telepathic relationships with human beings, So it
is possible that that possibly she's marked me. I don't know. That's a
very up in the air question. I kind of have my own ideas about
that that aren't completely formed yet. All right, very well said. The
next one is from the Polish mom and she wants to know. You've also
mentioned that you've been listening to different dog meat encounters. Which encounter did you
find to be the most frightening? Well, I listened to more than one
channel, mixed channel. Is that the only one I listened to? Some
of the more terrifying ones for reasons don't even sound real. They sound made
up, and none of them been on the show exactly. Do you really
think people would do that just to make a buck him? Yes, I
do. Yeah, unfortunately some people would. All right, this isn't a
question, but it's more of a comment. It's from Kristin Dolishall and Kristen
says, Hello, Vic and Kim, thanks so much for the live stream.
I'm really enjoying listening to them. Well, when you have great guests
like Kim and Kai and Brian Tyrrell last night. I mean, how can
you go wrong. I'm so glad you like listening to the show, and
you know I'll do the best I can to keep from coming alright. The
next question would be from Helen Keenan and her question is our dogman related to
a NEWBIS. I think that's already been asked. Yeah, we already covered
that. We've covered that. So the next question would be from Sheryl Lee,
and she wants to know have you thought about having a sketch done over?
I have thought about that. I haven't quite figured out who to use
for it. I have several friends that are very good at sketching, I
just haven't I have to tell them the story first before I find somebody.
Yeah, easier said than done. I do know a great sketch artist.
If you ever decided something that you definitely want to do, then yeah,
let me know and I'm sure I could get that set up for you.
Okay, Yeah, I think that would be really easy to do, all
right. The next question is I guess it's kind of related to that last
one you just answered from Patrick Reagan. His question is have you been able
to contact a forensic artist to draw a sketch. Harvey Pratt comes to mind,
you use a talented sketch artist. Definitely. Well, let's see.
The next question would be from Spooney's world, and that is, are dog
men perhaps related to the four to one one missing people? That theory is
out there, but I don't I haven't received enough evidence for my own personal
decision. That definitely that's what's going on. I hope that's not the case.
You just imagine if there are dogmen out there snatching people. It wouldn't
surprise me if you do have some dangerous dogmen out there doing that. But
yeah, I mean, look the thousands upon thousands of dogmen eyewitnesses I've spoken
with over the years. I mean, how many of them were caught dead
to rights? I mean absolutely dead rights and compromising situations where if the dogmen
they encountered leaning over top of them, and in cases were you know,
they weren't leaning over top of them, but they could have caught them in
dispatch them if they wanted to do that, but they didn't do that because
they didn't want to do that. So yeah, this idea that floats around
out there that these guys will snatch you up and kill you as soon as
look at you. That can't be true. I know it sells seats,
it fills seats for shows to make up stories about the flesh eating dog man
and all this stuff. But yeah, if that's how they were programmed to
be, that is, some are dangerous, but as a whole, if
that's how they were as a whole, then yeah, my experiences definitely wouldn't
be the way they have been with all the eyewitnesses, so please keep that
in mind, all right. The next question would be from HM five Y
and their question is do you think dogmen migrate? Oh? Definitely, I
really do think they. I think they migrate, and the reason being is
the areas that I've seen my recent encounters. And I've been driving those roads
for since i was sixteen years old, and this is the first time I've
ever noticed them. So I think the group that I'm seeing is new to
the area, or you know, they may be staying here permanently or be
passing through. But I just think that I would have seen them before.
I really do, because I'm very observant about, you know, when I
drive, Maybe because of that big guy I saw when I was sixteen,
So the side of the roads and the fields have always been something I'd pay
attention to. So yeah, I think they I do. I think they
migrate. He just might be right about that, all right. The next
question is from C. Phantom W nine, and their question is Hi Kim,
considering the UAP the unidentif unidentified aerial phenomena, do you believe there's a
connection to dogmy in sightings? Does anything out of the ordinary come to your
mind? Thank you? There haven't been any unusual aerial occurrences in this area
recently. I know there have been some, but nothing recently, and nothing
that I've been made aware of or experienced myself. I do know that that
is a common theory, So what I know about that is just what I've
learned from other people in other stories. All right. The next one is
from John Wayne. I don't think it's a real John Wayne, but nonetheless
it reads what do you make of them being used in government breeding programs?
If that's going on? Of course that has been worried because what's the purpose
behind it? If it is the reality? Yeah, that's a good point.
That is a good point. Well, I think we're about out of
questions, so we can get ready to get out of here. Before we
do, I just want to thank you so much for coming on and not
only telling us about your experience, this most recent one, but also taking
the time to answer all these questions from the listeners. Kim, I really
appreciate it. You're welcome, Vick, I really do. And for the
listeners, if you have any encounters that you need help with, it doesn't
matter if you want to be a guest on the show or not. If
you want to be a guest, we can definitely do that, but that's
never a requirement. It's really easy to set up a conversation with me.
All you need to do is just to go to Dogmancounters dot com submit a
report, and if you do that, then I'll contact you. I'll schedule
a phone conversation with you, and that way we can talk about your experience
and and find out what's giving you trouble or or just get worked out.
But having said that, thanks again so much for your time, Kim,
and I hope you have a great night. Byevick, take care bye.