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Now, with that out of the way, oops, to get rid of
that. That's going to stay up. With that out of the way,
we'll fix that in a second. As many of you may know, Congress
mandated that an office be set up in the Pentagon to study UAPs, otherwise
known as UFOs. This office is called ARROW, or the All Domain Anomaly
Resolution Office. Recently, whistleblowers have been testifying under oath about their own experience
with UAP during their time in the government. We are joined today by one
such whistleblower, retired Air Force staff Sergeant Mario Woods. Mario, how are
you? That's what I need to do because I was in the Boy Scouts
blowing up possible or cub scouts in the Boy Scouts, so I have to
stop you. I just realized I made a we had a little technical bug
here, and it looks like your audio was muted, so everyone was hearing
me, which I can tell you they would much rather be listening let's to
you then than me. So sorry, uh sorry for our it's been it's
been a kind of a technical badge juju this morning uplifting tweets. He just
uh he just uh he just texted, So anyway, sorry about that.
Uh So, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna back up, actually
so uh so, yeah, so again just kind of briefly give us your
background before you've got into the got into the Air Force. Oh and we're
hitting the rewind button. Athletic kind of guy. I did race. I
did race a lot of motocross, and I really enjoyed that sport as a
beautiful sport. And I got to see some of the best racing on the
planet in southern California for UH seventy one seventy two World Ground Pries and see
all the Europeans when they used to dominate the sport which is now supercross today
in stadiums, and this was all outdoor motocross. And I raised quite a
bit and went to high sto school, tried to learn to serve, but
I got killed and didn't do that anymore. Got in a wave of a
shark one time. Didn't like that. Then we moved back to Tampa,
Florida, and it was just a short period of time. Later in seventy
three when our father was involved in a car accident real early in the morning
and it took his life and it changed everything for my entire family. And
just couldn't go in the Navy, so I enlisted in the Air Force.
I went in, delayed, enlisted, my program just so I could.
I would come out of and for six years, and I would come out
of Basic as an Airman first Class versus an Airman Basic or an airman.
Okay, So so you go through Basic, go through basic training, and
then your next assignment is is what, Oh, I'm sorry? Well,
you know, you go through basic training as an overall general training program,
and then you specialize in whatever career field that you're going into. A mine
was security police BM and I couldn't wire rocket engine because I'm color blind.
But anyhow, you go through air based ground defense training, which is very
substantial and it's about six weeks in duration, and then you know, you
live at a prisoner of war camp and that was a lot of fun,
and you do a whole lot of real technical training and a lot of sensitive
nuclear materials based training for the nuclear platforms or whatever weapon storage programs that you
would later be involved with. There are two different classification in law enforcement in
the Air Force, and one is ellis or law enforcement. The other was
security police, and they're both police officers, but security police more dealt with
or dealt with like runway functions, weapons storage areas, that type of thing,
whereas the law enforcement personnel more or less troll the base facilities and operations,
base housing. We all worked together. We just had different assignments,
but it was it was a very good thing and I really enjoyed it,
and I'll do it again if they'd have me. Even though I'm sixty seven.
I still go back today. But my first base of assignment was there
Elseworth Air Force Base after Basic and all said technical training in schools, and
that was a real surprise to me because I've never meant in that DA code
is at all. And it's an absolutely beautiful place and I could live there
today. I got to go back there in twenty twenty, I believe,
I think it was twenty twenty with that Discovery Plus channel and relived the whole
thing and go to all the different sites, which everything's decommissioned, but it's
all still there and it's really unique. And all the roads, I knew
them like the back of my hand. It's like it's roadmapped into me as
well as my ALRDA is. You know, I know my way there.
I don't know how to say how else to say that, but well,
let's say so we got some photos from you here that I'd like to bring
up and we'll start with some of the earlier ones that you had, um
and just would love to get your comments on it. So h so this
is you. How old are you there? This is you? And your
mom may take it that me my mama? Yeah, my mom. She's
she passed kind of early, about fifty three years old. And yeah,
I think I was probably tim there or something like that. I guess summer
maybe. But yeah, that was a fun morning. And it's funny how
you see a picture and you can remember that day. I remember today.
Well, she was a great lady, best cook in the world, and
taught me how to fry chicken Southern cooking man. Yeah, yeah, southern
Southern cooking. Yeah. Okay. Then that this was another one I thought
was interesting. Tell us about this. Yeah, this is This is a
real strange vessel. This is the Marine Salt of Queen. Then my father
served on this vessel up till about nineteen sixty three or two. I believe
it may have been in port in Port Arthur, Texas. I'm sure if
it's date of sinking. But this vessel is in Charles Berlitz's book The Bermuda
Triangle, and my father had two cousins on this boat, and when my
dad got off of it, he was a twenty ninth person and I think
he was a third engineer. Okay, he got an offer from Texico and
that's why he got off of it in Port Arthur. But prior to getting
off of it, she was port side as you see her right now,
at a dock in Port Arthur, Texas, where we lived. My father
took me on that vessel and holding my hand, and back then there were
no laws concerning a gangway being netted, so there's no you know, nothing
to catch you. And my greatest fear at I was like five years old,
holding my dad's hand with my left hand, and I remembered the distance
between those steps on that gangway and the gangway was really tall. And I
later worked for a ship maritime shipping company in my life, so I always
paid attention to growing up gangways, you know, and it seemed as if
the steps back then were a lot further apart. Of course, I was
a lot smaller, but I lost my shoe going up that up that gangway
that night. But my father took me up there, and so he went
there to gather his stuff and say good bye the way shipmates, and I
had to walk around with one shoe on, one shoe off. And my
mother wasn't happy with that when I got home, because my you know,
all the oil and the stains they were on the deck of a vessel's pretty
bad. Oh god, Yeah, Okay, she sank. Now she sank
on sterious conditions and dry tortoogos or the tongue of the ocean down on the
south and south end of Florida. And nothing was ever found except in the
very center of the vessel on the very top of that flat bridge. There's
a name played up there and it said marine sulfa queen and they found sulf
on Miami Beach. And I don't know what year that was, but it
was on the news. And that's all I've ever found over nobodies know nothing.
Wow, mysterious delitz right about it? All right, let's let's have
a look at this next one here. I particularly like this, so what
is going on there? It was just acting crazy. That was that Herbert
Field in Florida. I believe we were on an exercise, and of course
we had to pitch a tent. I just dug a trough with that knife
around my whole around the whole tent, you know, just a few inches
deep to run off water because we were expecting rain. So somebody just said,
hey man, I'm taking a picture, and I just did that and
threw that, threw that in my mouth and did it like a fool.
So that's all there was to that. We were under for a large exercise
with the army and Air Force personnel from many different bases, and so it
was always a good time. Really was a great time. So the air
work guys, see you guys got along fine with the with the army guys.
Yeah. Yeah, there was a little spatting every now and then,
a little some bad jokes like you know on the latrines, you know,
were normally like where they brought you. Fifty guys can be in there at
the same time. Everything's got big troughs. You know. Sure rangers walk
in and they're walking out and somebody you hear so pop and fizz, they'll
throw a smoke grenade behind them, you know, the plates out. Yeah,
that sounds like my high you know, that sounds like my high school
days. Having fireworks fights, uh in the backyard with with with my buddies,
definitely good times. Okay. So um, before we really start digging
into this, So okay, so you're assigned to to a nuclear missile base.
So so describe for those that don't understand how our nuclear missiles are set
up. Described us how a nuclear base is set up, and then what
exactly your job was, and then we'll show start showing some of the photos
that you said. Okay, Ellsworth Air Force Base was the main support base,
and Ellsworth also supported a strategic aircraft wing uploaded ready to go bombers and
at that time they would be fifty two ACE models and the missile field as
I would call it, it was three squadrons. You had really had three
sectors to sixty six, sixty seventh, and sixty eighth, and that means
like down by the bad Lands there were five existing facilities there. Then in
the center area of just up to the north of Ellsworth you had five additional
launch control facilities, and then up near Sturgis all the way to the Wyoming
border you had five more. So you had a total of fifteen lunch control
facilities where you lived. And these missiles were spread everywhere. As I said,
I stated, like from the bad Lands all the way over to the
Wyoming state line, all the way north to probably half the way or two
north Dakota, and then that would that would coordinate with my not Air Force
base. Then you had Maelstrom you know in Montana and fe Warren in Wyoming.
So that formed the Central United States. You know, ready minute Men
two missile network, and these were minute Men two rockets, so they're a
little bit larger than the minute Men ones and they're all solid fewer rockets.
So and we maintained security over those particular sites where we lived for three days
at a time and then offer three to four days depending upon you know,
what the rotation of the shift was. And we worked shifts from six am
to six pm or six pm to six am, and on duty, it
didn't even given a time. There would be three security police officers and there
would be a flight security controller who dispatched his team, which would be myself
and another member or a leader. And until I became I was placed in
the role of flight security controller, so they have direct communication with the officers
under stairs. I guess the staffing of a launch control facility or six security
police officers, a facility manager a site cook, and you have four officers,
which are your missile launch officers. Two are on duty unity given time.
They're underground about sixty to seventy five feet in the capsule. That capsule
is secured the flight Security control or any upper office secure as a door that
enters the elevator to that area and controls all access to it, and we
back him up accordingly. When we discatch to a unaffected alarmed missile site,
there's a certain we should say, a coat, not a code, but
a number given to what the alarm could be. And everything's a different situation,
and that's what we used to call them sits, like a SIT six
or SIT four or whatever it may be. We primarily handle those two,
but we had a lot of launch facility checks at all time, just like
you do normal controls. If you're police officer and no outside you were checking
a bank down compared to a chamber of commerce building or anything like that,
it's the same difference, but just displaced that for nuclear weaponry. And okay,
so we've got a few photos here, so this is so this is
uh so, this is one of the minuteman ICBMs here that that's correct standing
on the right. Now, that's a that's a photograph commemorating that particular event
of that day of the Strategic Air Wing and it's the forty four Strategic Air
Wing, as we were the forty fourth Missile Security Squadron there and it might
be with with you know, the I guess the announcement of both strategic air
and missile combination. I'm really not sure. But that is on display at
the Rapid City Airport and it's there's really a great bunch of photos. I
could only get so many over to you real quick, but I stood there
for forty five minutes taking pictures of pictures the last time when I flew there
in twenty twenty that I'd never had before. But it was really quite a
quite quite a facility. And at any given time at Elsworth there were about
eight hundred and fifteen security police officers. So I was told once that once
out of one of every four people that you met on base was a security
policeman. I could be wrong about that, That's what I was once told.
Now this here is is this is this on the job. That's a
that's at Sanda National Laboratory, and I'm a quec in New Mexico out on
the bat hundred acres per se what we were doing, We just came out
of a gas house on that a gas shoot house, and this was a
security response team training for the United States Department of Energy. Okay later,
yeah, yeah, so well, yeah, we'll chat about that later.
So I think this one is probably more more appropriate as that is. And
right there would be like Kilo six site. Now that wasn't taken when I
was there, but that's the configuration that we would be in and they would
be in today, and that would be pretty much ready to go with a
Catillac gage rumber personnel carrier, a fifty kun done on on top of it.
There's one on the ground also fire teams or qRT teams, and I
believe there's a helicopter, but I can't see. That's in the upper left
hand portion of that picture. And that would be a quick reaction for us
coming from the main support base at Ellsworth. That's that base is fifty five
miles away from where I was located and away from most of the other launch
control facilities when you lived out there, got it, Okay, So let's
look at the facility. So there's that and then so so what are we
looking at here? That is November one today and there've been decommissioned. And
in that door that's on the lower lets on the left. Through that door,
that door was normally kept seal from the inside would be the elevator chaft
to go underground approximately sixty to seventy feet where the capsule was located in the
officers. But I just took that picture because I, you know, I
couldn't believe that the site was still there and that you know, just and
just bring back so many memories. And even that antenna that you see above
the roofline. I helped erect that thing the day that it came out.
A bunch of us out there. If we had we had three it was
for TV reception. I mean it looks like a great antenna for that,
doesn't it. Yeah, But we only had three channels, ABC, CBS
and NBC and they all ended their signal a broadcast at twelve o'clock at night.
So you got that old crazy symbol up. And that's the front part
of the facility. That's the that's where the flat security controller would be.
And that's the door that actually stepped out of that night when I viewed this
craft to the east at about a thirty degree rise on the horizon and due
east of my position where I was standing. Now, what is this here?
That is November five missile site. When they were decommissioned, they removed
everything that was underground. The silo was all caved in or exploded in,
filled with rock, but they left the bed of rock there and the fencing.
So these areas were the highest points for a lot of these ranchers that
owned these pieces of property that were released for ninety nine years. And instead
of their hay, as you can see there is hay getting wet being stored
elsewhere. It was up and above you know, the normal elevation of the
surrounding prairie, so it would stay dry. So those were really select areas
that these ranchers quickly captured to because it would be more than Demai I have
two or three sites on his property. So of these ranchers out there in
fifty sixty eighty thousand acres of land, you know, and land has been
in their family since the eighteen hundreds, since it was settled, so they
kind of prized that because you know, the government left the fencing fencing goes
down about four feet in the ground also, and it's heavily rocked. Today
there's a cattle processing building made of metal red and white that's sitting on November
five. So this was just part of that time. And this is November
five from an aerial view of Google Earth. Now, so what described this
map here? If you want? Okay, that's Schuler Ellsworth Air Force Basis
and in conjunction to where November one is located. But I'll go can you
follow that to to my left? You go up the highway of ninety to
Sturgis, and in Highway seventy nine, as you can see, goes straight
up. It's go straight through sturd Just we should stop there and get food
on our way out to our site and come up, come straight up through
Bear Butte and which looks like a bear laying on its side. There's a
National memorial up there also cemetery, and and you're straight on Nineway seventy nine
was November one. First, you passed through the small town of Newell,
which is not shown there. And there it is that the upper above the
Neisland Road, you can see Newell. And we were just out eight and
a half miles I guess from Newell out to November one, and it would
be on the left of Highway seventy nine. Got it. Okay, So
so let's um, I'm trying to think. I think we've kind of um.
I shall want to show another another really good thing. So this this
was awarded what at your exit of the Air Force? What can you tell
us about? Well, it was standboard evaluation, like as an overall,
an overall test of your job performance and job knowledge and practicality of it and
what you do during a given situation. And I scored really really high on
it, and they awarded My commander awarded it to me. So it was
just really nice to have and everybody needs one. I kind of stare,
sh sure, yeah, I agree. Now, so people kind of get
a sense of the level of responsibility. So you're you're literally guarding a fly
to missiles, which are what flight of ten nuclear tipped ICBMs. These things
have more destructive power than Hiroshima, capable of just wiping out a whole city,
right, Yeah, Well they were one point two megaton weapons, and
I think Hiroshima, I'm not really sure to size that. I don't think
it was a get time. I think it was quite smaller than that.
I don't want to say a number, because you know, people try to
hold you to and I hold me to anything I say. But I just
I don't know the number. I just know it smaller than a mega time
now and sorry, go ahead, no, no, no, we have
We are responsible for ten missiles at each launch control facility, which comprised or
made up one hundred and fifty total men and men two missiles at Ellsworth Air
Force Base. And I only say Ellsworth because that's the main support base.
And you're dispatched everywhere in the missile field, whether you go down towards the
bad Lands and the Echo area or Delta area, or or the sixty eighth
area where I was located in November, Kilo area. Every launch control facilities
were responsible for ten missiles, and you patrol those missiles just like they're your
best friend, you know. I mean, you go out there and you
check them every day. You do fence patrols, you do internal fence patrols.
You and you escort teams to there to do maintenance. You maybe you
have to coordinate. There may be people flown out by helicopter to land on
the site, and you coordinate those that flight activity that they are authorized to
be there, and you know, give them a hand signals bringing them in
or taking off or you know. That's your responsibility and it weighs heavily and
everybody, so you just gotta do it what you gotta do. So what
kind of security clearance do you have to hold in order to protect these nuclear
missile sites. Well, Bena, I didn't have direct access to the to
a nuclear u sensitive nuclear material at any time by myself, like like picking
up this cup, for instance, you can't do that. I had a
secret impact along with everybody else out there. However, we also work no
man or two men teams or it was two it was two people president at
all. In anything in which we did, it was a no loan zone.
So you couldn't go in any areas by yourself that you weren't supposed to
be ended involved nuclear weapons or nuclear materials or or resources. So it's always
with someone, right, and so this isn't a job that just anyone can
have the background checks, the clearance you have to have just because of this
awesome responsibility for such a powerful weapon, right absolutely, and you know it
goes much further than that. I mean you could. I mean, you
know, we were authorized to us the deadly force and that could mean anything,
you know, in a police type activity or duty that it be federal
or state or what have you. But you know, assistant a car accident
or what if you were in sturges and a bank robbery took place or something,
would you participate? Yeah? I would. I trying to save lives.
And that's you know, that's what our charter is, just like a
regular police officer, just we're in military uniform, operating unity to umc UMC
uniform Code of Military Justice. So anyway, that's that's how that's how we
worked. Okay, so let's jump to the to the story that I think
is. I've heard a lot of stories, and I've been in touch with
Robert Hastings for quite some time, who wrote u UFO and nukes, and
boy, we old that guy a debt of a debt of gratitude for bringing
this out into the open. So so in nineteen seventy seven, what happened
when you were on duty? M Well, really it just it was happenstance.
I U. It was extremely cold, and it was between like nine
and thirteen degrees. Um. I was in uniform, of course, I
had on long John's and I worked at six pm to six am shift,
and it was our first day in the field. We had just gotten there
that day, and I had a new partner that was his name was Michael
Johnson, who we've been trying to locate for years, and a lot of
money's been spent trying to locate him. We'd be unsuccessful, and hopefully Arrow
can find him because they've got all the information I've got on him, and
if anybody can find him, they should be able to. But going back
to that, I just happened to step out the front door and you saw
him that picture a little bit ago. I think it was number ten,
and I was gonna smoked cigarettes and I was gonna just get out and get
some fresh air because we had steam heat inside the launch control facility and I
was always warm or always air conditioned. I mean it was they were very
comfortable facilities. You can never go wrong there. Food was great, everything
was good. You were just out there three days at a time, you
know, with six other guys. But anyway, I stepped outside to smoke
a cigarette right out that front door, and I just was looking at the
sky like I always do, and I just happened to notice something that was
east of me at about a thirty degree level on the horizon. And at
first I honestly thought that it was B fifty two bombers, you know,
from the main base at Ellsworth, because we supported that strategic air wing there.
Because then they have some really large landing lights. I don't know how
big they are, you know, size diameter wise, but they have some
really bright well, you know, aircraft has some bright lights anyway, so
back then these are wartime aircraft, so they probably have brighter lights and commercial
birds due today, I don't know, but it looked as if the lights
were coming toward me, because it certainly wouldn't making a difference left or right,
which would have been north or south. And I just sat there from
in watching it, and it was large enough to where if I put my
hand up outstretched like this, it covered the lights. But if I did
this, the light was around my palm, around my hand, my fist.
Well, that's really strange, feel strange. And it was there for
a while, I mean three or four or five minutes I'm watching it before
I even thought about it. I just okay, could it be Venus or
Jupiter or something. No, it wasn't either. The moon wasn't big enough
for the moon, but it was. It was larger any start ever seen,
and it was just in that position and it didn't move. That's what
I thought it was coming to me. So I don't know where the idea
came from, and I guess it was working my dad. And I've seen
tug boats, I've seen you know, ships flash lights at each other at
sea and that kind of thing. And of course you've seen war movies where
they'd flashed each other, you know, and you know, communicate that way.
So I thought, well, I've got all these facility lash right here
behind me, so I'm gonna I'm gonna flash of lights at it. I
mean, to them, whoever was whoever was up there, had to look
as if we're the only thing in the middle of that prairie. There are
no other there's no other lights out there at all. I don't even know
how far I guessed to Bellefoush, which was I don't know, thirty five
thirty nine miles away. Don't quote me, but I think, of course
Newles behind me eight or nine miles, and I thought, well, I'll
just go in here and I'll flip the lights at it. So they were
either twelve or fourteen light cans on our perimeter and that's what they were,
security perimeter lights. And they were on the building and on our fence line,
and of course they shone outward, you know, so we could see
anything coming towards us. We had electronic gates, we had you know,
ten foot fences, and the entire facilities fenced in. And it's in the
facilities kind of hardened. So anyhow, or the above ground or below ground
parts all hard and we could all get there we had to. But anyway,
so I walked inside and a friend of mine, Bill sar staffs areder
Bill Holliman, was on the phone and I said, hey, Bill,
I said, I see something out here. And we worked together before down
at another site. But anyway, I said, there's there's something in the
area out here. I said, in the atmosphere, and I said,
I think it's Beefy. I think it's Buffs or that's a nickname. I
think he lived in Rampad City. I'm not sure, but I said,
I'm gonna flip it for civility lights at it, you might he didn't even
he just kind of looked up and just kind of waved me off, you
know. So sure enough, I just reached up and just flipped the lights
at this thing, and all eyes go off and on, just a little
rocker. It's like a twist switch and off on, off, on,
off on. Did have three or four times walked back outside right where I
was standing maybe twenty feet outside the door, looking to him. I ride
in east at about thirty degrees and there's that humped and I'd been standing or
maybe fifteen twenty seconds, and all of a sudden it blinked off, blinked
on, blinked dog, blinked on, blinked dog, and came back on.
So at three times it did that, and I just went wow,
it answered me. Not knowing what it was, I really honestly thought it
was an aircraft, and I thought, well, that's strange, and see
you, but it's not getting any closer, and I should be hearing something.
I should be hearing something now, you know, And I didn't.
So I went back into the front door, and this little vegetable area beside
that picture that I showed you where as the Flag Security Controller's office. There's
a little hallway and it opens up into the day room, and Michael Johnson
was sitting in there, and I don't remember if there was anybody else in
the day room there was still up watching DUV or not. I really don't.
I don't remember, but I said, Michael, come in here and
check this out. And I mind you, I just met him that day
on our rideout we did our our relief and these big blue Air Force buses
looked like school buses, just painted blue a year as the Air Force autom
and the windows are tended out, and so I really didn't know him.
And my partner he had gone home to North Carolina to get married, and
so he's taken thirty days of vacation. And I said, Michael, come
in here and check this out, man or something up here in the air
and he just kind of looked at me, and I don't think he gave
me much credit. Now, he was my team leader. He hadn't ranked
you by two months, so instead of ye, he was a team leader
that for that time out in the field. And so he walked outside reluctantly,
you know, and stood up there and he just kind of looked.
He still didn't say And then I said, see that thing right there,
I said, I flipp the lights at it, and it went on.
It flipped the lights back at me three times, and he just kind of
looked at me, and I don't know, he didn't believe me. I
said, stay right here, I'm gonna go do it again. So I
went and did it again, and I can't ran right out there. As
soon as I did it, I did three or four times, ran right
back out there and stood next to him. About fifteen seconds later. It
went off and it stayed off, and it moved and it went further north,
but yet it got closer. In other words, instead I just straightened.
It was kind of like an easterly northeasterly kind of trajectory, you know.
But it stayed the same altitude and it flipped back on. It didn't
move a lot, but it moved from where it was. And I really,
I said, I must be an aircraft. When I said, when
when they did that, they must just see they see us. It's either
aircraft or helicopters, you know. We I think we had those super black
Hawks or something like that. Then we didn't have jolly greens that I knew
of. I guess have more army at the time, but we had super
black Hawks that we had. We were affected relief in those a couple of
times when we were snowed out there in the field. But anyway, I
said, what do you think, man, he goes on, he goes
whatever. I think He said that to me. He said it to me
a couple more times. It really didn't have any comments on anything of that
night, you know, which was really bad that from later on. But
anyway, so itipped on, it flipped off, and then it flipped on,
and then it flipped off, and then that was pretty much it.
And I said, what do you think that is? Man? I say
it in helicopters, I said, you hear anything, because literally you couldn't
hear. There's nothing out there. There's no cars your way off the highway,
and it's not a very used highway or it's not an interstate. Let's
put it that way. And he just said, like whatever, he said,
I don't know what it was. And he walked back inside. So
I walked back inside. I flipped the damn lights at it one more time,
and then it appeared, but it was much further north. So that
was three times it went out and came back on, and the third time
it stayed off for just a little bit and then it went off, and
this time comprised about ten after nine, somewhere right in there ten fifteen minutes
after nine until about nine thirty five, nine forty. And I'm trying to
be exact here because it's important, and I've gone over this timeline a million
times. I've had to you know, over the years. I just you
just you got to get this right in your mind. So I literally said
to myself, I don't know, I remember this. I said, well,
I guess this show's over. It's exactly what I said to myself.
I was at here long and I walked back in. I didn't say anything
to Bill Hallow, and I just went back in the Today room and I
sat down and I picked up a book or grabbed a backgammon board or something.
You know. We had a ping pong table and there also, and
we'd already eaten dinner, so I just kind of cooled out for a while
and watching TV. And as if Michael, he just do what he was
doing and we didn't discuss much or anything. I just thought it was really
cool. We just seen and the networks all went off the air at midnight
or just a few seconds afterwards, and so TV went off and it just
so I guess it was about twelve twenty somewhere right in there. All of
a sudden you heard the alert phone in the flag security controller's office. It
went off. And it's one of those films that ring direct. I'm not
going to do it. I've done it so many times. I feel like
a fool. It it's a ring that you have to pick it up.
You can't, you can't avoid it. I mean, that's an emergency.
So these guys need something, so pick the phone up. So the FSC
Flight Security controller does that. So I heard Bill Holme and say sit for
November five. And that was a little different alarm that you don't normally have.
It was an outer and an inner alarm penetration or activation I should say,
I shouldn't say penetration. And so we gathered our stuff and everything,
and then Michael got the safety briefing, which is that's relevant to every single
time you get in that vehicle and wherever you're going. They know where you're
going, they know how long it takes to get there, and of course
you implement five minute security checks until you arrive, and then you give updated
security checks. And not only is the flight security controller listening and the missile
Launch controul Crude listening, but Wing Security Control that's over all security activities back
at Ellsworth Air Force Base, and all these bases have the same w Wing
Security Control. They're monitoring the conditions or the situations in which we're investigating.
So you have these three different functions going on to one time that everybody's listening
to what you're telling them, and so we grab our ditty bags, that's
what we call them. You know. It's great, big, huge bag
and it's got all your clothes in in case you've got to spend the night
on the site in a pickup truck, which had happened quite a bit,
if you know. The snow sets these alarms off and you can't reset them
without digging out between all three antennas, which is four or five foot of
snows. A lot to dig, you know, And I think everybody in
security police out there is served has probably done it more than once. But
anyhow so, it was travel times only maybe twelve or fifteen minutes to the
number five had happened to be the closest launch facility lef to No. Number
one LCF, So you know, we knew it was really close. And
I was the one that knew the way to every to all of our sites
because Michael Johnson he was from another another sector, I guess, and he
didn't work out there. And so we gathered up everything and our weapons or
our code tables and what all we had, and we operated a F one
fifty four pickup truck at that time, which were our response vehicles, weapons
racks in the back of them. They just two will drive trucks, believe
it or not, not four will drive and loaded up and proceeded on,
went through the gate, commenced our security checks and went to the first everything
out. There's clay roads on these back roads off the highways, and you
can go from Highway seventy nine turning west and go all the way to Wyoming
on a dirt road straight as an arrow, or you can go east and
held all the way to Sioux Falls if you want. But you can literally
travel half that state on dirt roads if you're so desired, and they're good
roads. They're really nice. They're not bad at all. They maintain them
really well. So as we were traveling for the first left and the second
left at the next intersection again Clay Roads, we were proceeding up to Highway
seventy nine, which was about four and a half miles, but that's about
how far we are off of Highway seventy nine to launch control facility. And
as we were traveling, I'm in the past near seat, and I guess
we're in like a on a prairie, you know, you have loads and
highs right on like plateaus and so forth. As we were going up to
Highway seventy nine, we were approaching the top of a I guess, at
the top of the plateau. And I just happened to look over to the
right in the direction of where November five would be, because we would go
from low up to high like that, and I see something bright and pulsing
way off in the distance at about a four o'clock position, and I go,
it might have been three thirty position, as I you knows, as
I remember, but anyway, it was pulsing, and I thought, what
what the hell was that? You know, I've been out here a long
time, but I've never seen anything like that. And so I tell Michael
Johnson as we were coming up to Oby seventy and I said, man,
there's something bright pulsing over there. By November five, I said, you
know, the first thing you want to think is there's maybe there's an nuclear
accident or something like that, something something bad going happening there. And but
it didn't really it didn't really excite him at all. He kind of said,
whatever again, you know, he's used that a couple of times to
anyway, As we got Highway seventy nine in turn right now we're on top
of that plateau, and I looked at about the one o'clock at four o'clock
it became my one o'clock, and you could really see this bright sitting light
emanating I believed from the ground. I don't know if it's an electrical transformer
or something had gone bad. I don't remember transformers being on any of the
poles out there, and there weren't hardly any poles. Most of the stuff's
underground. They were smarter than to put their electricity underground when they built it.
I mean, really amazing for that part of the country, you know,
and it's really neat. But because you certainly can't be without power in
a blizzard, in a winter storm, you know, when he gets forty
blow zero, you got to have power. Man. So anyway, I'm
looking at this object pulsating in glowing or I didn't see an object. I
just saw this glow coming from the ground at this time. And I said,
man, that's that object at November five. And he looked at me
like I had lost my absolute mind, which I thought maybe I had,
you know, I mean, maybe I'll jump in a gun or something.
That it was. It was very strange. And again he hit me with
I don't think so or whatever in that in that tone again because we didn't
know me and I didn't know him. Let's put it that way, okay.
And so as we went down the plateau into the toward Newell, toward
the only stop sign, and then just beyond that scene, there's one stop
light, one stop sign in Newell, South Dakota. Population at that time
was two hundred and fifty four. I remember it because I was on the
sign entering and exiting the little town Newell. I'm always seventy nine today as
six hundred and fifty people lived there and it's super nice people, super folks,
and love talking to him every chance I get. And anyhow, as
stopped to stop sign. The same white house is sitting on that corner today
and it's called Orman O R M A and you can look at it on
Google Earth. Ormond Road turn right and we went out about I guess it's
about three quarters of a mile and then the road kind of turns to the
dog legs to the left is what I call it, and it drops off
the pavement back on the plane. And when we did that, there was
a spherical object sitting on top of November five that was the size and I
got to say, it the size of a super Walmart building. And it
was absolutely gargangeline. I could not believe what I was seeing. I was
seeing really large ships in my day and was really lucky to see that growing
up so large things really weren't I don't know, weren't that big to me.
But this thing, it blew everything else I've ever seen in my life
out of the water. And this is a topic, I think, that's
what I guess. Yeah, top view of it, and it may not
be as big. I kind of ran out of paper when I drew that
it may not be as big as it was, but it was extremely large.
And where our vehicle is in a lower right hand lower corner of this,
we pulled up at a forty five degree angle and noticed those little four
lines on that little driveway right there. That's a cattle gate to keep rancher's
cattle from coming out into these clay rows. And we were about twenty yards
sixty feet or so, it was a bit more from where the vehicles positioned
to the gate, and that was our tactical throwdown, ready to fight whatever
stance that you want to call it against something like that. You know,
I mean, really I have to laugh at myself every time I look at
this. But I thought, well, what are we doing? You know?
I mean, this was clearly a technology that was so off the charts
in my view and in my mind, and I'm sure Michael Johnson's that it's
it's hard to even wrestle with. And the complexity of That's that was in
twenty seventeen. That's at my home where I am now, Yeah, November
seventeen, twenty seventeen. But going back to that, to that that object,
um, I don't know if I felt fear or I guess, you
know, you either it's either fight or flight. Right in the process,
you just hope you don't mess yourself. And it seemed as if as a
thought occurred to me what to do next. I mean, in just a
flash of a second light right now, blink my eye, you know,
and that in between that blink, all of sudden, the air in the
in the cab of that truck was just literally evacuated. And it felt as
if I was and I was, you know, probably two hundred pounds in
but I was, I wasn't, and I was in really good shape,
and uh it felt it. And I had on a parka, had on
my fatigues, and I had on long jaws underneath those, and I had
on bunny boots. Bunny boots we use in extremely cold weather. They have
internal bladders on the inside of the ankles and around the foot that you literally
open a straighter valve and you blow air into them. You secure the valve
and put your put them on and they keep your feet warm. And some
really really cold weather, I mean, you can't wear a leather boot or
something like that in this kind of in this kind of atmosphere. But anyway,
or in that kind of climate, the snow out there is like talcum
powder. It's extremely dry, there's no humidity, and you fall off in
that stuff, you'd likely to suffocate. But the air, the internal atmosphere
of that vehicle was just pulled away. And it bothers me right now I'm
talking about it, and it does every single time. I don't care how
many times I discussed it by myself or in front of folks or telling cokes,
but it just happens and felt as if I was being pulled by pressures
up until the back window of that single cab F one fifty four pickup truck.
And in my mind, in a split second, I knew the only
thing that I needed to ask for relief. Where that thought comes from,
only God knows. And I grabbed a magliight that I'd gotten as a gift,
and I think they had de cell batteries in it. And back then
in the seventy seven that was a prize tool for any security policeman to own
a damn maglike you know, I means, you know, extremely expensive,
and not many people had them, and they weren't they weren't regular standard issue
for security policeman at all. But I got my hands on one and I
grabbed his maglike and I reached out and I had on my I had on
amitten on this hand on my left hand, and it encloses three fingers and
your trigger finger is free and it goes all the way down your risk to
by mid part of your elbow and then they send up. So there you
got your park on. So your your hands are extremely warm and you can
operate, you know, your weapons platform that way and and whatever else you
got to do. Get your hands. If your hands are cold and you
fee a cold, you're ruined, you know. And I didn't have a
glove on my right hand, and I rolled the window down real quick,
and it was blasting cold, I guess, you know, with the adrenaline
going through me and everything. It was just like a cold blast of air
just hit me like a brick. And I reached up and I grabbed the
Western mirrors that was stainless toll in Western mirrors on this I'm fifty four,
and I pulled myself up because I was afraid to step out of the vehicle.
I remember saying Michael Johnson, I said, you're getting out. He
didn't say nothing. He was just a bathe in a blue blinding light light.
And I said, I'm not getting out. So I pulled myself up
on this window, grabbed hold of the bubble up there with my leave in
my left hand, and I lifted up my mag light and I was just
flashing this light at this object the size of a Walmart building, with my
mag light just flashing it, just bink bink bink bink bink, bing bing,
And I did that five or six times, and all of a sudden,
I could I just felt as if the pressure was released, and I
slid back down on that seat just like that. I don't know where my
maglight went. And I grabbed my M sixteen and I and I put it
to my legs and I just held on the barrel in the A frame side
and I just held on to it. And I didn't know what to think
because I was just kind of shaking, and I could breathe a whole lot
easier. And I turned to Michael Johnson and I told him, I say
it's gonna be okay now, It'll be all right now, is what I
said to him. No answer when I looked at him, it was just
like the light inside his vehicle was so intense that it with your eyes closed,
you could see almost the blood vessels in your eyes. And I made
sure that windows up because I feared I feared something on the on the outside
of me. I feared something on the right side of that vehicle, and
I knew it only had that little thickness of glass separating me from what what
was out there. And I started to uh as I was breathing. I
didn't hear any word from Michael Johnson. I don't know if the vehicles running,
I don't know what. But there was something in front of our windshield
and it was about I don't know, maybe four or five times the size
of a beach ball. But it was black and it wasn't solid, but
it was it was round. They had like it had like lines from top
to bottom, and in between the lines were events and it that I can
hear it. It just kind of shot right and left, up and down.
It was. It was. It was right in front of our vehicle
and it was the strangest it was. I don't even know how. I
don't think we had drones then. I don't even know. I didn't even
learn that we're drone until some time later. But I kept asking myself,
what is that? What is that? And all of a sudden it was
I didn't see it anymore, and I started to kind of close up my
tunnel vision or whatever my vision was doing now no Michael Johnson doing. He
was just glued to the steering wheel that that light blue plastic sterning wheel in
definitely fifty. And I looked to my right as I literally was turned into
black. I guess, I mean, it's so hard to just you were
trying to talk to yourself and pass out at the same time. It's very
difficult to do. But I looked to my right and I saw four shattery
figures about three to four feet tall, and three of them and then one
tall one behind them. And the feeling it ran through me was something that
just bothered me right now. But I heard the words inside of my body,
not in verbal speak at all, do not fear, do not fear.
It sounds like somethely ever heard before it. And I guess when you're
a child and you in your mother's womb, I get and your father's or
your brothers or whoever speaks through her stomach to you, it's kind of like
that muffled but we have memory of it. We have memory will be known
or a lot all of us do if that happened to us. But that
was the memory which I was left with that I'd heard this, I'd felt
this before, this kind of this kind of speak or communication, and my
seeming as if I felt as in my body was on fire inside. I
don't know how to really come to grips of that, and it's just something
I gotta live with. But the little guy on the right, he had
something in his belt and it was like a rod that was probably ten to
I don't know, ten twelve inches long, and the very tip of it
had like a yellow like a like a yellow ball on it of some type,
and it was of a yellow that I can't describe. It was just
that color to me, and I'm color blind, so it could have been
something else. But the hauling behind the three looked him completely looked completely different,
and he had something right here on the top part of his chest that
was the same color as the tip of that little rod. Because at all
three just coincided at one time, and at about the fifteen foot range,
I just went black. And that's the last thing that I remember besides hearing
do not fear, Do not fear. And I just, I just,
I don't know how much time have I opened my eyes and I'm in complete
blackness, darkness all around me. And I look over Michael Johnson and I
said, hey, man, I said, I said, where the hell
are we? I don't even know why I asked a question because he wouldn't
know anyway, He's unfamiliar with that area. He didn't answer me. He
was stuck to that steering wheel like no person ever ever seen in my life.
As if he was catatonic is a word I want to use, But
he was frozen in place. I poked this man's face, poked, I
pushed him in his shoulders. I hollered at him. I did everything I
could possibly do in just a few seconds of me opening my eyes into this
total blankness because I was kind of pissed off. Be honest with you,
I didn't have any clue where I was, what happened? Where did I
say? Where did the object go? I'm talking to myself and I'm not
getting anything from a so called team leader. I popped the door open.
I guess I'm out of anger or fright, I'm not really sure. And
I had them up bonee boots and I stepped out and I stepped in mud.
Now, the temperature was between nine and thirteen degrees, and every place
else in that whole prairie area around the site and on the site itself,
on my parking lot, there was ice and the ground was frozen, and
it had been frozen for I guess about a week. We'd had a blizzard
or something the week before, and when that place gets cold, it gets
extremely cold and it stays that way for a long time. Anyhow, I
stepped out in mud, and I'm where the hell are we Because looking to
my immedia righte, not five or six feet away from me, was this
slanting like wall that went straight up. As far as I could see now,
mind you, I'm in total darkness. It just went straight up and
it was white and it didn't go straight. Not a wall that you park
against or something, or your home wall, your house. This is a
wall that was at an angle, like forty five degrees, like an angle,
and it was covered in snow. As far as I could see now,
mind you, was sup or dark, and as far as I could
see north and south. That's I was trying to, you know, to
give my compass bearings. Where what was north and southeast and west? You
know, I'd say it was running north and south and it was straight,
you know, up, you know, forty five or fifty feet and hm.
Anyway, I'm still hollering at him, trying to get something out of
him. I said, Michael, you've got to talk to me, man,
something we got to do. We got to talk to somebody. The
radio came to life and I heard wsc EVE November one, what's your location?
And it was like the voice of God just came through that radio,
because I hadn't heard anything since we got to that mississide. I don't even
remember doing security checks once we arrived, or communicating with November one control or
flight security control or the officers there at November one. I don't I don't
remember communicating with him. So I said, are you going to get that,
thinking he'd snap out of it at any given time, which he didn't
do. And I reached out, and again I don't know if the truck
was running or it had to be running for that radio to activate, I
can't remember, but I grabbed the motorola handset on the dashboard and I said
November one WSC. I said, senior evermon Woods. I said, he
goes, what's your location? And I said, Sir, I don't know.
He said do you need medical help? And I said, I'm not
sure, but my partner will not. He won't. I can't get him
to speak to me. A long pause took place, and he said,
we want you to do one minute security checks aermon Woods and I said,
yes, sir. He goes, we're trying to reangulate your location. I
said, yes, sir. So I started doing one minute security checks and
I probably did ten or fifteen of them. I mean, I might have
lost a few minutes. I'm shaking light, hell and anyway stuff this so
anyhow, I just as I was still trying to wrestle with what was going
on with him, I'm pushing him. I go around to the driver's side
and I'm kind of looking around where we are. I mean, why is
all this mud here? And what goes? Because on his side it went
down a hill or down straight down the hill into something else. And I
thought, where can where can we possibly be? You know? And I've
got the man out the radio radio radio hands hill land across the seat so
I can reach in and grab it, and I'm looking at him and testing
his greeting on to live his pulse. I check his, you know.
And I'm not a doctor. I mean, I don't even know what I've
been trained to do, you know, in technical school, you know,
the life saving measures and that kind of thing. That's all I know.
I didn't think i'd ought to use them that that quick. But anyway,
I turned and I looked to the east, trying to gather my thoughts,
and the first thing I see is this old tree that's about eight yards away
to the south of me, and it looks What got me was it looked
like an old Hayman's tree, you know that you're see in western movies.
Is the only tree in the middle of nowhere. I mean, the state
tree in South Dakota is a mall belt telephone pole. Because there's just not
that many trees. It's all, you know, plaines areas, buffalo running
areas. But there was this old tree stand in there and probably eighty yards
away. And then I just happened to look east and it's getting light outside,
and I go literally, I said to myself, what the hell?
And I looked at my watch, which was working fine, just the time
X watched at ten dollars watch back then, and it was after six am.
So we arrived at November five at just before one am. And now
you know here it is after six am, and I have no recollection of
anything that happened from one am to six am other than what I just described
to you. And so I'm trying to gather my thoughts and get this and
I see lights coming over the horizon, over this hill and down these dirt
roads where we're located, and I still don't know where we are. I've
never been there before, so I believe it was a sergeant Garza. I
think it was a sergeant guards and I can't remember, but I tried,
I tried my best, and he stopped the truck. He stopped his vehicle.
I get about twenty yards away from us. Now, mind you only
did I know this then there were no tracks from our vehicle getting in there.
Again, we only had a two will drive vehicle, and the places
in which we were sitting there was nowhere to drive in forward turn a two
will drive truck around and in face the opposite direction of what I just described
to you, and I struck me really odd. I didn't know how to
explain that, and I didn't at that point. I just didn't figure out
the mud. Where where's the mud coming from? So the ground had to
be melted down or the ice melted down below our trub. And I said
about about a twenty yard radius or noah, twenty foot radius, not twenty
yards. So that quickly evacuated from my mind once I thought of it.
But as he approached me, I said, I said, hey, s
Sergeant Garza. I said, okay, but first I need some help with
Michael Johnson. And he just looked at me, and I said, come
over here, I'll show you what I mean. And I took him over
there and he was just still frozen to this stair wheel, not speaking,
but he was blinking his eyes, he was he was breathing everything that a
person would normally do. There was just nothing coming out of him. There
was no emotion, there was no sound, there was just no reaction.
And I said, I said, look, I pushed on him, I've
shoved on him. I've done everything I can do. I've yelled at him.
I said, short of just punching the hell out of I don't know
what we can do, you know, And I just unbuilt it him,
you know. We just had lap belt and we slid him over to the
pastner's seat and then I got into driver's seat and I followed them No.
Number one and that was three backup. Three alert teams came looking for So
that's six security policemen. So of course they broke off once we got November
one and in the main in our gate, and we had people waiting on
us. A flag chief was there, s Master sartin grade and a system
black chief Robert Hawkins, and of course the two officers that were on duty
were now off duty. They got off at six am. Of course they
had a great amount of questions. Then you had the the facility manager.
He had his own questions and he was looking at our vehicle and all that
stuff, and I had to have help. Well, they just they just
ascended upon a vehicle in the parking lot and said, hey, Mario,
what's going on? Because they all knew me. We all played ping pong
together and they knew me. I've been out there for some time anyhow,
So I told him, I said, I don't know what's going on,
Michael Johnson, but I can't get him to speak. I can't get him
to react to anything. I said, I need some help with him.
So they literally went to the passenger's side of the vehicle, opened the door
and they were talking to him. You know, he wasn't speaking back.
He was just I don't know what. I don't know how to say.
He just couldn't speak. He was frozen. His legs moved when they got
him out and got under his shoulders to lift him and take him into the
building, and they took him to the back room. I know they got
some fluids and stuff and they took that back there. Of course, I
was separated from him immediately. The assistant flight she went to the back with
one of the officers and the site manager, and I don't know what the
psyche cook was doing, you know, not that he would be in any
part of this, but he was getting stuff ready for whatever he had to
do. But I went into the day room and just sat down and I
literally just had to gather myself and where I was. I felt as if
I wasn't displaced, And I don't know how to describe the word displaced,
but I felt as if I wasn't supposed to be there or something. And
it was really really different to to have that feeling. But I answered any
and all questions that the one captain had for me, and then the other
officer came up. Of course, my flag chief was there and they had
me. You know, they were asking me everything. Now, they didn't
ask me to write anything, and even the flights of Security control of Bill
Holliman, he asked them questions, he said he I remember him saying,
was that what you saw? And I said, yeah, that was what
I saw last night. I said, Michael Johnson saw it, and and
I think I think it bothered He didn't come out there and look at it,
but or see it. But anyway, he did ask that question.
And I answered questions as much as I could to the best of my ability,
and they kept asking. You know that one captain asked me, you
guys, you know, are you guys doing drugs? I said, are
you crazy? No? You know, I mean that's why I threw up
that Outstanding Performance award right there. You know you don't do drugs, and
get that, you know you don't. You just don't do that. And
I don't know I just try to be a real good soldier all my life
and the function that I was put into or I volunteered for, and I
wanted to make an example or set the example. And that's what I always
try to do where whatever base I was in, whatever squad and I belonged
to. So anyway, after answering questions for as long as I did,
I told the flight chief, I said, I need to go to the
restaroom. You know, I said, if I couldn't get away from them,
I mean, I was just they were just on top of me,
like like I take on a bear, you know. I just I couldn't.
I couldn't get away from them. So I said, I need to
go to the restroom. So I went in there, and I'm in my
fatigue still, I've got long dawns on. I'm uncomfortable. I didn't have
my parking stuff. I don't taken I'd taken all that stuff all. And
I went into stall the number two, which is still there today. And
you know, of all the places in that facility that I remember or was,
you know, and there I remember this in that room, the absolute
most of any thought that I have. I went and I sat down on
top of the toilet. There's just you know stallars two stalls. There are
two yurinals and two sinks and two showers. And I just sat there and
all of a sudden, I got this massive ringing in my ears that I
have today that it's not like it was, but I have it today and
it always gets my attention. I don't know if it's for from you know,
weapons reports or what have you, But anyway, all of a sudden,
everything turned pea green around me, as as if something was affecting my
vision in my hearing. And I had the sensation, and I'm going to
call it a sensation that I was leaving my body. I was going through
my body downward and I was going to exit out of my feet. I
knew, I knew there was Honestly, I swear god, I knew it
was a clear channel for me to do that. In my mind and in
my body. I said, I know, I'm going to leave my body
through my feet. Where does the thought like that even come from? And
I literally got I got down somewhere into my chest area literally as as I
can't even describe it to you, I just know where I was and how
I felt and it was a natural, as as the sunrises every day.
And for some reason I cracked my eyes open, and when I did,
underneath that stall door, I see four furry feet of a US Air Force
German Schreker police dog drug dog down below that that stall door, and all
of a sudden, I just went and I can't and I was back and
I said wow. I mean I didn't know how what else to said.
I said wow, like, oh my god, and the dog handler security
policeman said hey, Mario, are you okay? And I said, yeah,
man, And he knew me from somewhere another playing ping pong or tennis.
I don't know, because I've been an avid sentence player, you know,
for a minute, very long time. But he said, are you
okay? And I said, I'm really not sure. He said, I
just came to check on you. And you know, I knew he's there
to search my stuff, as he would be Michael Johnson's a vehicle and everything.
We had, excuse me, they had to eliminate that first. So
sure enough, he said, man, I've already checked your bag. He
says, you're good, don't worry about it. He said, I just
came to check on you. I heard you weren't feeling really well or you
needed to come in here, and I said, yeah, thank you.
And when I left, when I opened up the stall, of course you
don't pet. You don't pet their dogs unless they tell you can, and
then you even do that apprehensively. And I just turned the sink all that
ice cold water, and I just blasted my face and just got silken wet.
I didn't care at that point because I never experienced anything like what I
had just experienced over the last couple of minutes. And I went back out
in the day room and all my bag and everything had been picked up and
placed in my supervisor's vehicle, and he said, we're gonna Colonel Spraker,
our squarter commander, and wants to speak with you. And I said,
yes, sir, So I knew that was coming, but I think we
had to wait because we were off duty. I think we had to wait
another forty five or minutes or an hour before another backup alert team, because
that's what we would become. We went from the primary alert team, which
but Michael Johnson had a commission. We were much of an alert team,
but we had to wait for a relief to show up on site, so
they were present, so the man count is proper. And I left with
him, and then Michael Johnson went with the assistant flight Gie, and then
the officers. Of course they remained, you know, because they're doing their
three days like we would be doing our three days. So this is really
the first. That was the second the morning, the second morning that we
would be out there. Had none of this happened, we'd have been on
bed rest and ready to go back on duty at six pm that night.
So it's about fifty five minutes to an hour back to Ellsworth. And of
course I talked, you know, but it's arn't great. Everything that I
everything that I could remember, everything that I said, I did not tell
them at any time, nor him what I saw out that window, because
being part of the personal reliability program in a nuclear configuration or stead of nuclear
material configuration or team or response personnel first responder, they would have eliminated me
from that position and taking me out of that career field, and that's what
I joined form. So I never I never disclosed that I went as far
as the vehicle and what happened and what I saw and the way Michael Johnson
was in his situation, the size of it and that kind of thing.
That we arrived at the back gate and Box Elder at Ellsworth and went straight
to the say To House building, which was a forty fourth Missile Security Squadron
command center building and they used to be be fifty two bomber buildings are hangers,
and then it was converted because they were they had to build new hangars
for the new new aircraft. And so it was a configuration of offices and
everything like that. Wing security control was there and all that. So when
I went into colonels Breaker's office, I had to report to him just like
you walk in. I hit the door and come in standard attention, salute
him the whole nine yards everything. And there were five people in the room,
and of course one of them was my flight chief, and then later
the system flight chief came. But when it was tall man in a suit.
Still don't know who that person was to this day, and I think
he was local, maybe local law enforcement, could have been, you know,
have been federal. I don't know. I wasn't told and I didn't
ask. And then there was osi office, a special investigation. There was
a he was a Captain Jack read, which I just found that out about
two months ago, and a young airman by the name of Richard Dody,
and Richard Dodi has been on a bunch of programs and I've been trying to
make contact with him because it was really funny the first time I ever saw
ancient aliens, and I see this guy pop up, Richard Dody, and
I gonna wait, I know that guy. He was there today of my
debrief. So I've been trying to contact him every since. It took about
four years maybe five, to where he just emailed me. Through another podcast.
I got in touch with him and as their friends, and he sure
enough emailed me and remembered the incident, so I've got that email also.
But anyway, so Colonel Spreaker he questioned me heavily, and then Captain Jack
he had some paperwork with him, and they were all within five feet of
me. And I'm standard at attention, then at ease, not allowed to
sit down yet, and I'm answering questions of the best of my ability.
I'm really I'm honestly, I'm feeling kind of weak. And I think I
even said that. I said, I asked, I asked the Colonels and
can I sit down or I said, I'm not I'm not feeling one hundred
percent Colonels breaker and he, oh, yes. It was like a surprise
to him at that point, he said, they allowed me to sit down.
And so they asked questions the same way we did at the lung control
facility, and my certain grade. He spoke up a couple of times speaking
to Colonel Spreaker. Oh, and the other guy there was either the assistant
base commander. He wasn't the base commander, but I believe he was the
assistant or maybe one of the assistants to an assistant. I don't know,
but he was there too. And so after about one and a half almost
two hours of answering their questions, and mind you now it's going on,
what one o'clock in the afternoon, so I've been up all night when I
went through all that that morning, travel back there to Ellsworth, to the
say, to that building, and then still going through questioning. I kept
asking, you know, what what's going on with Michael Johnson. I was
told about to worry and don't worry about him, don't worry about He's fine,
don't worry about him. So when they ran out of questions for the
time being, Curls Breaker said, we're going to send you over to the
flight surgeon's office. They want to they want to take a look at you.
And I said, yes, sir, and I didn't really give it
a second thought. And you know, I said, Okay, I guess
I'll do a blood test or you know, you just I'm thinking ahead without
any justification at all. Excuse me. And so they escort me and put
me into the in currentl s Breaker's vehicle. The driver takes me over to
the hospital and OSI goes also, and those the man with the suit.
I still don't know who he is. I couldn't get close to note to
him and ask him. I don't know if I had been breaking up to
ask him at that particular time. Because you're made to feel you've done something
wrong, and you know the worst is about to come at you, whatever
that is, because you didn't fulfill your duty. And the duty we didn't
do was we didn't do the strike procedure of November five, which I was
supposed to carry out in the investigation as to what caused those alarms to go
off. We never did that, and that's that's serious. They didn't have
an answer as to why those alarms went off, so I'm sure somebody had
to go out and do that at a later time. But now I'm over
in the flight surgeon's office, and the flight surgein's office is set up to
where you have these gray partition walls that about five feet and then on top
of them was a smoky looking glass. It's around you and yet entrance points
and exit points, and you know, just comparing that to what it is,
what a hospital is today, it's these things were this kind of clinic
was or inspectionary was really different. You know, it's just quick in and
out kind of thing. I guess. So these two doctors, two flank
surgeons, I don't know who was the original or who was a backup or
who was what in a nurse and then the OSI guys they stood direct just
outside the little partition area where the entrance was. So Richard Dodie was out
there, and Captain Reeve was out there, and then this other fellow was
out there, and both the doctors they didn't have name tags or anything on
on on his white you know, roads weren't even gonna call them and taking
a look at me, and they were they you know, picked up my
arms and they were looking at my arms and the back of my hand and
everything. And that went on for a few minutes. Did all my ears,
eyes, throat inspection, you know, moved my tongue and all that
kind of stuff. And they would turn and they would say something to each
other, but they wouldn't. It wouldn't be a real lout. I was
trying to hear. I'd say, excuse me, you know what, And
I see him put on a glove and I just said, oh, no,
man, you know you're see a doctor put on the glove. You
know it was a guy. He really didn't, you know what I mean,
right, But it wasn't that at all, Thank God. He goes,
I need I need. He said, I'm gonna I need to look
in your mouth. And I went, what I need to look in your
mouth? So I opened my mouth and he's got his bin a glove on
and this guy does the strangest thing. He went all through my gums,
pressing on my gums top and bottom up in the roof of my mouth,
under my tongue down there where you're salivating, that kind of stuff under my
tongue and he's pressing really hard and I'm like, going it bothered me and
I was like, wow, man, you know that's almost asn't true.
That's the other thing with the glove, you know what I mean. And
finally he stopped and I went wow, and the others like Curton says.
He says, everhba, Woodsie, because we need to take a couple of
skin samples from you. And totally, you know, everything was just coming
at me in a surprise mode. I was like what and he goes,
well, you're burned, and totally out of totally out of my realm,
I thought at the time, I go burn and he goes, yes,
he said, son, you're burned, and I said okay, And he
gets right here on the side of my face, on the upper right eye,
right right here, I'll take my glasses all right there. My face
was burned because my beoret was on my head and my beret went down just
like this, and we just underneath that shadow area. I was burned there.
And on the back of this right hand as the hand I did not
have a glove on. So he took two skins samples off the back of
this hand, like on top of this knuckle and right here between this index
finger and knuckling. And then they took one skin sample from right up here,
just clipped it off, and they had two different vials. And what
he clipped off, you know, he put in the tool and the skin
sample went into this small little while and it was capped either capture, it
was plug at the upper court. I don't remember, but I was.
It was on a little stainless steel trade and I thought, that's so weirdest
thing, you know, this a skin sample out of the blue from the
missile field. And I thought at the time, I didn't feel a burn.
But the next later on that day, when I took a shower,
I did, you know, Because I mean I was from Tampa, Florida,
and by god, you get burned down there, you know, your
sunburned. And so it had been a while since I'd been to Tampa and
been sunburned, but I definitely knew the feelings of sunburn, and sure enough
it was earned in him, you know, And it was like back here
in the back part of my wrist here also, So I had to explain
that later because they put those they put those really small little band aids on
me and that I had. Once I was all done and I was able
to get dressed again, and they checked over here on my knees, they
checked my legs, you know, but and I was glad it's all they
did. And that lasted for a probably an hour and twenty minutes, maybe
our thirty minutes. And then I got dressed, yesterdam because the things in
which they did, they took moments to talk about it or to do something
with it between themselves, I don't really know. And so then I was
allowed to get dressed, and then I was back into Commander's vehicle, driven
back over to the Saint Tap building where I went back in to see Colonel
Spreaker again. And I never got offered a water or anything or anything like
that, you know. Any if I saw I was dying a thirst,
and if I didn't even see a water fountain, man, it was terrible.
But so I'll go back in there and the same thing, knock on
the door to port back into him, go back in their standard attention.
I mean, it was right to the letter, you know, in every
way, because again I just felt as if, okay, I'm in trouble
here, I'm in trouble, and you should not be made to feel that
way because I wasn't dealing one. Stuff that happened too in the missile field,
not just at Ellsworth. It might not if he warned or Malstrom.
I wasn't the only one. So I just want that known. But so
I was in there for another hour or so, and he went back over
the entire the entire incident, everything that I told him, and he hands
me a skill craft pen. And I don't know if you know the magic
of a skill craft pen, but that US government official pen can calibrate your
M sixteen, can change your sight setting, and can dislodge round can he
can help you take down your M sixteen to remove all pins in it.
And believe me, every soldier's got a damp skill craft pen to write a
letter home somewhere hidden own his body. But so he gave me that,
and he gave me a report form, which I thought was a one thousand,
but it's not. Robert Haysing's helped me decide that one day I could
remember the report form because I wasn't allowed to keep anything, you know,
and it's it's hard to bring everything back from you know, forty five years
ago in a in a you know, in a chronological order, and I'm
just doing the best that I can do, you know, and it's it's
as fresh today as it was then, and I just have to keep it
that way because people have to know. But he puts me in a room
off the side of his office. I guess it was a small briefing room
with oak chairs and an oak desk but a skill craft pen, and gives
me two or three of these forms. And these forms are three pages,
their carbon copies, and that's about how much it took me. Well,
but it took me all three pages to write what I just have told you
on this show to me, you know. And I print very well,
and I print small, but I got it all in there. And of
course I signed that and the whole dated in the whole nine yards and I
was not given a copy of it at all, nor was I given a
copy of the medical records. And I need to pull my medical records again
to see if there's anything on there. But once I finished that back into
his office, I go standing at attention. Then then Captain Jack Reid steps
up to the desk side Colonel's breaker and he hands in his paperwork, and
the paperwork is a nondisclosure agreement that as long as I am working in this
the sensitive or nuclear weapons field and have a secret intact clearance in this job,
that I cannot disclose, discuss, or release any of this information to
anybody and anyone And then would you know at any time as long as I
have a federal clearance where I'm working in the nuclear type in the industry,
I don't know if they use that word industry, but in then he said
in the nuclear field, so I would say industry too. That in that
time US Department of Energy was was the Atomic Energy Commission of not mistaken,
but I knew of them because we transported. So I agreed to it,
and I signed it and didn't disclose anything. Then I was allowed to call
home and arrange or my wife had to come get me, and of course
she had questions, you know, about what was over my eye and my
hand. And while I was back so soon instead of being gone three days
at a time, you know, I really couldn't discuss that, and I
didn't, and but I honestly I started um immediately having the absolute worst cataclysmic
apocalyptic dreams that I can't even describe to you, with earthquakes, with atomic
blast, with the sun blasting us, tidal waves, just things that it
is just totally off the chain, you know, without anything at all.
But I've seen anything like that at all. Just these dreams that just wake
me up. And I had had an additional out of body experience where I
left my body in a dream and I got to the ceiling and I looked
down and there's a thread connecting me to my body, and my wife is
laying there and my cats downstairs on the couch. And then I realized where
I was, and I took a deep breath, and I woke up set
up in the bed. I what the hell was that? But it's hard
for the human mind. I wrap itself around a lot of things that can
happen, and a lot of things that out there we don't really know exist
or or what the function is, you know, but there we've been here
for such a short period of time on this planet. We really don't know
all of its secrets or even close to its secrets yet. Um I kind
of wanted to to say that. I guess it was about two weeks eighteen
days. I was literally thinking about Michael Johnson one day and we were living
apartments called Hainesway Apartments at the time, upon the second floor and the third
floor. I care second floor and small apartment, you know, in Rapid
City, and still there today. I can't believe it. All of a
sudden had a knock at my door and Michael Johnson was standing there. And
he's a real nice looking, real light skinned black guy. He was from
Chicago, is what he told me. And he talked to me more that
day than he ever spoke to me the entire time in which I met him
that day that night, and that's that's how I got to know where he
was from, and just from the home of address in Chicago, and he
wrote all that down for me. But we sat down and we tasted.
I got to talk to you about this. He goes and he lived in
the barracks, and he spoke to somebody knowing that I lived downtown, that
I was married at the dime and wherever I lived. So I put him
on the couch or the dining room table, I can't remember which now,
but gave him some paper and something to draw with, and he drew the
same type of craft that I Drew Drew the site described what he felt,
and I really didn't say anything until he said, I ken't hearing in me,
do not fear so he heard that. He heard that also it wasn't
just me, he heard it as well. But the most perplexing part of
the whole conversation, which he stayed pubbly an hour and a half maybe two
hours. I think he was uncomfortable talking about him, as I was too,
and of course she had never heard about it it is before. But
he said, I remember, I remember your glove on a shiny floor.
And I immediately I said, I said, what in my glove? He's
talking about my mittens? And I said, you talking about my mittens.
He goes, yeah, is our armor your glove on his shiny floor?
I said, I said, Michael, I said, Evelyn fifty four has
black rubber floor mats, most and usually dirty. You know, I mean
from getting in and out you know what we do. He goes, no,
he goes, I remember that glove on a real bright, shiny floor.
So I just jumped off the couch and jumped up, and he's sitting
with that said. Just a minute, I went straight around the corner to
my bedroom and I grabbed my my ditty bag as we call them, or
a war bag, whatever you want to say. And you know it skids
got your underwear hole trees has got everything in a little radio. It's got
all kinds of stuff in it, you know. And I just unsipped it
and I just turned it over on the couch and needed to be cleaned out
anyway. Of course, she didn't ride with that, but I did.
And low and behold, man, my left hand glove was there, but
that right hand glove had gone. I never never recovered that glove. And
an Air Force B fifty two pilot gave me those gloves as my first second
night at Ellsworth when I arrived there, staying in the VIAQ barracks, you
know, awaiting my dorm assignment, you know, checking into the base when
I burst arrived there. So it really sat me down when I realized my
glove was gone. But yet the recollection of him seeing that on a shiny
floor just just blew me up. I was I was like, wow,
you know, what can you say? And so I had his information and
I kept it in my bible, the Bible of the pastor gave me when
my father passed away for years, and of course I've moved several hundred times
since then, I believe as said my que clearance. But anyway, I
don't have that information today. But we've been looking for him or really hard
for about the last five years on every platform social social media platform and you
can think of and if anybody has any idea of a man named Michael Johnson
then served in the Air Force or was any Air Force during seventy seven or
DALs with Air Force base, I'll leave you my number, my emails Mwoods
one seventy five at gmail dot com. Email me. I'll send you my
phone number from that point and I'll answer any question that you have at any
time. I just want you to know, so he let and you know
then you just I just had to continue dealing with it. And of course
I never went back to November Control. They sent me to the advantage of
the Alternati command post, which was Kilo one, and I worked with a
fellow named Mark Wade. We had the same initials and he outranked you about
two months, so I became his team member and I hated but anyway,
I do what you got to do right right, and I wouldn't but a
few months later. Well, while I did see after that time, saw
two cattle mutilations and on a rancher's farm, and it was a couple of
deputy sheriffs there and a US federal marshal that was there. And that lady
Linda Moulton, how she came out to the field. She was at Alsworth
or in Rapid City, and she was trying to find people that had witnessed
these things before, and she was talking to local veterinarians, which mot veterinarian
said that you know, he had he had investigated a couple of days and
had never seen anything quite liked it. But anyway, I worked in aren't
wait until I received an assignment just a short period time later to go to
osan air based career on a company. And the thing about that was,
you know, a remote assignment. If you volunteer for an additional year,
they usually let you take your spouse with you. But when I went to
see Colonel Spraaker, that was not allowed. He said, no, you're
going to remote, and that was the end of that matter. So I
ended up I ended up going by myself, which is really good anyway.
So I just had to deal with that, but to no avail have we
been able to locate Michael Johnson and Margert Hastings, the investigator that I'm in
his last book, Confessions and UFOs and news. Also he I heard him
on Coast to coast one night and he was just so factual and so detail
or that I just took a chance and I got to hold him directly because
he put his he put his information out there, and he said he wouldn't
want her to speak to me. And I think it was twenty sixteen,
twenty fifteen, I'm not sure. It just seems so natural to pick up
the phone and call him at any given time today that I don't even think
about that any longer, because I don't do anything like this or any any
of the networks without first running a by Robert. And that's just the way
it is, because you know, there are some unscrupulous people that do unscrupulous
things, and in this field, I hate to say it, but I'm
not one of them, and I'm not going to do anybody bad or say
anything that I haven't experienced there is not true. So we don't do it
for money, and just do it for people's knowledge, because there's something out
there and maybe more than one something. It may be under our oceans and
they under our mountains and then maybe on that moon. I don't know,
but they're here and they've been here a very very long time. Agreed.
Excuse me, I said, Agreed, I completely agree with that assessment.
I feel the same way the so. Once I was out of the Air
Force USDOE was. Prior to that, I lost my mom. We lost
our mother, and I think it was eighty two. I got back to
pre and eighty and I can't remember the exact time. My sister does.
She'll probably slapped me when she sees me next time for not remembering. But
um, I I went to work for the US Department of Energy. They
were hiring security inspectors across the entire US weapons nuclear weapons complexes, which entailed
Lost Almos or oak Ridge National Laboratories, General Electric, new Ton Devices,
where I was located for by six years, five years, six years,
I can remember. But all the facilities were hiring x law enforcement and military
and paramilitary personnel to secure these facilities because prior to that time they literally had
Keystone cops securing these sites, and they knew things were ramping up. And
getting more serious. So they hire people that had prior training and weapons knowledge
and tactical knowledge, and I happened to be one of them. So I
worked for them for a total of fourteen years and really enjoyed it. And
it was laid off at the oak Bridge facility in ninety six and then moved
to the Brunswiy, Georgia area where I now reside and worked for Georgia Pacific,
which is Brunswick Salos here in Brunswick. But the Department of Energy is
really a unique entity in the government arm You know, what they developed is
not just nuclear weapons or are recapturing things of old and they do so much
stuff for NASA and the Navy and some many different organizations. We just we
just literally can't do without him. And I've been in Los Alamo, has
been in Sandia National Labs and in training with some of the best guys in
the country out in Sandigo and Security Response Team training, and then go all
the way to SRT four, which is protection of the President, just like
everybody at the Secret Service anybody else does for that matter. And it's really,
um, it's like it's a good feeling, know when these guys are
out there because they can really do a really good job and we need that.
So, Matt, what do you have next there? Man? Now,
have you got any questions or what you'd like me? I do?
So let's let's touch on a couple of things. So I understand that the
launch facilities there are I think you spoke about this. There are an outer
perimeter alarm. Oh yeah, what is the peris of the inner perimeter alarm?
And what would that tell you? Okay, well, it's like a
three or four stage program. Really, there are security barriers within security barriers
to get to that missile, and it's virtually impossible. You couldn't you couldn't
damage it easy enough to be able to have access to that missile to start
with. And I'm sure measures have been taken today even further those endeavors.
But at that particular time, you had an above ground antenna array which could
pick up anything, you know, that was big as a fist or a
bird, you know, those little kite birds you see, you know,
walking around rocky driveways and stuff. They were our nemesis. Man. We
spent so much time and money chasing those birds off those sites, and of
course they laid nests there eggs that you can never detect or see in the
rocks. I wouldn't disturb them anyway, I said right there with him.
I I don't hunt. I just do tactical shootings all I do. But
so any and in the wintertime, of course, the whole site gets buried
with blizards type snow, and you if you want to go back and get
in a bed at a launch control facility to reset that alarm, you sometimes
have to dig those antennas out, and it could be four or five feet
of snow. It could spend quite a quite a long night out there trying
to dig them out, or you just parked the vehicle over inside the gate,
inside the fence line in a clearing and a little clearer like on the
helicopter path, and you just spend the night there until the next day until
you can see that you know, or you get relieved, or you dig
the deadgume antenna's out. Now. Additionally, there we have you know,
there's a there's an underground support building also which keeps that rocket dehumidified because they
were solid few rockets at the time, and it's underground, and that's part
of an investigative sequence that would take place in what should have been done that
night. And then secondly or thirdly, there is another area which I don't
want to get into, but it is a it's literally a plug, and
then underneath that and that's opened by a different means, and then underneath that
is another one. So it goes down, goes down, goes down.
The blast door that is protecting that rocket is a thirteen ton blast door and
it's concrete steel, and it's sitting on railroad tracks. And at the end
of that blast door there's a great big or at the end of the rail
system, which is quite short really, maybe only twenty feet or so,
I can't remember, but there's a really large steel plate. And what the
in hopes that did was when that door was blown off immediately through conventional explosions
explosives, that the door would be tripped upward and backward, and so that
would allow the missile to fly freely and instantaneous. I mean, solid fuel
rocket is no warm up. There's you know, no nitrine lines fed to
it. It just it just goes like a like a bullet out of a
gun, you know. But you know, some other things that I wanted
to discuss was that a lot of times, you know, as other officers,
launch control officers talk about their missiles going offline and offline and not having
any control of them. Sometimes they don't go offline and they still don't have
control over them, but it would initiate a launch sequence. This happened several
times that I responded to, and I knew what happened more across the field
than it's ever talked about. But in essence, a literal countdown would start.
Wow for the rocket itself. Yeah, and so you know, remind
you each launch control facility had was responsible for ten missiles, but we only
had two responsive vehicles, one for the backup a thirteen that are off duty,
and one for the primary when we were on duty. So if these
things activated that way, so you'd get a quick call from the launch officers
and say go to whatever site November ten, for instance, When you get
there, open the gate, drive your vehicle on top of that blast door,
put it in neutral in the direction of the cattle trail of the railing
system on the blast door, put it in neutral, and get off the
site and set up a one mile entry control point or ECP. And you
know you shake your head and you go, what, I've never been told
such a thing. But what that was in hopes of doing that if it
did launch, which it never did, would be to the door, would
literally blast out from underneath the vehicle, and the vehicle in neutral it would
just roll down on top of that rocket and hopefully destroy the gyro or the
guidance system and just cause it to shoot out of the ground and crash somewhere
real close by. That was the only measure that I knew of that or
I was told that would work. So we did that a couple of times,
not just in November, but other sides like maybe down an Echo or
Oscar area or maybe even Kilo area. But I know I did it two
or three times. But you were you were aware of other security forces that
had to execute the same procedure. Oh yeah, absolutely was. That was
an soop. Yeah, it wasn't written down, but that was an soop
between all of us and say, well, we'll tried to launch today,
you know. Wow. And when this was brought up that these missiles were
an Accountdownlode was part of the information disseminated to you that there was some kind
of UAP or UFO interference or they just kind of set up We don't know
why this is in countdownlode just go sit on top of the rocket. Just
didn't know why. And I never saw anything. I never saw anything that
would have caused it at that particular time, you know, when we were
sent out there, and that would have been like after the fact anyway,
if something had done it. They just wanted to observe what was going on.
They didn't have to do it at thirty feet in air. That they
could do it from probably miles in the sky, you know, and sorry
going to have there's a bit of delay. Oh, I think honestly that
you know, they don't have to or whoever they is, they don't have
to sit thirty or forty feet in the atmosphere to watch who shows up,
you know, in response to a particular alarm. I literally think that they
have knowledge where they see every single thing that's underground wired directly over many many
miles back to that launch control facility. Additionally, there's other measures and means
to launch those missiles, not just from that launch control facility. They could
be you know, it could be launched up from other entities. As put
it that way going back to the intrusion alarm. So so from what I
understand, the exterior and perimeter alarms US could be set off, you know,
as you were talking about, by birds or anything like that, and
was somewhat of a common occurrence. How often were how often were the inner
ones triggered? Not very often and usually not both in conjunction with one another.
You'd have one or the other, but very rarely would you have both
at the same time. And that and this alarm would indicate that someone was
walking around inside the site. Wow, something penetrated outer and then enter.
Just I don't know what the time frame from one activation to the other.
Could have been a minute, could have been three minutes, could have been
thirty seconds. You did I was We were never told that. We were
just told of the situation. And of course that followed a different set of
steps in order to accomplish what you know, the investigative measure would be up
to and including the use of deadly force. That just sends chills down my
spine thinking about that. When when you when you were going for the deep,
when you were going in to be debriefed and in a FOSI had a
FOSI agents there, and I think you said Richard Dodi was there as well.
Did any of this seem to surprise them? Was this sort of a
shock they'd never heard anything like that before. Did you ever get any sort
of impression as to whether this was surprising or or something that had happened before.
They really shielded those thoughts. Are those energies away from me in a
way in which I was just I feel as if they tried to just discredit
me, just say no, that can't happen, that that couldn't have happened.
You know, nothing that big could fly. And when I told Colonel's
breaker, I said, yeah things, I said that object was larger than
his, say, tad building. Man, you know, he just looked
at me like I was batshit crazy, It really did. I mean,
they had little grins on their face like, yeah, this guy's just letting
it all go here, you know, oh man? That yeah? I
mean, really don't know if you've got a career left or not. And
had I said that I saw those four being three small and one tall,
being outside of that window before I passed out, I wouldn't probab wouldn't be
here right now. I don't know where i'd be, But we still can't
find Michael Johnson anywhere, and it really bothers me that we can, because
now you can find literally anybody today, you know. I mean, is
he in a hospital as he passed on, or he's got to be a
family member, he had to have children. Sometimes he wasn't married at the
time, he was a single guy. Any grandparents still living. I mean,
I know my age, and he's got to be around the same age
or maybe a little bit older, you know. I don't know, but
it would really be nice to talk to him because the only really substantiation that
I have is is Michael john is Richard Dody sending me out an email.
I mean, he really verified, you know what, that he was there
and his job. He told me in the email, I could get it
up here for you, that he was tasked with going back to the flight
surgeon's office and obtaining our medical records from myself and the other security policeman whom
he did not name. He said he didn't remember much about it because he
was he was studying sack communications or something. I don't know, but anyway,
that's what he told me, and I've got it an email, so
that and some military records and so forth that I have. I mean,
that's that's all I can do. I don't even have I don't have any
pictures. I went through a divorce and I guess all that was thrown away.
I really don't know personal pictures anything. It's just so the Air Force
Office of Special Investigations AFOSI, they confiscated your medical records. Uh they yeah,
they had him. They know what I have today doesn't really doesn't pertain
to what I just told you at all. Okay, Okay, now I
understand you eventually went through hypnosis to recall what happened during this missing time.
UH tell us about that. Uh, Doctor Upton UH did that the first
time, and Robert Hastings helped me with that a great deal, and U
refer him to me and he came to my home here in Brunswick and it
lasted for a little over I guess almost two hours, and he took a
DVD of it, and uh, I know I was examined. I had
quite a bit of pain associated with it, especially in my left wrist.
I had eye contact with the tall one which scared me literally to death,
and it put me in a fib I didn't know it at the time because
I've never had any heart trouble before. And I was put in some type
of a of a gel stuff, don't I don't know if it was like
a I don't know what it was, but it was some kind of gel
that I was submerged in. I was breathing some kind of a fluid for
a short period of time, and I heard whispers within me, not around
me, but within me. It was something placed right here on the back
of my on the back of my head or the back of my neck and
ear that I never saw. But I thought it was a crabs. You
thought it was a sorry, I thought it was a crab or something.
I don't know what it was, but it wasn't my heir. And it
would vibrate and it changed temperatures now And that was in my second hypnosis with
a Van Smith from zero just recently. But Michael Johnson was there with me,
even though I couldn't see him. I kept asking about him, and
I was told not to worry about him in this internal voice or however you
want to say it. The tall one was very menacing and had me by
the lower part of my right arm and elbow and was doing something to my
right wrist in which I have I don't know if I had problems in my
right wrist today from anything, but I don't know. I have pain associated
with that, and in that in that hypnosis session, I went through great
pain with that, like down in the middle part of my arm. I
don't know what that represents or does. I was placed somewhere literally by myself,
and I've never had a fear of being alone, but I did then.
I don't know the entire duration of the whole process of what they did
and what they did at that time. The the feeling of being completely in
blackness and alone is not something that I wish on anybody, and I don't
know. I don't like thinking about it. I can't stand any type of
small digital light or any kind of light to be in my room or anywhere
I sleep. I have to I have to sleep in darkness. I don't
know why that is, but any kind of light being emitted from another room
or from a small device or a charger for instance, that really just eats
me up. And I literally can't close my eyes from that. I don't
know why, but it just happens. Full moons can't sleep, and I
don't know what all was done, and that first did no secession, but
I probably felt the most fear for my life in existence without without being dead
that I can even relate to anybody. I never experienced anything like that,
and I hope I never do again. And that was forty something years later,
that that's the first time I've ever done that, and I had thought
about it before, but you know, you kind of I'd only told one
other psychologist about it a long time ago, and that was in that was
in Tennessee when I was there. But that was some problems there and had
to be really careful because no matter what I felt, I could never I
could never disclose anything about that the whole incident. You know, while I
had a Q clearance with the US Department of Energy, and about every couple
of years they would do a reinvestigation. They called them randoms, and it
was just really strange how they just kept hitting me. They hit me about
three times. And in my in my time at the USDA League and always
hinted around this subject matter in some way that I witnessed something that transpired,
you know, while in the Air Force that was of importance that that that
I need to discuss or related them. And I used to always say no,
no, more than anybody else. And it had to be really careful
how you worded things because it was never just one investigator. There was always
the area office security officer, and then they had to you know, then
they would bring in like other people from the Office of Personnel Management, like
they may have been from DC or from oak Ridge area, because oak Ridge
is like a central I don't know, like a central hub of direct communication
with DC. I'm not sure, but that happened a few times. And
my original my first clearance took over eight months to obtain. Now, I
did have a lot of addresses, but I never had any criminal activity of
any kind duct that I've never been arrested or anything like that. And it
just seemed I was more questioned about my time at Ellsworth and my security police
duties and functions than anything else that they had to ask me about. I
mean, they didn't ask me, you know, about a lot of things
that I don't know. It just really really struck me strange that you know,
that was kind of, I don't know, gleaned out of everything that
I had already had and written down. I just never would discuss that.
And again, had I said, you know, well I saw some beings
then that Q clearance would have been gone and I would never obtained my job.
And you know, and I supported my family from that. And you
know, I volunteered for all kinds of different things, and Los Alamos is
one of them. I wanted to advanced Nuclear Research Facility for a while and
I really enjoyed that. It was a heck of a learning experience and trained
as India and with a lot of my buddies. So I still have contact
with today, best friends in the world. I can call them for anything
and they know of this. Also. They didn't know of it then,
but they knew of it now. I've only told one guy and he's since
and Martial Arts and Carl Adams, and I spoke to him at length when
I was when we were working together at Neutron Devices in Largo, Florida,
and he remembered exactly when I told him, so he was really the only
person I ever discussed with. And I didn't even tell my wife until after
I had lost my job at an Oak Ridge. I went out. I
got laid off at about ten thousand people in ninety six when they de escalated
some of the weapons grade materials and sent it out to lost Alimos because of
the population around the facilities. And that's usually what happened. That's what happened
in neutron devices in Largo, Florida. You know, the population became so
great that they couldn't risk the exodus of any kind of of a claquston alarm,
gas from uranium or plutonium production, or machining or building, or a
criticality of a given substance or material, so that they start de escalating at
and sending those things and those processes to different sites that you know, have
less of a population, like on the plateau of Los Alamos, you don't
have any people. I mean, I think there's more people in Los Alamos
now the PhDs and anywhere else in the country. And at one time that
was Overkridge during the Manhattan Project. So it's really a unique field to be
in, and I'm just glad I got to be part of it for as
long as I did. I really enjoyed it. Learned a lot of things.
I'm curious jumping back to your to your to the hypnosis session and I'm
going to ask a couple more questions and then and then we're gonna get into
some listener questions. What was it about that tall being that was so terrifying
to you compared to the others. I think it was a difference in facial
structure, for one, the height, the the awareness maybe that's not the
right word, the height, the size, and the expressionless gaze not at
me but through me. I mean, I feeled there was not one cell
in my body could I hide a thought or anything from this from this being.
Nothing. There was nothing that he couldn't do that I could prevent.
And I because I was completely vulnerable in every way, I didn't know if
I was coming back. I mean, I had no idea where I was.
I had, I had no idea, and you know, I wonder,
you know, as it happened to people before and they didn't come back,
and yeah, yeah, so yeah, just the feeling, just the
menacing effect that something like that has is words really can't describe it. It's
overwhelming, I mean, and it's not it's not standing out there that part.
That thing was not standing out there watching me. It was coming toward
me. And there was nothing that I could do. And this table that
I was on was not a table like with this computer is sitting on right
now. It was a table that existed like with a blue kind of gas
or an environment or like around me that I wasn't. I wasn't in the
same atmosphere as they were. I was in something. I was inside of
this, of this blue little cloud deal. The length of my body.
I was just you know, arms on my side to the to my knowledge,
arms to my side. But I was in. I was inside of
this like a like a little fog cloud or some of some kind. I
don't know if that was protectionary measures. I don't know what that was,
but I just know that I was in something and something that I had to
be in that They didn't suck a dry but it's hard to describe, right.
It wasn't a cylinder, It wasn't anything hard. It was like it
was like a gaseous atmosphere. But can find around you, okay. And
they could do anything they wanted, you know. I mean he grabbed mine
when he got my arm. I don't know if my arm was in that.
It may have been out into where he was because he had a arm
elbow on this whatever was stopping it in my hand up and my wrist bent
backwards like this, and I felt pain down into this part of my arm.
Did you feel any sort of compassion or emotion from these things? No,
I did not. It was the tall one that was doing the majority
of what they were doing, um was was very harsh and rough. There
was nothing kind about any of it. The smaller ones were different. They
they they were different. They you know, I know I felt a hand
on my shoulder from this from this direction, fingers pointing down and you know.
And these were smaller beings, but their hands were extremely long. I
don't know if they had three fingers or four fingers, I don't know,
but their hands were long. And I know that a hand was on my
shoulder. I don't know if it was to reassure me or to tell me
again to not to fear, we're not going to hurt you. But that
big one was hurting me. And I said that, And I kept asking
about Michael Johnson, and I was told not to worry about Michael Johnson.
Everybody kept telling me, and they're worried about Michael Johnson. Ken what you
were what you were hearing? Do you did any of this come from the
taller being or was it all? Did you feel all from the all from
to my to my recollection from the small ones? Okay, the tall one
never made any kind of any kind of sound or anything that I could recollect.
I guess because of the amount of fear I had. I'm not sure.
I don't really know, but I just know I felt as if everything
was coming from this direction behind me. It could have been that the device
that was underneath my ear, and I don't know where who was where it
was coming from, but it was there. What I could see, though,
the walls and the floors were active in some way. Um, I
don't even know if you'd call them walls, but I did. In the
second hypnosis, I saw some type of glyphs, or some types of some
types of strange looking glyphs, and I've tried to draw a couple of them,
but I'm not a very good artist. And but I continue, you
know, I questioned myself sometimes tall okay, this is when I saw always.
I don't know what I saw, you know, And I don't know
how else to go along with that. How I was to describe that?
Do you recall how it smelled. It's a question not people ask Yeah,
I like iodine, iodine or shrimp. Wow, okay, And I associated
that right up, right up. One of the first things. I'm glad
you asked me that because that one of the first things that that I smelled
was I used to We used to fish in the Gulf of Mexico as a
boy with my dad all the time. A lot of times we used we
used shrimp for bait, and the shrimp in the Gulf of Mexico always had
a high iodine smell to them. I don't know why that is, because
because the Atlantic shrimp don't use the best shrimp on the planet right here.
And but I immediately was overcome with that s I hadne not only in my
vehicle, but in wherever I was being looked at. So nothing like ammonia
or anything like that, that's what it would be, or ammonia, that's
what it would be, That's what it smells like. Yeah, So I
was listening to your story, I wouldn't I can't even fathom um what you've
gone through, and especially um emotionally and the pressure of not being able to
speak about this for so long. This had to have really affected your life.
What does that feel like? Oh, well, it's it's a It's
just it's something that you just have either deal with it or you don't.
And I know Michael Johnson's somewhere and he's had to deal with it. And
Terry Lovelace is a good friend of mine, and he was in the Air
Force at the time of his happening or his incident, and his partner was
a Black fellow also, and in medical in his examination, they gave them
medications. Terry didn't take them, but his partner did, and he later
drank himself to death. He couldn't deal with it. He couldn't deal with
it. And that's a shame because the Air Force or any other entity of
the government, they sire, don't come out of you and say, hey,
how you doing. They want you to just go literally away. They
don't. They don't want you to talk about it. You know when when
a blue book in sixty nine? Is that right? I think that somewhere
in there sixty nine seventy so you really think honestly that they gave up investigations
in sixty nine, and you know of these occurrences that took place all over
the plan and not just in the United States, but you know in Russia,
Coupost and yard in Europe. I mean, all these different places.
Do you think that they're not really studying this because what's the end game here?
Technology? Right? Correct? Trying technology weaponry, because everything's going to
be weaponized, no matter what. I don't care what it is, it's
any gravitic, whatever it may be, it's going to it's going to be
weaponized to be better than the other guy, you know. And I think
that I think that just those things alone, the services are the forces that
being now this aerooffice. They will never disclose anything to the general populace of
this world of us, in the United States or anybody because of that very
thing. They're protected acting that technology that they've got already, and they're not
about to give that up to anybody. I mean, if you've got four
races in your hand, you're sure you don't you sure don't trade them in
for two twos or something or whatever in in cards, I guess, And
we're gonna it's very difficult to live with, Matt, and I just have
to do it, you know. I mean, of course people I work
with, they ask me questions and I don't hold anything back. Even my
father in law's a Georgia Tech graduate. And you know, this guy is
super smart, super intelligent, intelligent. You ask him, you know,
hey, what do you think about aliens? You know, Well, he's
immediately talking about the southern border, and I said, no, no,
no, no, not those guys I'm talking about out there. And he
was a navy man, you know, and he looks at me like I
have lost my ever loving mind. But I think through a couple of discussions
that he's kind of saying, well, you know, there could be something
out there. I mean, yeah, there is, you know. And
and again I never discussed that with him. I never told a woman i'm
married to until nineteen ninety six, still after a lot doe and uh,
you know what had happened to me and how it happened and what I did.
So either accept it or you don't. People I work with, you
know, they ask me questions. I answer them at the heartbeat. People
email me answer them as fast as I can because it's important. I have
nothing to hide and I have nothing to gain. If you want to,
if you want to hear of an instance that happened personally to me, and
you know, Michael Johnson, please get ahead and get in touch with me,
or better yet, or get little Robert Hastings. I mean, any
of us, you know, and I know all these guys in this in
this research. You know, that's one thing about it. You know,
this kind of incident has got some curious people looking at it that are you
know, that are up in this UFO world. You know, I talked
to people in Paris and Germany and the Netherlands, and you know, whatever
questions they have, they can ask and I don't I don't care what they
are. Mario, do you ever look back and regret flashing the lights and
maybe how your life would have would would have been different had you not done
that. M I guess that's just the curious George in me that I just
had to do that. And I used the sequence that you know, my
father had shown me years and years ago, and something that I knew of.
And you know, honestly, when I left that site that night and
I got to Highway seventy nine and I saw that thing strobing like it was
doing, I felt almost as an embassad that are for a few minutes.
How can you say I really did you know. I mean, because somebody's
gonna do it one day unless there's already an ambassador we don't know of right,
that's Eis an hour or somebody met with him. I mean, really
I did, what if I could? Honestly? Why was I so afraid
to get out of that vehicle? Why didn't I just open that door and
just you know, and just leave my weapon there and walk out twenty or
sixty feet at that front gate. I didn't even have to go that far
to be directly underneath it. It was that large, Open that fourteen foot
gate up, walk on that side and stand directly underneath it and look at
it. Why didn't I do that? Fear? I guess, bear,
But I questioned myself, you know, and what if what if they What
if I could have gone with him? What if? What if I was
accepted to whatever? You want to go? Come on, imagine that in
coming back or fifty years later. I mean, it's crazy one of them,
and they're just trying to find out about us, and they know a
lot already everything about us. I believe, as I say, we haven't
been here that long compared to everything else on this planet, and we certainly
don't know everything about this world. Yeah, I feel that way about that.
So I'd like to go through some of the images that you also provided
and we'll kind of we'll go through this and uh maybe one more question for
you, and then we'll get to uh to our listeners questions. So the
first off is this map. Okay, looking at here, that is the
I call it a Pythagorean triangle. If you'll notice that up in the center
left side of that, that's that is November one. That's the launch control
facility where we lived. And then if you go down to November five at
the very bottom of that, that is where the launch control that's where the
launch facility was located, where the missile was located. And then if you
go to the upper side of that triangle, that is newal Lake Reservoir Dam,
and that's where we were discovered. Behind that dam, and that's what
that long white slanting wall was covered in snow was the backside of New Lake
Reservoir Dam. I'd never been there before in my life, and that was
the first time i'd ever been there, and of course I hadn't been back.
Where that pin is dropped is directly where we were found and brought out
of there. Now, if you'll look to the right of that pin at
the lower part of it, you see that white snow at the bottom of
it, And that is the overflow pond that where the slough was located on
behind that pin. That is activated when it gets too full and it floods
that smaller pond down there. Now, if Michael Johnson had been aware and
active, had he stepped out of that vehicle about five foot away from that
vehicle, he had gone down that hill to that small pond there, of
course it had was full of ice. But that's the backside of New Leg
Reservoir. Damn, it's there today. I'm just there. And and I
got to tell you this other thing that blows in my mind is that when
we filmed there for Discovery Plus two years ago, I was with Rich Emberling.
He was the host of that show, really great guy, had a
good team and everything, and we got new member control and I November one
and I couldn't believe it was there and went all through that and we did
a bunch of stuff there, and I don't know who owns it today,
but we didn't have any resistance at all, even going on going on the
property because it's on somebody's property, and I went all through it and I
have a never mind I'm trying to say that. But from there we went
from November five. Now I had not been back to November five since all
this happened forty four years ago. And the producer was afraid to film directly
in front of November five, which really bothered me because I wanted to stand
right where, right in front of that cattle gate for that vehicle was that
night. He was afraid that something would be said had we gone directly in
front of the site where there's this small cattle producing facility, not a producing
facility. Maybe if they do some branding there or trim who's I don't know.
It's all good. They take super care of their animals there, and
he wouldn't film there, So we filmed about sixty yards down the road at
Ormond Road, looking out on a field, and then everything was done in
like cartoon type effects, and I thought that's terrible. But being there when
I got out of that vehicle, I thought, honestly, I thought my
heart going to stop, even in that proximity. And we walked up there
and it was just hard for me to even get grips on myself for a
moment, smelling that air and knowing what was in that atmosphere forty something years
ago, directly above that site. And when all was said and done,
there was a bunch of people riding up and down Ormond Road that lived in
Newell and they were coming out to see this film crew. They don't get
that very often there, and super nice folks, super nice folks. But
two guys held back and one was in like a four whel drive rhino in
enclosed cab and the other was sitting on sitting on a like a little ATV
four wheel four wheel or like a Honda or something, and came up and
introduced themselves, and the guy that was in the in the rhino enclosed cab
got his name and everything, and he he asked me, he goes,
you're the guy that has happened to you right now? I said, yes,
he goes, Well, my father was a state patrolman during that period
of time, and he said, at about two o'clock in the morning,
he got a call from some from people on base to go in search for
you guys. He said. Now, he said his bedroom was located right
off the kitchen where the phone was on the wall there at their home and
the prairie there. He said they owned about eighty thousand acres and he ranches
on it today. When he heard we were filming, he just wanted to
come down here. He didn't know what it was about, but he thought
he did. And he said he heard his father tell whoever he was speaking
to back at Ellsworth, or why do you want me to go look for
him? He said, they have more weapons than I've got, and there's
two of them and just one of me. Anyway, his father loaded up
in his patrol car and he went looking for us. And he relayed that
his father saw something in the atmosphere. Didn't say what it was, didn't
say anything like that at a size or anything like that, but he saw
something strange in the atmosphere, is what he told his son later. That
manage now passed away, But he told his son that he knew that all
these years. The other fellow that was on the four wheeler, a little
Honda four wheeler, he had been a deputy sheriff, you know, forty
years earlier in Sturgis, And they were contacted their office in Sturgis was contacted
because they had roving patrol or patrols into the Newell area. I don't know
if Newell had a police department or not, I can't remember. And two
of their patrols were sent north on Highway seventy nine to come look for us
also, So that was a revelation that I had no idea that even transpired.
So we had, you know, six security policemen looking for us,
and two state officials or law enforce officer patrols looking for us. So that
was pretty substantial. We'll find that out and but yet to never know it.
And I hope that someday we could could go back there and have a
roundtable or something and meet with these guys and talk with them, and maybe
some other people saw some things. I don't remember what night this was on.
I don't know if it was a Wednesday night or Friday night or what.
I don't remember. I was day run together for me, but but
it would be fun. I'm even on a web page there, you know.
I just just chat little things, you know, concerning Newell people selling
stuff or I talked to people you know, and used to be a runway
there. I never knew there was an airport there in Newell and just one
high school and just a really really cool place. And it's a nice little
panel. But I would like to do that one day. So that was
a revelation finding that out. But then again, you know a networks attacking
the problem of abduction, they don't like to do that or even discuss it.
After all that day of filming. Now, mind you, the producer
even cut it short. I never knew where Newa Lake was. These two
guys. When I told him the area that I was found in, he
said that sounds like new A Lake reservoir. And I said, what,
I said, where is that? He said, go back to Highway seventy
nine, go north about nine and a half miles. It'll be on your
right. It's about three miles off the road. Well, if the producer
had already allowed the camera crew and the drone operator to depart to leave,
so it was just him, Richard Emerley and myself left. So we went
just says he described, went all the way up to it, went straight
down the road. When all his back road off the highway back to New
Lake Reservoir dam, the first thing I saw was that tree. I was
telling you about. I said, I can't believe that tree is still here
after all these years, that big old tree still there today there's a new
aluminum building out there. Went right back to the spot, and I couldn't
believe what I was seeing. And I never knew that that day what I
was standing in front of, and that was the backside of that knew Leg
reservoir dam. That was the back burn wall and it's about forty five fifty
feet high at about a forty five degree angle. So I never knew that
at all. And that was not filmed, And they only displayed about eight
minutes on Discovery Plus of me standing on the side of Oman Road, Oman
Road, holding up my drawings were a drone operator to look over my shoulder,
crying like an idiot, because I mean, it just broke me down
for the first few minutes I was standing there, but that's all they wanted
to get evidently, and then it goes from there into a launch control officer,
another guy at another side, so I thought, well, there again,
it showed up flipped lights at this thing, what I did in the
vehicle or anything like that, I mean, and they said other things,
but I'm not going to worry about that. Now, you know, it's
either either you attack the subject matter and get the true story, or you
don't do it at all, or whatever ratings that these people try to get
and whatever money that they make, I don't care, you know, I
just You're going to tell it. You're not shut the hell up about it.
So what would you what would you say to these skeptics like mc west
or Stephen green Street that may tell you that this is preloaded or you imagined
it. What would you say to those people, Well, either they're scared
of their own shadows or they don't really want to admit that there could be
something greater than they've ever even possibly imagined. And they don't pay my bills.
And I don't give a damn or what anybody says. I know what
I lived through. I know what I've lived through for the last forty five
years of my life. I'm sixty seven years old now, and I'm too
tired to run and too old to give a damn wow, so much to
digest your your story is just um, you know what you've gone through,
and sharing your story with everyone is it's I would say out of anything that
that um and I've seen these things myself. Thank God, I've never gone
through an abduction experience. I would never want that, nor would I wish
that upon anyone. And and my heart goes out to you for what what
you've what you've shouldered with all of this, and and um, your your
bravery and being so upfront about your experience and sharing your emotion. Fast forward,
you recently testified to the Pentagon's UFO office Arrow. What was that like,
M Well, it really wasn't much different than talking to you, you
know. I Uh, I was asked, I was read all the security
measures what I could or could not divulge, and then I was kind of
given a free slot in order to discuss the entire incident or just relay,
just like I've relate to you. I was there really not that much difference,
you know. They did ask me a few specific questions and they just
had to stay there. And I answered them appropriately and gave them any and
all names that are associated with this entire incident. In any way that I
could help and wanted to help or anything they needed from me. They didn't,
I didn't. I would be more willing to do whatever they wanted me
to do. So I just tried to be as upfront as possible. But
I watched what Sean Kirkpatrick said during this last briefing when he stated that there
was no correlation or no connection with nuclear weapons, and I just literally had
to laugh at this guy, and I you know what, mister Kirkpatrick,
if you're watching this, I would sit down and chat with you any dadgum
time you'd like to talk about it, because I don't know if I don't
know what else I can say other than what my word is. But with
all your resources in scientific background and what you know, if you think that
this is not going on, you're mistaken and you need to come to grip
with it yourself because it has happened to people, and it's by God happened
to me. And I'll stand behind that in any way fashion to form that
you can come up with, how long did Arrow interview you for? How
long did that go? Four hours of nineteen minutes? And was it doctor
Kirkpatrick that interviewed you. No, but I'm not allowed to say who it
was, so you part of your legal agreement with them was that you could
not state who the interviewer was. An Arrow correct, correct, and can
you speaks as to what kind of questions they asked or what the questions were?
Not much different than what you come up with, but that not much.
But that was part of the part of that nondisclosure agreement, was not
revealing what exactly they asked you. Correct? Correct, Okay, Okay,
I just can't. I just can't repeat the direct questions and which which I
was asked. But basically this, you know, the incident is the same.
No matter who's asking the questions, nothing is going to change that.
Nothing is going to change like it knows his sessions And the last one or
latest was with the director of zero and she um Ivan Smith, and she
sent me a recording of that. I offered up any of that, any
of my no secessions. I offered anything that they wanted they could have.
I have nothing to hide from them. And did you did they request any
of those materials? And did you hear back from Arrow at all? Nope?
I have not yet. Okay. Now, following this experience later on
in life, did you have any subsequent encounters? Oh? I had something
very strange happen in twenty seventeen December seventeenth to twenty seventeen. And I don't
know how to quite come to grips with this, but what could any you
know, what happened to me November five? What could what further? Would
anything? Would would these beings ever neat with me? Whatsoever? I just,
you know, I just happened to be at a place that they set
off an alarm, and I was a secary place and then you know,
we showed up and it could have been it could have been Tom and Moe,
who knows. It just was me this time and Michael Johnson. But
in December seventeenth of twenty seventeen, I was asleep in my bed and I
have a separate room because I worked. I worked rotating shifts, so I'll
disturb everybody in my house when I get up at you know, three forty
five in the morning to go to work a day shift or something, and
it rotates. So anyway, I awoke at ten after four, eleven after
four, because I have these really strange times that I wake up. I
worked day shift. But anyway, every alarm, low voltage alarm in my
home was going off. But that's not really got what got me. I
woke up standing at the foot of my bed looking at the northern wall of
that bedroom, and there was a hole in the wall in the dresser on
the left and the right side, about four or five feet in diameter.
And for a flash, it was a second before I gained consciousness. I've
never slept a walk in my life. I saw some kind of like flashes
or spark or something on both sides of this opening, a black hole,
and my eyes, my eyes came to or whatever. Of course it was
gone. And then I heard all these noises, and immediately my son popped
in my room. He said, Dad, what's going on? What's going
on? He had heard something, He heard these sounds. Also, I
didn't know an oven stove, a microwave, or a range or refrigerator.
Did I say that? Or even I didn't know that these items had low
voltage alarms on them. And all the lights that were on in my living
room and in my kitchen area that stay on four seven, we're flickering in
real, real low light. It was like, what the heck? And
Jake said my son, Jake, he said, Dad, what he goes,
what the hell is going on? I said, I don't know.
Some so I did a little searching clear in my house and my underwear real
quick. I mean, that's just the kind of guy I am. And
when I came into the kitchen, all these microwave and the only things from
making noises that I'd never heard before, and I later found out they were
low holtage alarms, and U I unblogged. I think I unplowed a microwave
and something. And then eventually they stopped. And I don't know why they
stopped, but they stopped. And so I went back and my son was
still up, and I said, well, I guess, I said,
I don't know what's happening is I said, all the lights are flickering like
that. And I said, well, I can't get any light to come
on fully, it just barely comes on. I said, I guess the
whole neighborhoods messed up. So I said, well, I'm gonna lay back
down. When I get up, I'll call George Power. So I went
back to sleep, and just strange, you know, it's just strains,
the whole, the whole ordeal. And all of a sudden, about eight
fifteen, my son's getting him good work, and he said, he popped
my door. He says, he goes Dad. He goes, George Powers
in the front yard, and we have about an acre here, a little
over an acre. So in the house is sitting in the middle of it.
I got like two hundred trees in every direction. So it's it's nice
for that, you know. And anyway, so I could throw one some
clothes real quick, and I said where are They said, all right by
the street. So I got up and I go out the front door.
And I go out there and I said hey, I said, going man,
and he just looked at me and says, uh, did you Mary?
And I said yesterday? I said this is my house. And I
said, man, what's going on? He goes, I says, everybody
in the neighborhood affected. And he looked at me kind of funny. He
says, he goes, just you and I said what. He goes,
you lost a leg to your home. I said, well, that's weird.
I said, how does that happen? He goes, We don't know.
He said, when you lit up our board down here in the in
the control room like the fourth of July. And I said, lit up
your board? He said, yeah. Well, you know, we have
every neighborhood and everything is you know, is monitored, you know, for
power usage and so forth. I said, well, that's awful weird.
He goes, yeah, he goes, he goes, step up here in
your back port, so we're outside of my garage, or keep my trash
can on a little deck there. He had this mobile unit on as a
transformer unit, and they had these transformer was jumpered into my to my house.
I've got pictures of it and stuff that went into my you know,
where they the electrical reading device is located, the meter is located. And
I said wow, I said that's pretty cool. He said, well that's
gonna that's gonna give you three legs of power, you know, in two
week and get a new wire. And I said, well again, I
said, how did this happen? He goes, we have no idea.
He said, we just got a huge surge of power. And he said
and then this went out, and he said, we responded immediately because a
lot of times these things can cause a fire. And he was underground.
I hear about about seventy feet away from my front door, and so I
didn't think too much about it. And I said, well, I guess
that's you know, okay. So a few weeks went by and one of
the kids who lived in this neighborhood was home and I was leaving work early
that morning, and I was cutting my grass or something. Some I was
checking my mail or something, and he stopped me said, hey, mister,
what's are you doing. I said, all right, man, He
goes man, Well, he said, what was going on in your backyard
a couple of weeks ago? And I said what, he goes man,
Your backyard was lit up like Hollywood lights back there, And I said,
in my backyard? He goes yeah. I said, well, a lot
of gods of spotlights on the end of my home, you know, two
of them, just one, one hundred and fifty wats each, you know.
And he said, oh no, oh no, he says, it
looked like the sun went off back there. And I said, you've got
to be kidding me. So of course I came in and told my son
about it, and he just didn't really know what to say. And you
know, I told everybody else about it, and they didn't know what to
say. And you know, they later came out about three weeks later and
put it in a new wire and remove their transforming device out here. And
but that was in December seventeenth to twenty seventeen, and that's the last thing
that happened. And I sent you a picture of that drawing that I drew.
I called Robert Basings immediately and told him. He said, yeah,
that's what it looked like. And you see in the bottom where my feet
were standing. So but my question is what they would they if there are
beings of you know where, what could they possibly want with somebody? Forty
five years later, And that's that's from a hypnosis and dream session, and
I was taken into a room where there's these all these old ices. That's
an iron and there's a TV or radio and one of those old light stands.
And I was told by the little guy that took me in there to
look around, and there was a window off to the left. It was
that was around, but it had a pie slice out of it that I
could look out the window, but I never I was too afraid to look
out the window. And then I was taken out of there and and into
a foggy area and that's the last thing I remember about that. But this
area was huge. What is this? That's something somebody sent to me and
said, is this remind you of anything. And it was really quite strange
and then perplexing when I saw it. I have no idea whose that is
or where it came from, but it got my attention and I thought,
oh my god. You know, and and I've noticed in the far far
back there's a there's a steer on a table back there and I just just
really got my attention, so I just threw it in there. Now I
understand that you have marks on your body that you attribute to this, to
this experience, and I want to show some of those. So, um,
this is what your ankle left ankle correct and and don't know where it
came from. Yeah, there's I have two of those on my body.
Don't remember any medical procedure. As a doctor, Mark Gold once told me.
I had him really look at them. And in macro photography, that's
just photograph of my phone. And that's on my inner left ankle, right
above the ankle bone. And I've just taken off my socks, so that's
why when we did that, that's why those lines were there. But and
right between the achilles and the anklebone, I guess, and the and it's
a scoop mark that we're looking at in the middle. Correct, that's correct,
Yes, and the other scoop mark is same diameter. That's correct,
and it was measured and that he called them pop marks is what I've been
told they are. And then that's it right there, and there's a middle
dimple in it. Don't know you know what would cause that mark, doctor
Mark Gold He was a neurologist, and he said, and a neurosurgeon,
he said, you know, he didn't know of any life saving events.
It's been in an emergency that this area and the area under my left arm
would be accessed with whatever, and for what purpose? That's the one under
my arm, my left arm, okay? And is there one on your
right as well or just on the left No, no, just just the
left side. Just those two areas, okay, underneath the left the arm
and the left ankle. Okay. So let's let's get to some user questions.
Firstly, thank you for this is by far the longest interview that we've
ever done. And uh, and I really I really appreciate it, and
I know our viewers really appreciate sharing this really powerful. UM. I hope
a lot of people watch this. I really do. UM, this is
by far the most compelling story I've ever heard. Okay, so um,
let's see here. Mario, have you ever spoken with doctor Gary Nolan about
your experience? This is from Anonymous Wrecks from doctor Knowlton. No, I
have not, Okay, I'd like to he Yeah, he's been on our
show once. Just amazing, amazing man. Do This is from Marley did
it? Do these experiences make you question the existence of God or a higher
higher power? No? Never? Excellent? Uh? From Jason Sorry?
From Jason Faye. Does Mario recall if they took any pictures of his burns
when they were examining him? No, only the skin examples. They do
not take pictures of another great one here from Peter Cosmos Cosmos, how do
you see the next six months and next five years? Will disclosure happen?
Where will it come from? If yes? And do you expect anything real
from upcoming events? Upcoming hearings and MPC event. I'm not sure what that
is. I think when disclosure happens, it won't be our government that does
it unless they're forced to do it. I think that, okay. I
think that these beings will pick a time in which to do it. In
a way that everybody at one time will know that they're here or they're making
their announcement. They're just not going to do it in the United States.
So what's the kind of media that's going to take place. It's going to
be TV and radio. It's going to be a communication that we all hear.
There's some correlations here, maybe in our own languages, across the entire
planet. I don't know what they're time frame is, but I think when
we're notified, there will be no question. There will be no question.
I don't know, maybe they weren't. Maybe they weren't. No, there
will be no question that they have made their announcement, and we will know.
Everything will change. Now if it's all for the good, because we
know if they were bad, we'd have been gone long ago. But for
sure, you know do And actually I want to give a shout out to
Toms who asked the really great question I posed earlier. If you regretted flashing
the perimeter perimeter lights? Here's one from Keith Taylor another another great great question.
Are there any indications of implants? I've never been fully X rayed.
I don't know. I have had small Mriyes, like for procedures that I
had done. But I've nothing that I know has been detected now my friend
Terry Lovelace, yes he did. I don't know if Yeah, okay from
Chris time. Have you had any near near death experiences in your life,
either before or after the event. No, only they're only only on that
side that night, No Number five. I guess before that tunnel vision effect,
I saw many many things flash before me, and and and and sitting
on that sitting in that restroom, on that on that toilet seat, when
I felt as if I was leaving my body that next morning. That's the
only time I've ever had any anything like that at all, And I really
hope I never do it again, because it's I don't I don't, I
don't know. I don't know if i'd have gone so far i couldn't come
back, or or I would or I would have died. I thought I
was dying. I really did. I thought I was literally dying. So
I think this will be our final questions. It's been been a very long
show, um trying to think how to answer ask this. Do you have
confidence in the mission of Arrow and confidence that doctor Sean Kirkpatrick is trying to
get to the bottom of this, especially after seeing doctor Kirkpatrick's testimony at the
Senate hearing. I want to say I have confidence, but I feel as
if there's an ulterior motive to that, my confidence is somewhat shaken. I
mean, there is no way that you can't deny that you can deny a
nuclear connection. There is absolutely no way, whether it be nuclear missile sites,
weapons platforms, aircraft carriers, something to do with nuclear they are there
now. I don't know if I know that. You know, we know
how to split an atom, but is that all there is about splitting an
atom? You know, Tesla knew about electricity, but he didn't know everything
about electricity and he was learning. And I think it's the same way with
our nuclear capabilities. Now, you know, we've got some how to destructive
stuff, you know, and maybe there is some kind of a guard that
guards against what you know, we we have entail he used for these nuclear
weapons. For I mean, how can we really communicate, you know,
as a as a world when we can't even get along with each other.
It's not the fact that we have them, is the fact what they're intended
to do with them. In my book. So I don't know if he's
not willing to look at the evidence that's out there, and he's got to
have more access to anything that you and I and anybody on this thin could
even discuss. He's had to have seen things that we're not even allowed to
talk about. He maybe he can't even talk about him. I don't know,
But somebody needs to get a grip on the whole thing and really come
forward, you know, to the American people, into the world. But
what's really there and what we really have did did a craft crash in Roswell?
Did two craft crash in walkro Other things buried it we don't know about?
Are the Rocker archaeological sites that we don't know about? I mean,
there's just something amiss about the whole thing. And to not end to go
from sixty nine Blue Book ended to now and every year changed the name now
to Arrow, I mean, I can't even I don't even want I just
a UFO investigation period. It's not that I disrespect anything. I'm just tired
of being hammered around, you know, with non truths. You know,
if the Senate Hearing Committee wants to get to the truth, I'd be willing
to sit down and talking home. I don't know, don't know what else.
Like I tell another, I would have just told you if Black got
something he's done, you would testify in front of Congress. Absolutely under morrow,
Yeah, under oath. Absolutely, I'm under oath of you right now.
Do you think do you think UM at the Senate the Senate hearing,
do you think doctor Kirkpatrick had a net negative effect on whistleblowers wanting to come
forward? Or do you think what he sort of seemingly said to say there
was no as I think you you mentioned earlier, no no sign of extraterrestrial
activity. Do you think that that this deflated or UM discouraged whistle further whistleblowers
from coming forward. I don't think. I know it did, and I
know some that it has already, so so to be so, to be
clear, you know, you know of whistleblowers that were ready to come forward
and talk to the Pentagon, and after doctor Kirkpatrick's performance, they no longer
want to do that. They don't want to they don't trust them, they
don't trust them. I'm hearing that a lot. I don't honestly think for
as many incursions and as any interactions has gone on, and you know whether
and they're just I guess they're just doing military personnel, government employees. I
guess that's what I gathered. You know, there's many civilians in scientific roles
that have had incidents like this also, and at weapons complexes or at their
own private homes or driving home. They couldn't answer enough phones that people were
really trusting and would come forward with what's happened to them or what they've seen
along Interstate ninety five or seventy five or ninety or any other interstates in this
country or anywhere out west or anywhere into Gulf of Mexico. I mean,
there are thousands of people that have seen things that they just can't explain,
but yet don't acknowledge them either, And that's where it's all wrong. One
of the things that really caught me off guard about the doctor Kirkpatrick's at testimony
was a seemingly uber focus on the scientific method and pure reviewed papers to get
to the bottom of this, which to me disregards whistleblower testimony. What would
you say to doctor Kipatrick about that, about his approach, I just think
it's all wrong. I just think you literally have to sit down with people.
You know, It's it's not the people, it's the process of how
they go from A to Z. You know, you just don't go from
A two Z. You got to go ABCD and F you know, to
get to the to the get to the whole thing. You just can't.
I don't know, you just can't disgradit somebody because they it's hard for people.
And it's hard for me to sit down and tell a thousand people this
at the same time, let alone on three different networks or on podcasts or
anything like that. So I'm a dad gum sure or that everything that I'm
telling you is exactly how it happened to me, exactly what I remember to
the best of my knowledge, and there's nothing they can do to sway that.
And yet they can't refute it. And I told them that, I
said, you go hunt everyone, every single person that was involved with me
and that incident. I gave them their names. I said, you go
find these people and let me know what you find, and then we'll talk
again if you want to. I offered him anything and everything that I could
possible to give them. You know, they got my certificates they've got my
training records, they've got this incident. I didn't get a copy of it.
I didn't get a copy of my medical record. Said anything about this
on it burns on my face. What happened to those skin samples? Nothing
that I know of. I never could talk about it again because I was
made to feel as if I was a criminal or what happened to me?
And many others do. Also, those guys in Rambles from Forest, they
went through hell for years and they had I think a major helping them that
was at Hall. Was that who it was was assisting them. I think
so, yeah, yeah, I believe that's the way they do though.
They just put their thumb on you and keep you down because there's something that
they're hiding. You know. Technology just didn't magically appear, and the weapons
complexes just didn't magically appear and gained billions and trillions of dollars out of nowhere.
Each entity got a piece of the puzzle to work on. That's what
I This is what I found out. And I've worked for a lot of
those people. Luckie Martin Martin Marietta didn't work for G ANDNG, But I
know a lot of people that have and others and everybody got a piece of
his prize. What they couldn't figure out, they put it away for five
ten years until they can figure it out, and they bring it back out
and start working on it again. Whatever it may be, and I'm not
saying there is anything, but whatever it may be. You know, cell
phones, they just magically appeared in ninety six. Yeah, computing power to
send a rocket to the moon, more so than what we had in the
first moonflight took off, you know. No, yeah, the jump,
the jump is crazy. Yeah, I you know. The thing that comes
to mind is after listening, you know, and we've we've been live here
almost almost three hours, so we're if we had like another hour, Togo,
that would be the equivalent testimony that you gave to doctor Shan Kerpatrick's office,
narrow and hearing your compelling experience, it blows my mind that he would
say that there's no um, you know, there's no evidence of any sort
of non human intelligence in this and it really makes me question whether his office
has been fully briefing the senators on what you guys have had to say.
Um, yeah, you know, it makes me very suspicious and um,
you know, and sometimes I wonder too as well how much O usd ion
S has had to do with um this this seeming dysfunctional operation of ARROW.
Uh. You know O usd and I O U S d ion S is
led by Ronald Moultrie, who, by the way, was ay on the
advisory board of Battel, which we understand was part of back engineering programs.
But he uh, he's left that off of his LinkedIn LinkedIn profile, even
though he has a ton of other stuff. O usd ion s as uh
as uh Lu Alexander has stated this has been the organization that that has engaged
in the Lyne in the ob fuse skation. So I think as long as
Arrow was under the under the thumb of Ronald Moultrie and O usd ion S,
I don't know that I would trust trust them. Uh. And I
don't know if you if you saw interview with the Senator Kristen jilla Brand that
one of the things she did, one of the things that she did encourage
was for whistleblowers to reach out directly to her office. I don't have the
email address that she stated, but does that give you does that give you
any sort of confidence in the process that Senator Jilla Brand is saying, don't
don't go to Arrow, come to us. Well, I would be happy
to talk to her in a heartbeat. You know. I just you just
can't. You just can't throw this stuff in the trench, can You can't.
You can't manipulate it. You can't do anything other than talk about it
and tell the truth about it. And these incidents need to be brought out.
And I've got other friends that want us say something about it, that
have contacted me over just the last five or six years that they would love
to spend some of her military also, And they say, man, I
don't want anybody to know this, And I say, you know, I
respect that, because if you tell me not to tell somebody something, I
will not tell somebody something. It's just that simple. But yeah, I
would be happy to talk to her so face to face. Anchor Patrick,
I don't care. It doesn't make it do They just got to get me
there and get me a suit because I don't want to suit anymore. We're
getting out the serious man. Well, we'll chat offline. I think there's
some folks I think you should probably speak with. Um. Okay, great,
So let's wrap it up here, Mario. How can folks find you
get in touch with you? Um? What would you like to share on
that? My email is simple. I'm you know. I'm on Facebook too,
and I don't really I don't like to use it all that much.
But Imwood's one seven five at gmail dot com is my email and you can
email me at anytime. I will, I promise you I'll answer you back.
It may take me a day or two. I'm mostly on my phone
and not on my laptop because I work for a living like a lot of
the people do. But I will answer you back, and it could continue
on. I'll answer you questions or help you get in a right spot.
If we can, we'll talk. I'll give you my phone number and we
can chat also necessary. It's up to you, though, But don't feel
shy, you know, if you've got a question, you know any in
any way, I don't care. If you listen to this and you don't
like it, you don't like me, I don't care. You've got something
to say, go ahead and ask me a question, send it to me
and we'll talk about it. I love that. Yeah, But folks,
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and and really to close us, Mario, first, firstly, thank you
for serving our country. It's patriots like yourself that allow us to be able
to live in freedom and speak about these things. And uh, you know
and might do it again in my book. You're you're an American hero,
and and your bravery and sharing this story, uh, and what you've gone
through and really also sharing the emotion behind it and and and how that has
impacted your life, your your your genuineness and openness. Uh is man,
I can't meet I can't wait to meet you in person and have a beer
with you. I'll see that, all right, folks. Thanks, we'll
do it. We'll barbecue for sure. Anyway, Mario, thank you very
much folks for thanks for joining us. This as our longest show. Again,
our apologies for the audio er at the beginning. Once once I stopped
the live stream, I'll try and put a little message in there so people
know to skip forward. Um. Anyway, thanks again for joining us,
and we will see you next time on the Good Trouble Show.