Hey, everybody, We're here, alive and thrive in Toronto, the most
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Send Canadian psychic Robert Lindsay Milne. That's me, Welcome to My Side
of the Crystal Ball. My guest tonight is Jim Harrold. So who's Jim
Harrold? You say, um, well, that's what I said. Just
a little while ago, I first met Jim. My publicist arranged for me
to be on his podcast year ago September. It was one of the first
ones I appeared on when when I was coming out of my semi retirement.
I was struck with his manners, his politeness, the respect that he showed,
the obvious intelligence, and the low key way he went about his work
and his interviews. It was a respectful interview and I was really impressed with
the professionalism of it, in fact, quite surprised for a podcast. A
little while later, like just a few weeks ago, I was booked on
his show again and once again I had the same feelings, and at the
end of the show, I asked him would he come on my Side of
the Crystal Ball? And he agreed, I had no idea his background,
and did you know that since two thousand and five up till now. Well,
first of all, Jim is a pioneer in his field a paranormal podcasts,
and since two thousand and five and up until now, his shows,
his videos, his work have been downloaded sixty million times, I know sixty
millions. So we're going to be talking to Jim throughout the whole show,
and Jim, of course is in the experts chair tonight. Before we do,
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further ado, let's start off with ww r S in our last episode.
I in WWRS I was talking about how can you do a reading for somebody
when you're in Toronto and they're they're in Australia. And what I did is
I started off with sharing how I learned how to do those things. Before
I knew what those things were, what they would be called. I just
simply learned how to do those things. And the way that I learned how
to do it was I just did it. So I came up with an
idea, can I do a reading? If I can do a reading for
somebody in front of me? Could I do a reading for somebody on the
telephone? And I explained how all that happened. And then I thought,
okay, if I can do a reading on the telephone, could I do
a reading on the telephone on the radio for someone? And again the only
way to find out was to go on the radio, be on the telephone
and do a psychic reading. And that's how it happened. So I still
didn't figure out what it was what I was doing. There were no words
in those days that would describe what I was doing, and most people were
astonished by being able to do a psychic reading on How could you do that?
Because everyone and me too in those days, was thinking outwardly, So
of course somebody in Australia, you can't tune into them just by looking out.
What you have to do is look inward. Now I didn't realize.
I didn't. I didn't think about going inward. I just did what I
did naturally. I tuned inward, look look, looked inward and tuned it
there now. And I didn't even realize that I was doing that. So
I did lots of readings on the telephone, got practiced, and then I
did psychic rietings after that on the telephone on the radio, and continue doing
it for a long time. And I stretched that talent. So now we
come back to here we are. Hotti described that I tune into, well
what do I tune into? I tune into myself. But you see,
I like everything on the planet. I suppose everything in the universe, but
everything on this planet. We're all connected. We're connected with all the living
beings on the planet. We're all intertwined. We're connected with all the parts
of the planet. And in order for us to get to a part of
the planet, we can just simply look inward rather than growing there physically outward.
When two people are in tune connected, you don't have to be in
front of them. You'll use the same technique of doing a reading or connecting
in front of somebody as you'll do looking inward, connecting and being psychic that
way, because they're both the same. I remember my friend George, remember
my mentor from forty plus years ago. In one of his lectures he started
off with in psychic things, there is no distance because there isn't because you're
not outward, you're inward. So that does you know? There was hard
to understand. Back in those days. We still had to dial the telephone.
It was still attached to the wall. Is very different than today.
So another way to say, how can you do reading for somebody when they're
not in front of you? In psychic things there is no distance. On
the Internet, there is no distance, So we can talk to somebody in
Australia from Toronto, or we can talk to somebody across the street online unlike
zoom video, we can talk to them and it takes the same amount of
time, the same amount of effort to see someone in Australia as it does
in Toronto, and it just once again proves that we are all connected and
we are all one. And when we pray, we go inward. When
we think, when we go inward, when we feel, we go inward.
It all comes from within. And when things come through us, they
first come from within. So how can you do usychic reading for somebody in
Australia, if you're in Toronto, or Montreal or New Yorker anywhere. Simply
go inward, tune into those feelings that you would feel if they were in
front of you. It really is that simple. And that's what Robert has
to say today. It's two thousand and five. Let imagine, let's the
autumn of two thousand and five, seventeen years ago, and all of a
sudden you decide you're going to do a podcast, And seventeen years later,
your podcast, The Paranormal Podcast and Jim Harold's Campfire has been downloaded sixty million
times. Your shows are in the top one percent of the most successful,
the most watched, and the most viewed. A man, if I would
have done a reading for you in September of two thousand and five, and
I would have said those things to you, what would you have said,
I say, WHOA, are you sure you gonna you need to polish the
crystal ball a little bit that Now the thing is is that now I one
minor corrections, more listened to because my shows are primarily I understand, I
understand you're listened to, okay, but but I do some things on YouTube
but just it's more of a kind of dabbling than it's been anything serious.
But but I would have been shocked to know that I've had the opportunity now
for ten years in June will be ten years I've been able to do this
full time is my profession. That would have blown me away. And then
in fact the numbers you mentioned, um yeah, I would have been,
as our British friends say, I would have been gobsmacked to think, yeah,
wow, So where did you come up with this idea? Because you
know, I'm thinking back to two thousand and five and I'm thinking of the
computer that I had had like eight gigabytes hard drive. You know, everyone's
going, whoa, you know, so, um, how did that happen?
Well? I had worked, see, I'd gone to school for broadcasting,
okay, and it was going to be my primary focus was actually television
and back in the day, really before the Internet took hold, I started
to go out into the work world in the early nineties. They always said,
hey, get call letters on your resume. If you want to work
in radio or television, work at any station. You can get into sweeping
the floor whatever. Right, So I ended up working at a radio station,
and as life often happens to you, I started looking around and I
was in a sales assistant. So I so this wasn't like in WABC AM
in downtown New York. Manhattan was like Cleveland. Cleveland, which is actually
a major is considered a major radio market, but it's not New York.
It's not Louis, Los Angeles. And uh but I was at a you
know, a classical music station. So it wasn't a top rated station,
but very accomplished in its field though I think maybe the first station ever on
the internet, strangely enough. But anyhow, I started looking around and it's
like, well, the salespeople make this much, and the the on air
people make this much, and yeah, I get to write commercials and do
fun stuff. Maybe I'll just try the sales thing out for a while.
Well, uh, you know, I worked there for a while as a
salesperson was pretty successful, went to other stations, did not like it,
but I was kind of into it. You know when you get yeah yeah,
you're like, I gotta do this because by that time I picked up
a fiance, say who became a wife. We had two kids. So
in the time frame your talk about two thousand and five, I am a
salesperson for a radio station. Actually he had gone back to that station as
a salesperson for a second time. I had two kids, I had a
mortgage, married, you know, a younger father, and it's like I
couldn't just go off to Paduca and chase my dream of broadcasting. I was
in my thirties at that point, so it's like this is never going to
happen for me. And then I heard about this thing called podcasting. I
heard a guy who used to be on MTV, Adam Curry, he started
podcasting, and Leo Laporte, who was a great tech journalist. And because
I always love talk radio, I started listening to them online and I listened
to him. It's like, oh my gosh, these guys are trained,
long time broadcasters. I could never do what they do. But then I
heard there were people doing these shows themselves, these podcasts, and I said,
well, I can't do what those guys are doing, but I can
do what these other people are doing. And to your point about the old
computer, I had, like a crummy computer. I built myself a Windows
computer. It had, you know, I think I had a thirty dollar
headset, which at that point with my economics was a stretch for me.
And I just started doing it for fun. And the way I came up
on the idea for the show was, you know, as a kid,
I grew up with in search of with Leonard Nimoy, and I always of
course listened to Coast to Coast am with a great late art bell and so
forth, and I didn't see hardly anything out there in terms of I mean,
podcasts were brand new. They really kind of started in two thousand four.
I would say this was two thousand and five. Nobody knew what they
were. And I said, you know, I'll do this and it'll just
be for fun. You know, I'll do a couple shows, you know,
a month, and and I'll just do this for fun. If I
can't be a professional broadcast or I can do this for my own enjoyment.
Plus I picked the paranormal because I couldn't really add anything in politics. You
can't do music, sports, I mean, what am I going to add?
What do I know about sports? But when it comes to the paranormal,
in some ways, I believe none of us are really truly experts.
We're all seekers, We're all trying to find the way. And I was
just a guy trying to find his way and talk to some of the great
thinkers. So I've did that show and lo and behold, people start to
listen. This was the paranormal podcast, right, that's the original. Yeah,
we can still do to this day. That's the one that yeah,
and and and it's it's it's also the thing is is that it's it's also
a situation where I got to interview great people who knew a lot more about
this stuff. Um, and you know, it's it's one of those things.
I was amazed that I was able to get these people. It was
so early. People would say, like, I got Stanton Friedman, who
was really the guy who broke open the Roswell case, of the Roswell UFO
case. I got people like Lloyd Auerbach who was a great parapsychologist, and
I was getting these great guests, and they had no idea what a podcast
was. It's like a pod. What is this? Yeah? Sure?
And my professional situation changed. I got a managerial job, so I had
less time to dedicate, but I still kept a hand in it. And
then two thousand and eight, I had gotten a job. I thought,
this is the job. This is going to be the dream job that's gonna
catapult me to whatever management or whatever at a higher level. And I have
been there for three or four months, and I thought, you know,
I don't know that this is going to be the job that catapults me.
This was two thousand and eight, and I I'll never forget. I was
sitting at my daughter's tea ball game listening to another podcast, which I don't
know if that makes me a bad dad or a good dad, but anyway,
and I heard somebody had a sponsor, and I thought to myself,
you know, I really ought to try this because people keep asking I'd been
a while since I published a show, and I said, you know,
I really ought to get serious about this. So I said, tell my
wife. For six months, I'm going to put out a show every single
week and we'll see what happens. At the end of that six months,
I got my first sponsor, and then more and more people started tuning in.
Then I started Jim Harold's Campfire, which is my most successful podcast.
Started that in two thousand and nine. That's where people call in with their
experiences, and honestly, I think that's where I provide the most value is
through that show. And it grew and it grew, and in twenty twelve,
I told my wife, I said, I think I want to quit
my full time job and give this a go full time, and bless her,
she gave me the green light, and I did it, and neither
of us have ever regretted the shows grow. I mean, I'm not to
use a name that everybody's familiar with these days. I'm not Joe Rogan.
I'm not to that level. I'm not independently wealthy. But I make a
living for my family, and I hope that I provide some good information,
some good entertainment, some good thought provoking material for people, because I think
so many of us struggle with these questions. You know, what's the afterlife
about? What is this UFO thing all about? What are ghosts? I
don't know that I've ever come up any with our heart and fast answers,
but I think even having the conversation is a good thing, and most importantly
having a place where people to share their experiences pretty much unfiltered. I don't
say make it spooky or make it scary. I say tell me your story
and that's it. And I think that's really important to be authentic to people's
experiences and not try to gin them up or those kind of things. Just
tell me what happened to you, and they do. And that, which
I thought was going to be a nice little side podcast, has really been
the one that's my most popular. I think resonates with people the most.
Jim Hammon Campfire The Campfire. Now you've also written um five books or or
now or six, well I'm working on six. I gotta get six out.
But they've been compilations of what I think are some of the best,
most outstanding campfire stories. And what we do is we basically take the transcriptions
of those and we clean them up and write them in story for them,
but we don't embellish them and we don't add things. And that's what we've
done with five of those books. Each book has about seventy stories in it
does does any stories just come to mind? If I one of the what
is one of the more fascinating stories are that you've heard? I think the
most fascinating stories a little bit lengthy, but I think it's worth it.
From a listener by the name of Ti up in Michigan. And she's still
a listener. And actually you could see this on YouTube prior to the pandemic.
I felt so strongly about her story. As I'm in Ohio, I
traveled up to Michigan with a videographer and we did a segment with her,
and her story has never changed. I think she probably told this story,
oh gosh, had to be at least ten years ago, if not longer.
And her story was is that her and her friend she was up She's
originally from Michigan, but she was visiting Wisconsin. She went with a friend.
They went to see a band. I know it was kind of in
a very kind of rural area, so they went off. They watched this
band. They closed the place, and they were musicians as well, so
they were talking with the band about gigs in different things. Because I guess
she came up to this area every summer and they got ready to leave,
and it was her and her friend Bob, and they were driving, and
they had about an hour ago till they got back to the They must have
been staying at a campground or something. So anyway, she gets a few
minutes down the road and she says, you know, I've really got to
go to the restroom. And Bob says, well, you know, it's
two thirty eight, three o'clock in the morning. There's not gonna be anything
open. There's always the bushes, right and and she said, no,
that's how okay, just drive fast. So they go down the road a
little bit and they see this bar, this roadhouse. They had a big
sign said the Roadhouse Saloon. But the weird thing was, this is after
three o'clock in the morning. You know, bars are supposed to be closed
then, but it was wide open. And the car there were cars in
the parking lot neon signs, you tell the place was up. And they
say, hey, let's not look a gift horse in the mouth. Let's
go in there. So she went in and she was talking to her friend
Bob as they were going in. Glad I'm here, Bob, Bob said,
because he's an artist and said, they have a mural. I've heard
like an old West mural where they have cowboys and this saloon scene and I've
heard a lot about but I've never seen it. So anyway, they go
in, uh, Ti goes to the restroom, comes back. Bob has
gotten them a couple of beers, and they're they're talking and everybody's looking at
them kind of strangely, kind of like with a blank expression, kind of
almost smiling, kind of like this. I thought, that's very odd.
So then they they haven't there's an old Woodetzer jukebox, a bubbler jukebox with
vinyl on it, you know them. Yeah, And a gentleman comes up
to Ti and he smiles and she said all of his teeth were rotten.
And he asked her to dance, and Ti walked with a cane and she
showed him a cane and said, I you know, I don't dance a
lot, and she said she was thankful she had that came to to beg
on. Yeah, so so he um, so he went and he played
Chubby Checkers. Let's twist again on the on the jukebox and that'll come into
play a little bit later and they're looking around and they're looking at this mural
and something peculiar. They noticed that everybody in the mural looks like a real
person. In the bar, there's kind of a woman who looks like a
dance hall girl to use an expression, olden expression. And there's a woman
right there who looks just like there's a couple of guys at a table playing
cards in the mural, and there's a couple of guys sitting at the table
who looked just like these guys. And they thought, well, you know
what, the artist probably was a regular here. These are probably regulars.
This is an homage to them. So anyway, there's these swinging doors in
the picture, like from the old Western movies if you remember those were the
gunslinger walks in and says, I want to see the sheriff for whoever he
wants to see and shoot. And they were talking about and the place just
had a weird vibe again, the people kind of blankly staring looking at them
but not talking, not engaging, just kind of weird. And they noticed
something when they're looking at the mural, at those doors, they noticed like
a couple of misty columns. But they didn't notice that when they came in,
and they go back to talking a little bit more and they look back
up and the columns are there that weren't there before, but now they're more
defined. One is significantly taller than the other. I think that's weird.
Did you see that when he came in? No, I didn't see that.
And then they look back up and it's developing like a pole Roy picture
almost if you remember those a man and a woman and the man is significantly
taller than the woman. They notice the woman has curly hair. TI has
curly hair. Then I know the woman has boots on and TI has boots
on, and then they know, get shiver down right. I don't know
why. Then the woman. Then they notice the woman has a cane and
TI has a cane. They realize that they're seeing themselves develop into the picture,
and they said, okay, let's get out of here. They get
up to go out, and the people start beckoning them back, come back,
come back, and they go, now, that's but that would be
weird. But it gets weirder. So they closed the door. TI says,
there's like darkness and the place is totally closed up. And when they
turn around to go back into the parking lot. They're not cars. There
is a car, the car they came in and they get out of there.
Now it gets even stranger. TI, being a much braver soul than
I am, she said, you know, nobody believes me. I'm telling
my friends and family about this. They think I'm you know, imagining things.
I'm gonna go back. So I think she got a friend or a
sister one night, and it was it wasn't granted, it wasn't two or
three o'clock in the morning. They went to seven or eight at night and
they went in and she saw a woman there tending bar, and she came
in started talking to her. She said, you know, I was here
the other night. You know, it was the joint was jumping. There
are a lot of people here, said man, there was this really good
looking, strong, strapping young bartender behind the bar. Muscles, you know,
looked like they said, I am a farm boy, that kind of
thing. And the girl said, I'm sorry, but the only people that
bartend hear me and my elderly father. And then t I thought, well
that's weird. And then she sees a jukebox. But the only thing that
was weird Robert is that it was not a wurlitz Er jukebox with vinyl in
it. It was a modern jukebox with CDs and oh no, Chubby Checker,
No, let's twist again. And with that, Ti decided to leave,
and she left the mystery the Roadhouse Saloon forever. Now here's the kicker
to that. Even this place exists, Yes, and I have had people
send me photos of it, and there is a mural. It's a real
place. So that's that was to me, that's maybe the most memorable campfire
story we've ever had. It really does sound like something out of the Twilight
Zone. Some of the and not all the stories are like that, most
of them, not most of them are. That's simpler. But that was
so what is Tia? Is that? But Ti, um, what does
she think that was about? Or what do you think that was about?
Well? I think when we talked, I mean, the only thing we
could come was like some kind of portal, you know, to another reality
or something. Had she stayed there, could she have been stuck with those
people? I think that's some speculation she had. I don't know. That
was one of my thoughts when I do think and doing the campfire show.
And at this point it's thousands of stories because we've done I think I just
put out um trying to remember the exact number, the five hundred and forty
third episode last week. So every show has multiple stories. So I've I've
literally heard thousands of stories. But kicking this around all this time, hearing
all these stories, I believe reality is a lot stranger than we realize sometimes,
and that you know, it's it's like in the old days, people
used to believe in ether or they may may have believed in things that didn't
particularly make sense, but they didn't pick up on things that did make sense.
For example, DNA has always existed, but people back in the day
didn't know it existed. So I do believe in a spiritual world. I
believe that is a real thing. But I also think that we don't quite
have the reality of a reality down, if you know what I'm saying.
I think, so, yeah, reality is strange, and what's really going
on in the universe, I think is stranger than we realize. Do you
believe in other type of worldly being? Sore? So we're these people in
that bo are were they worldly beings that were there at three o'clock in the
morning were worldly beings meaning being different than say, human, but look like
them or look like us'. I've recently interviewed someone who does deals with fairies
and things like that, and I was just wondering, are they worldly?
You know, worldly beings aren't human, they're a different race, but they
could look like us. I'd never thought about that. I thought more like
it was an alternate reality or something that there had been. You know,
I had a story one time of somebody who was a little kid, and
this is a very simple short story, but they were across the street from
m and McDonald's. This is probably twenty years ago, when she was a
little kid, and she walks, uh, she's you know, she's running
to the McDonald's because she's a little kid and she wants a milkshake, and
all of a sudden, she runs into this very kind of taciturn looking man
with a top hat that looked like he was out of time, and he
just looked at her like someone you would see in a movie, kind of
like the way I pictured it. If you remember that old actor John Carradine,
you know, have a top hat and looked just very angry when she
ran into him and looked at him, and then she ran by and looked
back and he was gone. So sometimes I wonder if we like cross with
these other realities. Maybe they're human, but if they're they're from another time
or place. And another person call in who has been a listener to the
show for years, who said that basically she was walking one day and she
walked into another reality that was of a past time, in the same neighborhood
and everything, and then walked just as easily back into this reality. So
sometimes I think that weird things happen where they're portals and things to other times
or maybe alternate universes. You know, a lot of scientists believe that the
multiverse is a real thing, so those are possibilities. But I hate to
say this, Robert, I have done thousands of shows. I mean,
if you count all the different shows I do, it's been over two thousand
episodes. Probably closer to twenty six hundred episodes. I don't know, and
it's it's annoying, but I think sometimes you have to live with the mystery
of it. It's it's a tough thing. I don't think anybody knows,
even those that do it. I don't think they really know what they're doing.
They're just as you've done all these podcasts. You've received all this information,
all these experiences, and when you put it all together, you just
don't know. Well, one day our essence or not. One day our
essence will will leave this body and then we'll go to another level, I
think. And when we do, then we'll see and know these things,
or we may not go anywhere, because nobody really knows exactly what's going to
happen when we have shuffled off our multiple mortal coil. Right. It's and
I realized that a long long time ago, and you know, I was
coming to terms with what God was, and then I realized one day that,
hey, wait a minute, nobody's really come back as themselves. So
we don't know what happens after we die. We have ideas and we have
what we want and want it to be, but we really don't know.
And it was at that point that I said, then my guess is just
as good as about anybody else's. So I'm just going to follow what I
believe rights that makes sense to me, and I do believe in an afterlife.
I mean, if you look at flipping on my interview or hat.
My favorite subjects is that near death experiences and the hardcore skeptics who think tonnely
materialistically that our brain is physical one hundred and our mind is physical, and
that when you die, you're dead and you just have a big dirt nap.
Where I think that falls apart, just on a common sense level,
for example, is the near death experience. Now, people who have the
near death experiences, many of them report things like the tunnel of light,
the life review, so forth and so on, which you know, I
don't want to discount. But here's the thing that gets me that says there
really is something to this, not just the hallucinations of a dying brain and
dopamine and different chemicals being released. When somebody flatlines and they quote die and
then they come back and then they say, well, there was a medical
team of three people working on me, and they were doing this, and
they were doing this, and they were doing this. But all the things
that experience or reports seeing happened while they were dead or unconscious. How do
they see that? How do they know that? And those are the kind
of things that I think, you know, just from a common sense point
of view, it's not even faith to me, says yes, there is
an afterlife. Um, what it is, I don't know. I mean
kind of my hope is. What I hope for is the the great reunion,
you know, and have a family picnic with everybody wouldn't before. Yeah,
that'd be a beautiful thing. But I don't know if that's that's what
happens. Another thing that interests me. I don't know if I quote believe
in it, but it does intrigue me as a reincarnation. If you look
at the work of people done by the late even Ian Stevenson or Jim B.
Tucker from the University of Virginia, some very very compelling cases about past
life experiences and so forth. So that's that's certainly food for thought. So
there's a lot out there, and I'm more convinced than ever that the other
realms exist. I'm less certain of what they are if I go kind of
put it in a nutshell. There's a fellow that he's a scientist. He
is a media guy now but but but his PhD and he got his PhD
and studying bats. But I forget his first name is his last name is
Rifkin. And he appears on a lot of the big radio stations and he
does these little capsule comments. And I was listening to him the other day
and he was talking about an experiment that accidentally happened where somebody had had died,
but they had an eg they were attached to it. It was just
a coincidence. And after this being this person, this human had died,
their body was no longer working their heart and they had gone into the decay.
Their brain continued to process information even though the physical body was dead.
It was the body wasn't getting any oxygen or any feet, but the brain
continued to process and almost like the brain was programmed to process what had been
experienced through its entire life, even though the physical body was dead. And
then they started doing more experiments. Now there's no conclusive results, but it
appears that many times when someone has died, their brain continues to function even
though they're they're they're not breathing and the physical body actually used to canect,
but the brain continues to send or or or or it appears like in the
part of the brain where it's doing a thinking and an assessment. Right.
Well, it's interesting to me is the idea that your your brain, there's
the brain in the mind. And the closest analogy that I can use as
your computer. Okay, I have a computer here that has its own capabilities.
If it's disconnected from the internet. However, you connect it to the
internet. Um, it really expands and can do so much more. And
I kind of wonder And this is not an original thought. I think Simonson
has talked about this. But the idea that you're and many other people that
you your brain and your universal mind or some people call it the what was
it the spiritual Internet or something I think called it. But but the idea
of a two working concert and that makes a lot of sense to me.
And maybe what happens is to your point, maybe in that scenario, is
it possible that the contents of your brain are being uploaded to the metaphysical cloud?
Is it worth you know? Well that that is what the implication was.
Yeah, that's what that That is what he was saying. There just
wasn't enough scientific proof for him to say this is exactly what happened, But
he talked about that and and it was a way of measuring and um.
Then one of the other in interviewers or the host of the show said,
what effect would that have if we were keeping somebody physically alive just to harvest
their their organs? Would that interfere at the end life process? And then
that brought in all kinds of topics for an early Monday morning and they stopped
it. But but that was just something. So do you believe in everything
or do you just acknowledge that everything could exist? Or everything? Probably more
the latter. I mean, the thing is is that. And I used
to remember before I started doing this, when I used to listen to somebody
like an art bell or somebody's like, well, how can they believe in
this stuff? And you can't. I don't think. You know. I've
had everybody from folks who practice witchcraft, and I'm definitely not a witch,
although that's somebody's right if they want to practice that. Just because I interviewed
somebody about something doesn't mean I necessarily it's my personal philosophy, but my role.
And a lot of people will ask, well, aren't you a paranormal
investigator? And I'm like, no, I'm not, and I don't want
to be because I want to have a certain arms length distance from the subjects,
not that I can't be knowledgeable about them and know what the research says
and talk, for example, talking to psychics, talking like you. I'm
very interested in what you experience and people like you, but that doesn't mean
I want to be a psychic. My goal is to give a fair hearing
to experiencers, definitely first and foremost, and also authors, experts, psychics.
Give them a fair hearing and let them explain their theories and let the
audience decide what they think on it. As far as my personal beliefs,
you know, I can go down the list. I believe the afterlife is
real. I believe that there's something phenomena cryptids. I definitely believe in underwater
cryptids, something like Bigfoot. A little bit less, I'm a little more
skeptical, but I'm open to hearing other perspectives. Ghosts, Yeah, I
think they're real. Do I think there's good? I think there's good,
and I think there's actually some evil out there too. I think there's both
because I've talked to many of my friends more kind of in the New Age
community, and they've got some great things to share. But some people will
say, well, there's no such thing as evil, because it's just a
lower vibration, and I personally disagree with it. I mean, we're seeing
a lot of evil going on with Russia and mister Putin's doing. Yes,
so evil is around in the world for sure. Um, so it has
to be because because without evil, good cannot exist. Um, they're high
to be what what what is one way positive? There has to be negative
without each other, they don't exist. Yeah, that's that's what I think.
That's why I think. So, um, you know, for example,
my background, I'm having a little bit of fun with some of the
stuff in the background. It's real, by the way, it said no
green screen, but h but I was. I thought it was real.
I looked at it. But but the point being is I have fun with
it. But I do take the stuff very seriously, um, because it
is serious. It's the nature of our existence. So um, you know,
I think it's important stuff. And I think it's just as important as
the stuff that's in the headlines in the newspaper, so to speak. I
think that, and we see with UFOs, I mean now with the US
government coming out and saying, yeah, there might be something to this,
Um, you know, that's even greater implications uh, and and scientists more
and more saying well, yeah, there probably is life fellswhere. Um,
big stuff. We're talking about big stuff. Do you have, um guests
come from on from the dark side or those that would be worshiping evil things
or um, like like a Satanist or you know, like the famous one
was was Um. Yeah, yeah, I don't get into that. That's
just a personal choice. I mean, I do believe in freedom of religion.
Uh, you know, as long as you're not harming other people.
But for my shows, I've stayed away from that. Yeah, and you're
just not into that negative side. No, okay. Um, have you
met anyone that on your shows that say or do miracles? As you understand
miracles not so much. I'm very careful about medical things. Um well,
well, miracles don't have to be medical. I understand. I understand that.
Um. I've had people who have experienced miracles. Oh, yes,
have you. I've experienced things where I thought there was divine intervention. I
don't know if I would call them miracles. What would be the difference then
between a mile point? It's a good point. One of my favorite I
go, I'll tell you my favorite miracle story. Hin kind of saved my
life. Um, I'm here in Ohio and we have a big amusement park
called Cedar Point, which is the probably the foremost roller coaster park in the
United States. Anyway, UM, my wife and I and she was my
fiance at the time. This would have been nineteen ninety four. She wasn't
my fiance at the time. She was just my girlfriend at that point.
And uh, we decided where we're going to go with some friends. So
we went. There was a say urday night. I dropped her back home
and it was like two o'clock in the morning. She said, and we've
just been dating for three or four months, and she said, you know,
I'm gonna ask. She was living with her folks because she was going
to grad school. She said, I'm gonna ask my dad if you can
sleep out in the couch. I'm like, no, no, I barely
know them. And it's like she's I'm gonna ask, You're gonna fall asleep.
So anyway, I did it and got up in the morning and had
a nice breakfast everything, and I went back to my house I lived in
kind of I was moving. It was in the process of getting a new
place actually close to where she lived, but at that time it was in
a little rougher part of town, because that's kind of where I grew up,
was in the rough part of town. And it was this old eight
frame style house. And I pull up and I get out of my car,
and the guy who lived in the back half house, the landlord's sun,
said we gotta talk, because he was standing pointing at the house.
I'm like, oh, hey, hey, how's it going. He's like,
there's been a drive by. I'm like a drive by shooting. Whose
house got shot up? He said, our house got shot up. And
I was not there that night because of a coincidence. And I had one
of those big double door refrigerators that an uncle gave me. Bullet through one
side, bullet through the ketchup out the other side. I had a new
microwave that took a direct hit and was a casualty. It was. And
the cop said, what's this guy who lives up here? What does he
do? And he said, well, he works where a classical music radio
station. And it was an a K forty seven. And it turns out
that about three o'clock in the morning, some people were looking to hit the
house next door. The house next door was light blue. Our house was
dark blue. Somebody told him to hit the blue house under the amber colored
street lights. Our house looked blew. Their house looked white. They got
the wrong house. Now, I can't say with certainty if I would have
been killed had I been there, But there's a there's a chance. I
mean, what if I had gone down because all the rounds hit downstairs.
I slept on the second floor. But who knows if someone was lying in
wait looking for my motion. Who knows if I got thirsty went downstairs to
the kitchen to get a glass of water. Who knows. All I know
it was a very unusual circumstance for me not to be home that night,
and that was the night that my place was riddled with machine gun fire.
Now again the skeptical say, hey, you were just lucking, just a
coincidence. I think someone somewhere pulled some strings that I wasn't there. And
then there's other possibilities that your your girlfriend I'm soon to be wife at the
time, had had was influenced to keep you there too. Yep, Um,
there's many possibilities. But but but, but someone was looking after Jim
that night that's for sure been looking like a piece of Swiss cheese. And
that's right, it wouldn't have been good and and things like that. And
then see, Robert, here's where it gets tough for me. Why was
I in that case spared but somebody in another case is not? You know,
that's where it gets tough. Well, it's really simple, Jim.
Really so it wasn't your time. Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's about
that. That's all that's gonna be. Anything else is going to drive you
crazy because I think your number wasn't up. Yeah. I think about those
people that during you know, awful tragedy of nine to eleven, Well their
number was up right, But but you hear about the people who adnal appointment.
My kids were running late for school and they were saved, and then
these weren't. It does seem arbitrary, but you're you're right. I think
you're right. In the end. I think that is the right read on
it. It was well, that is something that I have been doing for
about fifty seven years. So you know, like really basically you can drive
yourself crazy trying to figure out what if and really it is it's it wasn't
their time or your time, and you had to you your mission was to
do what you're doing as well as creating your your your family, and that
that's the reason. Yeah, It's one of those things where I gotta tell
you it's it's a mystery, and I think it's a pretty neat job I
get to do. I mean, I love all the tech stuff, I
love the broadcasting part of it. I enjoy the business part of it.
But I mean, you later, on top of this, I get to
talk all day about these mysteries of life. I mean, what a gig.
It's wonderful. I'm very grateful, and that is being a success.
Yeah, yeah, do I you know do am I, Joe Rogan and
I Because I hear all these people in podcasting all this one signed a million
dollars deal. This signed a two million dollars deal. But I just keep
plugging along and doing my thing, and my audience, which really are the
most important people seem to enjoy it. And we grow every year. I
think last year we grew by about twenty percent. I was massive, but
you just you know, I'd kind of like the tortoise, you know,
I'm just blow and steady wins the race, and I really I do,
and it's it's nice to be able to get you know, for many years,
I did things that I didn't enjoy, you know, the sales stuff
I wasn't crazy about. But to be honest with you, that has been
invaluable in the business side of what we do with advertising and different things,
you know, and that makes the fun part possible. If I hadn't had
that experience, then I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing today. I couldn't.
I wouldn't have been qualified to make it work. And I think sometimes
you some people call it God, some people call it universe, that we
are put in positions to prepare us for things that we don't yet understand.
I agree, and when we're put in those positions, we there's no right
or wrong choice, but the decision we make in that situation determines which way
our life goes Right. That makes sense to me. That makes sense to
me because again I remember cursing, you know, Cleveland it gets cold against
snowy. I'm not here selling these ads. I'm my cuffs are what you
know? Oh, this is just a this is ridiculous. I've got my
master's degree. Why am I doing all this, and then I'm like,
I'm like, be glad, be glad you did that, because so many
lessons I learned and they were all pretty much totally transferable to doing this,
and I wouldn't have had any of those without those hard times. So how
do people find you? Where can they get to your podcasts? Where?
How do they get to you? Well, that's that's the beautiful thing.
Because now basically if you anybody has a phone and any kind of audio apps
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those free Jim Harold dot com and on your favorite audiop You did it like
a pro. You must have done this before. I have a few times.
I am so grateful for this opportunity. UM, thank you, Jim,
thank you very much. Oh, thank you and bless you and all
the listeners out there and viewers, thank you very much. That was just
a fabulous interview today. I'd like to thank my guest Jim Harrold, for
being on and sharing all his knowledge about podcasts and his awareness of how to
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