Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. Well, Hello,
how are you welcome to Destiny. I hope you are doing well today.
Now we do talk about the ancient past on Earth Ancients. Destiny is
the little sister to Earth Ancients. And when we're talking about the ancient past,
and we look at it from a ancestors point of view, and we
all have ancestors if we're in the physicality, If we're physical beings, we
have a long history of parents, grandparents, great grandparents and so forth and
so on. And you know, there's these ancestral registries where you can actually
go way way back into in some cases medieval times noted if I shouldn't say
that, in some cases, if you have a noted ancestor, that will
come up. But at some point we all become serfs and servants and pagans
and so forth and so on. But what's fascinating to consider, and what
the program is today is covering is the influences of these past ancestors and what
makes this so fascinating. And I'll just say it flat out, We're gonna
give you a little therapy today. You're gonna be therapized while listening to our
guest today. We all carry that the history of our ancestry. And you've
heard programs where people say, well, look at how your father acted,
how your grandfather acted, was he you know, did he get was his
success? Did he had problems? Did he carry a lot of frustration?
All this has passed on to the children. All this is handed down through
the ages as far back as you can think, you know, and what
we're trying to do today is clear that and understand that, and we do
it through meditations, we do it through various processes, and also, which
is fun, we do it through journaling. You Now, one of the
things about these therapies that are a bit of a challenge is if you're like
me, you literally don't have time to think. You know, you're so
active, you're so busy. You're living, you're making a living, you're
actively socializing. You have your family, your loved ones, and that is
a lot on your plate. And when someone asks you to start journaling about
your past, it's like, I don't have time. But I think if
you listen to these program you might be pleasantly surprised at the importance of doing
a little journaling to understand your past. Now, the program today is called
Heal your ancestral Roots, release the family patterns that hold you back. And
my guest is a therapist who is also from India, where there are deep,
deep generational roots that are very very tightly wound and can really inflict a
lot of challenge into a person's life. Can you imagine an arrange marriage where
you don't really know the person and all of a sudden, at a certain
age, you're introduced to somebody and told that this is going to be your
husband or it's going to be your wife. I don't know about you,
but that is somewhat traumatic. I guess you begin to deal with it,
but I don't know. I just find that just very imposing. And that's
you know that trauma can bleed into all kinds of so I mean, that's
a that's a real profound example of family therapy or family determination on controlling your
life in some way. Now we're going to talk about family in a physical
way as well. I can give you an example in my situation. I
come from a long line of men on the Dunning side that have heart problems,
and I've known this for a long long time. My uncle passed away
at sixty two. My father passed away right after he retired. He retired
at sixty three, and two years later he was dead. And I recently,
as you know, I had a heart situation. I had a heart
attack. And I didn't think I was you know, I thought I was
meditating. I was doing all the right things, eating correctly, not carrying
a lot of weight. And it came back and I had my own role
session. I had my own heart attack. Luckily I got to the cardiac
center. I'm here in the San Francisco Bay area. They have cardiac centers
all over the place, and they they opened up the artery with a stint
and so and then of course, now I've changed my lifestyle. No red
meat, no heavy glutens, no sugars. It's pretty restrictive, i'll tell
you. But it's important to understand that this history, this physical history,
is something you need to pay attention to. Now. What I haven't done,
though, is look at the psychological ramifications of this. Is this just
genetic? Is there something more? Now? My father was a World War
Two veteran. He came back with severe ps PTSD. He was blown off
two different destroyers in the Pacific Ocean, and I mean, I mean he
used to have, you know, a lot of issues. They didn't have
therapy in the sixties and really in the early seventies, and so he just
toughed it out, and that trauma and frustration and a good deal of anger
was passed on to his kids. I being the oldest of five boys,
and I really wish I had had a chance to talk with him more about
this, about his trauma, because it left a real big scar on the
family and it was really really upsetting. I look at my grandfather, who
was really the mentor in my life. Here's this country doctor who immigrated from
Germany before at the end of the First He was born in nineteen oh two,
so he immigrated right at the mid or towards the end of the First
World War in Europe they called out the Great War, and his father was
very, very tough on him, and I remember talking to him about it.
He was much more open to discussing it, and he was left with
a lot of scars that he passed down to his kids and my mother.
His father, my grandfather instilled good and bad in me. You know,
when I say bad. Some idiosyncracies about worrying all the time about money,
And because I mean, if you worry all the time about money, and
a lot of people do, it can really wreck habit with havoc with your
emotions as well as as well as physical too. So anyhow, today's program
is as an eye opener on a lot of different pathways of healing and understanding
your ancestral roots. Now, one of the questions I do bring up is,
you know, how far back do we go? Do we go back
to your the race you came from or the people i'm And that's the funny
thing about thinking about this the other day, the thing about the Americans were
mutts. I mean, I'm a I'm a quarter German, half English,
half Scottish and there's a little French in there too. So when I go
back to my ancestral roots, I gotta check all those all those countries out
and see where things are positive, where things are negative. And I think
at some point they will develop therapies where you go into a kind of a
meditative chamber and it's amplifying your thinking and as you're meditating, it can actually
help you if you've got a lot on your mind. This is why so
many people that I talk to you just cannot meditate, can't even consider it
because they can't shut their brain down. They're like thinking, thinking, And
then you know what, you got social media. You got your TikTok,
you got your Facebook. I gotta tweet, I gotta tweet on Twitter and
the Instagram, on and on and on. These are really a problem for
tuning out the world and sitting and closing your eyes and meditating. Meditation and
I've been doing it for thirty years is so critical for me, and it's
such a creative tool that if I don't do it, I feel awkward,
I don't feel well. So I meditate, try to meditate twice a day.
If people had that tool, the ability to quiet their brain and meditate,
and there are there's just brain tuners right now right now that will help
you do that. But on a wider scale, if it was something that
was taught in colleges people, it would mellow them out, and it would
give them more access to memories and emotions and sensitivities that are right now I
think blocked or they're desensitized to the point where they're just existing. I know
my own families like this. They're just going through the motions of existing there
and when you talk to them. I have a brother, very successful,
but I can I talk to him and his wife and it's like they're afraid.
They're afraid, they're they're going through the motions of life, and it's
like, I work, I support myself. I'm ready for retirement. But
then what you know, if you've been working and not you're not passionate about
anything, then when when your work ends, you're like left with a huge
void. And this is what a lot of people today who are retired or
dealing with They have a huge void. And people go, well, you
know, the quick answer is, you don't know what to do. Grab
a hobby. But if you're I think you need therapy when you retire,
because if you've been working and not paying attention to the subtleties of life,
what am I passionate about? Do I get out in nature? What interest
do I have? And I'm not talking about watching TV. That's not an
interest. I mean going to sports events, that's okay, But I'm talking
about a deep, visceral interest in life, not that you have to go
out and bang a druma and be a volunteer at some I don't know halfway
house. I'm talking about being passionate about living, because if you're not passionate
about living, then when you retire, it's like what's left? And then
it gets depressing because if you develop a passion, it's like you're starting from
scratch. You haven't been playing with that pass and you haven't been you haven't
touched it, you haven't worked with it. You haven't you know, embodied
that passion. What are the what are the muses that you have? I
like to paint. I'm like the kind of right I I'm using these examples.
I like to be on the nature. It doesn't have to be something.
It can be experiential. And I think that, especially in the United
States, we worked like a son of a gun to make a living,
and then when we are retiring or were forced to retire, then it's like
what do I have to do? What? What am I doing? So
today's program is heal your ancestral roots, relates the family patterns that hold you
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dol Gulati. She is a wonderful author who has written a book called Heal
Your Ancestral Roots, Release the family patterns that hold you back. And it's
an interesting cover title a book title on a number of different levels, because
we don't think about our ancestral roots as a therapy focal point. What are
the symptoms? What are they issues related to our ancestors and as people living
in a Western culture, this is something I think is important and this is
why we are having her on the program. She is a doctorate in economics,
which is quite an interesting about departure. We'll have to ask her about
that. And she is coming to us today from Boston, Massachusetts and Rata.
How are you great? Thank you so much, Flip for having me
on your show. It's my pleasure to be here with you. All right.
I guess start from the very beginning, why write this book? And
part two to that is what are the symptoms of problematic ancestral influences? That's
that's a heavy one. You might want to let that fall through the interview
to day and kind of go, well, here's here's some science, here's
some science, here's some signs. But why write the book? I didn't
really plan to write the book. I actually had been I had started seeing
clients in terms of like um emotional healing work, and as I was listening
to my clients. I started to notice that they were coming with problems where
they were feeling like they wanted to accomplish something. And then when I started
looking at it, there was a pattern across generations. So, for instance,
a woman who came to me and said she wanted to improve her relationship
with her daughter. Her daughter had graduated and moved across the coast to the
west coast, and she really wanted to improve that relationship because the daughter was
pulling away. And as we talked, I discovered that she was not on
talking terms with her own mother. Now, on the face of it,
that might sound like, okay, very simple, very easy to see,
but I started to notice these patterns were coming up again and again, and
I started to notice patterns in my own life, and I was thinking,
am I going crazy? Is this something really weird going on? But then
I fell into undiscovered ancestral healing work, and I started to realize that these
patterns are ways in which our ancestral field what we need to repair that's coming
to our attention. And that's how I started going and studying ancestral healing work
and I did it for two years, and I would go for the weekend
and I would come back and I would just write and write and write.
I had no idea what I was writing, but there was like this processing
I think that was going on because I never had the language or the framework
to understand how my life I had lived it in India and what I was
in the you know, seeing or living in the US. And there was
this disconnect and I couldn't really find the words for it. But when I
started doing this ancestral healing work, it was as if the you know,
the gears in my brain started to shift, started to fall into place,
and I started to make sense of what was going on. So that's how
the book emerged. I never really planned to write a book. Wonderful.
Y're from India. Family is primarily was very important. Here in the United
States, there's more conflict. We don't embrace family that much in the same
patterns as traditional Indian families do. Why are our families important? Why would
you say that the bonds the relationships we have with our relatives important Because there's
some people that do not have good relationships. Some people say this person is
critical of me as I was growing up, they weren't helpful, or in
some cases there was one or two parents that were alcoholic or had drug problems
or mental health issues that just disrupted the natural cohesion of a family dynamic.
But what why is family important? So I think you've raised actually several questions,
Cliff, and I'm just gonna like, yeah, you know, yeah
that So one is in the East, family is really important and in the
West independence is much more important. You know, your individuality, You're an
independence, and in the East sometimes family can be suffocating, you know,
the sense of like you have to conform, you have to do what is
expected. But on the other hand, the independence and the individuality creates like
in sense of you know, it can cause feelings of anxiety, loneliness,
depression. So how do you actually walk this tight robe? And I feel
there is an African probb that really captures it best, because the proverb says,
when you cut your chains, you free yourself. When you cut your
roots, you die. So the jurney we are on is this hydrobe that
we're gonna walk honoring what we came from and in honoring our own individuality.
We have to do both because otherwise we sort of suffocate or we feel like
we're not here what we're hereful and the tension of this, if we just
decide we're individuals, causes all sorts of mental health issues. But I think
recognizing our family, honoring what we came from, gives us the sense of
coherence in us. You know that we are part of something bigger. My
clients say when they connect with their ancestors, the most important feeling I hear
them report again and again is a feeling of peace. There's a feelings that
start to settle inside of themselves, and that's so important. Is there a
metaphysical aspect of your research, your therapy? And when I say metaphysical,
are we looking at past lives and generations that are thousands and thousands of years
in the past, or is it something that we can look up and say,
one of these online programs where you kind of develop a family tree and
you can go back and see three hundred years, four hundred years, my
uncle was a prince, my great great great great great great great great great
grandfather was a noted writer, or something like that. How far back do
we go? So in a lot of Eastern traditions, in Native American traditions,
our ancestors are not just appearance and grand parents. They include up to
seven generations before seven. Seven generations is what is considered impacts on impacts us.
So we can explore beyond that if we somehow can. Often it's just
you know, curiosity or wanting to know we might get an idea of the
forces that shaped our ancestors, because you know, there's a lot of things
that happened. Is seven generations, we could consider maybe a couple of hundred
years, two hundred and fifty maybe if a generation is about thirty years,
so a lot can happen in that time period. Wars, famine, migration,
immigration, disasters, death, financial losses, bankruptcy, genocide, you
know, so many things, homicide, so many things happen. But if
you choose to explore, you can understand what are the forces that shaped your
family? How did your family respond and react to external trauma? That's what
you know at some level. It is okay, what are some of the
most common issues people have that you help them with? In other words,
is there a common trait where there is a personality disorder, there is a
phobia that is generational? Is I mean, this is very interesting. You
know, I was reading your book and I was wondering you know, you
didn't write this down because this would be kind of suspicious, But I mean
you'd be like, you know, if you're Greek, quick a great grandfather
had a fear of heights, and this was handed down over hundreds of years.
What are some of the issues that you see? So it's really interesting
because you know, there's a lot of research out there that says our relationships
are what give us meaning, satisfaction and happiness in life. But at first
I didn't quite see this. But when I started to notice the kinds of
problems people were coming with, even if it was at work, it was
in the end a relationship issue. It could have been a relationship with a
boss, could be with coworkers, than relationships with partners wanting to leave a
relationship, wanting to deepen a relationship or have a relationship or you know,
kids, siblings, parents, these it's always in the end about a relationship.
And I feel that the relationship in the end is the result of a
disconnection that happens with ourselves. So healing and restoring that connection to ourselves is
what finally allows us to sort of enter into relationships in a different way.
MM. Interesting In a minute, we're going to discuss the various therapeutic remedies
that you offer your clients and that you feature in the book. What our
family constellations. This is a term that you have in your book that I
thought was interesting. It obviously constellation, we think of the star star groups
that are among the cosmos that are close to Earth. But what is a
family constellation. Yeah, so Dan Goen, who I trained with you said,
you know, we use the word family constellation therapy. That's the word
that was coined, but it has nothing to do with astronomy or religion.
But we could think of a family constellation. As you know, it's a
group process. People come and they sit in a group in a circle,
and the center of their circle is empty, and the client comes with wanting
an insight into a problem that has they're struggling with or dealing with, and
the facilitator will ask the client to choose someone to represent themselves from anybody in
the circle, and then they'll ask them, based on the problem they're presenting,
to choose members of the family to represent, to choose members of the
circle to represent members of the family. And in family constellation therapy, family
is viewed as an energy field. So the idea is that your ancestors,
including people who might be alive at this point, because it's an energy field,
the emotions, the thoughts, you know, they make themselves present.
So when people enter the field or represent members of the family of someone else's
family completely unknown, they take on the emotions, the thoughts, the body
language of the family member. So the client who's sitting gets a perspective on
their problem that they wouldn't otherwise have had. And I'll tell you a cliff
The longest healing journey is from here to hear, from the head to the
heart. So intellectually you can understand anything, but when you see it,
you know there is a heart opening. There is a deeper understanding, deeper
than from the level of the intellect that starts to happen, and that's where
the healing process starts fascinating. Give us an example, obviously, don't give
us the name of your one of your clients, but give us an example
of somebody who came in with what you perceive as a family issue that was
dominating their life to the point where it was had become disruptive. So you
know, I can share this story about my client. I had this woman
from Canada who called me, and you know, I have to say,
I sometimes like really in love my clients because they're such amazing human beings.
But so she came. She was this wonderful woman. She had a family
she was really proud of, and she had two daughters and a son.
And she called me because her son had called her and said that he had
decided to no longer work, he had quit his job. And she realized
that this was a family pattern because she was the primary breadwinner. Her family
had two daughters, were the primary breadwinners, and that pattern went back,
you know, to her mother and maternal grandmother. In and of itself.
I mean, women can be the primary breadwinners, that's not a the issue.
But the men were not really lifting or carrying their weight in their relationship
and that was what was bothering her. And so when she saw her son
say I'm going to quit my job, this anxiety started to well up in
her. And as we talked, we identified the patterns before her and also
emotions that were coming up, emotions of shame, of anger, rage really
and being dismissive of her son's in law and you know, so much anxiety
about her son, wanting to control him, wanting to fix him. But
as we started working with healing, working with her ancestors, working with those
emotions, shifting those emotions, releasing them, and honoring her ancestors, she
started to get much more peaceful. She started to get much calmer, quiet,
She stopped trying to fix her son. And then, you know,
she called me one day and she said, I just want to let you
know that my son said he's gone back to work and he said, I
don't know what came over me. Mom, I'm never going to do this
again. No, you know, she's thrilled. I'm thrilled. But when
I heard the words, I don't know what came over me and I'm never
going to do this again, that made me realize like the family energy field
had shifted, the pattern had shifted. And that's how powerful this work can
be because you don't need anybody else to change. You do the work and
stuff shifts. That's what's so valuable about it. I have to shine the
light on you a little bit for a minute. You have a doctor in
economics that is a life work for a lot of people that they would stop
right there, but you did an around about face and discovered this work.
It must be so gratifying for you to make this your career. And my
question would be, you know, talk a little bit about the importance of
this to the point where you are compelled to make this your life. Word.
Well, you know, I think, Cliff, it really was meant
to happen at some level because and when I did, it was really traumatic.
And I came to Providence, Boston, a Providence, Rhode Island,
and I ended up doing my ancestral healing work in Providence, Rhode Island.
Yeah, you know, so some level I think this was all providence.
But just to share how it happened, I had a health problem and I
had to go into the ear, and you know, that was hard,
but you know, there's a part of me that said, okay, now
you get out, you get on with your life, and you move on.
But then one night out of nowhere, I had to go back into
the ear and I remember at that point feeling like, oh my god,
what's happening. But I came out. I was a little distraught, but
when I had to go in a third time, that's when it really hit
me. I was terrified. I could feel like a sense of despair sweeping
over me. But I had a really dear friend and she came to see
me in the hospital and she asked me the question that turned my life around.
She said, how many times are you going to go through this?
What is it going to take you to change? And at that moment,
I realized I needed to do something different. I needed to change the trajectory
of my life life. So I literally willed myself out of the hospital and
I started to explore alternative methods of healing. So I this Chinese medicine doctor
across Chicago, and I discovered flower essences, and those two things really saved
my life. But I wanted to share one thing, Cliff. As I
look back, I feel like what this really taught me was the importance of
hope in our life. You know, we can sometimes feel powerless. But
what I want to really help people understand that you are never powerless. You
can create change and you can't shift things in your life. So that feels
more than a career. It feels like a calling. That's what I really
want to do. Yeah, wonderful. It's scary when you're in the emergency
room and you're like you're saying. The third time you're there, You're like,
something's up here? What's going on? I have to wonder this too.
And we spoke a little bit about this before we started our interview together.
What are the pressures of the family on you making this life change,
this career change after many, many years and a lot of financial burden to
get to a PhD, a doctorate in economics and then go, no,
no, I'm not I'm not interested in that anymore. Your parents must have
had a cow. Yeah, my mother certainly ditch. He was like,
oh my god, what is this? And you know, it's hard also
hard to explain, like I didn't have the language to explain what I was
doing. But my father had also just recently passed away. So between his
passing, moving from Chicago to Boston, you know, it's losing myself,
Like so many parts of my life were just fracturing. And for some reason,
I had just signed up to you know, train in Flower Essences,
just you know, as a like, I'm moving cities, maybe I can
do this. But it became my lifeline, and you know, I that's
all I wanted to do, And then of course led me into the ancestral
healing work. Oh how interesting. Yeah, we're gonna take a short break
to allow our sponsors to identify themselves and we'll be right back with my guests.
And Arrada dal Guladi speaking on her new book, Heal Your Ancestral Roots.
We'll be right back. My guest today is Anarada dal Gulati. She
has written a book called Heal Your Ancestral Roots. Release the family patterns that
hold you back. This is an important look at our generational traumas and how
to clear them so you can personify the full human that you were born to
be. Let's talk a little bit about flower essences. It's so interesting.
I was much, very much into them about ten to fifteen years ago,
and then for some reason I lost touch with them. Well, how are
these essences applied? And yeah, give us the give us the lowdown on
how you integrate these essences into a therapy practice. You know a lot of
transgenerational patterns that appear in our lives, the energy of unresolved emotions. We
actually start with the idea and this is how we're taught. You know,
we're taught we are rational beings who have emotions. But if we flipped it
and said, you know, we are emotional beings who rationalize, then we've
got to actually deal with our emotions, and they take center stage. They
become the compass with which we have to live our life. And shifting emotions
are expanding our emotional range. You know, that's part of like the modalities
we're hearing, mindfulness, meditation, etc. But what I find with flowers
that they work really gently and they're very powerful. Taking flower essences is like
drinking the nectar of possibility for your life because it allows you to release those
emotions, to shift them, to let them go, expand your emotional range
and start to move forward. So that's why for me, when I'm working
with someone who has the transgenerational patterns, I'm supporting their shift with flower essences
because that's medicine directly from Mother Nature. And you know, Mother Earth is
our real mother, mother of all mothers, mother of all fathers. She's
the one who's our true mother and we are disconnected, but she provides these
flowers and the energy of these flowers for our healing. Okay, you open
the door to energy healing, and obviously flower essences are energetic. Without getting
into a great dissertation, which is really easy to do. Um, how
do the essences work energetically on someone? Let's get let's give it an example,
somebody who has a say, a depression, and they can't seem to
shed the depression? How how would how would you make a suggestion? Because
you can't you can't, uh, I mean you can't use the medical term.
You have to recommend, you know, to your clients. So go
ahead and give us a sample of that, so you know, it depends
what's causing the depression. You know, what really happened would be the first
starting place to to understand, like where that depression is coming from? Um.
Oftentimes, and I want to just put this out there. I'm not
a trained therapist. I'm talking from an energy perspective. Right. If we
talk about emotions, you know, we're given messages very early on in life
you're too emotional, you're too sensitive, get over it, like don't bring
your feelings to work. And so we learn very early on not to trust
ourselves, not to trust how we're feeling, and that disconnection. Then we
start to look for this connection outside of ourselves. We're starting to put these
expectations on other people. They're gonna They're going to fill our tank in some
way. And yet it's like trying to draw water from a dry well when
we're trying to fill ourselves from somebody else. And so the main thing is
restoring connection to yourself. And it's not just restoring connection to yourself, it's
restoring connection to your ancestors, restoring connection to something bigger than you, that
supports you, that guides you, and restoring your connection to the earth that
nourishes you and that you know, mothers you. So depression can come from
different places, but the journey back is to heal that restore that connection to
yourself. And so when I'm listening, I'm just identifying what is happening and
giving flower essences from that. If it's coming from a sense of loss of
maybe how life was and it's gone, it's honeysuckle. If it's coming from
grief, it's you know, Star of Bethlehem. It's coming from blues that
descend all of a sudden, it's mustard. So there's you know, different
nuances and causes, and so working with that and you know, and honoring
those emotions they're telling us something. Yeah, I just wrote down flower essences
because I need to get back meeting with you. It's like, Cliff,
this is a big hint for you to be a more cognizant of these subtle
energy works. We could spend a whole whole program talking about how essences correct
energetic fields and help us maintain and become more balanced or work with our equilibrium,
but that would take it take a long time, actually, Cliff.
What I really would like to say, you know, what the essences really
do is they expand your emotional range, because emotions, you know, that's
our limbic brain and the you know, neuroscientist Candice Spirch she identified that these
emotions are like you know, transmitters all over the body. They have frequencies.
So we are really matching and lifting the frequency of the emotion with flower
essences. That's really what I'm trying to remember. The foundation of the essences.
It wasn't there somebody who was There was a man who was very sensitive
and he went out and he got the flowers of spraying or whatever, and
then incorporated the essence of the flower with a little bit of alcohol and then
you put it under your tongue. Isn't that correct? Yeah, you're so
right. So doctor Bach who discovered flower essence, thank you back. Yeah,
he was a British surgeon and he wanted to find a way of healing,
not just treating symptoms, and he discovered the flower essences. Yeah.
Actually go back to the idea of dew, that dow has a healing energy
property. And we've seen that in you know, Egyptian tax We've seen that
with you know, in Germany, with German mystics, we've seen that in
India. But how do you capture you how do you capture that healing energy?
And what he found there's a way of creating these wild flower infusions and
preserving them with brandy. So that's really what they are, you know,
me creating that energetic property of Do you know it's funny that you mentioned back,
because when I was introduced to him, it seemed to me that this
was a therapy that had come back from Prediluvian period, prior to our current
epic of civilization. It seemed very ancient because it's a and I would like
you to talk a little bit about that as a as an Indian woman steeped
in these ancient, ancient, ancient Hindu traditions that go back thousands of thousands
of years. Does it feel to you that this is like a very ancient
therapy, not just you know, Bach was in the eighteen or early nineteen
hundreds. Does it seems like he picked up on something that's much older.
I think so, because he became, you know, his desire to help
humanity was so great. Yeah, when he would go out, he would
experience the energy of these flowers, and those symptoms would also as he continued
working with them. The symptoms would start to appear in him before he found
the flower, before he found the flower essence, and then he would see
the flower and the symptoms would start to subside. And I just want to
share this cliff and maybe your listeners might like this. You know, in
India we call these powers, we call them sydneys. When you start to
work for humanity, these these graces you could call them graces, they sort
of start to download in you and you start to get them. So I
feel like you did. The doctor back became so acutely sensitively tuned that the
sydney was growing in him and he was able to like identify these flowers.
Yeah, identified only thirty eight of them, but they are very foundational and
of course bore up all the papers of how he arrived at it. He
tore up everything so that you know you wouldn't leave a burden on someone else.
That's funny. I want you to give us an example of someone who
would find you and seek out ancestral healing. Where does it cross over from
being a standard therapy. I have psychological issues and I feel like my life's
not going anywhere. I need to talk to a therapist, or I have
had a family problems. I had a death in the family. In fact,
here's an example for me. My grandfather was so important in my life,
more than my own parents. When he died, it was such a
huge loss for me. I went into it not only a deep depression,
but I felt like my life was over and I sought out a therapist for
that, which was very helpful, and we did talk therapy and I didn't
stay in it more than eight months, but it was very very helpful because
of this profound death. Where would someone seek you out or someone that is
like you. I think people come to me for different reasons. They come
when they're feeling stuck in some way or the other, like unable to move
forward. You know, it could be like a death, could be a
loss, could be like just feeling like I've been wanting to have this promotion
my whole life, you know, I've been wanting to be in a relationship,
you know whatever. That feeling of stucknesses That's what I noticed. It's
the feeling of being stuck that draws people to search for something alternative. And
you know, I want to also share with listeners that you know you lost
your grandfather. We have to give ourselves time to grieve because these are big,
huge loss right. It's acknowledging that grief has no timetable and sometimes it
can always walk by our side, but we can still live because we start
to be in the moment recognizing the preciousness, the fragility of life, and
also opening our hearts and being compassionate towards others. So in that sense,
it teaches us. It's it's you know, also a great teacher. I
like that we're getting close to the end here. The books called Heal your
ancestral Roots, release the family patterns that hold you back. What is one
of the best ways to heal our roots? You offer us some suggestions.
Why don't you give us another suggestion. So in the book, I offer
two suggestions. One is to create like some kind of an ancestral altar,
Yeah, where you can honor your ancestors. And if you have photographs or
something, you can put that there, or you can just simply put you
know, other things, objects or just objects from nature. It doesn't matter.
What the ancestral altar does is it gives you a place to honor your
ancestors, to connect with their energy, to express really gratitude. And if
you cannot do it for you know, your parents or grandparents, just essentially
do it for somebody who has been meaningful to you. Just it's a way
of you just start where you are, because that starts to create like a
sense of corens a sort of peace harmony inside of you. The other thing
that I offer in the book is, you know, prayers for the well
being of our ancestors. And I think this is where Alberto Bioldo, who's
a Cuban medical anthropologist, and he said that in the Western tradition, it
was assumed that answer altars were places where you worshiped your ancestors. And I
think this is a key distinction. You're not praying to your ancestors, you're
praying for your ancestors. There's a big difference. And he said that the
ancestral altars that they discovered in South America, the idea is that it's better
to know where your ancestors are than you have them running a mock ruining your
life. Castral altar is a way of anchoring O excellent. Yeah, And
in India we don't have ancestral altars to say, but we have regular altars
that we keep in most homes and that's a way of anchoring energy. You
go, you express your sadness, you express your gratitude, you express your
frustration. You like that you know candle daily and it gives you the capacity
to handle life's challenges. That's what it does. I like that. Do
you think as an immigrant that there's something missing in the United State dates our
culture? It's just too fast paced. We don't really sit and think about
our ancestors that much because it's like, you know, I don't have time,
and that we don't have any traditions. Are you would you say?
In this book and this is what it feels like. There's a little bit
of a critique that this is kind of a place where people that live in
Western culture can seek out their their ancestors and seek out their dearly departed relatives
who are important. And like the in Mexico they have Day of the Dead
where they have ceremony. I think it's a week and go to the grave
sites and talk with their departed relatives. We maybe we need that too,
What do you think? Yes, I totally agree. And you don't even
have to go anywhere. You can just do it at home. If you
have a picture of a father you're dearly missing, you know, put his
picture out there, put some flowers, you know, stop by, thank
him, talk to him. Why not? Why do we assume that if
someone has gone, they're just gone. I mean, there is a veil
between the conscious and the invisible, you know. But it's not like our
ancestors disappeared. We're the part of them that lives on. They are trying
to reach us all the time, especially for healing what they've left unresolved,
because their evolution depends on us healing what was left unresolved, and we take
on pieces of what was unresolved. So definitely, I mean, you know,
it shouldn't take a more than a minute or a few seconds. You
know, you have the photograph, you stop by. You know, I'm
off like giving your blessings today. I mean, that's it takes so little
time. Yeah, I think I wanted you to give us a little more
critique on the American lifestyle because I think we're disassociated. We're we're kind of
disconnected from thinking about the past. We're always thinking of the future. This
is what I gotta get. I gotta work nine to five. I got
to work until I drop. I have, you know, I want riches
and I want you know, it's like there's it's like we're adolescent. I've
always say this to people. It's like America is an adolescent country because we're
just not thinking of the past. We're thinking of how to have more fun,
which is important. But there's there's traditions that we've forgotten, and it's
almost like we should take a look at the indigenous people that were here originally
and their native traditions and sanctifying the ancestors. What do you say to that,
you know, I think you're right. I mean I grew up where
you know, America was larger than life, and that part was it.
And but I think if there's one thing that I feel that is missing in
American culture. It is respect. You know, we see that with the
Constitution. We know that we respect the country with respect the flag, We
respect the Constitution, but respecting your teachers, respecting your ancestors, respecting you
know what respect does. It allows you to live with negativity of It allows
you to be less judgmental of you know, everything that you're coming from.
That's what it really does. It shifts that negativity. Respecting the earth allows
you to treat her better. You know, every time you want to buy
something, you over buy, you throw that, you throw it in the
garbage, you don't single use. You know, You're like when you think
of the earth with respect, I'll automatically you stop doing those things. So
if there's one way to collect to you know, shift anything, it would
be respect. Respecting your neighbors, respecting the sidewalk, respecting you know,
anything and everything that I think is the one thing that is missing. I
couldn't ever find a word for what was missing, but that was the word
that was missing. Fascinating. What do you see yourself or how do you
see this therapy evolving in say the next five years. I hope it gets
you know, more widespread when I started. You know, when I when
I learned Flower Essences, there were like four hundred practitioners all over the world.
Today, I think it's much more in India, where there were no
Flower Essences. You couldn't get them a decade ago. Now all of a
sudden, you can get them. People are learning, people are like taking
these classes and sort of getting trained. So that's huge family constellation work.
When I started, there were few and far between. But I will tell
you if your listeners want to want to watch, there's a show on Netflix
called Another Self. It's a Turkish show with subtitles. I heard about it.
I ended up binge watching it. It's another Self, Another Self,
Another Self, Okay, And though it doesn't use the word family constellation therapy,
but it is about family constellations, and so that offers a window to
family constellations. And I'm hearing from my friends and colleagues who do family constellation
work that this is You know, there's an uptick and interest in family constellation
work because of the show. Wonderful. How can people get a hold of
you? The book's been out now for a couple of months, right,
so they can go to. They can get the book on Amazon and most
digital outlets. But we're to see you have a website here. What's your
website? My website is Helio Ancestral Roots dot com. Okay, so the
book came out March fourteenth and the website is Helio Ancestral Roots dot com.
The book just came out, right, What do you have on your website?
Do you have like a just more information about you and your technique and
how to find you and sign up for appointments or is there any kind of
surveys on there? Yes, you can sign up for an appointment, you
can reach out to me through the website. But what I offer in the
website is I offer a list of ten key essences that I have found through
my client work to be really helpful with regard to shifting the energy of relationships.
So anyone can go on the website, they can download that pdf.
It tells you you know where to buy essences, how to create them,
how to use them, you know how to create your own bottle use them.
So what's interesting essential or is of flower essences? So it's like you
know, a significant like piece of information in all in one place. Now,
do you have a section there on finding your soulmate. That's what I'm
looking for right now. I need to I need to find my next relationship.
You just gotta believe it, you know, cutting the chains that limit
you from believing your soulmate is out there. And I think journaling is a
great one because journaling allows you to see it is the cheapest and most effective
form of therapy, like what are you? You know, what are the
limiting beliefs? We're caring? And I find journaling to a higher power or
your future self is even more powerful than just you know, do your diary
or date so and so what I'm just journaling? Oh interesting, we should
have talked a little more about that. That's part of your program, isn't
it. And somebody has an issue, you begin journaling. What I guess
is it answers you're journaling or are you journaling just whatever comes up? Or
what? Well in the book, I have exercises, but I think just
as a therapeutic practice. You know, emotion is energy. Emotion, that
emotion needs a place to go. So when you go for a walk on
your journal or you're right, the emotion has a place to go. It
has an energy you know it can flow somewhere. That's what shifts it as
well. Fantastic indoor A much success on this book. I think it's wonderful.
I love the title and let's have you back. Well, thank you,
Cliff, it's been a pleasure to talk with you. Thank you so
much. I wanted to learn more about the journaling techniques and I have a
digital copy of the book. I really suggest you get this if you're if
you have any intuition that you have an ancestral problem or perhaps a generational family
generational issue that is creating a problem for you in your relationships in your personal
life. It's funny because we don't really think about our parents influence and the
parents their parents influence on them and that perspective. You know, it's it's
I'm sure you know when you go to your if you go to therapy,
this is a discussion. But you know, wow, if if you're if
everything looks good on that level and then you're thinking, I'm still having issues,
perhaps you got to do a meditation and connect with a very early ancestor
and go what's the problem here? So and that's where the journaling comes in.
You know, she's really big on journaling. Heal Your Ancestral Roots.
What a great title. The cover's kind of cool too. Hey, I
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