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now and now most aerated noise and
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you believe April thirty okay, twenty
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thirty, twenty twenty four, allegedly
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And this is the O'Kelly effect,
live on a teesday Tuesday. Anyway,

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it is what it is, and
we're gonna get to what it is

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and what's going on. Of course, most of you will catch this further

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on down the stream by your final
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cetera, and get the podcast.
But we are live at Ocelli dot com

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and elsewhere. So for the next
little while, approximately an hour, what

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am I gonna do? I figure
we'll do a little regular guy news with

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a twist. Now, normally I
bring on regular Joe and he comes on

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and we talk about the news that
he barely pays attention to it all.

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And we go through a couple of
pieces of analysis and maybe caught a word

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here or there, a conversation here
or there. What's the analysis from somebody

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who really has decided not to give
a crap about all of what is being

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reported on those TV shows we call
the news. I mean, you could

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just as easily keep track of any
fictional universe as you could the world around

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you, and be more or less
entertained depending on who you are. You

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could be more or less informed depending
on who you are. Why not know

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the entire universe of the comic book
genre or whatever the hell else Disney is

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vomiting out onto its platforming stream at
this point, right? Why not?

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Or you could get to know what's
happening in Gaza, etc. What's happening

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in Murca two point zero? Are
we ready for the civil war? What

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about that presidential selection? Nope?
I picked out a handful of things.

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I'm gonna go over them, and
I'm pretty sure regular Joe is not read

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into the news at all today.
So this would be great first impressions for

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the stuff that are making impressions that
are giving some people depressions. Okay,

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the world around us twisting and turning, and do we care anymore? Is

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apathy now? Apt? Is it
the thing that you should embrace? Do

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you care about the opinionated podcasts out
there? Because mostly the alleged alternative media.

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What do they do. Let's grab
up some mainstream articles and stuff,

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get mad about it, tell you
they're lying to you, and then give

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you my opinion. And I got
other friends. I'm gonna bring them on

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and we're all going to agree on
our opinions. And you know why,

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because that's the only thing you want
to hear. And that's why you tuned

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into their podcast was to hear your
opinion echoed back to you. Well,

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that ain't no Shelly, that ain't
the effect, and that ain't regular Joe.

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So here we go, Regular Joe. How you doing tonight? Man?

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I'm hanging in there. I typically
tell people I'm not bad for an

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old guy, not bad for an
old guy. And yet you're younger than

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me, not too much enough,
believe me. And clearly from your accent

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you've lived elsewhere. I mean,
I'm living in in you know Joja at

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this point. But but for people
that don't know regular Joe, he's a

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Kentucky boy and apparently has a little
bit of a reputation, might have a

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bad temper sometimes just saying I was
recently discussing that with you off there.

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But anyway, we're not going to
go there. We're going to go into

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what's going on in the world around
us. So, Joe, have you

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been watching the news at all,
reading about anything at all? Tell me,

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not at all. And the only
articles I've looked at are just stuff

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about rock music and what classic rock
stars are doing now right. Probably partially

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spawned or partially spurred on, so
to speak, by our conversation last week,

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which was about the Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame, And it makes

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you start to consider things and remember, hey, maybe I liked a song

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from that artist, or that's right, that artist is a valid pick for

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the Hall of Fame or not,
And maybe it made you go back into

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some music history in your mind and
replay the soundtrack of your life. Even

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so, you got inspired to look
at music. Plus you like to play

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guitar. You love music anyway.
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not really looking to interface with the
world outside of your square block or not

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really a block, but that little
patch of land there near the Davy Crockett

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National Forest. Right other guy Daniel
Boot, Oh, Daniel Book. I

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mixed them up. See this,
almost almost everyone does, unless they're from

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Kentucky or Tennessee. Okay, so, and you know what's funny is he

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just told me I mixed it up. And now I'm sitting here trying to

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remember which one did I mix for
which Daniel Boone is that one? Yep?

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Okay, cool? So there you
go. See how much I paid

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attention to exactly where that is.
I knew it was one of those similar

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type of folk figures, but I
mixed them up. And that's about probably

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the handle you have on the news. So how about we get to the

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biggest things that are fueling right now
the cable news networks. First, just

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I'm not looking to cover it in
great detail, but we can talk about

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it a little. You want me
to go there first? Or should we

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go to the strangest story I found
today? Ooh, let's save the strange

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for last. Save the strange for
last. That's not usually the way you

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handle things when you're looking at the
ladies in the bar, but I understand

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that you might want to go that
way. We'll save the strange for some

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time towards the end. So let's
begin with the most mundane then. How

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about that? That works? Fine? So here we go. I have

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notes because I had to sample a
lot of stuff and realize we have wall

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to wall coverage on your the left
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to the political lines of the declination
right, and what we have here is

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the Trump trial. Do you know
what's going on with the current Trump trial

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that's being broadcast like all day long
and being observed upon and analyzed and all

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that. You know what's going on
there, because it's been happening for nine

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days. I haven't seen a single
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of that. Wish I could say
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Okay, I have been a single
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is on trial, and I'm pretty
sure it's over his hush money. Right,

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Okay, so you knew that much. And Game of Thrones, in

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all fairness, I've never watched a
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it, so I refuse anyhow,
although I see it being referenced and somehow

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know that that's the reference they're making
in other media where they say, hey,

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I am a completely conservative individual.
So what I'm going to do is

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watch story about incests that go on
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I'm thinking they're talking Game of Thrones
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I know it's not Lord of the
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could be Game of Thrones or DC
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yeah that too, But what isn't
that a Game of Thrones as well?

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So back to one of the Thrones
that might be more adequately sitting down in

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Florida at mar A Lago. But
then again, he's in New York currently

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complaining that he can't go on the
campaign trail, and that is the main

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thrust of what the political side of
the equation that sides with him in broadcast

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media is saying, this is nothing
but a democratic ploy to keep him off

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the campaign trail. YadA YadA ya. But let's get into a couple of

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details, because today McDougall slash Stormy
Daniels actually a lawyer that worked for both

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of them, and not that Aminati
guy was on the stand today, so

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we were getting a play by play
a lot. Also, the judge fined

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Trump nine grand for a bunch of
violations allegedly of his gag order. You

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know, a gag order. But
every day when they conclude these proceedings,

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which Trump was compelled to have to
be at in New York. What happens

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a badly miked appearance in front of
all the cameras, and he comes out

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and says, this is not fair. This is the most ridiculous switch on

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ever. And he does it every
day. Nine days of this crap now

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going on over whether they killed the
story. We've already heard from David Pecker

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on the stand. Yes, that's
the guy's name who runs what is it,

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American Media Incorporated, the parent company
of the National Inquirer, et cetera,

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et cetera. So I'm reading you
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Keith Davidson. Is that lawyer's name, by the way. Anyways,

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So, and there's been this explanation, this back and forth. They're making

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the jurors read text messages back and
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time was one of Trump lawyers,
he contends that, you know, he

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was trying to arrange the hush money
payment and this and that winds up taking

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out a second mortgage on a house, didn't tell his wife about it,

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but he was going to put up
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didn't have to put it up upfront, and then Trump would pay him back

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later, and then, of course, you know, he learns exactly how

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Trump likes to pay people back.
But Michael Cohen was a true believer in

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him until guess what, he had
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Now, he went to jail,
a kosher prison, by the way,

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where he got special kosher meals and
all that kind of stuff, special treatment

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while in white collar prison over this
whole thing. And meanwhile they want to

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say that this is a bunch of
nonsense. And I got to tell you

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something, Joe, here's the strange
part. I agree with them. This

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is a bunch of nonsense. This
is a lot of huge waste of resources,

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time, everything else to get at
whether or not Trump mislabeled payments that

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were made in order to shut down
stories about some of the women that he

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slept with while he was married,
and indeed the porn star that I believe

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he was banging right after his wife
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which leads to the funniest thing that
happened all day on the news. I'm

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watching the Fox News feed, and
this guy from the show The Five,

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one of those really abrasive, you
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loud Fox Guys the show the five. He comes out and goes, well,

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I'll tell you what, I bet
you. Trump's really pissed off because

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now he's forced to actually attend Baron's
graduation, and he was looking to avoid

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that. He would have had an
excuse otherwise, but since he's in New

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York, he can now attend Baron's
graduation, and he's pissed because he's got

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no good excuse to get out of
it. I thought that was funny from

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his allies. But anyway, comedy
aside, this is a huge waste of

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resources, huge waste of time.
And at the end of the day,

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he shuffled a little hush money.
Maybe he bothered to pay anybody back in

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order to kill two stories about chicksie
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selection run. And do I give
a crap about this? Is there a

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real violation of the law? Maybe? Is it a felony? Is it

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worth this circus? No? And
are they gonna actually prosecute him? I

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don't see how, because on the
face of it objectively doesn't look right.

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And by the way, jury nullification, you only need one juror to basically

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go net and it's gonna be nothing. And I think it's gonna amount to

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a whole lot of nothing except this. He has a daily reach into multiple

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platforms, can be heard all around
the world because everybody's hanging on every event,

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every testimony, and everybody waits at
the end of the day for him

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to come out and go this is
unfair. This is a Democrat judge,

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this is a Joe Biden trial.
He's controlling this. You know, they

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can't decide, by the way,
whether Joe is a tremendous mastermind controlling and

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wielding the entirety of the Justice Department
as a weapon against people, or if

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he is completely deranged, lost and
forgot which diaper he's wearing. On a

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daily basis, they can't make up
their minds as to which Joe Biden they

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want to attack here. And Trump
is the guy falling asleep in court,

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by the way, And I don't
blame him there because he's not allowed to

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talk, and he's falling asleep because
court is boring unless you're actively doing something.

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And all he can do is open
up his mouth and cause more problems

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for him, because whoops, that's
the way. Actually most of us go

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to court. You better keep your
mouth shut and follow the judges directions.

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Otherwise you're gonna get berated, held
in contempt, jacked around, or ruled

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against. That's the way most of
us go to court. Now. Trump's

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not used to that because normally,
even when he totally screws people over and

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winds up paying pennies on the dollar
on settlements, he doesn't have to go

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to court. This time he did, and ops one of the very few

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family members that decided to show up
in support, with solidarity gleaming from them

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in the courtroom. Recently is in
the nine days, I think we've had

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two appearances from family members. Today, Eric Trump decided to check in and

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make sure he was there to show
support for dad. But now that I've

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covered all that, Joe your thoughts, I think that you covered that quite

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well. Actually, I mean,
he's complaining that he can't go on the

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campaign trail, but he is on
the campaign trail, folks. If he's

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on that TV every day, he's
getting coverage that no other candidate's getting.

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Right, He's getting the publicity,
and there's no such thing as bad publicity.

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We all know that. Unless that
you know, we're idiots so this

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is working to his advantage. There's
no doubt about it. I mean,

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because he's getting FaceTime with the whole
country on TV all day long, you

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know, So it's working to his
advantage. So I mean, is it

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a mastermind planned by the Democrats or
is it a mastermind plan by his own

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party or is it just a plan
by the singular party system to make sure

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that when you reinstall Trump this time
it will be with good reason? After

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all, he can make an argument
that he's been the victim of the system.

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I mean, even when this stuff
goes to the Supreme Court, which

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he fully loaded, he can complain
about it all no matter which way this

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thing turns out for him. And
he's in the news every day, a

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guaranteed press conference with multiple coverage and
lots of interest at the end of every

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day in court. So how do
you beat that for free publicity? By

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the way, you don't have to
pay for any of it. And he'll

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probably stiff his lawyers along the way. Last thing, by the way,

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there's going to be another hearing on
his gag order at nine am on Thursday.

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As this circus continues, day by
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again I think it'll be much to
do about nothing but that nine thousand dollars,

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which would be a horrifying and crippling
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a big deal to him if he
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contempt fee. And they're gonna have
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on Thursday at nine am and get
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am, because he's on TV all
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top at the end, like I
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in front of reporters at the end
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thing that was logical to complain about
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Guess what, They didn't mike him
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They need to fix that, because
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nine days not having trump micd well, even though he speaks loudly enough to

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be heard. They don't have great
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part. As a matter of fact, I support Jake Tapper's complaint. We

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should have great sound quality. I
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nonsense at least make it up correctly, don't you. Yeah, I mean,

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yeah, I agree fully. If
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use for this, It's like when
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I'm like, don't do that.
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go for the gold, you know, Yeah, the same. It's

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the same principle. If you're gonna
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I've got surrounds down in my house
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well, and here's the thing.
If you're gonna do something, at least

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do it right. I mean,
like, I totally don't understand freely,

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completely free adult individuals who have lots
of options turning around and somehow voluntarily buying

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soft core porn. Look, if
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thing, get it all the way, you know. And if you're gonna

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send hundreds of dollars in, why
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I mean, come on, you
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do it, make it a legitimate
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if you're gonna do something, do
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there's a lot of ways to look
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none of this is gonna stop him
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quotation marks winning. This quotation marks
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the best I can tell. And
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he he other than his money and
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Yeah, no, And that's exactly
the guy that they want to elevate.

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Because if you talk to anybody who
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they're being honest, the fact is
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is that money. And they think
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I mean, that's the thing,
right, he deserves to be a

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leader because he was a businessman and
he knows his business. Now they only

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think that because he's survived so long
and he was on TV and he tells

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you how rich he is. Truthfully, they have no concept of what it's

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like to, you know, be
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of fines and everything else, right, right, And these court cases against

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him, I'm telling you, they're
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whether it's this Georgia case with all
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circus in New York. And again, none of it will stop him from

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ascending to the presidency if that is
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shocked if that is not the twenty
twenty fourth plan. So now that we've

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tackled the Trump thing, we can
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the ironic side of this, I
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sorry about that, starring Stormy and
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I'm looking for it now because I
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which streaming service I watched it on. She tells the whole deal, I

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mean, how she was afraid for
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and people were threatening to kill her
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her that they knew her daughter's name
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it was it was, uh,
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I mean, because she seems quite
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seems that way, But you know, at the end of the day,

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I gotta be honest with you.
We have a celebrity driven society, right

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where one way or another, if
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you have an alleged level of financial
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You're allowed to behave a certain way, it's okay. And so in that

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way, I gotta tell you,
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that support her. She's you know, hey, she got paid.

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She's a celebrity too. I mean
a different kind of celebrity than Trump,

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but still she's a celebrity. I
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we heard her name connected to Trump. Uh, you know, just saying,

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all right, I don't know why
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found it. It's a Peacock original
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go. It was entertaining and somewhat
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about the sexual encounter. She tells
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and you know, and said that
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not right. Well, look,
and here's the thing I don't even care

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about. Do you care? That's
the thing? Love this guy or hate

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this guy? Does anybody actually care? I mean of course, of course

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they don't. They cared when Clinton
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he's doing it right. And meanwhile, he was just grabbing the intern that

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he happened to have access to.
Did she go over the whole mushroom shape

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thing in that documentary? Did she
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However, I will loosely quote her
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he was telling her that he was
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took her upstairs to his room,
and he left the room. And when

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she claims that as soon as he
came out, he cornered her and began

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humping her. She said, but
it was not rape because I did not

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say no. But it was shocking. Yeah. Look, and there's no

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rape allegation here right now, and
I didn't allege that at all. She

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says that it was consensual because she
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there you have it. And here's
the thing. I don't care what he

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does. Is he there you go? It does not bother me so long

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as he's not victimizing somebody. Why
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mean? And if his wife wants
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and his business, and who cares? What's that got to do with policy?

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And of course I'm using these words
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words. They don't mean it.
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makes, you know, bloviating declarations. I mean, do you believe for

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a second that Donald Trump wrote any
of his policies, executive orders, laws?

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I mean, you think he had
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No. Not only do I not
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I don't believe he read any of
it either. No, fine,

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fair enough, And you know what, I'm also not bothered by that.

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Indeed, you know, some of
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talking about well, look, you
know, there was actually a point at

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which Sarah Huncaby Sanders is handling some
of this hush money stuff, and I'm

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like, well, of course she's
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we shouldn't be having government employees dealing
with his scandals. He should take

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care of that, you know,
during his personal time, with his personal

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assets. But the way Trump saw
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he owns everything, just like the
documents. Anyway, that's a story

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for another day. But I want
to drop Trump because, eh, I'm

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just sick and tired of talking about
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have to a bunch more in the
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I don't discuss him with anyone anymore
because it's extremely frustrating. Right, It's

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extremely frustrating to me to talk politics
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they've been fooled. So there's no
common ground for me to start a conversation

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with them politically because I know that
they bought it, and as soon as

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they have an intense emotional reaction,
you know one thing for sure, you're

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going to get lots of frustration,
obfuscation, and problems trying to communicate with

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him. And the weird thing is
people judge you for this and start to

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think of everything, like judge everything
about you based on your political orientation now,

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which is something that didn't used to
be. It wasn't like, oh,

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I don't want you playing with that
kid in the neighborhood because his parents

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are Republicans or you know, his
parents are Democrats. Yeah, you can't

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play with those kids, you know, It's not like that. You can't

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play with them. Lib Dard's yeah, right, exactly. So let's move

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on to some stuff that actually does
affect us directly and something that you know,

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I mean, we're not going to
have any say in this anyway.

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He's going to be installed as president, I'm pretty sure, unless they can

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come up with a new shocker.
And oh, by the way, just

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like we talked about RFK Junior on
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I was to begin with, although
he's gotten himself on a couple of ballots

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since then, but he's not going
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so even theoretically he can't possibly win
the selection. So no, I have

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a couple of possibilities, a couple
of directions, and I'll let you choose

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one to go in because on these
I want to read from a couple of

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articles, which, by the way, there's more than one article out there

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about this, but I picked the
cream of the crop best I could to

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handle each of these issues. So
let's give it to you. In short,

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we have On the one hand,
I'll just give you the headline we

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live in the age of vulture capitalism, and vulture capitalism is in quotes,

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the next one, the Twinkie Defense, what we know about diet and crime?

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Okay? And then in Stars and
Stripes of all Places Okay, I'm

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not kidding, the military publication online
version of course, sword wielding man attacks

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passerby in London, killing a fourteen
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pick one so we can begin to
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with twinkies. Twinkies, why not? Now you've heard of the twinkie defense,

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I imagine, have you, Joe? Uh no? Ah? Okay,

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so then this is going to be
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though this is a very old concept. So let's get to it. I'm

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not gonna do the key takeaways part. Maybe I should nah forget the key.

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Yeah, we'll do the key takeaways
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And by the way, all of
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in the notes with the podcast.
But also I'm gonna drop some of these

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links in the chatroom at ochelli dot
com and you can always roll it back

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by date and take a listen.
So remember again, it's April thirty,

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as I speak, and if you
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room, then you'll see me dropping
links to some of these things that I'm

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going to read from and discuss.
So from big sink dot com. Okay,

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here we go the article. Let's
see it has a listen option on

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it, key takeaways at the top. Like I said, uh, let's

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see, I was looking for the
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Ross Pomeroy. Anyways, in nineteen
seventy eight, Dan White murdered San

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Francisco City supervisor Harvey Milk and Mayor
George Moscone. Of this, there was

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no doubt. White had turned himself
in then tearfully and remorsefully confessed to shooting

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each of the men his former colleagues
multiple times. At White's nineteen seventy nine

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trial, the only question was how
stiff his penalty would be. Now,

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I'm gonna pause from the article and
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Milk, all right, was the
outwardly gay mayor of San Francisco, and

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Mayor George Moscone was also connected to
Harvey Milk, and this guy, yeah,

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indeed, assassinated Harvey Milk. I
think it was. Let's see Sean

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Penn, who starred in a movie
about milk. It might have been called

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milk directly. Anyways, let's get
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a skillful defense during the court proceedings. They claimed that their client's mental cape

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capacity was diminished by stress and severe
depression. His heinous actions were not fully

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within his conscious control. Thus a
first degree murder charge, punishable with twenty

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five years to life in prison was
too harsh. A sentence pause from the

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article. Do remember that in the
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abolished in California. Actually, a
moratorium was put on it, and they

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decided. Even Charles Manson had his
death penalty commuted, so did Sir Anne

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Surhan okay, who still remains in
prison. Anyways. Manson died a few

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years ago, but Sir Han's still
there. Anyway, back to the article.

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During the trial, the defense team
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He told them that White was a
fitness enthusiast who prided himself on eating

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right and staying healthy. However,
during depressive episodes, White would enter into

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a quote vicious circle end quote of
junk food consumption whenever he felt things were

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not going right, he would abandon
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and start gorging himself on junk foods
Twinkies, Coca Cola. Blinder testified.

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Blinder subsequently stated, quote, there
is a substantial body of evidence that ends

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susceptible individuals. Large quantities of what
we call junk food, high sugar content,

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food with lots of preservatives, can
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There have been some studies, for
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called career minded criminals and taken them
off all their junk food and put them

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on milk and meat and potatoes,
and their criminal records immediately evaporate. The

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press went wild, dubbing the lawyer's
tactic the quote twinkie defense. Were they

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try to blame their client's double murder
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In actuality, White's legal team only
mentioned his unhealthy venders as a sign

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of his depression, not the cause
of it. Still, the twinkie defense

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00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:18.240
narrative is stuck, and it might
have paid off. White was only convicted

408
00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:22.839
of manslaughter and sentenced to seven years
in prison. In a paper recently published

409
00:30:22.839 --> 00:30:30.799
in the International Journal of Environmental Research
and Public Health, a multidisciplinary team of

410
00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:36.680
researchers referenced the quote twinkie defense end
quote. In the decades since Dan White's

411
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trial, scientists have explored the relationship
between nutrition and crime. They found intriguing

412
00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:45.880
signs that the two are linked.
Now, this article goes on further,

413
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:48.480
but I'm not going to read the
whole thing, and I'm going to tell

414
00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:55.759
you this. If you consider that
the general quality of the food for people

415
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that live in food deserts in inner
city areas, a lot of them are

416
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:03.559
eating crap, And gee, I
wonder why the violent crime is so high

417
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:07.960
up. If you take a look
at the dietary consumption, your average as

418
00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:15.680
sociopath, your average career criminal does
not eat a healthy diet. They never

419
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:22.640
have. Now, is this correlation
or is this causation? There's a big

420
00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:26.759
consideration. But I'm telling you now
there's something to this. Indeed, I

421
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:32.160
even took notes with a more than
one person when of all people, John

422
00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:37.559
Barber pointed out to me that the
individuals that we know personally who have sweet

423
00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:42.200
tooth issues right where they're very susceptible
to they seem to always have to have

424
00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:47.680
a need to take in some junks, some sugar, especially candy as adults,

425
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:52.000
and they have a need for like
a little bit of a constant flow.

426
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:55.200
It may not be every single day
or several times a day, but

427
00:31:55.960 --> 00:32:00.960
at some point or other they have
kind of a requirement where taking in junk,

428
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:04.000
a lot of high sugar items,
things like this, garbage food.

429
00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:07.519
Well, it's usually because they've suffered
some sort of trauma. You put these

430
00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:15.720
things together, the traumatic sugar response, where people consume sugar when generally they've

431
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:19.039
had bad childhoods. That's the way
John Barber put it to me, people

432
00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:23.920
with bad childhoods often really get into
their candy bars and stuff as adults.

433
00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:29.839
But put that aside, that's just
an observation that seems to be proving itself

434
00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:34.079
out as I examine anybody I get
to know. But here's the weird thing.

435
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:37.839
Think about this. The people that
are career criminals, the people that

436
00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:44.960
are constantly involved in the violent,
nonsensical, you know, pressurized situations.

437
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:49.200
They live in food deserts, they
crap food. They are on you know,

438
00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:54.920
low incomes, which basically makes it
impossible for someone to afford organic stuff

439
00:32:55.200 --> 00:33:00.480
for someone to afford good food,
clean food. And you know what,

440
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:05.640
I wonder, if it is just
that simple, if people could afford to

441
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:08.480
eat better, and you are what
you eat, maybe you wouldn't be such

442
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:13.759
a junk food person if you didn't
have junk food to eat, because that

443
00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:17.279
wasn't your only damn option. What
are your thoughts on this, Joe,

444
00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:22.400
Well, you made me want sweets, and now I'm chewing on a piece

445
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:28.000
of taffy. Okay, fair enough, and quite honestly I want a piece

446
00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:31.480
of chocolate right now as I'm talking
to you. But still think about that

447
00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:37.640
though, if you consider name me
seriously, If you examine the life of

448
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:42.279
any career criminal, any severe serialized
criminal, whether it be a murderer or

449
00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:45.480
a rapist, an arsonist, you
know, some kind of thief that's constantly

450
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:52.680
doing whatever they're doing, take note, they're never healthy eaters. The people

451
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:59.640
that are engaged in that almost seemingly
addicted to crime and violence and abusing trespassing

452
00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:05.000
upon others and their property. Take
note, they're never people that have good

453
00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:09.840
diets. Have you ever noticed this? Well, no, I have it,

454
00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:14.519
But now that you mention it,
you remind me of our first subject

455
00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:19.400
of the night. Yeah, okay, Trump loves fast food. See,

456
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:21.679
I didn't want to go back to
Trump. I didn't even want to relate

457
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:23.599
it to I really wanted to think
about poor people. Now, Trump by

458
00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:28.079
choice eats his KFC. And you
know, you see what he orders with

459
00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:30.159
the big husky football players when they're
all coming to the White House. Right,

460
00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:35.199
what was it the three hundred Big
Macs or whatever, huge amount of

461
00:34:35.239 --> 00:34:37.840
fast food. But look, forget
about his fast food. But consider it

462
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:42.639
anyway, and forget about Trump.
Let's go to poor people. What do

463
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:46.760
they eat? Take a look at
the dietary intake of poor people when they're

464
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:50.639
struggling. Sometimes they don't have enough
to eat. But when they do have

465
00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:55.599
enough to eat, it's usually the
cheapest, lowest priced crap possible. Lots

466
00:34:55.599 --> 00:35:00.920
of high fructose corn syrup, lots
of sugars, lots of fillers, lots

467
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:07.480
of garbage, junk food, creating
a junk situation. And again I remember

468
00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:09.639
being told as a child, you
are what you eat. It definitely,

469
00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:14.280
but think about it. People that
say they're depressed, Yes, in the

470
00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:17.880
in the Twinkie defense trial, Uh, it's a result right where he goes

471
00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:22.440
to the junk food as a result
of his depression. And you've heard that

472
00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:23.800
before. I mean, whether it's
a woman who says, I gotta eat

473
00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:27.880
a whole thing of ice cream when
I'm depressed or when I have my period

474
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:30.639
or whatever, or it's a dude
who says, you know what, when

475
00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:35.760
I feel down a lot of times, I gotta go consume this or that.

476
00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:39.199
And oh, by the bye,
what is a lot of the alcohol

477
00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:45.239
that people intake? Sugar? So
is sugar sugary substance, junk food,

478
00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:52.519
things that are low in nutrition but
high in sugar content and filler garbage content.

479
00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:58.719
Is this both causation and correlation where
if you're you know, in a

480
00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:02.719
bad situation, you reach for that
stuff, but also you create worse situations

481
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:07.679
by constantly consuming it. And obviously, if that's the chemistry you're putting into

482
00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:13.320
your chemistry set you call your body, it's going to affect you. So

483
00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:19.159
it could be causation and correlation where
it's a vicious cycle. What do you

484
00:36:19.159 --> 00:36:22.079
think of that? It could very
well be you know, you are what

485
00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:27.119
you eat. They say, so
you eat a bunch of swine, or

486
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:30.079
eat a bunch of sugar, a
bunch of junk and you're probably going to

487
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:36.039
be a swineful junkie person. There
you go. I mean, I don't

488
00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:37.880
know why this is a difficult thing
for people to wrap their minds around.

489
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:42.679
Of course, you know, everybody
blames one hundred things. And you know,

490
00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:45.400
Kim was having a debate online with
somebody about, gee, what do

491
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:49.519
we do with these kids who are
violating curfew? Well, we'll put the

492
00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:52.239
parents in prison, you know,
that's the response. Let's bring more cops

493
00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:55.360
in, Let's bring more of the
system in. And I know that's a

494
00:36:55.360 --> 00:37:00.760
lot of people's responses. And hey, if we can't all the kids through

495
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:04.559
the juvenile system hard enough, let's
put their parents in the court system too.

496
00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:08.039
YadA YadA, YadA. But consider
again, if all they're fed is

497
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:12.519
crap, and all they're surrounded by
is crap, what do you expect them

498
00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:17.159
to act like or value crap?
Nothing? So here we go. All

499
00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:22.719
I'm saying is maybe the answers are
way simpler than people want to make them.

500
00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:28.000
And it's not about the system that
you know is meant to incarcerate,

501
00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:34.360
punish, and indeed penalize us all. But maybe it is about the system

502
00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:39.719
that is feeding us crap. What
do you think? It could very well

503
00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:45.360
be? It is absolutely a possibility
because you know, that brain needs fuel.

504
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:49.920
And if you know, if you've
got a car and you put fuel

505
00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:52.760
in it that's drugged or has too
much water in it, then your car

506
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:55.960
is not going to run right.
So if you're putting you know, junk

507
00:37:57.000 --> 00:38:00.519
fuel in you, that's what your
brain's run on. There you have it.

508
00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:06.599
So anyway, let's consider the rest
of the you know, the rest

509
00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:08.960
of the landscape out there, if
you will, maybe we should go with

510
00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:15.599
Since we handled the twinkie defense,
we got vulture capitalism or we got the

511
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:19.840
sword wielding man one way or the
other. I think we'll save the sword

512
00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:23.400
wielding man for the end and go
with vulture capitalism. What do you think?

513
00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:29.880
Okay? And I find this phrase
interesting and have not read the article,

514
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:34.039
so I just grabbed this based on
the phrase because I think it's a

515
00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:37.519
perfect way to look at it.
What kind of system are we living in

516
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:43.400
where indeed the poor get poor,
the rich stay rich and if you're privileged,

517
00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:47.639
you get away with anything you want. Okay, really, and that's

518
00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:52.880
the way the world works. Oh
good, that reminds me of one of

519
00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:57.840
those rock and roll articles I read
today. The very heading said Roger Waters

520
00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:01.360
was talking about is Us and Them
tour and his quote was, it's about

521
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:07.079
the rich getting richer and the poor
getting poorer. M Gee, I wonder

522
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:10.079
why somebody would create art with that
in their mind. Oh, because they're

523
00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:15.119
thinking about things as opposed to just, you know, being forced into reactionary

524
00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:20.559
politics and such. But look,
I don't take too seriously what these guys

525
00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:25.639
have to say, but still musicians
occasionally cool that He related it to that

526
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:30.119
old Pink Floyd song Us and Them, you know, and he said,

527
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:32.840
that's that's what he was talking about. There you go, And look,

528
00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:37.639
philosophy often can come from rock and
roll, so keep that in mind as

529
00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:43.920
we go. This article is under
the current Affairs section on Okay, Current

530
00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:50.880
affairs dot org. Excuse me,
and we live. We live in the

531
00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:55.039
age of quote vulture capitalism. The
headline is just striking to me. I

532
00:39:55.119 --> 00:40:00.719
love it, but did not read
this article. So let's discover together what

533
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:07.239
vulture capitalism is great, okay.
Grace Blakely is one of the left's leading

534
00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:12.519
economic thinkers. In her new book, Vulture Capitalism, Blakely explains how capitalism

535
00:40:12.559 --> 00:40:17.880
really works and gives a crucial primer
on the modern economy. She joins Today

536
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:24.000
to explain why conceiving of free markets
and quotes and quote government planning end quotes

537
00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:34.559
as opposites is highly misleading because one
neoliberal, because our neoliberal quote market based

538
00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:40.079
end quote economy involves many deep ties
between the state and corporations. Instead of

539
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:46.159
thinking of quote capitalism end quote and
quote socialism end quote as a spectrum that

540
00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:52.519
runs from markets to governments, Blakely
says we should focus our analysis on who

541
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:59.800
owns and controls production and who gets
the benefits. The conversation originally appeared on

542
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:05.760
the Current Affairs podcast. So this
is a conversation Joe pulling away from the

543
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:08.360
article, and I think I'm going
to read a few pieces of the back

544
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:12.480
and forth and get your take on
it. If you don't mind, what

545
00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:15.679
do you say? Hey, that
sounds good to me, okay. Nathan

546
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:20.400
J. Robinson asks Blakely this,
when I describe you to people, Grace

547
00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:24.199
Blakely, I describe you as quote
a scary, smart end quote. You

548
00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:30.000
know everything about the global economy,
and you've read everything. This new book,

549
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:35.800
Vulture Capitalism contains mountains of research explains
the way the entire global economy works

550
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:42.199
and also provides a compelling alternative vision
of how the entire economy could be structured.

551
00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:45.239
That's what you'll get when you pick
up Vulture Capitalism by Grace Blakely.

552
00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:50.400
Grace says, what an intro,
what a description of the book. I'm

553
00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:54.119
so glad that you enjoyed it.
Back to Robinson, Yes, it's phenomenal.

554
00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:58.440
I really do mean that. There's
so much in the book, and

555
00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:02.079
so I was trying to think of
what I can start with that is simple

556
00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:07.840
and goes to the core of it. So we have this popular conception that

557
00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:13.239
is everywhere there's something called the quote
state end quote, and there's something called

558
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:19.480
the quote market end quote. Quote
capitalism end quote is when the market makes

559
00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:24.119
decisions. People choose what to buy
in the market, and that's what determines

560
00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:30.599
what happens in the economy. The
quote state end quote is the other thing.

561
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:37.280
Quote socialism end quote is when the
state owns everything and does the planning.

562
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:45.119
This binary state slash market capitalism slash
central planning is very common, and

563
00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:50.039
I think one of the core things
you're trying to do is blow this apart.

564
00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:53.760
Blakely yes, just completely blow it
apart. It's just wrong. The

565
00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:58.519
reason that I started thinking that this
was something that I needed to write at

566
00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:02.599
the beginning of the Pandemic twenty nineteen. There had been the recent loss of

567
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:07.440
the general election by the Labor Party. I was doing a bunch of interviews

568
00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:14.519
on TV during the pandemic, and
all the kinds of new readers and interviewers

569
00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:20.480
were saying, quote, Jeremy Corbin
lost the election, but ultimately you got

570
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:24.960
what you wanted because we have the
state spending loads of money and that socialism.

571
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:30.840
We didn't even need Jeremy Corbin to
win the election because you've got socialism

572
00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:37.599
and it's being delivered by Conservative Party. I just found it so staggering every

573
00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:43.920
time I was confronted with this argument, and it led me to realize that

574
00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:46.920
the vast majority of people, even
educated people who were asking these questions,

575
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:52.320
just don't know the difference between capitalism
and socialism and have this flawed understanding of

576
00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:58.920
what capitalism actually is. It comes
from the divide that we've had in our

577
00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:07.159
politics between social democracy and neoliberalism,
between Frederick von Heike, who was the

578
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:14.480
darling of the neoliberals, and John
Maydard Keynes the two heroes or villains,

579
00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:20.440
depending on which side you're on of
our economic and political debate for most of

580
00:44:20.480 --> 00:44:24.400
the twentieth century. Keene said,
quote, we need a state to tame

581
00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:31.239
the irrationalities of the market. We
need government intervention, and we need the

582
00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:37.880
public sector to invest end quote,
even if in the middle of a crisis,

583
00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:43.039
and just to give them jobs to
create income and kind of boost economic

584
00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:45.840
growth. And then how it comes
in and says this kind of planning by

585
00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:52.360
the state is the source of all
tyranny and creates inefficiencies that undermine the functioning

586
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:57.519
of the market. We need less
state, a different kind of state that

587
00:44:57.599 --> 00:45:01.440
does less stuff. Basically, that
is the kind of argument that won the

588
00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:08.800
nineteen eighties and saw neoliberals like Thatcher, Reagan, and Pinochet in Chile come

589
00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:15.119
to power. Everywhere we're told that
they shrunk the state, but they didn't

590
00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:22.400
Robinson. Even leftists say they did. Blakey exactly. We get called out

591
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:31.280
here because we're also signed up to
this kind of dictamony. We often say

592
00:45:31.559 --> 00:45:37.199
things like they quote deregulated end quote
and reduced public spending and all that sort

593
00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:42.599
of stuff. And while in some
cases that is true, it's very misleading

594
00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:47.719
because with the type of regulation that
we have, there wasn't less regulation after

595
00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:52.559
the neoliberal shift. There was actually
often more. It required huge amounts of

596
00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:59.440
regulation to create markets where no markets
existed before, for example in healthcare,

597
00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:04.559
in the area of the public sector. Now I'm going to stop, and

598
00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:12.039
here we go reframing history a bit. You have to consider that state intervention,

599
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:17.159
the markets, the economy, all
of these fictional constructs are completely manipulated

600
00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:22.079
and have real world effects. But
people have this idea that a guy like

601
00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:27.440
Reagan removed all of this stuff.
He was actually almost like what a libertarian

602
00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:31.400
is, less government, smaller government, But the government didn't in actuality get

603
00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:36.800
smaller. The influence on business,
the manipulations of the markets, the money

604
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:44.199
itself, everything has only increased over
time, which is very anti capitalist.

605
00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:47.920
And in truth, is there even
a capitalist system that exists at this point

606
00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:54.679
without some sort of socialistic or almost
communistic aspects in it? Do we not

607
00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:59.840
have complete blends all these purists out
there, who are you know, Kingsian

608
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:04.960
economic people or the other way around. It's irrelevant. The system in and

609
00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:09.159
of itself has become so all encompassing
that to try and say that there's any

610
00:47:09.199 --> 00:47:15.719
sort of independence available for you to
you know, begin to occupy as an

611
00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:22.639
individual or as a group of individuals, it's almost impossible now and that's the

612
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:24.480
way things have gone. So what
are your thoughts on this? I know

613
00:47:24.519 --> 00:47:29.719
it's a little more a little more
complex than the earlier issue, and don't

614
00:47:29.719 --> 00:47:31.599
worry, we're going to simplify it
before we're done. But what are your

615
00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:35.679
thoughts about this, this idea that
you know, these people that were supposed

616
00:47:35.679 --> 00:47:39.599
to be heroes of smaller government,
greater freedom for other people, the truth

617
00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:44.480
is they actually made it worse.
And it's not really even their fault,

618
00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:47.519
because that is the inertia, if
you will, of the entirety of the

619
00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:52.760
system. The more the system and
government gets involved in private business, the

620
00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:57.320
more that there is no such thing
as private business, the more that there

621
00:47:57.400 --> 00:48:00.960
is no such thing as upward mobility. Here we are. You know,

622
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:07.239
people are afraid of socialism, but
it's built into everything already, and neoliberalism

623
00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:09.760
is really how a lot of this
stuff needs to be described as opposed to

624
00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:16.360
conservative economic policy, because the reality
is the government never gets uninvolved once it's

625
00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:23.000
involved in things so what you thought. It actually reminded me of Jay Krishna

626
00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:31.679
Murdy listening to the article there.
He always talked about how it didn't matter

627
00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:37.519
what you called your government, because
all you're really doing is identifying with something

628
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:40.079
that's larger than you. And it
doesn't really matter what you call it.

629
00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:45.960
Call it socialism, call it communism, call it capitalism. It's basically all

630
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:50.039
the same thing. So you know, it's kind of how the lady put

631
00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:52.880
it to right, Yeah, pretty
much. Yeah, And christ Namurdy said

632
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:58.239
that a long long time ago.
You're just identifying with the larger because you

633
00:48:58.360 --> 00:49:04.960
feel small, And I'm quite honestly, all of the isms amount to basically

634
00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:07.199
ending up in the same basket.
I mean again, it's much like the

635
00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:10.039
whole I'm on the left, I'm
on the right, I'm a Republican,

636
00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:15.280
I'm a Democrat. At the end
of the day, all you are is

637
00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:19.800
cheerleading for one or other of the
corporate entities that are all connected to the

638
00:49:19.840 --> 00:49:22.559
same thing. You know, even
when you're cheering for your favorite NFL team,

639
00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:28.519
it is the NFL that benefits in
total and redistributes the wealth amongst themselves.

640
00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:34.440
Anyway, after you spend your money
It's just like watching the WWE formerly

641
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:37.199
the WWF, and you can root
for the good guys, the bad guys,

642
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:42.119
or the guys who have the best
masks or face paint you like whatever,

643
00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:46.119
or the best finish and move always
like Superfly Jimmy Snooka for that.

644
00:49:46.159 --> 00:49:50.920
He was always going off of those
top ropes. Oh yeah, but a

645
00:49:51.039 --> 00:49:54.320
horrible human being behind the scenes.
Superfly Jimmy snook a abusive, crazy,

646
00:49:54.360 --> 00:50:00.960
cocaine adduled, but hell of an
interesting entertainer, you know about. And

647
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:02.480
he could have been a politician,
couldn't he. Well, that's what I

648
00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:07.599
was about to say. And you
were talking about the isms, and I

649
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:14.000
want to mention my two least favorite
isms. I actually despise them. Sure,

650
00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:22.599
those two isms are nationalism and patriotism. Uh again, I have to

651
00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:25.760
refer to Christiana Murty again on that
he referred to them as a form of

652
00:50:25.880 --> 00:50:34.559
stupidity. M fair enough, yeah, so, but the lady seemed to

653
00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:37.840
be spot on, but in a
way that she believes in the system.

654
00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:40.639
So it reminded me of Christiana Murty, who did not. But they were

655
00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:44.559
saying the same thing. Fair enough, but look, she's part of the

656
00:50:44.599 --> 00:50:45.920
evil left. Joe so you can't
listen to her, you know that,

657
00:50:46.039 --> 00:50:52.760
right, You gotta shut him down
early and right away. Looked they even

658
00:50:52.840 --> 00:50:57.360
remotely identify her as being on the
left. That's like the church lady going

659
00:50:57.719 --> 00:51:01.559
satan. You know, it's exactly
that anymore. It's just it's all the

660
00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:06.400
devil if it ain't part of your
program, right, yeah, that's exactly

661
00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:10.039
right. Yeah, And around here
home, man, anything that's outside the

662
00:51:10.119 --> 00:51:14.320
right wing norm is the devil.
Right, well, that's what I was

663
00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:16.840
going for. So let's go to
something that is a little more in the

664
00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:22.039
right wing norm, but not necessarily
because this story isn't right wing norm,

665
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:25.039
but odd place for it to put
it, even though it's appeared in several

666
00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:29.880
publications Stars and Stripes. Now,
for those of you who don't know what

667
00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:35.800
Stars and Stripes is, it's a
military Stars and Stripes military publication. It

668
00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:39.920
used to be like the army newspaper, you know, and nowadays it survives

669
00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:45.239
online. I don't know if people
subscribe anymore. But I have one of

670
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:47.800
the weirdest stories I've ever seen pop
up on Stars and Stripes, and I

671
00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:52.400
think I got this out of JP
Satilli's rundown because it was just one of

672
00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:55.679
those weird random things he threw in
toward the end. But I got to

673
00:51:55.719 --> 00:51:59.480
tell you I think that there is
a great metaphor in this story, and

674
00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:01.320
I'm not gonna I'm not going to
reveal it to you the listener. I

675
00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:07.360
want you to figure out the metaphor
so you can play the home version of

676
00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:10.639
the Ocelli effect. How's that sound? And are you ready for this one?

677
00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:15.519
Joe, I'm ready? You say? This is from JP. It

678
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:17.800
was on the Rundown. He didn't
write this, no, but it was.

679
00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:21.239
When he does the rundown. You
know, you get a bunch of

680
00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:23.760
news stories that come together to make
you know, a narrative. Well,

681
00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:28.519
anyway, even if you read his
rundown today, you would not know what

682
00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:30.559
the hell to make of this story. I'm telling you the metaphor. You

683
00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:35.639
got to figure out what I'm thinking
the metaphor is if you want to identify

684
00:52:35.719 --> 00:52:37.559
it, and by the way,
email it to me if you think you

685
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:43.559
know what grand societal metaphor I think
this represents. If you want to play

686
00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:45.280
this home game with me. If
you don't, don't, and otherwise,

687
00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:47.719
you know, look, just ignore
what I'm saying, like most people do.

688
00:52:49.519 --> 00:52:54.599
Anyway. Stars and Stripes, okay, and this is Sylvia. I'm

689
00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:59.559
not sure how to say the name
because it's like hui, so I guess

690
00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:02.119
it's high or who I all right, and it says it came from the

691
00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:07.960
Associated Press, but they republished it
today in Stars and Stripes April thirtieth.

692
00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:13.920
All right, London, here we
go. A man wielding a sword attacked

693
00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:19.679
members of the public and police officers
in a northeast London suburb Tuesday, killing

694
00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:23.880
a fourteen year old boy and injuring
four other people. British authorities said a

695
00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:29.639
thirty six year old man was subdued
with a stun gun and arrested on suspicion

696
00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:36.199
of murder in a residential area near
a Hanault subway station. Police said the

697
00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:40.920
violence wasn't being treated as terror related
or targeted attack. Hang on a second,

698
00:53:44.559 --> 00:53:49.679
So you have to identify that a
lunatic whipping a sword around in public.

699
00:53:50.480 --> 00:53:54.239
He he's not a terrorist. Weird
that you even need to say that.

700
00:53:55.519 --> 00:54:00.400
Anyway, Let's go back to the
story. Police said that the fourteen

701
00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:05.840
year old died at a hospital from
his injuries. Two police officers were hospitalized

702
00:54:05.840 --> 00:54:12.159
for stab wounds. Two other people
were also injured. Chief supped Supt.

703
00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:15.119
I'm not sure what that's short for, but you know, some sort of

704
00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:21.320
police official Stuart Bell described the incident
as quote truly horrific end quote quote I

705
00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:25.119
cannot even begin to imagine how those
affected must be feeling. End quote,

706
00:54:25.199 --> 00:54:30.199
he said outside the homes in East
London where the attack happened. The Metropolitan

707
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:36.440
Police said they were called early Tuesday
to reports of a vehicle being driven into

708
00:54:36.440 --> 00:54:42.280
a house in a residential street and
people being stabbed. Witness videos broadcast on

709
00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:45.599
British media showed a man in a
yellow hoodie holding a long sword or knife

710
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:52.199
walking near houses in the area.
One video showed police officers yelling quote drop

711
00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:58.280
the sword end quote and quote lock
your doors end quote as they chased the

712
00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:02.920
suspect, who was seen climbing over
fences and into people's gardens. Deputy Assistant

713
00:55:02.920 --> 00:55:09.199
Commissioner aide adol Adaken said police don't
believe there was a threat to the wider

714
00:55:09.280 --> 00:55:14.679
community. Quote we are not looking
for more suspects end quote, he said.

715
00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:20.760
Quote the incident does not appear to
be terrorists related end quote. Prime

716
00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:27.519
Minister Rishi Sunak said the incident was
quote shocking end quote, adding quote such

717
00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:31.400
violence has no place in our streets
end quote. King Charles the Third said

718
00:55:31.519 --> 00:55:37.559
his thoughts and prayers were with the
family of the young victim, and he

719
00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:45.000
saluted the courage of emergency workers.
Buckingham Palace said, Transport for London said

720
00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:52.719
the Hanault station was closed because of
a police investigation in the area. And

721
00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:57.480
yeah, that's from Stars and Stripes
today. So, Joe, without any

722
00:55:57.519 --> 00:56:00.079
further commentary from me outside of that
one, I had to throw in there,

723
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:05.360
like you gotta tell us this is
not a terrorist attack, like seriously,

724
00:56:06.119 --> 00:56:08.639
but anyway, skip that, because
all I can think of is if

725
00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:12.840
it was a terrorist attack, it
might be like those old Bugs Bunny cartoons

726
00:56:13.119 --> 00:56:20.719
where the guy was running around going
hassan shop. But since it wasn't that

727
00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:27.280
okay in our cartoon world, Joe, any thoughts. Pretty tragic that a

728
00:56:27.320 --> 00:56:30.599
fourteen year old had to die by
sword in twenty twenty four number one,

729
00:56:34.039 --> 00:56:37.519
So condolences to his family or her
family. Was it fourteen year old?

730
00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:40.159
Male or female? I can't remember, you know, I don't recall if

731
00:56:40.199 --> 00:56:43.760
it said male or female either.
But let's take a look. Let me

732
00:56:43.880 --> 00:56:46.119
roll it back. But I think
they just said fourteen year old, because

733
00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:51.679
you don't usually identify miners, I
think so, so that's probably why I

734
00:56:51.719 --> 00:56:59.159
don't remember. But yeah, it's
a pretty tragic A family lost a young

735
00:56:59.199 --> 00:57:07.280
member. And it's really strange that
again that you've mentioned it twice already,

736
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:08.440
but I've got to hit on it
again. It is really strange that they

737
00:57:08.440 --> 00:57:16.599
specified not terrorists, no more suspects, you know, but I don't see

738
00:57:16.639 --> 00:57:21.079
the metaphor though I think I might
may have missed that, no problem,

739
00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:23.599
but you know, trying to understand
that this is not a terrorist attack,

740
00:57:23.679 --> 00:57:29.000
I mean, just logically one would
say it's not something that can usually be

741
00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:31.920
a shared group operation when you've only
got one sword. I mean, I

742
00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:36.199
imagine that a group of guys with
swords could do some damage. But again,

743
00:57:36.880 --> 00:57:39.679
this is just proof that, you
know, a psycho in any society

744
00:57:39.760 --> 00:57:44.360
is going to grab whatever accessible tool
they can to do damage when it's time.

745
00:57:44.800 --> 00:57:49.039
Clearly this is a mental health issue. Okay, But you know,

746
00:57:47.719 --> 00:57:52.679
I knew a guy back in my
early twenties that did a whole no maybe

747
00:57:53.199 --> 00:57:57.679
maybe late teens, we'll say late
teens. I knew a guy that did

748
00:57:57.719 --> 00:58:00.239
a lot of damage with a boat
release. Yeah, fair enough, fair

749
00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:04.880
enough, But this is a thirty
six year old man. And here's the

750
00:58:05.239 --> 00:58:09.239
funny part to me about this again, is that there is no mention of

751
00:58:10.239 --> 00:58:17.039
a you know, a motive.
There's no mention of mental health here.

752
00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:21.920
None of that is in this story, is it. Nobody said anything about

753
00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:24.559
mental health? And you know we
deplore violence in our streets. Okay,

754
00:58:24.599 --> 00:58:29.719
fine, general statement, thoughts and
prayers from the King, King Charles,

755
00:58:29.800 --> 00:58:35.960
you know, but here we are
a lot of things missing from this story

756
00:58:35.960 --> 00:58:39.599
that we would normally get from a
mass casualty event, a serious tragedy with

757
00:58:39.679 --> 00:58:45.599
a gun. Oh wait, in
England, you don't have lots of people

758
00:58:45.639 --> 00:58:50.880
carrying guns, do you no?
Huh. So what you're telling me is

759
00:58:50.920 --> 00:58:53.639
that somebody who is mentally unstable might
just go get any old thing they can

760
00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:57.800
get their hands on to go do
damage with. True, and some people

761
00:58:57.840 --> 00:59:00.599
would argue that they do less damage
with the soul, you know, just

762
00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:07.719
because of the difficulty level, then
they would with a semi automatic or you

763
00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:10.559
know, even not an automatic weapon, but a semi automatic weapon or a

764
00:59:10.599 --> 00:59:16.320
fairly useful repeating weapon that you can
fire with, you can certainly do a

765
00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:22.480
lot more damage, a lot quicker
and to a lot more people. I

766
00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:25.159
think you can't argue against that logic, But what do you do about it?

767
00:59:25.199 --> 00:59:30.480
And oh, by the way,
nobody mentioned mental health again nowhere in

768
00:59:30.559 --> 00:59:32.239
here. And this is a guy
swinging a sword, a thirty six year

769
00:59:32.239 --> 00:59:36.679
old man who, by the bye, not sure what happened. Also,

770
00:59:36.679 --> 00:59:39.639
at the beginning of the story,
they drove a car into a house somewhere.

771
00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:45.079
Nobody explains any of that. And
this is all based on police statements.

772
00:59:45.159 --> 00:59:49.159
And by the way, this isn't
Stars and Stripe's fault. They're republishing

773
00:59:49.239 --> 00:59:55.239
something from Ready the Associated Press.
Really, yeah, so what the hell?

774
00:59:57.360 --> 01:00:00.920
Anyway, you see the stuff missing
from the story and you almost wonder,

775
01:00:01.119 --> 01:00:06.400
oh, like, what is the
point of reporting this outside of this

776
01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:09.679
is a crazy action that took place, and certainly if it bleeds, it

777
01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:15.559
leads. I wonder if this was
all over British TV. But I don't

778
01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:19.320
know if if the UK has an
Alex Jones, But if they do,

779
01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:22.760
he's saying, they're coming for our
swords. They're coming for our swords,

780
01:00:22.920 --> 01:00:27.519
and we will not we will not
relent, we will never lay down,

781
01:00:27.559 --> 01:00:32.719
we will never surrender our swords.
Yeah, okay, fair enough, and

782
01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:37.360
now it's a good thing. I
don't have many listeners in England anymore because

783
01:00:37.400 --> 01:00:40.840
I just did it. Really,
we both just did bad accents and we

784
01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:45.679
did. But you know, Bob's
your uncle. Fair enough, all right?

785
01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:49.800
Anyways, Look, what do you
what do you have to say about

786
01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:52.559
the news rundown I gave you today? Joe? Altogether, I would have

787
01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:57.960
to say that I feel as though
I didn't report anything of consequence or educate

788
01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:02.159
anybody too much except to give him
an idea of a couple of things that

789
01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:08.079
are currently happening on the planet.
What are your thoughts? I'm just glad

790
01:01:08.119 --> 01:01:15.440
it wasn't all politics, my friend. Fair that seems to be all anyone

791
01:01:15.519 --> 01:01:20.599
wants to talk about here in Redneckville. And I would apologize for that,

792
01:01:20.639 --> 01:01:24.679
but I'm not going to because I
mean it. Oh. Look, as

793
01:01:24.760 --> 01:01:29.800
long as you know what you mean, Joe, I say, then it's

794
01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:32.519
all good. And I'll tell you
this. Joe has nothing to promote.

795
01:01:32.559 --> 01:01:36.559
He doesn't have a website, he
doesn't even have a social media thing going

796
01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:39.079
on. So guess what the Ocelly
effect is done. I gave you a

797
01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:45.639
news rundown for an hour regular Joe
gave you regular reactions, and I don't

798
01:01:45.639 --> 01:01:47.079
know if I taught you a damn
thing. But see if you can sort

799
01:01:47.119 --> 01:02:32.079
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800
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801
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802
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803
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804
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805
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806
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go ahead. Call it about the
JFA assassination. Right, well,

807
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what do you want to know?
Tony Baker's wild claim oswal girlfriends he knew?

808
01:03:15.800 --> 01:03:20.239
Ruby and Barrie answer weapons. Really, I imagine I could claim I

809
01:03:20.239 --> 01:03:23.360
have four wheels. It doesn't make
me a wagon. But okay, Bilby

810
01:03:23.480 --> 01:03:27.440
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811
01:03:27.440 --> 01:03:32.039
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812
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