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you believe April thirty okay, twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four, April
thirty, twenty twenty four, allegedly according to that thing we call a calendar,
And this is the O'Kelly effect, live on a teesday Tuesday. Anyway,
it is what it is, and we're gonna get to what it is
and what's going on. Of course, most of you will catch this further
on down the stream by your final slab of choice, et cetera, et
cetera, and get the podcast. But we are live at Ocelli dot com
and elsewhere. So for the next little while, approximately an hour, what
am I gonna do? I figure we'll do a little regular guy news with
a twist. Now, normally I bring on regular Joe and he comes on
and we talk about the news that he barely pays attention to it all.
And we go through a couple of pieces of analysis and maybe caught a word
here or there, a conversation here or there. What's the analysis from somebody
who really has decided not to give a crap about all of what is being
reported on those TV shows we call the news. I mean, you could
just as easily keep track of any fictional universe as you could the world around
you, and be more or less entertained depending on who you are. You
could be more or less informed depending on who you are. Why not know
the entire universe of the comic book genre or whatever the hell else Disney is
vomiting out onto its platforming stream at this point, right? Why not?
Or you could get to know what's happening in Gaza, etc. What's happening
in Murca two point zero? Are we ready for the civil war? What
about that presidential selection? Nope? I picked out a handful of things.
I'm gonna go over them, and I'm pretty sure regular Joe is not read
into the news at all today. So this would be great first impressions for
the stuff that are making impressions that are giving some people depressions. Okay,
the world around us twisting and turning, and do we care anymore? Is
apathy now? Apt? Is it the thing that you should embrace? Do
you care about the opinionated podcasts out there? Because mostly the alleged alternative media.
What do they do. Let's grab up some mainstream articles and stuff,
get mad about it, tell you they're lying to you, and then give
you my opinion. And I got other friends. I'm gonna bring them on
and we're all going to agree on our opinions. And you know why,
because that's the only thing you want to hear. And that's why you tuned
into their podcast was to hear your opinion echoed back to you. Well,
that ain't no Shelly, that ain't the effect, and that ain't regular Joe.
So here we go, Regular Joe. How you doing tonight? Man?
I'm hanging in there. I typically tell people I'm not bad for an
old guy, not bad for an old guy. And yet you're younger than
me, not too much enough, believe me. And clearly from your accent
you've lived elsewhere. I mean, I'm living in in you know Joja at
this point. But but for people that don't know regular Joe, he's a
Kentucky boy and apparently has a little bit of a reputation, might have a
bad temper sometimes just saying I was recently discussing that with you off there.
But anyway, we're not going to go there. We're going to go into
what's going on in the world around us. So, Joe, have you
been watching the news at all, reading about anything at all? Tell me,
not at all. And the only articles I've looked at are just stuff
about rock music and what classic rock stars are doing now right. Probably partially
spawned or partially spurred on, so to speak, by our conversation last week,
which was about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, And it makes
you start to consider things and remember, hey, maybe I liked a song
from that artist, or that's right, that artist is a valid pick for
the Hall of Fame or not, And maybe it made you go back into
some music history in your mind and replay the soundtrack of your life. Even
so, you got inspired to look at music. Plus you like to play
guitar. You love music anyway. But outside of that, I mean,
not really looking to interface with the world outside of your square block or not
really a block, but that little patch of land there near the Davy Crockett
National Forest. Right other guy Daniel Boot, Oh, Daniel Book. I
mixed them up. See this, almost almost everyone does, unless they're from
Kentucky or Tennessee. Okay, so, and you know what's funny is he
just told me I mixed it up. And now I'm sitting here trying to
remember which one did I mix for which Daniel Boone is that one? Yep?
Okay, cool? So there you go. See how much I paid
attention to exactly where that is. I knew it was one of those similar
type of folk figures, but I mixed them up. And that's about probably
the handle you have on the news. So how about we get to the
biggest things that are fueling right now the cable news networks. First, just
I'm not looking to cover it in great detail, but we can talk about
it a little. You want me to go there first? Or should we
go to the strangest story I found today? Ooh, let's save the strange
for last. Save the strange for last. That's not usually the way you
handle things when you're looking at the ladies in the bar, but I understand
that you might want to go that way. We'll save the strange for some
time towards the end. So let's begin with the most mundane then. How
about that? That works? Fine? So here we go. I have
notes because I had to sample a lot of stuff and realize we have wall
to wall coverage on your the left side of the pool, supposedly right according
to the political lines of the declination right, and what we have here is
the Trump trial. Do you know what's going on with the current Trump trial
that's being broadcast like all day long and being observed upon and analyzed and all
that. You know what's going on there, because it's been happening for nine
days. I haven't seen a single second of it, and I'm very proud
of that. Wish I could say the same thing about Game of Thrones.
Okay, I have been a single second, but I was aware that he
is on trial, and I'm pretty sure it's over his hush money. Right,
Okay, so you knew that much. And Game of Thrones, in
all fairness, I've never watched a single episode and have only seen commercials for
it, so I refuse anyhow, although I see it being referenced and somehow
know that that's the reference they're making in other media where they say, hey,
I am a completely conservative individual. So what I'm going to do is
watch story about incests that go on in a fictional universe with dragons, and
I'm thinking they're talking Game of Thrones anyway, maybe I'm wrong about that.
I know it's not Lord of the Rings though, Wait a minute, that
could be Game of Thrones or DC right or what or DC Oh yeah,
yeah that too, But what isn't that a Game of Thrones as well?
So back to one of the Thrones that might be more adequately sitting down in
Florida at mar A Lago. But then again, he's in New York currently
complaining that he can't go on the campaign trail, and that is the main
thrust of what the political side of the equation that sides with him in broadcast
media is saying, this is nothing but a democratic ploy to keep him off
the campaign trail. YadA YadA ya. But let's get into a couple of
details, because today McDougall slash Stormy Daniels actually a lawyer that worked for both
of them, and not that Aminati guy was on the stand today, so
we were getting a play by play a lot. Also, the judge fined
Trump nine grand for a bunch of violations allegedly of his gag order. You
know, a gag order. But every day when they conclude these proceedings,
which Trump was compelled to have to be at in New York. What happens
a badly miked appearance in front of all the cameras, and he comes out
and says, this is not fair. This is the most ridiculous switch on
ever. And he does it every day. Nine days of this crap now
going on over whether they killed the story. We've already heard from David Pecker
on the stand. Yes, that's the guy's name who runs what is it,
American Media Incorporated, the parent company of the National Inquirer, et cetera,
et cetera. So I'm reading you in on all this quickly, right,
Keith Davidson. Is that lawyer's name, by the way. Anyways,
So, and there's been this explanation, this back and forth. They're making
the jurors read text messages back and forth because Michael Cohen, who at the
time was one of Trump lawyers, he contends that, you know, he
was trying to arrange the hush money payment and this and that winds up taking
out a second mortgage on a house, didn't tell his wife about it,
but he was going to put up the money personally for Trump, so Trump
didn't have to put it up upfront, and then Trump would pay him back
later, and then, of course, you know, he learns exactly how
Trump likes to pay people back. But Michael Cohen was a true believer in
him until guess what, he had to go to jail for a while.
Now, he went to jail, a kosher prison, by the way,
where he got special kosher meals and all that kind of stuff, special treatment
while in white collar prison over this whole thing. And meanwhile they want to
say that this is a bunch of nonsense. And I got to tell you
something, Joe, here's the strange part. I agree with them. This
is a bunch of nonsense. This is a lot of huge waste of resources,
time, everything else to get at whether or not Trump mislabeled payments that
were made in order to shut down stories about some of the women that he
slept with while he was married, and indeed the porn star that I believe
he was banging right after his wife gave birth to one of their kids,
which leads to the funniest thing that happened all day on the news. I'm
watching the Fox News feed, and this guy from the show The Five,
one of those really abrasive, you know, really says the quiet part out
loud Fox Guys the show the five. He comes out and goes, well,
I'll tell you what, I bet you. Trump's really pissed off because
now he's forced to actually attend Baron's graduation, and he was looking to avoid
that. He would have had an excuse otherwise, but since he's in New
York, he can now attend Baron's graduation, and he's pissed because he's got
no good excuse to get out of it. I thought that was funny from
his allies. But anyway, comedy aside, this is a huge waste of
resources, huge waste of time. And at the end of the day,
he shuffled a little hush money. Maybe he bothered to pay anybody back in
order to kill two stories about chicksie was banging on the side during his presidential
selection run. And do I give a crap about this? Is there a
real violation of the law? Maybe? Is it a felony? Is it
worth this circus? No? And are they gonna actually prosecute him? I
don't see how, because on the face of it objectively doesn't look right.
And by the way, jury nullification, you only need one juror to basically
go net and it's gonna be nothing. And I think it's gonna amount to
a whole lot of nothing except this. He has a daily reach into multiple
platforms, can be heard all around the world because everybody's hanging on every event,
every testimony, and everybody waits at the end of the day for him
to come out and go this is unfair. This is a Democrat judge,
this is a Joe Biden trial. He's controlling this. You know, they
can't decide, by the way, whether Joe is a tremendous mastermind controlling and
wielding the entirety of the Justice Department as a weapon against people, or if
he is completely deranged, lost and forgot which diaper he's wearing. On a
daily basis, they can't make up their minds as to which Joe Biden they
want to attack here. And Trump is the guy falling asleep in court,
by the way, And I don't blame him there because he's not allowed to
talk, and he's falling asleep because court is boring unless you're actively doing something.
And all he can do is open up his mouth and cause more problems
for him, because whoops, that's the way. Actually most of us go
to court. You better keep your mouth shut and follow the judges directions.
Otherwise you're gonna get berated, held in contempt, jacked around, or ruled
against. That's the way most of us go to court. Now. Trump's
not used to that because normally, even when he totally screws people over and
winds up paying pennies on the dollar on settlements, he doesn't have to go
to court. This time he did, and ops one of the very few
family members that decided to show up in support, with solidarity gleaming from them
in the courtroom. Recently is in the nine days, I think we've had
two appearances from family members. Today, Eric Trump decided to check in and
make sure he was there to show support for dad. But now that I've
covered all that, Joe your thoughts, I think that you covered that quite
well. Actually, I mean, he's complaining that he can't go on the
campaign trail, but he is on the campaign trail, folks. If he's
on that TV every day, he's getting coverage that no other candidate's getting.
Right, He's getting the publicity, and there's no such thing as bad publicity.
We all know that. Unless that you know, we're idiots so this
is working to his advantage. There's no doubt about it. I mean,
because he's getting FaceTime with the whole country on TV all day long, you
know, So it's working to his advantage. So I mean, is it
a mastermind planned by the Democrats or is it a mastermind plan by his own
party or is it just a plan by the singular party system to make sure
that when you reinstall Trump this time it will be with good reason? After
all, he can make an argument that he's been the victim of the system.
I mean, even when this stuff goes to the Supreme Court, which
he fully loaded, he can complain about it all no matter which way this
thing turns out for him. And he's in the news every day, a
guaranteed press conference with multiple coverage and lots of interest at the end of every
day in court. So how do you beat that for free publicity? By
the way, you don't have to pay for any of it. And he'll
probably stiff his lawyers along the way. Last thing, by the way,
there's going to be another hearing on his gag order at nine am on Thursday.
As this circus continues, day by day, they stretch it out and
again I think it'll be much to do about nothing but that nine thousand dollars,
which would be a horrifying and crippling fine that you or me probably not
a big deal to him if he ever bothers to pay it. That's his
contempt fee. And they're gonna have a hearing about his gag orders and such
on Thursday at nine am and get right back to the court proceedings at ten
am, because he's on TV all day with this and gets the cherry on
top at the end, like I said, an unmolested statement if you will,
in front of reporters at the end of the day, and the only
thing that was logical to complain about is Jake Tapper on CNN bitching that.
Guess what, They didn't mike him real well at the end of every day.
They need to fix that, because Jake Tapper is sick of the past
nine days not having trump micd well, even though he speaks loudly enough to
be heard. They don't have great sound quality there, so I get that
part. As a matter of fact, I support Jake Tapper's complaint. We
should have great sound quality. I mean, if you're gonna give us this
nonsense at least make it up correctly, don't you. Yeah, I mean,
yeah, I agree fully. If you're gonna what's the term I usually
use for this, It's like when somebody says the word frige. You know,
I'm like, don't do that. If you're gonna use the F word,
go for the gold, you know, Yeah, the same. It's
the same principle. If you're gonna put on this show, good lord,
I've got surrounds down in my house and I don't have any money, so
well, and here's the thing. If you're gonna do something, at least
do it right. I mean, like, I totally don't understand freely,
completely free adult individuals who have lots of options turning around and somehow voluntarily buying
soft core porn. Look, if you're gonna buy it, get the real
thing, get it all the way, you know. And if you're gonna
send hundreds of dollars in, why not just rent the girl for an hour?
I mean, come on, you know what I'm saying. You're gonna
do it, make it a legitimate shot, you know. Yeah, So,
if you're gonna do something, do it right. I don't know,
there's a lot of ways to look at it, but they're and ultimately,
none of this is gonna stop him from winning. Let me put that in
quotation marks winning. This quotation marks again election because he's gonna be the president
the best I can tell. And I'm basing that on observing the people.
And when you observe the people, and if it's a representative government, then
he he other than his money and privilege. Yeah, it's about right,
Yeah, no, And that's exactly the guy that they want to elevate.
Because if you talk to anybody who is his supporter, right realistically, and
they're being honest, the fact is the only thing that separates them from him
is that money. And they think that because he's rich, he deserves it.
I mean, that's the thing, right, he deserves to be a
leader because he was a businessman and he knows his business. Now they only
think that because he's survived so long and he was on TV and he tells
you how rich he is. Truthfully, they have no concept of what it's
like to, you know, be able to absorb hundreds of millions of dollars
of fines and everything else, right, right, And these court cases against
him, I'm telling you, they're all gonna fall on appeal evaporate over time,
whether it's this Georgia case with all this other mess, or this current
circus in New York. And again, none of it will stop him from
ascending to the presidency if that is indeed the plan, and I will be
shocked if that is not the twenty twenty fourth plan. So now that we've
tackled the Trump thing, we can drop him one more thing though. On
the ironic side of this, I just watched a documentary today. Well,
sorry about that, starring Stormy and Daniels Nice. What was it called that.
I'm looking for it now because I can't remember the name of it nor
which streaming service I watched it on. She tells the whole deal, I
mean, how she was afraid for her life because she was suing the president
and people were threatening to kill her and follow her around in traffic and telling
her that they knew her daughter's name and mm hmm yeah, and it was
it was it was, uh, you know, I kind of respect her,
I mean, because she seems quite forward and honest to me. It
seems that way, But you know, at the end of the day,
I gotta be honest with you. We have a celebrity driven society, right
where one way or another, if you have a level of fame, or
you have an alleged level of financial security, and people just make exceptions.
You're allowed to behave a certain way, it's okay. And so in that
way, I gotta tell you, I don't blame the people that support him,
that support her. She's you know, hey, she got paid.
She's a celebrity too. I mean a different kind of celebrity than Trump,
but still she's a celebrity. I guarantee you she had plenty of fans before
we heard her name connected to Trump. Uh, you know, just saying,
all right, I don't know why I didn't remember this. I just
found it. It's a Peacock original and it's called Stormy, and here you
go. It was entertaining and somewhat informative. I mean, she even tells
about the sexual encounter. She tells that it was not a secret everyone knew
and you know, and said that she kept her mouth shut until he did
not right. Well, look, and here's the thing I don't even care
about. Do you care? That's the thing? Love this guy or hate
this guy? Does anybody actually care? I mean of course, of course
they don't. They cared when Clinton did it, but they don't care that
he's doing it right. And meanwhile, he was just grabbing the intern that
he happened to have access to. Did she go over the whole mushroom shape
thing in that documentary? Did she know? I didn't see her mentioned that.
However, I will loosely quote her about the experience. She said that
he was telling her that he was going to get her on Celebrity Apprentice and
took her upstairs to his room, and he left the room. And when
she claims that as soon as he came out, he cornered her and began
humping her. She said, but it was not rape because I did not
say no. But it was shocking. Yeah. Look, and there's no
rape allegation here right now, and I didn't allege that at all. She
says that it was consensual because she did not say no. Well, and
there you have it. And here's the thing. I don't care what he
does. Is he there you go? It does not bother me so long
as he's not victimizing somebody. Why do I care? You know what I
mean? And if his wife wants to live with it, that's her business
and his business, and who cares? What's that got to do with policy?
And of course I'm using these words loosely because I think policies it's just
words. They don't mean it. Well, you know, and he just
makes, you know, bloviating declarations. I mean, do you believe for
a second that Donald Trump wrote any of his policies, executive orders, laws?
I mean, you think he had any hand in creating any of that.
No. Not only do I not believe that he wrote any of it,
I don't believe he read any of it either. No, fine,
fair enough, And you know what, I'm also not bothered by that.
Indeed, you know, some of these people on the left were shocked today
talking about well, look, you know, there was actually a point at
which Sarah Huncaby Sanders is handling some of this hush money stuff, and I'm
like, well, of course she's his pr person. Now, I know,
we shouldn't be having government employees dealing with his scandals. He should take
care of that, you know, during his personal time, with his personal
assets. But the way Trump saw it, as soon as he becomes president,
he owns everything, just like the documents. Anyway, that's a story
for another day. But I want to drop Trump because, eh, I'm
just sick and tired of talking about him, and I know I'm going to
have to a bunch more in the next six months. Yeah, yeah,
I don't discuss him with anyone anymore because it's extremely frustrating. Right, It's
extremely frustrating to me to talk politics with anyone who is actually politically minded because
they've been fooled. So there's no common ground for me to start a conversation
with them politically because I know that they bought it, and as soon as
they have an intense emotional reaction, you know one thing for sure, you're
going to get lots of frustration, obfuscation, and problems trying to communicate with
him. And the weird thing is people judge you for this and start to
think of everything, like judge everything about you based on your political orientation now,
which is something that didn't used to be. It wasn't like, oh,
I don't want you playing with that kid in the neighborhood because his parents
are Republicans or you know, his parents are Democrats. Yeah, you can't
play with those kids, you know, It's not like that. You can't
play with them. Lib Dard's yeah, right, exactly. So let's move
on to some stuff that actually does affect us directly and something that you know,
I mean, we're not going to have any say in this anyway.
He's going to be installed as president, I'm pretty sure, unless they can
come up with a new shocker. And oh, by the way, just
like we talked about RFK Junior on Friday, I'm still about as impressed as
I was to begin with, although he's gotten himself on a couple of ballots
since then, but he's not going to get all fifty states ballid access,
so even theoretically he can't possibly win the selection. So no, I have
a couple of possibilities, a couple of directions, and I'll let you choose
one to go in because on these I want to read from a couple of
articles, which, by the way, there's more than one article out there
about this, but I picked the cream of the crop best I could to
handle each of these issues. So let's give it to you. In short,
we have On the one hand, I'll just give you the headline we
live in the age of vulture capitalism, and vulture capitalism is in quotes,
the next one, the Twinkie Defense, what we know about diet and crime?
Okay? And then in Stars and Stripes of all Places Okay, I'm
not kidding, the military publication online version of course, sword wielding man attacks
passerby in London, killing a fourteen year old boy and injuring four others.
So these are the three stories that I have, and I'd like you to
pick one so we can begin to pick it apart a little. Let's go
with twinkies. Twinkies, why not? Now you've heard of the twinkie defense,
I imagine, have you, Joe? Uh no? Ah? Okay,
so then this is going to be really fresh stuff to you, even
though this is a very old concept. So let's get to it. I'm
not gonna do the key takeaways part. Maybe I should nah forget the key.
Yeah, we'll do the key takeaways at the top of the article.
And by the way, all of this stuff is going to be in the
in the notes with the podcast. But also I'm gonna drop some of these
links in the chatroom at ochelli dot com and you can always roll it back
by date and take a listen. So remember again, it's April thirty,
as I speak, and if you want to roll back in the o'ceelly chat
room, then you'll see me dropping links to some of these things that I'm
going to read from and discuss. So from big sink dot com. Okay,
here we go the article. Let's see it has a listen option on
it, key takeaways at the top. Like I said, uh, let's
see, I was looking for the author's name. Oh, there we go,
Ross Pomeroy. Anyways, in nineteen seventy eight, Dan White murdered San
Francisco City supervisor Harvey Milk and Mayor George Moscone. Of this, there was
no doubt. White had turned himself in then tearfully and remorsefully confessed to shooting
each of the men his former colleagues multiple times. At White's nineteen seventy nine
trial, the only question was how stiff his penalty would be. Now,
I'm gonna pause from the article and remind you that, of course, Harvey
Milk, all right, was the outwardly gay mayor of San Francisco, and
Mayor George Moscone was also connected to Harvey Milk, and this guy, yeah,
indeed, assassinated Harvey Milk. I think it was. Let's see Sean
Penn, who starred in a movie about milk. It might have been called
milk directly. Anyways, let's get back to the article. White's lawyers ran
a skillful defense during the court proceedings. They claimed that their client's mental cape
capacity was diminished by stress and severe depression. His heinous actions were not fully
within his conscious control. Thus a first degree murder charge, punishable with twenty
five years to life in prison was too harsh. A sentence pause from the
article. Do remember that in the early nineteen seventies, the death penalty was
abolished in California. Actually, a moratorium was put on it, and they
decided. Even Charles Manson had his death penalty commuted, so did Sir Anne
Surhan okay, who still remains in prison. Anyways. Manson died a few
years ago, but Sir Han's still there. Anyway, back to the article.
During the trial, the defense team questioned the psychiatrist, doctor Martin Blinder.
He told them that White was a fitness enthusiast who prided himself on eating
right and staying healthy. However, during depressive episodes, White would enter into
a quote vicious circle end quote of junk food consumption whenever he felt things were
not going right, he would abandon his usual program of exercise and good nutrition
and start gorging himself on junk foods Twinkies, Coca Cola. Blinder testified.
Blinder subsequently stated, quote, there is a substantial body of evidence that ends
susceptible individuals. Large quantities of what we call junk food, high sugar content,
food with lots of preservatives, can precipitate anti social and even violent behavior.
There have been some studies, for example, where they have taken so
called career minded criminals and taken them off all their junk food and put them
on milk and meat and potatoes, and their criminal records immediately evaporate. The
press went wild, dubbing the lawyer's tactic the quote twinkie defense. Were they
try to blame their client's double murder on junk food question mark the twinkie defense.
In actuality, White's legal team only mentioned his unhealthy venders as a sign
of his depression, not the cause of it. Still, the twinkie defense
narrative is stuck, and it might have paid off. White was only convicted
of manslaughter and sentenced to seven years in prison. In a paper recently published
in the International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health, a multidisciplinary team of
researchers referenced the quote twinkie defense end quote. In the decades since Dan White's
trial, scientists have explored the relationship between nutrition and crime. They found intriguing
signs that the two are linked. Now, this article goes on further,
but I'm not going to read the whole thing, and I'm going to tell
you this. If you consider that the general quality of the food for people
that live in food deserts in inner city areas, a lot of them are
eating crap, And gee, I wonder why the violent crime is so high
up. If you take a look at the dietary consumption, your average as
sociopath, your average career criminal does not eat a healthy diet. They never
have. Now, is this correlation or is this causation? There's a big
consideration. But I'm telling you now there's something to this. Indeed, I
even took notes with a more than one person when of all people, John
Barber pointed out to me that the individuals that we know personally who have sweet
tooth issues right where they're very susceptible to they seem to always have to have
a need to take in some junks, some sugar, especially candy as adults,
and they have a need for like a little bit of a constant flow.
It may not be every single day or several times a day, but
at some point or other they have kind of a requirement where taking in junk,
a lot of high sugar items, things like this, garbage food.
Well, it's usually because they've suffered some sort of trauma. You put these
things together, the traumatic sugar response, where people consume sugar when generally they've
had bad childhoods. That's the way John Barber put it to me, people
with bad childhoods often really get into their candy bars and stuff as adults.
But put that aside, that's just an observation that seems to be proving itself
out as I examine anybody I get to know. But here's the weird thing.
Think about this. The people that are career criminals, the people that
are constantly involved in the violent, nonsensical, you know, pressurized situations.
They live in food deserts, they crap food. They are on you know,
low incomes, which basically makes it impossible for someone to afford organic stuff
for someone to afford good food, clean food. And you know what,
I wonder, if it is just that simple, if people could afford to
eat better, and you are what you eat, maybe you wouldn't be such
a junk food person if you didn't have junk food to eat, because that
wasn't your only damn option. What are your thoughts on this, Joe,
Well, you made me want sweets, and now I'm chewing on a piece
of taffy. Okay, fair enough, and quite honestly I want a piece
of chocolate right now as I'm talking to you. But still think about that
though, if you consider name me seriously, If you examine the life of
any career criminal, any severe serialized criminal, whether it be a murderer or
a rapist, an arsonist, you know, some kind of thief that's constantly
doing whatever they're doing, take note, they're never healthy eaters. The people
that are engaged in that almost seemingly addicted to crime and violence and abusing trespassing
upon others and their property. Take note, they're never people that have good
diets. Have you ever noticed this? Well, no, I have it,
But now that you mention it, you remind me of our first subject
of the night. Yeah, okay, Trump loves fast food. See,
I didn't want to go back to Trump. I didn't even want to relate
it to I really wanted to think about poor people. Now, Trump by
choice eats his KFC. And you know, you see what he orders with
the big husky football players when they're all coming to the White House. Right,
what was it the three hundred Big Macs or whatever, huge amount of
fast food. But look, forget about his fast food. But consider it
anyway, and forget about Trump. Let's go to poor people. What do
they eat? Take a look at the dietary intake of poor people when they're
struggling. Sometimes they don't have enough to eat. But when they do have
enough to eat, it's usually the cheapest, lowest priced crap possible. Lots
of high fructose corn syrup, lots of sugars, lots of fillers, lots
of garbage, junk food, creating a junk situation. And again I remember
being told as a child, you are what you eat. It definitely,
but think about it. People that say they're depressed, Yes, in the
in the Twinkie defense trial, Uh, it's a result right where he goes
to the junk food as a result of his depression. And you've heard that
before. I mean, whether it's a woman who says, I gotta eat
a whole thing of ice cream when I'm depressed or when I have my period
or whatever, or it's a dude who says, you know what, when
I feel down a lot of times, I gotta go consume this or that.
And oh, by the bye, what is a lot of the alcohol
that people intake? Sugar? So is sugar sugary substance, junk food,
things that are low in nutrition but high in sugar content and filler garbage content.
Is this both causation and correlation where if you're you know, in a
bad situation, you reach for that stuff, but also you create worse situations
by constantly consuming it. And obviously, if that's the chemistry you're putting into
your chemistry set you call your body, it's going to affect you. So
it could be causation and correlation where it's a vicious cycle. What do you
think of that? It could very well be you know, you are what
you eat. They say, so you eat a bunch of swine, or
eat a bunch of sugar, a bunch of junk and you're probably going to
be a swineful junkie person. There you go. I mean, I don't
know why this is a difficult thing for people to wrap their minds around.
Of course, you know, everybody blames one hundred things. And you know,
Kim was having a debate online with somebody about, gee, what do
we do with these kids who are violating curfew? Well, we'll put the
parents in prison, you know, that's the response. Let's bring more cops
in, Let's bring more of the system in. And I know that's a
lot of people's responses. And hey, if we can't all the kids through
the juvenile system hard enough, let's put their parents in the court system too.
YadA YadA, YadA. But consider again, if all they're fed is
crap, and all they're surrounded by is crap, what do you expect them
to act like or value crap? Nothing? So here we go. All
I'm saying is maybe the answers are way simpler than people want to make them.
And it's not about the system that you know is meant to incarcerate,
punish, and indeed penalize us all. But maybe it is about the system
that is feeding us crap. What do you think? It could very well
be? It is absolutely a possibility because you know, that brain needs fuel.
And if you know, if you've got a car and you put fuel
in it that's drugged or has too much water in it, then your car
is not going to run right. So if you're putting you know, junk
fuel in you, that's what your brain's run on. There you have it.
So anyway, let's consider the rest of the you know, the rest
of the landscape out there, if you will, maybe we should go with
Since we handled the twinkie defense, we got vulture capitalism or we got the
sword wielding man one way or the other. I think we'll save the sword
wielding man for the end and go with vulture capitalism. What do you think?
Okay? And I find this phrase interesting and have not read the article,
so I just grabbed this based on the phrase because I think it's a
perfect way to look at it. What kind of system are we living in
where indeed the poor get poor, the rich stay rich and if you're privileged,
you get away with anything you want. Okay, really, and that's
the way the world works. Oh good, that reminds me of one of
those rock and roll articles I read today. The very heading said Roger Waters
was talking about is Us and Them tour and his quote was, it's about
the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. M Gee, I wonder
why somebody would create art with that in their mind. Oh, because they're
thinking about things as opposed to just, you know, being forced into reactionary
politics and such. But look, I don't take too seriously what these guys
have to say, but still musicians occasionally cool that He related it to that
old Pink Floyd song Us and Them, you know, and he said,
that's that's what he was talking about. There you go, And look,
philosophy often can come from rock and roll, so keep that in mind as
we go. This article is under the current Affairs section on Okay, Current
affairs dot org. Excuse me, and we live. We live in the
age of quote vulture capitalism. The headline is just striking to me. I
love it, but did not read this article. So let's discover together what
vulture capitalism is great, okay. Grace Blakely is one of the left's leading
economic thinkers. In her new book, Vulture Capitalism, Blakely explains how capitalism
really works and gives a crucial primer on the modern economy. She joins Today
to explain why conceiving of free markets and quotes and quote government planning end quotes
as opposites is highly misleading because one neoliberal, because our neoliberal quote market based
end quote economy involves many deep ties between the state and corporations. Instead of
thinking of quote capitalism end quote and quote socialism end quote as a spectrum that
runs from markets to governments, Blakely says we should focus our analysis on who
owns and controls production and who gets the benefits. The conversation originally appeared on
the Current Affairs podcast. So this is a conversation Joe pulling away from the
article, and I think I'm going to read a few pieces of the back
and forth and get your take on it. If you don't mind, what
do you say? Hey, that sounds good to me, okay. Nathan
J. Robinson asks Blakely this, when I describe you to people, Grace
Blakely, I describe you as quote a scary, smart end quote. You
know everything about the global economy, and you've read everything. This new book,
Vulture Capitalism contains mountains of research explains the way the entire global economy works
and also provides a compelling alternative vision of how the entire economy could be structured.
That's what you'll get when you pick up Vulture Capitalism by Grace Blakely.
Grace says, what an intro, what a description of the book. I'm
so glad that you enjoyed it. Back to Robinson, Yes, it's phenomenal.
I really do mean that. There's so much in the book, and
so I was trying to think of what I can start with that is simple
and goes to the core of it. So we have this popular conception that
is everywhere there's something called the quote state end quote, and there's something called
the quote market end quote. Quote capitalism end quote is when the market makes
decisions. People choose what to buy in the market, and that's what determines
what happens in the economy. The quote state end quote is the other thing.
Quote socialism end quote is when the state owns everything and does the planning.
This binary state slash market capitalism slash central planning is very common, and
I think one of the core things you're trying to do is blow this apart.
Blakely yes, just completely blow it apart. It's just wrong. The
reason that I started thinking that this was something that I needed to write at
the beginning of the Pandemic twenty nineteen. There had been the recent loss of
the general election by the Labor Party. I was doing a bunch of interviews
on TV during the pandemic, and all the kinds of new readers and interviewers
were saying, quote, Jeremy Corbin lost the election, but ultimately you got
what you wanted because we have the state spending loads of money and that socialism.
We didn't even need Jeremy Corbin to win the election because you've got socialism
and it's being delivered by Conservative Party. I just found it so staggering every
time I was confronted with this argument, and it led me to realize that
the vast majority of people, even educated people who were asking these questions,
just don't know the difference between capitalism and socialism and have this flawed understanding of
what capitalism actually is. It comes from the divide that we've had in our
politics between social democracy and neoliberalism, between Frederick von Heike, who was the
darling of the neoliberals, and John Maydard Keynes the two heroes or villains,
depending on which side you're on of our economic and political debate for most of
the twentieth century. Keene said, quote, we need a state to tame
the irrationalities of the market. We need government intervention, and we need the
public sector to invest end quote, even if in the middle of a crisis,
and just to give them jobs to create income and kind of boost economic
growth. And then how it comes in and says this kind of planning by
the state is the source of all tyranny and creates inefficiencies that undermine the functioning
of the market. We need less state, a different kind of state that
does less stuff. Basically, that is the kind of argument that won the
nineteen eighties and saw neoliberals like Thatcher, Reagan, and Pinochet in Chile come
to power. Everywhere we're told that they shrunk the state, but they didn't
Robinson. Even leftists say they did. Blakey exactly. We get called out
here because we're also signed up to this kind of dictamony. We often say
things like they quote deregulated end quote and reduced public spending and all that sort
of stuff. And while in some cases that is true, it's very misleading
because with the type of regulation that we have, there wasn't less regulation after
the neoliberal shift. There was actually often more. It required huge amounts of
regulation to create markets where no markets existed before, for example in healthcare,
in the area of the public sector. Now I'm going to stop, and
here we go reframing history a bit. You have to consider that state intervention,
the markets, the economy, all of these fictional constructs are completely manipulated
and have real world effects. But people have this idea that a guy like
Reagan removed all of this stuff. He was actually almost like what a libertarian
is, less government, smaller government, But the government didn't in actuality get
smaller. The influence on business, the manipulations of the markets, the money
itself, everything has only increased over time, which is very anti capitalist.
And in truth, is there even a capitalist system that exists at this point
without some sort of socialistic or almost communistic aspects in it? Do we not
have complete blends all these purists out there, who are you know, Kingsian
economic people or the other way around. It's irrelevant. The system in and
of itself has become so all encompassing that to try and say that there's any
sort of independence available for you to you know, begin to occupy as an
individual or as a group of individuals, it's almost impossible now and that's the
way things have gone. So what are your thoughts on this? I know
it's a little more a little more complex than the earlier issue, and don't
worry, we're going to simplify it before we're done. But what are your
thoughts about this, this idea that you know, these people that were supposed
to be heroes of smaller government, greater freedom for other people, the truth
is they actually made it worse. And it's not really even their fault,
because that is the inertia, if you will, of the entirety of the
system. The more the system and government gets involved in private business, the
more that there is no such thing as private business, the more that there
is no such thing as upward mobility. Here we are. You know,
people are afraid of socialism, but it's built into everything already, and neoliberalism
is really how a lot of this stuff needs to be described as opposed to
conservative economic policy, because the reality is the government never gets uninvolved once it's
involved in things so what you thought. It actually reminded me of Jay Krishna
Murdy listening to the article there. He always talked about how it didn't matter
what you called your government, because all you're really doing is identifying with something
that's larger than you. And it doesn't really matter what you call it.
Call it socialism, call it communism, call it capitalism. It's basically all
the same thing. So you know, it's kind of how the lady put
it to right, Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, And christ Namurdy said
that a long long time ago. You're just identifying with the larger because you
feel small, And I'm quite honestly, all of the isms amount to basically
ending up in the same basket. I mean again, it's much like the
whole I'm on the left, I'm on the right, I'm a Republican,
I'm a Democrat. At the end of the day, all you are is
cheerleading for one or other of the corporate entities that are all connected to the
same thing. You know, even when you're cheering for your favorite NFL team,
it is the NFL that benefits in total and redistributes the wealth amongst themselves.
Anyway, after you spend your money It's just like watching the WWE formerly
the WWF, and you can root for the good guys, the bad guys,
or the guys who have the best masks or face paint you like whatever,
or the best finish and move always like Superfly Jimmy Snooka for that.
He was always going off of those top ropes. Oh yeah, but a
horrible human being behind the scenes. Superfly Jimmy snook a abusive, crazy,
cocaine adduled, but hell of an interesting entertainer, you know about. And
he could have been a politician, couldn't he. Well, that's what I
was about to say. And you were talking about the isms, and I
want to mention my two least favorite isms. I actually despise them. Sure,
those two isms are nationalism and patriotism. Uh again, I have to
refer to Christiana Murty again on that he referred to them as a form of
stupidity. M fair enough, yeah, so, but the lady seemed to
be spot on, but in a way that she believes in the system.
So it reminded me of Christiana Murty, who did not. But they were
saying the same thing. Fair enough, but look, she's part of the
evil left. Joe so you can't listen to her, you know that,
right, You gotta shut him down early and right away. Looked they even
remotely identify her as being on the left. That's like the church lady going
satan. You know, it's exactly that anymore. It's just it's all the
devil if it ain't part of your program, right, yeah, that's exactly
right. Yeah, And around here home, man, anything that's outside the
right wing norm is the devil. Right, well, that's what I was
going for. So let's go to something that is a little more in the
right wing norm, but not necessarily because this story isn't right wing norm,
but odd place for it to put it, even though it's appeared in several
publications Stars and Stripes. Now, for those of you who don't know what
Stars and Stripes is, it's a military Stars and Stripes military publication. It
used to be like the army newspaper, you know, and nowadays it survives
online. I don't know if people subscribe anymore. But I have one of
the weirdest stories I've ever seen pop up on Stars and Stripes, and I
think I got this out of JP Satilli's rundown because it was just one of
those weird random things he threw in toward the end. But I got to
tell you I think that there is a great metaphor in this story, and
I'm not gonna I'm not going to reveal it to you the listener. I
want you to figure out the metaphor so you can play the home version of
the Ocelli effect. How's that sound? And are you ready for this one?
Joe, I'm ready? You say? This is from JP. It
was on the Rundown. He didn't write this, no, but it was.
When he does the rundown. You know, you get a bunch of
news stories that come together to make you know, a narrative. Well,
anyway, even if you read his rundown today, you would not know what
the hell to make of this story. I'm telling you the metaphor. You
got to figure out what I'm thinking the metaphor is if you want to identify
it, and by the way, email it to me if you think you
know what grand societal metaphor I think this represents. If you want to play
this home game with me. If you don't, don't, and otherwise,
you know, look, just ignore what I'm saying, like most people do.
Anyway. Stars and Stripes, okay, and this is Sylvia. I'm
not sure how to say the name because it's like hui, so I guess
it's high or who I all right, and it says it came from the
Associated Press, but they republished it today in Stars and Stripes April thirtieth.
All right, London, here we go. A man wielding a sword attacked
members of the public and police officers in a northeast London suburb Tuesday, killing
a fourteen year old boy and injuring four other people. British authorities said a
thirty six year old man was subdued with a stun gun and arrested on suspicion
of murder in a residential area near a Hanault subway station. Police said the
violence wasn't being treated as terror related or targeted attack. Hang on a second,
So you have to identify that a lunatic whipping a sword around in public.
He he's not a terrorist. Weird that you even need to say that.
Anyway, Let's go back to the story. Police said that the fourteen
year old died at a hospital from his injuries. Two police officers were hospitalized
for stab wounds. Two other people were also injured. Chief supped Supt.
I'm not sure what that's short for, but you know, some sort of
police official Stuart Bell described the incident as quote truly horrific end quote quote I
cannot even begin to imagine how those affected must be feeling. End quote,
he said outside the homes in East London where the attack happened. The Metropolitan
Police said they were called early Tuesday to reports of a vehicle being driven into
a house in a residential street and people being stabbed. Witness videos broadcast on
British media showed a man in a yellow hoodie holding a long sword or knife
walking near houses in the area. One video showed police officers yelling quote drop
the sword end quote and quote lock your doors end quote as they chased the
suspect, who was seen climbing over fences and into people's gardens. Deputy Assistant
Commissioner aide adol Adaken said police don't believe there was a threat to the wider
community. Quote we are not looking for more suspects end quote, he said.
Quote the incident does not appear to be terrorists related end quote. Prime
Minister Rishi Sunak said the incident was quote shocking end quote, adding quote such
violence has no place in our streets end quote. King Charles the Third said
his thoughts and prayers were with the family of the young victim, and he
saluted the courage of emergency workers. Buckingham Palace said, Transport for London said
the Hanault station was closed because of a police investigation in the area. And
yeah, that's from Stars and Stripes today. So, Joe, without any
further commentary from me outside of that one, I had to throw in there,
like you gotta tell us this is not a terrorist attack, like seriously,
but anyway, skip that, because all I can think of is if
it was a terrorist attack, it might be like those old Bugs Bunny cartoons
where the guy was running around going hassan shop. But since it wasn't that
okay in our cartoon world, Joe, any thoughts. Pretty tragic that a
fourteen year old had to die by sword in twenty twenty four number one,
So condolences to his family or her family. Was it fourteen year old?
Male or female? I can't remember, you know, I don't recall if
it said male or female either. But let's take a look. Let me
roll it back. But I think they just said fourteen year old, because
you don't usually identify miners, I think so, so that's probably why I
don't remember. But yeah, it's a pretty tragic A family lost a young
member. And it's really strange that again that you've mentioned it twice already,
but I've got to hit on it again. It is really strange that they
specified not terrorists, no more suspects, you know, but I don't see
the metaphor though I think I might may have missed that, no problem,
but you know, trying to understand that this is not a terrorist attack,
I mean, just logically one would say it's not something that can usually be
a shared group operation when you've only got one sword. I mean, I
imagine that a group of guys with swords could do some damage. But again,
this is just proof that, you know, a psycho in any society
is going to grab whatever accessible tool they can to do damage when it's time.
Clearly this is a mental health issue. Okay, But you know,
I knew a guy back in my early twenties that did a whole no maybe
maybe late teens, we'll say late teens. I knew a guy that did
a lot of damage with a boat release. Yeah, fair enough, fair
enough, But this is a thirty six year old man. And here's the
funny part to me about this again, is that there is no mention of
a you know, a motive. There's no mention of mental health here.
None of that is in this story, is it. Nobody said anything about
mental health? And you know we deplore violence in our streets. Okay,
fine, general statement, thoughts and prayers from the King, King Charles,
you know, but here we are a lot of things missing from this story
that we would normally get from a mass casualty event, a serious tragedy with
a gun. Oh wait, in England, you don't have lots of people
carrying guns, do you no? Huh. So what you're telling me is
that somebody who is mentally unstable might just go get any old thing they can
get their hands on to go do damage with. True, and some people
would argue that they do less damage with the soul, you know, just
because of the difficulty level, then they would with a semi automatic or you
know, even not an automatic weapon, but a semi automatic weapon or a
fairly useful repeating weapon that you can fire with, you can certainly do a
lot more damage, a lot quicker and to a lot more people. I
think you can't argue against that logic, But what do you do about it?
And oh, by the way, nobody mentioned mental health again nowhere in
here. And this is a guy swinging a sword, a thirty six year
old man who, by the bye, not sure what happened. Also,
at the beginning of the story, they drove a car into a house somewhere.
Nobody explains any of that. And this is all based on police statements.
And by the way, this isn't Stars and Stripe's fault. They're republishing
something from Ready the Associated Press. Really, yeah, so what the hell?
Anyway, you see the stuff missing from the story and you almost wonder,
oh, like, what is the point of reporting this outside of this
is a crazy action that took place, and certainly if it bleeds, it
leads. I wonder if this was all over British TV. But I don't
know if if the UK has an Alex Jones, But if they do,
he's saying, they're coming for our swords. They're coming for our swords,
and we will not we will not relent, we will never lay down,
we will never surrender our swords. Yeah, okay, fair enough, and
now it's a good thing. I don't have many listeners in England anymore because
I just did it. Really, we both just did bad accents and we
did. But you know, Bob's your uncle. Fair enough, all right?
Anyways, Look, what do you what do you have to say about
the news rundown I gave you today? Joe? Altogether, I would have
to say that I feel as though I didn't report anything of consequence or educate
anybody too much except to give him an idea of a couple of things that
are currently happening on the planet. What are your thoughts? I'm just glad
it wasn't all politics, my friend. Fair that seems to be all anyone
wants to talk about here in Redneckville. And I would apologize for that,
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