WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.440 --> 00:00:11.439 It's the Dearly Departed podcast, featuring your host, historian Scott Michaels and filmmaker 2 00:00:11.519 --> 00:00:23.000 Mike Dorsey. Okay, Scott, we're doing it. We made it past 3 00:00:23.120 --> 00:00:26.440 the twenty seven club. We're at episode twenty eight. We did it, 4 00:00:27.600 --> 00:00:32.920 yay, And they said it wouldn't last. I probably said that every time 5 00:00:32.960 --> 00:00:38.560 you said that too. And now we're gonna die in a towering inferno because 6 00:00:38.920 --> 00:00:43.960 that is the subject of this episode twenty eight is the Towering Inferno from nineteen 7 00:00:44.399 --> 00:00:49.840 seventy four. I yeah, I was. I was a huge fan of 8 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:54.520 disaster movies. Loved it and and I thought when we were talking about subject 9 00:00:54.600 --> 00:01:00.119 matter because of the I don't know what it's like an inferno out there as 10 00:01:00.159 --> 00:01:03.920 it was one twenty three last week, I just figured out that's actually I'm 11 00:01:03.960 --> 00:01:07.079 in the mood for this. Now I'm in the mood for this, so 12 00:01:07.079 --> 00:01:12.959 so uh yeah, but I had I was a little while ago. I 13 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:17.879 was going through some old papers, my old scrap book, and I happen 14 00:01:17.959 --> 00:01:22.239 to find I used to collect movie ads. I used to literally cut out 15 00:01:22.239 --> 00:01:23.560 movie ads and pay some of my scrap book. I don't know why. 16 00:01:23.920 --> 00:01:27.079 It was just such a weird thing to do, but I did. And 17 00:01:27.640 --> 00:01:30.719 the movies I really liked, And of course I liked the disaster movies as 18 00:01:30.760 --> 00:01:36.760 Earthquake, and I like JN. Frankenstein. But there's the Towering Inferno and 19 00:01:36.359 --> 00:01:40.000 h and at one of the read just the first paragraph of this review that 20 00:01:40.079 --> 00:01:44.640 I clipped. It was a magazine called The Scholastic Voice, whatever that means. 21 00:01:45.079 --> 00:01:49.280 And he says, never find your delight in another's misfortune, wrote a 22 00:01:49.359 --> 00:01:57.200 wise Roman named Puli pu pu Bilious Publilius Cyrus. But pu Blilius lived before 23 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:02.920 disaster movies, which delight us by turning catastrophe into entertainment. If he were 24 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:07.519 alive today, he would probably be lining up at the rest of us to 25 00:02:07.599 --> 00:02:10.800 enjoy the latest fun flick with its all star, all star casting broiled in 26 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:16.319 some super cataclysm and with good This pretty much defines my career, really, 27 00:02:20.520 --> 00:02:24.719 I love. Gene Siskel wrote. Our attitude toward the film's cardboard characters is 28 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:30.280 let him burn. Well, you know, I'm there on a lot of 29 00:02:30.319 --> 00:02:34.360 cases. You know, there's a lot of these people. I would say 30 00:02:34.400 --> 00:02:38.680 that. You know this movie, there's a lot of scenery being shoot up 31 00:02:38.680 --> 00:02:43.879 in this movie. There's a lot of just insane, over the top acting 32 00:02:44.360 --> 00:02:47.520 and and but we'll get into all those us in a little bit. But 33 00:02:47.639 --> 00:02:51.400 this movie, when he came out, I mean, it was, you 34 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:53.800 know, your typical ninety minutes was a movie back then, and this one 35 00:02:54.240 --> 00:03:00.400 was two hours and almost two hours and forty five minutes of movie. And 36 00:03:00.520 --> 00:03:04.800 that's a hell of a time for something. It's like this as action packed 37 00:03:04.919 --> 00:03:08.159 drama that it really appeals to a younger audience, you know. I mean, 38 00:03:08.159 --> 00:03:13.400 I feel like people in their teens and like me at that point. 39 00:03:13.520 --> 00:03:16.400 And it was just that's a long time to sit and watch a movie. 40 00:03:16.599 --> 00:03:20.639 It's not a fast paced movie, not a fast paced movie at all. 41 00:03:21.560 --> 00:03:24.520 It's a towering running time. You might say, there you are. Yes, 42 00:03:25.599 --> 00:03:29.919 they burned, they burned a lot of film filming it, and and 43 00:03:30.039 --> 00:03:32.439 yes they did. And I think twenty five people in the movie died of 44 00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:38.639 burns. Cast members and the cast they staid with the cast of three thousand 45 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:42.960 people were in this movie, extras, etc. That's what I read. 46 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:46.520 And they used fifty seven sets. They built fifty seven sets for this movie, 47 00:03:46.960 --> 00:03:52.719 which is insane. I think they spent eleven million making it. And 48 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:58.360 uh, and it was an interesting way that that that that he got it 49 00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:02.639 made or when Alan, I mean you probably did you did you as fasciating 50 00:04:02.719 --> 00:04:05.879 I did? I did, and I'm I'm tempted. I was gonna. 51 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:12.680 I was. Let's go into news first. Oh sure, getting disolutely, 52 00:04:13.080 --> 00:04:15.360 I get it. We're getting I forget we do that, I do, 53 00:04:15.480 --> 00:04:18.600 I do. Um. We have news, and we have we have hate 54 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:23.040 mail, we have some hate we have a little bit of hate mail. 55 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:31.199 Yeah, just let's let's hear the hate mail hate mail, all right. 56 00:04:31.240 --> 00:04:38.439 So the ones that I saved and I saved disappointedly few because once somebody said 57 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:46.839 about our Jaws podcast, um, dumb and that. But they did point 58 00:04:46.839 --> 00:04:48.759 out that our podcast was longer than the movie itself, which is kind of 59 00:04:48.759 --> 00:04:55.240 funny. That's hilarious. This one was about. This one was about something 60 00:04:55.279 --> 00:05:00.279 we did together, that the uh that James Dean donald turmised video that we 61 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:04.680 did that we retraced the steps of James Dean's last drive out to the crash. 62 00:05:04.759 --> 00:05:11.319 Yeah, yeah, yeah, And this guy says, uh, thanks 63 00:05:11.360 --> 00:05:15.399 for the totally completely uninspiring video. Every time every detail I was hoping you 64 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:19.959 would cover was ignored. How unprofessional amateurs, How juvenile way to waste the 65 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:26.240 mic time what I could have been doing something really stimulating, like watching paint 66 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:30.920 dry. It's like, all right, you know, I'm going to post 67 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:35.319 an actual video of paint drying and tag that guy. You know we should 68 00:05:35.360 --> 00:05:39.759 we Actually that'd be a that'd be a good third sort of box on our 69 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:46.040 on our podcast is simultaneously having having paint dry. You have your eye of 70 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:50.120 an option. That's hilarious. Now the other the other ones, you know, 71 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:54.040 I haven't gotten too many that the long video one was kind of funny, 72 00:05:54.040 --> 00:05:56.560 and this one was kind of funny too. The other ones, you 73 00:05:56.600 --> 00:05:58.839 know, I get people send me gifts in the mail. Well, I 74 00:05:58.879 --> 00:06:00.800 got a lot of really odd sort of packages in the mail one and I 75 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:04.040 save them up and I opened them up on a video and and there's all 76 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:06.920 kinds of you know, last time I opened it up, someone sent me 77 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:13.959 a dress that was owned by Am Bancroft and the yeah, it was very 78 00:06:13.959 --> 00:06:16.519 cool. I mean these things, you know, really original autographs people sent 79 00:06:16.639 --> 00:06:19.319 me. I did one the other day that I'm going to post at some 80 00:06:19.360 --> 00:06:24.800 point this week, stuff that they have in their collections that you know, 81 00:06:24.839 --> 00:06:28.759 what am I going to do with this and they send them to me and 82 00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:31.199 it's so nice and so kind. So I do these on video and what 83 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:33.959 you see is my hands opening the video. Well, somebody wrote, you 84 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:41.480 should you should lather that beautifully tatted arm with cocoa butter before each use. 85 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:48.600 It's giving your skin tips, man skincare you know, you know, it's 86 00:06:48.600 --> 00:06:55.959 just lather it up in fact, lather while we're watching. And this one, 87 00:06:56.759 --> 00:07:00.480 I gotta we probably shouldn't even use this one, but I'm gonna read 88 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:03.040 this. This is a real postcard. Somebody's at me. I just wanted 89 00:07:03.079 --> 00:07:06.560 to say thank you for all you do. I love you for your honesty. 90 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:13.319 You're like the only person that I would save in a fire. Umph. 91 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:16.639 I wish you were here, meaning this hotel Coronado. I swear to 92 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:20.519 guard I'd show my appreciation. I'd suck you off because you mean so much. 93 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:31.360 Well, all right, there you are. We at that. You're 94 00:07:31.399 --> 00:07:36.480 like the Coronado. How long are you going to be there? It's just 95 00:07:36.600 --> 00:07:40.759 I just you know, I would save you in a fire, and I'd 96 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:45.600 suck you off because you mean so much. There you are and uh and 97 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:48.600 with that the towering inferno, folks, um is that the end of the 98 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:55.399 hay mail. Yes it is. I I will be more more careful about 99 00:07:55.399 --> 00:07:59.680 saving them next time. But yeah, yeah, thats um uh. There's 100 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:09.160 a little bit of news. News of the week. My movie Lost aremona 101 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:16.160 Buchenwald, my documentary that I spent the Corona times updating, just got released 102 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:22.680 by Freestyle Digital Media and it is out on iTunes and all the digital download 103 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:26.720 all the place you can digital rent things digitally and download them except Amazon unfortunately, 104 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:30.959 because Amazon has clamped down on documentary distribution. But it's everywhere and it's 105 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:33.960 on paid per view, like eighty percent of the cable and satellite carriers. 106 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:37.159 It's on there. So Lost Aremon of Buchenwald. It's a historical documentary about 107 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:41.960 my grandfather who was a B twenty six pilot who ended up in Buchenwald concentration 108 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:46.399 camp. It was very bizarre and unusual story. So it's all about him 109 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:50.600 and his the group he was with, how they got through all that. 110 00:08:50.919 --> 00:08:56.159 So there's an amazing documentary. I love that documentary very much. So no, 111 00:08:56.240 --> 00:09:00.120 it's it's it's a It means a lot that people get the attention and 112 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:03.759 they deserve for the things they did for us and they, you know, 113 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:05.159 a lot of people fell by the wayside, and a lot of people that 114 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:09.840 were involved in wars back then didn't talk about it, you know, I 115 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:13.399 had, I had relatives since I know we're in Germany, and they it 116 00:09:13.519 --> 00:09:18.879 was just we don't talk about that, and it just that makes it even 117 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:22.639 more mysterious, like what do they do? You know, that is almost 118 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:26.440 like a universal theme that you always hear from the veterans, especially World War 119 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:30.399 Two, as they do not they don't talk about or they talk about a 120 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:31.279 little bit, but not all. You know, you don't get the whole 121 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:35.000 story kind of a deal. Yeah, if it wasn't for your documentary, 122 00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:39.960 and you wouldn't know the details of it, and those details shouldn't die with 123 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:43.720 the people that you know, they should people should know what happened. So 124 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:46.399 I don't. I think it's a fascinating documentary. I love it and I'm 125 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:50.080 glad you did it. Thank you. I think some of several of the 126 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:52.600 men that were in it, all eight men that are in it have passed 127 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:56.320 away since I filmed it, because I started, you know, first originally 128 00:09:56.360 --> 00:10:01.639 filmed it, like started ten years ago, all right, So the Towering 129 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:09.120 Inferno it's time for the main feature. It's time for the main feature. 130 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:18.080 Uh. Towering Inferno, the nineteen seventy four disaster film by Irwin Allen, 131 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:22.559 whom we did. His movie he did two years previously, The Poseidon Adventure, 132 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:26.600 And I see I see this as being like the Poseidon Adventure if the 133 00:10:26.600 --> 00:10:31.360 ship was like vertical basically, right, it's just a similar plot, you 134 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:35.480 know, so many similar scenario, similar character, similar music. Now it's 135 00:10:35.559 --> 00:10:39.960 it is very uh, it's very let's go with it. You know, 136 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:46.919 it's working. Let's go with it, all right. And it's a giant 137 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:50.679 and ensemble cast of stars and lots of people die and you know what stars 138 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:56.000 are going to die and all that stuff, and um, yeah, the 139 00:10:56.120 --> 00:10:58.919 thing that's really stood out well, first, yeah, there's a there's a 140 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:01.919 spoil alert. A lot of people die. If you haven't seen this movie 141 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:07.519 yet, there's a lot of people to die. But I'm gonna say one 142 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:11.720 of the most shocking things about this movie because technically these special effects were good. 143 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:16.279 There's only a couple of scenes that were like, you know, but 144 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:20.240 I think considering the time they did this, they really did outstanding work. 145 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:28.559 And it just seems like the characters hold up for the most part. You 146 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:31.639 know, there's a lot of overacting, but a lot of scenery chewing. 147 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:33.440 But one of the things I never really understood about this movie is it the 148 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:39.279 hair. The hair was so bad. I've never seen so many bad two 149 00:11:39.399 --> 00:11:45.039 pays and bad wigs on people. Then in this movie, it's shocking. 150 00:11:45.120 --> 00:11:50.000 It's like a crylic People are wearing acrylic and it's just it's unbelievable. It's 151 00:11:50.000 --> 00:11:54.799 just hairpiece upon hairpiece upon hairpiece. And they there's like three people in the 152 00:11:54.799 --> 00:11:58.480 credits they got credit for hair and that's what they came up with. I 153 00:11:58.600 --> 00:12:05.440 just feels I just thought it's nineteen seventy four. Yeah, I don't know. 154 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:09.600 No, that was bad hair pieces that they was conscribed somebody, those 155 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:15.360 were those were designed to look that way. Somebody did screen tests with the 156 00:12:15.440 --> 00:12:18.120 hair and was like, yeah, go with that right, And that would 157 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:20.200 have burned up in a fire. That surprised, like with the flames they 158 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:24.840 weren't just like curling up because they know it's just because it was just synthetic 159 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:28.240 and it was so all right. But but that's part of the fun of 160 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:33.480 it now in retrospect, but very little of the movie is is you know, 161 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:35.879 it's really laughable. There are a few laughable scenes because they're so hokey 162 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:41.519 and so so long ago and campy, but but a lot of this movie 163 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:43.840 holds up well. And uh yeah, and I think, well, do 164 00:12:43.879 --> 00:12:48.039 you know the story about how how how it came to fruition this movie? 165 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:54.519 Yeah. So they there were two books they were coming out about a towering 166 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:58.919 inferno. They had two different titles, and Warner Brothers and Fox both each 167 00:12:58.960 --> 00:13:01.879 went out and got the rights to each of them. So they were going 168 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:07.519 to be two competing movies about high rise buildings on fire. And that's when 169 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:11.799 Irwin Allen, who was at Fox, convinced Warner Brothers and Fox to combine 170 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:16.519 forces and just make once and look, let's not cannibalize each other's sales by 171 00:13:16.519 --> 00:13:20.559 putting out two movies at the same time on the same subject. And and 172 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:22.320 I didn't realize that's what they did, but I remember in the opening credits 173 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:26.639 they credit two books as the source material, and that was my tip off 174 00:13:26.679 --> 00:13:28.720 of like, well, that's very unusual. It's usually just one book. 175 00:13:30.399 --> 00:13:33.440 And that's that's what it was. And the different studios took different rights to 176 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:35.919 get their money back and they went in, you know, even Stevens on 177 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:39.879 the budget, and there it is. Yeah, I heard that Allen was 178 00:13:39.919 --> 00:13:45.720 bidding on the Tower and the Glass Inferno. The other one wasn't published yet, 179 00:13:45.919 --> 00:13:50.960 so Alan lost lost the Tower to Warner, but he bought the Glass 180 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:54.360 Inferno and brought it to Fox and went to Warner and said, look, 181 00:13:54.519 --> 00:13:56.559 yeah, let's not this would be stupid. Let's combine. So I just 182 00:13:56.799 --> 00:14:01.440 like the first two studio production. I don't know if that's in history, 183 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:03.440 but I know their logos don't show up at the beginning of the movie. 184 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:07.559 You don't see the Warner brothers and the Fox logos. They don't show up. 185 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:09.840 So it's interesting. That's a real I don't know if thats how often 186 00:14:09.879 --> 00:14:13.759 that happens in life. That's kind of interesting. And he's basically saying, 187 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:16.600 look, let's not both up put Let's not put out two movies that will 188 00:14:16.600 --> 00:14:26.039 lose money because they're the same. Also, I hear someone trying to open 189 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:31.720 my door and I look out and it's just like three year old, Okay, 190 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:37.440 I'm gonna have to to somebody right exactly. It's a it's a it's 191 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:41.720 a setup. Um, it's basically Irwin Allen, who was you know, 192 00:14:41.759 --> 00:14:46.039 his nickname was the Master of Disaster. His thing was basically, we can 193 00:14:46.039 --> 00:14:48.320 either both make the same film and they won't make money. They'll both lose 194 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:52.080 money because we're gonna eat each other's sales. Or you can go in on 195 00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:56.840 one film and man, everybody makes money. So their first run was a 196 00:14:56.960 --> 00:15:00.279 year on that movie. You know, it ran for a year first and 197 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:03.799 that's crazy. It's amazing that they used to do that. Yeah, yeah, 198 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:07.039 yeah, And it's it's amazing because this movie is not like a classic, 199 00:15:07.480 --> 00:15:09.720 you know, it's of the disaster movies. You think earthquake thing, 200 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:15.960 but Towering Inferno. He doesn't get a whole lot of references. You can't 201 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:18.480 quote lines. In fact, I couldn't tell you who was in it except 202 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:20.159 for the two stars. And there's a lot of people in this movie. 203 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:24.759 So um, it's it's a weird movie that fell to the wayside. Was 204 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:28.799 very successful when it came out, but not really not really referred to very 205 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:33.279 doesn't they have that cult status. It's the other right, and the people 206 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:37.600 who haven't seen it. The plot line is that this place called Glass Tower 207 00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:41.320 is the tallest building in the world it's one hundred and thirty eight stories. 208 00:15:41.440 --> 00:15:43.799 It's um, which is funny because it's in San Francisco where they have lots 209 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:48.279 of earthquakes. Um and uh. And it's the the It takes place on 210 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:52.320 the opening night, the grand opening night, when they're having this huge opening 211 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:56.240 night party up on like or one of the high floors, and it turns 212 00:15:56.240 --> 00:16:02.000 out that the developers, crooked son in law, who was the electrical subcontractor, 213 00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:04.960 used shoddy materials for the all the electrical wiring. And so when they 214 00:16:04.960 --> 00:16:08.559 turn all the lights on on the tower for the big opening night to show 215 00:16:08.559 --> 00:16:11.879 off how you know, austin the building looks, it fries all the electric 216 00:16:11.919 --> 00:16:17.799 cables in the building and starts the inferno. Um. Then it spreads, 217 00:16:17.799 --> 00:16:22.360 and it's all about the firefighters and the people inside trying to survive and get 218 00:16:22.399 --> 00:16:27.200 out of it. Yeah, I mean the the the the party took place 219 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:32.840 on one hundred and thirty fifth floor, that's the movie. The fire took 220 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:36.960 was actually started on the eighty first floor. So a lot of the movie 221 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:38.559 was like, oh, it's not going to make it up here, and 222 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:45.679 and and you know, it's interesting because a lot of this movie really got 223 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:48.080 me thinking about you know, the World Trade Center. Uh, you know 224 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:52.000 it was when those explosions happened. It was like, this is weird because 225 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:56.080 it really was differently instantaneous. I didn't it was like guttural. It's like, 226 00:16:56.080 --> 00:17:00.200 wow, this is like just like the World Trade Center, and there's 227 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:03.080 lots of people falling, a lot of people fall to their death from the 228 00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:06.599 window. Several you know, big characters fall fall off. So yeah, 229 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:08.799 it's a little bit. And then also so I just know something. It's 230 00:17:08.839 --> 00:17:11.799 interesting because at the time they made this movie, the World Trade Center was 231 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:18.160 the biggest tallest building in the world. They wrapped filming on September eleventh, 232 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:23.599 nineteen seventy three, and three months after, there was a fire in the 233 00:17:23.680 --> 00:17:29.000 real World Trade Center where sixteen people were injured, burned, not killed. 234 00:17:29.359 --> 00:17:32.359 But it's just it was like I was, I was watching this in a 235 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:34.680 documentary. It was made back in ninety I think it was ninety five or 236 00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:38.160 two thousand and five, must have been. There was yeah, well no, 237 00:17:38.279 --> 00:17:41.200 there was no reference to September eleventh, so I think it was I 238 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:45.400 think it was ninety five that this came out. This documentary that I watched 239 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:48.599 was like, but it was, Yeah, it was really it's even more 240 00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:52.319 bizarre when you think of it that that way. One thing stood out to 241 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:55.960 me too, And I don't know if this was explained in the plata, 242 00:17:56.000 --> 00:17:59.359 they just didn't put it in there. But even when like entire floors are 243 00:17:59.359 --> 00:18:03.000 on fire, there no alarm going off. Was the alarm system Frida? 244 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:07.279 Did they just not have? OJ Simpson was part of that and he said, 245 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:10.279 they said, why at the beginning when it happened, why wasn't the 246 00:18:10.319 --> 00:18:15.880 fire department notified? And I don't know was the answer? We don't. 247 00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:19.240 That was it? I mean that was why is there a plot? We 248 00:18:19.279 --> 00:18:23.880 don't know? You know, something screwed up because there's one scene, you 249 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:27.160 know, where the kind of the couple, the pr man, I think, 250 00:18:27.200 --> 00:18:32.279 and and the women are kind of hooking up and they don't realize the 251 00:18:32.279 --> 00:18:33.799 whole building is on fire and they die because of it. And it's like 252 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:37.599 entire floors are on fire. How are the alarms not going off? But 253 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:40.680 I guess, yeah, I maybe has something to do with that canal center 254 00:18:40.720 --> 00:18:42.680 the OJ was in. I don't know, because he was going door to 255 00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:45.680 door, knocking on doors. Well, because half of the building wasn't even 256 00:18:45.720 --> 00:18:48.440 occupied yet because remember at the beginning of the movie, the real estate I 257 00:18:48.519 --> 00:18:52.880 was showing, you know, eighty floor to the top is residential, so 258 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:56.880 there was probably little occupation. And since he was involved with the building of 259 00:18:56.920 --> 00:19:00.000 the place, maybe he was like one of the only apartment. Maybe, 260 00:19:00.319 --> 00:19:04.079 but I can't remember. Does does Oj make it? Does he survive? 261 00:19:04.720 --> 00:19:11.039 Because he saves the cat, I remember he and he gives it to fred 262 00:19:11.079 --> 00:19:15.640 Astaire at the end, that's right, when fred Astaire loses his special lady 263 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:19.119 friend. All the people that die in this movie are the people that deserve 264 00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:22.319 to die. You know. It's one of those moral movies, like the 265 00:19:22.359 --> 00:19:26.880 people having the affair, the people that cheated, the people that were slimy, 266 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:30.400 you know, there were most of the people that died in this movie 267 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:33.920 were people that deserved to die in that in that part, they were not 268 00:19:33.039 --> 00:19:37.880 likable people. Yeah, except for the woman that um Astaire was trying to 269 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:41.119 con remember Liza Lett or Lizaette? What were what was her name? And 270 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:45.400 did you do you watch she? I think she she falls out of the 271 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:48.519 elevator, right the outdoor elevator, and did he watch like the dummy the 272 00:19:48.640 --> 00:19:55.519 dummy hit the balcony and go like spinning socially bad. Yeah, that's one 273 00:19:55.559 --> 00:19:57.680 of the embarrassing moments. It was disturbing. It was a little disturb It 274 00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:02.480 was like, whoa, I can't believe they left it in there. It 275 00:20:02.519 --> 00:20:04.319 was really bad. I mean, it was really so cheesy when they happened. 276 00:20:04.319 --> 00:20:07.440 I mean the originals the built the model that they built was impressive. 277 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:11.680 It was like sixty or seventy feet tall. So they made a proper good 278 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:15.519 model. Um. But yeah, that that little dummy doing it was literally 279 00:20:15.559 --> 00:20:22.960 like a pout. That was kind of funny. But that was a surprise. 280 00:20:22.480 --> 00:20:26.519 That was a surprise to me when that happened. I guess they had 281 00:20:26.559 --> 00:20:27.599 to make you well, they had to make the model big because they had 282 00:20:27.640 --> 00:20:30.680 to make the fire look not hokey when they're showing the you know, the 283 00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:33.480 floor is on fire. I guess it makes that stood out to me. 284 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:36.519 I was like, oh, they used a pretty big model to make the 285 00:20:36.559 --> 00:20:38.960 fire. Yeah, And it was when they when they lit it for the 286 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:42.240 first time and it was like boom boom, every you know, every quarter 287 00:20:42.319 --> 00:20:45.559 of it. That was really cool. They did a good job with that. 288 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:53.319 Um Oh and again another John william Score who also scored Earthquake that came 289 00:20:53.319 --> 00:20:59.960 out the same year in Star Wars and Washed in Space and Elie the Doll 290 00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:07.119 and It's just a weird and the morning After song in Posidon Adventure won the 291 00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:11.519 Oscar for Best Original Song, and then we May Never Love Love Like This 292 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:17.279 Again in The Towering Inferno won the Oscar for that one. So Irwin Allen 293 00:21:17.359 --> 00:21:22.200 had back to back disaster movies when Oscars for Best Original Song, same songwriters, 294 00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:30.319 same singer, and they and she's at mariey McGovern Yeah, yeah, 295 00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:33.200 So it's it's it's funny because it's like there's a moment where they're in that 296 00:21:33.400 --> 00:21:38.039 ballroom the promenade room or whatever it's called, and uh, and it's very 297 00:21:38.079 --> 00:21:41.400 similar to the to the main ballroom of The Beside Adventure. There's a band 298 00:21:41.400 --> 00:21:45.559 in the same place. There's a woman up there singing a song that sounds 299 00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:48.480 just like there's got to be a Morning After. And then I realized later 300 00:21:48.559 --> 00:21:52.839 on that it was the same songwriters and the same singer, and I had 301 00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:55.559 to look it up what they were up against for that year when they won, 302 00:21:55.640 --> 00:22:00.960 and it was like it was the theme from benji uh Blaze Saddles there's 303 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:06.160 a song in the movie Blazing Saddles, something called the Little Prince, and 304 00:22:06.200 --> 00:22:08.720 there was a movie called Gold and the song was Wherever Love Takes Me. 305 00:22:08.960 --> 00:22:12.319 So I don't the other songs were. None of the songs are memorable. 306 00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:18.319 So whoever has that Oscar should be very happy of that. I mean, 307 00:22:18.359 --> 00:22:22.119 look, most Oscar nominated songs are not the cream of the crop of the 308 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:26.599 music world. Let's just be honest. That's true. There's usually like one 309 00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:30.319 or two that you've actually heard of and the rest of your you know, 310 00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:36.920 because they got There was a couple of very very Star Wars moments in this 311 00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:38.240 movie, and the sound, you know, when they were at the end, 312 00:22:38.519 --> 00:22:42.079 the really suspenseful end, it was like, you know, I noticed 313 00:22:42.079 --> 00:22:48.160 it aside from the John Williams connection, I just noticed the similarity to Star 314 00:22:48.200 --> 00:22:51.559 Wars and then I realized, oh, yeah, it's him. So there 315 00:22:51.640 --> 00:22:55.279 was definitely a similarity in styles. And it was only a couple of years 316 00:22:55.319 --> 00:22:57.720 later. So and he did Earthquake two. I forgot about that. I 317 00:22:57.759 --> 00:23:03.920 didn't know that, Yeah, which was the same year. So he was 318 00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:07.839 busy, busy doing disaster score music scores. Again. You know, have 319 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:11.440 you watched Earthquake lately. I have not watched it since I was a kid, 320 00:23:11.839 --> 00:23:15.400 because there's so many cool Hollywood scenes an Earthquake, the Capitol Records building 321 00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:22.599 and in the Hollywood sign and uh that's the Hollywood Dam and and that office 322 00:23:22.599 --> 00:23:26.640 building a figure is in quite a bit. And there's also very similar scenes 323 00:23:26.720 --> 00:23:32.039 in that movie Earthquake to this movie, because there's a point where they're you 324 00:23:32.079 --> 00:23:36.079 know how in this movie, how they're they're from one office from the top 325 00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:40.079 of the building and they're propelling them in a chair, uh, you know, 326 00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:44.039 to the other rooftop. You know what I'm talking about. I don't. 327 00:23:44.720 --> 00:23:47.599 In the in the Towering Inferno, when they're trying to rescue the people 328 00:23:47.799 --> 00:23:51.559 and they attach a chair to the top of that building and they fling them 329 00:23:51.559 --> 00:23:53.759 across to the next office building to save them. Well, there's a really 330 00:23:53.799 --> 00:23:59.519 long scene in Earthquake where they they get whim a woman on a desk chair 331 00:23:59.759 --> 00:24:02.599 and fire hose and they wrapped the fire hose on the desk chair and are 332 00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:07.839 lower It's very similar. And also the twisting staircase, which also has similarities 333 00:24:07.880 --> 00:24:11.480 to uh to the Poseidon Adventure, when they're crawling up the Christmas Tree. 334 00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:15.319 There's a point where the earthquake hits and you've got the railings that are dangling 335 00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:18.640 there and he's and he's climbing down the railings. It's like the Christmas Tree 336 00:24:18.759 --> 00:24:22.400 and it's like earthquake. It's just you know, they just talk about cannibalizing, 337 00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:26.119 you know, that's what's what he did in an earthquake. The dam 338 00:24:26.279 --> 00:24:30.559 at the Hollywood Reservoir breaks. Is that the one that breaks? Yeah, 339 00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:36.680 poor mulhalland man, there's a there's a plaque there for mulehalland yep. So 340 00:24:36.720 --> 00:24:38.880 the guy that did the Saint Francis Damn, which is the biggest man made 341 00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:44.559 disaster in California state history, he's't. He's like in the afterlife going really 342 00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:47.440 really he had to be another one of my damns. He blew up in 343 00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:52.680 the Damn movie, like really can't get away from it. Oh that's sad. 344 00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:55.799 Wow, that's it's so funny. I'm looking at this earthquake thing. 345 00:24:55.839 --> 00:24:59.720 It's it's it's it's on you know, on screens for the twelfth Trembling Week 346 00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:03.720 because that was sens Around too. That was crazy. Sens Around was amazing 347 00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:07.720 where they you know, they had those bass speakers in the camp the in 348 00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:10.720 the old theaters, and the whole place shook. They were just popping up 349 00:25:10.720 --> 00:25:14.359 the bass and and they was screwing up the old theaters, like the old 350 00:25:14.359 --> 00:25:18.359 theaters are literally falling apart because they couldn't handle the vibrations inside. And uh. 351 00:25:18.400 --> 00:25:22.519 And I remember when they broadcasted on television. They did a broadcast on 352 00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:26.200 FM radio, so you crank up your there would be a little flash to 353 00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:33.440 turn on your your radio loud and it would They're broadcasting basically sense around so 354 00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:37.359 you could watch it on TV. That was That's kind of funny. But 355 00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:41.240 anyway, I love that kind of shit. I love hockey movies. I 356 00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:45.279 love I love you know the Tingler with you know would they rigged the seats? 357 00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:48.480 And I remember seeing a creature feature when I was a kid where during 358 00:25:48.519 --> 00:25:52.440 the during the break between the double features, they were doing the spiral on 359 00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:53.720 the screen and say, look out, look out, You're coming to monsters 360 00:25:53.720 --> 00:25:56.480 and these guys and costumes that I'm running out and wearing up and down the 361 00:25:56.480 --> 00:26:00.839 hall, up down the aisles and stuff. And that's all that kind of 362 00:26:00.839 --> 00:26:04.960 stuff that hokey um, who's the guy that the producer William Castle. He 363 00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:08.279 used to do all out of that kind of stuff. The director love that, 364 00:26:08.519 --> 00:26:11.559 love that. So anyway, not involved with The Towering Inferno at all. 365 00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:18.519 I just went off. So Steve McQueen and Paul Newman were the headlining 366 00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:22.680 stars, which is an interesting combo because they were always kind of professional, 367 00:26:23.079 --> 00:26:27.599 uh you know, opponents. I guess they were both huge stars, the 368 00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:33.400 huge stars of their day and um and which is evident in the how they're 369 00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:37.559 in the titles. There was a debate over because they I did not know 370 00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:42.480 this, but apparently Paul Newman originally wanted McQueen for Butch Cassidy and the Sundance 371 00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:48.079 Kid. And the reason McQueen didn't do it is because they never got They 372 00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:51.880 never settled a dispute over how the who would who would be the top build 373 00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:57.039 actor in it? So interesting, so to settle the issue with this one, 374 00:26:57.440 --> 00:27:00.680 and I noticed immediately in the c and then read it, M is 375 00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:07.079 they have McQueen is listed first if you're looking left to right, but Newman's 376 00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:12.039 is higher, so they're like diagonally positioned. So you could argue, on 377 00:27:12.039 --> 00:27:15.279 one hand, McQueen's is the first name you read reading left to right but 378 00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:19.319 Paul Newman's name is higher on the screen, so they staggered them that way 379 00:27:19.359 --> 00:27:23.079 so that no one is really the first build. Right. Um, it's 380 00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:26.599 kind of funny how they did that. This satisfy. It is interesting. 381 00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:30.680 I didn't know that about the Butch Cassidy thing because it would have been odd 382 00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:33.720 too, because they both are these like, you know, monstrous blue eyes. 383 00:27:33.799 --> 00:27:37.759 I mean, and I don't mean that negatively. I mean they're very 384 00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:41.119 smoking in my opinion. Yeah, they're similar types of guy. Yeah, 385 00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:45.240 and I guess in this in the case of a McQueen was offered the role 386 00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:52.000 of the architect first and then wanted to go with the fire chief because the 387 00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:55.640 fire chief had more of a dramatic lines, you know, dramatic, uh, 388 00:27:56.319 --> 00:27:59.039 more of an impression he thought it would make. Yeah, he also 389 00:27:59.079 --> 00:28:02.119 gets more. He's better. I think that I wouldn't. I don't think 390 00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:03.359 I would have liked it as much if they were flipped because he gets more 391 00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:07.000 action stuff and McQueen for me as more of an action guys, you know, 392 00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:11.319 even though they're very similar off off screen they were both race car drivers 393 00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:15.759 and stuff. Steve McQueen was a little bit more I think rough and ragged. 394 00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:18.039 Uh. He they did. They both did a number of their own 395 00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:22.119 stunts to the sagrine of the studios because they both got injured during this during 396 00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:26.839 the shoot too. But I guess there was the there was a It didn't 397 00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:32.200 seem like there was an unfriendly rivalry because they sho I've seen outtakes and they're 398 00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:34.200 like laughing it up with each other. So I think it was more of 399 00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:38.960 an imagined or created u rivalry. But they were both similar in appearance, 400 00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:42.720 so you could see how that happened. But oddly, because McQueen chose the 401 00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:48.079 chose the role of supposedly as I as I understand it, chose the role 402 00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:51.720 of the fire chief. But he doesn't show up until like forty five minutes 403 00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:55.079 into the movie. You know, it's like it's like Newman's movie, but 404 00:28:55.119 --> 00:28:59.960 it's at forty three minutes and McQueen shows up. So but then he still 405 00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:02.480 it's but it's a two hour and forty four minute movies, so he still 406 00:29:02.519 --> 00:29:07.079 gets two hours. Yeah, and they demanded contractually that they have the same 407 00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:14.599 amount of lines. They have the exact same unbelievable um but they looked, 408 00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:18.799 they said, they looked like to be had a good time. So with 409 00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:22.319 Paul Newman. Um, I've talked about this person in the past, but 410 00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:26.519 uh, Jim Markham, who was Jay Sebrings protege and briefly took over see 411 00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:34.039 Brings business after Sebring was murdered and um and came out to LA and kind 412 00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:38.240 of at least tried to pick up where Sebring left left off with the celebrity 413 00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:42.319 clients and stuff. His name is Jim Markham, and he became good friends 414 00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:45.960 with Paul Newman, and Paul Newman championed him and used him as his hair 415 00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:51.400 stylist for years. Even he ended up even started getting credits on Paul Newman 416 00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:55.839 movies as the hairstylist on the on set because no one would fly him out. 417 00:29:56.319 --> 00:29:57.920 UM. And he would go to New York and and give Paul Newman, 418 00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:00.960 you know, haircuts in his his penthouse or whatever in New York City. 419 00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:04.519 And uh, I think he may have even been credited on The Sting. 420 00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:07.000 I think, um, I know he did Newman's hair on the Sting. 421 00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:11.079 So and Markham wrote a book, um like a couple of years ago 422 00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:15.119 called Big Lucky about his life and it goes into all of this. It's 423 00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:18.519 a it's a good read, I think, um, so I'm plugging it 424 00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:22.039 because it's an interesting read. Um. And Also, Paul Newman's son played 425 00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:27.319 a firefighter in the movie. He's the guy that I heard that don't remember 426 00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:30.519 this. He doesn't want to. He's the one that's afraid to repel down 427 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:37.640 the elevator shaft has apparently Paul Newman's son. Okay, interesting. Yeah, 428 00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:41.480 Well, you know, Newman, by most accounts, is a really decent 429 00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:45.079 guy. You know, he he continues to give to charity with his spaghetti 430 00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:48.279 sauce. He you know, he willed it completely to charity. When he 431 00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:53.079 died. It was I still buid a Newman's own balsamic vineagarette. It's a 432 00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:57.799 very good vineagarette. Who does it benefit? You know, I don't I 433 00:30:57.839 --> 00:31:00.680 have no idea. I just I by because I like it. I don't 434 00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:07.640 know. Yeah, but a decent guy, A decent guy. Um. 435 00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:11.079 So Paul Newman. I mean, we could spend hours just talking about his 436 00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:15.559 career. He plays the architect who who's planning, who somehow apparently doesn't know 437 00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:19.920 that the building he designed was very shoddily built and you know, goes up 438 00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:23.079 like a Roman candle. But then you know, becomes a hero along with 439 00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:27.559 Steve McQueen, because he's like Paul Newman's kind of the cerebral one who knows 440 00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:32.160 how the building is designed, and McQueen's more of the kind of brash action 441 00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:37.640 hero who comes in and yeah it doesn't you know, but not over macho. 442 00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:40.480 That's what I liked about it. They weren't overacting, you know, 443 00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:45.000 they was. McQueen wasn't doing that. He wasn't overacting. They were both 444 00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:49.400 really likable, pleasant to watch people. And I don't wasn't There was no 445 00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:56.240 one playing tough guy. There was no it was. It was really enjoyable 446 00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:00.720 to watch those two. I was surprised at how enjoyable it was to watch 447 00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:04.640 those two, because some of the others were unwatchable. But it was down 448 00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:06.759 to you know, I mean, it wasn't his fault. It was Richard 449 00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:10.519 Chamberlain's fault, the builder's son, because the builder son was the electrical engineer. 450 00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:15.720 So it Newman, you know, he that was yeah, yeah, 451 00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:19.160 he was pissed because his plans weren't you know, everything's up to code. 452 00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:21.359 He goes, well, this building is not code, you know, this 453 00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:24.359 is a different code. And sure, sure, I designed it to be 454 00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:29.000 better than code kind of deal. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, 455 00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:34.839 because of the power would have taken. But so, um, it's so 456 00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:39.480 funny. Sorry, so uh so. Paul Newman passed away on September twenty 457 00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:44.000 six, two thousand and eight. He was eighty three, and he he 458 00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:46.759 died from lung cancer. And uh yeah, he seemed like a really likable 459 00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:51.440 guy. There was a great episode of Iconic Class I think on Sundance TV 460 00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:53.759 with him and Redford kind of getting back together, and it seems like it 461 00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:59.279 wasn't long before Newman passed away, within a few years of his death that 462 00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:02.319 they shot that. It's really interesting and it shows how Paul Newman had fixed 463 00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:08.960 up an old um playhouse and he just seemed like a genuinely good dude, 464 00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:13.599 you know, and had one of the famously long lasting marriages of Hollywood. 465 00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:19.839 M Yeah, and didn't you know, there's never anything that's been, yeah, 466 00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:22.359 really published about him to being a dick. You know, He's just 467 00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:28.319 supposed to be a decent guy that most everyone enjoyed working with that worked with 468 00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:31.039 who worked with him. You know. That was the other thing they both 469 00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:36.279 got. They both got a million each, equal billing, equal lines and 470 00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:39.240 they both got a percentage of the gross. So I don't know what that 471 00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:44.680 turned out to be, but it can't have hurt well, I mean, 472 00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:47.799 interestingly, age Steve McQueen the year that movie came out, became the highest 473 00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:54.799 paid actor in Hollywood and then disappeared for like four years and just went and 474 00:33:55.519 --> 00:34:00.279 traveled around the country and raced cars and motorcycles, and um, I almost 475 00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:02.559 wonder if he just was making so much money. He's like, yeah, 476 00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:06.519 I don't going to do this acting thing for a while. I'm gonna take 477 00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:10.199 my towering Inferno residuals and whatever else he got and just go have fun. 478 00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:15.480 Yeah, there was, and that was the peak at that scandal with you 479 00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:19.280 know, Aliy McGraw and Robert Evans, and because he was he was married 480 00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:22.039 to Ali McGraw, who left Robert Evans for him, right. Evans was 481 00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:25.239 always you know, we read the same book or he was like, well, 482 00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:28.480 I don't blame her for leaving me because I was too tied up. 483 00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:30.320 I promised her I'd never spent a week, you know, a night away 484 00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:34.280 from home, and he was away from him all the time. It's a 485 00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:37.079 great section in that movie. The kid stays in the picture too is his 486 00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:39.039 Yeah, that whole segment about losing Alan McGraw, He's like, I losing 487 00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:42.920 Alan McGraw to like the best looking guy in the country or in the world 488 00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:45.199 or something like that, you know, the biggest star in the world. 489 00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:46.880 You know, what can I do kind of deal? Yeah, you hear 490 00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:52.320 Evans going that son of a bitch, you know the way he talked, 491 00:34:52.039 --> 00:35:00.480 Yeah, luckiest guy in the world. But he also there's an outtake which 492 00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:05.199 it shout it says Steve McQueen in a in an action sequence, and there 493 00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:07.639 was a cut and he turns to the camera cutaway and he just says, 494 00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:13.320 if anything happens to me, Ali gets my pickup truck. You know. 495 00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:17.320 So there were an odd an interesting reference personal rap. Speaking of speaking of 496 00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:21.280 pickups, I really wanted to talk about this. Steve McQueen, of course, 497 00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:24.159 was super famous for his cars. He loved a race cars. He 498 00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:28.840 raced motorcycles when he was first trying to be an actor in New York. 499 00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:34.199 That's how he supported himself in large part by doing motorcycle races. And so 500 00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:37.440 if you know cars at all, any car that was owned by Steve McQueen 501 00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:42.760 is worth multiples more than it normally would be on its own. But the 502 00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:45.840 fact that it was a McQueen vehicle is, you know, is pride makes 503 00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:51.079 it prized. And he even had he even had I think it was last 504 00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:54.719 year, a nineteen fifty two camper truck, just the most boring, not 505 00:35:54.840 --> 00:36:00.039 a race card thing you can imagine, sold for one hundred hundred thousand dollars 506 00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:07.840 for this, this old fifty two truck. His four gt race car sold 507 00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:10.480 in twenty twelve, or eleven million dollars. At the time. It was 508 00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:15.320 the most expensive American car ever sold. Again, I mean, four gts 509 00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:17.159 are worth a lot of money, but the fact that that one was owned 510 00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:22.079 by McQueen made it worth even more. And then the Peterson has what I 511 00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:25.599 consider to be the ultimate sports car ever made if you're a collector, They 512 00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:30.960 have his Jaguar x KSS, which first of all, is one of the 513 00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:37.000 rarest cars to begin with, because the factory burned down and they built they 514 00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:39.400 only built sixteen of them. The factory burned down. Nine of them burned 515 00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:44.079 up in the factory, so there were only only seven of them made of 516 00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:47.559 the original run. Steve McQueen then owned one of them, he called it, 517 00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:52.360 I think the Green Rat or the Green Bastard or something. Anyways, 518 00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:55.679 Steve McQueen owned one, and the Peterson autom Museum now owns it and it's 519 00:36:55.719 --> 00:37:00.000 in their collection and it is worth I would today. I think it's worth 520 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:05.239 at least twenty five million dollars, no kidding, because of the perfect storm 521 00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:08.000 connection of it being one of the rarest sports cars ever because of the factory 522 00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:12.440 fire combined with the fact that Steve McQueen owned it. Yeah, it's crazy. 523 00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:15.800 Yeah, yeah, wow, that is interesting because I've seen that. 524 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:19.159 I probably took pictures of it too, but I didn't know. I didn't 525 00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:21.239 because it wasn't the bullet car. So I was like, all right, 526 00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:23.800 whatever. But because I'm not a car person, I mean, there's no 527 00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:28.480 no, no disrespect intended towards here. But sure, I'm not even this. 528 00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:30.760 You know, I didn't really get Steve McQueen. You know. Everyone 529 00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:35.320 was like, what a sex god he was or something like that. I 530 00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:40.119 didn't get it, you know, I mean I I just never understood it. 531 00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:44.920 And I'm not saying he was unattractive. But usually someone will catch your 532 00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:47.559 eye, you know, if they're beautiful and or a good looking guy. 533 00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:52.679 But it was like I didn't get Steve McQueen at all. You know, 534 00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:54.760 maybe it's because he wasn't a threat to two normal guys, you know, 535 00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:59.039 too regular guys. It's like Ron Jeremy and porn. You know, you 536 00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:00.960 can watch him and because it's you're not threatened by it. Maybe that's what 537 00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:05.719 it was. But I thought he was rather average looking. I didn't think 538 00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:09.800 he was a sex god. You didn't get it, but he could right 539 00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:14.400 right, right right, I did. And he said, I believe that 540 00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:16.760 he was supposed to be at the house on the night of the murders, 541 00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:21.599 and the murders, the murders, yeah, yeah, but he before he 542 00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:24.440 left he got a call from an attractive blonde, and attractive blonde he decided 543 00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:30.639 to go with her instead, so good choice. Yeah, but seepa queen, 544 00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:32.960 Yeah, not an ugly guy, not by any stretch. I just 545 00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:37.159 never really, never really got it. But he was a guy's guy. 546 00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:40.679 He was definitely a guy's guy past cars and beautiful women, and that's I 547 00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:45.320 guess that's what mattered. But it wasn't like a troublemaker because James Bonds were 548 00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:49.880 always like really handsome men, you know, and and he was more rugged 549 00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:53.440 than handsome. I think, yeah, yeah, Paul Newman was handsome. 550 00:38:54.159 --> 00:38:59.639 He also apparently turned down the lead role in Close Encounters that Richard Dryfis ended 551 00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:05.000 up take. He was Spielberg wanted him for it, and McQueen supposedly turned 552 00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:08.800 it down because McQueen couldn't cry on cry on cue And there's that crying scene 553 00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:14.800 where Dreyfus has the meltdown and his house and his family freaks out, and 554 00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:16.719 Spielberg said, I'll take the scene out. I'll take it out, and 555 00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:20.199 McQueen said, it's the best scene in the script. You can't take it 556 00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:22.920 out. So that was it. He ended up not playing that role because 557 00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:28.119 of that. Not wild. I could totally see him in that part too. 558 00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:30.840 I could totally see him doing that. I can't see him crying, 559 00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:35.159 but I can see the rest of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 560 00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:37.840 I'd have to see that movie again. It's been a lot, many many 561 00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:45.760 years. Um So McQueen got um mesothelioma. If you've seen the ads, 562 00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:52.480 it's asbestos related cancer and it's funny because he smoked. But apparently the cancer 563 00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:54.880 he got was from asbestos, and some people claimed that it was from the 564 00:39:54.920 --> 00:40:00.840 asbestos used in the sound stage walls, or that may was from his race 565 00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:05.559 car driving suits which have asbestos in him. But he blamed it on work 566 00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:07.599 that he had he had to do when he was a marine. He was 567 00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:10.400 in the Marines for a few years back in the forties, and that's he 568 00:40:10.519 --> 00:40:13.920 he said he got it from. I think he had to clean out old 569 00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:16.119 ducts or pipes or something and they were wrapped in old asbestos, and he 570 00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:21.320 claimed that's where he got the exposure. So, you know, and time 571 00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:25.679 wid Yeah, I wonder if the three months of inhaling, you know, 572 00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:30.960 sorts of themes from this movie, uh might have contributed a bit, you 573 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:35.800 know. I mean it's kind of ironic. He dies from asbestos related cancer 574 00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:39.719 and he played a fire chief who would have been wearing asbestos protective clothing if 575 00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:44.079 he was wearing the real stuff in the movie. But yeah, yeah, 576 00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:46.519 it's so interesting asbestos because I mean, we you know, I grew up 577 00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:50.920 in as best as schools, you know, I mean I remember, I'm 578 00:40:50.960 --> 00:40:54.400 sure I was in eighth grade, and I remember they closed the school for 579 00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:59.719 like a month and gutted it and redid it because of that. But it 580 00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:00.840 was like go up and you know, so, so for seven and a 581 00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:06.360 half years we've been I've been, you know, eating this stuff. Basically. 582 00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:07.960 Wait, the movie theater I worked at was one of those old movie 583 00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:13.679 palaces and we had this massive asbestos curtain that we used to we used to 584 00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:16.239 lower down because there was a fire curtain. So but the size of a 585 00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:20.360 movie screen, you know, it's like asbestos is everywhere. So it's interesting 586 00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:24.199 more people didn't die from it, but it's like it's like what saccharin or 587 00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:31.199 something like one person dies and ruins it for everybody. Apparently, he I 588 00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:36.000 mean, he had cancer bad. Unfortunately it's spread and the doctors in the 589 00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:38.800 US told him we can't we can't save you. There's nothing we can do. 590 00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:42.639 And so that's when he turned to this. There was this quack doctor 591 00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:45.360 that he who had these crazy he was, I think really an orthodontist in 592 00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:51.480 real life, who had these totally unproven treatments for cancer. And McQueen had 593 00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:53.199 to go down to Mexico in order to you know, do it, and 594 00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:57.320 uh, and of course it didn't work. And then toward the end he 595 00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:00.599 had tumors. He had a big tumor in his abdomen and another one in 596 00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:02.519 his neck, and he wanted to have him removed. And again the US 597 00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:07.559 doctor said, your your heart won't your heart can't take the surgery. And 598 00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:09.639 he went through with it. Anyways, he went down the warez and and 599 00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:14.719 they were correct and he within I think about twelve hours after a surgical procedure, 600 00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:19.119 he had a heart attack in his sleep in the early morning hours, 601 00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:22.920 and that's that's how he died. So I would say, you know, 602 00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:25.559 if you're if you're terminally ill, and somebody says they have a chance, 603 00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:30.719 and whatever the FDA or whomever it is that regulates that here, because there's 604 00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:35.840 so many outrageous kind of you know, hoops that people have to jump through 605 00:42:36.199 --> 00:42:37.920 in a lot of ways. And and for our protection, they say, 606 00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:43.400 but still it's if there's it's like buying drugs. You know, you can 607 00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:45.320 you can get you can go down and get ballium in Mexico if you want 608 00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:47.880 to, you know, I mean, it's not that difficult. So if 609 00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:52.599 somebody's gonna offer to do it, it's like people going over the border to 610 00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:55.880 you know, have their pregnancies terminated. Um, you know, I can't 611 00:42:55.880 --> 00:42:59.360 say that I would do anything. I can't say I would do any different 612 00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:00.960 than he did if I was in a situation and yeah, you know, 613 00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:04.639 you're not gonna win anyways, you might as well go down swing and at 614 00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:08.719 least try, you know, right, didn't Anny Kaufman like go to Yeah 615 00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:15.360 some it was like an African country and some similar situation. Yeah, and 616 00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:20.039 hard like a heart massage. They opened up his chest or something. It's 617 00:43:20.039 --> 00:43:22.920 just it's footage at that I think somewhere. But anyway, it's uh so 618 00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:28.000 I kind of don't blame him, but I also I don't know. Yeah, 619 00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:30.000 yeah, um, but he he did die. He passed away in 620 00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:35.000 the early morning hours of November seventh, nineteen eighty And it's just so weird. 621 00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:37.360 In nineteen seventy four, becomes the highest paid actor in the world, 622 00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:44.079 disappears, makes nothing for like four years, comes back, makes three kind 623 00:43:44.119 --> 00:43:47.119 of minor films in my opinion, and then dies a very strange end. 624 00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:51.920 Um, you know, and look the other guy, Dennis Hopper, would 625 00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:54.920 disappear for you know, months or years at a time and go on tours 626 00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:58.199 of the country and take photos and stuff. It was, you know, 627 00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:01.039 the hippie era. Um, yeah, but I've never but it's very strange. 628 00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:04.519 He did that and then just never really recovered because he got sick and 629 00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:08.599 died. Um. And they were gonna do he was under contract with Erwin 630 00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:12.920 Irwin Allen to do another film, and they were gonna do The Inferno, 631 00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:16.480 the Towering Inferno two. Uh, and he apparently was considering being in that. 632 00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:20.760 I think he turned it down and they scrapped it not long before he 633 00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:24.519 died. So no Towering Inferno two for all of us. You know, 634 00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:32.760 they could have cut this one in half exactly. William Holding, We've talked 635 00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:36.800 about him before, but he plays the developer, right, the uh, 636 00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:42.719 the the one whose son in law messes everything up. Um. He apparently 637 00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:49.840 wanted top building and they were like, no, it's not in Paul's not 638 00:44:49.880 --> 00:44:52.760 in nineteen seventy four. You're not getting Tought building over those guys. Yeah. 639 00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:57.559 Yeah, it's interesting because we Holding and we covered him, you know, 640 00:44:57.639 --> 00:45:00.519 ad nauseum. Yeah, and our sons at Bulevard podcasts. But I 641 00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:05.000 forgot how I forgot how young he was. You know he was he was 642 00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:08.519 he was like sixty three or something yeah when he died. Yeah, and 643 00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:12.840 he I mean he was a he was a he was a heavy drinker and 644 00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:15.559 he could have passed for seventy five. Uh, you know, he looked 645 00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:19.599 pretty old in this movie, and that would have been you know that he 646 00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:22.280 would have been probably what he would have been in his mid fifties. He 647 00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:25.519 would have been like fifty six or so in this movie. Yeah. Yeah, 648 00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:29.840 and he looked like a lot older than that. Yeah, he looks 649 00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:31.519 like he's in his seventies in the movie. Yeah. Um. I mean 650 00:45:31.639 --> 00:45:35.599 for people that haven't gone back and listened to that episode, just kind of 651 00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:39.480 the cliff Nos version of his death was he was living in an apartment on 652 00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:44.320 the beach in Santa Monica and he had a fall in his bedroom, I 653 00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:49.440 believe, and hit his nightstand table and gashed his head open, and was 654 00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:53.840 believed to have been like very very intoxicated and didn't realize how badly he'd damaged. 655 00:45:53.920 --> 00:45:59.039 He'd hurt himself, he'd gashed his head open, and I guess bloody 656 00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:01.079 kleenexes were found then. They think he was conscious for about half an hour 657 00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:07.920 after it happened, but just didn't couldn't comprehend that he was in serious danger 658 00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:12.199 and he ended up he probably was not in a Yeah, he I mean, 659 00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:15.280 he hit that table so hard that they say it pushed it an inch 660 00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:20.880 into the block, into the drywall. So that's a hell of a fall. 661 00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:23.519 So he probably didn't even know and he was drunk. I mean that, 662 00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:28.000 I think that's been established that he was there was. I mean, 663 00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:31.599 the the proof of that was the empty bottle that was on the table next 664 00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:34.519 to him. Kind of a thing. And imagine, I don't know if 665 00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:38.000 you can actually check the toxicology and you know, when you've been dead for 666 00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:40.480 as long as he was, because he was dead for a while I believe 667 00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:45.960 before his body was discovered. But still he was a famously you know, 668 00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:52.400 an alcohol abuser and a mean alcohol abuser and uh yeah, that's a really 669 00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:54.679 bitter guy. But I didn't come off that way in this movie. He 670 00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:58.920 was very likable, you know, despite the fact that it wasn't even his 671 00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:02.000 fault actually that this whole accident happened. But he kind of was taking the 672 00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:06.599 fall for it in a lot of ways. Uh right, yeah, no, 673 00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:13.639 but ump Bump took the fall for it. La Um. He passed 674 00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:16.960 away on William Holden passed away on November twelfth, nineteen eighty one. Um, 675 00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:22.079 And I mean, for me, he's his sunset Boulevard. So it's 676 00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:23.559 kind of hard for me to even picture him and anything else, even though 677 00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:30.000 he did so much else. Um Fred Astaire, who would have been in 678 00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:35.920 uh well into his seventies and and looked looked, looked at play as an 679 00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:39.840 old Kahn man who is trying to Cohn. Was it Eliza Lette, what 680 00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:47.800 did we settling? Yeah? I mean I joined a Cassum Jennifer Jones, 681 00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:52.079 Yes, Um, and he um plays an old Cohn man. He's there 682 00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:54.480 to kind of rip her off, and he then he decides he's in love 683 00:47:54.519 --> 00:47:58.639 with her and and confesses to her that he was gonna, you know, 684 00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:01.239 sell her stocks and stuff to do didn't exist and um, and then and 685 00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:06.440 then she falls off the elevator and spins like a top uh ninety floors at 686 00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:12.039 the bottom. She was very She didn't deserve what Scott no, but she 687 00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:15.800 was she was like the Shelley Winter's character. You know when they when they 688 00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:21.800 did that that that stairway scene, and you you just you know, she 689 00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:24.079 was wearing the nice flowing dress and she had to climb down this thing, 690 00:48:24.199 --> 00:48:28.880 just like Shelley had to climb up that uh that in the pasiety had to 691 00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:31.599 climb up the Christmas tree. But she was like the sacrifice that had to 692 00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:35.840 be done to teach him a lesson because he was a con man. So 693 00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:38.719 I think that I think that's why they they killed her off in the movie. 694 00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:43.320 Kind of a bad deal her man. Yeah, that was sort of 695 00:48:43.400 --> 00:48:46.440 the surprise part of the movie. That was a surprise death in the movie. 696 00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:50.719 I think that's true. That's true because usually it's they get people to 697 00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:53.639 get it deserve it, and she didn't. Yeah. No, but fredist 698 00:48:54.519 --> 00:49:00.239 So this is the crazy thing. Fred Astaire got his own only Oscar nomination 699 00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:06.440 of his entire career from this movie for a Best Supporting Actor. Isn't that 700 00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:08.639 crazy? He didn't win, but it's the only time he got an honorary 701 00:49:08.679 --> 00:49:14.400 Oscar in nineteen fifty but he had he'd never I can't believe he'd never been 702 00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:19.000 nominated for a legit Oscar and The Towering Inferno in nineteen seventy four is what 703 00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:22.360 he gets it for all the stuff he did. He did the he was 704 00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:23.679 not an actor. I guess he was more of a dancer, but he 705 00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:29.679 acted, but he was never everything he's star billing in was a dancer, 706 00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:32.199 I guess, sure. Yeah, that's what it was. He didn't get 707 00:49:32.199 --> 00:49:36.079 the Oscar for this, but he did win a Golden Globe for I think 708 00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:40.760 Best Supporting Actor. So he I mean, he had to have weighed seventy 709 00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:45.000 five pounds, you know, soaking wet he was. He was not. 710 00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:49.400 He was a very like always look kind of thing. But he's very frail. 711 00:49:50.199 --> 00:49:52.599 Yeah, very very frail. It was just kind of funny how at 712 00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:57.119 the beginning of the movie is like his first scene is taking a taxi to 713 00:49:57.159 --> 00:50:00.679 this this office building and and he gets it's out of the taxi and it's 714 00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:06.119 a ninety ninety five cent fair in a taxi. I know, it's it's 715 00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:08.599 it's very indicative of the time period, and he's counting up pennies. It's 716 00:50:08.639 --> 00:50:13.239 like it was just the funniest thing because you know, now they wouldn't even 717 00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:16.320 what it's like immediately at five dollars when you walk in get into a taxi 718 00:50:16.360 --> 00:50:22.000 anymore, whoever goes into taxis anymore? But but yeah, it's it was 719 00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:22.960 just kind of funny. He doesn't tip the guy, all right, he 720 00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:27.000 says, I'll tip you next time or something like that, right, Yeah, 721 00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:30.079 yeah, so um, but I guy, Yeah, what an amazing 722 00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:31.639 person. And funny that out of all those movies, like you said, 723 00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:37.239 never an Oscar nomination except for this movie. Got a Golden Globe for this 724 00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:40.199 movie. I think a Bapta as well. And it's just it's just for 725 00:50:40.239 --> 00:50:45.320 this silly movie that's largely forgettable except for the epic nature of it. A 726 00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:47.920 lot of people would even say would he wouldn't even know he was in it 727 00:50:49.000 --> 00:50:52.280 unless you unless you, h, you know, pointed it out. So 728 00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:57.119 he was at the end of his life. He was married to a woman 729 00:50:57.199 --> 00:51:02.199 who was forty five years younger than him, Not that there's anything wrong with 730 00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:09.239 that, but forty five years though, that's impressive, you know, but 731 00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:14.400 h But apparently she loved him very much. And now I don't know if 732 00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:17.599 this is true? Can you? Actually they say they had it in his 733 00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:22.519 will. His wife's name was Robin Smith, and they said that he had 734 00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:30.599 it in his will that he can't be portrayed in screen. Oh so they 735 00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:35.280 can't like tell his the Fredistair story or whatever. Yeah, she said that 736 00:51:35.360 --> 00:51:38.280 she would never she promised to never get permission to portray him in a film. 737 00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:43.840 And in his will he said he requested that no such portrayal ever take 738 00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:47.480 place. It's because it's there, the codicil whatever is there because I have 739 00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:52.440 no particular desire to have my life my life misinterpreted, which it would be, 740 00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:54.480 which I know. But you can't. You don't have a control of 741 00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:59.000 that. Can you can make a Fredistaire biopick if you wanted to, You 742 00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:05.159 can't really stops without without the estate's permission. I don't know that you could 743 00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:07.920 do an entire film on him. You could probably get away with having him 744 00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:12.159 be a character in another film, someone else's story. You might be able 745 00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:15.159 to get away with not um going and getting his you know, life story 746 00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:17.559 rights from his estate. But if you wanted to do like the fred Astaire 747 00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:23.679 story, like a biography on him, you could write an authorized biography as 748 00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:28.800 a book. So I that's freaking It's a legal interesting legal area, and 749 00:52:28.840 --> 00:52:30.440 it continues to be an interesting legal area. Whether or not you'd be able 750 00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:37.880 to do that, yeah, I mean you would consider it a tribute or 751 00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:42.000 a what was that tournament Molly Shannon used about a send up? It was 752 00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:45.840 anyway, but it was you know, I can't see how as somebody being 753 00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:50.639 a public persona Now, if you're talking about movie clips. If you're talking 754 00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:54.159 about you know, recreating like MGM movies, there's a copyright issue. I 755 00:52:54.199 --> 00:52:58.800 can understand that, but him as a as a human being, I don't 756 00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:02.000 know. It's just interesting, but I don't know if it's and I don't 757 00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:06.000 know if it's a thing like copyright where it expires after a certain amount of 758 00:53:06.079 --> 00:53:07.559 years. Like obviously, if they're gonna, you know, they do an 759 00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:14.880 Abraham Lincoln bio biopic, they're not going and tracking down his his errors to 760 00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:16.840 see you know what I mean, his descendants is to get permission. So 761 00:53:16.840 --> 00:53:20.760 at a certain point, um, you don't have to. So I do 762 00:53:20.840 --> 00:53:25.000 wonder what point that it's kind of a gray area and time. I doubt 763 00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:29.719 there's good people knocking down doors for the Fredis Stare life story either you know, 764 00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:30.840 I mean he was I mean, I don't mean that in the Nasty 765 00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:34.639 Wire Us. And I can tell you when they do do big you know, 766 00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:40.559 true films, true story films, there are always um extra characters in 767 00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:44.719 those that are portrayed that they did not go and get the permission from that 768 00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:47.519 person to do it right. One of the most famous ones is Jerry Heller, 769 00:53:47.559 --> 00:53:52.400 who was the manager for inwa you know, when they did them straight 770 00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:57.199 out of Compton film. He's portrayed in that movie and they did not consult 771 00:53:57.239 --> 00:54:00.760 with him. He's played by an actor, and he actually was filing a 772 00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:05.039 lawsuit at the time of his death against him for his portrayal. They thought 773 00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:09.079 his portrayal is defamatory. So so if it's like part of a big ensemble 774 00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:12.480 and it's not the main focus, I think they can kind of get away 775 00:54:12.519 --> 00:54:15.039 with it. But if it's about the person specifically, I don't know how 776 00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:19.840 that works. But anyway, that's supposedly in his will, that's what he 777 00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:24.360 had. Now. They kind of made me blanche a little bit. Was 778 00:54:24.440 --> 00:54:29.559 that on when he died. He's he died in Um, well, you 779 00:54:29.559 --> 00:54:30.639 probably have the date right there. I don't. I don't have it right 780 00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:35.480 up the top my head. He died on June twenty second, nineteen eighty 781 00:54:35.480 --> 00:54:38.639 seven. He was eighty eight years old. He died for pneumonia hammonia. 782 00:54:39.039 --> 00:54:45.440 And I think he was born in eighteen ninety nine. Yeah. Yeah, 783 00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:50.440 my grandmother was born in eighteen eighty eight. Yeah, it's bizarre to think 784 00:54:50.519 --> 00:54:52.039 that. I yeah, I grew up with that woman who was born in 785 00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:57.039 the eighteen hundreds. Yeah, she died in seventy seven and she was eighty 786 00:54:57.079 --> 00:55:00.480 eight years old. So wowing people that lived in I wish I had known 787 00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:06.599 to ask them that, you know, the questions about that, um, 788 00:55:06.639 --> 00:55:07.760 you know, being there, you know, the first time they saw a 789 00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:13.440 television, or the first time they heard a telephone, or because they were 790 00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:15.519 old school. I remember they did the old phones. They liked party lines. 791 00:55:15.559 --> 00:55:19.480 They didn't even have their own phone line. You know, they would 792 00:55:21.719 --> 00:55:24.800 where where I lived. I spent about half my childhood in Colorado. When 793 00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:28.440 out in the sticks, I had friends that still had party lines. It 794 00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:31.719 still had party lines in the nineties, in nineteen nineties, not the eighteen 795 00:55:31.800 --> 00:55:37.760 nineties. It's crazy to think that people multiple home sharing the same phone. 796 00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:42.119 It's kind of weird. So I remember when we would leave my grandmother's house 797 00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:45.000 and we would get home. She wanted to know we got home, but 798 00:55:45.039 --> 00:55:47.199 she didn't want anyone to know what we were doing. So we would call 799 00:55:47.360 --> 00:55:52.360 and ring once so no one else would pick up the phone. Or either 800 00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:54.000 that she'd say hello and we'd hang up. But that was just so other 801 00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:58.920 people didn't know what was what was going on. But um, but anyway, 802 00:55:58.960 --> 00:56:02.199 back to the first that's what we're talking about. So he you know, 803 00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:07.480 his widow was forty five years younger than him. Now what I find 804 00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:09.400 is, I said, what makes me kind of a blanche a little bit? 805 00:56:09.800 --> 00:56:14.280 Is it? When he died, a gravestone was put on his grave. 806 00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:16.599 He's at Oakwood Memorial Park. It's the same place where actor Stephen Boyd 807 00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:22.840 was that Bob Crane was there until his wife had had had him exhoomed and 808 00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:29.039 took him to Westwood Cemetery. His gravestone says something to the effect I will 809 00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:32.039 always love you, my dear. You know, had nothing. It didn't 810 00:56:32.039 --> 00:56:38.280 say actor dance or extraordinariyor I will always love you, my dear. It 811 00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:40.719 was just to me. It kind of was like, it's not about you, 812 00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:45.159 love you know, I understand it's about you, but it's really about 813 00:56:45.239 --> 00:56:47.599 him. This is forever place, people forever going to come to visit and 814 00:56:47.599 --> 00:56:51.679 pay their respects to him, and they're gonna go, whose I, Who 815 00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:54.360 is I? You know? Why? Why why is your personal message on 816 00:56:54.360 --> 00:56:58.679 on his tombstone? It's a right. She paid for it, and she's 817 00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:01.519 completely in her you know, in her right to do that. But it 818 00:57:01.599 --> 00:57:05.199 just made me uncomfortable. It's like, well, not about you, really, 819 00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:07.760 but it's weird. We talked in our last show. I think about 820 00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:13.960 a dispute over a headstone. It's funny how that happens with Was it with 821 00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:17.800 Sinatra? Oh right? Yeah? Yeah. And it's never never about the 822 00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:22.480 person, it's never about the person's wishes. I just saw a story about 823 00:57:22.519 --> 00:57:27.360 them moving John Barrymore's body. His son did it, and the whole thing 824 00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:31.360 about it because his Barrymore wanted to be buried back I think back East with 825 00:57:31.519 --> 00:57:35.960 the family, the family plot, and he wasn't. He was buried out 826 00:57:35.960 --> 00:57:39.199 here, and the sun finally was like, screw that. We We're gonna 827 00:57:39.400 --> 00:57:43.400 the son and the grand somewhere, like we're gonna move him. And they 828 00:57:43.480 --> 00:57:46.159 basically I think they were gonna have to have the whole family signed the paperwork, 829 00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:50.039 and they kind of like, h kind of fudge that a little bit 830 00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:53.360 just because they didn't want to deal with all the various personalities that they would 831 00:57:53.360 --> 00:57:55.639 have to deal with. They just wanted to they'd never felt it was right 832 00:57:55.679 --> 00:58:00.960 that his his wishes weren't honored m where he wanted to be put, and 833 00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:04.079 they moved him. But yeah, I mean, it's about what they wanted 834 00:58:04.159 --> 00:58:06.880 done. I think, I think, I mean, we'll look up when 835 00:58:06.880 --> 00:58:08.880 they ripped off Graham Parson's body and set him on fire. You know, 836 00:58:09.039 --> 00:58:15.320 he in the desert, you know, I mean, he they knew it's 837 00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:19.079 not what he wanted, and they they they stole his body and lit it 838 00:58:19.119 --> 00:58:22.519 on fire, trying to cremate him, not realizing that it takes a little 839 00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:24.920 bit more than gasoline to uh, to cremate somebody. You know, it's 840 00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:30.400 there's a lot of remains to go through. But still it's trying to honor 841 00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:34.199 him the best you way, the best way you can. But I don't 842 00:58:34.239 --> 00:58:39.800 know. Personal post it's on people's graves don't really fly. But that's me. 843 00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:43.880 That's me. It's not it's not for me to say, I mean 844 00:58:43.880 --> 00:58:47.960 to say, while it is because I just said it. It is for 845 00:58:49.000 --> 00:58:52.880 you to say, Scott, your opinion matters. Yes, Um, I 846 00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:55.400 put Jennifer Jones down next. Is that a good one to go to? 847 00:58:57.320 --> 00:59:01.199 Yeah, that's fine. I mean, she's a she's a a sad individual, 848 00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:04.480 man, I should talk about you know, she had some breaks, 849 00:59:04.480 --> 00:59:08.840 some bad breaks, and she had a history of psychological problems and she at 850 00:59:08.880 --> 00:59:14.320 one point attempted suicide. She jumped off a cliff in Malibu, and I 851 00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:19.400 think her daughter eventually did commit suicide later. And she was a big advocate 852 00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:24.639 for mental health awareness. That was her big cause. She was nominated for 853 00:59:24.679 --> 00:59:29.360 five Oscars, one of them being for The Towering Inferno, which was her 854 00:59:29.440 --> 00:59:36.800 last film before she went into retirement, and she won Best Actress for the 855 00:59:36.920 --> 00:59:39.920 Song of Bernadette. And she was the sixth youngest actress to ever win a 856 00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:45.960 Best Actress Oscar. She won it on her twenty fifth birthday. Only Hepburn 857 00:59:46.039 --> 00:59:50.480 beat her by forty days for Roman Holidays, being younger than her. But 858 00:59:50.599 --> 00:59:54.800 she was the sixty youngest actress to ever win it. Yep. And there 859 00:59:54.840 --> 00:59:57.719 was something else, Oh, I was just gonna say, she should have 860 00:59:57.760 --> 01:00:01.239 won an award for marrying well. She married David Selznick until he died, 861 01:00:01.639 --> 01:00:06.519 and then she married you know, the industrial the wealthy industrialist Norton Simon. 862 01:00:07.599 --> 01:00:10.800 After that, of course, who has an excellent art museum called the Norton 863 01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:15.360 Simon Museum in Pasadena. It's a really good little art museum and apparently, 864 01:00:15.400 --> 01:00:20.920 according to Wikipedia, um some of the artwork that appears at The beginning of 865 01:00:20.920 --> 01:00:28.159 this film is from Norton Simon's collection. Really m hmm, interesting, I 866 01:00:28.199 --> 01:00:30.079 wonder why. Yeah, I mean, I know they own the Blue Boy 867 01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:32.559 in the Pink Lady. Those are the ones I know because I am only 868 01:00:32.559 --> 01:00:37.800 familiar with, like the masterpieces. I really like, if you're in southern 869 01:00:37.800 --> 01:00:40.840 California and you need a museum that's not like a full day like you know, 870 01:00:40.960 --> 01:00:45.559 LACMA or the Getty is Norton Simon's a really nice, like you know, 871 01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:49.360 one at one or two hour visit to. Yeah, you know, 872 01:00:49.360 --> 01:00:52.400 see a nice space with some nice art, but not be overwhelmed by it, 873 01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:57.920 you know, right, yeah, um, what do you think about? 874 01:00:58.159 --> 01:01:00.639 Yeah? It was there. It was her daughter with Selznick. I 875 01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:04.119 think they died as she jumped. She jumped too, I mean Jennifer Jones 876 01:01:04.199 --> 01:01:08.599 tried to and well she did and they found her and they but then the 877 01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:13.599 daughter jumped. She's twenty second floor of a building somewhere downtown. I think, 878 01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:16.599 yeah, yeah, but at least she embraced it afterwards in the mental 879 01:01:16.639 --> 01:01:21.960 illness thing and was a real advocate for you know, therapy and things like 880 01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:24.159 that. Exactly. Yeah, get help, if you get get help, 881 01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:31.760 um her ashes and her ashes are interred with Selznick, not Norton Simon over 882 01:01:31.800 --> 01:01:38.559 at Forest Lawn. So interesting. M hmm. Yeah, She's just say 883 01:01:38.599 --> 01:01:43.679 she was like the Shelly Winter's character of this movie. She was likable and 884 01:01:44.199 --> 01:01:49.159 a bit awkward and clearly fish out of water and I ended up but likable 885 01:01:49.239 --> 01:01:52.519 and surprisingly we should put a disclaimer, you know at the beginning, well 886 01:01:52.679 --> 01:01:58.599 you know that there's just all of the spoilers in the world in this right, 887 01:01:59.599 --> 01:02:01.639 but she was like the surprising death of all the deaths in the movie. 888 01:02:01.639 --> 01:02:07.719 That was the one I didn't see comment m yeah. And she passed 889 01:02:07.719 --> 01:02:12.000 away on December seventeenth, two thousand and nine at the age of ninety from 890 01:02:12.079 --> 01:02:17.519 natural causes. Preston Peace. And then the last actor that I really wanted 891 01:02:17.519 --> 01:02:22.559 to talk about, and I really wanted to talk about this for you, 892 01:02:22.679 --> 01:02:30.000 Scott, was Robert Vaughan, who is best known for being in The Magnificent 893 01:02:30.039 --> 01:02:32.679 Seven and bullet In Superman three and Delta Force and The Man from Uncle. 894 01:02:34.480 --> 01:02:36.880 But I wanted to talk about this one because I know how much you love 895 01:02:36.920 --> 01:02:40.960 a good Hollywood paternity dispute, and there's a really good one with Robert von 896 01:02:42.039 --> 01:02:45.920 there's a really good one with Royson. Yeah so um. The famous producer 897 01:02:45.920 --> 01:02:52.000 and director Matthew Vaughan a British director who produced Lockstock and Two Smoking Barrels and 898 01:02:52.039 --> 01:02:55.880 Snatch and directed Layer Cake and kick Ass and X Men First Class and the 899 01:02:55.960 --> 01:03:01.960 Kingsman movies, and is married to Claudia Schiffer. He for the first like 900 01:03:02.079 --> 01:03:07.360 thirty some years of his life believe that he was Robert Vaughan's son and was 901 01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:12.559 named Matthew Vaughn, took on his surname and came to find out in two 902 01:03:12.559 --> 01:03:17.760 thousand and two that his real father was a British aristocrat and was not. 903 01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:22.559 Yeah, hold on, I'll tell you it's a name I can't really pronounce 904 01:03:22.639 --> 01:03:27.360 very well, one of these very aristocratic like ten name names, George de 905 01:03:27.559 --> 01:03:34.599 Vera Drummond or de Vere Drumond. So Matthew Vaughan has changed his last name 906 01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:40.039 personally to however you pronounced demand Drummond, de Vere Drummond. But you know, 907 01:03:40.199 --> 01:03:44.360 professionally he's still Matthew Vaughan, because that's kind of that's how everybody knows 908 01:03:44.480 --> 01:03:46.280 him. But he does not go by that in his personal life anymore. 909 01:03:46.480 --> 01:03:53.519 And here's the extra drama. His mother found out that that Robert Vaughan was 910 01:03:53.599 --> 01:03:59.639 not the father back in the eighties and didn't tell her son, so he 911 01:03:59.719 --> 01:04:03.360 didn't find Well that's very British though, it's very British. We just won't 912 01:04:03.400 --> 01:04:09.360 say anything secret and every family has their dark secret. We don't discuss. 913 01:04:09.519 --> 01:04:12.360 Yeah, right, I mean she must have known. I mean well, 914 01:04:12.440 --> 01:04:15.239 I mean, well maybe she didn't, but uh um, that that is 915 01:04:15.719 --> 01:04:20.039 that's really interesting. I mean because I knew. It's an odd He had 916 01:04:20.079 --> 01:04:23.519 a career in England that I didn't even know about. I mean, he 917 01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:27.679 was in he was in a British soap opera in two thousands and you know, 918 01:04:27.760 --> 01:04:30.159 in the early two thousands called Coronation Street, which is like a you 919 01:04:30.239 --> 01:04:33.480 know, it's like a real British thing. It's not like you know of 920 01:04:33.679 --> 01:04:36.880 now. It's it is like so British it's not even true. And he 921 01:04:38.079 --> 01:04:40.760 was in that for a while and it was like that surprised me on his 922 01:04:40.840 --> 01:04:44.360 IMDb page and he did. He was in Little Britain. He was in 923 01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:46.800 an episode of the of the comedy show A Little Britain. So he had 924 01:04:46.840 --> 01:04:50.000 a real connection to England. Now I know why because of his son. 925 01:04:50.480 --> 01:04:55.360 But I didn't I didn't know that before. So that's uh, that's very 926 01:04:55.480 --> 01:05:00.480 interesting. That's that's interesting. Yeah, very And Robert Vaughan lived in the 927 01:05:00.599 --> 01:05:04.639 twenty sixteen, so so Robert lived long enough to know the truth and for 928 01:05:04.760 --> 01:05:10.719 his son to know the truth. And I think UM gave Matthew Vaughn or 929 01:05:10.920 --> 01:05:14.800 permission or urged him to keep the last surname, or said you can keep, 930 01:05:14.880 --> 01:05:16.880 you know, calling yourself that if you want to, and so that 931 01:05:17.039 --> 01:05:19.320 was nice, I guess. But yeah, so he didn't even know, 932 01:05:19.800 --> 01:05:27.679 I guess. I guess nobody knew, not until the mother supposedly found out 933 01:05:27.679 --> 01:05:30.920 in the nineteen eighties. So I would imagine Robert Vaughan probably found out also 934 01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:35.400 in the nineteen eighties. Hmm, yeah, crazy, wow. He I 935 01:05:35.519 --> 01:05:40.679 remember when when when this, you know, we talked about this in the 936 01:05:40.760 --> 01:05:43.960 Jaws podcast. I was a huge, huge fan of Jaws, and I 937 01:05:44.039 --> 01:05:48.280 remember when this movie came out there was well that would have been after Jaws 938 01:05:48.320 --> 01:05:51.519 and Jaws was seventy five. Anyway, Robert Vaughan was going to be on 939 01:05:51.800 --> 01:05:57.000 the Tonight Show and I remember, like I was never a Tonight Show fan, 940 01:05:57.079 --> 01:05:59.440 but I say, that because I thought it was going to be Murray 941 01:05:59.480 --> 01:06:01.960 Hamilton played Mayor Vaughan and Jaws, so I thought Mark, you know, 942 01:06:02.079 --> 01:06:04.239 it was so stupid as a kid, but I was like, oh my 943 01:06:04.280 --> 01:06:06.280 god, the mayor from Jaws is going to be on this night show. 944 01:06:06.480 --> 01:06:12.960 And it was Robert Van I was so disappointed. Man from Uncle was a 945 01:06:13.000 --> 01:06:15.320 great show. I love that show. And uh, and that's that was 946 01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:19.079 one of those tribute questions when people ask about Man from Uncle. It was 947 01:06:19.280 --> 01:06:26.760 what actually did Uncle stand for? And it's a United Network United Network Command 948 01:06:26.800 --> 01:06:32.039 for Law Enforcement? Oh wow? And uh, but it's also another British 949 01:06:32.119 --> 01:06:35.920 thing because they they're there, you remember get Smart. It was Chaos was 950 01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:41.199 the name of their their anti spy you know there there and this one was 951 01:06:41.360 --> 01:06:44.960 Thrush and Thrush is like, you know, it's like a East infection, 952 01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:47.119 so and there, you know, it's just kind of funny, you know, 953 01:06:47.239 --> 01:06:51.599 Thrush and there'd be some some laugh some laughs there. And he was 954 01:06:51.599 --> 01:06:55.440 also in Pootie Tang, which I love. I love that movie. Pooty 955 01:06:57.440 --> 01:07:00.880 Don't forget that. I love that. Have you ever seen Potty than I 956 01:07:00.960 --> 01:07:04.400 have? Very funny movie? Said I say, it's a very funny movie. 957 01:07:04.559 --> 01:07:10.119 Yeah, that's hilarious. It is good. It is a good movie. 958 01:07:10.239 --> 01:07:13.679 But anyway, Yeah, so Robert Vaughn died. He died November eleventh, 959 01:07:13.800 --> 01:07:16.880 twenty sixteen. He was eighty three, and he had been getting treatment 960 01:07:16.920 --> 01:07:20.320 for leukemia for the year leading up to his death. So my assumption is 961 01:07:20.360 --> 01:07:27.320 that that's that was what caused that are contributed was leukemia. Yeah, yeah, 962 01:07:27.679 --> 01:07:30.719 by all, I mean I know that Jeff Man Mentor, who owns 963 01:07:30.800 --> 01:07:34.880 Larry Edmond's Bookstore, he was friendly with Robert Vaughn. He come in every 964 01:07:34.960 --> 01:07:39.840 once in a while to this old Hollywood bookstore, the last one is left 965 01:07:39.880 --> 01:07:43.760 in Hollywood, and so it was neat that he was a cool guy that 966 01:07:44.039 --> 01:07:48.920 supported you know, the old bookstore is a neat right. Um, So 967 01:07:49.119 --> 01:07:53.639 Robert Vaughn's the last one I had on my list. Luck luckily, a 968 01:07:53.719 --> 01:07:57.079 lot of the actors in this film are still alive. That's nice. Yeah, 969 01:07:57.119 --> 01:08:02.199 Water is still alive and Fay Dunaways alive, and you know he has 970 01:08:02.239 --> 01:08:06.840 faked unaway. She was a she's I'm you know, she is not good. 971 01:08:08.440 --> 01:08:11.519 She's just she's like a stiff as a board, you know, I 972 01:08:11.599 --> 01:08:15.280 mean, Mommy Diarist I can't see anything else but that she wanted an Academy 973 01:08:15.320 --> 01:08:17.840 Ward for a network. I gotta watch that one again because it's really good. 974 01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:23.880 She plays kind of a really badass, ball busting career woman who's she's 975 01:08:23.960 --> 01:08:28.199 kick assing that I like her. I just think she's awful in this movie. 976 01:08:28.439 --> 01:08:32.000 And she and she did her typical face stuff. You know, she 977 01:08:32.119 --> 01:08:36.319 showed up late and people were show I said they had like the paperwork they 978 01:08:36.359 --> 01:08:41.159 were showing. Miss Dunaway showed up ninety minutes late and people were just leaving 979 01:08:41.239 --> 01:08:44.119 the set, you know, Robert, you know holding In fact, they 980 01:08:44.159 --> 01:08:47.159 say that there was a confrontation between you know, Holden. They say slammed 981 01:08:47.199 --> 01:08:51.039 her against the wall and said, you know, quit messing around. And 982 01:08:51.159 --> 01:08:57.039 after that, she showed up on time after after that, but but she's 983 01:08:57.119 --> 01:08:59.800 famously it was like, you know, I'm half in the bag by noon. 984 01:09:00.039 --> 01:09:02.800 We gotta get this done. Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. 985 01:09:03.439 --> 01:09:08.319 But she is I mean, she's got such a terrible reputation. And we've 986 01:09:08.319 --> 01:09:12.920 probably talked about this on before. When there's a great appearance of Betty Davis 987 01:09:13.159 --> 01:09:16.119 on The Tonight Show. She did a movie with Fate Dunaway called The Disappearance 988 01:09:16.159 --> 01:09:20.439 of Sister Amy, which is about the evangelist Amy Semple McPherson, and there 989 01:09:20.520 --> 01:09:26.359 was a period of time where she was unaccounted for and Betty Davis played her 990 01:09:26.399 --> 01:09:31.000 mother. So Betty Davis was asked on the Tonight Show close to her death, 991 01:09:31.079 --> 01:09:32.920 so in the l in the mid eighties, MI to late eighties, 992 01:09:33.439 --> 01:09:38.960 is there anyone that you would that you did not enjoy working with? And 993 01:09:39.279 --> 01:09:43.159 she said one, hands down, fake Dunaway. And she was never person 994 01:09:43.239 --> 01:09:45.640 to name names. Betty Davis was never won to trash she, but she 995 01:09:45.760 --> 01:09:49.720 said she was the most unprofessional person I've ever worked with. And people in 996 01:09:49.800 --> 01:09:53.239 the audience were giggling. She's like, this is not funny. I'm not 997 01:09:53.359 --> 01:09:56.199 saying this would be funny. She showed up late, you know, and 998 01:09:56.319 --> 01:09:59.680 I had to you know, there's a courtroom scene and she wouldn't even show 999 01:09:59.760 --> 01:10:02.840 up and Eddie Davis would, you know, try to entertain the extras there 1000 01:10:02.880 --> 01:10:06.039 because they're sitting there in the heat. And Dunaway shows up late. But 1001 01:10:06.439 --> 01:10:10.720 Davis goes out in a real terror about her. And that's for Betty Davis, 1002 01:10:10.760 --> 01:10:15.600 who could not be more professional, to actually throw Fay down like that. 1003 01:10:15.319 --> 01:10:19.520 Um, it was very revealing. And there are lots of those stories, 1004 01:10:19.600 --> 01:10:24.079 don't you don't you know who I am, Stories of her stores and 1005 01:10:24.800 --> 01:10:28.800 uh, you know, throwing things and hitting people with things and throwing things 1006 01:10:28.840 --> 01:10:32.239 at people and so um, she's notorious for being that one. It's too 1007 01:10:32.319 --> 01:10:35.880 bad because I think my favorite photo of a celebrity ever is the famous one 1008 01:10:35.960 --> 01:10:41.359 of her by the pool at the Beverly Hills Hotel the morning after she won 1009 01:10:41.399 --> 01:10:45.039 the oscar for Network. I love that photo so much. It's such an 1010 01:10:45.119 --> 01:10:48.279 interesting with the newspaper pages all spread out on the ground below her and she's 1011 01:10:48.279 --> 01:10:51.880 just chilling by the pool with her oscar sitting there on the table with you 1012 01:10:51.920 --> 01:10:55.800 know, her tea or whatever, her coffee or whatever it was on the 1013 01:10:55.880 --> 01:11:00.279 table. Yeah. I love that photos. It's like the second and the 1014 01:11:00.399 --> 01:11:03.680 second wave, the peak at the second wave of the Hollywood Golden Age, 1015 01:11:03.720 --> 01:11:09.279 like Golden Age part two and uh and yeah that's all the Evans business and 1016 01:11:09.399 --> 01:11:15.159 Nicholson and all those you know that was whoever thought those would be the Golden 1017 01:11:15.239 --> 01:11:18.680 Age again? You know that's that's so funny because they're over. So many 1018 01:11:18.680 --> 01:11:24.039 of those guys are dead or dying that there is. It's like, what's 1019 01:11:24.119 --> 01:11:28.119 next. I'm afraid that I'm afraid to even think it. Really, you 1020 01:11:28.199 --> 01:11:31.119 know, there's something to be said for the studio system. So um. 1021 01:11:31.159 --> 01:11:34.640 But yeah, anyway, Faye was a piece of work. And she and 1022 01:11:34.800 --> 01:11:39.079 I you know, she was she was she was, she was Fay, 1023 01:11:39.520 --> 01:11:43.960 she was Fay. But the other people that I had, I was just 1024 01:11:44.039 --> 01:11:46.479 gonna go on about some of the some of the moments in the in the 1025 01:11:46.640 --> 01:11:50.800 show, in the movie, because there's so many interesting. Uh well, 1026 01:11:50.840 --> 01:11:56.119 first of all, I thought this is unrelated but related. I thought The 1027 01:11:56.199 --> 01:12:00.960 Besides Adventure was the first disaster film, but it was actually Airport in nineteen 1028 01:12:01.079 --> 01:12:05.720 seventy that was the first airs of the big the first of the big seventies 1029 01:12:06.199 --> 01:12:10.199 disaster movies. Disaster kind of Yeah, so I thought, you know, 1030 01:12:10.319 --> 01:12:14.560 I thought that The Positon Adventure was the groundbreaker there, but no, it 1031 01:12:14.760 --> 01:12:18.600 was actually this other one air airplane that can't be right, no airplanes comedy 1032 01:12:19.000 --> 01:12:23.239 Airport is the one airports. Yeah, they did a whole bunch, They 1033 01:12:23.279 --> 01:12:29.520 did a whole string of airport movies and make people terrify of flying. Yeah. 1034 01:12:29.840 --> 01:12:31.840 In fact that now somebody I had it written down and that somebody in 1035 01:12:31.920 --> 01:12:35.920 this movie was in airport seventy nine. Oh, Susan Blakeley, who played 1036 01:12:36.000 --> 01:12:41.520 Richard Chamberlain's wife in the movie, she was in the Concord air airports. 1037 01:12:42.640 --> 01:12:45.520 Those were great movies because they, I mean, they have people like you 1038 01:12:45.560 --> 01:12:48.720 know, Gloria Swanson and Jimmy Stewart were in these We're in these airplanes. 1039 01:12:48.960 --> 01:12:51.159 They were they were cool. I mean, these are people that had a 1040 01:12:51.199 --> 01:12:54.880 week to kill, you know, and you go to the studio up the 1041 01:12:54.960 --> 01:12:58.159 road and they had the phony airplane set up and you know, why not, 1042 01:12:58.359 --> 01:13:01.920 I'll make fifty grand and no problem. Yeah, right, right right. 1043 01:13:03.600 --> 01:13:06.319 But um so, some of the moments that if in the movie that 1044 01:13:06.399 --> 01:13:11.920 I found were interesting, Well, oh there, we didn't say anything about 1045 01:13:12.479 --> 01:13:15.560 Bobby Brady with the headphones. That was he shows up at the beginning of 1046 01:13:15.640 --> 01:13:18.399 the movie Mike look on Linda, who was Bobby Brady, who was the 1047 01:13:18.479 --> 01:13:23.680 precocious young boy just like Eric Shay was in The Poseidon Adventure. And he 1048 01:13:24.239 --> 01:13:27.319 has these headphones on. They're wireless, but they're like this big and they're 1049 01:13:27.359 --> 01:13:31.199 with big antennas and something like that. So that was that was another comparison 1050 01:13:31.319 --> 01:13:36.000 to the Poseidon Adventure was the precocious young boy. The fire started in the 1051 01:13:36.119 --> 01:13:40.239 room break in a breaker box on the eighty first floor. I thought it 1052 01:13:40.359 --> 01:13:44.359 was interesting because the breaker box open opens, and when I was a boy 1053 01:13:44.399 --> 01:13:46.439 scout, one of the first things they taught you was like, for some 1054 01:13:46.560 --> 01:13:53.199 reason oily rags existed, Be careful of oily rags because they're a fire hazard. 1055 01:13:53.520 --> 01:13:56.600 And that was like what I was never where did where did oily rags 1056 01:13:56.720 --> 01:14:00.319 ever happen? But that's what it was. In the eighty first floor of 1057 01:14:00.399 --> 01:14:03.560 this office building is a pile of oily rags, about six pens, six 1058 01:14:03.680 --> 01:14:09.279 cans of spray paint, and these five gallon drums that don't say anything except 1059 01:14:09.399 --> 01:14:14.640 flammable aim. It's like what the contents are, we don't know, but 1060 01:14:14.720 --> 01:14:17.359 it's all in one time, every single it's make a nuclear bomb in that 1061 01:14:17.520 --> 01:14:21.439 tiny little storage cabinet with everything that was in there, and yet it's like 1062 01:14:21.640 --> 01:14:27.239 a really long time for it to actually catch on fire. And then there 1063 01:14:27.319 --> 01:14:31.199 was a scene where Steve McQueen shows up and he goes to the eighty first 1064 01:14:31.239 --> 01:14:34.560 floor and they're trying to get this thing under control and it's not working. 1065 01:14:34.880 --> 01:14:39.520 And he has to go to the upper floors to I guess warn people up 1066 01:14:39.560 --> 01:14:43.960 there to get ready to go or something. But so he literally walks about 1067 01:14:44.039 --> 01:14:48.520 twenty feet to an elevator twenty feet on the fire to get onto an elevator 1068 01:14:48.560 --> 01:14:50.800 to take it up in the building, which is again the first thing it 1069 01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:55.239 happens when there's a fire in a building. Elevators get shut down and you 1070 01:14:55.359 --> 01:14:57.880 use the stairs. Well, here's the chief of the fires, you know, 1071 01:14:57.960 --> 01:15:00.960 the fire brigade, going and using the elevat twenty feet I mean, 1072 01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:03.000 I'm not even joking, like right around the corner from the flames and he 1073 01:15:03.079 --> 01:15:08.760 gets into an elevator, which is it's just funny. There is. There 1074 01:15:08.800 --> 01:15:13.560 are a couple of uh there. For some it's an inexplicable thing. On 1075 01:15:13.680 --> 01:15:17.560 the bar in the promenade room is a lighted candle. I noticed it about 1076 01:15:17.600 --> 01:15:21.159 three times. It's nothing, there's no attention brought to it, and it's 1077 01:15:21.159 --> 01:15:25.680 not like it's an atmospheric candle like those pretty ones that hit as centerpieces. 1078 01:15:25.960 --> 01:15:30.000 It is like a single white candle on the bar in the middle of the 1079 01:15:30.159 --> 01:15:32.279 scene. Three times in the movie. I don't know why it's there, 1080 01:15:32.319 --> 01:15:36.760 but it's a lighted candle on fire, distracting if you catch it. But 1081 01:15:38.199 --> 01:15:42.520 there must be some kind of symbolism to that, you know, very obvious 1082 01:15:42.560 --> 01:15:45.920 symbolism if it is. But I just somebody had to be somebody's had to 1083 01:15:45.960 --> 01:15:51.520 be somebody's you know, joke or something. There are a lot of featured 1084 01:15:51.960 --> 01:15:57.479 extras in the movie. There's a couple that, like at the beginning when 1085 01:15:57.680 --> 01:16:00.399 Paul Newman walks in, somebody walks by and say hello, there, whatever 1086 01:16:00.479 --> 01:16:03.720 your name is, and not even not even facing the camera. And I 1087 01:16:03.760 --> 01:16:06.760 would have swore that would have been like Irwin Allen's cameo or something like it. 1088 01:16:06.840 --> 01:16:10.239 But I googled like crazy, couldn't find anything. But it was one 1089 01:16:10.279 --> 01:16:14.960 of those weird that's odd you know, here's this this guy that's blocking Paul 1090 01:16:15.039 --> 01:16:18.960 Newman's face and saying this weird line that's oddly focused on. And so there 1091 01:16:19.079 --> 01:16:24.279 was, there was. But I do know that Irwin Allen's wife was in 1092 01:16:24.399 --> 01:16:29.319 this movie, and his girlfriend was in this movie. And his girlfriend, 1093 01:16:29.800 --> 01:16:33.279 yeah, yeah, yeah, his girlfriend played the mayor's wife and the mayor 1094 01:16:33.399 --> 01:16:36.680 and she's a featured extra. She's a she's not a not a not a 1095 01:16:36.840 --> 01:16:42.159 slim woman. She's got a pink dress and the most awful blonde wig on 1096 01:16:42.279 --> 01:16:45.239 her head, and and they show her in a ton of scenes. They 1097 01:16:45.319 --> 01:16:49.039 show her she's one of the people on the sceneic elevator, and I didn't 1098 01:16:49.079 --> 01:16:53.319 know it until I watched the retrospective thing that she was. She was interviewed 1099 01:16:53.359 --> 01:16:56.560 and she was Irwin Allen's girlfriend at the time, but his real wife was 1100 01:16:56.600 --> 01:16:59.399 in the movie, so I don't know what their relationship was like. But 1101 01:16:59.600 --> 01:17:02.239 this she shows up a lot in the movie, and she actually looked younger 1102 01:17:02.319 --> 01:17:08.359 twenty years after the movie than she did in the In the actual movie, 1103 01:17:09.479 --> 01:17:13.119 they say that, well, steveh ac Queen, there's one really interesting scene 1104 01:17:13.199 --> 01:17:17.600 where I thought it was strange he was during the movie. I mean, 1105 01:17:17.640 --> 01:17:20.520 it's a two hour, forty five minute movie. There's a scene where he's 1106 01:17:20.520 --> 01:17:26.479 sitting with the other firefighters on the floor in the lobby. Now how he 1107 01:17:26.560 --> 01:17:29.520 goes from way up there down to the lobby, but he's sitting there, 1108 01:17:29.640 --> 01:17:31.319 you know, taking a rest with the other firefighters, which okay, I 1109 01:17:31.439 --> 01:17:34.680 was like, all right, I'm it's weird, but I'm on board with 1110 01:17:34.760 --> 01:17:39.800 it. But it turns out that he screwed up his foot in a in 1111 01:17:39.920 --> 01:17:45.119 a scene, and he had to do several scenes sitting. So that's why 1112 01:17:45.159 --> 01:17:46.960 they had him. That's why they had him in the movie. How they 1113 01:17:47.000 --> 01:17:53.199 had how they had they had him sitting for which was weird, but that 1114 01:17:53.359 --> 01:18:00.600 explained it more so than for me. Anyway. Another ridiculous moment was outside 1115 01:18:00.640 --> 01:18:04.279 the promenade room where the big event was happening, the opening, the launch 1116 01:18:04.319 --> 01:18:08.079 of this whole thing, with all the dignitaries, the senator and the mayor 1117 01:18:08.880 --> 01:18:12.119 right outside like two fire doors and one of them on the other side of 1118 01:18:12.239 --> 01:18:16.760 cement blocking it, like like a wheel barrel of cement, you know, 1119 01:18:16.920 --> 01:18:20.479 dried on the door this fire door of this this amazing building. And the 1120 01:18:20.680 --> 01:18:25.720 thing is that the platform is only about twenty feet long by five feet, 1121 01:18:25.920 --> 01:18:30.119 so how a wheelbarrel of of concrete is up there and tipped over and the 1122 01:18:30.199 --> 01:18:36.640 fireman can't get in and he just happens to have uh, plastic explosive explosive 1123 01:18:38.560 --> 01:18:42.319 firefighters carry with them in their pockets. Yeah, it's kind of funny. 1124 01:18:44.159 --> 01:18:46.560 I love that kind of stuff. And there is a there was another scene 1125 01:18:46.760 --> 01:18:50.960 that of the helicopter rescue. Yeah, there's a big part where you know, 1126 01:18:51.039 --> 01:18:54.920 they're the helicopter comes, they're gonna lift airlift people off of the roof 1127 01:18:54.960 --> 01:18:58.880 of the building. And the helicopters come military I believe it was the Navy 1128 01:18:59.000 --> 01:19:03.199 that was that was landing the helicopter there, and these two women extras run 1129 01:19:03.359 --> 01:19:08.760 towards this thing and he flips and smashes up and explodes. Well, first 1130 01:19:08.760 --> 01:19:11.479 of all, you never see any of the wreckage, like landing on the 1131 01:19:11.560 --> 01:19:15.760 road below. It's not it's just this explosion in the end. But those 1132 01:19:15.800 --> 01:19:17.920 two women who ran up to it and cause the accident go right back into 1133 01:19:18.000 --> 01:19:21.439 the crowd and everyone's like comforting them because like they're scared. It's like I 1134 01:19:21.520 --> 01:19:24.880 would have thrown him off the roof, you know, it's like you just 1135 01:19:25.000 --> 01:19:29.640 screwed this up. You screwed up. Yeah, And and they're like, 1136 01:19:29.720 --> 01:19:30.720 oh, come here, oh you poor thing. It's like, no, 1137 01:19:30.960 --> 01:19:33.760 you screwed up because it's founding. You stay back here. And these two 1138 01:19:33.800 --> 01:19:39.159 idiots go running for it and they they So that pissed me off, but 1139 01:19:39.279 --> 01:19:43.279 it was interesting. There's so I mean, there's so many weird, little, 1140 01:19:43.600 --> 01:19:46.279 weird little things, but most of the special effects were good. The 1141 01:19:46.439 --> 01:19:50.760 weird the worst of it, I believe was the Steve between scenic elevator bit 1142 01:19:51.119 --> 01:19:57.079 when they showed him being you know, airlifted like this behind the elevator. 1143 01:19:57.199 --> 01:20:00.359 That was that was really bad. That was that was like comic cleat bad. 1144 01:20:00.439 --> 01:20:08.399 That was like a Carol Burnett's kit or something like that. But yeah, 1145 01:20:08.560 --> 01:20:10.720 but that, I mean, I think those are all I think all 1146 01:20:10.800 --> 01:20:15.520 my notes about about how the points I wanted to make. They say that 1147 01:20:15.680 --> 01:20:18.960 Paul Newman supposedly developed an allergy to smoke. While that that's sort of a 1148 01:20:19.039 --> 01:20:23.840 silly thing because that sounds like an urban legend. Yeah, it sounds like 1149 01:20:23.960 --> 01:20:26.600 something that would happen to anybody on the set. He's round like that was 1150 01:20:26.640 --> 01:20:30.000 like a hot set. I mean literally a hot set. He was also 1151 01:20:30.079 --> 01:20:32.159 a heavy smoker, like well into like I think he quit in like nineteen 1152 01:20:32.239 --> 01:20:36.159 eighty six or something like that and ultimately died from cancer. So I don't 1153 01:20:36.399 --> 01:20:40.119 if he was a heavy smoker, I don't think he became allergic to set 1154 01:20:40.520 --> 01:20:45.119 just to fake smoke. That sounds crazy, Yeah, no doubt. One 1155 01:20:45.159 --> 01:20:47.560 thing I really like about these old disaster movies is that they are a little 1156 01:20:47.640 --> 01:20:53.119 time capsules, and they show you what people were concerned about at the time, 1157 01:20:53.279 --> 01:20:59.000 right, like you know the airport movies is I think because commercial flight 1158 01:20:59.199 --> 01:21:02.239 started becoming accessible to the masses and a lot more flights, and so air 1159 01:21:02.359 --> 01:21:06.000 disasters became like a hot thing in air safety. Right. And then if 1160 01:21:06.039 --> 01:21:10.640 you look at the timing, the Series Tower which is now called the Willis 1161 01:21:10.720 --> 01:21:14.119 Tower, was finished the year before this movie, or no, it was 1162 01:21:14.159 --> 01:21:16.359 finished the year this movie was made. And then as you said at the 1163 01:21:16.399 --> 01:21:19.600 top, the World Trade Center was finished the year before, and so it 1164 01:21:19.720 --> 01:21:23.680 gives you the end there's a there's definitely a message that they're trying to wrap 1165 01:21:23.760 --> 01:21:27.920 around this film about the safety of these super tall buildings that were starting to 1166 01:21:27.960 --> 01:21:30.239 get built. It was almost like we were in like a skyscraper arms race 1167 01:21:30.319 --> 01:21:34.479 in the seventies, and people were concerned about the ramifications, you know, 1168 01:21:34.560 --> 01:21:38.600 of the of the engineering and stuff like that. And you know, obviously, 1169 01:21:38.800 --> 01:21:41.600 now, first and first and foremost they're making a disaster movie, but 1170 01:21:41.680 --> 01:21:45.720 they also you get the kind of social message that came with it. We 1171 01:21:45.000 --> 01:21:48.600 certainly they're playing with with with what scares people the most. Now, you 1172 01:21:48.680 --> 01:21:54.399 know, the pandemic movies and zombie movies, and you know what we just 1173 01:21:54.479 --> 01:21:58.119 lived here for the last ninety yard, you know, a thirteen or fifteen 1174 01:21:58.199 --> 01:22:00.520 months. You know, it was literally like a zombie movie when when this 1175 01:22:00.680 --> 01:22:03.960 first, you know, everything was locked down just you know, you'd see 1176 01:22:03.960 --> 01:22:08.119 a few people running around, but it was yeah, and you know what's 1177 01:22:08.119 --> 01:22:11.239 funny, there was another scene in movie this movie they really stood out, 1178 01:22:11.359 --> 01:22:15.960 is really scary, and it's when that group of people, you know, 1179 01:22:15.279 --> 01:22:18.920 everyone's freaking out in panic and they they say, don't use the elevators, 1180 01:22:19.079 --> 01:22:23.840 but then the elevator's doors open and everyone panics and gets on them, and 1181 01:22:23.920 --> 01:22:26.199 then the doors shot and they can't stop it. And then the next thing 1182 01:22:26.239 --> 01:22:28.680 you know, the doors open and they are on a different floor and they 1183 01:22:28.680 --> 01:22:30.800 all get burned up. But that was it was like it was like Dawn 1184 01:22:30.840 --> 01:22:33.000 of the Dead. You know, when you're on an elevator, it's like 1185 01:22:33.039 --> 01:22:35.920 your worst fear, what's what's going to happen when you open it? And 1186 01:22:36.079 --> 01:22:39.840 Dawn and the Dead. There was just a pile of zombies, right there's 1187 01:22:39.920 --> 01:22:43.159 the doors open. There's like and that's that's just what this was too. 1188 01:22:43.279 --> 01:22:45.720 It's a it's another one of those irrational it's not irrational, it's just a 1189 01:22:45.840 --> 01:22:48.760 fear that you know what's going to happen when you open up that door, 1190 01:22:48.840 --> 01:22:53.800 it could go very wrong, right uh, And they played on that for 1191 01:22:53.960 --> 01:22:58.239 sure, But yeah, they they I guess there was also an issue with 1192 01:22:58.319 --> 01:23:02.640 this movie because the um, I don't know, the Builders Association, whoever 1193 01:23:02.680 --> 01:23:08.199 they are, were pissed because they were not it wasn't an accurate portrayal of 1194 01:23:08.319 --> 01:23:13.840 how things are really built, of course, right so, but but nobody's 1195 01:23:13.840 --> 01:23:15.239 not going up in those buildings, you know, and not having a problem 1196 01:23:15.319 --> 01:23:17.560 renting them out. Do you ever go up to the top of the Serious 1197 01:23:17.600 --> 01:23:21.399 Tower. I've never even been to Chicago except through the airport, so no, 1198 01:23:23.079 --> 01:23:27.600 oh, that's such a great town. It really is. An architecturally, 1199 01:23:27.760 --> 01:23:30.600 I'm not a nerd about architecture. I mean, I don't, I'm 1200 01:23:30.640 --> 01:23:33.880 not. It doesn't bother me. I like distinctive buildings like the Transamerica Tower 1201 01:23:33.960 --> 01:23:36.880 in San Francisco. I love that because it's a triangle. Well, um, 1202 01:23:38.199 --> 01:23:43.680 Chicago has a really distinctive, amazing office buildings, and the Serious Tower 1203 01:23:44.039 --> 01:23:47.399 is I went up to the top of it once, I think, and 1204 01:23:47.520 --> 01:23:49.720 it was on one of those days that you got to the top of so 1205 01:23:49.880 --> 01:23:54.840 cloudy you can even see out, but they have they're trying to make these 1206 01:23:54.960 --> 01:24:00.600 things more desirable for tourists to go to them, because people who need more 1207 01:24:00.600 --> 01:24:02.479 and more thrills. So they're doing that thing. Like in the John Hancock 1208 01:24:02.520 --> 01:24:05.560 building, they did it's called tilt where you're at the top and they you 1209 01:24:05.640 --> 01:24:09.640 get on this bar and you go I did that. I scared to death 1210 01:24:09.680 --> 01:24:12.439 of hikes, but but I did do that, and it was I'm glad 1211 01:24:12.479 --> 01:24:15.279 I did it. But the Serious Tower has a glass they built out like 1212 01:24:15.439 --> 01:24:20.199 a you know, I don't know, maybe ten foot extension and it's glass 1213 01:24:20.279 --> 01:24:23.920 floor. So you see on of those and you're looking straight down. And 1214 01:24:24.039 --> 01:24:26.000 this is a couple of years ago. I think there's even video with this. 1215 01:24:26.079 --> 01:24:28.600 It cracked while these people were on it. You know, it just 1216 01:24:28.720 --> 01:24:30.840 like shattered. Now, I mean they it was. It was you know, 1217 01:24:30.880 --> 01:24:33.279 it was protective, protective, protected fifty times. But you're still on 1218 01:24:33.439 --> 01:24:36.439 it and it shatters and you're like, oh my god, that would just 1219 01:24:36.640 --> 01:24:41.000 that would just I'd lose it. And that's another rabbit hole I go down 1220 01:24:41.039 --> 01:24:44.239 when I'm on YouTube. There's that one bridge that they had it it was 1221 01:24:44.319 --> 01:24:46.800 like a glass bridge and they had it set up so it did fake cracks 1222 01:24:46.880 --> 01:24:51.399 like it was. It was broad you know shows. Oh my god, 1223 01:24:51.600 --> 01:24:55.239 I could watch those all night. I love that. I will confess that 1224 01:24:55.359 --> 01:24:59.000 I did um the US Bank Tower in downtown La, the one that they 1225 01:24:59.079 --> 01:25:02.479 blow up an independent stay. Yeah, they have a glass slide. Yeah, 1226 01:25:02.479 --> 01:25:05.720 the past a couple of years I did go and do that, uh 1227 01:25:05.960 --> 01:25:10.279 with with our our mutual friend Kelly. I got I was not down to 1228 01:25:10.399 --> 01:25:12.720 do it. And then as soon you had to buy a ticket to get 1229 01:25:12.800 --> 01:25:15.760 up there, and so I had to take it just to go up and 1230 01:25:15.840 --> 01:25:17.359 I was going to watch them go, and then as soon as I saw 1231 01:25:17.399 --> 01:25:19.119 it, I was like, I'm doing it. And I was the first 1232 01:25:19.199 --> 01:25:21.520 one in the group to go down. It was awesome, but it was 1233 01:25:21.600 --> 01:25:25.479 you know, you slide down it really fast. It's over super quick, 1234 01:25:25.840 --> 01:25:28.560 you know what I mean. It's like second. It's like a three second 1235 01:25:28.600 --> 01:25:30.439 thrill as you flush slide down it and then you're you're over. But to 1236 01:25:30.680 --> 01:25:34.720 actually stand on a glass floor and look down and dwell on it, no, 1237 01:25:34.920 --> 01:25:38.479 I'm not that's a little much. I'm not. I'm not down. 1238 01:25:38.800 --> 01:25:42.159 Yeah, it was it was that the tilt thing I did. I was 1239 01:25:42.199 --> 01:25:44.199 glad I did it, and I don't I believe I did it, but 1240 01:25:44.279 --> 01:25:45.640 I did, and I'm glad I did it, but I couldn't do it. 1241 01:25:46.199 --> 01:25:49.319 Um, yeah, it was. It was weird. It was really 1242 01:25:49.359 --> 01:25:54.479 weird. But you know, I guess somebody said if I do, if 1243 01:25:54.520 --> 01:25:58.079 I go parachuting once, that I'll get over my fear of heights, because 1244 01:25:58.079 --> 01:26:00.199 I have that. There's a term for it. I just heard the other 1245 01:26:00.279 --> 01:26:00.880 day. I can't remember what it is. When you get to the top 1246 01:26:00.960 --> 01:26:03.560 of a building, you get the urge to jump. I get that a 1247 01:26:03.640 --> 01:26:06.840 lot. Like my stomach flips and I've just like I feel like I want 1248 01:26:06.880 --> 01:26:10.560 to go. And that's why I'm like usually on my hands and knees on 1249 01:26:10.640 --> 01:26:13.520 a roof because I can't if I get too close. I get the urge 1250 01:26:13.560 --> 01:26:15.079 to jump. Now, it's not a desire to jump, it's just like 1251 01:26:15.199 --> 01:26:19.920 it's like a magnetic power that it has to do that. And uh and 1252 01:26:20.239 --> 01:26:25.000 it really I get that a lot with those you know, with those p 1253 01:26:25.159 --> 01:26:28.800 o V videos on YouTube where people are jumping around on buildings and stuff like 1254 01:26:28.880 --> 01:26:31.199 that. Do you ever watch those those kids up in like the Ukraine who 1255 01:26:31.239 --> 01:26:35.760 have nothing, nothing to lose, so they're jumping around on these twisting up 1256 01:26:35.760 --> 01:26:39.880 and down on their bikes and stuff. And I watched those and it's like, 1257 01:26:40.000 --> 01:26:43.640 oh, man, I just yeah, it's it's it's something. But 1258 01:26:44.000 --> 01:26:48.359 you know, those people die doing fairly regularly too. It's crazy and you 1259 01:26:48.479 --> 01:26:53.479 can't really go, yeah, those poor people, well no, because you 1260 01:26:53.640 --> 01:26:58.520 really they don't call them, you know, the daredevils for nothing, you 1261 01:26:58.640 --> 01:27:02.600 know. But so the movie, I guess they exploit, you know, 1262 01:27:02.680 --> 01:27:06.479 this horrible thing that happened is disaster and all these people die. But what 1263 01:27:06.600 --> 01:27:10.960 I really like is there was a message that that was that was on the 1264 01:27:11.079 --> 01:27:15.000 screen, and it was a dedication which I loved, and it said it 1265 01:27:15.119 --> 01:27:17.319 said to those who give their lives so that others might live, to the 1266 01:27:17.399 --> 01:27:21.520 firefighters of the world, this picture is gratefully dedicated, and that that was 1267 01:27:21.640 --> 01:27:26.359 really you know, I hope it wasn't cartuitous. I thought it was quite 1268 01:27:26.560 --> 01:27:28.640 I thought it was you know, I hope it wasn't something, oh, 1269 01:27:28.680 --> 01:27:31.800 we gotta do that. But it was just nice because because they're again people 1270 01:27:31.840 --> 01:27:35.840 that don't you know, the people that don't don't get the nods that they 1271 01:27:35.960 --> 01:27:41.079 deserve. And although it's a fictional movie. And and silly. Could you 1272 01:27:41.159 --> 01:27:44.920 imagine though a fire on like the eightieth floor and being on the gun it's 1273 01:27:45.039 --> 01:27:46.479 just like the World Trade Center to me, you know it just it's that 1274 01:27:46.640 --> 01:27:50.119 same thing. What do you do with that? And they show these guys, 1275 01:27:50.319 --> 01:27:53.600 you know, on the eightieth floor having a walk to one hundred and 1276 01:27:53.680 --> 01:27:56.680 thirty fifth floor to that, you know, and you could see them they're 1277 01:27:56.720 --> 01:28:00.239 like dying. And that's that's what those poor guys in New York did, 1278 01:28:00.439 --> 01:28:02.960 you know? And and oh just just oh, I couldn't believe it. 1279 01:28:03.039 --> 01:28:06.439 The stamina that they have to have, let alone, you know, the 1280 01:28:06.560 --> 01:28:10.600 skills that they have to have in the bravery. It's well, God bless 1281 01:28:10.720 --> 01:28:15.119 them, man, God bless him. Yeah, and that is it. 1282 01:28:15.960 --> 01:28:20.720 The Towering Inferto has been done again. Sorry we spoiled a you know, 1283 01:28:20.920 --> 01:28:26.560 forty five year old movie or whatever it is, forty seven year old movie. 1284 01:28:27.000 --> 01:28:29.760 Um, but go watch it anyways because it's I think you like to 1285 01:28:29.880 --> 01:28:32.800 your point at the beginning, it still holds up really well and is a 1286 01:28:32.960 --> 01:28:38.600 fun little time capsule. It's a good special effect. It's a silly yeah 1287 01:28:38.720 --> 01:28:41.640 it is. It's it's the acting. Yeah, it's just yeah, it's 1288 01:28:41.680 --> 01:28:44.960 a time capsule. The special effects are the star of this movie. I 1289 01:28:45.079 --> 01:28:48.560 think, I really do. Uh yeah, McQueen and and and Numa were 1290 01:28:48.640 --> 01:28:51.720 good, they were really good in it. But I thought the special effects 1291 01:28:51.760 --> 01:28:56.760 by far were the star of this movie. All right, everybody, well, 1292 01:28:56.800 --> 01:29:00.399 thank you very much. This is always fun to do. And if 1293 01:29:00.479 --> 01:29:05.920 you are we just recorded another Patreon episode for our Patreon subscribers. So if 1294 01:29:05.960 --> 01:29:12.479 you go to Patreon and look up Dearly Departed Podcast, we do extra like 1295 01:29:12.640 --> 01:29:16.439 small shorter episodes that we post there every month, and um we also give 1296 01:29:17.000 --> 01:29:21.359 people there a day or two, um sneak peek look at these this new 1297 01:29:21.399 --> 01:29:24.920 episode like this one that we just did. Um, so they'll get it 1298 01:29:24.960 --> 01:29:28.119 a day or two ahead of time. And you can join for as little 1299 01:29:28.159 --> 01:29:31.640 as two dollars a month. 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