First time to first time to Welcome to podcast joint host Hoho as he discusses
the rinting Netflix original series Black Mirror. Now Here he is for broadcasting from
the Cottage Studio Welcome to Black Mirror Podcast and as always, I'm your host.
So hi, y'all was doing. I hope you've done good. I
really do, because today we are on episode two of season six titled Locke
Henry. Oh. Yeah. Now, this one I was a definite fan
of. I really was for for a few different reasons. You know.
One, it was more of a suspense thriller kind of a thing, and
it had, you know, a few different filming styles in the you know,
I mean, you had the regular filming style that you know, we've
come to love and appreciate with Black Mirror, and and we also had the
documentary film style, which which I I do enjoy. I like a good
documentary. And then it slid into a found footage type of a show.
And you know, I'm I'm a fan of found footage things. I really
am. I like found footage films very much, so, you know,
because you know, it's one of those things that you know, for an
indie film producer It's something that you can do without spending a lot of money
on you know, gear, camera equipment and whatnot. You know, I
mean you can do you know, with with a you know, a handful
of friends, a you know, a a thousand to twelve hundred dollars worth
of gear, you know, prosthetics, lateax, you know, dy homemade,
you know, fake blood, a great idea, a really good writer
and and an amazing filmographer. You can do a really really good found footage
film. I mean, it doesn't it's not going to break the bank,
and you can make quite a bit of money, you know, especially just
you know doing you know, streaming services or what have you, or you
know, subscription based kind of thing using Patreon or locals. I mean,
you can you can do a pretty decent job, make some money on that,
and you don't have to spend a whole heck a lot that That's one
thing I think that's really cool about doing you know, found footage films.
You know, it's it's really intriguing to me. I like the aspect of
it. Maybe one day I'll do my own. I don't know, I
have no idea, you know, I mean, I do got some documentary
stuff that I'm wanting to do and have some idea. Idea is that a
buddy of mine and I've been working on for doing a found footage type of
a thing. But whether it'll actually ever see the light of day, who
knows. But that's one of the reasons why I really did enjoy this film.
So this episode starts off with with a couple, you know, a
you know, a guy by the name of Davis in college and his a
friend that's in his same class filmography. I guess her name is Pia,
and you know that they are going on a road trip to you know that
they're going to do a project for their film school. Okay, that's what
they're doing. They're in college, okay, And you know along the way
they stop off at Davis's mom's house and we meet Janet for the first time,
and you know you in the opening. Oh yeah, and by the
way, before I go any further, and I'm sorry it took me this
long to get here, but spoiler alert, we are going to be talking
about the episode. We we really are, man, spoiler alert. Y'all
know how this works. So, you know, we meet Janet Davis's mom,
and you know that there's some things kind of immediately that we find out
and some things that give me pause. Not because it's it's more of a
suspense thriller type of an episode, there are certain things that you expect out
of them, and you know, a little bit less of a oh I
didn't see that coming, you know, because I mean, let's face it,
you know, whenever it comes to the genre, you know, there's
certain things that we expect to happen, and we kind of we look at
it, and when things don't quite look right, it's a little more noticeable
because it's such a well known type of a genre. Certain rules that just
play. And I'm not just talking about the movie's scream, but there is.
I mean, there's a certain level of expectation that comes along with it,
and this one was no different. So although in a matter of speaking,
there was a little bit fewer surprises and it didn't take us as long
to figure out what was going on, there was still that oh, okay,
well, I knew something was up. I kind of had it figured
out, but they took it in a direction that I really wasn't expecting.
I don't know about you, but you know, some of it was a
surprise. But others of it wasn't so early off in that in that first
sequence where they're at the house and you know, they we meet Janet Davis's
mom. You know, there's there's a couple of things that we find out.
You know, we find out that, you know, Davis's dad is
no longer in the picture. He was a police officer that that died.
We don't know how just yet, but we know that he died. And
there was something that I noticed pretty early off that gave me reason for pause,
like, oh, that's not right, okay. Whenever we go to
the shelf that has all of those recorded VHS tapes that just has the Burger
Ak word on it, you know, the the name of the miniseries that
that all of them were, and there was like fifteen or so of these
VHS cassette tapes, and I'm like, oh, there's something off about that.
There's a story behind those or you know better yet, those cassette tapes,
those VHS tapes has a story to tell. Because I don't know about
you, but you know, when you're talking cassette, you know VHS cassette
tapes that you are recording yourself, you know, you never just put the
series name on it, and that's it, especially whenever you're talking so many
stinking ones that just say the same thing, Burger Act. There was something
wrong there, and I picked up on in the media. I know about
you, but I picked up on that immedially. I'm like, there's something
off about that, you know, because you're going to have more information on
there, so you know what is on the tape. You know you're going
to have episode numbers, you're going to have season numbers. There's just there's
things in there that you're going to put You're not just going to put the
name of the series and leave it at that. Especial whenever you have fifteen
VHS tapes or so I'm guessing on the amount that I'll say the same thing.
There's something going on there, you know. I picked up on that
right immediately, you know. And of course we learn whenever they are outside
the door at Davis's mom house, you know it's it's there's there's that.
Oh okay, so they're doing a documentary type of a thing. Okay,
And I got excited about that again because I like I like documentaries. I
like watching documentaries learning about things. You know, I very much of a
fan of the genre. I like learning things. Documentaries to me are fascinating,
you know, it really is. It's fascinating. I'm like, oh
cool, okay, so I like where this is going. I'm liking this.
And then that night when they're up in the room and pe sees and
notices that camera, I'm like, oh, okay, now we're talking found
footage type of a thing. All right, let's see if they actually play
into this. Let's see what see what happens. And then you know,
he uh. I don't remember if it was that day, you know,
that that first day, or if it was the second day that they were
there, But Davis takes Pia to the lock and it's gorgeous out there.
I mean, it really is, you know. I mean, it's it's
the thing that landscape pictures come from, you know. And they talk about
that, you know, and one of the other things that they talk about,
at least Pia talks about. It's like, dude, this area is
gorgeous. This area is beautiful, you know, But why is there no
tourism? Why is there nothing going on? You know? And it's like
you can tell by Davis's reaction to this, that there's a story behind this,
and he is intimately aware of it. And you can just tell this
by his reaction to it. You know, it's just he's you can tell
that he's distraught about it, that it affected him in his life personally.
You can tell this. It's like, okay, okay. And then,
and I'm pretty sure this was day two, you know, Davis takes Pia
over to the only bar this left in town, I guess, you know,
there were originally three and now down to just one. And we come
to find out why the dark secret behind this nice little town that should be
by all intents and purposes, just like a hot spot for tourism. And
it's not what's the dirty little secret? Well, it's the story of and
I'm going to probably mispronounced this name, but Ian Adair, a serial killer
whom his father, Davis's father was directly involved with taking down, with bringing
him to justice and finding the gruesome dungeon in the basement of his parents house,
which just so happened to also be where a triple well a double murder
suicide took place. And so, you know, p had decided that she
really wanted to do a documentary based off of that the serial killer in Adair,
you know that's She's like, dude, here's the house. You know,
let's tell this story. Let you know, maybe we can you know,
bring some tourism back to this town. Maybe we can tell the story
of you know, your father and you know how he was, you know,
the last victim of the serial killer that whom you know shot his father.
Granted he didn't die of those wombs. He died from complications while being
at the hospital and getting sick and die in that way. I mean,
it was a indirect death caused by the serial killer. And it's like,
dude, let's tell the story. Let's get this out, let's do this.
You know, you know, we got you know, we have a
really good idea here. Let's do it. And he's very like, I
don't want to do it. You know, he did not want to do
it whatsoever. You know, it just it hits a little bit too close
to him, you know. I mean, it's a childhood scar that hasn't
quite healed with him, and not just because of his own situation, but
with his mother because she had never been the same since you know. So
he's like, no, I don't you know, I don't want to do
that. Well, she talks him into it, but not just her,
because you know that night going to the bar talking with Stewart, which is
Davis's friend, the son of the owner of the are, it's like,
oh, well, you know, let's you really should do that. You
really should do the documentary on this serial killer. And who knows, maybe
doing this story can bring some tourism back to town and we can save the
town because you know that's where Stuart's you know, that's that was his motivation
behind doing this. You know that they all have different motivations in this.
You know, Pia wants to tell an awesome story because you know, the
story they were originally going to do was kind of blow, kind of bland.
You know, it really wasn't going to go anywhere. It wasn't going
to give them you know what what Pia was wanting. You know that that
fifteen minutes of fame, if you will, It wasn't going to go anywhere.
And she kind of knew that. You know, it was kind of
boring, boring, and it just wasn't going to go anywhere. But this
was something that really has that potential if done right to really go somewhere,
you know, and she had that visionary aspect about it. She can see
it without seeing it yet you know, it's like, this is a good
story. We can do this. It'll be awesome and amazing. And Stuart,
you know, his motivation was simple. He wanted to bring tourism back
to the town. He wanted to save the town and in essence save the
bar, save the business that his dad had built. And so you know
Stuart's mom, who passed away four years before you know, the the the
goings ons of the episode. You know, she apparently followed the news on
this story with with Ian Adair, followed it okay, and had a bunch
of stuff, you know, newspaper clippings, you know, pictures, different
information of that nature. And you know, it was around the same time
frame two that we find out that you know, Stewart's dad, the owner
of the bar, you know, he was he really was not keen on
what was going on. He didn't want them doing this documentary. He really
didn't. Okay. Now, following logic on this, okay, there was
some things or at least I guess you could say, following the normal trends
of the genre that we're talking about here, with a murder mystery, suspense,
thriller, found footage kind of a thing. Okay, I automatically had
suspicions about what's going on. Okay, because of all those Burgerac tapes,
the TV series that the apparently Davis's dad was really into and his mom as
well, was really really into those. To me, had a story to
tell. There was something off about all those cassette tapes sitting there and this
being roughly what fourteen years after the fact, because you know, he's Davis
is in college. Davis's dad died whenever he was I believe eight, and
so all this took place went down when Davis was, you know, seven
ish years old. So we're talking to good fourteen fifteen years since the fact,
and with Stuart's dad, the owner of the bar, with how he
was you know, destroyed, you know, just defeated he was, he
was a drunk, and how he was angry and upset about them doing this
documentary on this. My suspicion was he was involved. My suspicion was that
he was, you know, a co conspirator in this whole thing. That
Ian didn't act alone. And that somehow Janet was involved Davis's wife because of
all those cassettes being there. She was, in fact a fan of this
series, Burger acting, I'm like, she's got to be involved in this
somehow, because those tapes are very suspicious to me. And what if Davis's
dad was collateral damage, you know, somebody that found out too much and
they had to deal with it, tie up loose ends, if you will.
And that's that's where my mind went. Okay, that's where my mind
went. I'm like, this is you know, there's things going on.
This makes sense, that fits the pattern of the genre of what we would
normally expect with this. I wonder just how right I really am. So
they're talking with somebody about their new direction for the film, going from what
they were going to do to doing this documentary and offering something new, something
that, you know, a part of the story that hasn't been told before,
something that they could offer the went beyond what is already known. Do
you have access to the house? Oh? Absolutely so the trio, you
know, Davis, Pia and Stuart they break into the house Ian at There's
house and they go to the location where they know the the dungeon of death
is in the basement of the house, and they go in there and you
know that their their their thought process was, you know, this isn't going
to be all that bad. We need to make this look a lot worse
than what it really is. And Stewart, for some odd reason, kind
of knew how to make that happen, you know, by by putting lemon
juice on surfaces and it being black light reactive and it will look, you
know, pretty nice. So they put some lemon juice down and then they
turned the lights out. They turned the black lights on, and oh,
holy crap, because they didn't need to use the lemon juice because that basement
under a black light lit up like a Christmas tree. There was that much
remnants of biological material down their blood that there was no need to doctor anything.
So they're in they're in the space, they're in the area where the
whole thing takes place, and it's like, wow, you know, this
is kind of creepy. You know, this is kind of creepy. On
the way back home to Davis's mom's house, they get into an accident.
They're at the hospital. The only one really injured was Davis he was the
one that was driving. Stewart was okay, Pea was okay. But you
know, Davis had a neck brace on and he was going to be staying
overnight for you know, observation. He had a concussion. So they were
like, we're going to keep you overnight for observation, make sure nothing's wrong.
And you know, no big deal, is just precaution. You're fine,
but you know, we want to keep you under observation just in case.
And for some reason, and I don't remember what that reason was,
but Stewart's dad was there, the owner of the bar, and you know
he's he's mean mugging or at least paying a lot of attention to Davis and
Stewart and Pia. And after Stuart, Pia and Janet leave, Davis is
all by himself and there's some cutting back and forth going on because whenever Janet
gets Pia back to her house, you know she's going to be making the
shepherd's pie and nice dinner for them, and you know, Pia retreats to
the upstairs wherever where they were staying at, you know, Davis's room,
and she's like, you know, I got some stuff that I need to
you know that I need to go over. I need to digitize some of
these cassette tapes. I need to do this, you know, and work
on this, so you know, let me know when when supper is ready,
and I'll be up here doing this. And she's going through and digitizing
the cassette tapes because you know, they use the same camera that her dad
had, or that that Davis's dad have in order to do the documentary.
That's the camera they decide that they're going to use. And apparently they ran
out of VHS tapes and well they popped in one of the Burger AC tapes
and recorded over it. Oh no big deal. Mom will never know.
So she's digitizing this cassette tape and then it cuts back over to and I
might have some of my you know, factoids in here, a little off.
But you know, we got two things going on simultaneously. We got
Pia digitizing the VHS tapes, and we have Davis alone at the hospital,
laying in the bed and he's perusing you know, he's got a cell phone,
he's looking through social media, you know. And Stuart's dad gets out
of the bed and walks over to where Davis is he sits down on the
bed and he's like, I you need to stop what you're doing. You
need to quit because there's something about ian Adair that just never quite sat right
with me. And roughly at that time, in the process of Pia digitizing
the VHS tape, the part that they record is done, and now you've
got the ending to you know, whatever episode was on that Burger Act tape
and I'm probably not pronouncing that right either, it doesn't matter, you know.
And then next thing, you know, the end of the episode,
and now you've got a home recording at the end of that, and who's
in the camera frame other than ian A Dare? What's he doing there?
This is Janet's VHS tape? What's going on here? Oh? Holy crap,
there's there's Davis's dad. You mean he was involved in this. And
then they talk about, you know, because you have the missing couple that
was there, you know, the story that brought all of this to light
and start started the ball rolling on all of this. You see that couple
in the dungeon of death at ian Adair's house, and then the camera pans
over and then you have Janet coming in through the door. Davis's mom.
Oh, holy crap. This wasn't just one person whom was a serial killer.
This was a trio of them. And although I was right on my
assumption to a point with Davis's mom being involved, I mean, of course,
you know, she's the one, you know who was a fan of
this TV series that there's like fifteen VHS tapes on there. But you know,
I was wrong in my assessment on Stuart's dad's involvement and with Davis's dad
his involvement, because I was wrong on that. I didn't think he was
a co conspirator in this, you know, I thought he was collateral damage.
I thought he was, you know, just a loose end that had
to be tied up. I thought that Stewart's dad was involved, not that
he you know, he really had some deep, rude of suspicions that he
never could prove, and that's why he didn't want them to do this documentary.
I was wrong on that, you know, I was. I was
definitely surprised on it. I really was, you know, I mean,
there was like not entirely surprised. You know, I'm used to the genre,
man, I'm used to some of the curveballs they liked to throw at
you. But they definitely went a direction that, although good, surprised me
a little bit. I was like, huh, this went a little bit
deeper than what I thought. It did a little different of a direction.
And then they went and surprised me more because well, now Pan knows the
truth. Pan knows that Davis's mom, or wait, hold on, I
misspoke. Pian now knows that ian A Dare didn't act alone, that both
davis mom and dad were directly involved in this. So she now is terrified,
and rightfully so. And then wouldn't you have it? Janet walks through
the door, Hey, supper's ready now quickly. You know, Pia shuts
the computer screen down, shuts that puppy down there. You go, okay,
but she couldn't she Pia can't play poker. Let's just put it that
way. She can't play poker. And I mean, come on, I
don't blame her. Would you be any different? You just found out something
that horrifying, you know, being in a house all alone, basically nobody
to Janet. You know, she didn't know. You know, Janet didn't
know Pia. You know, Davis wasn't there. It was a two of
them alone. She can do whatever she wanted to to Pia, and nobody
would be the wiser. Oh, I don't know what happened she you know,
she just left, took her stuff, she's gone. I don't I
don't know. She got upset about something. I have no idea. And
why wouldn't they believe her? You know, Pia wasn't part of that town,
wasn't part of that community. She was a stranger to everybody. The
only only three people that knew her really was Davis, Janet and Stewart,
the only people that really had contact with her. Other than that. No,
she could come up with any stories she wanted to and get away scott
free. So Pia obviously is and and rightfully so she's terrified now she knows
that she is in danger. You in danger, Molly, you endanger girl,
Like holy crap. And then they threw the loop in there because Jane
is now suspicious because you know, Pia has a horrible poker face. Pia
ends up leaving, walking down the road trying to get cell phone services she
can call Davis and tell him what she just found out. Janet is suspicious
of Pia's sudden change in her mood, character, demeanor, the whole nine
yards. She gets this, Oh, looking upstairs, I wonder what was
going on. She goes into Davis's room and at this point, the VHS,
the VCR just finishes rewinding the cassette tape that Pia was digitizing, and
it ejects the VHS tape and lo and behold, she sees what has written
on the label Burger AC and Davis's mom knows full well what's on that tape
and knows that Pia knows she's got to do something about it, hops into
the car, drives down the road. But pa is smart enough and she
gets away from her. Unfortunately, in the process of getting away from Janet,
she slips, she falls down, she you know, tragic accident,
and she dies. But Janet, not knowing Pia's demise, thinks that Pia
got away and knows now that the truth will come out, and so she
goes back to the house. She takes every one of the Burger Ac vhs.
She stacks him all up. She writes on a note, along with
other memorabilia and trophies that she had kept over the years, and for your
film mom, the only thing written, the only explanation given, and then
she hangs herself. Davis, of course, now finds the truth, finds
out the truth. He is dead. Davis's dad was not the hero that
he had grown up thinking that he was. His mom was not the woman
she or he thought she was. His whole life now is flipped upside down.
Holy crap, you know, a an ideal of who you are?
Your own identity is now it's been destroyed. Everything you thought was true is
now nothing. And he feels now as though his entire childhood, everything,
his very identity was based off of a lie. Wow, he wins the
film award and all is right in the world. Tour comes back to Locke.
Yeah, just an awesome, awesome episode in a awesome awesome episode.
So a few questions here, you know, let's let's get right into this
portion of it. So how do you feel about found foot and how do
you feel about Found Footage films? Are you a fan? You like him,
you don't like him? How many of you seen? Which one is
your favorite? I'll tell you mine if you tell me yours. And honestly,
I'm I'm a huge fan of the Hell House LLC series. There's three
of them right now. You take the last twenty minutes out of the third
one, and you've got like the perfect found footage series right there. Loved
it, really did, But I gotta I gotta be honest with you,
though. I hear they're making a part four and I'm curious. Can't wait
to see that one. I hope, I hope I got I got the
right one. But I heard they were doing a part four. I'm hoping
I got my my facts right on that one, because I am definite fan
of the The Hell House LLLC series one, two, three, awesome,
awesome shows. So you're a fan of found footage? If so, what's
your favorite? I'm curious, now, what's your favorite? And do you
think that would be something you would like to do? You know, not
not your own found footage, although you know, hey, if you would
like to do that, let me know on that one too, why not,
let's throw that one in there too, But as far as doing some
type of a documentary thing, because that that's the thing. Man, you
know, a camera is easy to come by. I mean, come on,
you know your your cell phone takes good pickers, amazing videos. I
mean it wouldn't take a whole heck of a lot to create some awesome kind.
And we all live in places. We all know things about our own
hometown or area that we live, or our own block or something. Every
town has an Elm Street, every town has horror stories, has a history,
whether it be dark, whether it be inspiring, whether it be whatever.
We all know people or have people in our families that have an amazing
story to tell. Would that be something that you would like to do a
passion if you will, that you would like to pursue. Let me know.
I'm I'm curious on that. You know, do you have a hero
in your family, a dark history maybe that nobody would like the light to
be shined onto. I mean, I doubt you'll let me know on that
one, but hey, please do you know? Let me let me know
in the comments, let me know at Black Mirror podcast dot com. We're
sending an email, let me know. I'm curious, let me know in
the discussion board. When I finally get season six, episode two put up
there. How would you feel if everything you thought about your childhood you're growing
up, you know a person in your family that you know it had previously
been a hero, for the whole thing to come crashing down and for you
to realize that everything was a lie. You know, has that ever happened
to you? How did you take it? Is that something that you think
you would be able to handle very well? I personally, I don't think
so. I don't think I would handle something like that very well at all,
you know, just to shock, especially coming from somebody whom you know,
fresh well not even out of college yet. I mean, he's not
even made his own way in the real world, if you will. I
mean me, I'm in my mid forties, I've you know, lived a
life outside of childhood and college into adulthood. So I mean for me that
it wouldn't be as near of a life and identity crisis as it had to
have been for Davis. I mean, dude, could you imagine something like
that? I mean, how a man? I can't even imagine what that
had to have done to his psyche. I mean, and you can just
tell by how the you know, how the episode ended, and how you
know Davis was just kind of just there through the whole end of the show,
and that his world had completely been destroyed. I mean, I don't
think I would handle it any better. I really don't, you know.
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