1 00:00:15,679 --> 00:00:22,519 What is krak a Lakin Fellow Thermonuclear A evers. I am a thoroughly unwell 2 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,719 Dan Valley coming at you live for the first time I think in like six 3 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,239 months or something. I don't know what. The last live podcast we did 4 00:00:29,359 --> 00:00:35,439 was with my certified fantabulous and Thermo Nuclear AF co host mister Grant Hughes, 5 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:41,600 who has apparently sired the next Dion Sanders of multi sport athletes before they I 6 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,560 don't know which pro level Mac is going to eventually reach, but I expect 7 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,640 him to be in baseball, football, basketball, or maybe pro CrossFit. 8 00:00:47,679 --> 00:00:51,520 At this point, we're here to talk Pascal Siakam. He was traded to 9 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:56,560 the Indiana Pacers. We'll get into everything, the trade details, the fallout 10 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,079 for the Pacers, the Raptors, the Pelicans were involved a little bit on 11 00:01:00,799 --> 00:01:03,520 all that stuff, maybe some other teams that are impacted. But first, 12 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:07,560 Grant, how are you doing. I'm very well. I'm glad that you're 13 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:14,040 upright, you know, in a non laid down, laid out horizontal position. 14 00:01:15,719 --> 00:01:17,640 You know what I should have said, I should have said better than 15 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:22,239 you are, that that would have been the correct COVID still sucks for anyone 16 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,680 that's just like, man, the amount of weight I lost over the course 17 00:01:25,719 --> 00:01:29,400 of basically thirty six hours. As someone who anyone who listen to this podcast 18 00:01:29,439 --> 00:01:34,239 knows that I was already unhealthily skinny because of going through a bodybuilding prep. 19 00:01:34,519 --> 00:01:37,959 It was honestly impressive that I had that much weight to still lose. But 20 00:01:38,599 --> 00:01:41,799 I took a picture. It wasn't pretty like it was like kind of like 21 00:01:41,879 --> 00:01:44,319 Christian Bale and whatever that movie was where it looked like he was eating. 22 00:01:45,239 --> 00:01:48,959 Yeah, you're the machine. We really let's really try hard to get your 23 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,000 new nickname to be the machinist. Oh please, No, So I'm a 24 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,799 little bit more moonfaced now after eating some actual food, but it still lingers. 25 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,480 So COVID sucks was the moral of the story. But trades do not. 26 00:01:59,719 --> 00:02:01,599 It is trade season. I did want to ask you really quickly as 27 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:06,599 we let some listeners straggle in here, do you remember the last time we 28 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,400 had before like basically three weeks before the deadline, and we've already had three 29 00:02:10,439 --> 00:02:15,919 blockbusters on the year. There's the annual James Harden blockbuster that happens at the 30 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:20,400 beginning, and then we've had Ogiannoobi the Knicks now Pascal Siakam to the Raptors. 31 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,599 I know it's very intimately one team was dictating a lot of this, 32 00:02:23,719 --> 00:02:27,680 But I'm trying to think of just where there was this much activity, so 33 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,639 like, this much important activity so far in advance of the deadline. Yeah 34 00:02:31,759 --> 00:02:36,039 no, I mean, you know, and listeners probably do that. My 35 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,159 brain doesn't work without like a prompt. So unless you said, unless you 36 00:02:38,199 --> 00:02:40,319 gave me like a trigger to be like, oh, yeah, this trade 37 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:46,400 happened, you know, way before the deadline. I don't think I nothing 38 00:02:46,439 --> 00:02:50,919 comes to mind because usually just thinking back about like you know, it feels 39 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,639 like a thousand years ago. But you know, in the off season when 40 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,879 Kevin Kevin Durant wants out and these are the teams he's willing to go to, 41 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,439 and then Nope, didn't trade him in the off season, and then 42 00:03:00,759 --> 00:03:04,039 nope, didn't trade him until the death. Like it just this doesn't happen. 43 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,360 So every time we get past the December fifteenth deadline, where guys that 44 00:03:07,439 --> 00:03:09,879 signed are eligibly be traded, you know, there's this in there's this I 45 00:03:09,879 --> 00:03:15,759 don't know what the you know, an influx maybe or like a rising tide 46 00:03:15,759 --> 00:03:20,800 of like trade content that everybody has to do, and then invariably we're all 47 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,360 reminded of some of you know the fact that like there's only been one or 48 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:29,120 there's two trades in the last like fourteen years that happened between December fifteenth and 49 00:03:29,159 --> 00:03:31,960 the trade deadline. So it's like it never happens except now that this, 50 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:37,479 now this does happen. So it's nice because at least we don't have to 51 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,639 just continue to wait and wait and wait until you know, the first week 52 00:03:39,639 --> 00:03:44,080 of February to really start talking about stuff. So we got yeah, you 53 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,879 said it three, right, We've had three significant you know, not Anionobe's 54 00:03:47,919 --> 00:03:52,599 not an all star, but you know he's really substantial out in New York. 55 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:53,919 Yeah, maybe he will be. But yeah, we've got three big 56 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:58,120 trades to talk about. So and the biggest is Pascal Siakam is an Indiana 57 00:03:58,159 --> 00:04:00,319 Pacer. So yeah, let's get to trade details on this, and I'll 58 00:04:00,319 --> 00:04:03,120 throw it to you for your initial thoughts and also so that you can speak 59 00:04:03,159 --> 00:04:08,960 to the kids while why promo this on the Twitter machine? The Pacers get 60 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:14,400 Pascal Siakam and the New Orleans Pelicans were involved in this. They initially sent 61 00:04:15,039 --> 00:04:17,480 and this is I'll get to my note on this in a second before I 62 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,560 throw to you. But the New Orleans Pelicans sent a second round pick and 63 00:04:20,759 --> 00:04:25,399 Kyle Lewis Junior to the Pacers, who had cap space. This gets New 64 00:04:25,439 --> 00:04:28,079 Orleans out of the tacks. That was just a trade, not this exact 65 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,639 move, but that felt fate, a complete New New Orleans was gonna do 66 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,680 it. The Pacers then turned around and traded Bruce Brown, Jordan Warra three 67 00:04:33,759 --> 00:04:39,360 first round picks their own this year. And then it's basically it's the lesser 68 00:04:39,399 --> 00:04:44,199 of four teams Utah, Houston, Los Angeles Clippers, and Oklahoma City Thunder. 69 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,879 It's the Thunder or the Clippers that matter most. It's gonna be a 70 00:04:46,879 --> 00:04:49,120 bottom five first round pick probably in this year's draft, on top of their 71 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:53,199 own. And then a twenty twenty six first round pick. So Bruce Brown, 72 00:04:53,519 --> 00:04:59,199 Jordan Warra a three first round picks and Kyle Lewis Junior headed to Toronto. 73 00:04:59,399 --> 00:05:01,680 And that first round pick in twenty twenty six is top four protected, 74 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,959 I believe. So I think that was good to get some protections on that. 75 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:10,079 If you're Indie who's a pretty risk averse franchise. The thing I wanted 76 00:05:10,079 --> 00:05:12,199 to say before I threw it to you, because this is more about the 77 00:05:12,199 --> 00:05:15,199 off season. Kevin Pritchard, Immediately, I know this trade is gonna have 78 00:05:15,199 --> 00:05:18,279 a lot to do with It needs to be in the running for Executive of 79 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,279 the Year because of just looking at the steps that got them here. As 80 00:05:21,319 --> 00:05:26,519 you use your touch space facilitated all of this. So what you're able to 81 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,079 do is you turned Bruce Brown into a human trade exception essentially because of that 82 00:05:30,199 --> 00:05:32,680 huge contract with the team option, and so you're able to send him out 83 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,079 in this deal. What you were also able to do with your remaining cap 84 00:05:35,079 --> 00:05:39,639 space was take on Kyra Lewis Junior, and so there are two benefits to 85 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:43,680 doing that is that you can then reaggregate him because you weren't over the cap 86 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,040 after trade. I saw some confusion on this on Twitter, but they were 87 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,160 under the cap, so they were able to reaggregate him with these other guys. 88 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,399 Here's what that did under the new trade rules. It got them to 89 00:05:53,399 --> 00:05:58,199 the Pascal Siakam number without including an Obi Toppin or Andrew Nemhard or Jalen Smith 90 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,839 or somebody else. If you look at this salary, going out now under 91 00:06:00,879 --> 00:06:03,839 these current trade rules where they can take back one hundred and twenty five percent 92 00:06:04,079 --> 00:06:08,360 plus two hundred and fifty k of the salary, it would not have worked 93 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:13,600 under the old trade rules. And so that's just a really good process by 94 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,480 the front office. Regardless of what you think of Siakam's fit, what the 95 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,240 other value they gave up to get him, you have to kind of pat 96 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:23,000 the PACER's runt office on the back for this one, to where not only 97 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,199 were they able to structure it where they didn't give up either of their two 98 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:30,560 blue chip prospects and Ben mcmather and Jarris Walker, but they were actively able 99 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,639 to keep guys who you know, Jalen Smith and Andrew Demhart specifically are important 100 00:06:33,639 --> 00:06:35,560 to them. I don't know how they feel about Obi Top and he's been 101 00:06:35,639 --> 00:06:39,319 hit in his threes lately, so there's that to think about. But so 102 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,720 I wanted to shout out the Pacers's front office for that. I thought that 103 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:46,639 was a really good process of events for them that led them here. Yeah, 104 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:48,839 I mean, just going back to the Brown, the Bruce Brown piece 105 00:06:48,879 --> 00:06:53,879 of it, I don't I don't think you could really find anybody that thought 106 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,240 that was a bad signing at the outset, and it was because you know, 107 00:06:57,439 --> 00:06:59,800 well, one, he's going to come in and he started all thirty 108 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,040 three games he played for the Pacers and was a helpful player, you know, 109 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,439 a good you know, good two way guy. And then he's valuable 110 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:11,399 in that sense. He's valuable as a as like a potential expiring piece to 111 00:07:11,439 --> 00:07:13,800 trade. He's valuable. I mean, like I would say, you know, 112 00:07:13,879 --> 00:07:16,720 from Toronto's perspective, you would look at Bruce Brown as like we could 113 00:07:16,759 --> 00:07:19,480 either It's kind of the same thing as Indiana thought about him, like he 114 00:07:19,519 --> 00:07:23,040 could just be a piece that we keep. We don't have to, we 115 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,639 have the team option, but as a trade chip. Now, like that's 116 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,800 a twenty two million dollar guy you can send out to a team that wants 117 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,040 to cut that much off of the next year's cap, and like, so 118 00:07:33,319 --> 00:07:36,120 you know, you might get another first if you're Toronto for him potentially if 119 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:40,680 there's a team that really wants to to to just you know, play the 120 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,439 cap savings game. So yeah, really well done by the Pacers. I 121 00:07:44,439 --> 00:07:50,519 think zooming out a little bit like this, So the package that it took 122 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:55,120 to get you know, just putting aside, how shrewdly done. It was 123 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:59,839 by the pacers. It's it's difficult to really analyze like how well did Indiana 124 00:07:59,879 --> 00:08:03,399 do here and how well did Toronto do just because the one variable we don't 125 00:08:03,439 --> 00:08:07,920 one hundred percent know And maybe there's been maybe you've seen more, you know, 126 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:11,759 concrete reporting on this, we don't know for sure, like was Toronto 127 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,360 gonna just lose Siakam? Like was there a chance that they were gonna re 128 00:08:16,439 --> 00:08:20,199 sign him in free agency? How much of an assurance did Indie get that 129 00:08:20,279 --> 00:08:24,319 Siakam will stay? Like because it was just a flat and no for everybody 130 00:08:24,319 --> 00:08:26,879 for a minute there, and then reporting came out subsequently that suggested like, 131 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:28,959 oh, he's pretty happy about it. He might, you know, he'll 132 00:08:28,959 --> 00:08:33,440 resign. What's that gonna cost? We just don't know those variables, so 133 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:37,080 it's hard for me to really form Like if you're asking me to grade the 134 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,159 trade, I would have a hard time doing that just not knowing what those 135 00:08:39,279 --> 00:08:43,679 what that variable is. I take it you weren't tasked with grading the trade 136 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,120 in the AFTERMA I was not. I would not asked with that. I 137 00:08:46,159 --> 00:08:48,480 probably would have come up with something, but I think I would have like 138 00:08:48,639 --> 00:08:52,759 hedged and couched as much as possible just to you know, breaking news. 139 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,639 As part of this trade, the Raptors just waived Christian Cloco. This is 140 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:01,279 why we waited until ten forty in Eastern Times. We needed to know who 141 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,879 was getting way for the Raptors as part of this. So yeah, Christian 142 00:09:05,919 --> 00:09:09,720 Quioco out. So I guess, like, let me ask you, do 143 00:09:09,759 --> 00:09:13,360 you have a stronger feeling on like you know, if you were grading it, 144 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,399 how you would look at it for Indiana? I mean, I think 145 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,200 it's like, Lookkam was Indiana was my Siakam team just because I thought of 146 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,799 the possible places he could go, he made the most sense from an on 147 00:09:24,919 --> 00:09:28,559 court fit perspective, from can they resign him? Do they have the resources 148 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,759 to do it? Like the Pacers were the team I thought he should go 149 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,440 to. And I think the package that he gave up, like at least 150 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,639 two of those picks are gonna be in the twenties and who know, you 151 00:09:37,639 --> 00:09:39,240 know, so like they're not giving up these premium assets. You didn't have 152 00:09:39,279 --> 00:09:41,679 to give up a core piece. So like, I think it's just an 153 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,639 objectively above average I don't know how much above average is it to be? 154 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,440 Is it an a mins for the Pacers, and then I think it's also 155 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,159 good for Toronto. But that all depends on the assumption that you weren't gonna 156 00:09:52,159 --> 00:09:54,519 be able to keep him. You did this instead of losing him for nothing 157 00:09:54,639 --> 00:09:58,679 or paying him more than you wanted to do. You have a stronger reaction 158 00:09:58,759 --> 00:10:01,960 that doesn't have like all the caveats that I do just relate as to not 159 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:07,200 knowing what's gonna happen with Siacam's next deal. Yeah, so I think one 160 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:11,480 I think we kind of know what's gonna happen with Siakam's next deal is that 161 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:15,279 he's going to stay in Indiana and it's going to be for all over close 162 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,279 to the four year max, and his four year max is one hundred and 163 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:24,120 ninety point eight million dollars. I think now that whole conversation I think impacts 164 00:10:24,159 --> 00:10:28,159 how you feel about this for the Raptors, because did you think that they 165 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,120 didn't want to resign him, did they not even offer the extension? Did 166 00:10:31,159 --> 00:10:33,120 he not want to be there? I think it was clear that he just 167 00:10:33,159 --> 00:10:37,679 wanted the most money possible. Per the reporting, just for the telegraphing of 168 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,279 it, I'm tend to be more comfortable with paying Siakam the max for the 169 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:46,639 next four seasons than a lot of other people. Runs through he's twenty nine. 170 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:48,960 Now, I think he turns thirty soon. But this is age twenty 171 00:10:48,039 --> 00:10:52,519 nine season, right, So I'll pay him through his age thirty three season, 172 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,000 no problem. Now, if he wants a fifth year, you're definitely 173 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,320 gonna want him to take a discount off the top of it. Yeah, 174 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:00,799 so this is age twenty nine season because paying him through age third before certainly 175 00:11:01,159 --> 00:11:03,519 a risk. And so you did give up three first round picks for the 176 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,559 right to pay Pascal Siakam, but like you weren't gonna get him anyway. 177 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,120 And so a lot of people saying, well, Indy could have just signed 178 00:11:09,159 --> 00:11:11,240 him in free agency, and the answers, no, they couldn't have, 179 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,759 because you know what would have happened. He either won, would have went 180 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:18,320 somewhere else because Indy doesn't bag these types of free agents. I'm sorry, 181 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,159 it just it doesn't happen. Or two, he would have been traded elsewhere 182 00:11:20,159 --> 00:11:24,799 and they would have resigned him. Because everything that we have heard is that 183 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,679 Pascal Siakam wanted to get his most money possible, and this whole all NBA 184 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,480 making that qualifying for the Supermax, knowing the Raptors were never gonna give it 185 00:11:31,519 --> 00:11:33,320 to him. It was just kind of like, well, what are you 186 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,720 doing. I don't think he was married to staying in Toronto. I think 187 00:11:35,759 --> 00:11:39,240 people took that narrative swung it way out of control. I don't really know 188 00:11:39,279 --> 00:11:43,759 when on behind the scenes between him and MASSI I will say that he owed 189 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,600 nothing to the franchise. He had a game winning shot for the title. 190 00:11:46,799 --> 00:11:50,240 He's made all NBA teams plural, and it wasn't his job to help you 191 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:54,000 find a move that brought back immediate players, which it seems like the Raptors 192 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,919 were more interested in. And then maybe they have the opportunity to use Bruce 193 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:01,759 Brown's quote unquote expiring salary go out and now get someone else if they want 194 00:12:01,799 --> 00:12:05,399 to, or you know, kind of change alter the course of the franchise 195 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,000 even more so. I love this for the Pacers from the two perspectives of 196 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:13,559 you didn't give up any Bruce Brown was helping you now, But that is 197 00:12:13,639 --> 00:12:16,240 just like you can go out now you still have the assets and the salary 198 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:20,480 matching without giving up Buddy heel to say go get a Royce O'Neal, and 199 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,559 did we just approximate seventy percent of what Bruce Brown was doing for us? 200 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,600 So I love that you didn't give up any long term tangible equity. Where 201 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,759 if you really are high on Jaris Walker, I don't particularly love Bennetcmathern or 202 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,919 Jarres Walker, to be honest, they might be really good. The Pacers 203 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,120 know way more about them than I do. So if you're really married to 204 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,320 those guys and think they can help soon and bennetc. Mathn of course is 205 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:45,840 already helping. To not give either of them up is a massive win, 206 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,559 and he is just I think Siakam's a perfect fit. And I'm colored a 207 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,799 little bit now. I listened to Samson Folk and Kitlin Cooper rap about this, 208 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,840 so I could they were so smart. Go check out that podcast on 209 00:12:54,879 --> 00:12:58,200 the Raptors Republic that they did. But even just if you zoom out of 210 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,600 the particulars of what happens when teams try to blitz Tyre's halibert now and pass 211 00:13:01,639 --> 00:13:05,279 boll, Siakram's there the minutes without Tyres Haliburt and get more palatable at both 212 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:09,480 ends of the floor. Miles Turner's job on defense get a lot easier. 213 00:13:09,519 --> 00:13:13,000 Everyone just says, oh, he's been worse this year. Okay, fine, 214 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,399 look at what he's like. He's trying to put out like five alarm 215 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,200 infernos every five seconds. That's why he's probably been been worse. Him and 216 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:22,320 Siakam complement each other nicely, their insurance against one another. To Turner is 217 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,919 going to be in the final year of his deal next season, and so 218 00:13:24,919 --> 00:13:28,360 if he leaves or you decide that this is financially untenable, that's okay, 219 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:33,200 Like Siakam can slide up my concern for the Pacers since I think it's probably 220 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,759 best to stick with them for now. You and I both said they need 221 00:13:35,799 --> 00:13:39,279 to skew more three to four than four or five. And I do still 222 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,799 view Siakam, even though he's defended smaller or prefers to defense malls, as 223 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,159 more of the four or five than three to four end of the spectrum. 224 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:50,159 However, because he's done a good job against some of those they're not wing 225 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:54,639 matchups, but they're like they're like combo forward matchups. Yeah, it makes 226 00:13:54,639 --> 00:13:58,080 me feel better. And then also you have Aaron N. Smith and you 227 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,679 got to keep Andrew Nemhart as well, that makes it even more palatable to 228 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,480 me, and just to see him and Tyrese Haliburton both play together, and 229 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:09,159 then what Siakam can do independently away from Haliburton and quietly by the way, 230 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:15,320 this like if Siakam continues to shoot even league average from three, he's been 231 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,960 on fire for like over a month now from deep, the Pacers just have 232 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:22,039 this access again to all these wild five out lineups where you have think of 233 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:26,679 the lineup of Nie Smith, Haliburton, Turner, Siakam and Buddy Healed. 234 00:14:26,879 --> 00:14:31,519 How do you defend that lineup? Yeah, no, I think I guess, 235 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:37,279 like I just I'm trying to think of, well, like how high 236 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,440 is the upside now, because you know defense is the issue for this team. 237 00:14:39,519 --> 00:14:48,159 I guess you say you would say that, you know, like one 238 00:14:48,159 --> 00:14:52,080 of the big benefits. I think you mentioned it. I'm sure Caitlin and 239 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,840 Samson talked about it. But like you can put Tyree's Haliburton off the ball 240 00:14:54,919 --> 00:14:58,639 once in a while now, which was just like that's not really something that 241 00:14:58,679 --> 00:15:01,799 happens a whole lot with the less teams are denying it to him, and 242 00:15:01,799 --> 00:15:03,679 then you're just kind of like shit out of luck. On that one, 243 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:09,759 right, so like you do is definitely over burdened as a primary creator, 244 00:15:09,799 --> 00:15:15,000 but as like a change up with you know, he's not he's not gonna 245 00:15:15,039 --> 00:15:16,919 have to score all on his own all the time, and the way that 246 00:15:16,919 --> 00:15:20,720 that might unleash another side. I mean, I don't know how much you 247 00:15:20,759 --> 00:15:22,320 really want to take the ball out of Tyre's Haliburn's hands. It might be 248 00:15:22,399 --> 00:15:26,159 kind of like just almost literally anything else you do is worse than that. 249 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:30,320 But just as another off gave him and I'm sorry interject, but like, 250 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:35,399 does it make him less of a sieve on defense if his offensive usage is 251 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:41,159 streamlined to the point of not exhaustion? Maybe yeah, I mean, I 252 00:15:41,159 --> 00:15:43,320 mean it's one of like it sounds like a dick thing to say, like 253 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,960 can't be a lot worse, So like it might, it might get better. 254 00:15:46,559 --> 00:15:52,320 But defensively, like Nie Smith, Siakam Miles Turner as you're three four 255 00:15:52,399 --> 00:15:56,159 five, like that's a that's a stout defensive. You know, that's sixty 256 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:00,000 percent of your you know, first unit that can guard. And if the 257 00:16:00,039 --> 00:16:03,000 Pacers, you know, they're gonna score. If we start talking about a 258 00:16:03,039 --> 00:16:07,639 defense that climbs up towards I don't know, like twelfth eleventh like something. 259 00:16:07,679 --> 00:16:11,120 I mean, that might be really over selling it, but like then we're 260 00:16:11,159 --> 00:16:15,600 really now, it's now they're more than just this is a fun team that 261 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:21,399 is exciting, but nobody's gonna really be all that concerned about playing against them 262 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:25,720 in a playoff series for example, that takes them to that turns them into 263 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,600 something quite a bit different. I think, so given that, I guess 264 00:16:29,679 --> 00:16:33,080 like I'm just kind of trying to like talk myself and circles into a conclusion 265 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,799 on it. I think like given that the Siaka move makes that the potential 266 00:16:36,879 --> 00:16:40,600 upside, then it's like an I think it's a good trade almost no matter 267 00:16:40,639 --> 00:16:42,799 what. But like with that as the as the possible ceiling, like that's 268 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,960 very exciting for Indiana. Do you want to pivot? Do you have more 269 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,320 thoughts on the Pacers because the Toronto side of this, I think we should 270 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:52,159 discuss a little bit too. Right, for sure, they might be just 271 00:16:52,159 --> 00:16:56,039 the more fascinating because the Pacers were the team for Siaka. It was it 272 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:00,080 almost feels like the Raptors were waiting to see if Ina would get more desperate 273 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,000 as the season went on, and it kind of went the other way where 274 00:17:03,039 --> 00:17:06,599 they pivoted out of the sweep stakes. But the only question I would have 275 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:10,359 left for Indiana you already mentioned it would be what is their ceiling with this 276 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,480 duo and this exact roster? Now do you kind of pencil them in? 277 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:15,960 Is? And it's twofold because I have an additional add on to it is 278 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:18,480 do you just pencil them in a is? Like? Okay, well, 279 00:17:18,559 --> 00:17:21,880 now the top six in the East, once Cleveland gets their guys back, 280 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:23,680 it's just kind of set. We know what it is now because of this 281 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:27,960 this trade too, though, what else do you think? Like? What 282 00:17:29,079 --> 00:17:30,680 are they short? And is it you know? We have someone in the 283 00:17:30,759 --> 00:17:34,039 chat asking if you want your comment posted, I'll be happy to post it. 284 00:17:34,079 --> 00:17:37,319 You can throw in a super chat or something, but we will answer 285 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:38,920 questions if I see them pop up on my screen. We have a question, 286 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,880 how do you feel about jarss Walker eventually sliding to the three? I'll 287 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,599 be interested if this impacts you know, as of right now, the makeup 288 00:17:45,599 --> 00:17:48,119 of this team was suggestible. He's gonna get even less minutes with the real 289 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,599 club this season. But what do you think this team is still missing? 290 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:53,880 Is it that because you already mentioned Nie Smith. So is it just well, 291 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,880 now it's do you need to replace Bruce Brown? Or is it we 292 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:00,200 have Buddy Heald and Benne mcmather and Andrew Nemhard. What is the like the 293 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:07,000 top like this top seven of dis rotation right now is just incredibly incredibly cantilizing. 294 00:18:07,519 --> 00:18:10,799 And so where are you on on that stuff? That's a yeah, 295 00:18:10,839 --> 00:18:15,240 I don't know. I guess my gut, my knee jerk reaction is because 296 00:18:15,279 --> 00:18:18,200 you look at what the starting five is gonna be now, it's probably Buddy 297 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,359 Healed is gonna start. I mean he's started nineteen of the forty games he's 298 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:25,359 played so far. Matherin had a crack at it to start the year. 299 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,000 I'm not in love with either of those two because they they're very much one 300 00:18:29,039 --> 00:18:32,759 way guys. So I guess, you know, other than like Nemhard, 301 00:18:32,839 --> 00:18:36,000 I guess could guard some twos, but he's a one to two defender. 302 00:18:37,079 --> 00:18:40,359 I think I would disagree. I feel like he can defend like some threes 303 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,920 in fours. Well do you think so? So what I was gonna say 304 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:48,319 is like it feels to me like it's a like a a wing you could 305 00:18:48,319 --> 00:18:51,519 put on the on the floor to close the game, Like if you could 306 00:18:51,559 --> 00:18:53,359 have an Aaron Smith clone, awesome, we'll take one of those. But 307 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:57,119 someone that's not like Buddy Heeld's gonna get hunted, Matherin's gonna get hunted. 308 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,799 I guess Nemhard would not. But do you want to play them hard in 309 00:19:00,839 --> 00:19:06,920 closing lineups over or Matherin? Like so I get that's my first reaction. 310 00:19:07,039 --> 00:19:10,680 Is someone like a little you know, just Nie Smith sized, I guess, 311 00:19:10,799 --> 00:19:12,839 or even a little bigger that you could have like a two way threat. 312 00:19:12,839 --> 00:19:15,960 But like we do this all the time, like every team needs one 313 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,880 more or four more of those guys, right like when we talk about Boston, 314 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,240 you know, Boston really needs another big wing that could you know, 315 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:26,400 like that kind of thing. But that's that's that's the one that jumps out 316 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:30,279 to me. The other thing I guess you could say is like like real 317 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,319 like a real like bulk type of center, like someone with some real heft, 318 00:19:33,599 --> 00:19:37,160 just in case you need to figure out what to do against the you 319 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:41,079 know, you getting beat up on the board, able, I get, 320 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:42,920 sign them up. I should have thrown him in the trade, But I 321 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:45,519 mean, I don't know what else it would be other than that like, 322 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:51,640 I, you know, I like McConnell as a backup one. I like 323 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,359 Jalen Smith as like an eighth or ninth guy that might just hit four threes 324 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:56,920 in a game. For now, we're thinking, I'm thinking about them in 325 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,640 a playoff context now, which is what I think you to be doing with 326 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,359 the Pacers. So like, I'm just trying to imagine who's getting played off 327 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:07,680 the floor, and the first guys that come to mind are Healed and Matherin, 328 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,599 so like someone that would not be subject to that treatment in a playoff 329 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,279 series at that position. And what's interesting though, is what this trade does 330 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,400 is it goes from oh, they should really be in on like an og 331 00:20:17,519 --> 00:20:21,400 aerobee level type wing to like if it was Dorian Finney Smith. Yeah, 332 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,920 like that makes all the world of difference. This is it segues a little 333 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,880 bit away from the Pacers. It's not yet into the Raptors. It's related 334 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:32,359 to kind of both of them. What what do you see as impact kind 335 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:37,559 of having on either or both the larger trade market now and also just the 336 00:20:37,599 --> 00:20:40,920 Eastern conference landscape in general, to where there are two things that stand out 337 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:42,319 that I really want to ask you about to give you some more direction. 338 00:20:42,559 --> 00:20:47,680 Is one could who's Philly putting on getting with all his cap space? Now 339 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,400 Siaka's found his new team, OG's found his new team. QUI extended, 340 00:20:51,519 --> 00:20:52,680 I feel like Paul George is going to extend. They're not going to go 341 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:57,519 after James Harden. It feels like it makes it even more likely they they 342 00:20:57,599 --> 00:21:02,200 complete a trade now, But it also makes it more likely other teams in 343 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:06,559 the East completely because you're just now you're just sort of fighting. We know 344 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,640 Boston Milwaukee one too, but now it's just like, oh, all these 345 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,720 hoops we need like the Knicks, Okay, we cemented ourselves as a top 346 00:21:11,759 --> 00:21:14,960 six team, he eats by getting Oga. No, we know we need 347 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,079 to go out and make one more trade to separate ourselves even further from the 348 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,160 pack. So do you think one that this could have a trickle down effect 349 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:29,000 on teams like maybe even Miami being in that that level Cleveland while they try 350 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,319 and do something on the margins. But then two, who is he? 351 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,039 Like? What is the name? Now? Is it just de Jonte Murray 352 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,480 is the biggest prize available? Because it does seem what's what's the word? 353 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,000 Modes likes to use the Zach Lee market is barren. It's a desolate, 354 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:48,920 healscape of nothingness. Prefer something like that. No, that that's been my 355 00:21:49,039 --> 00:21:53,119 kind of take all along on this deadline, And actually it relates to the 356 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:59,680 Sixers too. It's like Levigne now is the top guy. I mean, 357 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,319 it's pro We talked about Murray a little bit last week as like, you 358 00:22:03,319 --> 00:22:04,640 know, if you're not in love with paying Levine, what it's gonna cost 359 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,000 Murray is a great you know fallback, I guess, different player, but 360 00:22:08,079 --> 00:22:11,200 like and then you know, then we go into like, well, how 361 00:22:11,279 --> 00:22:15,279 much worse really is Terry Rosier than Zach Levine if you're considering like dollar for 362 00:22:15,319 --> 00:22:19,720 a production like so sick I'm just saying. I mean, like that's all 363 00:22:19,839 --> 00:22:23,240 this is an illustration of like there just aren't those names. So I guess 364 00:22:23,279 --> 00:22:29,039 if the question is what is Siakam going to Indiana do to other would be 365 00:22:29,319 --> 00:22:33,559 you know buyers, I don't know that it changes that much because it doesn't 366 00:22:33,599 --> 00:22:37,519 like put another name on the market that if you're Miami or if you're you 367 00:22:37,559 --> 00:22:40,480 know, you name the team that needs it's like, oh now we gotta 368 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:45,000 now we got to make a move to like keep up or just or whatever, 369 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,880 like Siakam moving doesn't change the list of trade candidates, like until that 370 00:22:49,039 --> 00:22:53,599 happens that I don't really know how much the other teams need to operate in 371 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,160 a reactionary you know what I mean, Like I just I want more names, 372 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:02,960 like I want more more legit candidates to be moved of consequence before I, 373 00:23:03,279 --> 00:23:06,000 you know, start thinking about like, oh, what's this mean for 374 00:23:06,039 --> 00:23:07,720 the Knicks or clear or what it is? Just those guys just aren't there, 375 00:23:07,839 --> 00:23:11,640 you know. And I will say, I think what this might do 376 00:23:11,759 --> 00:23:15,720 more than anything is increase the price paid for maybe some of the middle tier 377 00:23:15,799 --> 00:23:18,960 guys where it's if Kelly Olinik or Jordan Clarson get traded out of Utah, 378 00:23:19,039 --> 00:23:22,000 de Jontay Murray's of course the obvious one, or a bo Dot Bogdanovic in 379 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:26,359 Atlanta or a boy on Bogdanovich and in Detroit. I think it's you know, 380 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,079 we're not talking multiple first round picks for most of these guys other than 381 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:33,359 Murray, but I think you could see the price increase. There would be 382 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,480 just my guess on those guys, or does it increase likely that this surprise 383 00:23:37,559 --> 00:23:41,400 name now becomes available because so much of the known trade market has just been 384 00:23:41,799 --> 00:23:45,759 bankrupted, well not bankrupted, but it's already been completed with Og off the 385 00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:49,440 board, Pascal off the board, Harden off the board, and the desolate 386 00:23:49,519 --> 00:23:53,640 healthscape of nothingness that is the zach wilbean trade market being being what it is. 387 00:23:55,039 --> 00:23:56,599 Yeah, I mean I will let's say, there's no way to know, 388 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,160 but like would you, I think the assumption should be there, someone 389 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,599 will get traded. That's a at least, you know, maybe not quite 390 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,160 as big a name as Siakam or Levine, but somewhere in that neighborhood that 391 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:12,119 hasn't really been discussed yet, just like because otherwise cal Bridge has come on 392 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:18,079 down. I mean there's one. Yeah, speaking of to blate this back 393 00:24:18,079 --> 00:24:21,640 to the Pacers, they can after or TECHT I mean they could do it 394 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,079 now, but after this season, like you're still gonna have And just because 395 00:24:25,079 --> 00:24:27,519 we didn't really answer this, No, I don't think Jarvis Walker he's PDPTE 396 00:24:27,519 --> 00:24:32,680 mentions Jarison Ogi are literally identical weight and size. They play such different style 397 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:37,000 of basketball. I don't see Jaris being sustainable at the three unless he develops 398 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,680 he has the cutting and the movement he can make some passes on the move 399 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,839 too, But unless he develops like a very consistent jumper, I just don't 400 00:24:45,839 --> 00:24:48,640 see them being able to get by with They'll have the spacing, but I 401 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,640 don't see them being able to get by with him as their de facto three. 402 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,119 His jumper is gonna be big. But for the Pacers, you've now 403 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,680 you can still trade two more first round picks, some swats and you have 404 00:24:59,759 --> 00:25:02,319 better Mather and jars Walker. And so if you really wanted to go all 405 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,319 in, which is you know, we didn't really I guess discuss this is 406 00:25:04,319 --> 00:25:07,680 that this very much show that they're in on this season and the Tyres Haliburton 407 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,960 window, and there's still other stuff they can do. And I really respect 408 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,240 that. I like the idea that this is not a flagship franchise or a 409 00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:19,839 big market franchise, and that they went in they have this superstar in Tyres 410 00:25:19,839 --> 00:25:22,920 Haliburt, and they decided, yeah, it's the beginning of his window, 411 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,960 but we're gonna fucking maximize it as soon as soon as we can. And 412 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,519 so I really I love seeing that. I wish more franchises acted in that 413 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,799 vein. And you know what they did too, is there wasn't some you 414 00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:37,599 know, they did kind of this pass offseason effectively toe the line in between. 415 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,400 There was none of sort of this skirting or billowing in the wind. 416 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,240 We saw it a lot with the Pelicans, like basically the two different iterations 417 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,319 of the Pelicans before it took them to get to this point or some other 418 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,240 teams. I liked that they didn't one weight and two didn't decide to just 419 00:25:52,599 --> 00:25:56,119 you know, dip into knee deep waters. That they really threw themselves neck 420 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,599 deep, forehead deep and said let's do this. I respect it and I 421 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,680 love that hell out of it personally. And I think it's logical too, 422 00:26:02,759 --> 00:26:06,519 because I think the inclination a lot of times, and Memphis kind of comes 423 00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:10,119 to mind as a team that we've we've criticized now but not taken their shot, 424 00:26:10,279 --> 00:26:11,839 although like they were, you know, they were winning fifty games with 425 00:26:11,839 --> 00:26:15,279 with their kind of young core. So like it's a little different than the 426 00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:18,920 Pacers, but I think there's an inclination sometimes in smaller market with smaller market 427 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:23,279 teams to say, like put it this way, there's very much a world 428 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:29,559 where the Pacers get Tyre's Haliburton and they take a let's be deliberate, let's 429 00:26:29,559 --> 00:26:32,839 hoard these picks, let's build around him. He's gonna be here for twelve 430 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,799 years, Like this is our guy. Let's be really careful and let's do 431 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:41,519 this gradually. And like I don't I think I think the right move is 432 00:26:41,559 --> 00:26:45,119 like we have an all NBA guy today, now, who's great, Like 433 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,119 let's do let's go like there's nothing promised, you know, I get it, 434 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,720 he's you know, Haliburton signed to this, to the max deal, 435 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,680 Like yeah, so you have a half decade essentially, maybe less than that 436 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,920 in some cases, but like I just don't think. I don't think a 437 00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:03,160 small market team, or really any team should assume that we've got our guy. 438 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,519 So let's like okay, let's really be you know, let's let's take 439 00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:11,480 our time with this, cause like sometimes when you got the guy, you 440 00:27:11,559 --> 00:27:14,519 just got to make a move to go get the other guy. Like and 441 00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:18,599 that's that's an oversimplification. But like you, I don't think anybody would have 442 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,079 given the Pacers a hard time for not making this move for Siakham, because 443 00:27:22,079 --> 00:27:25,279 there were plenty of justifications to not do it. But I think, like 444 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,720 to your point, just go for it, because logically, like you know 445 00:27:29,799 --> 00:27:32,400 this idea of like, let's plan for five years down the road, Like 446 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,000 you can't really think more than two or three years ahead. In the NBA, 447 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:37,640 I don't think like no matter who you are, so especially if you're 448 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,599 a small market team that kind of lucked into a franchise cornerstone, because you 449 00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:45,160 can't convince me that they knew Haliburton was going to be this good, because 450 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,920 if everybody knew that, it would have cost more than demonis sa bonus to 451 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,319 get him, like coming with Buddy Healed by the way, So like you 452 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,640 hit the lottery from requesting a trade to no, we wanted to keep him 453 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,920 as part of this deal, which makes sense, But you hit the lottery, 454 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,960 so double down, like let's let's go. That's a mixed metaphor, 455 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,440 but it's we're just agreeing that. Like the smart move in this case, 456 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,839 I think increasingly is to just just pre assume you're gonna be really good in 457 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:17,000 a shorter window and not just wait for you know, the perfect Siakama is 458 00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:18,839 not a perfect fit. He's a good fit, I think, and maybe 459 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:23,039 the Pacers fit him better than any other legitimate suitor. But I applaud the 460 00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:26,599 Pacers for going after the very good fit as opposed to waiting for something that's 461 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,519 just like, oh, we can never materially pass this up. Yeah, 462 00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:33,160 it may never happen almost and it likely would not have happened like and and 463 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,920 you're the pace out bit if it if it was a better fit. I 464 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,720 mean, they were in apparently on og An Andobe, and I know Seekam 465 00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:41,480 is a better player in a vacuum. But I don't know what their best 466 00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:47,160 offer for ogi An Andobi exactly was. Uh, but they the Nicks beat 467 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,119 it, or they were able to give the Raptors more of what they wanted, 468 00:28:49,319 --> 00:28:52,079 which might be a good segue onto the Raptors and how you think they 469 00:28:52,119 --> 00:28:56,640 did in this trade. My only additional note on them, aside from what 470 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,279 they actually got, is they can now if they want, depending on what 471 00:28:59,319 --> 00:29:02,480 happens with Bruce team option. They have Dowrian trend and you're being a free 472 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,839 agent, they could be like mid thirties of cap space this year with that 473 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:11,079 quickly with while holding Quickly's restricted free agency cap hold. What did you make 474 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:19,079 of the return on this for them? I think the three firsts like sound 475 00:29:19,119 --> 00:29:23,279 good. But we already talked a little bit about how like for sure that 476 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,839 the worst of whatever Okac and the Clippers in Houston, whatever else like this 477 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:32,240 is, this pick is not going to be better than twenty fifth or whatever 478 00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:37,799 the Pacers' own pick probably certainly not in the lottery. But I mean Haliburton's 479 00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:42,519 out now that could still be in the teams, which isn't nothing if that's 480 00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:48,519 the headliner though, A picks in a draft everybody hates, Like that's a 481 00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:51,720 great point. I don't know enough myself. I see people just when I 482 00:29:51,759 --> 00:29:53,000 see a lot of NBA guys say it. I'm not saying you're one of 483 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,400 them. I'm like, you guys are just I can't speak to it, 484 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,319 but it does seem that draft people hate this draft. It's been a long 485 00:30:00,359 --> 00:30:03,359 time. I don't remember the last draft that that there was this kind of 486 00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:07,880 consensus on of like, this is just not a good one. So I 487 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,119 get, yeah, of course I don't have the insight to say that, 488 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,759 like from my own perspective, but enough people who whose business it is to 489 00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:18,720 know how good this draft is who said this is not a good draft. 490 00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:22,799 So yeah, so that twenty six pick, I don't know if things go 491 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,319 how they're supposed to with this core in Indiana that's probably in the twenties too, 492 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,319 right, or that that would be the expectation. Certainly not a lot, 493 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,880 or it might mean some upside there is I think that is that the 494 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:40,400 best asset they got back at it, right, probably only because it's the 495 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,680 twenty four picks will not be good. So there's because there's a chance the 496 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,640 twenty six pick might be pretty good. I guess it qualifies as the best 497 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:51,839 of the three, but that's just because we're uncertain about it. I guess. 498 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,240 I don't want to say I'm super underwhelmed though, even just dumping on 499 00:30:56,279 --> 00:31:02,640 all those picks, because this is something and Toronto risks getting nothing right, 500 00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:04,880 like that was on the table for Siakam, Like Siakam can go away and 501 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:10,880 you get zero for him. So I guess, like, and this is 502 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,440 a little unfair, but it should be mentioned like the move, the move 503 00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:17,599 to criticize, was not trading him sooner and like this is very much a 504 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:22,160 through line for our analysis of the Raptors. The real move to criticize was 505 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,519 trading for Yaka Pertle. Well, yeah, to circle back to that, 506 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,799 because that was insane, that's that's an awful trade. Well, none of 507 00:31:30,839 --> 00:31:33,680 the picks that they're getting from this trade will be as valuable as the one 508 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,640 they gave up to get Yaka Pearl. That that I think we can say 509 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,880 pretty and have a better chance of keeping it this year. Now it's top 510 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,839 six protected, but it's gonna go to San Antonio. Oh yeah, you're 511 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:48,640 absolutely right, I guess. Like, I think this feels to me like 512 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,759 a worse return than they got for Anonobe and and and I think maybe that's 513 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,559 shouldn't be surprising because Anonobe was such a plug and play fits everywhere. Probably 514 00:31:56,559 --> 00:32:00,920 isn't gonna cost as much as it almost definitely won't cost as much as Siakam 515 00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:06,000 is going to to retain. I hesitate to call it like, oh, 516 00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:09,519 they did poorly here. I think given the circumstances, it's a fine return 517 00:32:09,559 --> 00:32:14,920 package. It's just disappointing that, like, again, what was the reason 518 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,400 for not doing this a year ago? You know where you would have gotten 519 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:22,160 much more? And that that's my issue is you said it under the circumstances, 520 00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:24,759 I think they did well. And if you are, there are some 521 00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:28,400 people who are just low on Pascal Siakam to where even if he would have 522 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,200 stayed of the Raptors on a three year match tim They didn't want to give 523 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,599 it to him, and I think, I think those people, with all 524 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,440 due respect, are out of their fucking minds. Pascal Siakam is a two 525 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,319 time All NBA player, probably won't make All NBA this season, but he's 526 00:32:38,319 --> 00:32:42,920 been balling lately. He has not been in the steadiest, most consistent of 527 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:47,880 ecosystems basically ever. Yeah nice really like positionally or with the surrounding talent, 528 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,880 right and so, and I still think him and Scottie Bares could have worked 529 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,839 together under a different roster construct. You hit it on the head, though. 530 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:59,839 You let it get to this point to where Siakam was worth less than 531 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:01,960 his salary demands are gonna be higher. He's older and he's less plug and 532 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,039 play than an og Ananobi. You should have made this call last season, 533 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,759 and instead, not only did you not make this call, but you did 534 00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:13,720 exacerbate the issue by dealing for Yaka pertle and treating yourself as just like this 535 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:19,119 still win now faction that wasn't ready to win now. And they do deserve 536 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,759 to be applauded for not letting it happen again, and despite they could have 537 00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:24,599 easily looked at, Oh, we owe this top six protected pick this year, 538 00:33:24,839 --> 00:33:28,799 we got a double triple down. We're gonna keep og in Pascal Scout 539 00:33:28,839 --> 00:33:31,000 and we're gonna be the teams that are buying and we're gonna give up stuff 540 00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:35,680 to get whoever. And they didn't, and so they deserve credit for that, 541 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,960 but it does put them in a little bit of flux because you got 542 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:43,599 players back in RJ. Emmanuel Quickly in Scotty Barnes. Maybe between those three 543 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,920 and Dennis Shuder, you just have enough creators on the roster. I'm very 544 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:50,400 fascinating to see where they go from here. This feels like a more than 545 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,480 a soft reset, but it's not a hard and fast rebuild, and so 546 00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:57,359 I don't I'm very cursey like, how do they approach the rest of the 547 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,039 trade deadline? It's do they try and flip Brown for something else? Are 548 00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:04,079 they going to prioritize cap space this summer? Are they going to pick up 549 00:34:04,079 --> 00:34:07,440 Bruce Brown's team option and use him as that sort of human trade exception, 550 00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:12,440 what goes on with Gary Trent Junior. I'm I'm super just interested to see 551 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:17,079 where they go from here, and I think nothing they've done clarifies their overarching 552 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,800 direction other than Okay, they knew that this era of basketball was over. 553 00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:25,239 Scottie Barnes is the future and we knew that already. And yet it's well, 554 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:29,719 we're still kind of are they rebuilding or this this like a rule? 555 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,079 Are they recalibrating? What's what's going on here? And the way that it 556 00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:36,039 took, not that it took so long because they did this before the deadline, 557 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,440 but just the way that negotiations unfolded publicly and that leak from Chams before 558 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,159 this deal went down, which I expected it almost not to go down, 559 00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:47,000 because it was it clearly came from just like the Pacer side to apply pressure, 560 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,440 which if it came from the Pacer side or Pascal Pascal Siakam side, 561 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:52,239 good on them, Like, I don't have a problem with them doing that, 562 00:34:53,119 --> 00:34:58,079 But it just wasn't It didn't follow the blueprint of what the Raptor's got 563 00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:00,000 for og not in terms of raw value in a vacuum. We kind of 564 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:05,000 always Knewka might fetch less. I would have given up more for him personally, 565 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,800 That's how high I'm on him. But it just I don't know that 566 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:14,480 this d op few skates the Raptor's future anyway. If anything, it just 567 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,719 you kind of thought, oh, maybe they'll just Resignaka and like the pathway 568 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,119 forward is we'll see what we have an IQ and r JA and Scotti and 569 00:35:21,159 --> 00:35:24,159 Siakam and maybe they move Pearle. So they moving Perle, I don't know 570 00:35:24,159 --> 00:35:27,360 who wants that. I don't think it's the worst contract in the league by 571 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,599 any stretch, and he's still a useful player. I still think that needs 572 00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:34,400 to be a goal. Though they're super thin up front at this point. 573 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,440 And that's the other thing too, is they just released a big and traded 574 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,639 a big and they're alway sudden light on these bigger forwards, and so I'm 575 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,519 very curious to see do they try and address that this season. Is this 576 00:35:43,639 --> 00:35:46,079 all just experimentation now? And what if you know, you could say, 577 00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:49,440 well, they'll just bought them out from here and then maybe they get to 578 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,360 keep their pick and then they'll move forward that there's just no Scotti, Barnes 579 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,119 and the manual quickly might just be too good for that to happen if you're 580 00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:59,840 gonna play them throughout the rest of the season, I honestly, I don't 581 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:01,719 know. You have a better feel or what you would even do in there. 582 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,239 And that's that's what's rare before I throw it back to you, is 583 00:36:05,559 --> 00:36:08,079 it's not even me asking you what you think they're doing. I'm I can't 584 00:36:08,119 --> 00:36:14,000 even verbalize what I think they should do at this point because they're in such 585 00:36:14,039 --> 00:36:17,239 a weird space. Yeah, I think I think they're just gonna be there 586 00:36:17,519 --> 00:36:22,559 for at least, you know, another little while. And like I think 587 00:36:22,599 --> 00:36:25,920 the reason that it's hard to get a grip on, Okay, what's Toronto 588 00:36:27,039 --> 00:36:32,159 doing because when you view okay, they got like young players for Og and 589 00:36:32,199 --> 00:36:37,599 then they took the pick haul and basically like a contract designed to be traded 590 00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:40,719 for Siakam, those two things are very different, Like so, what what 591 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:45,159 do they want? Like what are their priorities? I think the reason so 592 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:46,599 and that is what is making it hard to figure out, like what the 593 00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:51,119 direction is. I think the reason it looks that way is because like that's 594 00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:53,400 just what was available, Like that's that was the best offer they got for 595 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:58,079 Og And if there had been a three good first or whatever for him, 596 00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:00,960 they probably would have taken that. And like for Sakham, there wasn't you 597 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,440 know, the quickly out the quickly type or the and the Barrett contract out 598 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,559 there for him. It was just the Pacers are offering the picks, like 599 00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:10,719 nobody else is beating that with whatever else there is, So like, that's 600 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:15,840 what we're gonna do. That's interesting, So I think to roll that forward. 601 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,400 This doesn't offer any clarity, but like I think they should treat Bruce 602 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,239 Brown similarly, which is to say, if there's a if if we think 603 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,800 we can't do better than what we'll get for him trading him now, I 604 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:30,440 think you trade him now. But if that's not the case, like and 605 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,480 I don't know what this market like, there's there's an argument to be made 606 00:37:32,519 --> 00:37:36,559 that, like now, Bruce Brown is like a very valuable trade chip because 607 00:37:37,039 --> 00:37:39,360 every team that wants Dorian Finney Smith that looks at Royce O'Neill, at whatever, 608 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,280 like Brown's not the same type of guy, but like he's similar. 609 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,480 You know, we love him so much because he kind of fits everywhere. 610 00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:47,320 So now, if you're the Raptors, you you say, like, well, 611 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,199 what do we get for him now? And if we don't like that, 612 00:37:50,639 --> 00:37:52,880 well we'll just pick up his option and he's an expiring contract next year. 613 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:58,039 He's like basically the same type of trade chip. So like, I 614 00:37:58,039 --> 00:38:00,480 think they're just kinda and this again, and this makes it really easy to 615 00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:06,039 criticize from a pick a direction standpoint. I think they can and probably should 616 00:38:06,119 --> 00:38:10,719 just be like opportunistic, like just whatever the best package is if when whenever 617 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:15,800 it presents itself, move then Now granted they didn't do that, the Raptors 618 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,320 did not do that with Van Vleet and with like they probably should have moved 619 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,239 Gary Trent. If we're gonna really get all down into the weeds last year, 620 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,880 uh so, like I think they'll all they're gonna be hard to figure 621 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,679 out for a while because they're only options now are just kind of like, 622 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,920 well, let's wait around and see what the best play is for this asset 623 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:36,840 because we don't have We're not like I don't know, the Thunder two years 624 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,639 ago or the Jazz like you know, we're not like let's get all the 625 00:38:38,639 --> 00:38:43,719 picks. They're not in that position. They're not in the let's so it's 626 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,800 gonna be confusing. I think there's there's not a solve for that yet, 627 00:38:46,159 --> 00:38:51,159 just because I wonder if our new salary floor rules impacted this at all. 628 00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:52,880 Where I think Traditionally, I would have looked at it and said, okay, 629 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,760 well you have Yaka purl twenty million a year, r J twenty seven 630 00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:00,320 or whatever it is, IQ might be thirty, and then Scotty Barnes is 631 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:01,119 right around the corner with a Max. It's like, well, you already 632 00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:06,760 have like four real contracts on your books by this time. Well, not 633 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,280 next season, because Gotti Barnes will be an extension, but because you have 634 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,519 to hit the floor anyway, and it's just the contracts or I guess so 635 00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:15,599 short by that point it's well, you know, two or three years or 636 00:39:15,639 --> 00:39:19,639 Yaka Purls is ticked off, so I can't even read that and say whatever. 637 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,320 I would be curious to see what they could get to I guess kind 638 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,880 of put a bow on the immediate discussion the Rappers what they could get for 639 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:29,559 Bruce Brown. A team like Philly has other expiring contracts and I think could 640 00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:31,280 really use a Bruce Brown, Like are you looking. You're not getting a 641 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,679 first round pick for Bruce Brown unless you're taking back bad money. And then 642 00:39:35,679 --> 00:39:38,400 it's okay, well, what team wants Bruce Brown and maybe has like bad 643 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:43,199 money that he would be interesting in Sacramento. But he's also smaller to where 644 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,800 it's well, if you have to give up Kevin Herder, Harrison Barnes, 645 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,840 is that doing enough there? I was just gonna ask, like, if 646 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,239 you could get you're not getting an unprotected first obviously for Bruce Brown, Like, 647 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:57,239 can you if you could get like a lottery protected first today? I 648 00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,320 would bounce you trade him for that. As Raptors specifically, yeah, I 649 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,800 think any team, I mean, even if Indy might have been offered a 650 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:07,920 lot of reprotective first I might have jumped at it. Yeah, I just 651 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,760 I don't know. I think I probably would too. I don't know that 652 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:15,639 that offer is gonna be out there necessarily, but yeah, I just imagine 653 00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:19,480 if it was, Like this is just a random thought because OKC is a 654 00:40:19,519 --> 00:40:22,000 team that is smart enough to try and continue to roll salary slots forward, 655 00:40:22,199 --> 00:40:25,960 and so because Brown has the team option, like if they did Davis Britton's 656 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,039 and just one of the first round picks that they had for Bruce Brown and 657 00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:31,920 add that to their rotation, and it's they're just so crowded. I don't 658 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:36,320 know if that makes sense, but you do keep your optionality open, get 659 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,840 some extra playmaking and ball handling in advance of the playoffs. Maybe that's a 660 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:43,360 sneaky team to look at. I honestly, I don't see the He fits 661 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,719 in so many spots, But I don't know what the team is that I 662 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,360 would love him in Philly, Like I said, what's the team that's giving 663 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:52,280 you value for him? Or what is it that Toronto would want to move 664 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,000 him? Yeah, I don't know. He's a weird player because he does 665 00:40:54,119 --> 00:40:59,599 have he has value as a as you know, basically money that goes away, 666 00:40:59,679 --> 00:41:01,519 and he has value as a guy who like could be a starter on 667 00:41:01,559 --> 00:41:06,360 a team that's trying to win. I don't know, so I guess I 668 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,360 guess maybe that just means he's got a really broad market and that could drive 669 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:13,880 up offers if you're being optimistic for Toronto. I don't know. Ye excited 670 00:41:14,039 --> 00:41:19,440 to see the I q R J. Scotty dynamic from Huron though, when 671 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,440 everybody's healthy and playing that just and even now that like Yaka Pearl's out and 672 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,840 definitely like it makes me even more excited. And look, you look at 673 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:29,079 their current setup, it's just like, I don't really know what they're They're 674 00:41:29,079 --> 00:41:32,119 primary big by the way we have to mention him because we're contractually obligated, 675 00:41:32,119 --> 00:41:37,239 and why wouldn't we. Chris Bouche the only member of the title winning Toronto 676 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,280 Raptors left on this roster, right, I think, well, yeah, 677 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,199 who else would? Yeah, I'm trying. I'll look at their roster right 678 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,199 now. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure I'm correct there. So shout 679 00:41:47,199 --> 00:41:52,039 out Chris Bouche for surviving, because that's what great basketball players do, is 680 00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:55,199 they they survive. That's it. He's the only one from that from that 681 00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,880 title team because Yaka Pearle was on the team that year but was traded. 682 00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:02,519 So now you have to keep him because who else is going to impart the 683 00:42:02,599 --> 00:42:07,679 lessons of the greatest season in Toronto Raptors history to the next generation. He's 684 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:12,199 he's like a he's like a sage figure. Now he has to stay and 685 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,079 he your Coloco's gone. You have Johntay Porter on a two way, So 686 00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:19,239 I imagine they don't convert him just because they're limited in what they could offer 687 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,679 him. They could give him more this offseason. Someone's in class though, 688 00:42:23,079 --> 00:42:27,639 just the time for the Christmas shave and glad glad Ron brand. But he's 689 00:42:27,679 --> 00:42:32,599 just he's like their center pretty much. Yeah, any other anything else? 690 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,360 Did you want to take us out of here? Yeah? Sure, well 691 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:37,960 yeah we probably should. I was going to start talking about the Sixers and 692 00:42:38,039 --> 00:42:43,159 like, but we hit it out. It's just like, what is this, 693 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,199 what's this cap space going to do for them? I went on this 694 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,599 rant. I think to you last time, I don't want to blame or 695 00:42:49,639 --> 00:42:52,360 too much play. I don't want to hear about your cap space. And 696 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,360 it's not just now because all this has happened unless you have had massai u 697 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,960 Jerry's or lead basketball executively, like the odds of an All star just leaving 698 00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:04,239 for nothing and free agency have been nil. And we've already mentioned that could 699 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,320 change in the future, it's just not changing this offseason. And what I 700 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:12,280 will say is you could still use that flexibility as part of trades, but 701 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,519 like, so you're punting on a year of Joelle Embiid's prime to just be 702 00:43:16,599 --> 00:43:20,920 able to do that when you can probably at least thread the needle to where 703 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,400 if you got like an eighteen to twenty two million dollars player or whatever it 704 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,960 is, you could still get to one max slot or near max slot. 705 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,239 And so you need. I think they need to approach this trade deadline with 706 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:34,920 even more urgency than they were. And I'm not sure how urgent they were 707 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,960 approaching it to begin with, but this is the They're the team that's like 708 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:42,280 inadvertently impacted by this the most of these three. I mean, should we 709 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,199 pour one out for the Pelicans ducking the tax congratulations of ownership over there Averages 710 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,360 ducking at tax. You know how we much we love teams and owners ducking 711 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:54,880 the tags. The single most inevitable move of the pre deadline trade slate was 712 00:43:55,360 --> 00:44:00,360 Kyra Lewis being traded to duck the tax. Like that was that if you 713 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,079 had to bet your life on a trade, that was the one you you 714 00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:05,960 would bet it on all. The other thing that's interesting too, is like 715 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,039 Detroit is in the similar boat to where it's like Tobias Harris's agent's got to 716 00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:12,679 be like licking his lips right now. It's like, oh, Detroit's got 717 00:44:12,679 --> 00:44:15,360 cap space and they're not gonna get out of nob or Siakam. And if 718 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,880 you're Indy, in the back of your mind, I do wonder, like, 719 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,039 are you prepared to have to talk about a fifth year because you didn't 720 00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:24,800 want to give Siakam the four year mass, but Detroit's just ready to do 721 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:29,679 it. Oh, I did you trade make this deal? If you're Indy 722 00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:32,440 fully prepared to go the four year full boat, that is my impression. 723 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:38,119 I think you better have been like otherwise, Yeah, no, I think 724 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:43,360 you don't have You don't do this unless you've basically had the conversation with Siakam 725 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,800 and his eight already. Like there's just I can't imagine that the Pacers would 726 00:44:46,119 --> 00:44:50,920 do this if if this wasn't done like the fifth year. I don't know, 727 00:44:51,159 --> 00:44:53,039 but like four year, Max might as well sign it now, like 728 00:44:53,079 --> 00:44:57,360 it I think I assume now I know. I started this off saying like, 729 00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,599 well, we don't know, but like, the more you talk about 730 00:44:59,679 --> 00:45:04,000 it's like you'd be you'd be a pretty irrational actor as Indiana to do this 731 00:45:04,119 --> 00:45:07,239 without as close to a dead on assurance that you're gonna be able to keep 732 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,280 him. And if he does take less, it's by choice because you know, 733 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:15,119 Detroit is just ready to They don't they're ready to pay whoever. Detroit's 734 00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:20,760 ready to get nuts like that, We're off. Uh, this podcast is 735 00:45:21,079 --> 00:45:24,960 about to be off. Thank you everybody for watching for submitting questions comments for 736 00:45:25,039 --> 00:45:30,000 listening. Uh. If you do not know how to keep up with us, 737 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:35,519 follow us. Make sure you check out all the socials here at hardwoodknockx, 738 00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:39,360 Twitter, TikTok uh links in the YouTube and podcast description for discord, 739 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,760 stuff for merch for everything else. Tell your friends, Tell your enemies, 740 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,360 yeah, and we'll have a DAN. Should I tell them we're going to 741 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,199 record more pods right now? Or should I pretend to them? Let them? 742 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:52,679 Let them? But the people that are still here, the dozens of 743 00:45:52,679 --> 00:45:57,360 people that are now watching, Yeah, thanks everybody. We close as always 744 00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,880 with a shout out to the one and only Frank Milli keenan and an apology 745 00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:07,119 made season debut and Frank, let's go h