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support. On today's episode, we have another great guest. He was just
with us about a month ago. As you all recall, he is author
of the book The Conspiracy Theorist Survival Guide, which is available on Amazon and
his website wake Up or Else dot com. So much tremendous feedback from the
last episode, and he's here today to talk more specifically about providing biblical analysis
of the Mandela effect. And again all his information will be in the show
description, his email, his YouTube channels, the links to his book and
his website. Without any further ado, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back author
John Kerwin. John how are you doing today? Super So great to be
back with you, George. It's so much great feedback from our first interview.
So I was really decided to come back and share with your guests about
this topic because it's obviously very important to me. So glad to be here.
Yeah, And when I saw your book, when you emailed me,
I thought, man, this is a home run because all the things that
you talk about in your book are things that we struggle with as truthers.
And I did get feedback from people who had actually purchased your book and they
said how wonderful it was, so concrads on that and again, folks,
please check it out. And it's about many of the things we struggle about
as truth ors, whether it be personal relationships or trying to get others to
take that red pill. It's a really good book. But like we said
earlier, we're talking more about the biblical analysis of the Mandela effect. So
why don't you go ahead and explain to the listeners what exactly we're talking about.
Sure, this is a mind bender, and so you really got to
just kind of press the pause button and put your supernaturalist hat on and just
to describe it. In Layman's terms, this is an experience that hundreds of
thousands and millions of people are now reporting to be having for the first time
in their life, where not just memories, but vivid memories are no longer
the way that they vividly remember them, and these objects things people's names,
anatomy, geography, history, They spend multiple categories, and there are hundreds
of different things within each category that are changed. Now. Of course some
of the memories aren't vivid, but what we call them an anchor memory,
they're so vivid. They're as vivid as your name that when you see that
it's no longer what you remember it as, you're gobsmacked. You're just there's
no explanation for it right in the natural. But you can't deny your own
being. Your own we have a relationship with ourself where we know that we
know that we know. That's what Christians always say, when you have assurance
of salvation, How do you know you're saved? I know that, I
know that I know that's right, right, don't we see? Absolutely?
Well, this is in that realm. Okay, So the the empirical evidence
that's being presented to you in this experience is baffling to the natural mind.
But if you have integrity, and you have a conscience, and you have
intuition, you're a going to be unable to just push this office every day,
run of the mill misremembering. And let me just jump right into an
example for it. Okay, just to clarify the memory argument, because that's
the number one argument, and I'll use you as my guinea pig if that's
right. Yeah, of course, yeah, all right, So simple question,
and this is to illustrate, George, what your expectation is of how
reliable human memory is. I'm not putting words in your mouth, but that's
the goal of this question. Here's the question. It's a hypothetical situation,
all right. In this scenario, you aren't on drugs or any external influences
like mind control weapons, nothing like that, and you don't have any medical
illness. All right, But you wake up tomorrow and instead of your name
being George, it's now Jim. It's Jim, and all of your bank
statements going back twenty years, it's Jim everywhere, and everybody around you knows
you was Jim. Now my question to you is would you consider that a
phenomenon? Yes, that would definitely get in my vehicle in a drive for
about six hours and sit on a mountaintop. So i'mware and ponder what has
happened? Okay, So in other words, why wouldn't you just relegate that
to misremember exactly? That would be something that would it's a stop gap type
of your entire day stops. You spend the next days, weeks, months
trying to figure out what happened. All right, Now, let's go one
level deeper. Why would you come to that conclusion? Why would you think
it's a phenomenon versus just average run of the mill misremembering. Oh, I
think that goes back to what you opened up with, because we believe,
you know, I believe everything. I can discern for myself. What is
the difference between what happened yesterday and the dream I had last night? So
that would have to be my primary example. All right, Well, not
to put words in your mouth, but would it be correct to say that
if if your name had changed? Your response to that, it's kind of
like, look, I don't care what the data spheres saying I know what
my name is. Okay, bro of course, right, we have certainty
human beings have been created by God to have this. It's actually an emotional
state certainty. And so what happens in that scenario is your your personal opinion
about how reliable the human memory is actually very high. So you're saying,
I know what my name is because I know that my memory is very reliable
when it comes to vivid memories. And so because of that, I can't
just commit intellectual suicide and wound my conscience and just sluff this off as unbefuddled,
right, And so you are forced to push this now over into this
supernatural category. Does that make sense? One hundred percent? And I think
everybody listening agrees. Let me give you one more example, because this memory
issue is the real crux of this whole debate of whether this is you know,
whether our testimony is true or not is based on whether we're correct when
we're saying, hey, we're not misrememory. This is a phenomenon, all
right. So in this scenario, I'll use someone else. Someone you know
goes to their aging parent, and the aging parent has no history mental illness,
they're not on drugs, there's no outward influences effect them. Everything's normal.
And this person goes there and the mom says, who are you?
So the mom doesn't recognize their own son, what conclusion would you draw?
You would conclude that maybe some onset of Parkinson's or something was coming on,
right, Okay, exactly. Now that's the response that they always get.
Now again, it's the same thing. And I'm not putting words in your
mouth, but just to cut to the chase, I'll give you my analysis
of why you're saying that. Okay, you're looking at that mom, and
all of recorded history would back you up that the expectation that all of us
have regarding the reliability of the human memory is this, if a mom doesn't
recognize her the face of her own child, the human memory is so reliable
in that scenario that if she can't recognize the child, the only explanation would
be mental illness. Yeah, that makes sense absolutely. So what that means
is that you, George, just testified twice that your belief is that the
human memory is very reliable, agree when it comes to vivid memories. And
I'm going to really hammer this hall with one more example, because once this
argument is dealt with, all of the other arguments fall aside, and there
really is no debate. All right, this one is real simple. You
have a couple that's lived in suburbia for twenty years, and next door to
them is Joe. But then down the road two doors is Jim. So
you got a couple twenty years living next door to Joe. Okay, Now
I'm multiplying at times one hundred, So you have a hundred examples in this
case study of one hundred different families living in a hundred different neighborhoods and next
door each of them has a guy named Joe, but down the street,
two doors down is another guy named Jim. Now again, the goal of
this is to gauge your expectation of how reliable the human memory is. Okay,
and I'm not going to give you the answer. You're going to give
us the answer, and all of your listeners can do this as well.
What is your expectation how many of those people do you think would be confused
and misremember and have an implanted thought and then get the next door neighbor's name
wrong after twenty years? Ten percent? Ten percent? Ten percent is very
low. Yeah, see so, and most people will see even less than
that sometimes. And so what that tells us again is that generally speaking,
most of us agree that one hundred percent wouldn't get it wrong. Fifty percent
wouldn't get it wrong. It's not even twenty five. It's a very low
number. So when we're told, oh, you're just misremembering, those people
are being disingenuous. If they don't really believe that what they're saying themselves,
Yeah, it would be a very low number. Thank you for letting me
get that. That settle, because there's a This is a very polarized topic
and it's very subjective. But I've been doing this now for seven years,
and that really what we just did. I don't think is you can go
around it. The logic is pretty searing. You know, everybody thinks the
same way about the human memory. It actually is very reliable and did And
before we move on, I wanted to mention one thing, if it's okay,
because a lot of the things within the Mandela effect, I can kind
of agree with with it, the monopoly guy and those type of things,
but it's interesting, said the Mandela effect, if I'm correct, was named
after Nelson Mandela, who died, you know, ten years ago or so.
But I guess there's a lot of people out there who remember him dying
in prison in the eighties. I'm one of those people. I remember him
getting out of prison and you know, would go on to run the country.
But I didn't realize that that many people thought or remembered that he died
back in the eighties. Right. That was one of the first people that
were famous where many people remember them dying and then all of a sudden they
weren't dead. I had one experience like that with Billy Graham. I remember
Billy Graham dying and then somehow he wasn't dead. That was pretty vivid for
me. But there's been a lot of those people. We're not sure.
Let me say this also, we don't know really what how this works,
or who's causing it specifically, or how they're causing it. We just know
what it isn't It isn't misrememory. We're all adults. We understand when you
go to the Christmas party and you say, oh, hey Joe and the
guy says, oh no, my name is Jim, that's misrememory. But
but this is turning our lives upside down. This is something it's clearly a
phenomenon. You have millions of people claiming this. It's it's so widespread that
you have magazines like Popular Mechanics, Parade Readers, Digest, Good Housekeeping all
have done full page spreads on this. You've got Fox News covering it,
You've got multiple movies covering it, and the evidence is irrefutable. I mean,
how many people are the Jackson five? George five? There was originally
six? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. So at a certain
point, the human brain is very reliable in some of these memories. If
I go through enough of them, you'll get one that's an anchor memory and
you're like, no way, yeah, I think that. You kind of
put your foot down. You put your foot down, and you say,
all right, that one. There's no way that I'm misremembering. So what's
really going on? That's why you kind of go down the at all.
It's really amazing. I saw that article in Good Housekeeping this week when I
was just kind of going through some notes, and the one that kind of
threw me for a loop was I could have sworn it was the baron Stein
Bears, Like, yeah, I knew it was the baron Stein Bears.
What that can't be right? Well, there's one event that really took it
to the next level. This one pretty much solidified it for a lot of
us. And this is something we call flip flops. Now, there have
been four really documented ones where the thing changed, and these were in pop
culture and I'll give them to your real quick. These things changed and we
all made videos and talked about it, and it was all this buzz in
the community. And then six months later, a year later, George,
they changed back again. One of them was flint Stones. We all woke
up one day and there was flint Stones. There was no tea, which
doesn't even make any sense because everything in Flintstones is a rock, like Barney
rubble bedrock. Mister Slate will now flint is a stone, and now there's
no tea. So it's Flynn. So we're like, no, why this
is a bit doesn't affect and we'll see it. It's not photoshop and it's
not a change. It's all the way back to the beginning and it's always
been that way, and it's in the stores on the lunch boxes with no
tea. Well six months later, we wake up one morning and the tea
is back. So we literally watched it in a sense, we watched it
change, so you can't really go to the misremembering argument with the flip flop.
I think it's probably the compelling proof because it wasn't just one guy,
it was the entire community. And then we even have I have I personally
did a video on another one, which was Chuck E Cheese. Chuck E
Cheese. We wake up one morning and now it's chucky. Well six months
a year later, it changed back again to chuck E Cheese, which is
what it is now. It's it's crazy. Yeah, so, oh my
gosh. That the other one is a tidy Cats became tidy Cat lost its
ass, and then it came back again, and the and the last one
was Houston, we have a problem became Houston, We've had a problem.
And then about a year later it switched back to what it was what everybody
remembers. And when did that change happen? Was that around the time they
released the movie A Pello with thirteen Yes, the change was only in the
movie line itself. The original recording never changed. The movie line changed and
everybody noticed it, but then it changed back again. And what's really bizarre,
because this is what you have to understand is this phenomenon is so exotic
that it's really hard to get your mind around. Let me try to explain
this aspect of it. When the community that is acknowledging this recognizes a change.
Let's use in Stones as the example. It didn't change like a year
ago, and before that it was flint Stones, and a year ago it
changed, and now it's flint When we notice the change, if you go
and look at it, it's always been the new thing. It's like your
whole timeline has changed. So you can go back to reviews from the nineteen
sixties and it's talking about Flintstones. Somebody's reviewing it, or a book was
written about whatever. So this is a real mind better now the three different
philosophies of what is actually happening. One is a time stream shift, we're
shifting to a different timeline. Another one is parallel universe, we're going into
a different universe. Or it's a consciousness thing where maybe the construct is the
same but we're seeing differently, like you've seen that in a hundred sci fi
movies where they're out of sync and you can see the things in the other
Who knows, I mean, who knows, but I'll tell you what,
this ain't misremembered, bro, We're not in Kansas anymore. Yeah, and
the only way that's the big question people ask is what causes these things to
occur, and more specifically with the change back and are there I assume there's
reddits out there or maybe even websites like yours that are completely dedicated to this
type of phenomena. Oh yeah, I mean the number of websites. I
did analysis on how many people are claiming this about three or four years ago,
and at that time I've found four or five YouTube channels that were almost
predominant. They were most of them were blatantly Christian and there they each had
one hundred thousand subscribers each, and then there were tons of other ones.
And that was just YouTube. I went to Facebook. There's one hundred groups
on Facebook dedicated to this, all the different platforms. It's all over social
media and now even tripled quadruple that now. And then I looked at Google
Analytics and easily it's in the millions and that and there's a couple of Iranian
spiritual leaders who are talking openly about it. It's all of Iran knows it's
happening. The whole. There's millions of people that have conceded that this is
happening. Now, my journey has been a little bit bumpier because what I
found shortly after I found out about you know, mirror, mirror on the
wall never existed. It was always magic mirror. I then found out that
the changes that are taking place in our reality include the Bible, and so
that is a very polarized topic which I would like to at some point when
you're ready, He's into because it's it's something that most Christians, including myself,
would believe that that would be impossible because it would make God a liar.
But it isn't impossible. God has allowed it, and God is allowing
it without being a liar. And so I can ensure you I am not.
I don't have a chip on my shoulder. I love God. I've
been at full time ministry for eleven years in New York with Dave Okerson as
a youth pastor and a worship leader, and another twenty years in lay ministry
basically full time ministry and different churches as a worship leader. And I believe
that the Bible couldn't change just like anybody else until it started changing that.
I was forced to go back in and look re examine what the Bible was
actually teaching on this, and I found that it really wasn't teaching that,
and very quickly. The difference is that I believe the Church has conflated the
terms scripture and the terms Bible to mean the same thing as the term Word
of God, which is what the promises really are saying. Thy word,
Oh Lord, is forever settled in heaven. Well does that really mean that
the Bible is settled in heaven? And what does the term word really mean?
So that's where we can go as we move forward. But I just
wanted to give your listeners permission, you know, like it says in Proverbs
eighteen, he who answers the matter before he shears it, it is folly
and shame to him. So I just want to assure everybody that this is
an event that was foretold in at least four scriptures, some of them with
breathtaking clarity. So this is not a surprise to God. And I can
assure you God is in control and God God allows the enemy to do things.
Free will is very much reality to God. So I'll share later as
we get into this how this is possible. And it's interesting you mentioned the
knowledge of this in Iran, and Iran has sure been in the news an
awful lot just within the last week, and you'd mentioned that there is a
direct connection to the Mandela effect to the tribulation. Do you want to lay
that out to the listeners. Sure, if you look at passages like Daniel,
chapter seven, verse twenty five, it speaks of the anti Christ or
the beast having the ability to He will seek to change times and laws,
is what it says. And he'll wear down the stats and they'll speak blasphemy.
Well, without getting into too much detail. If you're a supernaturalist,
you can read the commentaries and they naturalize that. But my Bible is a
supernatural Bible, and so it's very and I've talked to many many theologians.
In fact, one of my new friends is doctor Paul Grafton Holt, who's
written thirteen or he's written twelve books on Biblical theology. One of them is
called the King James Version and the Quantum Effect, and so he's acknowledged that
this is happening. And he's got about four or five letters after his name,
So there there are now people with pedigree, let's say, coming forward
and having to reluctantly concede that this is happening because the evidence is overwhelming.
But it's a it's a reputation killer. It's you know, I've lost my
marriage over a twenty four year marriage with my beautiful wife I loved earlier.
I would go back to today, but she said, weren't two different worlds.
And I've probably talked to Nick. I've interacted with probably close to two
hundred people who have been divorced over the last seven years, you know,
because they came into the truther journey. That's when my ministry is all about.
It's ministering to the believer who is also a truther and the full out
from finding out the moon landing is fake and oss is fake and nine eleven's
sake and Rita swat i Mendell affect is real, and chemtrails are real,
and there's underground bases and all of the companies corporations, the government's a corporation
and all that stuff, and it just brings such a division between a husband
and wife and or a father and children or lifelong friends that very often it's
it's irreconcilable. And so that's what the book is about. My ministry is
really discipleing Christian truthers. Yeah, and not to beat a dead horse,
but your book is so important because I get many emails when you finally wake
up and you become a truther. And lucky for me, my wife is
in the same boat. She sees everything that I see. But there are
I guess, so many emails from people and it's basically they say they're they're
living a fraudulent life. They can't be themselves, they're pretending to be someone
they're not when they're around their partner, and it just hurts them inside.
Oh, it's it's universally the same. I mean, like you are a
very rare example of the exception. If if your spouse is unconvinced but they
have grace, you can coexist, but there's a vacuous gap between you,
but you know you're able to press on. Then there's you know, the
type of most of us where the unconvinced basically escalates. And I talk about
this in chapter six, the Three Stages of Rejection, and it ends in
something like this, It's an ultimatum if you keep talking about these crazy things.
I can't have a relationship with you. Yeah, that's what it ends.
And then of course then there's the weird category of where you know,
somebody actually does see these things, but they don't care. Like I've never
understand about me either. I don't find out you're the Truman Show, and
you just keep going back to work like you normally when it's didn't say And
I know there's people out there who do that, and I think it's just
I think they're afraid. They know what it means to take They completely understand
what happens when you take that red pill, and they just don't want to
be a part of the reality. Reality scares a lot of people, and
that's why so many people folks out there spend so much time watching movies and
listening to music. They just want to be diverted because they know how ugly
the real world can be. Well if you hit the nail and head there.
So the truth or mindset is, we've gone from living on a party
boat to living on a battleship. But you know the last six years it
was still predominantly under the radar. Well, now the velvet glove of tyranny
is coming off and it's raining red pills. And I don't know how the
normy is even dealing with things now, But they're disclosing the UFOs are.
They're talking openly in the Senate hearings that they have they have biologicals. And
the senators like, do you mean you mean human remains? No? The
guy's like no, and we have off world technology. All of my life,
George, they've been telling us we're kooks if we believes in all right,
now they're they're telling us straight up. So I don't know what's common,
man, But it's common suit, It's common. But isn't it interesting
we talk about how they use Hollywood as as an arm of the propaganda.
Did you see those two ets that they unveiled in Mexico? They looked exactly
like the et from the eighties movie You Can't Make It Up. Yes,
No, yeah, you're talking about Perue. There's the village that was attacked
by the seven foot aliens with silver suits on. Is that the one you're
talking about. No, they just unveiled within the last few days. They
literally had them in these little coffins and they took off the tops and they
were taking pictures they were two I don't remember how old the bodies were,
but they were aliens in these two caskets, and they had them in like
a congress senate type of deal, a lot of officials around, and everybody
was taking pictures. But it's liked exactly like eight from the eighties movie.
Yeah, yep, it's real, all right. So you've mentioned the four
scriptures that mentioned this, I'm assuming Daniel seven twenty five was one of them.
Yes, yes, Daniel seven twenty five. And then of course Amos
eight. I believe it starts at verse twelve. I don't have it in
front of me, but basically it says that God is going to send and
it is an end day's propsy. I've talked to many pastors. I've listened
to three or four independence it is definitely a fair interpretation to say that Amos
chapter eight is a future propsy for a number of reasons which I won't get
into, you know, for the sake of time. So, assuming that's
true, what it says, God is going to send a famine, not
a famine of bread, but a famine of the Word, and men will
men will seek the Word and will not be able to find it, they'll
travel to and fro north and south and will not find it. Well,
that's impossible in modernity, because we have the word in a million different flash
drives, it's all. Then they couldn't get rid of the Word. The
only way that that prophecy could be fulfilled would be something like the Mandelaphi,
where it's no longer actually in the Bibles and so on that note, before
I go and give you some examples, the one that I think is most
important is Revelation chapter thirteen, and I'm just doing it for memory as well.
So basically what it says, talking about the beast anti Christ will be
given power and permission to wage war against the Saints and to prevail against them,
because the primary argument is the devil doesn't have that much power. Well,
of course he doesn't unless God gives it to him, which it clearly
he is doing that in Revelation thirteen. And you see that very clearly as
in principle in the first chapter of Job, where God and the Devil are
having this little back and forth that God initiates by the way, and then
finally he says to God to prove his point that man will serve him just
for the intrinsic love that they got that man has for God, regardless of
the circumstances. To prove that point, he says, all that he has
is in your power to the devil, he basically lifts the hedge. So
that's an individual example, but it's a principle that God, in his infinite
wisdom allowed Job who didn't deserve it, because God bragged on him, said,
God, he's a righteous man. He excuse evil. But he allowed
Satan to mess with his stuff first, and then even you know, at
the end, to touch his body but not kill him. Well, that's
astonishing Godrin. You know that we don't understand this God to a large degree.
We have to fear him and serve him and obey him. He is
not playing and this last Day's thing, what he's going to allow in the
tribulation is mind bending. I mean, you know, if you're rounded the
tribulation, you're going to experience a lot of suffering and probably lose your head.
And so where's God and all that? Well, God, it is
a different view of our skin. He doesn't hold the same value to our
you know, temporal comforts. You know, it's like the answer is there
is no answer, you know. He goes like, oh, he's like
this. He's like, I've not seen earth, not heard the wonders,
which God is prepared for those alone. He's like, don't worry about the
torture. You'll get through it. I'll be there with you. You know,
ready, you get to have it. That's like literally how he runs
the universe. So I'm like my prayer every day is like, Okay,
God, I just I accept your terms. I'm rolling with you because I
know you're good. But I got a lot of questions that are unanswered,
and I'm just going with you God because they'll arn't your brain, you know,
urch your brain and this problem, that's one of the problems that people
have with them and thee'll effect this. They'll tell me, John, this
is this is impossible. God wouldn't allow it. They tell me it's too
disruptive. Well, that's not proof that it's not happening. Yeah, that
would certainly be The common retort would be, there's no way God would allow
his word to be changed. It is probably what most people would say,
right right. So now this is in all Bibles, but I'm gonna give
you some out of the King James if I'm at Yeah, before we do
that, there's some two things I want to mention. Number one a good
catch with Revelation thirteen, because I think what you were mentioning was verse four
when they talk about worshiping the dragon, which in turn gave power to the
beast, and that leads into the forty two months. Yeah, that is
And where was I going with that? Oh? So I got an email
from a listener and they were mentioning she was having these lucid dreams. I'm
not going to mention her name, but she had a dream, a scary
dream about angels landing and blowing trumpets, and basically she would go on a
couple of days later she saw a TikTok video and it referenced the feast of
trumpets And as most people listening, no, we're right in the middle of
that interesting area between September fourteenth and twenty third where a lot of significant events
in history have happened. It's kind of between what is it Rashishana and Jan
Kapoor, which a lot of big events in world history has happened. And
she had mentioned Revelations twelve, and I kind of was reading the email going
back and forth, and I'm a pretty big numbers guy. And when I
got to twelve I started reading it, and then I got to Revelations twelve
seven and it said, and there was a war in heaven. Michael and
his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon fought and his angels.
And I saw that Revelation twelve seven, twelve seven, and then my jaw
hit the ground. This was just a couple of days ago when I got
this email, and I said, wait a second, So September eleventh.
You know, many people believe that Jesus was born on September eleventh, three
BC. And what if because you know, the folks who wrote the project
Panock, the Peanock authors, and they wrote that the new Pearl Harbor type
of deal, and a lot of people thought that twelve seven the Buildings one,
two and seven was a tip of the hat to the authors of that.
But what if Revelation twelve seven and Buildings one, two and seven were
the kicking off of the war in heaven. That's very insightful, and there
are a lot of people in this community that had a lot of p phatic
insight. I don't really go there myself, I'm on another track. But
I listened to the people like you who are are pointing out that very synchronistic
viewpoints or observations, I mean about the comparisons between what's happening in reality and
these changes, and it's definitely there, because no question, Yeah, that
life definitely changed, I mean completely, and obviously it's as significant event like
that physical things changed, the way we fly and everything else. But it
seemed to me, and I'm old enough to remember that was, you know,
thirty something whatever that prior to nine to eleven, there was a faint
evil in the world. You saw it, but it wasn't as prevalent.
For the last twenty two years, the evil has been in our face and
it's gotten worse every single day, specifically over the last three years. They've
thrown it in our face and they haven't even tried to hide the evil.
So it's just an interesting when I kind of saw that correlation, you know,
I don't know, yes, no, it's definitely there. I've listened
to people who are really keen on that and they pull out these connections.
I'm like, wow, that's brilliant. I mean, it's so obviously happening
and so it's a very deep web of intrigue. What's really happening we don't
know. It's definitely not random. I mean I have theories about how it's
happening, the technology, the witchcraft, how long it's been happening. But
you know, ultimately, you know, I have such a sense of destiny
because the things that are changing include the Bible. And the problem is the
majority of Christiandom doesn't acknowledge it. They don't they either don't know what's happening,
or worse, when we talk with pastors, they're very recalcitrant. They
don't want to talk about it. And when we give them the proofs,
they give us all kinds of cockamami excuses. I mean, when I share
what's in the in your Bible right now, you won't even believe it.
Yeah, you'll have to go. You What people have to do is they
don't even trust their own Bibles. And very often I get this all the
time. They go up into the attic and they get Grandma's Guttenberg and they
stay like, you know, like who laid down with the lamb? I
know you probably know this one because we always start with this one. But
in your me memory, Do you remember who laid down with the lamb?
Who laid down with the lamb? Yeah, it's it's a very enigmatic passage
from the Old Testament talking about the millennial, right, Oh, that I
have remember taking this test on your website. The wolf, right, Well,
that's what it says now. But I and that's because you've already been
exposed to the changes. But I personally have sat with at least twenty pastors
now in the last seven years, twenty pastors. I've talked to hundreds of
other Christians, but twenty pastors sitting in a room together. Hey, pastor,
who laid down with the lamb? All of them said the lion.
One ever said, well, not one, because it's that the wolf and
the lamb, and then the leopard lied with the goat or the kid,
right, right. But if you go to Isaiah eleven six, it doesn't
save the line laid down with the lamb. It says the wolf will dwell
with the lamb. And at a certain point, it's strange credilities to try
to suggest that this this is somehow got into the lexicon of the entire body
of Christ and the world because of some uh mis quote and then the telephone
game. Let's let's address the telephone game, because that's the only explanation that
I ever get. That's right. Yeah, I'd mentioned before we started.
I've gotten a couple of emails to mention to you. Could have been just
a simple case of the telephone game. Right, of course, that's a
that's a go to reason. But uh, you know, these types of
arguments haven't really been thought through to be frank, because what's your posing is
that you have? Let's take I'll do a fill in the blanks question for
you. This is King James judge not blank, he be judged, And
fill that in for me. Judge not blank, you be judged? What
comes to mind? They're still there. I'm so sorry, I'm muting.
I keep saying, oh good, I keep frying, and I'm like,
why is he to ignore me? I judge not less, you be judged?
Sorry? And now again this is on the lips of Satan cinner alike
the world over. I've had that quoted to me when I was preaching in
the streets. Yeah, you know, witnessing judge not let's you be judged?
All the sinners are saying that, And then of course the preachers are
saying it, and you just said it. That scripture George has never existed
in any Bible translation ever. Really really, so, now when I when
I get to this moment right with a pastor, then I ask him how
is that possible? Now they're cornered, they are be funneled. They just
they don't know what's to say, and so they blurred out, well,
I have you ever heard of the telephone game? Well, now let's analyze
that. Let's be rational adults, and let's think this through. I'd say,
well, what do you mean, pastor, Well, you know,
John, fifty years ago, someone just misquoted it, and that's gone through
the whole world like the telephone game. That's what they toom it. Okay,
now think about what you're trying to ask me to accept. I on
the other side of that, have my Bible for the last forty years that
I read I don't know, every day, and then I have I don't
just read the Bible, right, I memorize the Bible. I mean there's
very few books that I go try to commit to memory, but I do
that with the Bible, and then I have a daily devotional Oswald Chambers which
has a scripture each day, which is, you know, eventually I'm going
to come across judge now lest you be judged. And then I went to
children's church. There's books that I read that quote scriptures. Then I listened
to the Bible on tapes and stuff. Then I go to church and listen
to a guy talking about the Bible, and I'll go to a Bible study
and study the Bible. And I do that week after week, month after
month, year after year, for four decades. Those are eight different influences
to enforce judge not that ye be not judged, which is what's what's always
been in all the Bibles of King James, every version. Okay, that's
what I should remember. But somehow, this one guy fifty years ago quoted
judge not less you be judged, and then it got repeated somehow through the
media blah blah blah blah blah. Okay, and all of those influences overcame
all of my influences. Now, it might, by some bizarre thing happened
with one scripture, but are you trying to tell me that that's happened with
fifty scriptures. I'm sorry. Yeah, there's there's a there's a scientific discipline
called probabilities, right, and it's the probability of that happening is zero,
not possible. Yeah, we're to abandon the telephone game, please, Yeah,
that's it. That's a great point, because the telephone game wouldn't work
for one hundred percent of all folks like that. And so I went to
Matthew seven one, which is what is referenced, and I clicked on all
the other versions, just thinking, well, maybe it was an NIV version
or something else, and it's not not at all. No, that doesn't
exist. That is that is so interesting? All right? Now, there's
two types of evidence with this. One is that it's just not what we
remember, and that should be enough. In most of the cases where people
have conceded that this is happening, they saw one or two passages and they
had certainty. Like I remember this one lady, she was seventy five King
James. Only she called me and she said, John, when I saw
the word bank in my Bible, I knew that that was never there,
and I knew this was real one time. Okay, However, there's another
thing that's coming up, which is a second type of proof. It's cooperative
evidence, and that is that some of the changes are what I call biblical
paradoxes. So the change introduces a corruption into what we know who we know
God to be. So there's sexual innuendo, there's bizarre graphic things, and
I'll share some of them with you. Now, these are gonna be these
are gonna be evidences that the Bible's changing because the nature of them is inconsistent
with who we know God to be. Okay, okay, all right.
So the first one is and this is dual. This is also a memory
in your in your memory, do you ever remember Jesus spitting in someone's face
to heal them? Yes? Yeah, he had to do it twice.
I believe that was one of the rare occasions where he did it and the
person could kind of see. And he did it again, and the gentleman
was able to see fully. Right that one, the man said, I
see men, but they look like tree trees. That's right, he's right,
prayed from again. But this was where he used his spit and he
how do you remember him doing that? When he used to spit to heal
the man? How do you remember him doing? Uh? What do you
remember him making mud? That's right, that's right, that's right. Yeah,
okay. Well, now in Mark eight twenty three we read this and
he took the blind man by the hand and led him out of the town.
And when he had spit on his eyes and put his hands on him,
he asked him if he saw aught. Well, what we're seeing here
is a shift in you know what we see in the Bible. There's very
odd things in the Bible, but this is vividly unfamiliar to most of the
people that I've talked to. They'll say, no, I never never remember
Jesus spitting right in the guy's face to yell him. But this also introduces
a very coarse type of an interaction. Worth when he did it, he
used the mud, which was kind of weird, and everybody remembers that,
but they don't remember him spitting right in the guy's eyes, right, all
right. Second, Corinthians eleven eight says this, This is Paul saying I
robbed other churches, taking wages of them to do you service. Now,
one of the common responses we get from church leaders is, well, it
doesn't really mean that, So they're trying to slough this off as as a
bad translation. Well, in this case, if you go to the original
text, it's that the original meaning of the word is he robbed. So
then the only thing explanation you can have is that it's just an idiom and
you're just worked up over nothing. But you know, at a certain point,
if you take these aggregately, it's it's a high wall to climbs to
try to claim that we're just making a big deal out of nothing. Okay,
because then you go to Revelations chapter one, verse thirteen. This is
KJV only son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot and
girt about with the paps with a golden girdle. Now that word paps is
the word mastos from the Greek, which is female breasts. The word stethos
is used every time to describe the male breast. Now, I just had
a debate with a pastor, and when I brought that to his attention,
he was forced to attack the concordance itself, because now the original is so
shocking and it's supporting what's the English words are saying. He had to then
tried to undermine the concordance. Will you the concordance is just written by one
guy, and it's unreliable. So there's you know, the more you look
into this, the farther down they have to go to try to defend it.
Because what you're what this is saying is that Jesus is being portrayed as
as baffa mat he's a man with female breasts. It's what the what the
scripture says, paps, it's outrageous at one hundred percent because it means mastos,
and mastos literally means an ancient Greek drinking vessel shape like a woman's breast.
Yeah, that's G thirty one. And the concordance, Well then you
have Luke eighteen fifteen. This is an all version. Uh. It says,
and they brought well, let me ask you in your recollection, did
they ever bring infants to Jesus for him to touch them? Not children?
Infants? Yeah? Do you remember them? Yeah? Well most people don't
remember infants, babies. They remember they brought children him unto him that he
may bless them. Now, what it says is they brought into him infants
that he would touch them, right right right, Well that's very different than
bringing children, all right, Luke nineteen twenty seven. But this is Jesus.
But those mine enemies, which would not that I would reign over them,
Bring them hither and slay them before me. Yea. Now you can
split on your cape and become commentary man and try to commentary your way out
of this. But I have I have. I have a problem because I've
been in the streets with Muslims and for forty years talking to them, and
never, ever, ever, in forty years, did any of them ever
bring up the fact that Jesus, you know, is saying that he'll slay
people that don't follow them. You know, why should I convert to Christianity,
John, I've already got Jehad with my God. And you could try
to tell me that, you know, well, it's not talking about now,
it's talking about the judgment or it's a parable. But that's irrelevant because
my argument is that my vivid memory, I know this book like the back
of my hand. It's like my name, my name changed to Fred okay,
And I'm saying, I don't care what your explanation is for the underlying
Greek or you know, whatever you're gonna come up with, it's irrelevant.
I do polls on Twitter, and I'll have one hundred percent. Tell me,
oh, that was never in my bible. That's impossible because sociologist studies
have shown in an event, let's take a car accident. If you have
you know, twenty people that observe a car accident, anything over five or
ten percent where everybody misremembers the same way is an anomaly. Sure follow me.
So they all let's say the guy had a green shirt on, and
more than ten percent all say he had an orange shirt. Well, guess
what. There was a sociologist early on in this that did a online study
and he say, upled twenty five thousand people about the Mandel effect. And
he'd asked him what did what did the witch say when in seven dwarfs when
she's standing in front of the mirror, ninety plus percent said mirror, mirror
on the wall. Sure, that's what I remembered as as well, of
course, all right, so, but what does that mean? The scientific
studies proved that human beings, when they misremembered, don't all misremember the same
way. But in the case of the Mandel effect, we're all misremembering the
same thing, which means it's absolutely in the category of a phenomena. This
is not a naturalistic thing. You can just brush aside. The human memories
unreliable. I'm sorry. We're in the final days of the church age and
all h e double ellis bake and loose, and this is one of them.
So in this case, you know many of the examples that you've given
where there were slight changes or were changes within the text, But in this
case you're saying that Luke nineteen, verse twenty seven was something that just appeared
later at some point in time. Absolutely, because all of those years when
I was in New York in the ministry, I never heard about this,
and now I do. Now I see Muslims debating Christians, and the first
thing they bring up is ga Jesus, Well, that never happened for forty
thirty years before. Now all of a sudden, it's happening. And now
here there's like a mountain an avalanche of these articles saying it's a common misconception
that and then then they start to try to explain away these changes, and
the Mendel effect community is like, no, I mean, I have a
one hundred to one hundred and fifty news subscribers a month, mostly Christians,
and they're leaving the church because they can't reconcile the fact that the church leader
is so spiritually dull that they can't even recognize the fact that they're not even
saying the words correctly that are on their page. This happened to me numerous
times. I'm in church. I'm in a KJV only church, and I've
got the Bible open on my lap, and i know the pastor's got a
KJV Bible and he's quoting First Corinthia's thirteen and the greatest of these is love,
like faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is
love. And I'm looking at my Bible and it says charity, and I'm
thinking, okay, And I know the Mandel effect is real and it's happening,
and I'm thinking, I can't say anything because my wife is sitting next
to me and she'll go ballistic if my space I'm sure, but we're we're
boxed then, I mean, we're we're surrounded by people that don't want this
to be true, and if you try to bring it up, you're you're
relegated to the seventh circle of Hell. In fact, I came home one
day and there was an intervention in my son room with the pastor, the
assistant pastor, and the deacon and my wife. And my wife has a
background alcohol addiction counseling, and she's telling me I need medication. Some of
your listeners and know what I'm talking about, and trust me, I know
too. When I show up the family events, you can see the people
elbow and about that. You would tell me about you going to the family
events, what happens to you? Yeah, there's crazy uncle George. Wow.
It should not be this way. No, it shouldn't. And at
some point I have to ask the question. I guess now is it good
as time as any? And this goes to many of the conspiracies, and
it has a pretty obvious answer. But the big question is why is this
important? Right? That's that's a big question that has asked with many of
It applies directly to flat earth as well, and once you see it,
you realize in that case they're trying to hide God. So in this case,
why is it so important? Well, that's a great question, and
it's it's a foundational question for me because I actually deleted my channel twice in
order to try to save my marriage because my wife was not only didn't want
me to believe these things. She didn't want me involved as an activist at
all. It sort of wanted me to recant totally in order to remain married,
and I wasn't willing to do that. I didn't talk to her or
the kids for two years after the first couple of years. But I'm gonna
go over here and I'm gonna wage war with the devil, because that's what
I'm supposed to do, right uh huh. So I deleted my channel.
But then I'm sitting there and I'm like, God is like showing me,
Peter, this is how God showed me. He showed me, p You're
the apostle, right, And Jesus comes along says ten words, follow me
and I'll make you Fisher's de men, and it says he immediately dropped his
nets and followed super Destiny laid at your feet. Well, we'll imagine that
this is what God showed me, Like this kind of like a picture or
whatever. Peter goes back to his wife and he goes, hey, honey,
this carpenter from Gali came and I think he's the Messiah and I just
dropped my nest. I'm gonna follow him. We're gonna follow hi because Peter
was married. And then and then the wife goes, what do you mean
you're gonna drop your nets? You're a fisherman. How are we going to
provide for ourselves? Your father was a fisherman and your grandfather. You are
not going to drop your nets? And what if Peter was like, yes,
dear oh, I was like I was like, good point, God,
good points. So the sense of destiny that is laying upon me is
so heavy because this is happening right. And the problem is the majority of
the entire body of Christ is unaware that the Bible is being fiddled with by
the devil, and they don't want to know. They don't know, and
they don't want to know. And so last year, you're my ministry was
to the community and the discipling the follower. But this year God's turned us
outwards and we are now starting to do debates with pastors and it is fireworks,
fireworks, because they've got to know, because I don't believe this is
a salvation issue if you don't see this, but it is perilous because the
things that are in your Bible are becoming so corrupt that I can see how
it continues. It could be the source of the great falling away or how
the very elector to see, because you're going to hear from the Antichrist and
he's going to point to the Bible to support that he's the guy, and
you're going to be like, well, I guess I misunderstood who Jesus was
because everything this guy's talking about himself is in the Bible. And then you'll
take the mark and then you will be damned. Yeah, okay, that's
that's my response to why it matters. I've got Leviticus twelve eight says you
can sacrifice turtles to God. I mean, if that doesn't knock you off
your chair, I don't know what will. You've got men breastfeeding in numbers
eleven verse twelve. Have I conceived of list people? Have I begotten them?
That thou shouldst say unto me? Carry them in thy bosom as a
nursing father beareth the sucking child. And then, of course Isaiah eight one.
You've got Isaiah knocks up a prophetess and has an illegitimate child. I'm
sorry, but I've been in the Bible forty years and now Isaiah never knocked
up anybody, okay, period, And now it says, then I made
love to the prophetess and she conceived and gave birth to a son, and
the Lord said to me, name him mahar Shallah hash Baths. You might
remember that. But every time I ask believers, it's like ninety five percent
say no way. And you've got Isaiah thirty six ten, where you've got
a description of people drinking their own piss and eating their own dung. Yet
look seventeen thirty four, you have two men in a bed and two women
grinding. Two men in a bed was two men in a field, and
actually says it after that now, but this was added. And if you
think that we just have dirty minds, you're wrong, because the LBGT community
has seized on this because what happens with the two men in the bed is
one of them gets raptured. So they're pointing to this now and they're saying,
see, you can be gay and go to heaven. And again again,
that never that dialogue, that narrative never happened in thirty five years of
being a devout believer, and in the ministry, I think I would have
heard of the two men in a bad thing or along the way. Yeah,
and I would ask you, people are gonna that. The next question
I think that most people would ask you is why would God allow this?
Oh my gosh, thank you for asking that. Yeah, okay, of
course, who can know the mind of God. We actually are allowed to
know God, but we can't ever really understand him. And because it'll take
all of eternity for his divine perfections to be unfolded to us throughout eternity,
the divine perfection of his love, of his righteousness, of his wisdom,
of his holiness, we'll look at him in astonishment and be figuring there's an
infinite ocean of him in this one aspect, and I can't even taken a
grain of it. How will I? You won't be able to even handle
the glory that he has, and it'll be one drop of an endless ocean.
So we'll look forward in astonishment in eternity as we learn more and more
of who this God really is. But what's happened with this is very similar
to what happened when Jesus came, the Son of God, was God incarnate,
The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. So just as an aside.
My definition of what the word means is the word is the expressed will
of God as seen in Christ Jesus, because Jesus said, if you see
me, you've seen the Father. And he said, I don't do anything
unless I see the Father do it first. So Jesus's narrative was, whatever
God wants, that's what I do. And even in the garden he said,
I don't want to go to the cross, but nevertheless my will so
and then we're told in the beginning was the word, and the word was
with God, and the word was God. Verse fourteen, the word became
flesh and dwelt among us. Well, that's Jesus. So the word is
Jesus. But what does that really mean. Well, to some degree,
the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are the Godhead, the
one, the three in one trinity. This God is one God, but
he's expressed as three separate personalities. And the Father sent the Son to do
his will. He sent the Word to go down and be the propitiation for
fallen man. What is the word? The word is the expressed will of
the Father as seen in Jesus Christ. That doesn't change, and that is
forever settled in heaven. But the terrestrial book is absolutely subject by God's decree,
and in his infinite wisdom, He's allowing this attack because he told us
it would happen in Daniel seven twenty five and also Second Thessalonians chapter two.
Okay, but you're asking me why. So Jesus comes on the scene,
and the Pharisees didn't recognize that God was standing right in front of them except
Nicodemus. Nicodemus perceived the glory of Jesus and that Jesus' message was more accurate,
and he snuck out right in the middle of the night to go meet
this messiah, and he he connected with Jesus. But the branco file Pharisee
was corrupt. They were thinking that they could know God through their head knowledge.
And we have the exact same problem in this day and age. And
so this is what I believe is part of this is a redemptive judgment,
which means it's the goal of it is to win us back to a relation
tim And so what God is allowing is for this voice of the stranger to
start percolating up in the scriptures, just as Daniel seven twenty five speaks up
that he will speak great swelling words and wear out the saints. I believe
that's what he's talking about. And what's happening is the same thing in reverse.
They didn't recognize Jesus when he came, and now Jesus is essentially leaving
the text and they're not recognizing that he's gone. And this is a test
to the body of Christ. And I'm speaking to you, sir, pastor,
church leader, deacon. Do you know God or do you just know
the book? Because if you can, if you can listen to me,
tell you that men are breastfeeding and Peter is running around naked. David and
Jonathan are clearly engaged in homosexual reality experience because it said now says David exceeded,
which means to grow as if in your body. These are outrageous anomalies.
And you're going to defend that because you have a doctrine that the Bible
can't change. That's what the Pharisees did. I'm sorry, your doctrine is
incorrect. We have been told all of our Christian life. From the front
of the room, I hold in my hand the eternal Word of God,
and with all due respect, no you don't. What you hold in your
hand is the scriptures, which contain, like a cup contains water, contains
the Word of God. And so it's sloppy doctrine. And the church has
led us into this almost where they've institutionalized the Bible and they've essentially over and
now this is blasphemy to the rank and phile Baptist preacher. Okay, where
I'm going to make a statement that I see very clearly many do that you've
over emphasized the role of scripture in the in the in the life of the
believer. Okay, think about the thief on the cross. He didn't know
nothing and he got into heaven. And we've got it all down to formulas,
the Roman road, romans, you know, how you confess with your
heart and believe in your heart with you know, it's all like becoming like
incantations. And the pastors have become like attorneys, chop chop chop chop chop,
getting you all the rules blah blah blah blah blah. And if you
get out of line, and you can't be out of church, are you
in a local church? You have to be under authority. And I got
saved in a church. I'm not anti church, Okay, I'm just anti
I'm anti lies. And I'm watching these pastors try to defend what's obviously happening.
And they're liars. They're lying to us. They don't believe that the
human memories unreliable, and the cockleman the answers they're giving us are obviously desperate
type answers because they don't want it to be true. And I do believe
to some degree with many of them it's because of the rich young ruler prince
all right, you remember the rich young rule vaguely? Yeah, Okay,
this guy was devout. He comes to Jesus unsolicited and he goes, Master,
I've kept the commandments from my youth. Up, what do I lack?
He's like, he's not a worldline. He's like seeking the Lord.
But by Jesus puts his finger. He's a word of knowledge and he says,
sell all that you have and give it to the poor man. That's
a big ass, And he's like, give it, give it all away,
not like in grease your thighs, right, like I want you to
go adam bomb for me to just drop everything and follow me. And then
then the guy says nothing. He is. He just all it says is
he walked away said because he had great riches. All right. So I'm
going to pastors and they're telling us, George, if if I tell my
congregation that the Bible's changeing, I won't have a job anymore. I'm like,
let me step back from you, bro. If you're gonna say that
in front of God, I'm gonna want to be too close to you.
Yeah, you're just abdicated your mantle as a as a shepherd, and you're
a hireling. Sir, You're now you're We have pastors that are telling us,
we know the Bible's changing, but we're not going to say anything.
You're a hireling. You're you're. What you're doing is you're confessing that you
are now a co conspirator with slew Foot to to keep the char the church
in in this deception that this isn't happening, and you're going to stand before
God. I have to give it, not want to be I mean,
this is this is total war. There's the dividing of the body of Christ,
the wheat and the tears. This is a huge topic. So that's
my answer to why is this important? Very interesting, and you laid it
out extremely well. And to think about the power, whether it's magic with
a k or to be able to take words and not just words on a
notepad or on my white board that's over here, but to actually take and
change or in that one case, what was that, Luke eight twenty seven,
what was it again? Yeah? Uh, yeah, Luke where it's
two men and a bad You mean now that where they added the entire verse,
that last verse about slang. Oh, yes, so I lost my
change there, meant to write it down. It's definitely not eight. Yeah,
it's uh, maybe it's one, right, Luke, nineteen twenty seven.
All right, thank you, thank you for an entire verse to be
added that's powerful and scary at the same time. Right, some have changed,
others have been added. There's there's new places, new new uh names.
You see a whole list of new names in the Bible that are completely
unfamiliar. I'll give you give you the list. Jeremy Jeremiah is now listed
as Jeremy. Noah is no e Asher is Asser. Joseiah is shown in
is Os. Debucannezzar is now Nebuchadrezzer. Uh Sham is Sam, Gideon is
Gadon, Neptilli is Neptilim. John the Baptist is John Baptist. Elijah is
Delias, John is Joe, Bussis, Isaiah is assaias, Timothy is Timotheus,
Manassa is man asses He from his Joseph, Zebulon is Zebu Lawn and
Boas my favorite is Booze. Now when we're when we ask the church leaders
who I have unlimited respect for, because I've been one, I don't.
I don't have but acts to grind. But their answers are cockamabe. Okay,
we're like, Look, in Matthew twenty four thirty seven, the King
James New Testament translates Noah's name as NOI. Well, then in Second Peter
two five, the same New Testament, it translates it as Noah. Now,
what we're told is the reason it's translated Noe John is because it's a
transliteration from the original. Well, first of all, no, okay,
all my life, no Noah was not Noe. This is brand new,
and we're all freaked out nobody's in our Bible. But let's just go with
the commentary thing. Why didn't the translators translate it Noah or Knowe in both
places. And so then somebody I said this on a live stream, and
somebody put a post like, well, the writers of the New Testament,
we're writing to the Jews and Matthew and not Well. I sent that question
to my friend Paul Graftonholt, and he said, dougs, that's horrendous exegesus.
He said, there's no way it would be the same in both.
So we have these glaring anomalies that have no explanation, and the only impast
to accepting this is your doctrine that it can't change. Once that's been addressed,
I mean, a ten year old concedence's happening. There's female angels in
the Bible now Zachariah five to nine. Now it doesn't actually say they're angels,
but listen to this. Then I then lifted I. I can't even
read. The syntax is so garbled. Now then lifted I up mine eyes
and looked, and behold, there came out two women, and the wind
was in their wings, for they had wings like the wings of a stork.
And they lifted up the efa between the earth and the heaven. Well,
all of my Christian life in the ministry on the platform. I have
personally been in probably two hundred churches traveling through music ministry. So I'm not
a benchwarmer, Okay, I'm I'm in there right, And never did I
ever hear any other viewpoint that the Bible teaches men angels have always been represented
as male in the Bible. So if this was in here, even if
it's vague, right it doesn't say female angels, I wouldn't I would have
known about it, and so would about a million other people. And but
now it's there, and and so you know, you're just you're gonna have
to deal with this because it is very disruptive. There's no question. It's
an It's a doctrinal adam bombm and you know, but that's how God rolls.
Whenever you read about revivals. One of the hallmarks of the revival is
that the control grid gets exploded. You know, your ministry schedule goes out
the window. You know, it's normally greet the people two fast songs,
you have announcements, three medium too too slow, and then you have the
offer tory and then a thirty two minute messenger. Everybody's out by eleven fifty
five. Right, yeah, that that I'll tell you that that that is
my biggest pet pee. When preachers talking, he looks at his watching he
says, I need to wrap it up because it's it's eleven fifty five,
just like, oh, my goodness, if I did that in the military.
Because the role in the military is you trained to task, not to
time, and we're talking about eternity. That should that should be the most
important thing. If you're more worried about a football game than you know,
salvation, then we've got some problems, right, And for many of us,
this has been the greatest thing George to happen to our relationship with him,
because we realized that we had become pharaceuticals ourselves. So we started to
treat the Bible. You know, initially it was a fiery love affair,
but then over time you start to treat it like a self help book.
Like, you know, you've got problems in your life, you get depression,
you've got battles with suck, and so you think, oh, the
reason I have problems is because I don't have enough information, and so you
start going to the Bible to get more information to fix your problems. But
that isn't what the Bible's role is. It's all relational. It's a prayer
book, it's a it's a doorway to him. And unless you approach it
that way, you know, it becomes the letter killeth and the spirit giveth
life. And a lot of us fell into that, and you know,
it's become an idol in a sense, because it's very easy to substitute head
knowledge for repenting of your wickedness. You know, you know you resent your
mom and your dad beat you with a hammer and you hate his guts.
You know, well that's no, you can't. You can't have forgiveness or
lust, or you're stealing things. You're you're you know, you're you're on
a tear with the with the chemicals, right, You're you're hitting that booze
pretty hard and you know it's wrong, and you're showing up at church and
Bible study though, right, So hey, God knows I'm in the game.
No, no, you can't take the Bible as a substitute for repentance,
because God said, you know, I don't need sacrifice, I need
to contrite heart. That's what I'm looking for. And so this is the
wake up call final wake up call to purify the bride and say, look,
my children. You know I'm not I'm not advocating that we we depart
from the scripture. I'm just reporting on what's happening and trying to formulate a
response because we gotta we gotta respond to this somehow. And so what I
am saying is that there is there is a need in this hour to return
to our first love, not to abandon the scriptures, but to know that's
in there and begin to have a discerning eye when you're reading it so you're
not let astray. That's all. Just don't turn a blind eye to it
because it's a hard thing, because that's what most people are doing, indeed,
and the most important thing. And again this isn't a salvation issue,
which is the most important thing to remind people, but in your eyes it
is. It's an extremely important issue. And there is something at a higher
level that has gone on here and made a lot of interesting points. And
it was there anything that we haven't touched on that you wanted to mention?
Yeah, I have an appeal, Yes, sure, the believer. What
we're trying to do at this point is to bring this topic into the city
gate. For seven years, we have been brushed aside. We've been ignored
and marginalized and even attacked. And well, we can't get church leaders to
even come on the live streams and talk with us. So if you are
a church leader, or you can put me in touch with ones that will
just come and talk to us. Okay, if we're deceived, like you
believe, I have five thousand subscribers that you can reach with one conversation,
come and share how what we're saying is impossible, and then be willing to
have a discourse with us. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna try to disparage
you, Okay, Timothy says. The goal of our instruction is loved from
a pure heart. However, what we aren't going to allow anymore is for
the church leaders to act as gatekeepers. And because they're not your property,
those are my brothers and sisters that you have been given the watch over.
And when we approach pastors and they refuse to carve out thirty minutes to look
at our research, we then post on their channel a list of things like
I just shared with you, and we share with our heart is broken.
We tried to talk to the pastor. He wouldn't talk to us. So
we're giving this to you directly. That's what Matthew eighteen teaches us. If
her brothers and sin, you go to him, and if he doesn't accept
you, you escalate. And so I'm asking for the church to step out
into the open and meet with us in public discourse and talk about this.
And so if you can help me in my email is please wake up or
else at gmail dot com send me an email. We'll have a conversation.
We'll get some pastors on here, and we'll see if we're all nuts.
We're definitely not biblically a litter because I got Bible scholars now that are with
me. So you can't say that I'm definitely not a wolf and sheep's clothing,
because I'm a wolf. If I'm not a sheep's clothing, I'm out
on the open right and I'm not unreachable. I'm the one asking for you
to come out and show me that I'm wrong. If I'm wrong, I'm
willing to be instructed. Did So that's my plea. My plea is for
help for me to get this conversation out into the public because it's like pulling
teeth. We're reaching out to pastors every day and they won't give us a
time of day. They refuse. It doesn't surprise me. Are you still
doing the Friday night at seven pm the Truth or Fellowship? Yeah? Yeah,
we have a we have a series of calls we do. We have
a meeting on Mondays at two for people with addictions on Free Conference Call dot
com and the past words wake Up or Else. And then Fridays at seven
we have a fellowship for just just to hang out where people that are in
the Truther movement can go and be with other Truthers and just talk about what's
going on and not be alone. And then I do it training on Mondays
at eight on becoming an American state national and freeing yourself from the tyranny of
the corporate governments. And then you know, we do live streams Wake Up
or Else on the YouTube pretty pretty regularly. Now that's great. And by
the way, folks just go to his website wake Up or Else dot com.
The link will be in the show description all the times to the Recovery
Fellowship, the Truth Or Fellowship, the Free Conference Call website, the passwords.
There's affidavits, there's the link to his books resources. There's a ton
of knowledge if you're interested, and all the links to his Facebook, Twitter,
Rumble and YouTube channels are on the website as well. Again, all
that will be in the show description. And John, it's been a fascinating
ninety minutes, and I'll give you the last word, sir. I just
want to thank you, George, because I know what this stakes for someone
with your reputation to be willing to to have someone come on and talk about
this topic. It's very polarized, and so I just want to command you
and appreciate you for being willing to even have this conversation on your podcast.
I think it's outrageous that we can't get folks who even talk about us.
So thank you, Thank you so much. So as my golden rule as
the truth, there is question everything everything, and I always leave it to
the listeners to decide whether or not it's it's viable or not. I just
bring people on, they present the evidence, and it's up to the listeners.
And I don't think I've ever said no to someone who asked if I'm
on the program. It's just I've gone down too many rabbit holes. That
why I first thought, this is ridiculous and everybody knows what I'm talking about.
And then it turns out that you know there was something to it.
And again, even during the course of the last ninety minutes, if there's
one nugget that we happen to discuss helped someone connect to another uh you know,
connect another dot, then we did something. And the most important thing
again is uh salvation. Right, this isn't as salvation issue, but in
your eyes, it's a big issue. But I always like to end with
you know, it's the most important thing as Christians, as we really we
let our followers of Christ. I like to say, actually, is that
the most important thing is make sure you admit you're a sinner and you ask
Jesus into your heart and try to spread the word like we do in the
truth or community. Yes, super interview, George Super Super, Thank you
so much, well, thank you, best of luck. And I've got
so many people love your book, The Conspiracy Theorist Survival Guide. Great,
great book. I've gotten so much feedback, so I know a lot of
listeners out there are going through similar things that you have done. And you
wrote it from a first person perspective because you've dealt with it of extreme level.
And wish you all the best, sir, and look forward to you
back down the road. Yeah, the audio version on the book will be
up on Amazon sometime next week, so if you want to get the audio
will be on audible and iTunes and on on Amazon so you can listen to
it. Did you do the the audio? No, actually paid someone to
to the narration because it's it's a good bit of work. Wow. Yeah,
very interesting. Well, best of luck. Thank you so much,
George, God blessed. Thank you guys for listening. I appreciate it absolutely
For John, I'm George God bless you all, and keep your head on
this webble and until the next time, my friends, we will see you.
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