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Callahan is making his way south with
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team every day through this off season
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through the coaching carousel and the NFL
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Slash Lockdown and James. We have
reporting on the timing of Brian Callahan's three

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in person interviews as of Monday,
going to Tennessee, going to Carolina,

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going to Atlanta for of a very
busy three day in person interview stretch.

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For him, feels like he's as
good as gone. My friend, I

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think Brian Callahan's going to get a
head coaching job, and it makes sense

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in a lot of ways. We've
said it multiple times. It's a matter

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of when, not if. When
it comes to the Bengals offensive coordinator.

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It is interesting, and these three
jobs are interesting because none of them are

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awesome jobs at the moment. I
don't know how you feel about them.

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I think there are a lot of
people that are going to look at that

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Carolina job and say there's no way
he should go there. I also think

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given Brian's experience here in Cincinnati,
and there are some differences. I'm not

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saying that it's the same, but
he's seen it go from one win and

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wondering where that first win is going
to come in twenty nineteen to where it's

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gotten to where we're expecting AFC championship
runs and Super Bowls every year. And

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so even a job like Carolina,
because I've seen a lot of comments on

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this, whether it's on our YouTube
page or on social media, I think

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Brian will see some good in that, and it wouldn't shock me if that's

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of the three the job that he's
most likely to take, because I think

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it's the one that's most likely to
offer it to him. Yeah, I

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think we've seen some reporting kind of
hinting that perhaps he is the favorite for

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the Carolina Panthers, but I think
he's in consideration for all three jobs.

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You don't bring in Brian Callahan for
in person interviews if you're not at least

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considering it. Atlanta certainly talking to
some very high profile coaches as well,

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so that one feels very competitive,
just with the Belichick report out there and

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that interview that occurred. But I
do think that Carolina is the hardest of

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these jobs, and think about any
of these jobs. You don't just turned

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down a head coaching job unless it's
wildly toxic, and you could argue that

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Carolina is that. With their owner
being in the news a little bit more

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than you probably want to see an
owner in the news lately, and the

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way their season went, the lack
of a first round asset this year,

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you're inheriting a QB. There are
reasons that you would be worried historically about

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seeing a head coach go into that
sort of situation for his first head coaching

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job. It's a hard place to
be when you can't pick your own quarterback

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in the foreseeable future, and you
don't have a ton of assets or honestly

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great players on the team. But
it does feel like he's got a great

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shot to go somewhere else this year. I think the Tennessee job in the

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Atlanta job are both okay. I
think their worst jobs. In the NFL.

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The NFC South seems to be going
through coaches at a pretty high rate

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outside of New Orleans, and I
guess Tampa to some degree in recent years.

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So both of those jobs, you
know a little bit tenuous, but

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at least in Atlanta, maybe you
can get a new quarterback in and there's

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some pieces around down there, and
in Tennessee. I don't know. I

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don't know how I feel about that
one. That feels like a pretty average

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job. But if Brian is a
good coach, he could elevate any of

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these teams. And I think you
know, we've seen over time that he's

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been involved with the turnaround in Cincinnati. We've heard Zach Taylor talk about his

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role in building the culture in Cincinnati, and like you mentioned, he's been

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through that ascent from bringing in the
quarterbacks and getting to the top to getting

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to the super Bowl. And so
that's got to be one of the reasons

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that he's very attractive to these teams. Yeah, for sure, and let's

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rank. Let's rank them thousand foot
view. Obviously we're not done on the

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interviews and don't have all the details. We don't know what the Falcons plan

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for quarterback is. I love Desmond
Ritter. I also don't think that that's

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the plan or should be the plan
they have the eighth pick. I think

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that's the best of the three jobs. Yep, is that Falcons job?

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And part of it is the division, no doubt, and if they get

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the right quarterback, I think they
would have won the division this year if

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they had the right quarterback. Put
it that way, and Baker Mayfield won

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that division with a solid Tampa team. But they don't scare you. They

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certainly don't scare you, And so
that's where I would start. I think

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the Tennessee job is behind that.
But Mike Rabel had them in the AFC

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title game a few years ago with
Ryan Tannehill. Like, if you're Brian

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and you think you're a good coach, and I know he thinks he's a

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good coach, why would you think
that you couldn't turn it around in a

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weird AFC South That is also you
know, you've got some ascending teams.

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It feels like some good young quarterbacks
there. But I don't think it's it's

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certainly not the AFC North, but
it that way. And then the Panthers

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job. I agree it's weird because
you're kind of stuck with Bryce, Like

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in Tennessee, you're not stuck with
Will Levis. It's a draft pick they

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invested, and I'm fine if it
doesn't work out this year, you can

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go get your next quarterback Carolina,
You're probably married to him for the next

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two years unless things go really really
wrong this next year, so you're taking

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that job. It's similar sort of
to him interviewing in Arizona last year versus

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interviewing in Indy, And those are
the two interviews he took and got close

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to getting the Indie job. One
you're drafting a quarterback potentially, and the

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Colts ended up doing that. The
other you have your quarterback and Kyler Murray.

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Similar to a degree with this Carolina
job, you have your quarterback,

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but he's almost like a smaller,
less athletic Kyler Murray. And let's established

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Kyler had done something in the NFL
at that point for sure. Yeah,

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so it's tough. I do think
that he'll take any of the three if

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that comes down to it. I
don't know that, but I would be

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surprised if he turned down a head
coaching job. Yeah. I think that

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a lot of times. When these
guys are in position to get their first

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head coaching job, it's very hard
to turn it down. They are confident

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in themselves, they're aware. I'm
sure Brian is aware of what's going on

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in Carolina. Right. But it's
just an opportunity where if you're confident in

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your abilities, and you're going to
be confident in your abilities if you're interviewing

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for head coaching jobs, believe that
that would be a job he would take.

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It's just losing that pick, having
a first round pick, it's just

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I think, really tough with the
care and maybe I'm overrating it, but

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it's because it's the first overall pick
that they lost in Tennessee. In Atlanta,

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picking seven and eight back to back, you have a really nice asset

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there to build your team around if
you want to get a quarterback, no

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doubt, and or a stud receiver
for your own quarterback if you like will

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or franchise tackle. Plenty of options
to your point. In Carolina, they

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don't have that. Let me ask
you this. Let's say Brian Callahan takes

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the Bengals, or it goes from
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Does that make it more likely that
a franchise tag T Higgins ends up

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in Carolina? I think it does. I think it makes up a little

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more likely, maybe a bit.
I don't know. We can cross that

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bridge when we come to it.
That just feels so far away, and

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it's so hard to project the Bengals. We got T Higgins here, we

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need thirty three and a fourth rounder. It's so hard to project project the

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Bengals trading T Higgins on the franchise
tag thirty three five. Okay, we'll

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take it. Let's go. Like, I get your point, but you

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also like, do you not agree? It's really hard to project that trade

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to something in reality. Oh for
sure, Yeah, that's all I'm saying.

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There's just no way I would let
him play out this year on the

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tag though, and I think they're
better with T. I just can't get

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nothing. And the thirty third pick
in this year's draft, it's pretty pretty

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good, especially where there's like you're
seeing some some early reporting about the depth

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of the draft on Day three,
some discussion around that, how did you

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see that this week? Where like
I did, Yeah, I did.

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Depletion of the draft class because of
COVID years, because of this, because

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of nil, because of this,
because of that, Like the late part

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of the draft, you're talking earlier
undrafted free agents kind of getting picked.

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So there's some reasons the Bengals might
not be in dire straits of Brian Callahan

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goes there's some reasons that Dan Pittrick
could stay even though he's also in high

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demand. We'll touch on that topic
and get to some playoff takeaways and some

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potential Joe burrow erasure by some other
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If Brian Callahan takes a job to
be a head coach somewhere, there's been

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some concern, including on this podcast, about if the Bengals were to lose

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dam Pitcher to an OC job as
well. But there are some reasons that

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he could choose to say in Cincinnati
if he has an OC promotion on the

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table, especially and I think there's
been some concern that, you know,

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maybe he would follow Brian Callahan.
Maybe he would go somewhere where he's off

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for play calling duties and he would
take a bigger promotion quote unquote, bigger

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promotion including play calling, perhaps to
go elsewhere. What are your thoughts on

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Dan Pitcher's future if Brian Callahan does
depart. I think Brian Callahan is the

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next Bengals offensive coordinator. And there's
a couple of the Brian Callahan I think

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he meant dam Pitcher. Oh,
Damn Pitcher? Bam, Wow? How

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about that? See I just did
on the podcast what social media teams across

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the country have been doing. Maybe
I meant to do that on purpose,

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getting the two confused. Dan Pitcher's
the next Bengals offensive coordinator and I would

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be surprised if he wasn't. I
messaged you that before we started the show.

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There's a couple of things here,
and we know about his Saints interview.

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You could look around the league.
There's the Patriots. There's the idea

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of following Callahan to the Titans or
Panthers or Falcons. First things first,

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why would he not follow Callahan?
What can Callahan offer that Zach Taylor kant

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because call me crazy, but after
five years of being an offensive coordinator not

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calling your own plays. I will
be floored, shocked, stunned. If

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Brian Callahan does not call his own
plays wherever he is, I would be

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I would be stunned. And it's
because he's an offensive mind, and I'm

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sure he wants that shot, and
he wants to show what he can do,

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and he's learned and feels like he's
ready. So I would be stunned

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if he didn't go that route.
So there you go. If you're Dan

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Pitcher and you're not calling your plays
here in Cincinnati, well why would you

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go to Tennessee or Carolina or Atlanta? You wouldn't. He's not following Brian

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Callahan. And this isn't inside info. It's just looking at the tea leaves

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and reading them. As far as
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We close the door on Brian Callahan
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twice, Dan pitcher following Brian Callahan. These other jobs they could offer the

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play calling element. And that's what's
interesting now about the Bengals because Zach Taylor

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hasn't really entertained the idea of not
calling plays. Would he do that to

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keep Dan Pitcher. Does he need
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I think that's the real question to
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New England is a question mark.
The Eagles have an opening that's a

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question mark. The Bears field theirs
today. I don't know. I mean,

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you got Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase, and if Dan Pitcher does his

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job in Cincinnati, he will get
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I don't know if we'll get one, but he'll get interviews. I don't

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know if it's worth moving your family
and going through all of that when you

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could just get the elevation here,
roll with Joe Burrow and try to win

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a Super Bowl. I think the
most telling thing about that that idea that

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you can stay here and get a
head coaching interview next year if you do

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a good job as OC is look
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Taylor coaches that are in demand,
and Zach Taylor doesn't have a huge coaching

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tree at this point because people have
stayed in Cincinnati for the last few years.

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Has documented Brian Callahan, one of, if not the longest tenured offensive

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coordinator in the NFL at the same
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league yep. So a bit of
a surprise there that those physicians just move.

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There's a lot of turnover because those
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other teams. When they're bad,
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is you look at some of the
interview patterns the Bears reportedly hiring Shane Waldron

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or moving toward hiring Shane Waldron.
These guys coming from the McVeigh, Taylor

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Tree, Shanahan Tree are in high
demand around the NFL, and you'll probably

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see that with Mike McDaniel in the
next couple of years as well. We've

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seen it with Andy Reid over the
last few years. But if that continues,

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then Dan Pitcher would be another one
of those guys. And if he

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does a good job, then he
can separate himself from the other number of

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coaches in the NFL that have similar
experience. And if Taylor doesn't want to

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lose both guys being Callahan and Dan
Pitcher, he does have some things that

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Bengals can offer. One it could
be just as simple as money. Do

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the Bengals need to pay more to
keep Pitcher than other teams would offer in

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similar roles too. I wonder,
as there's been some speculation, including Joe

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Gudberry on Bengals in the on the
brain, I wonder if Zach would consider

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head coat or play calling duties.
And I wonder if that's on the table

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to try to keep Dann Pitcher if
they don't want to go through that much

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upheaval in one year. Yeah,
do they need to to your question,

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I don't know, But is it
on the table? I wonder. I

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mean, I think that could be
reasonable. You can see that being possible.

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Sure you could, because I think, and we talked about this last

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week and those that listened to or
watched our show, losing both is not

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good. And I don't think Zach
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that that's you could say what you
want about Brian or the offense or Dan

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or which I don't know why you'd
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both quarterbacks look prepared all year,
right, that's the job of the quarterbacks

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coach. I think that they're as
valued as anyone. I think Zach puts

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a lot on Brian. I think
Zach relies on Dan a lot. I

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think Joe trusts both of those guys
and that's that matters a lot. So

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to have both guys just go in
one offseason, that would suck. For

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lack of a better word, and
I know that's not the professional word.

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Whatever I'm telling you, that's exactly
how Zach's thinking. So what do they

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do? I agree, I think
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rout. I do wonder if they
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and you say, Dan, we
value you and they should pay him,

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of course, but the play calling
duties, because that opens up a

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whole another can of worms. I'm
sure there's a lot of people listening like,

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yeah, Dan Pitcher play calling,
Okay, Zach Taylor's done it for

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five years. I'm sure you have
beef with some of his play calls.

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Get it. I do too.
Guess what, Dan Pitcher's not done it

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all right during this stretch with the
Bengals. So there's some growth there.

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And that's always been my argument when
people say, oh, Brian should be

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calling places. I like Brian a
lot. There would be a period there

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where he's getting his feet under it, and Zach has gone through that and

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he's done it for five years now, and he knows Burrow, and he

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knows what he likes and doesn't like
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not jumping at the idea if I'm
Zach of going to Dan and letting him

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call plays. But I do think
that I guess there could be a scenario

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where that's the case. I just
wonder if it's if it's needed to keep

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him. I don't think it is, but maybe it is. It'll be

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interesting. We should find out.
We should get our answers this week,

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potentially this week next week at the
latest, Brian Callaghan, with those three

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in person interviews starting Monday through Wednesday, back to back to back days,

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teams are going to want to get
this stuff resolved sooner than later. That's

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the case every year Senior Bowl.
Right around the corner, you want your

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coaches to be in place for that, especially in Cincinnati, also true for

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other teams around the league. To
finish up the show, James, you've

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got some playoff takeaways to talk about
with the divisional round behind us, and

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some conversation in national media that maybe
some Joe Burrow eraser, We'll finish the

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Your team every day. Let's start this

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final segment of the show James Today
with some playoff takeaways. There are four

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games in the books. We know
the championship game contenders. There are a

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couple of different directions we could go
here. I have some ideas. We

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talked about Bills Chiefs before we started
recording. James, I'll let you take

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us to where we're going to start. Well, game takeaways. Yeah,

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let's start with explosive plays, man, oh man, are they the difference

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and can they be the difference?
And you look at Chiefs Bills. The

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Bills they don't hit on the deep
botta to Stefon Diggs. That certainly impacted

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the game, but no explosives throughout
the game. Meanwhile, the Chiefs average

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over seven yards per play, multiple
explosives. They have Travis Kelce running free,

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or she Rice with some big plays. Isaiah Pacheco had some big plays,

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had Clyde Edwards Lair had a big
run up the sideline. That's a

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major factor. And I think this
Bengals offense this offseason, whether it's Brian

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Callahan, Dan Pitcher or Jake Lisco
calling the plays, you need to find

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a way to get more explosive plays. And and part of that's personnel.

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Part of that's execution certainly, and
part of that's finding the right plays at

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the right time. Four verts,
I'm calling the plays four verts. Well

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that's my style, baby, oh
baby, Let's go a little bit.

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If I were to tell you that
the Bills ran thirty more plays in the

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Chiefs, yep, they outpossessed the
Chiefs by fifteen minutes. Yep, they

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out they out rushed the Chiefs by
forty yards. The Chiefs lost the turnover

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battle, and the Chiefs also couldn't
get to the end zone on two red

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zone possessions, including one of those
being one of those turnovers. Would you

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think the Chiefs won that game?
How would the Chiefs possibly win that game

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when they're outpossessed by fourteen fifteen minutes? Give up? You know, there's

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that many more explosive plays. That's
how you stay in a game that goes

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out. Man, it'll just hide, It'll just hide all the other the

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other flaws. And by the way, I think the Chiefs defense is legit.

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I think that's part of it.
They made it very hard for the

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Bills, having all those extra plays, the yards per play for Bill's offense

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that was moving down the stretch.
Yeah, the Chiefs defense made things hard

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for sure. Yeah. So there's
one one thing, one major takeaway.

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The other is, man, oh
man, some of our draft crushes,

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some of our draft crushes just crushing
it. I was just sitting there,

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like, oh, all these tight
ends, and I think everyone was mentioning

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tight ends, but just to see
Jamir Gibbs just accelerate eight accelerated into the

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end zone, running past safety's making
them look slow. And I know he

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was there at twelve, but those
that listened to the show, no,

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I was really high on him,
and Kinkaid had a few nice catches.

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Laporta was someone that man we should
have been higher on and pushed harder,

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I think, but well obviously was
someone that the Bengals like, but not

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enough to take it. Twenty eight. Public insensus on Laporta was flipped pretty

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consistent throughout. The highest anybody would
have him would have been early second round,

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not quite as early as he got
picked. I think you know where

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he got picked was a surprise to
many people who know a lot about the

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industry. Same for Jamiera Kibbins.
The tight ends win earlier too, Yeah,

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it Gibbs win earlier, but the
tight ends, when you look at

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him outside of like Darneld Washington,
like Tucker Craft went a little earlier.

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Luke Musgrave went earlier than people expect. Like they all got bumped up almost

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except after Kinkaid went after Kinkaid because
Kinkaid could have gone earlier. Mayor could

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have gotten earlier, but the NFL
didn't like Mayor as much as some of

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these athletic guys. It is one
of those things where you're going to look

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back at the tight end class and
think, man, that's a missed opportunity.

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Somebody asked us that question on Twitter. I responded to the question,

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it is a missed opportunity. I
don't think there's any way around it.

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It was a great tight end class. I was way on board for Tucker

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Craft. I think Tucker Craft having
him if he was on the team right

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now, if you had the Green
Bay musgrave Craft combo, you'd be great.

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You'd be feeling great about your tight
end future. But if if he

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had just one of those guys,
I think you'd be feeling pretty good about

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it too. But one of the
one of the takeaways there for me is

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and this is reactionary, don't get
me wrong, this is this is reacting

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to one year of NFL football.
Yep, let's uh. I'm probably gonna

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downplay positional value a little bit this
year. Yeah, I get it,

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I do. After last year,
I was all about it, and you

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weren't alone. You weren't alone either, believe me. And it's not just

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last year either. This might be
a one year blip, right like picking

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Jamiir Gibs and Stan Laporta goes wrong
for teams more than it goes right for

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teams. But it made a big
difference for Destroit this year. The Lions

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took Gibbs, a linebacker, and
then a tight end, all in the

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top thirty four. I mean,
that's tough. And I think they could

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have waited till eighteen to take Gibbs, I really do. I mean,

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it was high on him as anybody, but I think they could have waited

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and they take Jack Campbell instead.
But hey, it's worked out. They're

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in the the NFC Championship Game.
The two quarterbacks in the NFC Championship Game

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aren't getting all the bus. But
I will say all this talk the other

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takeaway then it's wild Like anywhere you
turn now from Joe Burrow being compared to

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Ben Roethlisberger, and everyone's going to
say two rings, that's a fair comp

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No, it's not to Brady Manning. And now Lamar is the second best

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player on the world people just forget
about Joe. It's just it's wild to

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me. He's been dominant in these
playoff games. He's won five playoff games

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in two years, back to back
division championships. Gets hurt and now it's

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like he's justin Herbert or something.
And I'm not knocking Herbert, like I

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think people still respect Joe and think
he's a good player. No, He's

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had playoff success, like a lot
of it, and he's not even mentioned

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right now. I mean, Lamar
could win out, he could win the

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super Bowl, and he doesn't have
as many playoff wins as Joe Brow does

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over the past two years coming into
this season. It's just it's a bit

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wild to me. I think at
least Bengals stans find out like this,

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You credit Patrick Mahomes in his postgame
comments for sure, Yeah out Joe Burrow,

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Like Yeah, when I played Josh
Allen and I played Joe Burrow and

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I played Lamar Jackson, I know
that's going to come down to the end.

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I know the kind of fire those
guys have. That's the respect that

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Patrick Mahomes will put on those guys
and made sure even though he's about to

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play the Ravens just played Josh Allen
and the Bills. Not to forget about

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Joe, and how could you if
you're Patrick Mahomes, because there is a

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bit of a nemesis match up there. People talking about Josh Allen and Mahomes

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being the best QB rivalry in the
NFL. Maybe it is because they both

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win and Patrick Mahomes has the one
more recent win against Joe Burrow, so

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maybe you got to win more to
call it a rivalry. But I think

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you can call it a rivalry between
Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrow. Yeah,

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it's the best rival I don't even
think it's I don't even think it's close.

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Now, Bill's Chiefs. They're always
fun games, they're always entertaining.

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But every single game the Bengals and
Chiefs have played are one possession, They

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go down to the wire. They
could have gone either way. And sign

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me up for that, plus all
the trash talk around it. I just

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I think that that's to me,
the best rivalry. I think that'll continue.

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There's a reason Jamar Chase said anyone
but the Chiefs, I don't feel

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that way. Maybe we'll talk about
that later in the week. At some

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point but that's if you think I'm
rooting for the Ravens and another thing coming

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Jacob's go yeah, I'll tell you
that much right now. I love Lamar,

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but everyone else. Just to wrap
up here, I just a couple

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other playoff thoughts tight ends. You
mentioned that. I think tight ends for

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each of these playoff teams were among
the leaders and receiving yards. George Shittle,

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Travis Kelce, Sam Laporta making big
plays, Isaiah Likely making big plays,

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Cad Oughten making those two hurt,
those two hurt. Dalton Kinkaid the

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leading receiver for the best tight ends
making plays for all these offenses, We're

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going to be talking about tight ends
a lot. Not a great offseason to

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acquire tight ends, but you can
do it. If the Bengals choose to

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prioritize it, We'll see what direction
they want to go there. Uh and

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Lamar Jackson is incredibly good at football, like put the team on his back.

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One hundred rushing yards, two rushing
touchdowns to go with the passing productivity

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for that team. UH certainly can't
underestimate Lamar Jackson will be a thorn in

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the side of this team. Should
be a fun rivalry with Jackson and Burrow,

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assuming they get to play each other
on a regular basis at any point

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when both players are healthy. But
that's another one. Just looking around and

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strong quarterbacks in the AFC, we
kind of thought maybe that that wasn't going

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to be the case late in the
regular season, the AFC looking very muddled,

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And here we are at the end
of things, and it's the best

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quarterbacks in the AFC, and and
in the NFC it's Rock Purty and and

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Goff. Keep Joe healthy. Yeah, if so, you always have a

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shot. You always have a shot, even if the defense leaves something to

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be designed, you always have a
shot. Yep, that's gonna do it.

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For this episode of the Lockdown Bengals
podcast, it's off season time,

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