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This is Dan capless and welcome to
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single day on your favorite podcast platform. Think about what we've confirmed today.

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We've confirmed the capitalist theory that Hunter
Biden owns Joe Biden. Joe Biden will

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do whatever Hunter Biden tells him to
do because Hunter Biden has the evidence.

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Hunter Biden can put Joe Biden in
jail or at the very least, get

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Joe Biden convicted of felonies, at
the very least destroyed Joe Biden's legacy because

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Hunter Biden was Joe Biden's bag man. So that's the moment we're living in

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right now. I've been saying it
for a long time on this show.

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Today it was essentially confirmed by an
NBC News report. Cut double zero,

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please, Ryan, breaking news.
We're now learning that Hunter Biden is attending

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some the President's meetings at the White
House, staying close to his father post

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debate, and vaci's Monica Elba is
reporting from Washington, DC. What more

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can you tell us, Monica,
Well, these are new details coming into

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our team. Chris, along with
my colleagues Kristen Welker, Mike Emily,

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and Sarah Fitzpatrick, we have learned
from sources familiar with the situation at the

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White House that Hunter Biden has been
by his father's side ever since they were

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at Camp David this weekend of the
family where they had some discussions about the

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president's potential path forward here and his
re election campaign, and that since he

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returned from Camp David last evening with
his father, we understand that Hunter Biden

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has even joined some meetings and conversations
that have taken place between the President and

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some of his most senior advisors and
senior staff. And while we should note

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that it's not unusual for Hunter Biden
to be at the White House, to

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be in the residence, to be
attending certain White House events which we have

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certainly seen time and time again over
the last three and a half years,

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where we have seen photos of him, and where he has appeared in public,

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it is unusual, according to the
people we spoke with, for him

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to be participating at this level and
to have the sort of regularity of some

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of these contacts and conversations with senior
staff. We understand again since returning yesterday

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from Camp David, where they were
more huddled as a family, to now

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as the President has resumed some of
his more traditional meetings at the White House

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with those key advisors. It's unusual
because he's said, of course, it's

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unusual. He's a guilty, convicted
felon crack addicts as well as a sex

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addict. He would have nothing to
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That's why it's unusual. The only
reason, and if you see a

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flow in this logic, you know
where to find me is Prime would say

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eight five five four zero five eight
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seven through nine. The only reason
Hunter Biden is in those meetings is

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because he's the decider. He's deciding
whether Joe Biden steps aside is nominee,

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whether Joe Biden steps aside as president. He's making those decisions based on what's

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best for Hunter, what gives Hunter
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And Dan, I have a tweet
to add to this, also from

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NBC and a very reliable reporter for
them, a Kendalanian. He sends this

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out on ac slash Twitter quote Hunter
Biden has joined meetings with President Biden and

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his top aides this week at the
White House. Four people familiar with the

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matter tell my colleagues who are told
The reaction from some senior White House staff

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has been quote, what the hell
is happening? Unquiet? I thought there'd

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be a different word at the end
of that. But yes, and that's

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how it's leaked to NBC. Right, But again, can somebody please you

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use your imagination be as wild as
you possibly can be. What other reason

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would there be for Hunt to be
in these high level White House meetings other

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than Hunter making the decision on whether
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as president? So what would you
do? And I'd love to hear from

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folks on this. You can text
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five five for zero five eight two
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You make this decision. You get
to make it. You get to make

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it based on your best chance to
stay out of jail. What do you

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do? What do you do Ryan
as survival for him at this point right,

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like you've been illustrating. Yeah,
what what's the path though, is

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hunter. Do you say, Okay, Joe, here's what's happening. You're

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going to hang in there no matter
what. Yep, Because the only chance

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that I have to stay out of
jail, the only chance both of us

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have, is that you somehow win
this election. So you're gonna hang in

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there and we're just going to bet
the ranch on it, just like we

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did in the beginning. Do you
do that or you say, Okay,

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Joe, here's what's going to happen. We're going to do a deal with

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Kamala. And the deal with Kamala
is is going to be that she's going

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to protect me. You're going to
resign as president. Kamala is going to

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have a few months of the presidency
to strengthen her as a candidate in November,

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and then that's our best chance to
stay out of jail. Is a

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Democrat administration run by Kamala Harris who's
gonna protect us. And oh, by

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the way, Joe, in the
meantime, you know, hours before you

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resign, you're going to pardon me? Is that what you do? Can't

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trust the latter option. I don't
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I think even Hunter Biden is smart
enough to realize that. But Dan,

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the picture you've painted, while it
looks like a Picasso, is a

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masterpiece. And I believe it's true, and I believe I have Hunter Biden

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to thank for my Tomahawk Ribby stake
at Shanahan's coming up. Well, it's

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the only chance you have, because
the only way Joe Biden stays as the

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nominee is if Hunter Biden decides he's
going to stay. Otherwise he gets run

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out on a rail. Because Hunter
Biden is the only person who can trump

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the left, because the left right
now can say, Okay, Joe,

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we're going to unleash all of these
true stories about your corruption. We're going

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to unleash all these true stories about
your perversion allegedly, We're going to unleash

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all that. But you know what, compared to what Hunter can do to

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him, that's child's play. Because
Hunter was the bag man. And Hunter

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could walk into a prosecutor's office,
state prosecutor, federal prosecutor, and Joe

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Biden's done eight five five or zero
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So which of those scenarios and maybe
some other scenario is most likely but

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make no mistake about it. Hunter
gets to decide. Think about the world

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we live in right now, I've
been saying this for all Think about the

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world we live in. Hunter.
Biden controls the president of the United States.

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What could possibly go wrong? Brian
and Arvada. You're on the Dan

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Kaplis show. Welcome, Well to
begin with Dan, he can be pardoned

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immediately by his father. His father
probably has it in his will. Hunters

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can be immediately. It won't work
in the will. So you're right.

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You can't just say die and then
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you get the beach house, Hunter, you get pardoned. You can't

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do that, So Joe Biden has
to pardon him while he's alive. That

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may happen very soon because Hunter Biden
knows his dad could die any day,

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and at that point he's at consequences. What do you mean, you mean

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if he's pardoned. If he's pardoned, then it doesn't matter whether his dad

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wins or not. He's off the
hook, right, No, no,

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no, no, no. You
can only pardon him for certain things,

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and you cannot pardon him for state
crimes. Cannot pardon him for state crimes.

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So well, I mean, first
of all, look at Donald Trump,

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who committed no crimes and has been
convicted in a politically motivated state court.

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But beyond that, if you believe, as I do, that Hunter

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Biden and Joe Biden have been engaged
in widespread corruption selling access to the White

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House with Hunter Biden as the bag
man, well there are I think there

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are a lot of different places that
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that may involve so well, and
then the other issue you get is is

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the scope of the pardon that the
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Now, Biden can simply directly pardon
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the tax of Asian charge, the
gun charges he just went down on.

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But could Biden fashion a pardon large
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the federal crimes that Hunter may be
guilty of. Maybe, But I don't

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think that's a sure thing, you
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bit deeper. I think what we
got here is a free for all.

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Okay, we got big farmer running
rampant, I mean give you know,

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mutilate and children. Because Joe Biden's
obviously for sale. We know that we

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know this guy's been inconfident, we
know this guy running anything. We wouldn't

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trust him to watch our kids for
an hour for crying out loud, you

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know. But let me ask you
this question. War complex has got a

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hold of them because more than any
of these Oh, I'm sure it's the

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Catholic Church, right, because this
is the only call you've made to us

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in months that him out. No, no, I'm not even to miss

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in Catholic Church. Oh, okay, okay. I worry more about is

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the deep state? Is the deep
state people like Mike Johnson who decided that

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the Ukraine funding the Ukraine War was
more important than we're losing almost one hundred

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thousand military aged men due to this
invasion on the border. But Mike Johnson

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decided, Hey, man, well, I don't care about your guys a

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sovereignty. Now he's on TV all
the time, running his mouth, running

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on due hotel. That's the next
time we do a Mike Johnson show,

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we're gonna call you and make you
our special guest. But but nobody cares

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about Mike Johnson today. Republicans,
we've got a Republicans. Hey, let

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me ask you a quick question second, let me ask you a quick question

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other than my sery that Hunter Biden
is deciding whether Joe stays or goes.

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What reason would there be for Hunter
Biden to now be at the White House

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involved in high level policy meetings?
What other reasons? And I gotta go,

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I gotta hit this break. Can
you think of one that's part of

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the plan, Dan, But you
gotta watch, you got you gotta dig

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a little bit deeper. How many
other people are depending on this sellout?

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We know it's a sellout. How
many other people is the war complex is

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big farm depending? Yes, a
lot of people are a lot of Republicans

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got to hit the break. Thank
you, You're on the Dan Caplas Show

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and now back to the Danaplas Show
podcast. So, with all the respect,

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it is not it is not honest
to say that this is just one

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night. There have been moments like
this that people have seen in front of

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the cameras and other moments but without
what cameras not there. That's Jake Tapper

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to Senator Chris Coons, who lies
all the time, and the left not

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only doesn't call them out, they
coddle them. But this is this is

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one of the most beautiful things we've
ever experienced, right, the Left turning

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on itself because they've all been lying
to us for a very long time,

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and now they've been exposed by Biden
last Thursday night. It's now they're all

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running for cover, all trying to
protect themselves, and it's it's just one

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of the coolest things I've ever seen. So if you just joined us,

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the capitalist theory was proven today.
Remember I've been saying for a long time

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that Hunter Biden owns Joe Biden.
Joe Biden must do what Hunter tells him

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to do, because Unter Biden can
put Joe in jail or at least get

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him convicted of felonies, because Hunter
Biden was his bag man. And so

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it was confirmed today indirectly, but
I think on equivocally by NBC News with

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this report, and as you listened
to this, cut double zero, tell

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me what other reason other than the
capitalist theory being true would there be for

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Hunter Biden now suddenly being in high
level policy meetings at the White House,

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Cut double zero breaking news. We're
now learning that Hunter Biden is attending some

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of the President's meetings at the White
House, staying close to his father post

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debate, NBC's Monica Elba is reporting
from Washington, DC. What more can

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you tell us, Monica, Well, these are new details coming into our

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team. Chris, along with my
colleagues Christen Welker, Mike Emily, and

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Sarah Fitzpatrick, we have learned from
sources familiar with the situation at the White

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House that Hunter Biden has been by
his father's side ever since they were at

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Camp David this weekend the family where
they had some discussions about the President's potential

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path forward here and his re election
campaign, and that since he returned from

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Camp David last evening with his father, we understand that Hunter Biden has even

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joined some meetings and conversations that have
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his most senior advisors and senior staff. And while we should note that it's

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not unusual for Hunter Biden to be
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the residence, to be attending certain
White House events which we have certainly seen

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time and time again over the last
three and a half years, where we

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have seen photos of him and where
he has appeared in public, it is

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unusual, according to the people we
spoke with, for him to be participating

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at this level and to have the
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and conversations we senior staff. We
understand again since returning yesterday from Camp David,

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where they were more huddled as a
family, now as the President has

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resumed some of his more traditional meetings
at the White House with those key advisors.

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Yeah, of course it's unusual.
There's no legitimate reason for him to

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be there. So the only reason
for him to be there is because I'm

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right, he's making the decision whether
Biden stays or goes, his nominee stays

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or goes as president, based upon
what's best for Hunter, what's most likely

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to keep Hunter out of jail.
So what do you think that decision is

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if you were in hunter shoes?
And Ryan, I want to correct something

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I think I said earlier. Hunter
Biden was a crack addict. I don't

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know if that's true or not.
I do know he was a coke addict,

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right, I can't remember all of
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There is video evidence on the laptop
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cocaine being measured out on a scale. So that was gray, And so

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what do you do. If you're
Hunter Biden right now, I'd love to

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hear from you in this What do
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you direct him to just hang in
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chance we have to protect ourselves from
being criminally prosecuted and potentially jailed. So

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you've got to hang in there,
Joe. You've got to see this thing

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through and we'll take our chances.
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Joe, you need to We'll cut
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go as the nominee. It needs
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you need to resign as president so
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strengthen her as a candidate. What
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Because clearly at this point Hunter is
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a text here, which is one
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can Joe Biden Hunter pardon Hunter before
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case? How do you pardon someone
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conviction is? You are pardoning?
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think there's any doubt about this somebody
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the president can pardon a person for
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at least all federal crimes committed in
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requires at all waiting until after a
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obviously, until after somebody's been convicted, but a flat out pardon,

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no, I think that can be
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anybody out there believes I'm wrong,
please let us know. Eight fib five

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for zero five A two five five
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three nine. So love to hear
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There are so many different ways this
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Hunter is Hunter. But I have
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thing I don't know is if Joe
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order of pardon for Hunter Biden tonight, but not release it, just sit

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on it, you know, But
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death because he loses presidential powers you
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but obviously he could just keel over. So yeah, that's that's another

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interesting scenario because you got to believe
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is secured while his dad's still alive. Eight five for zero five eight two

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five five the number. Hey,
Finally a Colorado Democrat comes out and calls

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for Joe Biden to leave office,
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Biden to withdraw as the presumptive nominee. Which Colorado Democrat has stepped forward.

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Polus has been in hiding. Almost
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Why have they been hiding and why
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you're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show
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victory for Donald Trump. It means
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before Judge Chuck in the District of
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after the election. But I think
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at how Chief Justice Roberts framed the
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conduct is not only off limits for
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evidence presented about official conduct. That's
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today, the court in the wrongful
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sentence scene until well after the Republican
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for the week of the convention,
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the court can consider Trump's motion that
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his convictions. So in any case, the sentencing now, which you can

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expect, will likely go forward in
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even closer to election day. So
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I think it helps him. And
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lines. And here's why, because
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Andy McCarthy has spoken to this very
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once there was an actual sentencing in
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Trump never should have been convicted.
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voters in the middle are thinking,
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been sentenced to jail. What's that
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been concerned that that might hurt Trump. Now it could backfire as well,

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right, but it's a wild card
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this is going to be put off
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better for Trump because I think he's
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I think this is better for him. Let's go back to the gam

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lines. If you just oh yeah, thank you, Ryan for reminding me.

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I teased into this. Colorado Democrats, very typical for these elected Democrats

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in Colorado, have gone into hiding
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be the nominee, whether he should
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right that they're not leaders. They
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hurt them. But Adam Frish,
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who is raised about what fifteen million
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going to be running against Lauren and
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aside as the nominee, So Adam
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nominee, it's going to take him
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to lose to Jeff Hurd anyway.
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now? Or other Colorado Democrats going
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together. Let's go to the phone
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Colorado. Alexa, How you doing? How are you Dan? Great?

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Thank you? What are you thinking
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of all, happy early thirtieth dinniverse? Yeah, thank you, thank you.

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The last day of our thirtieth year
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full years tomorrow. Such a lovely
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Half of it is one possible small
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your theory is great, But what
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Joe than Hunter does? Great question. The theory that Alexa's referring to is

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that Hunter Biden is calling the shots. Joe Biden will do it under a

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Hunter tells him to do. That's
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is now involved in high level White
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House itself. Great thinking on your
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the deep State is able to call
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Here's why I think my theory is
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you may be that the deep State
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deep State doesn't have the direct mechanism
to use that against Joe. You can

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leak it here, you can leak
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can't walk into a prosecutor's office and
say, let's make a deal. Deep

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State, you know, can't directly
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want to tell my story. And
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Hunter Biden, he's a bag man, right. He could walk in any

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of those places and just lay it
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could approach Joe and Hunter and say, you guys, don't bow out of

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the race. This is what we're
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way or another. You can just
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Yeah and listen. No, no, it's fascinating, fascinating. I get

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it. And all I would say
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then for the deep State to deploy
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through others, right, they'd have
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But no, I love it.
Thank you for that deep thinking,

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pun intended Alexa, Thank you,
take care of Thank you very much.

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I'm sure tomorrow will be Chris in
Fremont County. You're on the Dan Kathla

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Show. Welcome Big I. How
are you living the dream? Thank you

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living the dream? Hey, kudos
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agreed with everything that you say,
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which has been years, the more
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you. You know a couple of
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Was one of the things was during
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and Trump said, hey, let's
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a little uh kissel about golf and
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it's kind of funny, but you
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business and you look, you know, everybody super analyzes every single word and

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syllable and everything else, but point
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golf man and both of them agreed, and Biden actually said Hey, let's

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do it, buddy, if you
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I would love to see any of
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with that one. Yeah, no, I love Chris. Just settle the

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race that way. I mean,
I have seen Biden's golf swing, okay,

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and I'm not God's gift to golf. But Biden is a hack.

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shows what a liar he is to
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around the course, forget the golf
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course and still beat him. Yeah. Yeah, And even even if they

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just said, you know what,
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of be a little pushy there.
Let's be friends, right, I mean,

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we are Christians, you know,
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God that get right. I mean, we got to get our moral stance

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from let's use the golf cart,
right, Let's let's just go and see

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what happens at that point. You
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holes of some sort of a still
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two of those almost remind me of
my ex wife and our relationship in regards

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to my child. Yeah, but
I doubt Chris, your f your ex

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wife tried to put you in jail
for the rest of your life, tried

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to cause you to die in jail, right, And I love your generosity

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life spirit. I just think that
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You're a good man. Thanks for
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to get everybody on here before the
buzzer. We do have one segment left.

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Everybody in the lines hanging there.
I'll get to you on the other

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side if you just joined us.
Really important news of the day, some

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of the most important news reported,
and it tells you more about where this

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is headed than anything else you've heard
reported. NBC breaking the story. Hunter

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Biden has been at the White House
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Joe Biden and high level staff.
You tell me, other than Hunter Biden

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now calling the shots because he owns
Joe Biden, what other reason would there

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be for him to be there?
And what do you think Hunter Biden is

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going to decide about whether Joe stays
or goes. What's in Hunter's best interest?

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You're on the Dan Kaplas Show,
and now back to the Dan Kaplas

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Show podcast. So, with all
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not honest to say that this is
just one night. There have been moments

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like this that people have seen in
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but without what cameras not there.
Wow, Jake Tapper calling out Senator

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Chris Koons today, This is so
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any of these Democrats, anybody who
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no, Joe Biden, he's competent, He's mentally competent and capable to be

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president. Anybody who says that is
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So certain guys like Chris Coons and
whatever they're willing to go do that.

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I don't know if Coons is up
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bet there won't be many people who
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telling that obvious lie because everybody's going
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you're just a jock sniff and liar. So what about these Colorado Dems.

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Where's the great leadership of Jared Polis
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Johnston. Are they out there speaking
about Joe Biden now, whether he's qualified

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to be president or not. Don't
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It's left to Adam Frish, who's
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know, to come out and say
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Frish knows he's going to go down. If Biden is the nominee, it's

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going to drag the entire ticket down. Well, Frish is going to lose

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any way to Jeff heard big news
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our phone lines, Capitalist theory confirmed
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Biden knows where all the bodies are
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Biden. He was his batman.
So NBC confirming Hunter Biden has been in

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high level policy meetings in the White
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who will decide whether Joe remains the
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or not, all based on what's
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chance to stay out of jail.
What an amazing, terrifying moment we're in.

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Let's go back to the phone lines. I want to start though,

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with one of the best text questions
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saw this text, Dan, why
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from jb He did, not,
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because he didn't need to. He
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poorly to change the channel, right, if the debate went poorly, he

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was going to announce so that the
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debate night went great, so he
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for another big bank. Yeah,
and you want to delay this news cycle.

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Looking at it from a media perspective, Let Joe Biden take all this

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heat, all the focus, all
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till the convention. Really Yeah,
no, that's right, And let's go

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to the phone line. Spot what
a VP Youngkin would make many You know

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it would be nice to get Virginia. Let's go to Don in beautiful Fort

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Collins. You're on the dan Kaplace
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Thanks for taking my call. Sure, so, I guess you know

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the Supreme Court ruling. Oh well, it does seem like it's beneficial to

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President Trump. But my angle on
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acts, I understand would be immune. However, unofficial acts would not now

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advise it warrant would be an official
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war was legitimate. Correct, Well, let me ask you to and are

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you saying that, Well, the
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a campaign you know, uh by
Hillary took Clinton. So but Obama used

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that Steele Dotsier to obtain the buy
the war. Now understand you understand my

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angle, and otherwise I do.
Can I take a second to address it

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because Obama libel or not right?
And that will turn on at that point

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whether Obama was acting as president or
whether he was acting as a political candidate

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or the head of his party.
And the Supreme Court addressed that within the

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opinion, if he took that action
as president of the United States protected if

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it's a core function, absolute immunity. If it's an outer perimeter function,

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presumed immunity. But it can be
challenged. Now that would come back to

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the factual finding of in what capacity
he took that action. My initial reaction

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is no, that that would be
to the extent if you had president Obama

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involved in the Steele dossier, which
was being done for purely political purposes.

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My guess is that would not be
considered an official act. That would be

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you know, in his capacity as
a leader of his political party, that

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his act was not official. Well
right by correct, because what the Supreme

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Court said is the burden is on
those who seek to prove it is not

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an official act. And then what
the Supreme Court critically did, and we'll

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talk about this more in the weeks
to come, is the Supreme Court limited

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the type of inquiry the type of
evidence that could be submitted on that because

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to get that evidence, such as
into the president's motives, you would have

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to then again invade this separation of
powers just through the probe itself. I

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get you, I understand, but
you also understand a quandary involved with it.

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In other words, you know all
now in the future. Don I

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think we lost you there? And
yet, how on earth are you going

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to prove How are you going to
prove one way or the other that the

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act was either official or personally motivated? How are you going to the same

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way? And don let me end
the show with that, because we need

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to get out in a hurry.
Thank you for the great questions. I

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hope you call back and we have
a longer form discussion. My apology to

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everybody else you didn't get through,
but that will be done the same way

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everything else in the process, in
the court process gets proven through the presentation

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of evidence, through the presentation of
argument, through briefs, and directly through

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the court, and it will largely
be a factual finding. Okay, in

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what capacity was the president acting at
that time? And it can go beyond

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that as well. Brian, tremendous
job. Thank you for all your great

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work. Kelly, you as I'll
be off tomorrow to celebrate our thirtieth wedding

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anniversary with Amy John Caldara. We'll
have this show. Have a great day

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tomorrow on The Dan Kaplas Show