Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to a Geek forst review. I'm the
clown Prince of Ghoules Trustell. I'm joined by Oh, I am the large
bucket of drugs Dyl Muss. I'm the foot Zeerum Taylor Field. Oh one,
Gotchay walket you there and a good laugh there. I just had.
Yes, Jean, we are here to talk about Fallout, the Amazon series.
I was gonna do a little search because I camember when was announced.
I think it was announced quite a few years ago, because I think we've
been talking about it's one of those like, kay, it's Amazon days.
I thought it was really I thought that's insane. I could be wrong,
but I thought it was Basement days. When we just got the announcement,
that was like twenty sixteen. You think it's been now long? Yeah,
I'm pretty sure. I remember it was a sunny day. We're sitting in
your room there, Dylan, and I remember the mows just came up.
We're talking about it. First of all, we went to the basement day
still twenty seventeen, because we were still there for Logan while. I remember
that, but I do, Okay, Yeah, I moved to the customer
Dome in twenty seventeen, I believe. Yeah, yeah, well it might
be hard to find beut looking to you, but it's been announced for a
while. We did the review and stuff. But yeah, we're here and
talk about Fall if you've not watched it all because obviously dropped it a binge
style. Amazon's kind of all all over the place of their series. Sometimes
they do three a time, then the series. Sometimes it's weekly. Sometimes
it is a binge because they did this with the first episode of Reacher and
first episode of the our first season the Boys too, so I don't know
what their plans is. Here we'll talk about the pros and cons that and
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usually save him last because he's posible. I'm gonna start with her field because
he's like the most like the least fallout affiliated with anything. Because Taylor,
I don't think you, I think you've dabbled in the fall. But I
don't think you've ever purchased a game, because I know classically for the Fault
four review, you just sat there the whole time while we reviewed it in
the basement day you remember that. I don't think you picked up seventy six,
so you don't have a big history with this. But how was your
how was your time with the show as nonspoilers and your thoughts? Yeah?
So, I mean my you pretty much landed my experience spot on. The
only Fallout game I've approachased was Fallout three, And I was back when I
was a teenager at my first job, and I had tons of money and
I was just blowing it on video games, tons of money. I was
rund movie theater, paying no rents and I was just making I was making
making money, So I was going to games selling drugs on the side.
I wasn't. I wasn't saving I should have saved anything. I was not
wise. I was in EB Games every day, buying games. I remember
every day, Oh my god, every day working at the movie theater,
was at the mall. EB games is next door. God, yeah,
you're not alone. There's so many movies I bought at best by but I
didn't even need to. Like I like Game of Thrones, I would be
like, complained that, man, these seasons when they come out there like
one hundred and fifty dollars. Here was Travis just slamming down that debit card
right after high school unlimited money. You're like, yeah, I can buy
it. I gotta live rent free. So I guess, yeah, rough,
but yeah. So my my experience was followed three, and I I'm
pretty sure I maybe have played a little bit of New Vegas. But the
one the one thing I do remember is I boot up Fallout three. I
got out of the vault. I think that's how it went, and I
went on exploring this building and I just got fucking a nihilated. I thought,
you know what, at this point, I was already pretty seasoned.
I was sad. I was seasoned in other scrolls, and I thought,
you know what, I know, I know what I'm good at, I
know what I enjoy, and that's playing Elder Scrolls. So I went back
into oblivion. I didn't really ever gonna like look back, look back into
that that world, but I've always been kind of interested. You go ahead,
Are you disappointed at Todd Howard. So they're not going to make an
Elder Scrolls game. I was very surprised this movie show. Yeah, no,
they not said too that we got the trailer, don't with that game.
No, he just already said no, we're not going to do that.
Are you said by that? No? I think that. I mean
I would be happy surprise the door so quickly. That's a that's a big
that's a big thing to tackle. And I'm totally okay with just immersing myself
in the world of the games for that. I don't I don't need a
show if I want that kind of excitement. I got load of the rings.
I'll let's put put that on. But I think with this I never
I never went back to it, and I've always though kept tabs on it.
I don't know the lore, I don't know all of the stuff.
But when Fallout four came out, I was interested. I enjoyed the memes
and just seeing I watched like game clips and whatnot of other people playing it.
So I've definitely had a little bit of interest in the world. And
then Fallout seventy six came out, and I've just kind of like piggyback from
the shadows of that, so I'm definitely familiar with some things to find Piggyback
from the Shadows, what were you doing? Well, I'm not actually like
up front talking to people about it, but I'm definitely like Piggyback from the
Shadows from the Shadows. But getting into the show, it's cool to be
able to understand and be familiar with certain things, but there's still so much
that I am definitely not proficient on. So I'll be relying on you guys
to shed a lot of light for this, and I think that it can.
Where I come from in regards to Halo being very very stingy about that,
I am curious where you guys are going to take a position on this
with anyone of those or Halo reviews. Do not expect me to have as
much knowledge on Fallout as Taylor does on I do all day. You know
how many more games I play than you, Taylor? Two one. So
I've I've I've been I've been telling myself all day like, Okay, I'm
gonna be looking at Dylan because I know he's got a lot more experience,
but no, it's just there's there's so much going on in this world and
I've just I've taken onto the forums just to try to see what people are
talking about, and people are, uh, some people are pissed off about
what's canon what's not cannon, but we'll get into that in spoilers. So
I'm just I'm excited to talk about this. But overall, I definitely enjoyed
the show. For the most part, I think it was it was pretty
fun. There's a couple of characters that I just thought were idiots and I
didn't care for, But then I had to remind myself, maybe this is
just that Fallout world some stuff that was really flamboyantly comedic or just kind of
stupid. I wasn't sure if this is something that super diehard fans would be
able to deduce something. Oh yeah, this is just part of the show.
It makes sense. It fits with the narrative and the scheme of things,
I guess. But there's a lot of different factions that I wasn't familiar
with, just a lot of stuff that I was just trying to learn.
But I think the show does a great job at kind of bringing on a
new person who's not familiar with this world on board, and you can kind
of get you can get connected with these characters, and I think that they
do a lot of things right. Again, the hour long episodes are fantastic.
Disney take notes for Fox's sakes, but I think that the show was
It was a really intriguing story. I was really really engaged with it,
and I was not expecting really the finale we got. But I had fun
trying to formulate, like different theories and storylines. I guess, holds up,
what was that sound? Did you hear the jingle? Yeah? Just
don't ignore it, ignore it. Don't ignore it. Okay, No,
don't don't worry, just ignore it it geez Okay, it's Madison. Yeah,
with the caller they were playing. That's why it was late to the
casts. Mastare thought, I'll go next. I'll leave mister Bethesda for last
year. You gotta bring that back. It's been while since you got to
use that. But uh yeah, all I did is play Fault four.
That was definitely the hype of we did. It was the combo of the
podcast, and they just had a killer E three that year. I remember,
I loved to me how they launched Fallout four and what they did every
studio take. No, that was a flawless, like not like it wasn't
a bug or anything, but just like the ethere presentation, the hype,
the not really fully announcing a date till it was like months, Like it
was like they announced it, give you the day, and what June it
was ready and whenever what did they usually release it specific day? Right,
Damber? Yeah, So that to me was like, that's how you do
it in video games, and I wish they would do that more often all
companies. But so I got that because I've never really seen or played much
of Fallout because it's sole player games, so I wasn't like hanging around my
friends while they were playing. It had never gone my radar most of but
that stuff hadn't at that point as well either, So jumped in there.
Loved my experience there. I've always wanted to go back and do three,
and that's probably my list first, or New Vegas because I always talk about
how I love Fault four. People like, oh, but yeah, it's
just like another version of three, So I'm like, okay, well four
is that? Then? What's three? So? I love the world.
I love the wayte lant end to Tato's point, I do really enjoy the
character and the I don't say slap slapsticky, but sometimes tongue in cheeks sort
of humor vibes they have, which I think the show does carry over at
times, which I was happy to see because I never saw a second trailer,
but the first ship I remember being pretty serious and I was like,
Ah, this isn't like the fall I necessarily won. This is coming from
the one game. But even if you look back everything with Fallout and the
promotion for seventy six with the what's the guy as a vault boy and everything
like that, right, Like, just in general, it's not like Deadpool
levels, but they have some very mature comedic things that I enjoy were Eliscrolls
doesn't have that. Starfield doesn't have that, right, but That's always has
some kookie stuff of fault. It felt like at times I was dripping the
music as a character, and I think, again, I'm gonna just credit
myself an other people that said it. I think that for majority, I
will say seventy five to eighty percent of these games work so much better as
a TV show, And I think this is a case where I think they
pretty much knocked out of the park. I don't think it's gonna be like,
I'm not gonna remember all this one of the best shows. But did
I consistently have like a really good time or fun time with it? Yes,
there's some stuff that I didn't love, but overall, and again with
that slapsticky, I would have maybe, you know, tongue in cheek,
I would have liked a little more of that. I think at times I've
seen some people like Mike and Discord said like I got maybe not worse from
or lessers and went on. It was the reverse for me where the pilot
for me was just kind of fine. That just felt like it was a
lot to explain the world. But I was like, this is like I'm
entertained, but I'm not I'm not like dying to see it right where I
feel like from five and on I was like, Okay, I really want
to get into it. I really liked how they chronologically told the story.
It felt like the right amount to give you little pieces of the back half
of the world, the pre destruction, and then go to the other route.
I liked all three stories. Walton Goggins Man like again it makes me
so sad. In the MCU he was just some stupid weapons dealer in ant
Man two, and he did nothing like this guy one of those underappreciated actors
in Hollywood. He's so good and under that makeup gives a great performance.
God, what's her name, el Pronell? I think it is never seen
her. I guess I've seen her in she was in Army Darkness or Army
Dead Zack Snyder's movie. She's like Batista's daughter or something so other than that.
And I hear great things about Arcaane, but I've never watched it.
She's a really good lead and I'm really excited, whether there's season two of
the show or just other things she's in. I'm excited to see her career
go. And I liked the guy and the character play. Maxis. We'll
get him in, we'll get into it more. But I actually liked that
developing story because I think they did do a good job giving you moral gray
characters, and many of them were doing things that you didn't agree with.
Think, ah, that's kind of shitty, but that's kind of fallout us.
Ah, that's kind of shitty. So the and I'd say probably the
best thing is other than like I said, I want a bit more humor.
I felt like the actual world and as far as iconography all the way,
like the way the computers look and the typeing to just like everything you'd
want from the video game. They put that in there, but it doesn't
feel like a new person has to know that stuff. It's like, Oh,
this is the world, this is the way the world works. So
I thought the world building was really great. You saw lots of areas from
at least from for certain areas that I had seen Fault four. So no,
I think this is up there with I'd have to look at it because
we've gone some at least for video game adaptions. I think it's like a
top five, maybe a top three, because I think it's last of us
and then I have to work my way down. But I think they did
a great job. And the best thing is this ended, and I wanted
more, you know, it did kind of in a way where you could
go away. But I thought they did a great job. And this is
one thing where there was a lot of mystery box stuff. I do think
they shot themselves in the foot and they shouldn't have been a binge. I
think this could have got a lot more traction and it's being washed. I
can't remember. I think that SMA numbers are good and everything, but I
think unfortunately for them, which I don't know why, I'd say at least
half of these episodes, and in like a cliffhangary sort of way, and
I feel like what we were reviewing, our people talking about, you would
have had conversation the whole week of what they're gonna do, But you get
that answer in thirty seconds, you know, especially in those later episodes,
there's some big cliffhangers and you just got to wait through the credits and you
get your answer. So I think some shows you can do a binge,
but I think they missed a big opportunity here. I think the mystery box
element would have helped it. But yeah, I really enjoyed this show.
I have, you know, some maybe cons with nothing huge, nothing that
really took the show down from me acting story wise, telling a few little
critiques. But yeah, that's my thoughts. So I throw over to mister
Bethesda, mister be Yeah, I guess my background first of all, followed
three. I was the first one I played back in the day, not
Ray when it came out, but shortly thereafter. Really enjoyed it always been
more Milder's trolls guy, but really like jumping in Fallot three and then follow
Out New Vegas. Played a lot of that game, and that's the one
I've that's always been my favorite. I think I've done like three full play
throughs of that game. There's so much RPG elements to that, different factions
and stuff, Travis, that's definitely the one you should go play Vegas for
the RPG elements of it, the story stuff. It's definitely the best,
the cream of the crop there. And then you know Fallout four. Really
enjoyed that game as well, played some Fallout seventy six, played some fall
Shelter, and then sometime after playing all those games, I've like gone back
and checked out Followed one and two, but they're so old, and like
old PC games are so hard to just even know how to like where you're
supposed to click and stuff, so I've just like barely dabbled in those.
But yeah, for me, it's mostly New Vegas, which I love so
much. And then I'd say Followed three is my second favorite, and then
I like follow It four as well. But yeah, I was really really
impressed with this show. I think for me it was mostly visually this show
looks as fucking amazing the whole way through. There is like maybe one or
two points where like there's some bad looking CGI or something, but like it's
like, you know, in eight hours of TV, like only having that
amount of bad looking stuff is really impressive and it really brought the world of
Fallout to life. So I really appreciate that part to it, Travis,
kind of what you were saying there, Like, I also was like not
super invested in the first episode or two. It took me a bit to
really get into the story, get invested in the characters. And I think
it's because there are a couple of storylines that we're either really slow or even
by the end I don't necessarily love, and I was just when we're spending
time with them, I was a little out of it. And then,
unfortunately for me, like the very ending, like the last half an hour,
there's a lot that happens in the last half an hour this show,
and some of it is really cool and I'm excited to break it down other
stuff like this, this show isn't really like an ending, Like it's very
much like all right, Season two let's go like there's various storylines that are
just not even like they're not even cliffhanging read. They just like don't have
any sort of ending to them. So of course I'm a little on edge
of how I feel about that. Maybe I just got to sit on it
some more. But for the most part, the rest of the show,
like the other you know, five or six episodes, kind of in the
middle there, I really enjoyed it. I think for me it kind of
you know, with that video game format, taking it and like almost playing
this shows like here are different playthroughs of people in the Wasteland, which is
great where you have like Lucy Ella Pernell kind of playing like your classic like
Vault Dweller, like you going out to the Wasist for the first time,
so that feels like very much like a game experience. And then Walton Goggins
feels like a really cool like RPG run I would do, or like I'm
gonna play some Cowboy Google type which is really fun. And then having someone
kind of focused on the Brotherhood of Steel because that's always such an interesting faction.
Eventually getting the NCR in there too, so that's interesting. If you
don't follow them as much, and then just a ton of different vault stuff,
like I think we see four different vaults in total, right maybe,
and then you know, getting different information about each of them and kind of
following like Lucy's brother and he's on this whole other storyline through these vaults and
stuff as well. So you get a lot of different locations and different characters
and different setups. And I just from the lower perspective, really enjoyed a
lot of it. You know, I love these games, but I think
I mostly love it for the atmosphere, as weird as that sounds for a
game that has a dire atmosphere. I just like bumping around and doing random
stuff, and so I'm not necessarily super deep on the lore, but there
was just a lot of like familiar types of locations, whether that's just like
the Super Duper Mard or the Red Rocket things like that. But then also
like this setting is fun and new, like they haven't really maybe in Followed
one or two, or Tactics or one of these other random games. They
are in California, and like the beaches and stuff of California, but for
the most part, like this is a new environment because Followed threes in Washington,
New Vegas is in Vegas. Four is in like Boston area. Seventy
six is what like West Virginia, I think, right, So this is
like a fun, new, different setting and it's a pretty classic movie setting
as well. So to see some like places with the followup lens on it
is really cool. So yeah, o'all was really impressed. I really had
a good time with it, and I definitely hope we get season two because
there's a lot of storylines here that are left wide open and I want to
see more of them and see where they go. One thing you said,
I can't remember what you said, but triggered a thought in my mind is
I think something that Last of Us didn't do. But that's for a good
reason. It's always tough with these of how do you capture the magic of
a side quest in a movie or show for video game. I think this
is the best example if I get them for same thing song like, that's
not what I'm designed for, right, But when we get other TV show
ones, I think Wicher at times did that well. But this is the
best example show so far of you'll your character or one of the three characters
will bump into some funny situation, and they will intertwine them into the story,
whether it is for the actual main store or just like a character moment
to learn more about them. Right, it's not just here's a random action
set piece, because well, we want to have like cool side quest stuff
like they do in video games, So here we go. It's like everything
kind of informs something else. So I thought they did a good job of
anything would happen. You wouldn't know, Okay, is this gonna lead us
to more on the main story or is it gonna be something that's just off
the side, a fun little beat. But they never just felt meaningless,
which was good, and they created I think, like Fallout, well it's
a good kookie characters along the way that you would bump into, like the
doctor or that gooul we meet later on in kind of like episode three where
he's having a tough time meeting some medicine like but again that you know,
goes into the you know, Walton Goggins story. So I think the side
quest aspect that was very very well done. And it's a because it's a
hard thing to catch, Like it's hard to transfer something so specific to video
games to a movie, you know, because we've talked about so many times
in the other shows a review where that could happen. But I'm like,
oh, that was a waste of time, Like just cut that scene out
of there. You don't know where. I don't think that was here.
I think that fun stuff was good to have and it all worked. So
this isn't a spoiler, but it's it's a it's a good line. I
think at piggybacks off of what you're saying, Travis, thou shalt thou shall
get sidetracked by bullshit every goddamn time. And I think that they if you
know, you know, and that made me laugh, And I think that
I think to your point there, Trevis, that the different side tangent stuff
that kind of just unfolding the story, even if it's really minor, and
it adds to an overarching narrative later on, Like there's a few of those
moments. I think that it's all very intriguing and it's really engaging. Yeah,
and I think they choose it right, Like I'll get in the spoils,
but there's a certain character that they could have bunch did like a bunch
of side quests with and they didn't. They just did one and then that
character kind of went away after that. I was glad because like, uh,
this character's fine, but I also don't need like a bunch of stops
with them. So I think they used it sparingly. And again how they
told how he got to you know, the the bombs and everything. I
think they did a very good job because if you would have told that chronologically,
I don't think people would have been on board with the show. You
know, like Last of Us did that a little bit too, so I
think with video games that works. And yeah, anything else non spoils before
bringing down, Yeah, just all showed up. The music. Of course,
they grabbed lot of like the most iconic songs from the games from the
radio, which I like a lot more than I was expecting. And then
also when they'd grab just like certain score elements from the games, I thought
those were all used really effectively, where it's like the NCR sort of thing
theme or just like the main sort of theme song thing. I just saw
all that was used really well. And I guess, you know, going
to this, I just had such low expectations because I just like didn't want
to be disappointed. I guess but I also I think I kind of forget
how big of a Fallout fan I am at times, and I'm like,
man, so many of these TV games, these video game TV or movies
don't really work out, Like, what are the odds of one that I'm
really invested in is actually gonna pan out? And the fact that it did,
like, I guess I just give myself the chance to get excited for
it. So I guess that blew me away. But yeah, just just
getting some of those songs in there too, Like that's such a big part
of Fallout for me, is like that music, the radio, It's a
huge part of it. So that to really get all the favorites in there
was was really fun to see. And I'm probably gonna be blasting those on
my Spotify pretty soon. Here. You know, the video game I consider
the greatest story of all time. Last was because it's great HBO show your
Fallouts. You know you love Fallout that Lord, you get that great show,
Taylor Apocalypse. Maybe that's the that's the through a line here, Taylor,
you love Halo, you got that great show to go with it.
You know, we're living in the heavens right now. Cheeks two seasons and
no one more seasons than Follower, Last of Us, so that's true.
So yeah, it was cool. That's something I don't know Amazon was doing
that. When you pause it, it lists the song and there's literally they
take a whole track from Fall for it. When there's two scenes back to
back where the out the song was listed from Fault for the and had the
video game art and everything, so they literally just took like songs. It's
like that. That's what I love too, where they adapted the game and
did things for the fans. But if I don't think my mom's watching Fault
but she paused, she's not gonna be like, oh my god, Like
I don't know. This was a music. It's there for us to appreciate,
and that just blends in for everybody else, but for even myself was
like a little knowledge. You go, oh, that's really cool that they
did that. You know they didn't have to. So again, who no,
I guess Jonathan Nolan, but he's didn't show run. He directed a
couple, but the two show runners there, I think they did it.
If they didn't love the games, then they had people around them that definitely
did. You know, like whoever was in this room. They had passion
for and that's that's what you want, right, you want people to have
passion for these things. So Halo season three, Taylor, Redemption's coming.
I'm telling you what's the next one? Before were gonna suppose what's the next
one? Hail's a loss? Cause what's your next? Like? Is it
Assassin's Creed? That Netflix show that they announced ten years ago? You need
that one to hit, right, I would imagine I would like it to
hit, But like I don't know, I mean, like what other video
game adaptation shows are on the horizon. Well, I'm just no, I'm
just saying like in general, like yes, no, I was justnic I'm
definitely p I've put an above Assassin's Creed in Halo at this point, I'm
looking forward to Knuckles. Okay, well we'll return back to someone in the
times longer conversation was an easy answer, but it wasn't. We gotta get
spoilered. So if you've not seen it, because like we said, it
is a bench style come back, it'll be sitting here on the key first
feed or the review feed because it's sometimes easy to find reviews of TV shows
everything like that because they're all right there, so we will be right back,
and we're back. So I actually want to start kind of character by
character, and I want to start with the Ghoul because I feel like that's
a good way to kind of get the origin of this world. And he
does. I can't remember what his real life character name is. I'll have
to look it up. That they have Cooper Cooper Howard, Cooper Howard.
Yeah, he's a movie star, very rig Dalton type of vibes in the
world and stuff. But the first episode I don't think I loved, but
I love the opening scene of he's been paid to go to this birthday party
because he's a big star, and he's doing these things with these kids and
like, oh yeah, i'll take a picture doing an autograph and he's there
with his daughter, and then there's just this mini conversation of how you can
tell the difference between a bomb up. If you put your thumb up and
it's small, then you run. If it's bigger than your thumb, then
don't bother because you're dad. And then I love when the bomb goes off
and she just says, whose thumb were you talking about? Because clearly was
bigger than hers, right, So I thought that was very endearing for him
and just overall in general. I think for the first four episodes, he
for me was the highlight because what I loved is in the flashbacks, he
seemed like such a good person and a caring person, caring dad, husband,
everything might seem like a little arrogant and cocky, but never seemed like
a bad person. But then in the Wasteland, he just feels like a
bad person. I was surprised how just kind of mean spirit he was.
He thought, Oh, he's just gonna be the badass outlaw character. But
he beats up our main character who's a female multiple times, cuts her finger
off. He goes just to sell her, like if she doesn't say herself,
he just sold this innocent woman. So I that's why I appreciate it,
the moral gratness that I feel like his turn was warranted, and I
actually appreciate how just downline, he's just a man on his mission, gonna
stop whatever. And I liked all the way they told the flashbacks with his
wife. I thought that was a really fun toist of his wife being the
one to just kind of give the idea of like what if we just bomb
everything. So I thought they gave that character like quite the journey we went
on with him in these eight episodes, and I h yeah, I loved
I thought super Mike says, I never expected Bolton Goggins would be that as
racial vault boy. I didn't do that either, but now that made sense.
We got those trainers, we're like, oh, how is he like
here and there? And yeah, the show biz part was yeah, so
his story, I really have no cons I thought it was very fantastic.
And he just acted as ass off three hours in that chair every day for
makeup, So good on him for doing that. That's that's a brutal role.
I was constantly amazed at the nose, specifically on it and how they
pulled that off. I don't understand the logistics of it, but they nailed
it. So I don't know how you have a sunken nose like that.
And it looks like when you bring back Red Skull, Marvel, hire this
team, hire this team, and Goggins bring Goggins back to do the roles.
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, no. I I thought the
opening was really great. I mean, I love any zombie, your post
apocalypt thing like that. Scene of like shit going down is always really fun,
and I think this one was there was like more bombs in this one
area than I expected there would need to do it. Yeah, there was
like fifteen. It was really like six. But still it's like one nuke
should be enough. I think, yeah, it was. It was devastating.
But I love that it's at a birthday party because that's just such an
iconic part of the Fallout three opening is like going to your birthday party and
everyone's giving you presidents and stuff like that. So can I say presidents?
They're giving you presents? George here again, So I thought that that seemed
like a fun little shout out to the game in that way. But yeah,
I think it's it's such a fun character dynamic where you know, we
have multiple care now that we're full of spoilers here, Like we have some
characters that are clearly been like cryogenically frozen and that's why they were alive two
hundred years later. But for him to just be kept alive because he's a
ghoul and he's just living on this radiation, So did like think about that,
like from where he was, is this good guy all he's lost everything
that's happened two hundred years of just being just the savage kind of ghoul or
like getting towards that point is a pretty like devastating kind of setup for the
character, but is also really engaging. The nose was the only CGI part,
which makes sense because it was a damn good nose. But it looks
very well done. They did a really good job with the CGI. Then,
yeah, like overall the whole package of it, it doesn't stand out
because we had that sometimes right where it's like real life and CG. Like
you can see the mix of it there. So I think they did a
really good job there. Yeah. But yeah, and then I think his
storyline because for the longest time and where are we going with this, Like
we're getting a lot of flashbacks of this. We spent a lot of screen
time with that, and you know, part of it is just like the
humanize the character and in terms of showing you hanging out with his daughter kind
of meeting his wife or hanging out with her. But then eventually where we
go with it, I think is is devastating in like a whole different kind
of way. And like the stuff he has in the final episode, the
flashback stuff there, I think is all really good. That's the part I
really enjoyed about. It just kills chills, the devastation of like finding out
what his wife is willing to do just because Voltech is so fucking evil.
So yeah, and I just love that idea of him like being a cowboy
in like as an actor on TV and then like becoming that in the Wasteland
for real is just such such a fun turn. So yeah, I think
that was a really good choice to have just to kind of break up what
we're seeing here in the variety you get in each episode of having these flashbacks
back to the the before times because you don't really get that in the games
ever, So that was kind of a fun different dynamic. And I mean,
yeah, some of that's lore with Voltech, Like I could see that
being a thing that people in the games get salty about, like the differences.
I don't actually know if that's yeah, is that because I don't know
if that's the thing in the games of Voltech were like the ones that instigated
the dropping of the bombs, because that's like huge Lord details say that before
I just want to ask Jian, were you in the mind of like this
has to sync with the game, or are you fine with it can be
its own thing, just adapt in the game. Because in fact, there's
some people one of my friends told me, oh, it takes place seven
years after Fall four, but I was like, I wasn't even thinking,
like it has to line up with what we've had before, So I didn't
have that monet it's I mean, it's it's there's a couple of angles too,
Like that's where if you pick a different setting and you're picking new vaults
that we haven't been to before, I'm like, yeah, do whatever you
want, because you know, it's just a different place in the wasteland and
you can reference other things, or there's certain things that will kind of be
in common for most where you can kind of go and do your own thing,
and so it doesn't bother me one way or the other. And I'm
not super lowerhead anyway, but yeah, when you come into like big vaultech
lower things like that, like that's crazy. That's a huge plot twist.
And once again, maybe that is the thing in the games, and I
just have never stumbled upon it because I'm not reading every computer terminal. I
guess that I'm hacking into but yeah, like that, I could see something
like that. I don't know, bothering lower heads, I suppose if it
differs from what they're used to. Yeah, people, For what I was
reading, it seemed the other organizations were in that meeting. I think there
were certain timestamps that they weren't a fan of, and certain people in certain
leadership roles within those companies. I don't know. I'm not familiar with.
The only one I recognize was rob Co, which is like, you know,
we're a lot of the robots, and yeah, robots they can deliver
milk, and so that's like a classic place in the games. They'll go
to like a rob Co facility and there's like high level robots that you gotta
fight and you can get pull this stuff there. There's some people there,
I guess that remain I think prominent characters when it comes to like I guess
follow in New Vegas, and then when you have the events of following New
Vegas, they're getting pissed off, I guess because New Vegas happens at this
point in time. But then you have these characters here at this time and
they Yeah, I'm not privy to it though. That's why I say,
you watch the show and just say this adapttion to the game, I feel
if you start to try and do the whole thing, because at least like
won't like this. But at least with Halo, it's not like they're being
like, well, this is a sequel to the game. It's like,
well we're taking some ideas and adapting and change. You might like it.
Yes, no, same thing as Last of Us, right. I think
if you have to try to bake oh, this is if they make a
fault five and they take this show into consideration, I think you get really
dicey there. And that's why I think it's like for your enjoyment, I
would say, if you're this fine view you definitely just watch it as it's
an adaptation not a continuation. I feel like that's an easier way to go,
you know. So I want to say before I forgot something and you're
bringing up the Gul's journey, That's what I love because you get some answers,
but still you don't really know, like, Kay, why is he
alive? Does he just want to live the cowboy life? If this is
just survival because you don't want to die. But it'say at this point he's
been alive for I can't remember what he says, it's like one hundred and
twenty years or over there years. Well, that's why, and that's the
thing where that's the tragic revealer. He's like, I've been waiting two and
years just to ask this question, like where the fuck is my family?
And that's where it makes all the stuff in the past where Kay is doing
these bad things. But at the same time, if you told me,
like, hey, to find your family, you got to do X,
Y and Z, You're probably gonna do it. Right, there's a difference
between him and Ella. But still you can now when I watch the show
back go okay, he's doing a lot of things because if he eyes whatever
happened to his family, he's never gonna know or find them. And that's
intriguing because with the daughter, we see the nuke thing happen, and then
it cuts to black, right, we don't see me get blown away,
and with the wife we don't also know. So is that implying now that
they are in that rich world, both of them, Like that's where I
will get agree with you don't where I think there's some things that end on
it. Oh, I'm fine with it here of the story going, but
that is one where it's okay, I'd just assume his family was dead.
She you know, who knows what having the wife, but the daughter especially
she was out there in the blast zone and look at him, right,
So I did like that live to me, that made his story more tragic.
Of this guy's been alive for two hundred years, probably doing the worst
stuff ever, just to find out what happened to his family. And that
is that. That's why I hope we do get a season two because I
think we would get them. I'm very intrigued. Now is this daughter like
growing up? Is she a woman now? Because like obviously it's so.
I really like that dovetelling his story and it made everything mean a lot more
with him. So yeah, his his introduction, God damn or the Graveyard
and every show, well, the Graveyard was the first. His first introduction
was great. Everything with him was fantastic. He's definitely my favorite character in
this show. But yeah, the Graveyard was super cool. I love that.
That was great. Picks up the chicken and then but puts it down.
But yeah, the him just he knows the truth at this point in
retrospect. That makes the start of this episode, that first episode, the
start of the show, so much more potent because he knows what's going on
and he just doesn't want that to happen, but here he is, and
that it happens. And even then, now that he knows the truth of
what they're trying to do, it's still like that look on his face when
you go back and watch it, it's just like, I can't believe I'm
seeing this. It shouldn't. I just can't believe it. You know,
there's some parts in entertainment where scenes can be dragged on for too long and
it feels like, okay, like checking your watch, this is going on
for ages. But this they actually made it slow mo when the bombs are
going off and he's on his horse and people are falling, and it didn't
it did not feel long enough. I just wanted more, Like it was
so crazy, it's just yeah, the neighbor, like punching the guy who
was just befriending there minutes ago, getting out of my get out of my
little bunker area. Just it was crazy. But the Ghoul is just a
character that I've really grown to like. And had they done a good job
with having characters that you dislike because they're doing certain shitty things, and some
of them more than others, like that Us you really do hate. But
the Ghoul, even though he's doing shitty things, I never really he felt
more like that anti hero guy. But I never necessarily really hated him,
because when you see him going through these certain moments that he displays that humanity,
there's other times where he just really do feel sorry for him. And
the flashbacks help that, of course, because you get to see that happier
side that he has, and I feel like that side is still in there
and we're getting to that. We get to that at the end. The
other fucking fantastic shot I love is when it's in the finale episode and McLain
is talking to his daughter and then all of a sudden, it's just the
one brotherhood guy. The night walks out. His head's gone, but he
clapses and it's just smoke and shadow in the hallway and you see a silhouette
of his hat and he just he's walking in and he's like mclaan or like,
oh my god, that was so cool, so cool I was,
I don't know, won't bring up again. But I was very excited for
com McLachlan to be in the show, and he was. He was not
on the show that much. He plays the dad Ella's dad or oh okay,
because I love comic Glachlin. He's on my shirt like those type of
actors, like, oh yeah, he's really cool almost like feels like he's
actually the nineties version of Olton Goggins where he was always in a lot and
didn't get enough credit. But yeah, he's in it for two episodes,
so I was and very minor too, Like the beginning is there see uh
what el what is Ella's real character name? I'm forgetting Lucy sees gets married
and then he gets locked up in a cage, so not not too much
happens for him, but yeah, it's kind of strange. Do you guys.
Do you guys feel satisfied with the ending of Cooper's story though, considering
that like he's looking for his family, he doesn't get an answer and then
it kind of just ends right there. Not satisfied, I get it depends,
Like it just feels like a weird like to not give him like really
a final moment in this, Like it just it feels like the start of
like two Towers, where at the end of this like him and Lucy are
like, Okay, we're butted up. Now let's go on the next part
of this journey. Yeah, I think that's tough thing. If there's a
season too, I'm completely fine that because I think to me, his full
circle moment was being a little less hardened and now he's gonna work with somebody.
At first he was telling the dog like, I don't want anything to
do with you. You're not my dog. But now it ends with him
walking with the dog. So to me, I am because, like I
said, he sold Lucy those people to just be killed. Whatever happened with
right where now, I feel like he's starting to get a kinship. So
if there was a season one undone, no, but I think there was
enough Even if it was season one done. I think there is some tragic
about that character of this school for centuries, staying alive to try and find
what happened. The family never gets that answer. It feels like an old
Western tail. So I was actually I'm actually fine with his story where it
is right now. So how do you This is something I realize in retrospect.
How do you guys feel about the first time that he meets Maximus and
it's just this whole crazy fight scene what not between pH Squen in Philly.
Yeah, and then at the very end here he's talking and bragging like I
used to be one of you guys, and I know there's one flaw in
the armor, one shot in the guy's dead. Yeah, why did he
do that? Why didn't he do that to Maximus? At the start he
kept popping shots in his chest and like aiming randomly. Maybe he was out
of ammah, no that one. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but I just
thought, like a scene. Again, I don't know, unless it was
just in the hem of the battle he forgot that. I did like that
scene because that felt like a vat's moment. I'm not sure if you agreed
on that first shootout there at the Marketer were just the way they slowed it
down, they had him turn and look at things. I felt like that
was like, okay, them trying to attribute that the best way they they
could. But now you're right here that you know, I'm just gonna say
that he uh forgot about it until and then he then he remembered it.
But yeah, you're right, it's definitely if he knows the weakness. He
pop off on that power romer right away, and it didn't seem like in
Philly he would hold back for any reason. What's whoever he was out to
kill in that moment, So yeah, good call it, call it plot
hole. Sorry, sorry to ruin it. No, that's okay, it's
it is a cool scene though. I like when he says that guy just
gets popped off. But is there anything flashback wise, like I know the
Google comp but anything specifically about his journey we want to tackle right now while
we're here on him? Not so much, I really I did really like
I brought up and suppose, but I like that little story with the Ghul
that was kind of losing his way. That was, you know, starting
to really his skin's fallen off and he's having a tough go and everything,
and you know, like they put him out of his misery. So I
enjoyed that. And I really liked when he got into that facility where he
sold Lucy and just the amount of whatever that juicy he needs. He's just
like, oh yeah, going to and that's what I was gonna ask.
Do you think it's one of these things that obviously he was about to die.
But do you think if you were to palmels on one day, like,
would that make you good for fifty days? Or do you think it's
something you have to have every day I go for the next five thousand years.
Well that's what I was wondering, because he still he's still like inhaled
it again later on another episode. Yeah, clearly that wasn't the case.
He was just like kind of a waste. Then you know, you're you're
you, You're abusing a lot of it. Then say, I don't know
what it is like, I don't know where he is going to get more.
Obviously he had run out in this situation, but you'd seem like you
would want to savor that. But yeah, well they were Yeah, maybe
you feel like he couldn't carry it all, so you might as well just
suck back as much as he can. Yeah, he's gonna get over encumbered
if he carried all of it, so he just has to consume a bunch
of it. He put a bunch of his hats, so at least he
at least he he definitely took them for the road. But yeah, I
just good for him though, when he gone there big Jack Botmaan, I
felt good for him. That's like when you get loot from a good mission,
You're like, oh, yeah, this is gonna do me good for
a while. So mm hmm, what do you guys think about that?
Ask Jerkey that he put the guy out of his misery. But I'd have
to taste it to let you know if that was a good decision or not.
But you can't, like hey, in the Wasteland, you can't let
goods go bad, right, you got to use them. So vast Jurke,
he's gonna get your by. I also really liked that scene when he
went to that like family's house and then the dad and the son come home
from doing some like the metal detecting nick and the dad's like not sure where
his daughter is. That makes that might be just be eating his daughter in
that moment, but then you have to just shoot the kid. At the
end of the scene, he justifies it by saying that he doesn't think he's
gonna, you know, let him go or not, you know, write
him out of that kind of thing. But I uh, man, the
brutality of that. He just uh, he's just completely savage guy, which
to me is very fitting for the world to fallout because people are just awful
in this world and I've definitely known a play through or too where I'm just
similarly just as evil or just slay everyone like for no reason whatsoever. So
it felt felt true to the games in that way and have a true evil
character they did. I was surprised that he seemedly killed the guy, though
I thought he would maybe just shoulder knee capt him. So that's something where
our character maybe is loosened up a little bit, but he's still gonna murder
people. So I wasn't sure how to feel about, but that that to
me fits for what fault, Like you said, fall it is. It's
always these type of situations where you meet characters, you never know what's gonna
happen. You can have to end up murdering somebody. So I don't know
if he had to murder them there, but it's there's a press pressent for
it, so let's talk about some vaulters. Let's talk about Lucy there.
So that's how we get the Wolden gong and sing and then we go down.
Most of episode one is about they're in Vault thirty three, right,
that's the one they are and thirty yes, yeah or yeah, thirty three
is their vault, thirty two married to someone from vault thirty two and her
dad's from thirty one, and then they do go to vault it was four
or five, right, that will get to that. It's like kind of
the weird vaults. I forget the yeah, I for the number, but
yeah, I think vaults for vault four. So yeah, we meet them,
you kind of get the life. That's where you're getting a lot of
the like, hey, this is the you know the vaults, and this
is your life and you have to do and everyone has like a certain type
of I guess intellect. Not to make it sound like they're dumb, but
they're just on a they're all their personality traits are all very similar, right,
they are different in their own ways, but they live a certain lifestyle.
It's very catered and everything. And the plan is you get to see
some of the system where okay, they marry other vaults because eventually, if
you're in the same vault with a bunch of people, you will start meeting
other people, whether they're cousins or siblings. So you can't be doing that.
So you kind of have to mix the pools up. She's gonna get
married to this guy. They do get married. She gets in a room
and he just takes his clothes off. But then the finale of this is
and that's where they at least double down as far as giving you a big
ending. Our revealed that these are raiders that have taken over Vault thirty two
and they are just there to like rate and pillage the whole thirty where it
doesn't go that rail. Lots of people die and then just a lot of
things do happen in the first two episodes, But what do you guys think
about We'll get to many. But Lucy's a character is like done you said,
she is kind of the She of course has a personality, but I
feel that the first few episodes especially, she is like acting as like a
Conduin character much like we have where it's like, okay, you can put
some of your you know what you would doisms in here, because she's kind
of a not a clean slate, but the closest you could do for a
TV show. Yeah, I mean, I think generally, like in the
in the Vaults, like everyone's just very overly chipper to like a fake degree
and like Vaultech is trying to orchestrate just like the perfect society in that way
and keep everything hyper positive, and especially when you find out that like the
all the all the overseers in these vaults in particular are all part of this
like pretty much cohesive company, but more of like it's more of like a
cult over anything. So I think it makes sense that everyone kind of bleeds
together and is similar in that way. But I think it is fun to
watch her her uh break open as it goes along and see more of what
the wasteland's like, but then still brings like her very just like happy go
lucky things. Everything can just be resolved in a you know, peaceful way,
but even just little things like when she first leaves and she just sees
the tumbleweed and like blows her mind, like he doesn't understand like what she's
seen there. But yeah, I just I honestly, I was so impressed
by the visuals of the Vault, Like they just made these massive sets and
they felt very authentic, and so I was very happy to see that because
it could have just been like little camera angles in like the little hallways that
they made or something. But I love that they had this whole like farm
area with this fake like Truman Show level wall paper going on. I really
liked all the all the stuff that we got in the vaults there and just
seeing these different dynamics that she was like banging her cousin. But then she's
like, Okay, we can't do this anymore, like this is not sustainard
for long term. Yeah. No, I really enjoyed all the all the
vault stuff. I mean, she wasn't there for too long, but I
mean when she was, I felt like that kind of setup of she feels
like she's done all these extra curriculars, she's like checked all these boxes that
she needs to, feels like a video game protagonist character, and that was
kind of just like a master of all these different things. She's ready to
get hitched up and do the next phase of her life with this other I
forget the name of the other girl, like her blonde friend who is just
about to have a symphony. Yeah, I think you're right. I think
Steph Stephanie something like that. So yeah, I think for all the Vault
stuff that she's involved in, I think it was it was really enjoyable.
M M. Yeah, I think it's just so cool to see them add
so much detail to all this practical effects and just the sceneries and whatnot.
It was really really neat, and I think, yeah, the attention to
detail really really pays off her character just kind of like roaming through here and
just kind of like narrating us through the beginning parts of just life down there
is interesting. I found it pretty engaging, and I thought that, yeah,
she's basically top tier of her class. She's got her hand on everything,
and I think she did a great job of portraying that innocent character when
they dealt with the Raiders. I just thought it was kind of funny that
the raiders didn't enact on their plan immediately enjoy the well they got. We
got to let our boy have his fun with our with our main girl here,
and as soon as he's done, that's when the Yeah, as soon
as he's done, that's when the attack started. But yeah, it was
I I didn't know that there were three vaults and how it was kind of
like intertwined together. And then when they're kind of like explaining, okay,
well we have we have this breeding pool we do where people from other vaults
come in and I thought all thought that, Okay, that's kind of interesting,
And it's just one of those things where you go back after watching the
show and I feel like your second rewatch, you're gonna pick up on so
much more, not just on things in the background, but just the way
that they're talking and the way that they're kind of alluding to certain things.
I think you're going to really pick up on a lot more stuff. Yeah,
I really like the idea of these three different vaults being connected together,
because I don't recall that ever happening in the game many of the games I've
played where you've had two or more vaults connected in that way. But I
think it makes perfect sense for this particular sect of them where they're obviously all
these overseers are kind of running everything and planning everything out like chess pieces almost,
so it kind of makes sense that it gives them more freedom in that
way. I do want to rewatch that sequence because I'm wondering now, like
how much of that raider sequence was like set up by Vaultech in particular,
like wanting it to happen, or wanting the blight and other deaths to happen
in Vault thirty two, like purpose please, so they could do this whole
plan of splitting things up. I don't know, it seems like it was
more like they were dealing with the cards, yeah, playing with the cards
they were dealt, and kind of came up with this idea afterwards to split
the people up into these different vaults, which is also like kind of a
not necessarily cliffhangary, but that just feels like there's so much room to play
with these different groups of characters playing split up, and then we kind of
just don't really get to do that in this season. But it's like I
did not expect to spend as much time as we did inside that vault.
In particular, I thought after Lucy was gone, like we wouldn't see it
until she comes back later on. So I think it was surprisingly It's still
fun even though there wasn't a ton of screen time given to it, and
I was happy about that because I thought it was like the right amount of
screen time where unless our main characters are there, because I liked her brother
enough, but I don't think there was enough for me to fall in love
with him. But that's where at the same time, he was mostly just
like discovering things. Yeah, he didn't actually really get to do much on
his own. His was the exposition storyline, which was fine because I think
you need especially when you're doing the whole that's the storyline, right, His
voltech is shady, These people are shady. My dad's shady. If that
storyline's not in here, you don't see any of that. So even if
it was an excuse to see the vault, people be very odd, like
the one lady right, she's pregnant, her husband dies, but the guy
is wearing her husband's close so she starts calling him chat and all like.
It's like again the weird stuff that I was enjoying there, but I think
it was the right amount of there. And then we got to see another
vault, which was even more weird. But then I just love the kind
of resolution. I could see some people not enjoying that where there's an episode
I can't remember, episode it's like six or seven where Lucia and Maximus they
get taken into this other vault and their label tests like the whole episodes to
make you think something really bad's gonna happen, and all is is they just
tell Lucy she has to go out. I did enjoy the joke where Maximus
sees her and thinks, all hell is gonna break loose, and I thought
he was gonna kill all these people in the vault. When he got that
power suit, it was like, oh no, the power I was like,
it's over. But I appreciated you go all the way because that is
a funny joke. But if you are gonna make him the main love of
interest as like the second third lead character, it would be maybe tough to
come back from that. But even that vallt I liked that they had a
weird way of like they were semi non violent, you know, in a
way like the way they released her, And they made some overtures but nothing
too serious, and they're fine with, hey, you got to go.
He broke the rules. So I like seeing the different vaults, and I
wonder, I guess we still have her brother down there. He's locked in
thirty one right now, so I don't know what's gonna happen there, but
I'm curious to see. We must go back to the vaults somehow, and
I don't know where her and the Ghoul are going. Is it that way
or is it we got to go back to the vault. So I'm curiously
if there is a second season, how they would work that in. So,
yeah, because I can't imagine she'll want to go live there anymore after
all reveals that have happened, But she does still have her brother there and
other friends that I'm sure she'll want to reconnect with and stay in touch with,
which I know how viable that is to keep opening these vault doors over
and over again. But yeah, it just even may worry for their safety,
right, like, hey, this is what's going on, you know,
And maybe that's how her brother gets out if she's gonna go there.
No one's asking about her brother because they just assumed the split. Maybe someone
can lie and say, oh, he did get sent to thirty two,
and thirty two just assumes he's over there, right, And I thought that
was an interesting dynamic too, of that's how you found the splits and uh,
yeah, Betty always seemed a little shady, so that's true. Yeah,
let's take her next sad break and then we'll probably tell what's more,
stuff will be right back and we're back. Sorry too, You didn't touch
upon Lucy completely yet, so is there anything more specific you want to talk
about. I don't think I have anything. Well. I mean when she
gets out of the vault, I like how her Oki dookie kind of persona
is just kind of like helping her, helping her push through all the hell
that she's going through. But yeah, her her character really really grows.
And I feel like at the end scene when she's pointing that gun at her
dad, it's totally believable and I felt like, Okay, she's totally gonna
blow his brains out because she's gone through so much shit. And yeah,
when she's looking at that radioactive water and her pit boys just like like making
all the staticy noises and it's like, Oh, she gonna drink because she
does. It's ah, she she just she's She's a really really incredible protagonist.
And I was really really enjoying her her tribulations and everything she was going
through. And I will say I think that for having no boot on her
foot, her foot looked pretty good going through the wasteland after all that trekking
along, I saw one scene or her foot came up. I was like,
man, that soul on her foot is looking like mint condition. I
don't know about that. She was taking out of it. One one scene
I really liked was the super Duper Mart sequence, which is just a very
I feel like you always come across a super Duper Mart like early on in
a Fallout game, which was just like a fun battle set piece. But
I really liked that whole sequence, just one showing up there and like all
these ghouls locked up in these fridges and kind of the the I don't know,
just mystery of what's going on there. And then I just thought that
robot was so funny. I forget what if it had a name or what
you would call it, but the robot that like took her in was gonna
do this autopsy, but the way he was talking about it was just like
very hyper positive. But I thought it was a good action sequence when she
destroyed it and took took over and bought those two bums on the couch to
open up the cages and whatnot. And then obviously that's when Goggins came in
and did the rest of it. But I just thought that was that was
a great moment for her to kind of be this valiant hero. So I
don't know she was, she was a she just became more and more badass
as it went on and she realized how vicious the world is out there.
Mister Maximus, how to don't let me sorry? How did you feel about
that? Because I feel like when we had talked on a call duty call,
You're like, I wasn't sure I was feeling about that one. So
how did it end up going for you? Near the end? It's that's
the Brotherhood of Steel. He is set up in an interesting way because he
sent on a mission, but we don't really know if we can trust him
because he may have lied and hurt some peeple. Again in the mission we
learned some things go all the way, but definitely to me is like if
they did start as Fort wakens with Finn, but Finn was like a really
pathetic care That's exactly how I felt. Yeah, very pathetic. Yeah.
I think he was definitely my least favorite of the trio. I guess,
if you want to put it that way, when it was all said down,
I have never really found the Brotherhood of Steal that interesting in the games,
to be honest, So I think just in general, getting any of
those scenes wasn't super captivating him by the end, or as we got deeper
and it was interesting to see the way their society is set up and their
belief system. And I did enjoy it to some extent, but I don't
know as a character, I just found he was a bit too flat for
most of the show, and there were certain moments where he's shine like there
I don't know some of the comedy around him, like being in the armor
and then like getting that new recruit guy. I forget what the term was,
and they like brands him just like that whole sequence was Yeah, Like
I like that. Like the voice that he had with like the you know,
very low voice, was very funny. I was a little nice about
him, say some nice about him. No so bad about him now.
Yeah, I loved it when he was in Vault four and it was just
like getting so used to that cozy life and yeah, you kind of are
thinking like, oh, what is this. They're gonna trap him or something.
I thought like, oh, they're gonna lock that door behind him,
but no, they were actually just being kind and I just love that he
was like you ever heard of oysters before? And he's just like watching TV
and we just watching on TV. It's just like a waterfall. Yeah,
that's the whole show. It's just a waterfall, but he's just loving it.
He's in his robe, he's in his slippers. So I found some
of that stuff to be pretty funny as well. So I think you definitely
had his moments, but for the most part, just I don't know,
it wasn't the most captivating character to me. Yeah, it's funny. At
first, I was hundered, like cause I think be fault before I did
pick the Brotherhood of Steels in my faction with But I remember, I think
I just did that just because they had more perks for the power armor,
and I was like, I need that power armor. So I was happy
we didn't spend much time there. I was not intrigued by the brother It's
not like the Vault where it's like, oh, I think we've spent the
right amount. I still won't see the Vaults. I did not need,
like, let's check in on the Brotherhood of Steel side characters that he was
around. I was happy that they were just kind of this outside force that
were they seem more impending that way of you gotta do this or they're gonna
come get you. If they find out oout this, you're screwed. Like
it was always kind of reminder of if they ever are around and it's not
going their way, things could get really bad, which they did end up
getting really bad. But no, like I said, it reminded me of
Finn, but I end up liking that he was this kind of unlucky but
at times lucky not lovable loser like I like that at the end he kind
of became like a level loser and things just kind of keep happening, like
now he's gonna be like a captain or general the Brotherhood of Steel for something
he didn't do, and he wants to get out of there. He want
before he wanted to be on that mission b steal a couple of days out
on the waistline means when other people he goes, no, this is not
what I want to be. It ends the exact same way as Force wakens
too, right where he gets knocked out and ray Aka like Lucy's saying goodbye,
I'm gonna find you, Like it's the same story, but this is
like the pathetic version. Even when he was in the vault, like you
said, the Waterfall, I enjoyed that of for that episode, he completely
flipped like no, I'm good here. I want to stay. They got
caveat that's a warm shower. Before he was against sex and he's like,
no, let's let's have sex. Like he was completely flipped. So I
kind of liked that. They almost every episode kind of showed like, ah,
he's a bit of a loser, and not like a cool loser,
like he's just a loser, but he's kind of lost. I think I
didn't buy because what I was very what he was actually for the first episodes
other than I guess Goggins, but I was most intrigued by him because they
wanted him to be likable. But he kept doing these things like at that
point we thought, oh, he purposely got his like other soldiers' friends like
herd or infected so they couldn't go out. So I'm like, well,
that's a shady thing. He killed Tituus, who yeah, I was an
asshole, but still like he killed them. I don't know if that was
fully deserved. He kept doing these things. I was like deserved. I
was deserved. Titus is sending him into the cave to like go check it
out, go see what's going on. Then he like turns and wasn't he
the Tennis was like fuck fuck fuck like running away too like he did.
But also for the point Tityus was like just shoot it, like like Max's
whole time had a gun, just sat there. It's like watching, and
that to me was great, like video game win Tys is running away like
fuck fuck I felt that happens. That's when we're called. You're like,
oh fuck, man, I can't ping this or anything like, yeah,
I think those are called the yawgoy. That's a very click classic kind of
early high level enemy all encounter okay often yeah, and that felt like a
fun video game out so okay, it's debatable, but still he could just
left him there. He didn't have to fall out, just kill the man.
So he was just doing multiple things that were like this is really shitty.
So my point is, I don't know if I fully bought where he
She says, come back to my vault. I love you, not lovely
Tis, but it's this whole like you know, I'm into your speech.
And then he reveals these things he's done, but she goes, oh,
well, I I threw acid in an innocent man's face day. She did
that because these people kid after him. She thought her life was at stake
where I felt she kind of just easily forgave, and I thought it was
a nothing sort of point. I'm not saying we needed a whole storyline of
her being mad at him, but I thought that was kind of clunky,
the turning him into now he's like gonna be a good guy, because they
made him so making some errors at the beginning. So I think there was
some issues I had with the writing of the middle portion of the character,
but I did like that certain things, and I liked that also too.
He had like a military meahead thing where to his credit when they had that
standoff, I really liked where he lives about having the gun and she's like,
we are armed and you know, and then she goes, well they
aren't arm, and he's like, they're lying. So it's like, even
though he's kind of a goof, he has some military training and it kicks
in at certain points where it goes, okay, no, this is the
situation. So it's like a book smart versus street smart sort of thing.
So I ended up being very intrigued by him, and I liked, like
I said, the last shot of the find with that dead body and now
he is going to be this top leading guy in the steel and that has
to be even worse now because now are on, you'll be leading stuff.
So I ended up really liking that character, which at first like, Okay,
why is this character kind of here bumps in the loop he has this
problem. I liked his few ventures we got with his side, like yeah,
little the trainer guy or apprentice guy, and I like that he just
fully turned on Yeah fatty as he turned on and the second found out took
the power corps left and from his foot. Oh god, oh my god.
Yeah, not not looking too good. But how do you feel about
Maximus? I feel like I feel like, as judging, you just said
Titus deserved it. This is like this is how I picture Taylor would be
in the waistline, you know, like Maximus, this is this is Taylor.
There are also certain situations you just know you gotta do this. You
know, I wasn't a fan of him at the start. It took a
while for him to grow on me as a character. There are certain moments
that I did enjoy, but yeah, I just felt like he was just
making so many stupid decisions at the start. But you can attribute it to
his lack of experience out there in the field. I mean, he was
living in Sandy Shores, which is this haven, and then it turned into
him just being a squire right for the Brotherhood to steal. And so he
hasn't had a lot of immersion in the world until he goes out there as
this squire to Titus, I guess. So yeah, I thought, yeah,
he became more interesting, but I was getting frustrated with his stupid decisions
that he was making. I didn't like that he would leave the armor alone
all the time. That really bothered me. H, people are gonna people
are gonna rate it. But I like that he was able to teach himself
learn And yet when he was fighting off those raiders at the start, when
they were trying to break his armor down, he has his hand in backwards
inside the suit and then he like crushes the guy's skull. That was pretty
cool. So he grows on you as a character, and I'm happy about
that. And yeah, he's got this relationship growing with Lucy as well.
But I think the the fin is a great example. That's exactly how I
was kind of feeling. But he's just much more like a few tears below
below fin I'd say a few. I don't think this guy would ever become
a Jedi. You do have that sort of fortitude I did. Its like
one lower element with that character is that to him the bombs fell when he
was a kid, which at first, when you first see that, you're
like wow, like the brother still like really indoctrinating you into this and just
like completely falsifying what has happened in this place and like really kind of brainwashing
him in that way. But then to have the reveal later on that the
bomb did fall at Sandy Shores, uh, when he was a kid,
and that part of it was real, and they Brotherhood Steel just kind of
took that information and used it to like twist this reality for him in this
backstory, which I think lens to like understand why he is kind of a
dufist at times. Like obviously if like they've haven't corrected him on that information,
Like what other stuff are they specifically teaching him, Like what kind of
I don't know, teachings are they giving them other than just like indoctrinating about
Brotherhood of Steel, teaching them basic combat stuff and then sending them out to
do like very specific emissions like it kind of makes you feel for him a
bit more in that way, and it is a tragic backstory for him as
well. So I really liked all this stuff around Sandy Shores. I thought
that was a really cool bit of story that we got there, which once
again just shows like the brutality of Voltech as a as a company. But
I think it also was cool that it tied in his backstory connected to Lucy's
backstory, and that she was there at some point too, which is kind
of you wonder if they ever bumped into each other as kids or something potentially,
I don't know if the ages would work for that, but really cool
stuff all around his uh this is such upon his his squire Fattius. You
hate him at the start, and then you come to kind of like him
a little bit, but then you hate him again and he's talking about it
he used to be a shitter on like a compost farm, and that's why
he's kind of like a bigger guy this weird story. But yeah, he's
just what a weird fucking job. But yeah, that his foot got sucked
up and the dog is trying to like eat his foot and all that,
and so he puts the dog on the cooler. But yeah, he when
he trusts the the like snakeskin oil guy. I think that's what the doctor
who was trying to kill himself like a moment, Yeah, he get interested
the doctors. He has a rifle at his foot and he's a rifle up
of his mouth and he's trying to shoot it with his foot and it doesn't
happen. So it's like, oh my gosh. But speaking to feet,
the scientist's foot like in that little shoe thing they put on him, which
is just like a saw trap that like digs into his leg a bit more.
That was savage. I was like, what are they gonna do here?
And then say, oh, that's that's I don't think I've seen anything
this r rated in a while, so it kind of shocked me at times
to just see some of these heads getting crushed and feet and likely Yeah,
but says like I read people talking about how ghouls don't regenerate like he did,
because you'd see howards would finger would have regenerated, but it didn't.
So people are speculating, Oh, I wrote this down, that he's not
a ghoul, that he is something else. I wrote it down he is
a a supermutant, and the doc gave something called like a forced evolutionary virus,
which is something the games. So fuck, that's cool. No,
I like that bit of Lord because I mean the way I've always taken it
is that gules are more from like exposure to radiation, like over long periods
of time, and it kind of turns the end of that. And I
don't think that's ever happened in the game where someone just like it's not like
a vampire curse or something, you know, just get like, you know,
a shot of it and now you're a ghoul. And now that I
think of it, like, I can't recall ever seeing like the origins of
someone being turned into a super mutant. Now obviously it doesn't look like a
super mutant yet, but maybe that transformation takes time where you'll turn into this
huge guy. So that would be cool because I was expecting that a couple
of different points when there was like there was that one uh, I think
it was Lucy's brother was like watching something on a screen, or actually I
think it was Lucy when she was in that like cryo room and she was
watching some footage of something and there was like some doctors freaking out about something
busting through a wall, and I thought that was gonna be a super mutant
or something ended up being some other irradiated creature. But yeah, I don't
think we saw a super mute and all, and they were pretty classics,
so that would be a big fun thing to see in season two. I
speaking of that in that scene, I mean, I love Fred Armison all
the time, and in this he's very much like Fred Armison being Fred Armison.
But I thought it was hilarious. And he's like listening to this music
which just sounds like garbage, and he's like, well, people don't like
the sound of this. Hey, it's like, oh you gotta listen for
like the mid range? Yeah right there, uh yeah right, there's oh
yeah, how do people love that? Like that? The whole sequence is
cracking me up. I loved it, Like Fred Armiston never been a fault
thing because he is like Taylor May no pun intent for this at the universe,
like he like I look at Fred Armison and then the roles he's done.
He just screams fallout characters like this, and he's very like he's a
musician too, So I thought it was funny that he had some music related
dialogue. It was it was perfect. And that's one of those ones like
sometimes he gets slowed because there's not really too many big names in here,
right, so it's like and the biggest one is I guess Colin maclauchlin,
but then Wilton Godland's cover makeup. So it's just like that's a cameo that
fits in this world. It's like you could even just believe he's still just
Fred Armizon. That happened, like to be in the apocalypse, Like,
yeah, I was happy with that cameo. It was good. My last
one was here. What do you guys think about We talked about a little
bit about the reveal of yeah, Voltech being the ones they kind of were
debating about how to get people in the vaults, all these things about what
should they do with the future, and their answer was, well, why
don't you know, how do you sell someone on You might get nuked,
you might not get nuked, but we just nuke it and kind of end
the war, right, And that's the way where the ideas were gonna nukee
everything, these people of vaults and then once things kind of level, you
go up there. Start a new so you just start the world over,
right, But then, oh man, you just start the world over.
I think there was like a new one. I think I saw hang on,
Oh is there? Oh I saw Scott dude, and oh yeah,
look at that hearts so you do hearts nice? Pretty good? So yeah,
just start a world. But the problem is their plans. I guess
not everyone dies because some people get radiation, some people find out's the way
to survive, so and there it becomes off to the factions. All these
things go wrong. So really their nuke plan didn't really like work. They
said, their whole answer is time, so they're just gonna keep trying to
outlive the people that eventually go up there. Uh. But yeah, that
was the big reveal that they dropped the nukes so they could stay on there.
You got a bunch of people up there, and we got that reveal
with yeah, like Lucy's dad was a part of it. We got questionable
daging. That was a i'd say a questionable C guy. I think,
yeah, it looked like to me, which I don't know if it is,
but looked like an AI d aging where it was like, yeah,
something's really off with this one just even in generally just it felt like a
game cut scene with a live action. But Lucy mom found out some of
this stuff went to the top. He didn't like that so pretty much he
left her for dead, so we got it. Reveals that he's a bad
guy. He was cryogenically frozen. Death of her mom. Her mom is
like a ghoul Skelton over there, still alive. So they did they did
they him. They flew a lot on us in the last ten not last,
but in that ten to fifty minute portion a lot of reveal, reveal
reveal, So I think he almost could have spread some of that out.
But uh, there's a lot to it, a lot of twists and turns.
Yeah, no, I I guess mentioned before. I really liked the
twist of Valtech being the one to kind of take the first strike and initiate
some of these nuclear warfare to create their perfect world. And I think the
idea too that they just have in I think it was in thirty one,
right, yeah, where they had all these still chryogenically frozen people and so
like, even if their plan doesn't take immediately, doesn't work right away,
the idea is that like, well, we have a ton of people frozen
here, and we can just keep, yeah, starting afresh, starting to
new, and naturally it's gonna get It's never gonna work right because they're gonna
lose people, or you know, a certain overseer who is unfrozen and currently
has the power is gonna want to take all of it for themselves. So
clearly it's such a such a flawed plan, but obviously it always was,
and I think that's what makes it so fun and as a gray area,
and I think it is like, I don't know, it's it's hard to
believe that anyone would be so evil, you know, and obviously it's like
corporations bad, and this is like the worst form of that, I guess,
and it's hard to believe. But like also, Followed is very over
the top of its humor and its characters, and so for me it works
here. And I think it's like a fun different type of story to Followed
has never been trying to be the most realistic thing ever, you know,
there are realistic situations or immersive situations, but I think it's a very different
vibe. So for me, like that part of it really worked. I
think the turn with the dad like in the in episode one and he gets
taken away, I was like, Oh, he's definitely a good guy and
we're gonna go save him, which is you know, that's like the plot
of fall At Three's you're trying to find your dad who's got taken away.
So that's another fun sort of thing there. But then, like you know,
by episode three or four or five, even though he's not in the
show at all, I'm like, Oh, he's clearly bad. Like when
we get to him, he's clearly going to be a bad guy. And
I think that turn in on paper works, but I just feel like I
wish I did get more screen time of him, like, and I know
for the reveal, it wouldn't have worked if in those Walton Goggins flashback sequences,
if they had showed him there, because that would have given it away.
Yes, but I feel like maybe that could have added to it,
And I don't know how you do it, and maybe you could do it
now in season two we could get those flashbacks. Now, we could see
more of it. But it did seem like a bit too much of like,
I'm not really invested in this guy, in this character, and I
care about Lucy and I'm rooting for her, but I don't particularly care if
she finds her dad and they amend this relationship. So I think it turns
a bit much. And then it just him like floating away in the power
arm was like a bit too cheesy for me saying that, knowing that there's
a ton of cheesy stuff that happens and follow it. So I think it's
like it ended up working like fifty to fifty for me. But once again,
the idea of Voltech being just the super siss company, I think is
really well done throughout this show. I think my other like highlight of that
is when the scientist he's just given up hope. He's like, you know
what, just take my head. He's like, I just took a cyanide
pill, which is the most humane thing that vault Tech has ever built.
And I love that line. He's like, it's it's quick, it's harmless,
and it tastes like banana. I just that was like that was like
peak vultech propaganda. I loved it. Do you think with her dad?
Because I think one thing is a lot of times she tells people while I'm
trying to say my dad, but that's just it, right, it's just
like a line. There's not much there. I wonder if you even could
have done and I don't know if it's a pro con flashbacks, but with
him and her together, not flashbacks of him when he's young, yeah,
but more just to learn about Oh. I feel like that would have added
a lot to it. And even how do we care? Maybe do something
for the brother too, give him more, or like make us care more
about the mother who we just kind of Yeah, she is in the show
eventually, but it's like, it's weird that they don't you have those flashbacks
when they clearly cast someone in that role and she's I mean, I don't
know if she has much dialogue, but yeah, she still exists. So
I think they maybe could have done a bit more there, Yeah, because
it's just like I said, she talks about her dad a little bit,
but not too much because there's just lots going on in the world, right,
she just didn't have time just to sit down and say why her dad's
like a great guy. You know, we could see some of that.
So I agree, think it's a little clunky, could have use a bit
more time. I was fine with the Vultech thing. It didn't like I
was like, okay, I kind of felt it was going that way.
But it's interesting of what like Vault four, I only knows that, so
it's interesting who knows what exactly right. It's just yeah, Vault four is
a really weird case where they're like, yeah, re established there later on
and they have like this, they look up to Muldover as like this cult
leader, but she doesn't. But then they're doing they were doing big experiments
because women are giving birth to like piranhas and stuff and people have fingers everywhere
savage. Yeah, so I feel like they're a vault that went wrong and
they just like Vaultech was like, I just let them be by themselves,
like they just gave up the on them long time ago, you know.
So, uh, Tay, what did you feel about some of these ending
twists? Well, I mean I think that the company Vaultech was Yeah,
there was some crazy shit going on, especially with trying to learn and understand
when you have that meeting sequence and they're talking about, oh, we could
do a vault like this, or we can vault where people are like this,
and I was just thinking, man, like this doesn't this is basically
the problem you have now with different factions, Like if these vaults take off
and they have their own beliefs, then they're gonna butt heads eventually out of
the road. So they're just creating more of the same. Yeah, I
love all the goggins. He's like, no, get them, like he
starts to get them off the path, get them off the path, and
then she does, but then she comes back to like, well, let's
just bomb themselves. But I like that even had him being in there like
no, like this is this is not gonna work. You know. The
the end twists though, Vault Tech being responsible for bombing them then restarting things
and there and their terms. This is exactly This is exactly what they did
with Resident Evil, the final chapter. That's sixth movie with Miliovovich. And
I'm sure I don't know we fallo out did it first or whatnot, but
yeah, this is the same thing. The Umbrella Corporation was like, Okay,
we're putting all of our Umbrella execs in cryo and then we're gonna nuke
the surface and do like the virus, the T virus, and we'll come
back on our own terms. It's exactly the same thing. So I thought,
Oh, this is kind of lame that they did it, but I
kind of like this a little bit more because Vultech. Maybe it was just
the way that Fallout told the story better. I appreciate it, but yeah,
I'm just I'm I'm interested to see more though with with Goggin's character though,
because with this ending like this, and that's where you were talking about
earlier, Dylan just how we felt with his story if we were satisfied with
where it was, and McClain just jet firing out of there, but him
like he we saw him with his daughter last at the beginning of the show
when he left, and then I'm assuming when they hinted at alimony that made
maybe okay. He heard the conversation in that room when he was eavesdropping,
confronted his wife and then they got separated. He didn't know when this plan
was going to happen. His wife obviously didn't tell him. Maybe it happened
sooner than they were expecting, because I feel like his wife would have had
the kid with her to put her in the vault. There's just there's more
to that story. I want to know, and I'm assuming that he's probably
racing to a vault entrance to get this kid in there, and they wouldn't
let him in or something like that. I'm sure. So that's kind of
the only thing I'm stuck on. But as for everything else, Moldaver is
dead on. I feel like, Okay, well, now the Brotherhood of
Steel has this fusion technology that they can pretty much do whatever they want with,
and hopefully they make the right decision. And it's up to Maximus to
make that decision. I'm very curious what he's gonna do. Maybe he might
just put a TV in every person's hands with a waterfall playing. I mean,
yea check that the Cooper movies over and over and stuff. So yeah,
hopefully the brother would still because he has that Dane person who is not
the greatest because they just I feel, you know, they lied about getting
her. They make them like say, oh yeah, Maximus is leader right
away, But hopefully he'll maybe curate some other friends that would help him make
some better choices or that will help him out in there. I don't know
if that will be a choice though. His choice might just be trying to
get the hell out of there right because he didn't want to be there and
he wants to be a Lucy. They do. We forgot to mention they
do kiss there like at the end and said I want to get together.
So I feel like I don't know what his his goals are probably just gonna
be oriented to get back to where Lucy is. So the Brothers still going
to be like, oh, this is a great idea, but really he
doesn't give a single f about what the Brotherhood steals really up to. So
a couple other things, Well, first of all, that ending sequence,
I didn't really love that. Maximis was just like knocked out and then Lucy
just leaves. It was just it was kind of weird. It was just
it seemed like a little, uh, a little sloppy the way that sequence
was done. Power the power being restored to like that whole area is like
a really interesting idea, Like it's something haven't really seen before from the game.
So I wonder what that's going to mean for a future season, if
we're going to like rehabitate this place in a more meaningful way. I mean,
it takes a lot more than power for a society run more better as
water, but maybe with water they can or with the power they can have
these water filtration system back and other things like this. But either way,
that's a really that's a cool setup. That's the kind of thing that I'm
happy with where we leave it for the end of season one, and it's
fun to pick up with season two rather than feeling shorthanded like I did with
some of these other storylines. And I think that's cool that that's kind of
like, you know, this this the mcguffin. I guess that the season
was like the head and for the most part we didn't really know what it
was going to lead to, but that's what it was in the end,
So I think that was pretty cool the way that worked out. And then
I mean, I guess we also got like a tease of like New Vegas
at the end of this Yeah wait, I know the helmet. I don't
never played the game, but that, like on the cover was kind of
iconic, so right, and just looking out at the the Yeah, the
strip, So obviously that's my favorite follow a game. That's very exciting for
me. But also, yeah, timeline wise, I'm curious where that would
line up with things, because I think that's where this show can shine,
where there are crossover elements or story lore things with the with the Games,
of course, but from most parts, it's own characters, it's own story.
But if they're doing a New Vegas thing and they're even introducing characters that
were big in that game, like Mister House and these other factions and like
the different buildings that are going on there, like that would be interesting if
they do their take on that, and that's more of a one to one
thing to the Games. But even then within New Vegas, you can do
all different ways that the story will go depending on your choices too, so
obviously the show would have to pick one that they think is the most interesting,
so so yeah, but then obviously they're picking up with the characters that
we already know. So either way, it's exciting in theory just to go
there and go see what that's like. Whether it's before the events of New
Vegas, after during midway through, I don't know, but that's exciting for
me. I'm excited to see. Hopefully we do get that season two and
we can go there. Mm hmm. Yeah, that was a fun tease,
and I am curious to see what they if that would be throughout the
season, if there would just be an episode where they go to that location,
and you meet with those characters kind of like what we had a vault
for right where it's there's a cliffhanger, there's an episode with them and then
you move on, right. I could see them doing that with the New
Vegas crew or aesthetic and stuff, so or they got to get something there.
That's where the Ghoules family ended up, right as in New Vegas,
like who knows? So yeah, I thought that was an interesting tease.
Again. Yeah, hopefully we hear some about season two sooner rather than later.
So mm hmmm. I had two really quick things to mention. One
is I I just love to see the Uh. I should know his name,
Lucy's brother, and do we remember his name? Anyone have IMDb the
character name or the action name? No, the character name, No,
I'll find out. Yeah. Anyway, the brother, I mean, yeah,
he was the exposition machine. I thought he was fun to follow a
round though, to get all that information, and particularly when he's in the
overseer overseer Betty's office. I like when he's hacking into the terminal, just
to see that because it's like one to one of the game. Uh norm
Yeah, removing the removing the duds and picking the right word. I thought
that was fun. And then also I really like that sequence when the uh
lucy gets the head and then the head gets taken into the water by that
creature creature I've never seen before but had like the fingers in its mouth.
I just thought that whole sequence was was really fun and that was a really
h That was a great creature they designed for That was was just good,
classic nasty looking Fallout stuff. So I was into that uh in my search
because I forgot I searched it earlier, so it was in a different tab.
The show was formally announced in twenty twenty, so it was three years
after the Basement days. But maybe we just talked about it, yeah,
twenty twenty, so yeah, because I figured it must be like Fallout four
was the biggest game in the series by a large amount. I think maybe
just during the fault before we talked about that. You could do a great
TV show a Fallout if you were maybe listen to that review. I bet
it's in. I should go back and listen to that review. That would
be interesting. Yeah, I would love to hear it. I think I
had some good thoughts. Yeah, you said you two things done. You
said about the did the hacking and the creature? Okay, yeah, yeah,
the creature. I was happy with this showed. I think that's the
lightest part. When you are as far as the CGI. It's tough because
I think they did a good job of trying to make them in water because
a few times are lighting, you know, shows it there. But I
think the amount they used those type of monsters is sparingly and I think that's
that's a good idea. So do you feel anything else? Oh, let's
see, do I have anything in my notes? I had first had a
pretty crazy theory, but it was debunked, so I'm not going to go
into that. No, Well, what was the theory? What was it?
A baby? I originally started to deduce that maybe Betty Pearson, the
former Overseer thirty three, was actually going to be Goggin's daughter all grown up.
Oh but not the case, because we see her a younger her in
the office yeah, in those last episodes. But I was starting to think,
like, Okay, maybe this is actually the daughter. I mean,
spoiler for Fallout four here, but I mean that's like the plot of that
game is that you're looking for your kid who was you know, frozen at
the same time. And then when you go find your kid, your kid's
like a freaking grandparent and you're like a little baby compared to them. So
that would be something that the games have done before. So they're a little
shady because I had to kill my very shady over there killed. Yeah,
us, he went down a bad path. You know, I just had
to do what I had to do. Okay, yikes, I'm just saying
mean, he's an evil fucking guy. Like I wouldn't I need to know
why we're killing. I'd say like, like, let's kill a bunch of
No, it's bad, but like it's like the peak of evil. But
yeah, of course he has some sort of pitch where he's like, well,
X, Y and Z, this will be great. But you're so
like there's a lot of like the where he got to you feel like there's
a lot of different routes where you could go, and he doesn't have any
wiggle room on this. It's like, no, this is what we have
to reason. Yeah, it's like elder now. Yeah, and I did
have to check. Yeah, Betty was the same actress who plays blind Al
in Deadpool movies. Sometime. Yeah, I looked recognized her and I just
want to check now into the tomb. But yeah, so play Fault four
two and you can decide if you kill your kid or not. I have
to forget that I spoiled that he won't get to it. He's got play.
Go play New Vegas inside. I know you said you started it,
but that's that's the lame. Go finish it. You got it done?
Is that? And that all your notes here? That's it. That's it.
Okay, give us your friend thoughts on Rain Taylor. Overall, I
am really really surprised by this show, and I shouldn't be because I feel
like Amazon Prime has just been knocking out of the park with their shows.
They do a really really good, really really good job. And this has
motivated me to want to go and play the Fallout games. It really really
has. What is it motivated to do? Yeah, so I know where
you're going with that. I think that this show is it's it's something that
would have benefited from being weekly. I really think that they should have stuck
to that kind of a platform. It would have been great. But here
we are. We've gotten through all the episodes, and I think that this
show will benefit greatly with having a season two, there's a lot more stories
to tell, and I think that these characters are definitely worth exploring. So
I think that this kind of a film or sorry show is what Borderlands could
have benefited off of being more like I feel like these two worlds share a
similarity to some degree. But this is something I would prioritize immensely over what
they're doing with the Borderlands movie and I canna have it's like dramatic enough because
I feel like Fault four is zany, but they have many very dramatic beats
from it, at least from what like with Fault four, Like what I
played is there's like, oh, I could see how this could be a
movie, TV show. Bordlands. Do they have that? I just feel
like what I remember the not many, but there are a couple a couple
of dramatic emotional moments. But it's very very zany, very very zany.
I'm sure they're gonna hit those all in the movies with Kevin har They're not
doing any drama all Zane in that movie. For no, Kevin hard Jack
Black, that cast is not bringing in the dramatic piece. No, no,
no, it's not. But yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead
and give this this show a we sloppy eight out of ten. I think
it definitely deserves sloppy, sweet sloppy. I definitely had a really good time
with this, and like I said, it had so many things I was
not expecting. Motivates me to want to play the games, and I feel
like that's that's what you want Adaptation to do. It wants you to wants
to motivate you to go and check out more of this universe. So kudos
to them. If you look at the charts of multiple places game wise,
like you can see the all Fault games bumping and stuff like that, So
that's a job. I think they might be a little kicking themselves. So
hopefully there's a season two and three. So I know Fault Game is far
away, but it is, like, you know, it's just kind of
funny where we live in this world where Last has come out, not Last
this game in sight. That's why I keep doing these remasters right like this
when they're like, oh, we're going to recreate it, but deil mass
final thoughts here. Yeah, I you know, this is a show I
definitely need to rewatch and I think I will do that sooner rather than later.
Really just feel like there's certain things I missed or I don't know,
certain things I could dig more into on that second watch, you know,
even like I'm sure there's various things I forgot to mention on this for you,
just because cramon like eight hours in over the course of a few days,
Like my notes were already such a mess, And I'm sure I just
missed a few things that we could have really dug deep onto. So maybe
I'll revisit those things if I ever do that rewatch. But yeah, I'm
really glad this show exists. It's it was a lot better than I was
expecting, and that makes me happy. It makes me want to go play
follow it, which is I guess I don't know if that's the job of
the show, but it's doing a job, which is good stuff for me.
So yeah, overall, I had a good time with this, and
I really hope we get that season two. Yeah, I think for me,
I'm gonna go I'm with Delan where I need to rewatch. I think
I'm at like I'll go a little hotter than tear, like an eight point
five. I think a rewatch could get me to a nine. I don't
think it's anyone lower than it. I don't think I rewatch goal it's gonna
go down. There's some stuff I'd want to take in and maybe even like
Ta said earlier, when you watch it now knowing a couple of twists,
k how these things play, So I think it could go up. But
I think the beginning was a bit sore. There's a few little issues I
have here. Maybe I would have liked a bit more zaniness, because I
feel like that kind of comes and goes in waves at times, which I
know you don't want to be that the way the whole time, but I
feel like sometimes we take almost like an episode break for it, and then
they'd make up for it by oh, we're gonna throw this weird sex scene,
or oh we're gonna throw this weird doctor, but kind of have that
almost throughout, you know, like almost that consistent tone. Like I feel
like when you're watching a Tarantino movie, there's a section where it's really dramatic,
but even in that section, like something kind of weirdly funny is happening,
Like Tarantino doesn't really take a break. It's like Okay, this is
my style is where it is where this show I think had that at times,
but yeah, I'll go eight point five really good. I'd have to
look, but I think I could companibly say it's top three because it's last
of us and I don't know what else is out there for real games stuff
like I'd have to look at a list, but I feel like this is
probably there might be number two for me as far as stuff that's adapted.
So I'm very happy. This is a great start, like they could be
even bit after a rewatch and hope we get more because I think this is
a type of show too to me where it's like with the New Vegas thing.
Not that I'm saying, oh, they should dive into it, but
if they can nail this tone and the type of world building, like you
sitting the fun side quests, I could buy we're doing a fault in New
Vegas show or just like once these characters end, like we're gonna do new
characters. Like I don't think it's so tied like it has to be about
Lucy and the Ghoul, like you could do multiple seasons of different characters.
So I think it presents itself that way, Uh, mister Taylorfield a Geekris
podcast, would it be above or below the Witcher? I consider it a
video game or is that a book? Out of page? Yeah, it's
close to the say the book, I have to If I'm comparing season one,
then I would put the Witcher above that, so if it was true.
But at the same point, I never finished Witcher's season three. That
whole Havel announcement thing just killed me. Me and the only got to three
episodes and we've never gone back. I want to, but that whole cav's
not coming back, I feel like, and you can see the numbers that
show dip. So I think season one, even if it's at that it's
a video game book thing, I would put the Witcher above this. But
uh, you know that's that's good quality there, so you should do.
That'd be fun cast, I think do our video game adaptation rankings do Yeah,
there's not too many too that you could kind of you know, tay
you can speak on Resident Evil and stuff like that, So yeah, I
think there'd be a fun Rcanes up there. That's a good one. Yeah.
Maybe I don't play league, but maybe that's a good brand. Butter
once we finish our season of X, that'd be a good one to pick
up for ranking some video game adaptions and stuff, and we'll throw a couple
in there. But yeah, that's it Fallout. Hopefully we will be back
when there's a season two announcement. That could be eight years now, but
hopefully that will happen. Thank you very much for listening. If you have
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