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Special Operations, Cobert As Espionage,
the Team House with your hopes, Jack

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Murphy and David Bark, Here we
are twenty twenty three Year in Review episode.

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Is this the bullshit throwaway episode at
the very end of the year where

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we're just filling space because we don't
want to be here on actual New Year's

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That's what it definitely yeah, yeah, but however, but if you're joining

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us for this episode, it's the
most important episode of the year, it

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kind of I would say. The
thing about this is we do a lot

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of episodes and probably some of them
get lost in the mix, and so

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if you're wondering, or maybe you
just found this channel, we can give

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you a quick overview of who was
on the show this year and you can

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figure out which sound the most interesting
to you. That's my pitch. That's

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the best I got. I'm there
with you, there for it. I'm

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there for it. I mean with
my TV ies. I'm lucky that I

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remember the episode we did two weeks
ago. So fortunately for you all,

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Jack leads these discussions, well yeah, with three pages of notes because I

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couldn't remember all this either. So
a few channel statistics to start off with,

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guys, in twenty four, I
promise you I'm gonna figure out how

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to get Jack away ahead. Great. So some this is a YouTube statistics.

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There's other podcast statistics that actually I
didn't even look at. Maybe maybe

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you did. D Well, pull
them up if you want sometime during the

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show and we uncover them at the
end. So on YouTube, we had

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eighteen million views, sixty one thousand
new subscribers, and we did a total

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of sixty eight episodes. Our top
episode in top live stream was our interview

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with Gary Harrington and our top short
was Mike Edwards. So this was like

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a good year, man, this
is a good year of growth. Like

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I remember, I think the last
last time we did this, we're talking

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about the goal was to make one
hundred thousand. I think we're at fifty.

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Yeah. Last year we were like
our goals to make one hundred thousand,

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and we're at like almost one hundred
and twenty five right now. Yeah,

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so we overshot. Good problem to
have, yeah, yeah, overachievers,

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you know, you know how we
roll. And so we're looking at

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spreaker here. D The one annoying
part is this is our audio stats.

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But our audio stats are split because
we changed through right. Yeah, so

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okay, so it's not giving you
a yearly total. It's not going to

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give us a yearly total. Give
us the last ninety days, gotcha.

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But wow, it just in the
last month eighty eight thousand downloads and over

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a million impressions over the last thirty
days. Yeah, not bad, not

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bad? Is that three million dollars? Yes it is. No, Yeah,

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you're getting the baby giraffe. Yeah, finally. And the know any

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thing about Speaker is you have to
go to eat No one can see this

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because it's like it shows how much
money with me, but you have to

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go to a single show like so
you know you hit one specific when it

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gives you the downloads. I think
the biggest downloaded one we have audio wise

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is Gary Harrington. It's like in
the thirty thousands, and what do you

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think the split is the between YouTube
and the podcast, Between the stream and

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the podcast. I would say on
average it's probably close to uh now,

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I would say it's probably sixty on
average sixty forty video views to listens.

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But on YouTube we have the opportunity
like first show like Gary Harrington's that's got

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like nine hundred thousand views, a
show like that'll probably do like thirty,

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like I said, thirty thousand listens, which is like double what we normally

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we get around fifteen thousand listens on
average per show. That's awesome. Yeah.

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YouTube is the place where, like
we have the opportunity for a show

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to really take off and like gain
some grunt like gain some like legs.

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Is that because of the algorithm they'll
throw our should you might also like I

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think so, I think it's partly
that, and I think it's just people

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who listen to podcasts, they don't
really get those kinds of suggestions, right,

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Like they don't have like an algorithm
like that. They might get some

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suggestions depending on the platform, but
it's not the same. Like YouTube just

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wants you to continue to watch shows, watch videos no matter what, so

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they'll try and feed it right.
Yeah, But audio wise, I think

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audio is like you're an audio listener, you consume your podcast via Spotify or

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ipe Apple podcasts, and the YouTube
stuff is a little different. I mean,

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I'm sure because I watch I listen
to pods and I do watch some

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pods too, so mixed. Yeah, So I think I would say on

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average, an average show, a
show that does around thirty five thousand views

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and listens. It'll be about sixty
forty views the audio. That's awesome,

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man. I mean I don't know
how you guys feel, but I think

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this has been like a really good
year for the show totally like came into

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its own and like now we're a
mid sized podcast. Yeah totally. We're

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not Joe Rogan, but we are
a mid sized podcast. We're out there.

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We're out and about a mid sized
podcast with small size sound. Yeah

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exactly. Yeah, we're still trying
to figure out the sound. I think

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we're there. I think we've gotten
there. And I'll take this moment to

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also just thank all the people who
support the channel, especially the people who

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support us on Patreon and all the
those who do. They get ad free

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episodes plus some bonus episodes also,
and I mean that's what enabled all of

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this really and this year, like
I think we finished everything we ever wanted

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to do with the studio pretty much. Yeah, now it's time to move

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a few. Yeah exactly. You
know they started. I heard, I

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heard they were kicking. I was
texting Jack last last episode freaking out about

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it. But I mean, this, this place is this place is awesome

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I'm really happy with how it came
out. We uh we updated our TriCaster,

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got a new TriCaster this year,
which for those who aren't like super

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tech guys, it's like it's a
computer. Yeah exactly, like like me,

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uh, that's the computer that is
basically the brains of the whole live

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stream, Like all the audio,
all the video goes into that and de

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produces the show live in the software, the TriCaster new tech software. So

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yeah, so if you see like
you're seeing me not switch through the the

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camera angles, that's me doing.
So some of you guys start yelling at

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us, like why don't you just
record the ad reads later and then insert

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them? And it's like it's a
live show, and like, oh so

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you mean all those things that pop
up on screen and the intro and the

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camera cuts, that's all just done
live. Yes, yeah, yes it

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is. That's why sometimes it's fucked
up. Yeah yeah, no exactly it

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is. Yeah, fuck it,
we'll do it live. So I love

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it live. I really do prefer
it live. Yeah. No, me

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too. I couldn't imagine going back
going the other way. I don't know,

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what do you think, Dave?
As far as like other things,

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like before we get into like a
blow by blow episode review, like things

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that went down in twenty twenty three, happy with ambivalent about yeah, happy

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and ambivalent. No. No,
I mean the studio really came together.

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And again it's unfortunate because we do
have some challenges with our neighbors in this

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yeo, there there's no way we
could have foreseen. There's just there's just

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in the future we will ask.
We'll ask future landlords if there is a

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church upstairs, a church upstairs,
upstairs services. It was funny to you

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last week. Uh so I was
texting with the neighbors upstairs and she sends

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me the flyer for their service,
and I sent it to Jack, like,

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check out this flyer. You want
to go to the next one because

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they started at ten o'clock. So, I mean, they do push it

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for us. I gotta give them
some credit. But like sometimes they do

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like a sound check or whatever.
So like throughout the episode last week with

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Mark, I was hearing them upstairs, like, oh my god, they're

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gonna start fucking rocking soon. I
think we should all do mushrooms and roll

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up there one day, Yeah,
and just enter the service. Yeah,

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I mean, it's it sounds like
a fun service. It does sound like

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they're having fun. It sounds yeah, because it is. It is like

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an African Christian church. So they
are just rocking like you know this Africa

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music. It sounds so good.
But the drums, you know, the

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speakers, everything is on the floor, so it all just vibrates down through

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you know. I mean, honestly, we should buy them like rubber pads

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to put under all their ship or
like a new place to do this.

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This is like one of one of
the big cultural differences is like black people

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have fun at church unlike us.
Yeah, we're like repressed fucking church.

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Yeah, yeah, white people.
I got some luve on Twitter about like

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the fucking what I was saying during
Mark's episode about like the church upstairs,

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Like I was freaking out about it, and I was like talking about the

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Greek Orthodox Church, which I can
do because I was born and raised Greek

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Orthodox, because I guess marked a
speech for them in Chicago, and I

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was like saying how they like embezel
money and stuff like that, which they

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fucking do. It's not a it's
not a joke. It was hilarious,

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and you got you got heat on
Twitter somebody like that was funny. Oh

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yeah, yeah, it was funny. Though these are funny, dude,

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you they should have a few shows
of his own. I can't handle that.

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I can't handle the pressure. All
right, I could do it,

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so uh develop any for the thoughts
will come back. We'll revisit at the

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end. Jumping into the episodes we
started the new year. We started twenty

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twenty three with episode Pat McNamara.
That was That was a good one.

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Yeah, that was a really good, great episode. Pat's a great guy.

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I had never met him before the
show. I mean I had heard

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that he was a great dude,
but yeah, really great to do.

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A great story too. You know, he had the best origin story we've

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ever heard, I think on the
show about how his older brother was kind

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of a pun Oh that's right.
Yeah, Pat like took martial arts,

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was like in the gym lifting weights
and came back and whooped it. Yeah.

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Yeah. It was like a like
a Rocky montage. Yeah yeah,

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that's awesome. Yeah. But also, you know, like his post service

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life and that dip he had,
you know, the feeling like divorce and

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everything and and you know, and
then it's come back from that. I

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think you know, I really like
those types, not those types of stories,

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but I really appreciate when people who
have suffered something like that and come

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back from and are able to talk
about it, because it shows that even

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for a machine, you know,
somebody like Pat mac who you know,

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you think of it this this next
higher level how you know, humanity hits

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us all. You know, life
comes at Yeah, life comes at you.

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Yeah. Pat was somebody who people
had requested we have on for a

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long time, and yeah, I
don't see. Pat's done quite a few

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interviews, but I don't remember too
many. Were like he really told this

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whole story like that, you know, it was awesome. I really liked

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it. The one crazy part I
remember specifically was he uh he was doing

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a static line jump and she got
caught. Yeah, like that was fucking

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gnarly. Yeah, he has a
he has a free fall story too that

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he told me once. So that
was pretty wild. We'll get him and

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get him to tell that another time. Uh. So episode Ken de Cleva,

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who was a State Department and CIA
psychologist. Uh that was a cool

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episode too. Was that was a
year ago? Yeah? Man, Yeah,

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that was like a whole interesting perspective
of like working in Moscow and who

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was taking SYSTEMA courses. Yeah,
fighting with like g r U guys and

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stuff fighting like martial arts, you
know training. Uh. That was That

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because we didn't even play like the
music or the audio from that is,

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whether it was a History Channel or
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that Larry was like that he was
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Alex. With Alex's personality, he
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of lumber and it would be fun
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my life. Yeah, a person
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this is an RPG thing? Have
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talking about like the history of D
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sidebar, the history of synthesizers,
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that. I don't know why you're
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I hope you'll keep going with.
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lawyer and uh Mark, yeah,
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people in Gitmo. And I didn't
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the people in Gitmo. Yeah.
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seven pilot. He was really good. One was a little off beat for

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Us, Chad Michael Collins voice Actor, Extraordinar voice actor and Call of Duty

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Sniper marathon, I think absolutely.
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It can't be good movie. I
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it's gotta be. You gotta like
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you'll come away from it like with
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Shindler's List and you walk away like, oh fuck man. It's like it's

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like wanted. Right, nobody can
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bullets, but that you believe in
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die Hard, Right, you know
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gritty realism, you know from the
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said he wanted to do another show
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you have to come in studio.
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with my friend George, So like
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tell him to hook us up with
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that we can also supposed my friend
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Hollywood shit. He said that they're
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for the next twenty years. Bro, Chad has fucking hooked it up.

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I know why that is. It's
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whatever, the deal was, like
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on Netflix for like weeks and that's
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like another level. That's why they're
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he'll mind me saying this. He's
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book. He's writing the sequel to
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pretty high. Was Dave Madden Navy
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through the cracks because we're se haters. Yeah, but Dave. Dave was

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was doing village stability operations in Afghanistan. Yeah, Dave's a great guy.

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He's doing good stuff out there.
He had a really good description of a

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first firefight and what it's like for
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and how fucking insane it is.
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with that cider too. Yeah.
Posterity uh episode one nine six was Vivek

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Jacob, who served in nine para
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a good episode, like something like
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helped him make sense of his life. And we have people commenting all the

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time like, oh, you need
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officer, this officer, this guy. And then I'm like, I'm open

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to it if you if you guys
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excited to have foreign special ops guys
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mean keep the recommendations coming. One
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that went like pretty viral for us
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episode, on like a long form
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was he was great, I mean
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him to come back again pilot.
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that was great. He was awesome. Yeah, episode two hundred,

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where do we even begin with that
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are my least favorite episode. Don't
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if you want to know what it's
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in the content that's going on that
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cuts off at twelve hours. That's
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version. So what you need to
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which we're never going to do it
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like you have to stop the stream
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for another twelve hours. That's that's
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now we know how to get to
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they did a twenty four hour stream. And that's how I figured it

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out because they were tweet about it
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for like two minutes. Yeah,
and they were like we have to stop

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the stream to redo it because like
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we won't do another. Are some
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at the twelve hour point. I
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barstool. Yeah. PMT is huge
podcast. I get like a million a

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million downloads of episodes. It's also
one of those things we're doing a ridiculous

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stream like that people can like check
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Yeah, twelve hours later, why
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is when you build all your national
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on YouTube, So you're good.
I have no idea what you're talking about.

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twenty twenty four, but we're not
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do like a D and D game
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four or five hours, five hours
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one was Dustin ward Ranger. Yeah, he had some bowler stories out there,

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some firefights in Afghanistan. We'd love
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Dustin's Light sleeper. Yes, light
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out. Lightsleeper dot com. Episode
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was a sf McFee sag CIA officer. He has some great stories about Central

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America too. Yeah. Two of
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zero Block thirty. She was here
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booze it up because she usually gets
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show all the time called the Yak
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up on the shows. It's like
one pm two during the week and they

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u sometimes like they do a case
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beer first wins and it's like a
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gets fucked up. Anybody who anybody
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it's like a disaster. They also
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it with face paint. That's funny. Two O four Roger Locksheeter, who

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is a. He's a crew chief. Fine Hughey's with Magnee SAG. Episode

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two O five was the four hour
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It was an awesome show. And
Chris of all the way up from

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the DC area and then drove back
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hardcore. Yeah, and we were
we were like trying to keep the show

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short for him and because we knew
he had to drive back and he just

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powered through. Yeah. Yeah,
we gave him the option at about two

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hours k we could stop here and
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really great insight. Yeah. Episode

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two O seven David Walton served with
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to get ready to get prepared for
the s fas doctor Dave. Yeah,

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he was great. Yeah. Two
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whole like streaming nature of the show, Like, there's some things we can

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control. One of them is not
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asked Dale to come back which we'll
hit up in a minute. Don Bentley

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two nine is author a Panty Pilot
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of Red Wings, Ed Derek was
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Episode to ten. Two eleven was
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a chief master chief, right he
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no, yea master chief. Yeah. Yeah. Nelson Miller was awesome.

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Yeah, it was great. He
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To twelve is Ward Carol. Ward
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it called the like the Ward Carrol
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think it's just called War Carroll.
Yeah, and he does he does aviation

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stuff, so go check word out. He also hit I think he just

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hit five hundred thousand subscribers. Damn. Yeah, he's doing good. Yeah,

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good for him. Man. I
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way back when, and it's cool
to see. I mean both of us

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have kind of like gone off and
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both on YouTube, so we're not
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same thing. Two thirteen was Michelle
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00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:19.799
a trench coat, trench code advisors. Yeah, French code advisor with Holden

408
00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:23.559
triplet holding. Yeah. Michelle was
really cool. She was awesome and she

409
00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:32.640
was an intelligence officer and first yeah
uh and then no relation. But episode

410
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:37.759
two fourteen was Mike Taylor. So
Mike was a Special Forces veteran. He

411
00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:42.319
uh became world renowned when he allegedly
smuggled Carlos going out of well, I

412
00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:45.599
don't think we have to say allegedly
anymore. He said he did, and

413
00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:48.119
Japan threw him in jail for it. So I think I think we're okay

414
00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:51.839
with Yeah, I think the cats
out of the back. Yeah, he's

415
00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:56.559
okay if he smuggles out Carlos going
again. Yeah uh. And that was

416
00:30:56.599 --> 00:31:00.160
a really interesting episode for you know, one because of his stories, but

417
00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:08.039
to you know, learning about our
own justice system that, to everybody's surprise,

418
00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:12.680
I'm sure doesn't even follow its own
rules sometimes because they sent him,

419
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:18.680
they extradited him to a country that
did not meet US standards for imprisonment,

420
00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:22.160
and they're not supposed to do that. I don't know if there's I mean

421
00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:25.920
there, if there isn't a law, there should be a law. But

422
00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:30.680
we have an extradition treaty with Japan. But that's the problem. And just

423
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:36.160
this week they released that it was
a naval officer who's being held. He

424
00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:41.440
was in prison in Japan and this
guy he went hypoxic at the wheel and

425
00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:48.079
tragically killed two people and they put
him in prison for three years, and

426
00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:52.160
the Biden administration, I guess requested
put pressure. I don't know what the

427
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:55.119
backroom dealing is. Yeah, but
they just released him this week. Yeah,

428
00:31:55.240 --> 00:31:57.839
sent them home. Now. It's
interesting. It's with with Mike Taylor.

429
00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:05.599
It's very interesting because allegedly, you
know, like what he said is

430
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:09.279
that he technically didn't even break any
laws in Japan is they were butt her

431
00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:14.240
and so we went to jail for
he embarrassed, he went, Yeah,

432
00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:16.839
it's a it's a shame. Imagine
living in a country where you can go

433
00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:22.480
to jail because the country feels but
her. They can arrest you over and

434
00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:28.000
over and over again, and they
can hold you like indefinitely basically without charging

435
00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:31.240
the crime. They can give a
subject to to sleep deprivation, pull you

436
00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:35.599
out of your cell day and night
to be interrogated by prosecutors. Yeah,

437
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:38.759
like, yeah, it doesn't meet
like an American standard for sure, and

438
00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:45.920
that was always my problem with his
extradition. Two fifteen Andy Milburn here in

439
00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:49.319
studio. Good old Andy. We
love Andy. Probably what is third or

440
00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:52.279
fourth appearance on the show. Yeah, this one might have been his third,

441
00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:59.279
all right. I hope we can
get Andy back one of these days

442
00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:00.759
when it's come through. He's great. I think we'll be able to get

443
00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:07.799
it back. Yeah. To sixteen
Justin Sapp and Toby Hornden. So Justin

444
00:33:08.119 --> 00:33:14.079
was the first Green Beret in Afghanistan
with Team Alpha, the CIA's Team Alpha,

445
00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:19.759
and Toby Hornden wrote the book which
is called First First Casualty, Thank

446
00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:23.200
You, and so we had them
both here in studio. Both great guys.

447
00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:28.400
We've had both of them on previously. So if you haven't read First

448
00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:32.039
Casualty, you know, I definitely
suggest picking it up. To seventeen was

449
00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:40.279
Philippe Peters RRC, the Regimental Reconnaissance
Company. And Philippe he's another like fascinating,

450
00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:44.160
interesting guy, like his whole life
story of he was a Mennonite,

451
00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:49.519
right yeah, and born in Mexico, not speaking Spanish, speaking their language

452
00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:52.400
there, it's like a I guess
it's a derivative of Dutch. I didn't

453
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:55.839
even know that, that's fucking yeah
on the show. Yeah, I forgot

454
00:33:55.839 --> 00:33:58.799
that. Yeah, I know he's
a menya night. I don't know.

455
00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:02.720
That was like one of their party
tricks. Yeah. And uh and then

456
00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:06.920
he you know, of course,
immigrated to the United States and joined the

457
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:12.039
Ranger Regiment and had a wild and
interesting career. Yeah. And yeah it's

458
00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:15.039
a cool dude, Yeah, super
cool. Uh. And then there were

459
00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:19.639
a couple here I missed. This
was when I was on vacation in Iceland.

460
00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:23.000
So you guys tell me to eighteen
with Steve Forty, which, yeah,

461
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:27.480
thing is the most views. Yeah, like I take off and the

462
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:30.760
ones that you're you guys, go
and you're doing, just find it out.

463
00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:32.920
Besides that Gary Harrington and I'll give
you that one, yeah, because

464
00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:37.280
I wasn't here for that. Oh
that's right. Yeah. Yeah, Steve

465
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:42.519
was fantastic. It was a nice
guy. Yeah, special Force. But

466
00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:49.800
then also you know, talked about
talked about resilience, talked a lot about

467
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:55.320
resilience and you know, strategies for
postumatic stress, strategies for maintaining resilience soldiers.

468
00:34:57.000 --> 00:35:00.760
Fantastic, like, great episode.
And he's a Chief Wellness Officer of

469
00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:05.639
this hospital for special surgery. Good
for him. Yeah, that's great.

470
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:10.400
Uh. Nineteen was Mark palam Moreopolos
and the guest guest host was Andy Milburn

471
00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:14.400
for these Yeah that's right. Yeah, he was staying in my voice.

472
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:22.480
Yeah, uh, Mark, who
I just want you to know that.

473
00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:24.039
Oh yeah, he's got a beef
with you. He's got a beef with

474
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:29.199
you. He's like, why is
Jack avoiding me? Yeah? Two episodes

475
00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:30.880
in a row and you haven't been
on the show. It's it's the other

476
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:34.679
way around. It's like I can't
come on the show. So I tell

477
00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:36.519
you, guys, it's on you. You figure out what you want to

478
00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:37.719
do for the show, and you're
like, oh, I don't know what

479
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:40.760
to do. I'm just gonna call
Mark. Yeah. Mark's always welcome.

480
00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:45.920
Don't get me wrong, I'm not
I'm not trying to skip out and Mark,

481
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:49.960
No, you that's not how we're
booth three months out. You're not

482
00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:53.519
like we're not on those ones.
This last one with Mark, we booked

483
00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:57.920
him like three weeks ago because somebody
dropped out. Yeah, but I think

484
00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:00.239
this one during the summer, I
was not here. I was on vacation.

485
00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:04.039
You weren't. Yeah, but you
didn't just go. I think we

486
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:07.239
have figure it out. We call
Mark because you like, he was already

487
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:10.519
scheduled. I had my vacation scheduled
like six months in advance. No,

488
00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:13.679
no, I think we had Mark's
schedule for like at least a couple of

489
00:36:13.719 --> 00:36:16.840
months in advance. Steve Forty was
a guy who popped in for us,

490
00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:21.960
because right, Steve was the last
minute focus somebody. But Steve was somebody

491
00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:28.199
who was on our He was on
our radar because of the book. Well,

492
00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:30.599
I was talking to Steve about maybe
booking him. I think at that

493
00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:32.280
point we needed a book for like
September October, so I was looking to

494
00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:37.719
book him. Then the big table, big coffee book. Oh yeah,

495
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:40.880
it's that one. Yes, twenty
years war. Well, yeah, that's

496
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:44.960
Blakely. Yeah, we'll get to
him in a minute. But yeah,

497
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:46.039
no, I don't care about Mark, but I am. I am.

498
00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:50.519
You don't care about Mark, markiners, you don't care about I am sorry

499
00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:53.239
that I am sorry. I missed
out on episode two twenty though, when

500
00:36:53.599 --> 00:36:58.280
we flew Dale Hanson down from Alaska. Yeah, that was good. I

501
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:01.679
am sorry I missed that one.
Well, how to go? I feel

502
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:06.760
bad for Steven Mark now because Jack
doesn't feel bad about missing them. No,

503
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:08.000
I feel bad that I miss Steve, I said, I don't care

504
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:12.920
about missing Mark. I mean we
got we grabbed lunch with Mark too,

505
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:15.440
like a month ago, two months
ago, we did the Greek Restaurant.

506
00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:19.400
No. Dale was fantastic. It
was a great show. I'm trying to

507
00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:22.760
remember. Uh do you remember some
of the highlights of that. I mean

508
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:25.400
it's long, it's like three hours
and twenty minutes. So he goes through

509
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:28.800
a lot of his ship like it's
pretty crazy, Like you know, he

510
00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:32.719
talks about how he lost his fingers
and stuff like that. I did read

511
00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:37.320
his book pretty his memoir is Born
twice. Okay, that's right, Born

512
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:39.599
twice. Yep. Yeah, ye, And I'm glad like that. Like

513
00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:44.159
the McFee sag Ones do pretty good
numbers wise, like that one has over

514
00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:46.159
four hundred and thirty thousand views.
Oh and speaking of which, I'll give

515
00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:52.519
him a shout out on here.
Bud Gibson runs a podcast. I think

516
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:54.639
it's called the Recon Podcast or something
like that. I think so. And

517
00:37:54.679 --> 00:38:00.519
he's a young young guy and he's
like super into you know, the same

518
00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:02.599
thing we do. Really trying to
like interview these mac v Sad guys and

519
00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:06.960
get their stories and get their history, and he's done an incredible job.

520
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:10.440
And in order for you know,
that legacy to continue to live, it's

521
00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:14.719
really important that like younger people younger
than me and you you know, for

522
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:17.039
sure kind of like get passionate about
it. Yeah, you know. So

523
00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:22.760
I'll be doing Bud's podcasts next month. I don't know what he wants to

524
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:27.159
talk about with me. I was
not quite that old to be mac VI

525
00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:30.000
Sad. But maybe he thinks you
are could be. It could be the

526
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:32.039
great I mean, you're a boomer, could be. But no, go

527
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:38.199
check his podcast out. He's doing
really good stuff. I two twenty one

528
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:44.880
Mark Graney, we had him in
studio. You know, ironically, I

529
00:38:44.920 --> 00:38:49.199
had been like trying to get Mark
for years and Mark was like more elusive

530
00:38:49.719 --> 00:38:53.719
than like these super spooky CIA people
that I'm trying to like, you know,

531
00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:57.719
find them, and then I finally
get a hold of them, and

532
00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:00.559
it takes me like time to convince
them to like maybe this is going to

533
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:04.239
be a cool thing. Mark was
so hard to get it to nail down.

534
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:07.079
And I had like friends of Mark, I had like other authors.

535
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:09.239
I'm like, oh, you're at
this writer's convention, go to Mark Raney

536
00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:14.800
and tell him that Jack Murphy's tired
of you avoiding him or something like this,

537
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:19.199
and eventually we made it happen.
And I only say this out of

538
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:22.280
love because I'm I'm a big fan
of Mark Rainey's work. He writes the

539
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:25.840
gray Man series. I think he
called him out on Twitter too, did

540
00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:31.480
I probably did numerous times, And
you know, I again, I only

541
00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:34.960
I only do it because I because
I love Mark, and I think,

542
00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:37.320
now, is he the one who
you like? Who you like? Good

543
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:42.639
idea of ftter or like sent the
well actually email to yeah on the on

544
00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:45.599
the SR twenty five. Yeah,
it wasn't a It wasn't a will.

545
00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:49.760
Actually it was like as like market
so he was a Galley copy so it's

546
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:53.000
before publication. I was like,
great, book mark, one thing you

547
00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:55.440
might want to fix. He said. The SR was five five six or

548
00:39:55.480 --> 00:39:59.960
seven six to two, and he's
he's holding on to that, he's hold

549
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:06.119
onto it. Oh yeah, yeah
he should, okay. Episode two twenty

550
00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:13.960
two was Frank the Elisio UH former
DA agent was under infiltrating over the satanic

551
00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:20.239
drug dealing motorcycle games fantastic neo Nazi
motorcycle gangs, like holy shit. Yeah,

552
00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:22.800
people got a little upset about that
one. People were always a little

553
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:28.440
upset. May Good I thought.
I thought Frank was great, and we're

554
00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:31.199
gonna have franken studio in twenty twenty
four, and I believe he's bringing one

555
00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:36.159
of his DA friends with him.
Now I'm sorry, not d A ATF

556
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:38.360
JTF. I'm sorry if I said
yea earlier, I think you did.

557
00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:43.119
But it was ATS ATF agent,
yeah, which it was, which was

558
00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:46.159
really interesting because I knew the DEA
did a lot of deep cover stuff like

559
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:52.800
that, but obviously almost all you
hear from ATF is sort of the bullshit.

560
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:58.519
Yeah, and to hear about them
infiltrating these gangs and really doing this

561
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:01.599
deep cover stuff, and I mean
hanging it all out there, really,

562
00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:06.559
you know, hanging it all out
there some lunatics. Yeah, it was

563
00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:13.519
fascinating. Episode two twenty three,
that was the Andy Stump episode. And

564
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:15.400
he was great. He's great,
guess he's and he's just a lot of

565
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:21.280
fun. He's fun to have on. He's you know, uh, I

566
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:22.960
like him as he has a pretty
dry wit, but he's pretty you know

567
00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:28.400
he's really quick, but yeah,
it was. It was a great episode.

568
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:31.239
Uh and then you know, this
is jumping around in time. But

569
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:36.039
you and I flew out the Montana
and we did the Andy Stump podcast out

570
00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:42.800
there in uh Callespie Yeah, callispell
calis spell uh and uh yeah, So

571
00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:45.000
you guys can go check that out
if you want. Dave and I are.

572
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:46.760
That was a lot of fun too. It was just kind of sitting

573
00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:57.360
around shooting the ship. Two twenty
four was the h to complete the Worp

574
00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:01.159
trifecta. Gary Lenderer. Yeah.
So yeah, Ken Miller, Larry Chambers,

575
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:04.800
Gary Linderer. They wrote a series
of books. I think it was

576
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:14.000
Phantom Warriors about the Lurps, about
their platoon, and so Gary Linderer was

577
00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:15.639
the last of the three, and
I mean he was great. He was

578
00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:23.440
Silver Star recipient in some huge firefights
in Vietnam. Episode two twenty five was

579
00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:29.320
is Berry. She's the novelist.
She wrote The Peacock and the Sparrow,

580
00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:34.119
but she was also a CIA case
officer and that was like one of my

581
00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:37.119
favorite novels of twenty twenty three,
The Peacock and the Sparrow. I hope

582
00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:39.800
you guys will check out the episode. Go check out her book too.

583
00:42:39.880 --> 00:42:45.519
It was a really good read.
Twenty six was Gary Harrington on for a

584
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:47.599
second time. We had him here
in studio and I was fortunate enough to

585
00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:52.119
be here that time out. Yeah, that was fun. The best stories

586
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:55.119
were after the after he wrapped.
Yes, that's true. Spilt some tea,

587
00:42:55.559 --> 00:43:00.480
some amazing tea that can never get
out there. But oh this secrets

588
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:07.880
we know that. Uh. Episode
two twenty seven, I want to say,

589
00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:12.440
this isn't this is when I missed
Nate Karachia. Is that the I

590
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:19.760
think it's Karnakia. Karnakia remind me
of Nate again that it was a special

591
00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:27.320
for hold on. I'm sorry again, Like I said TBI is oh yeah

592
00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:37.719
Nate, Okay, no go back? Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah No,

593
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:43.760
Nate was awesome. Yeah, I'm
sorry I missed him. So go check

594
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:46.480
out episode two twenty seven. Uh. And then to twenty eight was Aaron

595
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:53.840
hale e O d uh technician who
got really really badly injured in Afghanistan,

596
00:43:55.880 --> 00:44:04.880
totally blind and now death too right
because he and my infection led to him

597
00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:09.360
losing his hearing right and then he
had didn't he had the implants and stuff

598
00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:14.360
yeah, yeah, so you can
hear a little bit. Yeah. Incredible

599
00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:20.280
guy. Yeah, fascinating and still
super I mean, such a testament to

600
00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:22.840
like the human spirit. I mean, my back hurts and I won't get

601
00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:28.360
out of bed for three days,
you know. And you know, and

602
00:44:28.679 --> 00:44:34.760
here is a guy who's blind and
partially mostly death and is like climbing living

603
00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:37.719
life. He does a podcast.
I went on his podcast was fun.

604
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:39.760
Oh you went on his podcast?
Yeah, that was a clip that I

605
00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:44.599
told John R. Jack laughed at
the clip for me talking shit about like

606
00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:47.559
what I was going to do with
my life. What's his podcast called Point

607
00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:51.920
of Impact? Cool? Yeah,
go check it out. Yeah, Aaron

608
00:44:52.039 --> 00:45:00.840
was really cool. Man nine Ranger
Hall of Fame inductee Tommy Shook. Uh,

609
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:04.800
Tommy was he was in Vietnam and
then he was with the Rangers.

610
00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:07.239
Uh, he bounced there. It
was interesting that he uh, back in

611
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:12.320
the early days before like a lot
of these things were formalized. Like Tommy's

612
00:45:12.360 --> 00:45:15.280
one of these interesting guys who his
career, he was able to jump between

613
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:20.760
Ranger Battalion and Special Forces and do
a little bit of both. And he

614
00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:25.360
was on the green light teams also
at one point. Yeah. Episode two

615
00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:30.199
thirty we had Aaron Schwartz Baumb here
in studio for an update on Ukraine.

616
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:35.639
Aaron is a Russia expert. Uh. That was a really good episode,

617
00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:38.960
needed after you know, the previous
episode. It was a year prior,

618
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:44.480
a lot had happened between. It
was just after Pregosion got smoked. Yeah

619
00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:49.800
yeah, yeah. Uh. Two
thirty one was a former HRT sniper,

620
00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:54.360
Chris Whitcombe had him here in studio. Man, that was another one of

621
00:45:54.360 --> 00:46:00.000
those like mega four hour wild rid
So yeah, four hours and twenty minutes.

622
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:05.119
Yeah, yikes, and we could
have got another four hours, like

623
00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:10.639
yeah. Episode two thirty two was
Hudson Sullivan, who was a you know,

624
00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:15.920
American foreign fighter in Ukraine. And
actually we're going to see him at

625
00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:21.280
our Christmas party this Friday. He's
coming down. Uh. Two thirty three

626
00:46:21.400 --> 00:46:24.480
was Dan Blakely Army ranger. You
want to grab his book there real quick,

627
00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:30.639
Dave. Yeah, some great ranger
stories. And he also put together

628
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:37.079
this great like photo montage, photo
and essay book. Really yeah, it's

629
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:40.480
basically a great coffee table book,
but it's it's you know, it's vignettes

630
00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:47.239
basically maybe two pages or three pages
where it just talks about you know veterans,

631
00:46:47.440 --> 00:46:52.159
you know, combat or wartime veterans
and what they're doing today, like

632
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:55.599
how their lives have transition things like
that. And it's also Steve Is in

633
00:46:55.639 --> 00:46:59.719
this book. Oh cool. Yeah, it's a it's a fantastic book where

634
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:04.239
it just has you know, incredible
photography, you know, these portraits and

635
00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:08.719
then just their personal stories about what
they did after the war. You know,

636
00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:14.119
what what what life looks like after
that. Cool. That's really cool.

637
00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:22.360
Two thirty four. David McCloskey,
he's former CIA analyst, the author

638
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:25.159
of his latest book is Moscow.
X had him on the show. We

639
00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:30.159
actually talked a lot about his time
working Syria when the Civil War was happening.

640
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:32.880
Honestly, that was like the best
part of the I was expecting,

641
00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:35.519
like, oh, we're going to
talk about the book the whole time,

642
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:39.119
even though the book is awesome,
Yeah, but I love the Siria talk.

643
00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:44.400
Yeah. His insights into that conflict
was like it was very helpful for

644
00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:46.800
me to help understand, you know, what was going like, especially like

645
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:51.960
what the American intelligence community was like
thinking what they're looking at at that time,

646
00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:57.079
what to revisit that at some point
and I'm sure we'll have David on

647
00:47:57.159 --> 00:48:00.079
again. You know, he's still
writing actually his Yeah, I think I

648
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:01.639
think he announced his third book.
Yeah, it's someone he was talking about

649
00:48:01.639 --> 00:48:06.559
where there's a mole on the seventh
floor. Yeah, yeah, which sounds

650
00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:12.480
pretty cool. That sounds like it'll
be an interesting One episode was the Brent

651
00:48:12.519 --> 00:48:17.079
Tucker episode. Brent was his background. He started off in a Special Forces

652
00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:22.519
National Guard and then he was a
Delta operator. Also spent a lot of

653
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:27.840
time in Syria and Afghanistan. And
uh, Brett came to prominence through his

654
00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:34.280
calling out of Robin on his podcast, The Anti Hero Podcast. Yeah,

655
00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:37.639
that was that was a great episode. Ben's cool. He seems like a

656
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:42.719
super down to earth guy. Yeah, no, I really liked him.

657
00:48:44.119 --> 00:48:49.679
Two thirty six was doc Osgoode,
author of is a book Hawk Recon.

658
00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:55.119
Yeah, it's right behind you,
Hawk Recon again, another Vietnam memoir.

659
00:48:55.519 --> 00:49:01.000
Doc'saman dude. Yeah, just uh
he gave us a chance to plug our

660
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:05.719
patreons on the show. Is perfect, No, he did. It's it's

661
00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:09.079
interesting too because uh, you know, we're we're going back to a time

662
00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:15.760
where the Special Operations as a concept, you know, special Forces, it

663
00:49:16.760 --> 00:49:22.119
was special operations. But it was
it was a you know, it had

664
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:28.039
a specific function. But and we
talked about Macvie SAgs. But there are

665
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:30.719
units in one hundred and first and
the units there, units that are creating

666
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:37.239
these specialty teams, uh, that
are doing special operations. And you know,

667
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:40.280
so we would think today, you
know, going out there and hanging

668
00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:44.480
it all on the line that you
know, we tend to forget about.

669
00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:50.559
Uh, this is another one.
I'm sorry I missed. Robin Horsfall s

670
00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:53.440
a s Yeah. Now that that
was a fantastic episode. And it's so

671
00:49:53.679 --> 00:50:00.360
rare to get somebody from the SAS
to the SBS on And yeah, Robin

672
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:02.440
was just like a peach of a
dude. I spoke to him on the

673
00:50:02.440 --> 00:50:06.559
phone a few times. He seems
like a super like, articulate, smart

674
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:10.599
guy. Yeah, and we started
late, We started at seven and he's

675
00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:14.519
in the UK and he hung he
hung in for over two hours. Yeah.

676
00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:17.599
Wow, Yeah, I'm I'm sorry
I missed that one. He sounded

677
00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:21.840
like such a nice guy when I
talk really was it was a fantastic episode.

678
00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:27.800
Eight was Pasha Monroe, SBS operator. Yeah, and he was he

679
00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:30.559
was great too. And again another
like perspective. We hadn't had an SBS

680
00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:35.639
guy on the show. Pasha was
so much fun. Yeah, Like he's

681
00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:40.119
just a dude who just has He's
just like a dude, Like he's like

682
00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:44.239
a bloke, you know, he's
like, he's like a dude you just

683
00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:46.800
want to sit and drink and hang
out with. And Yeah, he's a

684
00:50:46.840 --> 00:50:51.000
great dude. Another guy who had
like a very like human story. Yeah,

685
00:50:51.039 --> 00:50:54.840
you know, very human origin story
and and really you know, through

686
00:50:54.880 --> 00:51:00.719
I guess just through sher determination.
Yeah, really turned himself into something.

687
00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:05.960
It really really impressive. Yeah,
great story. No. Episode two thirty

688
00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:09.679
nine was Daniel Devine who was a
crew chief with one sixtieth and man,

689
00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:14.199
that guy had some really insightful stories
too. The ones that stand out for

690
00:51:14.239 --> 00:51:16.119
me actually are the Philippines. Yeah, because there's some stuff that I had

691
00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:20.480
heard from like a different perspective,
and then hearing kind of like an insider

692
00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:22.079
from the one side, I'm like, oh, that's how that happened.

693
00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:29.960
Yeah, Yeah, he was great. Uh to forty we had Mike Edwards

694
00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:35.400
in studio. That was probably the
third time we've had Mike on the show.

695
00:51:35.599 --> 00:51:37.880
Yep, yeah, third two,
but the first two we're remote,

696
00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:43.079
we're remote. Second one was with
his wife, right, and then this

697
00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:46.920
time he is in studio, and
it was just he's just such a great

698
00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:51.960
person, like he's he's so fun
to hang out with. Yeah, Mike's

699
00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:55.480
solid. Yeah, always been a
solid guy. Yeah. And yeah he's

700
00:51:55.519 --> 00:51:58.800
he's a good dude. And you
know, hope we we didn't even have

701
00:51:58.880 --> 00:52:04.719
him back again sometimes two forty one, I think I think you may have

702
00:52:04.760 --> 00:52:07.760
missed this one. Actually this was
ya ya FANUSI yeah, because Jason Lyons

703
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:13.639
guest hosted on that one with right
wedding, Oh right, yeah, not

704
00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:20.800
mine? Hey, uh yah yah
was a oh my gosh, I want

705
00:52:20.800 --> 00:52:23.480
to say he was actually an economics
analyst yah ya ya, and then he

706
00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:30.320
spent time at NCTC. He was
really good, really smart guy, really

707
00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:34.440
smart. Yeah, really good story. And you know, I don't know

708
00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:37.280
if anyone is keeping track or even
cares, but like what we're trying to

709
00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:43.159
do here is like establish a little
sell of people who can like coming guest

710
00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:45.360
host on the show when like either
I can't make it or Dave can't make

711
00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:49.079
it, or something goes really wrong, neither of us can make it.

712
00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:59.039
So like people like Andy Milburgh Jason
Lyons maybe like one or two other alternates.

713
00:52:59.079 --> 00:53:00.719
We'd like to have ye who can
come in again. And one of

714
00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:05.719
the reasons for that it's not that
neither. I mean, Jack is a

715
00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:08.280
far better interviewer than I am,
but I can, like, I can

716
00:53:08.679 --> 00:53:14.440
get through it on my own.
I did three episodes that are like the

717
00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:16.039
best sellers for the years. Well, but what I'm saying though, is

718
00:53:16.119 --> 00:53:20.679
one of the reasons we like to
have these guest host is one it mixes

719
00:53:20.719 --> 00:53:23.000
it up a little bit too.
Yeah. Yeah. And as a as

720
00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:27.800
a live podcast, the Goat that
can go to two to three hours,

721
00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:34.719
it's really great to have a second
perspective of somebody else bring in the question.

722
00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:39.199
Definitely, you know, because I
will obviously just talk about the color

723
00:53:39.199 --> 00:53:50.079
of their socks. Fascinated by that. Uh Brad Thomas, Yeah, Brad

724
00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:53.920
came in. He was a an
operator who's a ranger. He was an

725
00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:59.920
RRD guy and it's the name of
his band, uh, Silence and Light.

726
00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:01.679
Yeah, so go check them out. It was great having him.

727
00:54:01.679 --> 00:54:05.840
It was fantastic. He was so
good. We're still eating the Halloween candy

728
00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:08.159
he brought. Were almost done with
it. Even though he pawned some of

729
00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:10.880
those whoppers off on us, Like, don't think I don't know what you

730
00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:15.760
were doing there, Brad, But
I enjoyed the way you don't like whoppers.

731
00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:17.920
No, I think we need to
discuss this. I don't know if

732
00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:22.000
I love them either. Okay,
all right, I know there's a problem

733
00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:27.320
here because you guys both order turkey
sandwiches when there's other meat in the dels.

734
00:54:27.559 --> 00:54:31.199
Go get the whoppers off the I
want to stare at them to have

735
00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:34.840
issues. Right, We're not gonna
leave until you eat the whole past.

736
00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:38.320
I just want to know there is
beef in this studio right now, turkey

737
00:54:38.679 --> 00:54:43.159
and non whoppers. There are problems. I can't believe you eat whoppers,

738
00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:46.079
man. Whoppers are amazing, man, especially when you go ahead days,

739
00:54:46.159 --> 00:54:51.280
especially when you get the deformed ones
that they didn't quite like they have a

740
00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:57.559
density. There's a problem with you, guys. So look, don't get

741
00:54:57.599 --> 00:55:00.000
mad at us. Look at the
camera. Thank Brad for the whopper.

742
00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:04.480
Brad, thank you for the whoppers, And I apologize for these jimokes.

743
00:55:04.679 --> 00:55:13.719
I apologize to. Forty three was
Pete Blaber. Pete just wrote his third

744
00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:20.480
volume of Common Sense Leadership, and
that book, The new one is a

745
00:55:20.519 --> 00:55:23.880
lot about the Pat Tillman ambush.
So we had him on talking about his

746
00:55:24.039 --> 00:55:28.800
career in his book. And actually
I would like to have Pete on again

747
00:55:28.840 --> 00:55:31.320
because we we kind of cut him
off at like, he didn't even get

748
00:55:31.320 --> 00:55:35.639
to the g WoT Yeah, exactly, because I didn't want to. I

749
00:55:35.679 --> 00:55:38.079
want to make sure we talked about
his new book. Pete was such a

750
00:55:38.159 --> 00:55:46.880
for me personally. Pete was such
an interesting like loop because I believe did

751
00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:52.360
he say it was the S three
or Pete was an officer. He had

752
00:55:52.360 --> 00:55:59.440
already been an officer at you know, at the unit, and then when

753
00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:05.679
I was a new ranger, he
was an officer in battalion at battalion,

754
00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:09.480
and people would talk about him in
hushed whispers, you know, in the

755
00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:14.159
chow hall. Oh he's been been
behind the fence. And so it was

756
00:56:14.199 --> 00:56:16.039
such kind of a and he didn't
know who I was because I was some

757
00:56:16.280 --> 00:56:21.119
you know, nothing four at the
time. But it was such a cool

758
00:56:21.320 --> 00:56:25.079
sort of loop to close in on
right, to hear the whole rest of

759
00:56:25.119 --> 00:56:29.840
the story, beyond the whole restory, beyond the about this person who was

760
00:56:29.880 --> 00:56:34.639
this sort of mythical being when I
was in range of battalion. He seemed

761
00:56:34.639 --> 00:56:37.320
like a good guy, pretty down
at earth dude. Yeah. Uh.

762
00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:44.239
Two forty four was John Dovey,
who served in the South African Defense Forces

763
00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:50.360
and then the South African National Defense
Forces SANDIFF. So when the when the

764
00:56:50.400 --> 00:56:53.920
government changed over there, spent like
thirty five years in the South African military.

765
00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:58.960
Yeah, I mean those were like
incredible insights. Yeah, from somebody

766
00:56:59.000 --> 00:57:02.639
who spent the long time there,
from like the external stuff in the in

767
00:57:02.679 --> 00:57:07.719
the border war in Angola and then
the internal and the village unrest of It's

768
00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:14.280
such an education and a time that
you know, yeah, like I remember,

769
00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:17.000
you know, the whole don't place
on city, like the whole sort

770
00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:25.400
of you know of one aspect of
what was going on in that well and

771
00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:30.000
not just South Africa, but you
know, in that region. But so

772
00:57:30.199 --> 00:57:32.400
much of it is buried and lost
to history. Without these guys, I

773
00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:37.159
think, yeah, no, absolutely, or it doesn't get talked about,

774
00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:42.360
right, you know, right,
Yeah, I'm glad we could have him

775
00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:45.760
on. Yeah. Absolutely. We
had Greg Kocher on the show for a

776
00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:50.239
second time. Yeah, with his
nine Yeah, mostly talking about his knife

777
00:57:50.239 --> 00:57:52.920
for cow. I mean that guy, first off, his story is amazing.

778
00:57:53.119 --> 00:57:58.480
Yeah. Secondly, his knives are
gorgeous. And Blades for Brothers.

779
00:57:58.559 --> 00:58:02.960
Yeah, Blades for Brothers his organization
to you know, help veterans and first

780
00:58:04.039 --> 00:58:10.480
responders like develop new hobbies, new
craft that it has actually helped him in

781
00:58:10.559 --> 00:58:16.199
a measurable way through cognitive tests and
whatnot. Yeah, Blades for Brothers.

782
00:58:16.239 --> 00:58:20.159
Definitely worth supporting it. And also
go check out his knives. I mean,

783
00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:24.800
his knives are beautiful. Those of
you who are like affectionados who are

784
00:58:24.800 --> 00:58:27.920
really into that stuff, I mean, you're gonna love what he what he

785
00:58:28.039 --> 00:58:35.000
does. Uh. Was William Yeski. We have his book That Damned the

786
00:58:35.079 --> 00:58:37.800
Valley was the name of his book. He was in eighty second Infantrymen.

787
00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:43.679
Yeah, a lot of Afghanistan stories
had him in studio. He was awesome,

788
00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:46.800
Yeah, fantastic, Yeah, he
was great. Forty seven was Zach

789
00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:53.519
Dorfman, the KGB spies infiltrating Silicon
Valley, which, unfortunately, even though

790
00:58:53.559 --> 00:58:59.880
Dan and I were here for them
and Jack wasn't, we couldn't be a

791
00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:02.039
part of it because we had a
hot mic in the studio that we could

792
00:59:02.079 --> 00:59:06.719
not yeah, taking figure it out. It was gonna sound horrible if we

793
00:59:06.840 --> 00:59:09.119
plugged in the studio audio, so
we did. It was just a zoom

794
00:59:09.159 --> 00:59:14.000
to zoom interview. Yeah, thankfully, Yeah, thank god Jack. So

795
00:59:14.119 --> 00:59:17.400
he and I just sat in the
studio giving each other massages. Yeah,

796
00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:22.239
well Jack talked to d or Love. Jack talked to that. Uh yeah,

797
00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:25.480
go check out his podcast about it. It's like a limited series.

798
00:59:25.519 --> 00:59:30.519
It's like six episodes about you know, somebody who committed acts of treason and

799
00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:36.880
stealing industrial secrets from Silicon Valley.
Episode two forty eight and episode two forty

800
00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:43.079
nine was with Mike Vickers, author
of By All Means Available as his memoir

801
00:59:44.480 --> 00:59:52.199
Legend. Yeah, I mean tenth
Special Forces Group CIA paramilitary officer then went

802
00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:58.440
on to be the Assistant Secretary for
Special Operations of the Intensity Conflict and the

803
00:59:58.519 --> 01:00:05.920
Undersecretary for Defense Intelligence. Yeah.
And I'm really glad, And I mean

804
01:00:05.960 --> 01:00:08.519
he was very gracious with his time. Yeah. Two episodes and in two

805
01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:12.920
weeks with us. They were great. So please go check those out.

806
01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:16.960
Two fifty I missed it, Mark, Sorry Mark, what happened? But

807
01:00:17.039 --> 01:00:20.519
you're not sorry because you said you
don't miss Mark. I was just like

808
01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:24.760
being pulling. Yeah, No,
it's fantastic. You know, Mark worked

809
01:00:27.159 --> 01:00:32.920
the you know, sort of Israeli
guy's Israeli Hama's desk or either. That

810
01:00:34.039 --> 01:00:37.800
was one of the issue issues that
he dealt with and during his time at

811
01:00:37.800 --> 01:00:43.639
the CIA, So he was very, very familiar with the region, with

812
01:00:43.760 --> 01:00:47.519
the politics, with the issues I
mean, and you know, obviously you

813
01:00:47.519 --> 01:00:52.199
can see through the comments if you
guys look sort of like Milburn's comments,

814
01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:55.480
there are a lot of people with
a lot of opinions. But I feel

815
01:00:55.480 --> 01:01:00.760
like Mark is a very you know, he's a very bald, lunched person.

816
01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:05.320
You know, he called out the
problems when that in Yahoo. But

817
01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:10.119
also nothing of that deals, you
know, matters with the Hamas attack,

818
01:01:10.280 --> 01:01:15.000
and so we talked about that.
He caught us up on what's going on

819
01:01:15.079 --> 01:01:19.400
with Ukraine and Russian some of the
challenges going on with the funding there,

820
01:01:21.599 --> 01:01:25.599
and also not just the funding,
but what that funding has equated to what

821
01:01:25.639 --> 01:01:30.519
it's amounted to. Yeah, and
he's health wise, he's doing better if

822
01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:36.760
you guys are are keeping up with
his uh havana syndrome stuff. But yeah,

823
01:01:37.039 --> 01:01:39.440
it's fantastic. And then this Friday, we're not going to have an

824
01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:45.280
episode. We're having our company Christmas
party, but we might go Live for

825
01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:47.159
like fifteen minutes or something. Yeah, we might do something a little bit

826
01:01:47.159 --> 01:01:50.400
in the show. Wait are we
not? Wait? I thought we were

827
01:01:50.400 --> 01:01:55.280
doing I thought we were doing Melissa's
episode that's next week after that after this.

828
01:01:55.519 --> 01:02:00.400
Oh yeah, well we said happy, we said Merry Christmas because I

829
01:02:00.440 --> 01:02:04.039
thought it was a Christmas episode.
I think it's the day between Christmas and

830
01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:07.119
New Year's it's right episode. Oh
yeah, the Christmas tree is still up.

831
01:02:07.159 --> 01:02:14.000
It's okay. Yeah. Well anyway, uh, if you're actually watching

832
01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:17.920
this episode and you've made it this
far, make sure you watch Melissa's episode

833
01:02:19.119 --> 01:02:24.199
that's gonna it's gonna be two fifty
one. Melissa Nahetta. She is a

834
01:02:24.320 --> 01:02:29.800
badassd awesome episode. It was great. Yeah, you guys are gonna love

835
01:02:29.840 --> 01:02:34.440
her. Yeah. Yeah, And
that brings us up to this episode.

836
01:02:34.639 --> 01:02:39.400
The twenty twenty three Year in Review. What it's awesome, man, I

837
01:02:39.400 --> 01:02:43.320
mean it's like three pages and names
here. Man, it made it a

838
01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:47.760
lot. Yeah, it was a
good year. It was a really good

839
01:02:47.800 --> 01:02:52.559
year. So in twenty twenty four, I mean we're scheduled into March.

840
01:02:52.719 --> 01:02:57.719
I'm trying to finalize the second half
of March right now. Actually, with

841
01:02:57.800 --> 01:03:00.519
some really exciting people. But the
people we have locked in right now.

842
01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:05.920
We got a MARSK dude, some
Special Forces guys. We have a soft

843
01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:12.679
weather guy, combat weathermen. We
got several ci A former CIA officers.

844
01:03:13.159 --> 01:03:17.079
As I mentioned, Frank del Nicio
will be here in studio. We have

845
01:03:17.159 --> 01:03:21.880
pad O'donnald coming up. That's in
June. That's you're right, you're right,

846
01:03:21.920 --> 01:03:22.679
But that's a way. Oh,
that's that's a way. I thought

847
01:03:22.679 --> 01:03:25.400
it was in February. No,
No, that book needs to come out.

848
01:03:27.039 --> 01:03:29.480
Yeah, we do have him booked, but that's gonna I thought it

849
01:03:29.519 --> 01:03:32.719
was in February. That's gonna be
a ways out. We have some rangers,

850
01:03:32.840 --> 01:03:40.039
another one sixtieth pilot, another macbe
sag guy. There are a couple

851
01:03:40.079 --> 01:03:45.119
other werps that I need to reach
out to and schedule who are also talented

852
01:03:45.159 --> 01:03:51.280
authors. Excited. I want to
get that locked in for twenty twenty four.

853
01:03:52.039 --> 01:03:54.119
And then we went out to dinner
last week and talked about, like,

854
01:03:54.639 --> 01:03:57.960
you know, the dream guests,
like the people we want to have

855
01:03:58.000 --> 01:04:01.000
on and I don't know if I
want to like start throwing names out there

856
01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:05.920
of people who we haven't even spoken
to yet, but high hopes. Yeah,

857
01:04:06.079 --> 01:04:12.800
set in the bar high Uh and
uh. I thought that because we

858
01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:16.079
talked about that on Andy Stumps show
too, about dream guests, and I

859
01:04:16.119 --> 01:04:23.559
thought his dream, his dream guest
was W was a very good, you

860
01:04:23.559 --> 01:04:28.199
know, very interesting from the idea
of what did you think about all this?

861
01:04:28.280 --> 01:04:30.760
Like what did you actually know what
was he until you were getting in

862
01:04:30.239 --> 01:04:34.559
It would be absolutely fascinating to like, ye sit down with W. We're

863
01:04:34.559 --> 01:04:42.559
talking about President Bush and uh,
like I've never heard him sit down and

864
01:04:42.599 --> 01:04:45.880
do like a retrospective. Yeah,
you know, just like, yeah,

865
01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:47.199
this is kind of how it happened. This is what happened, and then

866
01:04:47.199 --> 01:04:53.199
this and that, And I don't
think did did did George Bush write a

867
01:04:53.519 --> 01:04:58.400
memoir or anything? Yeah? I
think he did. They usually do as

868
01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:02.000
a president. Ever, Actually he
sat down and talked about what went wrong

869
01:05:02.599 --> 01:05:08.039
or what decision what I think what
I don't want to say bad decisions,

870
01:05:08.079 --> 01:05:11.840
because obviously a president makes decisions on
the information they get. So yeah,

871
01:05:11.880 --> 01:05:15.719
he came out with the memoir It's
called Decision Points. Interesting. You know,

872
01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:20.639
I think the former presidents sometimes are
very reticent to speak publicly about this

873
01:05:20.719 --> 01:05:26.000
stuff, including national security stuff.
Yeah, partly as like some sort of

874
01:05:26.039 --> 01:05:29.360
like the quorum, Like they don't
want to fuck with the current administration,

875
01:05:29.639 --> 01:05:32.079
right, guys, like if you're
out there kind of like talking smacks or

876
01:05:32.159 --> 01:05:35.239
not talking smack, but it could
like kind of undermine what they're trying to

877
01:05:35.239 --> 01:05:39.719
do. Yeah, So I think
it's like a matter of like not policy,

878
01:05:39.760 --> 01:05:44.320
but like the quorum that they normally
don't go out and do that so

879
01:05:44.480 --> 01:05:49.159
much. It's also kind of rightly
or wrongly, it might be shitting on

880
01:05:50.719 --> 01:05:55.440
the people who feed them their information
because the president is not the one out

881
01:05:55.440 --> 01:05:59.119
there collecting, but you're the guy
who analyzed it, right, Yeah,

882
01:05:59.119 --> 01:06:00.960
And at the end of the day, all you can trust is the information

883
01:06:01.039 --> 01:06:06.480
you get. But I mean,
now we're talking, you know, twenty

884
01:06:06.519 --> 01:06:10.119
plus years after the fact, that, right, it would be a good

885
01:06:10.159 --> 01:06:14.440
time for a historical retrospective on that. I agree, you know, that's

886
01:06:14.559 --> 01:06:17.719
that's very like just neutral, and
you know, we don't need to the

887
01:06:18.159 --> 01:06:21.159
emotion has subsided at least a little
bit. Yeah, there's still a lot

888
01:06:21.159 --> 01:06:25.840
of anger out there. But and
I'm curious if we hadn't have gotten involved

889
01:06:25.840 --> 01:06:30.639
in Iraq, if Afghanistan would have
gone any differently. That's a great question.

890
01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:33.000
That's a great question. I mean, nobody will ever know, right,

891
01:06:33.159 --> 01:06:36.679
Like it's all it's all subjective now, it's all you know, conjecture

892
01:06:36.719 --> 01:06:41.679
or whatever. But it's interesting to
think if we hadn't have been waging this

893
01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:45.320
two front, where would Afghanistan have
been different? Maybe maybe not. Yeah,

894
01:06:45.360 --> 01:06:50.599
it's interesting. That'd be a great
question as yeah. Yeah. Otherwise,

895
01:06:50.880 --> 01:06:55.159
what's coming in twenty twenty four?
We're still batting around the idea of

896
01:06:55.239 --> 01:06:59.840
doing a new intro new merch is
something I need to get off my ass

897
01:06:59.840 --> 01:07:01.760
on. I didn't work on that. We all sit on their asses at

898
01:07:01.760 --> 01:07:06.519
some point, I know, I
do what else? What else do you

899
01:07:06.559 --> 01:07:11.400
guys want to do in twenty twenty
four? Maybe a new podcast different,

900
01:07:11.440 --> 01:07:15.079
a little bit different. Maybe we'll
see. We've been batting that around talking

901
01:07:15.119 --> 01:07:18.760
about it. I mean it would
be and listen, we're just like spit

902
01:07:18.880 --> 01:07:23.719
bawling here, Like we haven't even
like formalized or really like come up with

903
01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:28.679
any idea we're attached to. But
like one idea is to like find somebody

904
01:07:28.679 --> 01:07:31.079
else, I mean maybe one of
the people guest host for us to come

905
01:07:31.079 --> 01:07:34.679
in and do their own show like
Midweek and they would bring in their own

906
01:07:34.719 --> 01:07:39.840
guests, or have their own type
of content in the national security. Sure.

907
01:07:39.920 --> 01:07:42.760
Yeah, D and I have talked
about doing movie stuff just because D

908
01:07:42.960 --> 01:07:45.639
is brilliant movies and I'm and I
watch a ton of them. I watch

909
01:07:45.679 --> 01:07:48.719
a ton too. I'm not that
good. I made one movie. You

910
01:07:48.800 --> 01:07:54.000
did one movie these movies called Jimbo. Where can people find that? You

911
01:07:54.119 --> 01:07:57.559
find it on YouTube? On YouTube? Just there. Yeah, I might

912
01:07:57.599 --> 01:08:00.559
put it back on Amazon Prime.
But it's a great like, it's a

913
01:08:00.559 --> 01:08:05.599
great indie heist film, it's a
crime film ideal that I'd love to revisit.

914
01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:10.679
The gaming idea at some point,
we just need to be, you

915
01:08:10.719 --> 01:08:15.319
know, we just need to be
We need to be I think smart in

916
01:08:15.319 --> 01:08:19.600
how we do it to find committed
people and and and not just people who

917
01:08:19.600 --> 01:08:25.439
are committed in the idea that they'll
be here when they said they're going to

918
01:08:25.479 --> 01:08:29.960
be here, but also committed in
the sense that they'll read the real books

919
01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:32.239
like they like. They need that
they engaged with it, that they that

920
01:08:32.319 --> 01:08:36.920
they want to be it. I
h I really missed gaming. I had

921
01:08:36.920 --> 01:08:41.880
two campaigns going every the same time, and and now they're they're kind of

922
01:08:41.920 --> 01:08:45.399
concluded or wound down. And uh, I would love to get back into

923
01:08:45.439 --> 01:08:50.760
it. Yeah, I remember,
was it Did I make a deal or

924
01:08:50.760 --> 01:08:55.199
that they get taken over? Remember
when I played the Warlock that almost fucked

925
01:08:55.239 --> 01:09:00.520
everybody up? Yeah yeah yeah,
one of my online uh campaign on Fantasy

926
01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:03.039
Grounds, and you played in the
first, very first one I think in

927
01:09:03.119 --> 01:09:08.960
your character got killed. Yeah,
and then I brought you back like fifty

928
01:09:09.079 --> 01:09:13.479
games later, your resurrected form came
back. A witch had resurrected you.

929
01:09:13.640 --> 01:09:15.520
Yeah. Yeah, you were just
like taxing that ass. Yeah, beating

930
01:09:15.560 --> 01:09:20.640
up the other player characters. I
actually didn't kill them all intense like I

931
01:09:20.800 --> 01:09:24.680
was like, I was like,
I don't want to. I don't want

932
01:09:24.680 --> 01:09:28.880
to do it like a full party, like a full party wipe here.

933
01:09:29.079 --> 01:09:31.039
Yeah, I don't think. I
don't think the players realized until later when

934
01:09:31.079 --> 01:09:34.119
I told them like that you were
their lives were in your hands. Yeah.

935
01:09:34.159 --> 01:09:36.319
Like as a DM, I was
just like, if you killed them,

936
01:09:36.319 --> 01:09:39.000
you were killing them. That's just
how it was going to be.

937
01:09:39.079 --> 01:09:41.760
Yeah. Yeah, no, I
remember that. That was one of the

938
01:09:41.840 --> 01:09:46.560
funnest parts of that campaign. Actually, but yeah, I know I would

939
01:09:46.640 --> 01:09:49.880
I would love to, Like,
if we can work out something like that

940
01:09:50.039 --> 01:09:54.000
works, I have to do it. Yeah, well we'll do we'll do

941
01:09:54.039 --> 01:09:57.600
a game for episode three hundred,
a little trial run, see how it

942
01:09:57.640 --> 01:10:00.640
goes. And I don't know who
the other player are going to be.

943
01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:01.680
H, we got to work on
that one. I'm down to be a

944
01:10:01.720 --> 01:10:04.560
player. I never played D and
D Okay, I think they would be

945
01:10:04.560 --> 01:10:08.960
a great player. I mean,
Lina's down, are you know our former

946
01:10:09.039 --> 01:10:12.399
guest and you know she's been she
bet she'd be down for it. Yeah

947
01:10:12.840 --> 01:10:18.359
yeah, Lona's fun. Yeah,
it'd be a good time. So that's

948
01:10:18.600 --> 01:10:23.479
twenty twenty three. I was going
to say in a nutshell, but we've

949
01:10:23.479 --> 01:10:28.800
probably gone for like a yeah.
Yeah, it's a big ass nut Yeah.

950
01:10:28.840 --> 01:10:31.079
But thank you everyone who like joined
us in twenty twenty three. Everyone

951
01:10:31.239 --> 01:10:36.439
watched the show, you know,
shared these episodes. So we got eighteen

952
01:10:36.479 --> 01:10:42.840
million views this year on YouTube.
Yeah, wow, that's a lot.

953
01:10:43.800 --> 01:10:48.079
Yeah, it's looking at the stats, it's pretty good. Eighteen point four

954
01:10:48.119 --> 01:10:55.800
million views. Hello. Yeah,
and thank you for supporting the channel,

955
01:10:56.399 --> 01:10:59.600
keeping us going, like the team
house is a thing now. Thanks for

956
01:10:59.640 --> 01:11:03.039
saying to us and airports when you
recognize it and walk them through like I

957
01:11:03.119 --> 01:11:06.039
get off on the fame, all
the you know, all of you guys

958
01:11:06.079 --> 01:11:12.159
that are you know, giving me
the flash all of it and uh yeah,

959
01:11:12.199 --> 01:11:15.079
and people who you know have sent
us guest suggestions. Yeah, like,

960
01:11:15.119 --> 01:11:17.640
hey, I know this dude,
you got to talk to him and

961
01:11:17.640 --> 01:11:23.760
and sometimes it doesn't pan out for
various reasons, but sometimes the results are

962
01:11:23.800 --> 01:11:28.359
awesome. Yeah, you never know, so keep them coming, you know,

963
01:11:29.239 --> 01:11:32.560
especially I don't I'd love to feature
like more women on the show.

964
01:11:32.920 --> 01:11:36.960
Uh so, like if you know
women in the intelligence community and uh,

965
01:11:38.159 --> 01:11:43.720
special operations searching, I don't get
that you're in relate you're in a happy

966
01:11:43.760 --> 01:11:45.359
relationship and I'm in a happier I'd
like that. I'd like to have more

967
01:11:45.359 --> 01:11:51.680
happy team house podcast relationships with expand
our reach a little bit. Uh.

968
01:11:53.680 --> 01:11:58.039
There's there's this running joke about this
place being a man cave with testosterone level.

969
01:11:58.199 --> 01:12:00.880
I mean it is, and there
is a lot of test ustering.

970
01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:02.399
But look, I mean the women
we have on have a lot of test

971
01:12:02.600 --> 01:12:05.760
like they're they're badass women. You
know, it doesn't matter if they're an

972
01:12:05.760 --> 01:12:09.840
analyst or an operator or an intelligence
software or whatever else. Like, they're

973
01:12:09.880 --> 01:12:15.439
badass. So so that's it,
guys. I'm looking forward to twenty twenty

974
01:12:15.439 --> 01:12:17.279
four. Hope you are, hope
to see you here on the show.

975
01:12:17.920 --> 01:12:23.279
And that's it. Final thoughts,
guys. I'm excited for twenty twenty four.

976
01:12:23.600 --> 01:12:26.000
I'm ready to go. I'm ready. Peace,