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Hello, and welcome to Open Minds
Radio. We are live in Lachlin,

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Nevada at the International UFO Congress.
This is the UFO conference, the largest

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in the United States. There are
probably like a thousand people here. There's

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something like six hundred and fifty people
that preregistered. However, there are dozens

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of people arriving on a daily basis
registering for some of the great talks.

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In fact, I think right now
Travis Walton is talking. If you haven't

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looked into his case, it's incredible. He was the subject of the movie

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Fire in the Skaya Paramount smash hit
about this gentleman who got abducted in the

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seventies. So if you haven't seen
the movie, check it out. Hopefully

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you watched us out in our live
stream last night where we interviewed him and

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he talked about what really happened,
because in this blockbuster movie, the portion

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where this gentleman was a board a
craft is not accurate in the movie.

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However, it was accurate last night
from the mouth of Travis on our life

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streaming at openmindstat TV. So remember
we're doing that every night at seven thirty

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Pacific, so that's eight thirty Arizona
time at openmindstat TV and you can see

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that live tonight. We'll be interviewing
a couple of the guests as well.

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We'll probably have on well we're not
positive who were having on for sure tonight,

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because we're just grabbing people, we're
gonna try to grab Daniel Sheehan.

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He's a lawyer. He helped out
with the Disclosure Project. That's something that

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you definitely have to check out if
you haven't. The Disclosure Project was this

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process where this gentleman, Stephen Greer, got hundreds of witnesses, including many

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of them military, and Daniel Sheehan
was a lawyer who helped him with that

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cause. And essentially their goal was, hey, you know, if you're

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working on these seas black projects,
the oath you took is illegal anyway,

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because there are legal projects. So
if someone comes after you for talking about

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what you've witnessed in the military working
on UFOs or otherwise, then he promised

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he would defend them. And they
went out and talked and nobody the government

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never said, hey, you're not
supposed to be talking about those UFOs,

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so which would kind of be cool
if they did, of course, because

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that would validate that these people really
had some experiences. So that's what we're

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up to. There are speakers all
day today, there are speakers all day

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tomorrow. There's are a film festival
here every evening, and we will be

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filming live the results of the film
festival tomorrow on our streaming and that'll be

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the people who win the coveted Ebe
Award, which the filmmakers win for great

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work. But as usual, before
we get to our guests, and I'd

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better tell you who that guest is, it's the famous Mexican upologist Jaime Mussan

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as his own television show, The
Guy is Famous. I've gotten to dinner

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with a guy and people will come
out of the kitchen and ask for signatures

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and and the Spanish speaking world.
He has mister ufology and we will have

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him on in a minute. But
before we do, we've got Jason McClellan

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back and he is going to give
us some news. Let's talk news,

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Jason, Thanks Alejandro. Let's get
into the news. In Mexico, a

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circular or halo cloud was recently photographed
over Mexico. This cloud was strikingly similar

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to the one seen over Russia last
October Many have speculated that these clouds are

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cloaked UFOs, but meteorologists explained the
phenomenon with rare naturally occurring weather behavior.

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In addition to the sightings in Mexico
and Russia, these strange clouds cloud formations

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have appeared recently in Indonesia and Romania. So all over, yeah, they're

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weird, they're weird stuff. Who's
to say with clouds, But they're definitely

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pretty pictures to look at. We'll
ask me about this Mexican one, for

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sure. On the China, China
has its site that on the Moon.

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In twenty twenty, China hopes to
land its first man ever on the lunar

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surface. This news comes just after
President Obama's cancelation of the NASA's Constellation program,

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the program that would have taken the
US back to the Moon. Another

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space race made to be developing,
as both India and Japan are also planning

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to launch lunar missions later in the
near future. Yeah, I mean that's

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interesting. Obama essentially gave the private
companies the go ahead that they're gonna help

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fund them to do things like go
to the Moon and stuff like that.

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So we'll see if a private company
comes in bids for some sort of projects

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like that, which would be pretty
cool because maybe then you could apply it.

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I could apply to go out there
and I'll be able to broadcast from

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the Moon. That would be really
cool. Let's work on that. Yeah,

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for sure, we've got some inroads
with some of these aerospace companies,

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but that it'll be interesting if India
and China are on the Moon and then

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you know, NASA's on Mars.
That'd be cool, very cool. And

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in some local Arizona news, a
strange light was seen in the sky over

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tuth On earlier this week near Davis
Mothin Air Force Base. Video of the

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daytime sighting was captured on a cell
phone by a sixteen year old boy,

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and it shows a bright object's zooming
through the sky. The object was low

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in the sky and doesn't look like
any earthly craft. TV Channel nine and

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two son did a short story on
the sighting, but was unable to determine

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what it was. Yeah, and
we've got these links on our website,

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So remember front page of Openminds dot
tv. You've got links to all of

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this, including a link to the
Channel nine website where they have a video

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posted that you can look at and
you can determine what you think yourself.

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And they've got their complete coverage of
this situation on their website, which is

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pretty cool. Definitely, I watched
the video yesterday in I've watched it a

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couple of times times. It's kind
of cool to watch these things just zoom

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over the kid's head. Yeah,
and it's neat writ in Tucson, who

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knows what the heck that that thing
is. James mcgaha, who is a

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guy who worked for the Air Force
and is an astronomer, took a look

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at it and kind of debunked it
on the news coverage Channel nine had.

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He also was on Larry King when
they were covering the Phoenix lights and it

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was debunking that. But really what
he has to say is kind of it

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doesn't make sense, it doesn't fit
what you're seeing. He's saying he's not

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a video expert, and he is
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this one. And then he said, there were eight tens that flew over

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Phoenix. Those are very loud planes. Those are as loud as it kids,

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And I'm sure living in Phoenix,
a lot of people have heard those

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A tens fly over. You don't
miss that. But what people described in

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the Phoenix lights made no sound at
all. That's right. I grew up

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in the Buckeye area and we had
a tens flying over the house all the

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time. Those things are loud.
Yeah, they're really loud. So highlights

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from or did you have more news
before I get that's it for me,

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Alejandro Cool? Highlights from Laughlin?
How have you been enjoying yourself? Jason

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Laughlin is fantastic. You know,
this conference last year and it was so

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exciting to come back and you see
a lot of the same people here year

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after year, and you just get
to talk to some incredible people here.

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M h. It's a lot of
fun. And then of course the speakers

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are phenomenal. Are speaker well.
The last few guests that we've had on

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the radio show are here, Chuck
Zukowski, Barbara Lamb, David Sarita.

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People loved last week's show with David
Sarita, and he's here to reveal even

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more. I mean, he told
us some stuff no one else had heard,

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and he's going to be talking about
more that no one else has heard

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here. So it is a lot
of fun. It's a lot of work

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for us of course, doing our
show. We're also taking over the Congress

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and we are moving it to Phoenix, the home of KFNEX Radio. So

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that's really exciting because all of you
in the Phoenix metro area are going to

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be able to come and enjoy this
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So that's a lot of fun.
We are extremely excited about that. It's

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difficult for us in a way because
we're having to convince people who love Laughlin

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that you want to come to Phoenix. But you know what, Phoenix is

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beautiful, so that's absolutely no problem. So this is going to be wonderful

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to have, you know, this
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It's going to be at the Fort
McDowell Resort, which is just gorgeous.

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We have a representative from the resort
here who is handing out paperwork and helping

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us on that. So we and
now everybody else that we've talked to is

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very excited about doing this in Phoenix. We'll be talking more about that,

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but let's go to break. After
the break, we've got him Mussan,

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So stay tuned, all right,
welcome back, and remember at Open Minds

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to that TV you can also see
a lot of news videos. So the

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news that we've got in the magazine, news pieces that we've written about these

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are all encapsulated in these cool little
news vignettes, and we've been taking all

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of them and showing him here at
the Congress and that's been quite a hit,

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a lot of people hanging out and
watching that. But more importantly,

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we've got our guest here with us
in my hotel room. We've got him

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Mussan. Thanks for joining us,
Alejandro. How are you doing good?

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Doing good? You've been keeping busy
here? Huh. Yes, I am

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coming from interviewing Stan Romaneque, which
is an extraordinary case. I know some

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people criticize his case, but I
can tell you that there is so much

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in this case. It's very real, and their incredible evidence. I think

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people should listen to this man more
carefully. Yeah, you know, he

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was on our show, and I
had him on because he's a friend.

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Mind. I've investigated the case,
and I know people criticize it a lot

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because it's a lot to take.
But you know, I love that people

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are able to come here see more
of his evidence so they can see for

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themselves and judgment and especially talking to
him. You know, you feel how

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honest he is. It's something I
have developed. I've been in a journalist

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for forty years and I can't tell
you when someone is telling you the truth

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or lying, right. That's just
an instinct that you developed when you are

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investigative journalists for solo like I have. And I can tell you that you

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can feel the honesty of this man. And I think people should listen.

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I'm going to present a full hour, a full and a half, one

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hour and a half in my television
show in Mexico from this interview, and

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the evidence is that he presented.
The videos of the creatures, the extraterrestrials

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are just incredible. Yeah, and
I know, I'm very sure they're real.

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I can say you know for myself, he did not fake those things.

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No, even he questions, maybe
you know, someone was tricking him

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or something, and who knows,
maybe that's the case, but he did

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not do that. He did not. He told me about the daughters.

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Yeah, oh right. His daughters
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and they're his stepdaughters, these twin
girls. If you go to the house,

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which you should come to his house. He loves having people over you

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can meet them, but they watch
him like hawks, and they tell me,

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you know, they're watching him,
and they're like, if he's faking

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something, they're gonna catch it,
because I mean, they don't like this

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stuff being in their lives. Of
course, it makes them different. It's

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traumatic. And of course everybody with
the family which is this wouldn't have happened.

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So it's not something these guys are
are making any money off of,

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really, or or something that they've
invited to to happen to them. Yeah,

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I think I'm going to present this
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follow up because this is just in
the middle. This is happening right now,

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and I think it's going to continue
happening. Yeah. Now, how

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the people you've talked to you who
watch this talk and it was probably it's

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interesting that people are very interested in
these abduction cases. Stan Romanek had a

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huge crowd, everybody was there.
Travis Walton talked this morning, same thing.

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Those are probably the two biggest talks
so far. And next we always

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know that you packed the house as
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stands incredibly? I mean, I
think I felt that most of the people

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believed in what they saw, because
when you are in the presence of the

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goodness, it's different that when you
just have investigators. That's the case in

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two thousand and three, Quen we
learn about this case. It was not

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presented by him. It was presented
by some experts, some scientists, even

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scientists, and the case was really
good and really really impressive. But this

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time, when you have him and
you hear from him the little details the

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inside the story, is very different. I think people should boy the book.

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Very soon. He's going to have
a documentary when you will be able

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to see some of the evidence that
he presented here and you will realize how

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important is what is going on with
him, you know. You know.

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Another good point too, is that
people are going to be able to buy

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his presentation as ye yea and or
at UFO Congress dot com and probably in

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the next couple of weeks here you
will be able to see the presentation and

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see all of this and judge for
yourself. Probably next year in Open Minds.

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Yeah, that's exciting. Yeah,
next year, because we'll be taking

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it over and moving it to Phoenix. This is incredible. Yeah, that's

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a lot of fun. So your
presentation. Well, actually, let's get

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into a little bit of your history. Now. You used to host the

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Sixty Minutes of Mexico. Yes,
I did it from nineteen eighty to nineteen

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ninety five. The program ended with
the highest ratings on the Mexican television.

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I don't know why it ended,
probably because of political reasons. In a

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way, I am happy it did, because probably I would be dead at

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this moment. You know, it
was very dangerous what I did then,

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But at that moment they stopped when
they were going to attack a journalist in

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Mexico. We were some kind,
somehow sacred or divine. They weren't dare

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to do anything bad to us.
But at this moment, any investigative journalists

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in my country is in real dunion, especially if you go around drugs or

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something like that, you know,
narcs, and then you are putting your

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life in risk. I am very
sure in Sixty Minutes we would have done

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that because we were very adventurous and
we didn't care about how Hriskey was,

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how dangerous it was. And then
I am very sure we would have done

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some very dangerous programs and parably,
at this moment, I wouldn't be doing

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UFOs, I wouldn't be doing anything
probably wow. On the ground. So

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right now because of the drug wars
going on with the drug sellers and the

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government. If you talk a journalist
who cover the drug wars, they are

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under danger incredibly and they are dying. They are dying. I mean especially

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in the little towns away from the
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dangerous. But it could happen to
anybody. Yeah, I mean, I

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am very sure that they would have
attacked us if we were presenting this in

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sixty Minutes. And probably God didn't
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want us to have that kind of
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something else. But that's real.
I was in sixty Minutes for fifteen years.

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I was a very good friend with
Mike Wallace. I met some of

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the people I work very close to
good sixty minutes in the US. And

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actually we have more about your history
on the first issue of our magazine that's

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coming out a couple of weeks.
Yeah, I saw it, Thank you

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very much. Oh did you read
the article? You do know, I

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haven't read the art. I saw
it, okay, and I saw that

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you wrote this story I am very
anxious to see it. Yeah, I

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hope you like it, because it's
too late now it's going out to print,

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so if you don't like it.
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went into the UFOs and now your
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I never planned this, but I
earned the credibility through tell through the work

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I presented in nineteen seventy three.
As a matter of fact, I started

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in television seventy two until ninety five, that's almost twenty three years presenting these

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journalistic stories. Then when I presented
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ninety one and especially after ninety seven
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welcomed by the Mexican people. Even
my presentation, my conferences were very crowded,

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very successful. From that moment,
I realized that I what I did

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before it helped me to present something
so problematic as the UFO phenomenon. Many

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people don't believe in it, but
many people understand that when somebody who is

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honest is behind investigation, probably they
are they are receiving the truth. That's

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what I try to do, and
that's I think the connection I made to

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the Mexican people. Most people think
I am honest. Some people think that

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because I am presenting this phenomenon now, I am not trustable. But those

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are the less I say that most
people still believe that what I say is

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the truth, and that somehow I
have the courage or I take the risk

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to present something which is going to
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And but that's the way it is. I mean, I'm behind the truth.

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I am looking for the truth,
and this is the truth. And

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any any person who is listening to
me out there and don't believe in this,

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okay, just try to investigate this. And I am very sure any

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journalists who is listening to just investigate
this, and you're going to find that

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this is real. Right. That's
what I think is incredible that anybody who

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really looks at the facts, really
looks at the evidence, you find stuff.

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There is a lot of great stuff
out there. That's what's exciting about

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being a part of Open Minds to
get this information out to people, because

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there's a lot there. And there's
some researchers that argue that if you don't

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believe, you probably haven't looked too
heavily into it, and that's typically the

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case. Yeah, yeah, that's
in most of the cases. People that

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don't believe in this is people that
just they don't think is real. They

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don't know that it is not real. I mean when somebody says this is

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not real and I said, you
know, or do you believe? If

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you know, tell me why you
know? Or if you believe, I

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understand you believe it's not real?
You see. But the thing here is

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not to believe or not to believe, is to investigate, is to know

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or not to know, you know? And I want an open minds because

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I know Johan Wow, it's behind
the scientific truth. He's looking for this

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and that is why I think you're
going to be very successful. Yeah,

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that's what's exciting about this conference.
And I think the guest we've been able

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to bring is that they're very credible, and I hope you know, we've

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been really able to open the minds
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But we're going to take a short
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we'll talk about some of the amazing
evidence that you're going to be presenting during

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your talk. So stay tuned.
You're listening to open Minds Radio on kfn

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X. All right, welcome back. This is your host Alejandro Rojas,

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and you're listening to Open Minds Radio
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When we went to dinner with you
in Phoenix, people were coming and

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getting your signature, and that was
happening here. There's a guy asking me

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throughout the week when time they come
and when time they come in. So,

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especially in the Spanish speaking world,
you're you're very famous. Well,

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after four years in the television,
you know, investigation reports, people finally

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know you and that is why you
know. I am yeah, I am

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really fortunate to be this popular.
Do you find that Americans are much more

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skeptical of this subject than in Mexico? Really? Yeah, the Americans,

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the English people, and there are
others who are really skeptical. They have

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it in front of the nose and
they don't want to accept it, they

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don't want to believe it. They
just take whatever the so called scientists say.

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And if the scientists say this is
not true, that's it. They

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don't need to investigate that. And
everybody, anybody who believes in this is

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a food and if they are absolutely
wrong, my friend I can't tell you

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for sure because I saw two living
creatures. Oh really, absolutely, Where

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did you see this? And May
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the Rumor Rosa, Sierra, I
was investigating a case where three young kids

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were surrounded by creatures, first by
UFOs and then by creatures back in nineteen

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ninety seven. Two years after that, I was the same day because it

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happened to them the seventeenth eighteenth of
May nineteen ninety seven. I went there

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twenty sixty seven or something like that
of May ninety nine, and at two

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o'clock in the morning, I was
really exhausted. I was sleeping inside by

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sleeping bag, and they called me
and said, hi me, what is

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that? And they called me many
times, and then didn't want to go

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out because I was very retired.
And I just told them if it's a

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UFO, johnery on it and I
will show you, I will say tomorrow.

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And they insisted until I came out. I was a little bit mad

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because they didn't let me rest.
And I saw a couple of very bright

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creatures moving seventy meters from us.
I remember this guy, the guy,

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the man who took us there was
making a fund of all of us all

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the time. Oh, they are
gonna come for you, for you from

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Mars or whatever. They starched rest
us and so on. When this happened,

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I looked for him and she was
inside he's sleeping bag, and you

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couldn't even see his face. Next
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mister Danielle, and he said,
oh, that's a revelation from God.

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And I said, probably was a
deer. Probably was a big cat,

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and said he said, not a
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This is a revelation from God.
What do you think of that? I

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don't want to comment on that.
I don't know this. Wow, And

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yeah, I mean that tells you
any everything? Right? Right? What

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it is that things that you sound
look like they were? I loomin.

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They were small, They were phosphorescent
like green, so when you're pointing to

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the cover of Stan's book, So
they did look kind of like the typical

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gray aliens with the big the right, but they look green greenish like phosphorescent.

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Wow. So they were glowing,
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eyes. The eyes look a little
bit blue but very very bright, like

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have you seen serious or venus in
the sky sometimes like that. The eyes

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were the most startling thing from them, I mean so so bright they were,

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you know, and everyone saw it. I mean we were six people

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and I saw it from that.
If I believed in the phenomenon that day,

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I became absolutely, absolutely convinced.
I am. I feel sorry for

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those who are away from this phenomenon. I don't want to investigate and don't

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care about it, because it's real
and this is going to change your life,

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and it's gonna happen, and it's
gonna happen soon, sooner than many

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people think. Oh you think pretty
soon, it's going to be so obvious

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that everybody something is going to happen. I don't know what. I don't

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know if it's gonna be exciting or
what. Something is going to happen.

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That's what I believe. If you
ask me, do you know, I

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tell you no, I don't know. I think because I've seen the development

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of this phenomena. I've seen the
phenomenon from very far away, little lights,

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little spheares far in the orison,
and now I see creatures I see

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except for results in video, I
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from the camera. It's clearly,
it's clearly an evolution of the phenomenon.

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Then we will see very soon.
I mean, if this continues, something

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is gonna happen. I've seen this
year a new phenomenon, which is signs,

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but in the sky, Senals and
in Seattle we had signs on the

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ground through the crop circles from nineteen
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are seeing now the same stuff in
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actual kind of just craft aligned in
shape? Okay? I see, for

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example, the big spirou that we
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Everybody was amazed of them, and
then they said, oh, it

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was a rocket, a missile from
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then the Secretary of Defense of Russia
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and the secretary of Defense from Norway
came and he said, there was not

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a rocket from Russia. And we
know that as a five. And you

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know what, the media didn't care
about it. They never went back to

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see what really happened. And we
found out the spiral the same phenomenon you

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see they saw in the sky.
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thousands of years of character or five
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you can see this in the stone
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And let me tell you, February
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had two spirals in the sky with
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never seen something like that before.
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time. It happened in two in
Finland and in Norway, as a matter

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of fact, in Toronto, the
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back in December two thousand and nine, and now we have the same phenomenon

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in two thousand and ten, February
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places which are probably six hundred six
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I mean, you don't have spirals,

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you don't have aurora making these circles
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so far. These are the first
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somebody has a pictures or something.
I don't know, but no, this

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is the first time. And it's
incredible that we had both at the same

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time and something else happened at the
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December ninth, twenty ten, we
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Kremlin. Oh right, that was
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the story is fascinating. I know
there there were many many people try

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to host something similar after that was
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don't know who recorded this. Yep, well we have seen it and analyzaid

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the video the cell, the cell
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Red Square. Let's talk more about
that. And I also want to ask

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you about another news piece that we
covered today, which was a halo cloud

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halo that was seen in Mexico and
people have been seeing those throughout the world

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as well, so we want to
talk more about that. We've got a

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break coming up here and we'll come
back with him Maisan talk about these strange

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shapes in the sky. Stay tuned
Open Minds Radio. All right, you're

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back. This is Alejandro Rojas with
Open Minds Radio. And before we went

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to break, and I do want
to mention another guy in the room is

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Santiago Teria, a guy you've been
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he does his presentations at the Congress. Well, I respect very much untility.

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Yeah, he has been an incredible
collaborator. He has helped us a

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lot. It's very important to the
organization that we have created in Mexico.

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He's a real expert. He can
find very easily when something is real or

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if it's not real. And that's
it's very important for this kind of organization

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to have someone like Santiago, because
when you don't know something about some image,

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you can be easily full, you
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big historian record of all the cases
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or third years, I mean,
and sometimes for example, let me give

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you an example, and I think
was a Romania as they presented No Bulgaria,

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they presented a video supposedly taken by
a little kid ten years old and

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you can see two hands in the
sky clearly, and you say, wow,

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news in Bulgary. Wow, this
has to be real. And the mother

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talking about this and you are and
then I send all of this and tell

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me what do you think of this? And he had the story this was

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created four or five years ago,
and he knows who did it, how

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he did it, et cetera,
et cetera, et cetera. Then four

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people from the Bulgary News because they
didn't know they were full, but they

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were pulled by a little boy and
his mother. That's incredible. But this

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happens all the time. And now
when you have all these cybernetics, you

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have all these computers, it's very
easily to be full. That's why for

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us it's very important to know who
is the witness, who else was there?

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What do we have here? For
example, we have a picture that

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we're going to release tomorrow here in
the UFO Congress where you will be able

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to see a pyramid, the chi
Chenisa pyramid, the very famous pyramid,

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the Mayan Pyramid. July twenty fourth, two o'clock an thirty one seconds.

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A family, the Sis and Ciliesan
Hernandez family, Ectociliesan Glenn Rnandez and their

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two daughters, Destiny and Caroline the
pictures and they took a picture of this

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pyramid because it was raining, they
saw lighting behind the pyramids, and then

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this man pulled the daughters in front
of the pyramids that had the pyramid and

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a lighting, striking or cutting the
sky, you know, beautiful picture to

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make a putter or something, you
know. And then when he did that,

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he got the lights in the park. But it's not very impressive.

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But then from the pyramid, from
the roof of the pyramids, you can

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see a tunnel of light going to
the sky. Wow. Amazing, I

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mean, Alexandro, amazing. If
I tell you, I cannot make justice

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of my description to the incredible evidence
that this is. This is one of

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the best things I have ever seen. Then we know the names of the

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people who took it. We have
the pictures and they were taken with the

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iPhone and that way, we have
the GPS. We know exactly where it

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was taking in the exact position on
the air where this was taken, in

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the direction was taken. We have
witnesses. We found what witness that was

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there, who is a very famous
ankle in the Mexican television and besides that,

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very scatty. He's like a film
class, you know, he's as

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avonker. He makes fun of anyone. Well, and what does he think

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about the picture? He said,
I was there when this was taken.

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I found him because this family told
me there was a famous man from television,

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and I looked through the descriptions and
I took Google and we found the

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picture and it is the man.
Yes, he's the man. Always Rene

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Frank okay, I was going to
call Renephranco and coincidentally he told me to

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bind it to his show to make
fun of me again or you know.

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And then I said, Okay,
Renee, were you the Were you in

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Cichensa July twenty four yes, uh, he said, before I asked,

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and I saw a picture that I
took there and then I said, and

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then you saw it, and then
you know what I'm talking about. So

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people saw this light coming from less. I saw it. I was there,

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and he declared that in the television. So and he accepted plenty Yes,

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man, for the first time we
agree in something. I saw a

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picture and I know the picture is
real. I don't know what the picture

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means. I don't know what is
this. I don't think it's extraterrestrials.

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I don't think that whatever. Well, he said that the picture is real.

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Wait until you see that picture now
that it's going to be the cover

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your second issue. Probably, Hey, it sounds good. I can't wait

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to see it. Now do you
think there's a mind connection? You're talking

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about all these signs, and that's
a lot of singing behind that picture,

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because it means that these minds have
technology from the past. Friend, I

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mean from in the past. Promise
not to restals. There is no other

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way I can explain. This.
Probably is a natural phenomenon, but for

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me has to be something else.
I mean, we can't debate on this.

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You can say, no, this
is because of the lighting in the

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bark. Then the energy comes under
the ground and it's released through the pyramid.

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I don't know it's a pulse because
it didn't last one hundreds of a

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second. It didn't last. Okay, it's like this and that's it.

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But there are watching you see something
like a like a flash, and that's

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it. That's incredible. I can't
wait to see it. And it seems

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like there are a lot of sightings
in Mexico, much more than in the

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United States. And you're getting videos, you're getting you're getting pictures. Why

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do you think that is? Probably
the picture in the pyramid explains that probably

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there is a relation from the past. Probably we were together with this.

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Probably they came to see their friend
and so there's the songs of their friends

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and from the past. I don't
know, because probably because we were astronomers,

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probably because we have so many magnetic
mountains, who knows, probably because

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we don't attack them. Of all
these reasons together, the thing is that

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we have incredible sightings. And I'm
gonna present tomorrow here if the people can

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come, because I know they're listening
to us in Phoenix. I tell you,

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Santiago, Tulia and myself will be
giving this presentation one o'clock tomorrow.

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He had the aquariums hotel, and
if you want to know, you shouldn't

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miss this presentation because the full two
hours that we were given are gonna be

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used to present evidence, one after
the other. Santiago even brought us the

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last images from the last mission,
the STS one thory that just finished what

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Sunday, Saturday Sunday, a couple
of days ago, five days ago,

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five days ago. But we have
the images UFOs around it. I mean,

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it's amazing. Was from the last
NASA mission. Yeah, you're showing

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this tomorrow too, Yes, so
you're right, there's plenty of time to

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get here, especially from Phoenix.
You know you could leave after work.

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Yeah, four hours no, No, it's four hours. You could leave

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early in the morning. Yeah,
well, I think they should. Whatever

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they can't, they should because this
is not presented by the American media.

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It's what a concern m hm.
So the Congress. You've been going to

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the Congress for quite some time and
the Congress is about the only American venue

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you use. Yeah, and it's
like the only American venue where you come

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doing an English presentation. Why do
you think the Congress is so important?

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This Congress is the most important for
me from all the United States, is

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the most serious. They make a
good effort to bring very objective people,

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the investigators. For me, the
most credible events I've been in many don't

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confuse, don't get confused. I
know many other events, but this is

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my favorite from all on that I
put time. I received invitations all the

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time to other events, but I
never go because I don't feel comfortable.

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And you're definitely going to join us
next year in Phoenix the huh if you

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invite me? Yeah, yeah,
definitely got to have him for the first

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the twentieth anniversary. They're probably Santiago
to all right, perfect, we have

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to have him as well. Yeah, I've interviewed him before on YouTube and

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it was awesome, and we're going
to interview him later today for our live

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show. So really excited about that
and really excited to talk to you.

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What else, what is the other
big amazing thing that you can present at

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your time? Says so much more. We have this video from May twenty

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seconds two thousand and nine, when
you can see an object releasing hundreds of

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spears on both sides. Oh,
that's amazing video. I've seen some too,

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Yeah, and there are two of
the same kind. I mean,

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I mean two different witnesses recorded at
the same event at the same time,

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right, And this is amazing because
you will see hundreds of his spears being

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released by a small object. How
can that be? Nobody has been able

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to explain that. But this is
an amazing and real video because you have

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two videos recorded at the same time, and that's very very seldom. Well,

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it looks like we're at a time, So join us next week the

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new bass for Move On Clipper clipp
and we'll be talking to him about hit

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the direction he wants to go with
that and hopefully I know there's been some

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some bridges that need to be rebuilt
with move on and I am experience of

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James, so hopefully he'll be able
to fix that up. But thanks for

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joining us. Join us next week, get in your car, come down

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and say hello, so come to
the Congress. Thanks for joining us on

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Open Minds Radio, folks dot com,