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It's time for coffee and company,
fueled by Thornton's on Sports Talk seven to

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nine day. Now here's Nick Coffee. You know, at times I've mentioned

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the the situation here with Louisville just
hiring a new coach a couple of weeks

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ago, and calling it a circus
is probably not fair. I mean,

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I think the way the Louisville search
played out publicly, maybe circus again isn't

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a good fit as far as how
to describe it. But you know,

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it could have been handled a little
better as far as what ended up getting

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out there. But none of that'll
matter if Pat Kelsey wins, and we

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will find that out next season.
Not to say that he's got to win

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a certain amount of games next season
for us to feel like he's going to

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be the right guy here, but
all the other stuff that you know matters

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when you you know, can't coach
games. Yet he's doing a phenomenal job

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at On the Kentucky side, I
think it is kind of a circus on

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the Calipari side of it. Now
with Kentucky, I don't think they're doing

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anything. I mean, in fact, they've had twenty four hours essentially so

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far in this search, and I
don't think there's anything optically that is playing

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out in a bad way, good
way, whatever, But the Calipari side

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of it is kind of hilarious because
of the belief that he got cold feet

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and the attempt to maybe kind of
walk it back and see if he could

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salvage his situation. And at that
point, I think Kentucky was never going

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to want to do that, and
they didn't feel like they had to because

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they feel like he violated and breached
his contract because of the conversations that he

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clearly had already had. I mean, let's be real, he did break

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his contracts. He didn't tell Kentucky
that he was going to talk to Arkansas

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until I guess two days ago,
and let's be honest, we all know

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that at that time he already knew
that he had an offer from Arkansas and

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it started to get out so and
then the walk and the dog thing like

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that still as funny to me.
And then it didn't become official until I

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guess Arkansas announced it earlier today this
morning. And then now he's being introduced,

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he's there seeing him walking into I
guess wherever they're having their press conference

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later is is wild. But at
seven o'clock Eastern time, he will have

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his press conference and I'm probably not
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live, but I will I will. I will try to check it out

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at some point, just because this, this could be this could be petty.

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I mean, knowing Cal and just
reading some of the quotes in his

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in his interview that he did that
it you know, those quotes that are

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included in this article at The Athletic
from Sham's Cherana and Kyle Tucker. Maybe

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this is me exaggerating a little bit
here as far as you know him taking

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shots or whatever. But I just
you know, his message yesterday where he

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looks sad in his video and he
talked thank the fans and whatnot. That

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made me think that he probably will
always be talking up Kentucky or whatever,

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and you know, saying that this
is the dream job. It was his

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dream job, and we all know
that's true. But I think you'll see

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a different side of him today.
I don't know if it's going to be

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a huge part of the press conference, but just knowing Cal, I really

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do think that, you know,
he'll probably take some jabs. They'll be

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maybe not he's not gonna say Mitch
Barnhart is a bum. And if he

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shows up in the state of Arkansas
and a whoop his ass, like I

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don't think we're gonna hear that,
that would be great, though, wouldn't

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it? That would be great wild. But in this article, just a

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couple of things that he's now well
aware are going to be on the record,

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and he has no problem with that. Is that he regrets turning down

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UCLA in twenty nineteen, and he
had admitst that to people that at that

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time he should have done it,
but Kentucky gave him a ten year,

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eighty six million dollar contract to keep
him in lexingon in UCLA could not match.

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You know. He also, when
talking about Nil, is pretty critical

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I guess of the Kentucky side of
that. I'm going to try to find

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this quote really quickly here. I
just had it pulled up. But yeah,

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so he states that Nil will be
ready for him and he doesn't have

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to go out and do it anymore. Quote the other this is the actual

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quote from it. The other thing
to change is figuring out our roster and

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you have to go in now and
have Nil ready, which the school will

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do I don't have to go out
and do it anymore. I had to

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do it at Kentucky. I mean, it is pretty low of Kentucky to

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expect a man to do his job. I mean, right, But again,

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that's Cal being able to say that. Cal can say that, and

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it is kind of like, wow, this guy. But we know this

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guy, so it's not like a
real shocker. He's criticizing Kentucky because you

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know, there's a requirement that he
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Because let's be honest with you,
If in fact, Kentucky wants to

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have their best I guess success at
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him being the guy involved is the
best way to do it. It's not

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like they're asking you to do something
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know, I don't even know who, Like if Brad, If Brad Calipari

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was the guy in charge of NIL
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meeting with very wealthy people, it's
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it's calip Perry doing it like you're
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to really fill up the bank account
for NIL resources, you would have to

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know and he does know that him
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give you the best ability to raise
more money. And you know the bridge

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is that he that he burned with
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bit, and I think most people
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we would will eventually get some details
as to what really created that rift between

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the Crafts and Caliperi, but it
apparently includes Oscar Sheebway and we'll see.

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I mean, I'm not gonna I
don't want to get sued, but if

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you look it up Oscar Craft,
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you'll see what a lot of folks
are alleging as to what really turned

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Cal off with the Craft family and
really didn't want their money and actually understand

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his position if that's if that's true, But again, you can easily look

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it up and you'll see what apparently
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And honestly, that's one of the
big factors I would say in this thing

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coming to an end. So here's
what we know right now. Scott Drew

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is not in Lexington. He's in
Waco, but by all accounts, he's

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still believed to be the guy that
they are going after and pursuing. And

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one of the things that doesn't get
mentioned enough throughout these coaching searches is nobody

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really like has a real offer to
take the job unless they're going to take

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the job other than Dusty May,
which again like that to me, you

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know, it depends on who you
talk to. Louisville felt quite sure that

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Dusty May was going to take the
job, and he was already a done

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deal. I don't believe that.
I think, you know, he never

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told him no, but it wasn't
a situation to where it was done,

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and you know, that's why it
played out, I think, looking pretty

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poorly for Louisville, But in the
end it was a great thing because I

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don't think Dusty May would have fit
here at all, and he knew that.

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Everybody kind of knew that, I
guess, other than you know,

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a few other people. But nonetheless, Scott Drew, I just have a

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hard time thinking like, it's got
to be him, right, Like I'm

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trying to find a scenario now where
it's not him, and I don't know,

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I don't know what that would be
because I don't know how close the

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relationship is between Mitch Barnhardt and Scott
Drew. But it's been well known,

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and in fact, we've talked about
it before when he was a candidate for

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Louisville because understandably so, it would
have been a weird thing knowing that Louisville

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could potentially have a coach that is
like best buddies with Mitch Barnhart. Now

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are they actually best buddies, I
don't know, but they clearly have some

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level of a relationship. And Scott
Drew seems like a good enough guy that

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he's not going to string along his
athletic He's not going to string along his

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friend. So if he really just
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leaving Baylor, I'm not going anywhere, he would let Mitch Barnhart know that,

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and he hadn't done that yet,
So I think it's just a matter

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of time before he is officially announced
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And there's a Baylor Baylor beat writer
who covers the team closely. His name

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is Kendall Kendall Caught, and he
is His latest report is that he believes

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they will know something by the end
of the day today as far as what

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Scott Drew is going to do.
So I think it's done. I think

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he's going to be the guy.
I mean, clearly it's not done yet,

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but I think it's happening and it's
just a matter of time now.

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And I can't imagine any any type
of hiccup along the way that would keep

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it from happening. And it's not
because you know, they're waiting to hear

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from Danny Hurley. You know Danny
Hurley, he's turned into and I give

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John some credit, he said this
during the break early earlier. Dan Hurley

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has turned into the guy that when
a big job opens up, he's going

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to be the guy that fans of
those schools that have the opening say,

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you got to make them say no. You got to make them say no,

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which I understand why fans say that, But do you really have to

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make them say no? Because I
think sometimes they don't want your job,

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but they don't want to say no
because they don't even want it, like

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they don't want they're you know,
they appreciate the offer, but you know,

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or move it on, like when
you hear a coach on an interview

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or in a press conference be asked
about an opening I think there's so much

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over analyzing what they say that you
have people that convince themselves of really whatever

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they want to hear. And I
think his answer with Colin Cowhard earlier today,

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Dan Hurley, that is, it's
very much similar to whenever Scott Drew

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was asked about Louisville on a radio
interview and he told us no without saying

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no, I'm not going to be
the Louisville coach. Right. I mean

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I heard that and knew, all
right, this guy is not going to

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say Nope, Louisville stinks some stand
at Baylor, but like he's not coming

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here. I think Dan Hurley said
the same thing here when he talked to

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Colin Cowhard earlier today. However,
you know there are many Kentucky fans that

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are saying, well, he still
hasn't said no. I mean, does

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he have to Does he have to
email Mitch Barnhart? Does he have to?

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Because Mitch Barnhardt only does email,
by the way, so he communicates

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with people. Still. I mean, like, Dan Hurley's not going to

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Kentucky, and I think he's done
a couple of well even though I think

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what he said after you win the
national championship isn't worth a whole lot given

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the timing in the moment. But
he's now at a couple of days and

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I just, you know, I
think if there was any level of interest

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on his end, then then then
it would be out there. And the

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only thing keeping hope alive. I
guess from some Kentucky people that he could

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be their coach is that he hasn't
direct He hasn't you know, he hasn't

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actually, you know, put out
a statement that says, I'm not leaving

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Kentucky. I'm not leaving Yukon for
Kentucky. You feel like Yukon, uh,

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but you don't want schools to take
advantage of that, right, You've

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got a big market if you wanted
to leave is would you ever have to

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what happens if somebody comes up and
just brings up a Brinks truck and then

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you have to go to your boss
and say, Okay, they gave me

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a zillion dollars, I like what
I make? Where are you on that?

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Because Dan, for the next five
years you're gonna hit fifty offers.

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How do you how do you kind
of reconcile with the fact that you love

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where you're at but you may have
somebody double what you're worth. Where are

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you on that? What do you
do with that? Yeah, it's flattering.

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I've come a long way since being
a high school coach fifteen years ago,

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and uh, you know, havn't
having had to kind of work my

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way up the ladder and in the
business as a coach the way coaches did

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it, you know, back a
long time ago. Uh, you know,

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it's certainly flattering. But I've got
a long career of turning down jobs

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or more money to stay in places
that uh, you know that I was

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happy and that fit me and that
you know, provide me the resources to

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at that level achieve the things you
want to achieve. And I mean right

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now and U can you know my
relationship with day Ben and what the place

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means to us. You know,
the opportunity to go for for for a

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three peat right now is uh,
it's it's the only thing that is obviously

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on anyone's mind here. So I
just can't see that being a thing.

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of coaches say in that situation,
and more often than not, they don't

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leave like for so many years we
heard guys at the podium or at a

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radio interview say something that ended up
not being actually what you know, like

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not being the truth. And it's
really because they're in a tough spot,

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like what do you if they know
they're probably going to go to a job,

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but they don't really know for sure
if they have the like what are

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they supposed to say? Like it's
really an impossible situation to be honest with

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you. But how many years has
it been since we heard a coach directly

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like contradict himself. I think it's
happened in a long time. I think

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that answer you heard from Danny Hurley
you must be like shared among coaches across

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the country just to kind of stick
to this script and you really save yourself

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on both sides. But also you
know, Hurley wants to make it clear

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that he's he's committed to Yukon and
he doesn't see himself leaving, but he

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also wants more money from Yukon.
He's gonna get it. I said it

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earlier, halfway joking, like I
think the State of Yukon may add some

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some tax to their residents in the
state annually to go towards paying this man

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whatever he needs to stay there because
that's how I mean. I have a

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crush on him. John. I'm
just gonna say it. I love Dan

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Hurley. It's because he's He's the
new We've been talking all year long about

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like the old guard of elite coaches
kind of making their way out. Dan

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Hurley is the beginning of if there
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the beginning of that wave. I
get a sense that he's so genuine and

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doesn't really I mean he's not.
There's no flash there as far as like

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gimmicky stuff. I mean, he's
clearly animated and into it. That's just

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the Hurley family, that's how they
operate. But I think he's I mean,

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what he did at Yukon again,
That's that's what stood out to me

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throughout this tournament run. Specifically,
what they are doing is not something that

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is going to be difficult to recreate. It's going to be difficult to go

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in the national championship again because that
doesn't happen very often, But the type

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of team that he put together this
year in the year before is not something

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that is going to be impossible to
do when it comes to the personnel.

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It's just identifying guys that really align
with your brand, right, And he

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has the ability to get talented players
who are built and driven on winning and

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being a part of something. He
couldn't do it if he had a bunch

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of no stars. But he gets
good players, not the elites of the

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elite, and he gets some of
them. But he's just a guy that

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I think has never really tried to
do anything other than his way. And

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it didn't work early, right,
it didn't work at Yukon when he first

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got there. And you know he
wasn't He was good at Rhode Island,

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but not elite. Let's be honest. When he got the Yukon job,

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that was not viewed as some oh
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And now he's on top of the
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it's an example of somebody that has
always believed in his own formula and his

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own way of going about it.
And now he's at a place that has

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better resources than anywhere he's ever been
and he's winning at the highest level.

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This was an interview that This is
a clip from an interview where he talks

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about recruiting, parenting, and accountability
and like mad This made it to where

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I'm like, Okay, you know
what, I'm in love with this guy.

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I mean not you know, like
romantically, but I love him.

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There's measurable talents you have to have, right, the height, the speed,

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the skill set. But we spend
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the parents. The parents. Yeah, on the parents. Are they are

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they going to be fans while they're
on campus of their son or are they

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going to be are they going to
be parents? Are they going to you

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know, hold them accountable? I
have an expectation that when something goes wrong

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that it's not the coach's fault,
that it's their Son's got to work harder,

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he's got to do more, he's
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got a real old school culture here
of accountability. I'm an old school coach

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in terms of the tone I take
with my players in practice, the expectations

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with effort, the focus on winning, and we over me like what does

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that mean? Have they played on
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to four or five different high schools. When you talk to the parents and

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the recruiting process, are they constantly
complaining about the coaches after a bad game

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or are they you know, sending
you a text or you having a conversation,

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you know, where their son has
got to do more. He's got

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to play harder, you know,
he's he's got to work on his skills.

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They they tell on themselves, they
drop hints, and you know you've

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get the wrong type of kind of
you know, people in that inner circle

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around your players, they'll sink your
program. There's measurable. I mean that

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that was so real. But I
think in this day and age, there

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aren't many coaches that would stick to
their guns as far as what they specifically

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have set as the criteria to make
this work. And I think that's led

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to you know, Yukon getting Cam
Spencer from Rutgers, who you know,

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like not to pick on him because
he's the guy that doesn't have like NBA

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upside, but I mean, you
know, that's a guy that you can

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just tell. He and Hurley were
like a line as far as you know,

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he's a Hurley guy as far as
really really excelling in all those things

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he mentioned, as far as accountability, toughness and whatnot. And I believed

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in Hurley's the kind of guy that
if the number one player in America had

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those types of traits that he mentioned
initially that are red flags, he wouldn't

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want him, and he wouldn't take
him. He wouldn't care about the brand

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bump it gives his program, not
that they need it right now, But

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I think he's got an old school
approach in every way. But he didn't

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come off as like an old,
crotchety, old school guy, if that

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makes sense. I think he's I
think he's the future of college basketball,

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and I've said that a lot in
the last couple of days for obvious reasons,

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given that they just went back to
back. But getting him away from

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Yukon, I'm sure it's possible at
some point. I mean anything's possible.

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Heck, maybe goes to Kentucky.
But I just I think hearing him be

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so kind of content in his way
of doing things that he's not enamored by

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Kentucky's limelight, I just don't think
that does anything for him. Now,

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everybody's motivated by money, but he's
going to get a big raise, and

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I know Yukon does not have the
money that a place like Kentucky has,

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but I also think that they would
do anything like they would just say,

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look, here's your contract, We'll
find the money somewhere. I mean,

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I don't know how realistic that is, but you know, and trust me,

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it would be a sad day for
me if he ended up a Kentucky.

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So, like, I'm willing to
acknowledge that, but all the things

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I'm saying about him are not because
like I'm trying to make it like,

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oh, Kentucky, this is the
best guy and you can't get him.

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I mean, I think that is
true, but that's not really where I'm

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coming from. I mean, I
love the guy. You should have seen

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John John's face during that interview that
we played there, because he I could

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tell he wanted to go play for
Dan Hurley right now. Oh yeah,

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he's the man. He's the man, the man, no doubt about it.

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You know who else is the man? Doctor Larry Ben's of pro Reha

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Physical Therapy. He's going to join
us coming up here on the other side.

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Don't go anywhere. It is Coffee
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o'clock right here on Sports Talk seven
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thirty minutes left here before we wrap
it up. Until you goodbye. But

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the details of John Calipari's contract at
Kentucky or at Arkansas, I should say,

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it's gonna take a while for me
to get used to that, but

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uh, he's gonna get seven million
dollars per year. He's got a one

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million dollars signing bonus, which I
love this. The signing bonus that they're

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giving him is the one million dollar
buyout that Eric Musselman had to pay to

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go to USC. So the money
they got, which makes sense, right,

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like you put it towards it,
But it's rare that you see,

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like you know that that's that that's
specifically what that transaction ended up being.

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The money that USC paid to go
take Muscleman. They're going to just say,

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hey, we'll give you seven million
annually and we'll give you one million

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dollars that we just got, which
makes sense. It's just rare to see

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it, you know, worded that
way. He has a yearly retention bonus

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of five hundred thousand dollars and then
a bunch of incentives for the NCAA tournament.

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An appearance is fifty K, Round
two is one hundred K, Sweet

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sixteen is a quarter of a million. Final four is three hundred and fifty

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thousand dollars, and then national title
is five hundred k. And then he

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has rollover raises and NAA A tournament
appearance is a one year rollover of a

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fifty thousand dollars salary boost, and
then three straight NCAA appearances is three hundred

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and fifty thousand dollars in salary increase. So seven million base is great for

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any coach, to be honest with
you, But as far as the money

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he was making annually at Kentucky,
he can easily get there with, you

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know, with some accomplishments. And
then the benefits he gets. He gets

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ten tickets to each home basketball game, five tickets to each game for every

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Arkansas sport. He gets two cars
that will be like loans. I guess

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the university owns the vehicles and he
drives them, I guess. And then

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he gets club memberships at the Blessings
and Fayetteville Athletic Club. And here's his

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buyout if they fire him, seventy
five percent of the remaining contract and if

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he leaves, six million dollars will
be owed from whoever hires him from Kentucky,

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which Mitch Barnhardt. I mean that
looked foolish and crazy at the time,

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but it is wild how it all
worked out for him, because Cali

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Perry being entitled to thirty three million
if they let him go, but him

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not owing them a dime if he
leaves is insane. But at the time

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that deal was put in place,
I mean, again, Cali Perry should

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have left for UCLA, like he
says in twenty nineteen, just because it

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had kind of run its course,
right, But I think if you put

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yourself in mitche shoes, there's already
it's already quite clear that, you know,

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and Cal still had all the momentum
from the fan base. Cal still

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had all the love from UK At
that time, things hadn't really fallen apart

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yet, and really falling apart is
an exaggeration because what ended up happening is

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they just simply, you know,
they just simply started losing the teams in

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the tournament that they shouldn't lose to. But at the time, you know,

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if he thinks, Okay, our
basketball coach who still seems like the

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rock star, he's on top of
the world. I can't let him get

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I can't let him slip away.
And go to UCLA, because if that's

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the case, then you know,
I'll never live it down. So it

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seems it seems crazy now, but
I think it actually all kind of made

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sense. All right, Let's bring
him in. He is doctor Larry Ben's

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of pro Rea Physical Therapy. Larry, how are we doing this afternoon?

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We're doing well, Nick, waiting
at storm here, I guess, But

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more importantly, how are you doing? I'm doing well. I consider myself

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lucky every day to be able to
do what I do. But it's even

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better whenever you have a lot of
things going on, and that is certainly

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the case right now. We've got
two programs here in the state that are

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going to have new basketball coaches,
and that rare happens in general for each

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of them, but for both of
them to be starting a new is is

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kind of wild, no doubt,
no doubt in Western Kentucky. Three that's

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right, right, Yeah. So
one of the things I wanted to ask

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you, because I know you are
someone that you know, you're more familiar

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with this than most certainly myself.
When you see if you do see fans

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really just being totally consumed by a
coaching search flight tracker kind of stuff,

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over analyzing every little thing. I
mean, to me, it's what makes

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us crazy about college sports. But
like a lot of it really is nonsense,

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right, No, absolutely, I
would say ninety plus percent of it,

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at least judging by the stuff that
I saw during the U of L

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search, And that probably is an
underestimate, you know. I think on

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the positive side of things, I
think this you know, type of you

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know, irrational exuberance has always you
know, it's always been there. It's

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just now you've got a venue like
Twitter or other social media to you know,

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age more. You know, whether
it be with the coaches themselves directly

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and directly tracking them, tracking airplanes, it's quite amusing and entertainment in many

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ways. All Right. So the
Masters is getting ready to get set,

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and obviously the one golfer that everybody
will I think continuously talk about more than

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anybody else, is the one the
only Tiger Woods. You know, given

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his his injury history that he's had
for for quite some time. I mean,

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is there ever a point where we'll
see him not gravitate? I mean,

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just he commands such a such a
I don't think there's a comparison to

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somebody that has just been so different
than anybody else that has also been great,

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and said Sport, I don't know
if there's another. And obviously Michael

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Jordan was phenomenal and he commanded a
lot of attention, but there's been other

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greats too. I mean, even
you know Lebron during his great run.

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I just think Tiger is so different, and I feel like eventually we're going

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to hit a point where maybe there's
not still this fanfare in this obsession to

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see, Okay, can he get
it done? Is he healthy? But

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I guess I'll believe it when I
see at this point. No, it's

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really interesting Tiger Woods has had more
injuries as a golfer than a fifteen year

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veteran of the NFL as a running
back. I mean, it is unbelievable

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when you think of you know,
four back surgeries, ACL repair, neck

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foot, you know, fusions.
He's had a bunch of eye surgeries that

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probably don't you know, make the
news as much, but it certainly has

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an impact on putting, you know, just as asking Nick Faldough. But

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I'm just amazed he can even get
out there, so to me, any

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any aspect of him playing as a
bonus for the younger generation in my view,

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because he's certainly he's not going to
go out. You know, Jack

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Nicholas eventually retired when he said he
can no longer be competitive where he would

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go out and play in it EGA
Championship or a major, and he ultimately

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felt like he couldn't win it.
And I think Tiger has somewhat followed that

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track, and so he genuinely wouldn't
be out there if he didn't think he

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had a chance. The flip side
of that is it has become fashionable for

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him. And this is kind of
a negative comment, but it's absolutely a

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fact. It's become more fashionable for
him to drop out of tournaments. Yeah,

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if you look at his starts in
the last you know, call it,

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I don't know, eighteen months,
twenty four months, he's he's entered

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and exited tournaments by his own accord, which is not typical and genuinely,

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you know, frowned upon. But
you know, he's Tiger Wood, so

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he can. He's the best golfer
of all time. He could do anything

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he wants. But it'll be interesting
to see if he can get through all

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the practice rounds in the fan fear
and you know, tee it up and

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see what happens. It's exciting stuff. Yeah, and I'm glad you mentioned

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sort of he didn't truly think he
could win, he wouldn't be out there

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because I think one of the things
that makes athletes of that caliber, meaning

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all Tom greats, how makes them
special, is there a level to compete,

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and there there you know, I
don't think there's ever going to be

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a scenario where Tiger Woods doesn't believe
he can he can get it done at

407
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the highest level, because I think
he wouldn't have accomplished what he's accomplished without

408
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having sort of that belief and and
that drive. And it's just, you

409
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know, I've learned a lot about
his injuries and how rare it is to

410
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see someone you'd be able to still
do this given the injury history in our

411
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conversations over the years, and you
know, it's just what you said about

412
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the running back injury thing, I
mean, that's that's just I mean,

413
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I wonder how many people don't realize
that that's insane. It absolutely is insane.

414
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And he's been an absolute godsend for
the physical therapy industry, the industry,

415
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I'm sure Sandbox that I play.
I mean, you might even remember

416
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some of the comments he's made through
the years when he's dropping out of tournaments

417
00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:49.759
and you know, saying his glutes
aren't firing enough. And so you know,

418
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we have patience coming in and want
to know how to strengthen their glutes.

419
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And he has had a tremendous number
of back surgeries and we genuinely,

420
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you know, try to try to
you know, avoid that surgery of all

421
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you know that we can. He's
had micro dyskectomies, he's had fusions,

422
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and it's just amazing, I mean
me acl injuries. You know, when

423
00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:15.039
do you hear golfers tearing apart their
a c L. You know, you

424
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hear it in football, You just
don't hear it golf. And and then

425
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of recent you know, then he
goes through this incredible, you know,

426
00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:27.920
auto accident. The fact that he's
even able to recover from that at all

427
00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:32.960
is one thing. Then to play
golf as an absolute bonus. And certainly

428
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it looks from the way he's brought
his son around and he saw his daughter

429
00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:40.759
actually helping the caddy and some of
the you know, more charitable events.

430
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:45.279
It's good to see his family all
around playing but he's got you know,

431
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he had what is known just recently
less actually it was about here ago.

432
00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:51.680
Now that so many surgeries, it's
hard to keep track of him, but

433
00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:56.799
he had a sub tailor fusion to
address what he kept calling this arthritis from

434
00:29:56.839 --> 00:30:02.759
his prior fracture in his ankle.
Now, if you're keeping track, that

435
00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:07.759
means he's had fusion in his spine, and he's had fusion in his ankle,

436
00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:12.200
and then his knee has had acl
repairs, which obviously are not fusions,

437
00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:17.319
but they're major, you know,
injuries that you just typically don't come

438
00:30:17.319 --> 00:30:21.079
back from. So in many ways, he's a real tribute to rehab in

439
00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:26.240
general and the ability to keep it
himself in find alternative ways to stay in

440
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shape because he certainly can't run anymore. So he's doing whatever he's doing for

441
00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:34.880
his you know, aerobic capacity,
but then his strength training and flexibility.

442
00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:40.240
He travels around with his physical therapist. I mean, it's just it's an

443
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incredible thing to watch. What do
you know about his physical therapists specifically,

444
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I'm assuming that's a well known professional
or professional in your profession. Given that

445
00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:52.839
he's or she, I'm not even
sure anything about this person but obviously I'm

446
00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:56.799
sure that if they haven't wrote a
book yet, I mean it'll be or

447
00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:00.039
done a seminar and it'll be very
informative. And that's the question. So

448
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:06.880
for many years he had a very
well known physical therapist out of Las Vegas

449
00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:11.880
who he got introduced by his good
friend at the time, Marcomera, and

450
00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:15.400
that was his name was Cliff Claven, just a real gem of the industry.

451
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:21.440
And Cliff unfortunately had an untimely death
about oh gosh, about seven years

452
00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:25.240
ago. And so ever since then, you know, Team Tiger has held

453
00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:32.519
things under lock and key relative to
signing confidentiality agreements and those kinds of things.

454
00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:36.279
You also have compensatory issues around his
injuries. You know, are they

455
00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:38.799
workers comprelated? We've talked about that, you know with other in the NFL

456
00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:41.440
and other things that you have to
remember, these are work related injuries.

457
00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:45.960
So there's been, you know,
and with hip other privacy rules and everything,

458
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:49.240
there's been been certainly a lot more
of confidentiality. But I'm aware of

459
00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:52.960
two of his physical therapists. One
is a male, one's a female and

460
00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:56.599
male rock stars. They are board
certified orthopedic specialists. One of them is

461
00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:05.039
in particular is a spying therapist that
in more than Norwegian philosophy, so he's

462
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:07.680
definitely got team Tiger lined up.
Well, I know what pro rehab You

463
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:13.960
guys have the golf rehabilitation and performance
training and offer the complimentary screens at all

464
00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:19.039
locations. How often do you find
patients really learning a lot about not just

465
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injuries, but just you know,
themselves and the types of injuries they can

466
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have. I feel like you know
a lot of people who have never really

467
00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:29.559
thought about relying on a physical therapist
and that kind of stuff for this sport.

468
00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:31.200
You know, we're talking about average
folks, not professional athletes like Tiger

469
00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:35.920
Woods that have had that level of
injury history. But I mean, this

470
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is probably one of those things that
once golfers do in fact, take you

471
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:40.640
guys up on it and get the
screening done and rely on your help to

472
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have not only a better golf game, but stay healthy and prevent injuries.

473
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:46.559
It's probably one of those things people
wish they would have done a lot longer

474
00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:52.240
ago. No, absolutely, there
are two types of athletes that are even

475
00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:55.680
called weekend athletes that will do anything
to get back to playing. Maybe more

476
00:32:55.680 --> 00:32:59.519
than two. You might might want
to add pickleball to that now, yes,

477
00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:05.960
sure. Traditionally we talk about runners. It's just impossible to keep them

478
00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:08.400
from running, and so we have
these, you know, unweighted treadmills that

479
00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:13.480
allow them to run, take weight
off, and allow them to keep going.

480
00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:17.480
It's incredible technology. With golf,
we have very sophisticated ways of measuring

481
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:22.119
their flexibility, their strength, both
statically and dynamically. And what I mean

482
00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:25.200
by that is the golf swing,
you know, all happens in this millisecond

483
00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:30.119
of time period. And you have
a lot of golfers who are doing online

484
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:32.720
instruction. I'm talking about the weekend, you know, kind of warrior golfers.

485
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They watch videos on the internet and
YouTube and online and you know,

486
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simulation and there's tons and tons of
instruction. The problem with the instruction is

487
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if the golfer isn't physically able to
do the correct hip movement, the correct

488
00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:53.039
rotation and their spying, the elevation
and their arms, then it's all for

489
00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:57.680
nought. And so what we do
is we work in conjunction and personalize the

490
00:33:57.720 --> 00:34:00.759
program to their golf swing. Don't
teach the golf swing, but we work

491
00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:06.720
with various club pros on how to
adopt their style and philosophy of a golf

492
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:10.400
swing to that particular golfer. It
is incredibly effective. And on top of

493
00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:14.960
that way of a return to golf
program where if somebody has hurt, if

494
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:19.039
they're post surgical, we see a
lot of shoulder injuries that go through rehab

495
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:22.119
and then you know they want to
get and alter their swing a bit to

496
00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:24.840
get back to golfing. And I
think with with the you know, injury

497
00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:29.440
prevention obviously that's something that is that
is a focus for all the sports that

498
00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:32.360
people. You know, any education
information you can get as far as things

499
00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:36.159
that can help you stay healthier.
Obviously sometimes there's really nothing you could do.

500
00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:37.039
But I feel like with golf,
when it's just you know, it's

501
00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:40.079
a swing, you know, injury
prevention is just understanding really you know,

502
00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:43.559
how to how to improve yours.
You know what you said, take their

503
00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:45.440
swing, learn from that, and
you know, maybe a little if some

504
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:47.760
there could be somebody that's a golfer
that for you know, a couple of

505
00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:52.039
years, had had two different injuries
that are kind of the same thing,

506
00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:53.559
and it may not have been something
they were aware of, but it's just

507
00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:58.400
because of the approach and the swing
right now. That's absolutely right. And

508
00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:02.840
they're actually all all the major golf
manufacturers, Titleists in Callaway just to name

509
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:08.079
two of them, have invested a
lot of money in certification programs for the

510
00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:13.960
weekend golf athlete, the so called
return to back programs, and approbably have

511
00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:17.800
we have we have physical therapists athletic
trainers that are that are certified in both

512
00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:22.800
and so they will work with whatever
the club pro is, whatever golf clubs

513
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:25.960
that they use. But you know, golf is one of the sports that

514
00:35:27.079 --> 00:35:32.079
really benefited from COVID, and while
there's been some general flattening of that growth,

515
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:37.079
it is still incredibly popular and was
a benefactor and accelerator and it's hard

516
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:40.119
to get at de time on weekends. All right, last question, who

517
00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:45.599
do you think? Who do you
think win's the Masters? Wow? I

518
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:50.559
just for my personal taste, I'm
rooting for one of the PGA folks.

519
00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:53.079
You know, like a Jordan's Speed
okay, nice, somebody who's been a

520
00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:58.440
Scottie Chefley, you know, somebody
who's been there before. I also like

521
00:35:58.519 --> 00:36:00.840
these young golfers. A lot of
people get upset that, you know,

522
00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:02.920
they don't watch LAVM TV and so
they get you know, who are these

523
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:07.400
younger guys. Well, the fact
is they're tremendous, But personally I'm pulling

524
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:10.000
for Justin Thomas of course. Heck
yeah, heck yeah, Wait the way

525
00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:13.760
can we He's a Louisville guy,
right, I know we always mentions Goshen

526
00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:15.199
and you know, the Oldham County, but like he's he's Louisville. Isn't

527
00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:17.639
he went to Saint X Oh?
Absolutely, okay, he went to St.

528
00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:20.719
X. Well, lot of I've
got some friends in Oldham County.

529
00:36:20.679 --> 00:36:22.239
They're well, you guys, don't
you know, I'm thinking, I'm sure

530
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:24.239
you guys claim Louisville too, right, we're kind of all. You know,

531
00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:28.800
that's part of the family, isn't
it. Oh, it absolutely is.

532
00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:30.719
You know, we got one hundred
and twenty counties in the state of

533
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:32.679
Kentucky. It's only one state that
has more counties, that's Texas, and

534
00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:36.880
so we have to you know,
adopt all these and annex to them.

535
00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:39.079
And that's why we brought Louisville and
formed the city county government. Right,

536
00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:42.320
love it, love it, Larry. Thank you for the time, As

537
00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:45.679
always, my friend, we will
talk soon, right all right? Thanks

538
00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:47.960
go cards, Go cards. That's
doctor Larry Benn's Proria physical therapy. Quick

539
00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:51.239
time out. We'll come back and
wrap this thing up on the other side

540
00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:55.559
right here on Sports Talk seven ninety. That's right. Actually, that's not

541
00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:59.280
right. You didn't hear any liner, but that's used usually what I say.

542
00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:00.239
But because the time I I didn't
play the liner. So whatever,

543
00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:04.239
what's this song called? This is? I'm going down? That's right,

544
00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:12.599
We're going down. I don't know
what that means, but goodness, do

545
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:17.440
not take out the lack of professionalism
to start this segment on my fine friends

546
00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:21.960
over at Eland and England, because
it's not their fault, but they are

547
00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:23.679
great when it comes to buying or
selling a home. That is who you

548
00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:27.039
need to turn to for a variety
of reasons. They've been doing this for

549
00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:30.840
quite some time, and they have
been a part of a lot of closings

550
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:35.199
over the years, which represents we're
talking hundreds of millions of dollars of real

551
00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:37.320
estate. So they've been doing this
since nineteen seventy six. And not only

552
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:40.320
are they going to get you taken
care of throughout this process that is buying

553
00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:45.079
or selling a home, they're looking
out for you, right they're not only

554
00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:47.960
going to make it easy and really
almost as effortless as it can be on

555
00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:51.400
your end, but they're going to
save you money. And by doing that,

556
00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:52.880
they're going to let you list.
They're gonna list your home for just

557
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:58.440
one percent, which sounds crazy,
but it's true. They'll do that for

558
00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:02.639
you, and they're going to offer
the they're going to offer the other agent

559
00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:05.559
on the other side, the buyer's
agent, two and a half percent.

560
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So it's a total three and a
half percent versus the current market rate of

561
00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:10.920
six. So if you're home sales
for three hundred thousand dollars, you're going

562
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.280
to walk away from the closing with
seventy five one hundred more dollars in your

563
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:19.639
pocket because Elindniland will list your home
for just one percent. So eland dot

564
00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:22.480
com is the website and you give
him a call five two, five nine

565
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:25.079
nine twenty eight hundred. All right. So I've talked about it throughout the

566
00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:29.239
show today. How much I love
college athletics, just college sports. I

567
00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:32.440
mean, it brings out the craziness, the passion is great. And how

568
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:36.119
much time do I have left?
We got about forty seconds? All right?

569
00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:38.880
So this tweet yesterday by somebody is
just I mean, this is an

570
00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:44.039
Arkansas fan just having fun, says
Bud Walton. Has packed for Calipari's announcement.

571
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:46.599
Patrino rides in on a Harley.
There's a blonde on the back with

572
00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:50.920
a helmet on. The crowd goes
wild for Bobby. The blonde takes the

573
00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:53.960
helmet off and it's Caliperry in a
wig. He takes it off and calls

574
00:38:54.000 --> 00:39:00.280
the Hogs. Like because of the
craziness involved in the Arkansas was typically and

575
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:05.599
the connection here locally with cal and
Bobby, like that would never happen,

576
00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:08.000
but just to know that, like
that scenario is possible because of these because

577
00:39:08.039 --> 00:39:13.199
of the insanity. Have a good
night, everybody. We're back head of

578
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:14.760
tomorrow right here on Sports Talk seven
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