1 00:00:19,679 --> 00:00:24,719 Hey, everybody, We're here, alive and thrive in Toronto, the most 2 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:29,839 culturally diverse city in the world, home of Blue Jay's Raptors. Make Believe. 3 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:35,439 Send Canadian psychic Robert Lindsay Milne. That's me, Welcome to My Side 4 00:00:35,759 --> 00:00:41,840 of the Crystal Ball. My guest tonight is Jim Harrold. So who's Jim 5 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,920 Harrold? You say, um, well, that's what I said. Just 6 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:51,119 a little while ago, I first met Jim. My publicist arranged for me 7 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:55,359 to be on his podcast year ago September. It was one of the first 8 00:00:55,399 --> 00:01:00,280 ones I appeared on when when I was coming out of my semi retirement. 9 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:15,400 I was struck with his manners, his politeness, the respect that he showed, 10 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:22,400 the obvious intelligence, and the low key way he went about his work 11 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:30,760 and his interviews. It was a respectful interview and I was really impressed with 12 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:37,439 the professionalism of it, in fact, quite surprised for a podcast. A 13 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,799 little while later, like just a few weeks ago, I was booked on 14 00:01:41,879 --> 00:01:47,560 his show again and once again I had the same feelings, and at the 15 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,920 end of the show, I asked him would he come on my Side of 16 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:56,480 the Crystal Ball? And he agreed, I had no idea his background, 17 00:01:57,079 --> 00:02:01,159 and did you know that since two thousand and five up till now. Well, 18 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:07,159 first of all, Jim is a pioneer in his field a paranormal podcasts, 19 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,759 and since two thousand and five and up until now, his shows, 20 00:02:09,879 --> 00:02:17,599 his videos, his work have been downloaded sixty million times, I know sixty 21 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:22,439 millions. So we're going to be talking to Jim throughout the whole show, 22 00:02:22,479 --> 00:02:27,439 and Jim, of course is in the experts chair tonight. Before we do, 23 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:31,479 though, have a couple of requests. If you're watching us on YouTube, 24 00:02:31,719 --> 00:02:37,960 please like, comment and subscribe. 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And now, without 32 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:35,719 further ado, let's start off with ww r S in our last episode. 33 00:03:36,439 --> 00:03:42,120 I in WWRS I was talking about how can you do a reading for somebody 34 00:03:42,159 --> 00:03:46,800 when you're in Toronto and they're they're in Australia. And what I did is 35 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:53,879 I started off with sharing how I learned how to do those things. Before 36 00:03:53,919 --> 00:03:58,919 I knew what those things were, what they would be called. I just 37 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,080 simply learned how to do those things. And the way that I learned how 38 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:08,360 to do it was I just did it. So I came up with an 39 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,800 idea, can I do a reading? If I can do a reading for 40 00:04:10,879 --> 00:04:15,400 somebody in front of me? Could I do a reading for somebody on the 41 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:19,199 telephone? And I explained how all that happened. And then I thought, 42 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:24,120 okay, if I can do a reading on the telephone, could I do 43 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:28,639 a reading on the telephone on the radio for someone? And again the only 44 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:32,480 way to find out was to go on the radio, be on the telephone 45 00:04:32,959 --> 00:04:38,519 and do a psychic reading. And that's how it happened. So I still 46 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:44,720 didn't figure out what it was what I was doing. There were no words 47 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,959 in those days that would describe what I was doing, and most people were 48 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:56,000 astonished by being able to do a psychic reading on How could you do that? 49 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:02,160 Because everyone and me too in those days, was thinking outwardly, So 50 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:12,160 of course somebody in Australia, you can't tune into them just by looking out. 51 00:05:13,199 --> 00:05:17,519 What you have to do is look inward. Now I didn't realize. 52 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:23,759 I didn't. I didn't think about going inward. I just did what I 53 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:30,639 did naturally. I tuned inward, look look, looked inward and tuned it 54 00:05:30,639 --> 00:05:34,480 there now. And I didn't even realize that I was doing that. So 55 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:40,839 I did lots of readings on the telephone, got practiced, and then I 56 00:05:40,879 --> 00:05:46,920 did psychic rietings after that on the telephone on the radio, and continue doing 57 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:53,199 it for a long time. And I stretched that talent. So now we 58 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:59,519 come back to here we are. Hotti described that I tune into, well 59 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,680 what do I tune into? I tune into myself. But you see, 60 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:09,160 I like everything on the planet. I suppose everything in the universe, but 61 00:06:09,879 --> 00:06:15,399 everything on this planet. We're all connected. We're connected with all the living 62 00:06:15,399 --> 00:06:20,160 beings on the planet. We're all intertwined. We're connected with all the parts 63 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:26,199 of the planet. And in order for us to get to a part of 64 00:06:26,199 --> 00:06:34,800 the planet, we can just simply look inward rather than growing there physically outward. 65 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:46,399 When two people are in tune connected, you don't have to be in 66 00:06:46,439 --> 00:06:53,160 front of them. You'll use the same technique of doing a reading or connecting 67 00:06:53,199 --> 00:07:00,319 in front of somebody as you'll do looking inward, connecting and being psychic that 68 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:06,600 way, because they're both the same. I remember my friend George, remember 69 00:07:06,639 --> 00:07:13,600 my mentor from forty plus years ago. In one of his lectures he started 70 00:07:13,639 --> 00:07:19,240 off with in psychic things, there is no distance because there isn't because you're 71 00:07:19,279 --> 00:07:25,279 not outward, you're inward. So that does you know? There was hard 72 00:07:25,319 --> 00:07:30,399 to understand. Back in those days. We still had to dial the telephone. 73 00:07:30,439 --> 00:07:34,360 It was still attached to the wall. Is very different than today. 74 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:43,879 So another way to say, how can you do reading for somebody when they're 75 00:07:43,879 --> 00:07:50,079 not in front of you? In psychic things there is no distance. On 76 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:57,399 the Internet, there is no distance, So we can talk to somebody in 77 00:07:57,639 --> 00:08:09,759 Australia from Toronto, or we can talk to somebody across the street online unlike 78 00:08:09,839 --> 00:08:13,680 zoom video, we can talk to them and it takes the same amount of 79 00:08:13,759 --> 00:08:20,000 time, the same amount of effort to see someone in Australia as it does 80 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:28,519 in Toronto, and it just once again proves that we are all connected and 81 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:35,200 we are all one. And when we pray, we go inward. When 82 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,879 we think, when we go inward, when we feel, we go inward. 83 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:48,159 It all comes from within. And when things come through us, they 84 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:52,960 first come from within. So how can you do usychic reading for somebody in 85 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:58,480 Australia, if you're in Toronto, or Montreal or New Yorker anywhere. Simply 86 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:05,960 go inward, tune into those feelings that you would feel if they were in 87 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:11,200 front of you. It really is that simple. And that's what Robert has 88 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:22,720 to say today. It's two thousand and five. Let imagine, let's the 89 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:28,159 autumn of two thousand and five, seventeen years ago, and all of a 90 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:35,279 sudden you decide you're going to do a podcast, And seventeen years later, 91 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:48,360 your podcast, The Paranormal Podcast and Jim Harold's Campfire has been downloaded sixty million 92 00:09:48,519 --> 00:09:54,519 times. Your shows are in the top one percent of the most successful, 93 00:09:54,600 --> 00:10:01,320 the most watched, and the most viewed. A man, if I would 94 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:07,440 have done a reading for you in September of two thousand and five, and 95 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,000 I would have said those things to you, what would you have said, 96 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:16,159 I say, WHOA, are you sure you gonna you need to polish the 97 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:22,919 crystal ball a little bit that Now the thing is is that now I one 98 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:28,159 minor corrections, more listened to because my shows are primarily I understand, I 99 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:33,720 understand you're listened to, okay, but but I do some things on YouTube 100 00:10:33,799 --> 00:10:37,720 but just it's more of a kind of dabbling than it's been anything serious. 101 00:10:37,759 --> 00:10:43,840 But but I would have been shocked to know that I've had the opportunity now 102 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:48,919 for ten years in June will be ten years I've been able to do this 103 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,559 full time is my profession. That would have blown me away. And then 104 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:56,600 in fact the numbers you mentioned, um yeah, I would have been, 105 00:10:56,879 --> 00:11:01,320 as our British friends say, I would have been gobsmacked to think, yeah, 106 00:11:01,519 --> 00:11:05,720 wow, So where did you come up with this idea? Because you 107 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:11,000 know, I'm thinking back to two thousand and five and I'm thinking of the 108 00:11:11,039 --> 00:11:16,559 computer that I had had like eight gigabytes hard drive. You know, everyone's 109 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,200 going, whoa, you know, so, um, how did that happen? 110 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,559 Well? I had worked, see, I'd gone to school for broadcasting, 111 00:11:24,919 --> 00:11:30,159 okay, and it was going to be my primary focus was actually television 112 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:35,039 and back in the day, really before the Internet took hold, I started 113 00:11:35,039 --> 00:11:39,360 to go out into the work world in the early nineties. They always said, 114 00:11:39,399 --> 00:11:41,919 hey, get call letters on your resume. If you want to work 115 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:48,919 in radio or television, work at any station. You can get into sweeping 116 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,840 the floor whatever. Right, So I ended up working at a radio station, 117 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:58,200 and as life often happens to you, I started looking around and I 118 00:11:58,279 --> 00:12:03,480 was in a sales assistant. So I so this wasn't like in WABC AM 119 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,480 in downtown New York. Manhattan was like Cleveland. Cleveland, which is actually 120 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:13,759 a major is considered a major radio market, but it's not New York. 121 00:12:13,759 --> 00:12:18,720 It's not Louis, Los Angeles. And uh but I was at a you 122 00:12:18,759 --> 00:12:20,919 know, a classical music station. So it wasn't a top rated station, 123 00:12:22,399 --> 00:12:26,000 but very accomplished in its field though I think maybe the first station ever on 124 00:12:26,039 --> 00:12:31,600 the internet, strangely enough. But anyhow, I started looking around and it's 125 00:12:31,639 --> 00:12:35,039 like, well, the salespeople make this much, and the the on air 126 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,840 people make this much, and yeah, I get to write commercials and do 127 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,000 fun stuff. Maybe I'll just try the sales thing out for a while. 128 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:46,799 Well, uh, you know, I worked there for a while as a 129 00:12:46,879 --> 00:12:50,720 salesperson was pretty successful, went to other stations, did not like it, 130 00:12:50,879 --> 00:12:54,039 but I was kind of into it. You know when you get yeah yeah, 131 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:58,360 you're like, I gotta do this because by that time I picked up 132 00:12:58,399 --> 00:13:01,440 a fiance, say who became a wife. We had two kids. So 133 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,679 in the time frame your talk about two thousand and five, I am a 134 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:11,080 salesperson for a radio station. Actually he had gone back to that station as 135 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:15,480 a salesperson for a second time. I had two kids, I had a 136 00:13:15,519 --> 00:13:20,120 mortgage, married, you know, a younger father, and it's like I 137 00:13:20,159 --> 00:13:26,000 couldn't just go off to Paduca and chase my dream of broadcasting. I was 138 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,879 in my thirties at that point, so it's like this is never going to 139 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:33,080 happen for me. And then I heard about this thing called podcasting. I 140 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:37,879 heard a guy who used to be on MTV, Adam Curry, he started 141 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:43,080 podcasting, and Leo Laporte, who was a great tech journalist. And because 142 00:13:43,159 --> 00:13:46,799 I always love talk radio, I started listening to them online and I listened 143 00:13:46,799 --> 00:13:48,919 to him. It's like, oh my gosh, these guys are trained, 144 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,960 long time broadcasters. I could never do what they do. But then I 145 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:58,840 heard there were people doing these shows themselves, these podcasts, and I said, 146 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,559 well, I can't do what those guys are doing, but I can 147 00:14:01,639 --> 00:14:05,480 do what these other people are doing. And to your point about the old 148 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:09,279 computer, I had, like a crummy computer. I built myself a Windows 149 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:13,679 computer. It had, you know, I think I had a thirty dollar 150 00:14:13,759 --> 00:14:18,960 headset, which at that point with my economics was a stretch for me. 151 00:14:18,919 --> 00:14:24,639 And I just started doing it for fun. And the way I came up 152 00:14:24,639 --> 00:14:28,320 on the idea for the show was, you know, as a kid, 153 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:33,000 I grew up with in search of with Leonard Nimoy, and I always of 154 00:14:33,039 --> 00:14:37,080 course listened to Coast to Coast am with a great late art bell and so 155 00:14:37,159 --> 00:14:41,279 forth, and I didn't see hardly anything out there in terms of I mean, 156 00:14:41,639 --> 00:14:46,399 podcasts were brand new. They really kind of started in two thousand four. 157 00:14:46,559 --> 00:14:48,919 I would say this was two thousand and five. Nobody knew what they 158 00:14:48,919 --> 00:14:54,519 were. And I said, you know, I'll do this and it'll just 159 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:58,600 be for fun. You know, I'll do a couple shows, you know, 160 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,159 a month, and and I'll just do this for fun. If I 161 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:05,639 can't be a professional broadcast or I can do this for my own enjoyment. 162 00:15:05,759 --> 00:15:11,639 Plus I picked the paranormal because I couldn't really add anything in politics. You 163 00:15:11,679 --> 00:15:13,360 can't do music, sports, I mean, what am I going to add? 164 00:15:13,399 --> 00:15:16,159 What do I know about sports? But when it comes to the paranormal, 165 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:22,000 in some ways, I believe none of us are really truly experts. 166 00:15:22,279 --> 00:15:26,080 We're all seekers, We're all trying to find the way. And I was 167 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:30,519 just a guy trying to find his way and talk to some of the great 168 00:15:30,559 --> 00:15:35,279 thinkers. So I've did that show and lo and behold, people start to 169 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:39,480 listen. This was the paranormal podcast, right, that's the original. Yeah, 170 00:15:39,519 --> 00:15:43,519 we can still do to this day. That's the one that yeah, 171 00:15:43,559 --> 00:15:48,759 and and and it's it's it's also the thing is is that it's it's also 172 00:15:48,879 --> 00:15:52,840 a situation where I got to interview great people who knew a lot more about 173 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:58,039 this stuff. Um, and you know, it's it's one of those things. 174 00:16:00,799 --> 00:16:03,559 I was amazed that I was able to get these people. It was 175 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,840 so early. People would say, like, I got Stanton Friedman, who 176 00:16:07,879 --> 00:16:11,320 was really the guy who broke open the Roswell case, of the Roswell UFO 177 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:15,679 case. I got people like Lloyd Auerbach who was a great parapsychologist, and 178 00:16:15,799 --> 00:16:18,919 I was getting these great guests, and they had no idea what a podcast 179 00:16:19,039 --> 00:16:23,039 was. It's like a pod. What is this? Yeah? Sure? 180 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:29,919 And my professional situation changed. I got a managerial job, so I had 181 00:16:30,039 --> 00:16:32,960 less time to dedicate, but I still kept a hand in it. And 182 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:34,480 then two thousand and eight, I had gotten a job. I thought, 183 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:38,159 this is the job. This is going to be the dream job that's gonna 184 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:45,320 catapult me to whatever management or whatever at a higher level. And I have 185 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,879 been there for three or four months, and I thought, you know, 186 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,200 I don't know that this is going to be the job that catapults me. 187 00:16:52,279 --> 00:16:55,720 This was two thousand and eight, and I I'll never forget. I was 188 00:16:55,759 --> 00:17:00,320 sitting at my daughter's tea ball game listening to another podcast, which I don't 189 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,559 know if that makes me a bad dad or a good dad, but anyway, 190 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,599 and I heard somebody had a sponsor, and I thought to myself, 191 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:12,119 you know, I really ought to try this because people keep asking I'd been 192 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,319 a while since I published a show, and I said, you know, 193 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,599 I really ought to get serious about this. So I said, tell my 194 00:17:18,599 --> 00:17:21,519 wife. For six months, I'm going to put out a show every single 195 00:17:21,559 --> 00:17:26,240 week and we'll see what happens. At the end of that six months, 196 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:30,240 I got my first sponsor, and then more and more people started tuning in. 197 00:17:30,279 --> 00:17:33,799 Then I started Jim Harold's Campfire, which is my most successful podcast. 198 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,000 Started that in two thousand and nine. That's where people call in with their 199 00:17:37,079 --> 00:17:41,839 experiences, and honestly, I think that's where I provide the most value is 200 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:48,559 through that show. And it grew and it grew, and in twenty twelve, 201 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:49,759 I told my wife, I said, I think I want to quit 202 00:17:49,799 --> 00:17:53,720 my full time job and give this a go full time, and bless her, 203 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,400 she gave me the green light, and I did it, and neither 204 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:02,839 of us have ever regretted the shows grow. I mean, I'm not to 205 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,200 use a name that everybody's familiar with these days. I'm not Joe Rogan. 206 00:18:06,279 --> 00:18:10,359 I'm not to that level. I'm not independently wealthy. But I make a 207 00:18:10,559 --> 00:18:15,440 living for my family, and I hope that I provide some good information, 208 00:18:15,079 --> 00:18:19,680 some good entertainment, some good thought provoking material for people, because I think 209 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:23,920 so many of us struggle with these questions. You know, what's the afterlife 210 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:29,279 about? What is this UFO thing all about? What are ghosts? I 211 00:18:29,319 --> 00:18:32,720 don't know that I've ever come up any with our heart and fast answers, 212 00:18:33,279 --> 00:18:37,440 but I think even having the conversation is a good thing, and most importantly 213 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:44,559 having a place where people to share their experiences pretty much unfiltered. I don't 214 00:18:44,599 --> 00:18:48,799 say make it spooky or make it scary. I say tell me your story 215 00:18:48,039 --> 00:18:52,440 and that's it. And I think that's really important to be authentic to people's 216 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:56,240 experiences and not try to gin them up or those kind of things. Just 217 00:18:56,279 --> 00:19:02,559 tell me what happened to you, and they do. And that, which 218 00:19:02,599 --> 00:19:06,880 I thought was going to be a nice little side podcast, has really been 219 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,200 the one that's my most popular. I think resonates with people the most. 220 00:19:10,279 --> 00:19:15,880 Jim Hammon Campfire The Campfire. Now you've also written um five books or or 221 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:22,000 now or six, well I'm working on six. I gotta get six out. 222 00:19:22,039 --> 00:19:26,200 But they've been compilations of what I think are some of the best, 223 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,559 most outstanding campfire stories. And what we do is we basically take the transcriptions 224 00:19:30,559 --> 00:19:33,839 of those and we clean them up and write them in story for them, 225 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,440 but we don't embellish them and we don't add things. And that's what we've 226 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,519 done with five of those books. Each book has about seventy stories in it 227 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:48,640 does does any stories just come to mind? If I one of the what 228 00:19:49,039 --> 00:19:55,480 is one of the more fascinating stories are that you've heard? I think the 229 00:19:55,559 --> 00:19:59,400 most fascinating stories a little bit lengthy, but I think it's worth it. 230 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,480 From a listener by the name of Ti up in Michigan. And she's still 231 00:20:03,519 --> 00:20:08,839 a listener. And actually you could see this on YouTube prior to the pandemic. 232 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,240 I felt so strongly about her story. As I'm in Ohio, I 233 00:20:12,319 --> 00:20:17,400 traveled up to Michigan with a videographer and we did a segment with her, 234 00:20:17,799 --> 00:20:21,400 and her story has never changed. I think she probably told this story, 235 00:20:21,559 --> 00:20:23,559 oh gosh, had to be at least ten years ago, if not longer. 236 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:30,200 And her story was is that her and her friend she was up She's 237 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:34,960 originally from Michigan, but she was visiting Wisconsin. She went with a friend. 238 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,079 They went to see a band. I know it was kind of in 239 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:42,799 a very kind of rural area, so they went off. They watched this 240 00:20:42,799 --> 00:20:45,839 band. They closed the place, and they were musicians as well, so 241 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,799 they were talking with the band about gigs in different things. Because I guess 242 00:20:49,799 --> 00:20:56,400 she came up to this area every summer and they got ready to leave, 243 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:02,160 and it was her and her friend Bob, and they were driving, and 244 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,839 they had about an hour ago till they got back to the They must have 245 00:21:04,839 --> 00:21:11,559 been staying at a campground or something. So anyway, she gets a few 246 00:21:11,599 --> 00:21:14,039 minutes down the road and she says, you know, I've really got to 247 00:21:14,039 --> 00:21:17,720 go to the restroom. And Bob says, well, you know, it's 248 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:19,880 two thirty eight, three o'clock in the morning. There's not gonna be anything 249 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,720 open. There's always the bushes, right and and she said, no, 250 00:21:23,799 --> 00:21:27,759 that's how okay, just drive fast. So they go down the road a 251 00:21:27,759 --> 00:21:33,519 little bit and they see this bar, this roadhouse. They had a big 252 00:21:33,519 --> 00:21:37,920 sign said the Roadhouse Saloon. But the weird thing was, this is after 253 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:41,599 three o'clock in the morning. You know, bars are supposed to be closed 254 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:45,759 then, but it was wide open. And the car there were cars in 255 00:21:45,839 --> 00:21:51,559 the parking lot neon signs, you tell the place was up. And they 256 00:21:51,559 --> 00:21:52,839 say, hey, let's not look a gift horse in the mouth. Let's 257 00:21:52,839 --> 00:21:57,519 go in there. So she went in and she was talking to her friend 258 00:21:57,599 --> 00:22:00,839 Bob as they were going in. Glad I'm here, Bob, Bob said, 259 00:22:00,839 --> 00:22:03,559 because he's an artist and said, they have a mural. I've heard 260 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:10,519 like an old West mural where they have cowboys and this saloon scene and I've 261 00:22:10,519 --> 00:22:14,200 heard a lot about but I've never seen it. So anyway, they go 262 00:22:14,279 --> 00:22:18,599 in, uh, Ti goes to the restroom, comes back. Bob has 263 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:25,480 gotten them a couple of beers, and they're they're talking and everybody's looking at 264 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,759 them kind of strangely, kind of like with a blank expression, kind of 265 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:32,720 almost smiling, kind of like this. I thought, that's very odd. 266 00:22:33,759 --> 00:22:41,559 So then they they haven't there's an old Woodetzer jukebox, a bubbler jukebox with 267 00:22:41,799 --> 00:22:48,920 vinyl on it, you know them. Yeah, And a gentleman comes up 268 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:53,599 to Ti and he smiles and she said all of his teeth were rotten. 269 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,880 And he asked her to dance, and Ti walked with a cane and she 270 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:02,079 showed him a cane and said, I you know, I don't dance a 271 00:23:02,079 --> 00:23:07,039 lot, and she said she was thankful she had that came to to beg 272 00:23:07,079 --> 00:23:11,920 on. Yeah, so so he um, so he went and he played 273 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:17,680 Chubby Checkers. Let's twist again on the on the jukebox and that'll come into 274 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:22,119 play a little bit later and they're looking around and they're looking at this mural 275 00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:30,440 and something peculiar. They noticed that everybody in the mural looks like a real 276 00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:34,880 person. In the bar, there's kind of a woman who looks like a 277 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,960 dance hall girl to use an expression, olden expression. And there's a woman 278 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,720 right there who looks just like there's a couple of guys at a table playing 279 00:23:44,759 --> 00:23:47,559 cards in the mural, and there's a couple of guys sitting at the table 280 00:23:48,279 --> 00:23:51,480 who looked just like these guys. And they thought, well, you know 281 00:23:51,519 --> 00:23:56,000 what, the artist probably was a regular here. These are probably regulars. 282 00:23:56,039 --> 00:24:02,799 This is an homage to them. So anyway, there's these swinging doors in 283 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,279 the picture, like from the old Western movies if you remember those were the 284 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,799 gunslinger walks in and says, I want to see the sheriff for whoever he 285 00:24:10,839 --> 00:24:15,440 wants to see and shoot. And they were talking about and the place just 286 00:24:15,519 --> 00:24:22,480 had a weird vibe again, the people kind of blankly staring looking at them 287 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,720 but not talking, not engaging, just kind of weird. And they noticed 288 00:24:26,759 --> 00:24:30,200 something when they're looking at the mural, at those doors, they noticed like 289 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:36,720 a couple of misty columns. But they didn't notice that when they came in, 290 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,400 and they go back to talking a little bit more and they look back 291 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:45,119 up and the columns are there that weren't there before, but now they're more 292 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:52,839 defined. One is significantly taller than the other. I think that's weird. 293 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,279 Did you see that when he came in? No, I didn't see that. 294 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,680 And then they look back up and it's developing like a pole Roy picture 295 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:06,119 almost if you remember those a man and a woman and the man is significantly 296 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:12,039 taller than the woman. They notice the woman has curly hair. TI has 297 00:25:12,079 --> 00:25:19,839 curly hair. Then I know the woman has boots on and TI has boots 298 00:25:19,839 --> 00:25:23,039 on, and then they know, get shiver down right. I don't know 299 00:25:23,079 --> 00:25:29,200 why. Then the woman. Then they notice the woman has a cane and 300 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,279 TI has a cane. They realize that they're seeing themselves develop into the picture, 301 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:34,880 and they said, okay, let's get out of here. They get 302 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:40,559 up to go out, and the people start beckoning them back, come back, 303 00:25:40,759 --> 00:25:44,200 come back, and they go, now, that's but that would be 304 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,559 weird. But it gets weirder. So they closed the door. TI says, 305 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,799 there's like darkness and the place is totally closed up. And when they 306 00:25:52,839 --> 00:25:56,240 turn around to go back into the parking lot. They're not cars. There 307 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:02,039 is a car, the car they came in and they get out of there. 308 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,759 Now it gets even stranger. TI, being a much braver soul than 309 00:26:06,839 --> 00:26:10,640 I am, she said, you know, nobody believes me. I'm telling 310 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,519 my friends and family about this. They think I'm you know, imagining things. 311 00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:17,839 I'm gonna go back. So I think she got a friend or a 312 00:26:17,839 --> 00:26:19,920 sister one night, and it was it wasn't granted, it wasn't two or 313 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:26,160 three o'clock in the morning. They went to seven or eight at night and 314 00:26:26,759 --> 00:26:33,319 they went in and she saw a woman there tending bar, and she came 315 00:26:33,319 --> 00:26:40,400 in started talking to her. She said, you know, I was here 316 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,480 the other night. You know, it was the joint was jumping. There 317 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,720 are a lot of people here, said man, there was this really good 318 00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:52,079 looking, strong, strapping young bartender behind the bar. Muscles, you know, 319 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:53,839 looked like they said, I am a farm boy, that kind of 320 00:26:53,839 --> 00:26:59,200 thing. And the girl said, I'm sorry, but the only people that 321 00:26:59,319 --> 00:27:03,480 bartend hear me and my elderly father. And then t I thought, well 322 00:27:03,519 --> 00:27:10,160 that's weird. And then she sees a jukebox. But the only thing that 323 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:15,039 was weird Robert is that it was not a wurlitz Er jukebox with vinyl in 324 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,400 it. It was a modern jukebox with CDs and oh no, Chubby Checker, 325 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:26,920 No, let's twist again. And with that, Ti decided to leave, 326 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:33,599 and she left the mystery the Roadhouse Saloon forever. Now here's the kicker 327 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:41,200 to that. Even this place exists, Yes, and I have had people 328 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,720 send me photos of it, and there is a mural. It's a real 329 00:27:45,759 --> 00:27:52,279 place. So that's that was to me, that's maybe the most memorable campfire 330 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,200 story we've ever had. It really does sound like something out of the Twilight 331 00:27:55,279 --> 00:27:59,200 Zone. Some of the and not all the stories are like that, most 332 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,240 of them, not most of them are. That's simpler. But that was 333 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:10,000 so what is Tia? Is that? But Ti, um, what does 334 00:28:10,039 --> 00:28:14,880 she think that was about? Or what do you think that was about? 335 00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:17,119 Well? I think when we talked, I mean, the only thing we 336 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,039 could come was like some kind of portal, you know, to another reality 337 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,119 or something. Had she stayed there, could she have been stuck with those 338 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,440 people? I think that's some speculation she had. I don't know. That 339 00:28:27,519 --> 00:28:34,359 was one of my thoughts when I do think and doing the campfire show. 340 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,319 And at this point it's thousands of stories because we've done I think I just 341 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:45,880 put out um trying to remember the exact number, the five hundred and forty 342 00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:52,599 third episode last week. So every show has multiple stories. So I've I've 343 00:28:52,640 --> 00:29:00,920 literally heard thousands of stories. But kicking this around all this time, hearing 344 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,799 all these stories, I believe reality is a lot stranger than we realize sometimes, 345 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:11,799 and that you know, it's it's like in the old days, people 346 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,440 used to believe in ether or they may may have believed in things that didn't 347 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,960 particularly make sense, but they didn't pick up on things that did make sense. 348 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,640 For example, DNA has always existed, but people back in the day 349 00:29:23,759 --> 00:29:29,599 didn't know it existed. So I do believe in a spiritual world. I 350 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,720 believe that is a real thing. But I also think that we don't quite 351 00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:38,160 have the reality of a reality down, if you know what I'm saying. 352 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:45,200 I think, so, yeah, reality is strange, and what's really going 353 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:52,160 on in the universe, I think is stranger than we realize. Do you 354 00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:59,480 believe in other type of worldly being? Sore? So we're these people in 355 00:29:59,519 --> 00:30:04,039 that bo are were they worldly beings that were there at three o'clock in the 356 00:30:04,119 --> 00:30:08,880 morning were worldly beings meaning being different than say, human, but look like 357 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:18,480 them or look like us'. I've recently interviewed someone who does deals with fairies 358 00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:23,359 and things like that, and I was just wondering, are they worldly? 359 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,400 You know, worldly beings aren't human, they're a different race, but they 360 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,920 could look like us. I'd never thought about that. I thought more like 361 00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:37,319 it was an alternate reality or something that there had been. You know, 362 00:30:37,359 --> 00:30:41,440 I had a story one time of somebody who was a little kid, and 363 00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:47,440 this is a very simple short story, but they were across the street from 364 00:30:47,519 --> 00:30:49,799 m and McDonald's. This is probably twenty years ago, when she was a 365 00:30:49,799 --> 00:30:55,799 little kid, and she walks, uh, she's you know, she's running 366 00:30:55,839 --> 00:30:59,200 to the McDonald's because she's a little kid and she wants a milkshake, and 367 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,240 all of a sudden, she runs into this very kind of taciturn looking man 368 00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:07,720 with a top hat that looked like he was out of time, and he 369 00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:10,599 just looked at her like someone you would see in a movie, kind of 370 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,839 like the way I pictured it. If you remember that old actor John Carradine, 371 00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:19,279 you know, have a top hat and looked just very angry when she 372 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,559 ran into him and looked at him, and then she ran by and looked 373 00:31:23,599 --> 00:31:29,119 back and he was gone. So sometimes I wonder if we like cross with 374 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,839 these other realities. Maybe they're human, but if they're they're from another time 375 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:37,480 or place. And another person call in who has been a listener to the 376 00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:41,759 show for years, who said that basically she was walking one day and she 377 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:48,039 walked into another reality that was of a past time, in the same neighborhood 378 00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:55,000 and everything, and then walked just as easily back into this reality. So 379 00:31:55,079 --> 00:32:00,000 sometimes I think that weird things happen where they're portals and things to other times 380 00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:04,359 or maybe alternate universes. You know, a lot of scientists believe that the 381 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,880 multiverse is a real thing, so those are possibilities. But I hate to 382 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:13,359 say this, Robert, I have done thousands of shows. I mean, 383 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,160 if you count all the different shows I do, it's been over two thousand 384 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:22,839 episodes. Probably closer to twenty six hundred episodes. I don't know, and 385 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:29,880 it's it's annoying, but I think sometimes you have to live with the mystery 386 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:38,200 of it. It's it's a tough thing. I don't think anybody knows, 387 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:47,160 even those that do it. I don't think they really know what they're doing. 388 00:32:47,759 --> 00:32:54,880 They're just as you've done all these podcasts. You've received all this information, 389 00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:01,240 all these experiences, and when you put it all together, you just 390 00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:07,680 don't know. Well, one day our essence or not. One day our 391 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:13,960 essence will will leave this body and then we'll go to another level, I 392 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:19,559 think. And when we do, then we'll see and know these things, 393 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:27,680 or we may not go anywhere, because nobody really knows exactly what's going to 394 00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:34,000 happen when we have shuffled off our multiple mortal coil. Right. It's and 395 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,960 I realized that a long long time ago, and you know, I was 396 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:42,240 coming to terms with what God was, and then I realized one day that, 397 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,839 hey, wait a minute, nobody's really come back as themselves. So 398 00:33:47,319 --> 00:33:52,559 we don't know what happens after we die. We have ideas and we have 399 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:58,160 what we want and want it to be, but we really don't know. 400 00:33:59,119 --> 00:34:01,559 And it was at that point that I said, then my guess is just 401 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:06,119 as good as about anybody else's. So I'm just going to follow what I 402 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,400 believe rights that makes sense to me, and I do believe in an afterlife. 403 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,840 I mean, if you look at flipping on my interview or hat. 404 00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:22,599 My favorite subjects is that near death experiences and the hardcore skeptics who think tonnely 405 00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:28,400 materialistically that our brain is physical one hundred and our mind is physical, and 406 00:34:28,519 --> 00:34:31,039 that when you die, you're dead and you just have a big dirt nap. 407 00:34:32,559 --> 00:34:36,840 Where I think that falls apart, just on a common sense level, 408 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,320 for example, is the near death experience. Now, people who have the 409 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:44,159 near death experiences, many of them report things like the tunnel of light, 410 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,639 the life review, so forth and so on, which you know, I 411 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,599 don't want to discount. But here's the thing that gets me that says there 412 00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:55,760 really is something to this, not just the hallucinations of a dying brain and 413 00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:05,320 dopamine and different chemicals being released. When somebody flatlines and they quote die and 414 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,039 then they come back and then they say, well, there was a medical 415 00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:13,639 team of three people working on me, and they were doing this, and 416 00:35:13,679 --> 00:35:16,599 they were doing this, and they were doing this. But all the things 417 00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:23,920 that experience or reports seeing happened while they were dead or unconscious. How do 418 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:30,880 they see that? How do they know that? And those are the kind 419 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:35,559 of things that I think, you know, just from a common sense point 420 00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:39,039 of view, it's not even faith to me, says yes, there is 421 00:35:39,079 --> 00:35:44,960 an afterlife. Um, what it is, I don't know. I mean 422 00:35:45,039 --> 00:35:49,039 kind of my hope is. What I hope for is the the great reunion, 423 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,599 you know, and have a family picnic with everybody wouldn't before. Yeah, 424 00:35:52,639 --> 00:35:57,960 that'd be a beautiful thing. But I don't know if that's that's what 425 00:35:58,119 --> 00:36:01,920 happens. Another thing that interests me. I don't know if I quote believe 426 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,719 in it, but it does intrigue me as a reincarnation. If you look 427 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,360 at the work of people done by the late even Ian Stevenson or Jim B. 428 00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:15,960 Tucker from the University of Virginia, some very very compelling cases about past 429 00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:22,320 life experiences and so forth. So that's that's certainly food for thought. So 430 00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:30,320 there's a lot out there, and I'm more convinced than ever that the other 431 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,840 realms exist. I'm less certain of what they are if I go kind of 432 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:43,199 put it in a nutshell. There's a fellow that he's a scientist. He 433 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,320 is a media guy now but but but his PhD and he got his PhD 434 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,599 and studying bats. But I forget his first name is his last name is 435 00:36:52,840 --> 00:37:00,519 Rifkin. And he appears on a lot of the big radio stations and he 436 00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:06,320 does these little capsule comments. And I was listening to him the other day 437 00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:14,239 and he was talking about an experiment that accidentally happened where somebody had had died, 438 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,480 but they had an eg they were attached to it. It was just 439 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:23,119 a coincidence. And after this being this person, this human had died, 440 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:29,159 their body was no longer working their heart and they had gone into the decay. 441 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:39,599 Their brain continued to process information even though the physical body was dead. 442 00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:45,639 It was the body wasn't getting any oxygen or any feet, but the brain 443 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:59,199 continued to process and almost like the brain was programmed to process what had been 444 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:05,199 experienced through its entire life, even though the physical body was dead. And 445 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,239 then they started doing more experiments. Now there's no conclusive results, but it 446 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:15,760 appears that many times when someone has died, their brain continues to function even 447 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:22,360 though they're they're they're not breathing and the physical body actually used to canect, 448 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:29,119 but the brain continues to send or or or or it appears like in the 449 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,639 part of the brain where it's doing a thinking and an assessment. Right. 450 00:38:34,039 --> 00:38:37,719 Well, it's interesting to me is the idea that your your brain, there's 451 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,840 the brain in the mind. And the closest analogy that I can use as 452 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:45,599 your computer. Okay, I have a computer here that has its own capabilities. 453 00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:51,079 If it's disconnected from the internet. However, you connect it to the 454 00:38:51,159 --> 00:38:55,800 internet. Um, it really expands and can do so much more. And 455 00:38:57,079 --> 00:39:02,280 I kind of wonder And this is not an original thought. I think Simonson 456 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:07,400 has talked about this. But the idea that you're and many other people that 457 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:15,039 you your brain and your universal mind or some people call it the what was 458 00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:21,199 it the spiritual Internet or something I think called it. But but the idea 459 00:39:21,199 --> 00:39:24,079 of a two working concert and that makes a lot of sense to me. 460 00:39:24,119 --> 00:39:30,599 And maybe what happens is to your point, maybe in that scenario, is 461 00:39:30,639 --> 00:39:37,840 it possible that the contents of your brain are being uploaded to the metaphysical cloud? 462 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,039 Is it worth you know? Well that that is what the implication was. 463 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:45,559 Yeah, that's what that That is what he was saying. There just 464 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:50,360 wasn't enough scientific proof for him to say this is exactly what happened, But 465 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:57,480 he talked about that and and it was a way of measuring and um. 466 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,719 Then one of the other in interviewers or the host of the show said, 467 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:09,519 what effect would that have if we were keeping somebody physically alive just to harvest 468 00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:16,039 their their organs? Would that interfere at the end life process? And then 469 00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:22,639 that brought in all kinds of topics for an early Monday morning and they stopped 470 00:40:22,639 --> 00:40:30,199 it. But but that was just something. So do you believe in everything 471 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:37,679 or do you just acknowledge that everything could exist? Or everything? Probably more 472 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,440 the latter. I mean, the thing is is that. And I used 473 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:44,079 to remember before I started doing this, when I used to listen to somebody 474 00:40:44,199 --> 00:40:46,000 like an art bell or somebody's like, well, how can they believe in 475 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,960 this stuff? And you can't. I don't think. You know. I've 476 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:54,079 had everybody from folks who practice witchcraft, and I'm definitely not a witch, 477 00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:59,800 although that's somebody's right if they want to practice that. Just because I interviewed 478 00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:07,239 somebody about something doesn't mean I necessarily it's my personal philosophy, but my role. 479 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,239 And a lot of people will ask, well, aren't you a paranormal 480 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:15,480 investigator? And I'm like, no, I'm not, and I don't want 481 00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:20,719 to be because I want to have a certain arms length distance from the subjects, 482 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,440 not that I can't be knowledgeable about them and know what the research says 483 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:29,239 and talk, for example, talking to psychics, talking like you. I'm 484 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,000 very interested in what you experience and people like you, but that doesn't mean 485 00:41:32,039 --> 00:41:38,039 I want to be a psychic. My goal is to give a fair hearing 486 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:45,920 to experiencers, definitely first and foremost, and also authors, experts, psychics. 487 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:52,480 Give them a fair hearing and let them explain their theories and let the 488 00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:55,840 audience decide what they think on it. As far as my personal beliefs, 489 00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,679 you know, I can go down the list. I believe the afterlife is 490 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:06,920 real. I believe that there's something phenomena cryptids. I definitely believe in underwater 491 00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:09,760 cryptids, something like Bigfoot. A little bit less, I'm a little more 492 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:15,800 skeptical, but I'm open to hearing other perspectives. Ghosts, Yeah, I 493 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:20,079 think they're real. Do I think there's good? I think there's good, 494 00:42:20,119 --> 00:42:25,000 and I think there's actually some evil out there too. I think there's both 495 00:42:25,039 --> 00:42:29,559 because I've talked to many of my friends more kind of in the New Age 496 00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:31,840 community, and they've got some great things to share. But some people will 497 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,519 say, well, there's no such thing as evil, because it's just a 498 00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:38,599 lower vibration, and I personally disagree with it. I mean, we're seeing 499 00:42:38,639 --> 00:42:45,760 a lot of evil going on with Russia and mister Putin's doing. Yes, 500 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:52,639 so evil is around in the world for sure. Um, so it has 501 00:42:52,679 --> 00:43:00,000 to be because because without evil, good cannot exist. Um, they're high 502 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:04,519 to be what what what is one way positive? There has to be negative 503 00:43:05,039 --> 00:43:07,639 without each other, they don't exist. Yeah, that's that's what I think. 504 00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:12,360 That's why I think. So, um, you know, for example, 505 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,119 my background, I'm having a little bit of fun with some of the 506 00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:16,679 stuff in the background. It's real, by the way, it said no 507 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:22,320 green screen, but h but I was. I thought it was real. 508 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:27,199 I looked at it. But but the point being is I have fun with 509 00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,679 it. But I do take the stuff very seriously, um, because it 510 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:36,719 is serious. It's the nature of our existence. So um, you know, 511 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,199 I think it's important stuff. And I think it's just as important as 512 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:45,159 the stuff that's in the headlines in the newspaper, so to speak. I 513 00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:47,679 think that, and we see with UFOs, I mean now with the US 514 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,360 government coming out and saying, yeah, there might be something to this, 515 00:43:52,119 --> 00:43:57,239 Um, you know, that's even greater implications uh, and and scientists more 516 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,400 and more saying well, yeah, there probably is life fellswhere. Um, 517 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:07,800 big stuff. We're talking about big stuff. Do you have, um guests 518 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:17,119 come from on from the dark side or those that would be worshiping evil things 519 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:22,280 or um, like like a Satanist or you know, like the famous one 520 00:44:22,519 --> 00:44:29,719 was was Um. Yeah, yeah, I don't get into that. That's 521 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,679 just a personal choice. I mean, I do believe in freedom of religion. 522 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,719 Uh, you know, as long as you're not harming other people. 523 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:43,159 But for my shows, I've stayed away from that. Yeah, and you're 524 00:44:43,159 --> 00:44:49,119 just not into that negative side. No, okay. Um, have you 525 00:44:49,199 --> 00:44:57,239 met anyone that on your shows that say or do miracles? As you understand 526 00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:02,280 miracles not so much. I'm very careful about medical things. Um well, 527 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:07,599 well, miracles don't have to be medical. I understand. I understand that. 528 00:45:07,199 --> 00:45:12,400 Um. I've had people who have experienced miracles. Oh, yes, 529 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:19,199 have you. I've experienced things where I thought there was divine intervention. I 530 00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,280 don't know if I would call them miracles. What would be the difference then 531 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,639 between a mile point? It's a good point. One of my favorite I 532 00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:31,039 go, I'll tell you my favorite miracle story. Hin kind of saved my 533 00:45:31,079 --> 00:45:37,280 life. Um, I'm here in Ohio and we have a big amusement park 534 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:43,000 called Cedar Point, which is the probably the foremost roller coaster park in the 535 00:45:43,079 --> 00:45:47,280 United States. Anyway, UM, my wife and I and she was my 536 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:52,159 fiance at the time. This would have been nineteen ninety four. She wasn't 537 00:45:52,159 --> 00:45:53,880 my fiance at the time. She was just my girlfriend at that point. 538 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:59,000 And uh, we decided where we're going to go with some friends. So 539 00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:02,119 we went. There was a say urday night. I dropped her back home 540 00:46:04,039 --> 00:46:07,280 and it was like two o'clock in the morning. She said, and we've 541 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,480 just been dating for three or four months, and she said, you know, 542 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,639 I'm gonna ask. She was living with her folks because she was going 543 00:46:15,679 --> 00:46:17,400 to grad school. She said, I'm gonna ask my dad if you can 544 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,559 sleep out in the couch. I'm like, no, no, I barely 545 00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:22,719 know them. And it's like she's I'm gonna ask, You're gonna fall asleep. 546 00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:29,599 So anyway, I did it and got up in the morning and had 547 00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:31,760 a nice breakfast everything, and I went back to my house I lived in 548 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,960 kind of I was moving. It was in the process of getting a new 549 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,599 place actually close to where she lived, but at that time it was in 550 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:43,239 a little rougher part of town, because that's kind of where I grew up, 551 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,960 was in the rough part of town. And it was this old eight 552 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,239 frame style house. And I pull up and I get out of my car, 553 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,480 and the guy who lived in the back half house, the landlord's sun, 554 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:58,920 said we gotta talk, because he was standing pointing at the house. 555 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,119 I'm like, oh, hey, hey, how's it going. He's like, 556 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:06,719 there's been a drive by. I'm like a drive by shooting. Whose 557 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,079 house got shot up? He said, our house got shot up. And 558 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:16,599 I was not there that night because of a coincidence. And I had one 559 00:47:16,599 --> 00:47:22,480 of those big double door refrigerators that an uncle gave me. Bullet through one 560 00:47:22,559 --> 00:47:27,000 side, bullet through the ketchup out the other side. I had a new 561 00:47:27,039 --> 00:47:30,840 microwave that took a direct hit and was a casualty. It was. And 562 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,079 the cop said, what's this guy who lives up here? What does he 563 00:47:34,159 --> 00:47:37,000 do? And he said, well, he works where a classical music radio 564 00:47:37,039 --> 00:47:44,760 station. And it was an a K forty seven. And it turns out 565 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,719 that about three o'clock in the morning, some people were looking to hit the 566 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:52,639 house next door. The house next door was light blue. Our house was 567 00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:58,599 dark blue. Somebody told him to hit the blue house under the amber colored 568 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,679 street lights. Our house looked blew. Their house looked white. They got 569 00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:06,079 the wrong house. Now, I can't say with certainty if I would have 570 00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:09,599 been killed had I been there, But there's a there's a chance. I 571 00:48:09,679 --> 00:48:14,280 mean, what if I had gone down because all the rounds hit downstairs. 572 00:48:14,559 --> 00:48:16,639 I slept on the second floor. But who knows if someone was lying in 573 00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:22,119 wait looking for my motion. Who knows if I got thirsty went downstairs to 574 00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:24,239 the kitchen to get a glass of water. Who knows. All I know 575 00:48:24,599 --> 00:48:28,920 it was a very unusual circumstance for me not to be home that night, 576 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:34,199 and that was the night that my place was riddled with machine gun fire. 577 00:48:34,599 --> 00:48:37,119 Now again the skeptical say, hey, you were just lucking, just a 578 00:48:37,199 --> 00:48:43,199 coincidence. I think someone somewhere pulled some strings that I wasn't there. And 579 00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:49,199 then there's other possibilities that your your girlfriend I'm soon to be wife at the 580 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:54,000 time, had had was influenced to keep you there too. Yep, Um, 581 00:48:54,679 --> 00:49:00,760 there's many possibilities. But but but, but someone was looking after Jim 582 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:05,599 that night that's for sure been looking like a piece of Swiss cheese. And 583 00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,920 that's right, it wouldn't have been good and and things like that. And 584 00:49:09,079 --> 00:49:14,760 then see, Robert, here's where it gets tough for me. Why was 585 00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:19,519 I in that case spared but somebody in another case is not? You know, 586 00:49:19,679 --> 00:49:22,119 that's where it gets tough. Well, it's really simple, Jim. 587 00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:28,320 Really so it wasn't your time. Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's about 588 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,719 that. That's all that's gonna be. Anything else is going to drive you 589 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:36,159 crazy because I think your number wasn't up. Yeah. I think about those 590 00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,880 people that during you know, awful tragedy of nine to eleven, Well their 591 00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:45,440 number was up right, But but you hear about the people who adnal appointment. 592 00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,719 My kids were running late for school and they were saved, and then 593 00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,599 these weren't. It does seem arbitrary, but you're you're right. I think 594 00:49:52,599 --> 00:49:55,079 you're right. In the end. I think that is the right read on 595 00:49:55,159 --> 00:50:00,400 it. It was well, that is something that I have been doing for 596 00:50:00,519 --> 00:50:06,280 about fifty seven years. So you know, like really basically you can drive 597 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:14,000 yourself crazy trying to figure out what if and really it is it's it wasn't 598 00:50:14,199 --> 00:50:19,400 their time or your time, and you had to you your mission was to 599 00:50:19,519 --> 00:50:23,360 do what you're doing as well as creating your your your family, and that 600 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:28,840 that's the reason. Yeah, It's one of those things where I gotta tell 601 00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,639 you it's it's a mystery, and I think it's a pretty neat job I 602 00:50:32,039 --> 00:50:36,599 get to do. I mean, I love all the tech stuff, I 603 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,239 love the broadcasting part of it. I enjoy the business part of it. 604 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:43,840 But I mean, you later, on top of this, I get to 605 00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,800 talk all day about these mysteries of life. I mean, what a gig. 606 00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:53,199 It's wonderful. I'm very grateful, and that is being a success. 607 00:50:54,199 --> 00:50:59,519 Yeah, yeah, do I you know do am I, Joe Rogan and 608 00:50:59,639 --> 00:51:02,760 I Because I hear all these people in podcasting all this one signed a million 609 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,719 dollars deal. This signed a two million dollars deal. But I just keep 610 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,199 plugging along and doing my thing, and my audience, which really are the 611 00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:15,639 most important people seem to enjoy it. And we grow every year. I 612 00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:20,559 think last year we grew by about twenty percent. I was massive, but 613 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,400 you just you know, I'd kind of like the tortoise, you know, 614 00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:28,239 I'm just blow and steady wins the race, and I really I do, 615 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,239 and it's it's nice to be able to get you know, for many years, 616 00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:35,960 I did things that I didn't enjoy, you know, the sales stuff 617 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,119 I wasn't crazy about. But to be honest with you, that has been 618 00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:43,880 invaluable in the business side of what we do with advertising and different things, 619 00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,320 you know, and that makes the fun part possible. If I hadn't had 620 00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:52,960 that experience, then I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing today. I couldn't. 621 00:51:52,039 --> 00:51:55,840 I wouldn't have been qualified to make it work. And I think sometimes 622 00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,199 you some people call it God, some people call it universe, that we 623 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:07,679 are put in positions to prepare us for things that we don't yet understand. 624 00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:15,400 I agree, and when we're put in those positions, we there's no right 625 00:52:15,559 --> 00:52:23,199 or wrong choice, but the decision we make in that situation determines which way 626 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:27,840 our life goes Right. That makes sense to me. That makes sense to 627 00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:34,239 me because again I remember cursing, you know, Cleveland it gets cold against 628 00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,880 snowy. I'm not here selling these ads. I'm my cuffs are what you 629 00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,880 know? Oh, this is just a this is ridiculous. I've got my 630 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,320 master's degree. Why am I doing all this, and then I'm like, 631 00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:50,320 I'm like, be glad, be glad you did that, because so many 632 00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,920 lessons I learned and they were all pretty much totally transferable to doing this, 633 00:52:54,440 --> 00:53:00,400 and I wouldn't have had any of those without those hard times. So how 634 00:53:00,519 --> 00:53:06,800 do people find you? Where can they get to your podcasts? Where? 635 00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,000 How do they get to you? Well, that's that's the beautiful thing. 636 00:53:09,119 --> 00:53:15,039 Because now basically if you anybody has a phone and any kind of audio apps 637 00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:22,599 Spotify, Apple Podcasts, I Heart Radio, basically any audio app you have, 638 00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,239 you can listen. If you don't have a smartphone, you just you 639 00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:30,599 know, you have a computer. Jim Harold dot com. That's Jim h. 640 00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:35,559 R Old dot com and you can find all my shows there. And 641 00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:42,920 you know, if you are interested in hearing from experts in the feed, 642 00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:49,800 uh like Robert, check out our shows also experiencers and people just like you, 643 00:53:50,639 --> 00:53:54,639 experience something strange in their life. It could be ghost coutures, could 644 00:53:54,639 --> 00:53:59,440 be UFOs or my favorite, what I call head Scratchers. That's Jim Harold's 645 00:53:59,679 --> 00:54:04,840 camp Fire. And I hope everybody gets able to is able to check out 646 00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:10,039 those free Jim Harold dot com and on your favorite audiop You did it like 647 00:54:10,159 --> 00:54:14,960 a pro. You must have done this before. I have a few times. 648 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:22,360 I am so grateful for this opportunity. UM, thank you, Jim, 649 00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:27,159 thank you very much. Oh, thank you and bless you and all 650 00:54:27,199 --> 00:54:30,199 the listeners out there and viewers, thank you very much. That was just 651 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:35,599 a fabulous interview today. I'd like to thank my guest Jim Harrold, for 652 00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:40,079 being on and sharing all his knowledge about podcasts and his awareness of how to 653 00:54:40,199 --> 00:54:46,440 do things in such a successful and um professional work. Before we say goodnight, 654 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,719 I have a couple of requests. If you're watching us on YouTube, 655 00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,159 please like, comment and subscribe to our channel. It's really important. If 656 00:54:54,159 --> 00:55:00,480 you subscribe, it gets us higher ratings in in statistics, and that means 657 00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:06,679 we can have more more shows and do have more guests and continue this this 658 00:55:07,079 --> 00:55:13,119 uh growing process. You can find us on Apple, Spotify, and pretty 659 00:55:13,199 --> 00:55:16,920 much anywhere else you find your podcast. If you're looking for me personally, 660 00:55:17,039 --> 00:55:22,320 you can find me on my website www dot Robert Lindsay Millen dot com. 661 00:55:23,079 --> 00:55:30,880 You can also find me on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok. And now, 662 00:55:30,039 --> 00:55:37,079 just before I say goodbye, I have these words, do good stay 663 00:55:37,199 --> 00:55:39,519 safe, and above all just becoming