1 00:00:08,599 --> 00:00:12,320 Hey everyone, I'm Matt and welcome to The Good Trouble Show. Today we 2 00:00:12,439 --> 00:00:18,000 have retired Air Force staff sergeant and whistleblower Mario Woods with one hell of a 3 00:00:18,039 --> 00:00:21,960 compelling story. But first, do us a solid hit that thumbs up and 4 00:00:22,039 --> 00:00:25,640 subscribe a button. Also, leave us a comment let us know what you 5 00:00:25,679 --> 00:00:30,679 think about this interview. We're also podcasting on all platforms, so if you 6 00:00:30,719 --> 00:00:33,880 feel like listening to our show on the drive to work, just search for 7 00:00:34,039 --> 00:00:39,000 The Good Trouble Show with Matt Ford. Finally, your financial support enables us 8 00:00:39,039 --> 00:00:43,079 to bring you this show with exceptional guests. You can become a Patreon supporter 9 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:49,000 for the monthly price of a Starbucks coffee. 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Recently, whistleblowers have been testifying under oath about their own experience 20 00:01:30,879 --> 00:01:36,280 with UAP during their time in the government. We are joined today by one 21 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:41,239 such whistleblower, retired Air Force staff Sergeant Mario Woods. Mario, how are 22 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:42,719 you? That's what I need to do because I was in the Boy Scouts 23 00:01:42,719 --> 00:01:47,719 blowing up possible or cub scouts in the Boy Scouts, so I have to 24 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,680 stop you. I just realized I made a we had a little technical bug 25 00:01:51,719 --> 00:01:56,519 here, and it looks like your audio was muted, so everyone was hearing 26 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,519 me, which I can tell you they would much rather be listening let's to 27 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:05,280 you then than me. So sorry, uh sorry for our it's been it's 28 00:02:05,359 --> 00:02:10,280 been a kind of a technical badge juju this morning uplifting tweets. He just 29 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:15,680 uh he just uh he just texted, So anyway, sorry about that. 30 00:02:15,199 --> 00:02:19,120 Uh So, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna back up, actually 31 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:23,879 so uh so, yeah, so again just kind of briefly give us your 32 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:31,080 background before you've got into the got into the Air Force. Oh and we're 33 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:36,520 hitting the rewind button. Athletic kind of guy. I did race. I 34 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,719 did race a lot of motocross, and I really enjoyed that sport as a 35 00:02:38,759 --> 00:02:44,080 beautiful sport. And I got to see some of the best racing on the 36 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:50,560 planet in southern California for UH seventy one seventy two World Ground Pries and see 37 00:02:50,599 --> 00:02:53,439 all the Europeans when they used to dominate the sport which is now supercross today 38 00:02:54,199 --> 00:02:58,759 in stadiums, and this was all outdoor motocross. And I raised quite a 39 00:02:58,759 --> 00:03:01,039 bit and went to high sto school, tried to learn to serve, but 40 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:05,759 I got killed and didn't do that anymore. Got in a wave of a 41 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:10,360 shark one time. Didn't like that. Then we moved back to Tampa, 42 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,840 Florida, and it was just a short period of time. Later in seventy 43 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:19,719 three when our father was involved in a car accident real early in the morning 44 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:24,400 and it took his life and it changed everything for my entire family. And 45 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:30,080 just couldn't go in the Navy, so I enlisted in the Air Force. 46 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:34,159 I went in, delayed, enlisted, my program just so I could. 47 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,800 I would come out of and for six years, and I would come out 48 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,400 of Basic as an Airman first Class versus an Airman Basic or an airman. 49 00:03:43,919 --> 00:03:47,680 Okay, So so you go through Basic, go through basic training, and 50 00:03:47,759 --> 00:03:54,800 then your next assignment is is what, Oh, I'm sorry? Well, 51 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:59,520 you know, you go through basic training as an overall general training program, 52 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,199 and then you specialize in whatever career field that you're going into. A mine 53 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,560 was security police BM and I couldn't wire rocket engine because I'm color blind. 54 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:13,400 But anyhow, you go through air based ground defense training, which is very 55 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,959 substantial and it's about six weeks in duration, and then you know, you 56 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:20,639 live at a prisoner of war camp and that was a lot of fun, 57 00:04:20,759 --> 00:04:26,319 and you do a whole lot of real technical training and a lot of sensitive 58 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:33,839 nuclear materials based training for the nuclear platforms or whatever weapon storage programs that you 59 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:40,279 would later be involved with. There are two different classification in law enforcement in 60 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,519 the Air Force, and one is ellis or law enforcement. The other was 61 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:48,079 security police, and they're both police officers, but security police more dealt with 62 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:56,720 or dealt with like runway functions, weapons storage areas, that type of thing, 63 00:04:56,759 --> 00:05:02,000 whereas the law enforcement personnel more or less troll the base facilities and operations, 64 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,160 base housing. We all worked together. We just had different assignments, 65 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:10,279 but it was it was a very good thing and I really enjoyed it, 66 00:05:10,319 --> 00:05:12,920 and I'll do it again if they'd have me. Even though I'm sixty seven. 67 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,879 I still go back today. But my first base of assignment was there 68 00:05:15,879 --> 00:05:21,360 Elseworth Air Force Base after Basic and all said technical training in schools, and 69 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,879 that was a real surprise to me because I've never meant in that DA code 70 00:05:27,959 --> 00:05:31,600 is at all. And it's an absolutely beautiful place and I could live there 71 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,759 today. I got to go back there in twenty twenty, I believe, 72 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:40,720 I think it was twenty twenty with that Discovery Plus channel and relived the whole 73 00:05:40,759 --> 00:05:44,639 thing and go to all the different sites, which everything's decommissioned, but it's 74 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,519 all still there and it's really unique. And all the roads, I knew 75 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:53,839 them like the back of my hand. It's like it's roadmapped into me as 76 00:05:53,879 --> 00:05:57,240 well as my ALRDA is. You know, I know my way there. 77 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,519 I don't know how to say how else to say that, but well, 78 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,120 let's say so we got some photos from you here that I'd like to bring 79 00:06:04,199 --> 00:06:09,680 up and we'll start with some of the earlier ones that you had, um 80 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:13,240 and just would love to get your comments on it. So h so this 81 00:06:13,319 --> 00:06:15,160 is you. How old are you there? This is you? And your 82 00:06:15,199 --> 00:06:19,560 mom may take it that me my mama? Yeah, my mom. She's 83 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:25,600 she passed kind of early, about fifty three years old. And yeah, 84 00:06:25,759 --> 00:06:30,319 I think I was probably tim there or something like that. I guess summer 85 00:06:30,639 --> 00:06:32,759 maybe. But yeah, that was a fun morning. And it's funny how 86 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,240 you see a picture and you can remember that day. I remember today. 87 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:43,920 Well, she was a great lady, best cook in the world, and 88 00:06:44,319 --> 00:06:48,839 taught me how to fry chicken Southern cooking man. Yeah, yeah, southern 89 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:53,279 Southern cooking. Yeah. Okay. Then that this was another one I thought 90 00:06:53,319 --> 00:06:57,879 was interesting. Tell us about this. Yeah, this is This is a 91 00:06:57,959 --> 00:07:02,560 real strange vessel. This is the Marine Salt of Queen. Then my father 92 00:07:02,759 --> 00:07:09,120 served on this vessel up till about nineteen sixty three or two. I believe 93 00:07:11,639 --> 00:07:15,079 it may have been in port in Port Arthur, Texas. I'm sure if 94 00:07:15,079 --> 00:07:19,600 it's date of sinking. But this vessel is in Charles Berlitz's book The Bermuda 95 00:07:19,639 --> 00:07:25,279 Triangle, and my father had two cousins on this boat, and when my 96 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,839 dad got off of it, he was a twenty ninth person and I think 97 00:07:28,879 --> 00:07:32,079 he was a third engineer. Okay, he got an offer from Texico and 98 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,120 that's why he got off of it in Port Arthur. But prior to getting 99 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:40,680 off of it, she was port side as you see her right now, 100 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,879 at a dock in Port Arthur, Texas, where we lived. My father 101 00:07:44,959 --> 00:07:47,480 took me on that vessel and holding my hand, and back then there were 102 00:07:47,519 --> 00:07:53,759 no laws concerning a gangway being netted, so there's no you know, nothing 103 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,839 to catch you. And my greatest fear at I was like five years old, 104 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:03,519 holding my dad's hand with my left hand, and I remembered the distance 105 00:08:03,519 --> 00:08:07,839 between those steps on that gangway and the gangway was really tall. And I 106 00:08:07,959 --> 00:08:13,360 later worked for a ship maritime shipping company in my life, so I always 107 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,959 paid attention to growing up gangways, you know, and it seemed as if 108 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,759 the steps back then were a lot further apart. Of course, I was 109 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:24,600 a lot smaller, but I lost my shoe going up that up that gangway 110 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,000 that night. But my father took me up there, and so he went 111 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,480 there to gather his stuff and say good bye the way shipmates, and I 112 00:08:31,519 --> 00:08:33,759 had to walk around with one shoe on, one shoe off. And my 113 00:08:33,759 --> 00:08:37,320 mother wasn't happy with that when I got home, because my you know, 114 00:08:37,399 --> 00:08:41,639 all the oil and the stains they were on the deck of a vessel's pretty 115 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:46,600 bad. Oh god, Yeah, Okay, she sank. Now she sank 116 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:52,320 on sterious conditions and dry tortoogos or the tongue of the ocean down on the 117 00:08:52,399 --> 00:08:56,240 south and south end of Florida. And nothing was ever found except in the 118 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,799 very center of the vessel on the very top of that flat bridge. There's 119 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:05,799 a name played up there and it said marine sulfa queen and they found sulf 120 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:07,759 on Miami Beach. And I don't know what year that was, but it 121 00:09:07,799 --> 00:09:11,960 was on the news. And that's all I've ever found over nobodies know nothing. 122 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:16,399 Wow, mysterious delitz right about it? All right, let's let's have 123 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,120 a look at this next one here. I particularly like this, so what 124 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:26,679 is going on there? It was just acting crazy. That was that Herbert 125 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,840 Field in Florida. I believe we were on an exercise, and of course 126 00:09:30,879 --> 00:09:33,600 we had to pitch a tent. I just dug a trough with that knife 127 00:09:33,639 --> 00:09:35,919 around my whole around the whole tent, you know, just a few inches 128 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:41,799 deep to run off water because we were expecting rain. So somebody just said, 129 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:43,320 hey man, I'm taking a picture, and I just did that and 130 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,399 threw that, threw that in my mouth and did it like a fool. 131 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,320 So that's all there was to that. We were under for a large exercise 132 00:09:50,399 --> 00:09:56,679 with the army and Air Force personnel from many different bases, and so it 133 00:09:56,759 --> 00:09:58,799 was always a good time. Really was a great time. So the air 134 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,279 work guys, see you guys got along fine with the with the army guys. 135 00:10:03,919 --> 00:10:05,519 Yeah. Yeah, there was a little spatting every now and then, 136 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,000 a little some bad jokes like you know on the latrines, you know, 137 00:10:09,039 --> 00:10:13,360 were normally like where they brought you. Fifty guys can be in there at 138 00:10:13,399 --> 00:10:18,039 the same time. Everything's got big troughs. You know. Sure rangers walk 139 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:22,200 in and they're walking out and somebody you hear so pop and fizz, they'll 140 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:26,159 throw a smoke grenade behind them, you know, the plates out. Yeah, 141 00:10:26,159 --> 00:10:31,360 that sounds like my high you know, that sounds like my high school 142 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,399 days. Having fireworks fights, uh in the backyard with with with my buddies, 143 00:10:37,519 --> 00:10:41,120 definitely good times. Okay. So um, before we really start digging 144 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:45,360 into this, So okay, so you're assigned to to a nuclear missile base. 145 00:10:45,639 --> 00:10:52,960 So so describe for those that don't understand how our nuclear missiles are set 146 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:56,399 up. Described us how a nuclear base is set up, and then what 147 00:10:56,639 --> 00:11:01,960 exactly your job was, and then we'll show start showing some of the photos 148 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:07,799 that you said. Okay, Ellsworth Air Force Base was the main support base, 149 00:11:07,919 --> 00:11:16,279 and Ellsworth also supported a strategic aircraft wing uploaded ready to go bombers and 150 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:22,879 at that time they would be fifty two ACE models and the missile field as 151 00:11:22,919 --> 00:11:26,519 I would call it, it was three squadrons. You had really had three 152 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,120 sectors to sixty six, sixty seventh, and sixty eighth, and that means 153 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:35,759 like down by the bad Lands there were five existing facilities there. Then in 154 00:11:35,799 --> 00:11:41,000 the center area of just up to the north of Ellsworth you had five additional 155 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:46,080 launch control facilities, and then up near Sturgis all the way to the Wyoming 156 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:50,320 border you had five more. So you had a total of fifteen lunch control 157 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:54,039 facilities where you lived. And these missiles were spread everywhere. As I said, 158 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:58,000 I stated, like from the bad Lands all the way over to the 159 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:03,360 Wyoming state line, all the way north to probably half the way or two 160 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:09,159 north Dakota, and then that would that would coordinate with my not Air Force 161 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,679 base. Then you had Maelstrom you know in Montana and fe Warren in Wyoming. 162 00:12:13,759 --> 00:12:16,440 So that formed the Central United States. You know, ready minute Men 163 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,600 two missile network, and these were minute Men two rockets, so they're a 164 00:12:20,639 --> 00:12:24,840 little bit larger than the minute Men ones and they're all solid fewer rockets. 165 00:12:24,159 --> 00:12:31,919 So and we maintained security over those particular sites where we lived for three days 166 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,440 at a time and then offer three to four days depending upon you know, 167 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,279 what the rotation of the shift was. And we worked shifts from six am 168 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:43,080 to six pm or six pm to six am, and on duty, it 169 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,279 didn't even given a time. There would be three security police officers and there 170 00:12:46,279 --> 00:12:52,600 would be a flight security controller who dispatched his team, which would be myself 171 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:58,120 and another member or a leader. And until I became I was placed in 172 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:03,480 the role of flight security controller, so they have direct communication with the officers 173 00:13:03,519 --> 00:13:07,600 under stairs. I guess the staffing of a launch control facility or six security 174 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:13,879 police officers, a facility manager a site cook, and you have four officers, 175 00:13:13,919 --> 00:13:18,000 which are your missile launch officers. Two are on duty unity given time. 176 00:13:18,039 --> 00:13:22,240 They're underground about sixty to seventy five feet in the capsule. That capsule 177 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:26,000 is secured the flight Security control or any upper office secure as a door that 178 00:13:26,159 --> 00:13:30,799 enters the elevator to that area and controls all access to it, and we 179 00:13:30,879 --> 00:13:37,519 back him up accordingly. When we discatch to a unaffected alarmed missile site, 180 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:43,320 there's a certain we should say, a coat, not a code, but 181 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:48,360 a number given to what the alarm could be. And everything's a different situation, 182 00:13:48,399 --> 00:13:50,240 and that's what we used to call them sits, like a SIT six 183 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:54,440 or SIT four or whatever it may be. We primarily handle those two, 184 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,559 but we had a lot of launch facility checks at all time, just like 185 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,879 you do normal controls. If you're police officer and no outside you were checking 186 00:14:01,919 --> 00:14:05,879 a bank down compared to a chamber of commerce building or anything like that, 187 00:14:05,919 --> 00:14:15,039 it's the same difference, but just displaced that for nuclear weaponry. And okay, 188 00:14:15,039 --> 00:14:18,759 so we've got a few photos here, so this is so this is 189 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:24,279 uh so, this is one of the minuteman ICBMs here that that's correct standing 190 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:30,440 on the right. Now, that's a that's a photograph commemorating that particular event 191 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:35,200 of that day of the Strategic Air Wing and it's the forty four Strategic Air 192 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:39,879 Wing, as we were the forty fourth Missile Security Squadron there and it might 193 00:14:39,919 --> 00:14:48,720 be with with you know, the I guess the announcement of both strategic air 194 00:14:48,799 --> 00:14:52,519 and missile combination. I'm really not sure. But that is on display at 195 00:14:52,519 --> 00:14:58,519 the Rapid City Airport and it's there's really a great bunch of photos. I 196 00:14:58,519 --> 00:15:03,480 could only get so many over to you real quick, but I stood there 197 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:07,879 for forty five minutes taking pictures of pictures the last time when I flew there 198 00:15:07,879 --> 00:15:11,799 in twenty twenty that I'd never had before. But it was really quite a 199 00:15:11,399 --> 00:15:16,480 quite quite a facility. And at any given time at Elsworth there were about 200 00:15:16,519 --> 00:15:20,480 eight hundred and fifteen security police officers. So I was told once that once 201 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:24,039 out of one of every four people that you met on base was a security 202 00:15:24,039 --> 00:15:28,679 policeman. I could be wrong about that, That's what I was once told. 203 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:35,759 Now this here is is this is this on the job. That's a 204 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:39,720 that's at Sanda National Laboratory, and I'm a quec in New Mexico out on 205 00:15:39,759 --> 00:15:43,480 the bat hundred acres per se what we were doing, We just came out 206 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,519 of a gas house on that a gas shoot house, and this was a 207 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:54,200 security response team training for the United States Department of Energy. Okay later, 208 00:15:54,679 --> 00:15:56,639 yeah, yeah, so well, yeah, we'll chat about that later. 209 00:15:56,679 --> 00:16:03,399 So I think this one is probably more more appropriate as that is. And 210 00:16:03,799 --> 00:16:07,919 right there would be like Kilo six site. Now that wasn't taken when I 211 00:16:07,039 --> 00:16:11,240 was there, but that's the configuration that we would be in and they would 212 00:16:11,279 --> 00:16:15,039 be in today, and that would be pretty much ready to go with a 213 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,840 Catillac gage rumber personnel carrier, a fifty kun done on on top of it. 214 00:16:18,159 --> 00:16:22,559 There's one on the ground also fire teams or qRT teams, and I 215 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:26,120 believe there's a helicopter, but I can't see. That's in the upper left 216 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,759 hand portion of that picture. And that would be a quick reaction for us 217 00:16:29,879 --> 00:16:33,519 coming from the main support base at Ellsworth. That's that base is fifty five 218 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,799 miles away from where I was located and away from most of the other launch 219 00:16:37,799 --> 00:16:42,159 control facilities when you lived out there, got it, Okay, So let's 220 00:16:42,159 --> 00:16:48,080 look at the facility. So there's that and then so so what are we 221 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:56,440 looking at here? That is November one today and there've been decommissioned. And 222 00:16:56,679 --> 00:17:00,080 in that door that's on the lower lets on the left. Through that door, 223 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:07,359 that door was normally kept seal from the inside would be the elevator chaft 224 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:12,200 to go underground approximately sixty to seventy feet where the capsule was located in the 225 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:18,200 officers. But I just took that picture because I, you know, I 226 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:23,720 couldn't believe that the site was still there and that you know, just and 227 00:17:23,839 --> 00:17:30,160 just bring back so many memories. And even that antenna that you see above 228 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,240 the roofline. I helped erect that thing the day that it came out. 229 00:17:33,599 --> 00:17:37,880 A bunch of us out there. If we had we had three it was 230 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,720 for TV reception. I mean it looks like a great antenna for that, 231 00:17:40,799 --> 00:17:45,119 doesn't it. Yeah, But we only had three channels, ABC, CBS 232 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:49,480 and NBC and they all ended their signal a broadcast at twelve o'clock at night. 233 00:17:49,559 --> 00:17:53,920 So you got that old crazy symbol up. And that's the front part 234 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,640 of the facility. That's the that's where the flat security controller would be. 235 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:03,920 And that's the door that actually stepped out of that night when I viewed this 236 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:11,279 craft to the east at about a thirty degree rise on the horizon and due 237 00:18:11,279 --> 00:18:14,640 east of my position where I was standing. Now, what is this here? 238 00:18:15,839 --> 00:18:22,960 That is November five missile site. When they were decommissioned, they removed 239 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,759 everything that was underground. The silo was all caved in or exploded in, 240 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,119 filled with rock, but they left the bed of rock there and the fencing. 241 00:18:30,839 --> 00:18:36,319 So these areas were the highest points for a lot of these ranchers that 242 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:41,279 owned these pieces of property that were released for ninety nine years. And instead 243 00:18:41,279 --> 00:18:48,359 of their hay, as you can see there is hay getting wet being stored 244 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,400 elsewhere. It was up and above you know, the normal elevation of the 245 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:57,240 surrounding prairie, so it would stay dry. So those were really select areas 246 00:18:57,279 --> 00:19:03,680 that these ranchers quickly captured to because it would be more than Demai I have 247 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,480 two or three sites on his property. So of these ranchers out there in 248 00:19:06,559 --> 00:19:10,160 fifty sixty eighty thousand acres of land, you know, and land has been 249 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:14,920 in their family since the eighteen hundreds, since it was settled, so they 250 00:19:15,079 --> 00:19:18,880 kind of prized that because you know, the government left the fencing fencing goes 251 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,519 down about four feet in the ground also, and it's heavily rocked. Today 252 00:19:22,519 --> 00:19:29,200 there's a cattle processing building made of metal red and white that's sitting on November 253 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:33,759 five. So this was just part of that time. And this is November 254 00:19:33,759 --> 00:19:38,720 five from an aerial view of Google Earth. Now, so what described this 255 00:19:38,799 --> 00:19:44,160 map here? If you want? Okay, that's Schuler Ellsworth Air Force Basis 256 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:48,839 and in conjunction to where November one is located. But I'll go can you 257 00:19:48,839 --> 00:19:53,000 follow that to to my left? You go up the highway of ninety to 258 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,680 Sturgis, and in Highway seventy nine, as you can see, goes straight 259 00:19:56,799 --> 00:20:00,480 up. It's go straight through sturd Just we should stop there and get food 260 00:20:00,559 --> 00:20:04,599 on our way out to our site and come up, come straight up through 261 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:08,000 Bear Butte and which looks like a bear laying on its side. There's a 262 00:20:08,079 --> 00:20:14,880 National memorial up there also cemetery, and and you're straight on Nineway seventy nine 263 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,759 was November one. First, you passed through the small town of Newell, 264 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:23,000 which is not shown there. And there it is that the upper above the 265 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:27,640 Neisland Road, you can see Newell. And we were just out eight and 266 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:33,920 a half miles I guess from Newell out to November one, and it would 267 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:38,440 be on the left of Highway seventy nine. Got it. Okay, So 268 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:44,240 so let's um, I'm trying to think. I think we've kind of um. 269 00:20:44,279 --> 00:20:49,599 I shall want to show another another really good thing. So this this 270 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:55,519 was awarded what at your exit of the Air Force? What can you tell 271 00:20:55,559 --> 00:21:02,480 us about? Well, it was standboard evaluation, like as an overall, 272 00:21:03,079 --> 00:21:10,279 an overall test of your job performance and job knowledge and practicality of it and 273 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:15,559 what you do during a given situation. And I scored really really high on 274 00:21:15,599 --> 00:21:21,119 it, and they awarded My commander awarded it to me. So it was 275 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:27,440 just really nice to have and everybody needs one. I kind of stare, 276 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:33,359 sh sure, yeah, I agree. Now, so people kind of get 277 00:21:33,559 --> 00:21:40,119 a sense of the level of responsibility. So you're you're literally guarding a fly 278 00:21:40,279 --> 00:21:45,400 to missiles, which are what flight of ten nuclear tipped ICBMs. These things 279 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:51,759 have more destructive power than Hiroshima, capable of just wiping out a whole city, 280 00:21:51,839 --> 00:21:56,119 right, Yeah, Well they were one point two megaton weapons, and 281 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,519 I think Hiroshima, I'm not really sure to size that. I don't think 282 00:21:59,559 --> 00:22:02,279 it was a get time. I think it was quite smaller than that. 283 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,640 I don't want to say a number, because you know, people try to 284 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,119 hold you to and I hold me to anything I say. But I just 285 00:22:08,279 --> 00:22:11,759 I don't know the number. I just know it smaller than a mega time 286 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:15,799 now and sorry, go ahead, no, no, no, we have 287 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:19,720 We are responsible for ten missiles at each launch control facility, which comprised or 288 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:25,759 made up one hundred and fifty total men and men two missiles at Ellsworth Air 289 00:22:25,799 --> 00:22:29,839 Force Base. And I only say Ellsworth because that's the main support base. 290 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,680 And you're dispatched everywhere in the missile field, whether you go down towards the 291 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,599 bad Lands and the Echo area or Delta area, or or the sixty eighth 292 00:22:37,599 --> 00:22:45,200 area where I was located in November, Kilo area. Every launch control facilities 293 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:51,920 were responsible for ten missiles, and you patrol those missiles just like they're your 294 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,720 best friend, you know. I mean, you go out there and you 295 00:22:53,839 --> 00:22:59,279 check them every day. You do fence patrols, you do internal fence patrols. 296 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,880 You and you escort teams to there to do maintenance. You maybe you 297 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,680 have to coordinate. There may be people flown out by helicopter to land on 298 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,799 the site, and you coordinate those that flight activity that they are authorized to 299 00:23:11,839 --> 00:23:15,079 be there, and you know, give them a hand signals bringing them in 300 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:19,720 or taking off or you know. That's your responsibility and it weighs heavily and 301 00:23:19,799 --> 00:23:22,920 everybody, so you just gotta do it what you gotta do. So what 302 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:30,559 kind of security clearance do you have to hold in order to protect these nuclear 303 00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:34,839 missile sites. Well, Bena, I didn't have direct access to the to 304 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:44,359 a nuclear u sensitive nuclear material at any time by myself, like like picking 305 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,759 up this cup, for instance, you can't do that. I had a 306 00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:53,799 secret impact along with everybody else out there. However, we also work no 307 00:23:53,920 --> 00:24:00,559 man or two men teams or it was two it was two people president at 308 00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:03,119 all. In anything in which we did, it was a no loan zone. 309 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,559 So you couldn't go in any areas by yourself that you weren't supposed to 310 00:24:07,599 --> 00:24:15,880 be ended involved nuclear weapons or nuclear materials or or resources. So it's always 311 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:22,640 with someone, right, and so this isn't a job that just anyone can 312 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:29,119 have the background checks, the clearance you have to have just because of this 313 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,920 awesome responsibility for such a powerful weapon, right absolutely, and you know it 314 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:38,200 goes much further than that. I mean you could. I mean, you 315 00:24:38,279 --> 00:24:42,160 know, we were authorized to us the deadly force and that could mean anything, 316 00:24:42,279 --> 00:24:45,519 you know, in a police type activity or duty that it be federal 317 00:24:45,599 --> 00:24:51,319 or state or what have you. But you know, assistant a car accident 318 00:24:51,559 --> 00:24:55,240 or what if you were in sturges and a bank robbery took place or something, 319 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,720 would you participate? Yeah? I would. I trying to save lives. 320 00:24:59,319 --> 00:25:02,039 And that's you know, that's what our charter is, just like a 321 00:25:02,079 --> 00:25:07,519 regular police officer, just we're in military uniform, operating unity to umc UMC 322 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:14,359 uniform Code of Military Justice. So anyway, that's that's how that's how we 323 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,240 worked. Okay, so let's jump to the to the story that I think 324 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,960 is. I've heard a lot of stories, and I've been in touch with 325 00:25:22,039 --> 00:25:26,839 Robert Hastings for quite some time, who wrote u UFO and nukes, and 326 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,759 boy, we old that guy a debt of a debt of gratitude for bringing 327 00:25:30,799 --> 00:25:37,680 this out into the open. So so in nineteen seventy seven, what happened 328 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:42,279 when you were on duty? M Well, really it just it was happenstance. 329 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:48,519 I U. It was extremely cold, and it was between like nine 330 00:25:48,519 --> 00:25:52,440 and thirteen degrees. Um. I was in uniform, of course, I 331 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,880 had on long John's and I worked at six pm to six am shift, 332 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,200 and it was our first day in the field. We had just gotten there 333 00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:02,880 that day, and I had a new partner that was his name was Michael 334 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,240 Johnson, who we've been trying to locate for years, and a lot of 335 00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:11,319 money's been spent trying to locate him. We'd be unsuccessful, and hopefully Arrow 336 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,160 can find him because they've got all the information I've got on him, and 337 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,920 if anybody can find him, they should be able to. But going back 338 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,720 to that, I just happened to step out the front door and you saw 339 00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:25,960 him that picture a little bit ago. I think it was number ten, 340 00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:32,839 and I was gonna smoked cigarettes and I was gonna just get out and get 341 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:37,359 some fresh air because we had steam heat inside the launch control facility and I 342 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,160 was always warm or always air conditioned. I mean it was they were very 343 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,519 comfortable facilities. You can never go wrong there. Food was great, everything 344 00:26:45,599 --> 00:26:48,079 was good. You were just out there three days at a time, you 345 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,440 know, with six other guys. But anyway, I stepped outside to smoke 346 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,200 a cigarette right out that front door, and I just was looking at the 347 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,599 sky like I always do, and I just happened to notice something that was 348 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:06,680 east of me at about a thirty degree level on the horizon. And at 349 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:11,400 first I honestly thought that it was B fifty two bombers, you know, 350 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,240 from the main base at Ellsworth, because we supported that strategic air wing there. 351 00:27:17,079 --> 00:27:19,400 Because then they have some really large landing lights. I don't know how 352 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,880 big they are, you know, size diameter wise, but they have some 353 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,920 really bright well, you know, aircraft has some bright lights anyway, so 354 00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:32,160 back then these are wartime aircraft, so they probably have brighter lights and commercial 355 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:37,000 birds due today, I don't know, but it looked as if the lights 356 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:42,000 were coming toward me, because it certainly wouldn't making a difference left or right, 357 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,559 which would have been north or south. And I just sat there from 358 00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:49,000 in watching it, and it was large enough to where if I put my 359 00:27:49,079 --> 00:27:55,880 hand up outstretched like this, it covered the lights. But if I did 360 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,000 this, the light was around my palm, around my hand, my fist. 361 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,720 Well, that's really strange, feel strange. And it was there for 362 00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:07,799 a while, I mean three or four or five minutes I'm watching it before 363 00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:11,559 I even thought about it. I just okay, could it be Venus or 364 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:18,279 Jupiter or something. No, it wasn't either. The moon wasn't big enough 365 00:28:18,319 --> 00:28:21,680 for the moon, but it was. It was larger any start ever seen, 366 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,880 and it was just in that position and it didn't move. That's what 367 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:32,119 I thought it was coming to me. So I don't know where the idea 368 00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:34,519 came from, and I guess it was working my dad. And I've seen 369 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,119 tug boats, I've seen you know, ships flash lights at each other at 370 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,319 sea and that kind of thing. And of course you've seen war movies where 371 00:28:42,359 --> 00:28:45,759 they'd flashed each other, you know, and you know, communicate that way. 372 00:28:45,759 --> 00:28:48,640 So I thought, well, I've got all these facility lash right here 373 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,960 behind me, so I'm gonna I'm gonna flash of lights at it. I 374 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,480 mean, to them, whoever was whoever was up there, had to look 375 00:28:56,519 --> 00:29:00,559 as if we're the only thing in the middle of that prairie. There are 376 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,720 no other there's no other lights out there at all. I don't even know 377 00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:07,640 how far I guessed to Bellefoush, which was I don't know, thirty five 378 00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:11,440 thirty nine miles away. Don't quote me, but I think, of course 379 00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:15,039 Newles behind me eight or nine miles, and I thought, well, I'll 380 00:29:15,079 --> 00:29:18,240 just go in here and I'll flip the lights at it. So they were 381 00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:23,000 either twelve or fourteen light cans on our perimeter and that's what they were, 382 00:29:23,079 --> 00:29:26,839 security perimeter lights. And they were on the building and on our fence line, 383 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:32,200 and of course they shone outward, you know, so we could see 384 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,160 anything coming towards us. We had electronic gates, we had you know, 385 00:29:34,319 --> 00:29:37,920 ten foot fences, and the entire facilities fenced in. And it's in the 386 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,839 facilities kind of hardened. So anyhow, or the above ground or below ground 387 00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:48,359 parts all hard and we could all get there we had to. But anyway, 388 00:29:48,359 --> 00:29:52,200 so I walked inside and a friend of mine, Bill sar staffs areder 389 00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:56,240 Bill Holliman, was on the phone and I said, hey, Bill, 390 00:29:56,279 --> 00:30:00,519 I said, I see something out here. And we worked together before down 391 00:30:00,839 --> 00:30:03,359 at another site. But anyway, I said, there's there's something in the 392 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,720 area out here. I said, in the atmosphere, and I said, 393 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,599 I think it's Beefy. I think it's Buffs or that's a nickname. I 394 00:30:08,599 --> 00:30:12,599 think he lived in Rampad City. I'm not sure, but I said, 395 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,319 I'm gonna flip it for civility lights at it, you might he didn't even 396 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,160 he just kind of looked up and just kind of waved me off, you 397 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,880 know. So sure enough, I just reached up and just flipped the lights 398 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,960 at this thing, and all eyes go off and on, just a little 399 00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:27,960 rocker. It's like a twist switch and off on, off, on, 400 00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:32,880 off on. Did have three or four times walked back outside right where I 401 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,400 was standing maybe twenty feet outside the door, looking to him. I ride 402 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:41,960 in east at about thirty degrees and there's that humped and I'd been standing or 403 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,000 maybe fifteen twenty seconds, and all of a sudden it blinked off, blinked 404 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,039 on, blinked dog, blinked on, blinked dog, and came back on. 405 00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:52,519 So at three times it did that, and I just went wow, 406 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,880 it answered me. Not knowing what it was, I really honestly thought it 407 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,160 was an aircraft, and I thought, well, that's strange, and see 408 00:31:00,279 --> 00:31:03,160 you, but it's not getting any closer, and I should be hearing something. 409 00:31:03,119 --> 00:31:10,839 I should be hearing something now, you know, And I didn't. 410 00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:17,119 So I went back into the front door, and this little vegetable area beside 411 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,680 that picture that I showed you where as the Flag Security Controller's office. There's 412 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:25,079 a little hallway and it opens up into the day room, and Michael Johnson 413 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,160 was sitting in there, and I don't remember if there was anybody else in 414 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,519 the day room there was still up watching DUV or not. I really don't. 415 00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:33,799 I don't remember, but I said, Michael, come in here and 416 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,279 check this out. And I mind you, I just met him that day 417 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:45,960 on our rideout we did our our relief and these big blue Air Force buses 418 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,839 looked like school buses, just painted blue a year as the Air Force autom 419 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:55,960 and the windows are tended out, and so I really didn't know him. 420 00:31:56,039 --> 00:32:00,440 And my partner he had gone home to North Carolina to get married, and 421 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:06,640 so he's taken thirty days of vacation. And I said, Michael, come 422 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:07,920 in here and check this out, man or something up here in the air 423 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,920 and he just kind of looked at me, and I don't think he gave 424 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,319 me much credit. Now, he was my team leader. He hadn't ranked 425 00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:16,519 you by two months, so instead of ye, he was a team leader 426 00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:23,960 that for that time out in the field. And so he walked outside reluctantly, 427 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,759 you know, and stood up there and he just kind of looked. 428 00:32:27,759 --> 00:32:29,680 He still didn't say And then I said, see that thing right there, 429 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,039 I said, I flipp the lights at it, and it went on. 430 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,839 It flipped the lights back at me three times, and he just kind of 431 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,119 looked at me, and I don't know, he didn't believe me. I 432 00:32:38,119 --> 00:32:40,240 said, stay right here, I'm gonna go do it again. So I 433 00:32:40,319 --> 00:32:45,079 went and did it again, and I can't ran right out there. As 434 00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:46,680 soon as I did it, I did three or four times, ran right 435 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:51,240 back out there and stood next to him. About fifteen seconds later. It 436 00:32:51,319 --> 00:32:55,160 went off and it stayed off, and it moved and it went further north, 437 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,960 but yet it got closer. In other words, instead I just straightened. 438 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:05,039 It was kind of like an easterly northeasterly kind of trajectory, you know. 439 00:33:05,079 --> 00:33:07,119 But it stayed the same altitude and it flipped back on. It didn't 440 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,039 move a lot, but it moved from where it was. And I really, 441 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,359 I said, I must be an aircraft. When I said, when 442 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,640 when they did that, they must just see they see us. It's either 443 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:21,720 aircraft or helicopters, you know. We I think we had those super black 444 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,319 Hawks or something like that. Then we didn't have jolly greens that I knew 445 00:33:25,359 --> 00:33:30,200 of. I guess have more army at the time, but we had super 446 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,680 black Hawks that we had. We were affected relief in those a couple of 447 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:38,799 times when we were snowed out there in the field. But anyway, I 448 00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:40,759 said, what do you think, man, he goes on, he goes 449 00:33:40,839 --> 00:33:45,599 whatever. I think He said that to me. He said it to me 450 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,519 a couple more times. It really didn't have any comments on anything of that 451 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,240 night, you know, which was really bad that from later on. But 452 00:33:53,279 --> 00:34:01,440 anyway, so itipped on, it flipped off, and then it flipped on, 453 00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:06,480 and then it flipped off, and then that was pretty much it. 454 00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:09,480 And I said, what do you think that is? Man? I say 455 00:34:09,519 --> 00:34:14,159 it in helicopters, I said, you hear anything, because literally you couldn't 456 00:34:14,559 --> 00:34:17,280 hear. There's nothing out there. There's no cars your way off the highway, 457 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,800 and it's not a very used highway or it's not an interstate. Let's 458 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,639 put it that way. And he just said, like whatever, he said, 459 00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:29,719 I don't know what it was. And he walked back inside. So 460 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,559 I walked back inside. I flipped the damn lights at it one more time, 461 00:34:34,039 --> 00:34:37,360 and then it appeared, but it was much further north. So that 462 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:42,440 was three times it went out and came back on, and the third time 463 00:34:42,599 --> 00:34:45,119 it stayed off for just a little bit and then it went off, and 464 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,559 this time comprised about ten after nine, somewhere right in there ten fifteen minutes 465 00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:54,559 after nine until about nine thirty five, nine forty. And I'm trying to 466 00:34:54,599 --> 00:34:59,039 be exact here because it's important, and I've gone over this timeline a million 467 00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:01,039 times. I've had to you know, over the years. I just you 468 00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:06,920 just you got to get this right in your mind. So I literally said 469 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,760 to myself, I don't know, I remember this. I said, well, 470 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,719 I guess this show's over. It's exactly what I said to myself. 471 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,039 I was at here long and I walked back in. I didn't say anything 472 00:35:19,039 --> 00:35:21,760 to Bill Hallow, and I just went back in the Today room and I 473 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,519 sat down and I picked up a book or grabbed a backgammon board or something. 474 00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:27,920 You know. We had a ping pong table and there also, and 475 00:35:28,639 --> 00:35:31,400 we'd already eaten dinner, so I just kind of cooled out for a while 476 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:37,239 and watching TV. And as if Michael, he just do what he was 477 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,760 doing and we didn't discuss much or anything. I just thought it was really 478 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:46,519 cool. We just seen and the networks all went off the air at midnight 479 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:52,159 or just a few seconds afterwards, and so TV went off and it just 480 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,480 so I guess it was about twelve twenty somewhere right in there. All of 481 00:35:55,480 --> 00:36:00,239 a sudden you heard the alert phone in the flag security controller's office. It 482 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,039 went off. And it's one of those films that ring direct. I'm not 483 00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:04,840 going to do it. I've done it so many times. I feel like 484 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,440 a fool. It it's a ring that you have to pick it up. 485 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,360 You can't, you can't avoid it. I mean, that's an emergency. 486 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,880 So these guys need something, so pick the phone up. So the FSC 487 00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:19,960 Flight Security controller does that. So I heard Bill Holme and say sit for 488 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,880 November five. And that was a little different alarm that you don't normally have. 489 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:30,480 It was an outer and an inner alarm penetration or activation I should say, 490 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:36,679 I shouldn't say penetration. And so we gathered our stuff and everything, 491 00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:40,239 and then Michael got the safety briefing, which is that's relevant to every single 492 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,119 time you get in that vehicle and wherever you're going. They know where you're 493 00:36:44,159 --> 00:36:45,920 going, they know how long it takes to get there, and of course 494 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:52,440 you implement five minute security checks until you arrive, and then you give updated 495 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,719 security checks. And not only is the flight security controller listening and the missile 496 00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:02,800 Launch controul Crude listening, but Wing Security Control that's over all security activities back 497 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:07,199 at Ellsworth Air Force Base, and all these bases have the same w Wing 498 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:14,159 Security Control. They're monitoring the conditions or the situations in which we're investigating. 499 00:37:14,559 --> 00:37:17,320 So you have these three different functions going on to one time that everybody's listening 500 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:25,360 to what you're telling them, and so we grab our ditty bags, that's 501 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,599 what we call them. You know. It's great, big, huge bag 502 00:37:28,639 --> 00:37:30,000 and it's got all your clothes in in case you've got to spend the night 503 00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:32,639 on the site in a pickup truck, which had happened quite a bit, 504 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:37,840 if you know. The snow sets these alarms off and you can't reset them 505 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:42,280 without digging out between all three antennas, which is four or five foot of 506 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,360 snows. A lot to dig, you know, And I think everybody in 507 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,480 security police out there is served has probably done it more than once. But 508 00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:54,199 anyhow so, it was travel times only maybe twelve or fifteen minutes to the 509 00:37:54,320 --> 00:38:01,400 number five had happened to be the closest launch facility lef to No. Number 510 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:06,480 one LCF, So you know, we knew it was really close. And 511 00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:09,360 I was the one that knew the way to every to all of our sites 512 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:14,719 because Michael Johnson he was from another another sector, I guess, and he 513 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:19,719 didn't work out there. And so we gathered up everything and our weapons or 514 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,639 our code tables and what all we had, and we operated a F one 515 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:28,920 fifty four pickup truck at that time, which were our response vehicles, weapons 516 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,920 racks in the back of them. They just two will drive trucks, believe 517 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:37,119 it or not, not four will drive and loaded up and proceeded on, 518 00:38:37,199 --> 00:38:43,000 went through the gate, commenced our security checks and went to the first everything 519 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,239 out. There's clay roads on these back roads off the highways, and you 520 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:52,480 can go from Highway seventy nine turning west and go all the way to Wyoming 521 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:57,000 on a dirt road straight as an arrow, or you can go east and 522 00:38:57,639 --> 00:39:00,320 held all the way to Sioux Falls if you want. But you can literally 523 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,920 travel half that state on dirt roads if you're so desired, and they're good 524 00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:07,559 roads. They're really nice. They're not bad at all. They maintain them 525 00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:13,920 really well. So as we were traveling for the first left and the second 526 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,039 left at the next intersection again Clay Roads, we were proceeding up to Highway 527 00:39:17,079 --> 00:39:21,159 seventy nine, which was about four and a half miles, but that's about 528 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:25,119 how far we are off of Highway seventy nine to launch control facility. And 529 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,440 as we were traveling, I'm in the past near seat, and I guess 530 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:35,000 we're in like a on a prairie, you know, you have loads and 531 00:39:35,079 --> 00:39:37,599 highs right on like plateaus and so forth. As we were going up to 532 00:39:37,639 --> 00:39:42,519 Highway seventy nine, we were approaching the top of a I guess, at 533 00:39:42,679 --> 00:39:45,360 the top of the plateau. And I just happened to look over to the 534 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:51,519 right in the direction of where November five would be, because we would go 535 00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:59,679 from low up to high like that, and I see something bright and pulsing 536 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:05,599 way off in the distance at about a four o'clock position, and I go, 537 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,760 it might have been three thirty position, as I you knows, as 538 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:13,920 I remember, but anyway, it was pulsing, and I thought, what 539 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,519 what the hell was that? You know, I've been out here a long 540 00:40:15,559 --> 00:40:20,280 time, but I've never seen anything like that. And so I tell Michael 541 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,000 Johnson as we were coming up to Oby seventy and I said, man, 542 00:40:22,519 --> 00:40:27,920 there's something bright pulsing over there. By November five, I said, you 543 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,320 know, the first thing you want to think is there's maybe there's an nuclear 544 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:37,000 accident or something like that, something something bad going happening there. And but 545 00:40:37,079 --> 00:40:40,639 it didn't really it didn't really excite him at all. He kind of said, 546 00:40:40,679 --> 00:40:44,960 whatever again, you know, he's used that a couple of times to 547 00:40:47,519 --> 00:40:52,639 anyway, As we got Highway seventy nine in turn right now we're on top 548 00:40:52,679 --> 00:40:54,760 of that plateau, and I looked at about the one o'clock at four o'clock 549 00:40:54,760 --> 00:41:02,039 it became my one o'clock, and you could really see this bright sitting light 550 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:07,719 emanating I believed from the ground. I don't know if it's an electrical transformer 551 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,920 or something had gone bad. I don't remember transformers being on any of the 552 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:14,880 poles out there, and there weren't hardly any poles. Most of the stuff's 553 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:19,400 underground. They were smarter than to put their electricity underground when they built it. 554 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,800 I mean, really amazing for that part of the country, you know, 555 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:28,320 and it's really neat. But because you certainly can't be without power in 556 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,239 a blizzard, in a winter storm, you know, when he gets forty 557 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:36,599 blow zero, you got to have power. Man. So anyway, I'm 558 00:41:36,679 --> 00:41:40,159 looking at this object pulsating in glowing or I didn't see an object. I 559 00:41:40,199 --> 00:41:45,800 just saw this glow coming from the ground at this time. And I said, 560 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,039 man, that's that object at November five. And he looked at me 561 00:41:49,159 --> 00:41:52,480 like I had lost my absolute mind, which I thought maybe I had, 562 00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:54,679 you know, I mean, maybe I'll jump in a gun or something. 563 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,960 That it was. It was very strange. And again he hit me with 564 00:41:59,039 --> 00:42:04,280 I don't think so or whatever in that in that tone again because we didn't 565 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,760 know me and I didn't know him. Let's put it that way, okay. 566 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:13,920 And so as we went down the plateau into the toward Newell, toward 567 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,000 the only stop sign, and then just beyond that scene, there's one stop 568 00:42:17,079 --> 00:42:21,360 light, one stop sign in Newell, South Dakota. Population at that time 569 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,960 was two hundred and fifty four. I remember it because I was on the 570 00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:30,039 sign entering and exiting the little town Newell. I'm always seventy nine today as 571 00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:35,840 six hundred and fifty people lived there and it's super nice people, super folks, 572 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:40,920 and love talking to him every chance I get. And anyhow, as 573 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:45,320 stopped to stop sign. The same white house is sitting on that corner today 574 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,719 and it's called Orman O R M A and you can look at it on 575 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:53,719 Google Earth. Ormond Road turn right and we went out about I guess it's 576 00:42:53,760 --> 00:43:00,360 about three quarters of a mile and then the road kind of turns to the 577 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,760 dog legs to the left is what I call it, and it drops off 578 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:08,239 the pavement back on the plane. And when we did that, there was 579 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:15,800 a spherical object sitting on top of November five that was the size and I 580 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:21,239 got to say, it the size of a super Walmart building. And it 581 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,440 was absolutely gargangeline. I could not believe what I was seeing. I was 582 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:30,199 seeing really large ships in my day and was really lucky to see that growing 583 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:37,199 up so large things really weren't I don't know, weren't that big to me. 584 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:43,480 But this thing, it blew everything else I've ever seen in my life 585 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,559 out of the water. And this is a topic, I think, that's 586 00:43:46,639 --> 00:43:51,679 what I guess. Yeah, top view of it, and it may not 587 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,519 be as big. I kind of ran out of paper when I drew that 588 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:59,559 it may not be as big as it was, but it was extremely large. 589 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,119 And where our vehicle is in a lower right hand lower corner of this, 590 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,960 we pulled up at a forty five degree angle and noticed those little four 591 00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:10,840 lines on that little driveway right there. That's a cattle gate to keep rancher's 592 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:15,880 cattle from coming out into these clay rows. And we were about twenty yards 593 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:20,719 sixty feet or so, it was a bit more from where the vehicles positioned 594 00:44:22,119 --> 00:44:27,719 to the gate, and that was our tactical throwdown, ready to fight whatever 595 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,280 stance that you want to call it against something like that. You know, 596 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:37,039 I mean, really I have to laugh at myself every time I look at 597 00:44:37,039 --> 00:44:39,119 this. But I thought, well, what are we doing? You know? 598 00:44:39,199 --> 00:44:45,639 I mean, this was clearly a technology that was so off the charts 599 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:52,199 in my view and in my mind, and I'm sure Michael Johnson's that it's 600 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:59,000 it's hard to even wrestle with. And the complexity of That's that was in 601 00:44:59,039 --> 00:45:04,800 twenty seventeen. That's at my home where I am now, Yeah, November 602 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:09,559 seventeen, twenty seventeen. But going back to that, to that that object, 603 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:21,960 um, I don't know if I felt fear or I guess, you 604 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,559 know, you either it's either fight or flight. Right in the process, 605 00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:32,199 you just hope you don't mess yourself. And it seemed as if as a 606 00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:37,800 thought occurred to me what to do next. I mean, in just a 607 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,400 flash of a second light right now, blink my eye, you know, 608 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:46,320 and that in between that blink, all of sudden, the air in the 609 00:45:46,519 --> 00:45:51,960 in the cab of that truck was just literally evacuated. And it felt as 610 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,760 if I was and I was, you know, probably two hundred pounds in 611 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,960 but I was, I wasn't, and I was in really good shape, 612 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,480 and uh it felt it. And I had on a parka, had on 613 00:46:01,519 --> 00:46:05,639 my fatigues, and I had on long jaws underneath those, and I had 614 00:46:05,679 --> 00:46:08,039 on bunny boots. Bunny boots we use in extremely cold weather. They have 615 00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:13,239 internal bladders on the inside of the ankles and around the foot that you literally 616 00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,119 open a straighter valve and you blow air into them. You secure the valve 617 00:46:16,159 --> 00:46:20,840 and put your put them on and they keep your feet warm. And some 618 00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:23,559 really really cold weather, I mean, you can't wear a leather boot or 619 00:46:23,559 --> 00:46:28,639 something like that in this kind of in this kind of atmosphere. But anyway, 620 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:34,559 or in that kind of climate, the snow out there is like talcum 621 00:46:34,599 --> 00:46:37,239 powder. It's extremely dry, there's no humidity, and you fall off in 622 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:44,920 that stuff, you'd likely to suffocate. But the air, the internal atmosphere 623 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:51,000 of that vehicle was just pulled away. And it bothers me right now I'm 624 00:46:51,039 --> 00:46:52,800 talking about it, and it does every single time. I don't care how 625 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:58,559 many times I discussed it by myself or in front of folks or telling cokes, 626 00:46:58,599 --> 00:47:05,239 but it just happens and felt as if I was being pulled by pressures 627 00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:09,199 up until the back window of that single cab F one fifty four pickup truck. 628 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,880 And in my mind, in a split second, I knew the only 629 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,159 thing that I needed to ask for relief. Where that thought comes from, 630 00:47:17,559 --> 00:47:24,760 only God knows. And I grabbed a magliight that I'd gotten as a gift, 631 00:47:27,159 --> 00:47:30,039 and I think they had de cell batteries in it. And back then 632 00:47:30,199 --> 00:47:34,119 in the seventy seven that was a prize tool for any security policeman to own 633 00:47:34,119 --> 00:47:37,639 a damn maglike you know, I means, you know, extremely expensive, 634 00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:43,119 and not many people had them, and they weren't they weren't regular standard issue 635 00:47:43,159 --> 00:47:47,119 for security policeman at all. But I got my hands on one and I 636 00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:52,840 grabbed his maglike and I reached out and I had on my I had on 637 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:59,760 amitten on this hand on my left hand, and it encloses three fingers and 638 00:48:00,199 --> 00:48:02,400 your trigger finger is free and it goes all the way down your risk to 639 00:48:02,519 --> 00:48:07,840 by mid part of your elbow and then they send up. So there you 640 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,119 got your park on. So your your hands are extremely warm and you can 641 00:48:10,159 --> 00:48:15,480 operate, you know, your weapons platform that way and and whatever else you 642 00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:16,760 got to do. Get your hands. If your hands are cold and you 643 00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:21,639 fee a cold, you're ruined, you know. And I didn't have a 644 00:48:21,679 --> 00:48:24,519 glove on my right hand, and I rolled the window down real quick, 645 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:29,679 and it was blasting cold, I guess, you know, with the adrenaline 646 00:48:29,679 --> 00:48:31,960 going through me and everything. It was just like a cold blast of air 647 00:48:32,199 --> 00:48:37,559 just hit me like a brick. And I reached up and I grabbed the 648 00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:40,679 Western mirrors that was stainless toll in Western mirrors on this I'm fifty four, 649 00:48:42,679 --> 00:48:45,159 and I pulled myself up because I was afraid to step out of the vehicle. 650 00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,719 I remember saying Michael Johnson, I said, you're getting out. He 651 00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:53,679 didn't say nothing. He was just a bathe in a blue blinding light light. 652 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,280 And I said, I'm not getting out. So I pulled myself up 653 00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,400 on this window, grabbed hold of the bubble up there with my leave in 654 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:05,920 my left hand, and I lifted up my mag light and I was just 655 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,679 flashing this light at this object the size of a Walmart building, with my 656 00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:14,280 mag light just flashing it, just bink bink bink bink bink, bing bing, 657 00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,800 And I did that five or six times, and all of a sudden, 658 00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,719 I could I just felt as if the pressure was released, and I 659 00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:28,000 slid back down on that seat just like that. I don't know where my 660 00:49:28,039 --> 00:49:35,159 maglight went. And I grabbed my M sixteen and I and I put it 661 00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:40,119 to my legs and I just held on the barrel in the A frame side 662 00:49:40,119 --> 00:49:43,000 and I just held on to it. And I didn't know what to think 663 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,280 because I was just kind of shaking, and I could breathe a whole lot 664 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,280 easier. And I turned to Michael Johnson and I told him, I say 665 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,639 it's gonna be okay now, It'll be all right now, is what I 666 00:49:51,679 --> 00:49:54,199 said to him. No answer when I looked at him, it was just 667 00:49:54,280 --> 00:50:00,760 like the light inside his vehicle was so intense that it with your eyes closed, 668 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:10,440 you could see almost the blood vessels in your eyes. And I made 669 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:15,760 sure that windows up because I feared I feared something on the on the outside 670 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:21,599 of me. I feared something on the right side of that vehicle, and 671 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:30,119 I knew it only had that little thickness of glass separating me from what what 672 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:36,159 was out there. And I started to uh as I was breathing. I 673 00:50:36,199 --> 00:50:38,039 didn't hear any word from Michael Johnson. I don't know if the vehicles running, 674 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,599 I don't know what. But there was something in front of our windshield 675 00:50:43,519 --> 00:50:46,800 and it was about I don't know, maybe four or five times the size 676 00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:52,320 of a beach ball. But it was black and it wasn't solid, but 677 00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:57,760 it was it was round. They had like it had like lines from top 678 00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:02,159 to bottom, and in between the lines were events and it that I can 679 00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:07,400 hear it. It just kind of shot right and left, up and down. 680 00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,920 It was. It was. It was right in front of our vehicle 681 00:51:12,039 --> 00:51:15,159 and it was the strangest it was. I don't even know how. I 682 00:51:15,519 --> 00:51:19,719 don't think we had drones then. I don't even know. I didn't even 683 00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:24,400 learn that we're drone until some time later. But I kept asking myself, 684 00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,159 what is that? What is that? And all of a sudden it was 685 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:31,679 I didn't see it anymore, and I started to kind of close up my 686 00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:37,519 tunnel vision or whatever my vision was doing now no Michael Johnson doing. He 687 00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:42,400 was just glued to the steering wheel that that light blue plastic sterning wheel in 688 00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:52,320 definitely fifty. And I looked to my right as I literally was turned into 689 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,840 black. I guess, I mean, it's so hard to just you were 690 00:51:55,840 --> 00:52:00,480 trying to talk to yourself and pass out at the same time. It's very 691 00:52:00,519 --> 00:52:07,480 difficult to do. But I looked to my right and I saw four shattery 692 00:52:07,519 --> 00:52:12,840 figures about three to four feet tall, and three of them and then one 693 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:19,159 tall one behind them. And the feeling it ran through me was something that 694 00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:30,039 just bothered me right now. But I heard the words inside of my body, 695 00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:37,280 not in verbal speak at all, do not fear, do not fear. 696 00:52:39,079 --> 00:52:47,360 It sounds like somethely ever heard before it. And I guess when you're 697 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:52,760 a child and you in your mother's womb, I get and your father's or 698 00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,920 your brothers or whoever speaks through her stomach to you, it's kind of like 699 00:52:54,960 --> 00:53:00,599 that muffled but we have memory of it. We have memory will be known 700 00:53:00,639 --> 00:53:04,519 or a lot all of us do if that happened to us. But that 701 00:53:04,639 --> 00:53:08,800 was the memory which I was left with that I'd heard this, I'd felt 702 00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:15,480 this before, this kind of this kind of speak or communication, and my 703 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:20,920 seeming as if I felt as in my body was on fire inside. I 704 00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:28,400 don't know how to really come to grips of that, and it's just something 705 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:36,880 I gotta live with. But the little guy on the right, he had 706 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,599 something in his belt and it was like a rod that was probably ten to 707 00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:45,840 I don't know, ten twelve inches long, and the very tip of it 708 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:52,320 had like a yellow like a like a yellow ball on it of some type, 709 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,880 and it was of a yellow that I can't describe. It was just 710 00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,199 that color to me, and I'm color blind, so it could have been 711 00:53:58,199 --> 00:54:05,960 something else. But the hauling behind the three looked him completely looked completely different, 712 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,679 and he had something right here on the top part of his chest that 713 00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:13,440 was the same color as the tip of that little rod. Because at all 714 00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,199 three just coincided at one time, and at about the fifteen foot range, 715 00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:22,440 I just went black. And that's the last thing that I remember besides hearing 716 00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:32,880 do not fear, Do not fear. And I just, I just, 717 00:54:34,639 --> 00:54:39,960 I don't know how much time have I opened my eyes and I'm in complete 718 00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:52,960 blackness, darkness all around me. And I look over Michael Johnson and I 719 00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,079 said, hey, man, I said, I said, where the hell 720 00:54:54,119 --> 00:54:59,440 are we? I don't even know why I asked a question because he wouldn't 721 00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:04,159 know anyway, He's unfamiliar with that area. He didn't answer me. He 722 00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:08,760 was stuck to that steering wheel like no person ever ever seen in my life. 723 00:55:09,159 --> 00:55:14,960 As if he was catatonic is a word I want to use, But 724 00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:19,639 he was frozen in place. I poked this man's face, poked, I 725 00:55:19,679 --> 00:55:24,480 pushed him in his shoulders. I hollered at him. I did everything I 726 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:30,119 could possibly do in just a few seconds of me opening my eyes into this 727 00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:34,280 total blankness because I was kind of pissed off. Be honest with you, 728 00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,960 I didn't have any clue where I was, what happened? Where did I 729 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,000 say? Where did the object go? I'm talking to myself and I'm not 730 00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:47,519 getting anything from a so called team leader. I popped the door open. 731 00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,920 I guess I'm out of anger or fright, I'm not really sure. And 732 00:55:54,079 --> 00:55:59,800 I had them up bonee boots and I stepped out and I stepped in mud. 733 00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:02,440 Now, the temperature was between nine and thirteen degrees, and every place 734 00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:07,599 else in that whole prairie area around the site and on the site itself, 735 00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,480 on my parking lot, there was ice and the ground was frozen, and 736 00:56:10,519 --> 00:56:15,079 it had been frozen for I guess about a week. We'd had a blizzard 737 00:56:15,199 --> 00:56:19,440 or something the week before, and when that place gets cold, it gets 738 00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:23,840 extremely cold and it stays that way for a long time. Anyhow, I 739 00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:29,599 stepped out in mud, and I'm where the hell are we Because looking to 740 00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,760 my immedia righte, not five or six feet away from me, was this 741 00:56:34,639 --> 00:56:39,400 slanting like wall that went straight up. As far as I could see now, 742 00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:43,960 mind you, I'm in total darkness. It just went straight up and 743 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,679 it was white and it didn't go straight. Not a wall that you park 744 00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:52,079 against or something, or your home wall, your house. This is a 745 00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:55,039 wall that was at an angle, like forty five degrees, like an angle, 746 00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,199 and it was covered in snow. As far as I could see now, 747 00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,159 mind you, was sup or dark, and as far as I could 748 00:57:01,159 --> 00:57:05,360 see north and south. That's I was trying to, you know, to 749 00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:09,639 give my compass bearings. Where what was north and southeast and west? You 750 00:57:09,679 --> 00:57:13,800 know, I'd say it was running north and south and it was straight, 751 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:21,079 you know, up, you know, forty five or fifty feet and hm. 752 00:57:22,679 --> 00:57:29,679 Anyway, I'm still hollering at him, trying to get something out of 753 00:57:29,719 --> 00:57:30,519 him. I said, Michael, you've got to talk to me, man, 754 00:57:30,719 --> 00:57:34,320 something we got to do. We got to talk to somebody. The 755 00:57:34,519 --> 00:57:38,280 radio came to life and I heard wsc EVE November one, what's your location? 756 00:57:39,599 --> 00:57:43,320 And it was like the voice of God just came through that radio, 757 00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,679 because I hadn't heard anything since we got to that mississide. I don't even 758 00:57:45,719 --> 00:57:52,559 remember doing security checks once we arrived, or communicating with November one control or 759 00:57:53,079 --> 00:57:57,119 flight security control or the officers there at November one. I don't I don't 760 00:57:57,159 --> 00:58:00,079 remember communicating with him. So I said, are you going to get that, 761 00:58:00,239 --> 00:58:04,079 thinking he'd snap out of it at any given time, which he didn't 762 00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:07,280 do. And I reached out, and again I don't know if the truck 763 00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,840 was running or it had to be running for that radio to activate, I 764 00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:15,760 can't remember, but I grabbed the motorola handset on the dashboard and I said 765 00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:22,519 November one WSC. I said, senior evermon Woods. I said, he 766 00:58:22,599 --> 00:58:24,480 goes, what's your location? And I said, Sir, I don't know. 767 00:58:24,599 --> 00:58:28,920 He said do you need medical help? And I said, I'm not 768 00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,480 sure, but my partner will not. He won't. I can't get him 769 00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:37,239 to speak to me. A long pause took place, and he said, 770 00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,599 we want you to do one minute security checks aermon Woods and I said, 771 00:58:40,679 --> 00:58:46,079 yes, sir. He goes, we're trying to reangulate your location. I 772 00:58:46,159 --> 00:58:52,079 said, yes, sir. So I started doing one minute security checks and 773 00:58:52,199 --> 00:58:54,719 I probably did ten or fifteen of them. I mean, I might have 774 00:58:54,960 --> 00:59:00,360 lost a few minutes. I'm shaking light, hell and anyway stuff this so 775 00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:08,480 anyhow, I just as I was still trying to wrestle with what was going 776 00:59:08,519 --> 00:59:12,440 on with him, I'm pushing him. I go around to the driver's side 777 00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,119 and I'm kind of looking around where we are. I mean, why is 778 00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:17,920 all this mud here? And what goes? Because on his side it went 779 00:59:19,039 --> 00:59:22,960 down a hill or down straight down the hill into something else. And I 780 00:59:22,079 --> 00:59:27,199 thought, where can where can we possibly be? You know? And I've 781 00:59:27,199 --> 00:59:30,039 got the man out the radio radio radio hands hill land across the seat so 782 00:59:30,039 --> 00:59:32,800 I can reach in and grab it, and I'm looking at him and testing 783 00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:37,119 his greeting on to live his pulse. I check his, you know. 784 00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:38,920 And I'm not a doctor. I mean, I don't even know what I've 785 00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,159 been trained to do, you know, in technical school, you know, 786 00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:45,159 the life saving measures and that kind of thing. That's all I know. 787 00:59:45,239 --> 00:59:51,280 I didn't think i'd ought to use them that that quick. But anyway, 788 00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,719 I turned and I looked to the east, trying to gather my thoughts, 789 00:59:54,760 --> 01:00:00,639 and the first thing I see is this old tree that's about eight yards away 790 01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:04,639 to the south of me, and it looks What got me was it looked 791 01:00:04,639 --> 01:00:07,480 like an old Hayman's tree, you know that you're see in western movies. 792 01:00:07,559 --> 01:00:10,480 Is the only tree in the middle of nowhere. I mean, the state 793 01:00:10,519 --> 01:00:14,519 tree in South Dakota is a mall belt telephone pole. Because there's just not 794 01:00:14,599 --> 01:00:17,400 that many trees. It's all, you know, plaines areas, buffalo running 795 01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:23,840 areas. But there was this old tree stand in there and probably eighty yards 796 01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:30,880 away. And then I just happened to look east and it's getting light outside, 797 01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:34,159 and I go literally, I said to myself, what the hell? 798 01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,199 And I looked at my watch, which was working fine, just the time 799 01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:44,639 X watched at ten dollars watch back then, and it was after six am. 800 01:00:44,719 --> 01:00:51,760 So we arrived at November five at just before one am. And now 801 01:00:52,239 --> 01:00:55,079 you know here it is after six am, and I have no recollection of 802 01:00:55,199 --> 01:01:00,840 anything that happened from one am to six am other than what I just described 803 01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:06,960 to you. And so I'm trying to gather my thoughts and get this and 804 01:01:07,039 --> 01:01:12,239 I see lights coming over the horizon, over this hill and down these dirt 805 01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,880 roads where we're located, and I still don't know where we are. I've 806 01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:19,719 never been there before, so I believe it was a sergeant Garza. I 807 01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,800 think it was a sergeant guards and I can't remember, but I tried, 808 01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:29,840 I tried my best, and he stopped the truck. He stopped his vehicle. 809 01:01:30,239 --> 01:01:34,440 I get about twenty yards away from us. Now, mind you only 810 01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,800 did I know this then there were no tracks from our vehicle getting in there. 811 01:01:38,239 --> 01:01:42,800 Again, we only had a two will drive vehicle, and the places 812 01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:46,880 in which we were sitting there was nowhere to drive in forward turn a two 813 01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:52,079 will drive truck around and in face the opposite direction of what I just described 814 01:01:52,119 --> 01:01:57,280 to you, and I struck me really odd. I didn't know how to 815 01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,679 explain that, and I didn't at that point. I just didn't figure out 816 01:02:00,679 --> 01:02:04,880 the mud. Where where's the mud coming from? So the ground had to 817 01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:09,280 be melted down or the ice melted down below our trub. And I said 818 01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:15,079 about about a twenty yard radius or noah, twenty foot radius, not twenty 819 01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:20,239 yards. So that quickly evacuated from my mind once I thought of it. 820 01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,519 But as he approached me, I said, I said, hey, s 821 01:02:22,559 --> 01:02:25,719 Sergeant Garza. I said, okay, but first I need some help with 822 01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:30,360 Michael Johnson. And he just looked at me, and I said, come 823 01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,239 over here, I'll show you what I mean. And I took him over 824 01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:37,800 there and he was just still frozen to this stair wheel, not speaking, 825 01:02:38,079 --> 01:02:42,960 but he was blinking his eyes, he was he was breathing everything that a 826 01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,760 person would normally do. There was just nothing coming out of him. There 827 01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:51,400 was no emotion, there was no sound, there was just no reaction. 828 01:02:52,199 --> 01:02:53,559 And I said, I said, look, I pushed on him, I've 829 01:02:53,599 --> 01:02:57,400 shoved on him. I've done everything I can do. I've yelled at him. 830 01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,679 I said, short of just punching the hell out of I don't know 831 01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:02,760 what we can do, you know, And I just unbuilt it him, 832 01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,119 you know. We just had lap belt and we slid him over to the 833 01:03:07,159 --> 01:03:12,280 pastner's seat and then I got into driver's seat and I followed them No. 834 01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:15,239 Number one and that was three backup. Three alert teams came looking for So 835 01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:20,960 that's six security policemen. So of course they broke off once we got November 836 01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:22,440 one and in the main in our gate, and we had people waiting on 837 01:03:22,559 --> 01:03:29,159 us. A flag chief was there, s Master sartin grade and a system 838 01:03:29,239 --> 01:03:34,760 black chief Robert Hawkins, and of course the two officers that were on duty 839 01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:37,519 were now off duty. They got off at six am. Of course they 840 01:03:37,599 --> 01:03:43,360 had a great amount of questions. Then you had the the facility manager. 841 01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:45,440 He had his own questions and he was looking at our vehicle and all that 842 01:03:45,519 --> 01:03:50,000 stuff, and I had to have help. Well, they just they just 843 01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:53,840 ascended upon a vehicle in the parking lot and said, hey, Mario, 844 01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:57,119 what's going on? Because they all knew me. We all played ping pong 845 01:03:57,159 --> 01:04:00,840 together and they knew me. I've been out there for some time anyhow, 846 01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:03,400 So I told him, I said, I don't know what's going on, 847 01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:06,159 Michael Johnson, but I can't get him to speak. I can't get him 848 01:04:06,199 --> 01:04:10,079 to react to anything. I said, I need some help with him. 849 01:04:10,159 --> 01:04:13,519 So they literally went to the passenger's side of the vehicle, opened the door 850 01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:15,559 and they were talking to him. You know, he wasn't speaking back. 851 01:04:15,719 --> 01:04:19,199 He was just I don't know what. I don't know how to say. 852 01:04:19,639 --> 01:04:25,920 He just couldn't speak. He was frozen. His legs moved when they got 853 01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,960 him out and got under his shoulders to lift him and take him into the 854 01:04:29,039 --> 01:04:31,199 building, and they took him to the back room. I know they got 855 01:04:31,239 --> 01:04:33,679 some fluids and stuff and they took that back there. Of course, I 856 01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:39,719 was separated from him immediately. The assistant flight she went to the back with 857 01:04:40,599 --> 01:04:44,800 one of the officers and the site manager, and I don't know what the 858 01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:46,119 psyche cook was doing, you know, not that he would be in any 859 01:04:46,159 --> 01:04:49,599 part of this, but he was getting stuff ready for whatever he had to 860 01:04:49,679 --> 01:04:55,039 do. But I went into the day room and just sat down and I 861 01:04:55,119 --> 01:04:58,679 literally just had to gather myself and where I was. I felt as if 862 01:04:58,719 --> 01:05:01,880 I wasn't displaced, And I don't know how to describe the word displaced, 863 01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:05,480 but I felt as if I wasn't supposed to be there or something. And 864 01:05:09,079 --> 01:05:15,400 it was really really different to to have that feeling. But I answered any 865 01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,639 and all questions that the one captain had for me, and then the other 866 01:05:17,719 --> 01:05:21,039 officer came up. Of course, my flag chief was there and they had 867 01:05:21,119 --> 01:05:24,800 me. You know, they were asking me everything. Now, they didn't 868 01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:29,480 ask me to write anything, and even the flights of Security control of Bill 869 01:05:29,559 --> 01:05:32,159 Holliman, he asked them questions, he said he I remember him saying, 870 01:05:32,639 --> 01:05:35,239 was that what you saw? And I said, yeah, that was what 871 01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:42,199 I saw last night. I said, Michael Johnson saw it, and and 872 01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,559 I think I think it bothered He didn't come out there and look at it, 873 01:05:45,679 --> 01:05:48,320 but or see it. But anyway, he did ask that question. 874 01:05:49,119 --> 01:05:53,159 And I answered questions as much as I could to the best of my ability, 875 01:05:53,239 --> 01:05:56,440 and they kept asking. You know that one captain asked me, you 876 01:05:56,519 --> 01:05:59,480 guys, you know, are you guys doing drugs? I said, are 877 01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:01,679 you crazy? No? You know, I mean that's why I threw up 878 01:06:01,719 --> 01:06:04,760 that Outstanding Performance award right there. You know you don't do drugs, and 879 01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:08,599 get that, you know you don't. You just don't do that. And 880 01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,159 I don't know I just try to be a real good soldier all my life 881 01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,599 and the function that I was put into or I volunteered for, and I 882 01:06:17,719 --> 01:06:21,800 wanted to make an example or set the example. And that's what I always 883 01:06:23,519 --> 01:06:27,159 try to do where whatever base I was in, whatever squad and I belonged 884 01:06:27,199 --> 01:06:30,519 to. So anyway, after answering questions for as long as I did, 885 01:06:31,519 --> 01:06:34,960 I told the flight chief, I said, I need to go to the 886 01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:38,599 restaroom. You know, I said, if I couldn't get away from them, 887 01:06:38,639 --> 01:06:40,559 I mean, I was just they were just on top of me, 888 01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:44,480 like like I take on a bear, you know. I just I couldn't. 889 01:06:44,639 --> 01:06:46,360 I couldn't get away from them. So I said, I need to 890 01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,559 go to the restroom. So I went in there, and I'm in my 891 01:06:48,639 --> 01:06:53,440 fatigue still, I've got long dawns on. I'm uncomfortable. I didn't have 892 01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:57,639 my parking stuff. I don't taken I'd taken all that stuff all. And 893 01:06:57,719 --> 01:07:00,199 I went into stall the number two, which is still there today. And 894 01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:04,800 you know, of all the places in that facility that I remember or was, 895 01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:12,000 you know, and there I remember this in that room, the absolute 896 01:07:12,119 --> 01:07:15,000 most of any thought that I have. I went and I sat down on 897 01:07:15,119 --> 01:07:18,960 top of the toilet. There's just you know stallars two stalls. There are 898 01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:25,639 two yurinals and two sinks and two showers. And I just sat there and 899 01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:30,639 all of a sudden, I got this massive ringing in my ears that I 900 01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:35,800 have today that it's not like it was, but I have it today and 901 01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:41,039 it always gets my attention. I don't know if it's for from you know, 902 01:07:41,639 --> 01:07:45,400 weapons reports or what have you, But anyway, all of a sudden, 903 01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:49,960 everything turned pea green around me, as as if something was affecting my 904 01:07:50,119 --> 01:08:00,000 vision in my hearing. And I had the sensation, and I'm going to 905 01:08:00,039 --> 01:08:08,119 call it a sensation that I was leaving my body. I was going through 906 01:08:08,239 --> 01:08:12,599 my body downward and I was going to exit out of my feet. I 907 01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:16,520 knew, I knew there was Honestly, I swear god, I knew it 908 01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:20,800 was a clear channel for me to do that. In my mind and in 909 01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:24,640 my body. I said, I know, I'm going to leave my body 910 01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:29,159 through my feet. Where does the thought like that even come from? And 911 01:08:29,319 --> 01:08:34,399 I literally got I got down somewhere into my chest area literally as as I 912 01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:38,520 can't even describe it to you, I just know where I was and how 913 01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:42,920 I felt and it was a natural, as as the sunrises every day. 914 01:08:44,119 --> 01:08:48,560 And for some reason I cracked my eyes open, and when I did, 915 01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:56,199 underneath that stall door, I see four furry feet of a US Air Force 916 01:08:56,279 --> 01:09:00,840 German Schreker police dog drug dog down below that that stall door, and all 917 01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:05,039 of a sudden, I just went and I can't and I was back and 918 01:09:05,199 --> 01:09:10,039 I said wow. I mean I didn't know how what else to said. 919 01:09:10,119 --> 01:09:15,520 I said wow, like, oh my god, and the dog handler security 920 01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:19,119 policeman said hey, Mario, are you okay? And I said, yeah, 921 01:09:19,159 --> 01:09:23,359 man, And he knew me from somewhere another playing ping pong or tennis. 922 01:09:23,399 --> 01:09:26,119 I don't know, because I've been an avid sentence player, you know, 923 01:09:26,279 --> 01:09:29,479 for a minute, very long time. But he said, are you 924 01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,560 okay? And I said, I'm really not sure. He said, I 925 01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:35,039 just came to check on you. And you know, I knew he's there 926 01:09:35,079 --> 01:09:39,119 to search my stuff, as he would be Michael Johnson's a vehicle and everything. 927 01:09:39,199 --> 01:09:44,239 We had, excuse me, they had to eliminate that first. So 928 01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:46,479 sure enough, he said, man, I've already checked your bag. He 929 01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:48,279 says, you're good, don't worry about it. He said, I just 930 01:09:48,399 --> 01:09:50,920 came to check on you. I heard you weren't feeling really well or you 931 01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:54,359 needed to come in here, and I said, yeah, thank you. 932 01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,079 And when I left, when I opened up the stall, of course you 933 01:09:57,119 --> 01:09:59,760 don't pet. You don't pet their dogs unless they tell you can, and 934 01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:02,720 then you even do that apprehensively. And I just turned the sink all that 935 01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:06,479 ice cold water, and I just blasted my face and just got silken wet. 936 01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,479 I didn't care at that point because I never experienced anything like what I 937 01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:16,119 had just experienced over the last couple of minutes. And I went back out 938 01:10:16,119 --> 01:10:20,680 in the day room and all my bag and everything had been picked up and 939 01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:25,600 placed in my supervisor's vehicle, and he said, we're gonna Colonel Spraker, 940 01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:28,079 our squarter commander, and wants to speak with you. And I said, 941 01:10:28,159 --> 01:10:30,920 yes, sir, So I knew that was coming, but I think we 942 01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:34,359 had to wait because we were off duty. I think we had to wait 943 01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:40,520 another forty five or minutes or an hour before another backup alert team, because 944 01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:43,720 that's what we would become. We went from the primary alert team, which 945 01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:46,520 but Michael Johnson had a commission. We were much of an alert team, 946 01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:50,520 but we had to wait for a relief to show up on site, so 947 01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:56,239 they were present, so the man count is proper. And I left with 948 01:10:56,359 --> 01:11:00,039 him, and then Michael Johnson went with the assistant flight Gie, and then 949 01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:03,359 the officers. Of course they remained, you know, because they're doing their 950 01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:06,159 three days like we would be doing our three days. So this is really 951 01:11:06,239 --> 01:11:10,359 the first. That was the second the morning, the second morning that we 952 01:11:10,399 --> 01:11:15,279 would be out there. Had none of this happened, we'd have been on 953 01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:17,800 bed rest and ready to go back on duty at six pm that night. 954 01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:23,600 So it's about fifty five minutes to an hour back to Ellsworth. And of 955 01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:27,720 course I talked, you know, but it's arn't great. Everything that I 956 01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,520 everything that I could remember, everything that I said, I did not tell 957 01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:35,600 them at any time, nor him what I saw out that window, because 958 01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:41,960 being part of the personal reliability program in a nuclear configuration or stead of nuclear 959 01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:48,560 material configuration or team or response personnel first responder, they would have eliminated me 960 01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:53,680 from that position and taking me out of that career field, and that's what 961 01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:59,840 I joined form. So I never I never disclosed that I went as far 962 01:11:59,880 --> 01:12:04,560 as the vehicle and what happened and what I saw and the way Michael Johnson 963 01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:11,640 was in his situation, the size of it and that kind of thing. 964 01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:18,239 That we arrived at the back gate and Box Elder at Ellsworth and went straight 965 01:12:18,279 --> 01:12:21,760 to the say To House building, which was a forty fourth Missile Security Squadron 966 01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:28,720 command center building and they used to be be fifty two bomber buildings are hangers, 967 01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:31,039 and then it was converted because they were they had to build new hangars 968 01:12:31,079 --> 01:12:36,199 for the new new aircraft. And so it was a configuration of offices and 969 01:12:36,399 --> 01:12:42,479 everything like that. Wing security control was there and all that. So when 970 01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:45,479 I went into colonels Breaker's office, I had to report to him just like 971 01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,119 you walk in. I hit the door and come in standard attention, salute 972 01:12:48,199 --> 01:12:50,840 him the whole nine yards everything. And there were five people in the room, 973 01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:56,039 and of course one of them was my flight chief, and then later 974 01:12:56,119 --> 01:13:00,039 the system flight chief came. But when it was tall man in a suit. 975 01:13:00,279 --> 01:13:03,680 Still don't know who that person was to this day, and I think 976 01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:06,439 he was local, maybe local law enforcement, could have been, you know, 977 01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:10,880 have been federal. I don't know. I wasn't told and I didn't 978 01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:16,399 ask. And then there was osi office, a special investigation. There was 979 01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:20,159 a he was a Captain Jack read, which I just found that out about 980 01:13:20,199 --> 01:13:25,039 two months ago, and a young airman by the name of Richard Dody, 981 01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:28,880 and Richard Dodi has been on a bunch of programs and I've been trying to 982 01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:30,760 make contact with him because it was really funny the first time I ever saw 983 01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,479 ancient aliens, and I see this guy pop up, Richard Dody, and 984 01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:36,159 I gonna wait, I know that guy. He was there today of my 985 01:13:36,279 --> 01:13:40,640 debrief. So I've been trying to contact him every since. It took about 986 01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:45,399 four years maybe five, to where he just emailed me. Through another podcast. 987 01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:47,359 I got in touch with him and as their friends, and he sure 988 01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:50,960 enough emailed me and remembered the incident, so I've got that email also. 989 01:13:53,399 --> 01:13:59,800 But anyway, so Colonel Spreaker he questioned me heavily, and then Captain Jack 990 01:14:00,399 --> 01:14:03,960 he had some paperwork with him, and they were all within five feet of 991 01:14:04,039 --> 01:14:08,279 me. And I'm standard at attention, then at ease, not allowed to 992 01:14:08,359 --> 01:14:14,039 sit down yet, and I'm answering questions of the best of my ability. 993 01:14:14,079 --> 01:14:16,760 I'm really I'm honestly, I'm feeling kind of weak. And I think I 994 01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:19,960 even said that. I said, I asked, I asked the Colonels and 995 01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:24,920 can I sit down or I said, I'm not I'm not feeling one hundred 996 01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:29,319 percent Colonels breaker and he, oh, yes. It was like a surprise 997 01:14:29,359 --> 01:14:30,520 to him at that point, he said, they allowed me to sit down. 998 01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:38,359 And so they asked questions the same way we did at the lung control 999 01:14:38,399 --> 01:14:44,840 facility, and my certain grade. He spoke up a couple of times speaking 1000 01:14:45,119 --> 01:14:49,439 to Colonel Spreaker. Oh, and the other guy there was either the assistant 1001 01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:54,279 base commander. He wasn't the base commander, but I believe he was the 1002 01:14:54,319 --> 01:14:58,680 assistant or maybe one of the assistants to an assistant. I don't know, 1003 01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:03,319 but he was there too. And so after about one and a half almost 1004 01:15:03,359 --> 01:15:09,239 two hours of answering their questions, and mind you now it's going on, 1005 01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:13,800 what one o'clock in the afternoon, so I've been up all night when I 1006 01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:17,720 went through all that that morning, travel back there to Ellsworth, to the 1007 01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:24,079 say, to that building, and then still going through questioning. I kept 1008 01:15:24,119 --> 01:15:27,359 asking, you know, what what's going on with Michael Johnson. I was 1009 01:15:27,399 --> 01:15:30,479 told about to worry and don't worry about him, don't worry about He's fine, 1010 01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:38,720 don't worry about him. So when they ran out of questions for the 1011 01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,640 time being, Curls Breaker said, we're going to send you over to the 1012 01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:44,359 flight surgeon's office. They want to they want to take a look at you. 1013 01:15:45,279 --> 01:15:46,880 And I said, yes, sir, and I didn't really give it 1014 01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:49,399 a second thought. And you know, I said, Okay, I guess 1015 01:15:49,399 --> 01:15:54,319 I'll do a blood test or you know, you just I'm thinking ahead without 1016 01:15:54,359 --> 01:16:01,920 any justification at all. Excuse me. And so they escort me and put 1017 01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:06,000 me into the in currentl s Breaker's vehicle. The driver takes me over to 1018 01:16:06,119 --> 01:16:13,239 the hospital and OSI goes also, and those the man with the suit. 1019 01:16:13,319 --> 01:16:15,159 I still don't know who he is. I couldn't get close to note to 1020 01:16:15,239 --> 01:16:16,279 him and ask him. I don't know if I had been breaking up to 1021 01:16:16,279 --> 01:16:20,159 ask him at that particular time. Because you're made to feel you've done something 1022 01:16:20,239 --> 01:16:25,520 wrong, and you know the worst is about to come at you, whatever 1023 01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:28,720 that is, because you didn't fulfill your duty. And the duty we didn't 1024 01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:34,159 do was we didn't do the strike procedure of November five, which I was 1025 01:16:34,199 --> 01:16:38,720 supposed to carry out in the investigation as to what caused those alarms to go 1026 01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:42,720 off. We never did that, and that's that's serious. They didn't have 1027 01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:46,640 an answer as to why those alarms went off, so I'm sure somebody had 1028 01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:50,159 to go out and do that at a later time. But now I'm over 1029 01:16:50,239 --> 01:16:55,640 in the flight surgeon's office, and the flight surgein's office is set up to 1030 01:16:55,720 --> 01:17:01,239 where you have these gray partition walls that about five feet and then on top 1031 01:17:01,279 --> 01:17:04,880 of them was a smoky looking glass. It's around you and yet entrance points 1032 01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:10,720 and exit points, and you know, just comparing that to what it is, 1033 01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:15,960 what a hospital is today, it's these things were this kind of clinic 1034 01:17:15,119 --> 01:17:19,600 was or inspectionary was really different. You know, it's just quick in and 1035 01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:25,399 out kind of thing. I guess. So these two doctors, two flank 1036 01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:29,800 surgeons, I don't know who was the original or who was a backup or 1037 01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:32,920 who was what in a nurse and then the OSI guys they stood direct just 1038 01:17:33,039 --> 01:17:38,800 outside the little partition area where the entrance was. So Richard Dodie was out 1039 01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:41,720 there, and Captain Reeve was out there, and then this other fellow was 1040 01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:45,600 out there, and both the doctors they didn't have name tags or anything on 1041 01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:50,479 on on his white you know, roads weren't even gonna call them and taking 1042 01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:53,760 a look at me, and they were they you know, picked up my 1043 01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:56,119 arms and they were looking at my arms and the back of my hand and 1044 01:17:56,199 --> 01:18:00,840 everything. And that went on for a few minutes. Did all my ears, 1045 01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:03,920 eyes, throat inspection, you know, moved my tongue and all that 1046 01:18:04,039 --> 01:18:10,079 kind of stuff. And they would turn and they would say something to each 1047 01:18:10,119 --> 01:18:12,680 other, but they wouldn't. It wouldn't be a real lout. I was 1048 01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:15,680 trying to hear. I'd say, excuse me, you know what, And 1049 01:18:15,159 --> 01:18:17,479 I see him put on a glove and I just said, oh, no, 1050 01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:21,319 man, you know you're see a doctor put on the glove. You 1051 01:18:21,359 --> 01:18:24,680 know it was a guy. He really didn't, you know what I mean, 1052 01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:27,720 right, But it wasn't that at all, Thank God. He goes, 1053 01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:30,199 I need I need. He said, I'm gonna I need to look 1054 01:18:30,239 --> 01:18:33,039 in your mouth. And I went, what I need to look in your 1055 01:18:33,079 --> 01:18:36,720 mouth? So I opened my mouth and he's got his bin a glove on 1056 01:18:38,279 --> 01:18:43,800 and this guy does the strangest thing. He went all through my gums, 1057 01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:46,960 pressing on my gums top and bottom up in the roof of my mouth, 1058 01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:51,920 under my tongue down there where you're salivating, that kind of stuff under my 1059 01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:56,399 tongue and he's pressing really hard and I'm like, going it bothered me and 1060 01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:59,920 I was like, wow, man, you know that's almost asn't true. 1061 01:19:00,279 --> 01:19:02,600 That's the other thing with the glove, you know what I mean. And 1062 01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:09,399 finally he stopped and I went wow, and the others like Curton says. 1063 01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:12,600 He says, everhba, Woodsie, because we need to take a couple of 1064 01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:17,399 skin samples from you. And totally, you know, everything was just coming 1065 01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:23,560 at me in a surprise mode. I was like what and he goes, 1066 01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:28,880 well, you're burned, and totally out of totally out of my realm, 1067 01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:31,159 I thought at the time, I go burn and he goes, yes, 1068 01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:35,439 he said, son, you're burned, and I said okay, And he 1069 01:19:36,319 --> 01:19:40,199 gets right here on the side of my face, on the upper right eye, 1070 01:19:41,199 --> 01:19:45,720 right right here, I'll take my glasses all right there. My face 1071 01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:48,800 was burned because my beoret was on my head and my beret went down just 1072 01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:53,800 like this, and we just underneath that shadow area. I was burned there. 1073 01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:57,159 And on the back of this right hand as the hand I did not 1074 01:19:57,319 --> 01:20:00,000 have a glove on. So he took two skins samples off the back of 1075 01:20:00,079 --> 01:20:03,920 this hand, like on top of this knuckle and right here between this index 1076 01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:09,079 finger and knuckling. And then they took one skin sample from right up here, 1077 01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:13,560 just clipped it off, and they had two different vials. And what 1078 01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:17,840 he clipped off, you know, he put in the tool and the skin 1079 01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:23,600 sample went into this small little while and it was capped either capture, it 1080 01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:25,800 was plug at the upper court. I don't remember, but I was. 1081 01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:29,680 It was on a little stainless steel trade and I thought, that's so weirdest 1082 01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:32,560 thing, you know, this a skin sample out of the blue from the 1083 01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:36,600 missile field. And I thought at the time, I didn't feel a burn. 1084 01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:40,640 But the next later on that day, when I took a shower, 1085 01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:44,359 I did, you know, Because I mean I was from Tampa, Florida, 1086 01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:46,600 and by god, you get burned down there, you know, your 1087 01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:51,880 sunburned. And so it had been a while since I'd been to Tampa and 1088 01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:59,199 been sunburned, but I definitely knew the feelings of sunburn, and sure enough 1089 01:20:59,399 --> 01:21:01,199 it was earned in him, you know, And it was like back here 1090 01:21:01,239 --> 01:21:08,600 in the back part of my wrist here also, So I had to explain 1091 01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:11,880 that later because they put those they put those really small little band aids on 1092 01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:16,520 me and that I had. Once I was all done and I was able 1093 01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:20,920 to get dressed again, and they checked over here on my knees, they 1094 01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:25,560 checked my legs, you know, but and I was glad it's all they 1095 01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:30,479 did. And that lasted for a probably an hour and twenty minutes, maybe 1096 01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:34,479 our thirty minutes. And then I got dressed, yesterdam because the things in 1097 01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:39,119 which they did, they took moments to talk about it or to do something 1098 01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:44,720 with it between themselves, I don't really know. And so then I was 1099 01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:47,119 allowed to get dressed, and then I was back into Commander's vehicle, driven 1100 01:21:47,159 --> 01:21:50,000 back over to the Saint Tap building where I went back in to see Colonel 1101 01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:56,279 Spreaker again. And I never got offered a water or anything or anything like 1102 01:21:56,399 --> 01:21:58,960 that, you know. Any if I saw I was dying a thirst, 1103 01:21:59,039 --> 01:22:02,880 and if I didn't even see a water fountain, man, it was terrible. 1104 01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:08,600 But so I'll go back in there and the same thing, knock on 1105 01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:11,479 the door to port back into him, go back in their standard attention. 1106 01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:15,319 I mean, it was right to the letter, you know, in every 1107 01:22:15,359 --> 01:22:19,079 way, because again I just felt as if, okay, I'm in trouble 1108 01:22:19,159 --> 01:22:24,279 here, I'm in trouble, and you should not be made to feel that 1109 01:22:24,359 --> 01:22:27,560 way because I wasn't dealing one. Stuff that happened too in the missile field, 1110 01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:31,039 not just at Ellsworth. It might not if he warned or Malstrom. 1111 01:22:31,239 --> 01:22:38,720 I wasn't the only one. So I just want that known. But so 1112 01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:42,000 I was in there for another hour or so, and he went back over 1113 01:22:42,199 --> 01:22:45,840 the entire the entire incident, everything that I told him, and he hands 1114 01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:49,760 me a skill craft pen. And I don't know if you know the magic 1115 01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:56,399 of a skill craft pen, but that US government official pen can calibrate your 1116 01:22:56,600 --> 01:23:00,760 M sixteen, can change your sight setting, and can dislodge round can he 1117 01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:02,960 can help you take down your M sixteen to remove all pins in it. 1118 01:23:03,279 --> 01:23:08,119 And believe me, every soldier's got a damp skill craft pen to write a 1119 01:23:08,159 --> 01:23:13,039 letter home somewhere hidden own his body. But so he gave me that, 1120 01:23:13,159 --> 01:23:15,720 and he gave me a report form, which I thought was a one thousand, 1121 01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:19,880 but it's not. Robert Haysing's helped me decide that one day I could 1122 01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:24,840 remember the report form because I wasn't allowed to keep anything, you know, 1123 01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:28,520 and it's it's hard to bring everything back from you know, forty five years 1124 01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:33,279 ago in a in a you know, in a chronological order, and I'm 1125 01:23:33,319 --> 01:23:36,720 just doing the best that I can do, you know, and it's it's 1126 01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:41,920 as fresh today as it was then, and I just have to keep it 1127 01:23:42,039 --> 01:23:46,600 that way because people have to know. But he puts me in a room 1128 01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:49,640 off the side of his office. I guess it was a small briefing room 1129 01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:54,640 with oak chairs and an oak desk but a skill craft pen, and gives 1130 01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:59,880 me two or three of these forms. And these forms are three pages, 1131 01:24:00,359 --> 01:24:03,239 their carbon copies, and that's about how much it took me. Well, 1132 01:24:03,279 --> 01:24:06,760 but it took me all three pages to write what I just have told you 1133 01:24:09,159 --> 01:24:12,960 on this show to me, you know. And I print very well, 1134 01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:15,720 and I print small, but I got it all in there. And of 1135 01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:17,960 course I signed that and the whole dated in the whole nine yards and I 1136 01:24:18,119 --> 01:24:20,560 was not given a copy of it at all, nor was I given a 1137 01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:24,760 copy of the medical records. And I need to pull my medical records again 1138 01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:28,920 to see if there's anything on there. But once I finished that back into 1139 01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:33,039 his office, I go standing at attention. Then then Captain Jack Reid steps 1140 01:24:33,159 --> 01:24:39,680 up to the desk side Colonel's breaker and he hands in his paperwork, and 1141 01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:44,199 the paperwork is a nondisclosure agreement that as long as I am working in this 1142 01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:51,920 the sensitive or nuclear weapons field and have a secret intact clearance in this job, 1143 01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:57,640 that I cannot disclose, discuss, or release any of this information to 1144 01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:01,359 anybody and anyone And then would you know at any time as long as I 1145 01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:05,640 have a federal clearance where I'm working in the nuclear type in the industry, 1146 01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:10,279 I don't know if they use that word industry, but in then he said 1147 01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:15,119 in the nuclear field, so I would say industry too. That in that 1148 01:25:15,279 --> 01:25:19,479 time US Department of Energy was was the Atomic Energy Commission of not mistaken, 1149 01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:26,600 but I knew of them because we transported. So I agreed to it, 1150 01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:31,399 and I signed it and didn't disclose anything. Then I was allowed to call 1151 01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:39,159 home and arrange or my wife had to come get me, and of course 1152 01:25:39,199 --> 01:25:42,279 she had questions, you know, about what was over my eye and my 1153 01:25:42,399 --> 01:25:45,920 hand. And while I was back so soon instead of being gone three days 1154 01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:48,720 at a time, you know, I really couldn't discuss that, and I 1155 01:25:48,840 --> 01:26:01,039 didn't, and but I honestly I started um immediately having the absolute worst cataclysmic 1156 01:26:01,279 --> 01:26:06,640 apocalyptic dreams that I can't even describe to you, with earthquakes, with atomic 1157 01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:15,960 blast, with the sun blasting us, tidal waves, just things that it 1158 01:26:15,039 --> 01:26:19,239 is just totally off the chain, you know, without anything at all. 1159 01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:24,439 But I've seen anything like that at all. Just these dreams that just wake 1160 01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:30,880 me up. And I had had an additional out of body experience where I 1161 01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:34,439 left my body in a dream and I got to the ceiling and I looked 1162 01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:39,800 down and there's a thread connecting me to my body, and my wife is 1163 01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:44,039 laying there and my cats downstairs on the couch. And then I realized where 1164 01:26:44,079 --> 01:26:46,159 I was, and I took a deep breath, and I woke up set 1165 01:26:46,239 --> 01:26:55,880 up in the bed. I what the hell was that? But it's hard 1166 01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:58,920 for the human mind. I wrap itself around a lot of things that can 1167 01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:00,479 happen, and a lot of things that out there we don't really know exist 1168 01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:05,680 or or what the function is, you know, but there we've been here 1169 01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:09,640 for such a short period of time on this planet. We really don't know 1170 01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:17,439 all of its secrets or even close to its secrets yet. Um I kind 1171 01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:28,119 of wanted to to say that. I guess it was about two weeks eighteen 1172 01:27:28,199 --> 01:27:31,159 days. I was literally thinking about Michael Johnson one day and we were living 1173 01:27:31,199 --> 01:27:38,239 apartments called Hainesway Apartments at the time, upon the second floor and the third 1174 01:27:38,279 --> 01:27:45,680 floor. I care second floor and small apartment, you know, in Rapid 1175 01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:49,640 City, and still there today. I can't believe it. All of a 1176 01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:53,279 sudden had a knock at my door and Michael Johnson was standing there. And 1177 01:27:53,439 --> 01:27:57,800 he's a real nice looking, real light skinned black guy. He was from 1178 01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:01,039 Chicago, is what he told me. And he talked to me more that 1179 01:28:01,159 --> 01:28:04,760 day than he ever spoke to me the entire time in which I met him 1180 01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:11,920 that day that night, and that's that's how I got to know where he 1181 01:28:12,039 --> 01:28:15,680 was from, and just from the home of address in Chicago, and he 1182 01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:17,119 wrote all that down for me. But we sat down and we tasted. 1183 01:28:17,239 --> 01:28:21,479 I got to talk to you about this. He goes and he lived in 1184 01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:26,279 the barracks, and he spoke to somebody knowing that I lived downtown, that 1185 01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:32,199 I was married at the dime and wherever I lived. So I put him 1186 01:28:32,239 --> 01:28:34,840 on the couch or the dining room table, I can't remember which now, 1187 01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:43,279 but gave him some paper and something to draw with, and he drew the 1188 01:28:43,359 --> 01:28:51,520 same type of craft that I Drew Drew the site described what he felt, 1189 01:28:54,760 --> 01:29:00,760 and I really didn't say anything until he said, I ken't hearing in me, 1190 01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:05,840 do not fear so he heard that. He heard that also it wasn't 1191 01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:11,159 just me, he heard it as well. But the most perplexing part of 1192 01:29:11,239 --> 01:29:15,680 the whole conversation, which he stayed pubbly an hour and a half maybe two 1193 01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:18,880 hours. I think he was uncomfortable talking about him, as I was too, 1194 01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:23,880 and of course she had never heard about it it is before. But 1195 01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:27,720 he said, I remember, I remember your glove on a shiny floor. 1196 01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:34,479 And I immediately I said, I said, what in my glove? He's 1197 01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:38,199 talking about my mittens? And I said, you talking about my mittens. 1198 01:29:38,239 --> 01:29:41,479 He goes, yeah, is our armor your glove on his shiny floor? 1199 01:29:43,399 --> 01:29:45,439 I said, I said, Michael, I said, Evelyn fifty four has 1200 01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:49,960 black rubber floor mats, most and usually dirty. You know, I mean 1201 01:29:50,279 --> 01:29:55,000 from getting in and out you know what we do. He goes, no, 1202 01:29:55,159 --> 01:29:58,880 he goes, I remember that glove on a real bright, shiny floor. 1203 01:30:00,199 --> 01:30:01,800 So I just jumped off the couch and jumped up, and he's sitting 1204 01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:04,279 with that said. Just a minute, I went straight around the corner to 1205 01:30:04,359 --> 01:30:08,920 my bedroom and I grabbed my my ditty bag as we call them, or 1206 01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:12,319 a war bag, whatever you want to say. And you know it skids 1207 01:30:12,399 --> 01:30:15,000 got your underwear hole trees has got everything in a little radio. It's got 1208 01:30:15,039 --> 01:30:19,319 all kinds of stuff in it, you know. And I just unsipped it 1209 01:30:19,399 --> 01:30:23,319 and I just turned it over on the couch and needed to be cleaned out 1210 01:30:23,319 --> 01:30:25,560 anyway. Of course, she didn't ride with that, but I did. 1211 01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:29,840 And low and behold, man, my left hand glove was there, but 1212 01:30:30,039 --> 01:30:34,359 that right hand glove had gone. I never never recovered that glove. And 1213 01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:41,000 an Air Force B fifty two pilot gave me those gloves as my first second 1214 01:30:41,079 --> 01:30:45,119 night at Ellsworth when I arrived there, staying in the VIAQ barracks, you 1215 01:30:45,199 --> 01:30:47,640 know, awaiting my dorm assignment, you know, checking into the base when 1216 01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:53,079 I burst arrived there. So it really sat me down when I realized my 1217 01:30:53,199 --> 01:30:58,680 glove was gone. But yet the recollection of him seeing that on a shiny 1218 01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:03,800 floor just just blew me up. I was I was like, wow, 1219 01:31:04,279 --> 01:31:10,159 you know, what can you say? And so I had his information and 1220 01:31:10,279 --> 01:31:13,399 I kept it in my bible, the Bible of the pastor gave me when 1221 01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:17,119 my father passed away for years, and of course I've moved several hundred times 1222 01:31:17,159 --> 01:31:24,039 since then, I believe as said my que clearance. But anyway, I 1223 01:31:24,119 --> 01:31:27,960 don't have that information today. But we've been looking for him or really hard 1224 01:31:28,039 --> 01:31:31,760 for about the last five years on every platform social social media platform and you 1225 01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:36,960 can think of and if anybody has any idea of a man named Michael Johnson 1226 01:31:38,039 --> 01:31:41,119 then served in the Air Force or was any Air Force during seventy seven or 1227 01:31:41,199 --> 01:31:46,720 DALs with Air Force base, I'll leave you my number, my emails Mwoods 1228 01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:51,079 one seventy five at gmail dot com. Email me. I'll send you my 1229 01:31:51,119 --> 01:31:56,000 phone number from that point and I'll answer any question that you have at any 1230 01:31:56,079 --> 01:32:01,159 time. I just want you to know, so he let and you know 1231 01:32:01,319 --> 01:32:04,119 then you just I just had to continue dealing with it. And of course 1232 01:32:04,199 --> 01:32:08,479 I never went back to November Control. They sent me to the advantage of 1233 01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:11,760 the Alternati command post, which was Kilo one, and I worked with a 1234 01:32:12,239 --> 01:32:15,319 fellow named Mark Wade. We had the same initials and he outranked you about 1235 01:32:15,319 --> 01:32:18,680 two months, so I became his team member and I hated but anyway, 1236 01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:24,520 I do what you got to do right right, and I wouldn't but a 1237 01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:30,159 few months later. Well, while I did see after that time, saw 1238 01:32:30,199 --> 01:32:35,039 two cattle mutilations and on a rancher's farm, and it was a couple of 1239 01:32:35,119 --> 01:32:39,960 deputy sheriffs there and a US federal marshal that was there. And that lady 1240 01:32:40,039 --> 01:32:43,880 Linda Moulton, how she came out to the field. She was at Alsworth 1241 01:32:44,039 --> 01:32:46,880 or in Rapid City, and she was trying to find people that had witnessed 1242 01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:50,960 these things before, and she was talking to local veterinarians, which mot veterinarian 1243 01:32:51,039 --> 01:32:55,199 said that you know, he had he had investigated a couple of days and 1244 01:32:55,279 --> 01:33:00,279 had never seen anything quite liked it. But anyway, I worked in aren't 1245 01:33:00,279 --> 01:33:04,880 wait until I received an assignment just a short period time later to go to 1246 01:33:05,159 --> 01:33:10,520 osan air based career on a company. And the thing about that was, 1247 01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:15,239 you know, a remote assignment. If you volunteer for an additional year, 1248 01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:18,720 they usually let you take your spouse with you. But when I went to 1249 01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:21,520 see Colonel Spraaker, that was not allowed. He said, no, you're 1250 01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:25,800 going to remote, and that was the end of that matter. So I 1251 01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:29,279 ended up I ended up going by myself, which is really good anyway. 1252 01:33:29,399 --> 01:33:35,520 So I just had to deal with that, but to no avail have we 1253 01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:45,760 been able to locate Michael Johnson and Margert Hastings, the investigator that I'm in 1254 01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:54,359 his last book, Confessions and UFOs and news. Also he I heard him 1255 01:33:54,399 --> 01:33:59,680 on Coast to coast one night and he was just so factual and so detail 1256 01:33:59,800 --> 01:34:02,920 or that I just took a chance and I got to hold him directly because 1257 01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:08,159 he put his he put his information out there, and he said he wouldn't 1258 01:34:08,199 --> 01:34:10,520 want her to speak to me. And I think it was twenty sixteen, 1259 01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:15,640 twenty fifteen, I'm not sure. It just seems so natural to pick up 1260 01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:18,159 the phone and call him at any given time today that I don't even think 1261 01:34:18,159 --> 01:34:23,319 about that any longer, because I don't do anything like this or any any 1262 01:34:23,359 --> 01:34:27,520 of the networks without first running a by Robert. And that's just the way 1263 01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:31,520 it is, because you know, there are some unscrupulous people that do unscrupulous 1264 01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:36,000 things, and in this field, I hate to say it, but I'm 1265 01:34:36,039 --> 01:34:40,119 not one of them, and I'm not going to do anybody bad or say 1266 01:34:40,159 --> 01:34:44,439 anything that I haven't experienced there is not true. So we don't do it 1267 01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:47,840 for money, and just do it for people's knowledge, because there's something out 1268 01:34:47,880 --> 01:34:53,399 there and maybe more than one something. It may be under our oceans and 1269 01:34:53,479 --> 01:34:56,039 they under our mountains and then maybe on that moon. I don't know, 1270 01:34:56,560 --> 01:35:00,760 but they're here and they've been here a very very long time. Agreed. 1271 01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:05,520 Excuse me, I said, Agreed, I completely agree with that assessment. 1272 01:35:05,560 --> 01:35:14,199 I feel the same way the so. Once I was out of the Air 1273 01:35:14,279 --> 01:35:18,000 Force USDOE was. Prior to that, I lost my mom. We lost 1274 01:35:18,039 --> 01:35:21,920 our mother, and I think it was eighty two. I got back to 1275 01:35:23,039 --> 01:35:26,800 pre and eighty and I can't remember the exact time. My sister does. 1276 01:35:26,840 --> 01:35:29,800 She'll probably slapped me when she sees me next time for not remembering. But 1277 01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:43,600 um, I I went to work for the US Department of Energy. They 1278 01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:50,239 were hiring security inspectors across the entire US weapons nuclear weapons complexes, which entailed 1279 01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:56,840 Lost Almos or oak Ridge National Laboratories, General Electric, new Ton Devices, 1280 01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:59,960 where I was located for by six years, five years, six years, 1281 01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:05,640 I can remember. But all the facilities were hiring x law enforcement and military 1282 01:36:05,680 --> 01:36:11,720 and paramilitary personnel to secure these facilities because prior to that time they literally had 1283 01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:15,159 Keystone cops securing these sites, and they knew things were ramping up. And 1284 01:36:15,199 --> 01:36:19,880 getting more serious. So they hire people that had prior training and weapons knowledge 1285 01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:24,840 and tactical knowledge, and I happened to be one of them. So I 1286 01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:28,560 worked for them for a total of fourteen years and really enjoyed it. And 1287 01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:32,359 it was laid off at the oak Bridge facility in ninety six and then moved 1288 01:36:32,359 --> 01:36:38,600 to the Brunswiy, Georgia area where I now reside and worked for Georgia Pacific, 1289 01:36:38,680 --> 01:36:44,920 which is Brunswick Salos here in Brunswick. But the Department of Energy is 1290 01:36:45,279 --> 01:36:49,359 really a unique entity in the government arm You know, what they developed is 1291 01:36:49,479 --> 01:36:57,479 not just nuclear weapons or are recapturing things of old and they do so much 1292 01:36:57,520 --> 01:37:00,680 stuff for NASA and the Navy and some many different organizations. We just we 1293 01:37:00,840 --> 01:37:03,920 just literally can't do without him. And I've been in Los Alamo, has 1294 01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:08,960 been in Sandia National Labs and in training with some of the best guys in 1295 01:37:09,039 --> 01:37:15,199 the country out in Sandigo and Security Response Team training, and then go all 1296 01:37:15,239 --> 01:37:17,159 the way to SRT four, which is protection of the President, just like 1297 01:37:17,439 --> 01:37:24,000 everybody at the Secret Service anybody else does for that matter. And it's really, 1298 01:37:24,159 --> 01:37:27,880 um, it's like it's a good feeling, know when these guys are 1299 01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:30,119 out there because they can really do a really good job and we need that. 1300 01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:45,920 So, Matt, what do you have next there? Man? Now, 1301 01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:47,880 have you got any questions or what you'd like me? I do? 1302 01:37:48,079 --> 01:37:51,119 So let's let's touch on a couple of things. So I understand that the 1303 01:37:51,199 --> 01:37:56,399 launch facilities there are I think you spoke about this. There are an outer 1304 01:37:56,520 --> 01:38:00,520 perimeter alarm. Oh yeah, what is the peris of the inner perimeter alarm? 1305 01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:06,439 And what would that tell you? Okay, well, it's like a 1306 01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:14,239 three or four stage program. Really, there are security barriers within security barriers 1307 01:38:14,720 --> 01:38:18,760 to get to that missile, and it's virtually impossible. You couldn't you couldn't 1308 01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:24,640 damage it easy enough to be able to have access to that missile to start 1309 01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:29,399 with. And I'm sure measures have been taken today even further those endeavors. 1310 01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:33,880 But at that particular time, you had an above ground antenna array which could 1311 01:38:33,880 --> 01:38:39,680 pick up anything, you know, that was big as a fist or a 1312 01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:43,039 bird, you know, those little kite birds you see, you know, 1313 01:38:43,119 --> 01:38:46,439 walking around rocky driveways and stuff. They were our nemesis. Man. We 1314 01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:50,640 spent so much time and money chasing those birds off those sites, and of 1315 01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:55,560 course they laid nests there eggs that you can never detect or see in the 1316 01:38:55,680 --> 01:38:59,199 rocks. I wouldn't disturb them anyway, I said right there with him. 1317 01:38:59,239 --> 01:39:01,479 I I don't hunt. I just do tactical shootings all I do. But 1318 01:39:02,760 --> 01:39:06,399 so any and in the wintertime, of course, the whole site gets buried 1319 01:39:06,479 --> 01:39:12,039 with blizards type snow, and you if you want to go back and get 1320 01:39:12,119 --> 01:39:15,399 in a bed at a launch control facility to reset that alarm, you sometimes 1321 01:39:15,479 --> 01:39:19,039 have to dig those antennas out, and it could be four or five feet 1322 01:39:19,079 --> 01:39:23,840 of snow. It could spend quite a quite a long night out there trying 1323 01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:26,600 to dig them out, or you just parked the vehicle over inside the gate, 1324 01:39:27,119 --> 01:39:30,239 inside the fence line in a clearing and a little clearer like on the 1325 01:39:30,319 --> 01:39:33,680 helicopter path, and you just spend the night there until the next day until 1326 01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:36,880 you can see that you know, or you get relieved, or you dig 1327 01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:41,920 the deadgume antenna's out. Now. Additionally, there we have you know, 1328 01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:47,319 there's a there's an underground support building also which keeps that rocket dehumidified because they 1329 01:39:47,359 --> 01:39:50,800 were solid few rockets at the time, and it's underground, and that's part 1330 01:39:50,840 --> 01:39:56,560 of an investigative sequence that would take place in what should have been done that 1331 01:39:56,760 --> 01:40:02,039 night. And then secondly or thirdly, there is another area which I don't 1332 01:40:02,039 --> 01:40:06,119 want to get into, but it is a it's literally a plug, and 1333 01:40:06,239 --> 01:40:13,520 then underneath that and that's opened by a different means, and then underneath that 1334 01:40:13,680 --> 01:40:15,439 is another one. So it goes down, goes down, goes down. 1335 01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:20,800 The blast door that is protecting that rocket is a thirteen ton blast door and 1336 01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:26,359 it's concrete steel, and it's sitting on railroad tracks. And at the end 1337 01:40:26,359 --> 01:40:28,960 of that blast door there's a great big or at the end of the rail 1338 01:40:29,039 --> 01:40:32,359 system, which is quite short really, maybe only twenty feet or so, 1339 01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:38,079 I can't remember, but there's a really large steel plate. And what the 1340 01:40:38,199 --> 01:40:43,399 in hopes that did was when that door was blown off immediately through conventional explosions 1341 01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:48,000 explosives, that the door would be tripped upward and backward, and so that 1342 01:40:48,079 --> 01:40:55,439 would allow the missile to fly freely and instantaneous. I mean, solid fuel 1343 01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:59,399 rocket is no warm up. There's you know, no nitrine lines fed to 1344 01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:01,319 it. It just it just goes like a like a bullet out of a 1345 01:41:01,359 --> 01:41:04,800 gun, you know. But you know, some other things that I wanted 1346 01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:11,640 to discuss was that a lot of times, you know, as other officers, 1347 01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:18,199 launch control officers talk about their missiles going offline and offline and not having 1348 01:41:18,199 --> 01:41:25,520 any control of them. Sometimes they don't go offline and they still don't have 1349 01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:30,359 control over them, but it would initiate a launch sequence. This happened several 1350 01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:34,239 times that I responded to, and I knew what happened more across the field 1351 01:41:34,279 --> 01:41:41,479 than it's ever talked about. But in essence, a literal countdown would start. 1352 01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:45,039 Wow for the rocket itself. Yeah, and so you know, remind 1353 01:41:45,119 --> 01:41:49,119 you each launch control facility had was responsible for ten missiles, but we only 1354 01:41:49,159 --> 01:41:54,239 had two responsive vehicles, one for the backup a thirteen that are off duty, 1355 01:41:54,279 --> 01:41:57,880 and one for the primary when we were on duty. So if these 1356 01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:00,560 things activated that way, so you'd get a quick call from the launch officers 1357 01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:08,399 and say go to whatever site November ten, for instance, When you get 1358 01:42:08,439 --> 01:42:12,159 there, open the gate, drive your vehicle on top of that blast door, 1359 01:42:12,399 --> 01:42:17,199 put it in neutral in the direction of the cattle trail of the railing 1360 01:42:17,279 --> 01:42:20,439 system on the blast door, put it in neutral, and get off the 1361 01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:26,399 site and set up a one mile entry control point or ECP. And you 1362 01:42:26,479 --> 01:42:30,119 know you shake your head and you go, what, I've never been told 1363 01:42:30,159 --> 01:42:33,119 such a thing. But what that was in hopes of doing that if it 1364 01:42:33,319 --> 01:42:39,640 did launch, which it never did, would be to the door, would 1365 01:42:40,079 --> 01:42:44,479 literally blast out from underneath the vehicle, and the vehicle in neutral it would 1366 01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:47,720 just roll down on top of that rocket and hopefully destroy the gyro or the 1367 01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:53,039 guidance system and just cause it to shoot out of the ground and crash somewhere 1368 01:42:53,279 --> 01:42:58,359 real close by. That was the only measure that I knew of that or 1369 01:42:58,439 --> 01:43:02,840 I was told that would work. So we did that a couple of times, 1370 01:43:03,199 --> 01:43:06,600 not just in November, but other sides like maybe down an Echo or 1371 01:43:08,760 --> 01:43:12,479 Oscar area or maybe even Kilo area. But I know I did it two 1372 01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:15,039 or three times. But you were you were aware of other security forces that 1373 01:43:15,159 --> 01:43:20,279 had to execute the same procedure. Oh yeah, absolutely was. That was 1374 01:43:20,359 --> 01:43:24,640 an soop. Yeah, it wasn't written down, but that was an soop 1375 01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:27,720 between all of us and say, well, we'll tried to launch today, 1376 01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:32,119 you know. Wow. And when this was brought up that these missiles were 1377 01:43:32,159 --> 01:43:38,319 an Accountdownlode was part of the information disseminated to you that there was some kind 1378 01:43:38,399 --> 01:43:43,319 of UAP or UFO interference or they just kind of set up We don't know 1379 01:43:43,359 --> 01:43:46,800 why this is in countdownlode just go sit on top of the rocket. Just 1380 01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:50,680 didn't know why. And I never saw anything. I never saw anything that 1381 01:43:50,720 --> 01:43:55,039 would have caused it at that particular time, you know, when we were 1382 01:43:55,119 --> 01:43:58,359 sent out there, and that would have been like after the fact anyway, 1383 01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:00,520 if something had done it. They just wanted to observe what was going on. 1384 01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:02,760 They didn't have to do it at thirty feet in air. That they 1385 01:44:02,800 --> 01:44:08,479 could do it from probably miles in the sky, you know, and sorry 1386 01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:13,119 going to have there's a bit of delay. Oh, I think honestly that 1387 01:44:13,680 --> 01:44:18,159 you know, they don't have to or whoever they is, they don't have 1388 01:44:18,359 --> 01:44:23,319 to sit thirty or forty feet in the atmosphere to watch who shows up, 1389 01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:28,319 you know, in response to a particular alarm. I literally think that they 1390 01:44:28,479 --> 01:44:34,840 have knowledge where they see every single thing that's underground wired directly over many many 1391 01:44:34,920 --> 01:44:41,199 miles back to that launch control facility. Additionally, there's other measures and means 1392 01:44:41,399 --> 01:44:45,000 to launch those missiles, not just from that launch control facility. They could 1393 01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:47,760 be you know, it could be launched up from other entities. As put 1394 01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:55,439 it that way going back to the intrusion alarm. So so from what I 1395 01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:59,000 understand, the exterior and perimeter alarms US could be set off, you know, 1396 01:44:59,039 --> 01:45:00,560 as you were talking about, by birds or anything like that, and 1397 01:45:00,840 --> 01:45:09,479 was somewhat of a common occurrence. How often were how often were the inner 1398 01:45:09,800 --> 01:45:15,720 ones triggered? Not very often and usually not both in conjunction with one another. 1399 01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:18,079 You'd have one or the other, but very rarely would you have both 1400 01:45:18,159 --> 01:45:24,560 at the same time. And that and this alarm would indicate that someone was 1401 01:45:24,680 --> 01:45:30,479 walking around inside the site. Wow, something penetrated outer and then enter. 1402 01:45:30,760 --> 01:45:33,880 Just I don't know what the time frame from one activation to the other. 1403 01:45:34,199 --> 01:45:36,600 Could have been a minute, could have been three minutes, could have been 1404 01:45:36,640 --> 01:45:41,520 thirty seconds. You did I was We were never told that. We were 1405 01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:45,279 just told of the situation. And of course that followed a different set of 1406 01:45:45,439 --> 01:45:50,880 steps in order to accomplish what you know, the investigative measure would be up 1407 01:45:50,920 --> 01:45:57,760 to and including the use of deadly force. That just sends chills down my 1408 01:45:57,880 --> 01:46:04,119 spine thinking about that. When when you when you were going for the deep, 1409 01:46:04,359 --> 01:46:09,039 when you were going in to be debriefed and in a FOSI had a 1410 01:46:09,640 --> 01:46:15,720 FOSI agents there, and I think you said Richard Dodi was there as well. 1411 01:46:16,479 --> 01:46:23,079 Did any of this seem to surprise them? Was this sort of a 1412 01:46:23,239 --> 01:46:27,560 shock they'd never heard anything like that before. Did you ever get any sort 1413 01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:33,640 of impression as to whether this was surprising or or something that had happened before. 1414 01:46:36,359 --> 01:46:41,800 They really shielded those thoughts. Are those energies away from me in a 1415 01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:48,119 way in which I was just I feel as if they tried to just discredit 1416 01:46:48,239 --> 01:46:51,880 me, just say no, that can't happen, that that couldn't have happened. 1417 01:46:53,039 --> 01:46:56,239 You know, nothing that big could fly. And when I told Colonel's 1418 01:46:56,239 --> 01:46:59,279 breaker, I said, yeah things, I said that object was larger than 1419 01:46:59,319 --> 01:47:00,960 his, say, tad building. Man, you know, he just looked 1420 01:47:01,000 --> 01:47:04,319 at me like I was batshit crazy, It really did. I mean, 1421 01:47:04,399 --> 01:47:08,560 they had little grins on their face like, yeah, this guy's just letting 1422 01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:12,840 it all go here, you know, oh man? That yeah? I 1423 01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:15,520 mean, really don't know if you've got a career left or not. And 1424 01:47:15,680 --> 01:47:19,720 had I said that I saw those four being three small and one tall, 1425 01:47:19,800 --> 01:47:25,640 being outside of that window before I passed out, I wouldn't probab wouldn't be 1426 01:47:25,720 --> 01:47:28,800 here right now. I don't know where i'd be, But we still can't 1427 01:47:28,840 --> 01:47:31,600 find Michael Johnson anywhere, and it really bothers me that we can, because 1428 01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:35,199 now you can find literally anybody today, you know. I mean, is 1429 01:47:35,239 --> 01:47:39,720 he in a hospital as he passed on, or he's got to be a 1430 01:47:39,800 --> 01:47:43,079 family member, he had to have children. Sometimes he wasn't married at the 1431 01:47:43,119 --> 01:47:46,079 time, he was a single guy. Any grandparents still living. I mean, 1432 01:47:46,319 --> 01:47:49,079 I know my age, and he's got to be around the same age 1433 01:47:49,159 --> 01:47:51,800 or maybe a little bit older, you know. I don't know, but 1434 01:47:54,479 --> 01:47:58,640 it would really be nice to talk to him because the only really substantiation that 1435 01:47:58,760 --> 01:48:04,960 I have is is Michael john is Richard Dody sending me out an email. 1436 01:48:05,079 --> 01:48:10,520 I mean, he really verified, you know what, that he was there 1437 01:48:11,039 --> 01:48:13,960 and his job. He told me in the email, I could get it 1438 01:48:14,079 --> 01:48:17,159 up here for you, that he was tasked with going back to the flight 1439 01:48:17,199 --> 01:48:23,600 surgeon's office and obtaining our medical records from myself and the other security policeman whom 1440 01:48:23,640 --> 01:48:27,119 he did not name. He said he didn't remember much about it because he 1441 01:48:27,319 --> 01:48:34,000 was he was studying sack communications or something. I don't know, but anyway, 1442 01:48:34,039 --> 01:48:36,239 that's what he told me, and I've got it an email, so 1443 01:48:38,119 --> 01:48:41,000 that and some military records and so forth that I have. I mean, 1444 01:48:41,159 --> 01:48:45,439 that's that's all I can do. I don't even have I don't have any 1445 01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:49,199 pictures. I went through a divorce and I guess all that was thrown away. 1446 01:48:49,239 --> 01:48:58,880 I really don't know personal pictures anything. It's just so the Air Force 1447 01:48:58,960 --> 01:49:06,920 Office of Special Investigations AFOSI, they confiscated your medical records. Uh they yeah, 1448 01:49:08,039 --> 01:49:12,039 they had him. They know what I have today doesn't really doesn't pertain 1449 01:49:12,159 --> 01:49:15,800 to what I just told you at all. Okay, Okay, now I 1450 01:49:15,920 --> 01:49:19,960 understand you eventually went through hypnosis to recall what happened during this missing time. 1451 01:49:20,399 --> 01:49:30,199 UH tell us about that. Uh, Doctor Upton UH did that the first 1452 01:49:30,239 --> 01:49:35,279 time, and Robert Hastings helped me with that a great deal, and U 1453 01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:41,399 refer him to me and he came to my home here in Brunswick and it 1454 01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:47,159 lasted for a little over I guess almost two hours, and he took a 1455 01:49:47,239 --> 01:49:58,000 DVD of it, and uh, I know I was examined. I had 1456 01:50:00,319 --> 01:50:04,359 quite a bit of pain associated with it, especially in my left wrist. 1457 01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:10,399 I had eye contact with the tall one which scared me literally to death, 1458 01:50:10,479 --> 01:50:14,399 and it put me in a fib I didn't know it at the time because 1459 01:50:14,439 --> 01:50:25,079 I've never had any heart trouble before. And I was put in some type 1460 01:50:25,079 --> 01:50:29,960 of a of a gel stuff, don't I don't know if it was like 1461 01:50:30,119 --> 01:50:33,319 a I don't know what it was, but it was some kind of gel 1462 01:50:33,439 --> 01:50:38,880 that I was submerged in. I was breathing some kind of a fluid for 1463 01:50:38,960 --> 01:50:44,319 a short period of time, and I heard whispers within me, not around 1464 01:50:44,399 --> 01:50:50,079 me, but within me. It was something placed right here on the back 1465 01:50:50,159 --> 01:50:54,039 of my on the back of my head or the back of my neck and 1466 01:50:54,159 --> 01:51:01,479 ear that I never saw. But I thought it was a crabs. You 1467 01:51:01,560 --> 01:51:05,079 thought it was a sorry, I thought it was a crab or something. 1468 01:51:05,119 --> 01:51:08,239 I don't know what it was, but it wasn't my heir. And it 1469 01:51:08,279 --> 01:51:15,640 would vibrate and it changed temperatures now And that was in my second hypnosis with 1470 01:51:15,800 --> 01:51:25,600 a Van Smith from zero just recently. But Michael Johnson was there with me, 1471 01:51:26,319 --> 01:51:28,960 even though I couldn't see him. I kept asking about him, and 1472 01:51:29,039 --> 01:51:32,760 I was told not to worry about him in this internal voice or however you 1473 01:51:32,840 --> 01:51:41,319 want to say it. The tall one was very menacing and had me by 1474 01:51:41,439 --> 01:51:44,800 the lower part of my right arm and elbow and was doing something to my 1475 01:51:44,960 --> 01:51:48,760 right wrist in which I have I don't know if I had problems in my 1476 01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:55,000 right wrist today from anything, but I don't know. I have pain associated 1477 01:51:55,079 --> 01:51:58,680 with that, and in that in that hypnosis session, I went through great 1478 01:51:58,800 --> 01:52:00,600 pain with that, like down in the middle part of my arm. I 1479 01:52:00,640 --> 01:52:06,880 don't know what that represents or does. I was placed somewhere literally by myself, 1480 01:52:08,199 --> 01:52:11,560 and I've never had a fear of being alone, but I did then. 1481 01:52:12,840 --> 01:52:15,119 I don't know the entire duration of the whole process of what they did 1482 01:52:17,399 --> 01:52:40,000 and what they did at that time. The the feeling of being completely in 1483 01:52:40,159 --> 01:52:44,279 blackness and alone is not something that I wish on anybody, and I don't 1484 01:52:44,319 --> 01:52:50,720 know. I don't like thinking about it. I can't stand any type of 1485 01:52:51,199 --> 01:52:57,359 small digital light or any kind of light to be in my room or anywhere 1486 01:52:57,399 --> 01:52:59,920 I sleep. I have to I have to sleep in darkness. I don't 1487 01:52:59,920 --> 01:53:03,520 know why that is, but any kind of light being emitted from another room 1488 01:53:03,800 --> 01:53:12,560 or from a small device or a charger for instance, that really just eats 1489 01:53:12,640 --> 01:53:15,439 me up. And I literally can't close my eyes from that. I don't 1490 01:53:15,479 --> 01:53:26,479 know why, but it just happens. Full moons can't sleep, and I 1491 01:53:26,600 --> 01:53:33,479 don't know what all was done, and that first did no secession, but 1492 01:53:33,640 --> 01:53:43,560 I probably felt the most fear for my life in existence without without being dead 1493 01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:50,279 that I can even relate to anybody. I never experienced anything like that, 1494 01:53:50,359 --> 01:54:02,159 and I hope I never do again. And that was forty something years later, 1495 01:54:02,560 --> 01:54:06,319 that that's the first time I've ever done that, and I had thought 1496 01:54:06,319 --> 01:54:10,680 about it before, but you know, you kind of I'd only told one 1497 01:54:10,720 --> 01:54:15,039 other psychologist about it a long time ago, and that was in that was 1498 01:54:15,239 --> 01:54:20,600 in Tennessee when I was there. But that was some problems there and had 1499 01:54:20,600 --> 01:54:25,119 to be really careful because no matter what I felt, I could never I 1500 01:54:25,199 --> 01:54:30,039 could never disclose anything about that the whole incident. You know, while I 1501 01:54:30,159 --> 01:54:33,520 had a Q clearance with the US Department of Energy, and about every couple 1502 01:54:33,560 --> 01:54:39,039 of years they would do a reinvestigation. They called them randoms, and it 1503 01:54:39,199 --> 01:54:42,560 was just really strange how they just kept hitting me. They hit me about 1504 01:54:42,600 --> 01:54:47,399 three times. And in my in my time at the USDA League and always 1505 01:54:47,479 --> 01:54:54,319 hinted around this subject matter in some way that I witnessed something that transpired, 1506 01:54:54,399 --> 01:54:58,159 you know, while in the Air Force that was of importance that that that 1507 01:54:58,239 --> 01:55:01,399 I need to discuss or related them. And I used to always say no, 1508 01:55:01,720 --> 01:55:08,920 no, more than anybody else. And it had to be really careful 1509 01:55:09,000 --> 01:55:12,840 how you worded things because it was never just one investigator. There was always 1510 01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:16,079 the area office security officer, and then they had to you know, then 1511 01:55:16,119 --> 01:55:20,359 they would bring in like other people from the Office of Personnel Management, like 1512 01:55:20,479 --> 01:55:26,319 they may have been from DC or from oak Ridge area, because oak Ridge 1513 01:55:26,399 --> 01:55:30,359 is like a central I don't know, like a central hub of direct communication 1514 01:55:30,439 --> 01:55:38,199 with DC. I'm not sure, but that happened a few times. And 1515 01:55:40,239 --> 01:55:43,920 my original my first clearance took over eight months to obtain. Now, I 1516 01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:46,880 did have a lot of addresses, but I never had any criminal activity of 1517 01:55:46,880 --> 01:55:50,880 any kind duct that I've never been arrested or anything like that. And it 1518 01:55:51,039 --> 01:55:57,359 just seemed I was more questioned about my time at Ellsworth and my security police 1519 01:55:57,439 --> 01:56:02,760 duties and functions than anything else that they had to ask me about. I 1520 01:56:02,800 --> 01:56:06,000 mean, they didn't ask me, you know, about a lot of things 1521 01:56:06,239 --> 01:56:13,319 that I don't know. It just really really struck me strange that you know, 1522 01:56:13,479 --> 01:56:15,880 that was kind of, I don't know, gleaned out of everything that 1523 01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:19,840 I had already had and written down. I just never would discuss that. 1524 01:56:19,920 --> 01:56:24,520 And again, had I said, you know, well I saw some beings 1525 01:56:25,960 --> 01:56:29,760 then that Q clearance would have been gone and I would never obtained my job. 1526 01:56:29,920 --> 01:56:33,239 And you know, and I supported my family from that. And you 1527 01:56:33,319 --> 01:56:38,840 know, I volunteered for all kinds of different things, and Los Alamos is 1528 01:56:38,880 --> 01:56:42,159 one of them. I wanted to advanced Nuclear Research Facility for a while and 1529 01:56:44,039 --> 01:56:46,880 I really enjoyed that. It was a heck of a learning experience and trained 1530 01:56:46,920 --> 01:56:50,239 as India and with a lot of my buddies. So I still have contact 1531 01:56:50,279 --> 01:56:53,840 with today, best friends in the world. I can call them for anything 1532 01:56:53,880 --> 01:56:56,800 and they know of this. Also. They didn't know of it then, 1533 01:56:56,880 --> 01:57:00,960 but they knew of it now. I've only told one guy and he's since 1534 01:57:00,119 --> 01:57:06,640 and Martial Arts and Carl Adams, and I spoke to him at length when 1535 01:57:06,680 --> 01:57:11,600 I was when we were working together at Neutron Devices in Largo, Florida, 1536 01:57:11,960 --> 01:57:15,439 and he remembered exactly when I told him, so he was really the only 1537 01:57:15,479 --> 01:57:20,279 person I ever discussed with. And I didn't even tell my wife until after 1538 01:57:20,359 --> 01:57:27,520 I had lost my job at an Oak Ridge. I went out. I 1539 01:57:27,640 --> 01:57:32,199 got laid off at about ten thousand people in ninety six when they de escalated 1540 01:57:32,319 --> 01:57:38,159 some of the weapons grade materials and sent it out to lost Alimos because of 1541 01:57:38,199 --> 01:57:41,920 the population around the facilities. And that's usually what happened. That's what happened 1542 01:57:41,960 --> 01:57:45,960 in neutron devices in Largo, Florida. You know, the population became so 1543 01:57:45,159 --> 01:57:53,000 great that they couldn't risk the exodus of any kind of of a claquston alarm, 1544 01:57:53,199 --> 01:58:00,239 gas from uranium or plutonium production, or machining or building, or a 1545 01:58:00,279 --> 01:58:06,399 criticality of a given substance or material, so that they start de escalating at 1546 01:58:06,439 --> 01:58:12,520 and sending those things and those processes to different sites that you know, have 1547 01:58:12,720 --> 01:58:15,079 less of a population, like on the plateau of Los Alamos, you don't 1548 01:58:15,079 --> 01:58:19,039 have any people. I mean, I think there's more people in Los Alamos 1549 01:58:19,119 --> 01:58:24,239 now the PhDs and anywhere else in the country. And at one time that 1550 01:58:24,359 --> 01:58:30,119 was Overkridge during the Manhattan Project. So it's really a unique field to be 1551 01:58:30,279 --> 01:58:32,800 in, and I'm just glad I got to be part of it for as 1552 01:58:32,840 --> 01:58:35,680 long as I did. I really enjoyed it. Learned a lot of things. 1553 01:58:38,359 --> 01:58:44,079 I'm curious jumping back to your to your to the hypnosis session and I'm 1554 01:58:44,119 --> 01:58:47,880 going to ask a couple more questions and then and then we're gonna get into 1555 01:58:47,920 --> 01:58:56,479 some listener questions. What was it about that tall being that was so terrifying 1556 01:58:56,840 --> 01:59:00,920 to you compared to the others. I think it was a difference in facial 1557 01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:13,920 structure, for one, the height, the the awareness maybe that's not the 1558 01:59:14,039 --> 01:59:28,640 right word, the height, the size, and the expressionless gaze not at 1559 01:59:28,760 --> 01:59:31,880 me but through me. I mean, I feeled there was not one cell 1560 01:59:31,960 --> 01:59:39,079 in my body could I hide a thought or anything from this from this being. 1561 01:59:40,039 --> 01:59:43,840 Nothing. There was nothing that he couldn't do that I could prevent. 1562 01:59:44,920 --> 01:59:48,920 And I because I was completely vulnerable in every way, I didn't know if 1563 01:59:48,960 --> 01:59:51,880 I was coming back. I mean, I had no idea where I was. 1564 01:59:53,520 --> 01:59:57,600 I had, I had no idea, and you know, I wonder, 1565 01:59:57,840 --> 02:00:00,439 you know, as it happened to people before and they didn't come back, 1566 02:00:01,600 --> 02:00:08,439 and yeah, yeah, so yeah, just the feeling, just the 1567 02:00:08,720 --> 02:00:14,960 menacing effect that something like that has is words really can't describe it. It's 1568 02:00:14,960 --> 02:00:19,520 overwhelming, I mean, and it's not it's not standing out there that part. 1569 02:00:19,640 --> 02:00:23,960 That thing was not standing out there watching me. It was coming toward 1570 02:00:24,039 --> 02:00:27,760 me. And there was nothing that I could do. And this table that 1571 02:00:27,880 --> 02:00:31,039 I was on was not a table like with this computer is sitting on right 1572 02:00:31,119 --> 02:00:39,039 now. It was a table that existed like with a blue kind of gas 1573 02:00:40,439 --> 02:00:45,000 or an environment or like around me that I wasn't. I wasn't in the 1574 02:00:45,079 --> 02:00:49,920 same atmosphere as they were. I was in something. I was inside of 1575 02:00:50,079 --> 02:00:56,439 this, of this blue little cloud deal. The length of my body. 1576 02:00:57,319 --> 02:01:00,760 I was just you know, arms on my side to the to my knowledge, 1577 02:01:00,920 --> 02:01:02,560 arms to my side. But I was in. I was inside of 1578 02:01:02,640 --> 02:01:06,359 this like a like a little fog cloud or some of some kind. I 1579 02:01:06,399 --> 02:01:10,680 don't know if that was protectionary measures. I don't know what that was, 1580 02:01:11,079 --> 02:01:15,319 but I just know that I was in something and something that I had to 1581 02:01:15,399 --> 02:01:23,439 be in that They didn't suck a dry but it's hard to describe, right. 1582 02:01:23,560 --> 02:01:26,760 It wasn't a cylinder, It wasn't anything hard. It was like it 1583 02:01:26,880 --> 02:01:30,039 was like a gaseous atmosphere. But can find around you, okay. And 1584 02:01:30,279 --> 02:01:32,960 they could do anything they wanted, you know. I mean he grabbed mine 1585 02:01:33,000 --> 02:01:35,800 when he got my arm. I don't know if my arm was in that. 1586 02:01:36,079 --> 02:01:39,960 It may have been out into where he was because he had a arm 1587 02:01:40,079 --> 02:01:44,880 elbow on this whatever was stopping it in my hand up and my wrist bent 1588 02:01:45,239 --> 02:01:48,439 backwards like this, and I felt pain down into this part of my arm. 1589 02:01:51,920 --> 02:01:59,640 Did you feel any sort of compassion or emotion from these things? No, 1590 02:02:00,199 --> 02:02:02,920 I did not. It was the tall one that was doing the majority 1591 02:02:02,960 --> 02:02:10,000 of what they were doing, um was was very harsh and rough. There 1592 02:02:10,159 --> 02:02:15,560 was nothing kind about any of it. The smaller ones were different. They 1593 02:02:15,800 --> 02:02:19,560 they they were different. They you know, I know I felt a hand 1594 02:02:19,640 --> 02:02:26,319 on my shoulder from this from this direction, fingers pointing down and you know. 1595 02:02:26,439 --> 02:02:29,600 And these were smaller beings, but their hands were extremely long. I 1596 02:02:29,640 --> 02:02:31,560 don't know if they had three fingers or four fingers, I don't know, 1597 02:02:33,119 --> 02:02:36,640 but their hands were long. And I know that a hand was on my 1598 02:02:36,800 --> 02:02:40,920 shoulder. I don't know if it was to reassure me or to tell me 1599 02:02:41,039 --> 02:02:45,359 again to not to fear, we're not going to hurt you. But that 1600 02:02:45,560 --> 02:02:48,760 big one was hurting me. And I said that, And I kept asking 1601 02:02:48,840 --> 02:02:53,960 about Michael Johnson, and I was told not to worry about Michael Johnson. 1602 02:02:54,600 --> 02:03:00,239 Everybody kept telling me, and they're worried about Michael Johnson. Ken what you 1603 02:03:00,279 --> 02:03:04,119 were what you were hearing? Do you did any of this come from the 1604 02:03:04,159 --> 02:03:10,279 taller being or was it all? Did you feel all from the all from 1605 02:03:11,119 --> 02:03:15,680 to my to my recollection from the small ones? Okay, the tall one 1606 02:03:15,720 --> 02:03:21,800 never made any kind of any kind of sound or anything that I could recollect. 1607 02:03:25,479 --> 02:03:28,880 I guess because of the amount of fear I had. I'm not sure. 1608 02:03:28,960 --> 02:03:31,039 I don't really know, but I just know I felt as if everything 1609 02:03:31,159 --> 02:03:34,119 was coming from this direction behind me. It could have been that the device 1610 02:03:34,199 --> 02:03:38,560 that was underneath my ear, and I don't know where who was where it 1611 02:03:38,640 --> 02:03:43,960 was coming from, but it was there. What I could see, though, 1612 02:03:44,119 --> 02:03:50,640 the walls and the floors were active in some way. Um, I 1613 02:03:50,680 --> 02:03:55,159 don't even know if you'd call them walls, but I did. In the 1614 02:03:55,279 --> 02:03:59,239 second hypnosis, I saw some type of glyphs, or some types of some 1615 02:03:59,399 --> 02:04:02,680 types of strange looking glyphs, and I've tried to draw a couple of them, 1616 02:04:02,720 --> 02:04:08,279 but I'm not a very good artist. And but I continue, you 1617 02:04:08,359 --> 02:04:11,880 know, I questioned myself sometimes tall okay, this is when I saw always. 1618 02:04:11,880 --> 02:04:14,319 I don't know what I saw, you know, And I don't know 1619 02:04:14,399 --> 02:04:15,720 how else to go along with that. How I was to describe that? 1620 02:04:16,800 --> 02:04:24,239 Do you recall how it smelled. It's a question not people ask Yeah, 1621 02:04:24,399 --> 02:04:30,199 I like iodine, iodine or shrimp. Wow, okay, And I associated 1622 02:04:30,239 --> 02:04:31,960 that right up, right up. One of the first things. I'm glad 1623 02:04:31,960 --> 02:04:35,560 you asked me that because that one of the first things that that I smelled 1624 02:04:36,079 --> 02:04:40,199 was I used to We used to fish in the Gulf of Mexico as a 1625 02:04:40,239 --> 02:04:43,920 boy with my dad all the time. A lot of times we used we 1626 02:04:44,399 --> 02:04:47,199 used shrimp for bait, and the shrimp in the Gulf of Mexico always had 1627 02:04:47,239 --> 02:04:51,159 a high iodine smell to them. I don't know why that is, because 1628 02:04:51,199 --> 02:04:55,279 because the Atlantic shrimp don't use the best shrimp on the planet right here. 1629 02:04:56,039 --> 02:05:02,920 And but I immediately was overcome with that s I hadne not only in my 1630 02:05:03,159 --> 02:05:11,880 vehicle, but in wherever I was being looked at. So nothing like ammonia 1631 02:05:12,159 --> 02:05:15,359 or anything like that, that's what it would be, or ammonia, that's 1632 02:05:15,399 --> 02:05:20,600 what it would be, That's what it smells like. Yeah, So I 1633 02:05:20,800 --> 02:05:29,880 was listening to your story, I wouldn't I can't even fathom um what you've 1634 02:05:29,960 --> 02:05:35,039 gone through, and especially um emotionally and the pressure of not being able to 1635 02:05:35,119 --> 02:05:41,079 speak about this for so long. This had to have really affected your life. 1636 02:05:42,159 --> 02:05:57,439 What does that feel like? Oh, well, it's it's a It's 1637 02:05:57,479 --> 02:06:00,119 just it's something that you just have either deal with it or you don't. 1638 02:06:01,199 --> 02:06:04,960 And I know Michael Johnson's somewhere and he's had to deal with it. And 1639 02:06:05,199 --> 02:06:08,720 Terry Lovelace is a good friend of mine, and he was in the Air 1640 02:06:08,800 --> 02:06:16,439 Force at the time of his happening or his incident, and his partner was 1641 02:06:16,479 --> 02:06:23,039 a Black fellow also, and in medical in his examination, they gave them 1642 02:06:23,560 --> 02:06:28,960 medications. Terry didn't take them, but his partner did, and he later 1643 02:06:29,039 --> 02:06:30,600 drank himself to death. He couldn't deal with it. He couldn't deal with 1644 02:06:30,720 --> 02:06:36,079 it. And that's a shame because the Air Force or any other entity of 1645 02:06:36,119 --> 02:06:39,319 the government, they sire, don't come out of you and say, hey, 1646 02:06:39,399 --> 02:06:43,920 how you doing. They want you to just go literally away. They 1647 02:06:44,000 --> 02:06:46,359 don't. They don't want you to talk about it. You know when when 1648 02:06:46,399 --> 02:06:50,159 a blue book in sixty nine? Is that right? I think that somewhere 1649 02:06:50,159 --> 02:06:59,000 in there sixty nine seventy so you really think honestly that they gave up investigations 1650 02:06:59,079 --> 02:07:03,600 in sixty nine, and you know of these occurrences that took place all over 1651 02:07:03,680 --> 02:07:08,359 the plan and not just in the United States, but you know in Russia, 1652 02:07:08,479 --> 02:07:12,319 Coupost and yard in Europe. I mean, all these different places. 1653 02:07:12,359 --> 02:07:15,640 Do you think that they're not really studying this because what's the end game here? 1654 02:07:15,760 --> 02:07:23,680 Technology? Right? Correct? Trying technology weaponry, because everything's going to 1655 02:07:23,720 --> 02:07:26,600 be weaponized, no matter what. I don't care what it is, it's 1656 02:07:26,600 --> 02:07:29,600 any gravitic, whatever it may be, it's going to it's going to be 1657 02:07:29,680 --> 02:07:32,600 weaponized to be better than the other guy, you know. And I think 1658 02:07:32,680 --> 02:07:46,760 that I think that just those things alone, the services are the forces that 1659 02:07:46,880 --> 02:07:54,199 being now this aerooffice. They will never disclose anything to the general populace of 1660 02:07:54,279 --> 02:07:59,199 this world of us, in the United States or anybody because of that very 1661 02:07:59,239 --> 02:08:03,880 thing. They're protected acting that technology that they've got already, and they're not 1662 02:08:03,960 --> 02:08:07,720 about to give that up to anybody. I mean, if you've got four 1663 02:08:07,760 --> 02:08:09,479 races in your hand, you're sure you don't you sure don't trade them in 1664 02:08:09,600 --> 02:08:18,920 for two twos or something or whatever in in cards, I guess, And 1665 02:08:18,239 --> 02:08:24,319 we're gonna it's very difficult to live with, Matt, and I just have 1666 02:08:24,479 --> 02:08:26,760 to do it, you know. I mean, of course people I work 1667 02:08:26,840 --> 02:08:31,039 with, they ask me questions and I don't hold anything back. Even my 1668 02:08:31,640 --> 02:08:35,399 father in law's a Georgia Tech graduate. And you know, this guy is 1669 02:08:35,600 --> 02:08:39,399 super smart, super intelligent, intelligent. You ask him, you know, 1670 02:08:39,479 --> 02:08:43,279 hey, what do you think about aliens? You know, Well, he's 1671 02:08:43,399 --> 02:08:46,960 immediately talking about the southern border, and I said, no, no, 1672 02:08:46,000 --> 02:08:50,079 no, no, not those guys I'm talking about out there. And he 1673 02:08:50,159 --> 02:08:54,239 was a navy man, you know, and he looks at me like I 1674 02:08:54,359 --> 02:08:58,199 have lost my ever loving mind. But I think through a couple of discussions 1675 02:08:58,279 --> 02:09:03,199 that he's kind of saying, well, you know, there could be something 1676 02:09:03,279 --> 02:09:07,800 out there. I mean, yeah, there is, you know. And 1677 02:09:09,119 --> 02:09:13,199 and again I never discussed that with him. I never told a woman i'm 1678 02:09:13,199 --> 02:09:16,359 married to until nineteen ninety six, still after a lot doe and uh, 1679 02:09:16,000 --> 02:09:20,800 you know what had happened to me and how it happened and what I did. 1680 02:09:22,199 --> 02:09:26,199 So either accept it or you don't. People I work with, you 1681 02:09:26,239 --> 02:09:30,159 know, they ask me questions. I answer them at the heartbeat. People 1682 02:09:30,279 --> 02:09:35,600 email me answer them as fast as I can because it's important. I have 1683 02:09:35,800 --> 02:09:39,640 nothing to hide and I have nothing to gain. If you want to, 1684 02:09:39,840 --> 02:09:43,560 if you want to hear of an instance that happened personally to me, and 1685 02:09:43,680 --> 02:09:46,479 you know, Michael Johnson, please get ahead and get in touch with me, 1686 02:09:46,720 --> 02:09:50,920 or better yet, or get little Robert Hastings. I mean, any 1687 02:09:52,000 --> 02:09:54,319 of us, you know, and I know all these guys in this in 1688 02:09:54,399 --> 02:09:58,960 this research. You know, that's one thing about it. You know, 1689 02:09:58,079 --> 02:10:03,840 this kind of incident has got some curious people looking at it that are you 1690 02:10:03,920 --> 02:10:05,680 know, that are up in this UFO world. You know, I talked 1691 02:10:05,680 --> 02:10:13,720 to people in Paris and Germany and the Netherlands, and you know, whatever 1692 02:10:13,840 --> 02:10:16,399 questions they have, they can ask and I don't I don't care what they 1693 02:10:16,439 --> 02:10:26,079 are. Mario, do you ever look back and regret flashing the lights and 1694 02:10:26,239 --> 02:10:31,359 maybe how your life would have would would have been different had you not done 1695 02:10:31,399 --> 02:10:39,640 that. M I guess that's just the curious George in me that I just 1696 02:10:39,760 --> 02:10:45,520 had to do that. And I used the sequence that you know, my 1697 02:10:45,680 --> 02:10:48,800 father had shown me years and years ago, and something that I knew of. 1698 02:10:48,000 --> 02:10:52,840 And you know, honestly, when I left that site that night and 1699 02:10:52,960 --> 02:10:56,119 I got to Highway seventy nine and I saw that thing strobing like it was 1700 02:10:56,159 --> 02:11:01,319 doing, I felt almost as an embassad that are for a few minutes. 1701 02:11:01,079 --> 02:11:05,880 How can you say I really did you know. I mean, because somebody's 1702 02:11:05,920 --> 02:11:09,159 gonna do it one day unless there's already an ambassador we don't know of right, 1703 02:11:09,359 --> 02:11:11,920 that's Eis an hour or somebody met with him. I mean, really 1704 02:11:11,960 --> 02:11:18,319 I did, what if I could? Honestly? Why was I so afraid 1705 02:11:18,319 --> 02:11:22,840 to get out of that vehicle? Why didn't I just open that door and 1706 02:11:24,039 --> 02:11:30,119 just you know, and just leave my weapon there and walk out twenty or 1707 02:11:30,199 --> 02:11:31,960 sixty feet at that front gate. I didn't even have to go that far 1708 02:11:33,039 --> 02:11:35,720 to be directly underneath it. It was that large, Open that fourteen foot 1709 02:11:35,760 --> 02:11:39,800 gate up, walk on that side and stand directly underneath it and look at 1710 02:11:39,840 --> 02:11:46,279 it. Why didn't I do that? Fear? I guess, bear, 1711 02:11:48,119 --> 02:11:52,560 But I questioned myself, you know, and what if what if they What 1712 02:11:52,680 --> 02:11:54,800 if I could have gone with him? What if? What if I was 1713 02:11:54,840 --> 02:11:58,359 accepted to whatever? You want to go? Come on, imagine that in 1714 02:11:58,479 --> 02:12:01,680 coming back or fifty years later. I mean, it's crazy one of them, 1715 02:12:01,720 --> 02:12:03,560 and they're just trying to find out about us, and they know a 1716 02:12:03,640 --> 02:12:09,119 lot already everything about us. I believe, as I say, we haven't 1717 02:12:09,119 --> 02:12:11,760 been here that long compared to everything else on this planet, and we certainly 1718 02:12:11,800 --> 02:12:18,000 don't know everything about this world. Yeah, I feel that way about that. 1719 02:12:18,720 --> 02:12:24,079 So I'd like to go through some of the images that you also provided 1720 02:12:24,239 --> 02:12:30,560 and we'll kind of we'll go through this and uh maybe one more question for 1721 02:12:30,680 --> 02:12:37,319 you, and then we'll get to uh to our listeners questions. So the 1722 02:12:37,399 --> 02:12:43,279 first off is this map. Okay, looking at here, that is the 1723 02:12:45,439 --> 02:12:50,159 I call it a Pythagorean triangle. If you'll notice that up in the center 1724 02:12:50,560 --> 02:12:54,840 left side of that, that's that is November one. That's the launch control 1725 02:12:54,920 --> 02:13:01,640 facility where we lived. And then if you go down to November five at 1726 02:13:01,680 --> 02:13:05,840 the very bottom of that, that is where the launch control that's where the 1727 02:13:05,960 --> 02:13:09,239 launch facility was located, where the missile was located. And then if you 1728 02:13:09,319 --> 02:13:15,399 go to the upper side of that triangle, that is newal Lake Reservoir Dam, 1729 02:13:15,600 --> 02:13:18,279 and that's where we were discovered. Behind that dam, and that's what 1730 02:13:18,439 --> 02:13:24,960 that long white slanting wall was covered in snow was the backside of New Lake 1731 02:13:24,039 --> 02:13:28,239 Reservoir Dam. I'd never been there before in my life, and that was 1732 02:13:28,279 --> 02:13:31,680 the first time i'd ever been there, and of course I hadn't been back. 1733 02:13:31,760 --> 02:13:39,039 Where that pin is dropped is directly where we were found and brought out 1734 02:13:39,039 --> 02:13:41,039 of there. Now, if you'll look to the right of that pin at 1735 02:13:41,079 --> 02:13:43,520 the lower part of it, you see that white snow at the bottom of 1736 02:13:43,560 --> 02:13:48,800 it, And that is the overflow pond that where the slough was located on 1737 02:13:50,000 --> 02:13:54,640 behind that pin. That is activated when it gets too full and it floods 1738 02:13:54,720 --> 02:14:00,039 that smaller pond down there. Now, if Michael Johnson had been aware and 1739 02:14:00,159 --> 02:14:03,399 active, had he stepped out of that vehicle about five foot away from that 1740 02:14:03,479 --> 02:14:07,479 vehicle, he had gone down that hill to that small pond there, of 1741 02:14:07,600 --> 02:14:13,039 course it had was full of ice. But that's the backside of New Leg 1742 02:14:13,119 --> 02:14:18,439 Reservoir. Damn, it's there today. I'm just there. And and I 1743 02:14:18,560 --> 02:14:22,279 got to tell you this other thing that blows in my mind is that when 1744 02:14:22,359 --> 02:14:26,720 we filmed there for Discovery Plus two years ago, I was with Rich Emberling. 1745 02:14:26,840 --> 02:14:30,800 He was the host of that show, really great guy, had a 1746 02:14:30,880 --> 02:14:35,560 good team and everything, and we got new member control and I November one 1747 02:14:35,560 --> 02:14:37,479 and I couldn't believe it was there and went all through that and we did 1748 02:14:37,520 --> 02:14:41,399 a bunch of stuff there, and I don't know who owns it today, 1749 02:14:43,479 --> 02:14:46,239 but we didn't have any resistance at all, even going on going on the 1750 02:14:46,279 --> 02:14:50,720 property because it's on somebody's property, and I went all through it and I 1751 02:14:50,880 --> 02:14:58,399 have a never mind I'm trying to say that. But from there we went 1752 02:14:58,439 --> 02:15:03,159 from November five. Now I had not been back to November five since all 1753 02:15:03,199 --> 02:15:11,720 this happened forty four years ago. And the producer was afraid to film directly 1754 02:15:11,800 --> 02:15:15,239 in front of November five, which really bothered me because I wanted to stand 1755 02:15:15,680 --> 02:15:18,119 right where, right in front of that cattle gate for that vehicle was that 1756 02:15:18,279 --> 02:15:24,079 night. He was afraid that something would be said had we gone directly in 1757 02:15:24,119 --> 02:15:28,239 front of the site where there's this small cattle producing facility, not a producing 1758 02:15:28,279 --> 02:15:33,159 facility. Maybe if they do some branding there or trim who's I don't know. 1759 02:15:33,279 --> 02:15:37,439 It's all good. They take super care of their animals there, and 1760 02:15:37,479 --> 02:15:41,880 he wouldn't film there, So we filmed about sixty yards down the road at 1761 02:15:43,000 --> 02:15:46,079 Ormond Road, looking out on a field, and then everything was done in 1762 02:15:46,239 --> 02:15:56,119 like cartoon type effects, and I thought that's terrible. But being there when 1763 02:15:56,159 --> 02:15:58,680 I got out of that vehicle, I thought, honestly, I thought my 1764 02:15:58,720 --> 02:16:05,760 heart going to stop, even in that proximity. And we walked up there 1765 02:16:05,840 --> 02:16:09,600 and it was just hard for me to even get grips on myself for a 1766 02:16:09,720 --> 02:16:16,079 moment, smelling that air and knowing what was in that atmosphere forty something years 1767 02:16:16,079 --> 02:16:22,640 ago, directly above that site. And when all was said and done, 1768 02:16:24,920 --> 02:16:28,159 there was a bunch of people riding up and down Ormond Road that lived in 1769 02:16:28,279 --> 02:16:31,280 Newell and they were coming out to see this film crew. They don't get 1770 02:16:31,319 --> 02:16:37,040 that very often there, and super nice folks, super nice folks. But 1771 02:16:37,120 --> 02:16:39,319 two guys held back and one was in like a four whel drive rhino in 1772 02:16:39,440 --> 02:16:43,680 enclosed cab and the other was sitting on sitting on a like a little ATV 1773 02:16:43,840 --> 02:16:50,920 four wheel four wheel or like a Honda or something, and came up and 1774 02:16:52,040 --> 02:16:56,719 introduced themselves, and the guy that was in the in the rhino enclosed cab 1775 02:16:56,440 --> 02:17:03,959 got his name and everything, and he he asked me, he goes, 1776 02:17:03,959 --> 02:17:05,760 you're the guy that has happened to you right now? I said, yes, 1777 02:17:07,120 --> 02:17:11,799 he goes, Well, my father was a state patrolman during that period 1778 02:17:11,799 --> 02:17:15,280 of time, and he said, at about two o'clock in the morning, 1779 02:17:15,319 --> 02:17:20,680 he got a call from some from people on base to go in search for 1780 02:17:20,760 --> 02:17:24,120 you guys. He said. Now, he said his bedroom was located right 1781 02:17:24,200 --> 02:17:28,360 off the kitchen where the phone was on the wall there at their home and 1782 02:17:28,520 --> 02:17:33,959 the prairie there. He said they owned about eighty thousand acres and he ranches 1783 02:17:35,000 --> 02:17:37,200 on it today. When he heard we were filming, he just wanted to 1784 02:17:37,239 --> 02:17:41,120 come down here. He didn't know what it was about, but he thought 1785 02:17:41,159 --> 02:17:46,120 he did. And he said he heard his father tell whoever he was speaking 1786 02:17:46,159 --> 02:17:48,120 to back at Ellsworth, or why do you want me to go look for 1787 02:17:48,280 --> 02:17:52,159 him? He said, they have more weapons than I've got, and there's 1788 02:17:52,159 --> 02:17:58,879 two of them and just one of me. Anyway, his father loaded up 1789 02:17:58,000 --> 02:18:03,520 in his patrol car and he went looking for us. And he relayed that 1790 02:18:03,639 --> 02:18:07,239 his father saw something in the atmosphere. Didn't say what it was, didn't 1791 02:18:07,399 --> 02:18:11,360 say anything like that at a size or anything like that, but he saw 1792 02:18:11,479 --> 02:18:15,479 something strange in the atmosphere, is what he told his son later. That 1793 02:18:15,600 --> 02:18:20,200 manage now passed away, But he told his son that he knew that all 1794 02:18:20,239 --> 02:18:24,680 these years. The other fellow that was on the four wheeler, a little 1795 02:18:24,719 --> 02:18:28,520 Honda four wheeler, he had been a deputy sheriff, you know, forty 1796 02:18:28,600 --> 02:18:35,760 years earlier in Sturgis, And they were contacted their office in Sturgis was contacted 1797 02:18:35,760 --> 02:18:39,239 because they had roving patrol or patrols into the Newell area. I don't know 1798 02:18:39,239 --> 02:18:43,680 if Newell had a police department or not, I can't remember. And two 1799 02:18:43,799 --> 02:18:48,319 of their patrols were sent north on Highway seventy nine to come look for us 1800 02:18:48,360 --> 02:18:54,159 also, So that was a revelation that I had no idea that even transpired. 1801 02:18:54,239 --> 02:18:56,360 So we had, you know, six security policemen looking for us, 1802 02:18:56,440 --> 02:19:01,399 and two state officials or law enforce officer patrols looking for us. So that 1803 02:19:01,559 --> 02:19:05,120 was pretty substantial. We'll find that out and but yet to never know it. 1804 02:19:05,920 --> 02:19:09,520 And I hope that someday we could could go back there and have a 1805 02:19:09,680 --> 02:19:13,159 roundtable or something and meet with these guys and talk with them, and maybe 1806 02:19:13,520 --> 02:19:16,639 some other people saw some things. I don't remember what night this was on. 1807 02:19:18,079 --> 02:19:20,360 I don't know if it was a Wednesday night or Friday night or what. 1808 02:19:20,680 --> 02:19:24,600 I don't remember. I was day run together for me, but but 1809 02:19:26,159 --> 02:19:30,120 it would be fun. I'm even on a web page there, you know. 1810 02:19:30,239 --> 02:19:33,639 I just just chat little things, you know, concerning Newell people selling 1811 02:19:33,719 --> 02:19:37,399 stuff or I talked to people you know, and used to be a runway 1812 02:19:37,440 --> 02:19:41,920 there. I never knew there was an airport there in Newell and just one 1813 02:19:41,040 --> 02:19:46,920 high school and just a really really cool place. And it's a nice little 1814 02:19:46,959 --> 02:19:48,760 panel. But I would like to do that one day. So that was 1815 02:19:48,840 --> 02:19:54,840 a revelation finding that out. But then again, you know a networks attacking 1816 02:19:54,920 --> 02:19:58,319 the problem of abduction, they don't like to do that or even discuss it. 1817 02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:03,000 After all that day of filming. Now, mind you, the producer 1818 02:20:03,120 --> 02:20:07,559 even cut it short. I never knew where Newa Lake was. These two 1819 02:20:07,639 --> 02:20:11,600 guys. When I told him the area that I was found in, he 1820 02:20:11,680 --> 02:20:15,120 said that sounds like new A Lake reservoir. And I said, what, 1821 02:20:15,600 --> 02:20:18,000 I said, where is that? He said, go back to Highway seventy 1822 02:20:18,120 --> 02:20:22,319 nine, go north about nine and a half miles. It'll be on your 1823 02:20:22,399 --> 02:20:26,559 right. It's about three miles off the road. Well, if the producer 1824 02:20:26,680 --> 02:20:31,200 had already allowed the camera crew and the drone operator to depart to leave, 1825 02:20:31,719 --> 02:20:37,239 so it was just him, Richard Emerley and myself left. So we went 1826 02:20:39,040 --> 02:20:41,000 just says he described, went all the way up to it, went straight 1827 02:20:41,079 --> 02:20:45,680 down the road. When all his back road off the highway back to New 1828 02:20:45,840 --> 02:20:48,159 Lake Reservoir dam, the first thing I saw was that tree. I was 1829 02:20:48,239 --> 02:20:52,680 telling you about. I said, I can't believe that tree is still here 1830 02:20:52,920 --> 02:20:56,920 after all these years, that big old tree still there today there's a new 1831 02:20:58,000 --> 02:21:05,639 aluminum building out there. Went right back to the spot, and I couldn't 1832 02:21:05,680 --> 02:21:09,719 believe what I was seeing. And I never knew that that day what I 1833 02:21:09,879 --> 02:21:11,360 was standing in front of, and that was the backside of that knew Leg 1834 02:21:11,440 --> 02:21:16,840 reservoir dam. That was the back burn wall and it's about forty five fifty 1835 02:21:16,879 --> 02:21:20,399 feet high at about a forty five degree angle. So I never knew that 1836 02:21:20,520 --> 02:21:24,879 at all. And that was not filmed, And they only displayed about eight 1837 02:21:24,959 --> 02:21:31,040 minutes on Discovery Plus of me standing on the side of Oman Road, Oman 1838 02:21:31,159 --> 02:21:35,079 Road, holding up my drawings were a drone operator to look over my shoulder, 1839 02:21:35,840 --> 02:21:39,479 crying like an idiot, because I mean, it just broke me down 1840 02:21:39,600 --> 02:21:41,280 for the first few minutes I was standing there, but that's all they wanted 1841 02:21:41,319 --> 02:21:46,959 to get evidently, and then it goes from there into a launch control officer, 1842 02:21:46,360 --> 02:21:50,799 another guy at another side, so I thought, well, there again, 1843 02:21:50,840 --> 02:21:54,479 it showed up flipped lights at this thing, what I did in the 1844 02:21:54,600 --> 02:21:58,520 vehicle or anything like that, I mean, and they said other things, 1845 02:21:58,600 --> 02:22:01,719 but I'm not going to worry about that. Now, you know, it's 1846 02:22:01,799 --> 02:22:07,280 either either you attack the subject matter and get the true story, or you 1847 02:22:07,360 --> 02:22:09,639 don't do it at all, or whatever ratings that these people try to get 1848 02:22:09,719 --> 02:22:13,799 and whatever money that they make, I don't care, you know, I 1849 02:22:13,920 --> 02:22:16,479 just You're going to tell it. You're not shut the hell up about it. 1850 02:22:18,319 --> 02:22:22,399 So what would you what would you say to these skeptics like mc west 1851 02:22:22,520 --> 02:22:28,639 or Stephen green Street that may tell you that this is preloaded or you imagined 1852 02:22:28,719 --> 02:22:35,399 it. What would you say to those people, Well, either they're scared 1853 02:22:35,440 --> 02:22:39,559 of their own shadows or they don't really want to admit that there could be 1854 02:22:39,680 --> 02:22:46,000 something greater than they've ever even possibly imagined. And they don't pay my bills. 1855 02:22:46,040 --> 02:22:48,799 And I don't give a damn or what anybody says. I know what 1856 02:22:48,879 --> 02:22:50,399 I lived through. I know what I've lived through for the last forty five 1857 02:22:50,479 --> 02:22:56,239 years of my life. I'm sixty seven years old now, and I'm too 1858 02:22:56,360 --> 02:23:03,600 tired to run and too old to give a damn wow, so much to 1859 02:23:03,760 --> 02:23:09,159 digest your your story is just um, you know what you've gone through, 1860 02:23:09,239 --> 02:23:16,879 and sharing your story with everyone is it's I would say out of anything that 1861 02:23:16,239 --> 02:23:20,719 that um and I've seen these things myself. Thank God, I've never gone 1862 02:23:20,760 --> 02:23:24,440 through an abduction experience. I would never want that, nor would I wish 1863 02:23:24,520 --> 02:23:28,399 that upon anyone. And and my heart goes out to you for what what 1864 02:23:28,760 --> 02:23:35,040 you've what you've shouldered with all of this, and and um, your your 1865 02:23:35,120 --> 02:23:43,639 bravery and being so upfront about your experience and sharing your emotion. Fast forward, 1866 02:23:43,440 --> 02:23:52,159 you recently testified to the Pentagon's UFO office Arrow. What was that like, 1867 02:23:54,000 --> 02:23:58,239 M Well, it really wasn't much different than talking to you, you 1868 02:23:58,319 --> 02:24:03,159 know. I Uh, I was asked, I was read all the security 1869 02:24:03,200 --> 02:24:11,000 measures what I could or could not divulge, and then I was kind of 1870 02:24:11,040 --> 02:24:16,920 given a free slot in order to discuss the entire incident or just relay, 1871 02:24:16,040 --> 02:24:18,959 just like I've relate to you. I was there really not that much difference, 1872 02:24:20,719 --> 02:24:24,559 you know. They did ask me a few specific questions and they just 1873 02:24:24,639 --> 02:24:28,120 had to stay there. And I answered them appropriately and gave them any and 1874 02:24:28,159 --> 02:24:35,879 all names that are associated with this entire incident. In any way that I 1875 02:24:35,920 --> 02:24:39,280 could help and wanted to help or anything they needed from me. They didn't, 1876 02:24:39,319 --> 02:24:43,120 I didn't. I would be more willing to do whatever they wanted me 1877 02:24:43,159 --> 02:24:46,399 to do. So I just tried to be as upfront as possible. But 1878 02:24:46,879 --> 02:24:52,000 I watched what Sean Kirkpatrick said during this last briefing when he stated that there 1879 02:24:52,159 --> 02:24:56,799 was no correlation or no connection with nuclear weapons, and I just literally had 1880 02:24:56,840 --> 02:25:00,799 to laugh at this guy, and I you know what, mister Kirkpatrick, 1881 02:25:00,840 --> 02:25:05,239 if you're watching this, I would sit down and chat with you any dadgum 1882 02:25:05,280 --> 02:25:09,559 time you'd like to talk about it, because I don't know if I don't 1883 02:25:09,600 --> 02:25:15,799 know what else I can say other than what my word is. But with 1884 02:25:16,000 --> 02:25:22,760 all your resources in scientific background and what you know, if you think that 1885 02:25:22,879 --> 02:25:31,000 this is not going on, you're mistaken and you need to come to grip 1886 02:25:31,120 --> 02:25:35,239 with it yourself because it has happened to people, and it's by God happened 1887 02:25:35,239 --> 02:25:37,920 to me. And I'll stand behind that in any way fashion to form that 1888 02:25:39,000 --> 02:25:45,879 you can come up with, how long did Arrow interview you for? How 1889 02:25:45,920 --> 02:25:50,200 long did that go? Four hours of nineteen minutes? And was it doctor 1890 02:25:50,319 --> 02:25:56,000 Kirkpatrick that interviewed you. No, but I'm not allowed to say who it 1891 02:25:56,200 --> 02:26:01,959 was, so you part of your legal agreement with them was that you could 1892 02:26:01,079 --> 02:26:09,879 not state who the interviewer was. An Arrow correct, correct, and can 1893 02:26:09,959 --> 02:26:13,719 you speaks as to what kind of questions they asked or what the questions were? 1894 02:26:16,280 --> 02:26:20,799 Not much different than what you come up with, but that not much. 1895 02:26:20,639 --> 02:26:24,000 But that was part of the part of that nondisclosure agreement, was not 1896 02:26:24,879 --> 02:26:31,479 revealing what exactly they asked you. Correct? Correct, Okay, Okay, 1897 02:26:31,559 --> 02:26:33,920 I just can't. I just can't repeat the direct questions and which which I 1898 02:26:35,120 --> 02:26:37,719 was asked. But basically this, you know, the incident is the same. 1899 02:26:39,120 --> 02:26:41,520 No matter who's asking the questions, nothing is going to change that. 1900 02:26:43,440 --> 02:26:48,000 Nothing is going to change like it knows his sessions And the last one or 1901 02:26:48,079 --> 02:27:01,200 latest was with the director of zero and she um Ivan Smith, and she 1902 02:27:01,399 --> 02:27:05,000 sent me a recording of that. I offered up any of that, any 1903 02:27:05,000 --> 02:27:07,920 of my no secessions. I offered anything that they wanted they could have. 1904 02:27:09,799 --> 02:27:15,120 I have nothing to hide from them. And did you did they request any 1905 02:27:15,159 --> 02:27:20,000 of those materials? And did you hear back from Arrow at all? Nope? 1906 02:27:20,239 --> 02:27:26,799 I have not yet. Okay. Now, following this experience later on 1907 02:27:26,920 --> 02:27:31,840 in life, did you have any subsequent encounters? Oh? I had something 1908 02:27:31,959 --> 02:27:37,360 very strange happen in twenty seventeen December seventeenth to twenty seventeen. And I don't 1909 02:27:37,399 --> 02:27:41,879 know how to quite come to grips with this, but what could any you 1910 02:27:41,959 --> 02:27:50,319 know, what happened to me November five? What could what further? Would 1911 02:27:50,360 --> 02:27:56,000 anything? Would would these beings ever neat with me? Whatsoever? I just, 1912 02:27:56,399 --> 02:27:58,399 you know, I just happened to be at a place that they set 1913 02:27:58,399 --> 02:28:01,319 off an alarm, and I was a secary place and then you know, 1914 02:28:01,479 --> 02:28:03,959 we showed up and it could have been it could have been Tom and Moe, 1915 02:28:05,120 --> 02:28:09,000 who knows. It just was me this time and Michael Johnson. But 1916 02:28:09,239 --> 02:28:13,319 in December seventeenth of twenty seventeen, I was asleep in my bed and I 1917 02:28:13,440 --> 02:28:18,440 have a separate room because I worked. I worked rotating shifts, so I'll 1918 02:28:18,479 --> 02:28:22,200 disturb everybody in my house when I get up at you know, three forty 1919 02:28:22,200 --> 02:28:24,440 five in the morning to go to work a day shift or something, and 1920 02:28:24,520 --> 02:28:35,079 it rotates. So anyway, I awoke at ten after four, eleven after 1921 02:28:35,159 --> 02:28:37,399 four, because I have these really strange times that I wake up. I 1922 02:28:37,440 --> 02:28:43,040 worked day shift. But anyway, every alarm, low voltage alarm in my 1923 02:28:43,200 --> 02:28:48,440 home was going off. But that's not really got what got me. I 1924 02:28:48,520 --> 02:28:54,360 woke up standing at the foot of my bed looking at the northern wall of 1925 02:28:54,760 --> 02:29:01,520 that bedroom, and there was a hole in the wall in the dresser on 1926 02:29:01,680 --> 02:29:05,079 the left and the right side, about four or five feet in diameter. 1927 02:29:07,120 --> 02:29:09,799 And for a flash, it was a second before I gained consciousness. I've 1928 02:29:09,840 --> 02:29:15,719 never slept a walk in my life. I saw some kind of like flashes 1929 02:29:15,840 --> 02:29:20,079 or spark or something on both sides of this opening, a black hole, 1930 02:29:24,559 --> 02:29:28,200 and my eyes, my eyes came to or whatever. Of course it was 1931 02:29:28,280 --> 02:29:33,200 gone. And then I heard all these noises, and immediately my son popped 1932 02:29:33,200 --> 02:29:35,479 in my room. He said, Dad, what's going on? What's going 1933 02:29:35,559 --> 02:29:41,440 on? He had heard something, He heard these sounds. Also, I 1934 02:29:41,520 --> 02:29:48,479 didn't know an oven stove, a microwave, or a range or refrigerator. 1935 02:29:48,559 --> 02:29:54,159 Did I say that? Or even I didn't know that these items had low 1936 02:29:54,239 --> 02:29:58,000 voltage alarms on them. And all the lights that were on in my living 1937 02:29:58,079 --> 02:30:01,879 room and in my kitchen area that stay on four seven, we're flickering in 1938 02:30:01,040 --> 02:30:05,440 real, real low light. It was like, what the heck? And 1939 02:30:05,639 --> 02:30:07,520 Jake said my son, Jake, he said, Dad, what he goes, 1940 02:30:07,600 --> 02:30:09,319 what the hell is going on? I said, I don't know. 1941 02:30:09,479 --> 02:30:15,840 Some so I did a little searching clear in my house and my underwear real 1942 02:30:15,920 --> 02:30:18,879 quick. I mean, that's just the kind of guy I am. And 1943 02:30:20,879 --> 02:30:24,200 when I came into the kitchen, all these microwave and the only things from 1944 02:30:24,239 --> 02:30:28,719 making noises that I'd never heard before, and I later found out they were 1945 02:30:28,760 --> 02:30:35,520 low holtage alarms, and U I unblogged. I think I unplowed a microwave 1946 02:30:35,559 --> 02:30:39,360 and something. And then eventually they stopped. And I don't know why they 1947 02:30:39,399 --> 02:30:43,959 stopped, but they stopped. And so I went back and my son was 1948 02:30:45,000 --> 02:30:46,799 still up, and I said, well, I guess, I said, 1949 02:30:46,799 --> 02:30:50,600 I don't know what's happening is I said, all the lights are flickering like 1950 02:30:50,680 --> 02:30:52,600 that. And I said, well, I can't get any light to come 1951 02:30:52,680 --> 02:30:56,799 on fully, it just barely comes on. I said, I guess the 1952 02:30:56,840 --> 02:31:01,200 whole neighborhoods messed up. So I said, well, I'm gonna lay back 1953 02:31:01,200 --> 02:31:05,239 down. When I get up, I'll call George Power. So I went 1954 02:31:05,319 --> 02:31:09,600 back to sleep, and just strange, you know, it's just strains, 1955 02:31:09,639 --> 02:31:13,319 the whole, the whole ordeal. And all of a sudden, about eight 1956 02:31:13,559 --> 02:31:16,280 fifteen, my son's getting him good work, and he said, he popped 1957 02:31:16,280 --> 02:31:20,360 my door. He says, he goes Dad. He goes, George Powers 1958 02:31:20,399 --> 02:31:24,399 in the front yard, and we have about an acre here, a little 1959 02:31:24,440 --> 02:31:26,840 over an acre. So in the house is sitting in the middle of it. 1960 02:31:26,920 --> 02:31:30,959 I got like two hundred trees in every direction. So it's it's nice 1961 02:31:31,040 --> 02:31:35,079 for that, you know. And anyway, so I could throw one some 1962 02:31:35,159 --> 02:31:37,959 clothes real quick, and I said where are They said, all right by 1963 02:31:37,040 --> 02:31:41,000 the street. So I got up and I go out the front door. 1964 02:31:41,079 --> 02:31:43,120 And I go out there and I said hey, I said, going man, 1965 02:31:43,159 --> 02:31:46,079 and he just looked at me and says, uh, did you Mary? 1966 02:31:46,120 --> 02:31:48,120 And I said yesterday? I said this is my house. And I 1967 02:31:48,200 --> 02:31:50,239 said, man, what's going on? He goes, I says, everybody 1968 02:31:50,280 --> 02:31:52,440 in the neighborhood affected. And he looked at me kind of funny. He 1969 02:31:52,520 --> 02:31:56,760 says, he goes, just you and I said what. He goes, 1970 02:31:56,799 --> 02:32:01,680 you lost a leg to your home. I said, well, that's weird. 1971 02:32:01,719 --> 02:32:03,680 I said, how does that happen? He goes, We don't know. 1972 02:32:03,200 --> 02:32:07,159 He said, when you lit up our board down here in the in 1973 02:32:07,280 --> 02:32:11,079 the control room like the fourth of July. And I said, lit up 1974 02:32:11,120 --> 02:32:13,680 your board? He said, yeah. Well, you know, we have 1975 02:32:13,280 --> 02:32:18,879 every neighborhood and everything is you know, is monitored, you know, for 1976 02:32:18,079 --> 02:32:22,520 power usage and so forth. I said, well, that's awful weird. 1977 02:32:22,719 --> 02:32:26,520 He goes, yeah, he goes, he goes, step up here in 1978 02:32:26,559 --> 02:32:30,120 your back port, so we're outside of my garage, or keep my trash 1979 02:32:30,200 --> 02:32:35,360 can on a little deck there. He had this mobile unit on as a 1980 02:32:35,479 --> 02:32:41,159 transformer unit, and they had these transformer was jumpered into my to my house. 1981 02:32:41,239 --> 02:32:45,719 I've got pictures of it and stuff that went into my you know, 1982 02:32:45,840 --> 02:32:54,440 where they the electrical reading device is located, the meter is located. And 1983 02:32:56,319 --> 02:32:58,959 I said wow, I said that's pretty cool. He said, well that's 1984 02:32:58,000 --> 02:33:01,680 gonna that's gonna give you three legs of power, you know, in two 1985 02:33:01,719 --> 02:33:03,159 week and get a new wire. And I said, well again, I 1986 02:33:03,280 --> 02:33:07,239 said, how did this happen? He goes, we have no idea. 1987 02:33:07,280 --> 02:33:09,680 He said, we just got a huge surge of power. And he said 1988 02:33:09,719 --> 02:33:13,520 and then this went out, and he said, we responded immediately because a 1989 02:33:13,559 --> 02:33:16,840 lot of times these things can cause a fire. And he was underground. 1990 02:33:16,879 --> 02:33:22,239 I hear about about seventy feet away from my front door, and so I 1991 02:33:22,319 --> 02:33:24,399 didn't think too much about it. And I said, well, I guess 1992 02:33:24,479 --> 02:33:30,440 that's you know, okay. So a few weeks went by and one of 1993 02:33:30,479 --> 02:33:35,200 the kids who lived in this neighborhood was home and I was leaving work early 1994 02:33:35,280 --> 02:33:39,280 that morning, and I was cutting my grass or something. Some I was 1995 02:33:39,360 --> 02:33:41,639 checking my mail or something, and he stopped me said, hey, mister, 1996 02:33:41,719 --> 02:33:43,120 what's are you doing. I said, all right, man, He 1997 02:33:43,239 --> 02:33:46,520 goes man, Well, he said, what was going on in your backyard 1998 02:33:46,559 --> 02:33:48,239 a couple of weeks ago? And I said what, he goes man, 1999 02:33:48,360 --> 02:33:52,959 Your backyard was lit up like Hollywood lights back there, And I said, 2000 02:33:52,959 --> 02:33:54,559 in my backyard? He goes yeah. I said, well, a lot 2001 02:33:54,600 --> 02:33:58,879 of gods of spotlights on the end of my home, you know, two 2002 02:33:58,920 --> 02:34:01,479 of them, just one, one hundred and fifty wats each, you know. 2003 02:34:01,879 --> 02:34:05,680 And he said, oh no, oh no, he says, it 2004 02:34:05,840 --> 02:34:07,319 looked like the sun went off back there. And I said, you've got 2005 02:34:07,440 --> 02:34:11,479 to be kidding me. So of course I came in and told my son 2006 02:34:11,559 --> 02:34:16,159 about it, and he just didn't really know what to say. And you 2007 02:34:16,239 --> 02:34:18,440 know, I told everybody else about it, and they didn't know what to 2008 02:34:18,520 --> 02:34:22,479 say. And you know, they later came out about three weeks later and 2009 02:34:22,600 --> 02:34:24,600 put it in a new wire and remove their transforming device out here. And 2010 02:34:26,600 --> 02:34:30,200 but that was in December seventeenth to twenty seventeen, and that's the last thing 2011 02:34:30,280 --> 02:34:33,000 that happened. And I sent you a picture of that drawing that I drew. 2012 02:34:33,559 --> 02:34:37,799 I called Robert Basings immediately and told him. He said, yeah, 2013 02:34:39,000 --> 02:34:41,399 that's what it looked like. And you see in the bottom where my feet 2014 02:34:41,399 --> 02:34:46,799 were standing. So but my question is what they would they if there are 2015 02:34:46,840 --> 02:34:52,280 beings of you know where, what could they possibly want with somebody? Forty 2016 02:34:52,360 --> 02:34:58,840 five years later, And that's that's from a hypnosis and dream session, and 2017 02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:03,479 I was taken into a room where there's these all these old ices. That's 2018 02:35:03,520 --> 02:35:07,040 an iron and there's a TV or radio and one of those old light stands. 2019 02:35:07,680 --> 02:35:13,719 And I was told by the little guy that took me in there to 2020 02:35:13,840 --> 02:35:18,000 look around, and there was a window off to the left. It was 2021 02:35:18,360 --> 02:35:20,600 that was around, but it had a pie slice out of it that I 2022 02:35:20,680 --> 02:35:24,239 could look out the window, but I never I was too afraid to look 2023 02:35:24,280 --> 02:35:31,920 out the window. And then I was taken out of there and and into 2024 02:35:31,959 --> 02:35:35,159 a foggy area and that's the last thing I remember about that. But this 2025 02:35:35,319 --> 02:35:46,000 area was huge. What is this? That's something somebody sent to me and 2026 02:35:46,120 --> 02:35:52,040 said, is this remind you of anything. And it was really quite strange 2027 02:35:52,079 --> 02:35:54,479 and then perplexing when I saw it. I have no idea whose that is 2028 02:35:56,399 --> 02:35:58,959 or where it came from, but it got my attention and I thought, 2029 02:36:00,000 --> 02:36:03,719 oh my god. You know, and and I've noticed in the far far 2030 02:36:03,879 --> 02:36:09,600 back there's a there's a steer on a table back there and I just just 2031 02:36:09,760 --> 02:36:15,920 really got my attention, so I just threw it in there. Now I 2032 02:36:16,079 --> 02:36:20,760 understand that you have marks on your body that you attribute to this, to 2033 02:36:20,920 --> 02:36:24,639 this experience, and I want to show some of those. So, um, 2034 02:36:26,239 --> 02:36:33,239 this is what your ankle left ankle correct and and don't know where it 2035 02:36:33,319 --> 02:36:35,319 came from. Yeah, there's I have two of those on my body. 2036 02:36:37,600 --> 02:36:43,479 Don't remember any medical procedure. As a doctor, Mark Gold once told me. 2037 02:36:43,520 --> 02:36:46,600 I had him really look at them. And in macro photography, that's 2038 02:36:46,639 --> 02:36:52,120 just photograph of my phone. And that's on my inner left ankle, right 2039 02:36:52,159 --> 02:36:56,399 above the ankle bone. And I've just taken off my socks, so that's 2040 02:36:56,440 --> 02:37:00,840 why when we did that, that's why those lines were there. But and 2041 02:37:01,079 --> 02:37:05,559 right between the achilles and the anklebone, I guess, and the and it's 2042 02:37:05,600 --> 02:37:09,600 a scoop mark that we're looking at in the middle. Correct, that's correct, 2043 02:37:09,760 --> 02:37:16,520 Yes, and the other scoop mark is same diameter. That's correct, 2044 02:37:16,680 --> 02:37:20,639 and it was measured and that he called them pop marks is what I've been 2045 02:37:20,680 --> 02:37:26,559 told they are. And then that's it right there, and there's a middle 2046 02:37:26,639 --> 02:37:31,639 dimple in it. Don't know you know what would cause that mark, doctor 2047 02:37:31,719 --> 02:37:37,280 Mark Gold He was a neurologist, and he said, and a neurosurgeon, 2048 02:37:37,360 --> 02:37:39,559 he said, you know, he didn't know of any life saving events. 2049 02:37:39,920 --> 02:37:46,200 It's been in an emergency that this area and the area under my left arm 2050 02:37:46,920 --> 02:37:56,959 would be accessed with whatever, and for what purpose? That's the one under 2051 02:37:56,959 --> 02:38:01,319 my arm, my left arm, okay? And is there one on your 2052 02:38:01,399 --> 02:38:03,360 right as well or just on the left No, no, just just the 2053 02:38:03,479 --> 02:38:07,760 left side. Just those two areas, okay, underneath the left the arm 2054 02:38:07,879 --> 02:38:13,959 and the left ankle. Okay. So let's let's get to some user questions. 2055 02:38:13,399 --> 02:38:18,280 Firstly, thank you for this is by far the longest interview that we've 2056 02:38:18,479 --> 02:38:24,040 ever done. And uh, and I really I really appreciate it, and 2057 02:38:24,360 --> 02:38:31,399 I know our viewers really appreciate sharing this really powerful. UM. I hope 2058 02:38:31,399 --> 02:38:35,879 a lot of people watch this. I really do. UM, this is 2059 02:38:35,920 --> 02:38:39,200 by far the most compelling story I've ever heard. Okay, so um, 2060 02:38:39,520 --> 02:38:46,680 let's see here. Mario, have you ever spoken with doctor Gary Nolan about 2061 02:38:46,719 --> 02:38:50,959 your experience? This is from Anonymous Wrecks from doctor Knowlton. No, I 2062 02:38:52,040 --> 02:38:56,559 have not, Okay, I'd like to he Yeah, he's been on our 2063 02:38:56,600 --> 02:39:01,840 show once. Just amazing, amazing man. Do This is from Marley did 2064 02:39:01,959 --> 02:39:07,959 it? Do these experiences make you question the existence of God or a higher 2065 02:39:07,399 --> 02:39:18,040 higher power? No? Never? Excellent? Uh? From Jason Sorry? 2066 02:39:18,079 --> 02:39:22,479 From Jason Faye. Does Mario recall if they took any pictures of his burns 2067 02:39:22,520 --> 02:39:33,719 when they were examining him? No, only the skin examples. They do 2068 02:39:33,879 --> 02:39:43,159 not take pictures of another great one here from Peter Cosmos Cosmos, how do 2069 02:39:43,239 --> 02:39:48,760 you see the next six months and next five years? Will disclosure happen? 2070 02:39:48,600 --> 02:39:54,120 Where will it come from? If yes? And do you expect anything real 2071 02:39:54,440 --> 02:39:58,399 from upcoming events? Upcoming hearings and MPC event. I'm not sure what that 2072 02:39:58,559 --> 02:40:09,799 is. I think when disclosure happens, it won't be our government that does 2073 02:40:09,840 --> 02:40:18,120 it unless they're forced to do it. I think that, okay. I 2074 02:40:18,280 --> 02:40:22,680 think that these beings will pick a time in which to do it. In 2075 02:40:22,799 --> 02:40:28,479 a way that everybody at one time will know that they're here or they're making 2076 02:40:28,520 --> 02:40:30,920 their announcement. They're just not going to do it in the United States. 2077 02:40:31,360 --> 02:40:33,479 So what's the kind of media that's going to take place. It's going to 2078 02:40:33,520 --> 02:40:39,760 be TV and radio. It's going to be a communication that we all hear. 2079 02:40:39,920 --> 02:40:45,239 There's some correlations here, maybe in our own languages, across the entire 2080 02:40:45,319 --> 02:40:50,440 planet. I don't know what they're time frame is, but I think when 2081 02:40:50,440 --> 02:40:54,120 we're notified, there will be no question. There will be no question. 2082 02:40:54,200 --> 02:40:56,799 I don't know, maybe they weren't. Maybe they weren't. No, there 2083 02:40:56,840 --> 02:41:01,319 will be no question that they have made their announcement, and we will know. 2084 02:41:01,559 --> 02:41:07,159 Everything will change. Now if it's all for the good, because we 2085 02:41:07,319 --> 02:41:09,879 know if they were bad, we'd have been gone long ago. But for 2086 02:41:11,000 --> 02:41:16,159 sure, you know do And actually I want to give a shout out to 2087 02:41:16,239 --> 02:41:20,840 Toms who asked the really great question I posed earlier. If you regretted flashing 2088 02:41:20,879 --> 02:41:28,280 the perimeter perimeter lights? Here's one from Keith Taylor another another great great question. 2089 02:41:30,760 --> 02:41:37,239 Are there any indications of implants? I've never been fully X rayed. 2090 02:41:37,479 --> 02:41:41,200 I don't know. I have had small Mriyes, like for procedures that I 2091 02:41:41,280 --> 02:41:45,520 had done. But I've nothing that I know has been detected now my friend 2092 02:41:45,639 --> 02:41:50,120 Terry Lovelace, yes he did. I don't know if Yeah, okay from 2093 02:41:50,200 --> 02:41:56,319 Chris time. Have you had any near near death experiences in your life, 2094 02:41:56,719 --> 02:42:03,959 either before or after the event. No, only they're only only on that 2095 02:42:05,079 --> 02:42:07,719 side that night, No Number five. I guess before that tunnel vision effect, 2096 02:42:09,280 --> 02:42:13,600 I saw many many things flash before me, and and and and sitting 2097 02:42:13,680 --> 02:42:18,079 on that sitting in that restroom, on that on that toilet seat, when 2098 02:42:18,079 --> 02:42:20,360 I felt as if I was leaving my body that next morning. That's the 2099 02:42:20,440 --> 02:42:24,239 only time I've ever had any anything like that at all, And I really 2100 02:42:24,280 --> 02:42:28,959 hope I never do it again, because it's I don't I don't, I 2101 02:42:28,000 --> 02:42:31,159 don't know. I don't know if i'd have gone so far i couldn't come 2102 02:42:31,200 --> 02:42:33,000 back, or or I would or I would have died. I thought I 2103 02:42:33,079 --> 02:42:39,680 was dying. I really did. I thought I was literally dying. So 2104 02:42:39,840 --> 02:42:43,639 I think this will be our final questions. It's been been a very long 2105 02:42:43,719 --> 02:42:50,879 show, um trying to think how to answer ask this. Do you have 2106 02:42:52,360 --> 02:42:58,280 confidence in the mission of Arrow and confidence that doctor Sean Kirkpatrick is trying to 2107 02:42:58,360 --> 02:43:03,719 get to the bottom of this, especially after seeing doctor Kirkpatrick's testimony at the 2108 02:43:05,079 --> 02:43:15,680 Senate hearing. I want to say I have confidence, but I feel as 2109 02:43:15,719 --> 02:43:20,719 if there's an ulterior motive to that, my confidence is somewhat shaken. I 2110 02:43:20,840 --> 02:43:24,840 mean, there is no way that you can't deny that you can deny a 2111 02:43:26,000 --> 02:43:30,760 nuclear connection. There is absolutely no way, whether it be nuclear missile sites, 2112 02:43:31,040 --> 02:43:37,159 weapons platforms, aircraft carriers, something to do with nuclear they are there 2113 02:43:37,440 --> 02:43:39,799 now. I don't know if I know that. You know, we know 2114 02:43:39,879 --> 02:43:43,479 how to split an atom, but is that all there is about splitting an 2115 02:43:43,479 --> 02:43:48,840 atom? You know, Tesla knew about electricity, but he didn't know everything 2116 02:43:48,879 --> 02:43:54,799 about electricity and he was learning. And I think it's the same way with 2117 02:43:54,879 --> 02:43:58,079 our nuclear capabilities. Now, you know, we've got some how to destructive 2118 02:43:58,120 --> 02:44:03,879 stuff, you know, and maybe there is some kind of a guard that 2119 02:44:03,000 --> 02:44:09,920 guards against what you know, we we have entail he used for these nuclear 2120 02:44:09,000 --> 02:44:15,479 weapons. For I mean, how can we really communicate, you know, 2121 02:44:15,799 --> 02:44:18,000 as a as a world when we can't even get along with each other. 2122 02:44:20,840 --> 02:44:26,040 It's not the fact that we have them, is the fact what they're intended 2123 02:44:26,120 --> 02:44:30,840 to do with them. In my book. So I don't know if he's 2124 02:44:33,200 --> 02:44:35,360 not willing to look at the evidence that's out there, and he's got to 2125 02:44:35,440 --> 02:44:39,239 have more access to anything that you and I and anybody on this thin could 2126 02:44:39,239 --> 02:44:45,159 even discuss. He's had to have seen things that we're not even allowed to 2127 02:44:45,200 --> 02:44:48,280 talk about. He maybe he can't even talk about him. I don't know, 2128 02:44:50,159 --> 02:44:52,520 But somebody needs to get a grip on the whole thing and really come 2129 02:44:54,000 --> 02:44:56,600 forward, you know, to the American people, into the world. But 2130 02:44:56,760 --> 02:45:01,200 what's really there and what we really have did did a craft crash in Roswell? 2131 02:45:01,959 --> 02:45:05,280 Did two craft crash in walkro Other things buried it we don't know about? 2132 02:45:07,159 --> 02:45:09,879 Are the Rocker archaeological sites that we don't know about? I mean, 2133 02:45:11,440 --> 02:45:15,159 there's just something amiss about the whole thing. And to not end to go 2134 02:45:15,280 --> 02:45:20,440 from sixty nine Blue Book ended to now and every year changed the name now 2135 02:45:20,559 --> 02:45:24,159 to Arrow, I mean, I can't even I don't even want I just 2136 02:45:24,280 --> 02:45:28,719 a UFO investigation period. It's not that I disrespect anything. I'm just tired 2137 02:45:28,760 --> 02:45:33,239 of being hammered around, you know, with non truths. You know, 2138 02:45:33,319 --> 02:45:39,319 if the Senate Hearing Committee wants to get to the truth, I'd be willing 2139 02:45:39,360 --> 02:45:41,760 to sit down and talking home. I don't know, don't know what else. 2140 02:45:41,799 --> 02:45:46,680 Like I tell another, I would have just told you if Black got 2141 02:45:46,799 --> 02:45:52,440 something he's done, you would testify in front of Congress. Absolutely under morrow, 2142 02:45:54,440 --> 02:45:56,520 Yeah, under oath. Absolutely, I'm under oath of you right now. 2143 02:45:58,520 --> 02:46:05,959 Do you think do you think UM at the Senate the Senate hearing, 2144 02:46:05,280 --> 02:46:11,280 do you think doctor Kirkpatrick had a net negative effect on whistleblowers wanting to come 2145 02:46:11,440 --> 02:46:18,079 forward? Or do you think what he sort of seemingly said to say there 2146 02:46:18,200 --> 02:46:22,479 was no as I think you you mentioned earlier, no no sign of extraterrestrial 2147 02:46:22,559 --> 02:46:30,840 activity. Do you think that that this deflated or UM discouraged whistle further whistleblowers 2148 02:46:30,920 --> 02:46:35,639 from coming forward. I don't think. I know it did, and I 2149 02:46:35,840 --> 02:46:41,120 know some that it has already, so so to be so, to be 2150 02:46:41,200 --> 02:46:45,760 clear, you know, you know of whistleblowers that were ready to come forward 2151 02:46:45,799 --> 02:46:50,440 and talk to the Pentagon, and after doctor Kirkpatrick's performance, they no longer 2152 02:46:50,520 --> 02:46:54,760 want to do that. They don't want to they don't trust them, they 2153 02:46:54,799 --> 02:46:58,440 don't trust them. I'm hearing that a lot. I don't honestly think for 2154 02:46:58,520 --> 02:47:03,360 as many incursions and as any interactions has gone on, and you know whether 2155 02:47:03,600 --> 02:47:07,639 and they're just I guess they're just doing military personnel, government employees. I 2156 02:47:07,719 --> 02:47:13,719 guess that's what I gathered. You know, there's many civilians in scientific roles 2157 02:47:15,120 --> 02:47:20,920 that have had incidents like this also, and at weapons complexes or at their 2158 02:47:20,920 --> 02:47:26,799 own private homes or driving home. They couldn't answer enough phones that people were 2159 02:47:26,959 --> 02:47:31,959 really trusting and would come forward with what's happened to them or what they've seen 2160 02:47:33,000 --> 02:47:37,479 along Interstate ninety five or seventy five or ninety or any other interstates in this 2161 02:47:37,600 --> 02:47:41,000 country or anywhere out west or anywhere into Gulf of Mexico. I mean, 2162 02:47:41,120 --> 02:47:46,879 there are thousands of people that have seen things that they just can't explain, 2163 02:47:46,280 --> 02:47:52,479 but yet don't acknowledge them either, And that's where it's all wrong. One 2164 02:47:52,520 --> 02:47:56,440 of the things that really caught me off guard about the doctor Kirkpatrick's at testimony 2165 02:47:58,000 --> 02:48:07,399 was a seemingly uber focus on the scientific method and pure reviewed papers to get 2166 02:48:07,440 --> 02:48:13,840 to the bottom of this, which to me disregards whistleblower testimony. What would 2167 02:48:13,840 --> 02:48:20,799 you say to doctor Kipatrick about that, about his approach, I just think 2168 02:48:20,840 --> 02:48:24,360 it's all wrong. I just think you literally have to sit down with people. 2169 02:48:24,479 --> 02:48:28,360 You know, It's it's not the people, it's the process of how 2170 02:48:28,399 --> 02:48:31,399 they go from A to Z. You know, you just don't go from 2171 02:48:31,520 --> 02:48:35,159 A two Z. You got to go ABCD and F you know, to 2172 02:48:35,319 --> 02:48:39,000 get to the to the get to the whole thing. You just can't. 2173 02:48:41,000 --> 02:48:48,319 I don't know, you just can't disgradit somebody because they it's hard for people. 2174 02:48:48,760 --> 02:48:52,600 And it's hard for me to sit down and tell a thousand people this 2175 02:48:52,719 --> 02:48:56,559 at the same time, let alone on three different networks or on podcasts or 2176 02:48:56,559 --> 02:49:01,159 anything like that. So I'm a dad gum sure or that everything that I'm 2177 02:49:01,159 --> 02:49:05,399 telling you is exactly how it happened to me, exactly what I remember to 2178 02:49:05,440 --> 02:49:09,440 the best of my knowledge, and there's nothing they can do to sway that. 2179 02:49:09,799 --> 02:49:13,280 And yet they can't refute it. And I told them that, I 2180 02:49:13,360 --> 02:49:16,120 said, you go hunt everyone, every single person that was involved with me 2181 02:49:16,360 --> 02:49:20,559 and that incident. I gave them their names. I said, you go 2182 02:49:20,680 --> 02:49:24,719 find these people and let me know what you find, and then we'll talk 2183 02:49:24,760 --> 02:49:28,959 again if you want to. I offered him anything and everything that I could 2184 02:49:30,000 --> 02:49:33,280 possible to give them. You know, they got my certificates they've got my 2185 02:49:33,399 --> 02:49:37,200 training records, they've got this incident. I didn't get a copy of it. 2186 02:49:37,239 --> 02:49:39,840 I didn't get a copy of my medical record. Said anything about this 2187 02:49:39,159 --> 02:49:45,239 on it burns on my face. What happened to those skin samples? Nothing 2188 02:49:45,280 --> 02:49:48,520 that I know of. I never could talk about it again because I was 2189 02:49:48,639 --> 02:49:52,840 made to feel as if I was a criminal or what happened to me? 2190 02:49:52,840 --> 02:49:56,479 And many others do. Also, those guys in Rambles from Forest, they 2191 02:49:56,559 --> 02:50:01,399 went through hell for years and they had I think a major helping them that 2192 02:50:03,000 --> 02:50:07,680 was at Hall. Was that who it was was assisting them. I think 2193 02:50:07,719 --> 02:50:13,719 so, yeah, yeah, I believe that's the way they do though. 2194 02:50:15,239 --> 02:50:18,200 They just put their thumb on you and keep you down because there's something that 2195 02:50:18,280 --> 02:50:24,719 they're hiding. You know. Technology just didn't magically appear, and the weapons 2196 02:50:24,760 --> 02:50:28,040 complexes just didn't magically appear and gained billions and trillions of dollars out of nowhere. 2197 02:50:28,680 --> 02:50:33,559 Each entity got a piece of the puzzle to work on. That's what 2198 02:50:33,719 --> 02:50:37,159 I This is what I found out. And I've worked for a lot of 2199 02:50:37,200 --> 02:50:41,120 those people. Luckie Martin Martin Marietta didn't work for G ANDNG, But I 2200 02:50:41,280 --> 02:50:46,639 know a lot of people that have and others and everybody got a piece of 2201 02:50:46,719 --> 02:50:52,040 his prize. What they couldn't figure out, they put it away for five 2202 02:50:52,200 --> 02:50:54,600 ten years until they can figure it out, and they bring it back out 2203 02:50:54,639 --> 02:50:58,440 and start working on it again. Whatever it may be, and I'm not 2204 02:50:58,520 --> 02:51:03,520 saying there is anything, but whatever it may be. You know, cell 2205 02:51:03,600 --> 02:51:09,079 phones, they just magically appeared in ninety six. Yeah, computing power to 2206 02:51:09,159 --> 02:51:11,719 send a rocket to the moon, more so than what we had in the 2207 02:51:11,200 --> 02:51:16,719 first moonflight took off, you know. No, yeah, the jump, 2208 02:51:16,840 --> 02:51:18,840 the jump is crazy. Yeah, I you know. The thing that comes 2209 02:51:18,879 --> 02:51:24,319 to mind is after listening, you know, and we've we've been live here 2210 02:51:24,719 --> 02:51:28,719 almost almost three hours, so we're if we had like another hour, Togo, 2211 02:51:30,200 --> 02:51:33,239 that would be the equivalent testimony that you gave to doctor Shan Kerpatrick's office, 2212 02:51:33,360 --> 02:51:43,239 narrow and hearing your compelling experience, it blows my mind that he would 2213 02:51:43,239 --> 02:51:48,479 say that there's no um, you know, there's no evidence of any sort 2214 02:51:48,479 --> 02:51:54,040 of non human intelligence in this and it really makes me question whether his office 2215 02:51:54,479 --> 02:52:01,120 has been fully briefing the senators on what you guys have had to say. 2216 02:52:01,840 --> 02:52:05,319 Um, yeah, you know, it makes me very suspicious and um, 2217 02:52:05,520 --> 02:52:09,280 you know, and sometimes I wonder too as well how much O usd ion 2218 02:52:09,520 --> 02:52:16,799 S has had to do with um this this seeming dysfunctional operation of ARROW. 2219 02:52:16,440 --> 02:52:20,840 Uh. You know O usd and I O U S d ion S is 2220 02:52:20,280 --> 02:52:24,799 led by Ronald Moultrie, who, by the way, was ay on the 2221 02:52:24,879 --> 02:52:31,000 advisory board of Battel, which we understand was part of back engineering programs. 2222 02:52:31,079 --> 02:52:35,559 But he uh, he's left that off of his LinkedIn LinkedIn profile, even 2223 02:52:35,600 --> 02:52:39,200 though he has a ton of other stuff. O usd ion s as uh 2224 02:52:39,600 --> 02:52:45,799 as uh Lu Alexander has stated this has been the organization that that has engaged 2225 02:52:45,920 --> 02:52:50,360 in the Lyne in the ob fuse skation. So I think as long as 2226 02:52:50,520 --> 02:52:54,719 Arrow was under the under the thumb of Ronald Moultrie and O usd ion S, 2227 02:52:54,840 --> 02:52:56,879 I don't know that I would trust trust them. Uh. And I 2228 02:52:58,120 --> 02:53:03,000 don't know if you if you saw interview with the Senator Kristen jilla Brand that 2229 02:53:03,159 --> 02:53:05,879 one of the things she did, one of the things that she did encourage 2230 02:53:07,280 --> 02:53:11,959 was for whistleblowers to reach out directly to her office. I don't have the 2231 02:53:11,280 --> 02:53:18,239 email address that she stated, but does that give you does that give you 2232 02:53:18,280 --> 02:53:22,479 any sort of confidence in the process that Senator Jilla Brand is saying, don't 2233 02:53:22,520 --> 02:53:26,479 don't go to Arrow, come to us. Well, I would be happy 2234 02:53:26,559 --> 02:53:33,280 to talk to her in a heartbeat. You know. I just you just 2235 02:53:33,440 --> 02:53:35,840 can't. You just can't throw this stuff in the trench, can You can't. 2236 02:53:35,879 --> 02:53:41,600 You can't manipulate it. You can't do anything other than talk about it 2237 02:53:41,639 --> 02:53:43,559 and tell the truth about it. And these incidents need to be brought out. 2238 02:53:43,680 --> 02:53:48,719 And I've got other friends that want us say something about it, that 2239 02:53:48,879 --> 02:53:54,559 have contacted me over just the last five or six years that they would love 2240 02:53:54,600 --> 02:53:56,520 to spend some of her military also, And they say, man, I 2241 02:53:56,559 --> 02:54:01,040 don't want anybody to know this, And I say, you know, I 2242 02:54:01,200 --> 02:54:05,000 respect that, because if you tell me not to tell somebody something, I 2243 02:54:05,159 --> 02:54:07,840 will not tell somebody something. It's just that simple. But yeah, I 2244 02:54:07,879 --> 02:54:13,120 would be happy to talk to her so face to face. Anchor Patrick, 2245 02:54:13,159 --> 02:54:15,600 I don't care. It doesn't make it do They just got to get me 2246 02:54:15,639 --> 02:54:20,239 there and get me a suit because I don't want to suit anymore. We're 2247 02:54:20,239 --> 02:54:24,959 getting out the serious man. Well, we'll chat offline. I think there's 2248 02:54:26,040 --> 02:54:30,559 some folks I think you should probably speak with. Um. Okay, great, 2249 02:54:30,879 --> 02:54:33,239 So let's wrap it up here, Mario. How can folks find you 2250 02:54:33,360 --> 02:54:37,920 get in touch with you? Um? What would you like to share on 2251 02:54:37,000 --> 02:54:41,399 that? My email is simple. I'm you know. I'm on Facebook too, 2252 02:54:41,440 --> 02:54:43,680 and I don't really I don't like to use it all that much. 2253 02:54:43,760 --> 02:54:50,680 But Imwood's one seven five at gmail dot com is my email and you can 2254 02:54:50,040 --> 02:54:52,959 email me at anytime. I will, I promise you I'll answer you back. 2255 02:54:54,000 --> 02:54:56,799 It may take me a day or two. I'm mostly on my phone 2256 02:54:56,920 --> 02:54:58,719 and not on my laptop because I work for a living like a lot of 2257 02:54:58,799 --> 02:55:03,399 the people do. But I will answer you back, and it could continue 2258 02:55:03,440 --> 02:55:07,639 on. I'll answer you questions or help you get in a right spot. 2259 02:55:07,760 --> 02:55:09,200 If we can, we'll talk. I'll give you my phone number and we 2260 02:55:09,239 --> 02:55:13,079 can chat also necessary. It's up to you, though, But don't feel 2261 02:55:13,120 --> 02:55:16,239 shy, you know, if you've got a question, you know any in 2262 02:55:16,319 --> 02:55:20,159 any way, I don't care. If you listen to this and you don't 2263 02:55:20,239 --> 02:55:22,000 like it, you don't like me, I don't care. You've got something 2264 02:55:22,000 --> 02:55:24,319 to say, go ahead and ask me a question, send it to me 2265 02:55:24,840 --> 02:55:28,600 and we'll talk about it. I love that. Yeah, But folks, 2266 02:55:28,639 --> 02:55:33,760 if you enjoyed our show, we always appreciate a thumbs up and a subscribe 2267 02:55:33,079 --> 02:55:37,079 and and really to close us, Mario, first, firstly, thank you 2268 02:55:37,159 --> 02:55:41,200 for serving our country. It's patriots like yourself that allow us to be able 2269 02:55:41,239 --> 02:55:48,399 to live in freedom and speak about these things. And uh, you know 2270 02:55:48,520 --> 02:55:50,600 and might do it again in my book. You're you're an American hero, 2271 02:55:50,920 --> 02:55:56,360 and and your bravery and sharing this story, uh, and what you've gone 2272 02:55:56,399 --> 02:56:01,959 through and really also sharing the emotion behind it and and and how that has 2273 02:56:03,000 --> 02:56:09,600 impacted your life, your your your genuineness and openness. Uh is man, 2274 02:56:11,360 --> 02:56:15,360 I can't meet I can't wait to meet you in person and have a beer 2275 02:56:15,440 --> 02:56:20,280 with you. I'll see that, all right, folks. Thanks, we'll 2276 02:56:20,319 --> 02:56:22,680 do it. We'll barbecue for sure. Anyway, Mario, thank you very 2277 02:56:22,760 --> 02:56:26,680 much folks for thanks for joining us. This as our longest show. Again, 2278 02:56:26,760 --> 02:56:31,159 our apologies for the audio er at the beginning. Once once I stopped 2279 02:56:31,159 --> 02:56:35,040 the live stream, I'll try and put a little message in there so people 2280 02:56:35,360 --> 02:56:39,840 know to skip forward. Um. Anyway, thanks again for joining us, 2281 02:56:39,040 --> 02:56:43,079 and we will see you next time on the Good Trouble Show.