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Hello everyone, 10 00:00:40.320 --> 00:00:44.280 welcome to another episode of Iizon. I'm Andy Milman. Hey, before 11 00:00:44.359 --> 00:00:47.200 we go into the intro, everyone else so you don't have to come back 12 00:00:47.240 --> 00:00:53.600 to me. Very excited today to have the famous Mick Molroy, famous but 13 00:00:53.719 --> 00:00:58.280 very self effacing and modest, so he's haunted. Get hold of Mick Molroy 14 00:00:58.399 --> 00:01:03.079 back needs you know when you say no, it needs no introduction, then 15 00:01:03.119 --> 00:01:07.239 you go ahead and introduce him anyway, unless you've been sleeping under a rock 16 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:14.000 in the Teamhouse environs and really had ignored what is going on with the coolest 17 00:01:14.040 --> 00:01:18.959 of coolest guests. Mick has been a habitual guest on the team House, 18 00:01:19.079 --> 00:01:23.280 former former dansty for the Middle East. Mick is clearing him maybe because before 19 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:30.599 I've said special operations regardless, you know, and and of course senior paramilitary 20 00:01:32.159 --> 00:01:37.159 officer in the CIA, most importantly a former marine, which brings the ratio 21 00:01:37.239 --> 00:01:42.400 of this show back to three to one. Okay, all right over to 22 00:01:42.480 --> 00:01:48.120 you, Jason and d Well thinks of well, Mick thinks desperately, how 23 00:01:48.120 --> 00:01:53.400 do I follow that one up? Jason Lyons ADMITI and this is I'm figuring 24 00:01:53.439 --> 00:01:57.359 it more and more every day every week. This is like a marine sigh. 25 00:01:57.400 --> 00:02:04.879 Up, We're running it eventually happens everywhere. Is awesome thing going on 26 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:08.479 in your will cool to us? What I mean, things you can talk 27 00:02:08.520 --> 00:02:13.039 to us about are the stuff that you can It's okay, we're all friends 28 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:16.680 here, Ah, just random thoughts. Well, I'd first like to highlight 29 00:02:16.759 --> 00:02:24.919 the great work that Jack Murphy did on Willie Murkison. Yeah. I've been 30 00:02:25.039 --> 00:02:29.680 talking to him about that for a long time, and WILLI is is a 31 00:02:29.759 --> 00:02:32.560 legend in the SF community. The Ranger community and the paramilitary community, and 32 00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:37.599 that's where I knew him. Literally, I think the first time I met 33 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:44.319 Willie was in the early stages of Afghanistan and me and another ground branch guy 34 00:02:44.400 --> 00:02:51.240 were walking across the front of Ariana where the station would eventually be, and 35 00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:53.360 Willy was there and he said, Hey, can you guys take me up 36 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:55.639 to that place called bog Roam. You know, he said, you guys 37 00:02:55.639 --> 00:02:59.599 look like your PM dudes, which we were like, okay, that's a 38 00:02:59.759 --> 00:03:04.360 that's probably a compliment. And then he had one backpack and like a body 39 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:07.240 armor and a rifle and I don't know, and he was he had to 40 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:12.599 be in his sixties by then, but wow, I met Willy that he 41 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:17.479 was and you know, he really and he is a very self effacing, 42 00:03:19.039 --> 00:03:27.039 modest individual who was super reluctant to talk to Jack, and not obviously because 43 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:29.919 of Jack, but because he just didn't want to highlight himself. So we 44 00:03:30.120 --> 00:03:32.639 really had to get his friends to highlight him to get to a point where 45 00:03:32.639 --> 00:03:38.919 we had, you know, had that confidence or from Willy and he and 46 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:43.159 he and he and I really do hope and that's obviously up to the Pentagon 47 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:52.639 to do this, but his Distinguished Cross Army Cross and getting upgraded to a 48 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:57.560 Medal of honor something. They have to obviously go through the process, and 49 00:03:57.599 --> 00:04:00.360 I fully trust that they'll do it correctly and that'll be the right answer. 50 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:06.280 But I can tell you, as I guess, not a objective observer, 51 00:04:06.479 --> 00:04:11.759 somebody's greatly admires him. I've talked to his friends, I've talked to people 52 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:14.840 who have been there, and they all thought that that should be the case. 53 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:19.000 So if they're talking to the people that were co located with him, 54 00:04:19.040 --> 00:04:23.800 they're talking to his peers from that time, I think they will come up 55 00:04:23.839 --> 00:04:26.279 with the right answer. So I just wanted to start off with that. 56 00:04:26.519 --> 00:04:29.800 Yeah, I mean they did, like super it took him like a long 57 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:34.439 time to write this piece and it's huge and Sean and Sean, Yeah, 58 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:38.240 it's definitely a book. Like I think it'll become a they'll make it a 59 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:43.560 book eventually too. Yeah. I got to meet him, to meet him 60 00:04:44.079 --> 00:04:47.879 probably two thousand and starting in two thousand and nine up until I left the 61 00:04:47.879 --> 00:04:51.959 agency, and so we'd have lunch whenever I was back at headquarters, meet 62 00:04:53.000 --> 00:04:57.079 and him in a make I don't know if you knew Bobby Harris. He 63 00:04:57.199 --> 00:05:00.879 was, Yeah, he was my mentor. I was there at the agency 64 00:05:00.920 --> 00:05:04.839 and so he introduced me, and uh, just those guys were just like 65 00:05:05.120 --> 00:05:09.480 when I first met Willie I first walked into his office, he just had 66 00:05:09.480 --> 00:05:12.199 this look on his face, this like serious look, and I was like, 67 00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:15.800 oh boy, and then immediately he just cracked a joke and was just 68 00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:20.079 the coolest guy. So it was It's definitely been an honor to know him. 69 00:05:20.319 --> 00:05:25.879 Yeah. Absolutely, he was like the grand grandpop of yes Billy Yeah, 70 00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:28.800 yeah, him and Billy Wall, right, we have a couple. 71 00:05:29.279 --> 00:05:30.959 We have a lot of like we had a lot of legends there, absolutely, 72 00:05:31.360 --> 00:05:34.839 but a big big whereas Billy Wall you know yeah, I mean it's 73 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:39.759 not that he does to lecture suck it, but he is he has been 74 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:45.000 more out there, right, So kudos to yeah, Jack and the and 75 00:05:45.040 --> 00:05:49.279 the team house for another thing. And Sean Naylor. Sean Naylor to Taylor, 76 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:57.439 Ye, dealing Donald was a bit part of that too. So Mat 77 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:00.519 tell us everything, tell us everything that's going on, and you I want 78 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:04.199 to know coordinates. Ah, okay, well what's the closest alligate of the 79 00:06:04.199 --> 00:06:10.319 boat? So next week I might be going is the natal summit in Washington, 80 00:06:10.839 --> 00:06:16.560 Okright, so that's coming out of time when you have, uh, 81 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:21.879 you know, the political questions about the future support to Ukraine. I guess 82 00:06:21.920 --> 00:06:28.279 this is the way to put it, you know, with La Pens Party, 83 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:30.519 what is it national or something national? You know, it was the 84 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:36.480 National Front but it's changed. Uh, I forget national socialists. I'm sure 85 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:44.000 nice, right, but it's the it's the you know. I guess you 86 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:46.399 could say the far right, I mean always was it is, all right, 87 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:49.079 yeah, definitely been far right and then. But I don't know how 88 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:53.279 you get elected by the majority if you're on far right or left. But 89 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:59.199 I get I get the point. She's definitely far far right by most calculations. 90 00:06:59.519 --> 00:07:05.319 Uh. Most struggling, of course, is Heer already stated questioning of 91 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:14.480 continuing support to Ukraine is my biggest concern, especially when it comes to stability 92 00:07:14.519 --> 00:07:16.319 in Europe. Right, And I think it's important to point out that, 93 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:19.720 you know, some people kind of couch this as some kind of charity. 94 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:24.480 It's not at all. I mean, if you take it from the US 95 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:30.199 perspective, I mean, how much taxpayer dollars we spend on our national security 96 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:34.959 A lot? Right, And I do think our strength is relative to our 97 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:40.360 adversaries. Right, So, if you have somebody willing to deplete your adversary 98 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:44.519 up to fifty percent of their military capacity, it's not charity. It's a 99 00:07:44.560 --> 00:07:47.560 good investment, right, I mean, it's just flat out dollars and cents. 100 00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:54.879 I do think there's an ethical and moral requirement to defend democracies. But 101 00:07:54.920 --> 00:07:58.439 even if you don't, you could take that out of the equation and still 102 00:07:58.480 --> 00:08:05.000 say, well, it's still makes sense to contribute arms and munitions, weapon 103 00:08:05.079 --> 00:08:09.560 systems and everything we can to deplete our probably most dangerous adversary, right. 104 00:08:09.639 --> 00:08:15.639 I mean, I think China is considered more uh, you know, significant, 105 00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:20.279 especially with their economy and their capacity, But Russia seems to be the 106 00:08:20.279 --> 00:08:26.959 most dangerous, right yeah. I mean one country out of those two did 107 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:31.480 invade another country. Right, So, and even if I mean, the 108 00:08:31.839 --> 00:08:37.279 bottom line is obviously Russia is a significant adversary and Ukraine is taking not only 109 00:08:37.360 --> 00:08:41.399 the funds and support from the US but also NATO, and they're putting it 110 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:46.559 to good work. I mean, they get they get criticized for how their 111 00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:52.240 counter and counter offensive win, which I don't think was necessarily fair because the 112 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:56.399 same people that criticize them overinflated what would likely happen right and then and then, 113 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:00.039 and they criticize them for not being able to do it. But it 114 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:03.600 also came at a time when there was a significant lull in support. So, 115 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:09.080 if anything, it was the fault of the supporter, is not the 116 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:13.480 fault of the people executing the offensive, right. I mean, if you 117 00:09:13.519 --> 00:09:16.879 look at the way the US military would have went about that, I don't 118 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:20.440 even know that we would have done it without even air parody, let alone 119 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:28.039 superiority. And we've never had to do anything remotely like that, exactly remotely 120 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:31.919 like that. And anyone who says that we have and tries to throw the 121 00:09:31.919 --> 00:09:39.000 Gulf wall or anything from the Sycamore Wall just does not understand the modern battlefield, 122 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:45.919 you know. And we're using all techniques SOSA with the limited amount of 123 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:46.879 smoke. I mean, they were, you know, I mean it was 124 00:09:48.440 --> 00:09:54.159 ridiculous. What we taught them was inadequate to the task. That's not a 125 00:09:54.159 --> 00:10:00.159 criticism. We just don't have that frame of reference. You can't expect them 126 00:10:00.480 --> 00:10:03.559 and what they get down to like ten to one ratio of artillery, you 127 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:07.559 know, for everyone they had and were coming their way. So, I 128 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:11.720 mean, if if there's any fault in that, I think it's the fault 129 00:10:11.720 --> 00:10:16.159 of the supporting element, right, the US and NATO. For especially the 130 00:10:16.279 --> 00:10:18.159 US, I should say, I mean, we had the lull with the 131 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:24.639 political machinations of the support. Now that's been past the National Security supplemental, 132 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:28.960 you know, hopefully we're going to catch up and we're gonna we're going to 133 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:33.320 give them what they need to actually win and not just survive. Right, 134 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:37.399 I've got a quick question for you, because this is really confused the shit 135 00:10:37.440 --> 00:10:43.000 out of me. I mean, you, you and I come from communities 136 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:48.320 that are not traditionally liberal or left wing. Right, you know, we'd 137 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:52.919 like to think politically bipartisan. But yes, let's be honest, we tend 138 00:10:52.919 --> 00:10:56.200 to be on the right of center. And yet to a man, and 139 00:10:56.440 --> 00:11:01.759 I've never met one woman, I've never I have not met a guy who 140 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:05.360 is wearing uniform or who is in the agency who has said anything other than 141 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:09.440 or former by the way, anything other than we need to support Ukraine. 142 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:13.720 It's a no brainer, you know. So what I don't understand is the 143 00:11:13.759 --> 00:11:22.600 population beyond who consider themselves conservative and yet up blocking what is a no brainer 144 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:28.159 is you point out money for Lives right were substituting. It's expensive, but 145 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:33.600 nothing is as expensive as you know, a dead American right, so it 146 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:37.360 is a bargain. As you point out, how can people not understand that? 147 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:39.360 Do you think it's a lack of education or do you think it's just 148 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:52.600 such hardwired partisanship that nothing can show them the reality of geopolitics. I agree, 149 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:54.960 and it's been baffling to me. I mean, the only thing that 150 00:11:54.039 --> 00:11:56.679 I can. And I'm not a partisan person. I don't belong to a 151 00:11:56.720 --> 00:12:01.279 political party, but I would agree with you. Most people in the military 152 00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:05.639 and CIA, at least when it comes to national security tend to fall in 153 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:09.960 the right side of the spectrum right. Maybe not so much in uh, 154 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:13.519 you know, domestic issues and stuff like that, but certainly on the national 155 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:18.559 security side, you know, strong defense and kind of a without the partisanship, 156 00:12:18.559 --> 00:12:24.120 the Raking and type view right. I don't know where there's people win 157 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:26.240 in the Revolican Party, to be honest, I know they're still there. 158 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:28.639 I talked to them, I see them, I just never hear I never 159 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:35.080 hear them represented it represented, excuse me, in the in the party anymore, 160 00:12:35.080 --> 00:12:37.519 even though there are plenty out there, and uh, and that's troubling 161 00:12:37.559 --> 00:12:43.039 because if if it's just purely partisan and they're looking at you know, talking 162 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:46.440 points of what have you, and somehow they came up with that we shouldn't 163 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:50.720 support Ukraine, I just don't. I can't follow the logic. I'd really, 164 00:12:50.960 --> 00:12:54.879 I really can't. And and if if they think that appeasement, which 165 00:12:56.039 --> 00:13:01.039 has been proven to be the wrong course of action so many times in history, 166 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:03.480 and not just in history, but in that part of the world, 167 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:09.639 they think that's the way to go, I mean, I just can't see 168 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:13.879 how they could logically get there. But I mean I do see different political 169 00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:16.639 side, so I do think I can see even if I agree with one 170 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:18.879 or the other. But this is one of those things. I just don't 171 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:22.960 see how they could, you know, follow logical steps and get to the 172 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:28.000 point that we should appease try to force Ukraine into heating territory. I mean 173 00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:33.120 American mentality. Can imagine somebody took over part of you, Wes, somebody 174 00:13:33.159 --> 00:13:35.840 came to us and said give away Texas or something. I mean, it 175 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:39.120 would be like, yeah, right, So I don't understand why that's the 176 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:43.480 case. I do, of course, you know, I mean around the 177 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:46.679 edges, you know, they spending it in all the right areas well. 178 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:50.840 I think that should be the case for all security assistants we give. We 179 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:54.279 should always audit it, we should always ensure that it's not going to the 180 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:56.960 wrong places. It's not unique to Ukraine. So that don't even view that 181 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:01.120 as a as an argument, because the answer is that, well, we 182 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:05.080 should always do that, you know, whether on Israel or going to Ukraine 183 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:09.840 or whoever, which we do, and they're all subject to everything from lehi 184 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:16.279 vedding to as much as we can monitoring. You know, I get it. 185 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:20.639 In Ukraine we had a huge issue with accountability, but that was because 186 00:14:20.679 --> 00:14:24.679 of our own policies, you know what I mean. It's you're going to 187 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:30.440 pour money into a country with some history of corruption, some of it's going 188 00:14:30.519 --> 00:14:31.720 to get creamed off. But at the end of the day, you haven't 189 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:35.879 lost a single American soldier. It comes back to that, you know, 190 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:39.480 So at the end of the day, it's like, hey, you've got 191 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:45.440 to You've got to understand this, and that's that is my concern. During 192 00:14:45.440 --> 00:14:48.279 the Cold War, of course, there was the you know, the logic 193 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:56.480 of containment that was consistent, right but we've lost that now. And my 194 00:14:56.600 --> 00:15:01.720 concern is not so much Ukraine or I mean whatever the country is of the 195 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:05.399 day, but our standing on the wall because no one knows, you know, 196 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:09.000 in the discussions now in Europe, no one knows what our policy is 197 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:13.440 going to be off the November vice of the Ukraine, and that is really 198 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:18.679 sunning, right and NATO right. So yeah, one of the big things 199 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:22.919 about the summit, of course, is talking about how Ukraine could eventually get 200 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:28.320 into NATO, right, And that's going to be a touchy subject because if 201 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:31.039 they come in when they're still fighting Russia, then you'll have an ARTA flight 202 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:35.679 situation. So I mean, one could argue, although you can't do the 203 00:15:35.720 --> 00:15:37.600 past, is that if we would let them in NATO when they asked fourteen 204 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:41.759 years ago, they wouldn't be a war going on right now. But that's 205 00:15:41.159 --> 00:15:45.559 that's uh, you know again, that's what aren't the bridge. That's going 206 00:15:45.639 --> 00:15:50.240 to be one of the big discussions this week, uh in Washington. The 207 00:15:50.320 --> 00:15:52.679 other one, I'm sure, which may not be on the agenda, is 208 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:56.080 what's going to happen if there's a change of administrations, you know, if 209 00:15:56.759 --> 00:16:03.120 if is there really a desire too I don't think you can pull out of 210 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:11.159 NATO, but certainly reduce our presence, reduce our participation, and maybe even 211 00:16:11.879 --> 00:16:15.679 a move to pull out of NATO. I don't know, that is completely 212 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:21.279 not in our interests. It's the most significant military coalition in history, and 213 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:26.600 the only time it's responded to Autoicle five is on the US. Yeah, 214 00:16:26.679 --> 00:16:30.759 for the US. Right, how long was NATO in Afghanistan? Right? 215 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:34.879 I mean, look at it, NATO other than the US, look at 216 00:16:34.919 --> 00:16:40.440 it from their perspective. I mean, and they were losing people too, 217 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:45.120 of course, as you guys all know. The other part of that is 218 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:52.240 this idea that somehow and everybody should pay what they're required, right, the 219 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:55.919 two percent. But that's in their own national defense. It's not it's not 220 00:16:55.960 --> 00:16:57.559 a country club, right, there's not a you're not chipping in, So 221 00:16:57.600 --> 00:17:03.320 we're paying more because these guys are pinning the bar. Right, We're not 222 00:17:03.360 --> 00:17:07.240 going to reduce our defense spending. Yeah, Like, so everybody knows if 223 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:10.960 everybody went up to four percent and NATO, the US is still not going 224 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:12.440 to go, oh, you know what, we're going to reduce it never 225 00:17:12.519 --> 00:17:17.319 gonna happen. We're gonna find ourselves to be able to fight on our own. 226 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:21.359 Well, we'll find some other way to waste that money. Yes, 227 00:17:21.519 --> 00:17:25.359 we're not going to cut our bill, So it's not it's not one of 228 00:17:25.359 --> 00:17:29.519 those things. And that's how it seems to get couched. NATO is they 229 00:17:29.680 --> 00:17:33.160 as they should And now I think there Russia is focusing their concentration here. 230 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:37.640 They should pay more for their own national defense. We should have, but 231 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:41.519 that is US should lead it. We should lead NATO in becoming even more 232 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:45.920 effective to the point where Russia would never even consider attacking it. That's the 233 00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:51.160 best defense is to be so strong that nobody would ever you know, dare 234 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:56.440 mess with you. It's not I couldn't. I mean, I couldn't agree 235 00:17:56.519 --> 00:18:00.400 more. One. One positive aspect though, is and I think this is 236 00:18:00.440 --> 00:18:07.599 independent of US decisions. You've got countries like Poland really stepping up into a 237 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:11.039 position of leadership, you know, in the eastern flank, raising their GDP 238 00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:17.559 to four percent, you know, even the Czech Republic. You know, 239 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:22.799 even so, even countries that aren't frontline countries are all now kind of stepping 240 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:27.880 up to the plate for domestic political reasons as much as you know, geopolitical 241 00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:36.160 realization that the US is no longer a necessarily as launch a partner as perhaps 242 00:18:36.799 --> 00:18:41.200 they you know, they previously thought that's absolutely right. And I mean, 243 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:45.079 maybe this is rhetoric. It's still not known, does the wrong message, 244 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:48.400 but nothing happens. But in the event that it's not just rhetoric and it's 245 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:53.960 significant, and then hopefully there'll be some voices that have influence if there is 246 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:59.640 a change administration. Yeah, it can turn this around, right and and 247 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:06.200 really focus the most senior leaders into understanding how significant NATO is for the US 248 00:19:06.559 --> 00:19:11.279 in our national security. So, Mick, what are your thoughts on the 249 00:19:11.359 --> 00:19:19.160 recent Biden administration authorization of US built weapons use inside Russian borders and is it 250 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:23.759 I'm reading from what I'm reading it's not as big a deal as people are 251 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:30.240 making it. Then I'm reading in other places that it is a huge sea 252 00:19:30.359 --> 00:19:33.400 change. What are your thoughts on that, Jason, So, I mean, 253 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:37.279 again, it's another one of those hindsight's twenty twenty. I mean, 254 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:41.640 I think I would have pushed, if I was there talking to the President 255 00:19:41.519 --> 00:19:47.480 to give the type of weapons systems that they needed to actually win earlier on. 256 00:19:47.640 --> 00:19:49.640 I understand the balance. We didn't want to We didn't want to push 257 00:19:49.720 --> 00:19:52.960 Russia to the point where they felt it was actually at war with NATO. 258 00:19:53.480 --> 00:19:59.920 But I think by slow roll in that we actually prolonged the conflict itself. 259 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:04.400 And that same thing with the actual use of the weapon systems in Russia. 260 00:20:04.519 --> 00:20:08.799 And to my understanding, unless it's changed, is it's it's mostly you know, 261 00:20:10.039 --> 00:20:12.680 you can respond to the point of origin of an attack into Ukraine, 262 00:20:14.079 --> 00:20:18.079 right so, and most of these attacks are going directly at civilian populations, 263 00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:22.200 so you know, the quickest answer to me was, well, stop shooting 264 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:26.160 freaking cruise missiles at cities and then you wouldn't get you wouldn't get the incoming 265 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:30.039 right. I mean, it seems like that anybody would follow that as a 266 00:20:30.079 --> 00:20:34.160 course of action, and maybe it expands to the beyond that after a while. 267 00:20:34.359 --> 00:20:41.119 If if Russia doesn't change its uh, you know, it's posture on 268 00:20:41.440 --> 00:20:45.839 withdrawing quite frankly, then it should probably increase. But I think it was 269 00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:51.240 it was probably should have happened earlier, but it was a good decision by 270 00:20:51.279 --> 00:20:56.960 the administration to allow them to do MCXINO. If the the British and the 271 00:20:56.000 --> 00:21:06.240 French have put similar restrictions on Ukrainian use of storm Shadow and Scalp missiles in 272 00:21:06.279 --> 00:21:11.960 particular. So I heard, and I do some informal advising with another group 273 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:15.559 of folks to the mod over there. I heard that they don't. The 274 00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:22.160 French don't. That said the same La Pennan interview I just read about support 275 00:21:22.319 --> 00:21:29.160 to NATO said she would not allow them to use French systems at all at 276 00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:36.920 Russia. So that could be going from having the more expanded under mccrone's policy 277 00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:40.720 to be able to do things beyond just what they could do with, at 278 00:21:40.799 --> 00:21:45.279 least on the French side, the French systems to not being able to use 279 00:21:45.279 --> 00:21:48.680 them at all in Russia. So that'll just make ours more important for them 280 00:21:48.680 --> 00:21:52.119 to be able to use absolutely, And I would say, I mean, 281 00:21:52.160 --> 00:21:57.000 if you've read the ten point plan of Zeletski, it's all reasonable, of 282 00:21:57.039 --> 00:22:03.480 course, and it's something I think then hopefully the NATO summit confirms this week. 283 00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:11.240 Yeah, very very heavy emphasis on air defense for obvious reasons. But 284 00:22:11.319 --> 00:22:18.440 I agree with you trip feeding NATO weapon systems or US weapon systems has allowed 285 00:22:18.440 --> 00:22:22.160 the Russians to adapt. That's right. If we would have just looked at 286 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:25.359 it, we could have turned it over the Pentagon as you well know, 287 00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:30.160 Andy had just said what would we do to what would we how would we 288 00:22:30.200 --> 00:22:32.599 plan and what would we need to do this, and then we should have 289 00:22:32.680 --> 00:22:36.920 just supported them based on that, you know what I mean, all these 290 00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:38.640 this is what we need to do it, this is what we're all our 291 00:22:38.680 --> 00:22:42.720 allies, and we're going to find out who's going to participate, and then 292 00:22:42.880 --> 00:22:45.440 this is what they need to get this done. And that should be the 293 00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:49.200 overall campaign one hundred percent instead of constantly saying what do you need? What 294 00:22:49.240 --> 00:22:55.200 do you need? Which changed and and by the time that we could deliver 295 00:22:55.400 --> 00:22:59.759 often their requirements had moved on. You know, there are certain things set 296 00:22:59.799 --> 00:23:04.559 up system like ad offense, like long range precision fiens. But yeah, 297 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:07.400 I think that's a great idea, man, I mean it's a great point. 298 00:23:07.519 --> 00:23:12.039 You know. Let we're providing all this stuff, so let us do 299 00:23:12.200 --> 00:23:17.400 some analysis and help the Ukrainians at the same time, same time and sure 300 00:23:17.519 --> 00:23:22.759 that what we're providing has a definite purpose and is being used in a coherent 301 00:23:22.799 --> 00:23:29.039 way in a coherent campaign exactly. And then the support wherever we can on 302 00:23:29.079 --> 00:23:33.839 the ground, you know, intelligence wise, which whatever they need, right, 303 00:23:34.160 --> 00:23:37.759 because the way to get this done is to win. You know, 304 00:23:37.759 --> 00:23:42.319 what I mean is to push Putin to such a place that he either starts 305 00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:48.039 withdrawing a mass or comes to the table with something that the Ukrainian people can 306 00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:49.480 accept. And it shouldn't be up to them, right, they're the ones, 307 00:23:49.680 --> 00:23:52.000 it's their country, and they're the ones that have been doing all the 308 00:23:52.400 --> 00:23:56.599 fighting and dyeing here. So I mean, I think there are allies, 309 00:23:56.599 --> 00:24:00.519 include the US that support them and what they're willing to have to work to 310 00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:07.279 want to accept. It's the perfect opportunity fore a light touch approach. Right. 311 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:11.799 Unfortunately, we go black and white. We say black or white in 312 00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:15.759 a sense, we say okay, we're either all in boots on the ground 313 00:24:15.799 --> 00:24:21.640 and then we flood the place right or or we restrict it totally. No 314 00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:25.640 one's going in there, no one's cutting, no one's going anywhere near remotely 315 00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:30.319 near the line of fire. And now we've restricted ourselves and cut off all 316 00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:37.519 opportunities for useful use of proxies or in order to you know, to further 317 00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:41.759 our own goals. We we just aren't learning from our from our adversaries. 318 00:24:41.759 --> 00:24:45.000 But and I don't get on the bandwagon, but to your point, yeah, 319 00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:48.079 you know, Meke, I mean, as you know, I mean 320 00:24:48.759 --> 00:24:56.279 a consistent paramilitary presence with sources all the way through would have been enabled a 321 00:24:56.359 --> 00:25:03.279 really consistent and escalating in a good way on the Ukrainian inside campaign. But 322 00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:07.799 I think we really slimied ourselves by having kind of this blanket prohibition of having 323 00:25:08.319 --> 00:25:11.799 USG guys on the ground. And I think we have to re look at 324 00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:22.759 that again that it was an absurd reaction to over perceived risk and it prevented 325 00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:29.119 us from really leveraging to good you know, our special operations forces, as 326 00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:32.240 we keep saying we're going to do, when when push comes to shove, 327 00:25:32.279 --> 00:25:34.000 we pull them all out because we're scared they're going to get hurt. You 328 00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:38.640 know. The same thing goes for agency paramilitaries. Yeah, And I think 329 00:25:38.680 --> 00:25:45.200 that's I mean, one lesson are there's plenty in this conflict, is having 330 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:52.960 that continuous relationship with the Special Operations Community d O d CIA pays off. 331 00:25:52.599 --> 00:26:00.480 Right. These relationships endure. They give us the capacity to not only there 332 00:26:00.680 --> 00:26:07.400 special operations which can sometimes be the and they were the original resistance. Right 333 00:26:07.480 --> 00:26:08.960 when people started going, oh hell, the key V isn't going to fallow 334 00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:11.759 three days, right, that a lot of those guys and now it's the 335 00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:17.480 entire Ukrainian military, but a lot of them at first were the special operations 336 00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:21.480 for US running around with man portable weapons. That we've been with them, 337 00:26:21.519 --> 00:26:26.480 so I think it gives us an inn. It gives us a knowledge of 338 00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:30.880 what's going on and what could happen, and if there is a need to 339 00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:34.359 surge and then fully support a partner force like this, we already have the 340 00:26:34.359 --> 00:26:40.160 framework for it. So and I think we saw that in Ukraine for sure. 341 00:26:40.279 --> 00:26:45.240 And it does quite frankly show whichever adversary decides to tack our partners that 342 00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:48.960 the US is there. You know, one of the not to get off 343 00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:52.880 on a starlets story, but a story that was told to me when I 344 00:26:52.880 --> 00:27:00.640 first got to gb If you think back in the Peloponnesian Wars, the Spartans 345 00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:04.559 and the Athenians had allies all around the Mediterranean, right, and the one 346 00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:11.119 of the Spartan allies was now in Sicily, and they were losing pretty dramatically 347 00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:17.680 to you know Athenian amphibious force that lanted there. And apparently the Spartans only 348 00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:22.519 sent I think five or six dudes, right, and one of them was 349 00:27:22.519 --> 00:27:29.000 a general and you could tell by the way there the main went. And 350 00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:33.519 apparently, according to the person that told me this in gb who like me, 351 00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:37.880 was somewhat of a history unt, when they just saw the Spartans and 352 00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:42.000 their scarlet capes on the on the top, it totally changed the battle, 353 00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:45.279 right. They didn't even know there's only six of them, right, you 354 00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:48.599 know, but they saw them. They said, holy crap, the Spartans 355 00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:53.559 are here, right and and and and I always thought of that when it 356 00:27:53.599 --> 00:28:00.200 comes to especially all US military, but especially the special operations components. Right 357 00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:06.119 there, they have so much more effect on the battlespace than their numbers. 358 00:28:06.680 --> 00:28:10.839 Yeah, so when they look up and they see those you know, green 359 00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:15.519 berets, those seals, those barsok raiders, there's uh even just the rumor 360 00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:22.400 of them right right, It's it's almost like seeing those Spartans on the on 361 00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:26.640 the horizon up on the on the ridge line. I think I think that 362 00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:33.000 does provide a lot of uh power of the United States. That's it's hard 363 00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:41.160 to calculate what it is exponentially. Mick. I hate to bring you back 364 00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:47.880 to an area where you devoted so much of your life, but after after 365 00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:51.720 I'm discussing you know, Ukraine, which is already taught, always tough of 366 00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:56.119 my you know my list, but what about the Middle East? I mean, 367 00:28:56.119 --> 00:28:59.160 can you can you give us just a quick wrap up and solve everything 368 00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:04.200 and say yeah, no, you know you have a few cocktails and you 369 00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:07.240 think you solved that every night and then you can't remember what the answer was, 370 00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:14.359 right, Yeah, So I just got back from there. You know, 371 00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:18.640 I am involved, and I speak for the group I'm part of, 372 00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:23.440 but we are involved in the humanitarian effort in the Gaza, the maritime corridor. 373 00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:30.079 That's very specific. But of course I covered for ABC NonStop. So 374 00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:34.559 I think right now you were seeing Prime Minister Nanya, who's supposed to be 375 00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:37.559 here this month, is gonna be a very pretty busy bunth in DC, 376 00:29:38.440 --> 00:29:41.839 and it looks like he will stop by the White House and then he'll go 377 00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:48.759 give a jointe speech the cars. I think it's become you know, policies 378 00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:53.960 in politics is always somewhat together, but now we're seeing it like essentially completely 379 00:29:55.079 --> 00:30:00.279 merge on both sides. Right, So you have the current Diviiden administration talking 380 00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:07.400 to people like Benny Gantz, who is a more moderate individual who's likely to 381 00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:11.319 be the biggest contender for the Prime Minister against NYA who whenever that happens. 382 00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:15.599 And he's very popular in the US and for good reason. He's a very 383 00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:22.559 competent former a chief of staff of the IDF, General h and was the 384 00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:27.400 defense at to the US from Israel. So there's he's not only known for 385 00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:33.079 his reputation, he's known personally. But so the Divide administration is talking to 386 00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:37.359 him, which obviously doesn't like too much. And now men yeah, is 387 00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:41.559 going to go and obviously talk to senior public leaders on the Hill, and 388 00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:44.960 he's been I think a bit critical, although I don't know if it was 389 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:52.160 warranted on the delivery of weapons ammunitions to Israel at this time. So you're 390 00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:57.759 kind of seeing the politics and policy merge on the on the Gaza side, 391 00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:07.039 I think out of Fortunately, the biggest proponent of a ceasefire in these negotiations 392 00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:12.519 is not one of the components that can actually ultimately make the decision right, 393 00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:17.720 if that makes sense to So it's the US right, the US is at 394 00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:22.000 any means possible passing you in, and I don't disagree with it. It 395 00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:27.359 needs to happen, But there is reasons that Israel, or at least Prime 396 00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:32.480 ministrom Man, Yeah, who will not accept it unless he can be sure 397 00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:37.480 that he can continue the war untill his military objectives are at right, and 398 00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:41.920 there's a reason for Hamas not to accept any ceasefire. They can then be 399 00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:48.000 turned around and they can go back into hostilities. They don't want to give 400 00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:53.160 up any of the hostages. Every time they do they consider that self weak. 401 00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:56.920 And it's pretty clear that a mosque could care less about the civilian population 402 00:31:57.039 --> 00:32:01.640 in Gaza. So it's really just about Amas and Amash leadership. So I 403 00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:07.319 think, even though it's not publicly said that from the Israeli side, they 404 00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:10.359 think they just continue on. They're moving into phase three, you know, 405 00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:16.440 more counterinsurgency centric, that they can just put more pressure directly on the Hamas 406 00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:21.720 leadership, like keep tracking them down, tracking them down, and when they 407 00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:24.839 come close, then all of a sudden you'll see Hamas begging for a seaspire 408 00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:28.880 because that's what they care about, right, So I think that that's what 409 00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:32.440 they think. And then politically they might see a change in administration and believe 410 00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:37.839 that they would have more leeway than they are getting under Biden. And then 411 00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:45.519 how Maas ultimately wants to survive past it into a ceasefire, and by survive 412 00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:47.599 I mean their leadership. I don't think they care too much about their troops, 413 00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:53.160 and they obviously don't care anything about the civilian population there in my opinion, 414 00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:59.519 So what I was going to ask you to what you know, as 415 00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:05.559 we look at this, it just seems insoluble, right, because there's just 416 00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:10.759 no alignment of all interests, even within the Israeli cabinet. But interesting, 417 00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:17.839 the interesting thing I think is that there is a not growing, but it's 418 00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:23.319 already a huge segment of the US I mean, is really population. They've 419 00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:30.720 long been disillusioned but Net and Yahoo and now they see Gance as kind of 420 00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:37.000 their champion with the goal of freeing the hostages. In other words, they 421 00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:42.440 want to see freeing hostages front and center. And now you notice Gance is 422 00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:45.559 kind of talking that way too, right, He's even implicitly criticizing Net and 423 00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:52.640 Yahoo. So I guess my question is what do you think about the prospects 424 00:33:52.680 --> 00:34:00.559 that they're being company internal cabinet who will reshuffle right led by Gance obviously opposed 425 00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:07.519 by Smoldrich and Benabin. We do pay a bit of attention because it does 426 00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:10.320 affect our operations there and I think, you know, if you look at 427 00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:22.599 the recent law adjustment which requires Orthodox to serve and I'm not Asraeli, but 428 00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:27.920 to be frank to see a bunch of older males walking down the street protesting 429 00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:32.639 that they have to be drafted when they have eighteen and nineteen year old kids 430 00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:37.800 that you know, would rather be doing their art. Major men and women, 431 00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:44.000 young men and women being drafted is it's kind of an embarrassment, you 432 00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:46.079 know, like, hey man, I'm not sure why you think you're so 433 00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:52.360 special. And that's what the more important to what Mick thinks, that's what 434 00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:55.519 the Israeli population things right. But apparently this is this has caused a rift 435 00:34:55.760 --> 00:35:01.239 in the far right of the coalition. So if it does cause such a 436 00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:06.960 riff that they it ruptures it, then Prime Minister Danielle will have to stand 437 00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:12.119 for election. And I think just looking at the polls that Benny Gance stands 438 00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:15.199 a very good chance. I'm a I'm not a political anelist in an Israel, 439 00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:17.840 but that's what people and I know I have a lot of is Reeli 440 00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:21.599 friends, as you might guess, and I think they think that's the case, 441 00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:23.199 and they think that they would get a moderate who might help them, 442 00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:30.119 you know when it comes to international support, but also a moderate who has 443 00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:34.360 impeccable credentials as a military leader, which is what they need right now, 444 00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:37.400 because you know, the one thing we haven't talked about yet is potential for 445 00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:44.599 a northern front here right which could could dramatically overwhelm what's happening in Gaza right 446 00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:50.400 now. It could be super substantial and really catastrophic to the region. So 447 00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:53.840 I think they're in the and I think a majority of that really population actually 448 00:35:53.880 --> 00:36:00.440 support that, So it's it's possible that it could happen. Supporting that war 449 00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:04.519 in the north, I mean, yeah, the ground incursion to essentially push 450 00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:10.480 Hesbela back to the the UN resolution seventeen oh the Tanny River, you know. 451 00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:15.440 I mean, it's almost as though it's a FATA complete and both sides 452 00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:20.199 could argue that they're already at war, you know. I mean I was 453 00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:25.280 up in the north last week, I think it was Thursday, and there 454 00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:30.480 was something like two hundred rockets came across it was Wednesday or Thursday, drones 455 00:36:30.519 --> 00:36:34.960 and you could see that, I mean, the fires every you can see 456 00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:38.719 the smoke at least a lot of the fires all along, and sixty thousand 457 00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:45.280 people evacuated, you know, on the Israeli side, and then Hezbolla has 458 00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:52.519 lost nine or ten brigade commander level guys, and then most recently Nasa not 459 00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:58.679 you know, no relation to to Gamal Nasa, but you know, they're 460 00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:01.800 losing some brigadier leadership, and now they're losing some of their guys who are 461 00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:07.360 there at the beginning right right, you know, the old guy from the 462 00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:09.559 early eighties, and there's only about four or five of them left, along 463 00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:16.000 with Nazrala. So it looks almost as though you know that the Israeli government 464 00:37:16.119 --> 00:37:22.280 is pushing, you know, they are. They on one perception, they're 465 00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:25.840 doing this to antagonize the push has ballowed at the point of war. But 466 00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:30.519 other people are saying within the IDF, hey look at the guys we're killing 467 00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:34.880 until Nasa. These are all brigade level guys. They're not top level guys. 468 00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:37.840 It's still we're still playing within the rules of the game. Right, 469 00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:40.679 that's right. So what do you I mean do you think Nazrala, what 470 00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:46.719 do you think I mean? I'm not I'm not suggesting that you're in Nazrula 471 00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:51.440 whisper, although that was your nickname. What do you think? What do 472 00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:52.960 you think he's what do you think he's thinking? Now? What do you 473 00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:58.199 think he wants? You know? I mean, I think there's probably a 474 00:37:58.239 --> 00:38:01.360 lot. Did he take new account? He's thinking? Is Iron really going 475 00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:05.039 to back me if this actually kicks off? Right? Because you know they're 476 00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:09.440 they're like the original proxy group and you know apparently they're gold Star. But 477 00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:13.440 it's pretty clear to me that, I mean, we just saw some pretty 478 00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:17.599 interesting shifts and elections in Iran, right, I don't know, I totally 479 00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:22.840 expected that. Yeah, but yeah, moder it in as the president. 480 00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:27.800 Yeah. Right? So and then if you're in Israla, you're thinking, 481 00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:31.159 Okay, did I pick a fight with the biggest dude on the block, 482 00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:35.920 the block being the Middle East? And then my big brother has decided that 483 00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:38.519 he is not going to come to my support. I mean, there's there's 484 00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:44.400 that, right, yes, And you know they're making all the rhetoric that 485 00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:49.079 there's no rules of engagement, which means they're going to target uh, the 486 00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:52.360 Israeli civilian population, which they have been the entire time. So no news 487 00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:58.599 flash. D I do think the US is doing everything we can to mitigate 488 00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:01.519 this from happening. Part of that is the cease Far and Gaza, right, 489 00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:05.960 So if there's a cease Far and Gaza, it'll probably reduce the tensions 490 00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:10.920 with Hesbel out there. They say so that it will. And then it 491 00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:15.320 really does come down to whether the Israeli population believes it's safe enough to go 492 00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:21.039 back, right, Because I think you said it was around sixty thousand people. 493 00:39:21.079 --> 00:39:25.480 I think that's right that are displaced, and that doesn't necessarily mean Hesbel 494 00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:29.320 has to be pushed back to the Latani. It all depends on what they're 495 00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:32.320 doing, right, So if they're not launching rockets and missiles non stop, 496 00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:37.440 then you know, and the Israeli population believes that they won't start, then 497 00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:42.079 they would be able to go back. If that's the case, this could 498 00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:46.400 be I think avoided. If it's not, then I think from the Israeli 499 00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:50.639 perspective, they're eventually going to have to bite the bullet and do some kind 500 00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:57.159 of ground incursion and that would be bloody ugly for the IDF of course, 501 00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:00.480 and Forsbel, of course, but it also could really I mean, the 502 00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:05.199 precision got ammunitions. You hear different stats. But to say the one hundred 503 00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:09.199 and fifty thousand rockets and missiles stats is accurate, I mean I saw one 504 00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:20.239 I think pretty accurate report that the hesblog could launch three thousand mostly precision guys 505 00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:25.840 mission missiles a day for thirty days. Right. I don't know any air 506 00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:31.760 defense system that could withstand that iron So the US would likely have to get 507 00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:38.599 involved militarily at least to mitigate these threats from the air as soon as that 508 00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:45.039 happens. And this is now more than just a conflict between Israel and Hesbelo. 509 00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:52.639 It could be between Israel, the United States, hesbela Ran and Iran's 510 00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:57.320 you know, could launch all sorts of barrages like they already have. And 511 00:40:57.559 --> 00:41:02.480 you know you're seeing you know, Proxy four is from Pakistan, Afghanistan or 512 00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:07.639 rock Syria, Yemen all saying they're gonna sigh. I don't know what that 513 00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:10.920 means necessarily, but I guess that they needed more fighters they could surge there. 514 00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:15.480 Uh, it would be much more significant. And has book claims they 515 00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:19.599 have one hundred thousand fighters, right, so even if that's exaggerated, it's 516 00:41:19.599 --> 00:41:22.400 certainly much more than a mas at, So it's it would be it would 517 00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:28.440 dwarf the current conflict in Gaza. Uh and it would just add to an 518 00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:32.000 incredibly tense situation in which, you know, Israel could feel like it's completely 519 00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:37.840 up against the ropes at a time when Iran's starts racing toward a getting a 520 00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:42.239 nuclear weapon. So, you know, nothing, nothing that anybody wants to 521 00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:46.280 see in the Middle East. And you mentioned the rockets and missiles, which 522 00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:52.400 has being a problem set that we've all been focused on. Uh No. 523 00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:59.239 I mean, I'm sorry that was very u a lazy collective clicktive now, 524 00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:02.000 but I mean as far as in the special operations community, and you remember, 525 00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:07.320 I mean generally within DoD focused on his balla, but mostly in the 526 00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:14.199 soft community. But now it's not just the rockets and missiles, it's the 527 00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:22.039 drones. And I was just up in Northern Command on Friday talking to They've 528 00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:25.000 got a drone command within Northern Command headed by a Ukrainian guy. I mean 529 00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:31.519 he's Ukrainian Israeli, but he was exo a National Guard unit out in Ukraine. 530 00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:36.599 Anyway, he's a drone expert. He's bringing a lot of the TTPs 531 00:42:36.679 --> 00:42:42.639 from Ukraine in and his concern is this number one and he was very even 532 00:42:42.760 --> 00:42:45.039 in an official interview, you know, on a base he's saying, we're 533 00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:49.239 just not getting resourced. I need more guys, I need this. His 534 00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:53.719 Boller operators are really really good and they're able to operate their drones offline now, 535 00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:59.360 so our GPS jamming that's no good. And they as you know, 536 00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:05.119 rated as far south as south of hyper and not just you know, significant 537 00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:10.840 size rone, so that that huge is a huge concern, just layered on 538 00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:19.760 top of everything else. Two and the Israelis are behind. It's interesting because 539 00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:24.119 they're so far ahead in areas of sophistication and you know, we talk about 540 00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:29.960 well they you know, qualitative military edge, and yet here in a very 541 00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:36.360 key area they as the United States are struggling with a short range air defense 542 00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:40.199 issue and are looking to be overwhelmed. Yes, and if you have a 543 00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:45.599 chance. Ohen West actually has an article on the Wall Street Journal about AI 544 00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:50.719 and drowns. I read that. Yeah, really good. I do think 545 00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:52.599 to your point, Andy, like, one of the things that we can 546 00:43:52.679 --> 00:44:00.760 get out of having our folks in places like Ukraine working at leads in support 547 00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:07.639 of them is to take the new modern cutting edge technology knowledge to be able 548 00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:15.840 to export it to other partners, right, yea, that is critical and 549 00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:22.639 this is a great example to provide drones that are fairly sophisticated but expendable, 550 00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:27.480 blue collar drones, right, you know that, uh, that we can 551 00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:34.000 provide and large enough quantities instead of these thirty million dollar platforms you know, 552 00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:37.639 which we can't give to anyone and we can't even fly when there's an essay 553 00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:40.519 six. Right, that's right, right. Necessity is the mother of invention, 554 00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:45.880 right aristotal I think so if you look at like who is the underdog 555 00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:47.480 in each one of those conflicts, they tend to look for what you're talking 556 00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:53.760 about, really inexpensive but highly innovative means to be able to take it to 557 00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:59.639 the enemy. So in it's the ukraineents, right, they're they're killing you 558 00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:07.519 know, multi million dollar tanks et cetera with relatively inexpensive you know, manipulated 559 00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:14.119 with a commercial drone and you know RPG warhead and what have you. And 560 00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:17.559 that is what Hesbal is going to do to Israel. Right, So we 561 00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:22.719 can take what we learn from being with the Ukrainians to do that on what 562 00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:27.480 the vulnerabilities of those types of things are. So I think that's it's it's 563 00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:30.079 it's it is a reason. One of the reasons, there's many, but 564 00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:31.519 one of the reasons. We have a soakon right, or in my case, 565 00:45:31.559 --> 00:45:37.039 a special activity center that that isn't geographically tied anywhere. So we go 566 00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:40.559 everywhere. We support partners, and we take what we learned or what they 567 00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:45.920 learned from there to our own benefit, to the other, to other partners 568 00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:49.000 that we'd like to see, you know, succeed, which of course should 569 00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:52.039 be all our partners. That's the whole point analysis. I'd love to see 570 00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:59.239 that happen in a more coherent fashion. You know, it's kind of forget 571 00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:04.440 I even said that that was an MPT. Well, we don't even gather 572 00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:08.760 our own lessons learned. But yes, yeah, it's very interesting to see 573 00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:15.039 how tactics have migrated. Ukrainian tactics have migrated, but also Russian tactics have 574 00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:21.320 migrated to Hisboala because the Russians have become a course, very proficient with fpvs, 575 00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:25.039 which are the real front now. And interestingly enough, you know the 576 00:46:25.159 --> 00:46:34.079 Ukrainians talking about training FPV operators and putting them through you know, an initial 577 00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:38.039 selection. I mean, it's making me think this really is going to be 578 00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:45.480 a very important MOS of the future, right an FPV pilot. I mean, 579 00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:49.559 those guys are going to be gold. I hope we're training them. 580 00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:52.719 I hope we're recruiting them right now. But the Israelis have started. His 581 00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:57.800 BOLLA is already way ahead, and of course the Russians in Ukrainians, it's 582 00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:04.440 a major it's an industry down and down to the down to that toss organization 583 00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:07.280 at the squad level. Now they have four drone operators in every squad, 584 00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:12.800 just the way we have, you know whatever, small kinna and two or 585 00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:19.679 three things. That's right, absolutely, so we'll see what I mean, 586 00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:25.719 they're pushing hard for the csfire right now. I think the US does wanted 587 00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:31.840 more than both parties involved. But if it does work for Israel, then 588 00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:37.039 I think we'll see at least the first phase of it, which would be 589 00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:44.000 the hostages, females, non soldier females and the elderly, and I think 590 00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:49.719 the injured will come out first. The IDF will draw from populated centers. 591 00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:53.039 They're already moving into phase three, so it seems like they'd be doing that 592 00:47:53.079 --> 00:47:58.840 anyway. And then of course, from the humanitarians perspective, they would be 593 00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:04.920 more aid coming, which is super important because right now the most if all, 594 00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:10.119 of the two point two million population is in some form of acute food 595 00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:16.639 insecurity and in the north borderline famine, and one of the biggest problems remains 596 00:48:16.880 --> 00:48:23.800 distribution right within within the strip makers as much as as much as bottlenecks on 597 00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:28.920 passage. The real issue is once it gets in, ensuring it goes to 598 00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:32.480 where it's supposed to go. That's right, because whether it comes in from 599 00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:39.119 the maritime means or the ground crossings, when the trucks start moving, they 600 00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:44.679 often don't get to the further away communities because every community has to go through 601 00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:49.400 is also starving, right, So it's it's they're getting right. It's a 602 00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:52.360 problem all across the board. But the easiest way, none of it's easy, 603 00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:55.599 and we take that back. The best way to solve that is to 604 00:48:55.760 --> 00:49:00.719 flood the zone with aid to so that you know, pair can see that, 605 00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:02.320 Okay, there's a lot of food coming in. It's being stored at 606 00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:06.599 these facilities. I'm going to be able to feed my kids tomorrow, so 607 00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:09.079 I'm not going to have to bum bum rush a speeding truck, right, 608 00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:15.320 That's what I think is needed there, and it needs to come from every 609 00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:19.280 direction, you know, ground, eri time and to a certain extent air 610 00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:23.159 although that's really expensive, but it's there's some places up there where there is 611 00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:29.880 the only way to reach it, right. So that's that's what's going on 612 00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:34.199 right now with that, and I certainly hope that if there is a ceasefire, 613 00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:39.559 that there is an opportunity to flood the zone with food and really critical 614 00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:46.280 medicine, because the Moss is obviously a despot, horrible terrorist organization, but 615 00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:52.440 you know, little Kitchen Gaza deserve to be treated with dignity, respect and 616 00:49:52.559 --> 00:50:00.920 certainly get all the things they need for life sustainment. And as every civilian, 617 00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:05.039 they're not just the kids, but they are not. They shouldn't be 618 00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:07.599 part of them the bargain when it comes to this stuff. So if this 619 00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:13.840 ceasefire is implemented and it holds, let's just say a month, two months, 620 00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:19.559 but it's things start heating up in the north with Hesbela and all eyes 621 00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:22.960 start turning north. Do you do you do you put it past the Moss 622 00:50:23.320 --> 00:50:28.639 to stick with that seaspire or take full advantage of the fact that everything is 623 00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:31.280 turned north. That's a good question. Jason, because if you think about 624 00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:36.079 it, I mean, how many people really think that Hamas is going to 625 00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:39.119 have a ceasefire forever? Because I mean their terrorist organization and their primary mission 626 00:50:39.199 --> 00:50:43.280 is to destroy Israel. So if you say we're never going to fight Israel, 627 00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:45.679 and I'm like, what's the perfect point? And I hope they do. 628 00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:47.519 I hope they do. Let's all hope they do. The other part 629 00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:52.559 to that, and the point I think of your question is if if the 630 00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:58.400 IDEF starts tracking Hesbel Hesbal is going to be like, hey, guys, 631 00:50:58.719 --> 00:51:02.320 you need to create something down and the down in Gaza to kind of distract 632 00:51:02.559 --> 00:51:07.280 or at least add to the plate of the IDF. If you hold the 633 00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:14.440 seasfire and they're allowed to basically steak a knee in Gaza and just focused on 634 00:51:14.559 --> 00:51:20.280 Hezbola, then I think Hesbela will expect Hamas to do something and that maybe 635 00:51:20.360 --> 00:51:23.079 that that actually breaks the ceasefire. I don't know. Hopefully that's not the 636 00:51:23.159 --> 00:51:25.840 case, but I think there'll be a lot of pressure, and it might 637 00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:30.960 be pressure exerted by or On too, and also that I guess, sorry, 638 00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:35.599 the offset offshoot question would be if that does happen, can the idea 639 00:51:35.679 --> 00:51:38.559 sustain that, you know, operations in the north and then having to turn 640 00:51:38.639 --> 00:51:45.559 right back south again. Good question. Right, it's not just the idef 641 00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:50.039 and its current capacity. But they rely heavily like we do when they go 642 00:51:50.119 --> 00:51:53.119 to war on reserves, right, I think. And you just got back 643 00:51:53.159 --> 00:51:57.519 there. Half the bartenders you talked to over there just got back from Coza, 644 00:51:57.920 --> 00:52:01.920 right. So it's they're just and it's an incredibly resilient culture in the 645 00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:07.280 sense that you know, it's life is normal in most parts of Tel Aviv 646 00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:12.039 and half those guys just got back from in gals just got back from from 647 00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:15.559 God. But that's very difficult to sustain. It has a huge impact on 648 00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:21.760 their economy, on all these young people's you know, lives. It's one 649 00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:23.679 thing to be called up and go spend six months, and then to be 650 00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:29.119 called up again and again and again. It's very disruptive. Right. They 651 00:52:29.199 --> 00:52:34.960 have mandatory service and a lot of them had already done it. So it's 652 00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:39.039 it's both a capacity, like straight out capacity militarily, but it's also political 653 00:52:39.079 --> 00:52:43.280 because it's a democracy. Eventually people be like, we have to go back 654 00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:45.320 to our lives, and in the business people are like, we have to 655 00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:49.679 get these people back to work. I'm just going to say, I was 656 00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:52.760 just thinking, like, what if that eighteen or that nineteen twenty year old 657 00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:55.599 kids who's done two pumps, you know, two tours up in the north 658 00:52:55.719 --> 00:52:59.920 end in the south. What if he says, I'm not going I've done, 659 00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:05.239 not knowing what happens, right, and the irony there not to get 660 00:53:05.320 --> 00:53:07.679 two twelve into their politics or this change we talked about. It is a 661 00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:14.119 lot of these far right folks that quite frankly are pushing for no cease fire 662 00:53:14.239 --> 00:53:19.559 and new fronts are the very people that aren't required to serve right. So 663 00:53:20.119 --> 00:53:22.039 you know from that eighteen nineteen year old kids just wants to go be a 664 00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:27.400 music major at the University of Tel Aviv or something. This is starting to 665 00:53:27.400 --> 00:53:30.960 get frustrating. And I don't say that as just a guess. I've talked 666 00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:35.960 to them, right, but I'm there and they fully support their country. 667 00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:39.679 Obviously, I all want their hostages back, as everybody should, but they're 668 00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:45.639 starting to see this as an uneven obligation. I think, not not to 669 00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:49.280 speak for every one of them, but that's a consistent theme. They didn't 670 00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:52.639 seem to have any problems serving but if this gets drug out, they're going 671 00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:58.280 to want to see a lot more people serving and not just them. Yeah, 672 00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:02.480 Mick, tell us where we can find you. Tell us about the 673 00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:07.880 Lobo Institute everything you guys are working on. Oh yeah, So the Lobo 674 00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:15.239 Institute is essentially an association with people that have worked in the conflicts sphere, 675 00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:19.639 from the military, from the intelligence, but also from you know, the 676 00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:24.079 U N and from the Peace Corps to Edgio's and we've done things like we've 677 00:54:24.119 --> 00:54:28.400 worked for the UN and Yemen. We've for the State Department on a manditarian 678 00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:34.760 issue in Afghanistan. We're doing this Humanitarian Corps or for a group called fog 679 00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:37.360 BO. We do a lot of those type of things. And that's that's 680 00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:43.119 And we also have an NGO that deals with the use of ending the use 681 00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:46.159 of children as soldiers and we just had a we had a documentary on that. 682 00:54:46.920 --> 00:54:50.199 I should go find the book and do a shameless plug, but I 683 00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:54.679 don't have it here. It's there. That was an author here in Montana, 684 00:54:55.440 --> 00:55:00.800 a great author wrote a book on it. And it's helping funder NGO, 685 00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:02.960 which is called in Old Soldier. So that's I mean, in a 686 00:55:04.039 --> 00:55:08.360 nutshell and we do task the training which keeps us engaged with socom up here 687 00:55:08.440 --> 00:55:12.519 in Montana, which is, I have to say, one of the most 688 00:55:12.599 --> 00:55:15.000 fun things we do. And as you guys might notice, it seems like 689 00:55:15.079 --> 00:55:21.519 those guys just keep getting younger and younger. So we do. We're across 690 00:55:21.559 --> 00:55:27.320 the board, but we primarily focus on humanitarian issues and conflict. Sounds great. 691 00:55:27.400 --> 00:55:30.239 Yeah, I'm gonna throw the link in the description for the Lobo Institute 692 00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:37.840 excellent boys. Anything else? Andy, Oh, that's as always spak Brady, 693 00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:43.440 having you on Mick and chatting with all of you guys. Don't forget 694 00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:47.119 to check out the Lobo Institute obviously. Also check out our Patreon, Patreon, 695 00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:50.239 dot com, Slash the team house, help Sport, the show, 696 00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:54.960 Andy Milburn, Colonel Andy Milburn, his substack, his Twitter. All the 697 00:55:55.000 --> 00:55:59.000 links are into the description, so check them out there. Thank you guys, 698 00:55:59.559 --> 00:56:01.679 by mine appreciate it. And his book of course, his book is 699 00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:06.880 great. Yeah, thanks everyone, Thanks again. Mick, And well maybe 700 00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:12.480 we'll do an eyes On reunion but coming up on our what is it now? 701 00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:16.960 Eight months? Seven months? The reunion and Whitefish. Yeah, that'd 702 00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:22.159 be great. They just plan here. Uh, let me talk to the 703 00:56:22.239 --> 00:56:27.159 Boss de Tacos, and he's trying to spend our travel budget. He's doing 704 00:56:27.519 --> 00:56:30.079 He's an asshole, but I may be able. We could do a live 705 00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:36.119 the f W man. Yeah, probably know this place is packed full of 706 00:56:36.239 --> 00:56:43.440 veterans, right, especially some folks like if there's not you probably want to 707 00:56:43.480 --> 00:56:49.199 get the white Fish on Nicer than POxy New York. Okay, right, 708 00:56:51.000 --> 00:56:52.360 all right, thanks guys,