Hello, and welcome to Open Minds Radio. We are live in Lachlin,
Nevada at the International UFO Congress. This is the UFO conference, the largest
in the United States. There are probably like a thousand people here. There's
something like six hundred and fifty people that preregistered. However, there are dozens
of people arriving on a daily basis registering for some of the great talks.
In fact, I think right now Travis Walton is talking. If you haven't
looked into his case, it's incredible. He was the subject of the movie
Fire in the Skaya Paramount smash hit about this gentleman who got abducted in the
seventies. So if you haven't seen the movie, check it out. Hopefully
you watched us out in our live stream last night where we interviewed him and
he talked about what really happened, because in this blockbuster movie, the portion
where this gentleman was a board a craft is not accurate in the movie.
However, it was accurate last night from the mouth of Travis on our life
streaming at openmindstat TV. So remember we're doing that every night at seven thirty
Pacific, so that's eight thirty Arizona time at openmindstat TV and you can see
that live tonight. We'll be interviewing a couple of the guests as well.
We'll probably have on well we're not positive who were having on for sure tonight,
because we're just grabbing people, we're gonna try to grab Daniel Sheehan.
He's a lawyer. He helped out with the Disclosure Project. That's something that
you definitely have to check out if you haven't. The Disclosure Project was this
process where this gentleman, Stephen Greer, got hundreds of witnesses, including many
of them military, and Daniel Sheehan was a lawyer who helped him with that
cause. And essentially their goal was, hey, you know, if you're
working on these seas black projects, the oath you took is illegal anyway,
because there are legal projects. So if someone comes after you for talking about
what you've witnessed in the military working on UFOs or otherwise, then he promised
he would defend them. And they went out and talked and nobody the government
never said, hey, you're not supposed to be talking about those UFOs,
so which would kind of be cool if they did, of course, because
that would validate that these people really had some experiences. So that's what we're
up to. There are speakers all day today, there are speakers all day
tomorrow. There's are a film festival here every evening, and we will be
filming live the results of the film festival tomorrow on our streaming and that'll be
the people who win the coveted Ebe Award, which the filmmakers win for great
work. But as usual, before we get to our guests, and I'd
better tell you who that guest is, it's the famous Mexican upologist Jaime Mussan
as his own television show, The Guy is Famous. I've gotten to dinner
with a guy and people will come out of the kitchen and ask for signatures
and and the Spanish speaking world. He has mister ufology and we will have
him on in a minute. But before we do, we've got Jason McClellan
back and he is going to give us some news. Let's talk news,
Jason, Thanks Alejandro. Let's get into the news. In Mexico, a
circular or halo cloud was recently photographed over Mexico. This cloud was strikingly similar
to the one seen over Russia last October Many have speculated that these clouds are
cloaked UFOs, but meteorologists explained the phenomenon with rare naturally occurring weather behavior.
In addition to the sightings in Mexico and Russia, these strange clouds cloud formations
have appeared recently in Indonesia and Romania. So all over, yeah, they're
weird, they're weird stuff. Who's to say with clouds, But they're definitely
pretty pictures to look at. We'll ask me about this Mexican one, for
sure. On the China, China has its site that on the Moon.
In twenty twenty, China hopes to land its first man ever on the lunar
surface. This news comes just after President Obama's cancelation of the NASA's Constellation program,
the program that would have taken the US back to the Moon. Another
space race made to be developing, as both India and Japan are also planning
to launch lunar missions later in the near future. Yeah, I mean that's
interesting. Obama essentially gave the private companies the go ahead that they're gonna help
fund them to do things like go to the Moon and stuff like that.
So we'll see if a private company comes in bids for some sort of projects
like that, which would be pretty cool because maybe then you could apply it.
I could apply to go out there and I'll be able to broadcast from
the Moon. That would be really cool. Let's work on that. Yeah,
for sure, we've got some inroads with some of these aerospace companies,
but that it'll be interesting if India and China are on the Moon and then
you know, NASA's on Mars. That'd be cool, very cool. And
in some local Arizona news, a strange light was seen in the sky over
tuth On earlier this week near Davis Mothin Air Force Base. Video of the
daytime sighting was captured on a cell phone by a sixteen year old boy,
and it shows a bright object's zooming through the sky. The object was low
in the sky and doesn't look like any earthly craft. TV Channel nine and
two son did a short story on the sighting, but was unable to determine
what it was. Yeah, and we've got these links on our website,
So remember front page of Openminds dot tv. You've got links to all of
this, including a link to the Channel nine website where they have a video
posted that you can look at and you can determine what you think yourself.
And they've got their complete coverage of this situation on their website, which is
pretty cool. Definitely, I watched the video yesterday in I've watched it a
couple of times times. It's kind of cool to watch these things just zoom
over the kid's head. Yeah, and it's neat writ in Tucson, who
knows what the heck that that thing is. James mcgaha, who is a
guy who worked for the Air Force and is an astronomer, took a look
at it and kind of debunked it on the news coverage Channel nine had.
He also was on Larry King when they were covering the Phoenix lights and it
was debunking that. But really what he has to say is kind of it
doesn't make sense, it doesn't fit what you're seeing. He's saying he's not
a video expert, and he is kind of talking about the video quality on
this one. And then he said, there were eight tens that flew over
Phoenix. Those are very loud planes. Those are as loud as it kids,
And I'm sure living in Phoenix, a lot of people have heard those
A tens fly over. You don't miss that. But what people described in
the Phoenix lights made no sound at all. That's right. I grew up
in the Buckeye area and we had a tens flying over the house all the
time. Those things are loud. Yeah, they're really loud. So highlights
from or did you have more news before I get that's it for me,
Alejandro Cool? Highlights from Laughlin? How have you been enjoying yourself? Jason
Laughlin is fantastic. You know, this conference last year and it was so
exciting to come back and you see a lot of the same people here year
after year, and you just get to talk to some incredible people here.
M h. It's a lot of fun. And then of course the speakers
are phenomenal. Are speaker well. The last few guests that we've had on
the radio show are here, Chuck Zukowski, Barbara Lamb, David Sarita.
People loved last week's show with David Sarita, and he's here to reveal even
more. I mean, he told us some stuff no one else had heard,
and he's going to be talking about more that no one else has heard
here. So it is a lot of fun. It's a lot of work
for us of course, doing our show. We're also taking over the Congress
and we are moving it to Phoenix, the home of KFNEX Radio. So
that's really exciting because all of you in the Phoenix metro area are going to
be able to come and enjoy this yourself without having to go so far.
So that's a lot of fun. We are extremely excited about that. It's
difficult for us in a way because we're having to convince people who love Laughlin
that you want to come to Phoenix. But you know what, Phoenix is
beautiful, so that's absolutely no problem. So this is going to be wonderful
to have, you know, this going on in the Phoenix metro area.
It's going to be at the Fort McDowell Resort, which is just gorgeous.
We have a representative from the resort here who is handing out paperwork and helping
us on that. So we and now everybody else that we've talked to is
very excited about doing this in Phoenix. We'll be talking more about that,
but let's go to break. After the break, we've got him Mussan,
So stay tuned, all right, welcome back, and remember at Open Minds
to that TV you can also see a lot of news videos. So the
news that we've got in the magazine, news pieces that we've written about these
are all encapsulated in these cool little news vignettes, and we've been taking all
of them and showing him here at the Congress and that's been quite a hit,
a lot of people hanging out and watching that. But more importantly,
we've got our guest here with us in my hotel room. We've got him
Mussan. Thanks for joining us, Alejandro. How are you doing good?
Doing good? You've been keeping busy here? Huh. Yes, I am
coming from interviewing Stan Romaneque, which is an extraordinary case. I know some
people criticize his case, but I can tell you that there is so much
in this case. It's very real, and their incredible evidence. I think
people should listen to this man more carefully. Yeah, you know, he
was on our show, and I had him on because he's a friend.
Mind. I've investigated the case, and I know people criticize it a lot
because it's a lot to take. But you know, I love that people
are able to come here see more of his evidence so they can see for
themselves and judgment and especially talking to him. You know, you feel how
honest he is. It's something I have developed. I've been in a journalist
for forty years and I can't tell you when someone is telling you the truth
or lying, right. That's just an instinct that you developed when you are
investigative journalists for solo like I have. And I can tell you that you
can feel the honesty of this man. And I think people should listen.
I'm going to present a full hour, a full and a half, one
hour and a half in my television show in Mexico from this interview, and
the evidence is that he presented. The videos of the creatures, the extraterrestrials
are just incredible. Yeah, and I know, I'm very sure they're real.
I can say you know for myself, he did not fake those things.
No, even he questions, maybe you know, someone was tricking him
or something, and who knows, maybe that's the case, but he did
not do that. He did not. He told me about the daughters.
Yeah, oh right. His daughters are his biggest, biggest critics ever,
and they're his stepdaughters, these twin girls. If you go to the house,
which you should come to his house. He loves having people over you
can meet them, but they watch him like hawks, and they tell me,
you know, they're watching him, and they're like, if he's faking
something, they're gonna catch it, because I mean, they don't like this
stuff being in their lives. Of course, it makes them different. It's
traumatic. And of course everybody with the family which is this wouldn't have happened.
So it's not something these guys are are making any money off of,
really, or or something that they've invited to to happen to them. Yeah,
I think I'm going to present this story and I'm going to make the
follow up because this is just in the middle. This is happening right now,
and I think it's going to continue happening. Yeah. Now, how
the people you've talked to you who watch this talk and it was probably it's
interesting that people are very interested in these abduction cases. Stan Romanek had a
huge crowd, everybody was there. Travis Walton talked this morning, same thing.
Those are probably the two biggest talks so far. And next we always
know that you packed the house as well, But how are people reacting to
stands incredibly? I mean, I think I felt that most of the people
believed in what they saw, because when you are in the presence of the
goodness, it's different that when you just have investigators. That's the case in
two thousand and three, Quen we learn about this case. It was not
presented by him. It was presented by some experts, some scientists, even
scientists, and the case was really good and really really impressive. But this
time, when you have him and you hear from him the little details the
inside the story, is very different. I think people should boy the book.
Very soon. He's going to have a documentary when you will be able
to see some of the evidence that he presented here and you will realize how
important is what is going on with him, you know. You know.
Another good point too, is that people are going to be able to buy
his presentation as ye yea and or at UFO Congress dot com and probably in
the next couple of weeks here you will be able to see the presentation and
see all of this and judge for yourself. Probably next year in Open Minds.
Yeah, that's exciting. Yeah, next year, because we'll be taking
it over and moving it to Phoenix. This is incredible. Yeah, that's
a lot of fun. So your presentation. Well, actually, let's get
into a little bit of your history. Now. You used to host the
Sixty Minutes of Mexico. Yes, I did it from nineteen eighty to nineteen
ninety five. The program ended with the highest ratings on the Mexican television.
I don't know why it ended, probably because of political reasons. In a
way, I am happy it did, because probably I would be dead at
this moment. You know, it was very dangerous what I did then,
But at that moment they stopped when they were going to attack a journalist in
Mexico. We were some kind, somehow sacred or divine. They weren't dare
to do anything bad to us. But at this moment, any investigative journalists
in my country is in real dunion, especially if you go around drugs or
something like that, you know, narcs, and then you are putting your
life in risk. I am very sure in Sixty Minutes we would have done
that because we were very adventurous and we didn't care about how Hriskey was,
how dangerous it was. And then I am very sure we would have done
some very dangerous programs and parably, at this moment, I wouldn't be doing
UFOs, I wouldn't be doing anything probably wow. On the ground. So
right now because of the drug wars going on with the drug sellers and the
government. If you talk a journalist who cover the drug wars, they are
under danger incredibly and they are dying. They are dying. I mean especially
in the little towns away from the cities. That's where it is more more
dangerous. But it could happen to anybody. Yeah, I mean, I
am very sure that they would have attacked us if we were presenting this in
sixty Minutes. And probably God didn't want us. I mean, he didn't
want us to have that kind of destiny, and that's why we are doing
something else. But that's real. I was in sixty Minutes for fifteen years.
I was a very good friend with Mike Wallace. I met some of
the people I work very close to good sixty minutes in the US. And
actually we have more about your history on the first issue of our magazine that's
coming out a couple of weeks. Yeah, I saw it, Thank you
very much. Oh did you read the article? You do know, I
haven't read the art. I saw it, okay, and I saw that
you wrote this story I am very anxious to see it. Yeah, I
hope you like it, because it's too late now it's going out to print,
so if you don't like it. But so from sixty minutes then you
went into the UFOs and now your show is very popular. Yeah, because
I never planned this, but I earned the credibility through tell through the work
I presented in nineteen seventy three. As a matter of fact, I started
in television seventy two until ninety five, that's almost twenty three years presenting these
journalistic stories. Then when I presented the UFO stories and the UFO investigation after
ninety one and especially after ninety seven that I had my show, I was
welcomed by the Mexican people. Even my presentation, my conferences were very crowded,
very successful. From that moment, I realized that I what I did
before it helped me to present something so problematic as the UFO phenomenon. Many
people don't believe in it, but many people understand that when somebody who is
honest is behind investigation, probably they are they are receiving the truth. That's
what I try to do, and that's I think the connection I made to
the Mexican people. Most people think I am honest. Some people think that
because I am presenting this phenomenon now, I am not trustable. But those
are the less I say that most people still believe that what I say is
the truth, and that somehow I have the courage or I take the risk
to present something which is going to be poleemic and problematic, you know,
And but that's the way it is. I mean, I'm behind the truth.
I am looking for the truth, and this is the truth. And
any any person who is listening to me out there and don't believe in this,
okay, just try to investigate this. And I am very sure any
journalists who is listening to just investigate this, and you're going to find that
this is real. Right. That's what I think is incredible that anybody who
really looks at the facts, really looks at the evidence, you find stuff.
There is a lot of great stuff out there. That's what's exciting about
being a part of Open Minds to get this information out to people, because
there's a lot there. And there's some researchers that argue that if you don't
believe, you probably haven't looked too heavily into it, and that's typically the
case. Yeah, yeah, that's in most of the cases. People that
don't believe in this is people that just they don't think is real. They
don't know that it is not real. I mean when somebody says this is
not real and I said, you know, or do you believe? If
you know, tell me why you know? Or if you believe, I
understand you believe it's not real? You see. But the thing here is
not to believe or not to believe, is to investigate, is to know
or not to know, you know? And I want an open minds because
I know Johan Wow, it's behind the scientific truth. He's looking for this
and that is why I think you're going to be very successful. Yeah,
that's what's exciting about this conference. And I think the guest we've been able
to bring is that they're very credible, and I hope you know, we've
been really able to open the minds of people here in the Phoenix metro area.
But we're going to take a short break and then we'll come back and
we'll talk about some of the amazing evidence that you're going to be presenting during
your talk. So stay tuned. You're listening to open Minds Radio on kfn
X. All right, welcome back. This is your host Alejandro Rojas,
and you're listening to Open Minds Radio and we're here with the famous Hime Mussan.
When we went to dinner with you in Phoenix, people were coming and
getting your signature, and that was happening here. There's a guy asking me
throughout the week when time they come and when time they come in. So,
especially in the Spanish speaking world, you're you're very famous. Well,
after four years in the television, you know, investigation reports, people finally
know you and that is why you know. I am yeah, I am
really fortunate to be this popular. Do you find that Americans are much more
skeptical of this subject than in Mexico? Really? Yeah, the Americans,
the English people, and there are others who are really skeptical. They have
it in front of the nose and they don't want to accept it, they
don't want to believe it. They just take whatever the so called scientists say.
And if the scientists say this is not true, that's it. They
don't need to investigate that. And everybody, anybody who believes in this is
a food and if they are absolutely wrong, my friend I can't tell you
for sure because I saw two living creatures. Oh really, absolutely, Where
did you see this? And May twenty seven, nineteen ninety nine, at
the Rumor Rosa, Sierra, I was investigating a case where three young kids
were surrounded by creatures, first by UFOs and then by creatures back in nineteen
ninety seven. Two years after that, I was the same day because it
happened to them the seventeenth eighteenth of May nineteen ninety seven. I went there
twenty sixty seven or something like that of May ninety nine, and at two
o'clock in the morning, I was really exhausted. I was sleeping inside by
sleeping bag, and they called me and said, hi me, what is
that? And they called me many times, and then didn't want to go
out because I was very retired. And I just told them if it's a
UFO, johnery on it and I will show you, I will say tomorrow.
And they insisted until I came out. I was a little bit mad
because they didn't let me rest. And I saw a couple of very bright
creatures moving seventy meters from us. I remember this guy, the guy,
the man who took us there was making a fund of all of us all
the time. Oh, they are gonna come for you, for you from
Mars or whatever. They starched rest us and so on. When this happened,
I looked for him and she was inside he's sleeping bag, and you
couldn't even see his face. Next morning, I asked what happened, Danielle,
mister Danielle, and he said, oh, that's a revelation from God.
And I said, probably was a deer. Probably was a big cat,
and said he said, not a big cat and not a deer.
This is a revelation from God. What do you think of that? I
don't want to comment on that. I don't know this. Wow, And
yeah, I mean that tells you any everything? Right? Right? What
it is that things that you sound look like they were? I loomin.
They were small, They were phosphorescent like green, so when you're pointing to
the cover of Stan's book, So they did look kind of like the typical
gray aliens with the big the right, but they look green greenish like phosphorescent.
Wow. So they were glowing, That's what I saw. Especially the
eyes. The eyes look a little bit blue but very very bright, like
have you seen serious or venus in the sky sometimes like that. The eyes
were the most startling thing from them, I mean so so bright they were,
you know, and everyone saw it. I mean we were six people
and I saw it from that. If I believed in the phenomenon that day,
I became absolutely, absolutely convinced. I am. I feel sorry for
those who are away from this phenomenon. I don't want to investigate and don't
care about it, because it's real and this is going to change your life,
and it's gonna happen, and it's gonna happen soon, sooner than many
people think. Oh you think pretty soon, it's going to be so obvious
that everybody something is going to happen. I don't know what. I don't
know if it's gonna be exciting or what. Something is going to happen.
That's what I believe. If you ask me, do you know, I
tell you no, I don't know. I think because I've seen the development
of this phenomena. I've seen the phenomenon from very far away, little lights,
little spheares far in the orison, and now I see creatures I see
except for results in video, I see big craft. I mean meters away
from the camera. It's clearly, it's clearly an evolution of the phenomenon.
Then we will see very soon. I mean, if this continues, something
is gonna happen. I've seen this year a new phenomenon, which is signs,
but in the sky, Senals and in Seattle we had signs on the
ground through the crop circles from nineteen eighty to nineteen eighty three until now we
are seeing now the same stuff in the sky. Now are you talking about
actual kind of just craft aligned in shape? Okay? I see, for
example, the big spirou that we have December the ninth in Toroms of Norway.
Everybody was amazed of them, and then they said, oh, it
was a rocket, a missile from Russia. Then everything is explained. And
then the Secretary of Defense of Russia came and he said that was not O's
and the secretary of Defense from Norway came and he said, there was not
a rocket from Russia. And we know that as a five. And you
know what, the media didn't care about it. They never went back to
see what really happened. And we found out the spiral the same phenomenon you
see they saw in the sky. We have found many Petrovisus with these spirals
thousands of years of character or five thousand years, three thousand years. And
you can see this in the stone right throughout the southwestern America here there.
And let me tell you, February eighteenth, two thousand and ten, we
had two spirals in the sky with auroras with the shape of spirals. You
never seen something like that before. Where was that? This is the first
time. It happened in two in Finland and in Norway, as a matter
of fact, in Toronto, the same city where we had the original spiral
back in December two thousand and nine, and now we have the same phenomenon
in two thousand and ten, February eighteen, and you have it in two
places which are probably six hundred six to seven hundred miles apart at least.
How can you have this phenomenon? I mean, you don't have spirals,
you don't have aurora making these circles in the sky. There is none recorded
so far. These are the first two known. And I don't know,
somebody has a pictures or something. I don't know, but no, this
is the first time. And it's incredible that we had both at the same
time and something else happened at the same time that we had the spiral in
December ninth, twenty ten, we have the pyramid recorded over Mostcow over the
Kremlin. Oh right, that was amazing. We posted that story so well,
the story is fascinating. I know there there were many many people try
to host something similar after that was presented with the regional video. Unfortunately we
don't know who recorded this. Yep, well we have seen it and analyzaid
the video the cell, the cell video that was taken from the car the
Red Square. Let's talk more about that. And I also want to ask
you about another news piece that we covered today, which was a halo cloud
halo that was seen in Mexico and people have been seeing those throughout the world
as well, so we want to talk more about that. We've got a
break coming up here and we'll come back with him Maisan talk about these strange
shapes in the sky. Stay tuned Open Minds Radio. All right, you're
back. This is Alejandro Rojas with Open Minds Radio. And before we went
to break, and I do want to mention another guy in the room is
Santiago Teria, a guy you've been working with for quite a bit. And
he does his presentations at the Congress. Well, I respect very much untility.
Yeah, he has been an incredible collaborator. He has helped us a
lot. It's very important to the organization that we have created in Mexico.
He's a real expert. He can find very easily when something is real or
if it's not real. And that's it's very important for this kind of organization
to have someone like Santiago, because when you don't know something about some image,
you can be easily full, you know. But fortunately he has a
big historian record of all the cases that have been presented over the last twenty
or third years, I mean, and sometimes for example, let me give
you an example, and I think was a Romania as they presented No Bulgaria,
they presented a video supposedly taken by a little kid ten years old and
you can see two hands in the sky clearly, and you say, wow,
And this little kid took this video. Wow, was presented by the
news in Bulgary. Wow, this has to be real. And the mother
talking about this and you are and then I send all of this and tell
me what do you think of this? And he had the story this was
created four or five years ago, and he knows who did it, how
he did it, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Then four
people from the Bulgary News because they didn't know they were full, but they
were pulled by a little boy and his mother. That's incredible. But this
happens all the time. And now when you have all these cybernetics, you
have all these computers, it's very easily to be full. That's why for
us it's very important to know who is the witness, who else was there?
What do we have here? For example, we have a picture that
we're going to release tomorrow here in the UFO Congress where you will be able
to see a pyramid, the chi Chenisa pyramid, the very famous pyramid,
the Mayan Pyramid. July twenty fourth, two o'clock an thirty one seconds.
A family, the Sis and Ciliesan Hernandez family, Ectociliesan Glenn Rnandez and their
two daughters, Destiny and Caroline the pictures and they took a picture of this
pyramid because it was raining, they saw lighting behind the pyramids, and then
this man pulled the daughters in front of the pyramids that had the pyramid and
a lighting, striking or cutting the sky, you know, beautiful picture to
make a putter or something, you know. And then when he did that,
he got the lights in the park. But it's not very impressive.
But then from the pyramid, from the roof of the pyramids, you can
see a tunnel of light going to the sky. Wow. Amazing, I
mean, Alexandro, amazing. If I tell you, I cannot make justice
of my description to the incredible evidence that this is. This is one of
the best things I have ever seen. Then we know the names of the
people who took it. We have the pictures and they were taken with the
iPhone and that way, we have the GPS. We know exactly where it
was taking in the exact position on the air where this was taken, in
the direction was taken. We have witnesses. We found what witness that was
there, who is a very famous ankle in the Mexican television and besides that,
very scatty. He's like a film class, you know, he's as
avonker. He makes fun of anyone. Well, and what does he think
about the picture? He said, I was there when this was taken.
I found him because this family told me there was a famous man from television,
and I looked through the descriptions and I took Google and we found the
picture and it is the man. Yes, he's the man. Always Rene
Frank okay, I was going to call Renephranco and coincidentally he told me to
bind it to his show to make fun of me again or you know.
And then I said, Okay, Renee, were you the Were you in
Cichensa July twenty four yes, uh, he said, before I asked,
and I saw a picture that I took there and then I said, and
then you saw it, and then you know what I'm talking about. So
people saw this light coming from less. I saw it. I was there,
and he declared that in the television. So and he accepted plenty Yes,
man, for the first time we agree in something. I saw a
picture and I know the picture is real. I don't know what the picture
means. I don't know what is this. I don't think it's extraterrestrials.
I don't think that whatever. Well, he said that the picture is real.
Wait until you see that picture now that it's going to be the cover
your second issue. Probably, Hey, it sounds good. I can't wait
to see it. Now do you think there's a mind connection? You're talking
about all these signs, and that's a lot of singing behind that picture,
because it means that these minds have technology from the past. Friend, I
mean from in the past. Promise not to restals. There is no other
way I can explain. This. Probably is a natural phenomenon, but for
me has to be something else. I mean, we can't debate on this.
You can say, no, this is because of the lighting in the
bark. Then the energy comes under the ground and it's released through the pyramid.
I don't know it's a pulse because it didn't last one hundreds of a
second. It didn't last. Okay, it's like this and that's it.
But there are watching you see something like a like a flash, and that's
it. That's incredible. I can't wait to see it. And it seems
like there are a lot of sightings in Mexico, much more than in the
United States. And you're getting videos, you're getting you're getting pictures. Why
do you think that is? Probably the picture in the pyramid explains that probably
there is a relation from the past. Probably we were together with this.
Probably they came to see their friend and so there's the songs of their friends
and from the past. I don't know, because probably because we were astronomers,
probably because we have so many magnetic mountains, who knows, probably because
we don't attack them. Of all these reasons together, the thing is that
we have incredible sightings. And I'm gonna present tomorrow here if the people can
come, because I know they're listening to us in Phoenix. I tell you,
Santiago, Tulia and myself will be giving this presentation one o'clock tomorrow.
He had the aquariums hotel, and if you want to know, you shouldn't
miss this presentation because the full two hours that we were given are gonna be
used to present evidence, one after the other. Santiago even brought us the
last images from the last mission, the STS one thory that just finished what
Sunday, Saturday Sunday, a couple of days ago, five days ago,
five days ago. But we have the images UFOs around it. I mean,
it's amazing. Was from the last NASA mission. Yeah, you're showing
this tomorrow too, Yes, so you're right, there's plenty of time to
get here, especially from Phoenix. You know you could leave after work.
Yeah, four hours no, No, it's four hours. You could leave
early in the morning. Yeah, well, I think they should. Whatever
they can't, they should because this is not presented by the American media.
It's what a concern m hm. So the Congress. You've been going to
the Congress for quite some time and the Congress is about the only American venue
you use. Yeah, and it's like the only American venue where you come
doing an English presentation. Why do you think the Congress is so important?
This Congress is the most important for me from all the United States, is
the most serious. They make a good effort to bring very objective people,
the investigators. For me, the most credible events I've been in many don't
confuse, don't get confused. I know many other events, but this is
my favorite from all on that I put time. I received invitations all the
time to other events, but I never go because I don't feel comfortable.
And you're definitely going to join us next year in Phoenix the huh if you
invite me? Yeah, yeah, definitely got to have him for the first
the twentieth anniversary. They're probably Santiago to all right, perfect, we have
to have him as well. Yeah, I've interviewed him before on YouTube and
it was awesome, and we're going to interview him later today for our live
show. So really excited about that and really excited to talk to you.
What else, what is the other big amazing thing that you can present at
your time? Says so much more. We have this video from May twenty
seconds two thousand and nine, when you can see an object releasing hundreds of
spears on both sides. Oh, that's amazing video. I've seen some too,
Yeah, and there are two of the same kind. I mean,
I mean two different witnesses recorded at the same event at the same time,
right, And this is amazing because you will see hundreds of his spears being
released by a small object. How can that be? Nobody has been able
to explain that. But this is an amazing and real video because you have
two videos recorded at the same time, and that's very very seldom. Well,
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