1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,960 Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is not intended for all 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:16,480 audiences. Listener discretion is advised. He burned Chopolian and held it for several 3 00:00:16,519 --> 00:00:23,879 minutes. He stopped, checked repoles, and there was a one. Welcome 4 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:28,160 to season ten, episode two fifty two of Sword and Scale, a show 5 00:00:28,239 --> 00:00:48,799 that reveals that the worst monsters you guessed it are real. This month marks 6 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:54,159 the tenth year of Sword and Scale. I came up with this idea in 7 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:58,880 October twenty ninth of twenty fourteen, on my birthday. By the way, 8 00:00:59,039 --> 00:01:02,679 thank you, thank you for wishing me a happy birthday. Yeah, and 9 00:01:03,119 --> 00:01:07,200 now ten years later, here we are. It's amazing. Life is really 10 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:49,680 fucking weird sometimes. On July twenty fifth, twenty ten, a woman named 11 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:56,519 Tracy Stevens found herself at the Pinckneyville Police Department. She had reported her youngest 12 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,400 daughter, fifteen year old Sydney Stephens, missing over a week ago. Now 13 00:02:00,439 --> 00:02:05,719 things were getting serious. No one had heard from her. When did you 14 00:02:05,799 --> 00:02:14,159 report her missing? Monday morning, the nineteenth, around seven o'clock in the 15 00:02:14,199 --> 00:02:15,800 morning is when I called nine one one? Is that when you found her? 16 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:20,000 Missy? Yeah? Okay, do you think she crawled out her bedroom 17 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:24,159 window. Or no, the way that my house is set up, its 18 00:02:24,479 --> 00:02:30,080 flit level, and her room is the entire downstairs because it's actually on a 19 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,120 two bedroom house. And I also have a seventeen year old daughter. Where 20 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:38,520 do you live at? On Water Street? Right past the Gray School when 21 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,199 it makes that little jig jog right there, Folden has her hairshop and all 22 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:46,879 that. Right behind there is a white house. Most people, that's where 23 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:51,960 Jerry and Lois Fulton used to live. Oh Jerry. In case you haven't 24 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,879 figured it out, Pinckneyville is a very small town, the kind of place 25 00:02:55,879 --> 00:03:01,039 where everyone knows each other. In twenty ten had just over five thousand residents. 26 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:07,800 We're talking tiny. It was unusual for teenagers to disappear in towns like 27 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:15,719 this. In Tracy's modest split level house, Sydney's bedroom was the entire downstairs 28 00:03:15,759 --> 00:03:19,439 floor. Okay, so she had to basically the run of the downstairs as 29 00:03:19,479 --> 00:03:23,639 split level. Right. We gave my son in the bedroom upstairs because he's 30 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:28,120 the boy and we couldn't have the all share in the room, and then 31 00:03:28,199 --> 00:03:30,840 the downstairs because it is pretty good size. I'm going to have to put 32 00:03:30,879 --> 00:03:35,879 this on silence. This is her, Sydney's dad. Can I please answer 33 00:03:35,919 --> 00:03:40,719 this one? Sure? Hello? Tracy's phone was ringing off the hook. 34 00:03:42,319 --> 00:03:46,000 Sydney's disappearance was making the rounds through their family as well as the small town. 35 00:03:46,919 --> 00:03:52,240 Sidney had an older half sister, Dakota, who was seventeen, and 36 00:03:52,319 --> 00:03:58,199 an older half brother named Zachary. Dakota and Sydney were raised together by Dakota's 37 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:05,000 father until Tracy red that Sydney was not actually his biological daughter. Sydney found 38 00:04:05,039 --> 00:04:09,639 this out when she was just a little girl, and it really rocked her 39 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:14,280 sense of being. So you found her missing on the nineteenth, Yeah, 40 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:19,079 the morning of the nineteenth. I've told this story so many I'm sorry. 41 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:27,759 I know. I know it's okay because I I went to bed Sunday night 42 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:32,160 about eleven thirty quarter till twelve. She was there. She was in a 43 00:04:32,199 --> 00:04:36,240 good mood. She was fine. She had been playing with the dog. 44 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:42,000 Her and the dog were sharing string cheese, They were sharing popsicles. Me 45 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:46,480 and her were watching squid Billies together. Let me ask you who lives in 46 00:04:46,519 --> 00:04:50,360 the house with you, Me and Sydney and my daughter Dakota. Okay, 47 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:55,480 and was Dakota at home. During the Dakota had stayed the night at her 48 00:04:55,519 --> 00:05:02,040 boyfriend's house, Chad Bennett. Though he lives with his grandparents out in Charlotte 49 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:08,360 Hills, Dakota was out with her boyfriend Chad, so it was just Sydney 50 00:05:08,439 --> 00:05:12,000 and Tracy at the house. Well, Tracy was on the family computer. 51 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:16,079 Sydney played with her dog, sharing a popsicle in a cup. So her 52 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,480 and the dog are both thrinking out of this cup. Whatever they do. 53 00:05:19,759 --> 00:05:23,560 I know it sounds disgusting, but they those two do it all the time. 54 00:05:24,399 --> 00:05:30,120 She had wrecked her bike on Saturday, because it was like seven thirty 55 00:05:30,399 --> 00:05:33,519 Saturday night before I even ran to even come and pick me up. She 56 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:40,759 had wrecked her bike on Saturday and had stretched up her legs and hurt the 57 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,600 palm of her hand. I mean, and it was just that palm of 58 00:05:43,639 --> 00:05:47,759 her hand was just really bad. She was mad because she wrecked her bike 59 00:05:47,759 --> 00:05:51,959 and because her friends weren't home that was supposed to be home because they were 60 00:05:51,959 --> 00:05:58,160 supposed to go camping, and the friends of her that was on a Saturday 61 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:03,199 night, shoes that was that was Saturday evening. Sidney was upset with her 62 00:06:03,199 --> 00:06:10,879 friend. But this wasn't unusual. Sidney was played with emotional problems. She 63 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:15,160 lived for druma and most people didn't want it. They knew the things that 64 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,879 she had done in the past, you know, they just they didn't want 65 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,160 to deal with this. She was she was, She was a load. 66 00:06:23,319 --> 00:06:27,600 I mean she it was a lot just to be your friend. And she'd 67 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:32,000 have friends for very short periods of time and then the next thing, you 68 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,680 know, I never see or hear from him again. And she I was 69 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,439 like, so, whatever happened to so and so? Oh, well they 70 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,319 did this and piss me off or blah blah blah. They said this about 71 00:06:41,319 --> 00:06:44,639 me or said that about me. It was always somebody else's cult. She's 72 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,759 a teenager, first of all, and second, well, she's bipolar. 73 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:54,639 Sidney was a moody, sensitive teenager, and this was exacerbated by her bipolar 74 00:06:54,680 --> 00:07:00,800 disorder. Sydney's mental illness was finally taken seriously after found her in the laundry 75 00:07:00,879 --> 00:07:06,040 room of their house with a rope around her neck. She was trying to 76 00:07:06,079 --> 00:07:14,120 hang herself. Sydney was hospitalized and her whole life changed. Tracy was scared 77 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:19,240 to leave her alone after that. Things had gotten really bad again, which 78 00:07:19,279 --> 00:07:25,920 resulted in Tracy having to install a lock on her own bedroom door. Sydney 79 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:31,360 threatened to kill me and was hospitalized for that. About two years ago. 80 00:07:31,639 --> 00:07:38,720 She'd made threats that she had a plan one night that she was going to 81 00:07:38,759 --> 00:07:41,920 slit my throat and then go around herself in the bathtub. Who was going 82 00:07:41,959 --> 00:07:44,839 to help her? She was going to do it all by herself. Apparently. 83 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,920 Sydney also ran away from home often, but she was always found. 84 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:56,439 She'd be spotted or one of her friends would call Tracy. This time things 85 00:07:56,639 --> 00:08:01,360 were different. It had been a week plus. Sidney left her purse in 86 00:08:01,439 --> 00:08:07,199 her bedroom when she vanished, and none of her shoes were missing. That 87 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:11,839 didn't make sense. So you're saying she went barefully. Yeah, and I 88 00:08:11,879 --> 00:08:13,959 told the police this. I tried to tell them something was wrong. They 89 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,079 would not listen to me. Yeah. What's her status with her cell phone 90 00:08:18,519 --> 00:08:22,199 during this time frame? Where you letting her use her cell phone at all? 91 00:08:22,319 --> 00:08:24,759 Or she Sidney does not have a se It's all gone. No, 92 00:08:24,879 --> 00:08:28,959 it is all gone. Back in May, she got suspended from school, 93 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:35,000 and the end of April I had surgery and she got suspended from school. 94 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,639 I took her cell phone away from her because she got suspended from school. 95 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:45,559 Sydney had been in some trouble lately. Dakota and Sydney weren't getting along. 96 00:08:46,639 --> 00:08:50,879 Tracy was chalking it all up to the fact that she had two teenage girls 97 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:56,320 under one roof. After finishing up on the computer, Tracy decided to go 98 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,080 to bed. I shall watch a long one have been. I said, 99 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,360 you know, I'll see you later. She says, do you have to 100 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:05,440 work in the morning, And I said yeah, and she said okay, 101 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,720 And I said good night, love you and she said good night, love 102 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:15,240 you too. No time you think. That was about eleven thirty courter till 103 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:20,320 somewhere right in there. The reasons I can remember that she said love you 104 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:26,159 too is because nine times out of ten she hates me because I'm mom. 105 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,240 She don't like my rules, she don't like anything. So when she says 106 00:09:31,519 --> 00:09:33,159 love you, you know I can say it, and there's like she will 107 00:09:33,159 --> 00:09:37,159 not answer me. So these times she answered me. So that's how I 108 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:41,720 know she was in a decent mood. Sydney was happy the night before she 109 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:48,879 vanished. That's what was so odd. Whenever Sidney disappeared in the past, 110 00:09:48,919 --> 00:09:54,159 she had been building up to a manic episode. Everyone could tell something was 111 00:09:54,240 --> 00:10:01,039 about to implode. This time, Sydney was calm. The next morning, 112 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:05,279 she was gone, you know something, something's wrong, and I've been telling 113 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:09,960 the police all week long. Something with all of this is not right. 114 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,960 I haven't I haven't stayed at my I stayed at my house Monday night and 115 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:22,159 Tuesday night, but since then there I feel like I'm being watched, and 116 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:26,080 Dakota gets the same feeling. I feel like I'm being watched. There's something 117 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,399 creepy about my house, and neither one of us will go in there without 118 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:33,240 each other or somebody else. Why do you think there's something? I just 119 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:39,399 it's just something I don't know. It's just a gut feeling that something's wrong. 120 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:46,240 Another thing Dakota found on her vanity, which is by her bed on 121 00:10:46,279 --> 00:10:50,679 the other side of the room. She found the stuff on her vanity had 122 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,360 been knocked over. Dakota just picked all that up and just kind of sat 123 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,320 it back up because it's not a very sturvy vanity and it wouldn't take a 124 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,399 whole lot to bump it. It's just that real. Then when did she 125 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:05,559 find that that was Monday evening when me and her word woking through Sydney's room 126 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:09,600 trying to figure out if something was missing her and is there anything that you 127 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:15,840 could think of who her, if somebody body in particular. I just said, 128 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,000 I know she doesn't have a lot of friends. I know she's made 129 00:11:18,039 --> 00:11:22,519 a lot of people mad. I know she was into drugs. Who would 130 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,120 she have made really mad or or been involved with drug wise it would have 131 00:11:26,759 --> 00:11:31,120 I would want to do something to her. I don't really know. But 132 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:37,320 the reason Tracy was at the police station was because that morning they had found 133 00:11:37,879 --> 00:11:43,600 a body. Two men had been fishing in the local river and spotted something 134 00:11:43,639 --> 00:11:48,159 floating in the creek. When the police arrived, they pulled up the body 135 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:54,519 of a young woman. She was water logged and banged up. She was 136 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:01,440 unrecognizable. The body had ratchet straps tied around her waist at one end, 137 00:12:03,399 --> 00:12:07,960 and it was tied to a cinder block on the other. Whoever this was 138 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:13,919 had suffered multiple bullet wounds to the head. The only identifying factor on the 139 00:12:13,919 --> 00:12:20,639 body was a piece of jewelry. The dead girl wore a silver necklace with 140 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,559 a little musical note charm h you're going to try to identify this person who 141 00:12:24,639 --> 00:12:33,519 found we host not your dollar. I the detectives pushed a photograph toward Tracy 142 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:39,200 of the silver music note necklace. We got something you were seeing that before 143 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:50,440 Weber machine. That was That's why I forgot all about that. That's something 144 00:12:50,519 --> 00:13:03,879 she just recent and I think you know which crown? L Oh No, 145 00:13:05,639 --> 00:13:13,360 what was that on? I had seen her wear that, but I hadn't. 146 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:18,279 I hadn't really paid attention whether or not she has been wearing it light. 147 00:13:18,159 --> 00:13:22,120 I don't work it was it on a necklace? What kind of necklace? 148 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:33,440 Apply? Then the girl was Sydney. The fifteen year old had been 149 00:13:33,879 --> 00:13:39,399 shot in the head, then tied to a cinder block and thrown in the 150 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:46,440 river. But who on earth, in this tiny, close knit town would 151 00:13:46,440 --> 00:14:22,559 want to kill Sydney. Fifteen year old Sydney Stevens had been found shot dead 152 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:28,360 in a creek and tied down in the water. The teenager had a history 153 00:14:28,399 --> 00:14:33,960 of mental illness and running away. Sydney's mom, Tracy, had reported the 154 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:37,639 troubled teen missing a week prior and told police that Sydney had a long history 155 00:14:37,639 --> 00:14:43,759 of running away in suicide attempts and that she was also bipolar. Sydney had 156 00:14:43,759 --> 00:14:48,480 lost a lot of friends over the years and had dated some boys in town, 157 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:52,360 but her mother couldn't think of anyone who would want to kill her. 158 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:58,840 Starting from the inside and working their way out, the detectives soon brought in 159 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:05,759 Sydney her seventeen year old Dakota for questioning. They were only two years apart 160 00:15:05,799 --> 00:15:11,200 and hung out in the same social circles. Though they didn't always get along, 161 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:16,200 Dakota knew her sister, maybe she could shine a light on her social 162 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:20,200 life. Can you tell me about your on Sydney's relationship. Well, we 163 00:15:20,679 --> 00:15:26,279 got along great till puberty. Then it was the don't touch my stuff, 164 00:15:26,399 --> 00:15:31,480 I hate you fall of this year's kind of thing, typical teenage sister. 165 00:15:31,679 --> 00:15:35,679 Yeah, things, but like, we got along great unless I was on 166 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:37,720 my period she was on her period. Then we absolutely did not want to 167 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,919 be around each other. Sure, but other than that we got along great, 168 00:15:43,039 --> 00:15:46,159 unless she was trying to take my stuff when we were providing about chores 169 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:50,799 or something. Though the sisters both loved emo music, punk bands and dressed 170 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:56,879 like your typical small town teenage goth chicks, Dakota and Sydney were very different 171 00:15:56,919 --> 00:16:03,000 people. Dakota, is you see her room? There's yeah, there's dust 172 00:16:03,039 --> 00:16:06,559 bunnies all over the place, but everything is lined up, everything is organized. 173 00:16:06,759 --> 00:16:11,240 Dakota is OCD and she knows you could go in and move something to 174 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,159 a quarter of an inch and she's gonna walk in immediately know that there's something 175 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,480 wrong in that room. So let's talk about Sydney and her disappearing. Her 176 00:16:18,919 --> 00:16:26,200 disappearance is what everybody originally thought it was. Where were you when you were 177 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:30,000 notified of her disappearance? Boyfriend's house? And who's your boyfriend? Chad Bennett? 178 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,320 Okay, does he live here in town? Where's he live at? 179 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:38,000 I don't know it's address, but it's the same little subdivision that plum one 180 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:44,320 lives. Okay, who called you? Text to Chad and said, how 181 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:45,600 did you go to call him? When she makes upthing? He looked up 182 00:16:45,639 --> 00:16:49,240 and said, follow your morman a nuts And she asked by her sidneys or 183 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,360 anything wrong? But no, she said, Okay. I was like why 184 00:16:52,399 --> 00:16:56,600 she's like, Sydney's missing again. I can't find her. And I texted 185 00:16:56,639 --> 00:17:00,440 all my friends and said, Sydney's missing again. If you see her or 186 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,039 know anyone that gets contact with her. Just call me in my mom. 187 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:08,400 That's why Dakota said she wasn't super concerned. Sydney had gone missing many times. 188 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:15,039 In fact, she'd run away just last summer, but was found hiding 189 00:17:15,079 --> 00:17:18,480 in the woods when she rated herself out to a boy she had a crush 190 00:17:18,559 --> 00:17:25,839 on. Dakota said that on the night Sidney disappeared, she came home briefly 191 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:30,640 with her boyfriend Chad. She only saw Sydney for a minute in the kitchen. 192 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,480 Oh, in the kitchen one time to make food. All she said 193 00:17:33,599 --> 00:17:36,799 was why are you putting that in a microwave? Okay? And other than 194 00:17:36,839 --> 00:17:41,160 that, she was just Sydney. And when you were there from eleven eleven 195 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:47,079 thirty to three three thirty, did you stay there at the house the entire 196 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:51,240 time? Yeah? Did you ever go outside in the yard anything like that? 197 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,160 Do you smoke? No? Okay? Does Chad smoke? Yeah? 198 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,960 Oh? Did you go outside for him to have a cigarette? Anything like 199 00:17:59,079 --> 00:18:00,960 that? Smoked in because we didn't smoke in the house. Now they going 200 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,599 home, didn't care anymore, So Dakota and Chad left and went to meet 201 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:11,599 some of their friends at Buffalo Wild Wings for dinner. Then they went out 202 00:18:11,759 --> 00:18:17,839 and did whatever dumb things teenagers do. Dakota slept over at Chad's house. 203 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,680 The next morning, Sydney and Dakota's mom, Tracy, called her daughter to 204 00:18:22,759 --> 00:18:26,160 tell her that Sidney was missing. And you call your mom and like you 205 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:32,160 said, you know, Sydney's gone. M So what time do you go 206 00:18:32,279 --> 00:18:37,680 back to your house? I think his grandma dropped me off about noon. 207 00:18:38,039 --> 00:18:41,519 Chad leash worked about one. Takes them a little over an hour to get 208 00:18:41,559 --> 00:18:45,359 ready. And I think she took me and hand in my house at noon 209 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:51,599 because he went with us, dropped me off. Where's Chad work? Giltstairs 210 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:55,559 and Chester? Chad and Dakota had been dating for a while now, and 211 00:18:55,680 --> 00:19:02,519 things were as serious as serious guts and teenage land. Dakota was obsessed with 212 00:19:02,799 --> 00:19:08,680 Chad. He was her entire world. Tracy was not happy about any of 213 00:19:08,759 --> 00:19:14,599 this. Chad wasn't exactly the kind of guy you wanted your daughter to be 214 00:19:14,759 --> 00:19:19,759 dating. A guy named Chad never is right here. He was thuggish, 215 00:19:21,599 --> 00:19:25,599 moody, he was a troublemaker, and if that wasn't bad enough, he 216 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:32,519 ran his own gang called the Pee Town Saints. So what's the deal with 217 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:37,119 this? Explain this gang to me that they're all in I have no clue. 218 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:41,559 I find it stupid. And I told him that it's stupid because if 219 00:19:41,559 --> 00:19:44,039 you're gonna live in the down the five thousand people where the majority of the 220 00:19:44,079 --> 00:19:47,880 people a prisoners, you don't have a gang. Right. We forgot to 221 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:52,880 mention that about Pinckneyville. Even though the town has about five thousand people, 222 00:19:52,559 --> 00:19:59,480 twenty two hundred of those residents are actually inmates at a prison, but they 223 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,720 by themselves as a gang. I'm not quite sure. I think something happened 224 00:20:04,759 --> 00:20:10,119 with the cops and the cops started calling it a game. I don't remember 225 00:20:10,279 --> 00:20:18,720 really, Well, what uh, why would you think the cops would classify 226 00:20:18,799 --> 00:20:22,240 it as a gang? Because at first one I understood of it, it 227 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,039 was just a whole bunch of friends that had each other's back, and it 228 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:30,039 was just how any other friends that are. And then someone told the cops 229 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:34,200 they were spray painting and getting illegal weapons and illegal drugs. And then the 230 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,640 cops started saying that they were a gang after they talked to them, and 231 00:20:37,799 --> 00:20:41,839 now it's they thought, okay, well, who's the original gangsters? The 232 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:49,519 only ones I knew them were had Carl James, Nathan, and Billy. 233 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:56,519 Dakota was playing it down, but the Petown Saints took themselves very seriously. 234 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:03,359 Dakota had become the queen bee of their little crew right after she and Chad 235 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,839 became official. What an honor. See, every one of them know that 236 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,920 if me and Chat are together and they call, and then if I say 237 00:21:11,079 --> 00:21:17,079 no, that's how it goes until it goes, including because I'm Chad's girlfriend 238 00:21:17,079 --> 00:21:19,640 and I don't want him hanging out with someone, or if it's just supposed 239 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,839 to be me and him, if they have a problem with that, they 240 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,599 can take it up with me and then they So you know what that's telling 241 00:21:26,759 --> 00:21:33,000 me? You're the head girl in the gang. Dakota had become instantly cool 242 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,319 when she started dating Chad. That's what happens when you start dating at Chad, 243 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,519 you become instantly cool. Didn't you, ladies know that she was someone 244 00:21:41,839 --> 00:21:47,400 now to be feared and revered. You can be too, ladies. Just 245 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,799 go find yourself a Chad. Check the phone book. If y'all still know 246 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:57,839 what that is, I guess. But Dakota wasn't always a cool girl. 247 00:22:00,039 --> 00:22:06,359 When she was little, Dakota was extremely strange Tracy reported that for an entire 248 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,559 year when she was in grade school, Dakota was convinced that she was a 249 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:15,440 dog and insisted that everyone treat her like a pet. She didn't speak, 250 00:22:15,599 --> 00:22:22,680 She just barked, what is it dog kin or canine kin? Animal kin? 251 00:22:23,599 --> 00:22:29,720 These degenerate furries will stop at nothing. I'll tell you. After about 252 00:22:29,759 --> 00:22:36,000 a year of this nonsense, she stopped and went back to being herself again. 253 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,200 As Dakota grew into a teenager, she became moody and gravitated towards emo 254 00:22:41,519 --> 00:22:48,640 and punk. She was obsessed with Kurt Cobain and Twilight Brooks whatever that is. 255 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:56,039 Sydney really looked up to her big sister. She wanted to be just 256 00:22:56,279 --> 00:23:04,640 like her. About Chad, how was his relationship with Sydney? Where did 257 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:11,200 you always pick up? He didn't like Sydney a whole lot kind of. 258 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:15,359 I mean, he tolerated her because it was his girlfriend, Dakota's little sister. 259 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:22,920 You know, she never really there was just one or two times that 260 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:29,119 I can remember that they ever even like went together somewhere, like if Dakota 261 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:37,440 was going. I don't think Sydney ever went alone with Chad anywhere for she 262 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:44,759 liked him, but as far as him liking, I mean her that he 263 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:53,720 didn't really care for. Sydney was different because of her being bipolar, and 264 00:23:56,119 --> 00:24:02,799 she would Sidney was all about drama, and Chad seemed that he didn't want 265 00:24:02,839 --> 00:24:06,559 a lot to do with the drama. And I think I think more than 266 00:24:06,599 --> 00:24:10,880 anything, she just kind of got on his nerves. Tracy admitted that Chad 267 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:15,240 and Dakota would be annoyed if she asked them to keep an eye on Sydney. 268 00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:18,359 But the only thing that I think, what I was going to say 269 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,839 earlier is the only thing that I could think of that Chad why he wouldn't 270 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,480 like her, Because with Sydney being bipolar, there were times like whenever I'd 271 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,640 go to work, or if I had plans to go and do something or 272 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:33,359 whatever, Dakota wasn't able to go and do what she wanted to do because 273 00:24:33,519 --> 00:24:37,039 I would have to have her stay with Sydney. Not all the time. 274 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:42,559 There was dependent on how Sydney's mood was and how she'd acted days before as 275 00:24:42,599 --> 00:24:45,519 to whether or not I would leave her by herself or if I would make 276 00:24:45,559 --> 00:24:51,400 sure that Dakota was with her. Then the police got a hold of Chad, 277 00:24:52,079 --> 00:24:55,480 So I understand her Dakoe's voice, und was it right? Yeah? 278 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,960 And how long have you had Dakota been together? On the twentieth of this 279 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,960 month, it'll be year and a half. Okay, So you've been around 280 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,519 Sydney for a little while during that time frame. Yes, sir, I 281 00:25:06,599 --> 00:25:11,000 didn't really talk to her too much. I mean that's just every now and 282 00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:14,559 then we'd have little conversations like saying, my old lady was in the shower, 283 00:25:15,759 --> 00:25:18,920 you know, something like that. So did you and Dakota ever hang 284 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,720 out with her and her boyfriends or anything? You guys never went to places 285 00:25:22,759 --> 00:25:26,079 together or anything like that. No, she was really jealous of me and 286 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,200 Dakota like what we had because we've lasted for so long, and her boyfriends 287 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:36,839 the last for maybe a week if that. Chad claimed that Sidney would go 288 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:41,359 through boyfriends quickly and that he didn't really know any of them except that time 289 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:48,599 she dated his good friend Carl Daneus, who was her boyfriend that she'd been 290 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,200 seeing over the last four or five or six months. Anybody in particular, 291 00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:56,759 Well, I know she was with my body Carl for maybe two weeks. 292 00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:03,960 Carl, Carl dan yeah, because they were together for a little bit, 293 00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:07,480 like I said, maybe two two and a half weeks, you know. 294 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,720 But I know as soon as her and Carl broke up, she got real 295 00:26:11,799 --> 00:26:15,400 mad at him because he's the one that lent Turkish she did whatever? And 296 00:26:15,599 --> 00:26:21,480 at what time frame they had been in without happened with Carl where their own 297 00:26:21,759 --> 00:26:26,559 before Sharan went the first time, The police decided they should get in touch 298 00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:33,440 with Carl Dane see if he knew anything about what happened to Sydney. But 299 00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:37,519 before they reached him, they got a call from Sydney's older brother, who 300 00:26:37,599 --> 00:26:42,440 said that when he ran into Carl a day prior, Carl had told him 301 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:48,839 that he witnessed Sydney's murder. Carl Dane was a greasy teenager with a shaggy 302 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:56,720 mushroom cut and a red goat tee. The cops were familiar with Carl Dane. 303 00:26:56,799 --> 00:27:00,599 He had been arrested for minor charges over the year or is, mostly 304 00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:04,319 drugs and stealing, so they brought him in for you know, a little 305 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,680 chat. We don't know what you know about what I happened to see. 306 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:15,079 I don't know did you talk to anybody last night? I said? Did 307 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:22,519 you talk to anybody about Sydney's family recently? I turned to her brother yesterday 308 00:27:23,079 --> 00:27:27,079 of the Donald's. Okay, And what did you tell her brother yesterday? 309 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:32,880 Mc donalds? Nothing? Really? He was asking if I knew anything, 310 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:37,440 and I said I didn't. So you didn't tell her brother that you witnessed 311 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:42,440 the whole thing? You're sure about that? Yeah, I didn't tell him 312 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,920 that. I didn't tell him that. What did you tell him? I 313 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,200 told them I didn't know anything about it? Well, I mean, I 314 00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:55,079 don't think that's pretty far off from I mean, go see. Statements are 315 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:59,240 just complete opposite, aren't they. So how can anybody make a mistake about 316 00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:03,160 what what you said? I don't know. So did he get mad at 317 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,920 you after you talked to him? You seem pretty pissed while I was talking. 318 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:14,079 Why did you seem so pissed? It's it's his sister that all this 319 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,440 shit happened too. I'll be pasted if something having my sister too. Cross 320 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:23,000 story was suspicious and he was acting sweaty and strange. She seemed pretty nervous. 321 00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:27,720 Is there any particular reason when you're nervous? I'm not really no, 322 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,079 I don't really like being in caup stations. Did you use today, Sydney? 323 00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:40,400 Yeah, when late March, early Airpril? How long about week? 324 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,160 One week? Why did it in so quick? Well, she got mad 325 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,599 one day because I didn't take her fishing and she just left, you know. 326 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,160 So I went up to school next day and I'm like, if Wena 327 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:59,680 act like, hey, you know, we're done. So you broke up 328 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,000 with her and she didn't break up a youth, Yeah, basically, So 329 00:29:03,079 --> 00:29:06,839 if you ever make any says somebody, anybody about being mad at Sydney, 330 00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:08,880 I was mad at her for a little bit, but I got over it. 331 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:11,799 Why were you mad at her? Since you broke up with her? 332 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:18,359 Just the way she acted when we already had which was how she didn't get 333 00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:22,359 it where she got mad. Carl said that he and Sydney only dated for 334 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:29,799 a week or so and that they did normal couple stuff. The relationship wasn't 335 00:29:29,839 --> 00:29:32,839 that big of a deal. Where did you and Sydney go? Since you 336 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,160 were dating at the time? Set up at the park? You know, 337 00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:41,279 when I city Lake, No, I'm out at her house. The longer 338 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,200 the detectives talked to Carl, the more they realized he was just a nervous, 339 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:53,119 lying teenager, You remember where you were on Sunday ninety was a hay 340 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,079 teeth. I was sitting at home. It's a pretty quick cancer. How 341 00:29:57,119 --> 00:30:00,960 do you know where you were that long ago? I just remembered, you 342 00:30:02,039 --> 00:30:06,079 know, I remember what I'm doing, you know everyone once in a while. 343 00:30:07,119 --> 00:30:11,119 Carl claimed he was home with his friend James Glazier. Nothing happened, 344 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:17,599 they just hung out. Carl wove a story as he nervously tapped his toe 345 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,920 and stuttered, what did you hear about what happened to her? About her 346 00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:33,279 missing Monday afternoon, this last Monday or money before before. I had to 347 00:30:33,359 --> 00:30:37,519 find that out, Chad. And he's like, you know, Sidney missing, 348 00:30:41,079 --> 00:30:48,119 and what did you find out that Sidney was? Sydney was dead just 349 00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:53,559 a couple of days ago. You know it was on news. Nobody told 350 00:30:53,599 --> 00:30:59,359 you. You just saw it on the news. Nobody's talking about it since 351 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:04,960 then. Really. After the interview, detectives took Karl back to his grandfather's 352 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,480 house, where he'd been living for a while. When they walked onto the 353 00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:15,160 property, the police were taken through the garage and spotted something jarring. A 354 00:31:15,319 --> 00:31:25,480 pile of cinder blocks and the same orange ratchet straps, the exact same two 355 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:33,599 things that had been tied to Sydney's dead body in the creek. They immediately 356 00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:37,599 arrested Carl and took him back to the station before they even read him his 357 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:48,400 rights again. Carl said this all right, they were just tell me in 358 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,759 there, man, Okay, man, you can tell me how years of 359 00:31:51,799 --> 00:31:56,160 people looking at a fause guy? What's that? Wait to tell you? 360 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,920 Hears other looking at a fause guy if he was a guy? Well, 361 00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:02,559 you're the guy, you mean. We'll talk about that. Let him come 362 00:32:02,599 --> 00:32:06,880 in. We'll talk about it all together. Okay, show me how you 363 00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:12,319 confess to a murder without actually confessing to a murder. That's how. What 364 00:32:12,519 --> 00:32:15,799 is it you need to tell us I personally killed her? You were the 365 00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:20,920 person that killed Sidney Steve Sidney Stevens. And how did you do that? 366 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:29,279 Oh? Well, neither of the doors were unlocked, so I climbed up 367 00:32:29,319 --> 00:32:32,960 on the porch. That door was unlost, So I walked down there. 368 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:43,039 Uh you're talking about Sidney Town, Okay, walked downstairs where she really was 369 00:32:43,079 --> 00:32:46,640 at. Yeah, she was there that night, so I woke her up, 370 00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:51,960 told her, hey, let's go. She didn't want to, So 371 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:58,000 I choked her out and in the car? Who's car? My car? 372 00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:04,519 Carl spoke quietly as he confessed to kidnapping Sydney out of her bedroom that Saturday 373 00:33:04,599 --> 00:33:08,880 night and stuffing her into his car. When you say you choked her out, 374 00:33:09,599 --> 00:33:14,559 what do you mean by that? So passed out with your hands, 375 00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:21,519 and she didn't try to struggle or anything. She tried, didn't scratch, 376 00:33:21,559 --> 00:33:23,839 you didn't do nothing like that. You're shaking your head. No, no, 377 00:33:24,079 --> 00:33:30,000 she didn't. So who else was in the car? Nobody? Okay? 378 00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:36,440 So did you try to restrain her anyway? Put her in the trunk 379 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,599 to the bridge, shot her a couple of times, pushed her off? 380 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:44,279 What car were you in? The Pontiac? Is your grandpa's plan at? 381 00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:46,960 Did you shoot her while she was in the car? Where did you shoot 382 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:52,079 her atten? I'm not really pretty sure. I didn't see where bulls And 383 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,680 where was she at the bridge? Was she passed out there or was she 384 00:33:55,759 --> 00:34:00,400 awake? She was passed out? Was she still breathing? I did see 385 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:06,240 it didn't sting like it. Carl said that after he shot Sydney and threw 386 00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:10,079 her off the bridge, he went back a few days later with that ratchet 387 00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:15,760 strap and the cinder block so he could tie it to her and keep her 388 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:21,159 under the water. And how many times did you shoot? I shot four 389 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,559 times. I don't know how many times I hit? Shot four times? 390 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:30,559 With what twenty two pistol? Where's that pistol at bottom of the lake? 391 00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:35,440 What? Like? I'm I'm too sure it's somewhere apparent it? Could you 392 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,480 show it? Show us? I really can't remember where it's at. I 393 00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:45,320 went on and got it, frum my player, Okay, where did you 394 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:51,440 get the twenty two pistol? Found it? Well? I know you didn't 395 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:57,440 find any. But what did that pistol look like? It looks like a 396 00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:06,280 old time luker? What is it? Ruy Ruger? Twenty two? While 397 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,119 a Sundays you decided to do this at this point? What what triggered it? 398 00:35:10,519 --> 00:35:14,039 Did you say you're somewhere or something? Or I don't really know. 399 00:35:14,119 --> 00:35:17,159 I just heard she was a snitch? Okay? And is there something she 400 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:23,280 snitch on you about? Nothing I can think about friends. Who's your friend 401 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,639 James? James, the one that we talked about being a pot dealer earlier? 402 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:35,519 What was his last name? Pleaser Carl's story wasn't adding up. It 403 00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:38,719 would have been very tough for him to handle this operation all on his own. 404 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:45,679 Not impossible, but it's unlikely. Plus, by his own admission, 405 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:51,679 Carl dated Sydney for a week before they broke up. That's not much of 406 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:57,159 a motive to murder someone, even for teenagers. The cops knew Karl was 407 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,960 a part of the pe Town Saints when they brought in James Glazier, they 408 00:36:01,079 --> 00:36:07,079 found out he was also in the gang. James, I know at one 409 00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:12,159 time he was part of a gang. Right, what's the name of that 410 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,159 gang? Petown states? Are you still part of that gang? Yes, 411 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,360 you are still part of that gang? And what's your affiliation with the gang? 412 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:27,599 I am the head of the DoD and demand. With his childlike speech 413 00:36:27,639 --> 00:36:34,000 impediment, James seemed years younger than he actually was. I mean he sounded 414 00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:39,760 like about twelve and not seventeen. But in the grand scheme of things, 415 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:45,840 these boys were all still kids. Their brains were not fully developed yet, 416 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:54,000 and here they were at the police station being questioned about a murder. That's 417 00:36:54,039 --> 00:37:00,079 some great parenting, guys. James took his duty as heads of the p 418 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:06,280 Town Saints very seriously, and told the cops the basic rules of the gang. 419 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:12,159 We don't hit women, we don't lie to each other, we don't 420 00:37:12,199 --> 00:37:15,360 steal from each other, and we'll always by each other's side, no matter 421 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,119 what you said, your third in command. Here's the two ahead of you, 422 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:24,760 Colin Jed Carl, who dang? See, how do you mean he's 423 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:30,079 ahead of you? He's second in command? Okay? And what's his title? 424 00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:37,159 Second command? What's his duties? He's one high of me, so 425 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:44,000 he makes sure I do my duties. I'm keeping everybody else. And here's 426 00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:47,280 this other guy you're talking about, Jad Benner, and what's the O G. 427 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:54,880 And he's top original gamest. James said he was at Carl's house the 428 00:37:55,000 --> 00:38:00,440 night that Sidney disappeared. In fact, James had been living at Carl's grandpa's 429 00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:06,440 house for weeks. Now that the cops had Carl's confession, they knew that 430 00:38:06,679 --> 00:38:12,000 James was wrapped up in this too. To my knowledge, your name has 431 00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:15,000 been brought up, and now you're gonna be charging. You're not going to 432 00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:17,840 leave here. That's not the time to play games. The game, so 433 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,360 else the time for the truth. If you want to talk to us, 434 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,000 we're more than happy to talk to you to get to the bottom of it, 435 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:29,079 because that little girl did not deserve what happened to her. I know 436 00:38:29,159 --> 00:38:31,719 what you're talking about. I didn't want to know. One the people that 437 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:36,719 was there with you said you was there and used in on it. I 438 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,559 didn't do anything. I wasn't Nowell, I was at Carl's. He was 439 00:38:40,639 --> 00:38:45,440 with Carl. You know where Carl is. No, I think he does, 440 00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:50,320 moms. No, he's sitting back here. He is in jail for 441 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:55,440 what you think he is charged with? First he said he did with first 442 00:38:55,519 --> 00:38:59,920 degree murder. Would he do it when you was with it? When you 443 00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:02,559 was with him? He said you was, and he said here, said 444 00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:05,880 he was with him the whole time. Yeah, for the last three weeks 445 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,119 you've been with me. He left his sight. Everything he's done, you've 446 00:39:08,159 --> 00:39:14,920 done. That's when James asked to stop and have an attorney present. The 447 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,320 cops agreed and left the room. After a while, they came back and 448 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,239 James changed his mind. He didn't want a lawyer. He was willing to 449 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:29,840 talk. He just wanted his mom there with him, so they brought her 450 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,719 into the room. Oh you don't want to you need to? I think 451 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,480 No, matter what. You know what, she didn't need to talk with 452 00:39:36,599 --> 00:39:38,719 the cops. And I think that's the only say to keep Carl from hurting 453 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:47,360 you. Okay, okay, James, So you want to talk to us 454 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:52,880 now, right? Is the any like I do? But he's scary, 455 00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:57,320 James, there's no you can't. You know what the word to equivocate means. 456 00:39:57,599 --> 00:40:00,519 No, Well, there's no, there's no compromise, okay. In 457 00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:05,159 other words, you either want to talk to us or you don't want to 458 00:40:05,199 --> 00:40:09,960 talk to us. Okay, I'll talk talk. He's in jail. He 459 00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:15,519 can't help me. He's in jail. Okay, he's on his lation. 460 00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:23,440 James confessed everything. Carl hadn't done this alone, and there was another boy 461 00:40:23,519 --> 00:40:29,800 there from the gang, Robbie Mueller. They all drove to Sydney's house in 462 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:38,000 Carl's grandpa's car. Literal children murdering other children. He told us on the 463 00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:40,920 way what he is doing, and he said, if we have a talk, 464 00:40:43,079 --> 00:40:45,840 we were dead. Okay. What did he say? He told you 465 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,519 what we were going to do. What did he say? He told us 466 00:40:47,559 --> 00:40:52,559 that we were this takes in the kill. He told us we will go 467 00:40:52,679 --> 00:40:57,400 in to you, and he had his pants a twenty two pistol and if 468 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,119 we didn't cooperate, he would shoot us on the spot. When they got 469 00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:07,320 to Sydney's house, James and Carl snuck in together while Robbie waited outside as 470 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:08,800 the lookout. Do you know what I mean? He told me to wake 471 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:13,199 her up and the table RUPs. I tried, tried to run and scream. 472 00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:15,159 What kind of tape do you have? I had very little, like 473 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:21,000 white tape, yes, okay? And then what happened? You have those 474 00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:23,400 some Tracy that wake up together? Tracy woke up cold and shot. I 475 00:41:23,679 --> 00:41:28,360 wanted he killed Tracy? How did you know that that Carl was gonna shoot 476 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,679 Tracy? And she told us before we walked in, and he said, 477 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:35,119 no, leave, no witnesses. James tried to get Sidney to come with 478 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,639 them, but she fought this would be quiet. She started walking and I 479 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:44,119 taped her hands up so told me to and I started taking my mouth. 480 00:41:44,159 --> 00:41:45,519 When she read it and saw your mom, I had to stop, but 481 00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:52,079 glad anyone, Tracy died. That's when James and Robbie tackled Sidney and choked 482 00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:57,400 her until she passed out. Then Robbie and Carl dragged her out the door 483 00:41:57,599 --> 00:42:04,360 while James pulled the car around. They shoved Sydney's limp body inside and Carl 484 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,360 took over in the driver's seat. And then we got back in the call 485 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:12,039 and Carl told us that if we would talk he made this clip, he 486 00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:16,519 would kill us on the spot. He did. Where'd you guys go? 487 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:23,480 We went down to almost a cutch town down by the bridge. I closed 488 00:42:23,519 --> 00:42:28,519 my eyes. Robbie toned around and called put like full shots. I hold. 489 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:34,039 Carl shot Sidney and then gave his instructions. He pointed to you know 490 00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:36,440 what, me and Robbie told us to put your rig and we did. 491 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,000 He told me to kick right here and told Robbie push right here, and 492 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:42,519 when I did, the whole body went with the head. James and Robbie 493 00:42:42,639 --> 00:42:47,639 kicked Sidney's lifeless body through the rails and she tumbled down into the water with 494 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:54,039 a splash. The boys got in the car and left. So then when 495 00:42:54,079 --> 00:43:01,000 you get it went back buried the gun and the clothes, or does that 496 00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:07,599 you buried again? We buried it behind the ship. One the ship calls 497 00:43:07,679 --> 00:43:12,199 Draffles house. Do you know we've got the gun? Yeah, listen to 498 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:17,519 James's reaction here. He's truly shocked that the cops found the gun they buried. 499 00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:27,440 Teenagers can be so fucking shortsighted, literally stupid, yet they think they're 500 00:43:27,519 --> 00:43:34,800 so much smarter than everyone else. Have you noticed after burying the gun, 501 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,679 they buried all the clothes they were wearing, along with their latex gloves, 502 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:45,039 and nobody will find those. Just like Carl had confessed, they came back 503 00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:51,400 a few days later and attached the cinder block and ratchet straps to Sydney's body. 504 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,079 I did not really feel like touch on the body, I was saying 505 00:43:54,119 --> 00:43:59,360 anything, so I dis drapped, like right here or yeah, and throw 506 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:00,519 it in. Well, how did you get to her? She was in 507 00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:05,559 the water, She was underneath the bridge, and she flowed back up towards 508 00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:08,440 to the land. The detectives wanted to know if Chad knew about this, 509 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:16,880 after all, he was their gang leader, the original gangsta. Since Chad's 510 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:22,239 the leader, one te you know about this, I think I'm pretty sure 511 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,519 he probably knows you knew. I don't know if he was the one who 512 00:44:24,679 --> 00:44:28,440 told Carla to do it. Oh, Carl told Chad he was doing it, 513 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,039 But I think Chad might have knew. I mean, I don't know 514 00:44:32,199 --> 00:44:37,840 though, because Coda is Chad's girlfriend, right was there was there ever a 515 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:44,360 time that you go, You and Carl and Chad talked about this in front 516 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:49,480 of Dakota. She was sleeping one time, and me and Cole will talk 517 00:44:49,519 --> 00:44:51,639 about it. I don't know if Chad was paying attention. She was in 518 00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,079 the back on shadwell, I think they were sleeping. Menaul were talking about 519 00:44:54,079 --> 00:45:00,480 it in the front now, me and Cole talking and Chad and Coda fact 520 00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:06,159 and they both had eyes posed on so it was and Dakota, ah well, 521 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,199 Dakota had claimed she knew nothing about any of this, even though she 522 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:15,400 was the Queen of the Pe Town Saints. But then Tracy said something in 523 00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:20,719 passing that stopped the detectives dead in their tracks. Sydney wrote a lot of 524 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:27,679 things down, thoughts, feelings, things that were kind of weird in my 525 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:35,280 opinion. There had been rumors a while back, and somewhere written down in 526 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,559 a notebook that Dakota come across. It said something about at one point in 527 00:45:39,679 --> 00:45:45,199 time Sydney had slept with Chad. The Dakota played it off like she was 528 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:51,480 the most confident girl in the world. She was always a little skeptical of 529 00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:54,840 Chad when it came to other girls. Do you ever look at social No, 530 00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:00,280 Okay, yes, I was gonna say, it's only to see we 531 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,519 text, but most of the time it's just text messages for me. Okay, 532 00:46:04,599 --> 00:46:07,199 did you look at his phone that night? No? When was the 533 00:46:07,559 --> 00:46:09,320 When did you look at it last time? I looked at an over of 534 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:15,599 months since I looked at it, cause there's been I've heard sometimes that he 535 00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:16,719 was cheating on me. So I was looking there was going to see anything, 536 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,360 and I never seen anything. Mm. But it was just people during 537 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:25,320 the start stuff. Sometimes people aren't starting stuff some people. Sometimes they just 538 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:30,760 don't know how to go about. Yeah, telling somebody that they know that 539 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:35,039 they like, that they care about that. This guy could be a cree 540 00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:38,559 bow and he's messing around on you. M I hope he was somewhat. 541 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,480 What would happen if he was messing around on me, I'd be very very 542 00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:50,599 very upset. Yeah. If Dakota admitted she would be very very very upset 543 00:46:50,639 --> 00:46:55,119 if Chad cheated on her with another girl. How much rage would fill her 544 00:46:55,800 --> 00:47:44,239 if she thought that girl was her own little sister? Sydney Stephens was a 545 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:50,760 troubled teen with bipolar disorder and a history of running away from home, but 546 00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:55,840 this time she'd really gone missing. She was found dead in a creek, 547 00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,719 and her ex boyfriend Carl Dane, along with his friends James Glazier and Robbie 548 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:07,039 Mueller, had admitted to kidnapping and murdering Sydney. The boys all belonged to 549 00:48:07,199 --> 00:48:12,320 a gang named the pe Town Saints, and the head of the gang, 550 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:19,039 Chad Bennett, also happened to be Sidney's older sister's boyfriend. Carl, James, 551 00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:24,440 and Robbie were all arrested for Sydney's murder, but it was still unclear 552 00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:31,119 as to who truly killed Sydney. James confess to choking Sidney until she passed 553 00:48:31,159 --> 00:48:37,119 out, while Carl admitted to shooting her. However, if she was already 554 00:48:37,199 --> 00:48:42,599 dead when Carl shot her, then James was the one who actually caused her 555 00:48:42,679 --> 00:48:49,159 initial death, not Carl. The police needed to figure this out, if 556 00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:54,760 only for the benefit of the family. Sydney's sister, Dakota, and Chad 557 00:48:54,960 --> 00:49:01,599 basically walked free. Dakota was arrested briefly for obstructing an investigation. But was 558 00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:07,559 released. There was nothing concrete tying them to the murder other than the suspected 559 00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:15,400 motive and their affiliation. Carl, James and Robbie didn't have any real motive 560 00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:20,960 to murder Sydney either, other than the fact that they didn't like her. 561 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,920 But Dakota had a motive. She thought Sydney had slept with Chad, and 562 00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,960 she was sick of the fact that she had to babysit her sister's mental illness 563 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:37,280 all of the fucking time. While Carl, James and Robbie sat in jail, 564 00:49:38,039 --> 00:49:44,039 Dakota and Chad went on living their lives. They even talked about getting 565 00:49:44,119 --> 00:49:50,400 married. Tracy was beside herself because Chad got Dakota something for her birthday that 566 00:49:50,519 --> 00:49:53,880 costs over eight hundred dollars and she thinks it's an engagement room. Dakota was 567 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:59,280 about to turn eighteen, and Tracy knew that her daughter would no longer be 568 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,559 under her legal guardianship. I'm here to death that she's going to take off 569 00:50:02,599 --> 00:50:07,840 and go Mary Chad in twelve thirteen more days. Like the police, Tracy 570 00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:15,199 also had a feeling that he was behind Sydney's murder plot, so Tracy asked 571 00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:22,199 her boyfriend's daughter to try to talk with Dakota, and I had text Laura 572 00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:27,079 and a couple other family members asking them to please talk to some senten to 573 00:50:27,159 --> 00:50:30,639 her to not marry this jerk, basically because I've talked to her until I'm 574 00:50:30,639 --> 00:50:34,880 purple in the face and it gets me nowhere. Well, Laura, instead 575 00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,639 of calling to talk to her, actually came out to mine in Randy's house 576 00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:44,159 this evening inside outside for a couple of hours, actually, at least outside 577 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:50,519 with nobody else around. And she more opened up to Laura than she has 578 00:50:50,599 --> 00:50:53,960 with me or anything else. She would say things about Chad and how much 579 00:50:54,039 --> 00:51:01,559 his involvement was, and Dakota would either agree or disagree with what she was 580 00:51:01,639 --> 00:51:07,599 saying. The cops got Laura on the phone and she relayed what Dakota had 581 00:51:07,679 --> 00:51:15,599 confessed. I said, but if Chad is so innocent, then let the 582 00:51:15,679 --> 00:51:20,039 evidence proves that he's innocent and you have nothing to worry about. I said, 583 00:51:20,079 --> 00:51:23,679 but you're sitting here worried right now, so correct me if I'm wrong. 584 00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,679 As she has kind of looked at and she started bawling, and I 585 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:34,880 said, you know more than people know. You know, and I know 586 00:51:35,039 --> 00:51:38,400 that, I said, and I have known that, and she just all 587 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,360 she do is kind of shake her head yeah, shake her head yeah, 588 00:51:42,519 --> 00:51:45,599 shake her head yeah. And I said, now you tell me, is 589 00:51:45,679 --> 00:51:51,320 it fair You want to keep your boyfriend but your mom didn't get to keep 590 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,280 her daughter. And I just kind of and it sounds horrible because I was 591 00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,960 crying too. Honest to god, I do care about the girl, but 592 00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:00,360 I just kind of kept and it sounds mean, but I just kept kind 593 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,760 of breaking her down and breaking her down and breaking her down. And I 594 00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:07,400 said, now, look, let me help you. I can help you. 595 00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:10,400 I can help you have a future. You can go to college, 596 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:15,239 you can you know all the reality of things I said. Or you can 597 00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:19,280 keep things the way they are and either end up in prison because you look 598 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:23,440 like a liar because you're not talking, or end up in a mental institution 599 00:52:23,519 --> 00:52:28,440 because it'll fester at you and that you'll lose your mind. Dakota was a 600 00:52:28,639 --> 00:52:34,880 scared little girl pretending to be tough, so she told Laura she would talk 601 00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:39,039 to the cops on her terms. She's like anti authority, seventeen year old 602 00:52:39,079 --> 00:52:44,000 kid. She doesn't want it to be an investor or an interrogation on her, 603 00:52:44,679 --> 00:52:49,159 and I told her it wouldn't it'd be polite questions being asked, Okay, 604 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:53,559 you know what about this? You know? And she it really needs 605 00:52:53,599 --> 00:52:59,719 to be anonymous as possible because she's scared. I think there's more than she 606 00:53:00,159 --> 00:53:02,280 let on to me, because she didn't say a whole lot, but she 607 00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:07,599 would agree or disagree. There was a lot more than Dakota led on, 608 00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:12,239 and everyone was about to find out. In the fall of twenty twelve, 609 00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:19,639 Robbie Mueller decided to give a profer statement to police, clarifying who actually killed 610 00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:25,000 Sidney that night and why they all plotted her murder. Maybe Robbie was trying 611 00:53:25,039 --> 00:53:30,880 to save his own butt, but maybe he was telling the truth. The 612 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:36,360 state needed to charge these kids. Sydney needed justice, and this would get 613 00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:40,280 them one step closer. I was by the door and they walked up to 614 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:45,119 her. James went to was to tape on her mouth, and she took 615 00:53:45,199 --> 00:53:47,800 it off and stood up, and I guess thought it was a joke because 616 00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:53,159 she just like normal, and then actuating was going on, and then Carl 617 00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:59,880 had to get a point at her, and that's when she kind of flipped 618 00:54:00,039 --> 00:54:04,519 out and James grabbed her and they wrestled to the ground and everything, and 619 00:54:05,559 --> 00:54:09,920 Carl walked over towards me and stood by me, and uh, she was 620 00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:15,039 kind of out wrestling and everything, and Carl told me help them, and 621 00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:24,440 I went over and I put her in a chokehold. Sure, and she 622 00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:30,559 went unconscious. This is just so sick and vicious. These boys had a 623 00:54:30,679 --> 00:54:37,360 rule in their gang no hitting women, yet kidnapping and choking a woman until 624 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:42,599 she passed out was somehow acceptable. Sorry to bring her outside, right, 625 00:54:42,639 --> 00:54:45,880 I forgot the door. She woke up again, she said, put her 626 00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:53,039 in it again. I did, and we ended up stumbling over. I 627 00:54:53,079 --> 00:54:55,559 guess where the fire was at or something like that, because I know I 628 00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:01,920 tripped and fell on my back and James ended up putting her choke hold and 629 00:55:04,599 --> 00:55:08,840 kept it on her for quite a long time. He put her in chropuli 630 00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:15,239 in and held it for several minutes, and uh he stopped checked her poles 631 00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:20,760 and there wasn't one. It must be three four minutes. I'm guessing. 632 00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:27,880 According to Robbie, it was James who killed Sidney with his chokehold. If 633 00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:32,519 Sidney was dead when they put her in the car, then Carl's gunshots were 634 00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:37,679 not murdered. Robbie also told the cops that the Pe Town Saints had some 635 00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:44,239 rules everyone had to follow. Yeah, you're not supposed to talk to myself 636 00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:49,559 with the phone. Uh, I'm not supposed to stay with Sidney, which 637 00:55:49,599 --> 00:55:52,440 I would. It was part of the game's rules. Or excuse me, 638 00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:58,400 the Pe Town Saints rules. You couldn't talk to certain people, and one 639 00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,880 of them was Sydney. Yeah, it was unclear as to who made this 640 00:56:01,079 --> 00:56:06,480 rule, Dakota, Chad, or Carl, but it was a rule that 641 00:56:06,599 --> 00:56:13,079 the gang had written down on paper and told every member to memorize and follow. 642 00:56:14,159 --> 00:56:19,920 Robbie then said that he heard Chad, James and Carl planning Sydney's kidnapping 643 00:56:20,679 --> 00:56:25,320 and murder. It was Carl, James and Chad as my Chad's truck, 644 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,320 and I went in and use the bathroom. When I came out, it 645 00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,599 was staying by his truck and I The only words I ever heard was tell 646 00:56:31,639 --> 00:56:36,000 me when you want to do it, and I'll make sure Dakota leaves the 647 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:40,360 door locked. Did you hear that I'll make sure Dakota leaves the door unlocked. 648 00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:46,079 James, Carl, and Robbie were all looking at life sentences. If 649 00:56:46,119 --> 00:56:52,440 they could prove their involvement, Chad and Dakota could face the same. The 650 00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:59,119 town was disgusted with this savage murder, and the state wanted these bullies to 651 00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:04,599 pay. About a week after Robbie's proffer statement, the cops had to Coda 652 00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:10,119 back in to talk. Now, she had dyed pink hair and it was 653 00:57:10,199 --> 00:57:15,800 cut short. She looked skinny and sickly as she sat down. Here's the 654 00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:23,480 thing. Jessica tells us that you made a statement about you knew that they 655 00:57:23,559 --> 00:57:30,440 were going to try to scare city and I murder. Jessica tells us that, 656 00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:38,480 okay. Jessica also tells us that you unlocked the door for Cad, 657 00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:43,199 the sliding glass door, remember on the balcony. She said, you guys 658 00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,119 talked about that. Now you remember when I talked to you about that. 659 00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:52,679 You never would admit to me that you unlocked the door for cat. Okay, 660 00:57:53,559 --> 00:58:00,199 why would Jessica tell you did? Tell us she has nothing to the 661 00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:06,119 game. She has nothing the game. She didn't because saying what is the 662 00:58:07,239 --> 00:58:13,840 reason she's saying that is she's saying that you believed that this is supposed to 663 00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:15,920 what you told her, is that you believe that they were going to come 664 00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:22,400 and scare scared as of the sleeping deal with Chad, with Sydney and Jed 665 00:58:22,679 --> 00:58:25,639 possibly sleeping together. I hold, let me finish and then you can go. 666 00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:32,360 Well. She was briefly locked up. Dakota confessed to her cellmate that 667 00:58:32,519 --> 00:58:37,320 she had left the door unlocked so the boys could scare Sydney, and she 668 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:45,679 did it because her sister had slept with Chad. She's saying, you did 669 00:58:45,719 --> 00:58:52,000 it, something could come in and scare not to kill her. And you 670 00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:57,880 know she's she's not adding to this, she's saying, you know if she 671 00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,400 even says in her statement she told me that if she knew that they were 672 00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:06,519 going to kill her sister, that she wouldn't have done it. I mean, 673 00:59:06,599 --> 00:59:10,599 that's too detail. This doesn't make sense with what you're saying. I 674 00:59:10,679 --> 00:59:15,480 see. I don't remember telling her that though. And this one here, 675 00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:22,079 she says that you come in and told how much you hated your sister and 676 00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:27,519 was glad that she was gone. She asked me why I was in jail, 677 00:59:27,719 --> 00:59:30,480 and I told her what it was for, and I said, well, 678 00:59:30,519 --> 00:59:31,880 I think it's so I have a lot to do with my mom and 679 00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:35,199 she was like, well why, I was like, well, I was 680 00:59:35,239 --> 00:59:37,199 like, my mom thinks that I wanted my sister did because she was apparently 681 00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,280 sleeping with my boyfriend. But I never knew if it was true or not. 682 00:59:40,519 --> 00:59:44,599 It's what I told her, And then she asked me if I believed 683 00:59:44,639 --> 00:59:45,800 it. I told her I really didn't know, because I knew that she 684 00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:49,679 had taught me too poor, But I didn't think that Sydney would want to 685 00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,920 do that to hurt me. Well, Dakota was whimpering to the officers. 686 00:59:53,719 --> 00:59:59,119 Chad was down the hall and they were about to arrest them. You think 687 00:59:59,199 --> 01:00:02,079 Chad is going to protect anymore? Is it doing it to begin with? 688 01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:08,679 Well, you know, I think Chad was protecting itself at the beginning on 689 01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:13,199 those interviews that we conducted with him, and I also think he was protecting 690 01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:19,280 you. But what you have to understand is Chad isn't ready to be arrested 691 01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:23,519 right now too. One of these days, was Chad gonna tell us that's 692 01:00:23,559 --> 01:00:29,000 gonna hurt you down the road, And that's what she said then too. 693 01:00:29,159 --> 01:00:32,280 But he may say something like that, but you know what, you're the 694 01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,800 one that's here first, right now with us, and you're the one that 695 01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,960 can make it right. First. You're the one that's you know, you're 696 01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:45,880 the one that's been hurting this entire to You're the one is living with this 697 01:00:45,239 --> 01:00:52,280 your entire So what is it? What is it? What do I need 698 01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:59,559 to? What did he ask you? The police pressed Dakota for hours until 699 01:00:59,639 --> 01:01:05,960 she finally cracked. It took two years, but she admitted to the truth. 700 01:01:07,119 --> 01:01:13,400 What did you do to that door? Tell me, huh, what 701 01:01:13,519 --> 01:01:19,960 did you do it? Okay, look at you. Take your hands away 702 01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:28,800 in your mouth and look at me. What you do and you unlocked the 703 01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:32,000 door? I don't want to be post to clear on something about this door. 704 01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:36,599 Okay, you're telling the truth when you say that you have left it 705 01:01:36,719 --> 01:01:39,559 unlocked, which I had asked you to. Is that right? And that's 706 01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:43,760 the only reason you're telling, says because it's the truth. I don't want 707 01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:47,000 it to be because that's what we've been talking about the whole time. Is 708 01:01:47,079 --> 01:01:54,079 it the truth or not? The p town Saints had planned Sydney's kidnapping and 709 01:01:54,320 --> 01:02:01,440 murder together. Dakota was aware. Even though she didn't know everything, She 710 01:02:01,599 --> 01:02:08,519 unlocked the door so they could execute their plan. James strangled Sidney until she 711 01:02:08,719 --> 01:02:15,239 was dead. Carl drove the car and shot Sydney. Robbie was forced to 712 01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:21,079 go along at gunpoint. All the boys together rolled Sydney into the creek and 713 01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:29,079 tied her down with a cinder block and Chad. Chad allegedly provided the guns. 714 01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:35,679 Chad organized the plan, Chad motivated his crew, but Chad kept his 715 01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:42,599 hands clean. He was the og after all, he didn't have to get 716 01:02:42,639 --> 01:02:46,000 his hands dirty. He just had to point his finger and say go. 717 01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:52,920 Fifteen year old Robbie Mueller took a reduced sentence for his proffer statement. He 718 01:02:53,079 --> 01:02:58,559 was originally given twenty six years, but after some complications with his lawyer, 719 01:02:59,159 --> 01:03:05,159 the appeal, and a heartfelt court date where he received Tracy Stevens forgiveness, 720 01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:12,320 he was given a lighter sentence. He will be out this year. James 721 01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:19,119 Glazier got sixty years. Carl Dane pleaded guilty to murder and was given sixty 722 01:03:19,239 --> 01:03:23,599 years as well, but the day before he was supposed to be transported to 723 01:03:23,679 --> 01:03:30,559 the prison, he hung himself in a cell. Chad Bennett was initially arrested 724 01:03:30,639 --> 01:03:37,000 for kidnapping, home invasion and first degree murder, but in twenty thirteen, 725 01:03:37,199 --> 01:03:42,960 all the charges were dropped. The DA filed a nole prosequi, which means 726 01:03:43,559 --> 01:03:49,599 he did not wish to prosecute the case at the time. The reason there 727 01:03:49,639 --> 01:03:54,000 weren't any witnesses to testify. All the living Petown Saints as well as Dakota 728 01:03:54,079 --> 01:04:00,119 refused to testify against their precious leader, even though they were offered immunity. 729 01:04:01,039 --> 01:04:09,360 Dakoto Wall was given twenty six years on the home invasion charge. She is 730 01:04:09,519 --> 01:04:15,559 now out of prison and living her life. Judging by her Facebook page, 731 01:04:15,639 --> 01:04:18,679 she seems to be doing just great and by the looks of it, she's 732 01:04:18,719 --> 01:04:25,599 even got a new boyfriend. Sidney Stevens may have been a pain in the 733 01:04:25,639 --> 01:04:30,639 butt little sister who required as much attention as the next needy teenager, But 734 01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:36,599 that was Sidney. She was fifteen. What fifteen year old is in a 735 01:04:36,679 --> 01:04:44,440 bit annoying, moody and headstrong. She had an unstable upbringing and a lot 736 01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:51,039 of severe mental issues. What Sydney needed was love from her family so she 737 01:04:51,119 --> 01:04:56,840 would know that there was more to life than this sad little cycle she was 738 01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:02,039 stuck in. Instead, she got a neglected, rejected by her big sister 739 01:05:03,039 --> 01:05:10,960 and left downstairs in the basement. Sydney would likely have grown up and matured 740 01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:15,239 into a decent young woman. Maybe she would have found therapy and tackled her 741 01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:23,920 demons had on maybe not. We're all imperfect, may all have our own 742 01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:30,079 problems. The point isn't what Sydney could have become. The point is but 743 01:05:30,239 --> 01:05:38,480 she never got the chance to try to become because of her own sister and 744 01:05:38,679 --> 01:05:44,840 four displaced, dysfunctional boys who decided to try to prove to each other just 745 01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:53,440 how tough they all really were by killing a defenseless teenage girl. The p 746 01:05:53,639 --> 01:05:59,760 Town Saints were a bunch of children playing gangster. Now one of them is 747 01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:04,960 and the other will be in jail until he dies, and Chad Well, 748 01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:13,639 Chad finally got his in twenty eighteen. He pleaded guilty to the home invasion 749 01:06:13,719 --> 01:06:17,440 charge in order to avoid the first degree murder. He was sentenced to twenty 750 01:06:17,559 --> 01:06:23,920 years in prison. Speaking of years, it took eight of them, but 751 01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:33,079 justice was finally served. Rest in peace, Sydney. He didn't find love 752 01:06:33,480 --> 01:07:11,400 in this world, but maybe you'll find peace in the next. Well, 753 01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:15,360 that's gonna wrap it up here. Thank you for joining us once again. 754 01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:19,159 If you haven't heard it yet, check out Certain Scale Nightmares. It's available 755 01:07:19,239 --> 01:07:24,840 now for free on Spotify, Apple, all the things, and you might 756 01:07:25,079 --> 01:07:28,239 like it. And there's like thirty episodes now, so go check it out 757 01:07:28,800 --> 01:08:06,440 and stay safe. Hey, great show. Calling to Wayne on the figure 758 01:08:08,159 --> 01:08:11,239 figure debate. So, I mean give a little background. I watched a 759 01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:15,800 lot of Formula one, Moto Jook and The Space Out of Europe and all 760 01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:21,039 the commentators are English and they say figure, So I'm pretty sure they invented 761 01:08:21,159 --> 01:09:05,760 the English language. So I think you went on the format time time,